WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:04.280 Mac a little tardy to the party. I do believe this surfaced years ago, 2 00:00:04.559 --> 00:00:07.799 but it's new to me, so why not bring it up on the 3 00:00:07.839 --> 00:00:13.400 podcast? Okay at Vegas Issues on at the time Twitter, I believe. 4 00:00:13.519 --> 00:00:19.719 Now it's called x Breaking News News Damp. But they have the betting odds 5 00:00:20.079 --> 00:00:25.519 from the mirage from nineteen ninety five, the summer of ninety five. What 6 00:00:25.800 --> 00:00:30.679 was big that summer? Baseball? No, who shot mister Burns on The 7 00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:36.679 Simpsons? They have the suspects and they have the odds up there, And 8 00:00:37.359 --> 00:00:40.960 I feel like, if I was old enough to bet at the time, 9 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:44.719 if I had this on my app on my phone, I would have lost 10 00:00:44.960 --> 00:00:48.880 tons and tons of money. Yeah, agree to agree there. Now, 11 00:00:49.560 --> 00:00:53.960 I'm trying to recall if I remember this live or if I just remember it 12 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:58.280 on the reruns, because I do remember there's being a substantial episode and a 13 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:00.600 whole thing because it ends as season right and we don't find out to the 14 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:03.680 next season. Correct. Yeah, So I think I do remember this live. 15 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:08.000 We were six maybe at the time. Yeah, I just remember it 16 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:12.640 being so huge and it was a lot of talk and you know, it's 17 00:01:12.719 --> 00:01:18.920 literally odds on the Mirage here. So what an episode, All time great 18 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:22.680 episode, all time great television episode. I remember the summer of ninety five, 19 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:26.760 like at the age of six, asking people what they thought who they 20 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:30.680 thought shot mister Burns, just assuming that everyone watched The Simpsons, and most 21 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:32.439 people did. But a lot of people are just like, what are you 22 00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:36.079 talking about. I was probably busy smashing my ankle with a skip it back 23 00:01:36.120 --> 00:01:38.680 in ninety five. I think it was a pre Razor scooter. But yeah, 24 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:42.599 big, big skipp it summer back in ninety five. So on the 25 00:01:42.599 --> 00:01:46.280 board, Homer was at two to one, Whalen Smithers five to two, 26 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:51.599 Krusty the Clown three to one, Bart four to one. Someone that jumps 27 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:53.200 out to me a little bit of juice and I feel like I would have 28 00:01:53.239 --> 00:02:00.480 put money on this one is Grandpa Abe Simpson at ten to one. He's 29 00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:04.439 enough of a well known character, but he's someone like, say, if 30 00:02:04.439 --> 00:02:07.519 he did do it, you could write him off. Dude. I'm stunned 31 00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:10.000 that Maggie's even an option down there at seventy to one. Credit to them 32 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:14.560 for for even putting her on there. I mean, the top two is 33 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:16.840 the two that most people thought it was. I mean, Whalen made the 34 00:02:16.840 --> 00:02:20.919 most sense. I don't think Homer could have done it. It's like story 35 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:24.080 wise, Homer shooting his boss or Homer shooting someone in general is a bad 36 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:29.479 way to go for your main character. Yes, but also disgruntled worker like 37 00:02:29.639 --> 00:02:30.800 you could have said, he's such an idiot. He could have been an 38 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:36.240 accident in the way ended up being an accident. So yeah, Barney's are 39 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:38.240 drunk. That's another option. I'll also say that at seven to one, 40 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:43.560 Hans Moleman being on the board might have been there to throw people off. 41 00:02:44.120 --> 00:02:46.960 Yeah right, yeah, yeah, I do think they got the top two. 42 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:49.919 Though I would have bet on Homer or Whalen. If I was a 43 00:02:49.960 --> 00:02:52.400 betting man. At two to one, you wouldn't have bet on Homer. 44 00:02:52.439 --> 00:02:54.840 Not enough juice, I know you like that squeeze. You like that squeeze 45 00:02:54.919 --> 00:02:59.360 two hundred. You wouldn't have bet one hundred dollars on Homer shooting mister Burros. 46 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:02.479 No, jes Let's let's say you get one hundred bucks two bet. 47 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:07.280 Yes, I'm probably putting like fifty on Homer, maybe twenty five on Smithers, 48 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:12.159 and then like five five dollars bets elsewhere. I would have sprinkled. 49 00:03:12.199 --> 00:03:15.919 I think the most on Grandpa. I think that makes the most sense to 50 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:21.240 me. Okay, maybe Principal Skinner two. Principal Skinner's are a bad one. 51 00:03:21.520 --> 00:03:23.919 Yep, Sideshow Mel, you never know, wild card. Okay, 52 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:38.719 that's a good start for us. One good three, yeah, jobs three, 53 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:52.840 King of Queen Mel Street and I'm Man and we are the Mac and 54 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:58.199 Goo Program. We are here to talk about the Boys. We hate world. 55 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:02.319 Let's talk about about world. We are here today to talk about father 56 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:09.280 issues, everlasting father issues that play up in this show every single episode in 57 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:13.479 all four seasons. Today it's The Boys season four. Doo. This is 58 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:16.120 a Prime video show, and I think I'm trying to think if there was 59 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:20.759 a show before this that really legitimized Prime. If there was one, it's 60 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:24.519 not coming to mind. But Season one of the Boys was twenty nineteen. 61 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:26.920 I think that was the first time I was like, oh need Prime. 62 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:30.120 Well maybe for us, Yeah, yeah, I'm sure there was before then, 63 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:32.800 but maybe maybe not. I don't know. Handmaid's Tale is that on 64 00:04:32.839 --> 00:04:36.000 Prime? That was Hulu? Okay, well there you go. That went 65 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:42.120 out the window. This is a TVMA action comedy and crime show. But 66 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:46.680 really it's a comic book show. Eight episodes approximately an hour each, so 67 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:49.040 we get close to eight hours of content here. And it's been pretty much 68 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:55.279 like that four seasons strong. So we are roughly thirty two hours into this 69 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:57.839 story, give or take. It might be a little less than that with 70 00:04:57.879 --> 00:05:02.759 credits and whatnot. We got one season left that's been announced on Roddy Tea's 71 00:05:02.839 --> 00:05:08.360 goode ninety three percent from the critics, seventy six percent from the audience. 72 00:05:08.600 --> 00:05:11.000 Now you might be like, oh, that audience score is a little low. 73 00:05:11.480 --> 00:05:14.319 Actually one percent higher than season three. What do you think about that? 74 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:17.079 I think season three, if we're gonna talk about it, might be 75 00:05:17.319 --> 00:05:23.000 their best season. Like to me, season three was easily the best season. 76 00:05:23.079 --> 00:05:25.800 Now, the first two were very good. I'll say I would take 77 00:05:25.839 --> 00:05:29.040 season one, probably because I like new things, and at the time it 78 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:31.560 was new, it was fresh, and by season three it I think it 79 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:34.720 got better. But if I'm gonna take one, it would be one. 80 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:39.040 Okay, Well, your dog scores say otherwise did oh can you? Yeah? 81 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:41.920 What do you have for the for the research? Well we'll get to 82 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:46.240 that in a few Okay, So season one roddy t is eighty five percent 83 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:49.279 ninety one percent, Season two ninety seven percent, eighty four percent, Season 84 00:05:49.319 --> 00:05:53.879 three ninety eight percent, seventy five percent. So the audience is less liking 85 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:57.120 it less and less. I bet it's the audience that they're constantly making fun 86 00:05:57.160 --> 00:05:59.959 of that is liking it less than I think just in general, the audience 87 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:03.199 is also a little bit sick of all the political stuff. Yeah, it 88 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:08.879 just to me because it is set in a world where they are trying to 89 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:13.160 pretend what would happen if Soups were in a real world. I still think 90 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:16.360 it's very accurate as I look, I still really enjoy it, but I 91 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:20.040 will say that as we've gone further on, it has gotten more on the 92 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:26.800 nose fair enough gou on Metacritic a seventy six. That compares to season one 93 00:06:26.879 --> 00:06:30.199 of seventy four, Season two and eighty. So the critics are liking season 94 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:33.319 two the most, Season three or seventy seven, but roughly all in the 95 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:36.560 same tier. Yeah, and I would agree with that. I think I 96 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:42.360 think this season may be the lowest of the four, but I do agree 97 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:46.199 they're all roughly in the same tier, give or take. This show is 98 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:50.759 created by Eric Kripkey, who you would have known prior to this for Supernatural. 