Good morning, friends and friends, I am Julio Pérez and this is the
train of life, a radio adventure along the routes of the heart. I
want to invite you to travel with me and dream together in a better world,
a different world where men and women of good will can live in peace
and freedom. The train of life is a magaxine of good news and hope.
This is a radio time specially designed for people like you and like so
many truth seekers, of the only truth that can make us free come Te,
I invite you to travel with us on the safest train of all,
which will definitely take you to safe harbour. This is the train of life.
Well, well, very good morning, Spain, bon day, friends
and friends, we are already traveling on this train in no untiring thirty-
two years, week after week, a magaxin of more than three hours,
accompanying so many friends to hundreds to thousands as they count and many guests who
are with us day after day. Come with me this morning that we also
have something very important to tell you. We' re going to travel together.
We' re going there on the train of life. Let me make
this headline, which is precisely the headline of the publication of my new book,
My second book, is a book based on experiences that have to do
with this traveling train. They are also reflections of a pilgrim, of one
of so many one who travels through life, in this case, a servant
and who is counting life, is having sensations, impressions, observes some and
others. It makes good reflections, both spiritual and philosophical and also very everyday
and very of us, ordinary citizens. Well, I' m telling you
that this weekend, on the Amazon platform, you' ll be able to
dispose of it and for all intents and purposes it' s already there on
the platform, but this weekend it' ll be available for sale. The
book of Julio Pérez, a servant traveling on the train of life, as
I advance them. I remember when we started this radio magaxin, the train
of life, somewhat adventurous in the spring of the ninety- two, on
the eve of the Olympic Games, the Olympic Games of Barcelona of the ninety
- two that was in July an unforgettable year, the year of Spain.
This was undoubtedly considered the year of Spain, both for the celebration of the
Barcelona Games, the Olympic Games and the universal exhibition of Seville. And really
for all of us it was a year of great success. We never got
a medalist. I think we got a ski medal at the Olympics, at
the Winter Games with Fernández Ocheas and after decades Franco still lived. I remember
he came in as a great hero for the Castilian, but we didn'
t win anything. It was and that in those Olympics between twenty- two
and twenty- three, medals, silver medals, bronze medals, gold medals
in the Spanish athletes. And also that year, in addition to the Year
of Spain, the Universal Exhibition and the Olympic Games, was the year of
the modernization of Spain. In many ways. The infrastructures of Spain were very
advanced and especially Barcelona gained a citizen impulse as a city was updated in such
an important city. True, those heights were still considered in terms of the
train of life that we started in the spring a little bit on the eve
of the Olympic Games. At that point it was considered in the evangelical world
that a radio program like the Train of Life in the ninety- two was
too mundane a program. And why, because we interviewed people of all human
disciplines. We interviewed athletes, just a posteriori, some of the athletes who
won medals, both Christians, some of them We had the opportunity to interview
them international as some national and good, and we interviewed some believers, others
did not, but we told us things about life and talked with journalists,
writers, theologians, doctors, specialists, psychologists, good of everything, artists
from any artistic field. And it was considered that this was too mundane a
program at the discretion of some, and that made me think that we had
come quite late to dialogue with our generation in the different spheres of social life,
because we were totally or almost totally decontextualized. The train of life.
Humbly and without pretense, I realized that I was a precursor to a different
narrative in the evangelical media. Since then and in the last thirty- two
years, I have been able to see with great joy the emergence of a
new generation of Gospel communicators in the evangelical media, as I can tell you
Juan Carlos Parra, Daniel Diez, Fernando Díaz, Lucho, Panduro Bueno and
Daniel Va Luja, a servant among those who are in the media, who
are journalists, journalists and many of them avant- garde, training journalists,
are academics and, in addition, social communicators. I mean, we'
re not undercover here making an amateur. It can also be if it is
given well, the art of communication, because it has the right. Look
Luis del Olmo did not study at the university and has been the best journalist
that Spain has had in recent years, the one who invented the radio talk
and, besides that Doctors Causes was named for his career. In addition,
I had the pleasure of working with him, at least in the sphere of
his influence in the late nineties on zero wave and good and enjoyed a man
of tanintal, with that radio empathy he had and with that special gorge,
then. But, but in our realm a certain generation of communicators and others
have risen and others that are there, that are maters, but that do
very well as radio life intermature and others in locals, in different places.
It means that we have advanced in the media with this whole new generation,
which is a bolder and more contemporary generation. But I say again humbly I
believe that the Train of Life was a precursor program of this new narrative in
the evangelical media. This has even been publicly stated by several of these journalists,
publicly as the Ten of Life was a standard bearer of a new narrative,
a new language, an approach to reality, to the present day.
The Ten of life wanted to be a kind of living parable, describing human
landscapes and also open dialogues, with hundreds, hundreds and no longer exaggerating of
guests who have been telling us things and cases of life, always with different
nuances in many aspects, in others, well, as everyone tells it,
because we are of the same pasta, the, the, the, the
human community. But there are unknown aspects and angles. That blind self of
human spirituality well explained, without mysticisms and without unusual eccentricities, but just as
the scripture, the word of God makes known and we have been able to
do so and we continue to do so. Travelling on the train is an
experience that I personally find very rewarding. I love to travel by train.
I travel a lot in the birds, a lot Madrid, Barcelona and other
destinations as well, but much more Madrid Barcelona in the bird. Old often
to different places in the country and I can find certain parallels with our journey
through life in general. What you are there on the train in your thoughts,
you are seeing the external landscapes, some because they are landscapes because of
fields, countryside, through mountains, sunset is sunrise Sometimes you see some population
than another. And with these trains so fast, actually then traveling is an
interesting thing. From our particular train of life, we see the outer world
encircled, as I say with the landscape, also performing various tasks while traveling.
In addition to gliding from time to time, if the trip is a
bit long because we do not travel by train, we can also read,
read or write. I read, for example, I buy one or two
paper newspapers, because I read every day of four or five newspapers online to
stay up to date, but I like to have the paper and when I
travel by train. I try to have newspapers write on our laptops. We
can also talk on the phone. We can talk to other passengers occasionally inside
that many people don' t want to talk, but some do and we
talk about any inconsequential things. Some of them tell you things that are really
just hot and how we can' t get close to the coffee shop to
enjoy a good coffee or have an xpress sandwich if we feel like it.
Meanwhile, the train continues its course unstoppably until we reach our final destination.
Where life is going. Yeah, it' s like a running train that
transports us to different places. Sometimes we also experience some rather disturbing journeys,
even startling ones, some time and in the worst cases, as we lived
a few years ago here in Spain, in Madrid, the eleven meters we
celebrated the twenty years recently, the tragedy of trains, of trains of death,
not certain trains that can lead us, in the worst case, to
a fatal destination. Other trains of life also in many cases people have lost
both their compass and brakes. They have no brakes, no control of themselves,
and they travel aimlessly exposed to total disaster from moment to moment. But
if the real train of life is the one we take, it leads us
to a certain and safe destination, it is the train of life. The
great engineer who runs this train, the traveling train is the same. Lord
Jesus Christ, our great Timonel, not of the ship, but of the
train that leads us in life. And it' s true, it seems
like a parable and it is, but it' s true and for that
very reason I wanted to publish this collection of public reflections. It' s
fifty reflections with five seasons. Actually there are six, because the season ends
at the sixth station and then a final epilogue. I also have the honour
of being prologued by the Director General of Aeropago Protestant, Don Pedro Tarquis,
who has an exquisite verb and I thank him very much, because all the
words that dedicate me. Therefore, I wanted to publish this collection of reflections
that I have titled traveling on the train of life, temporary reflections for an
eternal destiny that we have already uploaded, already since the end of last week,
but today is practically already climbing. Tomorrow, Friday, Saturday, Sunday,
you will already be on the platform available in Amazón, available as an
amazon for all of you. The economic price twelve euros so that it is
available to all. And it' s 180 pages, it' s fifty
reflections in six sections of eight. Then there is an introduction that is an
article and a very important final article, also that you will see and you
know that I have a blog in digital Protestant that is also entitled the train
of life. Well, everyone converges on the blog, the radio show that
maybe associates my person with the train of life. Thirty- two years.
There' s na, it' s no small thing. And then this
book, which expresses many things from life, from Christian life, from faith,
from men, from women today, feelings, perceptions, interpretations, biblical
and philosophical reflections, everyday questions and very soulful things that anyone can easily identify
with me. Therefore, I want to invite you to enjoy this reading of
my new book, traveling on the train of life, as well as of
the Radio Magaxin, the train of life, this same and that of my
weekly blog, which is also called the train of life. He is always
grateful to God for giving me this privilege of being able to enjoy on this
journey at train pace with such good friends and companions of such a hopeful journey
to an eternal destination, for look for any information beyond the Amazon platform and
acquire it and thank him infinitely traveling on the train of life and enjoy it.
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let' s go there today the train of life life life or,
ladies and gentlemen, for this morning we will be well accompanied. First of
all, we' ll be happy to talk to Daniel ozkand director of Protestant
Digital and also, real journalist of the other race, and it' s
a pleasure to talk about with another look of today. Some things are the
ones that everyone counts, but perhaps very sui generis observations. In some cases
also talk about ours, what happens in the Protestant world, which ignores a
lot, if they are things, some of them important to a large extent,
because there will be the other look of the day with Daniel Ozcahan,
director of Protestant Digital and in our second station we will be addressing Here will
be our study. Gonzalo Soriano, who is the coordinator and promoter of all
missionary programs and productions of biblical society. He' s a tireless man.
He' s a tireless man. We all know him and we love Gonzalo,
but he' s a real ambassador and you' ll see the interview.
Now he' s traveling, he' s in the other part of
the world. He had to travel, but we recorded the interview and I
tell you one thing. It is very interesting this interview about everything that the
world lives, from biblical society, its missionary projects and then how its publications
work and the proposals it grants and offered by the Biblical Society of Spain,
which are unknown, but are very interesting for the evangelical people. And for
everyone who wants to adopt it as their own. Of course, it has
opened up to everyone and will be with us here on the train of life
Gonzalo Soriano. Don' t miss it. And finally we have Dr Roca
talking about what cse Lewis was saying, the pain problem. What we do
with pain, how we get out when the pain is persistent, it'
s chronic, when there are pain clinics today, but when that' s
not enough, how we deal with it, how it lives, the one
who suffers it, and how the family lives it. Well, then,
the mad doctor knows with such a pastoral heart that he is also a pastor
and theologian, he is also but he is a great medical professional. It
always brings us up to date with everything and with so much, to the
point, because there we will be in the htel of life. Good music,
very good company. Don' t miss it. Here we go.
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or mirable, God majesty, your so equalable you are powerful, inscritable,
kind amaze me your love for me I come to worship you? You?
I come to adore you? You? I come to adore you? To
you revenge my astonishment so my aga so, sir you are, dye of
every dorasion qua so, you do not want comparison of two. Gloria,
we give glory to you you are my protector, my refuge, my father
aba, your voice, is my shield, your presences home my treasures shadow
your love for me. I come to adore you, do I come to
adore you? I come to worship you? Lord to you amazements so mine,
Oh, Lord you are, saying of all the beautiful doration, you
have no comparison. We dare you, we give gora, for they hear
the sound of your people. We raised your doration. Asparating my future in
your hands. I' m sure he' s about the early Sara.
