1 00:00:28,399 --> 00:00:34,840 Welcome to the Great Detectives of Old Time Radio from Boise, Idaho. This 2 00:00:35,119 --> 00:00:38,759 is your host, Adam Graham. If you have a comment, email it 3 00:00:38,799 --> 00:00:44,200 to me Box thirteen at Great Detectives dot net. Follow us on Twitter at 4 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:49,679 Radio Detectives, and check us out on Instagram, Instagram, dot com, 5 00:00:49,759 --> 00:00:55,280 slash Great Detectives. If you're enjoying the podcast, please follow us using your 6 00:00:55,439 --> 00:01:00,000 favorite podcast software. Today's program is brought you in part by the financial support 7 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,759 of our listeners. You can support the show on a one time basis by 8 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:10,000 mailing a donation to Adam Graham peelbox one five nine one three. That's peel 9 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:15,000 Box one five nine thirteen, Boise, Idaho eight three seven one five, 10 00:01:15,599 --> 00:01:19,480 And you can also become one of our ongoing Patreon supporters for as little lass 11 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:26,079 two dollars per month at Patreon dot Great Detectives dot net. Well, now 12 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:30,200 it's time for this week's episode of Dragnet. The original air date March second, 13 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:45,439 nineteen fifty and the title is The Big Kill. The story you were 14 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:51,319 about to hear is true, only the names have been changed to protect the 15 00:01:51,400 --> 00:02:07,439 innocent. You're a detective sergeant. You're assigned to homicide detail. A police 16 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:12,159 officer is shut down on the front steps of his home. There's no apparent 17 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,879 motive for the shooting. The assailant escapes in a blue sedan. Your job 18 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:31,360 get him. Dragnet the document a drama of an actual crime. For the 19 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:36,199 next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles Police Department, you will 20 00:02:36,199 --> 00:02:38,800 travel step by step on the side of the law through an actual case from 21 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:45,759 official police files, from beginning to end, from crime to punishment. Dragnet 22 00:02:45,879 --> 00:02:52,000 is the story of your police force. In action. Was Sunday, May 23 00:02:52,039 --> 00:02:54,560 twenty third, was warm in Los Angeles. We're working a day watch out 24 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:59,240 a homicide. My partner's Ben Romero. The boss is Thad Brown, Chief 25 00:02:59,319 --> 00:03:02,800 detective names Friday. I was off duty, reporting back in on an emergency 26 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,639 call. It was five minutes past three am when I got the room forty 27 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:13,960 two homicide. Hi Joe, Hi, how is he? He's dead? 28 00:03:15,879 --> 00:03:17,520 Went kind of fast. I just got to call a couple of minutes ago. 29 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,199 He died and went to the hospital. Friday, Ben, let's go 30 00:03:21,479 --> 00:03:28,960 Dad Brown's office. Right? How did it happen? Skibber, I haven't 31 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,280 got all of the tails. Guy who's a shotgun point blank. Filmore didn't 32 00:03:31,319 --> 00:03:36,199 have a chance. See the detectives always he goo crime lab. Yeah, 33 00:03:36,319 --> 00:03:42,039 not there not alright, Chief Ronnigan on the hall of Captain White Intelligence all 34 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,240 us. He said to have you wait, Okay, we'll be inside. 35 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:49,199 Right. You wanna fill us in skipper Nah, not much to tell film. 36 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,400 I was working the day watch at a robbery. Left work at six 37 00:03:52,439 --> 00:03:54,960 o'clock last night, drove home. Yeah, he had dinner, then he 38 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,879 and his wife went to a show. He got home about eleven thirty, 39 00:03:58,919 --> 00:04:01,560 went to bed. Yeah. About one thirty this morning, the front doorbell 40 00:04:01,639 --> 00:04:04,919 rang and Philmore answered it. His wife said she heard him open the door 41 00:04:05,039 --> 00:04:09,199 and there was a gun shot. She ran out the front door in time 42 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,199 to see a guy jump in a car and drive away. Fillmore was lying 43 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,079 on a porch, chest ripped open. You see the guy used the shotgun? 44 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,920 Yeah. No, I had the information on the car you blew, 45 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,040 said Dan. That's all the wife could tell us. She didn't get the 46 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:25,519 license number. Said it looked like a new model car. No physical evidence. 47 00:04:25,519 --> 00:04:29,839 I haven't found anything yet. Here's for both. Chief Elien. You 48 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,199 brief Friday in right now. Told him much as I know any idea. 49 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:36,879 What the guy's motive was revenge? Any leads? Just one? Then White 50 00:04:36,879 --> 00:04:39,879 and tell Us just came up with it. A guy in the name of 51 00:04:39,959 --> 00:04:43,199 Jake Carver. Carver, it's not familiar. We got out of Folsom three 52 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,480 days ago, served seven years. I'm robbery. Yeah, Phillmore was the 53 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:47,959 man who got Carbon and sent him up. The time he was sentenced, 54 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,639 Carver swore up and down he'd get Fillmore when he got out. Hot at 55 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:55,199 it punk, What do we look for? Carver already checked where he's supposed 56 00:04:55,199 --> 00:04:58,120 to be staying. Not There's a list of guys who used to run with 57 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,399 before he went to fulsome thanks. Let's see Joe there. It is Ralph 58 00:05:01,519 --> 00:05:05,639 Danton, Ernie Travis, Jimie Flores. Carver had been seen around town since 59 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,240 you get out once that we know of, in the bar out on Sunset 60 00:05:09,319 --> 00:05:12,720 Boulevard. Flores's with him. How about Travis and Danton, they're still around. 