99 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:56.240 He was the creator of Supernatural, did I think all fucking three hundred 100 00:06:56.279 --> 00:06:59.199 and seventy six episodes of that whatever it is. He's also the creator on 101 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:01.680 gen V, the show that we saw between season three and season four of 102 00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:06.279 the Boys. And it is important to note that GENV is essentially season three 103 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:11.879 point five of The Boys because a lot of the plot that happens there carries 104 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:15.839 into this season, and season two of gen V will come out between seasons 105 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:18.560 four and five of here. And also they're gonna deal with the ramifications of 106 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:23.560 what happened in season four in that show. Yep. So if you haven't 107 00:07:23.560 --> 00:07:27.519 seen GENV, you really should go watch that right now. And of course, 108 00:07:27.560 --> 00:07:30.279 Seth Rogan and Evan Goldberger executive producers on this show. I think they're 109 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:35.040 actually credited as creators on GENV. And this whole series is based on the 110 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:39.759 comics by Garth Ennis, who's a pretty popular writer. I don't know if 111 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:43.279 this is the one that made him popular or not, but pretty popular. 112 00:07:43.399 --> 00:07:46.560 Synopsis pretty simple. Here, gu a group of vigilantes set out to take 113 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:51.079 down corrupt superheroes who abuse their superpowers. I have a bone to pick just 114 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:54.600 in general, and we've talked about it a little bit before, pick that 115 00:07:54.680 --> 00:07:58.079 bone. These series don't come up with new synopsis for you. No, 116 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:00.879 you get one in that same baby. We're not changing it. We're not 117 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:03.560 changing it. That's annoying. Give me, give me a little kick it 118 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:07.000 up a little bit. Zach and his friends hang out in Miss Bliss's class. 119 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:11.639 All right, bear with me here. This show stars Kyle Arabin as 120 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:16.759 Billy Butcher. Alright, I'll jan kill me back out. Jack Quaid is 121 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:22.399 Huey Campbell. Anthony stars Omlanda. Aaron Moriarty is Annie January aka Starlight. 122 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:28.040 She's more Annie this season than anything. Jesse t Usher has a trained Laza. 123 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:31.080 Lonzo is Mother's Milk. Chase Crawford is the Deep Tomer Capone as Frenchy. 124 00:08:31.440 --> 00:08:35.639 Karen fukuharas Kimmico. Nathan Mitchell is Black Noir. We actually see his 125 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:39.519 face in this season, which is fun. Kobe Minifie as Ashley Barrett maybe 126 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:43.240 the most underrated character on the show. Camon Cravetti is Ryan, a more 127 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:48.679 expanded role in this season. Claudia Dumott as Victoria Newman. That is Huey 128 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:52.159 Campbell's real life girlfriend. I just found that a couple of weeks ago, 129 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:54.600 Jack Quaid's real life girlfriend. It's not Huey's real life girlfriend. All right, 130 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:58.960 yeah, there you go. Yeah, Jim Beaver as President Robert Singer. 131 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:03.120 Could we get a few returning characters here? Uh? Chantel Van Satin 132 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:11.759 as Becker Butcher now say it right, Uh, she is essentially Hughey's good 133 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:18.720 conscience, no Butcher. So she's the angel on Butcher's shoulder, not Butcher 134 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:22.879 Butcher's shoulder, and the devil we'll get to in a second. Simon peg 135 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:26.679 Pox pops back up as Hughey's father, Just Hugh regular Hugh no e, 136 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:31.200 Hugh Campbell. John carl Esposito pops back up as Stan Edgar. Here's a 137 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:35.639 little bit of a spoiler, but you've probably seen him. Yeah. Uh, 138 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:39.600 presumably he'll be playing a part in season five. And then we get 139 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:43.039 some new additions here. Uh. Some played major roles, some played minor 140 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:48.080 roles. Susan Hayward as Sister Sage. I thought she was fantastic. H 141 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:54.799 Valerie Curry as Firecracker, probably a less meaningful character, but she did a 142 00:09:54.799 --> 00:10:00.960 great job. Also super into her look Jeffrey Dean Morgan, Joe Kessler, 143 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:05.480 Rosemary DeWitt as Daphne Campbell. That's Hughey's mother. Dan Musseau is web Weaver. 144 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:09.519 They've been teaching web Weaver for a couple of seasons. He pops up. 145 00:10:09.519 --> 00:10:13.399 Finally, was the payoff on web Weaver. Good enough, one good 146 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:18.080 scene? Probably not no, probably not now. Will Ferrow cameos in this 147 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:22.159 in a couple episodes as Coach Brink and a fictional A train movie Killed Me, 148 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:24.840 Killbly a couple of times he popped up, and then good. We 149 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:28.399 get three characters from Jen v Here who we hadn't seen before in The Boys. 150 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:33.639 That's Derek Wilson has Tech Knight, who was essentially this universe's retired batman. 151 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:41.240 Matty Phillips is Kate Dunlap, who has powers of mental manipulation. Yeah, 152 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:43.440 she touches you, she can make you do what she wants. And 153 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:48.279 then Asa Jerman as Sam Riordan or Reardan. He essentially is like invulnerable and 154 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:52.200 super strong. Kind of reminds me a bit of Black Noir if you're looking 155 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:56.799 for comparison, right, But they don't touch upon any of his like mental 156 00:10:56.840 --> 00:10:58.159 stuff in this, though, right, No, No, that Kate and 157 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:01.919 Sam are just out after thoughts h in the season. I actually I wish 158 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:05.039 they played a bigger role in what we saw. Yeah, so I'm mact 159 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:09.879 just on the whole before we get into our nonagon or our deca gone, 160 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:13.399 whatever we have here. Uh, what did you think of the season? 161 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:20.240 I thought this season was good, but again weighing it up against the bar 162 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:22.679 that The Boys has set, which to me is the best show on television, 163 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:28.360 I think it fell short of expectations, however, and I did go 164 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:31.480 back and listen to a bit of our seasons one, two and three episodes 165 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:35.600 just to kind of refresh or what we were saying. How was I? 166 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:37.639 How was I on the show? How would you grade me? You're great? 167 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:43.080 Great man? Thank you. I sort of forgot that seasons one and 168 00:11:43.159 --> 00:11:46.600 two essentially just set up what happened in season three, and I think that's 169 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:50.000 why season three was so great. The end of season two was a bit 170 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:54.120 of a letdown, and we talked about that. We voiced that Season one 171 00:11:54.200 --> 00:11:56.919 of course, was you know, just getting the ball out in the fairway 172 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:01.360 and playing it from there. Yeah, but the binally on season one was 173 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:05.399 great though, Yes, for sure, the bookends of season one was great. 