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wwwww, the train of life, of life, ladies and gentlemen, we
are already in the other look of today. It is good to see things
under our critical eye of social chronicle and some political note of general interest.
We don' t get into the pragmatism of politics, because we' re
not on the subject either, so we' re in the public square and
obviously, we' re all interested in knowing what' s going on when
you hear everything that' s going on here near in Europe, in the
other part of the world, in the Middle East, especially that it'
s the hottest place on the planet lately. As for the war tension,
it refers, because the truth that and then goes to don Putín there also
making of his own, the Korean is not known where it will go and
the Korean from the North. And then, in the meantime, the Chinese,
warning carefully, step on the brake that I' m interested in maintaining
economic control of the planet and I don' t want a nuclear winter.
And if any of you go off the brakes, I will punish you myself.
That' s what China says from behind in good subliminal language. So
they see that all these flows and refluxes of politics are very complex. But
for this we have Daniel odcarn the director of Protestant Digital, also a man
who is very up- to- date, pro journalist and we have him
there to welcome him. Good morning, Daniel Hi, how are you,
how are you, Julio? Nice to see you and listen to you,
Daniel. The truth is it' s true, because we could say good
is the quietest thing. Well, at least these days. These do not
come a week, but less than a week ago we were seeing or Iran
' s attack on Israeli territory. That' s why everything was somehow torn
down by the iron dome Israel has. Well, with the help of the
European allies and the United States, it was a demonstration, an expression of
being careful, careful that you' re getting into a very dangerous terrain Iran.
I mean, what happens is that on this clear board, Israel attacked
Jena Lebanon, because all these who were made and all these people who are,
after all, are a litter of terrorists. But there were some of
the Iranian generals too and they killed some of them. And this was the
retaliation. Then how do you foreignize this very complex horizon. And in the
Middle East and always the Middle East is the hottest place. Why. Yeah,
yeah, well, it' s still a tremendously hot place, as
you were saying. It is now clear that everything that has happened in the
last year and from what was the attack of 7 October spends ever since there
in Israel, for it has made the situation much more tense. But of
course, the underlying conflict must never be forgotten. There is a fundamental conflict
involving the very existence of Israel in that territory that there are indeed many countries,
many Arab countries around it that do not tolerate it and among them,
therefore, the one that has been the most belligerent has historically been Iran.
And, obviously, Iran has been funding and supporting both never and gisbolá groups
that obviously have such connections, have funding not only from Iran, in fact,
in the case of Never, because it is more linked to other groups
also Islamic. But there is a terrorist group, as it can be Islamic
resistance there in Gaza, which is more linked to Iran And what we really
see is that the consequences of the war are sometimes totally unpredictable, that is,
it is very difficult when you start and when you attack and when you
counterattack, know who will stop and how it will stop. So it'
s a tense situation. It is clear that I believe that on a general
level, the condemnation that has been quite widespread of the attack by Iran I
think comes a little with the idea that Israel does not overreact, that is,
it is like support for Israel in this regard, even though lately many
of those supports are weaker or not so notorious, because they generally do not
agree with how it is operating in Gapa. But in this case there has
been general support for Israel' s defence in some Western countries. Now let
' s see what happens, because you really don' t want it.
Or it gives me the impression that most international actors would not want to be
fanned even more because this already internationalized conflict, which would make good more actors
enter, because the more countries are involved, the more damage, the more
collateral damage can be done, the more victims and the more you can totally
escape control when there really are powers with so much force. We are talking
about Iran, which really is, which is a country that has an important
military power. Obviously, Israel also has it, there is no doubt about
that, and its allies, both on the one hand and on the other,
for it is clear that they could carry. Some are talking about how
there might be the beginning of a Third World War, but I think that
for it to happen there would have to be some position of some of the
great actors betting hard on it. And I don' t think the U
S wants, and I don' t think either in Russia right now they
' d want to be, because the actors that might come into conflict.
You were talking about China too that he' s not interested either. So
I think that can still stop you from getting into a situation, let'
s say it would be terrible and very difficult to go backwards. Of course,
there has never been as much talk as in recent times, since the
attack on Russia' s invasion of criminal Ukraine, of invading territory outside its
own. Moreover, by military force of arms, it has never been made
clear. The other has obviously been seriously involved. It' s more from
Europe. It rearms and Europe already has its military budgets, which it did
not have until now. Well, all kinds of more sophisticated weapons, nuclear
missile bases that already exist, but it' s going to expand, I
mean, it' s going to create a European fort. And there has
never been so much talk from this point of view and from the crises in
the Middle East, Israel, Gaza, ever, Iran and all the others.
Let' s say people who are in conflict. There has never been
so much talk about World War III. The word for World War III is
being mentioned a lot, and it is true, on the other hand,
that speaking of wars, because of Gaza. We all want it to be
over, because it' s massacred against the population. Sure, look at
that. Israel has ended 19 battalions of the twenty- three battalions, battalions
that it never has inside and that uses the civilian population as a human shield,
of course, and people can' t say anything, because if they
don' t go after them, the terrorists themselves, they never have to
shut up and to and from everything. But in the meantime they' re
dying like human shields. Nineteen battalions have destroyed Israel, and there are only
four remaining to destroy all of them. Yes, you mean, but,
for example, it is that in this respect, of course, we have
been talking about the victims in Gaza, because it is really tremendous. And
it' s tremendous, it' s a crisis and disproportion. Disproportion in
a sense of Israel' s action. But throughout this time, missiles have
not stopped coming out of Gaza into Israel. It' s just that there
' s been practically no week in which there' s been no missile attack.
From what happens is that, of course, missiles are intercepted and then,
from here we have the vision that it is an absolutely unequal war,
because, certainly it is but of course they are not people who are with
sticks and stones defending themselves or attacking you is that really, in addition to
the capability they have with weapons, they have missiles. And it must also
be remembered that they still have a hundred people kidnapped or more sweetened kidnapped there
who do not want to release them. That is, that, within the
complexity that all this has and without agreeing at all with the strategy that has
followed Jafu metal, that I believe is a really negative profile and a person
who should no longer be in the position where he totally agrees, because of
course, the situation is more complex than simply saying, because it cannot be.
Israel has to stop, and that' s it. These are the
complexities that this circumstance has, this situation and that are not easy to resolve.
It is very clear, because there is no one right now who says
good, because the solution has to be this, or this is the solution.
For example, we have now seen the President of Spain, Pedro Sánchez,
doing an international tour, for let' s say trying to talk about
the solution as the creation of a good Palestinian State, It' s not
a bad idea to recognize the Palestinian State, but they really don' t
solve, that is, they don' t solve the underlying situation, that
there are terrorist groups that don' t want Israel to be there and that
they don' t want. Two States want to raze Israel and have it
as a principle, let' s say foundational. So, until that doesn
' t change, it' s going to be very difficult for you really
to get to a stable peace situation, you can just sometimes lower the conflict
or go up more. And now it is clear that we are in quite
high degrees of intensity and danger. I believe that the President, our President,
is making an erratic policy on this. It does not mean that the
subject is what you say, the subject of the two- State proposal.
It would be when the others want to eradicate, let us say destroy Israel
from the map, then what they do. We totally disagree with this carnage
that Netanyahu is causing against the civilian population, regardless of military operations. This,
this is intolerable and there is a protest to which we join against this
inhuman act of the loss of so many lives in Engaza. This is intolerable,
this is inhuman and there is nothing to justify it, let alone.
But of course, Israel, at the same time comes our President speaking of
the sun, the moon and the stars. If you want to be a
mediator in the conflict, which could be, because you may propose a table
of dialogue, of eating But now talking about the two states is totally four
and the cat has said yes. The rest of Europe says no, that
things are going the other way. Yes, yes, they pretend that it
could come to that, but this is not the time for that. It
means that, but there is also an allergy to Israel on the part of
this very large government. Yes, yes, yes, well, it is
clear that I believe that within the government, for example, even the position
of Pedro Sánchez, who could be branded, because as equidistant, perhaps compared
to that of other European leaders. It must be realized that within the Government
of Spain there have been ministers who from the very beginning were already talking about
Gaza as a victim, even when they had just launched the attack. That
is to say, there are elements there of support for Palestine, not so
much for Palestine, but of support for Gaza ever, even if I don
' t know what I mean, but there have been links, there have
even been visits by people from never to Spain. It is in the history
of news that have been received and have collaborated with people from the radical left
here in Spain. So those links are undeniable and I really believe that it
is a rather strong respite in terms of government management in this matter. However,
I believe that Pedro Sánchez' s position is not too far from what
would be the position of any other government. I mean, I think that
Spain' s position has traditionally been this and well, we should go a
little deeper into why it is not a position. Let us say as far
in favour of Israel as it can be in France, for example, that
we are going to your government very clearly in favour of, or Germany,
well, historical motives or the United Kingdom. That is to say, there
are countries where we say that support for Israel is much more notorious and here,
in Spain, it is different and I think it has to do with
historical reasons, but also, of course, with economic reasons that go not
only have to do with a situation of now, but of years, and
not so much with regard to Palestine, but also with regard to the Arab
countries. That is to say, we have to see the amount of investments
and influence that there is from the Arab world in Spain, that sometimes we
are not aware until they pass as news like today, that suddenly we learn
that there is an Arab firm that wants to buy a great Spanish company and
suddenly you realize that it is not that they want to buy that solo,
but that already they have. They already have three, four or five of
the most important companies in Spain. So yes, yes, yes, it
really makes you think natally yes because they want to open an opa of a
billion euros. Be it and it means and the Government is studying well in
this regard. The government does, which works a little bit, has at
least a forecast to intervene to some extent for those who do not happen that
control all the gas energy of Spain, of production of Spain notice, that
already control CEPSA, already control, that is, the oil, the oil
already belongs to them. I don' t know how many people know it
at best because, of course, starting a little bit in the eighties and
buying a different shareholding and which one and in the end they ended up getting
all the control and gas, also the distributor. Now it would be a
Turgi that is the one they lack, but really the good ability. We
have also seen the attempt by the Government to bring in Arab telephone helpers,
also with public investment. But of course I don' t know. I
think that all of this really is also part of that board where sometimes we
only see a part or we just don' t understand very well, and
I think that the economic part plays a fundamental role in the way in which
governments end up behaving, especially when it comes to this turnover. We are
talking about billions and companies that really good, are companies on which we depend
absolutely all and depend not only the citizens, but all the industry and all
the ability that Spain can have to go forward in the coming years. Then
these are issues that should not escape us and we should at least know them.
