WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:05.240 Welcome to the nonprofit. We scour the Internet searching for proof of deities and 2 00:00:05.360 --> 00:00:10.359 the supernatural. Despite not finding information to convince us of the existence of any 3 00:00:10.400 --> 00:00:14.480 god, We're here to tell you what we have found. So buckle up 4 00:00:14.519 --> 00:00:24.920 because the show is starting now. Hello, Hello, Hello, and welcome 5 00:00:24.960 --> 00:00:28.879 back to another episode of the Nonprofits, the show where we discuss news and 6 00:00:28.920 --> 00:00:33.520 topics of the day from a skeptical humanist perspective. My name is Cynthia, 7 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:38.920 and today I am joined by some fellow infidels, blasphemers, heathens, and 8 00:00:39.039 --> 00:00:43.920 nonbelievers. Starting to my far left. I would like to introduce our local 9 00:00:43.960 --> 00:00:47.079 pagan on the panel, Miss helling Green. How are you, darling? 10 00:00:47.479 --> 00:00:52.280 I am wonderful. Hello everybody, Hello Internet, and just so you know, 11 00:00:53.000 --> 00:01:00.759 magic existing your heart. Let's be fined right now. It's great. 12 00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:08.200 Well, next up is another fellow blasphema, and I'm so happy that we're 13 00:01:08.239 --> 00:01:12.480 finally working together. Hello, mister Jimmy Junior. How are you? Hello, 14 00:01:12.599 --> 00:01:15.840 Cynthia, Hello, panel, it's great to be here. How are 15 00:01:15.879 --> 00:01:19.879 you guys doing? I hope well, I'm doing great and really excited. 16 00:01:21.040 --> 00:01:23.640 Let's get this show on the road. That's right. I love it. 17 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:29.439 I love it. And last, but definitely not least, is our special 18 00:01:29.599 --> 00:01:37.439 guest for this day. We have a new face, the Cross Examiner. 19 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:41.400 Hello, how are you today. I'm doing great. I'm really excited to 20 00:01:41.439 --> 00:01:45.719 be here. I've watched ACA comment for years excuse me, content for years, 21 00:01:45.719 --> 00:01:48.200 and I am super excited to be working with all of you. You 22 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:51.560 know, we're excited to be working with you as well. I was just 23 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:56.319 saying to the panel in the background that you know sometimes said when we're doing 24 00:01:56.359 --> 00:01:59.319 some of these shows, especially when we're talking about the law, I'm like, 25 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:04.000 I need lawyer, I need a lawyer, and everyone commented says, 26 00:02:04.120 --> 00:02:08.400 no one ever. So I am really happy that you're here. And won't 27 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:12.800 you just tell us this a little bit about yourself? Sure? Sure, 28 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:16.199 Well I'm an atheist and I'm an attorney, some would say a recovering attorney. 29 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:23.000 I don't practice as much anymore, but I've started a podcast and I'm 30 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:28.000 looking to volunteer my time to help examine the intersection of religion and government. 31 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:30.599 And I thought what a better way to volunteer than to offer to help out 32 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:34.400 here. And you know what, and we are very grateful that you had 33 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:38.240 decided to do that, and I'm so excited to hear your take on these 34 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:40.879 articles. So with that being said, guys, you're ready to get into 35 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:46.360 it, let's do it all right, all right now, before we actually 36 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:49.199 get into what, I have stuff to say, like, this is a 37 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:53.199 show of the product. This is actually a show that is a product of 38 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:58.639 the Atheist Community of Austin, a five or one C three nonprofit organization dedicated 39 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:04.120 to the promoting of atheism, critical thinking, secular humanism, and the separation 40 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:08.520 of religion and government. And today we're going to talk about some things. 41 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:14.400 In our first segment, we want to talk about Texas wanting chaplains in public 42 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:21.800 schools. Next segment, we have a wt F Florida, Florida teachers beside 43 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:27.680 designed beside, I cannot say that name, but they're really upset about these 44 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:31.319 draconian laws as going on in Florida. Next up, we have Columbia, 45 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:38.360 Columbus drag queens rather thanking their haters. And finally we're going to wrap it 46 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:43.400 up with a strange but true with a new theory that may explain our existence. 47 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:46.280 And as with all of our shows, links to today's topics and the 48 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:51.719 news, we discuss are available in a description below, and as a reminder 49 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:55.159 that if you want to come into the show prepared, you can check out 50 00:03:55.159 --> 00:04:01.560 the nonprofit spacebook fan page every Friday night for a list of the article's head 51 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:05.400 of time. And with that being said, we're going to go ahead and 52 00:04:05.439 --> 00:04:10.800 take it to segment number one and the cross Examiner. This is all you 53 00:04:11.360 --> 00:04:15.599 great, thank you. So first we're dealing with an article entitled Texas plan 54 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:19.879 to put Chaplains in public schools is latest move to inject Christianity. It's published 55 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:27.839 in the Dallas News by Talia Richmond and Ali Morris on May eleventh, twenty 56 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:32.040 three. The article actually covers three different bills. One is hiring chaplains, 57 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:38.439 one is mandating ten Commandments in the schools, and finally the third one is 58 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:44.360 mandating a prayer period or Bible reading or other religious text reading in the schools. 59 00:04:44.920 --> 00:04:48.000 So I was wondering what people's take on this was. Obviously, I 60 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:51.839 look at all three of these and think before this current court, these would 61 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:58.319 all be an easy, no brain unconstitutional. But now after the decision last 62 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:01.240 year that got rid of what's called the Lemon test that the conservatives hated, 63 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:05.920 we have to re examine this. So what are your thoughts, Jimmy, 64 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:10.800 Yeah, thank you. Initially, my thought is that we're going backwards in 65 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:15.439 texts again and the so called Party of Freedom and Small Government once proving, 66 00:05:15.720 --> 00:05:20.680 once again proving their agenda to the country by seeking to enact these laws. 67 00:05:21.199 --> 00:05:26.199 I don't have to tell you that this is a violation of the constitutional principle 68 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:30.480 where we shouldn't be experiencing a state sponsored religion. I almost wonder, though, 69 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:35.600 if there are some loopholes here for this argument to potentially be exploited by 70 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:42.600 the religious extremist conservatives. And I also wonder if there's precedence in the United 71 00:05:42.639 --> 00:05:46.120 States military, consider the chaplain Corps, which is literally paid to be a 72 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:51.079 source of religion as well as a counselor to those experiencing some kind of mental 73 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:56.560 health crises or needing mental health assistance. So as first excuse me, first 74 00:05:56.560 --> 00:06:00.000 off, as far as the loophole is concerned, and I'm glad that we 75 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:04.000 have the cross Examiner here to kind of bounce these ideas off of. But 76 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:10.000 Texas is not technically the state, it's the government, so the same rules 77 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:14.319 should apply. But in a strict constructionist view of the Constitution. What the 78 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:16.959 Constitution actually refers to is the federal government in the country. I'm not actually 79 00:06:16.959 --> 00:06:19.720 sure if we've heard this argument before, but that kind of just pops to 80 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:25.000 my mind. I do know that under the fourteenth Amendment, equal protection under 81 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:29.279 the law, no one religion can be advanced or inhibited by the government. 82 00:06:29.319 --> 00:06:35.199 So for any of these kind of Christian values to seek seep into the schools, 83 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:40.079 it really opens up a door for other religions as well. Right, 84 00:06:40.120 --> 00:06:43.800 so this might be an ideal time for the Satanic Church or maybe some other 85 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:46.600 pagan religions, etc. To kind of try and put their own chaplains in 86 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:50.519 place. I know in the military we only have and I say we because 87 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:55.600 I am an active member of the military. I maintain an affiliation. I 88 00:06:55.959 --> 00:06:59.199 was in the military for thirteen and a half years before it made my recent 89 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:03.160 transition back into academia and I'm starting a new job teaching at the collegiate level. 90 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:06.560 But I do have some experience with chaplains, and I do know that 91 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:11.160 there are only four religions represented in the Chaplain Corps, so they kind of 92 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:15.800 alienate a lot of others, and I think maybe there is an intent to 93 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:20.160 to prop up one religion here by schools in Texas and alienate others, And 94 00:07:20.240 --> 00:07:24.800 so these are kind of my initial thoughts. There's the argument of legal precedents, 95 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:27.079 you know that that's kind of the one I'm making. And I always 96 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:31.360 chuckle when I hear chaplain and health professionals kind of being conflated into the same 97 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:35.319 thing, because I think anyone and I'm maybe a little harsh here, but 98 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:39.439 uh, you know, this is kind of the place for it. Anyone 99 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:43.879 who is actively indoctrinated to thinking that two penguins waddled from Antartica to get on 100 00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:47.959 a five hundred footboat in the Middle East that could hold eight million animal species 101 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:51.680 is probably not in the right frame of mind to give me mental health advice, 102 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:55.800 you know. And then if you believe that it's okay that God raped 103 00:07:55.800 --> 00:07:59.079 a teenager so she could give birth to his son and that he would later 104 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:01.639 murder him, you know, I don't I don't understand how healthcare and chat 105 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:07.680 and chaplaincy really kind of cross. But anyway, there are some arguments here 106 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:11.120 that I have, Uh, you know, one, these children are nothing 107 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:15.160 but pawns to grow a religious base for people who want to use Christianity to 108 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:18.360 seize and retain power, offering solutions to weak and vulnerable and exchange for money 109 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:22.720 and support. I think that's pretty typical of how religion is successful. I 110 00:08:22.759 --> 00:08:26.720 think that they use children to do that. I think it's unconstitutional, plan 111 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:30.160 and simple. Lawmakers in Texas are fully aware but do not care. The 112 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:33.080 Republican Party, I think, just as corrupt is probably the Catholic Church, 113 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:37.039 and they're they're using each other, or Christian institutions in general, kind of 114 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:39.639 using each other to prop each other up and support each other's interests. And 115 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:43.600 then kind of a radical theory I have, but I really at this point 116 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:46.879 don't think there's any reason why churches shouldn't be paying taxes. Uh, they've 117 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:50.919 already kind of infiltrated our government, right. I think that they're kind of 118 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:54.960 the argument that churches, you know, if their tax can you know, 119 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:58.559 support political candidates and influence our government is kind of a weak one. So 120 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:01.840 anyway, I think already there those are my initial thoughts. Thanks for my 121 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:05.559 little spiel, giving me my spield, Helen any thoughts on everything I just 122 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:11.000 said or anything I just said. I mean, it is one of those 123 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:16.200 things that those of us that have to experience these things are very passionate about. 