WEBVTT 1 00:00:13.919 --> 00:00:21.320 Good morning, friends and friends, I am Julio Pérez and this is the 2 00:00:21.480 --> 00:00:27.920 train of life, a radio adventure along the routes of the heart. I 3 00:00:27.960 --> 00:00:33.280 want to invite you to travel with me and dream together in a better world, 4 00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:38.679 a different world where men and women of good will can live in peace 5 00:00:38.799 --> 00:00:45.960 and freedom. The train of life is a magaxine of good news and hope. 6 00:00:49.079 --> 00:00:54.359 This is a radio time specially designed for people like you and like so 7 00:00:54.439 --> 00:00:59.880 many truth seekers, of the only truth that can make us free come Te, 8 00:01:03.480 --> 00:01:07.599 I invite you to travel with us on the safest train of all, 9 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:18.040 which will definitely take you to safe harbour. This is the train of life. 10 00:01:38.079 --> 00:01:55.760 Well, well, very good morning, Spain, bon day, friends 11 00:01:55.799 --> 00:02:01.319 and friends, we are already traveling on this train in no untiring thirty- 12 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:07.959 two years, week after week, a magaxin of more than three hours, 13 00:02:07.919 --> 00:02:13.199 accompanying so many friends to hundreds to thousands as they count and many guests who 14 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:19.319 are with us day after day. Come with me this morning that we also 15 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:21.919 have something very important to tell you. We' re going to travel together. 16 00:02:22.039 --> 00:03:19.199 We' re going there on the train of life. Let me make 17 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:23.960 this headline, which is precisely the headline of the publication of my new book, 18 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:30.360 My second book, is a book based on experiences that have to do 19 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:37.680 with this traveling train. They are also reflections of a pilgrim, of one 20 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:40.319 of so many one who travels through life, in this case, a servant 21 00:03:40.439 --> 00:03:46.919 and who is counting life, is having sensations, impressions, observes some and 22 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:54.240 others. It makes good reflections, both spiritual and philosophical and also very everyday 23 00:03:54.319 --> 00:04:01.080 and very of us, ordinary citizens. Well, I' m telling you 24 00:04:01.159 --> 00:04:05.599 that this weekend, on the Amazon platform, you' ll be able to 25 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:09.560 dispose of it and for all intents and purposes it' s already there on 26 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:13.199 the platform, but this weekend it' ll be available for sale. The 27 00:04:13.319 --> 00:04:16.160 book of Julio Pérez, a servant traveling on the train of life, as 28 00:04:19.360 --> 00:04:26.000 I advance them. I remember when we started this radio magaxin, the train 29 00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:30.600 of life, somewhat adventurous in the spring of the ninety- two, on 30 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:34.160 the eve of the Olympic Games, the Olympic Games of Barcelona of the ninety 31 00:04:34.360 --> 00:04:36.720 - two that was in July an unforgettable year, the year of Spain. 32 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:42.120 This was undoubtedly considered the year of Spain, both for the celebration of the 33 00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:49.120 Barcelona Games, the Olympic Games and the universal exhibition of Seville. And really 34 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:53.839 for all of us it was a year of great success. We never got 35 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:58.519 a medalist. I think we got a ski medal at the Olympics, at 36 00:04:58.600 --> 00:05:05.079 the Winter Games with Fernández Ocheas and after decades Franco still lived. I remember 37 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:10.759 he came in as a great hero for the Castilian, but we didn' 38 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:16.519 t win anything. It was and that in those Olympics between twenty- two 39 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:21.199 and twenty- three, medals, silver medals, bronze medals, gold medals 40 00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:26.439 in the Spanish athletes. And also that year, in addition to the Year 41 00:05:26.439 --> 00:05:29.639 of Spain, the Universal Exhibition and the Olympic Games, was the year of 42 00:05:29.639 --> 00:05:34.000 the modernization of Spain. In many ways. The infrastructures of Spain were very 43 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:46.160 advanced and especially Barcelona gained a citizen impulse as a city was updated in such 44 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:51.000 an important city. True, those heights were still considered in terms of the 45 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:56.040 train of life that we started in the spring a little bit on the eve 46 00:05:56.720 --> 00:06:00.439 of the Olympic Games. At that point it was considered in the evangelical world 47 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:04.360 that a radio program like the Train of Life in the ninety- two was 48 00:06:05.319 --> 00:06:14.560 too mundane a program. And why, because we interviewed people of all human 49 00:06:14.600 --> 00:06:21.519 disciplines. We interviewed athletes, just a posteriori, some of the athletes who 50 00:06:21.639 --> 00:06:29.519 won medals, both Christians, some of them We had the opportunity to interview 51 00:06:29.560 --> 00:06:33.279 them international as some national and good, and we interviewed some believers, others 52 00:06:33.319 --> 00:06:38.959 did not, but we told us things about life and talked with journalists, 53 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:47.000 writers, theologians, doctors, specialists, psychologists, good of everything, artists 54 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:55.839 from any artistic field. And it was considered that this was too mundane a 55 00:06:56.279 --> 00:07:01.279 program at the discretion of some, and that made me think that we had 56 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:08.000 come quite late to dialogue with our generation in the different spheres of social life, 57 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:13.560 because we were totally or almost totally decontextualized. The train of life. 58 00:07:14.439 --> 00:07:21.399 Humbly and without pretense, I realized that I was a precursor to a different 59 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:28.120 narrative in the evangelical media. Since then and in the last thirty- two 60 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:32.759 years, I have been able to see with great joy the emergence of a 61 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:39.839 new generation of Gospel communicators in the evangelical media, as I can tell you 62 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:46.399 Juan Carlos Parra, Daniel Diez, Fernando Díaz, Lucho, Panduro Bueno and 63 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:54.319 Daniel Va Luja, a servant among those who are in the media, who 64 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:59.319 are journalists, journalists and many of them avant- garde, training journalists, 65 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:05.439 are academics and, in addition, social communicators. I mean, we' 66 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:11.240 re not undercover here making an amateur. It can also be if it is 67 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:13.480 given well, the art of communication, because it has the right. Look 68 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:18.519 Luis del Olmo did not study at the university and has been the best journalist 69 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:24.199 that Spain has had in recent years, the one who invented the radio talk 70 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:28.680 and, besides that Doctors Causes was named for his career. In addition, 71 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:33.320 I had the pleasure of working with him, at least in the sphere of 72 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:39.919 his influence in the late nineties on zero wave and good and enjoyed a man 73 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:45.639 of tanintal, with that radio empathy he had and with that special gorge, 74 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:50.720 then. But, but in our realm a certain generation of communicators and others 75 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:54.679 have risen and others that are there, that are maters, but that do 76 00:08:54.720 --> 00:09:01.279 very well as radio life intermature and others in locals, in different places. 77 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:07.519 It means that we have advanced in the media with this whole new generation, 78 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:13.240 which is a bolder and more contemporary generation. But I say again humbly I 79 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:18.840 believe that the Train of Life was a precursor program of this new narrative in 80 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:24.720 the evangelical media. This has even been publicly stated by several of these journalists, 81 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:30.519 publicly as the Ten of Life was a standard bearer of a new narrative, 82 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:35.919 a new language, an approach to reality, to the present day. 83 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:39.679 The Ten of life wanted to be a kind of living parable, describing human 84 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:46.840 landscapes and also open dialogues, with hundreds, hundreds and no longer exaggerating of 85 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:52.159 guests who have been telling us things and cases of life, always with different 86 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:56.080 nuances in many aspects, in others, well, as everyone tells it, 87 00:09:56.559 --> 00:09:58.360 because we are of the same pasta, the, the, the, the 88 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:05.440 human community. But there are unknown aspects and angles. That blind self of 89 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:11.720 human spirituality well explained, without mysticisms and without unusual eccentricities, but just as 90 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:16.679 the scripture, the word of God makes known and we have been able to 91 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:22.120 do so and we continue to do so. Travelling on the train is an 92 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:28.120 experience that I personally find very rewarding. I love to travel by train. 93 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:31.399 I travel a lot in the birds, a lot Madrid, Barcelona and other 94 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:35.919 destinations as well, but much more Madrid Barcelona in the bird. Old often 95 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:43.840 to different places in the country and I can find certain parallels with our journey 96 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:46.639 through life in general. What you are there on the train in your thoughts, 97 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:54.879 you are seeing the external landscapes, some because they are landscapes because of 98 00:10:54.879 --> 00:11:01.039 fields, countryside, through mountains, sunset is sunrise Sometimes you see some population 99 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:09.360 than another. And with these trains so fast, actually then traveling is an 100 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:15.200 interesting thing. From our particular train of life, we see the outer world 101 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:20.720 encircled, as I say with the landscape, also performing various tasks while traveling. 102 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:24.519 In addition to gliding from time to time, if the trip is a 103 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:30.600 bit long because we do not travel by train, we can also read, 104 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:31.559 read or write. I read, for example, I buy one or two 105 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:37.320 paper newspapers, because I read every day of four or five newspapers online to 106 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:41.759 stay up to date, but I like to have the paper and when I 107 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:48.159 travel by train. I try to have newspapers write on our laptops. We 108 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:52.759 can also talk on the phone. We can talk to other passengers occasionally inside 109 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:56.360 that many people don' t want to talk, but some do and we 110 00:11:56.399 --> 00:12:01.440 talk about any inconsequential things. Some of them tell you things that are really 111 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:09.279 just hot and how we can' t get close to the coffee shop to 112 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:09.759 enjoy a good coffee or have an xpress sandwich if we feel like it. 113 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:16.200 Meanwhile, the train continues its course unstoppably until we reach our final destination. 114 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:22.759 Where life is going. Yeah, it' s like a running train that 115 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:28.679 transports us to different places. Sometimes we also experience some rather disturbing journeys, 116 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:35.480 even startling ones, some time and in the worst cases, as we lived 117 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:39.720 a few years ago here in Spain, in Madrid, the eleven meters we 118 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:46.399 celebrated the twenty years recently, the tragedy of trains, of trains of death, 119 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:52.399 not certain trains that can lead us, in the worst case, to 120 00:12:52.440 --> 00:13:00.399 a fatal destination. Other trains of life also in many cases people have lost 121 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:07.320 both their compass and brakes. They have no brakes, no control of themselves, 122 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:15.320 and they travel aimlessly exposed to total disaster from moment to moment. But 123 00:13:15.799 --> 00:13:20.240 if the real train of life is the one we take, it leads us 124 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:24.480 to a certain and safe destination, it is the train of life. The 125 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:28.159 great engineer who runs this train, the traveling train is the same. Lord 126 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:33.960 Jesus Christ, our great Timonel, not of the ship, but of the 127 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:37.279 train that leads us in life. And it' s true, it seems 128 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:43.480 like a parable and it is, but it' s true and for that 129 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:46.600 very reason I wanted to publish this collection of public reflections. It' s 130 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:50.919 fifty reflections with five seasons. Actually there are six, because the season ends 131 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:58.360 at the sixth station and then a final epilogue. I also have the honour 132 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:05.720 of being prologued by the Director General of Aeropago Protestant, Don Pedro Tarquis, 133 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:11.759 who has an exquisite verb and I thank him very much, because all the 134 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:15.320 words that dedicate me. Therefore, I wanted to publish this collection of reflections 135 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:20.279 that I have titled traveling on the train of life, temporary reflections for an 136 00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:26.519 eternal destiny that we have already uploaded, already since the end of last week, 137 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:31.799 but today is practically already climbing. Tomorrow, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, 138 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:37.279 you will already be on the platform available in Amazón, available as an 139 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:41.480 amazon for all of you. The economic price twelve euros so that it is 140 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:50.080 available to all. And it' s 180 pages, it' s fifty 141 00:14:50.159 --> 00:14:54.879 reflections in six sections of eight. Then there is an introduction that is an 142 00:14:54.000 --> 00:15:01.519 article and a very important final article, also that you will see and you 143 00:15:01.559 --> 00:15:05.320 know that I have a blog in digital Protestant that is also entitled the train 144 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:11.679 of life. Well, everyone converges on the blog, the radio show that 145 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:15.399 maybe associates my person with the train of life. Thirty- two years. 146 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:18.360 There' s na, it' s no small thing. And then this 147 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:22.279 book, which expresses many things from life, from Christian life, from faith, 148 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:28.360 from men, from women today, feelings, perceptions, interpretations, biblical 149 00:15:28.360 --> 00:15:39.360 and philosophical reflections, everyday questions and very soulful things that anyone can easily identify 150 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:48.440 with me. Therefore, I want to invite you to enjoy this reading of 151 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:52.720 my new book, traveling on the train of life, as well as of 152 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:56.759 the Radio Magaxin, the train of life, this same and that of my 153 00:15:56.799 --> 00:16:00.720 weekly blog, which is also called the train of life. He is always 154 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:06.200 grateful to God for giving me this privilege of being able to enjoy on this 155 00:16:06.279 --> 00:16:12.559 journey at train pace with such good friends and companions of such a hopeful journey 156 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:18.960 to an eternal destination, for look for any information beyond the Amazon platform and 157 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:23.960 acquire it and thank him infinitely traveling on the train of life and enjoy it. 158 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:30.759 I hope you enjoy it, because if you want to write me for 159 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:34.679 anything my email is Julio Pérez Arroba, the train of life. It' 160 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:38.039 s Julio Pérez Arroba, the train of life. Point is or can also 161 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:47.000 write to the radio ministry waxad here in Onda Paz. Six hundred fifty- 162 00:16:47.279 --> 00:16:52.320 seven, nine hundred ninety- nine, two hundred thirty, six, five, 163 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:56.480 seven, nine, nine, two three? Six hundred and fifty- 164 00:16:56.000 --> 00:17:00.919 seven, nine hundred and ninety- nine, two hundred and thirty It is 165 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:06.559 the WAXAT that we also have for any audio comment what seems opportune and nothing 166 00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:10.000 more and nothing less. Otherwise, I wish you a good trip. Friends, 167 00:17:10.279 --> 00:17:59.680 let' s go there today the train of life life life or, 168 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:03.240 ladies and gentlemen, for this morning we will be well accompanied. First of 169 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:10.400 all, we' ll be happy to talk to Daniel ozkand director of Protestant 170 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:15.160 Digital and also, real journalist of the other race, and it' s 171 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:18.680 a pleasure to talk about with another look of today. Some things are the 172 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:23.599 ones that everyone counts, but perhaps very sui generis observations. In some cases 173 00:18:23.759 --> 00:18:27.599 also talk about ours, what happens in the Protestant world, which ignores a 174 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:33.039 lot, if they are things, some of them important to a large extent, 175 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:37.480 because there will be the other look of the day with Daniel Ozcahan, 176 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:47.279 director of Protestant Digital and in our second station we will be addressing Here will 177 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:52.119 be our study. Gonzalo Soriano, who is the coordinator and promoter of all 178 00:18:52.160 --> 00:18:56.279 missionary programs and productions of biblical society. He' s a tireless man. 179 00:18:56.680 --> 00:19:00.440 He' s a tireless man. We all know him and we love Gonzalo, 180 00:19:00.759 --> 00:19:04.559 but he' s a real ambassador and you' ll see the interview. 