61 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,920 Let's see Travis one of these two years ago. Danton's around, still 62 00:05:15,959 --> 00:05:19,279 runs with Flores. That's where you start. Floris, Yeah, okay, 63 00:05:19,439 --> 00:05:23,759 any reason too. Flora's sister used to go with Carbon. Yeah, Flora's 64 00:05:23,759 --> 00:05:30,319 owns a blue Sedan. Three twenty am, we checked Timie Flora's last known 65 00:05:30,319 --> 00:05:34,959 address, the old seventy six Hotel down in South Alameda. Flores had moved. 66 00:05:35,439 --> 00:05:40,240 His forming address was his mother's house twelve thirty two Alabama Street out in 67 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,399 Boyle Heights. His mother told us how he was living on County View Avenue 68 00:05:44,439 --> 00:05:51,519 in Highland Park. Four thirty am we located the address m oh garage here. 69 00:05:53,319 --> 00:05:57,959 Wonder where him? He keeps his car not parked on the street. 70 00:06:01,439 --> 00:06:05,680 Yeah, what do you want? Police officers? Oh like to talk to 71 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:12,040 Jimie Flores Himie, it's late, we're in bad it's important. We'd like 72 00:06:12,079 --> 00:06:16,920 to talk to him. All right, Wait, I'll go get him up 73 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:27,519 hiding, Come on, get up, Come on, HEIMI. Cops with 74 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,519 the door, wanna talk to you. What did you say? You want 75 00:06:30,519 --> 00:06:40,480 to talk to you? Your officers? What can go with you? Heimi 76 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,879 Flores? That's right, we're looking for Jake Carvey. You know where he 77 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,920 a? I wish I did. I'm through with that guy. Why, 78 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,959 what's the matter? He brought my card day before yesterday, so he'd only 79 00:06:50,079 --> 00:06:54,199 be gone a couple of hours. I'm still waiting. You own a blue 80 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:58,160 Sedan Is that right? Yeah? Forty is Chevy? Why do you crack 81 00:06:58,199 --> 00:07:00,040 it up? Couldn't tell him? Do you have any idea where we can 82 00:07:00,079 --> 00:07:02,759 look for carbon? If I did, I'd be looking myself. Do you 83 00:07:02,759 --> 00:07:06,759 know if Carver's got a gun? Why a punk pull a job? Does 84 00:07:06,759 --> 00:07:11,160 he have a gun the trunk of the car? Use it on hunting trips? 85 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:17,680 What kind shotgun? Four forty five am we got out a broadcast at 86 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,600 an APV on Jake Carbon, containing a complete description of the car and its 87 00:07:21,639 --> 00:07:26,439 license number. Roadblocks were set up on all main roads leading out of the 88 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:30,519 city, and police details at the airport's bus depots and the railroad terminals were 89 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,319 alerted. All of the people whom Carver was known to have run with before 90 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,560 he was sent to fulsome penitentiary were rounded up and brought in for questioning. 91 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:42,839 While Captain Elliot from Homicide supervised the interrogation. Ben went across the street to 92 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,560 check with a coroner at the Morgue. I contacted Lee Jones at the crime 93 00:07:46,639 --> 00:07:51,839 lab six am. We met in Chief of Detective stat Brown's office. Crime 94 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:56,639 Lab planned anything single footprint that saw. Jones found it in one of the 95 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,879 flower beds in front of Fillmore's home. Is it tie in size ten? 96 00:08:00,079 --> 00:08:03,040 That's Carver's size and little health. Is there any indication Garbon might still be 97 00:08:03,079 --> 00:08:05,800 in the city. No, there was a good three hours between the time 98 00:08:05,879 --> 00:08:11,120 film and was shot and the roadblocks. Whatever. What about Carver's pals are 99 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,680 they helping him? Well, Flora's is the only way I met seeing him 100 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,360 since he got out. What about Flora's sister, Dorothy? She lives out 101 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,920 in Long Beach and seen us and Burton to bring her in. Now that 102 00:08:20,079 --> 00:08:22,439 guy Flores, did you question him again at it? Yeah? He satisfied 103 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,959 with everything. He told her that he knows. That's right. He doesn't 104 00:08:26,959 --> 00:08:28,759 seem to be too close to Carver. No record of any correspondence with him 105 00:08:28,759 --> 00:08:33,279 while he was in Fulsome about the Carno's report. Shot gun close range hit 106 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,080 him hard. There's muck shots of Carver. They are photocopy is still working 107 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:45,159 on it turning out two thousand. Excuse me, Ron speaking Albert, Right, 108 00:08:46,639 --> 00:08:48,200 they got Dorothy Flores in the interrogation room. You want to talk to 109 00:08:48,279 --> 00:08:52,159 earlier? Uh, Ben, You and Joe talked to her, telling Cenus 110 00:08:52,159 --> 00:08:54,480 and Burton to check in here. I got another angle. I want him 111 00:08:54,480 --> 00:09:03,320 to start on, right, let's go to h He must be as mad 112 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,159 