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get into it before we talk this episode. Are there any thoughts that you
have about VPR. I actually didn't mind brock Andshen of this episode, to
be honest, Like, normally they've been bothering me. They're annoying, I
think Brock especially, but this episode, I'm like, oh, I mean
I don't mind you. I mean you're still unlikable, still annoying, but
I didn't mind them. Okay, yeah, that's in because I still can't
stand them. My major takeaway is like I really don't like La La,
which is unfortunate because they came into this season kind of hopeful, especially off
the season eleven reunion and how she was standing for Ariana. But like the
way she made James having a bit of an emotional breakdown and like expressing his
vulnerability about Graham slash Hippie, about herself and her being a mother, and
about how we never want to have a man be first, Like it was
just crazy to me. Yeah, it's like you have to insert yourself into
every scene. Why I know, because she's bitter. I don't know why,
like, why do you have to be like opinionated, like you're not
this like enlightened person just because you're five years sober, like congrats, but
chill out a little bit. Yes, kind of annoying. It is annoying
and I'm getting irritated with it. And then I sent you that meme that
I saw. Yes, it's got pictures of Laala pointing at Sandoval screaming at
him, a picture of Sena pointing at Sandoval screaming at him, and then
the picture of Ariana pointing at Sandoval screaming at him. And then somebody's asking
the question like why is it okay for Shina and Lala to scream at Sandoval?
But when Ariana does it, like oh she's toxic? Or when is
she going to get some therapy? When is she going to move out of
the house? Yes, I thought that was pretty interesting. Oh yeah,
I posted on our ig Oh you taus. I'm like, that's based a
book, very insightful because it's like critical, why are we dogging on Ariana
for expressing her anger? And oh she's so mean and terrible and abusive.
But then Sina's literally screaming at Sandoval's face, and same thing with Laala.
She's been doing it all seasons. And don't get me wrong, like he
deserves to be screamed at, Yeah, but most of all by Arianna.
Yeah. Ari, there's nothing wrong. In fact, I don't blame Ariana
for screaming at him. But I'm like these women, Oh, I know,
I guess. Laala was up on her Amazon Live this week, Yeah,
and somebody asked her about what she thinks of the backlash that she's getting
for her portrayal this season, and she actually started crying, and she's like,
I don't read the comments. I don't read the posts because I do
not regret the way that I acted this season, but I really don't want
people calling out how silly and stupid I have been. And she's crying.
She's like, I'm a real person, this is my real life. I
can't spend my time reading all of this toxic bullshit. I'm like, okay,
what, but like, you've been on a show for how long,
like years? I mean, this is just what it is. Like.
Granted, some people are cruel on the internet. I totally get that,
Like, don't pay attention to the trolls, But at the same time,
I'm like, I don't feel bad for you. You're in the public eye
and Lala, you're very cruel and hypocritical and toxic and screaming at people and
being aggressive, but you can't handle it when you're getting a little bit of
that back at you via backlash. I thought that was very interesting. The
other little tidbit that I saw on the in andnet was about Ariana. I
guess she was at some sort of an event and she was being asked questions
and they asked her about whether she was going to return for season twelve,
And of course I have mentioned on this podcast, we have had conversations in
which I opined that maybe she's not going to be coming back because if she
can continue to get lucrative brand deals and maybe other shows, like why would
she want to come back to VPR. And her response apparently was that she
would only come back to VPR if she could be her authentic self and if
they could like shoot scenes, have experiences that were authentic, which provides some
subtext which makes it sound like maybe it wasn't so authentic in this season,
and also like was she forced to go to all these parties, to all
these events, to all these things that top Tom, to all these dumb
things at James's or the beach, because if she didn't, she was going
to lose her job. Well, I have been feeling like this whole season.
That was what I was gonna mention earlier in my hot take, and
I forgot. But all of the editing in every episode feels very like patched
together, like they're obviously putting together a narrative. We've kind of talked about
it, like maybe they thought Raquel Rachel was going to come back and so
now they had to do like, you know, plan b's storyline for the
season. But like all of the editing is so weird sometimes and I'm just
like, Okay, I feel like we're faking a lot in the show,
and I know Bravo's like notorious for that. A lot of it is like
very produced, and that's kind of just suppose it with The Valley though,
well, yeah, The Valley feels like old school reality TVs two thousand and
eight ten. Yes, it's lit. The Valley's actually a really production company
producing both shows, or is it different because they feel very different. They
do feel very different because the Valley does feel very authentic, even though some
of the characters on there are trying to produce themselves. They're not hide and
show, so it's very entertaining. Yeah. Interesting, I thought it was
interesting. So we'll see if Ariana comes back. Do we want her to
come back? I know that Laala had referred to her as a wet noodle
who kind of doesn't bring a whole lot to the show, and from an
objective standpoint, I can kind of see what she means. Ye, because
Ariana has never really been at the forefront of storylines. Sure, but I
don't know. I'd like her to come back me too, especially if she
can be her real self with her new Mimi. Yeah, who's handsome.
By the way, he is handsome, although I hear that he does not
want to film, like he doesn't want any part of this bullshit, even
though he's on FaceTime in this episode. Yeah, I can't. Yeah,
whatever, I'm sure once Bravo comes in with the checks and is like,
well, dude, we can pay you X amount of money, he's gonna
be like, oh, I'll film. I'm sure he will. Well,
we'll see what happens. Yeah, I'll definitely be watching all right, let's
get into this episode. We're in season eleven, episode I want to say
twelve or thirteen thirteen entitled Jack's Attack, Jack's Attack, which I mean,
I was expecting some craziness with Jackson, and it was very wet noodle.