If the colonization now in Europe is very powerful and in the two thousand
and fifty, both by the population existing in Europe, which is very large,
very large, will be the largest proportionally in Europe, but also by
the economic colonization of these great economic trus, it means that, of course,
they are and as if they were others, then I want to say
that, of course, this is a remote control that commands in the countries
above the governments. In the end not then well, I don' t
know. We have to have a vision for the future. Let us imagine
that we would like to colonize the Arab countries, which we cannot, with
our influence. We can' t even good, Dubaia is a total economic
empire, but the Arab emirates. But the reality is this is a chess
board. In short, I do not know what the next governments are like,
because this government and it is happening to almost everyone to a greater or
lesser extent. But this one in a brutal way, as the public debt
goes up a lot, of course, throws the house out the window,
gives away everything and it doesn' t matter to those who come behind that
manage and clear, in fact and we are indebted and those who buy the
public debt China, the Arab countries and so many others, and then we
are colonized again by them. It means that our independence as a country is
narrowing down a lot. True, yes, yes, yes, of course,
and it is very difficult to recover. From what you said, there
are, on the one hand, no economic commitments that are already firm through
companies or through concessions that they too have. Even many of the industrial investments
that are being made in Spain are no longer of their own investment, they
are foreign countries that come and set up a company here. Now, for
example, there was a plan for a big Chinese company that was going to
set up something in Cáceres. Sure, it' s really a good thing
for the country, because it brings you industry for Spain, but of course
it' s China industry. It' s China offshoring, so to speak.
No. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so,
yeah, yeah, it' s active flame, but this is really the
situation. So, right now, let' s say that the ability that
Spain, in a sense, can have to maneuver in many international affairs,
I think it is very limited and well, is a role that perhaps there
is no other left to assume it, because it also cuts ties and tries
to isolate you and live isolated from the world, trying to make the battle
on your own, because it is not a solution either. Not perhaps a
balance, a balance in which you obviously have some control, some ability,
and the balance that is not dependent on one, but having several yes,
because that way, at least you can try to maneuver a little better in
case there is some kind of crisis. But, really, on a general
level we have to accept the situation we are in. But it is interesting
to think a little bit about the future and a little about seeking stability for
that future in which it may be important to regain some independence at the financial
level, at the economic level of our economies. The important thing is not
to lose autonomy in terms of ours and it is not hostility towards cultures to
determine is not that other thing, well, and in domestic code, because
you see we are on the eve of two contests. We already see that
word of electoral contest, which are very strong, because in the Basque Country,
which was next Sunday, there is an electoral consultation. Bill du Va
ahead and Bill du represents. What it represents is not that Bill looking clear,
will Dus is a conglomerate of games. Not all Bildus matches are exetarras.
No, but there is an important part that yes that by the way,
well, it is also appreciated that and I think it was of Oxandian
rigor has asked forgiveness from the victims. But of course I don' t
call terrorist the terrorist gang ETA is that these people, they go from that
stick and then you can' t ask the elm for pears. But the
truth is that the PNV seems to recede equally will not be able to govern
billu either. But this situation creates a new scenario in the Basque Country that
we will see where truth can lead us. Yes, yes, it'
s clear, because I don' t know when it was the last time
that there was a government that could be leftist in a Basque country, but
it could be possible, although the majority still point out that, even if
the elections were won, BILDU would need to agree and perhaps not enough,
then it points to that pact pnvpso as a possible government pact. Anyway,
let' s see what happens, because it' s not clear at all.
I think the campaign has been pretty good at speaking level and all that
much calmer than you' ve been, being other campaigns lately good. It
seemed to the Galician one in the sense that so there were not great outbursts
or great stories, except that issue of ETA, which in the end ended
up entering the campaign here at the last minute because of the declarations of the
candidate of Bildu, but it seems that all the concerns have been very focused
the situation of Euskadimos the policies there and in that sense, perhaps it is
an election that at the regional level can be of great importance, but at
the national level perhaps not so much or at least does not end up unraveling
too much of what the situation is at the national level. The thing is,
well, they' re, as you say, two concatenated lessons.
There' s this one, there' s the one from Catalonia. Two
regions, of course, are very important at the level in Spain. What
happens there, of course, that has just lieutenant or influence at national level
and we have to be aware of what happens. Let' s see anyway.
Well, I think it' s nice to see that there are also
other ways to do politics at regional level that at the moment seem to me
to be much healthier than what we see many times at national level and sometimes
even in Madrid, which we are also seeing too much gresca. And I
think it' s really in that sense, because it' s positive now
what you said about Bill du I think they still have work ahead at Bildu
level of their own in terms of that recognition of ETA terrorism, because it
' s still very mild, it always comes with the tailtail behind, whenever
they recognize something is to say it good, but because or this kind of
justification, I don' t think even Bill du Le ends up helping.
On the contrary, I believe that they end up hurting a party that is
good at the level of the Basque Country, because it is already very established,
but at the national level, because it still generates many reticences and,
of course, of the Basque Country cannot live on its back to what happens
in the rest of the country. Then I think it would be important for
them also to definitely leave behind everything that has to do with ETA. But
of course, as long as within their ranks there are still certain people who
were always linked to ETA, that is not going to be possible. Of
course, this killing of almost zero people from this murderous mob who have sown
in this is a very difficult thing to prosecute. The mourning is still continuing
and society is still being generous to the Spanish democratic society with these sectors.
That is why there is this great distrust and whether those susceptibilities, obviously because
of all this. But, for example, we have the Basque Country a
scenario. They are the Country Boats and Catalonia, the two centers of independence
vocation. He is an excessist separatist who has Spain and always because it happens
there is that and we have a scenario a government that also blesses his soul
to the devil for staying in power, as Sanchez is doing in Catalonia.
We now have the, of course, independence does not seem to have an
absolute majority here in Catalonia. It can almost be a party fisti and a
little bit clearer with all the constitutionalist forces that the Catalan Socialist Party is obviously.
There are the common, the common and there is also the Popular Party,
which is not also reluctant to give support to the socialist candidate Salvadoría.
But of course, if any, they interpret, they interpret that it would
be a lesser evil so that there is not the sainete, this permanent referendum
referendum, that that is impossible. It is also that, as has been
achieved, what is different and we will see that Amnesty is probably lying down
in a short time, but that still has others among children. But it
is two thirds of the House. It' s impossible. There is no
self- determination in any constitution of the world, there is no understanding,
and it is not impossible here either. You cannot say Socialist Party to make
any compositions, because it is not possible here there are no tricks of texts
to which you are accustomed. Therefore, we will also see how this Catalan
scenario is. Yeah, man, there too. Of course, I don
' t have so much to say beyond joining your comment, I, as
we say, am seeing, that there is as it was talked about quite
a repetition. As it returns, everything returns as it will return, but
we want to go back to that, that is, it returns, puigemon
returns the subject referendum, it returns to say those balances between independent constitutionalists,
that is, it is really what it wants in society and what it does
not want at all. I don' t think you want to go to
that at all. So I think it' s a proposal that probably that
proposal towards the past seems to me not going to work. I mean,
we don' t seem to be in a circumstance where that can win votes.
So that' s a little what' s getting hold of too,
of course, the PSOE, which is convinced to get a very good result
and even that it could get to rule. So let' s see what
happens now if in the end what I say, because this is my opinion,
but if in the end it ends up being, because Montt is going
to mark politics again from Catalonia, in the government or without being in the
government, because the truth that we will see again on the day of the
marmot, of course we will see ourselves again to a repetition and to return
to court and to return to that politics does not advance. And I believe
that all that to the detriment of the real interests of Catalonia, that it
really would need to move on to some place and also be able to form
some kind of government a little more stable that would allow it to develop.
Yeah, plus, that' s not gonna happen at all. I know,
I see the intricacies and I observe and also, journalistically everything and that
is not going to happen again first, because it would be the response of
the State would be much more aggressive in a very decisive way and much would
be cited to Spanish society in a brutal way and prison would already be ineternal.
I mean, it means they won' t do that again at that
level. Now the pressure. Of course, a PUC has been created instead
of a pandemonium, a PUC demonium. Yes, the Pandemonium of the Demonium
puch has been created, because and care and he is using their faces and
besides, he tells the truth, says what he thinks and says what he
wants. He' s the one who' s the least fool of everyone
and so and so and he gets it. Now he' s coming as
a messianic. If I choose, I' ll come back, if I
don' t disappear. So the osian syndrome. It' s not that
all this, this is a zaidet, it' s the never- ending
story, but we' ll see what happens. There we have both the
elections in the Basque Country and Catalonia, and there they are and look right
now at the autonomous communities. With regard to the evangelicals, the Protestants,
neither one government nor another have had more, let us say complacency with some
issues here in Catalonia. It is true, with the Protestant world, but
good, because small things are small. Now when we had the possibility of
having another regulation of enabling titles, not contestants, but grants for the stations
that we are already. And one of the denials was that we did not
meet, well to us and to most of the colleagues of secular stations,
who have a lot of tradition and a lot of experience, is that we
did not meet the conditions of third sector. And I say, after faces,
we are the ten zero times those who gather the most conditions of our
social and humanitarian aid platforms, ten thousand times more. And then, so
it' s a lie and in the end I' ve told the leaders
representatives of the current parties. I have to tell you in Catalan speaking obviously,
I have to tell you that a lot to speak bla, bla,
bla, bla, and at the time of truth nothing at all about that
victimism that you say we have, that we have ten Catholic stations that are
very professional and it is okay and we respect it commercial radio and not even
a Protestant radio station, that we do not talk only about cultic issues,
that we talk about life, that we talk about good practices, that we
talk about solidarity, that we talk about social mediation, that we talk about
faith and earthly realities. I mean, in the end, nothing. You
' re welcome, and that happens in other communities as well. Of course,
yes, let us still say that there is still, for those historical
discriminations against Protestants that are evident in this type of thing. You talk about
licenses, as we can also talk, for example, about the subject of
classes in schools and in the institutes of evangelical affliction, as in the validation
of titles, as well, the historical claim of which we have been talking
lately, of compensation to retired pastors who could not contribute during Francoism. Anyway,
there are a lot of aspects that we say are that they concern Protestants
directly to evangelicals and that we really don' t see too much interest.
It is true that, for example, in recent years, the Basque Country
has been a little more sensitive and, above all, in the last two
years, we have been able to see progress in some aspects regarding protocols that
could be signed between the Evangelical Council of the Basque Country and the Government of
the Basque Country, cooperation agreements that have not been developed too much so far
and have been given some impetus, perhaps without the development of all the positive
things that could be achieved. But there have been some interesting movements and in
this case, because on the part of the current government in the Basque Country,
the PNV. But there really is a lot left and I am also
concerned about something that is there and that often goes unnoticed at the regional level,
because perhaps it is not the regional administration that has it. Something has
to be said, but it is the subject of places of worship, which
is a subject that continues to generate problems, and not only in Catalonia,
where there are many difficulties, but also in the Basque Country. In recent
years there has also been news of the difficulties in opening places of worship in
some cities, which has more to do with the local administration, with the
municipalities. But obviously, all the administrations there could do their part to solve
and to help in these circumstances. And it is also one of these demands
that is worth remembering and that every certain time, because we present as those
things that the evangelicals really need to be able to develop And especially, when
you see that, obviously, the Catholic Church in these aspects has no difficulty
ever, then I wish that we could advance in that sense, in greater
equality and sensitivity to the needs of a collective like the Protestant, who is
always there. It is a minority collective, but I believe that historically the
authorities also recognize it as well as well as sometimes not publicly, but at
the level of talking to them. And all this the positive evangelical presence in
both communities. Yeah. That' s how he hears excellent interview that you
do to Carolina Bueno in digital Protestant, the Executive Secretariat of Ferede, talking
precisely about the pastors who couldn' t contribute all their retirement because it wasn
' t possible. And she says what she says. It is a question
of not asking for alms, not of giving us a friend please, of
doing justice, historical justice, when it is a good one Other governments have
said yes we are going to try to find a solution to this Interregno that
has been with him this issue, but no, no, no, and
this government is supposed to be more left- wing because of the social question.