174 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:09.039 The in betweens on season two were great. Season three was just great 175 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:13.600 as a whole. Although I will my biggest gripe with season three was that 176 00:12:15.279 --> 00:12:18.399 really nothing of consequence happens is at the end. As great as that final 177 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:24.799 episode was, Everyone's still Alive, your biggest gripe was basically how topical it 178 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:28.399 was getting. So I understand why you're a little more probably annoyed with season 179 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:31.720 four than or with that. I'm not even annoyed. I'm just like, 180 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:35.480 Okay, I see this stuff, and now we're just making similar jokes to 181 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:41.000 what we're already getting everywhere else, because every comedy show, every poly charged 182 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:45.159 comedy show, tells the same jokes over and over again. Yeah, that's 183 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:48.159 fair. That's a fair criticism, dude. My biggest gripe with the season, 184 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:52.120 and I'll expound upon this a bit when we talk dog scores is going 185 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:58.320 into this season, Homelander had won every season. The boys really hadn't won 186 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:03.200 anything. Put small Den into them here and there, and so we know 187 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:05.960 essentially coming into the season there's two seasons left. Well, Homelander is probably 188 00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:09.000 not gonna lose this season either, right, because ultimately that's the endgame, 189 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:13.720 and so you kind of know what's gonna happen at the end of the season. 190 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:18.159 And so that in mind is a little frustrating because the season drags a 191 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:22.759 little bit and we don't get the same punches or the punch ups that we 192 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:26.639 do in the prior couple seasons. And on top of that, it sort 193 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:30.120 of got telegraphed by the end of season three, at least in my mind, 194 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:35.399 you didn't agree at least back then that Ryan is ultimately Homelanders end game 195 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:39.279 here. And so again knowing that you knew very early on in season four 196 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:43.000 that they're probably just kicking the can down the road, and I kind of 197 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:48.159 feel that's like exactly what happened. So I think the reason why I come 198 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:52.039 away from season four lower than most seasons. Keep in mind right now, 199 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:54.000 when we're both gonna say this, The Boys is better than most things on 200 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:58.840 television, Yeah, easily. I think the issue that I have is that 201 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:03.120 this felt more like half a season, like we never got that conclusion to 202 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:05.759 the end, where like the end of season one and the end of season 203 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:11.559 three have those amazing finales and you come away so satisfied. Yeah, this 204 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:16.840 one. You don't get that, and even the cliffhanger with it isn't that 205 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:20.639 great of a cliffhanger. I totally agree. I do think that if season 206 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:26.200 four is as great as it can be, we will probably ignore this going 207 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:28.720 in like two years, right, we'll be like, Okay, it's season 208 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:31.320 five. Yeah, we'll probably be like, you know what, it's set 209 00:14:31.399 --> 00:14:37.120 up at everything in season five it was necessary, but currently we can't put 210 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:39.679 all that much faith into how it's gonna end, and so we have to 211 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:43.200 criticize it for that also, And I think you just might have said this, 212 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:48.240 I wasn't paying attention to you, but the pacing was definitely off this 213 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:50.480 season, where like, even at the beginning, it felt like it was 214 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:54.639 going a bit fast, and then at the midway point it just kind of 215 00:14:54.720 --> 00:15:00.720 stopped and then slogged its way through the last couple episodes, But then the 216 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:05.240 finale felt rushed, it was a little klucky, and I've ultimately felt like 217 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:09.480 we wasted a lot of time. Now, they're good characters and I know 218 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:15.759 they are meaningful to this show. I just do not care about Frenchy's past, 219 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:18.799 and I just do not care about Kimmiko's past. And we spent like 220 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:24.679 two full episodes on those two and I like, we're so deep into this 221 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:28.759 again, thirty two hours into this story, I felt like, if you 222 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:31.279 were gonna do that, give us that last season two seasons ago, I 223 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:35.039 just didn't want it in this sear And you just mentioned those two characters. 224 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:39.120 Even last season we got that great dance scene between them. Like in the 225 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:45.360 past seasons, we've gotten big standout scenes. I'm not sure if this one 226 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:48.559 gave us that big pants tense scene. No, we got we got some 227 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:54.799 borderlines, but there's there's not the one where you're like gonna go rewatch it 228 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:58.559 on YouTube type of things. But also like the standout scenes from this season, 229 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:03.639 like you might think it's like the stuff from episode two with like them 230 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:06.840 fighting the big or like the naked guy, like the bunch of naked guys, 231 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:08.519 but you're not gonna go back and watch the naked guy seeing a bunch. 232 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:11.879 I mean you you will, but I mean, like, yeah, 233 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:17.120 no, it just it just it just it definitely lacked that major pants tent. 234 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:22.559 But some of it, though admittedly is because we're so deep into crazy 235 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:26.039 shit that's happened on the show. We're not as shocked by what happens. 236 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:30.000 You know, I don't think I was shocked by anything, and maybe something 237 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:33.600 in the finale, but then I'm like, or is this something else? 238 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:36.840 Oh, it's just this type of yeah, And that's why, like season 239 00:16:36.879 --> 00:16:38.799 one, maybe on a rewatch, we would like this more than season one, 240 00:16:38.840 --> 00:16:41.440 but at the time, it was all brand new to us and it 241 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:45.159 was more shocking. And so that's why season one is. Nothing on this 242 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:51.159 show will ever touch Popclaw. I think that was season two. That was 243 00:16:51.200 --> 00:16:53.000 season one. Okay, yeah, that was pretty amazing that that was the 244 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:56.399 best thing maybe I've ever seen. Yeah, pretty incredible, And then you 245 00:16:56.399 --> 00:17:00.320 start to fear for yourself, like what if that happens to me? Wait, 246 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:02.720 this is realistic, But then you say, if it happens to me, 247 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:08.079 that's not a bad way to go out. Shall we do our however 248 00:17:08.119 --> 00:17:11.640 many things we have, think we get an agone nonagone right now. Fun 249 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:18.240 factor Following Homelander through his ups and downs, twists and turns is my favorite 250 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:22.920 stuff on TV. And I think it was episode five or episode six where 251 00:17:22.920 --> 00:17:29.319 we had him going back to his old stomping grounds, and that one episode 252 00:17:29.359 --> 00:17:33.799 with him was just like, I'm not sure if it's scarier when it's him 253 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:40.119 unhinged or it's him calculated, because when he's calculated, he's a fucking psychopath. 254 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:45.519 Yeah, I tend to agree with you here. We're a predominant amount 255 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:51.880 of the fun or the fun predominantly becomes from Homelander doing crazy shit. That's 256 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:56.000 what most of the fun, especially in this season, came from. I 257 00:17:56.039 --> 00:17:59.400 will say I think a lot of Ashley's scenes are fun. Ok, he 258 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:03.400 plays like a really fun character. In the conversation she has are pretty funny. 259 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:07.720 And I actually feel like a train kind of making a turn this season 260 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:10.400 that there was some fund shit going on in there as well. Oh you 261 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:15.880 know what, Actually what the funnest addition that we hadn't seen before this year 262 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:19.799 was Black Noir's character. The actor hired to play a Black Noir. Yeah, 263 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:25.440 it's actually a suit, but him like talking to through trying to figure 264 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:30.519 out who his character should be and whose character is was very funny. Satisfactor. 