It was very boring, but we'll get into it. We start with James
and Ali at their house and Jacks shows up to talk about hosting brunch.
I think at sir right, he's hosting it there, and I don't know
why he's hosting it. Well, he has been asking both James and Guillermo
at SIR to host an event. Like he's trying to get back into Sir
for whatever reason, because he's poor, back in business. Yes, he's
looking for the he needs money, yes, and we see that in the
Valley too when we talk about that later. He's totally wanting money. But
he shows up and he's talking about you know, how much they've changed since
Sir. James kind of talks about it in his talking head. He's like,
we've called him along. I guess they used to be at each other's
throats all the time, back and forth, back and forth. Yes,
interesting that they're now kind of trying to be buds. Well, I mean
you had a coked out Jax who was a free radical and out of control,
and then you had a super drunk and drugged out James who was also
toxic and of free radical. So they would often butt heads and it was
very chaotic and entertaining. Really. Yes, well, and Jackson's forty something
right, so yeah, James is a little bit younger than him. Yes,
so I'm sure they were just quite a bit. I think jack there's
what forty four to forty five, and I think James is like thirty one
thirty two. So Jax is that oldest. Oh my, yes, he's
the oldest. He's not the number one guy in the group, but he's
the oldest guy in the group. That's embarrassing. Yeah, people get older.
No, I'm just like, he just acts like very image. Yeah,
he does that. So that's why I'm saying it's embarrassing, like forty
five and you're like, geez. But anyway, so he's chatting with James.
Ali's there and she's like, well, I gotta go do an astrology
reading bye, And then this is where Jackson James kind of start talking shit,
and Jackson's talking about Katie, So can you kind of elaborate on like
their history, because it sounds like Katie fucking hates this dude. Katie does
hate Jax because Jax was with Stossy. Stossy was Katie's very best friend.
So then when Jack's cheated on Stossy with Kristen of all people, Katie was
right there. But I mean, Jacks has just done a series of really
gross, grungy things, and Katie rightly thinks he is a piece of shit.
And he also talked mat sit about Katie. She knows it, and
she doesn't want to have anything to do with him after all these years.
She's known him for many many years. She's seen the shit that he does,
and she doesn't want any part of it. She's moving on, I
mean fair well, and Jacks is like trying to blame her for the cheating
rumors of him cheating on Brittany and Katie and her talking heads, like,
dude, it was all over the internet. I just said what everybody else
is saying online, like why are you making me the scapegoat for that when
you're a cheating asshole. Well, because in fairness, Katie did bring it
up on camera, which is kind of what Kristen did on the Valley,
And so I think that's probably what Jackson's really pissed off about. It that
she had the audacity to mention it while the cameras were rolling, and so
that he was going to have to contend with it, and potentially it embarrassed
Brittany. But at the same time, I don't care. I don't care.
He's harder well, and like the Bravo editors are showing shit from VPR
earlier seasons of Jack's literally confessing to cheating on Brittany, and Brittany's like,
Ronny, how many times are we going to have to see that flashback val
pump Rules and on the Valley from Hail like he was a piece of shit?
Oh yeah, he cheated with Faith I mean, I mean he cheated
before that too, He cheated on Stossy. He is a cheater, cheater,
pumpkiny, pumpkin eater, and he's probably cheating right now. That's why
he's getting all men. Well, there was that photograph of him and his
PR person I don't know what her name is, I don't care, And
then there were rumors and people saying, wow, they look kind of cozy
together thing. We know Brittany has unfollowed Jack's on Instagram and has unfollowed that
PR person, which was her PR person. Like the last photo that that
PR person had on her ig was of her and Brittany, and so Brittany
unfollowed her and Jack's. So people are putting two and two together thinking,
well, Jack's is out here maybe banging the PR person totally, that's why
he's not banging Brittany gut roast so nasty. So anyway, they're gonna host
brunch and Lisa vander Pump's gonna be there, and Jax's all worried about confronting
her, and then we bop on over to Shena and Brock's house where Britney's
at and Brittany and Shena are chatting about their husbands because they're BFFs. I
guess her and Brittany I don't care. The only thing that's entertaining about it
is that Sheena kind of breaks down and is like talking about the issues that
she's having with Brock, and then we flash over to Brock with his friend
and the main issue, it seems like to me, is that Brock has
a problem with not being the provider of the house, and he's it's a
problem with Sena being the breadwinner. He wants to take the pressure off of
her. Sheena doesn't understand that. She's like so misogynistically, let me just
be a bad bitch and provide the money, like it's fine. So,
yeah, what do you think about all this? Well, actually, up
until this point, I've been side eyeing Brock because I just felt like he
was an opportunist who was out here using Sena Sheha and her fame and her
money. But seeing him talk to his friend, who, by the way,
was pretty hot. It's pretty hot. I see him talking to his
friend about how it is important to his identity as a man, as a
provider, that he is busy, that he's doing something, that he has
goals, that he has dreams for himself, like that's part of his life
purpose. And I really believed him in that moment. Yeah, And then
we hear Shena talk to Brittany but also in the after show, and she's
like, he takes so much off of my plate, not just by taking
care of my child, but like he facilitates my pocket cast, he facilitates
my business, my business ventures. He does so much for me, and
because he does, we make the money that we make, it all goes
into one account, and yeah, it's my LLC. But he's there with
me. We're partners. He's contributing to that. And I thought that was
a good point. So I feel for him me too. I want him
to succeed in whatever he wants to do. But then we see him on
the after Show talking about wanting to get into television and movies and stuff.