Okay, but don' t get into the trap or the subject.
And very interesting also by Guillén Correa, Secretary General of the Conso Bayel,
very interesting on this same subject. It' s really a pending issue.
It is pending and we hope that at least the Government will say something.
Sometimes there is such a sepulchral silence on the part of the authorities that you
no longer know what else you should do that in the end cerebe already is
that in each meeting you repeat it in each meeting that you have also because
we try to disseminate the topic at the media level within our possibilities. I
would also like other radios and televisions and newspapers on a general level, because
the great echo of this topic, in the end, is that it is
a subject, as you said now, of memory and justice, and really
are aspects that I believe most of the Spanish population, when they know the
case, because that leads, understands and believes that it is necessary to make
this reparation. We are talking about people who are already very old, many
of them and who were unable to contribute because they were not allowed to do
so by the State in other similar circumstances over the last few years, because
they have solved the necessary aspects for those who could not contribute, because they
could have that pension. So it' s something that I don' t
think anyone is doubting that it' s fair and that' s good,
because I wish we could see it that we could see that solution. I
think it would be a very good thing. Ferede also, as you said,
is asking for an act of redress, that is to say, that
it is also publicly acknowledged that hearing was not done well. And I think
that would also be important at the level of recognition of Protestants in our country,
because because we are no longer talking about an intangible issue, we are
talking about people who really need justice if you look at it. In addition
to the judgment of the European Court of Human Rights in two thousand seventeen,
the Supreme also confirmed that pastors should be adequately compensated. However, no solution
has been seen since then, while pastors, like Pastor Apples, is that
it is very emblematic of that case between many people are dying to be many
very old and others who are, that is clear, even if in some
way, pass on to their families, something to a Histridian repair. Yes,
of course, two thousand twelve, the European Court of Human Rights two
thousand twelve. We are talking, that is, that fourteen years or twelve
years have passed, forgiveness, twelve years have passed and the Supreme Court then,
when Spain, because it reacts and tries to solve it and does not
really solve it to the subject, the Supreme I believe it was in the
two thousand fifteen or two thousand sixteen. Okay, then. How many more
years we really have to wait it is sad to be and I understand even
the frustration that evangelical representatives can feel with this subject, to represent it over
and over and over again for almost twenty years, said Carolina, well,
twenty years now presenting this subject over and over again at every meeting they have
with the different governments and without reaching a solution. I don' t really
get it, I can' t understand it well. There is no political
will for what we have talked about before the concessions, the tenders, to
which we were already contradictory, which they want us to go up to do
the mike on a tree. There is no political will, simply and it
is a comparative grievance with other religious social groups. It also means this and
other issues. Therefore, here we claim the right, democratic equity for pastors
who have to be compensated because they could not justify their retirement because it was
impossible for them at all to be denied as active and passive. So here
is a demand from this place, from the train of life, also from
digital Protestant, from all the current or angrity, all the means contribute protest,
We are all saying the same thing. Do us justice and repair this
damage and compensate the pastors who have to receive that income that they are not
receiving today. Well, this would be a question. And then, finally,
say because we talk about human conflicts that are not few of those in
our immediate environment, in domestic politics. You also haven' t talked about
Koldo and the whole gang that has to somehow report to that commission to be
questioned that, by the way, Coldon is nowhere to be found. He
' s gone, they tell him, and he has to show up on
Monday, but they can' t find him. But to see if he
' s caught us up is in theory, he can' t leave the
country because he has the passport confiscated, that is, the withdrawal to the
passport every fortnight has to show up to sign the court, so he must
be where he is now. I don' t know about that anymore.
Now you' ve seen those who make fake identity charges, passports in a
perfect way, with artificial intelligence, all this kind of stuff, and that
you can' t identify the true of the false, the false of what
there is, and well, let' s hope that it doesn' t
come to that. But the truth is that, but evangelical Christians in Spanish
Protestant stores, for example, Look at Catalonia, justice is not done to
us. We are a minority, according to the last census of the Genaritad,
three hundred twenty- zero evangelical Protestants and we are not given justice.
But, speaking of all of us in Spain, we are people of peace,
we are people of good and that is why we also see and cry
out against the war, that unjust war of Israel, against the Gazati population
and against others in any war. We' re hostile to that. We
are the gospels, the gospel of peace, Our teacher is the prince of
peace and we will always be and evangelical communities are communities of peace, of
people of peace. So we say in Catalan are gene de pau we are
not peace people. And then, well, in what way. That is
why those who hear us in the city of Iran hear, because you go
to the evangelical community, you will easily find people of good, people like
you and me, who are not from another planet. There are also people
from other countries who, by the way, evangelical communities are receiving, but
very well, very good, receiving immigration, also to make the necessary immersion
to catch up and also humanitarian aid. But this thing that we' re
peaceful people, I think it' s a speech that characterizes us truth.
Yes, I believe that in general we have always opted for positions that are
peaceful or that can contribute to peace and coexistence, a little by tradition,
but also, of course, by the same teaching that we receive from the
Gospel, that is, Jesus himself said that blessed are the peacemakers and later,
Paul says that God has entrusted us with the Ministry of Reconciliation. Then
both teachings converge in an attitude to life that is not about seeking conflicts,
but about trying to resolve them. Why. Because conflict is one of the
clear fruits of sin, one of the consequences of sin, of what the
conflict that we have created with God and the conflict that we have within us
ends up manifesting in conflict with nature, with the Projimo, and this we
end up taking also to a general level when we enter into conflict with other
nations, with other peoples, And really there we see that the worst of
human beings always comes out, that is, conflicts come out the worst of
human beings. As agents of restoration and reconciliation in the world, Christians and
evangelicals want to proclaim that there is another way of living, another way of
doing things and that it is really worth trying to fight for a better world,
not because we are better, but because it is what God can do
in us. God can give you inner peace, he can reconcile your relationship
with himself. In your relationship also with yourself and God invites us to live
a life in that sense of inner peace and outer peace, peace with ourselves
and peace that we can share with others. And that is a little bit
the essence of the message we proclaim. That is why I believe that,
naturally, we tend to that as Christians, because it is really the essence
of Jesus’ message. That' s right, my friend. Well,
there are a lot more things that we leave in the ink, friend Daniel,
but, well, I think we' ve given a little review of
some things that are in our surroundings. Listen, because this whole global village
thing, this is that you find out what' s going on in the
most remote part of the earth, not only in the planetary, atmospheric and
catastrophic upheavals or turbulences, in the worst case scenario, but dramatic social policies.
The good news is few, but we also need to. That is
why we too are messengers of good news. We received good news, the
Gospel of God, and that is the good news that man has to reconcile
with God, because God loves us despite ourselves. And man has to reconcile
with God before it is too late, because purgatory does not exist. Therefore,
he here now and Jesus is waiting for him lives true yes, so
that is what we always celebrate, for nothing more dear. Daniel sent you
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gentlemen, very well found, welcome to this special we have today with our
good friend Gonzalo Soriano, who is the promoter we all know of Biblical society
in Spain. He' s the man who wears that flag. You know
in the armies, the flagbearer is the one who carries the flag for the
army to take position. And it' s very important. If the flagman
falls, the army falls down a little bit. But if the standard-
bearer arrives and positions himself, then it is a sign that we are moving
forward, that we are going well and that there is victory and that good,
for that is the biblical society. The biblical society of Spain is composed
of looking at a very competent team with its Director General, Luis Fajardo,
who is a man Mauda azi who is really in the script the editor of
publications also Juan Triviño, we talked about I think he is one of the
most experienced men in the world of Christian and secular publications, because he has
a background of it And then, well, the whole team forms and conforms
to biblical society, in which I also have the honor of being part,
among others, with my friend President ManuelÁlvarez, and so many who collaborate
there as employees in the service of a missionary project. Look at the first
missionary we have the best who is not mute. Hey, it' s
the Bible. It' s the Bible. It is this holy book that
this is the Bible of the Reformation that the Bible Society of Spain edited a
million Bibles. It was not the motto that each Spanish home had at least
one Bible. And the truth is, well, we' re still doing
that. But to talk about the projects of the Biblical Society of Spain and
how to collaborate, because to hear this does not keep the air. It
means we have to be very clear. We have that this week I was
interviewing Reyes Gualda, who is the General Director of the Evangelic Hospital, what
we have called the now Evangeli Hospital. But now we don' t snow
is new. But now it is the Evangelly hospital of the theodo of almost
half a century, which was one of the first hospitals here of the city
Condal and a work so emblematic, so testimonial, so important. But Bible
society is the same as centerary, but in addition to being the promoter of
the Bible in various ways, Bible education programs, the Bible itself, various
versions and so on, etcetera, etcetera. Therefore, we need to collaborate,
because it is a work of faith. It' s a mission of
faith. When you see dear Bible society sells a Bible at a popular price.
Of course, in this bound that could now present the latest versions the
two thousand twenty, which are in a precious faximil, of course, at
a very popular price and others. But clear from there are the missionary projects
that are free to those who do not have the Bible, countries, indigenous
communities and other parts and humanitarian projects that are also accompanied. It is not
only preaching the faith, but giving wheat at some times, although there are
other organizations for that too, because without further delay, I welcome my friend
Gonzalo Soriano. Welcome home, well found. Thank you very much. And
yes, because you' re a little bit from here, from there,
from everywhere, from everywhere. Yes, yes, yes, from Madrid and
you are from Madrid. No, I' m not from Madrid. I
live in Madrid fifty years ago, but I was born in a village in
the province of Seville, ah Caramba, I am Sevillian. You look at
yourself, the people of Osuna usura yes, city yes, yes, yes,
and that brings me to Madrid because of the circumstances of the family times
and I am still there in Madrid, yes, yes, yes. You
' ve had you married there you' ve had family, three children,
yes, yes, wonderful and already a granddaughter yes. Yeah. Yeah.
