WEBVTT 1 00:00:14.519 --> 00:00:18.160 Hello, and welcome to Blurry Photos. I'm David Flora, and I've got 2 00:00:18.199 --> 00:00:21.800 a great interview for you today with a returning guest who's here to talk about 3 00:00:21.800 --> 00:00:25.679 her newest book and real quick. In case you haven't heard, my films, 4 00:00:25.679 --> 00:00:29.760 Shadows in the Desert is out now on Apple, TV and Amazon. 5 00:00:30.519 --> 00:00:33.799 You can search for the title on those platforms and rent or buy it, 6 00:00:33.920 --> 00:00:38.399 and if you like it, please leave a positive review, at least on 7 00:00:38.600 --> 00:00:42.159 Amazon. I'm not sure if Apple does that or not, but it would 8 00:00:42.159 --> 00:00:46.079 greatly help me and Derek. And also, if you're a backer for the 9 00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:51.600 Kickstarter and haven't received your rewards yet, it might be because we haven't gotten 10 00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:55.000 an address confirmation from you, so shoot me a message to let me know. 11 00:00:55.359 --> 00:00:58.840 Best way would be the Blurry Photos Facebook page so I see it quickly. 12 00:00:58.920 --> 00:01:02.840 But you can also check out the Kickstarter page for updates and such, 13 00:01:02.880 --> 00:01:06.879 and I think you can send us a message on there anyway. Hope you 14 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:11.000 guys enjoy the film or have enjoyed it if you've watched it, It's nice 15 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:15.120 to finally have it out there in the world. Now to the important stuff. 16 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:19.519 Journalist, editor, producer and author Laura Krantz is back to talk about 17 00:01:19.519 --> 00:01:25.400 her new book, Is There Anybody out There? Laura as the creator and 18 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:30.840 host of wild Thing Podcast, a long form narrative podcast about the obsessions that 19 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:36.359 capture our imaginations. She's produced three seasons of the show, each focusing on 20 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:42.040 a different topic, including Bigfoot, UFOs, and nuclear power, and she 21 00:01:42.079 --> 00:01:46.879 has parleyed these seasons into a book series for middle grade readers, starting with 22 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:52.680 the Search for Sasquatch and now with is There Anybody out There? Based on 23 00:01:52.719 --> 00:01:59.239 her podcast's second season, looking at the science behind the search for extraterrestrials. 24 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:02.920 She joins me to talk all about the writing of this new book and her 25 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:08.520 experience of searching for the answer to the question is There Anybody out There? 26 00:02:09.240 --> 00:02:19.479 Enjoy She's the author of the new book Is There Anybody out There? And 27 00:02:19.879 --> 00:02:23.719 host of wild Thing Podcast. Laura Krantz. You're back. How are you 28 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:27.759 welcome back? I'm back. I'm excited. What are we going to talk 29 00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:29.439 about? Oh? I know what we're going to talk about. We're going 30 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:34.319 to talk about aliens. Aliens, aliens. Yeah, you're back to talk 31 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:38.240 the new book and a little bit on season two of wild Thing Podcast, 32 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:43.840 which is all about aliens. And their technology. So I listened to season 33 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:47.240 two and I was impressed with how much of a scientific approach you took to 34 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:54.080 the subject, because it's often that we get perspectives of very ardent believers in 35 00:02:54.199 --> 00:03:00.719 extraterrestrial activity on Earth, but you talk to several scientists of different specializations. 36 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:07.919 What was your goal in season two's exploration. Yeah, so the goal with 37 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:12.719 both season two and with the book was same similar with season one of the 38 00:03:12.719 --> 00:03:15.360 podcast, end with the book, which is like, take this topic which 39 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:20.240 has fascinated people and is something that people are really really intrigued by, and 40 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:23.439 try and approach it from a scientific angle. So, if we are thinking 41 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:29.719 about alien life or extraterrestrial life, what kind of evidence, scientific evidence do 42 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:34.520 we have that would say that it is definitely out there or definitely not out 43 00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:38.319 there, or maybe out there. And there's a lot of people who are 44 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:40.680 thinking about this from different perspectives. You know, you definitely have the ardent 45 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:46.039 believers who are yes, aliens have visited, I have been probed. Let 46 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:51.560 me show you the scars all the way over to people at NASA who are 47 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:54.080 like, we just put this giant telescope up in the sky and it is 48 00:03:54.159 --> 00:04:00.280 taking pictures of things that are so far away, and yet we are able 49 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:04.360 to kind of maybe get a sense of whether those faraway places could potentially support 50 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:10.039 life. So, you know, it's a wide range of topics, and 51 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:13.360 it's a wide range of people who are thinking about these things, and I 52 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:18.079 just wanted to approach that from sort of a more serious perspective. I think 53 00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:24.120 you accomplished that. Well, can you give us a short rundown of some 54 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:29.639 of the folks you spoke to and their specialties and things like that. Yeah, 55 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:32.720 So the book starts with a mula mua, which was for anyone who's 56 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:39.360 unfamiliar, this interstellar object that passed through our solar system in twenty seventeen. 57 00:04:39.560 --> 00:04:43.120 And I mean we almost missed this thing. It was coming in super fast, 58 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:46.319 and it shot around the Sun and then went right back out again. 59 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:50.399 So it was if someone hadn't been really paying close attention to the photos that 60 00:04:50.439 --> 00:04:55.040 were coming out of the various in a sort of observatories, we might have 61 00:04:55.120 --> 00:05:00.160 missed it entirely. And for just to start like it is to me it 62 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:05.160 was just so cool that this thing is coming through our solar system and at 63 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:09.759 the moment where we finally have the tools to recognize something like this, to 64 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:14.160 recognize the speed, the trajectory, the fact that it's moving so fast that 65 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:17.680 it wasn't bound to an orbit around our Sun, which meant it came from 66 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:20.879 outside our solar system. Like that was really cool. I know that it 67 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:25.040 was not the first one. There probably been lots, but it was the 68 00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:27.879 first one that we really recognized, which I thought was amazing. So I 69 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:31.560 ended up talking to, you know, the astronomer who discovered it, or 70 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:34.759 found the you know, was looking through the photos and saw it. I 71 00:05:34.839 --> 00:05:41.160 ended up talking to doctor Auvi Loeb, who was the Harvard astrophysicist, who 72 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:46.040 basically said, hey, let's not rule out the possibility of alien technology. 