He wants the fame. Does he want to act or does he want to
be behind the camera. I couldn't really tell based on the vibe. I
don't know. I'm like wondering if he's going for like a Jason Momoa type
of thing where I'm like, cause he's kind of got that like you know
build you know these man be like, oh maybe I could be famous.
I could be Aquaman or some stupid shit like that. Yeah, And I
was like, dude, like take your talent elsewhere. Oh, get a
practical career like real estate or something like where you could use your fame and
actually make like money. Now it's not the time to be a real estate
agent in California with a man, tax and everything, but yeah, find
a more conventional career. But can we all just take a moment and a
deep breath, all of the hadterosexual and bisexual women out there, as we
remember the picture of a young Brock Davies out on the farm, I like,
how to stop it and you wind it and pause it. I was
just like, holy fuck, that's a handsome man. That is a has
a man. Yeah, probably about I don't know, forty pounds, thinner
or something. Not that he's fat, but he's got muscles. Yeah,
but like when he was young and thin and wiry. Yes, God,
yes, ma'am, I'm all about it. Do you think he's got a
big old dick? I hope that. I hope that for shadea and nice,
big old thick. Call him of a dick, that's what it is,
probably is, Yeah, I hope so. But I just thought he
was so handsome. Oh I love a shaved head, baby, I doAnd
well, except for he looks like an egg when he does you call him
this, I do. That's exactly right. But anyway, I thought it
was interesting to kind of learn a little bit more about Shina and Brock.
But honestly, in the grand scheme of things. It's boring, ap I
do not care. This is not the vander Pump Rules content that I'm here
for. I'm here for the drama. Yeah, they belong more on the
valley where like it's a bunch of married couples with kids and they talk about
their problems and that's more interesting, but not a VBR. Everybody's a bunch
of hoes on drunk, dry hump fight. That's what I want, That's
what I want to see. And then we have Katie and Tom Schwartz going
to lunch, which is just kind of like, you know, a little
small scene. I loved it, but it was very interesting street. Yeah,
they're talking about Tory, the girl that they're both competitively like, let's
text her, see who she texts back. She ends up texting Tom Schwartz
back first. But it was just their rapport together because we've seen season after
season, well we have honey, We've seen season after season of them fighting
and contending against each other and then divorcing, and it was so refreshing to
just see them at a table being friends, I know. And there was
a little bit low key chemistry between them. Oh totally. I think Schwartz
is looking at this beautiful dime piece that he fucked up with and he's like,
I hate myself. Honestly, that's my general vibe vibe Jeck my fake
psychic prediction that he cries himself to sleep every night because he's like, damn,
I really messed it up with Katie and I don't know how to get
it back, get her back. And now he's going to lunch with her
and he's like flirting a little bit, kind of playing jokes with her.
Yeah, And I'm like, you want her backs, I don't. I
think what we see in the preview with him propositioning Katie for like a one
night stand, uh huh, for old times sake, I feel like that's
more in alignment with what Tom Schwartz really wants because he does not want a
partner again. He does not know how to be a partner. We see
that when Jax confronts Katie. We'll get to that when we do like he
doesn't want to put in the effort to maintain a relationship with a person of
quality like Katie, but he definitely wants to bang her back out if he
gets an opportunity to do so. See I don't think I think he doesn't
want to be alone, but I don't think he wants to do the work
to actually be in a relationship. I think you're right on that, Like
he just doesn't want to be alone though, and that's why he's now with
a twenty four year old girl because she doesn't know what she should require for
herself because she's too young. Like you get a woman of quality like Katie
or myself, I dare say, yeah, I know what I want,
hany you better come correct for going to be in a relationship. Like younger
girls, they're not there yet most of them, not all of them.
Yeah, not me, but you know, it had me thinking about Tom
Schwartz and his broken dick based on what Katie said seasons ago talking about his
broken dick. And then I saw something about Joe, that crackhead crazy girl
according to Katie. I saw something where Joe was asked on an Instagram live
honey, whether she sucked off Tom Schwartz, Like who who would have the
audeacity to ask the question? I would have wanted to ask. I would
have totally asked it. And Joe is like, of course we were together
in a relationship and she said Tom's really good at sex. Shut. She
said, She's like, I don't know what Katie's talking about, but he's
really great at sex. Well that I mean you can relate to that.
What do you mean with your own broken dick eggs? You're related to that?