265 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:34.359 We need season five because they knew that this was gonna lead into season 266 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:38.440 five. I'm not sure how satisfied I was with this season. Yeah, 267 00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:42.079 I would say by the end, I don't think I would just let down 268 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:48.759 because again I sort of expected the ending we were gonna get, or not 269 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:52.359 exactly what happened, but I expected the can being kicked. I do think 270 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:57.720 this was this lacked satisfactor for sure. I mean it's just the stuff that 271 00:18:57.960 --> 00:19:00.240 they thought was like, oh, this will get a rise out of the 272 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:04.759 audience. Yeah, it just didn't didn't quite hit. It just didn't do. 273 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:11.240 It bore omitter. I definitely felt some bore this season, and I 274 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:15.599 definitely think it's more than prior seasons. Yeah. Again, I'll point out 275 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:19.839 the Kimmicko Frenchie stuff. It's just that's boring to me. I'm not invested 276 00:19:19.880 --> 00:19:22.240 in it at all. I'm just not. I'm sorry, right, But 277 00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:27.319 I also love her action scenes, yeah for sure. The emotional scenes from 278 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:30.519 her past and both with Frenchy just don't hit for me. A quator. 279 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:34.720 Yes, it's still better than Aquaman and still better than most things on television. 280 00:19:34.839 --> 00:19:40.160 Yes, we are not putting this show down. We do not hate 281 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:42.039 this show. We do not dislike this show. We like it a lot. 282 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:47.400 Totally agree Halloween. Will this wane over time for us? We need 283 00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:52.640 season five to decide that. Yeah, it could go either way in that 284 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:56.559 if season five doesn't stick the landing, this will look for worse. If 285 00:19:56.559 --> 00:19:59.359 it does, this will look better. It all depends on season five. 286 00:19:59.720 --> 00:20:03.599 Wh life gives you plemings, you make plemonade and Mac, I need to 287 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:08.519 ask you who made plemonade on this show? And are we allowed to give 288 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:12.319 it to Anthony Starr? Yeah? I think so because is it too obvious? 289 00:20:12.799 --> 00:20:18.119 It's obvious, But also he's not really the main character, like it's 290 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:22.839 still Hueye. Well, it's definitely shifted more towards him being the main character. 291 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:25.839 Yeah, it has come. It's sort of a three way right now 292 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:29.599 between Butcher, Huey, and Homelander. Right those see him like the three 293 00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:33.160 main players, and there's a little bit of a tug of war going on 294 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:36.440 for for the screen time. But like, other than that, I don't 295 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:41.000 like the Deep has some funny scenes and he's he's trace cowfor Crawford is very 296 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:44.359 good. I don't know if he steals scenes though, like Black Noir, 297 00:20:44.440 --> 00:20:47.319 maybe stole a scene or two. Yeah, Like he was very funny. 298 00:20:47.799 --> 00:20:49.480 Like the new additions, I don't know if you would give them play like 299 00:20:49.480 --> 00:20:55.240 maybe Sage. Sage was pretty great, but I think I think Anthony Starr's 300 00:20:55.240 --> 00:20:59.279 Homelander is just so overwhelmingly good and fun. You have to say him because 301 00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:02.200 also he was the only character that when he was on the screen, I 302 00:21:02.359 --> 00:21:06.799 made sure that I was paying attention for sure. For sure, Max credit 303 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:10.160 Union, you're gonna give credit to those other people you just mentioned. I 304 00:21:10.279 --> 00:21:12.079 yeah, you want to flip flop these doesn't matter to me. What I 305 00:21:12.160 --> 00:21:18.000 just said there maybe applies to here as well. Pants Tent City, Excite 306 00:21:18.039 --> 00:21:22.680 bike Mania, what got you going on this show? And like I said, 307 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:26.720 I did like the naked fight scene and see An episode two because that 308 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:30.079 was at least something a little bit different. I don't think any of the 309 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:36.519 other fight scenes really stand out to me though on this season here. Yeah, 310 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:41.200 you know, the souped up farm animals was like, okay, okay, 311 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:44.279 that at least pops into my brain. Yeah. Yeah. The major 312 00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:48.960 thing that happens in the finale was surprising. But was it a pants tent 313 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:52.440 really? And we'll talk about that in one second with the spoilers. Yeah, 314 00:21:52.519 --> 00:21:56.640 yeah, so I think it does lack a bona fide standout. For 315 00:21:56.680 --> 00:21:59.759 those of you tardy to the Mac and Goop party, we rate everything on 316 00:21:59.799 --> 00:22:03.880 a forty hot Dog Rating system MAC. I got some pros and cons here 317 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:08.319 for you. The biggest pro, simple enough, is Homelander. And like 318 00:22:08.359 --> 00:22:14.519 I just said, whether he's calculated, whether he's unhinged. I think the 319 00:22:14.599 --> 00:22:18.599 calculated stuff where he it's the jaw, Like when he's just sitting back and 320 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:21.839 thinking and the jaw starts to move, You're like, something good's about to 321 00:22:21.880 --> 00:22:25.799 happen here. Butcher is still great. I love Comico, Hughie. I 322 00:22:25.880 --> 00:22:29.279 thought was very good in this season. The stuff with his dad, that 323 00:22:29.400 --> 00:22:32.039 was a great episode. You know what. I didn't cry in that episode, 324 00:22:32.039 --> 00:22:34.680 though, So did it do something wrong? I don't love Simon Peg 325 00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:37.839 in that role anyways, So no, but you know that father son stuff 326 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:41.759 always gets to me. Yeah, true it did. No. I thought 327 00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:44.559 it was a good episode. I just it didn't pull any tears. It 328 00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:45.839 didn't, it did, I will say by the end of it, I 329 00:22:47.480 --> 00:22:52.000 was the emotions were high, but it wasn't. I just they didn't establish 330 00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:56.279 Simon Peg enough for anyone to really, you know, cry in that moment. 331 00:22:56.599 --> 00:23:00.640 I do like how with the main characters the show, Homelander, Butcher, 332 00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:04.720 Starlight and then you know, looking at the politics of it all, 333 00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:11.400 they give you the dual sides to each character and each story, and how 334 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:15.960 each side has a different story to it. But at the end they reveal 335 00:23:17.119 --> 00:23:22.880 that everyone and everything just sucks, yet everyone thinks that, you know what 336 00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:25.880 they've gone through, they did the right thing. Everyone's a bad guy, 337 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:29.480 everyone's selfish, but everyone thinks they're the good guy in their own story. 338 00:23:30.279 --> 00:23:33.599 And I do like how they do get to that with everything on the show. 339 00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:37.000 And let's see if they keep going with that season five or if that's 340 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:38.720 going to be cut off now as like a season four thing, because it 341 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:42.400 does seem like they might have moved past that. You got a couple gufaws, 342 00:23:44.440 --> 00:23:48.400 but not as many as in the past. Yeah, oh gooz cons. 343 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:53.200 This felt sloggy at points, but it also felt rushed at other points, 344 00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:56.960 and also at other times it felt like it was just running in place. 345 00:23:57.200 --> 00:24:02.279 It was a boat with one like my fantasy baseball team, just going 346 00:24:02.319 --> 00:24:06.759 in circles, not knowing, not knowing how to how to fix their roster. 