73 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:49.360 Maybe this is something like a light sale. Then you start getting into questions 74 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:55.439 of like, okay, well what does extraterrestrial life look like? And then 75 00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:58.839 that just leads you to the question of what is life? And we actually 76 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:01.560 don't know what I mean, this is a big philosophical question. We don't 77 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:06.480 know what life is like we recognize it. It's like that famous quote from 78 00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:10.399 the Supreme Court, Whi's like you know, you know pornography when you see 79 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:13.839 it, It's like, we know, we know life when we see it, 80 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:17.319 but we don't really know how it arises, what are all the important 81 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:21.000 things that make it up. We have an idea of what it does, 82 00:06:21.079 --> 00:06:25.319 of how it acts, but what is it? And so and you know, 83 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:32.000 I'm talking to astrobiologists from SETI and I'm talking to planetary geologists about like 84 00:06:32.439 --> 00:06:39.680 the different aspects of planets that you know, what or what elements of planets 85 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:43.399 we think would be habitable for life. And it just it kind of was 86 00:06:43.439 --> 00:06:46.720 like I would ask one question and there'd be more questions and more questions and 87 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:49.319 more questions, and it you know, it was a lot of fun, 88 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:53.399 but it was a lot of questions. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's 89 00:06:53.519 --> 00:07:00.639 very interesting how a lot of topics, not just paranormal extraterrestrial, but also 90 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:08.079 the arts, even economies and things kind of when you boil them down way 91 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:14.399 past the point that you filled the bucket, you are kind of left with 92 00:07:14.480 --> 00:07:18.160 the philosophy of everything, and you're always coming back to like why or what 93 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:24.240 is or here's all these questions we can't answer, but for some reason we 94 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:27.839 have all these systems in place. I think that's fun as well, the 95 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:30.720 just getting down to the philosophy of it. Yeah, And there's an element 96 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:34.279 too of like we don't know, and I think as humans we're not always 97 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:38.279 comfortable in that gray area, that idea of like, well, we don't 98 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:41.720 really have the answers for this, so we're just going to kind of keep 99 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:46.199 probing, not literally probing, maybe literally probing, but like trying to, 100 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:48.000 you know, figure things out. But we're kind of operating in the dark 101 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:53.680 to some degree. I can't remember who the interview was with, and it'll 102 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:56.920 come back to me after this conversation is finished and then I'll email you. 103 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:03.040 But it was with a scientist and someone kept asking him why certain things about 104 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:07.839 the universe and he's like, you know, I can only answer that so 105 00:08:07.079 --> 00:08:11.480 much, and then eventually there's an there there is no answer. We don't 106 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:15.279 know why. We're still trying to figure that out. And if the scientists 107 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:18.079 are saying that, you know, they are also they also have to be 108 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:22.519 comfortable operating in that gray area and trying to figure out answers to things, 109 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:28.000 and maybe the path they've chosen takes them in the wrong direction, but maybe 110 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:31.799 not. Yeah, And that's as comfortable as you can operate in the unknown, 111 00:08:31.799 --> 00:08:35.240 I think, and part of the reason why I think people are listening 112 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:39.240 to this right now and the reason I try to delve into these topics, 113 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:43.519 it's you try to get as close to why as possible, not only but 114 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:48.120 is the journey fund but you know, you learn enough to move that dial 115 00:08:48.200 --> 00:08:52.960 a little bit towards what, the why and the answers. But yeah, 116 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:58.840 that's interesting. That's something I'll circle back to in a few questions actually speaking 117 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:03.320 of whys. But I would also like to point out that you make the 118 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:09.000 point early on that it's hard to find tech over vast distances, and this 119 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:13.559 ties in with what you're saying about omumuh and how we barely you know, 120 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:16.679 caught that as it came by what else you know? Have we missed? 121 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:20.960 What do we not know that we don't know? And you talk about how 122 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:28.600 small the window is for when we could detect actual signals from another civilization and 123 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:33.120 vice versa. First of all, let's talk about why that is, and 124 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:37.600 then I'll follow up with another question for you. Yeah. So, one 125 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:43.000 of my favorite interviews that I did for this podcast and then that information also 126 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:46.600 made it into the book, was with doctor Frank Drake, who is, 127 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:50.919 you know, sort of a foundational figure in the search for extraterrestrial life. 128 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:54.799 He created what's known as the Drake equation. And there's all these different variables 129 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:56.559 in that equation. You know, the rate at which stars form, and 130 00:09:56.720 --> 00:10:01.320 the stars that have planets around them, planets that are habitable, on and 131 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:05.639 on and on and on. And one of the last variables is a question 132 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:11.279 of like would a technolog or a what does civilization have a technology that is 133 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:16.320 findable and the time period that that is findable. And the example he uses 134 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:20.799 is of Earth like for a long time, not even that long, not 135 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:22.759 even one hundred years really at this point, right you know, radar, 136 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:28.039 we've had radar, we've had radio, we've had broadcast, and those signals 137 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:33.240 are getting blasted out into the universe, intentionally or not. But as we 138 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:39.120 switch to different forms of communication, as we get away from broadcasts, as 139 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:45.840 we you know, things are going more through cables and fiber optics, that 140 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:50.600 signal that we have been projecting out into the universe is going away. And 141 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:56.799 his thought was that other civilizations, if they are as advanced or more advanced 142 00:10:56.799 --> 00:11:01.559 than we are, are probably also getting quieter, which means that they are 143 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:05.559 going to be harder to find, which he seemed a little sad about this, 144 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:09.960 and I can understand that, like you've sort of he's really been focused 145 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:16.480 on radio telescopes and radio signals for he was focused on that for the most 146 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:22.039 of his career, and then to realize that that technology actually wasn't the cutting 