Listen. I don't know why we are going out there right now,
because it's the same situation. You're like, I don't understand it. What
are you talking about? Well, I don't understand it. When I look
at Tom Schwartz, a lot of people think he's my ex, had some
game, some swag. Okay, I mean it was more like Jesse Lally
though, I swear to god, there's so many commonalities. I know,
don't don't come for me. But when you look at Tom now with his
old man each blonde hair and his bowling shirts or whatever, nineteen fifties bullshit,
he's trying to rock right now, I'm yeah, I don't see you
being a lothario in bed, honey A freakin is She's no, Oh my
god. I've gotten so many dms like online and everything and on our ig
and even in my personal Instagram. I have this one friend that her and
I talk about this shit in Bravo. She loves Bravo. You have a
friend other than me? Yeah, who you know her? She lives here,
but I never see her and everything. But anyway, she was telling
me, She's like, yeah, I think Schwartz is like totally a conventionally
attractive guy, Like he's totally my type. And I'm like, really,
I guess that's great for you. He looks like a soft guy, like
a soft boy tots. Yeah, but if he's good in bed, he's
a lothario with that broken dick. I mean, yikes. Anyway, I
just wanted to pass that on. That is what Joe said. And I
thought this scene with Joe it's not Joe but Schwartz and Katie. I thought
that was really sweet. Yeah, it was very interesting. Yeah. And
then we have Brack and Sheena on their anniversary dinner and they're gonna bang that
night. Totally are they in the hotel? She brought toys but plugs and
stuff. My thing is, hi, sweetie, I mentioned my thing is
didn't we see in a preview? I don't know whether it was at the
top of the season. Like this scene when they are at this dinner and
Sina saying something like, I don't know if we're gonna make it for forever.
Yes, that was in a preview that was from that night. Yeah,
and we don't see that. Why didn't we see that? I hate
when editors do that. That's what I'm saying. I hate when editors put
shit into previews and then don't show it. I know it would have been
a much more entertaining episode if we got to see some conflict between Brock and
Cheeta. But no, I mean, it was kind of a wholesome dinner.
They're just talking about their relationship, how they need to spend more one
on one time with each other because I got a baby and they ain't banging
enough, you know, not having crazy enough sex. And then they're talking
about kids and she breaks down because she's like, you know, you do
so much for me. I want you to know that, and this is
your second chance of being a father, and I'm snory. Well, I
don't care. I thought Brock breaking down about his kids. I thought that
was kind of interesting. I don't care. All right, Fine, we
won't talk about it. Then you know, we can talk about it.
You know, I'm fine to talk about it. I'm just like we've already
talked about this, though we talked about it last week, they were talking
about it again. Yes, we've talked about this, how he left Australia
to come to America to make a life for himself. I'm like, you're
leaving another first world country to come to a different first world countries that you
can make a life for yourself. Make it make sense. Why didn't Why
wouldn't you want to be with your kids from your loins in your home country
and do what you need to do over there. Yeah, whatever, Like
we've already kind of talked about this, but yeah, so I was snoring,
but I I'm sorry, we can talk about it. Well, No,
I just thought it was interesting that he reflected on it a little bit
and he cried, and he's like, I look back on my nineteen year
old self, and I think I was a fucking idiot, and I am
trying my best to work on my relationship with my older two kids if they
would have me, And so I kind of, you know, I felt
for him there. At least he's acknowledging his mistakes for being a bad father.
But you know, maybe it's all for show. I don't know,
maybe it's all for show. I'm not saying that. I'm just like,
I don't know. I mean he also had the domestic violins around the same
time that he left, and I'm like, you know, we've been over
this and I'm always gonna be side eyeing Brock totally. Yeah. And then
we have Schwartz and Sandoval going to get tattoos, and Schwartz talking about all
of his horrible tattoo choices. Right Katie's name on his ass, Lisa vander
Pump's name. Why because I think he lost to bet Oh and he had
to do it, and he ended up doing it, and I don't think
Katie was happy about it either. I wouldn't be what the fuck are you
doing? And now he's getting his dog's tattooed on his back, which I
thought was kind of cute, very cute. Sandoval's falling out of his chair
there was pretty funny. All Harder that was great, yep. And then
we have James and Ali getting facials and talking about how James doesn't want to
travel because he doesn't want to leave his animals, specifically Hippie with just a
right, and so Ali has a wedding of one of her very good friends
in Ohio coming up, and James had it sounds like previously committed to go
with her, but now he's having a bunch of second thoughts because Hippie has
been traumatized already by being moved around and then thrown into the pound and rescued,
and like he just wants to give Hippie a good solid year of him
being around him, getting comfortable in his house, and he's afraid and he
wants to take care of his dog. And I think that's really sweet.
I mean, we love animals here. Of course I felt that too,
And I'm like, Allie, kind of chill out a little bit. I
mean, you can go to the wedding by yourself too, you can just
fly over and let James stay at home. But she's like, well,
why won't you come with me? And she's getting mad because she's like,
we can't just sit at home all the time and not travel or anything.
He's like, just give me a little bit. He just got Hippie back
right like two months ago, right, So I mean I felt like she
needed to just kind of chill. Yeah. But I can say her point
too, because if you told me that you're going to take me to this
wedding and like, now all of a sudden, two weeks out, you're
going to say no, Like that's going to disappoint me. And also like
how long are we going to do this where you're going to be around all
the time, never leaving your house? Right, So I can understand both
sides of it, but it really did give me some insight into James and
his depth of feeling for this animal that he does regard as his own for
baby, his own child, which I think really bonds him to Ariana,
who feels the same way about her animals. I'm not going to go there
in my mind with the litter box, but like loves Maya love loves her
dogs and cats, and so I just thought it was really sweet me too.
He's a human being, yeah, somewhere deep down there. Yeah.