We are entering the different phases of Grandfather' s facet and very well,
very well, very happy with the new ones, the new trajectories that we
are all adapting and trying to assimilate every stage of life that are sometimes not
so easy good that in life it has landscapes of all colors. Yes,
but take a look at why Gonzalo Soriano has been working in Bible society for
many years. It is the visible face of Bible society of us when we
go anywhere. He is the one who represents, promotes and activates projects,
as against us, some of them very important. And this also speaks of
a path and a job well done that we all recognize. But you too
in Madrid are in a church, I think you have a pastoral function as
well. In addition, in other words, we also have the pastoral ministry
shared in the church and in Madrid, in the struggle, and there we
continue to serve the lord in the different areas. And the fact that I
am a pastoral team allows me to work as coordinator of the society throughout the
national territory. Sure. Of course, I live in Madrid, but sometimes
they tell me that more in a vehicle, in a train itself, yes,
yes, yes, that it is the city itself, because there is
much that I would choose to do, of course, much territory to reach
so that the word of God arrives, that the word runs, works,
goes everywhere north, south, east and west and is glorified, as the
apostle says. Not good, then, when it comes to reality, it
is Bible society. He' s had such brilliant moments. In addition,
it is the flagship to the House of the Bible, it is the sociability
of Spain. I mean, we have to feel myself, really, I
' ve always felt good, not as a member that a few years ago
and I' m a member of the Board of Directors, but I'
ve always felt an admiration for Bible society. For what it represents and for
what it has done, what it is doing and what it could do also
with the help of all. It is a great responsibility and a burden for
us. I believe that, as a biblical society, maintaining the reliability of
a text like that of the word of God, and to that end,
the backbone of all our work remains the translation of the scriptures, that the
word of God is coming to the peoples in the language that it understands in
the heart. Yes, it is. How some have told us is that
God speaks my tongue. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah? Yeah? Yeah,
and that' s our job. Put in the scriptures, in the format
and in the translation to which all people can reach and follow. It'
s very interesting me and we have to be part of it today. He
is already retired, jubilant who is our dear José Luis Andaber, who has
been the Director General for many years, and I want publicly to honor the
work and I think we all recognize him, the great work of positioning the
Bible in not only Spain, but even the world, that the promoter of
translations that has removed heaven and earth looking for the best biblicalists and experts in
biblical texts, he himself, if involved, has traveled the half world,
but in the whole half. And the truth is, he' s a
man with inventiveness and creativity. To this day it is tremendous. We do
not owe much to José Luis, Yes, because the fact of translation is
not something that might seem easy or, as some understand, well this or
from one language to another are translated. No. The translation of the scriptures
requires a rigorous team, a complete constant team of linguists, biblists, experts
in the original languages, experts in the languages of reception many years, that
is, translating the scriptures intervene between fifteen, twenty people, more than fifteen
ten years. Yes, yes, it is a work that, we convinced
in Catalan, very curious, very careful very has to have many exquisiteness for,
moreover, the biblical texts are not any old text eva. That is
the great responsibility of the translation team that we are working with a text that
is the word of God that will reach people and, as we have mentioned,
recently with the encounter, with the scriptures of transforming the human being.
That' s right, there are two last texts. The last ones We
took a little more recent, two works that have been and are very relevant.
It is the last most recent version, the revision of the Bible two
thousand twenty, which is a very important adaptation. The essence of Queen Valera
' s style is preserved, but there are certain language idioms and words that
are updated a little. Some people are surprised to say good Jehovah, because
Jehovah has taken away himself. The first name Jehovah generated the idea sociologically.
How many millions of times have I had to say that we are not Jehovah
’ s Witnesses because of the clear theme. The name of Jehovah is a
name of Jehovah, the consonants of Jehovah or he already sees in Hebrew not
And it is not that he is. He' s here. It is
very correct that for the Jews it was without a name. God was the
unprovoked, but the name to describe a little to the figure of the almighty
God. Although God has many names in the Bible as well, but Jehovah
and we have become unaccustomed with good, he will have become accustomed to the
name and to me it is always for today’ s man the mentality of
saying Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah. Then Lord God, the man of today,
understands better. That' s totally true. The fact that texts which
in this case are not translations are reviewed are revisions. It is the fact
that language advances in language in any language. Over the years and generations,
it is moving forward, other types of words are used, expressions are used,
and that is not the case with Reina Valera and other texts. Queen
Valera has suffered, well the word. I have not suffered, but it
has been enriched in the various revisions, because it has enriched today' s
language. Queen Valera two thousand twenty is still a literature, a language of
the century of the Spanish. But of course, today there is no talk
of the same thing that was spoken in one thousand nine hundred and sixty.
It is that no one understands it, no one because there are expressions and
words that are not understood, because they have stopped being used. Sure,
and some of them are archaic. Or the old man and I set the
example of listening in a teenage conversation. Of course, as happened to me
this past week, at the broadcast meeting, you might sit next to a
group of teenagers of twelve fourteen and I had to get up saying I'
m not hearing anything at all, because they use the expressions you say.
I think they' re saying this, but that' s not it.
Yes, yes, yes, indeed the language other codes and runs so fast
that we, as a sociblical, have to go looking at that speed of
language so that the word of God remains relevant to these new generations. Then
one of the works is to review the text of Reina Valera, our Queen
Valera, which remains the text of the literature of the century of Spanish.
The doubt, the simplification of the dynamic words, the dynamic simplification of the
words, which is what is done in all the structures of ancient books,
that without losing the essences and the essential interpretation, the fact the lists are
very pure for the most part. In fact, we always do and propose
in our events, in this youth we have also done so. We give
a workshop on translation and teach to translate goes in quotation marks. But the
idea of putting an original text, putting word for word from that text that
does not make any sense, but just like putting it and making sense for
it to be understood by different levels of language, since it is a group
to translate that text or estode of exodus, so that one university student and
the other group could understand it for a six- year- old child and
the text, text of the law very well if you kill or steal an
ox at last is complex. They realized the kids were so complex. Then
there has appeared a new adaptation, which is the basic Bible language. We
have done a translation with a team that has cost you enough, because it
is to move the original text that we have so that a person can understand
it from six to eight years, to reduce the number of words in the
language that have been about four zero, four zero and some words that have
been used and that you can understand. And the director of that translation used
to call me boy, the new will has been released, but the old
one is costing us. God and help and never better said clear, because
it is very complex. There are expressions that are complex, but I think
it has already come out and is on sale this new translation, which is
falling very well, because for new readers, only for children, but people
who for the first time approach the text of the scriptures give it greater clarity
and simplicity in terms, in context either the books of the old or the
new, and this new translation is being very, very effective. The Bible
is the basic language that is for teenage children and good, and for people
who have a low cultural profile, who have a language as very primary,
they do very well. No and they don' t say any good,
but this can be vistual. No, no, no, I have a
copy and I read the Bible in basic language. I also mean, and
I find it appetizing sometimes because it' s so understandable that you say caramba.
This is understood by anyone. It doesn' t deal with translations.
When done, they don' t try to replace each other. This is
a misconception. Translations do not go out or are not done to replace each
other, but to reach the level of language of each region, of each
person and biblical societies in Spain. We have translations that are directed at these
different levels of language. From a higher language as a courageous queen or even
with many more words the word. The translation of the word uses about fifteen
zero words more than Reina Valera, also directed by university students. Then we
have God speak today which is a more common language, which uses fewer words,
about twenty thousand And so we are doing translations, but they do not
replace. I think it enriches and we don' t see ourselves left alone
with a version or a translation of the scriptures. You have to read several,
because that enriches us. As you well say, understand some phrases,
in laying down some concepts. That helps us, therefore, in the workshops
we give of the seminars, always in the question which is the best,
and our translation director is always given the same answers. The best is the
one you read clearly, yes, yes, yes, certainly, the best
is the one you do not practice. We also have the translation of the
word the version. This has taken on a lot of boom, has been
exposed to several revisions and updates. It' s a Bible of the last
few years. Work has been done, it has been revised and it is
already a very successful text and very well adapted to contemporary language. In the
Interfaith Bible. It has also been a reading that also the Editor of the
Bible Society of Spain and that has a language also very popular, but also
very well, very well translated. But the word, the word is a
very interesting version. It is also a higher level of language aimed at a
university audience that has a greater diversity of words and expressions that enrich the text
as well. No. Yes, quite that is our task, the first
yes, then the other tasks come. Sure, well, all of these
are some of the latest versions. More evidently, there is the classic of
nineteen hundred and sixty, the Nona Valera, classic of the uncle and we
have the ability of the bear. If anyone wants to have who doesn'
t, what a pro Protestant doesn' t have the bear bible in his
house. Then the first edition, of the prime edition of the queen'
s asidore, which we have the facsimiles available and then we have easy also
of the one of one thousand six hundred two. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
from the pitcher. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There is
also a previous one, a new testament of Francis of Faticas. It'
s a work of art. These people were at the time the avant-
garde intellectuals. I counter- reform it very strongly, because part of some
sectors of the nobility of the time and also of the sinturual intellectuals of the
time began to embrace or approach the Protestant reform. And there, they aborted
the Catholic Church. Abortion with a thousand strategies at the time, today,
is another obvious thing. In the Catholic Church it has another physiognomy in that
good sense and one of the things we need. I said, the greatest
missionary we have is the Bible. He is the missionary par excellence. Well,
I got this one, but this is the reform one. But there
are all of them. We haven' t brought the others I have.
I in my little house could have brought the collection of bibles that I have
a real collection. But the Bible is the missionary and Bible society carries the
Bible where many cannot access it because of economic conditions in many precarious countries.
And for that is the project of a Bible to upload me and I believe
it is in our solidarity to make Bible society clear. If Bible society edits
certain translations and certain things and promotes them and puts them on sale in that
small margin that you have to reinvest it in missionary projects, it does not
exist to enrich itself and it is not enriched and it is not non-
profit submission and it does not go that way. Then all you get is
to reinvest it. But the most important background we have is that we are
on the subject of a Bible a month because after doing the translation, we
cannot stay there what the public society does. Now we must produce and deliver
the Bible text to people in those formats that they can access. And you
have to make paper bibles and you have to make bibles like our slogan so
that people can access the price they can pay there. And that, then,
depends a lot. But I think we are the entity that makes bibles,
we are not the only one, but the one that adjusts the price
of output of a book of more than 1, 200 pages in a special
Bible paper and that does not exceed four euros. This is, this is
a bargain, is that that' s not just what society can do.
We have to wobble our brains to find what is clear, because the trade
margins only cover production costs, because what we want with us is for it
to spread and distribute as much as possible the scriptures. But not only do
we stay there with the one- month Bible project that are those people and
donors who for many are accompanying the month by month. With that small amount
it makes it possible not only to subsidize the cost of departure, but also
to make free donations for projects of the Church' s mission. We have
to support the mission that the Church does. One of them is the work
with prisons. As you know there Ministry of Religious Assistance in prisons and for
them we provide, within our means, all the material we can, free
or subsidized. Why, because it' s the church and that mystery that
' s handing it over to the prisoner for free. That' s why
he' s not going to buy it for you, of course, but
you' re going to hand it over to the prisoner and we' re
going to do it as they tell us, that' s the best way
to get it to the prisoners, that is, the format, the font
size, the type of paper, as you know, and it' s
very repetitive, but it' s still the ultra fine fine paper bibles that
prisoners smoke. Then they ask for many Bibles, but already prison officials tell
us hear no other Bible flames of these that already know what they were doing.