147 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:24.159 edge anymore and was going away, like and then it's like, well, 148 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:28.519 now how do we look? So Yeah, that was a really interesting conversation 149 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:33.600 with him. Yeah, it's such a small window, especially if you're talking 150 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:37.519 one hundred years. You know, that's that isn't faster than a blink of 151 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:41.440 an eye in the universe perspective. Yeah, and you know, as those 152 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:48.039 signals move further out, they get diluted to not as noticeable, so you 153 00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:50.759 know, they're harder and harder to find. So by the time they reach 154 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:54.080 a place where we could observe them, or some other civilization could observe ours, 155 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:58.960 they might be so deluded that they don't even register it. They're not 156 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:03.799 even a blip. I wonder if that ever degrades on its journey as well, 157 00:12:03.039 --> 00:12:09.480 you know, if it when you get so far apart from I don't 158 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:13.519 I'm just trying to visualize it, and I don't know what I'm talking about. 159 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:15.840 So you know it's gonna be this is going to be great to listen 160 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:18.960 to. But well, radio is a form of light, and light as 161 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:22.200 it gets further and further away from the source just becomes more diffuse. So 162 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:26.600 I would imagine that radio is the same way. Yeah. Yeah, I 163 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:28.799 am also not a scientist, so correct me if I'm wrong, But that 164 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:35.320 that makes sense to me. And that's another thing I'm gonna speak about after 165 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:39.440 this, but the light and its properties. But you mentioned Frank finding that 166 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:46.759 or seemingly finding that disappointing. Do you find it disappointing as well? Kind 167 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:50.919 of? I mean, you know, that was just one avenue for which 168 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:56.279 we were exploring this this or which we were trying to conduct this search. 169 00:12:56.360 --> 00:13:01.559 And I think that as that has fallen away as being a leading way of 170 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:03.720 doing this, there are other things that are coming online. And I'm thinking 171 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:09.679 specifically of the breakthrough projects that are happening. These are projects that were founded 172 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:15.000 by a Russian billionaire or e. Milner, And you know, one of 173 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:20.720 them involves radio telescopes still and it's radio telescopes all over the world and reporting 174 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:24.799 information to a central database. So rather than just having one or two that's 175 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:28.799 pulling in information. You've got them all over the place. There's also you 176 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:33.440 know, optical telescopes have become much much better than they used to be, 177 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:37.759 and we also have space telescopes where we can get more information about what kinds 178 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:41.799 of planets might be habitable and what stars have planets rotating around them, and 179 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:46.120 sort of that Goldilocks zone as we call it, like the right distance from 180 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:50.559 the Sun so you're not getting fried or frozen. And then you know, 181 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:54.240 there's this really cool one called breakthrough starshot and it I mean, this is 182 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:58.519 like straight out of science fiction. But the idea that we would build this 183 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:03.120 bank of lasers on on the ground, extremely powerful lasers that we could then 184 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:09.960 focus on a light sale that gets launched from a satellite above orbiting around Earth. 185 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:13.639 It would put out all of these little probes that have light sales, 186 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:16.960 and then we would shoot those probes at you know, a decent fraction of 187 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:20.519 the speed of light twenty percent the speed of light in the direction of any 188 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:26.519 potentially habitable planets that are within twenty light years of Earth. And the reason 189 00:14:26.519 --> 00:14:31.120 they pick twenty light years is one it might actually get there in someone's lifespan 190 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:35.279 and two like beyond that, it's really hard to know what's going on. 191 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:41.200 But for instance, we could send one of those to Proxima Centari, which 192 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:45.440 is the next closest star system to Earth. It's four point two light years 193 00:14:45.480 --> 00:14:50.519 away, which with our current technology would take us thousands and thousands and thousands 194 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:52.519 and thousands and thousands and thousands of years to get there. But with this 195 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:58.960 breakthrough starshot stuff would take twenty which is kind of awesome. Yeah, yeah, 196 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:01.639 I mean it's mind blowing. So while the radio stuff is sort of 197 00:15:01.639 --> 00:15:05.360 falling off to some degree, there are other things that are coming online that 198 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:11.200 might give us the answers we're looking for. That's a that's a great perspective 199 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:15.679 on it. It's it's optimistic, which I like. Yeah, I mean, 200 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:20.240 I'm not saying we're going to be like sharing lattes with the people from 201 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:28.440 gg b X two dot seven, but you never know, yeah they yeah, 202 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:33.919 but we'll get there now. That's that's really cool. And that was 203 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:37.120 the distance thing always just blows my mind. And you had that as well. 204 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:43.120 When you when you put it in perspectives, we can see and understand, 205 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:48.639 like when you've visited. Was it you see Boulder? Yeah, University 206 00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:52.759 of Colorado, Boulder. They have a scale map of the Solar System, 207 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:58.399 and I forget what the scale is. It's very small and it's roughly over 208 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:00.440 you know, you you cover the distance the Solar System within a third of 209 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:04.159 a mile. So you start at the Sun and then you walk out to 210 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:10.440 Pluto, which shows you how old this scale map is. Because Pluto rip 211 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:15.120 no longer a planet. I've had people get very angry when I've said that. 212 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:17.480 They're like, Pluto's sell a planet. I'm like, it's not. 213 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:25.519 Don't mess up midemotic, don't shoot the messenger. But when you put it 214 00:16:25.559 --> 00:16:30.919 in that perspective, the farthest that humans, like actual physical humans have gotten 215 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:37.000 is from Earth to the Moon, which on this scale map is like a 216 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:41.879 quarter of an inch. Yeah, it's not far, and then you know 217 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:45.759 you still have like almost a third of a mile to go to get to 218 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:49.759 Pluto. Like it just yeah, it's crazy. I don't And from the 219 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:53.360 Earth to the Moon, I don't think people understand the distance there either. 