And then we have like they showed the montage though of him being an asshole,
like they did. Did you see all that I did? I was
like, oh, bidding on Kristen's door, screaming at this person or that
person. Yeah, he was a pretty terrible person. A lot of that
was probably fueled by drugs and alcohol, oh for sure. And we've had
a bunch of comments, like on our YouTube and everything, of people saying
actually, like Kristen was a piece of shit to him and was like abusive
to him. So there's like a lot of stuff. I'm gonna have to
go back and watch the older seasons of VPR. Yeah, I think you
Oh, they're so entertaining and if you like the Valley, you'll like the
earlier suns of VPR. Yeah, there's a question about some of the things
that went down between James and Kristen. But like the night of the wedding
where Kristin hits him, it is reported that James hit her first, whoa,
and that there's footage of that that Bravo has not shown. No,
I'm not sure if it's true. But we also have Raquel coming out on
her podcast talking more about a domestic violent situation that she was in, alluding
very strongly to it being James. And then we have Kristin talking on her
podcast quite a bit as well, saying it's not alleged this shit happened.
He's a domestic abuser. So yeah, that's still swirling around James. Yeah,
it makes me worried for Ali if that's the case. I think if
he starts drinking again or if he starts drugging again, that's when she's in
danger. Girl. Yeah, And then we have kind of like a random
little scene of Tom and Ariana at their house. Ariana's facetiming Dan while she's
walking on the treadmill exercising, and they're talking about the upcoming San Francisco trip
that I guess everybody's invited to because Kyle Chan or whoever he is, invited
everybody for his whiskey thing, and Dan's gonna be there, which I'm very
excited to see. I can't wait. But then Sandoval is downstairs while Ariana
is facetiming talking with realtors because I guess he is going to sell their house,
and then he's looking for, you know, some dump to live in
himself, right, but like he was talking about a home with like two
separate either wings or like two separate buildings for him and for Tom Schwartz.
Yeah, I'm for sure. Yeah, they're gay gay conspiracy. And then
we have everybody showing up for brunch at Sir hosted by Jack's, and Lisa
vander Pump's there and she's like not happy, no about it at all but
are we really believing that she had no idea whatsoever that Jax was going to
be hosting an event at her own restaurant, right, I didn't really chip
buy that. Yeah. Yeah, And she's like all salty because Jack said
a couple of years ago on a podcast that Lisa Vanner Pump has no purpose
on the show. She's just I agree to. She's superfluous. She's inserting
herself into these various situations and she does not need to be there. We
all agree. Yeah, But to be fair, these are her restaurants and
this is her show. Exactly created this show. She got all of these
people famous, So I do agree with her when she confronts Jack's about it
when he shows up, and she's like, yeah, I hate you,
You're annoying, and you talked shit about me, so I'm gonna talk shit
back. And I could have said some horrible things about you on this show
and how you're not needed, but I didn't. Even though she's saying it
right here, I know that hurt Jacks. Yeah, that hurt him right
down in his field ball. Yeah, and we love that though. I
love it so egoically. And then on the after show, they were kind
of going in a little bit more on LVP, especially Brittany, like how
when she was pregnant they never heard hide nor hair from Lisa vander Pump,
like she had not reached out for a long time. And then I think
he spoke out about it, maybe on a podcast or something, right after
Cruz was born, and then within a couple of hours they got a present
from Lisa vander pomp which he was, I guess, alleging that it was
performative. But I'm like, she's not required, yeah, to keep up
connection communication with you and send you gifts. She doesn't fucking care about you.
She's not on your same age demographic. She's way more accomplished than you.
She's already given you a leg up on this planet. If anybody should
be communic kating and making those attempts, it's you. Jack's no for real.
I'm like, nobody would have known who Jax Taylor was if it wasn't
for VPR right, like you would have been a literal nobody. A fucking
bartender at one of her restaurants wouldn't have mattered. So I thought that was
kind of stupid. I'm like, why are people talking about Lisa vander Pump.
I'd be like bowing down to her if I was getting rich from her
show personally, and I got to go and stay at her mansion sometimes or
like hopst my sperm donor parties, you know what I mean. It's like
she does so much for all these people. Granted she is just a prop
though, right, and she's definitely profiting off of them totally. But yeah,
it was just an interesting scene, very interesting. And then Jack's heads
over to the girls because like Arianna and Katie and all of them are sitting
at their own table, and this is where he tells Ariana, like,
hey, Schwartz might move into your house. Schwartz had told him like five
minutes earlier, like don't say anything to anybody, but like this is what
me and Tom are talking about. And then he immediately goes and tells Arianna
amazing, I like I don't give him shit, Like if I can get
out of this house, if I can get what I have coming to me,
like he can do whatever the fuck he wants, and something about Mojo
Jojo and some Infinity house. I don't know what any of that means.
I could care fucking lesson me too, and then James and sand of all
talk again a little bit and they're he's calling him out again for being an
egomaniac, and I'm just I love that energy from James, like just calling
Sandoval out on his bullshit. YEP, because I do think Ariana was right
a couple episodes ago where she's like, the men kind of have to call
him out on his crap because he's not going to listen to anybody else.
But I don't think Sandoval listens to the guys either, right, And I
don't think he wants to go toe to toe with James because I think out
of all of the guys in the group, James is the one who does
not give a fuck and we'll take it there every single time. And I
just love James being i don't know, ten years younger than domsand of all
giving him lessons on morality and how to be an adult. When James has
his history of like possible to get me and being a drunk asshole too,
I think that's hilario. It's amazing. It's so great. And then last
but not least, we have the pool party, Yeah, at James and
Allie's house, so everybody shows up Sandival's there, Arianna's there, She's there.