124 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:20.159 Like I live in Florida, and I'm again reminded like Texas and Florida 125 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:24.360 are in this weird dick wagon contest going on of who can be the theocracy 126 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:28.519 first, and I'm just over here going like, woll constitution, y'all. 127 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:35.559 Constitution yall. So it's a little frustrating when you're experienced it firsthand, and 128 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:37.480 and also too, like I want to point out that I'm an atheist. 129 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:41.080 I think all religion is silly. All of it's silly, but I do 130 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:48.399 want to recognize that if you introduce one religion into into any form of government, 131 00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:52.440 whether whether it's a school, veterans affairs building, whatever it is, 132 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:58.000 that's supposed to at that separation, as soon as someone that walks in from 133 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:01.799 a different religion or non religious or just a secular person, they're going to 134 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:07.759 feel isolated, they're going to feel differentiated, and they're going to adjust themselves 135 00:10:07.799 --> 00:10:13.720 in certain ways to get the things that need to happen done, or it 136 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:18.480 gives people they're like, oh, I have special privilege now and to treat 137 00:10:18.679 --> 00:10:22.759 people as others. And that's my major concern with this and we luckily we 138 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:26.799 found out before we were recording that this didn't pass. And I think that's 139 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:31.559 really really great. But it was because of technical errors. It wasn't because 140 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:37.320 this isn't it's absolutely unconstitutional. But I'm glad that there's been a little, 141 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:43.840 you know, a little little chink in the systems so other secular groups can 142 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:48.519 maybe you know, get some legal stuff going on and maybe prevent this from 143 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:52.960 going in any further because you know they're going to reintroduce it, you know 144 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:54.440 they are, so it would be nice that we had a little bit more 145 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:58.879 time. What do you think about that, Cynthia, Yeah, I think 146 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:03.840 that they probably will, but I'm really curious to, you know, get 147 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:07.840 the cross examiners take on this, because like we paid him the big bucks 148 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:13.399 to be here being a lawyer at all, so as much as you guys 149 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:26.440 got money. So yeah, all right, So, um, first to 150 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:28.960 issue a correction, the mild correction. I think the bill that didn't clear 151 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:33.559 was the Ten Commandments one, which, right, like very important as far 152 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:37.720 as the uh chaplains go. I think Jimmy, your insight was spot on. 153 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:43.840 Uh. There's three historical areas that the Supreme Court has allowed government to 154 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:50.399 pay for chaplains that is in the military, that is in prisons, and 155 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:54.399 that is in legislatures. And they've argued the reason they gave and none of 156 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:58.200 those we were under the were viewed under the Lemon test, which they got 157 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:01.519 rid of last year, so that logic's probably is still going to hold. 158 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:05.840 And with soldiers and prisoners, of the court said, hey, we're uprooting 159 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:09.039 these people from their communities and they will be denied of these services, so 160 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:16.000 it makes sense to do this. And with soldiers and legislative chaplains, they 161 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:20.919 said, we've been paying for that since before the constitution, so obviously it 162 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:24.120 was okay with the founders. So that's the logic that's that was applied there. 163 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:28.639 We can differentiate this Texas bill. Students aren't soldiers, they're not prisoners, 164 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:33.759 they're not legislators, they have not been uprooted from their community. They 165 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:37.960 have access to religious services. As they say, you can't swing a dead 166 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:43.639 cat in Texas without hitting a church, right, So also children, Yeah, 167 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:54.879 and more to Jimmy's point, children are more impressionable than soldiers and legislators 168 00:12:54.879 --> 00:13:00.600 and prisoners. They are less likely to object to inappropriate instruction and due to 169 00:13:00.759 --> 00:13:05.360 laws mandating participation in school their captive audience. You know they're right for the 170 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:11.759 picking, so to speak. So a side note, Historically, the Supreme 171 00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:16.799 Court in many cases has cited an event before the Constitution was even created where 172 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:22.480 Virginia tried to pass a law to pay for Christian teachers and who but Madison 173 00:13:22.639 --> 00:13:28.840 and Jefferson rose up against that bill and wrote extensive documents. Madison wrote his 174 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:33.759 famous memorial and Remonstrance against religious assessments, and Jefferson pushed for a bill that 175 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:39.320 was called the Bill Establishing Religious Freedom, and the Supreme Court, over time 176 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:43.639 and time again, starting as far back as eighteen seventy nine, have cited 177 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:48.720 that as to why we don't pay for religious instruction, which, let's face 178 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:50.360 it, that's what's going to happen with these chaplains. One last point on 179 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:54.519 this. Australia started this back in twenty eleven and it's been a disaster. 180 00:13:54.679 --> 00:14:00.360 You get everything you expect. You get complaints that chaplains are proselytizing. Aplains 181 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:03.559 are distributing literature saying that condoms don't work and being gay is bad. They 182 00:14:03.600 --> 00:14:07.840 even had a professor say a student came to her and said that she talked 183 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:11.799 to a chaplain who had about her eating disorder, and the chaplain said, 184 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:15.840 well, you're just hungry, hungry for the Lord. So that's what Texas 185 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:20.200 is trying to do. It should be a home run. But this chord, 186 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:22.919 of course, is a mystery to everybody. So we're all watching this. 187 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:26.720 What are your thoughts to Cynthiana final thoughts? First off, I'm like 188 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:31.840 infuriated that they want to tell a little a little person, um that you're 189 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:35.000 hungry for the Lord, so don't eat them chips that slapped them with the 190 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:41.440 baggage. But um, yeah, I want to keep my violence to myself. 191 00:14:45.559 --> 00:14:48.080 But you know, UM, there was a couple of things actually, 192 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:54.200 um that I um, I had I had saw in the article that you 193 00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:58.840 know, was intriguing to me. Um, specifically, UM, a couple 194 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:01.559 of well, actually, there was a couple of our quotes that disturbed me. 195 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:07.960 One of the ones was the scale of transformation and spiritual renewal resulting from 196 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:15.519 the school chaplain program might be described as revival. The website reads, millions 197 00:15:15.559 --> 00:15:20.600 of young people and adults in their lives are going to be one to the 198 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:28.480 Gospel of Jesus Christ. And disciples in the name of Jesus. Discipleship involves 199 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:33.919 training to win and disciples others. You know, I would really love to 200 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:37.799 ask the person who actually came up with this particular you know, bang on 201 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:45.919 thought pattern or is there any empirical evidence that shows a school chaplain or this 202 00:15:46.200 --> 00:15:50.840 back put God back in schools? Actually stop? I don't know mass shootings 203 00:15:50.960 --> 00:15:58.200 anybody. Thought and prayers, Cynthia, thoughts and prayers. One important fact 204 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:02.720 about this law, and I will read it for you. The last sentence 205 00:16:02.759 --> 00:16:06.039 of the first section of the law says, quote a chaplain employed by or 206 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:08.840 volunteering, because you can volunteer under this chapter, is not required to be 207 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:12.960 certified by the state Board for educator certification. So they don't even have to 208 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:15.879 know how to teach. They don't know about mental health, and they don't 209 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:19.440 know how to have to know how to teach. So I that's another issue 210 00:16:19.480 --> 00:16:23.559 that I have with this because like I believe, like when I was just 211 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:26.960 reading, oh, actually this is like. The third quote that really disturbed 212 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:33.039 me was from a representative goal Hefner, who is a Republican from Mount Pleasant, 213 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:40.799 said, the plan is going is about giving school districts every tool that 214 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:48.440 we can in the toolbox to combat mental health problems and other crises. And 215 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:55.480 again, if you don't have to necessarily have psychiatric training or trained to be 216 00:16:55.519 --> 00:17:02.559 a school counselor or trained to even teach, how are you giving any tool 217 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:08.039 in the toolbox for these specific people to be able to combat mental health problems 218 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:12.279 and other crises. Can someone answer that question for me? Ask Texas M 219 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:26.039 I love, I love. They're probably making it worse. I mean, 220 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:30.119 giving giving resources to students who are struggling uh that will not help them or 221 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:33.799 are not trained to help them, can could potentially make their their uh, 222 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:37.400 their polite exacerbated, you know. And so that's that's kind of a dangerous 223 00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:41.279 move in my opinion, to put non professionals in the in the realm of 224 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:45.599 children and call it mental health. Yeah, I agree. I UM, 225 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:48.799 I was the same, Incent didn't um. If you don't mind, Cross, 226 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:52.359 I would love you to give us some final thoughts on this. Um. 227 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:56.599 Oh absolutely, you know, I UM. I was. I was 228 00:17:56.640 --> 00:18:00.279 a teacher once in my life. I don't have many many occupations, and 229 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:07.079 I just know that like the schools, the school that I was teaching that 230 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:11.119 was an alternative school, this is like the last time for these children to 231 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:15.720 shine, and we had and I know that for me specifically, it was 232 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:21.960 a hell of a time being there because in some cases I knew that what 233 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:27.440 