as a hatter. Three days out of food him and he kills a car. 113 00:09:05,399 --> 00:09:09,559 Yeah, if it was him, you've got any other idea? You 114 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,080 need more than a footprint. We gotta find the gun. We got to 115 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:16,679 prove that he used it. Hi, you two gotta take over. Yeah, 116 00:09:16,799 --> 00:09:18,799 Lloyd, you and Gil check in at the chiefs officer. Captain wants 117 00:09:18,799 --> 00:09:22,679 to see Okay, I want the police woman to stand by. It's fine, 118 00:09:22,759 --> 00:09:26,600 let's go Gil, see you guys later. All right, you're Dorothy 119 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:31,799 Flores. Yeah, you know why you're here, Jack Carver. That's what 120 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,759 they told me. That's right. You know where he is. No, 121 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,639 have you seen Carbon in the past three days? Look, I don't want 122 00:09:39,639 --> 00:09:41,279 any part of the guy. He's nothing to me. He never was. 123 00:09:41,759 --> 00:09:46,559 He used to go around with him, didn't you seven years ago before he 124 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,159 went to Fols. What happened to your eye? Miss Floren's those bruises there 125 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:56,759 on your arm? We had a party. I fell a bump myself. 126 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:01,200 Looks like a pretty new black eye. Do you have the party last night? 127 00:10:01,279 --> 00:10:03,960 I told you, Jake's nothing to me. He's a crazy hothead. 128 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,600 I don't want any part of him. Was he around to see you last 129 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,840 night? I used to go with him. That's so I don't care what 130 00:10:07,919 --> 00:10:11,440 happened to him. He saw him last night, I didn't. This is 131 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:16,799 on a murder rapmus Florest. I didn't want to see him. He came 132 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,519 to my room, he forced his way in. I didn't want any part 133 00:10:20,519 --> 00:10:24,799 of him. Was early this morning? What time? About two o'clock maybe 134 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,679 ten? After he wanted money, acted like a crazy man. I told 135 00:10:28,759 --> 00:10:31,159 him I didn't have any money. He slugged me. That's how I got 136 00:10:31,159 --> 00:10:35,000 his mouse. What do you want the money for? He said he got 137 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,519 the cop who sent him up. He had to get out of town. 138 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,159 He took my purse forty eight dollars in it. Was he driving your brother's 139 00:10:41,159 --> 00:10:45,279 car? Yeah, I didn't want any part of him. I got nothing 140 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,639 in this. Did you tell you where he was headed? Mexico? He's 141 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,399 got friends across the border, Tijan. Allright, stay with her back and 142 00:10:52,679 --> 00:11:01,120 get us to nog for two will Yeah. The Flora's girl, Skipper Carbosaar 143 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:05,600 this morning, admitted shooting Fillmore. She says he's hitded south for Tijuana. 144 00:11:05,759 --> 00:11:07,440 Maybe he stopped off on the way. How you mean drug store in San 145 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,159 Pedro just held up. Owner was shot and killed. Yeah, the guy 146 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:16,960 was driving a blue Sedan. An immediate alert was teletype to the coastal town 147 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,639 south of Los Angeles, in the vicinity of San Pedro. The San Diego 148 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,759 Police were alerted, as were the Mexican authorities in Tijuana and other designated points 149 00:11:24,759 --> 00:11:30,759 of entry along the California Mexico border. Seven fifty am Ben and I, 150 00:11:30,879 --> 00:11:33,840 together with Lloyd Barton and Al Shambro of Homicide, drove down to San Pedro 151 00:11:33,879 --> 00:11:37,879 and checked in with Lieutenant Maxwell at San Pedro Homicide. What kind of a 152 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,720 gun did the guy use? Lieutenant? I checked the body. It looks 153 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,960 like it could have been a forty five, No chance it might have been 154 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,759 a shotgun. Na, not that kind of a wound. Who saw the 155 00:11:46,799 --> 00:11:48,840 guy make his getaway? My wife did. I lived right across the street 156 00:11:48,879 --> 00:11:52,240 from the drug store. Wife heard the shooting, ran to the window. 157 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,039 She says it was a blue Sedan. He didn't see the license plate. 158 00:11:54,399 --> 00:11:58,120 Oh. I got to look at the car before it disappeared. It looked 159 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,679 like a Chevy Demand. There's been no sign of it since the roadblocks went 160 00:12:00,759 --> 00:12:03,480 up. Not yet. It's pretty hard to understand. What do you mean. 161 00:12:03,159 --> 00:12:05,679 Uh, take a look at the map. Here, here's Pallas, 162 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:11,039 Berdie's and Clifton to the west. Roadblocks there. Yeah, here's the roadblock 163 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,480 to the north, just the side of Harbor City. Another one in northeast 164 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,919 near Wilmington. Yeah, nice one here outside of the Long Beach at four 165 00:12:18,039 --> 00:12:20,679 roads depict Frum. They're all blocked off. Uh, no turn off, 166 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,039 snow detours, all the roads are under patrol. You think he got south 167 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,080 beyond Long Beach before the roadblocks went up, had a chance. It's hard 168 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,600 to figure who could be hiding out somewhere along the way. Excuse me, 169 00:12:33,879 --> 00:12:37,799 Ah, there's a lieutenant Maxwell. Well, okay, be right there. 