347 00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:11.160 Big treadmill factor. Yes. Also the action gore and some of the 348 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:17.880 characters felt a little Sameseias as past years, So nothing truly new with a 349 00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:21.559 lot of this. I got this. This is tough, but I'm gonna 350 00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:25.759 say thirty two hot dogs. Ooh okay, and for some context there, 351 00:24:25.960 --> 00:24:29.200 Yeah, give the people some context. Hurry up. You had season one 352 00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:32.839 at thirty eight, ye, season two at thirty seven, season three at 353 00:24:32.920 --> 00:24:37.119 thirty nine. We both were close to forty on season three. So that's 354 00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:40.240 an average of thirty eight on the first three. And you give this one 355 00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:45.000 of thirty two's said thirty two. And I might be I might be too 356 00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:48.440 high on it because I still do love these characters, and I think that 357 00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:52.160 Homelander really does pull it along. Okay, I actually feel you, like 358 00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:56.559 be a little too low. Oh that one again, This is like how 359 00:24:56.599 --> 00:25:02.160 I said that with the high pitched voice and it's low. I have a 360 00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:07.559 tremendous issue going forward that I sort of figured was gonna happen again. Homelander 361 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:12.319 won the first three seasons. Spoiler, he wins this fucking season. We 362 00:25:12.400 --> 00:25:18.039 have one season left. We have one season left, and we know Homelander 363 00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:22.200 is not going to win that. So that's a little defeating as a viewer 364 00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:26.680 knowing that, all right, I know somewhat what's gonna happen at the end 365 00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:29.920 of it, and in the midst of season three, and by the end 366 00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:34.680 of season three, I was pretty sure Ryan was gonna be Homelanders undoing, 367 00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:40.440 and now I'm like more sure of that, you know. So the ending 368 00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:45.000 of this series feels a bit telegraphed, and that's without even getting into spoilers. 369 00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:48.799 So like, with that in mind and watching the season with that in 370 00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:52.400 mind, I really felt like, Yep, we're just kicking the can down 371 00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:57.680 the road, and that's it's hard to not feel that way. And coming 372 00:25:57.720 --> 00:26:03.759 off a fantastical end of season three, but again, none of our main 373 00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:07.160 cast dying was also a little cheap, so we don't lose anyone there, 374 00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:11.240 so they I'm kind of undercut the fantastic ending there. Yeah, we really 375 00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:15.480 needed something consequential in this season, and I think we do get it in 376 00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:18.599 the finale. Going again, we'll talk about that in a couple of minutes. 377 00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:22.039 But do we like that that? I don't know. I want to 378 00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:23.839 throw a scenario at you in a second, but go ahead, okay, 379 00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:27.440 all right. So ultimately the season does feel a little lazy. It was 380 00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:32.319 still enjoyable for me on a week to week watch. The topical stuff doesn't 381 00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:34.039 bother me. In the slightest, because I do still feel like that's actually 382 00:26:34.039 --> 00:26:38.640 accurate. However, our main cast of characters are essentially all in the ex 383 00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:45.759 same exact spots as they were one season ago. Ryan. Ryan's the only 384 00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:49.880 character that has had like a substantial move from last season to this season. 385 00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:56.720 So season five better be the best season because I had that damn kid gets 386 00:26:56.759 --> 00:27:02.240 a crew cut. Otherwise I I question whether this journey would have been worth 387 00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:04.480 it all. But that said, I got this like a bea. It's 388 00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:07.880 thirty four hot dogs. It's still really really enjoyable. Yeah, it does 389 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:12.039 get hurt by weighing against its prior seasons, but still a very good show. 390 00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:15.000 I would almost argue that it's helped by its prior seasons, because I'm 391 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:18.039 gonna give it the benefit of the doubt. Okay, I would argue hurt 392 00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:22.319 because if this shit happened in season one, you'd be more blown away by 393 00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:26.359 glass half full. I'm pointing at myself for those of all, Are you 394 00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:30.559 sure, yes, that's how that works. Head over to social media and 395 00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:34.759 tell us which of the two has a nice half glass of milk. I 396 00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:37.839 guess we both do actually hold up, but which one is full? And 397 00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:41.759 which one is empty, but it's the same amount of milk. Maybe you 398 00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:45.599 have because you have a child. Would you how much would you try breast 399 00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:52.880 milk? No, yeah, I probably would. Looking at you, I 400 00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:56.160 believe you probably would. I believe you. I've give it a little sip 401 00:27:56.559 --> 00:28:00.720 that'd take down a quarter or two. Maybe that's why I have this two 402 00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:06.920 dogs higher than you. All right, shall we spoil spile spile spilers? 403 00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:11.559 Okay, So the biggest thing from this season is that in the final five 404 00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:15.960 minutes of the season, after Newman says I need your help, boys, 405 00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:19.319 boys, can you please get me out of my sticky situation, a super 406 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:26.079 tumored Butcher comes in there and venoms her in half. Now after what we 407 00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:32.480 had just gotten in the previous episode where we have the the folks that can 408 00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:34.880 change their bodies, I'm blanking on what they're called right now? Uh, 409 00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:40.920 the one that became Starlight, the transformers not transformers, whatever it is. 410 00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:44.480 Uh. I thought for a second, I was like, wait, is 411 00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:47.559 Butcher one of these people too? Oh? Wait, no, that is 412 00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:52.799 the super tumor that they had teased about a half an hour ago. That 413 00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:56.759 is essentially Jeffer Deine Morgan. Yes, you know that's the embodiment of that 414 00:28:57.240 --> 00:29:03.720 fucking serpent venom tie yeah thing. And I ask you this, of do 415 00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:07.839 you think it would have been better if they saved Newman and then they opened 416 00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:12.440 season five with killing her there to show you the consequences are now real. 417 00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:17.000 Number One, I don't necessarily believe that Newman's dead. Let me get that 418 00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:19.480 out of the way. She has all these powers with being able to manipulate 419 00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:22.839 blood, and it wasn't like she was torn a shred. She was just 420 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:26.160 torn in half. Yes, first of all, that's the first death of 421 00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:29.319 consequence we get in the series, and I have quote unquote deaths. So 422 00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:33.079 I liked that they did something, I guess, but also we were just 423 00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:37.319 building towards something significant with Newman and maybe another capacity, and then they just 424 00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:41.640 took her off the board. That's why I don't know if I believe it 425 00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:45.799 totally. Number two, Yes, I hate hate the way that Butcher's v 426 00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:52.480 powers manifested there. Last season we saw like the laser vision and for whatever 427 00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:56.039 reason, the fucking venom tentacles just didn't work for me. I didn't like 428 00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:59.400 it. I didn't looked I thought it looked kind of corny. Well, 429 00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:03.799 that those aren't his powers, that's the cancer's powers. Sure, you decide 430 00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:07.160 what the cancer does, well, it's sort of one of the same. 431 00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:11.480 And yeah, the powers because of taking that shit last season. I also 432 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:17.000 wonder why Victoria and Newman can't be hurt by scalding hot laser vision but can 433 00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:19.200 be ripped apart like that doesn't She was also shot in the head in the 434 00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:22.160 first episode. Yeah, so how does that make sense? I don't know 435 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:26.079 if that makes sense logistically if you're just trying to like break down like she 436 00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:30.000 she felt like she was invulnerable and then she could just get ripped apart. 