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We also had 39 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:51.840 thoughts on Raw Sid Warrior, Chris Saban, TNA, Daniel Bryan, and 40 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:55.159 a lot more. We had live callers and email questions throughout throwing topics and 41 00:02:55.360 --> 00:02:59.639 questions and thoughts our way. We're a little behind, so we're jumping back 42 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:04.639 to the July thirtieth, twenty thirteen episode just over ten years ago, and 43 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:08.400 it is today's wad Keller Pro Wrestling podcast ten years ago Flakeship flashback for Sunday, 44 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:15.400 August thirteenth, twenty twenty three. Welcome to the p wtrch Livecasts. 45 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:20.479 I am Wade Keller, editor and publisher of the Pro Wrestling Torch newsletter, 46 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:25.479 published every week in paper format and now digital format fifth nineteen eighty seven. 47 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:31.520 Also pwtorch dot Com since nineteen ninety nine, and now the pw Torch apps 48 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:37.759 on iPhone, Android, Amazon Kindle, Fire, Windows phones and Samsung Smart 49 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:40.639 TV's and DVD players from the twenty twelve and twenty three years twenty thirteen, 50 00:03:40.680 --> 00:03:46.080 i should say model years and now host of the pwtrch livecast. We heard 51 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:47.560 five days a week. I host on Tuesdays and Fridays. We have been 52 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:53.919 on every weekday since the end of two thousand nine through today. We have 53 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:57.759 not taken a holiday off or a six day off. We are here Monday 54 00:03:57.800 --> 00:04:00.960 through Friday with an array of guests, array of format, and we also 55 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:03.919 have special shows that follow pay per views. On the Sundays when there are 56 00:04:03.919 --> 00:04:06.240 pay per views. Half hour after the show ends, you can go to 57 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:12.240 pwtorchlivecast dot com and listen live to a call in show reacting to the just 58 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:15.560 concluded pay per view, and you can as always go to pwtorchlivecast dot com 59 00:04:15.600 --> 00:04:19.800 and find either a live show if it's in progress on a weekday, or 60 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:25.800 all of our archives, including the latest episode on demand. Since it is 61 00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:29.560 Tuesday, July thirty, twenty thirteen. Since it's Tuesday, it is Jason 62 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:33.279 Polo progressing dot Net joining me as co host Jason Welcome, Hey, great 63 00:04:33.319 --> 00:04:36.040 to be here Wood, Good to have you or great to have you? 64 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:38.920 I didn't want to you know, you say it's great to be here, 65 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:40.720 and I say it's good to have you. It sounds kind of rude. 66 00:04:40.839 --> 00:04:43.439 Yeah, I was over. It's only good to be here. It's it's 67 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:46.560 all good, Okay, it's all good. See that. Yeah you're a 68 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:48.240 favorite. Yeah, no, it's it's not that I don't like it. 69 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:53.120 It's just when people say it, they generally are meaning sort of the opposite, 70 00:04:53.160 --> 00:04:56.360 like they have reservations about it, but they're they're willing to be bigger 71 00:04:56.399 --> 00:05:00.079 than their feelings. They're willing to express that they're more more okay, and 72 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:02.079 they really feel I'm trying to get over it. They're holding a grudge, 73 00:05:02.079 --> 00:05:04.680 but they won't admit it then that that kind of sums up how I feel 74 00:05:04.720 --> 00:05:08.000 to it, because I know if you talk about a raw that was taped, 75 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:10.959 like you know, six days ago or six days before it aired, 76 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:14.560 and yeah, it's kind of here, but but did you but did you 77 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:16.680 see Total Divas? Of course I did, so we don't have to talk 78 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:19.879 about Raw. We got a whole hour to talk about Total Divas. It's 79 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:26.279 all good. We do welcome phone calls from our listeners. We're gonna go 80 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:30.439 to them quickly. The number to call is six four six seven two one 81 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:32.399 ninety two eight. By the way, the show airs live at five thirty 82 00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:35.040 Tuesday through Friday. We are on the air right now five thirty Eastern two 83 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:41.759 thirty Pacific time for an hour or so at Pwtorch livecast dot com. So 84 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:46.560 you are absolutely free to join us live and call on any of these weekdays. 