170 00:12:39,159 --> 00:12:41,840 Anything and they found the car off the Coast Highway, blue Chevy Sedam. 171 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:56,720 How about Carver bloodstains on the front seat. That's all they found. You 172 00:12:56,799 --> 00:13:01,080 are listening to drag nets for the step by steps A little to an actual 173 00:13:01,159 --> 00:13:13,440 police case. Eight am. We found the blue Chevrolet sed In was lying 174 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,399 overturned in a ditch just off a dead end road, on the edge of 175 00:13:16,399 --> 00:13:20,080 a grove of eucalyptus trees. Oil was still dripping from the crank case. 176 00:13:20,759 --> 00:13:26,559 There were bloodstains on the upholstery in the front seat. In the glove compartment, 177 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,559 we found two empty shotgun shelves. Ben marked them with his initials for 178 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:35,120 evidence and wrapped them in a handkerchief. The fingerprint men were called. We 179 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:43,039 found out and started a search of the general area. See if we can't 180 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,200 pick up a trail in this eucalyptus grove here, Sure has got me the 181 00:13:46,399 --> 00:13:50,759 what's that? Carl's my sed up back there? Blood all over. The 182 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,480 guy must have been heard. How'd he get this far away from the car? 183 00:13:52,759 --> 00:13:56,879 What makes you think he did get far? Neither that he was hiding 184 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:01,559 right under our No, no sign of a trails rule here, No, 185 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,679 there's nothing. There's a clearing up ahead. Come on, let's cut through 186 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:13,240 this brush here, Ben, come here. Yeah, take a look what 187 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:20,399 trunk of this tree? Brown smears on it? Blood. Maybe look higher 188 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,879 up on the trunk there is the same thing. Wait a minute, up 189 00:14:24,919 --> 00:14:30,200 in the tree. Can you see anything up there? No, the branches 190 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:35,039 are pretty thick. Trees go pretty high up a good sixty feet up there. 191 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,120 Come here, Joe, Yeah, follow my hand, I know, 192 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,720 just over the left, one pointing Oh yeah, comer man, You are 193 00:14:43,799 --> 00:14:46,080 right, Joe, Yeah, Can you see him? Yeah, up near 194 00:14:46,159 --> 00:14:50,399 the top. Say off, Burton, don't come in the clearing. He's 195 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,960 up in one of the trees. Throw that've gone down. Then come down 196 00:14:54,000 --> 00:15:11,799 yourself, all right, ben Hetty, Joe, it's Carver shotguns over there, 197 00:15:13,799 --> 00:15:18,000 so you lie. Yeah, it's a hard tree to climb. I 198 00:15:18,039 --> 00:15:22,559 wonder how he got up there. I don't know, but this was the 199 00:15:22,559 --> 00:15:28,720 only way to get him down. We called an ambulance and had Jake Karva 200 00:15:28,759 --> 00:15:33,200 taken back to Los Angeles to the County Hospital. The prison ward we took 201 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:37,120 the shotgun and the empty shells and booked them as evidence with a property clerk. 202 00:15:37,759 --> 00:15:43,519 The wrecked blue sedan was impounded. Two counts of murder were filed against 203 00:15:43,559 --> 00:15:46,600 Carver with a district attorney. There was still one important piece of evidence missing, 204 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,720 the forty five pistol used in the robbery and murder of the San Pedro 205 00:15:50,799 --> 00:15:56,600 druggist. A month passed while Carver recuperated in the prison ward of the County 206 00:15:56,639 --> 00:16:02,559 Hospital. We were busy building a case for his conviction. We still had 207 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:06,759 only enough evidence to convict him for one of the murders. Another two months 208 00:16:06,799 --> 00:16:11,399 went by. On August thirtieth, Jake Carver was brought to trial for the 209 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,919 shotgun murder of police officer Robert Fillmore. Ten days later, the jury found 210 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,759 him guilty of first degree murder. He was sentenced to a life term in 211 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:25,440 Fulshoo Penitentiary. Knowing that we didn't have enough evidence to convict his plan for 212 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:29,279 the murder of the druggist, Carver's lawyer demanded an immediate trial in the second 213 00:16:29,399 --> 00:16:33,600 charge. Wednesday, September twelfth, ten am. I was called it the 214 00:16:33,679 --> 00:16:38,519 Chief of Detective's office, Roddy get out, thank you edit, and I've 215 00:16:38,519 --> 00:16:44,799 been talking about this Jake Carver thing. They set the trial date yet starts 216 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,960 next Tuesday, bringing Carver down from Fols and to Mark it's bum luck. 217 00:16:48,759 --> 00:16:52,360 We're not going to convict him on the evidence we've got. We don't even 218 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,240 have the gun. We've got to get a conviction. He beat the death 219 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,399 rap for killing Phillmore. If he gets over this one, that means he's 220 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:02,399 still evisable for parole. So he serves ten years. Maybe good behavior, 221 00:17:02,679 --> 00:17:04,319 he gets out and he's ready to start in all over again. If we 222 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,000 could just sew him up for killing that druggist. We could put him away 223 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:11,279 for good one on a house skipper. It's