437 00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:33.000 So I don't really care for that. And then again number two I kind 438 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:36.759 of mentioned already with the Butcher thing. Do you like that Butcher's just straight 439 00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:40.039 up a soup now? But I don't think he is a soup. It's 440 00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:42.279 the cancer that is the soup. Well, sure, but for the rest 441 00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:45.759 of Butcher's life, he's gonna have that ability now, right, I don't 442 00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:51.519 think it's Butcher anymore. It's not Butcher. It is now Jeffreydine Morgan character 443 00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:56.240 exists with that power. OI. I can't believe I have to like this 444 00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:00.039 now? OI. Yeah, So I Number one, I don't. I 445 00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:02.759 don't know if I like that Newman got killed. Number two, I don't 446 00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:07.039 like the way that it happened. So it's consequential unless they undo it, 447 00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:11.920 which I probably will actually like, I just don't know. Like that was 448 00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:15.440 supposed to be the big shocking moment, and it comes smack dab at the 449 00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:18.640 end, because basically after that is a prologue. Another one of the big 450 00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:22.559 shocking moments, too, was that you find out that Morgan is actually in 451 00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:25.599 Butcher's head. The only issue that we had with that is that you had 452 00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:27.839 predicted it and told me every day for a month that you thought it was 453 00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:30.480 gonna be the thing. So when it was revealed on the show, I'm 454 00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:33.880 like, motherfuck Mac, you piece of shit. You ruin this for me. 455 00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:38.359 Uh No, I predicted it maybe after season or after episode three. 456 00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:42.039 I had hinted it towards you. It did feel like that, though, 457 00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:44.920 I'm sure I'm not the only one that saw that. Well, No, 458 00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:47.920 once you said it and then told me every day for a fucking month, 459 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:49.680 Yes, I I did not tell you every day every day. You texted 460 00:31:49.720 --> 00:31:55.640 me every day morning and evening. So yeah, that was a big moment. 461 00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:57.319 So yeah, sure, I'll give you that I actually saw her coming. 462 00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:01.960 But aside from that, I do like that we're still dealing with like 463 00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:07.680 family in fatherhood and wanting to be love searching for love because all of these 464 00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:12.440 characters, all of our main players, whether it be any of the Seven 465 00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:15.960 or the Boys, are certainly like still looking for their place in the world, 466 00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:19.960 and so there is something to that and there's something relatable to that. 467 00:32:20.359 --> 00:32:23.160 However, they have still They've been doing it for four seasons now and so 468 00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:27.960 that part is getting a little stale too. But this season was more about 469 00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:30.599 fighting with yourself and you know, trying to cope with who you are. 470 00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:36.000 Like you have a homelander who is aging, so he has this big jar 471 00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:40.680 of pubes. Butcher is accepting death and at the end he doesn't accept it. 472 00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:45.119 He says, no, I'll live until this thing kills me. And 473 00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:47.960 then Starlight is going through her thing the whole season. Do you like how 474 00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:52.359 quickly we found out that Starlight was kidnapped? Would you have liked that to 475 00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:55.759 have been stretched out maybe an episode or two, And then there's a mystery 476 00:32:55.799 --> 00:33:00.000 to how long she had been gone, as opposed to knowing the entire time 477 00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:04.200 that she was just taken and then she was gone for ten days, because 478 00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:06.799 they kind of told us all that pretty quickly. No, I was good 479 00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:08.079 with that. I didn't mind that at all. In fact, that was 480 00:33:08.119 --> 00:33:12.279 actually another pretty significant thing that happened in the season. So maybe we are 481 00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:17.240 a tad too low on the season, but out of ten I'm fine with 482 00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:22.400 that. It's still tied into the main theme though, because part of fighting 483 00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:27.240 with yourself and accepting yourself, that's like the first step in like getting loved 484 00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:31.880 or accepting others or accepting yourself. Like that's all tied together. Man, 485 00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:37.240 good Hue Campbell, it just keeps getting the worst. He had a rough 486 00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:43.599 run, absolute worst of the worst. First, his fucking dad dies in 487 00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:47.559 a really traumatizing way, and in part it was so traumatizing because of what 488 00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:52.599 Hue did well. Also, you know, while his real father died, 489 00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:58.759 he's also dealing with his father figure dying. Yeah, Butcher is this older 490 00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:04.519 brother father figure. And I also think he thought he was hoping Butcher would 491 00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:07.720 turn a corner, and now Butcher's gone back the other way. So that's 492 00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:09.960 hurting. Not only was he dying, he's now not the person you thought 493 00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:13.360 he was, you know, yeah, and then he's doing you know, 494 00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:16.320 he meets his idol, he meets the tech Knight, and it turns out 495 00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:22.360 that he gets essayed tech night and by Ashley. God. Yeah, that 496 00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:24.880 so that was I think that was They were hoping that was gonna be more 497 00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:29.800 fantastic than it was. Instead it just kind of went on for too long, 498 00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:34.760 so that missed a bit. Then he thinks that he's gotten engaged. 499 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:37.719 She's having this great sex with his you know, new fiance. Turns out 500 00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:42.760 that with someone posing as her, meaning that he was once again essayed. 501 00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:45.679 Yep. Hard arted there for sure, so tough, tough seas. I 502 00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:50.960 don't appreciate her not being a little bit you know, nicer to him about 503 00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:54.119 this. Wow, she came at him real hard. Yeah, she acted 504 00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:57.920 as as if he cheated on her, and I guess he did. But 505 00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:00.840 also he was sexually sulted and she didn't really well she did. She did 506 00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:04.239 kind of come round now, she came around to it, but at first 507 00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:07.239 she was like, you son of a bitch's pretty upset, that's for sure. 508 00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:09.360 Well, he did. He did try to marry someone that wasn't her, 509 00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:13.599 so he thought it was her she had the same birthmark on the inside 510 00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:20.320 of her thigh. Good. Once again, Homelander wins, and maybe wins 511 00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:23.079 is the most this season, Homeland is essentially in charge. Home Learner isn't 512 00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:27.639 the President of the United States, but he controls the president of the United 513 00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:31.320 States, so basically Homelander now has a dictatorship over the United States. And 514 00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:35.920 he has also now allowed every superhero to go out there. He is in 515 00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:44.239 charge, and they are just taking names and kicking ass. H I it's 516 00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:47.639 get it's he better fucking die in the most amazing ways. No, I 517 00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:51.320 want him to win. And then he's like, what have I done? 518 00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:54.960 I'd be okay with that too, because that would be something no fucking show 519 00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:58.599 has ever done before. It would piss a lot of people off. But 520 