85 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:49.839 On Mondays, the show airs in the hour before Raw. But yeah, 86 00:05:49.879 --> 00:05:51.759 we welcome your phone calls. I really want to know what you thought 87 00:05:51.759 --> 00:05:57.480 of Total Divas. I think it'll be somewhat generational what people think, and 88 00:05:57.560 --> 00:06:00.399 just kind of personality based. I think there's some people who will like it, 89 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:01.839 some people who will hate it, others will be somewhere in between. 90 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:04.720 Jason and I'll talk about that and then we'll go to calls. 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We did along 118 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:50.360 vi IP aftershow also, and in that VP after show he talked in depth 119 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:58.160 about some of Vince McMahon's quirkier traits and there is a burrito story that if 120 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:01.839 I'm ever sad, will make me laugh and if I just think of it 121 00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:05.920 again, and a lot of other kind of weird things about fennsc Man, 122 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:09.079 just crooky things. So anyway, you can get a snippet of that. 123 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:15.000 It's about a four to five minute snippet with some with some slideshows of pennsic 124 00:08:15.040 --> 00:08:18.199 Man in the background. And that again was a VAP exclusive, so you 125 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:20.800 get an idea of what you're missing if you're not a VP member. And 126 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:24.879 then also a clip of the Bruce mitchelaudio show from Sunday where Bruce and I 127 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:30.759 had a lengthy discussion and this was fun. Who was the worst main event 128 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:33.120 or of the past couple decades, you know, really of the nineties if 129 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:37.519 we just focus in on it, Ultimate Warrior or Sit in terms of in 130 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:41.759 ring work as workers, as respected by their peers, versatile in the ring, 131 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:45.639 producing good matches, being believable in what they do, having an array 132 00:08:45.639 --> 00:08:48.879 of moves, just you know, all is selling for their opponent, all 133 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:52.159 of that. And we debated or discussed we don't really debate, but we 134 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:58.000 discussed sid or Warrior, and a good chunk of that conversation about ten twelve 135 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:01.559 minutes of it is available at Peter Youtorch dot com, slash YouTube I'm sorry, 136 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:07.879 that's backwards, YouTube dot com slash PW torch, and if you go 137 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:11.440 to YouTube dot com slash PW torch and look for the vinsc man clip I'm 138 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:13.480 sorry, the SID Warrior clip, you can hear part of the Bruce Mitchell 139 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:18.120 Audio Show. We did about two and a half hours of VTP exclusive Bruce 140 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:24.000 Mitchell audio this past weekend and most of it was answering VIP member questions in 141 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:26.559 depth. We have a lot of people who enjoy the ASPW Torch feature on 142 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:30.840 the website. If you enjoy that a lot, and we just get great 143 00:09:30.919 --> 00:09:35.200 reviews for it, you really will enjoy the in depth, long form answers 144 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:39.879 we give to big topics on the audio shows, including the Keller hot Line. 145 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:43.320 I do that format on the Daily Keller hot Line a few times a 146 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:46.879 week, and Bruce Mitchell does it quite often on the on the Bruce Mitchell 147 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:50.000 Audio Show. So this will give you a little taste of that with the 148 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:54.320 Sid Warrior discussion. Plus there's some fun vintage Ultimate Warrior and SID pictures from 149 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:58.360 my expansive eighties and nineties and two thousands photo collection. I took a lot 150 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:05.600 of photos in the late eighties through the nineties, especially all over all over 151 00:10:05.639 --> 00:10:09.080 the country, and took a lot of a lot of photos from ringside and 152 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:13.200 the front row and at special events. And so this is a chance to 153 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:16.039 kind of see some cool uh cool side shows of Ultimate Orior and Sid and 154 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:20.240 vinsc Man at different incarnations, plus some of our exclusive art our commissioned art 155 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:22.320 from our PW Torch artists. So wanted to give that a plug again. 