a pretty good bet that no 224 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,680 jury will convict him unless we find that gun. We got another? Uh 225 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,279 just one? What's that if we didn't get Carve to admit he killed that 226 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:22,480 druggist. It's a neat trick and neon Ben got in last may. Uh 227 00:17:22,839 --> 00:17:26,799 did he see it at all? He think he could recommende you a gun. 228 00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:30,160 Oh couldn't have gotten a very good look from where he was up in 229 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,839 that tree. Ben did all the testifying at the trial. I wasn't even 230 00:17:33,839 --> 00:17:37,200 there. Now, you wouldn't know me. Why when they bring Carver down 231 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:41,240 from Folson to Mary, they'll put him in county jail while he's waiting trial. 232 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,480 Yeah, Chief figures that we could plant you in the same show with 233 00:17:44,599 --> 00:17:48,079 him. It's a chance he might talk if you play it right. I 234 00:17:48,079 --> 00:17:51,400 don't know. He's no beginner, neither of you. If you carve enough 235 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:52,519 for the right bait at the right time, there's a chance he put his 236 00:17:52,519 --> 00:17:56,279 foot in it. Maybe alright, Well you set it up as a county 237 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,839 jail. Yeah, I remember he's a killer. Don't take any chances. 238 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:07,240 I suppose he gets wise, We'll know you tried. The following day, 239 00:18:07,279 --> 00:18:10,359 at two pm, I was booked at Central Jail as Joe Ramos, a 240 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:15,119 robbery suspect. Ramos was the actual name of an Eastern thief whom we knew 241 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,440 was not acquainted with Jake Carbon. After being mugged and fingerprinted, transportation officers 242 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,759 took me to the twelfth floor of the Hall of Justice, where I was 243 00:18:22,759 --> 00:18:26,640 booked into the County Jail. After that, I was taken down to a 244 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,640 cell block on the tenth floor known as the High Power Tank, where prisoners 245 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,279 charged with major crimes are held. During the day, the individual cells are 246 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:38,400 left open and the prisoners are allowed to visit with one another. I was 247 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:42,319 taken back and shown the cell I was assigned to. Jake Carver was already 248 00:18:42,319 --> 00:18:45,759 there. He was playing two handed poker with another inmate on the lower bunk. 249 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:52,359 Hey you got Ramers, this sell here and take the top bump. 250 00:18:52,279 --> 00:18:59,599 How many kid you want make it too? Jake? Hey, move, 251 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,200 William. I want to get in my bunk. Come on, make your 252 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:08,079 bet. There's two cigarettes. You're two bunk, you six? I said, 253 00:19:08,079 --> 00:19:12,079 I'd like to get in my bunk. Go on, Sam play they 254 00:19:12,079 --> 00:19:17,200 came, okay, let's see you. Maybe you didn't hear me, Sam, 255 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:18,039 I said, I want to get in my bunk. I heard you, 256 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:22,119 Max. I don't like shoving around like this. All right, now, 257 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:29,039 sit down? What's your complaint? Didn't they tell you when you came 258 00:19:29,079 --> 00:19:32,359 through the door they bury you in the hole for beefing in here? Then 259 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:33,519 as long as I'm in here with you, let's get it straight right now. 260 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,200 Don't bother me why they're at it. Keep your rum dumb pals out 261 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,960 of here. You understand, I don't think I do. You'll be around 262 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:45,240 uh quite a while, smart guy. I won't forget that. Oh yeah, 263 00:19:45,559 --> 00:19:49,079 show time. Come on here. What are you doing down there? 264 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,799 Domin nothing? I always say, on the floor, Get back to yourself. 265 00:19:53,039 --> 00:20:02,359 Chow yeah see it? Jake, yeah, m what's this junk? 266 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:06,680 They feed you boiled beef, boiled potatoes, So have it with him here 267 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:12,400 junk? Can you buy from the outside? Candy? Sometimes pie guy comes 268 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:22,839 around? No money? Wh ye Joe Ramis ramosn Chicago. I've been there, 269 00:20:22,839 --> 00:20:30,480 so have I I'm Jake carbohya, al right, way you up for 270 00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:32,960 it? Talk to my lawyer you got a smart mind, you got a 271 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,599 big one. You take care of your own worries. Huh, I'll take 272 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,759 care of mine. I ain't gotten the worries. I got a maid. 273 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,240 He went up, beiece of bread. I don't want any of it. 274 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,640 Take it. Tell the truth. I never had it so good. No 275 00:20:48,759 --> 00:20:52,640 witness, is no evidence, and can't touch me. Sure, that's why 276 00:20:52,640 --> 00:21:00,559 you're in here three days past. By playing the part of the tough gunman 277 00:21:00,599 --> 00:21:06,599 from Chicago, I succeeded in getting close to CARV Because of the close confinement. 278 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:11,160 I was with him almost constantly, but he still refused to confide. 