220 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:56.559 I have heard that you could fit all the rest of the planets in between 221 00:16:57.200 --> 00:17:02.159 the Earth and the Moon and there would be it could do it over. 222 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:04.920 Maybe I don't true, I've not heard that one, but I mean it's 223 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:10.480 two hundred and thirty odd thousand miles, I think, yeah, which is 224 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:14.440 that signific? That's a road trip, my friends. And maybe maybe it's 225 00:17:14.519 --> 00:17:18.759 you know, maybe I'm getting that wrong because Jupiter seems like it would you 226 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:25.079 know, it could be like hold my beer. But anyways, I don't 227 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:27.680 know. You hear a lot about stuff, but it boils down to space 228 00:17:27.799 --> 00:17:33.160 being big. Yeah. But there was one guy I talked to who he's 229 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:37.000 a guy who actually walked me through this solar system model, and he's like, 230 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:41.079 space is a perfect name for space because it's mostly space. That's what 231 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:48.200 we got. Yeah. So going back to the thing about radio waves just 232 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:51.200 being a form of light, one of the experts you talk to explain that 233 00:17:51.319 --> 00:17:56.440 everything gives off light to some capacity. Had you heard that before? I 234 00:17:56.480 --> 00:18:00.839 had not, or if I had, it had not stuck. But like 235 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:04.119 his explanation of it was so good, and all of a sudden, I'm 236 00:18:04.119 --> 00:18:08.119 like, oh, this just there's sometimes I really want to go back and 237 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:12.960 like redo like junior high and high school science. Knowing what I know now 238 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:15.839 and knowing how this applies to the real world because I feel like you're just 239 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:19.400 operating in a total vacuum. At that point, there were a few smart 240 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:26.640 science kids and the rest of us were like bo And now I just feel 241 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:29.160 like I would have gotten a lot more out of those lessons. But yeah, 242 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:33.519 learning that you are giving off forms of light in you know, it's 243 00:18:33.559 --> 00:18:37.039 not just optical light, which is us seeing each other. It's like infrared 244 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:42.680 and UV and gamma and radio and microwave, and all of a sudden things 245 00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:45.960 start to make a little bit more sense. I'm no, by no means 246 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:48.880 a genius on this stuff, and I probably get it wrong all the time, 247 00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:52.480 but I feel like I have. It's like someone opened a door and 248 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:57.720 unveil the secret world that I had not been part of it before? Is 249 00:18:57.759 --> 00:19:03.599 this what being a Mason is? Like? Yeah? So what so with 250 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:10.039 that in mind, what what do you think the implication is for extraterrestrial life 251 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:15.759 or their tech? Knowing that, I mean, I think there is probably 252 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:21.359 extraterrestrial life out there. I'm almost certain that there's microbial just based on what 253 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:23.960 we know about microbial life on Earth and where it can live, and like 254 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:33.519 the incredibly like harsh climates that it can exist in advanced extraterrestrial life. I 255 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:37.680 don't know. I'd like to hope. So, you know, if we 256 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:42.319 evolved from microbes, it would stand a reason that that would happen in other 257 00:19:42.359 --> 00:19:47.599 places. The question is is what happens after that evolution. There are these 258 00:19:47.640 --> 00:19:52.160 theories about like you know, species can only get so technologically advanced before it 259 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:56.839 wipes itself out. The great filter, I think, is what that theory 260 00:19:56.920 --> 00:19:59.960 is coming back to FI. Yeah, and it's like, you know, 261 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:02.960 did they blow themselves up in a nuclear explosion? Did they poison their own 262 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:06.000 atmosphere? Like all of the things that I think we think about, and 263 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:08.480 there's probably like millions of other horrible ways to die. Did their sun explode 264 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:14.440 right, geez, a rogue black black hole? Yeah? Were they swallowed 265 00:20:14.440 --> 00:20:17.640 by a black hole? Did their planet turn to done and everyone got eaten 266 00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:22.920 by those sandworms? Yeah? You never know. Do we have to take 267 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:30.200 the gomb jabar at some point? That's what we need to know. But 268 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:33.640 yeah, I like to think something will be out there. The question is 269 00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:37.200 is are we ever going to cross paths with it? Yeah? And I 270 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:41.680 think that's what this whole project, like the immensity of space just kind of 271 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:47.200 blew my mind when you're looking at photos from the James web Space Telescope and 272 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:52.480 there's that one of all those like it's a sort of a copy of what 273 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:56.160 was shot by Hubble years and years ago, of all these distant it looks 274 00:20:56.200 --> 00:21:00.000 like stars, And then you realize those are galaxies, and then you really 275 00:21:00.319 --> 00:21:04.720 that that is the like it's like the tip of your finger held out at 276 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:10.160 arm's length. That's the section of the night sky you're looking at. And 277 00:21:10.200 --> 00:21:14.599 then your mind is just blown and you kind of have to come to terms 278 00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:18.599 with how small and insignificant you are, and the likelihood of meeting someone else 279 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:23.799 seems pretty small and unlikely. Yeah, I feel like when they keep zooming 280 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:30.160 out in those pictures and they show the universe and like the Virgo supercluster and 281 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:33.799 they keep going, you know, and it's all purply and sparkly and stuff. 282 00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:37.440 But why when they zoom they keep zooming out on those Theoretically, you 283 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:41.759 know, to me, it looks like the X ray of like the inside 284 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:47.640 of a rock or something like, Yeah, are we just like atoms in 285 00:21:47.680 --> 00:21:49.559 a system at this point? You know, And it just keeps getting smaller 286 00:21:49.599 --> 00:21:53.839 and smaller the further down you go and and when you you know, zoom 287 00:21:53.839 --> 00:22:00.000 it out. We're we're just some kind of a little beyond microscopic things in 288 00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:03.559 a in a rock. Yeah. No, you kind of have to wonder 289 00:22:03.759 --> 00:22:07.640 like, is it just like how how many layers to the future are there? 