156 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:26.519 That's YouTube dot com slash PW Torch. Also, please subscribe because we need 157 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:31.320 to get to one thousand subscribers to our YouTube channel. YouTube as a bunch 158 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:33.840 of channels now people can set up their own channel. That's what we've done, 159 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:37.120 and if we get to one thousand subscribers, it unlocks some features that 160 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:41.480 that YouTube reserves for people who have at least a thousand subscribers. So if 161 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:45.519 for no other reason than to help us unlock those features, go to YouTube 162 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:50.399 dot com slash PW Torch and click subscribe on that on that page. All 163 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:52.840 right, I wanted to get that out of the way early. Jason, 164 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:56.679 Let's do some brief thoughts on the Total Diva show, and then let's go 165 00:10:56.679 --> 00:11:00.600 to phone calls and let the callers steer us through the next few minutes or 166 00:11:00.639 --> 00:11:03.360 so. Total Divas sumbs up, thumbs in the middle, thumbs down, 167 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:05.559 or is it just too complicated to classify that way? You know, I 168 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:09.679 think it actually might be the latter way, But that's what I'm thinking too. 169 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:16.080 It did. I had no expectations for this, and so I guess 170 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:20.519 when it was over, it kind of just the hour went by, and 171 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:28.679 it was definitely a reality show with you know, very contrived scenes, and 172 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:33.919 people will probably look at this and who know the wrestling business, and a 173 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:35.879 lot of them will think, well, it's just wrestling doing what wrestling does. 174 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:39.720 But I mean it's more like, no, that's what reality television producers 175 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:46.000 do. There was I mean, just little things like the costumes not being 176 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:50.000 ready for WrestleMania. Uh, you know, there were supposed to be supposed 177 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:52.159 to be eight people in that match that was canceled and we only saw the 178 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:56.799 women and their reaction to it. I don't know why that would be. 179 00:11:56.960 --> 00:11:58.399 There was just a lot of little things like that that jumped out at me. 180 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:03.840 In Italia finding out that she didn't have a WrestleMania match at FanFest on 181 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:07.639 WrestleMania weekend. Yeah exactly, like like was she really holding out hope with 182 00:12:07.679 --> 00:12:11.240 the whole whole? I mean, that was the most egregious, just ridiculous 183 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:16.679 eye rolling moment of the show is Jane Getty's pulling on Natty aside and going, 184 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:18.879 we got some bad news for you. It's twenty four is before the 185 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:22.240 show. You haven't been announced for a match yet we filled up the lineup. 186 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:26.519 You are among the vast majority of the divas who do not have a 187 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:28.200 match, and we hate to break the shocking news to you, but we're 188 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:31.679 not adding you to the lineup at the last second. Like that's I mean, 189 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:35.919 it just was so contrived. And Natty Daddy's great, you know, 190 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:39.679 I mean, I just it's it's great. She's she's the glue that holds 191 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:41.639 a lot of matches together. She's got you know, she's a I'm glad 192 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:45.120 that she's made it to the main roster and has had a job for a 193 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:48.840 number of years. She's not a good actor, and it's really noticeable now 194 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:52.840 that the worst actor in professional wrestling backstage skit history as far as Females go, 195 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:56.639 Beth Phoenix is gone. It's more noticeable now because Natty has moved to 196 00:12:56.679 --> 00:13:01.440 the top and and her acting is not good, and they're in this reality 197 00:13:01.480 --> 00:13:03.360 show. They're leaning on her acting, and you know, and I don't 198 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:07.480 think it's awful, but it's it's it's there's moments where she just kind of 199 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:09.480 makes