279 00:21:11,759 --> 00:21:14,519 In a roundabout way, I pressed him as much as I could for the 280 00:21:14,559 --> 00:21:19,440 answer without making him suspicious. No results. Eight fifty five pm Sunday, 281 00:21:19,839 --> 00:21:23,720 two days before the trial opened, Sam, Jake Carbon and I were playing 282 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:30,480 blackjack in the aisle just outside our south All right, Sam, hit me 283 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:40,359 here you are okay, I'm good, Ramis, I'll stand eighteen pay nineteen. 284 00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:44,440 That's all for me, me too, I'm gonna hit the second. 285 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,880 Yeah, just when I start to come back, always crying, Hey, 286 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,960 Ramus, excuse me. I remember you haven't I seen you were on City 287 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:56,000 Hall? Sure, I'll live there. Oh it is time, look up 288 00:22:02,759 --> 00:22:07,119 very much. What's he talking about? I don't know. I don't get 289 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,920 a headache. It's killing me. Yeah, so let me crack your neck. 290 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,680 It will help it. Oh that's not good. You got any of 291 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:15,799 them brown pills. Come, I gonna crack your neck. Loosen up those 292 00:22:15,839 --> 00:22:18,960 nerves always helps me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, let me show you. 293 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:23,480 Come on through. Tell you just relax, let yourself go. Oh 294 00:22:23,559 --> 00:22:26,319 look at my hands around the back of your neck. Come on, relax 295 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,240 where this is going to hit you? Alright? You gotta be careful with 296 00:22:30,319 --> 00:22:34,119 this though. You can break a guy's neck, you know. Take it 297 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,559 easy. Huh, white somatic, Come on, relax, alright, let 298 00:22:38,599 --> 00:22:48,160 me got a better grip on your neck at easy huh? Alright now eh, 299 00:22:48,319 --> 00:22:52,799 alrights, do it. I said that's not bad. Feels a little 300 00:22:52,839 --> 00:22:56,799 better. That works, okay? Sure? Hey, I noticed you had 301 00:22:56,839 --> 00:23:00,759 a visitor to day, one of the boys in the east. No, 302 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,640 a friend of mine out here. He just got in town. The coppers 303 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,640 are trying to pin a killing on him. No, who is he? 304 00:23:07,559 --> 00:23:11,559 Max Wesley, a good man, tried to say, pulled the job down 305 00:23:11,559 --> 00:23:18,000 the San Pedro Pedro What kind of job stick up drug store a couple months 306 00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:22,920 ago. Yah, that's what they got me on. You know it's funny. 307 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,640 Uh, I think I'll get some shut eye. What about this job? 308 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,519 They're trying to hang on him? He tell you, I don't remember 309 00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:34,240 a guy ran the store, was shot up. I think died. Max 310 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,079 wasn't even in town. What it happened happened in May last May. I 311 00:23:38,079 --> 00:23:47,119 don't know. I'll see you in the morning. Yeah, hard beds. 312 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,720 They didn't have nothing on Max on he let him go. Oh it's yet 313 00:23:51,759 --> 00:23:55,000 he's out on bail. I mean, no evidence on him. No gun? 314 00:23:55,079 --> 00:23:57,559 Huh, Yeah, he got a gun. I think that's what Max 315 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:03,160 said. They find it, they say, I don't know where they found 316 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,000 it. Well, go to sleep. What do you you mentioned anything else 317 00:24:07,039 --> 00:24:11,960 about Pedro like San Pedro Hills. Yeah, maybe that's where they found I 318 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:22,000 think Max said that. Ah uh, that couldn't be. I I denied 319 00:24:22,079 --> 00:24:26,079 that. Hey, uh, ray must it wasn't the Harbor drug store, 320 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,039 was it? What's eating you anyway? When you go to sleep? Look, 321 00:24:30,079 --> 00:24:33,880 braymos, braymos, I gotta know it's important. What are you talking 322 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,920 about? I gotta get some sleep, will you listen a minute, I 323 00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:40,799 ditched a gun down there in the San Pedro Hills. All right, what 324 00:24:40,839 --> 00:24:44,160 are you worrying about? They don't sends you up for hiding guns. They's 325 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,720 not a hot on that shop. They got me on one murder rap. 326 00:24:45,759 --> 00:24:48,799 If they tagged me in another one, that's for keeps. What do you 327 00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:51,079 want me to do? Talk to the governor? Are you sure this guy 328 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:55,240 Max said that they found a gun? Now, look, Carvin, Max 329 00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:57,759 said they found a gun in the San Pedro Hills. Now you get on 330 00:24:57,839 --> 00:25:00,680 down in your bunk and let's talk about it in the morning. What kind 331 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,079 did he say? What kind? I don't know. I don't remember. 