181 00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:07.480 Now he' s traveling, he' s in the other part of 182 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:11.480 the world. He had to travel, but we recorded the interview and I 183 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:15.599 tell you one thing. It is very interesting this interview about everything that the 184 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:22.319 world lives, from biblical society, its missionary projects and then how its publications 185 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:26.839 work and the proposals it grants and offered by the Biblical Society of Spain, 186 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:32.079 which are unknown, but are very interesting for the evangelical people. And for 187 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:36.000 everyone who wants to adopt it as their own. Of course, it has 188 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:40.000 opened up to everyone and will be with us here on the train of life 189 00:19:40.279 --> 00:19:47.839 Gonzalo Soriano. Don' t miss it. And finally we have Dr Roca 190 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:52.920 talking about what cse Lewis was saying, the pain problem. What we do 191 00:19:52.039 --> 00:19:57.079 with pain, how we get out when the pain is persistent, it' 192 00:19:57.079 --> 00:20:02.920 s chronic, when there are pain clinics today, but when that' s 193 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:07.480 not enough, how we deal with it, how it lives, the one 194 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:08.440 who suffers it, and how the family lives it. Well, then, 195 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:12.119 the mad doctor knows with such a pastoral heart that he is also a pastor 196 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:18.440 and theologian, he is also but he is a great medical professional. It 197 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:22.000 always brings us up to date with everything and with so much, to the 198 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:25.240 point, because there we will be in the htel of life. Good music, 199 00:20:25.279 --> 00:20:26.559 very good company. Don' t miss it. Here we go. 200 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:33.400 You can send your message through our Facebook. Through our Facebook, entering in 201 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:38.279 three months double point the train of life, point is the train of life. 202 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:44.920 Point is remember that in this way you collaborate with us. Tell us 203 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:48.880 your impressions, ask us and participate actively. We want to meet you. 204 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:56.400 We want to meet you as we enter our website, three your double month 205 00:20:56.400 --> 00:20:59.960 point, the train of life. Together it is and follow us through Facebook 206 00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:36.920 or mirable, God majesty, your so equalable you are powerful, inscritable, 207 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:48.039 kind amaze me your love for me I come to worship you? You? 208 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:55.200 I come to adore you? You? I come to adore you? To 209 00:21:55.319 --> 00:22:11.319 you revenge my astonishment so my aga so, sir you are, dye of 210 00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:26.880 every dorasion qua so, you do not want comparison of two. Gloria, 211 00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:47.920 we give glory to you you are my protector, my refuge, my father 212 00:22:48.440 --> 00:23:02.000 aba, your voice, is my shield, your presences home my treasures shadow 213 00:23:02.799 --> 00:23:10.440 your love for me. I come to adore you, do I come to 214 00:23:10.559 --> 00:23:26.960 adore you? I come to worship you? Lord to you amazements so mine, 215 00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:38.960 Oh, Lord you are, saying of all the beautiful doration, you 216 00:23:40.359 --> 00:24:00.960 have no comparison. We dare you, we give gora, for they hear 217 00:24:02.799 --> 00:24:15.400 the sound of your people. We raised your doration. Asparating my future in 218 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:22.160 your hands. I' m sure he' s about the early Sara. 219 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:26.160 The Traffic and Road Safety Act has changed. We changed the rules because the 220 00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:30.880 way we moved has also changed. Therefore, now the deadline to recover the 221 00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:33.640 initial point jump is two years, without committing violations that involve the loss of 222 00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:38.880 points, new times, new rules, General Traffic Directorate, Ministry of the 223 00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:45.440 Interior, Government of Spain. If you want to visit our website, the 224 00:24:45.440 --> 00:25:22.920 wwwww, the train of life, of life, ladies and gentlemen, we 225 00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:29.799 are already in the other look of today. It is good to see things 226 00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:37.559 under our critical eye of social chronicle and some political note of general interest. 227 00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:45.200 We don' t get into the pragmatism of politics, because we' re 228 00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:51.400 not on the subject either, so we' re in the public square and 229 00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:55.279 obviously, we' re all interested in knowing what' s going on when 230 00:25:55.400 --> 00:26:00.440 you hear everything that' s going on here near in Europe, in the 231 00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:06.839 other part of the world, in the Middle East, especially that it' 232 00:26:06.920 --> 00:26:10.079 s the hottest place on the planet lately. As for the war tension, 233 00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:15.519 it refers, because the truth that and then goes to don Putín there also 234 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:19.079 making of his own, the Korean is not known where it will go and 235 00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:25.839 the Korean from the North. And then, in the meantime, the Chinese, 236 00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:30.720 warning carefully, step on the brake that I' m interested in maintaining 237 00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:34.720 economic control of the planet and I don' t want a nuclear winter. 238 00:26:36.279 --> 00:26:40.960 And if any of you go off the brakes, I will punish you myself. 239 00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:45.759 That' s what China says from behind in good subliminal language. So 240 00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:51.799 they see that all these flows and refluxes of politics are very complex. But 241 00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:57.400 for this we have Daniel odcarn the director of Protestant Digital, also a man 242 00:26:57.440 --> 00:27:02.400 who is very up- to- date, pro journalist and we have him 243 00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:06.759 there to welcome him. Good morning, Daniel Hi, how are you, 244 00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:11.400 how are you, Julio? Nice to see you and listen to you, 245 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:15.720 Daniel. The truth is it' s true, because we could say good 246 00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:22.200 is the quietest thing. Well, at least these days. These do not 247 00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:27.000 come a week, but less than a week ago we were seeing or Iran 248 00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:33.519 ' s attack on Israeli territory. That' s why everything was somehow torn 249 00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:38.440 down by the iron dome Israel has. Well, with the help of the 250 00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:44.440 European allies and the United States, it was a demonstration, an expression of 251 00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:49.119 being careful, careful that you' re getting into a very dangerous terrain Iran. 252 00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:55.039 I mean, what happens is that on this clear board, Israel attacked 253 00:27:55.079 --> 00:28:00.680 Jena Lebanon, because all these who were made and all these people who are, 254 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:07.680 after all, are a litter of terrorists. But there were some of 255 00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:11.759 the Iranian generals too and they killed some of them. And this was the 256 00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:18.599 retaliation. Then how do you foreignize this very complex horizon. And in the 257 00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:23.160 Middle East and always the Middle East is the hottest place. Why. Yeah, 258 00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:30.519 yeah, well, it' s still a tremendously hot place, as 259 00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:33.119 you were saying. It is now clear that everything that has happened in the 260 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:37.039 last year and from what was the attack of 7 October spends ever since there 261 00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:48.880 in Israel, for it has made the situation much more tense. But of 262 00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:52.599 course, the underlying conflict must never be forgotten. There is a fundamental conflict 263 00:28:52.720 --> 00:29:00.519 involving the very existence of Israel in that territory that there are indeed many countries, 264 00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:06.480 many Arab countries around it that do not tolerate it and among them, 265 00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:11.359 therefore, the one that has been the most belligerent has historically been Iran. 266 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:18.839 And, obviously, Iran has been funding and supporting both never and gisbolá groups 267 00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:30.559 that obviously have such connections, have funding not only from Iran, in fact, 268 00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:36.519 in the case of Never, because it is more linked to other groups 269 00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:45.839 also Islamic. But there is a terrorist group, as it can be Islamic 270 00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:51.799 resistance there in Gaza, which is more linked to Iran And what we really 271 00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:59.960 see is that the consequences of the war are sometimes totally unpredictable, that is, 272 00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:04.000 it is very difficult when you start and when you attack and when you 273 00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:12.160 counterattack, know who will stop and how it will stop. So it' 274 00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:17.279 s a tense situation. It is clear that I believe that on a general 275 00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:26.200 level, the condemnation that has been quite widespread of the attack by Iran I 276 00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:33.720 think comes a little with the idea that Israel does not overreact, that is, 277 00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:41.119 it is like support for Israel in this regard, even though lately many 278 00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:47.519 of those supports are weaker or not so notorious, because they generally do not 279 00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:52.279 agree with how it is operating in Gapa. But in this case there has 280 00:30:52.079 --> 00:31:00.119 been general support for Israel' s defence in some Western countries. Now let 281 00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:03.400 ' s see what happens, because you really don' t want it. 282 00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:08.200 Or it gives me the impression that most international actors would not want to be 283 00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:15.799 fanned even more because this already internationalized conflict, which would make good more actors 284 00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:22.640 enter, because the more countries are involved, the more damage, the more 285 00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:27.079 collateral damage can be done, the more victims and the more you can totally 286 00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:33.920 escape control when there really are powers with so much force. We are talking 287 00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:37.079 about Iran, which really is, which is a country that has an important 288 00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:41.200 military power. Obviously, Israel also has it, there is no doubt about 289 00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:45.559 that, and its allies, both on the one hand and on the other, 290 00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:49.960 for it is clear that they could carry. Some are talking about how 291 00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:56.119 there might be the beginning of a Third World War, but I think that 292 00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:04.880 for it to happen there would have to be some position of some of the 293 00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:09.000 great actors betting hard on it. And I don' t think the U 294 00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:13.359 S wants, and I don' t think either in Russia right now they 295 00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:14.480 ' d want to be, because the actors that might come into conflict. 296 00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:16.839 You were talking about China too that he' s not interested either. So 297 00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:22.160 I think that can still stop you from getting into a situation, let' 298 00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:29.680 s say it would be terrible and very difficult to go backwards. Of course, 299 00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:36.000 there has never been as much talk as in recent times, since the 300 00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:40.880 attack on Russia' s invasion of criminal Ukraine, of invading territory outside its 301 00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:46.920 own. Moreover, by military force of arms, it has never been made 302 00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:52.559 clear. The other has obviously been seriously involved. It' s more from 303 00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:57.480 Europe. It rearms and Europe already has its military budgets, which it did 304 00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:01.000 not have until now. Well, all kinds of more sophisticated weapons, nuclear 305 00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:06.640 missile bases that already exist, but it' s going to expand, I 306 00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:08.720 mean, it' s going to create a European fort. And there has 307 00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:15.119 never been so much talk from this point of view and from the crises in 308 00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:19.160 the Middle East, Israel, Gaza, ever, Iran and all the others. 309 00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:23.480 Let' s say people who are in conflict. There has never been 310 00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:28.559 so much talk about World War III. The word for World War III is 311 00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:31.519 being mentioned a lot, and it is true, on the other hand, 312 00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:37.200 that speaking of wars, because of Gaza. We all want it to be 313 00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:38.720 over, because it' s massacred against the population. Sure, look at 314 00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:45.039 that. Israel has ended 19 battalions of the twenty- three battalions, battalions 315 00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:51.759 that it never has inside and that uses the civilian population as a human shield, 316 00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:53.799 of course, and people can' t say anything, because if they 317 00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:59.319 don' t go after them, the terrorists themselves, they never have to 318 00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:02.000 shut up and to and from everything. But in the meantime they' re 319 00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:07.840 dying like human shields. Nineteen battalions have destroyed Israel, and there are only 320 00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:10.480 four remaining to destroy all of them. Yes, you mean, but, 321 00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:15.719 for example, it is that in this respect, of course, we have 322 00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:20.880 been talking about the victims in Gaza, because it is really tremendous. And 323 00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:23.239 it' s tremendous, it' s a crisis and disproportion. Disproportion in 324 00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:30.119 a sense of Israel' s action. But throughout this time, missiles have 325 00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:34.440 not stopped coming out of Gaza into Israel. It' s just that there 326 00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:37.280 ' s been practically no week in which there' s been no missile attack. 327 00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:39.920 From what happens is that, of course, missiles are intercepted and then, 328 00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:45.519 from here we have the vision that it is an absolutely unequal war, 329 00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:50.039 because, certainly it is but of course they are not people who are with 330 00:34:50.800 --> 00:35:00.400 sticks and stones defending themselves or attacking you is that really, in addition to 331 00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:05.599 the capability they have with weapons, they have missiles. And it must also 332 00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:10.280 be remembered that they still have a hundred people kidnapped or more sweetened kidnapped there 333 00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:15.400 who do not want to release them. That is, that, within the 334 00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:21.280 complexity that all this has and without agreeing at all with the strategy that has 335 00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:24.719 followed Jafu metal, that I believe is a really negative profile and a person 336 00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:29.800 who should no longer be in the position where he totally agrees, because of 337 00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:35.599 course, the situation is more complex than simply saying, because it cannot be. 338 00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:42.559 Israel has to stop, and that' s it. These are the 339 00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:47.639 complexities that this circumstance has, this situation and that are not easy to resolve. 340 00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:52.960 It is very clear, because there is no one right now who says 341 00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:55.719 good, because the solution has to be this, or this is the solution. 342 00:35:55.840 --> 00:36:01.760 For example, we have now seen the President of Spain, Pedro Sánchez, 343 00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:07.239 doing an international tour, for let' s say trying to talk about 344 00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:13.719 the solution as the creation of a good Palestinian State, It' s not 345 00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:17.480 a bad idea to recognize the Palestinian State, but they really don' t 346 00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:23.199 solve, that is, they don' t solve the underlying situation, that 347 00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:27.039 there are terrorist groups that don' t want Israel to be there and that 348 00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:31.079 they don' t want. Two States want to raze Israel and have it 349 00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:35.320 as a principle, let' s say foundational. So, until that doesn 350 00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:38.559 ' t change, it' s going to be very difficult for you really 351 00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:44.039 to get to a stable peace situation, you can just sometimes lower the conflict 352 00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:45.119 or go up more. And now it is clear that we are in quite 353 00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:52.920 high degrees of intensity and danger. I believe that the President, our President, 354 00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:57.159 is making an erratic policy on this. It does not mean that the 355 00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:00.920 subject is what you say, the subject of the two- State proposal. 356 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:07.760 It would be when the others want to eradicate, let us say destroy Israel 357 00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:09.239 from the map, then what they do. We totally disagree with this carnage 358 00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:19.920 that Netanyahu is causing against the civilian population, regardless of military operations. This, 359 00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:24.760 this is intolerable and there is a protest to which we join against this 360 00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:31.079 inhuman act of the loss of so many lives in Engaza. This is intolerable, 361 00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:36.079 this is inhuman and there is nothing to justify it, let alone. 