a cartoon faces or holds the post too long, and it's just not 200 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:13.360 she's just not a natural act. There's nothing wrong with that, it's just 201 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:16.639 when she's put in unnatural situations, it's kind of corny. Just like last 202 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:18.080 night on Raw, you know, she kind of held her pose and made 203 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:22.279 a cartoon face and reaction to at the end of her skit. Thank you 204 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:26.320 for subscribing to the Waight Keller Pro Wrestling podcast and wad Keller Pro Wrestling post 205 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:30.600 shows. Don't forget we got a whole lineup of other shows called the Pwtorch 206 00:13:30.759 --> 00:13:33.960 Daily Casts. It's free. Just search PW torch in your podcast stapp a 207 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:37.879 different show on a different topic throughout the week, including shows dedicated to a 208 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:43.840 e W n x T MMA Ring of Honor and more. Just search PW 209 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:46.600 Torch in your podcast stapp or check out links to the latest shows at our 210 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:54.360 main website, pwtorch dot com. So that doesn't help either, James. 211 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:56.399 And then you know, they didn't exactly pick the best factor, but I 212 00:13:56.879 --> 00:14:01.440 you know, but but it so, yes, you're right, there's a 213 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:05.320 lot that's contrived. And but he keeps you guessing. I mean, I 214 00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:09.559 guess I think that's kind of part of the fun for me watching it, 215 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:13.360 and maybe for you two is Okay, what here rings true? You know 216 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:16.799 what here has happens? Then it's caught on film, but it really happened, 217 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:20.759 and what else is just orchestrated or staged? And I guess that's kind 218 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:22.399 of part of the fun of watching the show. It, I mean it, 219 00:14:24.159 --> 00:14:28.279 I guess it wasn't the hour went by it I didn't sit there just 220 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:31.759 shaking my head at the end of this thing, going my god, that 221 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:33.840 killed the business or you know, and that was a fear or maybe not 222 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:37.639 killed a business, but it would be that it would be much worse than 223 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:41.600 it was. I guess it. I guess one thing that threw me off 224 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:48.399 way is what did the Bellas talk like before the Kardashians came into national the 225 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:52.120 national spotlight? Because even on a reality show, they still talk like teenage 226 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:56.879 girls. I'm kind of embarrassed for them. Well, I don't think I've 227 00:14:56.919 --> 00:14:58.720 ever seen the Kardashians, even though I hear them on a daily basis. 228 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:01.720 That's just it. Yeah, I've never sat down and watching an episode, 229 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:05.679 but I certainly know what they talk like. And it's annoying. And I 230 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:09.679 know it now because every teenage girl out there seems to talk. Yeah, 231 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:15.399 I don't know. I mean, this is uh WWE corporate, this is 232 00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:20.039 Stephanie McMahon. They they have wanted and this gets into the Psychie and mcmanns. 233 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:20.639 And part of this is just, hey, if you're a big wrestling 234 00:15:20.679 --> 00:15:26.240 company and there's you're part of the you know, big cable TV network and 235 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:30.039 universe, you're gonna want to find opportunities to expand what you do. And 236 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:31.080 you know, I mean, it's it's fine for cross promotion all that, 237 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:37.159 But part of this is the McMahons have desperately wanted to prove that they are 238 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:39.039 not just pro rattling, that they're more than that. And I mean that's 239 00:15:39.039 --> 00:15:41.279 just gone. That goes all the way back to the mid eighties with Vince 240 00:15:41.360 --> 00:15:46.000 mcmah with you know, Liberacci and Muhammad Ali and Jane Fonda and you know, 241 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:48.879 I mean all the celebrities that they brought in. They want they want 242 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:56.000 WWBT part of mainstream pop culture, and this does help accomplish that, you 243 00:15:56.039 --> 00:15:58.919 know. I mean there was MTV week in like nineteen ninety nine, back 244 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:00.840 during the Attitude era. I