332 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,960 Was it a forty something like that? Yeah, forty five? I guess 333 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,960 that was it. I get on there with you. Listen, got the 334 00:25:11,079 --> 00:25:15,799 jailer barking down here, Quiet down and there. All right, you go 335 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:22,119 to sleep. Now. I can't be it's not the same one. They 336 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:27,039 couldn't have found it. They haven't talked to me, Raymos, m When 337 00:25:27,079 --> 00:25:30,839 did they find the gun? Did Max tell you that? When did they 338 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:36,680 find the gun? When? I don't know? He didn't say where San 339 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:42,079 Pedro Hills, Raymos, I gotta know it wasn't by a COVID. Was 340 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,599 it on the hill road? I don't know. I'll ask Max the next 341 00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:48,640 time I see him. Is that what you did's yours? But they they 342 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,240 couldn't have found that. Nobody could have this COVID. See back on the 343 00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:53,960 road. Yeah, there was a piece of cement broken off the bottom edge 344 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,519 of the COVID, kind of a hollowed out space inside, and I pushed 345 00:25:56,519 --> 00:26:00,920 the dirt all around it. You gotta ask Max, ask him where they 346 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,160 found that gun. Yeah, i'll see him wednesday. I'll ask him. 347 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,400 You've got to find out they could put me away for good. What are 348 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,000 you worrying about? They haven't paired you up yet with a gun they found. 349 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:18,039 Yeah, Yeah, that's right. Maybe they didn't figure it, Maybe 350 00:26:18,039 --> 00:26:26,839 they forgot. Maybe, Yeah, cops it though they forget. That's what 351 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:37,319 everybody says, isn't it. Yeah, that's what everybody says. The story 352 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:44,359 you have just heard was true, only the names were changed to protect the 353 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,640 innocent. On September eighteenth, trial was held in Superior Court Department ninety one, 354 00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:52,759 City and County of Los Angeles, State of California. In a moment, 355 00:26:52,839 --> 00:27:06,359 the results of that trial, the murder gun, a forty five caliber 356 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:11,240 automatic pistol, was recovered from the San Pedro Hills and Jacob John Carver was 357 00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:15,039 brought to trial. He was tried and convicted of murder in the first degree. 358 00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:19,440 The jury again refused to recommend the death penalty. Carba is now serving 359 00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:30,480 a life term in the state penitentiary without possibility of parole. You have just 360 00:27:30,519 --> 00:27:36,440 heard Dragnet authentic cases from official files. Technical advice for Dragnet comes from the 361 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,559 Office of Chief of Police W. A. Wharton, Los Angeles Police Department. 362 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,880 Dragnet wishes to thank the editors of Radio Best magazine for their considerate appraisal 363 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:55,240 of this program. For those of you who may be interested, a novelized 364 00:27:55,319 --> 00:28:03,480 version of Dragnet appears in the April issue of Radio Best. Fatima Cigarettes, 365 00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:11,839 the best of all long Cigarettes, has brought you Dragnet from Los Angeles Tomorrow. 366 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:17,640 Here, mister and missus Ronald Coleman in the Halls of Ivy on NBC, 367 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:36,720 welcome back. A really solid undercover job by Friday to get to the 368 00:28:36,759 --> 00:28:42,720 criminal and just that perfect ironic ending. Even after being found guilty after a 369 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:49,839 second murder after being paroled from another felony, Carver doesn't get the death penalty, 370 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,319 which is indicative of what a listener pointed out a few weeks ago that 371 00:28:55,559 --> 00:29:00,720 the actual incidents of capital punishment being given out in the night teen fifties was 372 00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:06,880 dropping. Now it's worth noting that if you listen to and watch Dragnet, 373 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,880 you'll hear several last names that get used over and over again. Janning is 374 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:18,440 one and another is Carver. You'll hear the characters with these sort of last 375 00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:25,079 names repeated a lot, not necessarily always criminals. For example, Ganning in 376 00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:30,359 one episode the name of a criminal, but Bill Gannon becomes the name of 377 00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:36,119 Friday's last on air partner, and Carver would be used a lot, including 378 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:42,240 for Benji Carver aka blue Boy, from the first episode of the revived Dragnet 379 00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:47,400 series. Well, now we turn to listener comments and feedback, and we 380 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:52,400 start with a comment from Dino regarding the Big Girl. Dino writes, have 381 00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:57,000 you seen the fifties version of this? I have the televised culprit would not 382 00:29:57,079 --> 00:30:00,839 have convinced me. Well, thanks for the comment, do you know? 383 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,720 And I have seen that episode and I'm not actually focused on that detail, 384 00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:10,319 but I see what you mean on television. The role was played by Maury 385 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:17,240 Hill, who is definitely not an actor who could pull off an impersonation on 386 