00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:00.679 Macgoo would like it if he just sat back at the end, he's the 521 00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:05.039 only one left alive, and he's like, he's like in a sea of 522 00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:07.519 blood. Nobody's like, maybe that wasn't my best course of action. But 523 00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:10.280 then he sits back and goes but I really don't care. And that's just 524 00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:15.239 how it ends that don dun doun no no no no no no no no 525 00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:21.000 no no no. Speaking of maybe his potential downfall here, his son Ryan 526 00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:23.880 has kind of gone rogue. He's kind of a showed both sides. Yeah, 527 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:28.159 he's pissed at Butcher, he's pissed at his father. He's got his 528 00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:31.000 mom on his mind constantly. He's what thirteen fourteen years old, so he's 529 00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:36.800 going through all that shit as well. We we think, we believe he's 530 00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:40.119 he has the same power set as Homeland, or eventually will. We also 531 00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:45.639 kind of have to think that because he was born naturally with those powers, 532 00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:50.719 he's probably gonna be Baseline a little bit stronger than Homelander, whose powers are 533 00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:53.559 artificial, and Home Winners also on his way down. We're being told that 534 00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:59.039 by the Gray Pubes. Yeah right, so exactly. So homelanders kind of 535 00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:02.480 getting old, maybe losing his touch, and Ryan in maybe two three years 536 00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:07.360 will have peaked sixteen seventeen, eighteen years old, and maybe that's how we 537 00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:12.480 see Homeland. It'll be a mirror battle for sure, but at least this 538 00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:15.760 mirror battle, and it reflects a little bit of what we saw in Invincible 539 00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:20.599 at the end of that season. It reflects a little over this father son 540 00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:24.320 struggle where the son just has to do what he has to do, and 541 00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:30.880 maybe that'll play better then than what we're thinking right now. I am, 542 00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:35.960 like, I am really intrigued as to like what a full playing Ryan will 543 00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:38.679 be, because right now he really is just dabbling in this. Do you 544 00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:45.960 think that Ryan kills his father, his father figure Butcher, and then his 545 00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:49.920 grandfather. Yeah? So that also, that's the other big thing we'll get 546 00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:52.079 to in one second. That was the post credit or the mid credit, 547 00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:57.320 the Soldier Boy tease. Ryan also kills Grace Mallory here, who was somewhat 548 00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:00.719 a grandmother figure to him. That was fine, I did like that, 549 00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:07.119 Like, but he's also these cut ties with everything that has made him human, 550 00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:10.679 whether it be Grace or his connection to Butcher, because now that Butcher 551 00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:15.719 has seen him do that, and Butcher is really no longer Butcher anymore, 552 00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:20.360 so Ryan's just kind of off on his own. Yeah, right, he's 553 00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:23.239 gone rogue. I think he's gone rogue. I think what we see here 554 00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:31.360 is essentially some combination of Butcher's death sparks something within Ryan that kind of gets 555 00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:37.800 him to fulfill his destiny or fulfill his promise to his mom, and him 556 00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:43.559 and Soldier Boy probably combined to beat Homelander in season five, right, that 557 00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:46.239 has to be do you want mine now? Because I'm gonna throw this at 558 00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:52.599 you. Let's hear it. What if Butcher does kill Homelander, but then 559 00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:57.960 Butcher is about to unleash the uh the virus, the virus, and then 560 00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:00.519 he kills him, and then Ryan kills Butcher. I'm glad you brought that 561 00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:06.000 up. So the major event or major plot point that we grabbed from gen 562 00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:12.400 v was that superhero killing virus that was introduced there, pulled over here that 563 00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:15.679 is still up in the air. Presumably Butcher has it at the end of 564 00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:20.559 the season and he seemingly his plan is to release it. He's gonna have 565 00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:23.440 to mass produce it and you know, find out a way to release it. 566 00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:30.320 But seemingly that is a way to kill all the superheroes. Do you 567 00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:34.360 think so there is a chance that this series ends with all the superheroes dead. 568 00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:37.559 That would be interesting too. That's interesting, yeah, but that also 569 00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:39.599 doesn't allow them to spin off into more stuff, and I feel like they 570 00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:43.280 want to spin off into more So the virus is just a red herring. 571 00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:47.880 Then yeah, Okay, that's that's fine too. So at the end of 572 00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:52.440 this whole thing, you know, after Newman gets ripped apart, the prologue 573 00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:55.159 is essentially the boys on the run. They're leaving the US, except nope, 574 00:39:55.599 --> 00:39:59.280 they all get caught. They all get captured, except for Butcher, 575 00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:02.519 who drives to whatever farm or safe house he was talking about, and Annie 576 00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:08.119 finally gets her powers back blasts off again. We assume Butcher has this virus 577 00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:14.239 that he stole from Frenchy. Hue, Kimiko, mother's milk, and Frenchy 578 00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:17.360 are all in prison. Kimiko was not taken. No, she's being held 579 00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:21.519 back and she actually speaks. Yes, we hear Kimiko say something for the 580 00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:23.119 first time. I do think she gets taken there. I don't think she 581 00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:28.199 does get taken. I think it's all non non soups. Okay, maybe 582 00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:30.320 you might be right about that. It's possible she does get taken though, 583 00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:35.320 And I think here's a crossover we will see, or here's how gen V 584 00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:38.840 comes back into things. Maybe they put him in this put them all in 585 00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:43.760 the same holding place that we saw at the end of season one. Yeah, 586 00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:45.639 I was thinking too so that that would be a nice tie in there. 587 00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:50.800 Ultimately, we also find out here in the prologue. Sage was behind 588 00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:52.880 it all. She was the mastermind. It was a little bit of a 589 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:57.519 seven type of thing where you didn't think they knew they were one step ahead, 590 00:40:57.559 --> 00:41:00.440 but they were. And I was okay with that. But I think 591 00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:02.119 it redeems Sage a little bit from where she was at the beginning of the 592 00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:06.079 episode. Also, the stuff with Sage, I did think, like the 593 00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:08.559 lobotomy stuff was really funny. Yeah, that was good too. Yeah. 594 00:41:08.599 --> 00:41:13.599 And also just something I never need to hear again, is someone licking grease 595 00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:19.519 off their rubber gloves. Yeah, that's fucking cruise disgusting. A couple interesting 596 00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:23.559 things here we see Ashley doesn't take V twenty four whatever it's called. She 597 00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:30.360 takes one of the compound v's that was being held in homelanders Layer. There 598 00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:34.199 we see her kind of transforming, and then she just disappears. We don't 599 00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:37.280 see her in the final twenty thirty minutes of the episode. Very intrigued as 600 00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:40.400 to how that manifests going. She's gonna have a big old brain. I 601 00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:50.280 think Firecracker is getting sicker because pretty funny meds for the breast milk. It 602 00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:53.159 feels like they're setting something up there too. Where maybe that will actually affect 603 00:41:53.320 --> 00:42:00.800 bro What if she comes back next season and she's got huge jugs. Another 604 00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:05.519 major thing that happened during the season is a Train is a turncoat. He's 605 00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:08.320 no longer a part of the Seven. He became essentially a part of the 606 00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:10.960 Boys who was helping the Boys out. He was the leak they were talking 607 00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:15.320 about all season long. So that is good. It is so maybe to 608 00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:20.360 your point, maybe Kimmiko is kind of on her or her own a little 609 00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:23.440 bit. And you also have a Train there and Ashley maybe working against the 610 00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:28.760 Seven and Homelanders, so maybe that's our glimmer of hope going into season five. 611 00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:32.559 You also have Stan Edgar and Newman's husband Samir still in the win, 612 00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:39.480 presumably going to work together. I don't think a for Homelander, presumably against 613 00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:44.480 its yeah, but also against the Boys since fucking Butcher just killed Newman. 