Everybody's having like a fun time whatever. Katie starts off by telling the
girls the tea with Ali and James while Ali's not in the room. I'm
like, girl, stop right, But then James barges in, right,
and he's like, what do y'all talk about? And Kitti, he's like,
yeah, talking about how you're a little bit and you won't go travel
because you're worried about Hippie and you need to like kind of chill out a
little bit, which I thought was really presumptuous of someone, I mean and
like interjecting on their relationship. But then of course that's what they're supposed to
do. It's part of their jobs. Yeah, But what I thought was
really sweet was seeing James b so very honest, like I said at the
top of this episode, like being so very honest about what he's worried about,
how he feels for his dog. This is my literal fur baby child,
and so I don't want to just bannon him. I worry about him.
And as soon as he was vulnerable, you can see both Arianna and
Katie change their energy, Like Arianna's reaching across and she's like, I totally
understand. Katie's like I totally understand, you know, and we want to
be here for you. But then there's Laala, this bitch, and in
her soft era, yeah, decides to start taking him to task for not
going to the wedding and like coming down hard on him. I'm like,
this guy is breaking down in tears. This is not the time to be
hard on him, right, Soften yourself, like you say you're trying to
do Allah exactly. She gets Hella defensive because he's like comparing it to like
finding childcare and stuff like that, and Lala's like, well, of course
I would know what that's like, but like, shut the fuck up.
Like she gets so irrationally mad, and then in her talking head is like,
I think James comes first in the relationship with him and Ali, and
men should never come first in a reallytionship, Edgar. So that is Laala's
bitterness speaking right, because she's still so reactive about Randal Emmett and what Randal
did to her and what she also did to herself by being in a relationship
with that piece of shit. So she's still living in reaction and comparing absolutely
everything to that and she thinks at this point in her life, at thirty
one or thirty two years old, that she would never ever place a man
above her again. But like the reality is in any relationship that it's not
supposed to be one person ahead of the other. It's supposed to be both
parties walking side by side. But every now and again you do have to
place more focused on one partner over the other based on what the needs are
in the moment. And that's what we do in relationships, and that's called
love of course. Like if my husband needs me, he needs more of
my time, he needs more of my resources because he's going through something,
then yes, he comes before my needs in that moment because that's what I
want to do in my relationship, and that's I think what we should do
in a healthy relationship. So Lala has got it so twist. And this
goes back to her saying she does not want to go to conventional therapy because
she thinks it's a bunch of horseshit and she doesn't trust psychologists and therapists,
and so she is the one who is initiating and administering her own healing journey.
I'm like the lunatics are in charge of the asylum. Like, this
is why you're so fucked up, Lala, because you're not actually getting help.
Yes, you don't know how a healthy relationship works, La La Nope,
and you think that like your sobriety is good enough for your enlightenment and
your soft era, but like, girl, no, you need fucking therapy,
especially if you were with a literal toad man for like years and you
say that you love him and you had a fucking kid with him, and
then now you're all. Like I said before we started filming this, I
think she's so fucked up because she can't even conceive that this ugliest guy would
cheat on someone like her who's a literal goddess. Like I just I don't,
I don't know, she's messed up. I thought that comment was really
inappropriate, especially when James is literally crying in front of everybody and showing the
vulnerability, And it's just another example of both her and Sheena making everything about
themselves, like not everything is about you. And we kind of see this
happen with Sheena in just a little while when she has her fight with Tom
Sandoval. But before we get there, we have the altercation between Katie and
Jack's, and I thought this was really interesting, and I was reading some
commentary online where people were pointing out how it was really interesting that Tom Schwartz
goes to get Jack's so Jax can go and see Katie right knowing that Jax
has a problem with Katie. Everybody knows Jax doesn't like Katie, and so
Tom Schwartz is setting it up and then he takes Jack's over to Katie and
then he walks away. He goes to the background. That was weird,
and Jax comes for Katie, and of course Katie is giving as good as
she can get, like Katie's holding her own. But the one guy who
stands up for Katie is James. He stands right next to her. That's
where Tom Schwartz should be standing right next to Katie. But no, he's
in the fucking background because I think he likes to watch when others pile on
Katie. Ooh, that's so fucking He has always been like that, really,
yes, and there have been so many times when he has not stood
up for her. Really, So it's James that's standing up for Katie while
Jacks tries to attack her. But he can't because Katie doesn't give a fuck.
No, you can't attack me if I don't care about your opinion,
Honey, you can say whatever you want. It's not gonna change my experience.
Yes, I loved Katie standing up to Jacks because she's literally just been
like, I don't fucking like you, dude, Like, I literally don't
care. I'm just repeating what the internet is saying that you're a cheating ass
ho and it's true. And Jackson gets all fucking triggered because he's like,
well, that's my wy, that's mine. What about Britty? Don't you
care about Brittany? And she's like, no, I haven't heard from Brittany
forever. Why would I care about her. I don't care about any of
you. Yes, Like, okay, well there it is, Jax.
You have no power or in this conversation none and he sputters to a close.