mean, it's not like WWB hasn't been on 245 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:04.399 other channels and tried to cross promote before. I think it's natural when you 246 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:08.159 have the Bellas and some of these personalities, you have some stories that you 247 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:11.480 can tell in the reality format. So in that sense, I think it's 248 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:17.480 a natural fit. I'm with Travis Bryant more. I'm with Travis Frank quite 249 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:18.720 a bit in terms of what he had to say on yesterday's live cast with 250 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:22.799 Bruce that as long as you know what you're getting into and you understand the 251 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:29.440 genre, it was kind of you know, like just you know, TV 252 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:32.960 candy, It's just it's junk food. It's not to be taken seriously. 253 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:36.600 But I don't think it did enough damage. I think it's funny that, 254 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:41.159 you know, remember Shane Shane Douglass had to become Dean Douglas because Shane McMahon. 255 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:42.600 You know, he couldn't have another Shane. We've had things like that 256 00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:48.919 before, William Regals or Stephen Rigal became William Regal because of Steve Boston and 257 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:52.200 so like, they don't want to have if you're a top person, they 258 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:55.360 don't want to have somebody else with the same name confusing things. So is 259 00:16:55.440 --> 00:17:00.399 that why John John is Jimmy? Usso like, because everyone's why would he 260 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:02.320 go from why would he hol him up jim if his name is John? 261 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:06.039 And I just I'm kind of assuming it's because they didn't want other John on 262 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:07.720 top. But that's one of those weird things when you're watching the show, 263 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:11.680 if you're a casual fan and you're like, well, that's weird. Why 264 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:14.279 why is he Jimmy on TV? If his name is John? It's not 265 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:18.000 like you know, seeing Kara where you're like, okay, obviously it's kind 266 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:19.240 of a stage name. Why would you just go from one common name to 267 00:17:19.319 --> 00:17:22.440 another? Well, and I still think if you're a casual, if you 268 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:23.640 were watching or you're gonna wait a minute, why is why are the two 269 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:27.599 most popular guys dating the two most evil divas? I know, well, 270 00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:32.240 I mean I and I've ranted about that in the past. I do think 271 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:38.319 that's not great watching the show and in the way it played out, I 272 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:42.440 I mean, they're kind of getting away with it. I'm I'm not I 273 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:45.039 don't have a rant in me. I don't feel as much outrage as I 274 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:49.359 thought I would. But it does it. It is there, and it 275 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:53.599 does hurt, especially John Cena, you know, hustle, loyalty, and 276 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:57.400 respect. They work on protecting his image, and it's may coition to have 277 00:17:57.640 --> 00:18:02.559 him dating one of these women and who are portrayed as normal people who who 278 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:03.720 have a you know, a little bit of like you said, I guess 279 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:07.119 the Kardashians in them or something. But they don't come across as just evil 280 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:11.200 and nasty, just a little territorial and a little caddy. But they're not 281 00:18:11.559 --> 00:18:15.079 like awful, horrible people on the show. So in the context of the 282 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:18.119 show, I don't think somebody who doesn't watch WWE would go I thought John 283 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:21.680 Cina was a good guy. Why is he dating this horrible, awful woman. 284 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:25.480 But at the same time, if you watch the WWW product that the 285 00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:30.039 presumption when you're watching the show is this is an expose, not an expose. 