these children needed was a bit more, was more trained professionals, especially when 234 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:32.720 it came to therapy, like and also school counselors. And because like a 235 00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:37.880 lot of these kids were wards of the state. They were they experienced violence 236 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:41.160 and crises in their lives. They you know, some of them, some 237 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:45.680 of them had parents that were in prison. There's different things of that nature 238 00:18:45.079 --> 00:18:49.640 that you know, they were coming into the school system already traumatized. So 239 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:53.319 a lot of times this is a supposed to be a safe space for them 240 00:18:53.559 --> 00:18:57.279 where they're able to you know, not only learn, but be able to 241 00:18:57.319 --> 00:19:02.599 speak with licensed professionals to help me help them work through their issues that they're 242 00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:07.279 dealing with, whether they're environmental or also internal. And and to think that 243 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:11.240 any UM professional who would call them, you know, that's a chaplain only 244 00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:19.400 UM credibility or was just I've been ordained, minister. I took some classes 245 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:25.319 about Bible reading. Is the quote is the qualification that we're going with. 246 00:19:25.759 --> 00:19:29.279 And and of course, like even though like Jimmy, you mentioned that the 247 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:34.160 military only has like poor religions represented, and I'm pretty sure the majority of 248 00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:37.680 them is Judeo Christians. Um, you know we okay, Bank, how 249 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:41.480 did I guess that? And I know nothing about the military, so for 250 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:47.519 my dad was in it. So I'm just thinking that we see overwhelmingly, 251 00:19:47.720 --> 00:19:53.200 especially with this whole push about getting actual the Ten Commandments into classroom, that 252 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:57.680 the represented religion is going to be Christian. Let's just keep it above and 253 00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:02.799 and and I and I that they would even the stink of and as you 254 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:07.559 guys pointed out that you know, chaplains are in prisons and military are around 255 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:11.079 adults, they've already you know, can choose whatever religion that they want to 256 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:15.759 be. But you know, children are impressional, and that's the that's the 257 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:19.640 that's the part that really makes me just so disgusted. Um, And I'm 258 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:22.880 going to be quiet now, and if you would, the cross examiner, 259 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:26.759 please, you know, give us some of your final thoughts about this, 260 00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:29.440 and then we'll go ahead and move on. Sure, I'll just respond to 261 00:20:29.480 --> 00:20:32.519 a couple of things you said, because you're all spot on. So the 262 00:20:32.559 --> 00:20:37.200 most recent thing about you asking what percent of the counselors or the chaplains would 263 00:20:37.240 --> 00:20:41.880 be Christian, which let's look at Australia ninety seven percent jees ninety seven percent, 264 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:47.880 and the Australian Christian population represents sixty four percent of their population. So 265 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:51.119 again, we know what's going to happen. This is what you're going to 266 00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:53.680 hear. Lots of arguments from the politicians said, oh, this is nondenominational 267 00:20:53.880 --> 00:20:57.839 and they're just there to we know why they're doing this. Okay, um, 268 00:20:57.839 --> 00:21:02.839 But to Helen's and your point about the impressionability of kids, I wrote 269 00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:06.319 up a little experiment that I might have done if we got into depth on 270 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:07.960 the period of prayer bill, but I decided not to do it, and 271 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:14.119 now I'm going to do it again because it's odd unto you. So we 272 00:21:14.200 --> 00:21:18.119 know that the Lemon tests that went away last year was a test about the 273 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:22.799 First Amendment, the establishment clause and the free exercise clause, and the supposed 274 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:27.039 tention between those two clauses. But there's another clause of the Constitution that Jimmy 275 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:32.079 mentioned, which is the fourteenth Amendment, the Equal Protection Amendment. There's papers 276 00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:34.480 out there from a lot of professors saying lawyers aren't using that argument enough, 277 00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:37.759 and they need to start doing it. And it's going to be definitely applicable 278 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:42.319 in the period of prayer bill that they're trying to do, where you can 279 00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:45.880 opt out if you want. But back in nineteen forty eight, the court 280 00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:49.000 struck down a very similar law where you could opt out, and they did 281 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:52.440 it on First Amendment grounds. But I'm viewing it as this is separate but 282 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:56.039 equal two point zero. This is Brown versus Board of Education. So what 283 00:21:56.079 --> 00:22:00.880 I'd like to end on is just read the operative sentence is from Brown versus 284 00:22:00.880 --> 00:22:06.000 Board of Education, but replace the words concerning race with words concerning religion and 285 00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:07.599 see how that holds up. And I hope, I hope the Texas courts 286 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:11.000 are listening. I'm going to write their opinion for them right now. So 287 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:12.920 I'm just going to read that real quickly. This is what the court said 288 00:22:12.920 --> 00:22:18.240 in Brown versus Boards of Education. To separate children from others of similar age 289 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:22.720 and qualifications solely because of their religious beliefs generates a feeling of inferiority as to 290 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:26.319 their status in the community that may affect their hearts and minds in a way 291 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:32.480 unlikely ever to be undone. This effect of this separation on their educational opportunities 292 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:36.559 was well stated by a finding in the Kansas case that they're reviewing, where 293 00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:41.680 they said segregation of religious and atheist children in public schools has a detrimental effect 294 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:45.519 on the atheist children. The impact is greater when it has the sanction of 295 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:49.680 the law, for the policy of separating the religious from the irreligious is usually 296 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:56.200 interpreted as denoting the inferiority of the irreligious group. A sense of the inferiority 297 00:22:56.400 --> 00:23:00.240 affects the motivation of the child to learn. Segregation with the same from the 298 00:23:00.319 --> 00:23:04.240 law therefore as a tendency to retard the educational and mental development of irreligious children 299 00:23:04.359 --> 00:23:08.039 and to deprive them of some of the benefits that they would receive in a 300 00:23:08.119 --> 00:23:15.440 secular school system. That's what Texas courts should say to this, you know, 301 00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:33.440 talk Supreme Court Brown versus Board of Education to me adment. That's all 302 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:44.640 I'm talking about every day. That that was great, and thank you so 303 00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:48.319 much, Panel, and also especially if to you cross examiner for actually bringing 304 00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:52.480 that into this conversation. It would be really nice if I don't know, 305 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:56.720 courts would go by President that was already set about a lot of these things 306 00:23:56.880 --> 00:24:02.519 years and years ago. 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Do no or doso that's not the word. Don't just take 335 00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:07.680 us into God is being silly, but go ahead take us into the second 336 00:26:08.359 --> 00:26:17.920 So so um, this article um is a great article by the Guardian. 337 00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:22.720 I'm written by Stephen Greenhouse on May thirteenth of twenty twenty three, and this 338 00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:26.559 is an article about the point of intimidation floor. Did you just be sieged 339 00:26:26.599 --> 00:26:30.880 by draconian laws? Now? I suggest you read this article because not only 340 00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:33.200 does it affect us in the state of Florida, this could this is going 341 00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:37.039 around on a lot of other states in the country. So this is a 342 00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:41.559 very important point. We have to talk about how these laws are directly affecting 343 00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:45.079 the people there are the front line. So I'm going to take this to 344 00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:52.440 Jimmy since he's my fellow Floridian and I would like to get get his opinion 345 00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:59.400 on what's happening in our state. Well, I'm gonna try and off on 346 00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:02.039 this one, you know, like I did on the last one, because 347 00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:07.440 reading these articles, it's really easy to get overwhelmed with like just discussed more 348 00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:12.200 more attacks on the children. And you know, it's obvious that the government 349 00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:18.640 in Florida think that children are an easy target to kind of push their religious 350 00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:22.519 agenda. And it's something that we should all be very well aware and combatting 351 00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:26.279 to the max extent that we can. Uh, you know, calling what 352 00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:32.440 teachers are doing in schools today woe is really just kind of the pot calling 353 00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:37.400 the kettle black or excuse me, not woke, My bad calling it grooming. 354 00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:41.759 Um, you know, the religious institutions are the experts on grooming, 355 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:47.519 right, uh, And to get children to believe horribly grotesque concepts, to 356 00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:52.000 include keeping or remaining silent when they're experience sexual abuse is the ultimate grooming, 357 00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:57.480 right, and we know that the church historically has been a really big perpetrator 358 00:27:57.519 --> 00:28:02.160 of that, probably the biggest. And so I think the Santis and company, 359 00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:04.680 you know, are not really kind of being honest with what they're trying 360 00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:10.720 to achieve. There's there's a lot to unpack here. It's it's the religious 361 00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:15.240 undertones that are trying to seek into the schools again, but it's also you 362 00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:19.400 know, the people on the right trying to suppress what is being taught in 363 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:22.680 schools by calling it woke when it's really just history. Right. It's something 364 00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:26.119 that we all need to be aware of, and there's no point in trying 365 00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:32.119 to curtail our curriculum to maintain this kind of Southern pride, this Southern ego. 366 00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:37.160 So you know, those are my initial thoughts. Wanted to see what 367 00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:41.599 the Cross Examiner had to say about that. I agree with you. I 368 00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:47.759 think what struck me when I read this is the reliance by the conservative movement, 369 00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:52.440 the Christian nationalist fascist movement that's taking over this country on what we would 370 00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:55.880 call in the legal profession to be polite, counter factual evidence, like you 371 00:28:55.920 --> 00:29:00.319 know, evidence that's not exactly agree with them. They just lie about that's 372 00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:03.839 what they do. When the story said that when Santa de Santas signed the 373 00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:07.240 Don't Say Woke Bill, as it's called, he said, quote, no 374 00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:12.359 one should be instructed to feel shamed because of their race. That is not 375 00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:19.039 happening. There's zero evidence presented anywhere that there's any teachers saying you should feel 376 00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:22.720 ashamed of your race because of your heritage. None. What is actually happening 377 00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:26.279 is that schools are teaching the plain facts of history, and those facts are 378 00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:30.279 not the rosy shining city on a heel story that the conservatives were told when 379 00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:34.000 they're growing up, and that makes them feel bad and to crib from a 380 00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:40.839 few good men. They can't handle the truth. You who are the snowflakes? 