Fovettes pass it off as drum, which is not the hard cardboard cover
either, because that makes tools, that is, you have to think about
what format we give it. Then we are doing a free gospel behind bars,
with a very nice special role, by the way, with testimonies of
Spanish prisoners who have met the lord in prison and who give unscentable paper,
so that the gift is so that they have it in their boy or as
they say, and they can read it calmly, with a more legible letter,
etcetera, etcetera. And so, we' re making materials for free
or if we can make them free for hospitals. Yes, I mean,
there are prisons, hospitals and urban tribes that call it urban and then there
' s the transit operation uy those of a colossal magnitude. That we go
further, but I want to say that these are some of the aspects of
investment. Of course, all these are donations that are delivered free of charge
accompanied, in addition to a bottle of water, to those who are worth
transit. Operation transit is to take advantage of the transit operation of the State
that every summer, as you know, transit through our country thousands and billions
of vehicles that go from the countries of residence of northern Europe to their country
of origin, in North Africa and in the Spanish and French ports. Right
now we' re in a lot of ports waiting to take the ferret.
We gave them a free package of scriptures in their language and, in some
cases bilingual, in Spanish Arabic, French Arabic to families and we have already
delivered more than sixteen million scriptures to the ports. How we do it.
First, with the donations of one Bible a month we produce the new wills
in their language, also designed in a form and style that an Arab culture
will not reject, which is another issue that sometimes volunteers have to tell you,
because Arab and Muslim culture has a great respect for the book. Then
the book is very sacred and ours that we give over the Bible, the
Koran, is a book to which you have great respect. That' s
why we tell our volunteer Look, if you go with your Bible, don
' t take it anyway, don' t see that the twist goes or
that the painter rules, because for them that' s discrediting what we give
it. Not then do we work with the volunteers to make it a very
effective delivery according to the culture we are going to. And, on the
other hand, after producing that, what we seek are volunteers during the month
of July and August, who want to come with us to have a missionary
experience, with another culture, without leaving your country. This is a wish.
That possibility is open. That' s already open. You must enter
the website of the Bible society Slow Org, missionary projects, transit operation.
There are the dates, there are the costs of the stay. We do
so in small groups, small groups of ten twelve people, because there are
also many volunteers coming from the United States, Australia, South Africa, Lebanon,
Egypt. Of course, these people who live in Europe, the Muslims
who come in Europe, speak English and French perfectly and in Spanish nostro.
We have to speak in Spanish, that we have many and those volunteers gather
them in the ports, in schedules where the ferries enter and leave and in
those waits we deliver the material. So we' ve reduced, well reduced.
We' ve put Thursday through Monday, weekends, which is when there
' s more movement. And if in any group you want to go,
the youth groups of a church, get in touch with us and it will
be an unforgettable one. It' s an evangelistic campaign. In addition,
kind serennos and stridence, but very intentional, what is operation, transit,
the distribution of scriptures with a bottle of water, and that what awaits us
is the experience of the spiritual struggle, that struggle that Paul tells us.
We have no fight against flesh and blood. That' s where you live
with that one. You live there on the front line, of course,
look, how interesting your first line is, because it looks like it'
s easy. Well, I' m gonna give you a package. I
just have to learn three sentences in your language to deliver it. Yes,
yes, but when they are there, when you are in front of so
many people, of that condition, of that culture, the enemy tail the
evil, salan or some phrases that are to paint God bless you and such
hear, then for all that. Well, in so many chapters we have
talked about prisons that there is a huge investment in hospital pastoral care, with
hospital agents in different parts of the country, the transit operation project and there
are others. Then, too, sending to countries in precarious conditions that cannot
be found in Cuba, Venezuela, and there are countless countries in Nicaragua,
where Bibles are being sent free of charge to access the population. So Uban
Uban is a Bible a month Uban. That is how we can proactively collaborate
with this missionary who is the Bible, take her to so many places in
need with the Uban project, because Uban, entering the partner website applies or
there explains how it is a monthly fee, a minimum of five to ten
euros that each person monthly. That is why a Bible a month gives us
and we transform it into Bibles and new wills. And then, at the
end of the year, we' ll see. As you have already said,
we have given free scriptures to Bible societies that have been left by the
crisis and pandemic badly damaged economically and have sent them free Bibles to help those
populations to have scriptures. Venezuela, Nicaragua, Puerto Rico and now Cuba have
opened their hands a little bit. So it' s been almost a million
bibles. Look, notice in a short time, a little, two years,
in two years. It' s a lot, but very colossal.
But that' s why a Bible a month Uban is a Bible to the
Month and then we can make a coblation of between five and ten euros is
within reach. If one says well, I work with that they are very
worthy, with passion a solidiamente worvisión or with other solidarity initiatives, the youth
of life, who humanitarian organizations of first level or rowing, whoever it is
is formidable. That' s a very important chapter. But in our ram
it is also the life that, by the way, in sociability also assumes
some projects as well as wells in some places and humanitarian very punctual, in
extreme situations, but our priority mission is to carry the bread of life.
Then, one Bible a month helps us a lot. That is to make
us aware and to collaborate in missionary action, not only of the Biblical society,
but of the Bible. That helps and contributes to the fact that in
the Bible it was considered named to see if my memory does not fail me
as by the UN, as the other humanitarian aid. This UN certification makes
it possible for Bible societies around the world to be present in refugee camps,
in war conflicts, in the natural disasters that occur and that leave people in
their refugee camps. It allows entry so that scriptures can be distributed in these
situations, the refugee camps. It has to be thought coldly that humanitarian aid
to the doctor and food passes in the morning at 11: 30 and it
is all settled in the sense that I already have today' s food and
the doctor has passed. Now what do I do all day? What do
I do with my kids all day? What I do with my young people
all day. It is that the refugee camp is very dramatic, not only
because they are in that situation, but also because the day is very long.
Of course, then, Bible societies in those countries, with which they
are closest, send their volunteers with scriptures and work with children, with young
people. Feel to read, feel to play, and feel to bring the
tremendous scriptures to you. That' s why it' s very important to
collaborate. To do so, I use a Bible a month. Collaborate with
Bible society, please, because it is the bread of life. And besides,
it' s an insignificant thing. Five euros, ten euros that is
within reach of an immense majority in Europe, more Spanish than those in the
precarious, extreme situation, No, but most people. We can collaborate with
at least ten euros, the one that can do more, very well,
because then it is a Bible. There are two bibles a month, three
bibles, four or five bibles. Then enter the page of the Bible Society
of Spain, Org Bible Society, and they automatically get a tab, a
tab inviting you to participate in the program of a further library projects. And
this is the priority, the star of sociability to promote missionary action. But
it has good, there are many projects. He also has the neuslatter that
the letters I am going to receive and above all, those who enter into
this project have the letter. If you enter the page, in the end
you can give your email and weekly we send news of what is happening very
interesting, where are arriving the Bibles that we produce missionary services, to the
churches, to the prisons, to the testimonies, and we also have there
an audio material that we work with the Ministry of the Faith Comes by hearing
where they produce the Bible in dramatized audio. They are devices, devices that
help put the new will dramatized in those places where people cannot read what prisons
are like, such as hospitals, such as nursing homes, the residences of
minors, unaccompanied. In many places, the word of God also comes in
audio to the ear. We have apparatuses and devices that help and facilitate listening
to the dramatized New Testament and that project is underway and we have recorded the
New Testament in different languages of the national territory so that in each place they
also have in the scriptures, in their language and in audio, so that
they can listen and spread it. And it' s also being very effective
in Catalan, by the way, in Basque, well, in Galician there
were also a number of translations. Also now in Asturians you go to finished
products. Well also the new translations of the word. And all that,
that' s the chore that there' s a series of yes there'
s everything. Now we' re going to record other languages in North Africa,
because there are also populations who don' t have reading, that is,
who don' t know how to read. There is much more anolphabetism
within Morocco, Algeria and then we are recording in their own languages, also
in the New Testament. Yes, in the terilla, in the gevali,
in the riff, in the berber, which are in all these languages.
That' s interesting. Well, remember the Bible society of Spain rg there
you can access and see all the programs in progress and how to also collaborate,
besides praying that it is one now when listening to us you will tell
because of course I have to last for the Bible study, because this,
we wanted it to be a kind of showcase of the Year of Kika.
And no, no, no, this is a moving move, but at
a thousand an hour in n n n n n NS, then there are
projects as from end to end, which is a project recently in recent years,
but which is having a tremendous impact. Tell us a little good.
The extreme arises from our own research, which I did with teenagers and young
people at the various national meetings, asking the children. Hey, you guys
go with the Bible, you don' t use it, you don'
t understand it. There are not many things that we have to foresee as
much as public society as churches. But I think of my church as well
as my teenagers. Today few people move the book on paper. Most of
us carry the electronic bible, we take the vibr to electronics, but the
kids even more. And the other thing that called me the tank has all
the versions of the Bible in the clear. I always say our app is
ju version. Yeah, and if you haven' t been unloaded, you
know you won' t get into heaven. You' ll come to Peter
and ask them You' ll let go of the juversion. Well, there
they are, not only ours, there are all the translations and versions of
other entities, of other parks, that they are all together and we have
not closed the door to others, but that juversion has all and also has
them in audio and video notice And based on that with the guys who also
told me Mira, we do not talk about Jesus to our companions and our
companions do not know who Jesus is. And he tells me one. I
was walking with a friend and he told me to listen to that building what
it is. And the other stranger said because a man a church do not
know at home, they tell them nothing about religion. Nor do we have
a growing generation at school without the values and knowledge of Christendom, unlike us,
who have been born into a varligious, Catholic, but religious culture.
But now they don' t, now they don' t know, they
don' t know who Jesus is. They don' t know what Christianity
is. Interestingly, this is not sociologically if they are doing studies and adolescents
and young people do not know. There is the total Christianization of Europe in
the last thirty years. But galloping then, with these elements that we have
thought of developing this project that we have called him from end to end,
that is, from one end a person who knows nothing about Jesus, to
present him to Jesus, to make him follow Jesus, accompanying him on a
journey in four moments or in four ways that can awaken that interest in knowing
Jesus. And we do it through one of the biographies of Jesus, Gospel
Matthew, Mark Luke or John. And we have it in images, because,
of course, it' s a very visual generation. And the first
thing we do is present Jesus in images. And we have alum of Project
and there you can see on the website. It is a Smark Project,
that is, it is a small projector, that very modern, that does
not need cable, is charged with battery. He doesn' t need sound,
because he brings his own speaker. You don' t need anything but
to put it on a table and project it to a wall and you have
all the gospel Wow. And what today is the biblical text, It is
not a script is not the chosent film although it is very similar, but
it is they have made a gospel in images, recreated in the culture of
Palestine, of that audiovisual. I saw what I saw and it' s
fine. It doesn' t envy shows in another hour, but the great
performers And it' s the biblical text, it' s the Bible text,
the gospel explained as it is, but the dramatized one made in images.
So we' ve recommended having a group of people, young women.