362 00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:43.840 But of course, Israel, at the same time comes our President speaking of 363 00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:45.800 the sun, the moon and the stars. If you want to be a 364 00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:52.599 mediator in the conflict, which could be, because you may propose a table 365 00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:57.840 of dialogue, of eating But now talking about the two states is totally four 366 00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:00.960 and the cat has said yes. The rest of Europe says no, that 367 00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:05.679 things are going the other way. Yes, yes, they pretend that it 368 00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:09.079 could come to that, but this is not the time for that. It 369 00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:14.800 means that, but there is also an allergy to Israel on the part of 370 00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:19.239 this very large government. Yes, yes, yes, well, it is 371 00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:22.480 clear that I believe that within the government, for example, even the position 372 00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:30.519 of Pedro Sánchez, who could be branded, because as equidistant, perhaps compared 373 00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:35.559 to that of other European leaders. It must be realized that within the Government 374 00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:42.000 of Spain there have been ministers who from the very beginning were already talking about 375 00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:46.119 Gaza as a victim, even when they had just launched the attack. That 376 00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:52.920 is to say, there are elements there of support for Palestine, not so 377 00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:59.719 much for Palestine, but of support for Gaza ever, even if I don 378 00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:04.119 ' t know what I mean, but there have been links, there have 379 00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:07.320 even been visits by people from never to Spain. It is in the history 380 00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:13.800 of news that have been received and have collaborated with people from the radical left 381 00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:19.440 here in Spain. So those links are undeniable and I really believe that it 382 00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:27.079 is a rather strong respite in terms of government management in this matter. However, 383 00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:30.559 I believe that Pedro Sánchez' s position is not too far from what 384 00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:37.800 would be the position of any other government. I mean, I think that 385 00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:45.239 Spain' s position has traditionally been this and well, we should go a 386 00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:50.679 little deeper into why it is not a position. Let us say as far 387 00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:52.679 in favour of Israel as it can be in France, for example, that 388 00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:58.519 we are going to your government very clearly in favour of, or Germany, 389 00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:00.920 well, historical motives or the United Kingdom. That is to say, there 390 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:05.880 are countries where we say that support for Israel is much more notorious and here, 391 00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:09.679 in Spain, it is different and I think it has to do with 392 00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:17.239 historical reasons, but also, of course, with economic reasons that go not 393 00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:22.599 only have to do with a situation of now, but of years, and 394 00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:24.840 not so much with regard to Palestine, but also with regard to the Arab 395 00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:30.599 countries. That is to say, we have to see the amount of investments 396 00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:35.440 and influence that there is from the Arab world in Spain, that sometimes we 397 00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:38.719 are not aware until they pass as news like today, that suddenly we learn 398 00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:45.079 that there is an Arab firm that wants to buy a great Spanish company and 399 00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:49.599 suddenly you realize that it is not that they want to buy that solo, 400 00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:52.000 but that already they have. They already have three, four or five of 401 00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:58.480 the most important companies in Spain. So yes, yes, yes, it 402 00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:04.679 really makes you think natally yes because they want to open an opa of a 403 00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:08.119 billion euros. Be it and it means and the Government is studying well in 404 00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:13.320 this regard. The government does, which works a little bit, has at 405 00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:20.320 least a forecast to intervene to some extent for those who do not happen that 406 00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:27.000 control all the gas energy of Spain, of production of Spain notice, that 407 00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:31.440 already control CEPSA, already control, that is, the oil, the oil 408 00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:37.480 already belongs to them. I don' t know how many people know it 409 00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:40.199 at best because, of course, starting a little bit in the eighties and 410 00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:45.480 buying a different shareholding and which one and in the end they ended up getting 411 00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:52.280 all the control and gas, also the distributor. Now it would be a 412 00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:57.159 Turgi that is the one they lack, but really the good ability. We 413 00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:00.880 have also seen the attempt by the Government to bring in Arab telephone helpers, 414 00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:07.719 also with public investment. But of course I don' t know. I 415 00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:13.639 think that all of this really is also part of that board where sometimes we 416 00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:17.599 only see a part or we just don' t understand very well, and 417 00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:22.679 I think that the economic part plays a fundamental role in the way in which 418 00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:29.880 governments end up behaving, especially when it comes to this turnover. We are 419 00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:37.519 talking about billions and companies that really good, are companies on which we depend 420 00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:43.119 absolutely all and depend not only the citizens, but all the industry and all 421 00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:47.840 the ability that Spain can have to go forward in the coming years. Then 422 00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:53.880 these are issues that should not escape us and we should at least know them. 423 00:42:55.360 --> 00:43:01.159 If the colonization now in Europe is very powerful and in the two thousand 424 00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:07.880 and fifty, both by the population existing in Europe, which is very large, 425 00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:15.800 very large, will be the largest proportionally in Europe, but also by 426 00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:24.880 the economic colonization of these great economic trus, it means that, of course, 427 00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:30.800 they are and as if they were others, then I want to say 428 00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:36.840 that, of course, this is a remote control that commands in the countries 429 00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:38.760 above the governments. In the end not then well, I don' t 430 00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:42.840 know. We have to have a vision for the future. Let us imagine 431 00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:46.880 that we would like to colonize the Arab countries, which we cannot, with 432 00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:53.239 our influence. We can' t even good, Dubaia is a total economic 433 00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:58.960 empire, but the Arab emirates. But the reality is this is a chess 434 00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:02.559 board. In short, I do not know what the next governments are like, 435 00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:07.559 because this government and it is happening to almost everyone to a greater or 436 00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:14.199 lesser extent. But this one in a brutal way, as the public debt 437 00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:16.960 goes up a lot, of course, throws the house out the window, 438 00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:22.079 gives away everything and it doesn' t matter to those who come behind that 439 00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:29.559 manage and clear, in fact and we are indebted and those who buy the 440 00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:34.320 public debt China, the Arab countries and so many others, and then we 441 00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:37.199 are colonized again by them. It means that our independence as a country is 442 00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:40.840 narrowing down a lot. True, yes, yes, yes, of course, 443 00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:45.480 and it is very difficult to recover. From what you said, there 444 00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:52.639 are, on the one hand, no economic commitments that are already firm through 445 00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:59.719 companies or through concessions that they too have. Even many of the industrial investments 446 00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:02.559 that are being made in Spain are no longer of their own investment, they 447 00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:07.480 are foreign countries that come and set up a company here. Now, for 448 00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:10.599 example, there was a plan for a big Chinese company that was going to 449 00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:15.920 set up something in Cáceres. Sure, it' s really a good thing 450 00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:21.679 for the country, because it brings you industry for Spain, but of course 451 00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:24.199 it' s China industry. It' s China offshoring, so to speak. 452 00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:27.280 No. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so, 453 00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:30.199 yeah, yeah, it' s active flame, but this is really the 454 00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:36.320 situation. So, right now, let' s say that the ability that 455 00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:40.880 Spain, in a sense, can have to maneuver in many international affairs, 456 00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:47.320 I think it is very limited and well, is a role that perhaps there 457 00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:54.119 is no other left to assume it, because it also cuts ties and tries 458 00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:59.039 to isolate you and live isolated from the world, trying to make the battle 459 00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:00.519 on your own, because it is not a solution either. Not perhaps a 460 00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:05.960 balance, a balance in which you obviously have some control, some ability, 461 00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:10.039 and the balance that is not dependent on one, but having several yes, 462 00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:17.280 because that way, at least you can try to maneuver a little better in 463 00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:25.719 case there is some kind of crisis. But, really, on a general 464 00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:34.800 level we have to accept the situation we are in. But it is interesting 465 00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:38.119 to think a little bit about the future and a little about seeking stability for 466 00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:45.599 that future in which it may be important to regain some independence at the financial 467 00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:51.840 level, at the economic level of our economies. The important thing is not 468 00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:59.320 to lose autonomy in terms of ours and it is not hostility towards cultures to 469 00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:05.599 determine is not that other thing, well, and in domestic code, because 470 00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:10.199 you see we are on the eve of two contests. We already see that 471 00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:15.480 word of electoral contest, which are very strong, because in the Basque Country, 472 00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:21.320 which was next Sunday, there is an electoral consultation. Bill du Va 473 00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:24.800 ahead and Bill du represents. What it represents is not that Bill looking clear, 474 00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:30.159 will Dus is a conglomerate of games. Not all Bildus matches are exetarras. 475 00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:36.519 No, but there is an important part that yes that by the way, 476 00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:40.360 well, it is also appreciated that and I think it was of Oxandian 477 00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:45.039 rigor has asked forgiveness from the victims. But of course I don' t 478 00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:49.239 call terrorist the terrorist gang ETA is that these people, they go from that 479 00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:52.519 stick and then you can' t ask the elm for pears. But the 480 00:47:52.599 --> 00:48:00.800 truth is that the PNV seems to recede equally will not be able to govern 481 00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:07.920 billu either. But this situation creates a new scenario in the Basque Country that 482 00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:13.440 we will see where truth can lead us. Yes, yes, it' 483 00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:16.880 s clear, because I don' t know when it was the last time 484 00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:22.599 that there was a government that could be leftist in a Basque country, but 485 00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:28.559 it could be possible, although the majority still point out that, even if 486 00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:32.719 the elections were won, BILDU would need to agree and perhaps not enough, 487 00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:37.679 then it points to that pact pnvpso as a possible government pact. Anyway, 488 00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:40.440 let' s see what happens, because it' s not clear at all. 489 00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:52.000 I think the campaign has been pretty good at speaking level and all that 490 00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:58.800 much calmer than you' ve been, being other campaigns lately good. It 491 00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:01.679 seemed to the Galician one in the sense that so there were not great outbursts 492 00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:07.960 or great stories, except that issue of ETA, which in the end ended 493 00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:14.480 up entering the campaign here at the last minute because of the declarations of the 494 00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:22.239 candidate of Bildu, but it seems that all the concerns have been very focused 495 00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:30.280 the situation of Euskadimos the policies there and in that sense, perhaps it is 496 00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:35.599 an election that at the regional level can be of great importance, but at 497 00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:43.400 the national level perhaps not so much or at least does not end up unraveling 498 00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:44.679 too much of what the situation is at the national level. The thing is, 499 00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:46.920 well, they' re, as you say, two concatenated lessons. 500 00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:50.199 There' s this one, there' s the one from Catalonia. Two 501 00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:53.880 regions, of course, are very important at the level in Spain. What 502 00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:59.159 happens there, of course, that has just lieutenant or influence at national level 503 00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:07.239 and we have to be aware of what happens. Let' s see anyway. 504 00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:12.480 Well, I think it' s nice to see that there are also 505 00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:15.360 other ways to do politics at regional level that at the moment seem to me 506 00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:21.800 to be much healthier than what we see many times at national level and sometimes 507 00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:23.639 even in Madrid, which we are also seeing too much gresca. And I 508 00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:30.719 think it' s really in that sense, because it' s positive now 509 00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:38.440 what you said about Bill du I think they still have work ahead at Bildu 510 00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:45.960 level of their own in terms of that recognition of ETA terrorism, because it 511 00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:51.599 ' s still very mild, it always comes with the tailtail behind, whenever 512 00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:58.159 they recognize something is to say it good, but because or this kind of 513 00:50:58.199 --> 00:51:00.280 justification, I don' t think even Bill du Le ends up helping. 514 00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:06.599 On the contrary, I believe that they end up hurting a party that is 515 00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:09.159 good at the level of the Basque Country, because it is already very established, 516 00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:14.559 but at the national level, because it still generates many reticences and, 517 00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:16.519 of course, of the Basque Country cannot live on its back to what happens 518 00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:21.519 in the rest of the country. Then I think it would be important for 519 00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:25.800 them also to definitely leave behind everything that has to do with ETA. But 520 00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:31.639 of course, as long as within their ranks there are still certain people who 521 00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:35.199 were always linked to ETA, that is not going to be possible. Of 522 00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:39.440 course, this killing of almost zero people from this murderous mob who have sown 523 00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:49.239 in this is a very difficult thing to prosecute. The mourning is still continuing 524 00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:55.519 and society is still being generous to the Spanish democratic society with these sectors. 525 00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:05.559 That is why there is this great distrust and whether those susceptibilities, obviously because 526 00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:08.119 of all this. But, for example, we have the Basque Country a 527 00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:14.280 scenario. They are the Country Boats and Catalonia, the two centers of independence 528 00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:20.679 vocation. He is an excessist separatist who has Spain and always because it happens 529 00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:28.760 there is that and we have a scenario a government that also blesses his soul 530 00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:35.639 to the devil for staying in power, as Sanchez is doing in Catalonia. 531 00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:42.960 We now have the, of course, independence does not seem to have an 532 00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:46.920 absolute majority here in Catalonia. It can almost be a party fisti and a 533 00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:52.840 little bit clearer with all the constitutionalist forces that the Catalan Socialist Party is obviously. 534 00:52:54.880 --> 00:53:00.000 There are the common, the common and there is also the Popular Party, 535 00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:07.000 which is not also reluctant to give support to the socialist candidate Salvadoría. 536 00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:14.719 But of course, if any, they interpret, they interpret that it would 537 00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:22.960 be a lesser evil so that there is not the sainete, this permanent referendum 538 00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:24.760 referendum, that that is impossible. It is also that, as has been 539 00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:30.639 achieved, what is different and we will see that Amnesty is probably lying down 540 00:53:31.159 --> 00:53:37.599 in a short time, but that still has others among children. But it 541 00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:43.239 is two thirds of the House. It' s impossible. There is no 542 00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:50.079 self- determination in any constitution of the world, there is no understanding, 543 00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:52.760 and it is not impossible here either. You cannot say Socialist Party to make 544 00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:58.519 any compositions, because it is not possible here there are no tricks of texts 545 00:53:58.559 --> 00:54:02.119 to which you are accustomed. Therefore, we will also see how this Catalan 546 00:54:02.199 --> 00:54:08.760 scenario is. Yeah, man, there too. Of course, I don 547 00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:15.760 ' t have so much to say beyond joining your comment, I, as 548 00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:23.360 we say, am seeing, that there is as it was talked about quite 549 00:54:23.480 --> 00:54:30.360 a repetition. As it returns, everything returns as it will return, but 550 00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:34.079 we want to go back to that, that is, it returns, puigemon 551 00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:40.519 returns the subject referendum, it returns to say those balances between independent constitutionalists, 552 00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:45.320 that is, it is really what it wants in society and what it does 553 00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:47.559 not want at all. I don' t think you want to go to 554 00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:52.559 that at all. So I think it' s a proposal that probably that 555 00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:58.320 proposal towards the past seems to me not going to work. I mean, 556 00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:02.079 we don' t seem to be in a circumstance where that can win votes. 557 00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:06.239 So that' s a little what' s getting hold of too, 558 00:55:06.519 --> 00:55:09.719 of course, the PSOE, which is convinced to get a very good result 559 00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:14.920 and even that it could get to rule. So let' s see what 560 00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:20.039 happens now if in the end what I say, because this is my opinion, 561 00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:22.719 but if in the end it ends up being, because Montt is going 562 00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:30.679 to mark politics again from Catalonia, in the government or without being in the 563 00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:36.639 government, because the truth that we will see again on the day of the 564 00:55:36.639 --> 00:55:40.440 marmot, of course we will see ourselves again to a repetition and to return 565 00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:45.960 to court and to return to that politics does not advance. And I believe 566 00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:52.679 that all that to the detriment of the real interests of Catalonia, that it 567 00:55:53.039 --> 00:56:00.800 really would need to move on to some place and also be able to form 568 00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:04.840 some kind of government a little more stable that would allow it to develop. 