381 00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:41.920 Now right? That's that's the kin. You know what else is in 382 00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:47.200 happening, trans people are not coming for your kids. What is happening is 383 00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:51.799 pastors and priests are We just had a report yesterday out of Illinois, thousands 384 00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:57.079 of kids were molested by the Catholic church in Illinois. Last month Baltimore six 385 00:29:57.160 --> 00:30:02.240 hundred more more kids. You know what else isn't happening. Young kids are 386 00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:06.640 not getting transition surgery. What is happening is Christian parents are sending their gay 387 00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:10.240 children to the torture that is known as conversion therapy. Now, all of 388 00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:12.200 these things, what they sell you is not what's happening. It's just like 389 00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:15.920 there are no elections being stolen. What is happening. In Texas, Lieutenant 390 00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:21.400 Governor Dan Patrick had to pay out twenty five thousand dollars to a Democrat after 391 00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:25.839 he offered reward for evidence of election tampering, and the Democrats said, here 392 00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:30.160 you go. The Republicans are doing it. So yeah, they just lie, 393 00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:34.119 cheat and steal. And the amount that they get away with is quite 394 00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:38.640 stunning. Quite frankly, I understand totally if if teachers want to get out 395 00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:42.279 of Florida, I would if I were them, But it might create this 396 00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:47.480 positive feedback loop of well education decreases. Now you have a generation of kids 397 00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:49.720 who don't appreciate critical thinking, so they support more of these bills, so 398 00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:53.960 you have fewer teachers, etc. Etc. So that's that's my take on 399 00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:57.519 And I'm sure you have something to say, Cynthia. Yeah. Actually to 400 00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:02.359 just I'm solve to you the point that the last point that you made, 401 00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:06.599 UM, I did happen to look in the article when we talked about UM, 402 00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:10.920 they actually have a teacher shortage. If I believe that, if I'm 403 00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:15.799 trying to see specifically, I believe that it's over five out if I'm not 404 00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:19.960 mistaken. Yeah, they have like a teacher. They have the teacher the 405 00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:26.279 shortage UM right now. And it's kind of crazy that you have. And 406 00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:30.279 and a lot of these teachers were talking specifically about how they're not really sure 407 00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:37.240 how to teach certain things because they're concerned that they'll be doomed. What they 408 00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:41.359 say will be to woke or or it will be you know, I may 409 00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:48.200 say gay. Um, like if if a student comes to me and says, 410 00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:52.279 I have these particular feelings that I am, you know that I'm attracted 411 00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:56.400 to you know, the same sex that I am. You know I we 412 00:31:56.440 --> 00:32:00.519 can't talk about that, even though that I would hope that of a person 413 00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:06.720 that you trust would be an authority position would be like a teacher to talk 414 00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:10.480 about these particular things with them, but that UM, but they can't because 415 00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:15.160 they might get into trouble or if um one of the things that UM I 416 00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:23.400 was even reading specifically when we're looking at UM don't stop the don't say them 417 00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:28.000 you know, stop woke Bille and UM. And as you mentioned Graham, 418 00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:32.119 the whole thing about you know, no child should be should be ashamed to 419 00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:39.599 be of their race. But if you are purposely taking African American history out 420 00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:45.119 of high school classes, um, or you have to teach in a certain 421 00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:47.839 way where we can mention Jim Crow, where we're just going to gloss over 422 00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:52.319 it in the way that the Daughters of the Confederacy wanted to do it when 423 00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:55.599 we presented those McGraw hill book books back in the day. And you are 424 00:32:55.759 --> 00:33:02.319 teaching another racial group that they're right event to the entire American experiment and the 425 00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:10.240 recently I wanted to talk about specifically what of what when it comes to Florida. 426 00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:13.200 Oh yeah, and this is this is what I want to say. 427 00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:17.160 Previously, Yes, they are forty eighth in teachers pay, and they are 428 00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:22.119 suffering from a shoulder to over four five thousand, three hundred teachers. So 429 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:25.079 these people are already overworked and underpaid, and now you want to put a 430 00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:29.640 bit on what they teach as well, and that's insane. But you know, 431 00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:34.440 the main people that they are attacking with these particular draconian laws. And 432 00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:42.039 thank you for saying besieged. I could not say besieged to save my life 433 00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:47.079 beside like, oh my god, I went to college and but you know, 434 00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:50.960 but one of the things that I um that I and I keep saying 435 00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:54.279 this every time that I see yet another horrible thing coming out of Florida, 436 00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:59.319 is that the main people that are under attacking Florida are LGQ people, women 437 00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:04.960 and black. And I'm not being an alarmist. This is what the laws 438 00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:08.159 that have come out are saying to you. If you are a woman, 439 00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:15.280 there is a six week ban on abortion in your state. And also in 440 00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:17.960 an article, one of the teachers pointed out that a student starts their period 441 00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:22.280 and it's not sure what to do. She couldn't possibly talk to them about 442 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:29.440 it because the bullshit stop walk law if you are black. The Santists announced 443 00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:34.159 that his administration has abruptly ban high school students from enrolling in the college level 444 00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:37.440 of course about African American history, and according to news reports, the Governor's 445 00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:45.239 Education Agency has disallowed public student school students from enrolling in a new advanced place 446 00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:50.159 in the African American Studies course, claiming that it lacks educational value. In 447 00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:57.440 its rejection letter, the agency also claimed that the course runs inexpectedly, inexpectably. 448 00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:07.159 I went to college trary to Florida, my gosh um. Okay, 449 00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:14.360 So they're saying that begging the question of what contra a contrariness, contrariness, 450 00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:17.880 contrariness state officials have in mind. By the way, begging the question is 451 00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:23.119 a logical faun So. And another bill, Senate Bill ninety requires people to 452 00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:29.480 apply This is another issue that we're having in Florida concerning voting. Okay, 453 00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:32.719 because in twenty twenty, in the twenty twenty elections, Florida Republicans have passed 454 00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:37.719 a voting bill saying that it will make this set that says that um, 455 00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:44.000 it will require for people to apply to vote by mail more often and sets 456 00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:50.079 new limits on drop boxes. And another Senate Bill five twenty four increases the 457 00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:57.760 and creates new penalties for voter registration organizer organizations for things like turning in forms 458 00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:04.400 late. And notably, the law creates a new policing unit focus on voting 459 00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:09.400 crimes, so if they suspect that you criminally voted, the police can come 460 00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:15.440 and scoop you up and take you to jail. Jim Crow much. You 461 00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:20.840 know we talked about the issues with the Don't Say, Don't Say Gay bill. 462 00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:25.639 It bands classroom instruction on gender identification and sexual orientation to all grades. 463 00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:30.800 And under the original Parental Rights in Education law, which was signed into law 464 00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:37.639 last year, instruction on gender identity and sexual orientation were banned for K through 465 00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:43.239 third grade students, but teachers in grades fourth through twelve were allowed to offer 466 00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:51.079 this kind of instruction if there were deemed development inappropriate. But now that law 467 00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:57.320 has expanded and approved in March of this year, that all public school students 468 00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:04.679 will be banned from learning about these topics unless required by existing state standards or 469 00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:09.079 as part of a reproductive health instruction that students can opt out of. And 470 00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:15.440 according to the director of Communications for the Apartment of Education, he said quote, 471 00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:22.000 today's state board action reaffirms that Florida's commitment to uphold parental rights and keep 472 00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:30.760 indoctrination out of our school. And as Jimmy and Grant and Cross Examiner has 473 00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:35.039 pointed out, who is doing the grooming, who was doing the indoctrination. 474 00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:39.079 When you are putting laws out like this, you are doing the indoctrination government 475 00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:43.559 in Florida. It's not the other way around. And one more thing that 476 00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:45.800 I'm going to mention and then I'm going to give it to Helen and We're 477 00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:50.400 going to grow close out, is that there is a big heated debate because 478 00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:57.800 the NAACP has signed on with other organizations to actually put out a travel advisory 479 00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:01.199 for people who happen to be black and people who happened to the LGBTQ. 