290 00:22:07.839 --> 00:22:12.400 Exactly? And there's probably no answer to that. There's probably infinite layers, 291 00:22:12.440 --> 00:22:17.079 you know. That's the rust I. Yeah, back to that gray 292 00:22:17.119 --> 00:22:18.680 area that we just kind of have to hang out in and then be comfortable 293 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:23.000 in. We'll take a quick break and be right back for more with Laura 294 00:22:23.079 --> 00:22:30.960 Krantz. You spoke to a fellow by the name of Pete who talked about 295 00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:37.759 the government asking for about twenty two million dollars for a research program into UAPs 296 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:42.880 and ets, and I think Pete said, if the government knew we had 297 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:48.960 aliens, they'd probably ask for more than twenty two million. What do you 298 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:51.559 think of it? Ceze million doesn't buy shit, Like, I mean, 299 00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:55.200 they lose They lost that the other day with that F thirty five bomber, 300 00:22:55.279 --> 00:22:59.839 that just the stealth bomber, like the guy that was so stealthy they could 301 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:03.559 they were like where did it go? Like that's twenty two million dollar probably 302 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:07.359 more. Actually, Yeah, so twenty two millillion does not seem like a 303 00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:08.880 lot of money in the grand I mean, I'll take twenty two million. 304 00:23:08.920 --> 00:23:12.079 If they want to like hand that off to me, I will, and 305 00:23:12.119 --> 00:23:15.119 I'll share some with you. Oh wow, that's generous. Thank you. 306 00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:19.720 I know, I'm very I'm very generous. But that's why we're not already 307 00:23:19.720 --> 00:23:26.319 millionaires. That's what I tell myself anyway. Yeah, but I think if 308 00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:30.559 they were actually really out there looking for aliens, it would be a lot 309 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:33.279 more money. So if they had them here, then they you know, 310 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:37.960 somebody could could confirm that they had maybe you know, ten people, the 311 00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:42.519 ten people on Earth who were privy to this information or something. What would 312 00:23:42.519 --> 00:23:48.039 they I don't I guess if they're asking for more money, it's to either 313 00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:52.640 try and reverse engineer what they found or look for more. Like you said, 314 00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:55.920 what do you what do you think they do with that? Or how 315 00:23:56.000 --> 00:24:00.839 much would they would they want being to it? Yeah? I would put 316 00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:06.559 the money in the one hundred millions, if not into the billions. If 317 00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:11.000 they actually had proof of extraterrestrial advanced extraterrestrial life, I think there would be 318 00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:14.920 a big, big, big fund going on there I also think it would 319 00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:17.200 be more than ten people that would know about it. I mean, look, 320 00:24:17.240 --> 00:24:18.759 how many people were involved in the creation of the atom bomb. Like, 321 00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:23.039 I feel like this is a much much bigger project than that. But 322 00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:26.759 I think reverse engineering trying to figure out, like, you know, are 323 00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:30.119 the elements that are in these types of things the same sorts of elements that 324 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:33.559 you're finding on Earth? Are they something entirely different? Like you would have 325 00:24:33.559 --> 00:24:37.480 a lot of scientists involved in this. I have a feeling, And then 326 00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:42.279 I don't know. There's always people who are claiming that there's bodies with this 327 00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:48.400 stuff, but honestly, sending living creatures through space unless they have figured out 328 00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:51.559 how to go to speed a light, and even if they have figured out 329 00:24:51.559 --> 00:24:55.039 how to go to speed a light, like, you have to go long 330 00:24:55.359 --> 00:24:59.240 distances and you have to keep something alive, and life support systems are no 331 00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:03.119 joke. You're better off sent in robots. They don't have to poop, 332 00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:08.480 they don't get bored, they don't murder their or stab their colleagues for revealing 333 00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:11.880 the end of a book that they were in the middle of reading. Did 334 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:17.240 you hear about this story? Uh? No, this was in the Antarctic 335 00:25:17.359 --> 00:25:22.359 station. Oh, they were wintering over and one of the one guy was 336 00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:25.000 reading a book and the other one was like, he just told him how 337 00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:29.000 it ended, and so he got stabbed and then they had to like get 338 00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:33.519 them out of there. That is familiar. I thought you made a robot 339 00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:37.880 stabbed a human spoil you know, Hunger Games or whatever, Like, I 340 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:45.200 can't believe you told me the end. That's great, I mean it's not. 341 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:49.640 But the thought of aliens or robot aliens stab at each other because you 342 00:25:49.640 --> 00:25:53.599 know spoilers. How you dare? How dare you tell me how the Foundation 343 00:25:53.720 --> 00:26:00.440 trilogy? And asshole? I am reading the secret I am putting out optimism 344 00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:06.920 into the universe. So it would have to be some kind of like interdimensional 345 00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:10.440 thing or something like to get from here to here and be fine, Like 346 00:26:10.519 --> 00:26:14.839 it'd have to be like, you know, kind of a teleportation thing more 347 00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:22.119 than physical flying through space, right like, which you know it's not impossible 348 00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:25.519 with the math. I think I don't know about the math. I'm not 349 00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:26.480 really good with the math. I don't think I want to go back and 350 00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:33.519 take math again. But you know, I think there are some questions about 351 00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:37.400 before we can talk about how things are acting in other dimensions. We have 352 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:41.680 to figure out if there are other dimensions, and that, yeah, that 353 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:45.480 is true. Is the sort of the step ladder of science, right right, 354 00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:48.519 Yeah, that and this is something I'm going to bring up here in 355 00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:52.920 a little bit too. But just more speculation to this stuff. And that's 356 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:56.400 I think that's inherent with living in the gray area that we're talking about. 357 00:26:56.440 --> 00:27:00.920 But I did think it was an interesting point that he may about the money 358 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:06.759 unless they are there's always people who think there are black programs, you know, 359 00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:11.279 dark dark money going into things that nobody knows about. And maybe they're 360 00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:17.559 you know, because the defense budget it just itself for the United States is 361 00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:23.079 ridiculously huge, so who you know, nobody's keeping track of every single sent 362 00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:27.680 No, obviously, like look at how much we spend on toilets in Iraq. 363 00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:33.359 But I think we're keeping better track of funds than we say we are. 364 00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:37.079 Like, the money is not infinite, right, and it does come 365 00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:41.680 from taxes, and it does come from appropriations, and there are some there 366 00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:45.759 is some accountability. It's not great, it could be better, but it 367 00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:52.839 is also not like the military has infinite resources to get whatever it needs whenever 368 00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:57.039 it wants. It however, like it also has to go through channels. 