569 00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:07.639 Yeah, plus, that' s not gonna happen at all. I know, 570 00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:13.679 I see the intricacies and I observe and also, journalistically everything and that 571 00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:17.199 is not going to happen again first, because it would be the response of 572 00:56:17.320 --> 00:56:22.840 the State would be much more aggressive in a very decisive way and much would 573 00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:28.000 be cited to Spanish society in a brutal way and prison would already be ineternal. 574 00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:30.800 I mean, it means they won' t do that again at that 575 00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:36.440 level. Now the pressure. Of course, a PUC has been created instead 576 00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:42.960 of a pandemonium, a PUC demonium. Yes, the Pandemonium of the Demonium 577 00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:46.639 puch has been created, because and care and he is using their faces and 578 00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:51.440 besides, he tells the truth, says what he thinks and says what he 579 00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:55.239 wants. He' s the one who' s the least fool of everyone 580 00:56:55.360 --> 00:56:58.639 and so and so and he gets it. Now he' s coming as 581 00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:01.880 a messianic. If I choose, I' ll come back, if I 582 00:57:01.880 --> 00:57:07.440 don' t disappear. So the osian syndrome. It' s not that 583 00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:12.480 all this, this is a zaidet, it' s the never- ending 584 00:57:12.519 --> 00:57:15.119 story, but we' ll see what happens. There we have both the 585 00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:22.280 elections in the Basque Country and Catalonia, and there they are and look right 586 00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:25.360 now at the autonomous communities. With regard to the evangelicals, the Protestants, 587 00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:32.880 neither one government nor another have had more, let us say complacency with some 588 00:57:34.119 --> 00:57:38.320 issues here in Catalonia. It is true, with the Protestant world, but 589 00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:45.079 good, because small things are small. Now when we had the possibility of 590 00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:50.440 having another regulation of enabling titles, not contestants, but grants for the stations 591 00:57:50.519 --> 00:57:55.920 that we are already. And one of the denials was that we did not 592 00:57:57.199 --> 00:58:00.119 meet, well to us and to most of the colleagues of secular stations, 593 00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:07.119 who have a lot of tradition and a lot of experience, is that we 594 00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:07.039 did not meet the conditions of third sector. And I say, after faces, 595 00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:14.840 we are the ten zero times those who gather the most conditions of our 596 00:58:14.920 --> 00:58:20.239 social and humanitarian aid platforms, ten thousand times more. And then, so 597 00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:23.360 it' s a lie and in the end I' ve told the leaders 598 00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:28.920 representatives of the current parties. I have to tell you in Catalan speaking obviously, 599 00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:32.039 I have to tell you that a lot to speak bla, bla, 600 00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:37.039 bla, bla, and at the time of truth nothing at all about that 601 00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:43.639 victimism that you say we have, that we have ten Catholic stations that are 602 00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:50.599 very professional and it is okay and we respect it commercial radio and not even 603 00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:52.559 a Protestant radio station, that we do not talk only about cultic issues, 604 00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:58.480 that we talk about life, that we talk about good practices, that we 605 00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:00.519 talk about solidarity, that we talk about social mediation, that we talk about 606 00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:04.679 faith and earthly realities. I mean, in the end, nothing. You 607 00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:08.599 ' re welcome, and that happens in other communities as well. Of course, 608 00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:15.719 yes, let us still say that there is still, for those historical 609 00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:17.719 discriminations against Protestants that are evident in this type of thing. You talk about 610 00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:22.360 licenses, as we can also talk, for example, about the subject of 611 00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:27.360 classes in schools and in the institutes of evangelical affliction, as in the validation 612 00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:31.039 of titles, as well, the historical claim of which we have been talking 613 00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:38.599 lately, of compensation to retired pastors who could not contribute during Francoism. Anyway, 614 00:59:38.800 --> 00:59:45.400 there are a lot of aspects that we say are that they concern Protestants 615 00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:52.920 directly to evangelicals and that we really don' t see too much interest. 616 00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:57.719 It is true that, for example, in recent years, the Basque Country 617 00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:00.519 has been a little more sensitive and, above all, in the last two 618 01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:06.280 years, we have been able to see progress in some aspects regarding protocols that 619 01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:13.519 could be signed between the Evangelical Council of the Basque Country and the Government of 620 01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:16.400 the Basque Country, cooperation agreements that have not been developed too much so far 621 01:00:16.639 --> 01:00:24.599 and have been given some impetus, perhaps without the development of all the positive 622 01:00:24.679 --> 01:00:28.480 things that could be achieved. But there have been some interesting movements and in 623 01:00:28.519 --> 01:00:32.599 this case, because on the part of the current government in the Basque Country, 624 01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:39.519 the PNV. But there really is a lot left and I am also 625 01:00:39.519 --> 01:00:44.719 concerned about something that is there and that often goes unnoticed at the regional level, 626 01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:46.159 because perhaps it is not the regional administration that has it. Something has 627 01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:50.039 to be said, but it is the subject of places of worship, which 628 01:00:50.119 --> 01:00:54.280 is a subject that continues to generate problems, and not only in Catalonia, 629 01:00:54.599 --> 01:01:00.639 where there are many difficulties, but also in the Basque Country. In recent 630 01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:06.239 years there has also been news of the difficulties in opening places of worship in 631 01:01:06.320 --> 01:01:10.000 some cities, which has more to do with the local administration, with the 632 01:01:10.119 --> 01:01:16.320 municipalities. But obviously, all the administrations there could do their part to solve 633 01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:22.519 and to help in these circumstances. And it is also one of these demands 634 01:01:23.119 --> 01:01:30.239 that is worth remembering and that every certain time, because we present as those 635 01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:34.920 things that the evangelicals really need to be able to develop And especially, when 636 01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:39.280 you see that, obviously, the Catholic Church in these aspects has no difficulty 637 01:01:39.400 --> 01:01:45.719 ever, then I wish that we could advance in that sense, in greater 638 01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:51.920 equality and sensitivity to the needs of a collective like the Protestant, who is 639 01:01:51.920 --> 01:01:55.000 always there. It is a minority collective, but I believe that historically the 640 01:01:55.039 --> 01:02:00.440 authorities also recognize it as well as well as sometimes not publicly, but at 641 01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:06.599 the level of talking to them. And all this the positive evangelical presence in 642 01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:13.039 both communities. Yeah. That' s how he hears excellent interview that you 643 01:02:13.159 --> 01:02:19.719 do to Carolina Bueno in digital Protestant, the Executive Secretariat of Ferede, talking 644 01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:23.320 precisely about the pastors who couldn' t contribute all their retirement because it wasn 645 01:02:23.320 --> 01:02:27.079 ' t possible. And she says what she says. It is a question 646 01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:34.039 of not asking for alms, not of giving us a friend please, of 647 01:02:34.039 --> 01:02:39.360 doing justice, historical justice, when it is a good one Other governments have 648 01:02:39.400 --> 01:02:45.599 said yes we are going to try to find a solution to this Interregno that 649 01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:51.280 has been with him this issue, but no, no, no, and 650 01:02:51.400 --> 01:02:53.320 this government is supposed to be more left- wing because of the social question. 651 01:02:54.159 --> 01:02:57.519 Okay, but don' t get into the trap or the subject. 652 01:02:58.320 --> 01:03:01.880 And very interesting also by Guillén Correa, Secretary General of the Conso Bayel, 653 01:03:02.559 --> 01:03:08.199 very interesting on this same subject. It' s really a pending issue. 654 01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:15.599 It is pending and we hope that at least the Government will say something. 655 01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:21.960 Sometimes there is such a sepulchral silence on the part of the authorities that you 656 01:03:22.280 --> 01:03:27.119 no longer know what else you should do that in the end cerebe already is 657 01:03:27.159 --> 01:03:32.079 that in each meeting you repeat it in each meeting that you have also because 658 01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:37.079 we try to disseminate the topic at the media level within our possibilities. I 659 01:03:37.159 --> 01:03:44.199 would also like other radios and televisions and newspapers on a general level, because 660 01:03:44.320 --> 01:03:46.000 the great echo of this topic, in the end, is that it is 661 01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:51.760 a subject, as you said now, of memory and justice, and really 662 01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:57.559 are aspects that I believe most of the Spanish population, when they know the 663 01:03:57.639 --> 01:04:02.480 case, because that leads, understands and believes that it is necessary to make 664 01:04:02.599 --> 01:04:06.880 this reparation. We are talking about people who are already very old, many 665 01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:14.639 of them and who were unable to contribute because they were not allowed to do 666 01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:19.239 so by the State in other similar circumstances over the last few years, because 667 01:04:19.400 --> 01:04:25.519 they have solved the necessary aspects for those who could not contribute, because they 668 01:04:25.519 --> 01:04:30.719 could have that pension. So it' s something that I don' t 669 01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:38.400 think anyone is doubting that it' s fair and that' s good, 670 01:04:38.920 --> 01:04:40.480 because I wish we could see it that we could see that solution. I 671 01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:43.840 think it would be a very good thing. Ferede also, as you said, 672 01:04:44.199 --> 01:04:47.320 is asking for an act of redress, that is to say, that 673 01:04:47.440 --> 01:04:49.960 it is also publicly acknowledged that hearing was not done well. And I think 674 01:04:49.960 --> 01:04:57.559 that would also be important at the level of recognition of Protestants in our country, 675 01:04:59.199 --> 01:05:03.239 because because we are no longer talking about an intangible issue, we are 676 01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:12.039 talking about people who really need justice if you look at it. In addition 677 01:05:12.079 --> 01:05:16.360 to the judgment of the European Court of Human Rights in two thousand seventeen, 678 01:05:16.559 --> 01:05:23.199 the Supreme also confirmed that pastors should be adequately compensated. However, no solution 679 01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:28.000 has been seen since then, while pastors, like Pastor Apples, is that 680 01:05:28.079 --> 01:05:33.079 it is very emblematic of that case between many people are dying to be many 681 01:05:33.239 --> 01:05:39.239 very old and others who are, that is clear, even if in some 682 01:05:39.239 --> 01:05:46.119 way, pass on to their families, something to a Histridian repair. Yes, 683 01:05:46.239 --> 01:05:49.760 of course, two thousand twelve, the European Court of Human Rights two 684 01:05:49.920 --> 01:05:54.320 thousand twelve. We are talking, that is, that fourteen years or twelve 685 01:05:54.400 --> 01:05:59.559 years have passed, forgiveness, twelve years have passed and the Supreme Court then, 686 01:05:59.679 --> 01:06:03.559 when Spain, because it reacts and tries to solve it and does not 687 01:06:03.639 --> 01:06:05.639 really solve it to the subject, the Supreme I believe it was in the 688 01:06:05.679 --> 01:06:12.599 two thousand fifteen or two thousand sixteen. Okay, then. How many more 689 01:06:12.639 --> 01:06:21.320 years we really have to wait it is sad to be and I understand even 690 01:06:21.400 --> 01:06:28.440 the frustration that evangelical representatives can feel with this subject, to represent it over 691 01:06:28.639 --> 01:06:33.360 and over and over again for almost twenty years, said Carolina, well, 692 01:06:33.679 --> 01:06:39.679 twenty years now presenting this subject over and over again at every meeting they have 693 01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:43.960 with the different governments and without reaching a solution. I don' t really 694 01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:45.960 get it, I can' t understand it well. There is no political 695 01:06:46.199 --> 01:06:50.760 will for what we have talked about before the concessions, the tenders, to 696 01:06:50.920 --> 01:06:55.880 which we were already contradictory, which they want us to go up to do 697 01:06:55.920 --> 01:07:00.239 the mike on a tree. There is no political will, simply and it 698 01:07:00.320 --> 01:07:08.079 is a comparative grievance with other religious social groups. It also means this and 699 01:07:08.199 --> 01:07:13.679 other issues. Therefore, here we claim the right, democratic equity for pastors 700 01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:20.880 who have to be compensated because they could not justify their retirement because it was 701 01:07:21.000 --> 01:07:28.079 impossible for them at all to be denied as active and passive. So here 702 01:07:28.079 --> 01:07:30.400 is a demand from this place, from the train of life, also from 703 01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:36.159 digital Protestant, from all the current or angrity, all the means contribute protest, 704 01:07:36.760 --> 01:07:43.960 We are all saying the same thing. Do us justice and repair this 705 01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:48.599 damage and compensate the pastors who have to receive that income that they are not 706 01:07:48.679 --> 01:07:54.440 receiving today. Well, this would be a question. And then, finally, 707 01:07:54.559 --> 01:08:00.559 say because we talk about human conflicts that are not few of those in 708 01:08:00.599 --> 01:08:08.199 our immediate environment, in domestic politics. You also haven' t talked about 709 01:08:08.320 --> 01:08:14.760 Koldo and the whole gang that has to somehow report to that commission to be 710 01:08:14.960 --> 01:08:19.840 questioned that, by the way, Coldon is nowhere to be found. He 711 01:08:19.960 --> 01:08:25.159 ' s gone, they tell him, and he has to show up on 712 01:08:25.159 --> 01:08:27.039 Monday, but they can' t find him. But to see if he 713 01:08:27.079 --> 01:08:30.800 ' s caught us up is in theory, he can' t leave the 714 01:08:30.840 --> 01:08:35.920 country because he has the passport confiscated, that is, the withdrawal to the 715 01:08:36.000 --> 01:08:41.399 passport every fortnight has to show up to sign the court, so he must 716 01:08:41.399 --> 01:08:43.439 be where he is now. I don' t know about that anymore. 717 01:08:43.600 --> 01:08:47.439 Now you' ve seen those who make fake identity charges, passports in a 718 01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:53.960 perfect way, with artificial intelligence, all this kind of stuff, and that 719 01:08:54.239 --> 01:08:59.760 you can' t identify the true of the false, the false of what 720 01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:03.039 there is, and well, let' s hope that it doesn' t 721 01:09:03.039 --> 01:09:09.319 come to that. But the truth is that, but evangelical Christians in Spanish 722 01:09:09.399 --> 01:09:13.880 Protestant stores, for example, Look at Catalonia, justice is not done to 723 01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:17.600 us. We are a minority, according to the last census of the Genaritad, 724 01:09:18.439 --> 01:09:24.399 three hundred twenty- zero evangelical Protestants and we are not given justice. 725 01:09:24.680 --> 01:09:28.760 But, speaking of all of us in Spain, we are people of peace, 726 01:09:29.039 --> 01:09:34.800 we are people of good and that is why we also see and cry 727 01:09:34.960 --> 01:09:41.680 out against the war, that unjust war of Israel, against the Gazati population 728 01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:45.039 and against others in any war. We' re hostile to that. We 729 01:09:45.239 --> 01:09:50.119 are the gospels, the gospel of peace, Our teacher is the prince of 730 01:09:50.720 --> 01:09:57.920 peace and we will always be and evangelical communities are communities of peace, of 731 01:09:58.039 --> 01:10:02.239 people of peace. So we say in Catalan are gene de pau we are 732 01:10:02.319 --> 01:10:06.039 not peace people. And then, well, in what way. That is 733 01:10:06.079 --> 01:10:10.760 why those who hear us in the city of Iran hear, because you go 734 01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:14.039 to the evangelical community, you will easily find people of good, people like 735 01:10:14.439 --> 01:10:17.760 you and me, who are not from another planet. There are also people 736 01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:23.880 from other countries who, by the way, evangelical communities are receiving, but 737 01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:29.039 very well, very good, receiving immigration, also to make the necessary immersion 738 01:10:29.119 --> 01:10:36.479 to catch up and also humanitarian aid. But this thing that we' re 739 01:10:36.600 --> 01:10:42.000 peaceful people, I think it' s a speech that characterizes us truth. 740 01:10:44.600 --> 01:10:48.920 Yes, I believe that in general we have always opted for positions that are 741 01:10:50.000 --> 01:10:55.800 peaceful or that can contribute to peace and coexistence, a little by tradition, 742 01:10:57.239 --> 01:11:02.199 but also, of course, by the same teaching that we receive from the 743 01:11:02.279 --> 01:11:10.079 Gospel, that is, Jesus himself said that blessed are the peacemakers and later, 744 01:11:11.680 --> 01:11:17.960 Paul says that God has entrusted us with the Ministry of Reconciliation. Then 745 01:11:19.319 --> 01:11:26.279 both teachings converge in an attitude to life that is not about seeking conflicts, 746 01:11:26.880 --> 01:11:32.039 but about trying to resolve them. Why. Because conflict is one of the 747 01:11:32.119 --> 01:11:35.840 clear fruits of sin, one of the consequences of sin, of what the 748 01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:43.439 conflict that we have created with God and the conflict that we have within us 749 01:11:43.840 --> 01:11:49.359 ends up manifesting in conflict with nature, with the Projimo, and this we 750 01:11:49.359 --> 01:11:55.039 end up taking also to a general level when we enter into conflict with other 751 01:11:55.119 --> 01:11:59.840 nations, with other peoples, And really there we see that the worst of 752 01:12:00.159 --> 01:12:02.079 human beings always comes out, that is, conflicts come out the worst of 753 01:12:02.159 --> 01:12:06.479 human beings. As agents of restoration and reconciliation in the world, Christians and 754 01:12:06.600 --> 01:12:12.600 evangelicals want to proclaim that there is another way of living, another way of 755 01:12:12.720 --> 01:12:18.520 doing things and that it is really worth trying to fight for a better world, 756 01:12:19.199 --> 01:12:26.960 not because we are better, but because it is what God can do 757 01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:34.039 in us. God can give you inner peace, he can reconcile your relationship 758 01:12:34.119 --> 01:12:40.800 with himself. In your relationship also with yourself and God invites us to live 759 01:12:41.039 --> 01:12:45.319 a life in that sense of inner peace and outer peace, peace with ourselves 760 01:12:45.439 --> 01:12:50.039 and peace that we can share with others. And that is a little bit 761 01:12:50.239 --> 01:12:55.720 the essence of the message we proclaim. That is why I believe that, 762 01:12:56.239 --> 01:13:02.640 naturally, we tend to that as Christians, because it is really the essence 763 01:13:02.720 --> 01:13:05.760 of Jesus’ message. That' s right, my friend. Well, 764 01:13:05.840 --> 01:13:11.319 there are a lot more things that we leave in the ink, friend Daniel, 765 01:13:12.439 --> 01:13:15.520 but, well, I think we' ve given a little review of 766 01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:18.039 some things that are in our surroundings. Listen, because this whole global village 767 01:13:18.119 --> 01:13:21.880 thing, this is that you find out what' s going on in the 768 01:13:21.960 --> 01:13:30.119 most remote part of the earth, not only in the planetary, atmospheric and 769 01:13:30.199 --> 01:13:39.680 catastrophic upheavals or turbulences, in the worst case scenario, but dramatic social policies. 