00:30:17,319 --> 00:30:21,920 the level that the motorists stated. But this is a case where I can 387 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:29,039 see where modern viewers mean, but I think the production decisions of the time 388 00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:37,119 are totally defensible. Keep in mind that that episode was broadcast in nineteen fifty 389 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,720 four. Television was in black and white, often grainy, and the average 390 00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:49,039 TV screen size was twelve to fourteen inches something like that. Hill was on 391 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:56,640 screen in costume for something like forty seconds, and most initial viewers were not 392 00:30:56,839 --> 00:31:03,680 going to fixate on the realism of that. And even though it was going 393 00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:11,000 to be repeated through syndication, even if a local station was playing Dragnet reruns 394 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:17,039 once a day, that episode would only come on like once every six months, 395 00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:22,160 and eventually it be less often, like once every thirteen months something like 396 00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:26,680 that. So it's a bit of a miscast by modern standards, but for 397 00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:32,799 what they were going for in nineteen fifty four, I can't really fault Web 398 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,119 and then over on YouTube have a comment from Peter regarding the episode the Child 399 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:41,880 Killer. This was a good mystery, but hard to listen to if You're 400 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,680 a parent, it breaks my heart that this is a true story. Well, 401 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,559 thank you so much, Peter, and I definitely agree even before I 402 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:56,319 became a parent. The first time we played this episode for the Old Time 403 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:01,920 Dragnet Show back in two thousand and seven, I actually decided the week after 404 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:08,359 that that I was going to play Jack Webb's appearance on The Bob Hope Show 405 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:15,000 because I felt it was so heavy. And I do think that audio drama 406 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:22,160 really does have a power about it in many ways. It's the most personal 407 00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:31,599 and intimate of mediums because everything is created in your imagination. When you're watching 408 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:38,480 something, I think there is always a little bit of on reality about it 409 00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:44,720 that your mind can really discern and wrap its head around, because on some 410 00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:51,880 level we can see cg or practical effects, but when we are listening without 411 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,480 the benefit of video, it can be I think, a lot more visceral 412 00:32:55,559 --> 00:33:00,880 and real. And that's why, for example, the horror genre is so 413 00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:09,400 effective over radio, and obviously something like this really does bring home the tragedy 414 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:17,079 of what happened and the reality of the problem in ways that are harder to 415 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:24,799 dismiss than if you were only seeing something that was staged. It's a horrific 416 00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:31,680 thing that happened. And while this particular incident occurred three quarters of a century 417 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:37,720 ago, incidents like that have happened so many times in so many different places 418 00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:43,119 since. Well, now it's time to thank our Patreon supporter of the day, 419 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,799 and I want to go ahead and thank Don Down has been one of 420 00:33:46,839 --> 00:33:52,359 our Patreon supporters since October twenty twenty one, currently supporting the podcast at the 421 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:57,920 Detective Sergeant level of seven dollars and fourteen cents or more per month. Thank 422 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,039 you so much for your support, Don, and that will do it for 423 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:07,160 today. If you're enjoying the podcast, please follow us using your favorite podcast 424 00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:10,480 software. 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What Actually, 433 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,800 I'm just trying to be polite because you don't have much choice in the 434 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,400 matter. What are you babbling about? I am a sergeant corb, but 435 00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:00,960 I'm in a homicide division. So a boyfriend of yours got himself knocked off 436 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:05,079 last night a boyfriend of mine. Didn't You used to run around with Jeff 437 00:35:05,159 --> 00:35:08,760 Rogers? You mean Jeff? Yeah, I don't believe you. Why would 438 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:13,920 I lie to a pretty girl like you. Better pack a bag, honey. 439 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,360 I think you're gonna be away for a long long time. I hope 440 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,559 you'll be with us then. In the meantime, do send your comments to 441 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,119 Box thirteen at Great Detectives dot net. 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