He does, yep, And Katie and her talking head said something very
poignant where she's like, you know, the more somebody says that they've got
it all together and they've done so much work and healing, the less of
that they are. And she was saying that in reference to Jack's but I'm
like also thinking she's saying that to like La La. Yeah, yep,
that was really good. And then we have like Schwartz and Ariana talking about
him moving in, and I thought it was crazy because he talks about how
he can't afford the mortgage payment and like, if Tom Sandoval had to refi
their house, it would be like a twenty two thousand dollars payment. I'm
like, yeah, I can. I can't even conceive of a world where
no, nor would I like even if I have the money, nor would
I want to absolutely not live in la and pay that kind of money.
I would live in Montana on a ranch or something. Facts. But that's
just wild, absolutely insane. Yeah, it's kind of nice seeing Ariana and
Tom Schwartz be on like good terms though kind of chat and she's like,
I literally don't care if you guys live together. It's fine, Like I
want to run me my money, yeah, and shut the fuck up exactly.
Then we have the infamous scene with Sena, Shay and Sandbaal Yes,
arguing and yelling at each other. Yes, But the way that it starts
is Shina is telling the group like, hey, I want to leave,
I want to go put someummer moon down to bed. It's that time Brock
in his fucking pool or in the polk speedo again, same one as Tahoe.
I am still opposed. I literally get with him. He starts getting
fucking mad. He's like, why can't we just have fun? Why can't
we just stay here? Like why do we have to leave? Let the
nanny do it? And she is like yelling at him in front of everybody,
being like, I want to have this moment with our daughter, so
let's fucking leave, Like I want I want to talk my daughter in like
we're not gonna always be able to do this and so this is very important
to me. Yeah, and I thought that was totally valid. But then
before leaving, she goes to talk to say Anial and I think Kyle Chan's
there, Yes, nobody cares about him, but she I think she kind
of brings up like the song. She's like, Apple, Apple, I
made a song. I'm gonna sing it in San Francisco. So have you
heard my song yet? And Sandoval's like yeah, and it fuck it sucks.
He's like, so, well, yeah, he was a little bit
more low key than he was at Tom Tom, Like he got really mad
at Tom Tom last week and he stormed out like he was a little bit
more low key, but he's like, yeah, I don't appreciate the fact
that you continue to profit off of my page. Boo hoo. And you
know, now there's a song. There were all of these podcasts, and
she had to her credit is like, you know what, that's fair,
Like I really did profit a lot. I really. I don't want to
use the word exploit because I don't recall what she said, but she exploited
the issue so that she could make a lot of money. But then we
don't be grudual for that, because why wouldn't you. But Tom's a little
salty about it, and so she seems to acknowledge that a little bit.
And then she's like, but also I can write a song about this,
like it's fine. And it did impact me. I'm a part of this
friend group. Yeah, this had a huge impact on me. In fact,
And she was talking earlier with the girls or somebody about her intrusive thoughts.
I'm trying to remember it was with Brittany right when they were sitting down
about her intrusive thoughts, Yeah, and how they're really bad and so in
this moment, she starts talking about how what Tom Sandival did actually had a
big effect on her, because now when Brock walks into a room or Lalla
walks into a room, she notices how their eyes light up, and she
immediately thinks, well, is he going to do that to me? And
she's like, and that's because of you, Tom Sandoval. And I object
to that because you have to take ownership and accountability over your own mental health,
oh for sure. And just because Tom made this terrible mistake and he
absolutely perpetrated the ultimate betrayal upon your best friend doesn't equate to your husband cheating
on you as well, should not lend to this kind of extreme anxiety in
OCD that she seems to have. And when she was talking to Brittany,
she was also mentioning that she had been put on zoloft right. She was
on it for like a month or something, right, and it helped her,
but it also made her really tired, and because of all of these
songs that she's cutting in podcasts that she's making about scandabal, yeah, she
had to stop taking it because she needed her energy. But I was just
like, hmm, you can't really put that on Tom Sandvall, Yes,
it did inform your experience and struggling with it, but that doesn't make it
his fault. Yeah, and I mean he does call her out for it.
He's like, you're not the victim, like you're you're acting like you're
more of a victim than Ariana, which I thought was a fair point.
I mean, you're not a victim, she know, Like, I get
that this is your friend and all that stuff, and I get that this
was really hard for ever put out her restraining order on Well, because you
hit her exactly. That's why though. It's because you probably actually hit her,
so take responsibility for that, which you can't do because there would be
legal ramification for sure. Yeah. So yeah, she was affected by it,
we get it. But yeah, you're not the victim. So Tom
Sanivil was right in that instance. But then this is where tensions start to
get really high and she starts raising her voice. Tom gets more and more
defensive, and I can't remember everything else that was said, but the one
comment that blows everything up is he tells her, well, you were the
other woman in a relationship too, and that's when she comes back, fuck
you, Tom, And that was I was twenty one years old when that
happened, and you know that I didn't know that he was married. And
she's screaming at him, and Tom's i think, yelling back at her,
although I'm not really hearing anything. I just see Brock come up and put
his hand on Tom's shoulder and push him away. Yeah, kind of lean
in and say, look, she was in her twenties. Man, that's
really different than you being in your forties. Yeah. Like Brock got in
the middle of that right away, which I really respect. I don't think
Tom Sandoval is going to be coming for brockda anytime soon. No, not
a physical level, no, man, But she does popping off. She
is up set, yes, which I mean I thought that was fair.
Like I think it's fucked up that every time Sandoval gets confronted with anybody's feelings
about scandival, he always has to turn it back around on other people.
And that's what everyone has a problem with. It's like we've said this before,
You've said this on the pod, that he can never sit in the
responsibility, like he can never sit in the shame of what he did.