770 01:13:40.520 --> 01:13:45.319 The good news is few, but we also need to. That is 771 01:13:45.039 --> 01:13:49.960 why we too are messengers of good news. We received good news, the 772 01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:56.920 Gospel of God, and that is the good news that man has to reconcile 773 01:13:56.960 --> 01:14:02.119 with God, because God loves us despite ourselves. And man has to reconcile 774 01:14:02.159 --> 01:14:08.720 with God before it is too late, because purgatory does not exist. Therefore, 775 01:14:08.960 --> 01:14:14.720 he here now and Jesus is waiting for him lives true yes, so 776 01:14:14.720 --> 01:14:18.640 that is what we always celebrate, for nothing more dear. Daniel sent you 777 01:14:18.720 --> 01:14:24.800 a very affectionate hug and we went back to Julio forever. Well, Chao 778 01:14:24.920 --> 01:15:13.199 Chao, until the next black farewell Crin and the new life maigred yor raro 779 01:15:13.800 --> 01:15:25.239 to worship marked from eternity in you is my identity Christ Jesus your happy months, 780 01:15:26.079 --> 01:15:50.880 what great fas my hands but this fun wasfe I am happy in Christ, 781 01:15:53.159 --> 01:16:01.800 save me, forgive me. I am complete in Christ the pibeck I 782 01:16:02.079 --> 01:16:36.880 can not all you I am happy in Crisso saved me, I forgive I 783 01:16:38.079 --> 01:17:04.079 am not complex in gray I return to it or I am ugly he lives 784 01:17:04.319 --> 01:17:23.239 in me or I loransa my celebration sorbe te crib in me I can throw 785 01:17:23.239 --> 01:17:44.520 and it will be horra. I am happy in Gristo, I kiss, 786 01:17:45.560 --> 01:17:56.640 I forgive myself, I am complete cso vir my strike. I' m 787 01:17:56.640 --> 01:18:34.319 chryso, I' m sao or I' m hombra in chris so the 788 01:18:34.479 --> 01:18:39.880 river can' t be until he comes to that one today closer than ever. 789 01:18:40.760 --> 01:18:45.600 We invite you to the second edition of this interdenominational congress aimed at the 790 01:18:45.680 --> 01:18:51.520 whole Body of Christ in Spain and Europe, which will take place from 26 791 01:18:51.600 --> 01:18:57.520 to 28 April in the Fira de Reus, Tarragona. The international speakers will 792 01:18:57.720 --> 01:19:02.640 be with us. I don' t know in the same way, Benjamin 793 01:19:02.640 --> 01:19:13.199 Núñez and Marcos Brunet. All Wang was either taken or well or famed. 794 01:19:13.520 --> 01:19:19.600 For more information you can enter our website wwwwww. Until he comes point is 795 01:19:19.880 --> 01:19:25.600 or write to the six, about, six, eight, eight, one, 796 01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:29.680 five, seven, one, six hundred, sixteen, eight hundred, 797 01:19:29.920 --> 01:19:34.000 eighty- one, five hundred seventy- one and consult prices and registration modalities. 798 01:19:34.479 --> 01:19:40.600 Do not miss the opportunity to participate in this great call. Until he 799 01:19:40.760 --> 01:19:50.159 comes? Until he comes? Odea pruning home in front of your glory was 800 01:19:51.640 --> 01:20:04.079 fay well plotted from everything or eye of vera zero alcohol, zero drugs at 801 01:20:04.079 --> 01:20:10.359 the wheel, zero nonsense. Leave your advice to avoid the next accident on 802 01:20:10.399 --> 01:20:50.359 your part. Point is you travel on the train of life. Ladies and 803 01:20:50.479 --> 01:20:57.680 gentlemen, very well found, welcome to this special we have today with our 804 01:20:57.840 --> 01:21:03.560 good friend Gonzalo Soriano, who is the promoter we all know of Biblical society 805 01:21:03.640 --> 01:21:08.880 in Spain. He' s the man who wears that flag. You know 806 01:21:08.960 --> 01:21:12.600 in the armies, the flagbearer is the one who carries the flag for the 807 01:21:12.640 --> 01:21:17.000 army to take position. And it' s very important. If the flagman 808 01:21:17.159 --> 01:21:25.359 falls, the army falls down a little bit. But if the standard- 809 01:21:25.880 --> 01:21:30.239 bearer arrives and positions himself, then it is a sign that we are moving 810 01:21:30.359 --> 01:21:34.359 forward, that we are going well and that there is victory and that good, 811 01:21:34.359 --> 01:21:38.439 for that is the biblical society. The biblical society of Spain is composed 812 01:21:38.560 --> 01:21:44.439 of looking at a very competent team with its Director General, Luis Fajardo, 813 01:21:44.920 --> 01:21:49.039 who is a man Mauda azi who is really in the script the editor of 814 01:21:49.079 --> 01:21:55.079 publications also Juan Triviño, we talked about I think he is one of the 815 01:21:55.079 --> 01:22:01.680 most experienced men in the world of Christian and secular publications, because he has 816 01:22:02.800 --> 01:22:08.800 a background of it And then, well, the whole team forms and conforms 817 01:22:08.840 --> 01:22:12.199 to biblical society, in which I also have the honor of being part, 818 01:22:12.600 --> 01:22:17.359 among others, with my friend President ManuelÁlvarez, and so many who collaborate 819 01:22:17.479 --> 01:22:26.520 there as employees in the service of a missionary project. Look at the first 820 01:22:26.600 --> 01:22:30.960 missionary we have the best who is not mute. Hey, it' s 821 01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:36.039 the Bible. It' s the Bible. It is this holy book that 822 01:22:36.119 --> 01:22:42.800 this is the Bible of the Reformation that the Bible Society of Spain edited a 823 01:22:42.840 --> 01:22:47.840 million Bibles. It was not the motto that each Spanish home had at least 824 01:22:47.920 --> 01:22:51.840 one Bible. And the truth is, well, we' re still doing 825 01:22:51.880 --> 01:22:57.760 that. But to talk about the projects of the Biblical Society of Spain and 826 01:22:57.920 --> 01:23:01.800 how to collaborate, because to hear this does not keep the air. It 827 01:23:01.840 --> 01:23:08.239 means we have to be very clear. We have that this week I was 828 01:23:08.520 --> 01:23:13.800 interviewing Reyes Gualda, who is the General Director of the Evangelic Hospital, what 829 01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:17.159 we have called the now Evangeli Hospital. But now we don' t snow 830 01:23:17.319 --> 01:23:24.399 is new. But now it is the Evangelly hospital of the theodo of almost 831 01:23:24.560 --> 01:23:29.640 half a century, which was one of the first hospitals here of the city 832 01:23:29.840 --> 01:23:34.039 Condal and a work so emblematic, so testimonial, so important. But Bible 833 01:23:34.159 --> 01:23:42.279 society is the same as centerary, but in addition to being the promoter of 834 01:23:42.399 --> 01:23:46.600 the Bible in various ways, Bible education programs, the Bible itself, various 835 01:23:46.600 --> 01:23:54.439 versions and so on, etcetera, etcetera. Therefore, we need to collaborate, 836 01:23:54.520 --> 01:23:56.960 because it is a work of faith. It' s a mission of 837 01:23:56.960 --> 01:24:00.800 faith. When you see dear Bible society sells a Bible at a popular price. 838 01:24:00.359 --> 01:24:05.720 Of course, in this bound that could now present the latest versions the 839 01:24:06.399 --> 01:24:12.960 two thousand twenty, which are in a precious faximil, of course, at 840 01:24:13.119 --> 01:24:18.920 a very popular price and others. But clear from there are the missionary projects 841 01:24:19.039 --> 01:24:26.640 that are free to those who do not have the Bible, countries, indigenous 842 01:24:26.760 --> 01:24:31.680 communities and other parts and humanitarian projects that are also accompanied. It is not 843 01:24:31.840 --> 01:24:36.239 only preaching the faith, but giving wheat at some times, although there are 844 01:24:36.840 --> 01:24:43.000 other organizations for that too, because without further delay, I welcome my friend 845 01:24:43.079 --> 01:24:46.359 Gonzalo Soriano. Welcome home, well found. Thank you very much. And 846 01:24:46.479 --> 01:24:48.560 yes, because you' re a little bit from here, from there, 847 01:24:48.920 --> 01:24:51.960 from everywhere, from everywhere. Yes, yes, yes, from Madrid and 848 01:24:53.159 --> 01:24:57.359 you are from Madrid. No, I' m not from Madrid. I 849 01:24:57.399 --> 01:25:01.000 live in Madrid fifty years ago, but I was born in a village in 850 01:25:01.119 --> 01:25:04.560 the province of Seville, ah Caramba, I am Sevillian. You look at 851 01:25:05.079 --> 01:25:11.640 yourself, the people of Osuna usura yes, city yes, yes, yes, 852 01:25:12.159 --> 01:25:15.600 and that brings me to Madrid because of the circumstances of the family times 853 01:25:15.640 --> 01:25:18.000 and I am still there in Madrid, yes, yes, yes. You 854 01:25:18.079 --> 01:25:23.800 ' ve had you married there you' ve had family, three children, 855 01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:27.000 yes, yes, wonderful and already a granddaughter yes. Yeah. Yeah. 856 01:25:27.199 --> 01:25:31.399 We are entering the different phases of Grandfather' s facet and very well, 857 01:25:31.720 --> 01:25:39.039 very well, very happy with the new ones, the new trajectories that we 858 01:25:39.800 --> 01:25:45.960 are all adapting and trying to assimilate every stage of life that are sometimes not 859 01:25:45.039 --> 01:25:49.159 so easy good that in life it has landscapes of all colors. Yes, 860 01:25:50.680 --> 01:25:57.159 but take a look at why Gonzalo Soriano has been working in Bible society for 861 01:25:57.199 --> 01:26:02.119 many years. It is the visible face of Bible society of us when we 862 01:26:02.159 --> 01:26:08.239 go anywhere. He is the one who represents, promotes and activates projects, 863 01:26:08.560 --> 01:26:13.479 as against us, some of them very important. And this also speaks of 864 01:26:13.720 --> 01:26:19.079 a path and a job well done that we all recognize. But you too 865 01:26:19.159 --> 01:26:24.079 in Madrid are in a church, I think you have a pastoral function as 866 01:26:24.079 --> 01:26:28.680 well. In addition, in other words, we also have the pastoral ministry 867 01:26:28.920 --> 01:26:32.640 shared in the church and in Madrid, in the struggle, and there we 868 01:26:32.640 --> 01:26:40.800 continue to serve the lord in the different areas. And the fact that I 869 01:26:40.880 --> 01:26:47.279 am a pastoral team allows me to work as coordinator of the society throughout the 870 01:26:47.399 --> 01:26:51.520 national territory. Sure. Of course, I live in Madrid, but sometimes 871 01:26:51.640 --> 01:26:55.359 they tell me that more in a vehicle, in a train itself, yes, 872 01:26:55.560 --> 01:26:58.720 yes, yes, that it is the city itself, because there is 873 01:26:58.760 --> 01:27:02.000 much that I would choose to do, of course, much territory to reach 874 01:27:02.079 --> 01:27:09.479 so that the word of God arrives, that the word runs, works, 875 01:27:09.640 --> 01:27:13.119 goes everywhere north, south, east and west and is glorified, as the 876 01:27:13.119 --> 01:27:16.840 apostle says. Not good, then, when it comes to reality, it 877 01:27:16.960 --> 01:27:23.079 is Bible society. He' s had such brilliant moments. In addition, 878 01:27:23.439 --> 01:27:26.920 it is the flagship to the House of the Bible, it is the sociability 879 01:27:26.920 --> 01:27:30.720 of Spain. I mean, we have to feel myself, really, I 880 01:27:30.960 --> 01:27:33.359 ' ve always felt good, not as a member that a few years ago 881 01:27:33.359 --> 01:27:39.680 and I' m a member of the Board of Directors, but I' 882 01:27:39.720 --> 01:27:41.920 ve always felt an admiration for Bible society. For what it represents and for 883 01:27:43.039 --> 01:27:45.239 what it has done, what it is doing and what it could do also 884 01:27:45.279 --> 01:27:51.960 with the help of all. It is a great responsibility and a burden for 885 01:27:51.960 --> 01:28:00.279 us. I believe that, as a biblical society, maintaining the reliability of 886 01:28:00.399 --> 01:28:05.159 a text like that of the word of God, and to that end, 887 01:28:05.760 --> 01:28:12.199 the backbone of all our work remains the translation of the scriptures, that the 888 01:28:12.279 --> 01:28:16.800 word of God is coming to the peoples in the language that it understands in 889 01:28:16.880 --> 01:28:20.880 the heart. Yes, it is. How some have told us is that 890 01:28:21.600 --> 01:28:24.880 God speaks my tongue. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, 891 01:28:24.920 --> 01:28:28.279 and that' s our job. Put in the scriptures, in the format 892 01:28:28.479 --> 01:28:33.399 and in the translation to which all people can reach and follow. It' 893 01:28:33.479 --> 01:28:36.520 s very interesting me and we have to be part of it today. He 894 01:28:36.560 --> 01:28:43.760 is already retired, jubilant who is our dear José Luis Andaber, who has 895 01:28:44.079 --> 01:28:49.720 been the Director General for many years, and I want publicly to honor the 896 01:28:49.720 --> 01:28:57.399 work and I think we all recognize him, the great work of positioning the 897 01:28:57.479 --> 01:29:02.279 Bible in not only Spain, but even the world, that the promoter of 898 01:29:02.560 --> 01:29:09.479 translations that has removed heaven and earth looking for the best biblicalists and experts in 899 01:29:09.600 --> 01:29:13.800 biblical texts, he himself, if involved, has traveled the half world, 900 01:29:14.079 --> 01:29:17.359 but in the whole half. And the truth is, he' s a 901 01:29:17.520 --> 01:29:23.359 man with inventiveness and creativity. To this day it is tremendous. We do 902 01:29:23.399 --> 01:29:27.159 not owe much to José Luis, Yes, because the fact of translation is 903 01:29:27.279 --> 01:29:32.159 not something that might seem easy or, as some understand, well this or 904 01:29:32.239 --> 01:29:36.439 from one language to another are translated. No. The translation of the scriptures 905 01:29:38.079 --> 01:29:45.239 requires a rigorous team, a complete constant team of linguists, biblists, experts 906 01:29:45.840 --> 01:29:53.199 in the original languages, experts in the languages of reception many years, that 907 01:29:53.359 --> 01:29:58.319 is, translating the scriptures intervene between fifteen, twenty people, more than fifteen 908 01:29:58.760 --> 01:30:00.800 ten years. Yes, yes, it is a work that, we convinced 909 01:30:00.800 --> 01:30:05.239 in Catalan, very curious, very careful very has to have many exquisiteness for, 910 01:30:05.720 --> 01:30:10.720 moreover, the biblical texts are not any old text eva. That is 911 01:30:10.800 --> 01:30:15.960 the great responsibility of the translation team that we are working with a text that 912 01:30:15.079 --> 01:30:18.560 is the word of God that will reach people and, as we have mentioned, 913 01:30:18.920 --> 01:30:23.159 recently with the encounter, with the scriptures of transforming the human being. 914 01:30:24.720 --> 01:30:28.199 That' s right, there are two last texts. The last ones We 915 01:30:28.279 --> 01:30:32.800 took a little more recent, two works that have been and are very relevant. 916 01:30:33.640 --> 01:30:41.199 It is the last most recent version, the revision of the Bible two 917 01:30:41.319 --> 01:30:47.000 thousand twenty, which is a very important adaptation. The essence of Queen Valera 918 01:30:47.760 --> 01:30:56.199 ' s style is preserved, but there are certain language idioms and words that 919 01:30:56.279 --> 01:30:59.119 are updated a little. Some people are surprised to say good Jehovah, because 920 01:30:59.199 --> 01:31:04.279 Jehovah has taken away himself. The first name Jehovah generated the idea sociologically. 921 01:31:04.960 --> 01:31:10.199 How many millions of times have I had to say that we are not Jehovah 922 01:31:11.079 --> 01:31:12.680 ’ s Witnesses because of the clear theme. The name of Jehovah is a 923 01:31:12.720 --> 01:31:16.000 name of Jehovah, the consonants of Jehovah or he already sees in Hebrew not 924 01:31:17.039 --> 01:31:19.159 And it is not that he is. He' s here. It is 925 01:31:19.439 --> 01:31:23.479 very correct that for the Jews it was without a name. God was the 926 01:31:23.560 --> 01:31:29.920 unprovoked, but the name to describe a little to the figure of the almighty 927 01:31:29.920 --> 01:31:35.560 God. Although God has many names in the Bible as well, but Jehovah 928 01:31:35.880 --> 01:31:43.119 and we have become unaccustomed with good, he will have become accustomed to the 929 01:31:43.199 --> 01:31:45.960 name and to me it is always for today’ s man the mentality of 930 01:31:46.039 --> 01:31:49.600 saying Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah. Then Lord God, the man of today, 931 01:31:49.800 --> 01:31:55.600 understands better. That' s totally true. The fact that texts which 932 01:31:55.760 --> 01:32:01.600 in this case are not translations are reviewed are revisions. It is the fact 933 01:32:01.640 --> 01:32:08.560 that language advances in language in any language. Over the years and generations, 934 01:32:09.319 --> 01:32:14.319 it is moving forward, other types of words are used, expressions are used, 935 01:32:14.520 --> 01:32:19.439 and that is not the case with Reina Valera and other texts. Queen 936 01:32:19.520 --> 01:32:24.399 Valera has suffered, well the word. I have not suffered, but it 937 01:32:24.479 --> 01:32:29.479 has been enriched in the various revisions, because it has enriched today' s 938 01:32:29.479 --> 01:32:33.399 language. Queen Valera two thousand twenty is still a literature, a language of 939 01:32:33.760 --> 01:32:38.720 the century of the Spanish. But of course, today there is no talk 940 01:32:38.760 --> 01:32:40.760 of the same thing that was spoken in one thousand nine hundred and sixty. 941 01:32:40.800 --> 01:32:45.199 It is that no one understands it, no one because there are expressions and 942 01:32:45.319 --> 01:32:47.640 words that are not understood, because they have stopped being used. Sure, 943 01:32:47.880 --> 01:32:50.159 and some of them are archaic. Or the old man and I set the 944 01:32:50.199 --> 01:32:56.720 example of listening in a teenage conversation. Of course, as happened to me 945 01:32:57.720 --> 01:33:01.000 this past week, at the broadcast meeting, you might sit next to a 946 01:33:01.039 --> 01:33:04.960 group of teenagers of twelve fourteen and I had to get up saying I' 947 01:33:05.039 --> 01:33:10.840 m not hearing anything at all, because they use the expressions you say. 948 01:33:11.399 --> 01:33:13.680 I think they' re saying this, but that' s not it. 949 01:33:14.319 --> 01:33:17.000 Yes, yes, yes, indeed the language other codes and runs so fast 950 01:33:17.079 --> 01:33:24.399 that we, as a sociblical, have to go looking at that speed of 951 01:33:24.680 --> 01:33:29.680 language so that the word of God remains relevant to these new generations. Then 952 01:33:30.079 --> 01:33:34.039 one of the works is to review the text of Reina Valera, our Queen 953 01:33:34.039 --> 01:33:39.239 Valera, which remains the text of the literature of the century of Spanish. 954 01:33:39.560 --> 01:33:45.359 The doubt, the simplification of the dynamic words, the dynamic simplification of the 955 01:33:45.479 --> 01:33:49.560 words, which is what is done in all the structures of ancient books, 956 01:33:50.520 --> 01:33:59.479 that without losing the essences and the essential interpretation, the fact the lists are 957 01:34:00.119 --> 01:34:03.680 very pure for the most part. In fact, we always do and propose 958 01:34:03.760 --> 01:34:08.720 in our events, in this youth we have also done so. We give 959 01:34:08.840 --> 01:34:15.880 a workshop on translation and teach to translate goes in quotation marks. But the 960 01:34:15.000 --> 01:34:20.760 idea of putting an original text, putting word for word from that text that 961 01:34:21.079 --> 01:34:28.239 does not make any sense, but just like putting it and making sense for 962 01:34:28.359 --> 01:34:34.119 it to be understood by different levels of language, since it is a group 963 01:34:34.279 --> 01:34:40.960 to translate that text or estode of exodus, so that one university student and 964 01:34:41.039 --> 01:34:45.000 the other group could understand it for a six- year- old child and 965 01:34:45.159 --> 01:34:49.800 the text, text of the law very well if you kill or steal an 966 01:34:49.960 --> 01:34:55.399 ox at last is complex. They realized the kids were so complex. Then 967 01:34:55.479 --> 01:35:00.359 there has appeared a new adaptation, which is the basic Bible language. We 968 01:35:00.439 --> 01:35:09.239 have done a translation with a team that has cost you enough, because it 969 01:35:09.439 --> 01:35:13.479 is to move the original text that we have so that a person can understand 970 01:35:13.560 --> 01:35:17.840 it from six to eight years, to reduce the number of words in the 971 01:35:17.880 --> 01:35:23.319 language that have been about four zero, four zero and some words that have 972 01:35:24.479 --> 01:35:28.159 been used and that you can understand. And the director of that translation used 973 01:35:28.239 --> 01:35:31.359 to call me boy, the new will has been released, but the old 974 01:35:31.479 --> 01:35:34.640 one is costing us. God and help and never better said clear, because 975 01:35:34.720 --> 01:35:39.439 it is very complex. There are expressions that are complex, but I think 976 01:35:39.600 --> 01:35:44.960 it has already come out and is on sale this new translation, which is 977 01:35:45.039 --> 01:35:48.840 falling very well, because for new readers, only for children, but people 978 01:35:48.880 --> 01:35:54.239 who for the first time approach the text of the scriptures give it greater clarity 979 01:35:54.920 --> 01:36:00.479 and simplicity in terms, in context either the books of the old or the 980 01:36:00.560 --> 01:36:05.479 new, and this new translation is being very, very effective. The Bible 981 01:36:05.520 --> 01:36:11.960 is the basic language that is for teenage children and good, and for people 982 01:36:12.079 --> 01:36:16.159 who have a low cultural profile, who have a language as very primary, 983 01:36:17.319 --> 01:36:21.880 they do very well. No and they don' t say any good, 984 01:36:23.199 --> 01:36:26.840 but this can be vistual. No, no, no, I have a 985 01:36:26.920 --> 01:36:31.039 copy and I read the Bible in basic language. I also mean, and 986 01:36:31.079 --> 01:36:39.039 I find it appetizing sometimes because it' s so understandable that you say caramba. 987 01:36:39.079 --> 01:36:43.119 This is understood by anyone. It doesn' t deal with translations. 988 01:36:43.359 --> 01:36:45.880 When done, they don' t try to replace each other. This is 989 01:36:45.960 --> 01:36:55.000 a misconception. Translations do not go out or are not done to replace each 990 01:36:55.119 --> 01:37:00.079 other, but to reach the level of language of each region, of each 991 01:37:00.159 --> 01:37:06.600 person and biblical societies in Spain. We have translations that are directed at these 992 01:37:06.680 --> 01:37:14.079 different levels of language. From a higher language as a courageous queen or even 993 01:37:14.720 --> 01:37:18.840 with many more words the word. The translation of the word uses about fifteen 994 01:37:18.920 --> 01:37:25.079 zero words more than Reina Valera, also directed by university students. Then we 995 01:37:25.119 --> 01:37:29.880 have God speak today which is a more common language, which uses fewer words, 996 01:37:29.920 --> 01:37:33.880 about twenty thousand And so we are doing translations, but they do not 997 01:37:33.880 --> 01:37:41.000 replace. I think it enriches and we don' t see ourselves left alone 998 01:37:41.159 --> 01:37:44.079 with a version or a translation of the scriptures. You have to read several, 999 01:37:44.439 --> 01:37:47.439 because that enriches us. As you well say, understand some phrases, 1000 01:37:47.680 --> 01:37:53.119 in laying down some concepts. That helps us, therefore, in the workshops 1001 01:37:53.119 --> 01:37:56.359 we give of the seminars, always in the question which is the best, 1002 01:37:57.920 --> 01:38:02.239 and our translation director is always given the same answers. The best is the 1003 01:38:02.279 --> 01:38:05.840 one you read clearly, yes, yes, yes, certainly, the best 1004 01:38:05.920 --> 01:38:14.239 is the one you do not practice. We also have the translation of the 1005 01:38:14.840 --> 01:38:19.560 word the version. This has taken on a lot of boom, has been 1006 01:38:19.680 --> 01:38:26.279 exposed to several revisions and updates. It' s a Bible of the last 1007 01:38:26.279 --> 01:38:30.479 few years. Work has been done, it has been revised and it is 1008 01:38:30.560 --> 01:38:38.880 already a very successful text and very well adapted to contemporary language. In the 1009 01:38:38.960 --> 01:38:44.720 Interfaith Bible. It has also been a reading that also the Editor of the 1010 01:38:44.760 --> 01:38:49.039 Bible Society of Spain and that has a language also very popular, but also 1011 01:38:49.560 --> 01:38:55.199 very well, very well translated. But the word, the word is a 1012 01:38:55.319 --> 01:39:00.760 very interesting version. It is also a higher level of language aimed at a 1013 01:39:00.840 --> 01:39:09.479 university audience that has a greater diversity of words and expressions that enrich the text 1014 01:39:09.560 --> 01:39:14.199 as well. No. Yes, quite that is our task, the first 1015 01:39:14.600 --> 01:39:17.159 yes, then the other tasks come. Sure, well, all of these 1016 01:39:17.159 --> 01:39:21.640 are some of the latest versions. More evidently, there is the classic of 1017 01:39:21.680 --> 01:39:27.039 nineteen hundred and sixty, the Nona Valera, classic of the uncle and we 1018 01:39:27.199 --> 01:39:29.319 have the ability of the bear. If anyone wants to have who doesn' 1019 01:39:29.600 --> 01:39:31.399 t, what a pro Protestant doesn' t have the bear bible in his 1020 01:39:31.399 --> 01:39:39.159 house. Then the first edition, of the prime edition of the queen' 1021 01:39:39.199 --> 01:39:44.119 s asidore, which we have the facsimiles available and then we have easy also 1022 01:39:44.199 --> 01:39:45.039 of the one of one thousand six hundred two. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, 1023 01:39:45.319 --> 01:39:47.600 from the pitcher. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There is 1024 01:39:47.760 --> 01:39:51.720 also a previous one, a new testament of Francis of Faticas. It' 1025 01:39:51.800 --> 01:39:57.199 s a work of art. These people were at the time the avant- 1026 01:39:58.479 --> 01:40:04.079 garde intellectuals. I counter- reform it very strongly, because part of some 1027 01:40:04.199 --> 01:40:10.279 sectors of the nobility of the time and also of the sinturual intellectuals of the 1028 01:40:10.359 --> 01:40:15.720 time began to embrace or approach the Protestant reform. And there, they aborted 1029 01:40:15.800 --> 01:40:19.600 the Catholic Church. Abortion with a thousand strategies at the time, today, 1030 01:40:19.720 --> 01:40:27.800 is another obvious thing. In the Catholic Church it has another physiognomy in that 1031 01:40:29.319 --> 01:40:33.479 good sense and one of the things we need. I said, the greatest 1032 01:40:33.600 --> 01:40:39.720 missionary we have is the Bible. He is the missionary par excellence. Well, 1033 01:40:39.800 --> 01:40:42.239 I got this one, but this is the reform one. But there 1034 01:40:42.520 --> 01:40:45.319 are all of them. We haven' t brought the others I have. 1035 01:40:45.399 --> 01:40:50.840 I in my little house could have brought the collection of bibles that I have 1036 01:40:50.920 --> 01:40:57.439 a real collection. But the Bible is the missionary and Bible society carries the 1037 01:40:57.560 --> 01:41:02.199 Bible where many cannot access it because of economic conditions in many precarious countries. 1038 01:41:03.760 --> 01:41:08.920 And for that is the project of a Bible to upload me and I believe 1039 01:41:08.960 --> 01:41:13.159 it is in our solidarity to make Bible society clear. If Bible society edits 1040 01:41:13.199 --> 01:41:16.479 certain translations and certain things and promotes them and puts them on sale in that 1041 01:41:17.159 --> 01:41:24.359 small margin that you have to reinvest it in missionary projects, it does not 1042 01:41:24.359 --> 01:41:29.920 exist to enrich itself and it is not enriched and it is not non- 1043 01:41:30.520 --> 01:41:33.279 profit submission and it does not go that way. Then all you get is 1044 01:41:33.399 --> 01:41:41.840 to reinvest it. But the most important background we have is that we are 1045 01:41:42.079 --> 01:41:45.960 on the subject of a Bible a month because after doing the translation, we 1046 01:41:48.119 --> 01:41:54.319 cannot stay there what the public society does. Now we must produce and deliver 1047 01:41:54.520 --> 01:41:59.760 the Bible text to people in those formats that they can access. And you 1048 01:41:59.800 --> 01:42:05.000 have to make paper bibles and you have to make bibles like our slogan so 1049 01:42:05.079 --> 01:42:10.119 that people can access the price they can pay there. And that, then, 1050 01:42:10.199 --> 01:42:15.560 depends a lot. But I think we are the entity that makes bibles, 1051 01:42:15.279 --> 01:42:23.119 we are not the only one, but the one that adjusts the price 1052 01:42:23.520 --> 01:42:29.760 of output of a book of more than 1, 200 pages in a special 1053 01:42:29.840 --> 01:42:31.600 Bible paper and that does not exceed four euros. This is, this is 1054 01:42:31.720 --> 01:42:34.960 a bargain, is that that' s not just what society can do. 1055 01:42:35.359 --> 01:42:41.159 We have to wobble our brains to find what is clear, because the trade 1056 01:42:41.279 --> 01:42:45.359 margins only cover production costs, because what we want with us is for it 1057 01:42:45.439 --> 01:42:51.600 to spread and distribute as much as possible the scriptures. But not only do 1058 01:42:51.640 --> 01:42:57.760 we stay there with the one- month Bible project that are those people and 1059 01:42:57.880 --> 01:43:02.720 donors who for many are accompanying the month by month. With that small amount 1060 01:43:03.720 --> 01:43:10.359 it makes it possible not only to subsidize the cost of departure, but also 1061 01:43:10.439 --> 01:43:18.199 to make free donations for projects of the Church' s mission. We have 1062 01:43:18.199 --> 01:43:23.760 to support the mission that the Church does. One of them is the work 1063 01:43:23.920 --> 01:43:32.159 with prisons. As you know there Ministry of Religious Assistance in prisons and for 1064 01:43:32.319 --> 01:43:39.399 them we provide, within our means, all the material we can, free 1065 01:43:39.520 --> 01:43:44.760 or subsidized. Why, because it' s the church and that mystery that 1066 01:43:44.800 --> 01:43:46.000 ' s handing it over to the prisoner for free. That' s why 1067 01:43:46.039 --> 01:43:49.319 he' s not going to buy it for you, of course, but 1068 01:43:49.960 --> 01:43:55.840 you' re going to hand it over to the prisoner and we' re 1069 01:43:55.960 --> 01:44:00.279 going to do it as they tell us, that' s the best way 1070 01:44:00.359 --> 01:44:06.279 to get it to the prisoners, that is, the format, the font 1071 01:44:06.439 --> 01:44:12.079 size, the type of paper, as you know, and it' s 1072 01:44:12.119 --> 01:44:12.680 very repetitive, but it' s still the ultra fine fine paper bibles that 1073 01:44:12.680 --> 01:44:18.199 prisoners smoke. Then they ask for many Bibles, but already prison officials tell 1074 01:44:18.239 --> 01:44:21.479 us hear no other Bible flames of these that already know what they were doing. 1075 01:44:21.560 --> 01:44:26.279 Fovettes pass it off as drum, which is not the hard cardboard cover 1076 01:44:26.399 --> 01:44:30.920 either, because that makes tools, that is, you have to think about 1077 01:44:31.000 --> 01:44:38.560 what format we give it. Then we are doing a free gospel behind bars, 1078 01:44:39.760 --> 01:44:44.199 with a very nice special role, by the way, with testimonies of 1079 01:44:44.359 --> 01:44:49.439 Spanish prisoners who have met the lord in prison and who give unscentable paper, 1080 01:44:50.840 --> 01:44:55.640 so that the gift is so that they have it in their boy or as 1081 01:44:55.720 --> 01:44:59.560 they say, and they can read it calmly, with a more legible letter, 1082 01:45:00.560 --> 01:45:04.920 etcetera, etcetera. And so, we' re making materials for free 1083 01:45:05.199 --> 01:45:11.159 or if we can make them free for hospitals. Yes, I mean, 1084 01:45:11.239 --> 01:45:16.000 there are prisons, hospitals and urban tribes that call it urban and then there 1085 01:45:16.079 --> 01:45:20.720 ' s the transit operation uy those of a colossal magnitude. That we go 1086 01:45:20.720 --> 01:45:26.520 further, but I want to say that these are some of the aspects of 1087 01:45:26.640 --> 01:45:31.920 investment. Of course, all these are donations that are delivered free of charge 1088 01:45:31.920 --> 01:45:36.119 accompanied, in addition to a bottle of water, to those who are worth 1089 01:45:36.119 --> 01:45:45.399 transit. Operation transit is to take advantage of the transit operation of the State 1090 01:45:45.399 --> 01:45:49.159 that every summer, as you know, transit through our country thousands and billions 1091 01:45:49.800 --> 01:45:54.680 of vehicles that go from the countries of residence of northern Europe to their country 1092 01:45:54.760 --> 01:46:00.479 of origin, in North Africa and in the Spanish and French ports. Right 1093 01:46:00.520 --> 01:46:04.359 now we' re in a lot of ports waiting to take the ferret. 1094 01:46:04.920 --> 01:46:11.359 We gave them a free package of scriptures in their language and, in some 1095 01:46:11.479 --> 01:46:17.159 cases bilingual, in Spanish Arabic, French Arabic to families and we have already 1096 01:46:17.279 --> 01:46:23.279 delivered more than sixteen million scriptures to the ports. How we do it. 1097 01:46:23.960 --> 01:46:30.079 First, with the donations of one Bible a month we produce the new wills 1098 01:46:30.159 --> 01:46:36.039 in their language, also designed in a form and style that an Arab culture 1099 01:46:36.119 --> 01:46:41.520 will not reject, which is another issue that sometimes volunteers have to tell you, 1100 01:46:41.640 --> 01:46:49.399 because Arab and Muslim culture has a great respect for the book. Then 1101 01:46:49.399 --> 01:46:54.840 the book is very sacred and ours that we give over the Bible, the 1102 01:46:54.920 --> 01:46:58.640 Koran, is a book to which you have great respect. That' s 1103 01:46:58.680 --> 01:47:01.439 why we tell our volunteer Look, if you go with your Bible, don 1104 01:47:01.520 --> 01:47:06.479 ' t take it anyway, don' t see that the twist goes or 1105 01:47:06.479 --> 01:47:10.960 that the painter rules, because for them that' s discrediting what we give 1106 01:47:10.960 --> 01:47:15.960 it. Not then do we work with the volunteers to make it a very 1107 01:47:16.720 --> 01:47:20.439 effective delivery according to the culture we are going to. And, on the 1108 01:47:20.560 --> 01:47:26.199 other hand, after producing that, what we seek are volunteers during the month 1109 01:47:26.319 --> 01:47:30.760 of July and August, who want to come with us to have a missionary 1110 01:47:30.760 --> 01:47:35.479 experience, with another culture, without leaving your country. This is a wish. 1111 01:47:35.960 --> 01:47:40.279 That possibility is open. That' s already open. You must enter 1112 01:47:40.319 --> 01:47:45.239 the website of the Bible society Slow Org, missionary projects, transit operation. 1113 01:47:46.479 --> 01:47:50.640 There are the dates, there are the costs of the stay. We do 1114 01:47:51.239 --> 01:47:58.319 so in small groups, small groups of ten twelve people, because there are 1115 01:47:58.439 --> 01:48:01.760 also many volunteers coming from the United States, Australia, South Africa, Lebanon, 1116 01:48:02.119 --> 01:48:05.680 Egypt. Of course, these people who live in Europe, the Muslims 1117 01:48:05.680 --> 01:48:11.119 who come in Europe, speak English and French perfectly and in Spanish nostro. 1118 01:48:11.239 --> 01:48:15.199 We have to speak in Spanish, that we have many and those volunteers gather 1119 01:48:15.319 --> 01:48:20.239 them in the ports, in schedules where the ferries enter and leave and in 1120 01:48:20.960 --> 01:48:25.439 those waits we deliver the material. So we' ve reduced, well reduced. 1121 01:48:25.520 --> 01:48:28.119 We' ve put Thursday through Monday, weekends, which is when there 1122 01:48:28.199 --> 01:48:31.640 ' s more movement. And if in any group you want to go, 1123 01:48:32.039 --> 01:48:36.279 the youth groups of a church, get in touch with us and it will 1124 01:48:36.720 --> 01:48:41.439 be an unforgettable one. It' s an evangelistic campaign. In addition, 1125 01:48:42.279 --> 01:48:46.319 kind serennos and stridence, but very intentional, what is operation, transit, 1126 01:48:46.800 --> 01:48:50.840 the distribution of scriptures with a bottle of water, and that what awaits us 1127 01:48:50.960 --> 01:48:59.720 is the experience of the spiritual struggle, that struggle that Paul tells us. 1128 01:49:00.279 --> 01:49:04.199 We have no fight against flesh and blood. That' s where you live 1129 01:49:04.199 --> 01:49:08.640 with that one. You live there on the front line, of course, 1130 01:49:08.840 --> 01:49:12.279 look, how interesting your first line is, because it looks like it' 1131 01:49:12.279 --> 01:49:15.039 s easy. Well, I' m gonna give you a package. I 1132 01:49:15.159 --> 01:49:17.840 just have to learn three sentences in your language to deliver it. Yes, 1133 01:49:17.960 --> 01:49:24.000 yes, but when they are there, when you are in front of so 1134 01:49:24.079 --> 01:49:29.199 many people, of that condition, of that culture, the enemy tail the 1135 01:49:29.359 --> 01:49:35.960 evil, salan or some phrases that are to paint God bless you and such 1136 01:49:36.119 --> 01:49:40.359 hear, then for all that. Well, in so many chapters we have 1137 01:49:41.039 --> 01:49:45.000 talked about prisons that there is a huge investment in hospital pastoral care, with 1138 01:49:45.640 --> 01:49:50.399 hospital agents in different parts of the country, the transit operation project and there 1139 01:49:50.399 --> 01:49:54.960 are others. Then, too, sending to countries in precarious conditions that cannot 1140 01:49:55.000 --> 01:49:59.039 be found in Cuba, Venezuela, and there are countless countries in Nicaragua, 1141 01:49:59.199 --> 01:50:02.960 where Bibles are being sent free of charge to access the population. So Uban 1142 01:50:03.800 --> 01:50:11.960 Uban is a Bible a month Uban. That is how we can proactively collaborate 1143 01:50:12.880 --> 01:50:18.520 with this missionary who is the Bible, take her to so many places in 1144 01:50:18.640 --> 01:50:24.880 need with the Uban project, because Uban, entering the partner website applies or 1145 01:50:25.199 --> 01:50:30.960 there explains how it is a monthly fee, a minimum of five to ten 1146 01:50:30.000 --> 01:50:36.439 euros that each person monthly. That is why a Bible a month gives us 1147 01:50:36.600 --> 01:50:43.079 and we transform it into Bibles and new wills. And then, at the 1148 01:50:43.119 --> 01:50:45.760 end of the year, we' ll see. As you have already said, 1149 01:50:45.039 --> 01:50:50.760 we have given free scriptures to Bible societies that have been left by the 1150 01:50:50.880 --> 01:50:57.960 crisis and pandemic badly damaged economically and have sent them free Bibles to help those 1151 01:50:58.640 --> 01:51:03.600 populations to have scriptures. Venezuela, Nicaragua, Puerto Rico and now Cuba have 1152 01:51:05.840 --> 01:51:14.920 opened their hands a little bit. So it' s been almost a million 1153 01:51:15.000 --> 01:51:18.199 bibles. Look, notice in a short time, a little, two years, 1154 01:51:18.840 --> 01:51:23.159 in two years. It' s a lot, but very colossal. 1155 01:51:23.880 --> 01:51:30.560 But that' s why a Bible a month Uban is a Bible to the 1156 01:51:30.640 --> 01:51:32.680 Month and then we can make a coblation of between five and ten euros is 1157 01:51:32.680 --> 01:51:39.159 within reach. If one says well, I work with that they are very 1158 01:51:39.159 --> 01:51:47.800 worthy, with passion a solidiamente worvisión or with other solidarity initiatives, the youth 1159 01:51:47.920 --> 01:51:54.880 of life, who humanitarian organizations of first level or rowing, whoever it is 1160 01:51:54.880 --> 01:51:58.680 is formidable. That' s a very important chapter. But in our ram 1161 01:51:58.800 --> 01:52:02.319 it is also the life that, by the way, in sociability also assumes 1162 01:52:02.760 --> 01:52:09.119 some projects as well as wells in some places and humanitarian very punctual, in 1163 01:52:09.159 --> 01:52:14.039 extreme situations, but our priority mission is to carry the bread of life. 1164 01:52:14.960 --> 01:52:17.960 Then, one Bible a month helps us a lot. That is to make 1165 01:52:18.039 --> 01:52:24.319 us aware and to collaborate in missionary action, not only of the Biblical society, 1166 01:52:24.479 --> 01:52:30.560 but of the Bible. That helps and contributes to the fact that in 1167 01:52:31.000 --> 01:52:38.840 the Bible it was considered named to see if my memory does not fail me 1168 01:52:38.840 --> 01:52:44.479 as by the UN, as the other humanitarian aid. This UN certification makes 1169 01:52:44.600 --> 01:52:49.760 it possible for Bible societies around the world to be present in refugee camps, 1170 01:52:50.079 --> 01:52:59.039 in war conflicts, in the natural disasters that occur and that leave people in 1171 01:52:59.199 --> 01:53:08.560 their refugee camps. It allows entry so that scriptures can be distributed in these 1172 01:53:08.680 --> 01:53:16.039 situations, the refugee camps. It has to be thought coldly that humanitarian aid 1173 01:53:16.159 --> 01:53:20.920 to the doctor and food passes in the morning at 11: 30 and it 1174 01:53:21.680 --> 01:53:26.640 is all settled in the sense that I already have today' s food and 1175 01:53:26.760 --> 01:53:30.800 the doctor has passed. Now what do I do all day? What do 1176 01:53:30.920 --> 01:53:34.199 I do with my kids all day? What I do with my young people 1177 01:53:34.279 --> 01:53:41.039 all day. It is that the refugee camp is very dramatic, not only 1178 01:53:41.119 --> 01:53:44.760 because they are in that situation, but also because the day is very long. 1179 01:53:45.079 --> 01:53:48.800 Of course, then, Bible societies in those countries, with which they 1180 01:53:48.880 --> 01:53:55.760 are closest, send their volunteers with scriptures and work with children, with young 1181 01:53:56.199 --> 01:54:01.560 people. Feel to read, feel to play, and feel to bring the 1182 01:54:02.199 --> 01:54:06.000 tremendous scriptures to you. That' s why it' s very important to 1183 01:54:06.000 --> 01:54:11.199 collaborate. To do so, I use a Bible a month. Collaborate with 1184 01:54:11.760 --> 01:54:16.279 Bible society, please, because it is the bread of life. And besides, 1185 01:54:16.920 --> 01:54:23.960 it' s an insignificant thing. Five euros, ten euros that is 1186 01:54:24.000 --> 01:54:30.279 within reach of an immense majority in Europe, more Spanish than those in the 1187 01:54:30.359 --> 01:54:38.000 precarious, extreme situation, No, but most people. We can collaborate with 1188 01:54:38.079 --> 01:54:42.119 at least ten euros, the one that can do more, very well, 1189 01:54:42.600 --> 01:54:44.880 because then it is a Bible. There are two bibles a month, three 1190 01:54:44.920 --> 01:54:48.640 bibles, four or five bibles. Then enter the page of the Bible Society 1191 01:54:48.680 --> 01:54:55.439 of Spain, Org Bible Society, and they automatically get a tab, a 1192 01:54:55.520 --> 01:55:00.399 tab inviting you to participate in the program of a further library projects. And 1193 01:55:00.560 --> 01:55:06.279 this is the priority, the star of sociability to promote missionary action. But 1194 01:55:06.399 --> 01:55:12.640 it has good, there are many projects. He also has the neuslatter that 1195 01:55:13.000 --> 01:55:16.680 the letters I am going to receive and above all, those who enter into 1196 01:55:16.960 --> 01:55:21.439 this project have the letter. If you enter the page, in the end 1197 01:55:21.600 --> 01:55:28.239 you can give your email and weekly we send news of what is happening very 1198 01:55:28.479 --> 01:55:32.840 interesting, where are arriving the Bibles that we produce missionary services, to the 1199 01:55:32.920 --> 01:55:39.640 churches, to the prisons, to the testimonies, and we also have there 1200 01:55:39.760 --> 01:55:46.560 an audio material that we work with the Ministry of the Faith Comes by hearing 1201 01:55:46.880 --> 01:55:54.319 where they produce the Bible in dramatized audio. They are devices, devices that 1202 01:55:54.399 --> 01:56:00.800 help put the new will dramatized in those places where people cannot read what prisons 1203 01:56:00.000 --> 01:56:04.520 are like, such as hospitals, such as nursing homes, the residences of 1204 01:56:04.560 --> 01:56:13.960 minors, unaccompanied. In many places, the word of God also comes in 1205 01:56:14.039 --> 01:56:20.840 audio to the ear. We have apparatuses and devices that help and facilitate listening 1206 01:56:21.119 --> 01:56:29.640 to the dramatized New Testament and that project is underway and we have recorded the 1207 01:56:29.760 --> 01:56:34.880 New Testament in different languages of the national territory so that in each place they 1208 01:56:34.960 --> 01:56:41.159 also have in the scriptures, in their language and in audio, so that 1209 01:56:41.199 --> 01:56:44.640 they can listen and spread it. And it' s also being very effective 1210 01:56:44.640 --> 01:56:49.039 in Catalan, by the way, in Basque, well, in Galician there 1211 01:56:49.760 --> 01:56:56.800 were also a number of translations. Also now in Asturians you go to finished 1212 01:56:56.880 --> 01:57:01.439 products. Well also the new translations of the word. And all that, 1213 01:57:01.479 --> 01:57:03.840 that' s the chore that there' s a series of yes there' 1214 01:57:03.840 --> 01:57:09.600 s everything. Now we' re going to record other languages in North Africa, 1215 01:57:10.039 --> 01:57:15.039 because there are also populations who don' t have reading, that is, 1216 01:57:15.279 --> 01:57:17.079 who don' t know how to read. There is much more anolphabetism 1217 01:57:17.600 --> 01:57:23.600 within Morocco, Algeria and then we are recording in their own languages, also 1218 01:57:23.600 --> 01:57:27.920 in the New Testament. Yes, in the terilla, in the gevali, 1219 01:57:28.520 --> 01:57:32.279 in the riff, in the berber, which are in all these languages. 1220 01:57:32.520 --> 01:57:36.479 That' s interesting. Well, remember the Bible society of Spain rg there 1221 01:57:36.880 --> 01:57:42.920 you can access and see all the programs in progress and how to also collaborate, 1222 01:57:43.319 --> 01:57:46.039 besides praying that it is one now when listening to us you will tell 1223 01:57:46.119 --> 01:57:49.520 because of course I have to last for the Bible study, because this, 1224 01:57:49.800 --> 01:57:51.920 we wanted it to be a kind of showcase of the Year of Kika. 1225 01:57:53.359 --> 01:57:56.479 And no, no, no, this is a moving move, but at 1226 01:57:56.600 --> 01:58:00.239 a thousand an hour in n n n n n NS, then there are 1227 01:58:00.800 --> 01:58:05.359 projects as from end to end, which is a project recently in recent years, 1228 01:58:05.920 --> 01:58:13.239 but which is having a tremendous impact. Tell us a little good. 1229 01:58:13.279 --> 01:58:20.560 The extreme arises from our own research, which I did with teenagers and young 1230 01:58:20.920 --> 01:58:29.640 people at the various national meetings, asking the children. Hey, you guys 1231 01:58:29.720 --> 01:58:34.600 go with the Bible, you don' t use it, you don' 1232 01:58:34.600 --> 01:58:44.760 t understand it. There are not many things that we have to foresee as 1233 01:58:44.840 --> 01:58:47.880 much as public society as churches. But I think of my church as well 1234 01:58:47.960 --> 01:58:57.560 as my teenagers. Today few people move the book on paper. Most of 1235 01:58:57.640 --> 01:59:01.239 us carry the electronic bible, we take the vibr to electronics, but the 1236 01:59:01.319 --> 01:59:05.319 kids even more. And the other thing that called me the tank has all 1237 01:59:05.359 --> 01:59:12.039 the versions of the Bible in the clear. I always say our app is 1238 01:59:13.000 --> 01:59:16.119 ju version. Yeah, and if you haven' t been unloaded, you 1239 01:59:16.159 --> 01:59:19.399 know you won' t get into heaven. You' ll come to Peter 1240 01:59:19.479 --> 01:59:24.079 and ask them You' ll let go of the juversion. Well, there 1241 01:59:24.119 --> 01:59:28.479 they are, not only ours, there are all the translations and versions of 1242 01:59:28.960 --> 01:59:32.600 other entities, of other parks, that they are all together and we have 1243 01:59:32.760 --> 01:59:36.840 not closed the door to others, but that juversion has all and also has 1244 01:59:36.920 --> 01:59:43.640 them in audio and video notice And based on that with the guys who also 1245 01:59:43.760 --> 01:59:47.399 told me Mira, we do not talk about Jesus to our companions and our 1246 01:59:47.520 --> 01:59:55.920 companions do not know who Jesus is. And he tells me one. I 1247 01:59:56.000 --> 02:00:00.199 was walking with a friend and he told me to listen to that building what 1248 02:00:00.199 --> 02:00:06.359 it is. And the other stranger said because a man a church do not 1249 02:00:06.479 --> 02:00:11.800 know at home, they tell them nothing about religion. Nor do we have 1250 02:00:13.000 --> 02:00:18.359 a growing generation at school without the values and knowledge of Christendom, unlike us, 1251 02:00:19.119 --> 02:00:24.840 who have been born into a varligious, Catholic, but religious culture. 