286 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:34.480 But this is the narrative is different here that they are not in character 287 00:18:34.519 --> 00:18:37.519 and you are getting to see how things work. And that's one thing that 288 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:41.880 I thought worked about the show, for all the flaws and kind of contradictions 289 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:45.200 in certain ways and orchestrated skits, is that it was kind of fun to 290 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:47.960 go behind the scenes at Russomania. I mean, I think that they timed 291 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:51.480 it out well where we got to have the nerves of the biggest show ever 292 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:56.079 and the huge crowd at MetLife Stadium and the sense that WWE is a big 293 00:18:56.200 --> 00:19:00.359 deal, and I think WWE liked showing that to another audience. That's part 294 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:03.839 of the McMahon introriority complex that they're in the wrastling business is at least they 295 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:07.119 get too exposed to people just watch an e who tuned into the Kardashians and 296 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:11.799 stuck around for Total Divas, which half the audience did they get to see, 297 00:19:11.920 --> 00:19:15.400 Oh Wow, this w is a pretty big deal and it looks like 298 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:18.519 it's a pretty you know, it looks like a pretty smooth, corporate, 299 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:23.400 Hollywood type environment behind the scenes. Yeah, And I am thankful at least 300 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:27.200 for this week that there was no major crossover and we had the awful duck 301 00:19:27.279 --> 00:19:32.559 call finish to the match, but that was I don't it wasn't really inspired 302 00:19:32.599 --> 00:19:37.279 by anything on The Diva's show. It was rather inspired by Natty being built 303 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:41.519 the ugly duckling of the show. But it was also pre taped. I 304 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:42.640 mean, you know, they obviously know what they're going to err on E 305 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:47.680 so I am curious to see next week. Is this just how it is? 306 00:19:47.839 --> 00:19:48.920 It's like, yeah, they're going to acknowledge it, they're going to 307 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:53.039 push it, but you're not going to see a lot of like storylines blended 308 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:56.960 together from Total Divas making its way to RAW. I mean, I hope 309 00:19:57.000 --> 00:20:00.720 not. If it's just kind of we're gonna acknowledg the show. We're gonna 310 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:03.359 push it. But what you see on there is different than what you see 311 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:06.799 here on RAW. That's fine, do you think? And I'm getting a 312 00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:10.359 lot of email questions on this and you probably are too. Is Daniel Bryan 313 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:11.720 and the main event of Summer Slam because of the show? And are the 314 00:20:11.839 --> 00:20:17.680 USO's getting a push for the last several weeks because of the show? Who 315 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:22.960 you know, I don't know the answer beyond I wish. I mean, 316 00:20:23.119 --> 00:20:27.039 I think Daniel bron I leaned toward no. What Daniel Bryan, I don't 317 00:20:27.079 --> 00:20:30.640 think it hurts him to beyond to be involved in this, this project you're 318 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:37.279 doing with me. But I think the crowds were kind of dictating he climbed 319 00:20:37.319 --> 00:20:40.519 the ladder. I mean, it didn't have to be SummerSlam, but the 320 00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:44.680 Usos, I mean, fairly wwe needed a baby Face tag team, but 321 00:20:44.839 --> 00:20:48.720 it and their options were limited. But I guess just because they've I mean, 322 00:20:48.759 --> 00:20:52.079 they've needed a baby Face tag team for a while, I guess you 323 00:20:52.119 --> 00:20:55.920 had Kane and Daniel Bryan, but still, you know, I guess I 324 00:20:56.079 --> 00:20:59.559 leaned toward no in both, but I get it. I don't feel strongly 325 00:20:59.599 --> 00:21:03.519 about it. I think the Ustos probably are getting a renewed push because of 326 00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:07.160 the show, a stronger push than they would be getting if they'd beginning to 327 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:10.480 push at all. I just think, Www, saw this was on the 328 00:21:10.519 --> 00:21:12.960 pipeline. Obviously, it's been on the pipeline for months, and if the 329 00:21:14.039 --> 00:21:15.839 Ustos are going to be a big part of the show. You know, 330 00:21:17.240 --> 00:21:19.119 it's not like a huge deal, but might as well push the Ustos now, 331 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:22.200 you know, I mean, it's they're just kind of on stand by 332 00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:23.960 at any point any take teams on stand by to get a push for a 333 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:26.240 month or two or three, and I think they just kind of thought, 334 00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:29.359 yeah, yeah, we can push the thusos now, let's do that, 335 00:21:29.400 --> 00:21:30.279 you know, let's give them a good push still by the time the show, 336 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:33.599 where as people don't just see them as total job ors. You've got 337 00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:37.559 jb all going, these