He's always got to fucking put it back on him. He's always got to
go into the archives. And then he has the audacity to say something like,
well, she's going into the archives. It's been six months, what
are you talking about. The reverberations of what it is that you did are
still quite evident in this group, Like, what do you mean just six
months ago? Everybody is still feeling this, Tom, just because you're over
it. And that's because you're dead inside, which you would have to be
to do something like that to Ariana. Doesn't mean that everybody else is as
well, exactly, So two things can be true at once. Yep,
Shena is playing the victim. Yeah, and Shina doesn't have the right method
or process yet to help with her mentals because she's got too much anxiety.
She's very worried, she's very fearful, she's got OCD like she needs help,
and that's probably lending itself to all of these other things that are making
it hard for her to be the good old Sheena that we all know.
So that is on her. Yeah, that's not Tom Sannibal. But at
the same time, Tom Sanible, Jesus Christ, can't you just take responsibility
in a moment for real? Can't you just say, look, I mean,
I understand you made the song Apples and I don't necessarily like it,
but that's your point of view, and you have every right to do it,
and let's just leave it there. Yeah, why can't you be the
bigger person because he's not. Yeah, he's a piece of shit. Yeah,
he's a forty year old loser. He's always going to be changing on
everybody. Two even worse, and he's got a bad cover band forty three.
He's ruined. His life is ruined because of scannabal because of his own
mistake, and he can't admit that to himself because to admit that to yourself
would mean that you have to take responsibility and actually own up to your actions.
But to do that requires humility and a soul introspection. Yeah, and
the ability to like self reflect. Right, he just doesn't. I'm I'm
actually shocked at his inability to be able to self reflect, even on the
most minute level. Like he can't do it at all. Everybody else can
see it, Even James can see it, Even Tom Schwartz can see it.
All of these people are telling him, like, you need to do
it this way, you need to take ownership. But like he can't do
it. And that's what's crazy, is like this friend group is so fake
and so hypocritical, and they're like vapid af and all of these fake ass
people are like looking at this piece of shit narc and they're like, dude,
just say you're sorry, Just take ownership for it, like it's not
that hard. Just suck it up. And he can't do it. And
so it's just interesting to me, like psychologically, all these fake ass people
being like, aghast that you can't take it down. I actually think he's
mad. I think he is very mad because when you look at his life
before Scanned, of all, he had Tom Sandoval and the most extras and
even though he can't fucking sing and as pitchy as fuck, he had so
many crowds coming out to all of his shows. He was very successful.
He had a new bar, he had a girl, right, Yeah,
he was popular. He was on this this show. But now after Scandival,
nobody's really coming out to see Tom Sandival and the most extras unless it's
to them, and they're losing your fucking house. You no longer have the
queen Ariana, you don't have anybody. Everybody hates you. And internally you
don't think it's your fault. Internally, you think you're justified to have cheated
on your girlfriend. So he's mad. That's why he can't help himself,
but to strike out and strike back at all these people because he didn't he
doesn't think that he did anything wrong. That's what's so crazy to me.
I'm like that, he's like a case study, straight up, like Wow,
I can't how you can live your life in such denial is wild to
me. But that's how the episode ends. Sheena leaves and she's pissed off,
crying. She apologizes to Ali, I'm sorry for yelling at your house,
and then it's to be continue, right, So I hope we get
to see more of the fight, maybe more people blow up at Sandoval.
I don't know. I can't wait for San Francisco personally, right, Well,
you want to see Dan and potentially set a confrontation with Tom Sandoval,
Yeah, because I don't recall who said to Dan that they think Tom Sandival
is going to try and shake his hand, yeah, and Dan's like,
yeah, that's not gonna happen. Yeah, I definitely want to see how
that goes down. I can't wait I hope that's the next episode me as
well. I hope we don't get like another filler episode before that we might,
So any final thoughts about then the pumperou Well, this episode was kind
of lacking for me. Yeah, you know what, this whole season has
been kind of lacking. I really thought, Beatrice that this was going to
pop off. Like the opportunity I think production had to make this such a
killer season is just going down the tubes totally. They really haven't availed themselves
of like all the cool opportunities to get into these different style lines. I
know, but you know what is popping off though, The Valley, which
what I was just gonna say, We're probably gonna say the same thing.
Yeah, we are about to get into and we're about to talk about but
I just have to say that it's infinitely more entertaining than vander Pump Rules.
Like if I'm a cast member like a Lalla or a Kadie on vander Pump
Rules. After having been on VPR for so many years and I'm seeing how
popular The Valley is season one, and what a dud this season of VPR
is, I'd be feeling like shit, I know, and like well,
I wonder if Sheena, the Clout, Goblin and Brock are gonna be like,
can we go on the Valley? No, we don't want you,
because you guys are producing yourself. And the reason that the Valley is so
great is because you have enough people on the cast that aren't producing themselves.
They think they are, like Jesse and Michelle think that they're producing themselves,
but they're not because they don't know how to do it see VPR. They've
had year after year after year to learn how to do that. That's why
it's fucking boring. And that's why we have Ariana saying like, if I
can be authentic, if we can get real out here in these streets,
I will come back. But if not, that's a no. Yeah.
That's a good point that they know how to produce themselves. So yeah,
I love in the Valley. I can't wait to get into that in this
episode. Girl. Well, then let's wind it down, let's do it.
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