1252 02:00:27.960 --> 02:00:31.159 But now they don' t, now they don' t know, they 1253 02:00:31.159 --> 02:00:32.560 don' t know who Jesus is. They don' t know what Christianity 1254 02:00:32.560 --> 02:00:39.119 is. Interestingly, this is not sociologically if they are doing studies and adolescents 1255 02:00:39.159 --> 02:00:43.600 and young people do not know. There is the total Christianization of Europe in 1256 02:00:43.680 --> 02:00:50.760 the last thirty years. But galloping then, with these elements that we have 1257 02:00:50.880 --> 02:00:56.119 thought of developing this project that we have called him from end to end, 1258 02:00:56.479 --> 02:01:01.479 that is, from one end a person who knows nothing about Jesus, to 1259 02:01:01.600 --> 02:01:09.239 present him to Jesus, to make him follow Jesus, accompanying him on a 1260 02:01:10.239 --> 02:01:15.600 journey in four moments or in four ways that can awaken that interest in knowing 1261 02:01:15.600 --> 02:01:19.479 Jesus. And we do it through one of the biographies of Jesus, Gospel 1262 02:01:19.600 --> 02:01:26.319 Matthew, Mark Luke or John. And we have it in images, because, 1263 02:01:26.640 --> 02:01:29.880 of course, it' s a very visual generation. And the first 1264 02:01:29.920 --> 02:01:35.439 thing we do is present Jesus in images. And we have alum of Project 1265 02:01:35.520 --> 02:01:42.279 and there you can see on the website. It is a Smark Project, 1266 02:01:43.119 --> 02:01:49.399 that is, it is a small projector, that very modern, that does 1267 02:01:49.399 --> 02:01:54.159 not need cable, is charged with battery. He doesn' t need sound, 1268 02:01:54.359 --> 02:01:57.840 because he brings his own speaker. You don' t need anything but 1269 02:01:57.920 --> 02:02:02.039 to put it on a table and project it to a wall and you have 1270 02:02:02.039 --> 02:02:05.600 all the gospel Wow. And what today is the biblical text, It is 1271 02:02:08.279 --> 02:02:13.479 not a script is not the chosent film although it is very similar, but 1272 02:02:13.600 --> 02:02:18.840 it is they have made a gospel in images, recreated in the culture of 1273 02:02:18.840 --> 02:02:25.199 Palestine, of that audiovisual. I saw what I saw and it' s 1274 02:02:25.279 --> 02:02:31.720 fine. It doesn' t envy shows in another hour, but the great 1275 02:02:32.319 --> 02:02:36.279 performers And it' s the biblical text, it' s the Bible text, 1276 02:02:36.920 --> 02:02:41.720 the gospel explained as it is, but the dramatized one made in images. 1277 02:02:42.600 --> 02:02:46.720 So we' ve recommended having a group of people, young women. 1278 02:02:47.199 --> 02:02:50.520 I always thought of it as teenagers. I' m going to introduce you 1279 02:02:50.840 --> 02:02:56.800 to Jesus, because since he was born, when he was a child, 1280 02:02:57.039 --> 02:03:02.119 when he was a public person who went to his death, of course, 1281 02:03:02.399 --> 02:03:08.920 and his resurrection in six or seven and more steps, he can be presented 1282 02:03:08.960 --> 02:03:15.880 and we do it with the Bible text in a place in John, in 1283 02:03:15.039 --> 02:03:20.079 scenes of no more than three minutes, two minutes and a half three minutes, 1284 02:03:20.199 --> 02:03:24.199 which is what a teenager will endure. Of course and from there, 1285 02:03:24.399 --> 02:03:30.119 the image gives many riches of dialogue and the person who is there dialogues, 1286 02:03:30.880 --> 02:03:39.239 they talk, they ask, a dynamic is established among them very good. 1287 02:03:39.920 --> 02:03:43.880 After what we do is take them to listen to it instead of seeing it. 1288 02:03:44.039 --> 02:03:46.279 We heard it dramatized, that we also have a team, a party. 1289 02:03:46.880 --> 02:03:51.720 It is that we have mentioned before that you can hear it and then 1290 02:03:51.760 --> 02:03:56.279 what I encourage you to read it, because the idea is to bring you 1291 02:03:56.359 --> 02:04:00.159 to the word, to the text that opens the Bible and read it together, 1292 02:04:01.319 --> 02:04:04.119 the power of the word, effectively and then live it in Community. 1293 02:04:04.520 --> 02:04:12.199 Listen that extreme project is great and we have reports still in the churches of 1294 02:04:12.479 --> 02:04:17.840 ours and others that we are talking about. And it' s great because 1295 02:04:17.840 --> 02:04:27.319 it' s contemporary, it' s practical, it' s more pedagogical 1296 02:04:27.479 --> 02:04:31.760 for the youth mentality, because it simplifies it and, besides, it' 1297 02:04:31.760 --> 02:04:32.079 s very functional and it' s a first- class evangelism tool. I 1298 02:04:32.119 --> 02:04:38.960 mean, this is a free offer that makes sociability. But of course, 1299 02:04:39.239 --> 02:04:44.199 when someone makes a free offer, the correspondence of a church or a group. 1300 02:04:44.560 --> 02:04:50.560 Please make a generous donation to Bible society. I always tell you that 1301 02:04:50.720 --> 02:04:56.880 it is not free for although it is, obviously, because it is a 1302 02:04:57.439 --> 02:05:01.680 very nice project and that it has jumped beyond the young, because there are 1303 02:05:01.760 --> 02:05:06.840 churches that have already incorporated it into the small home groups where you invite perfect 1304 02:05:08.359 --> 02:05:11.239 for groups. Yes, because the image tells you things, yes, yes, 1305 02:05:11.399 --> 02:05:15.479 yes, things and the cost has moved. You just have to tell 1306 02:05:15.600 --> 02:05:19.000 me what you' re doing. WOW. Some people tell me how. 1307 02:05:19.640 --> 02:05:24.680 Yeah, in a month we' re gonna call you to tell us how 1308 02:05:24.760 --> 02:05:28.640 you started, what' s going on, how you' re implementing it. 1309 02:05:30.039 --> 02:05:35.680 And we keep track of the almost eighty- two projects that are already 1310 02:05:35.720 --> 02:05:42.199 in progress or extreme this project and then the biblical society, in addition to 1311 02:05:42.279 --> 02:05:45.880 those that we have mentioned, above all, remember that there is one that 1312 02:05:45.920 --> 02:05:50.279 is crashed the star that is the Uban project, is the project of recectation 1313 02:05:50.439 --> 02:05:55.920 of fonts to invest it in all this, of scriptures, in scriptures. 1314 02:05:57.800 --> 02:06:02.119 Then let us actively collaborate now with God begging and with the deck giving and 1315 02:06:02.199 --> 02:06:08.760 the deck in the benign sense of the word. It is donations to a 1316 02:06:08.920 --> 02:06:13.800 missionary agency, such as the Biblical Society of Spain, which puts the word 1317 02:06:13.960 --> 02:06:19.199 of God at the disposal of the people, of the people of various segments, 1318 02:06:20.439 --> 02:06:24.800 and then sociability also produces. He has many productions of also help, 1319 02:06:25.319 --> 02:06:31.319 support, as well as Bibles and such truth has a lot of things we 1320 02:06:31.880 --> 02:06:38.600 have to offer churches tools that help him to make the word of God visible 1321 02:06:38.640 --> 02:06:44.760 where they are, such as biblical expositions. You can also see it there 1322 02:06:44.840 --> 02:06:50.399 on the website. We have three four exhibitions offering it to the churches to 1323 02:06:50.479 --> 02:06:55.239 make them visible. It' ll be here next week. Here comes San 1324 02:06:55.359 --> 02:07:00.319 Boy an exhibition we call Bible and culture. It is a Bible tour of 1325 02:07:00.439 --> 02:07:04.600 what it tells us, what it is made up of, how the Bible 1326 02:07:04.600 --> 02:07:09.279 has influenced Western culture, music, cinema, painting, sculpture, art, 1327 02:07:09.359 --> 02:07:17.399 language, how the Bible is present in all those areas. And there are 1328 02:07:17.479 --> 02:07:24.039 thirty- six digitized panels, beautiful, eye- catching, and besides, 1329 02:07:24.479 --> 02:07:30.479 we put copies of Bibles, about two hundred copies with Bibles in languages of 1330 02:07:30.479 --> 02:07:34.239 the five continents. And that' s where people end up. To say, 1331 02:07:34.319 --> 02:07:38.119 then, a Bible, a Bible potion. There is only one, 1332 02:07:39.119 --> 02:07:44.359 not many, but it is an exhibition that enriches the congregation, that makes 1333 02:07:44.439 --> 02:07:48.800 it visible in the cultural center or in the place where it is and can 1334 02:07:48.880 --> 02:07:54.720 invite the neighborhood to what is important for us the word of God in all 1335 02:07:54.800 --> 02:07:59.279 formats, there you can see it in many languages, in new formats, 1336 02:07:59.399 --> 02:08:05.079 digital, etcetera, etcetera. There are other exhibitions that also support all that. 1337 02:08:05.600 --> 02:08:11.039 In addition, we are offering Bible science seminars to churches that want to 1338 02:08:11.079 --> 02:08:20.079 acquire more capacity than we talked about at the beginning of proposed translations. We 1339 02:08:20.159 --> 02:08:28.760 also have a channel on YouTube Bible society and have all the free seminars that 1340 02:08:28.279 --> 02:08:35.000 emerged in the pandemic. In the pandemic we sit down and now what do 1341 02:08:35.119 --> 02:08:39.159 we do the subject of the seminaries of the Bible sciences, that practically once 1342 02:08:39.279 --> 02:08:43.479 or twice a month, twice before. This is very interesting of the highest 1343 02:08:43.479 --> 02:08:48.000 level. Yesterday' s was very good. It was him, because it 1344 02:08:48.359 --> 02:08:52.479 ' s the project we' re starting from translation or putting the bible in 1345 02:08:52.600 --> 02:08:56.119 people with neurouniversities. I' ve been listening to this subject. I didn 1346 02:08:56.159 --> 02:09:00.600 ' t hear it coming, but I could compare it. But you can 1347 02:09:00.680 --> 02:09:05.439 ' t see it because it' s there for free or that one. 1348 02:09:05.800 --> 02:09:11.159 The subject as we would think about, for example, autistics, people with 1349 02:09:11.800 --> 02:09:16.920 Asperger and so many others are one, but they have a language difficulty and 1350 02:09:18.840 --> 02:09:26.000 for them they are making texts with specialists, with associations that work with them, 1351 02:09:26.359 --> 02:09:31.279 etc. The project has started which is going to be long and expensive, 1352 02:09:31.520 --> 02:09:37.439 very expensive. Sure, sure, good, or look at the Bible 1353 02:09:37.479 --> 02:09:41.760 society of Spain. We are talking to Gonzalo Soriano, who is the man, 1354 02:09:41.720 --> 02:09:46.720 the man orchestra, because he takes in dance the whole project of promoting 1355 02:09:46.760 --> 02:09:52.119 biblical society. He is the man who explains everything to us in detail, 1356 02:09:52.960 --> 02:09:58.720 who is present at events and, well, with all the human team that 1357 02:09:58.720 --> 02:10:03.000 work. There, then, is our Director General, Luis Fajardo, all 1358 02:10:05.199 --> 02:10:09.880 also the Director of Publications, Juan Triviño, a magnificent worker of one of 1359 02:10:09.960 --> 02:10:18.560 the most brilliant minds on editorial issues in the publishing world in general. And 1360 02:10:18.920 --> 02:10:22.439 then, well, everything, a series of workers who are there at the 1361 02:10:22.720 --> 02:10:30.960 work site so that this job gets where it has to go. Remember one 1362 02:10:31.079 --> 02:10:35.479 Bible a month you can make a contribution project, a monthly duration per person, 1363 02:10:37.359 --> 02:10:39.800 but also as a church, we can make a private one. You 1364 02:10:39.840 --> 02:10:43.079 can make a ten- euro native. A church can make a native fifty 1365 02:10:43.199 --> 02:10:48.840 euros. It' s five bibles, well, it' s five icings 1366 02:10:48.239 --> 02:10:54.399 It' s more than five bibles, but it' s a bigger project 1367 02:10:54.439 --> 02:10:58.359 or twenty or thirty or fifty or one hundred euros. It is making the 1368 02:10:58.439 --> 02:11:03.840 most important missionary of the evangelizing work, which is the Bible in this case, 1369 02:11:03.479 --> 02:11:07.800 available to many and those who cannot easily obtain it with hospital prison projects, 1370 02:11:09.680 --> 02:11:16.199 this operation transits people from different segments and then countries that are in maximum 1371 02:11:16.279 --> 02:11:22.560 economic precariousness and are sent to them free of charge. Obviously, that' 1372 02:11:22.760 --> 02:11:30.000 s one of the objectives, because I think we' re going to leave 1373 02:11:30.000 --> 02:11:31.880 it here, but we' ve given a very wide view. Well, 1374 02:11:31.920 --> 02:11:39.239 it' s not bad and more than you can see on our Org Bible 1375 02:11:41.239 --> 02:11:43.880 Society website and those who are thinking or not going to talk about selling. 1376 02:11:46.119 --> 02:11:50.399 Yes, we also have bibles for sale and in our online shop is all 1377 02:11:50.560 --> 02:11:54.399 bible com very important. In all white you can find all the books in 1378 02:11:54.520 --> 02:12:01.319 the market that I believe exist and, obviously, because you can request them 1379 02:12:01.399 --> 02:12:07.920 there and will reach you home through any of the distributors that work with us 1380 02:12:07.039 --> 02:12:11.760 as a Biblical partner. And then local churches can also enter and so I 1381 02:12:11.960 --> 02:12:16.439 think local churches that have bookstores have a special price. Of course, when 1382 02:12:16.560 --> 02:12:22.760 you enter the whole Bible, there is an eyelash, I think it' 1383 02:12:22.800 --> 02:12:28.199 s called that, it puts missionary editions, you go in there and there, 1384 02:12:28.560 --> 02:12:33.039 you' re going to find new wills, missionary gospels. What that 1385 02:12:33.079 --> 02:12:37.479 means is that they are economical, that they go by volume per box and, 1386 02:12:37.880 --> 02:12:41.520 in addition, if there is a greater interest or a large volume of 1387 02:12:41.680 --> 02:12:45.000 purchases, they can be customized. Yeah, that' s great. Besides, 1388 02:12:45.079 --> 02:12:48.359 they' re very well presented. Those go now the publishers, the 1389 02:12:48.439 --> 02:12:54.560 printers already have very advanced machinery and right now you can make a personalized Bible 1390 02:12:54.600 --> 02:12:58.840 of one at a time And if you want to give him a friend and 1391 02:12:58.920 --> 02:13:03.000 you give him his name and his favorite text, or when he gets baptized 1392 02:13:03.000 --> 02:13:05.680 or when he gets married, everything can be customized and there are some very 1393 02:13:05.680 --> 02:13:09.479 nice Bibles left. That' s good. How nice, Gonzalo Soriano, 1394 02:13:11.239 --> 02:13:18.399 because the coordinator promoter of that of putting, of making visible and updating the 1395 02:13:18.000 --> 02:13:24.119 programs and projects of biblical society. You can also contact him via the RG 1396 02:13:24.159 --> 02:13:28.439 sociabilica page requesting, as he hears your presence, your information and will attend 1397 02:13:30.000 --> 02:13:35.920 you very kindly. Thank you for being here on this traveling train, the 1398 02:13:35.960 --> 02:13:41.920 train of life that travels everywhere, travels everywhere. If we get to better 1399 02:13:41.920 --> 02:13:46.359 means than the train to marte or to jupiter soon, already, thanks to 1400 02:13:48.000 --> 02:14:24.560 Gonzalo and until the next enchanted, why I get tired of waiting, why 1401 02:14:24.680 --> 02:14:35.399 I find it difficult to trust and if you always kept your hand and what 1402 02:14:35.520 --> 02:14:43.119 it would serve to win this whole world be in the end I end up 1403 02:14:43.399 --> 02:14:46.560 away from your side and all this that I have gained will lose its value. 1404 02:14:50.359 --> 02:14:56.479 I' m not going anywhere. Not me or if you don' 1405 02:14:58.279 --> 02:15:07.359 t go with me, why not. 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Ladies and gentlemen, we have arrived at 1434 02:19:52.120 --> 02:19:56.600 the station where there is a direct line to Dr Rockel' s office. 1435 02:19:56.680 --> 02:20:05.959 He' s there with his so- called doctor habitulation, the man' 1436 02:20:07.079 --> 02:20:13.120 s family that helps us on many guidelines. It is not only the medical 1437 02:20:13.120 --> 02:20:18.959 facet, but the psychological and spiritual facet. Also in direct line with Dr 1438 02:20:18.399 --> 02:20:24.280 Rocca. Here, on the train of life, let' s talk today 1439 02:20:24.440 --> 02:20:28.319 about the problem of human pain. Cease, Luis has already talked about this 1440 02:20:28.319 --> 02:20:35.239 problem. Pain is a universal and inevitable mystery that overwhelms and baffles the human 1441 02:20:35.399 --> 02:20:43.239 being in general. More or less anaesthetic formulas are often proposed, passive resignation 1442 02:20:43.360 --> 02:20:48.280 to escapism or nullification of the will, but no case solves the questions that 1443 02:20:48.319 --> 02:20:52.239 every man is asked, every man and every woman, what sense suffering has, 1444 02:20:52.440 --> 02:20:58.680 how painful reality is harmonized with divine goodness. Sometimes one feels with and 1445 02:20:58.680 --> 02:21:07.280 feels that God is nowhere or feels abandoned by God. Well, we' 1446 02:21:07.360 --> 02:21:11.879 ll talk about this and what to do when the disease changes our life and 1447 02:21:11.959 --> 02:21:16.479 that of our family, how to deal with this. Let' s look 1448 02:21:16.600 --> 02:21:20.200 for Dr Roca' s contest, support, and wisdom. This morning he 1449 02:21:20.200 --> 02:21:26.760 wants the train of life hello. Dear, friend, Dr Roca, how 1450 02:21:26.639 --> 02:21:33.360 about hello brought Julio Good- bye, Dr Roca, the good pain. 1451 02:21:33.479 --> 02:21:39.399 Cese, Louis, the famous thinker who was close to being a literary Nobel 1452 02:21:39.479 --> 02:21:46.440 in his time, Oxford professor, this man, this Irishman, who has 1453 02:21:46.520 --> 02:21:50.719 written very interesting books. After being an agnostic, a retamed atheist, he 1454 02:21:52.959 --> 02:21:56.959 wrote the problem of pain. He says pain is like a loudspeaker from God. 1455 02:21:56.799 --> 02:22:01.799 How' s that, how you eat that, well, look. 1456 02:22:03.760 --> 02:22:09.319 Pain is something that accompanies the human being from birth. We are already born 1457 02:22:09.399 --> 02:22:13.959 in our mothers, We are in the world with labor pains, the baby, 1458 02:22:15.559 --> 02:22:20.959 although he cannot express it verbally, but we do know that he has 1459 02:22:20.079 --> 02:22:24.959 great suffering. Today, this is best known for all the technical advances regarding 1460 02:22:26.040 --> 02:22:33.280 the secretion of dorfins substances similar to morphine that the see will segregate in your 1461 02:22:33.360 --> 02:22:37.239 brain so that it is bearable that moment of pain also, unfortunately, many 1462 02:22:39.200 --> 02:22:45.319 times at the end of life we see that pain is there also and especially 1463 02:22:45.399 --> 02:22:50.280 when there are serious diseases that end the life of the patient And throughout life 1464 02:22:50.360 --> 02:22:56.040 has wanted Julio. You know there are very pleasant moments for others with a 1465 02:22:56.159 --> 02:23:03.719 lot of pain and different kinds of pain, which says so many times God 1466 02:23:03.799 --> 02:23:07.760 speaks to us. He does it through nature, he does it through his 1467 02:23:07.879 --> 02:23:13.360 word, he does it through all his revelation and those voices we often silence. 1468 02:23:16.959 --> 02:23:20.959 But God speaks louder when the pain appears. And from there you can 1469 02:23:20.479 --> 02:23:24.680 say that pain is a loudspeaker for God. Not because sometimes God will put 1470 02:23:24.719 --> 02:23:33.000 us up and use the pain to listen to him. It' s a 1471 02:23:33.000 --> 02:23:39.879 paradox. But I really recommend this book by Cese Luis the problem of pain, 1472 02:23:41.799 --> 02:23:48.760 which is really a manifesto, because he tells it from his own experience 1473 02:23:48.280 --> 02:23:54.280 of pain, when his own wife suffered from a cancer that was painful, 1474 02:23:56.000 --> 02:24:05.040 painful in extreme and, moreover, relatively long, and this was a very 1475 02:24:05.120 --> 02:24:11.879 great emotional pain. And from there, in his reaction against divinity, at 1476 02:24:13.040 --> 02:24:18.120 some point, his deep, deep, deep reflection led him to a reunion 1477 02:24:18.120 --> 02:24:24.399 with God and he realized things that are really not easy to discover. Right. 1478 02:24:24.680 --> 02:24:28.479 Yes, the truth is it' s a curious case, because it 1479 02:24:28.639 --> 02:24:31.440 ' s not the most common thing in our experience. Quite the opposite. 1480 02:24:31.879 --> 02:24:37.159 People often deny God in the face of a particular problem of this kind. 1481 02:24:37.479 --> 02:24:41.600 And the question is why me, because now, because my wife, because 1482 02:24:41.719 --> 02:24:48.319 my son and unfortunately, there is no sensible answer that we can give them. 1483 02:24:48.879 --> 02:24:56.200 Yes, but it is an admirable fact that this Louis, in that 1484 02:24:56.319 --> 02:25:01.719 moment of pain, through an internal process, comes to conviction and also to 1485 02:25:01.879 --> 02:25:07.319 the recognition of God. And well, because he to God did, he 1486 02:25:07.440 --> 02:25:13.040 has left a lot of magnificent works and I remember in my days as a 1487 02:25:16.239 --> 02:25:20.719 theology student the letters of the Devil to his nephews, which are very greasy 1488 02:25:20.760 --> 02:25:24.319 pieces and very instructive. But focusing on the subject at hand. And it 1489 02:25:24.399 --> 02:25:31.280 is surprising that someone, through pain, without a previous experience, opens the 1490 02:25:31.360 --> 02:25:35.159 door of faith. Rather it is often the opposite People often deny God. 1491 02:25:35.559 --> 02:25:39.559 He usually denies God many times. This is terrible, but we live like 1492 02:25:39.559 --> 02:25:43.440 this. Now, when we go into pain, it would be, then, 1493 02:25:43.440 --> 02:25:46.440 the center of what we are dealing with, Dear July. We can 1494 02:25:46.479 --> 02:25:52.399 classify pain in different ways. We will perceive it in acute situations, which 1495 02:25:52.520 --> 02:25:56.559 can be of greater or lesser intensity. We all know when we talk about 1496 02:25:58.440 --> 02:26:01.799 what we' re talking about, he didn' t have a migraine, 1497 02:26:01.399 --> 02:26:05.440 he didn' t have a headache, he didn' t have a pain 1498 02:26:05.520 --> 02:26:09.239 in some limb, in a leg in his hand, who didn' t 1499 02:26:09.239 --> 02:26:11.000 hit himself, who didn' t break a bone. And we know what 1500 02:26:11.040 --> 02:26:16.879 a pain we call acute. Acute because it appears quickly and its duration is 1501 02:26:18.040 --> 02:26:22.079 usually limited in the time taken care, that this acute does not mean that 1502 02:26:22.200 --> 02:26:26.319 it cannot be serious. Myocardial infarction is also an acute pain and can have 1503 02:26:26.440 --> 02:26:33.520 terrible consequences. But these acute pains, once they have passed, usually remain 1504 02:26:35.600 --> 02:26:41.239 a memory, a vain memory, I would say to you, for example, 1505 02:26:41.440 --> 02:26:45.799 surely if there are many, there are women who have given birth that 1506 02:26:45.840 --> 02:26:50.600 are listening to us right now, they know the birth pains, but after 1507 02:26:50.680 --> 02:26:54.159 the time and joy they have for having the creature has passed, the birth 1508 02:26:54.239 --> 02:26:58.840 pains are not forgotten, but they are relegated to a corner of the memory. 1509 02:27:00.280 --> 02:27:05.319 That' s a sharp pain that' s probably not going to leave 1510 02:27:05.399 --> 02:27:07.200 great aftereffects on a person' s behavior. However, when he is in 1511 02:27:07.280 --> 02:27:16.799 pain, it is a prolonged, intense, inhuman, heartbreaking, unbearable pain, 1512 02:27:18.639 --> 02:27:24.159 which often requires high- end, high- level medicines to make him 1513 02:27:24.319 --> 02:27:28.920 bearable, to make him controllable. Place the doubt that will leave a mark 1514 02:27:30.239 --> 02:27:35.319 on the human soul. One of the footprints is probably the humiliation of pride. 