are inevitably future Take Team champions, blah blah blah. 338 00:21:37.559 --> 00:21:40.799 You don't build them up. I think I feel stronger about that with 339 00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:44.920 Daniel Bryan. He could have been doing He doesn't have to be feuding with 340 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:47.960 John Cena or not even fuding but sort of you know, they're building tension 341 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:51.240 between them. But he doesn't have to be a Summer Slant main event or 342 00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:56.039 to be a really relevant character on the show. And and if Brian was 343 00:21:56.119 --> 00:21:59.759 not in the main events the SummerSlam but instead was feuding with whoever, you 344 00:21:59.839 --> 00:22:03.839 know, another top guy, Elbertodo Reel right now or something just to grab 345 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:07.319 a name, it's still work. The show still works. So I don't 346 00:22:07.400 --> 00:22:11.799 think people should think the only reason Daniel Bryan's in the main event of SummerSlam 347 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:15.599 is WW wants to help the total Deva show vincct Matt is not going to 348 00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:22.480 sacrifice SummerSlam in order to maybe draw an intangible, unmeasurable number of extra viewers 349 00:22:22.519 --> 00:22:26.720 because Brian seems more relevant as a main eventor you know, I think they. 350 00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:30.400 I think it's a happy coincidence more than it's some Well, I don't 351 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:32.519 want to push Brian to the main event, but we better in order to 352 00:22:32.559 --> 00:22:34.160 help total Diva ratings, right, and even with the U shows, I 353 00:22:34.240 --> 00:22:37.599 mean, hey, the funk of Ackles are a big part of the show, 354 00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:41.559 and they've worked some somedachers, I guess, but it's not like wwe 355 00:22:41.720 --> 00:22:45.000 really gave them a boost going into this show on their normal product. Absolutely 356 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:48.640 no, You're exactly right, exactly right. So anyway, interesting stuff. 357 00:22:52.359 --> 00:22:56.440 Do you remember when Hulkogan shot the world or form the New World Order, 358 00:22:56.839 --> 00:23:00.920 or when stone Coat Steve Auston passed down and the Sharpshooter to break the hit 359 00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:06.640 Man Hart. I'm Torch contributor Frank petty Any and I've reviewed these shows and 360 00:23:06.759 --> 00:23:11.880 many more for my exclusive VIP podcast, Pro Wrestling Than and Now. Together 361 00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:15.279 with a rotating chair of co hosts, we go back ten, twenty, 362 00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:18.880 even thirty years review pay per views from top to bottom, talk about where 363 00:23:18.920 --> 00:23:22.559 the wrestlers were at the time and compare what took place then to what is 364 00:23:22.599 --> 00:23:27.559 taking place now. 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Jason, 389 00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:10.119 did you hear from Pat who his guests going to be Wednesday? I don't 390 00:25:10.119 --> 00:25:14.319 think I did. He will have Johnny fair Play discussing the total d of 391 00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:17.319 a show and he that's good. That's a good idea and he walsho have 392 00:25:17.359 --> 00:25:22.440 Michael Kingston, the author of the Headlock comic series. Oh awesome, Okay, 393 00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:25.000 I like the fair play idea. Actually that's a really good Uh, 394 00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:26.640 that's really good timing talk about, you know, the way reality to be 395 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:30.680 produced, and he's part of that world and follows it, so yeah that 396 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:33.000 i'd be Really that's actually a really good tag on why is Pat telling you 397 00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:36.960 who his guest? Is it not me? I think he calls me on 398 00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:41.799 Tuesdays as like the backup plan, like if he if he tells you and 399 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:44.559 you forget, and then there's always me and I should hope that I don't 400 00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:47.440 forget, and Lord knows I forget most of the time. All Right. 401 00:25:47.559 --> 00:25:49.599 That's that's that works. That makes as much sense as anything that works. 