480 00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:05.719 They said, go go to Florida. If you can go somewhere else, 481 00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:09.719 go there. Specifically, in the tribal advisory, it says that you are 482 00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:15.199 not valued. And I've heard all types of stinking, weird things that was 483 00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:19.000 happening from the right. I even heard some things like from from other black 484 00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:22.599 folks, like this is silly, the NAACP is irrelevant, et cetera, 485 00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:25.159 et cetera, et cetera. And I mean, regardless of that, I 486 00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:30.400 mean it's showing in the law that this you're not valued. And with that, 487 00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:34.079 I'm going to lay my cross down on the cross. Kild you go 488 00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:38.920 ahead and bring up your your cross and examine. Absolutely. I just had 489 00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:44.760 a tiny comment to interject when you started talking about the hostility that Florida is 490 00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:50.239 showing to people of color. We had news today that Amanda Gorman's poem who 491 00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:53.039 Is. She's the Poet Laureate of the United States of America and she gave 492 00:38:53.079 --> 00:39:00.559 that moving poem reading during Biden's inauguration. That poem has been banned from Florida 493 00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:06.039 elementary schools as of today. Telling Lee the person who wrote the request to 494 00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:10.480 have it banned the citizen their request was filled with spelling errors and grammatical errors, 495 00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:15.039 and said that the poem was written by Oprah Winfrey. And they've also, 496 00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:20.440 of course, requested that other poems be banned and they were by who 497 00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:24.239 black female authors. So that's Florida for you. Uh. I know Helen 498 00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:27.760 has been waiting to say a lot, so I thought i'd pass it over 499 00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:30.800 to her. I'm gonna let Jimmy give a spicy take, real fastened. 500 00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:36.360 Then I'm gonna go because I have a lot to say. Okay, all 501 00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:40.400 right. Uh. Well, something something that I think is important here is 502 00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:45.719 that, um, the Conservatives in this state, and not just in this 503 00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:49.519 state, but maintain power by keeping their bass stupid and I'm gonna, I'm 504 00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:52.079 gonna, you know, just be blunt about that, um, for every 505 00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:57.800 white person who supports them, uh, realizes that they are inherently racist, 506 00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:00.400 maybe through no choice of their own, and that they do live in a 507 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:06.840 society that has flourished from the inferiorization of women, minorities, mostly African Americans. 508 00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:09.599 That's another vote loss for the Conservatives, right, So what better to 509 00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:14.360 do than demonize the people that challenge them, um, you know, by 510 00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:19.199 by calling them woke, this kind of derogatory term for people who actually want 511 00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:22.239 to be awakened. And so I think what we're seeing here is just a 512 00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:28.199 power coup, you know, and trying to keep their base uneducated means more 513 00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:31.800 power for them. So that's kind of my my conclusion on that note. 514 00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:37.519 So, as someone that lives in Satan's butthole, it's very hot and spicy 515 00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:42.079 and spotty here, I think you to clarify that we're right, because you 516 00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:45.320 know, that could be fun. Well, it would be fun if this 517 00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:51.000 was a King for me, but I feel a lot of heat and pressure 518 00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:58.280 as a queer person and as someone that is an atheist, and for someone 519 00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:04.480 that thinks that guess will. I don't think things like teaching the reality of 520 00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:07.800 history two children is a bad thing, because I've said this before on the 521 00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:12.920 show. I learned all about this stuff. I won I was going through 522 00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:15.400 the school system, and I grew up not to be a jerk face. 523 00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:20.519 So I'm just gonna say it now. I do have two kids that graduated. 524 00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:27.599 My son graduated in twenty nineteen, my oldest graduated, and I'm getting 525 00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:34.280 my days confused. I'm okay, So my oldest graduated in twenty nineteen and 526 00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:38.079 my son graduated in twenty twenty one. Now I'm very happy for this, 527 00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:42.599 because if they were in the school system right now, I wouldn't want them 528 00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:45.320 in the school system. I have friends that have young children here and they're 529 00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:51.159 debating either moving or homeschooling, or trying to find a way for them to 530 00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:54.320 get a proper education with tutors or something else, because if they're put into 531 00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:58.679 the school system, but they're going to learn that, you know, white 532 00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:01.920 people are fine and we never did anything wrong. And I also want to 533 00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:07.199 point out something about, um, what's being taught in these school what curriculum 534 00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:10.519 is approved. Japanese American studies is approved, that got signed, that got 535 00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:15.440 signed as a law by Santis show, So I want to point that out. 536 00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:20.480 This isn't just you know, like general racism and general bigotry. This 537 00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:24.199 is selective because I'm going to remind people good when they say woke and they 538 00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:30.280 use it as a slur as they're talking about LGBTQ people and they're talking about 539 00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:32.639 black people, those are the people they're talking about. And if you are 540 00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:37.559 a core person living in my state, I have friends they are trying to 541 00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:39.079 figure out how they're going to get what they're going to do. I have 542 00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:44.840 friends that are terrified and need to move out. I'm sis presenting. I'm 543 00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:47.639 I'm very lucky. I can hide a lot of people can't. So I 544 00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:52.760 have a I'm just very very concerned living here and I don't know what the 545 00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:58.639 future holds, and I can't help feel that anxiety. So I know that 546 00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:01.639 Jimmy wanted to say one more thing real fast, and can we please move 547 00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:06.159 on. I don't want to be here anymore. I'm in stage. I 548 00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:12.599 don't have anything. Let's move on. Yeah please, yeah, let's we 549 00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:19.360 are all triggered right now. Out of Florida, right yeah, you know, 550 00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:22.880 I listen. One of my best one of my really good girlfriends, 551 00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:24.280 lives in Florida and I call her every day, like, girl, don't 552 00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:30.320 you want to move? Any who? Speaking of moving, if you can 553 00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:36.280 arrange to be in Austin on Sunday, I believe June twenty fifth, consider 554 00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:40.280 joining us in the studio audience at the ACA Free Thought Library for a live 555 00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:46.440 broadcast a talk Heathen and the Atheist Experience. 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And I love blah blah blah blah 579 00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:47.559 blah blah, love the story and it is coming to you from the come 580 00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:55.079 Alumbus Dispatch by m Amelia Robinson entitled Columbus drag queens to Nazis, thank you 581 00:45:55.320 --> 00:46:00.719 very much for your hate protests raise big money. So what's this is? 582 00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:04.480 Basically what happened, guys. This is this is the gist of it. 583 00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:09.519 So in the Columbus Dispatch it actually talks about a fundraising event whose goal was 584 00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:16.519 to raise five thousand dollars but turned into sixty five thousand dollars because some neo 585 00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:21.679 Nazis decided to protest it. And I am personally going to set up a 586 00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:24.360 fundraiser specifically for me to see if neo Nazis protested, so that I can 587 00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:29.440 exceed my monitory get my goal. Kidding. Moving on, Well, during 588 00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:36.719 the Columbus conversation why Drag, local artists Corey Williams organized a drag brunch fundraiser 589 00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:43.119 for LGBTQT LGBTQ youth center called Kaleidoscope, and the goal was five thousand dollars, 590 00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:45.360 and well, the local Nazi group got a wind of it and people 591 00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:51.079 wanted to have fun and raise money for a good cause by inserting their two 592 00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:54.000 cents when no one asked them to, And what ended up happening is is 593 00:46:54.039 --> 00:47:00.320 that one of those Haiti ne caters people not only gave to the fundraise through 594 00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:05.000 they met their goals and exceeded them. And it's just such a great, 595 00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:07.360 great, great, great, great, great great great story. And I 596 00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:10.840 know that Helen, you were really bummed at our last story, being a 597 00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:15.280 Floridian and all, So please go ahead and take it. Take this this, 598 00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:19.320 this, this baton, and run with it. Gemmi yum, yummy. 599 00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:28.000 That's so delicious. It's so beautifully delicious, a little bit of victory. 600 00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:31.960 And I just love that these neo Nazi mofos were like, we're gonna 601 00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:36.400 show up and we're gonna protest and we're gonna say, like, bring down 602 00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:39.840 the drag queens. And the community was like, f that, here's a 603 00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:45.360 bunch of money. We're gonna give you more and more money, which I'm 604 00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:50.159 just it just gives me that little sigh of relief. Um. Now, 605 00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:54.360 I've had I've had previous conversations with people that when I say that you need 606 00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:58.360 you need to have a balanced news diet, like because there's a lot of 607 00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:01.840 doom and gloom and when your stories like this, you're you're reminded that there 608 00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:07.639 are good people in the world that all this BS that's going around, they're 609 00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:09.599 like, fuck that, and they're going to do something about it. And 610 00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:14.360 that's the only way this happens, and the only way you can feel inspired 611 00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:19.440 to do something is when you hear stories of people in your local community or 612 00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:23.159 even in your locals in your state or other places the country. There are 613 00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:25.719 wherever you are in the world that are like, we're not going to put 614 00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:29.840 up with this BS, and you stand up for what's right, and the 615 00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:35.840 fact that the Deo Nazis ate it and it worked so much non in their 616 00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:39.559 favor, it's just it just makes me. It makes me. I'm just 617 00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:43.079 like, you know what, I'm like. You know, there's a civil 618 00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:51.480 lining to this ship cloud. So, Jimmy, how do you feel about 619 00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:53.960 this story? I know, I'm very happy. Yeah, it's a little 620 00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:58.360 bit sweet in the end. I'm happy. I'm a little depressed though, 621 00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:02.280 that we still have coward Neo Nazis showing up to kind of ruin the fun. 622 00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:07.400 You know, my message to this group would be one, you're failing. 