1515 02:27:35.440 --> 02:27:39.440 You know about human beings, we' re very proud. That is 1516 02:27:39.559 --> 02:27:50.120 a widespread tendency and in the face of such situations of brokenness God can use 1517 02:27:50.319 --> 02:27:54.200 that pain to bring about a change of attitude of the person and indeed so. 1518 02:27:58.000 --> 02:28:01.440 Many times we see changes. There are no people who also live, 1519 02:28:01.879 --> 02:28:07.760 as I would say, making use of those circumstances and become complaining, even 1520 02:28:07.840 --> 02:28:16.680 as they exploit their privileged position within the family and even sometimes observe pyramidal behaviors 1521 02:28:16.840 --> 02:28:22.040 within the family. Based on this experience of pain, which is all centered 1522 02:28:22.200 --> 02:28:28.000 and sometimes physical, it is sometimes neurotic. Sometimes it takes a lot to 1523 02:28:28.239 --> 02:28:33.360 differentiate and many times, then, to do a detailed study of the patient 1524 02:28:33.479 --> 02:28:39.920 to differentiate between the real pain of the body and neurotic pain or mental pain. 1525 02:28:41.719 --> 02:28:45.440 Of course, there are many neurotic circles in a disease. Right. 1526 02:28:46.040 --> 02:28:50.479 Yeah, let' s see, the human being is complex. We are 1527 02:28:50.639 --> 02:28:58.040 not talking about an opening, a simple thing, a basic mechanism. We 1528 02:28:58.159 --> 02:29:03.200 are talking about the coronation, the culmination, the creation of God. We 1529 02:29:03.319 --> 02:29:09.440 are the icing of the cake, to put it graphically. God created beings 1530 02:29:11.040 --> 02:29:15.719 created the world, created things, created living headquarters, animal plants, but 1531 02:29:16.319 --> 02:29:20.079 notice that the last of creation is man. Well, someone can take him 1532 02:29:20.120 --> 02:29:24.319 away to say good is the woman, if she can do the wise best, 1533 02:29:24.879 --> 02:29:28.319 no more perfect, because God somehow, he wanted it that way. 1534 02:29:30.000 --> 02:29:37.360 But certainly there are people who live it from neurosis in July and there is 1535 02:29:37.399 --> 02:29:41.959 a lot of neurotic aspect, also certain diseases cared for. That doesn' 1536 02:29:43.040 --> 02:29:45.440 t mean we don' t have to pay attention to him. On the 1537 02:29:45.559 --> 02:29:50.159 contrary, because sometimes we see people who have them linden. Or they' 1538 02:29:50.280 --> 02:29:54.920 ve gone to the family doctor and been branded neurotic, given an anxiolytic, 1539 02:29:54.120 --> 02:30:00.680 decisive entity and really had a terrible, serious pathology, and it' s 1540 02:30:01.079 --> 02:30:05.600 unfortunate that that happens. Let' s see, it happens. We are 1541 02:30:05.600 --> 02:30:11.479 human, all of us, including doctors and many times, especially in the 1542 02:30:11.479 --> 02:30:15.520 current system is about saturation. I understand that these things can happen. I 1543 02:30:15.760 --> 02:30:18.000 don' t justify them, but I can undertake them. And the truth 1544 02:30:18.040 --> 02:30:26.879 is what to do when illness and especially painful changes our lives and, of 1545 02:30:26.040 --> 02:30:31.479 course, also that of our family. True, how this is dealt with 1546 02:30:31.639 --> 02:30:37.159 is difficult and especially when it is a pain. You know that pain can 1547 02:30:37.280 --> 02:30:43.959 be a prolonged pain, but a disease that is not anticipated to result in 1548 02:30:43.040 --> 02:30:48.559 a fatal outcome. And this is what can be present there years and years 1549 02:30:48.680 --> 02:30:52.719 and years with limitations, sometimes with deformities of the patient' s joints, 1550 02:30:54.280 --> 02:30:58.600 with limitations on mobility, to the state of the soul that is going to 1551 02:30:58.680 --> 02:31:07.799 be greatly affected in these patients. And then there' s the pain in 1552 02:31:07.399 --> 02:31:13.280 extremis that ends up armal and that one already knows that that patient has the 1553 02:31:13.319 --> 02:31:18.520 days numbered and in those cases the doctors. I think it' s a 1554 02:31:18.600 --> 02:31:26.000 good thing we do. It' s the potent painkillers to be patient with 1555 02:31:26.520 --> 02:31:31.639 a quality of life. Sometimes ten days less than life means ten feet less 1556 02:31:31.719 --> 02:31:35.840 pain. We are not in favor of profit, no one thinks this, 1557 02:31:37.239 --> 02:31:41.639 but we are in favour of a human treatment of the patient and of pain. 1558 02:31:43.719 --> 02:31:48.600 We have had cases in which the patient has been found unable to recover 1559 02:31:48.680 --> 02:31:54.040 and then we have chosen prior consent, of course, and many times by 1560 02:31:54.200 --> 02:32:01.319 request to express the patient will be given and good to keep the constancy until 1561 02:32:01.440 --> 02:32:05.040 God takes it, because the pain is something tremendous. In these cases and 1562 02:32:05.280 --> 02:32:11.159 apart, it is a fruitless pain, because life is limited. Of course 1563 02:32:11.319 --> 02:32:16.959 how important it is to at least arm yourself with this thought, this attitude. 1564 02:32:18.840 --> 02:32:22.159 When I was remembering, when the Apostle Peter who speaks much of suffering 1565 02:32:22.319 --> 02:32:26.559 in his first letter, by the way, and addresses those who suffer in 1566 02:32:26.799 --> 02:32:31.239 the whole world because of faith in Christ, he says arm yourselves with this 1567 02:32:31.399 --> 02:32:37.360 same thought, speaking of the sufferings of Christ. Well, then we' 1568 02:32:39.520 --> 02:32:45.520 ll see what it is. It could be a perfect moral for the believer 1569 02:32:45.680 --> 02:32:50.920 who really finds a strength in this Not resignation, because resignation is a drowning 1570 02:32:52.040 --> 02:32:58.280 despair, right. Yes, you see, resignation is a despair to very 1571 02:32:58.159 --> 02:33:05.399 well diverse more today than to God. Thank you, science has come a 1572 02:33:05.399 --> 02:33:07.760 long way. And the truth is that I have to tell you, dear 1573 02:33:07.879 --> 02:33:11.600 Julio, that today, to God thank you, we do not have a 1574 02:33:11.760 --> 02:33:15.760 patient who lives a condition of pain of our society. In others, I 1575 02:33:15.879 --> 02:33:20.120 do not say, but in our society, neither official medicine nor doctors allow 1576 02:33:20.799 --> 02:33:28.760 people to live in extraordinary pain. You even know we have special units, 1577 02:33:30.639 --> 02:33:35.920 specific and specialized in pain treatments. And let' s say, then, 1578 02:33:35.920 --> 02:33:41.520 when you can no longer do anything else humanly to prolong or save the patient 1579 02:33:41.520 --> 02:33:45.600 ' s life. And in this sense, because I consider that an attitude 1580 02:33:45.680 --> 02:33:52.120 to pain is also very positive, because what can we do to deal with 1581 02:33:52.120 --> 02:33:56.200 pain, apart from seeking human help? I believe, Julio, that we 1582 02:33:56.239 --> 02:34:01.079 have to seek human help? When we are not able to find a solution 1583 02:34:01.200 --> 02:34:05.799 for ourselves, which is most of the time. But we also have to 1584 02:34:05.840 --> 02:34:11.159 seek help from another nature, because otherwise discouragement can be catastrophic. Of course, 1585 02:34:11.840 --> 02:34:15.559 spiritual help that is understood, divine help and some say good, but 1586 02:34:15.719 --> 02:34:20.799 this, this, this, how it is eaten as clear, this might 1587 02:34:20.879 --> 02:34:28.360 not be a placebo much less. But when the disease, a chronic and 1588 02:34:28.600 --> 02:34:35.719 also painful or tortuous disease and also for the family, it is very important 1589 02:34:35.799 --> 02:34:41.639 to give some guidelines, as you are doing, so that we have the 1590 02:34:41.719 --> 02:34:45.719 best possible attitude to the disease, which often helps us to overcome. I 1591 02:34:45.760 --> 02:34:50.040 have seen people take a different attitude to illness and arm themselves with an inner 1592 02:34:50.120 --> 02:34:58.680 strength. I would really tell you to superhumanize and deal with the matter in 1593 02:34:58.719 --> 02:35:03.479 an extraordinary way. It' s true. I am also a witness of 1594 02:35:03.639 --> 02:35:09.520 patients who have been in a good state of health or who have gone to 1595 02:35:09.559 --> 02:35:13.600 medical consultations due to banal pathology and who, well, patients who, even 1596 02:35:13.639 --> 02:35:20.840 then, have had calasified like sensitive people, nervous people and at the time 1597 02:35:20.920 --> 02:35:22.840 that they have appeared in a situation of these, in which one thinks to 1598 02:35:22.920 --> 02:35:26.600 flee are patient before a situation of these limits, how they will respond. 1599 02:35:28.360 --> 02:35:33.719 And surprise, tremendous surprise. We have seen a change of attitude, an 1600 02:35:33.840 --> 02:35:39.600 absolutely different paradigm, of behavior in those people who have drawn strength from weakness 1601 02:35:39.639 --> 02:35:45.600 and who have found many of them in God, an extraordinary consolation and I 1602 02:35:45.680 --> 02:35:48.600 am not talking about a resignation, as you said, but of true consolation 1603 02:35:48.680 --> 02:35:54.399 of beveda support, because, in short, we are in this life of 1604 02:35:54.440 --> 02:35:58.719 passage that Julius you already know, we do, we live, we are 1605 02:35:58.879 --> 02:36:01.079 a little lucky, we reproduce ourselves, but we all have an end. 1606 02:36:01.879 --> 02:36:09.559 Yes, exactly, exactly, and that' s where Luis stood when he 1607 02:36:09.680 --> 02:36:13.280 addressed his subjects, the problem of pain, which, by the way, 1608 02:36:13.520 --> 02:36:20.520 is very striking, not that everything I strongly advise this book that he wrote 1609 02:36:20.559 --> 02:36:26.239 it just before the problem with his wife, who died of cancer, because 1610 02:36:26.319 --> 02:36:30.559 he married very much as a major. He married very old and was very 1611 02:36:30.840 --> 02:36:35.399 old and well, of course, he was immensely happy. She was a 1612 02:36:35.479 --> 02:36:41.239 divorced woman she married and practically enjoyed very little of the marriage because she contracted 1613 02:36:41.360 --> 02:36:46.000 this cancer. First they had to stretch a chest and then, at that 1614 02:36:46.120 --> 02:36:54.040 time, surgery was another more invasive thing. And then, evidently, the 1615 02:36:54.200 --> 02:36:56.719 loss with the son, the boy to whom he and lands of gloom, 1616 02:36:56.799 --> 02:37:01.799 which is a film that can still be found in the m that have passed 1617 02:37:01.840 --> 02:37:07.079 it on Spanish television several times describes the history of that moment, of the 1618 02:37:07.159 --> 02:37:13.479 history of Cese Luis, And it is very interesting for people because they will 1619 02:37:13.600 --> 02:37:18.959 also find in this topic an experience with which to identify themselves does appear. 1620 02:37:20.040 --> 02:37:22.760 It' s not a very long book. Julio I don' t remember 1621 02:37:22.760 --> 02:37:26.079 if it reaches 100 pages. I think it doesn' t even come in 1622 02:37:26.079 --> 02:37:31.959 time, yes, I have it here, it has about 150 pages, 1623 02:37:31.959 --> 02:37:35.120 because something else. I thought I remembered that it was less pages. Okay, 1624 02:37:35.200 --> 02:37:37.920 but I' m fifty. It is still a little long book, 1625 02:37:39.120 --> 02:37:43.319 which can be read and it is a book of great benefit, recommended, 1626 02:37:43.719 --> 02:37:46.520 especially recommended for everyone, of course, but especially that people who are hearing 1627 02:37:46.600 --> 02:37:54.159 us and are in that situation of the parity of some physical and acute pain, 1628 02:37:54.200 --> 02:37:58.920 be chronic, be emotional, be spiritual, I think it is a 1629 02:37:58.959 --> 02:38:03.159 book that can help them a lot In this teacher of understanding. Yes, 1630 02:38:03.600 --> 02:38:13.120 the pain of Jesus of Nazareth during his early earthly experience was truncated. Jesus 1631 02:38:13.239 --> 02:38:16.200 was a carpenter, he was the son of Joseph of Mary. His story, 1632 02:38:16.440 --> 02:38:22.239 well, it' s an exceptional story. When he begins his public 1633 02:38:22.520 --> 02:38:28.760 ministry already as a preacher and begins he leaves his carpentry, but suddenly, 1634 02:38:30.159 --> 02:38:37.879 after three and a half years of public ministry, he is stopped by all 1635 02:38:37.520 --> 02:38:43.479 the hostile forces that pursued him because he was who he was and because of 1636 02:38:43.600 --> 02:38:48.399 the charisma he had. And then, but he, before being crucified, 1637 02:38:48.200 --> 02:38:54.719 was killed, he suffers a lot. He suffers a great deal in the 1638 02:38:54.840 --> 02:39:01.440 Getsemani with the torture that inflicts him and, of course, the suffering of 1639 02:39:01.520 --> 02:39:07.920 the cross is inexplicable. Right. If he doubts, although I believe that 1640 02:39:07.959 --> 02:39:11.319 Lord Jesus is not only limited, of course there is also great physical suffering, 1641 02:39:13.000 --> 02:39:18.520 but I believe that there is still a probably greater suffering which is the 1642 02:39:18.639 --> 02:39:24.479 suffering of separation with his father, the situation of abandonment in which he feels 1643 02:39:24.559 --> 02:39:33.000 that moment and that he claims that situation. But physically, no doubt, 1644 02:39:33.159 --> 02:39:37.399 only one has to contemplate the barbarity to which he was subjected. It' 1645 02:39:37.440 --> 02:39:48.680 s something to experience. I' m not much of a person who visualizes 1646 02:39:48.760 --> 02:39:54.120 scenes of violence because I personally feel damaged, they bother me. There are 1647 02:39:54.200 --> 02:39:58.799 films that I never intended to see, not because you see that cruelty of 1648 02:40:00.040 --> 02:40:03.319 the human being, that suffering that is freely inflicted on third parties. But 1649 02:40:03.719 --> 02:40:09.959 I think Net Gibson' s passion is very representative. Yes, breed the 1650 02:40:11.079 --> 02:40:18.159 barbarities. Jesus had to seem really heartbreaking triary I break the soul to whom 1651 02:40:18.280 --> 02:40:26.559 he beholds such barbarities and all that pain, he experienced and, besides notice, 1652 02:40:26.200 --> 02:40:31.120 he remained hung on the cross. It is estimated that for six hours, 1653 02:40:31.479 --> 02:40:35.840 six hours of constant torture, until he died in his own drowning, 1654 02:40:37.079 --> 02:40:45.200 in his own blood, because he was flooded inside of water, as the 1655 02:40:45.280 --> 02:40:48.959 doctors say, so that he could breathe, without being able to pump the 1656 02:40:48.719 --> 02:40:54.719 blood, by the wounds and by the brutal cardiorespiratory clairvoyance that ended his life. 1657 02:40:54.239 --> 02:40:58.079 Something terrible Julio, inexplicable, of course, the pain. That is 1658 02:40:58.200 --> 02:41:03.159 why Louis, when speaking of the problem of pain, who speaks of divine 1659 02:41:03.280 --> 02:41:05.959 omnipotence, divine goodness, human evil, the fall of man, human pain, 1660 02:41:07.040 --> 02:41:11.600 and speaks a lot about pain, speaks about hell and what and about 1661 02:41:11.719 --> 02:41:18.719 heaven and animal pain. By contrast, it is because he was a philosopher 1662 02:41:18.719 --> 02:41:22.799 besides, he was a professor of literature and was a candidate for the Nobel 1663 02:41:22.799 --> 02:41:26.319 Prize in Literature. He was an intellectual like the cup of a town. 1664 02:41:26.319 --> 02:41:30.200 In fact, this was what had taken him away from God until his friend 1665 02:41:30.280 --> 02:41:35.799 Tolkin, the famous author of the Lord of the Rings, who was a 1666 02:41:35.840 --> 02:41:43.639 fervent believer, came close to faith. And then this man, when he 1667 02:41:43.719 --> 02:41:48.600 writes all this in the dilemma of human conflict, of suffering, of pains, 1668 02:41:48.920 --> 02:41:52.319 of all kinds of pains and disappointments and of what the human being is. 1669 02:41:52.840 --> 02:41:58.000 In his fall, he comes through the intricacies of philosophy and has as 1670 02:41:58.239 --> 02:42:03.479 a light and reading of the Bible, which sheds a lot of light on 1671 02:42:03.600 --> 02:42:09.680 him. It comes to an encounter with God and where even in the midst 1672 02:42:09.680 --> 02:42:16.719 of pain, it discovers the goodness of God and the omnipotence of God and 1673 02:42:16.799 --> 02:42:20.639 is an authentic revelation. The truth is, it' s an extraordinary experience. 1674 02:42:22.399 --> 02:42:26.000 The one that is Luis counts in this book and he does a detailed 1675 02:42:26.200 --> 02:42:33.200 study. Let' s also say all that suffering is. But look at 1676 02:42:33.319 --> 02:42:39.319 what motive, that this is a curious thing and what, maybe it' 1677 02:42:39.440 --> 02:42:45.159 s good to reflect on what motive he did this research apart, he did 1678 02:42:45.319 --> 02:42:52.319 it from a person with a high capacity, with a high cultural level of 1679 02:42:52.399 --> 02:42:56.959 knowledge, as he has shown, but he does it motivated by a personal 1680 02:42:56.959 --> 02:43:05.399 problem. There' s a situation that leads to this situation not and you 1681 02:43:05.520 --> 02:43:07.040 know the food tastes better when we' re hungry. True, yes, 1682 02:43:07.239 --> 02:43:13.440 yes, really when human beings realize their need for God and seek Him. 1683 02:43:16.200 --> 02:43:18.600 Well, he always goes, I have no doubt. That' s right. 1684 02:43:18.719 --> 02:43:24.159 God always comes to pass. God always comes to pass. But one 1685 02:43:24.239 --> 02:43:28.399 must have that desire before life, before the circumstance, before the conflict, 1686 02:43:28.639 --> 02:43:35.840 before the pain or sin of seeking God. And when we look for him, 1687 02:43:37.520 --> 02:43:41.600 something wonderful happens. When we found him. That' s the truth. 1688 02:43:41.680 --> 02:43:43.639 Yeah, that' s the truth. Well, I' m not 1689 02:43:43.639 --> 02:43:46.959 clear. If we find him, Julio. I think he meets us, 1690 02:43:46.959 --> 02:43:52.040 he doesn' t find us. I think it' s a more accurate 1691 02:43:52.040 --> 02:43:56.719 definition. He finds us in us. And because, really, because we 1692 02:43:56.120 --> 02:44:00.920 arise the will, faith in the heart of man, God comes to pass. 1693 02:44:01.000 --> 02:44:05.399 We all have our way to Damascus, we all fall off the horse. 1694 02:44:07.239 --> 02:44:11.479 There is a final reality, already because this reflection gives much of itself 1695 02:44:11.600 --> 02:44:16.360 the power of the Cross, the suffering of Jesus and his death definitely, 1696 02:44:16.280 --> 02:44:20.799 and let us no longer speak of his resurrection, which was portentous. But 1697 02:44:20.600 --> 02:44:26.840 all that pain, that suffering, on the Cross. But on the Cross, 1698 02:44:26.120 --> 02:44:33.280 because of that death, there is a fortress. Not only is there 1699 02:44:33.639 --> 02:44:39.799 forgiveness of our sins, there is a liberation, there is a renewal of 1700 02:44:39.799 --> 02:44:45.680 total life, but when we approach that cross, but when we are in 1701 02:44:45.840 --> 02:44:50.040 an eventuality, in a contingency of life, the truth that the Cross, 1702 02:44:50.479 --> 02:44:58.760 the person of Jesus, comforts us, the Holy Spirit encourages us. The 1703 02:44:58.879 --> 02:45:01.959 Cross of Christ is a sort of evaluation of you. Well, it' 1704 02:45:01.959 --> 02:45:07.079 s been our experience in some fragments of our life. True in modest like 1705 02:45:07.120 --> 02:45:13.879 this Julio has been loved, you know well, because no one is excenter 1706 02:45:13.000 --> 02:45:20.399 of suffering and we have not had moments in our lives either, and God 1707 02:45:20.559 --> 02:45:26.000 knows that who will wait for us in a future that will bring us to 1708 02:45:26.120 --> 02:45:33.760 a future where we have experienced the pain, the great physical pain, the 1709 02:45:33.799 --> 02:45:41.159 great emotional pain or the request of loved ones, you have loved loved one 1710 02:45:41.760 --> 02:45:43.399 another with the soul, also situations proper to the own life that has led 1711 02:45:43.399 --> 02:45:50.120 us. And really there dear Julio, the painkiller or the antio depressive, 1712 02:45:50.840 --> 02:45:54.680 serves little, because it is something experiential. Moreover, even I will tell 1713 02:45:54.760 --> 02:46:00.680 you that for me I consider that when a person has a situation a point, 1714 02:46:01.799 --> 02:46:07.399 as if the death of a loved one, there is no situation of 1715 02:46:07.520 --> 02:46:13.799 mourning, of pain, of manifestation. That' s not normal. At 1716 02:46:13.879 --> 02:46:16.600 least it' s not normal. The experience of that person has a tremendous 1717 02:46:16.719 --> 02:46:26.079 blocking of the person who does not experience a break in that situation there is 1718 02:46:26.120 --> 02:46:28.079 a blocking I always when I think about these things. It' s a 1719 02:46:28.079 --> 02:46:31.680 subject that, as a doctor, I' m passionate about. And you 1720 02:46:31.719 --> 02:46:35.559 know that doctors, because one of those great goals is to relieve the pain 1721 02:46:35.600 --> 02:46:39.920 of our fellow men. But I am passionate when I read in the Gospel, 1722 02:46:39.079 --> 02:46:46.079 that passage where Christ before the tomb of his friend, the soul of 1723 02:46:46.239 --> 02:46:50.840 Lazarus and still being in the Lord of life, and even knowing that he 1724 02:46:50.959 --> 02:46:56.239 will resurrect him and even knowing all that he knew that this wept before Lazarus 1725 02:46:56.360 --> 02:47:05.159 ' tomb. The trait of humanity that I would say overflowing is also presented 1726 02:47:05.920 --> 02:47:16.079 by him at that time of pain as he manifests that so human characteristic of 1727 02:47:16.159 --> 02:47:22.200 bursting into weeping at a loss. And this is positive, because it releases 1728 02:47:22.200 --> 02:47:28.440 as well. This moves within the chest energies and frees us from more severe 1729 02:47:28.559 --> 02:47:31.760 sufferings than I do, Julio. That' s right, dear, friend, 1730 02:47:33.120 --> 02:47:39.639 the truth is that it is a broad subject that we could continue to 1731 02:47:39.719 --> 02:47:46.600 address with other fringes and other important aspects, but we have to leave it 1732 02:47:46.799 --> 02:47:54.600 here already knowing that we really have consolation, we have strength in God and 1733 02:47:54.680 --> 02:47:58.000 we also have good resources that are also given to us, to know, 1734 02:47:58.719 --> 02:48:07.559 forming a support network through the family in cases so also help and strengthen the 1735 02:48:07.639 --> 02:48:13.239 patient himself with important medical and psychological assistance and, of course, spiritual, 1736 02:48:13.479 --> 02:48:18.000 this can help to take another attitude of the disease and before the crisis of 1737 02:48:18.360 --> 02:48:24.559 the lasting disease, right, it is good that we do not hide our 1738 02:48:24.600 --> 02:48:28.879 pain, not even emotional pain, but that we share it with family, 1739 02:48:28.040 --> 02:48:31.079 with friends, with professionals, with pastors, with counselors. This is going 1740 02:48:31.200 --> 02:48:35.399 to ease us. But above all, above all, to share that pain, 1741 02:48:35.959 --> 02:48:39.200 that situation with God, who is the great comforted. This is how 1742 02:48:39.239 --> 02:48:45.760 we have proven it over and over again, and those of us who speak 1743 02:48:45.840 --> 02:48:50.440 here can also testify. Dear friend, I send you a very affectionate hug 1744 02:48:50.120 --> 02:48:54.920 and we will speak shortly as well, Dear friend, a very strong hug. 1745 02:48:54.079 --> 02:48:58.120 Thank you, then, for a modest hug even forever. Likewise, 1746 02:49:03.520 --> 02:49:09.280 if you want to visit our website, the wwwww, the train of life 1747 02:49:09.120 --> 02:49:26.440 and the train of just life is used by evangelical churches a place of peace 1748 02:49:26.879 --> 02:49:33.600 and friendship. You can freely attend the nearest evangelical church in your neighborhood or 1749 02:49:33.840 --> 02:49:48.000 your population. 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