369 00:27:57.200 --> 00:28:02.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that that's true. And yeah, these days 370 00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:07.920 you don't know what they're doing for show and what they're you know, I 371 00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:12.440 don't know. But it does seem like we're moving towards more acceptance of studying 372 00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:15.400 this, which is nice, which I think gets back to the point about 373 00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:18.559 you know, you were asking about Frank Frank Drake and like, do I 374 00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:26.640 feel sad that that channel for looking is disappearing? And part of the reason 375 00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:33.720 I'm also optimistic is because the search for extraterrestrial life has become a more mainstream 376 00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:37.599 science. For a long time, it was pushed to the side. In 377 00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:42.359 nineteen ninety four, there was a senator from Nevada who had like all NASAs 378 00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:48.839 extraterrestrial like SETI researched like he was basically like, you can't have any money 379 00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:52.480 for this at all, stripped it out of the budget, basically just like 380 00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:56.359 cut NASA off at the knees on researching this kind of stuff. Yeah, 381 00:28:56.400 --> 00:29:00.480 and that you know, it's always a risk, Congress is what it is. 382 00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:07.079 But I think the overall acceptance for looking for these kinds of things, 383 00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:10.920 for searching for life or thinking about it in sort of the grand scheme of 384 00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:14.480 like where can life be? What does it look like? Is it my 385 00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:18.559 crobial? Is a big brain like that has become more widely accepted. Yeah, 386 00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:22.759 yeah, which is good. And that senator was not Harry would Read. 387 00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:26.640 He's no, that was. It was Richard Bryan. Richard Bryant. 388 00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:30.400 I think or I might have the first name wrong because Harry Read's been a 389 00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:33.119 big supporter of it. In fact, yeah, Harry Red was. Yeah, 390 00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:37.640 I did I have to go down to Vegas and hang out with the 391 00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:42.480 old Harry. Yeah he was. He's interested, I mean he and I 392 00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:47.680 think what I liked about talking to him is he didn't have any answers. 393 00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:49.880 He's not saying there's aliens out there. He's like, look, I've talked 394 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:52.960 to these people that I like and respect and trust, and they've had weird 395 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:57.240 experiences. And these military people are reporting weird experiences. Let's take a little 396 00:29:57.279 --> 00:30:02.200 pot of money and look into what's going on here. Not a ton just 397 00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:06.160 like two you know, let's ask yeah, twenty two million, which you 398 00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:10.319 know, throw it my way. I think that's a very pragmatic approach to 399 00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:14.720 it, like why not? Yeah, especially if something of such implication, 400 00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:19.559 right, if you have military pilots reporting that they're seeing weird things in the 401 00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:23.079 sky, don't ground them find out what they're seeing, right, Like, 402 00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:26.599 don't pretend it's not there. That's dumb. Yeah. Yeah, And this 403 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:30.799 is where you know, some folks would spin off and say unless they know 404 00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:34.519 what they're seeing, and they don't want them to know. Well, and 405 00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:38.319 you can go to any rabbit hole you go down and go into conspiracy land. 406 00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:41.000 It's just like keep your mind open, but as they say, not 407 00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:45.079 so open that your thanks fall out. Yeah, not everything is a conspiracy. 408 00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:51.039 That'll segue nicely into this next question. You spoke to a decent number 409 00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:56.519 of folks who truly believe ets are either among us or regularly visiting. Was 410 00:30:56.519 --> 00:31:03.000 there any common factor in thought or words or traits that you could tell that 411 00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:07.279 these people shared the believers. I didn't spend enough time with them to like 412 00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:11.720 really get a sense of who they were outside of this fascination. A lot 413 00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:17.599 of are reported seeing the exact same thing, like a cigar shaped object or 414 00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:23.799 a silver disc like those, you know, the descriptions were surprisingly uniform. 415 00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:27.200 I don't know if that is because of what they're seeing is uniform or a 416 00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:32.839 lack of imagination. I'm not entirely sure. Sure, most of them seemed 417 00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:36.920 earnest, most of them, like I didn't feel like there were a lot 418 00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:40.000 of people who were faking it. There were a couple who I was like, 419 00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:45.000 you're I feel like you're taking advantage of an interest in this to further 420 00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:51.279 your own career. Some of the Roswell specialists, I felt that way a 421 00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:55.160 little bit. But a lot of them have seen something weird that they can't 422 00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:59.279 explain and they have questions about. And I think that that is a perfectly 423 00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:04.319 reasonable place to come from for exploration. Sure, if it takes over your 424 00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:07.279 life, if it keeps you from you know, having relationships and having a 425 00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:13.640 job and being a functioning part of society, then I start to wonder a 426 00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:17.039 little bit about what's going on. Yeah, and if this is out of 427 00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:22.279 our purview, you know, let me know. But do you would you 428 00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:27.559 say that there's a need for them to believe or find these things true? 429 00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:30.119 Was that a big factor in their lives? You know? There have been 430 00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:36.119 a couple of studies that have happened recently and Americans on the whole have become 431 00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:42.400 much less religious and much more secular, and I do think that to some 432 00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:45.480 degree, this idea of aliens, this idea of something that's out there that 433 00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:49.799 might be here to help us, that might be looking out for us, 434 00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:53.119 sort of fills that void. I think there is a spiritual element to it 435 00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:59.119 for some people, or people are looking for bigger meaning or feeling like they're 436 00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:01.200 part of something large than just you know, the day to day grind, 437 00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:05.599 and I do think that that is an element of this for some people. 