623 00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:09.000 I mean, there was only a dozen or so of you. Nobody 624 00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:14.199 wants to join your cause, right And two you're a bunch of cowards. 625 00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:16.639 You're afraid to show your faces because you don't want your community to see who 626 00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:21.679 you really are, and you don't want to be associated with the very cause 627 00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:25.840 that you claim to support. And so it's just it's not working in your 628 00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:31.639 favor. These people LGBTQ members wanted to raise five thousand, and they raised 629 00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:37.840 sixty five thousand because of you idiots trying to ruin the fun. I'm a 630 00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:45.119 little confused, right, Why does the LGBTQ community fall into the crosshairs of 631 00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:50.039 a white supremacist group. I don't know how that really trans transcribes. If 632 00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:52.880 you're a white supremacist group, then why why hate on a group that is 633 00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:58.000 not of a specific race. These are people that are just looking to hate 634 00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:05.679 somebody. And you know nationalism, Christian nationalism, sure, kay, yeah, 635 00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:14.159 Christian nationalism and racism go well together, you know all that to say, 636 00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:16.840 While, I while it is bittersweet, and I am I am ashamed, 637 00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:20.880 are not ashamed, but you know a little depressed about that. You 638 00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:22.639 know. I like hearing the feel good story. I like the fact that, 639 00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:27.880 um, you know, the the gentleman speaking in the video associated with 640 00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:30.920 this article, Lester Singleton, stated, you know, in the nineteen eighties 641 00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:32.199 when he was a young man, he never thought he'd be where he is 642 00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:37.079 today and now approaching his sixty second birthday. Uh, he's been embraced by 643 00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:39.920 an entire community. I just think that's a wonderful thing. Uh. I 644 00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:44.679 want to close out, you know, my points just by asking this gang 645 00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:47.280 too, like, do they think that their own Neo Nazi members in prisons 646 00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:52.599 across America and not engaging in homosexual sex? Because I'm sure that they are. 647 00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:53.880 I mean, there's uh, you know, what do you have to 648 00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:57.599 say about that. I don't know. I have no problem with it. 649 00:50:57.639 --> 00:51:00.599 Hey, you know, sleep with who you want to sleep with, but 650 00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:04.440 don't start coming down on a community that you know makes up a large portion 651 00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:07.039 of your numbers. Um, whether they want to admit it or not. 652 00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:10.920 So uh yeah, I mean, and Neo and Dassis do have some homoerotic 653 00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:14.360 stuff going on, So you know, I'm just saying, you know, 654 00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:17.440 it's that's it's not sexy, it's just homo erotic and weird. And also, 655 00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:22.400 according according to the leader of the Proud Boys, he also said that 656 00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:25.519 they do have gay members as well. Well, it's all the leather really. 657 00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:29.920 Okay, I'm gonna all right, listen, I'm gonna say this right 658 00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:34.679 now. If you are in a minority group, do not join your oppressor. 659 00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:37.880 Please don't do that. It's it's not going to end well for you. 660 00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:40.719 Do not join your oppressor. I have do I have a T shirt 661 00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:46.360 that says that do not enjoy join your oppressor. Yeah, don't do it. 662 00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:50.719 Badly, very bad. Yeah, optimistic, we're moving in the right 663 00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:54.320 direction. Yes, we are talk about talk about moving in the right direction. 664 00:51:55.039 --> 00:52:00.199 The cross examiner or can I call you crossy for sure? However you 665 00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:12.599 want you start to talk. So yeah, I think what this made me 666 00:52:12.679 --> 00:52:15.719 realize is I'm old. And the reason that made me realize that is back 667 00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:20.039 when I was sort of becoming more and more active in the atheist movement, 668 00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:23.599 there was only one group I could think of that would travel distances to show 669 00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:27.800 up in protest at an event, and that was the Westboro Baptist Church. 670 00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:31.079 You may remember them. They actually traveled from Kansas to my home state of 671 00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:36.199 Maryland to protest my high school because it was named after Walt Whitman, a 672 00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:39.920 famous gay poet from the eighteen hundreds. That was enough for them to come 673 00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:45.079 out and protest, and I would tell my parents back then about this and 674 00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:49.880 they would not believe me. Now today, when Nazis or the clan or 675 00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:52.199 the Maga fascists come out and scream hatred at people, we just call that 676 00:52:52.239 --> 00:53:00.760 a Florida Tuesday, Right, That's that's just I guess. I guess that's 677 00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:06.599 one thing that the Internet has done for conservative consumers is they've given them a 678 00:53:06.679 --> 00:53:10.239 choice in their hate groups. So back then, though, the effect was 679 00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:14.320 always the same as what we're seeing now. What you've all pointed out that 680 00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:20.199 it would draw attention to the object of their hate and that community would gain 681 00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:23.800 support. They I don't know if they're dumb or they're just this gets us 682 00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:28.119 attention. So I don't care that I'm supporting who the evil gay people by 683 00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:30.119 doing it. They just keep doing it. It's got to be some version 684 00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:34.880 of the streisand effect. Maybe some we got we gotta come up with the 685 00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:37.039 name vote for it. But I mean, sixty five thousand dollars they did. 686 00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:42.840 The math is one thousand, three hundred percent increase over their planned five 687 00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:45.480 thousand dollars. So maybe the Nazis should be selling this as a service, 688 00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:51.119 right, This one simple trick could increase your revenue by you know, by 689 00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:58.320 thirteen hundred percent. So at least Trump and the fascist Christian movement has done 690 00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:00.679 one service to us, and that's made them feel comfortable enough to come out 691 00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:05.400 despite as Jimmy points out, they often will wear masks, so at least 692 00:54:05.440 --> 00:54:08.760 we can identify who these people are. So I think these are to wrap 693 00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:12.800 up. These are the cases that are tough when you see them doing it. 694 00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:16.199 They're a test of your belief in the First Amendment. But unfortunately for 695 00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:20.440 them, we really do believe in the First Amendment. They would want to 696 00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:23.719 take away speech rights from others, but we fight to give them those rights. 697 00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:27.800 So I think that's that's another reason to be happy about this is long 698 00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:31.719 term. This confirms my faith in the in in the Bill of Rights. 699 00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:36.280 I think everybody's talked to you have anything, Cynthia, You know, I 700 00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:39.760 just wanted to just say that I just love the story because it shows that 701 00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:44.639 not everyone is a suage by hate. In some cases, people do more 702 00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:49.320 just to spite their haters, and we need more of this to combat to 703 00:54:49.400 --> 00:54:53.760 some of the tyranny that us coming from the government entities to other martialized group. 704 00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:58.559 And I would even say to the event organizer at the drag brunch, 705 00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:04.280 to Corey and his orders, I say a hearty right on and into the 706 00:55:04.360 --> 00:55:08.960 neo Nazis that decided to come out and protest this event, what are your 707 00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:13.960 issues with drag queens. Drag queens are fun, Drag queens are funny. 708 00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:19.719 Drag queens are sickening when they do lip syncs. Drag queens can help you 709 00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:23.480 with your wardrobe and your makeup. I get tips every week from watching Rue 710 00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:28.800 Falls drag Queen, and I think that a lot of us who wear makeup 711 00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:34.880 can as well. And they are cool people. And I always enjoyed going 712 00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:38.679 to a drag show. And maybe, just maybe, if you attended one, 713 00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:43.639 you wouldn't be so quick to protest one, because you'll be too busy 714 00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:47.320 having fun, have some fun, have some fun, have some fun. 715 00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:52.639 You have some fun, have some fun. And you know, I just 716 00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:55.599 um, I was telling my partner, I said, I just got my 717 00:55:55.719 --> 00:56:02.159 hair just so I can do this right. Hair flip yes, hair flip 718 00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:10.000 yes, you know exactly, just like if you feel well, you know 719 00:56:10.519 --> 00:56:14.880 a folk. We're going to be rounded it out towards our final, our 720 00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:17.840 final strange but truth. But before we do that, I just want to 721 00:56:17.880 --> 00:56:22.400 tell you that you too can become a member of this channel for as a 722 00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:27.840 little as ninety nine cents a month. So click the joint button below and 723 00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:32.679 this will give you access to a too uh special chat emoji. You know, 724 00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:37.199 they're kind of fun, you know, some of the little emojis that 725 00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:43.360 smile at you and thumbs up at you and and dance at you and and 726 00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:49.119 all that other great stuff. And yeah, and also I was told by 727 00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:52.840 our benevolent overlords that we also have a store. If you didn't know, 728 00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:54.840 you know, a matter of fact, I think that Jimmy, you found 729 00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:59.159 the store. Oh I found the store. Okay, very good emerge. 