614 00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:47.719 Yeah, so that's another wild card we have there. You spoke about the 615 00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:52.320 shape shifter though, that's what they're called. I wish that shape shifters, 616 00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:57.159 and I obviously there was one that was in the first two seasons before Homelander 617 00:42:57.239 --> 00:43:01.559 killed him, but I wish that they reintroduced shape Shifters into the season before 618 00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:06.400 episode seven because it felt kind of rushed, like, oh, there are 619 00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:08.800 still shape shifters. It just feels cheap either way. With that power, 620 00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:14.440 it's never gonna exactly feel right good. Something funn here at the end, 621 00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:16.440 we got that girl Cindy, who I think we saw at the end of 622 00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:22.760 season two escaped that holding cell whatever. Walking down the road, she pops 623 00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:25.559 up here to capture Hueie. That's when Andy jumps away. That was maybe 624 00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:30.320 like the coolest little easter egg we got in this season. Again, we 625 00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:32.559 see Sam and Kate at the end here get Kimmy, Cohen and Huey. 626 00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:37.719 That does lead to more questions about gen v and the other Guardians of a 627 00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:40.400 Adulkin we saw, but maybe we'll see them at the very beginning of season 628 00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:45.559 five in that little prison hospital. Think We also again get Soldier Boy here 629 00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:52.280 in the mid post credit, who's basically on ice and it seems like, 630 00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:58.119 while he may not be as powerful as Homelander, I don't think Homelander can 631 00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:01.360 kill Soldier Boy because if if he could have, that's probably what it happened 632 00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:05.559 at the end of last season. Right well, I think Ryan really kind 633 00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:08.960 of threw everybody off. Yeah, yeah, that's true. We also didn't 634 00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:14.920 see the Wonder Woman character. Mayve she'll she'll pop up again in so do 635 00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:19.480 you think so? I see here that you wrote possibly a civil war between 636 00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:22.440 the Soups. Do you think that we're gonna see kind of a seven on 637 00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:29.679 seven? Let's try and brainstorm the seven right now. Soldier Boy may kimmyko 638 00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:36.639 starlight, maybe a Marie Moreau a train, a train Marie Moreau six, 639 00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:42.280 and then and then maybe who Butcher? No, no, Butcher's off on 640 00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:45.039 his own. So I think Butcher's on his own. Ryan's on his own. 641 00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:49.679 And I also wouldn't be surprised if Soldier Boy was also on his own. 642 00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:51.960 But I wouldn't be surprised if he was also part of a team. 643 00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:53.679 I don't Again, we do have a couple of those gen V kids. 644 00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:58.079 We can go Ashley, Yeah, Ashley, we got too, but she 645 00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:00.920 also might be on her own. But you do have Marie Moreau and then 646 00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:05.679 the one who could change genders. Oh yes, yes, I can't think 647 00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:08.800 of their name that could play as well. So they I think we might 648 00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:15.280 have like a really incredible few episodes. I think it makes sense, though, 649 00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:16.920 to do a seven on seven that's been like the big number on the 650 00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:22.039 show. I also think that this show because I would assume that they're gonna 651 00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:24.639 try and spin this off into more things after this, but maybe cut off 652 00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:30.760 the timeline of these characters with season five. So I think the Seven's gonna 653 00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:32.800 be gone. I think the Boys are gonna be gone. Yeah, I 654 00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:37.960 think. And again because none of the storylines they started in season one have 655 00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:42.000 really concluded. I think they kind of all come to ahead in season five 656 00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:45.639 and we move past that, you know, and whatever spinofs go forward, 657 00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:53.960 I don't think we're gonna see much of those same characters. Let's get into 658 00:45:55.719 --> 00:46:00.000 Maxack and Max could be Anth and it could be a boat. And lit'll 659 00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:05.559 go with the season four of the Boys. That has been announced here that 660 00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:08.599 season five of the Boys will be its final season and it's currently being written, 661 00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:14.760 has eight episodes, Filming starts around November, and we'll go until mid 662 00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:20.360 twenty twenty five and is expected to be released in twenty twenty six. Yep, 663 00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:23.119 so we got two years, got some time, but we'll have a 664 00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:29.039 gen V season in between. But you know it is I'll wait two years 665 00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:30.800 for the if it really is gonna be the final season. I'll wait two 666 00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:34.159 years. Make it. Take your time. It's fine, I'll be happy 667 00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:37.159 with it. Take your time. And I do feel like season four and 668 00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:39.320 season five are going to feel like one long season. Yeah, and you're 669 00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:42.719 right, the gen v in between will help, all right, Mac, 670 00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:45.440 Where can the people find us? You can find us on Oh, We're 671 00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:50.079 gonna find us on Twitter and on Instagram, at Mac and Goop podcast every 672 00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:54.159 other platform. We're Mac ampersan goots, Mac Shift seven Goo that includes Facebook, 673 00:46:54.159 --> 00:46:59.079 Situ're tuning Caspuck, speak of Google Play, iHeartRadio. 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That's the line from the show. 683 00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:39.119 Right, good callback, that's a good one. So also with this 684 00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:44.800 one. Any Seinfeld merch that you wear, that's a point. Seinfeld tattoos 685 00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:49.559 that's three points. Seinfeld impressions, no points, but you'll get a gigle 686 00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:53.800 out of me every single time. There you go, what's the deal with 687 00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:58.039 alcohol? Because we'll be at a brewery, so you can say that, 688 00:47:58.239 --> 00:48:01.679 right, very topical. What's the deal with your point system? It doesn't 689 00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:07.599 make any sense. I guess that's it for this episode. So yeah, 690 00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:12.519 all right, So join us at the end of this week for Deadpool and 691 00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:19.840 Wolverine and then more fun next week. Tuesdays are Goosdays, I Abuse Kangaroos. 692 00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:30.880 Bye, Tim Burton. 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