438 00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:08.279 Yeah, yeah, that's interesting, and I think that's a good perspective on 439 00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:13.480 it too, is that there is some need to fill a part of something, 440 00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:16.720 even if that means you are an insignificant little spec I think, you 441 00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:21.839 know, it's an interesting and then that gets into sociology and stuff I would 442 00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:24.640 think, and psychology, and there's all kinds of places you can go from 443 00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:29.799 here, I think, with it and still stay in the science fields. 444 00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:34.519 Yes, so we're still trying to find out where this is circling back, 445 00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:38.720 We're still trying to find out if aliens are visiting us, and so it's 446 00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:44.960 nothing but speculation to try and figure out why. Again, coming back to 447 00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:50.240 that why for everything, But you know, that's also arguably the most fun 448 00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:53.480 part. Yeah, what all did you hear from people on their speculations as 449 00:33:53.480 --> 00:34:00.519 to why aliens Aliens are visiting us? Yeah, Oh, that's a tough 450 00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:04.920 one because a lot of it boils down to people thinking that they're special and 451 00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:07.880 they feel like they've had an experience, they've been visited, and this sort 452 00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:10.840 of fits in with that religion stuff too, as well as like you've had 453 00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:15.440 a miracle or a visitation, or you saw God or you know, the 454 00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:19.320 light at the end of the tunnel. Like, there are some overlap here 455 00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:24.199 in terms of the terminology and the way that it's discussed. Some of the 456 00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:28.559 other arguments I heard is that you know, they're coming to Earth to try 457 00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:31.880 and keep us from blowing ourselves up. And actually, you know, this 458 00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:36.760 is a huge theme in alien movies in like the fifties and sixties, especially 459 00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:39.119 in the wake of the atomic bomb and all of the atomic testing. We 460 00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:44.039 were doing this New Age stuff too. Yeah, there were all these movies 461 00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:47.880 that were about you know, aliens coming and trying to stop us from hurting 462 00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:59.599 ourselves and damage thereby damaging the galaxy. I didn't really hear any great explanations 463 00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:02.960 or why they would be coming here. I mean, you know, if 464 00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:07.599 there is advanced alien life out there, then it's not just us in them. 465 00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:10.599 There are lots of places that they could go. So it could be 466 00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:15.960 that, you know, they're just visiting Earth for a good time, or 467 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:23.480 were like zoo animals were like so backward and unevolved and unsophisticated. That's kind 468 00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:25.400 of like, you know, going to see the monkeys at the zoo. 469 00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:32.000 I don't I don't really buy the idea that they've been to Earth, So 470 00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:37.840 it's hard for me to buy the reasoning for why they would come. The 471 00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:42.480 other thing to think about is sure aliens might have come to visit Earth. 472 00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:47.039 They might have come when Earth was like a mere one or one and a 473 00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:52.079 half billion years old and been like this place is covered with liquid hot magma. 474 00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:53.880 Let's go hang out somewhere else, and they never came back again, 475 00:35:53.960 --> 00:36:00.639 Like why would they only be coming in this very narrow time period where we 476 00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:05.079 are? So yeah, yeah, again that's a that's a small window. 477 00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:10.119 And boy, I've I've heard all kinds of stuff too. But and and 478 00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:15.639 people said on on your podcast that you know, it could be violent. 479 00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:21.960 They could come for resources to strip mind the planet. They that was Hawking. 480 00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:24.119 That was Stephen Hawking that said that one, like, don't you send 481 00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:30.960 the messages out there? Come on? That's fair. It's a conservative take 482 00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:35.079 on it, I think, a very kind of like cautious cautious, Yeah, 483 00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:40.519 cautious take. But does that make sense to you for something to if 484 00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:46.280 they have to physically travel that vast distance, is it just for resources and 485 00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:52.920 violence or would it make more sense to be scientific exploration or like what what 486 00:36:52.960 --> 00:37:00.599 do you think? I would lean more towards scientific explanation or tourisms. I 487 00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:05.280 mean, I guess if they're plopping from planet to the planet and using that 488 00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:07.559 as the next space and strip mining all the resources before they move on to 489 00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:10.920 the next planet. But I mean, I don't know what kind of ethos 490 00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:15.960 that is, Yeah, although I guess it's a human ethos, like let's 491 00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:20.360 hop from place to place. It's not like we have Yeah, And that's 492 00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:24.400 part of I think why people have speculated that before is because that's something we've 493 00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:28.920 done before. So you know, who's to say that they wouldn't do it 494 00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:31.079 as well and we would just be like cattle to them or whatever. But 495 00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:35.039 I mean, obviously they're coming for here for the cows, Like, think 496 00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:37.840 about all the cows that they've beamed up over the years. That's the main 497 00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:44.559 Yeah, like steak, they like a nice wag you and and again this 498 00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:49.119 is just the fun part of it. It's all speculation. There's there's no 499 00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:52.639 no telling well, and I think the yeah, I think the cool part 500 00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:54.079 of all of this is like, and part of the reason that I ended 501 00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:58.960 up doing the book with for the kids, you know, the children, 502 00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:01.920 is there's an element of wonder with all of this, and like the first 503 00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:07.000 step of the scientific method is ask a question, what are you wondering? 