730 00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:04.199 Yeah, yeah, that's the logo of the Flagship Show. I believe it 731 00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:08.360 is the logo of the Flagship Show of the of the AA. And so 732 00:57:08.559 --> 00:57:14.039 you can shop because like these are like the last little ham dingers that you 733 00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:16.960 can guys get so boachr head and make sure you go to tiny dot cc 734 00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:22.320 slash merch Aca. That's tiny dot c c slash merch Aca and you can 735 00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:27.639 get all your favorite items like T shirts, hoodies and coffee mug and you 736 00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:31.559 can also check out our other shows as well. So we're just saying this 737 00:57:31.639 --> 00:57:38.559 right now by our shit. It's good shit. Yeah, Jimmy got on 738 00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:57.400 good ship anyway. The problem was I didn't have stuff the logo too. 739 00:57:57.679 --> 00:58:00.599 It's too powerful of a logo. Your camera didn't handle it right. Yeah, 740 00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:07.519 it's like bamna, speaking of being up in your face. Let's let's 741 00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:12.239 let's talk about um, let's talk about the universe and the theories as radically 742 00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:22.800 in our face with this strange but true true all right, this one's for 743 00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:27.199 me. Cool. Yes, So a radical new theory about the origin of 744 00:58:27.239 --> 00:58:30.320 the universe may help explain our existence. Written by Alexander Masters, this is 745 00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:36.400 a book review on Thomas Hertog's On the Origin of Time, an account of 746 00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:39.360 his time with Stephen Hawking and some of the theories that would go to explain 747 00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:43.800 the universe. Um, I don't really this is this is kind of a 748 00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:47.800 sneaky ploy by by the author to kind of insert some other things under the 749 00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:51.960 guise of a book review. But I'm gonna let somebody else take it away 750 00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:54.199 before I give my spiel on it. Uh what do you think, cross 751 00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:59.599 examiner? Um, well, I had trouble every once in a while you 752 00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:05.239 have these experiences where you get involved in like reading a Christian apologetics book or 753 00:59:05.320 --> 00:59:08.000 something, or listening to a video, and it's very hard to finish. 754 00:59:08.239 --> 00:59:12.119 It's just so hard. And that's what I felt like reading this, because 755 00:59:12.320 --> 00:59:17.440 I agree that you could just it reeked with this equivocation and oh, well 756 00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:22.000 they said this, and so that's a little gap where I can insert God. 757 00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:24.920 So my first problem with it is that he described it as this brand 758 00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:29.679 new theory. The book is new. The theory was published twenty years ago, 759 00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:35.760 so this is not new. It's very interesting, but it all it 760 00:59:35.800 --> 00:59:38.920 really does is take quantum mechanics, of which I know very little, as 761 00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:42.960 I think it was Feineman who said, if you think you understand quantum mechanics, 762 00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:45.960 you don't understand quantum mechanics. But I do know that this theory basically 763 00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:50.519 just says, well, if that's true, then the entire universe must obey 764 00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:53.039 those rules. So when the universe is created, we had all of these 765 00:59:53.079 --> 00:59:58.000 possibilities, all the ways the universe could get to the present, and as 766 00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:00.800 soon as it interacts with something I gets a deserved it's going to collapse that 767 01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:05.159 wave form into what we have now, and he, this author of this 768 01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:08.119 article, is trying to make that into some mystical this is why we have 769 01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:12.800 God, this is why there's fine tuning, when in reality, it's just 770 01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:16.800 he's just making this big argument about the anthropic principle, like, oh, 771 01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:21.119 you know, just like Douglas Adams says, you know, when a puddle 772 01:00:21.159 --> 01:00:23.039 becomes sentient and wakes up and says, Wow, what a cool whole I'm 773 01:00:23.079 --> 01:00:27.159 in. Wow, it's specifically made for me. It must be made for 774 01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:30.400 me. That's what this author is trying to do. And it's painfully obvious 775 01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:36.400 that he doesn't care about the actual reality or actually teaching the science. He's 776 01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:40.360 got an agenda, So Helen take it away. I'm sure you've got a 777 01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:44.360 lot to say on this as well. So I want to read this quote 778 01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:46.159 from the article that kind of stood up to me. I'd expect to liken. 779 01:00:46.239 --> 01:00:52.559 God has mentioned uber Alice. Alice, he looms over the shortline of 780 01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:57.559 science, cavalier provoking, planpoyant statements, a mark of the end of critical 781 01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:00.840 thought. Not easy to admit dismiss. A few excellentphusis believe in him. 782 01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:05.559 Many have done their most extreme work, their best and worse by trying to 783 01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:08.639 explode him. Um no, this is my problem with this. Um is 784 01:01:08.679 --> 01:01:15.400 he Thomas Hurdach the person that wrote this article. I'm aware that science doesn't 785 01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:22.719 make claims it can't support, because that was it was actually Alex Masters. 786 01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:27.159 Oh did he say that. I'm sorry, that's my then I misquoted. 787 01:01:27.239 --> 01:01:31.079 I apologize. I am not a scholar. Don't take anything you got my 788 01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:37.719 people, You're good because I couldn't even slay besieged, like I went to 789 01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:45.079 college, Cynthia, right, But like, but this is the thing that 790 01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:49.400 like people, it sounds deep and it sounds profound, but it's just a 791 01:01:49.480 --> 01:01:54.320 properbial skeleton. But there's nothing there. It's a nothing burger. Like I'm 792 01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:57.960 like, I'm gonna it's like, you know, you're trying to prop things 793 01:01:58.039 --> 01:02:00.679 up with like bubble gun on toothpicks. You know, it's not going to 794 01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:05.280 stand. And and that was really frustrating to me about this article because I 795 01:02:05.800 --> 01:02:10.480 read it three times looking for science, like some new theoretical research about the 796 01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:16.519 origins of the universe, and I got bunk. And I want to warn 797 01:02:16.639 --> 01:02:22.079 people that opinion pieces are not science. Scientific reading is a bore. I 798 01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:25.719 will tell you that I've done it. It's not. But that gets us 799 01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:30.400 to the closest understanding of how things work. And with people are good science 800 01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:36.400 educators, they're able to explain those theories to the layman and ways that are 801 01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:39.639 interesting and waits for them that is straightforward and easy to understand. As I'm 802 01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:45.880 gonna quote Michael Scott explain it to me like I'm five, and that's the 803 01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:50.840 goal. And this article was a lot of gobblely cook that I did not 804 01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:54.920 understand. And I'm hoping maybe Jimmy felt the same way. So I don't 805 01:02:55.000 --> 01:03:01.239 feel maybe I don't feel as dumb or maybe I'm onto something like I feel 806 01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:07.039 like something went over my head. Did you wanna Um? Yeah, because 807 01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:12.920 you had Yeah, you had like actually like real shit to say. So 808 01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:15.800 I'm just gonna say my fake shit, you know, and then you go 809 01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:22.519 with the real shit because I was confused. Oh, thank you, thank 810 01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:27.280 you. I try, um, you know, so a few things. 811 01:03:27.599 --> 01:03:30.920 Um. So when I was reading this article, I was actually hoping to 812 01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:36.679 get a more accessible breakdown of talkings theory, Like if you're like listening to 813 01:03:36.719 --> 01:03:40.119 like Neil de Grassi Tyson right, like he has a way to actually like 814 01:03:40.159 --> 01:03:45.880 explain things like explay like I'm five um so and and still actually put science 815 01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:50.079 in it and you can go, oh, that makes sense. Or like 816 01:03:50.119 --> 01:03:57.079 when I go to the planetarium and I learned about a um egg shaped planet 817 01:03:57.280 --> 01:04:00.800 in the Kelpium Belt, which is right here in our solar system, and 818 01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:05.000 I was like, wow, right, but I didn't get that. I 819 01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:09.800 didn't get that, y'all. I was. I was sad because, first 820 01:04:09.840 --> 01:04:12.400 off, one of my issues that I had with this is that, you 821 01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:15.679 know, he brings up the multiverse, and I was like, okay, 822 01:04:15.719 --> 01:04:19.440 so are we talking about Marvel movies right now? I mean like I don't 823 01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:23.519 know. I you know, in a minute, I'm like, where's Tony 824 01:04:23.559 --> 01:04:30.480 Starkey's about to pop out? Like all right, man? And so that 825 01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:34.199 was my first issue. My second issue was the title Thomas Hertog describes his 826 01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:41.840 collaboration with the late Stephen Hawking in searching for a solution to the ancient metaphysical 827 01:04:41.880 --> 01:04:46.679 problem emphasis on metaphysical and I am sorry, but why are we applying metaphysics 828 01:04:46.679 --> 01:04:49.239 to something that should just be physics? I don't know, I mean, 829 01:04:49.519 --> 01:04:55.480 glastly, the metaphysics normally deals with the fundamental nature of reality, including the 830 01:04:55.480 --> 01:04:59.800 first principles of being existent, identity, and change in space and time causing 831 01:04:59.880 --> 01:05:03.119 a back the necessity of possibility. But I guess it is a point of 832 01:05:03.280 --> 01:05:11.000 personal contention because metaphysical to me is normally associated and conflated with from spirituality. 833 01:05:11.119 --> 01:05:17.280 So you know, from a person who knows people who went to metaphysical churches 834 01:05:17.360 --> 01:05:21.480 and they talk about metaphysical stuff, and you know, the metaphysics of God. 835 01:05:21.519 --> 01:05:28.480 I'm just like just and and I think that my next issue specifically with 836 01:05:28.639 --> 01:05:32.639 this with this was the side rant about Wheeler's game. Did you all read 837 01:05:32.679 --> 01:05:36.480 about that? I get that he was trying to use it as a metaphor 838 01:05:36.559 --> 01:05:44.159 to his best to explain what her talk meant about observation. And I personally 839 01:05:44.280 --> 01:05:47.280 feel if you were just going to use a metaphor without you explaining it, 840 01:05:47.440 --> 01:05:54.239 playing with with your family and how was a disaster. And I am the 841 01:05:54.360 --> 01:05:58.679 queen of digression. We already saw this on the show, but I prefer 842 01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:01.639 to not have that in my literature. Just this. Can we stay on 843 01:06:01.719 --> 01:06:05.440 topic and I'm just gonna say this and then and Jimmy, you can take 844 01:06:05.480 --> 01:06:11.039 it and give us a wrap up. All in all, I fail to 845 01:06:11.159 --> 01:06:15.639 find the radical new theory remarkable. And as you just pointed outcross examiner, 846 01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:19.920 this is not a radical new theory. I mean it's not a new theory. 847 01:06:20.079 --> 01:06:23.840 It came out twenty years ago, so they knew, you know, 848 01:06:24.320 --> 01:06:28.559 I mean, I know my car is used and my car is less time 849 01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:31.320 than this theory. So guess what. It's a U theory. It's not 850 01:06:31.400 --> 01:06:35.559 a new theory, and where's a radicalness about it? And I guess that 851 01:06:35.559 --> 01:06:39.119 that's my thing? Oh, my final issue. And then Jimmy, you 852 01:06:39.119 --> 01:06:42.920 can take it. He cav On talking about the Catholic priests that actually debunked 853 01:06:42.920 --> 01:06:48.400 Einstein, Like, yeah, this Catholic priest like debunked Einstein's issue about expand 854 01:06:48.440 --> 01:06:51.519 the expansion of the universe. He actually pointed it out that it does expanding. 