I always thought of it as teenagers. I' m going to introduce you
to Jesus, because since he was born, when he was a child,
when he was a public person who went to his death, of course,
and his resurrection in six or seven and more steps, he can be presented
and we do it with the Bible text in a place in John, in
scenes of no more than three minutes, two minutes and a half three minutes,
which is what a teenager will endure. Of course and from there,
the image gives many riches of dialogue and the person who is there dialogues,
they talk, they ask, a dynamic is established among them very good.
After what we do is take them to listen to it instead of seeing it.
We heard it dramatized, that we also have a team, a party.
It is that we have mentioned before that you can hear it and then
what I encourage you to read it, because the idea is to bring you
to the word, to the text that opens the Bible and read it together,
the power of the word, effectively and then live it in Community.
Listen that extreme project is great and we have reports still in the churches of
ours and others that we are talking about. And it' s great because
it' s contemporary, it' s practical, it' s more pedagogical
for the youth mentality, because it simplifies it and, besides, it'
s very functional and it' s a first- class evangelism tool. I
mean, this is a free offer that makes sociability. But of course,
when someone makes a free offer, the correspondence of a church or a group.
Please make a generous donation to Bible society. I always tell you that
it is not free for although it is, obviously, because it is a
very nice project and that it has jumped beyond the young, because there are
churches that have already incorporated it into the small home groups where you invite perfect
for groups. Yes, because the image tells you things, yes, yes,
yes, things and the cost has moved. You just have to tell
me what you' re doing. WOW. Some people tell me how.
Yeah, in a month we' re gonna call you to tell us how
you started, what' s going on, how you' re implementing it.
And we keep track of the almost eighty- two projects that are already
in progress or extreme this project and then the biblical society, in addition to
those that we have mentioned, above all, remember that there is one that
is crashed the star that is the Uban project, is the project of recectation
of fonts to invest it in all this, of scriptures, in scriptures.
Then let us actively collaborate now with God begging and with the deck giving and
the deck in the benign sense of the word. It is donations to a
missionary agency, such as the Biblical Society of Spain, which puts the word
of God at the disposal of the people, of the people of various segments,
and then sociability also produces. He has many productions of also help,
support, as well as Bibles and such truth has a lot of things we
have to offer churches tools that help him to make the word of God visible
where they are, such as biblical expositions. You can also see it there
on the website. We have three four exhibitions offering it to the churches to
make them visible. It' ll be here next week. Here comes San
Boy an exhibition we call Bible and culture. It is a Bible tour of
what it tells us, what it is made up of, how the Bible
has influenced Western culture, music, cinema, painting, sculpture, art,
language, how the Bible is present in all those areas. And there are
thirty- six digitized panels, beautiful, eye- catching, and besides,
we put copies of Bibles, about two hundred copies with Bibles in languages of
the five continents. And that' s where people end up. To say,
then, a Bible, a Bible potion. There is only one,
not many, but it is an exhibition that enriches the congregation, that makes
it visible in the cultural center or in the place where it is and can
invite the neighborhood to what is important for us the word of God in all
formats, there you can see it in many languages, in new formats,
digital, etcetera, etcetera. There are other exhibitions that also support all that.
In addition, we are offering Bible science seminars to churches that want to
acquire more capacity than we talked about at the beginning of proposed translations. We
also have a channel on YouTube Bible society and have all the free seminars that
emerged in the pandemic. In the pandemic we sit down and now what do
we do the subject of the seminaries of the Bible sciences, that practically once
or twice a month, twice before. This is very interesting of the highest
level. Yesterday' s was very good. It was him, because it
' s the project we' re starting from translation or putting the bible in
people with neurouniversities. I' ve been listening to this subject. I didn
' t hear it coming, but I could compare it. But you can
' t see it because it' s there for free or that one.
The subject as we would think about, for example, autistics, people with
Asperger and so many others are one, but they have a language difficulty and
for them they are making texts with specialists, with associations that work with them,
etc. The project has started which is going to be long and expensive,
very expensive. Sure, sure, good, or look at the Bible
society of Spain. We are talking to Gonzalo Soriano, who is the man,
the man orchestra, because he takes in dance the whole project of promoting
biblical society. He is the man who explains everything to us in detail,
who is present at events and, well, with all the human team that
work. There, then, is our Director General, Luis Fajardo, all
also the Director of Publications, Juan Triviño, a magnificent worker of one of
the most brilliant minds on editorial issues in the publishing world in general. And
then, well, everything, a series of workers who are there at the
work site so that this job gets where it has to go. Remember one
Bible a month you can make a contribution project, a monthly duration per person,
but also as a church, we can make a private one. You
can make a ten- euro native. A church can make a native fifty
euros. It' s five bibles, well, it' s five icings
It' s more than five bibles, but it' s a bigger project
or twenty or thirty or fifty or one hundred euros. It is making the
most important missionary of the evangelizing work, which is the Bible in this case,
available to many and those who cannot easily obtain it with hospital prison projects,
this operation transits people from different segments and then countries that are in maximum
economic precariousness and are sent to them free of charge. Obviously, that'
s one of the objectives, because I think we' re going to leave
it here, but we' ve given a very wide view. Well,
it' s not bad and more than you can see on our Org Bible
Society website and those who are thinking or not going to talk about selling.
Yes, we also have bibles for sale and in our online shop is all
bible com very important. In all white you can find all the books in
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Rocca. Here, on the train of life, let' s talk today
about the problem of human pain. Cease, Luis has already talked about this
problem. Pain is a universal and inevitable mystery that overwhelms and baffles the human
being in general. More or less anaesthetic formulas are often proposed, passive resignation
to escapism or nullification of the will, but no case solves the questions that
every man is asked, every man and every woman, what sense suffering has,
how painful reality is harmonized with divine goodness. Sometimes one feels with and
feels that God is nowhere or feels abandoned by God. Well, we'
ll talk about this and what to do when the disease changes our life and
that of our family, how to deal with this. Let' s look
for Dr Roca' s contest, support, and wisdom. This morning he
wants the train of life hello. Dear, friend, Dr Roca, how
about hello brought Julio Good- bye, Dr Roca, the good pain.
Cese, Louis, the famous thinker who was close to being a literary Nobel
in his time, Oxford professor, this man, this Irishman, who has
written very interesting books. After being an agnostic, a retamed atheist, he
wrote the problem of pain. He says pain is like a loudspeaker from God.
How' s that, how you eat that, well, look.
Pain is something that accompanies the human being from birth. We are already born
in our mothers, We are in the world with labor pains, the baby,
although he cannot express it verbally, but we do know that he has
great suffering. Today, this is best known for all the technical advances regarding
the secretion of dorfins substances similar to morphine that the see will segregate in your
brain so that it is bearable that moment of pain also, unfortunately, many
times at the end of life we see that pain is there also and especially
when there are serious diseases that end the life of the patient And throughout life
has wanted Julio. You know there are very pleasant moments for others with a
lot of pain and different kinds of pain, which says so many times God
speaks to us. He does it through nature, he does it through his
word, he does it through all his revelation and those voices we often silence.
But God speaks louder when the pain appears. And from there you can
say that pain is a loudspeaker for God. Not because sometimes God will put
us up and use the pain to listen to him. It' s a
paradox. But I really recommend this book by Cese Luis the problem of pain,
which is really a manifesto, because he tells it from his own experience
of pain, when his own wife suffered from a cancer that was painful,
painful in extreme and, moreover, relatively long, and this was a very
great emotional pain. And from there, in his reaction against divinity, at
some point, his deep, deep, deep reflection led him to a reunion
with God and he realized things that are really not easy to discover. Right.
Yes, the truth is it' s a curious case, because it
' s not the most common thing in our experience. Quite the opposite.
People often deny God in the face of a particular problem of this kind.
And the question is why me, because now, because my wife, because
my son and unfortunately, there is no sensible answer that we can give them.
Yes, but it is an admirable fact that this Louis, in that
moment of pain, through an internal process, comes to conviction and also to
the recognition of God. And well, because he to God did, he
has left a lot of magnificent works and I remember in my days as a
theology student the letters of the Devil to his nephews, which are very greasy
pieces and very instructive. But focusing on the subject at hand. And it
is surprising that someone, through pain, without a previous experience, opens the
door of faith. Rather it is often the opposite People often deny God.
He usually denies God many times. This is terrible, but we live like
this. Now, when we go into pain, it would be, then,
the center of what we are dealing with, Dear July. We can
classify pain in different ways. We will perceive it in acute situations, which
can be of greater or lesser intensity. We all know when we talk about
what we' re talking about, he didn' t have a migraine,
he didn' t have a headache, he didn' t have a pain
in some limb, in a leg in his hand, who didn' t
hit himself, who didn' t break a bone. And we know what
a pain we call acute. Acute because it appears quickly and its duration is
usually limited in the time taken care, that this acute does not mean that
it cannot be serious. Myocardial infarction is also an acute pain and can have
terrible consequences. But these acute pains, once they have passed, usually remain
a memory, a vain memory, I would say to you, for example,
surely if there are many, there are women who have given birth that
are listening to us right now, they know the birth pains, but after
the time and joy they have for having the creature has passed, the birth
pains are not forgotten, but they are relegated to a corner of the memory.
That' s a sharp pain that' s probably not going to leave
great aftereffects on a person' s behavior. However, when he is in
pain, it is a prolonged, intense, inhuman, heartbreaking, unbearable pain,
which often requires high- end, high- level medicines to make him
bearable, to make him controllable. Place the doubt that will leave a mark
on the human soul. One of the footprints is probably the humiliation of pride.
You know about human beings, we' re very proud. That is
a widespread tendency and in the face of such situations of brokenness God can use
that pain to bring about a change of attitude of the person and indeed so.
Many times we see changes. There are no people who also live,
as I would say, making use of those circumstances and become complaining, even
as they exploit their privileged position within the family and even sometimes observe pyramidal behaviors
within the family. Based on this experience of pain, which is all centered
and sometimes physical, it is sometimes neurotic. Sometimes it takes a lot to
differentiate and many times, then, to do a detailed study of the patient
to differentiate between the real pain of the body and neurotic pain or mental pain.
Of course, there are many neurotic circles in a disease. Right.
Yeah, let' s see, the human being is complex. We are
not talking about an opening, a simple thing, a basic mechanism. We
are talking about the coronation, the culmination, the creation of God. We
are the icing of the cake, to put it graphically. God created beings
created the world, created things, created living headquarters, animal plants, but
notice that the last of creation is man. Well, someone can take him
away to say good is the woman, if she can do the wise best,
no more perfect, because God somehow, he wanted it that way.