504 00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:14.039 And to wonder is very human and I think it's something that children are really 505 00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:17.199 good at and adults kind of phase out of we already have our minds made 506 00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:22.239 up, We've already come to our decisions. Yes, aliens are out there, 507 00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:27.159 No they're not. But encouraging that sense of wonder asking these questions, 508 00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:30.719 like you're going to find to sort of approach the world from a standpoint of 509 00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:37.960 like what if, I think is a really good way to not only understand 510 00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:42.000 your world better, but understand the people around you better too, sort of 511 00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:45.639 thinking about things from different perspectives, wondering what their lives might be, Like, 512 00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:52.000 I just think wonder is so central to being an engaged human, which 513 00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:55.199 is part of the sense that I wanted to create with both the podcast and 514 00:38:55.280 --> 00:39:00.440 the book. That's great, you actually kind of answered the next question because 515 00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:04.199 I was going to turn it back towards this book like season one. You 516 00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:08.079 turned this season into a book geared towards middle grade readers. And yeah, 517 00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:13.400 I think you start at Wonder with a lot of things, and it leads 518 00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:19.199 to critical thinking, It leads to more empathy because you have those different perspectives. 519 00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:22.360 You can think about things in different angles, not just a rigid, 520 00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:28.519 shut, closed minded process. Talk about the book just a little more and 521 00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:32.159 why what it might also be good for that age group and kids of all 522 00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:37.360 ages, just besides that wonder aspect. Yeah, I think the wonder aspect 523 00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:39.719 is a big part. I think too, Like I remember learning about space 524 00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:44.000 and sort of feeling like it was this cold, distant thing, which it 525 00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:47.239 is. But what I wanted to do was sort of use that sense of 526 00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:51.719 wonder to approach it in a way where it's like what we learn about in 527 00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:54.679 space is also what we're learning about here on Earth, Like these things are 528 00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:58.400 not separate. Space is not out there and Earth is not here, like 529 00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:01.239 we are part of a bigger system. Things that are happening here might be 530 00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:07.400 happening on other planets. Like there's just all this cool stuff to learn about 531 00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:15.000 that I think in some ways makes space space more approachable in a way that 532 00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:17.320 I did not feel as a kid. I just felt like it was it 533 00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:22.639 was kind of you had no physics and math and it just felt very off 534 00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:28.239 putting. Yeah, for some reason, it's reminding me of the New Age 535 00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:32.719 stuff again with the as above so below kind of thought that, you know, 536 00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:40.320 the mantra that goes along with New Age teachings and studies. It's it 537 00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:45.280 is interesting to think about and makes it a little more I guess. I 538 00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:50.320 don't know if personal is the right word, but it brings it down to 539 00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:55.079 you to where it's easier to understand and and to follow up on those questions 540 00:40:55.079 --> 00:41:00.320 that you might have. I think it's it's a good, a good cool. 541 00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:05.159 And you know, the book in particular, the art again gorgeous. 542 00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:07.760 I know, didn't he do a good job. He's so amazing, Raphael 543 00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:10.960 Nobrae. You can follow him on Instagram. Actually, he's like he's so 544 00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:15.800 good. He does all these cool illustrations. It's it's really neat seeing this 545 00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:20.440 book and the Search for Sasquatch as well, because it's very vibrant. The 546 00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:23.920 colors, but they're in a theme, like there's a you can see a 547 00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:27.639 color scheme with this, you can see one with the other book and stuff. 548 00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:31.480 I I appreciate those those types of things. But it's a great book. 549 00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:36.960 So tell us where we can pick up a copy of this and find 550 00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:40.599 wild Thing? Yeah, so wild Thing is available wherever you get your podcasts. 551 00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:45.840 I don't think there's any place where it's not available. It's even on 552 00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:49.440 YouTube all it's not it's just the audio. Sorry, guys. I don't 553 00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:52.480 have the skills to do video yet. Someday, someday I will. That 554 00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:57.239 takes so much work, I know. And the book is available I think 555 00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:02.679 pretty much all of the online places that you normally get books, and you 556 00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:06.559 know, I'm trying to encourage independent bookstores to carry it. If you go 557 00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:09.280 into your independent bookstore and you cannot find it, please ask them to carry 558 00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:12.920 it because that's great for me. And also, if you read it and 559 00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:15.559 you like it, please leave me a review because that is really the best 560 00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:20.840 way to get the word out for both the podcast and the book. Review 561 00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:24.320 word of mouth is hands down the best advertising I can get. Yep, 562 00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:29.239 and it's free. It doesn't cost to leave a review or to talk about 563 00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:32.400 this stuff. So again, the book is called Is There Anybody out There? 564 00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:37.199 The author is Laura Krantz. Laura, thanks for returning to Blurry Photos. 565 00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:39.880 I appreciate it anytime. This is a lot of fun. Thanks for 566 00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:46.079 having me. Thanks once again to Laura for coming back on the show. 567 00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:52.440 You can find her book and podcasts at Laura Krantz dot com and by searching 568 00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:58.519 for wild Thing on any podcatcher. I'll also have links to her page in 569 00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:02.239 the show notes for you. You can check out more paranormal topics taken not 570 00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:07.840 too seriously by searching for Hysteria fifty one, which I co host with Brent 571 00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:10.559 Hand. You can find a bunch of trivia by listening to Quiz Quiz Bang 572 00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:15.559 Bang. Just search for that on any podcaster, and you can find the 573 00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:21.760 audiobooks I have narrated by searching for David Flora on Audible or Amazon. Thank 574 00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:25.159 you for listening and for this episode of Blurry Photos, I have been David 575 00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:29.440 Uffloora. Don't stop BLURRYVN