855 01:06:51.559 --> 01:06:55.280 Einstein said, no, what's fixed, and so we know that he 856 01:06:55.400 --> 01:07:00.280 was wrong. Therefore, God take that atheist and take this. Jim Well, 857 01:07:00.519 --> 01:07:04.559 I don't even know why I'm on the show. Now there we go, 858 01:07:04.679 --> 01:07:13.559 we prove God. Here we go by all we're all unemployed. Now 859 01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:21.599 yeah, cross examiner, are you said you have a quick thing you wanted 860 01:07:21.599 --> 01:07:25.079 to say, and then I'm gonna beat this guy up while I wrap up 861 01:07:25.119 --> 01:07:30.440 this this show. Okay, yeah, I think the sentiment I had after 862 01:07:30.519 --> 01:07:35.039 finishing it is this is why scientists should never use the word God when they 863 01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:43.079 describe what their work is. The famous misunderstood quote by Einstein of God doesn't 864 01:07:43.239 --> 01:07:46.679 play dice with the universe when he didn't like the idea of of quantum mechanics 865 01:07:46.679 --> 01:07:50.679 and it was blowing his mind, and that's been taken out a context for 866 01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:55.159 decades ever since. Then will be you know, oh, Einstein believe in 867 01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:58.960 God, and Hawking references God in a sort of the complexity of the universe 868 01:07:58.960 --> 01:08:03.360 type. These people who write these articles dishonestly will take those quotes and do 869 01:08:03.400 --> 01:08:08.400 what we see in this article, make it about their God instead of about 870 01:08:08.440 --> 01:08:14.880 the physics. Her TG made it very clear his quote was quantum mechanics forbids 871 01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:18.079 a single history. That's it. That's the only thing that really this theory 872 01:08:18.119 --> 01:08:21.560 says is if you take quantum mechanics, if every particle has to have this 873 01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:28.359 this uh probabilistic history, then the universe has a probabilistic history. And it's 874 01:08:28.359 --> 01:08:30.960 only when we start to come to the present that we can say, okay, 875 01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:32.000 we collapse the way for him. When we say this is how we 876 01:08:32.039 --> 01:08:35.840 got here, it's it's at its core simple. I don't understand everything, 877 01:08:35.840 --> 01:08:40.319 but when you read her Dog's writing, when you read Hawking's writing, they 878 01:08:40.359 --> 01:08:44.239 do make it simple. This guy intentionally made it complex. Back to you, 879 01:08:44.279 --> 01:08:49.039 Jimmy. So this is this is consistent with what Christians or religious individuals 880 01:08:49.039 --> 01:08:53.680 want to challenge scientific theories will do. They will find a way to sync 881 01:08:53.720 --> 01:08:57.600 their hooks in and then they will ride the coattails until they have an opening 882 01:08:57.640 --> 01:09:01.600 to introduce their theory. So not did I read a few articles other articles 883 01:09:01.680 --> 01:09:06.800 by Alexander Masters where he uses the same examples of the Catholic priest or of 884 01:09:06.880 --> 01:09:11.039 other people and cherry picks them to kind of continue to make his point. 885 01:09:11.640 --> 01:09:15.119 My kinda lapp would only give me about a hundred pages of this book, 886 01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:17.680 so I read I don't know, like seventy five of them. I tried 887 01:09:17.720 --> 01:09:21.600 to scan through them real quick. Stephen Hawking doesn't mention God. Stephen Hawking 888 01:09:21.920 --> 01:09:29.159 says that he can understand why people might consider the universe god like if you 889 01:09:29.199 --> 01:09:32.680 consider the chaos in which it started and then the order in how it currently 890 01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:39.560 exists. So in taking those words out of context. We have Alexander Masters 891 01:09:39.560 --> 01:09:45.600 who comes and injects his own theories using God to kind of create an equality 892 01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:49.960 between creationism and the scientific theories that are supported by evidence. And that's all 893 01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:55.079 this book review is. So it starts off kind of talking about a lot 894 01:09:55.079 --> 01:10:01.279 of assumptions and conditions about the universe and tries to place creationism equally among different 895 01:10:01.760 --> 01:10:05.079 scientific theories that explain how we got to where we are. And this kind 896 01:10:05.079 --> 01:10:10.840 of reminds me of those episodes on maybe news shows or interviews where you have 897 01:10:11.119 --> 01:10:15.720 the biochemist and the atheist and the biologist, and then you have the priest 898 01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:18.760 all sitting at the same table in their garb, and these people have to 899 01:10:18.760 --> 01:10:23.600 look at this priest at eye level as if he's accomplished the kind of work 900 01:10:23.600 --> 01:10:27.159 and research and commitment that they have, and they have to treat him with 901 01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:30.000 some kind of sincerity. And I think that's what Alexander Masters is doing. 902 01:10:30.439 --> 01:10:34.800 Somebody who has a Christian agenda, who saw that Stephen Hawking used the word 903 01:10:34.840 --> 01:10:39.439 God, and there's his opening to go and you know, put his own 904 01:10:39.439 --> 01:10:43.279 agenda to the test and see if it sticks. It's pretty consistent across all 905 01:10:43.319 --> 01:10:45.119 of his work. I would I would encourage others to kind of look more 906 01:10:45.159 --> 01:10:47.880 into it, but this is a common tactic. I think that we see 907 01:10:47.880 --> 01:10:51.319 a lot and so that's kind of kind of where I came out. I 908 01:10:51.359 --> 01:10:56.880 didn't really find any shocking new theory. I think I saw somebody who was 909 01:10:56.920 --> 01:10:59.920 desperate to include God and science, and you know, he fell short, 910 01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:01.680 didn't meet the mark. Helen, did you have a couple more points that 911 01:11:01.720 --> 01:11:05.000 you want to do. Yeah, this kind of so as the as the 912 01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:11.760 former pagan on the panel, M there is there is a theory known as 913 01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:16.880 a means air quotes people theory that m magic comes from like this cautiousness or 914 01:11:17.079 --> 01:11:20.600 energy that's in the universe and this is what this is what this reminded me 915 01:11:20.640 --> 01:11:25.760 of, that there's some kind of energy that has brought forth the universe and 916 01:11:26.119 --> 01:11:28.960 you know, there's some kind of He didn't use the word intelligence, but 917 01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:31.479 I got that vibe. You know, it's the metaphysical of the gaps argument, 918 01:11:31.640 --> 01:11:35.159 you know. And I got that feeling again because I was like, 919 01:11:35.239 --> 01:11:41.640 Oh, somebody's trying to put things in that they don't understand so it'll make 920 01:11:41.760 --> 01:11:45.159 sense. And I got and I'm not being critical, you know. And 921 01:11:45.199 --> 01:11:48.680 I that's this And that's the thing that scares me about when people write these 922 01:11:48.680 --> 01:11:55.079 opinion pieces, because they instead of just doing an interview and asking the person 923 01:11:55.159 --> 01:11:59.279 questions or going through the book with like a critical mind and then like maybe 924 01:11:59.279 --> 01:12:02.520 get a committee together to talk about the book and you know, get some 925 01:12:02.640 --> 01:12:06.600 feedback on it and that sort of thing that didn't happen here. He was 926 01:12:06.680 --> 01:12:11.560 just like, Okay, I think this makes sense, and I'm going to 927 01:12:11.600 --> 01:12:16.039 put my own spin on it as a writer and try to make the average 928 01:12:16.119 --> 01:12:21.880 person think that I'm saying profound things and it isn't. So I want just 929 01:12:21.960 --> 01:12:28.319 to stress my audience, the audience that just because something sounds good doesn't mean 930 01:12:28.359 --> 01:12:30.560 it is good, you know. And I think that's something that we have 931 01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:34.399 to be aware of. Yeah. Yeah, that's the only that was my 932 01:12:34.439 --> 01:12:38.680 major concern with this. Yeah, just even going back to your point, 933 01:12:38.680 --> 01:12:44.880 Helen about you know, about the emergence of the universe being caused by a 934 01:12:44.960 --> 01:12:53.359 collective consciousness. It's that makes me all weirded out because we don't have any 935 01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:59.680 evidence that the consciousness is a part of is aware away from our brain. 936 01:13:00.079 --> 01:13:03.000 This this is a this is a property of our mind, and our mind 937 01:13:03.359 --> 01:13:09.359 is a property of our brain. So because you know when we when we 938 01:13:09.439 --> 01:13:12.640 out, the consciousness is too. And you know how I know that because 939 01:13:12.720 --> 01:13:16.600 last time I check dead, people don't talk. So and I'm just like 940 01:13:16.760 --> 01:13:20.760 just like afraid that this is something that, um, we're trying to do 941 01:13:20.840 --> 01:13:30.159 like some weird in viewing metaphysical explanation for a radical theory, which really is 942 01:13:30.640 --> 01:13:35.159 not even a theory. It's more so like an opinion because Jesus, at 943 01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:39.119 least that's what I got from it. Yes, the Jeevus, you know, 944 01:13:39.399 --> 01:13:43.119 um, yeah, okay, so you know when the cross examinar, 945 01:13:43.159 --> 01:13:48.920 I'm gonna give you one minute to bring your garle okay until we Yeah, 946 01:13:48.960 --> 01:13:54.680 I think I think everybody is right on the mark. I could say that 947 01:13:54.840 --> 01:13:58.279 there are Christians who do it the right way. You know this guy's doing 948 01:13:58.319 --> 01:14:00.960 it the wrong way. I'm gonna start with my conclus allusion worked to the 949 01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:04.800 beginning. But for example, my current series I'm focusing on my podcast is 950 01:14:04.840 --> 01:14:09.319 all about faith healing, and part of what I investigate is does prayer actually 951 01:14:09.359 --> 01:14:12.600 work? Well, there's this organization you may have heard called the Templeton Foundation, 952 01:14:12.640 --> 01:14:15.880 a Christian organization that sponsored the largest study on prayer. You know what 953 01:14:15.920 --> 01:14:18.880 they did, hands off, We want to know they do it right. 954 01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:23.199 They're just looking for hand prints and God. But they ran the study and 955 01:14:23.239 --> 01:14:26.520 you know what, the study showed not effective, and they were honest about 956 01:14:26.560 --> 01:14:30.359 it. Juxtaposed that against this author or the people at Answers in Genesis, 957 01:14:30.039 --> 01:14:40.159 they've got an I'm sorry trigger warning. I've been watching the MAI podcasts and 958 01:14:41.399 --> 01:14:49.279 I mean exorcism. I apologize that was that was a rookie mistake. That's 959 01:14:49.399 --> 01:14:54.479 juxtaposed against somebody else. But you get my point. This guy in this 960 01:14:54.600 --> 01:14:59.119 article is doing that. He's starting at his conclusion, working backwards instead of 961 01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:01.199 the honest wave. Okay, let's work forward. And if I have to 962 01:15:01.199 --> 01:15:04.319 play out of the gaps, I will. That's the honest way of approaching 963 01:15:04.319 --> 01:15:09.079 it. And you know what else is honest, guys, let me tell 964 01:15:09.119 --> 01:15:13.359 you what's on. What's honest is joining our fans social media outlets. That's 965 01:15:13.479 --> 01:15:17.399 right. You can find most of the nonprofit hosts on the atheist Community of 966 01:15:17.479 --> 01:15:24.199 Discord by going to tiny dot cc slash a CD Discord and on Facebook at 967 01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:30.039 tiny dot cc slash FB NP and we value your feedback, So tell us 968 01:15:30.079 --> 01:15:33.920 what you like like you know, I like that, you know the drag 969 01:15:34.000 --> 01:15:38.680 Brunch actually brought in sixty five thousand dollars and set of five thousand because of 970 01:15:38.560 --> 01:15:41.520 of stupid New yor knots. Or you can tell us what you don't like, 971 01:15:41.800 --> 01:15:45.840 which is Florida and Texas and you know anything and everything in between, 972 01:15:46.199 --> 01:15:49.720 and you can put those in the comments below, or you can email us 973 01:15:49.760 --> 01:15:57.279 at nonprofits at Atheist Community dot org, and also visit the Atheist Community of 974 01:15:57.319 --> 01:16:03.359 Austin's official website at atheists dash Community dot org on the latest of what's been 975 01:16:03.399 --> 01:16:10.840 happening, and feel free to contact the ACA at TV at Atheist dash Community 976 01:16:10.920 --> 01:16:14.680 dot org. And let me tell you, guys, it's been an absolute 977 01:16:14.880 --> 01:16:18.880 PLEASUA having all of you on. Helen, thank you, babe for doing 978 01:16:18.920 --> 01:16:24.239 your thing. Jimmy, oh my goodness, this has been so much fun. 979 01:16:24.279 --> 01:16:29.760 Don't you agree? Oh my goodness, so much fun. Episode should 980 01:16:29.800 --> 01:16:40.119 just be called triggered. I mean right, everybody do some self care will 981 01:16:40.159 --> 01:16:43.279 be okay, Oh my gosh. I know because the Cross has ever said 982 01:16:43.319 --> 01:16:56.000 hey, I answer hey, any emotional support animal and you have the Cross 983 01:16:56.039 --> 01:16:58.840 Examiner. You know, thank you so much for coming on to the show. 984 01:16:59.239 --> 01:17:01.000 I hope this is one of many. You know, you will always 985 01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:04.600 hear me say we need a lawyer on the show. And um, make 986 01:17:04.640 --> 01:17:09.800 sure guys you check out the Cross Examiner's podcast. You can actually reach all 987 01:17:09.840 --> 01:17:15.600 of his podcasts at the Cross Examiner dot net. And with that being said, 988 01:17:15.680 --> 01:17:18.720 guys, thank you so much for tuning in, Thank you so much 989 01:17:18.760 --> 01:17:23.079 for actually watching us, and if you're listening to us a podcasts for him, 990 01:17:23.239 --> 01:17:27.000 thank you for listening to us. Until we see you or hear you, 991 01:17:27.359 --> 01:17:45.840 or you hear us next time. Bye Bye. Watch Talk Heathen live 992 01:17:45.960 --> 01:17:50.720 Sundays at one pm Central. Visit tiny dot cc slash y t T and 993 01:17:50.840 --> 01:17:55.880 call into the show at five one two nine nine nine two four two, 994 01:17:56.000 --> 01:17:59.800 or connect to the show online at tiny dot CC slash call t H