But certainly there are people who live it from neurosis in July and there is
a lot of neurotic aspect, also certain diseases cared for. That doesn'
t mean we don' t have to pay attention to him. On the
contrary, because sometimes we see people who have them linden. Or they'
ve gone to the family doctor and been branded neurotic, given an anxiolytic,
decisive entity and really had a terrible, serious pathology, and it' s
unfortunate that that happens. Let' s see, it happens. We are
human, all of us, including doctors and many times, especially in the
current system is about saturation. I understand that these things can happen. I
don' t justify them, but I can undertake them. And the truth
is what to do when illness and especially painful changes our lives and, of
course, also that of our family. True, how this is dealt with
is difficult and especially when it is a pain. You know that pain can
be a prolonged pain, but a disease that is not anticipated to result in
a fatal outcome. And this is what can be present there years and years
and years with limitations, sometimes with deformities of the patient' s joints,
with limitations on mobility, to the state of the soul that is going to
be greatly affected in these patients. And then there' s the pain in
extremis that ends up armal and that one already knows that that patient has the
days numbered and in those cases the doctors. I think it' s a
good thing we do. It' s the potent painkillers to be patient with
a quality of life. Sometimes ten days less than life means ten feet less
pain. We are not in favor of profit, no one thinks this,
but we are in favour of a human treatment of the patient and of pain.
We have had cases in which the patient has been found unable to recover
and then we have chosen prior consent, of course, and many times by
request to express the patient will be given and good to keep the constancy until
God takes it, because the pain is something tremendous. In these cases and
apart, it is a fruitless pain, because life is limited. Of course
how important it is to at least arm yourself with this thought, this attitude.
When I was remembering, when the Apostle Peter who speaks much of suffering
in his first letter, by the way, and addresses those who suffer in
the whole world because of faith in Christ, he says arm yourselves with this
same thought, speaking of the sufferings of Christ. Well, then we'
ll see what it is. It could be a perfect moral for the believer
who really finds a strength in this Not resignation, because resignation is a drowning
despair, right. Yes, you see, resignation is a despair to very
well diverse more today than to God. Thank you, science has come a
long way. And the truth is that I have to tell you, dear
Julio, that today, to God thank you, we do not have a
patient who lives a condition of pain of our society. In others, I
do not say, but in our society, neither official medicine nor doctors allow
people to live in extraordinary pain. You even know we have special units,
specific and specialized in pain treatments. And let' s say, then,
when you can no longer do anything else humanly to prolong or save the patient
' s life. And in this sense, because I consider that an attitude
to pain is also very positive, because what can we do to deal with
pain, apart from seeking human help? I believe, Julio, that we
have to seek human help? When we are not able to find a solution
for ourselves, which is most of the time. But we also have to
seek help from another nature, because otherwise discouragement can be catastrophic. Of course,
spiritual help that is understood, divine help and some say good, but
this, this, this, how it is eaten as clear, this might
not be a placebo much less. But when the disease, a chronic and
also painful or tortuous disease and also for the family, it is very important
to give some guidelines, as you are doing, so that we have the
best possible attitude to the disease, which often helps us to overcome. I
have seen people take a different attitude to illness and arm themselves with an inner
strength. I would really tell you to superhumanize and deal with the matter in
an extraordinary way. It' s true. I am also a witness of
patients who have been in a good state of health or who have gone to
medical consultations due to banal pathology and who, well, patients who, even
then, have had calasified like sensitive people, nervous people and at the time
that they have appeared in a situation of these, in which one thinks to
flee are patient before a situation of these limits, how they will respond.
And surprise, tremendous surprise. We have seen a change of attitude, an
absolutely different paradigm, of behavior in those people who have drawn strength from weakness
and who have found many of them in God, an extraordinary consolation and I
am not talking about a resignation, as you said, but of true consolation
of beveda support, because, in short, we are in this life of
passage that Julius you already know, we do, we live, we are
a little lucky, we reproduce ourselves, but we all have an end.
Yes, exactly, exactly, and that' s where Luis stood when he
addressed his subjects, the problem of pain, which, by the way,
is very striking, not that everything I strongly advise this book that he wrote
it just before the problem with his wife, who died of cancer, because
he married very much as a major. He married very old and was very
old and well, of course, he was immensely happy. She was a
divorced woman she married and practically enjoyed very little of the marriage because she contracted
this cancer. First they had to stretch a chest and then, at that
time, surgery was another more invasive thing. And then, evidently, the
loss with the son, the boy to whom he and lands of gloom,
which is a film that can still be found in the m that have passed
it on Spanish television several times describes the history of that moment, of the
history of Cese Luis, And it is very interesting for people because they will
also find in this topic an experience with which to identify themselves does appear.
It' s not a very long book. Julio I don' t remember
if it reaches 100 pages. I think it doesn' t even come in
time, yes, I have it here, it has about 150 pages,
because something else. I thought I remembered that it was less pages. Okay,
but I' m fifty. It is still a little long book,
which can be read and it is a book of great benefit, recommended,
especially recommended for everyone, of course, but especially that people who are hearing
us and are in that situation of the parity of some physical and acute pain,
be chronic, be emotional, be spiritual, I think it is a
book that can help them a lot In this teacher of understanding. Yes,
the pain of Jesus of Nazareth during his early earthly experience was truncated. Jesus
was a carpenter, he was the son of Joseph of Mary. His story,
well, it' s an exceptional story. When he begins his public
ministry already as a preacher and begins he leaves his carpentry, but suddenly,
after three and a half years of public ministry, he is stopped by all
the hostile forces that pursued him because he was who he was and because of
the charisma he had. And then, but he, before being crucified,
was killed, he suffers a lot. He suffers a great deal in the
Getsemani with the torture that inflicts him and, of course, the suffering of
the cross is inexplicable. Right. If he doubts, although I believe that
Lord Jesus is not only limited, of course there is also great physical suffering,
but I believe that there is still a probably greater suffering which is the
suffering of separation with his father, the situation of abandonment in which he feels
that moment and that he claims that situation. But physically, no doubt,
only one has to contemplate the barbarity to which he was subjected. It'
s something to experience. I' m not much of a person who visualizes
scenes of violence because I personally feel damaged, they bother me. There are
films that I never intended to see, not because you see that cruelty of
the human being, that suffering that is freely inflicted on third parties. But
I think Net Gibson' s passion is very representative. Yes, breed the
barbarities. Jesus had to seem really heartbreaking triary I break the soul to whom
he beholds such barbarities and all that pain, he experienced and, besides notice,
he remained hung on the cross. It is estimated that for six hours,
six hours of constant torture, until he died in his own drowning,
in his own blood, because he was flooded inside of water, as the
doctors say, so that he could breathe, without being able to pump the
blood, by the wounds and by the brutal cardiorespiratory clairvoyance that ended his life.
Something terrible Julio, inexplicable, of course, the pain. That is
why Louis, when speaking of the problem of pain, who speaks of divine
omnipotence, divine goodness, human evil, the fall of man, human pain,
and speaks a lot about pain, speaks about hell and what and about
heaven and animal pain. By contrast, it is because he was a philosopher
besides, he was a professor of literature and was a candidate for the Nobel
Prize in Literature. He was an intellectual like the cup of a town.
In fact, this was what had taken him away from God until his friend
Tolkin, the famous author of the Lord of the Rings, who was a
fervent believer, came close to faith. And then this man, when he
writes all this in the dilemma of human conflict, of suffering, of pains,
of all kinds of pains and disappointments and of what the human being is.
In his fall, he comes through the intricacies of philosophy and has as
a light and reading of the Bible, which sheds a lot of light on
him. It comes to an encounter with God and where even in the midst
of pain, it discovers the goodness of God and the omnipotence of God and
is an authentic revelation. The truth is, it' s an extraordinary experience.
The one that is Luis counts in this book and he does a detailed
study. Let' s also say all that suffering is. But look at
what motive, that this is a curious thing and what, maybe it'
s good to reflect on what motive he did this research apart, he did
it from a person with a high capacity, with a high cultural level of
knowledge, as he has shown, but he does it motivated by a personal
problem. There' s a situation that leads to this situation not and you
know the food tastes better when we' re hungry. True, yes,
yes, really when human beings realize their need for God and seek Him.
Well, he always goes, I have no doubt. That' s right.
God always comes to pass. God always comes to pass. But one
must have that desire before life, before the circumstance, before the conflict,
before the pain or sin of seeking God. And when we look for him,
something wonderful happens. When we found him. That' s the truth.
Yeah, that' s the truth. Well, I' m not
clear. If we find him, Julio. I think he meets us,
he doesn' t find us. I think it' s a more accurate
definition. He finds us in us. And because, really, because we
arise the will, faith in the heart of man, God comes to pass.
We all have our way to Damascus, we all fall off the horse.
There is a final reality, already because this reflection gives much of itself
the power of the Cross, the suffering of Jesus and his death definitely,
and let us no longer speak of his resurrection, which was portentous. But
all that pain, that suffering, on the Cross. But on the Cross,
because of that death, there is a fortress. Not only is there
forgiveness of our sins, there is a liberation, there is a renewal of
total life, but when we approach that cross, but when we are in
an eventuality, in a contingency of life, the truth that the Cross,
the person of Jesus, comforts us, the Holy Spirit encourages us. The
Cross of Christ is a sort of evaluation of you. Well, it'
s been our experience in some fragments of our life. True in modest like
this Julio has been loved, you know well, because no one is excenter
of suffering and we have not had moments in our lives either, and God
knows that who will wait for us in a future that will bring us to
a future where we have experienced the pain, the great physical pain, the
great emotional pain or the request of loved ones, you have loved loved one
another with the soul, also situations proper to the own life that has led
us. And really there dear Julio, the painkiller or the antio depressive,
serves little, because it is something experiential. Moreover, even I will tell
you that for me I consider that when a person has a situation a point,
as if the death of a loved one, there is no situation of
mourning, of pain, of manifestation. That' s not normal. At
least it' s not normal. The experience of that person has a tremendous
blocking of the person who does not experience a break in that situation there is
a blocking I always when I think about these things. It' s a
subject that, as a doctor, I' m passionate about. And you
know that doctors, because one of those great goals is to relieve the pain
of our fellow men. But I am passionate when I read in the Gospel,
that passage where Christ before the tomb of his friend, the soul of
Lazarus and still being in the Lord of life, and even knowing that he
will resurrect him and even knowing all that he knew that this wept before Lazarus
' tomb. The trait of humanity that I would say overflowing is also presented
by him at that time of pain as he manifests that so human characteristic of
bursting into weeping at a loss. And this is positive, because it releases
as well. This moves within the chest energies and frees us from more severe
sufferings than I do, Julio. That' s right, dear, friend,
the truth is that it is a broad subject that we could continue to
address with other fringes and other important aspects, but we have to leave it
here already knowing that we really have consolation, we have strength in God and
we also have good resources that are also given to us, to know,
forming a support network through the family in cases so also help and strengthen the
patient himself with important medical and psychological assistance and, of course, spiritual,
this can help to take another attitude of the disease and before the crisis of
the lasting disease, right, it is good that we do not hide our
pain, not even emotional pain, but that we share it with family,
with friends, with professionals, with pastors, with counselors. This is going
to ease us. But above all, above all, to share that pain,
that situation with God, who is the great comforted. This is how
we have proven it over and over again, and those of us who speak
here can also testify. Dear friend, I send you a very affectionate hug
and we will speak shortly as well, Dear friend, a very strong hug.
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