402 00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:52.400 It works out, you know, you get to break the news on the 403 00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:56.240 show. Yeah, it's one of those rare times because usually it usually works 404 00:25:56.279 --> 00:26:00.559 out where if you remember it's and it's the one time where I know, 405 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:03.119 and I'm all excited and then you just kind of ran on my parade by 406 00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:06.039 who it is. So it doesn't happen often that I get to do this. 407 00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:07.519 So I feel pretty good today. We do not. By the way, 408 00:26:07.519 --> 00:26:11.000 I have a guest line up for Friday's live cast yet. Bruce Mitchell 409 00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:15.240 will be at the mid Atlantic Wrestling Convention this weekend. There's a possibility that 410 00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:18.880 he'll be joining me live on the show to talk about the convention, and 411 00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:22.440 maybe lining up a couple of guests at the convention to be on the show 412 00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:25.319 live. We may also go in a completely different direction with it too, 413 00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:27.319 so it's that is up in the air. Last Frida, though Dan Madigan 414 00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:33.559 x ww Creative Team member in two thousand and four, he wrote See No 415 00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:36.240 Evil. He was a screenwriter for that show. In the VP after Show, 416 00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:37.640 we not only talked about Svincent Man's quirks, but also his thoughts on 417 00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:41.200 the progression and or lack there of, I guess, just the whole direction 418 00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:44.400 of the movie division. Since he was the one who was a screenwriter for 419 00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:48.640 the first movie in WWB Studios history, his thoughts would be interesting to get 420 00:26:48.680 --> 00:26:52.160 his thoughts on it is it was interesting, I should say, to get 421 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:55.759 his thoughts on the progression of the movie division. That was also in the 422 00:26:55.839 --> 00:26:59.799 VAP after show. But you can hear the first hour plus for free at 423 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:03.480 ewtorchlivecast dot com. That is also the website to go to to get the 424 00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:08.079 RSS feed or subscribe and iTunes or any All the key buttons are on that 425 00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:11.720 page that you need to follow us on social media and that kind of thing. 426 00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:15.000 All right, Jason just got ratings in right now for RAW. I 427 00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:18.079 don't know if you have you seen the ratings of viewership. I've seen viewership 428 00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:23.279 yep, so a viewership down a little bit from last week. The rating 429 00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:26.720 came in at two point nine. Last week it was also two point nine, 430 00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:30.680 but this week they rounded up. We rounded up to get to two 431 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:33.119 point nine. Last week it rounded down, So I went from if we 432 00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:37.599 pull it to the hunter spot. Last week was a two point nine four, 433 00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:41.880 this week a two point eight seven. It was the fifth week. 434 00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:47.400 It was a five week low for the show, and young male demographics tuned 435 00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:51.880 out big time. I'm not sure why that would have been the case, 436 00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:55.319 but it was number four in cable overall, number one and all keymail demos, 437 00:27:55.400 --> 00:28:00.680 but just did not do well as well among mail demos compared to recent 438 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:04.960 weeks. Hourly ratings peaked in the second hour with three point nine million viewers. 439 00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:10.960 It did three point seven in the final hour three point seven essentially almost 440 00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:12.920 in the first hour, but the third hour did better than the first a 441 00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:18.160 year ago. This was the week after RAW one thousand, so they had 442 00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:22.279 some momentum because that really popped a rating. But last week they did a 443 00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:25.519 three hour RAW that did a three point zero eight ratings, so they're down, 444 00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:27.960 you know, two tons of rating point from from a year ago. 445 00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:33.880 Jason, your interpretation of that, I mean, do you think the I 446 00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:36.920 mean, with it used to just be a you kind of just dismissed the 447 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:41.279 idea that pre tape shows and the spoilers getting out there would have an effect. 448 00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:42.960 But you kind of have to wonder away. I mean, they've they've 449 00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:45.519 been doing okay lately, and to see a drop like this, I think 450 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:51.160 the first time they were under four million viewers for the entire show average it 451 00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:53.319 since like June first or something like that. I wonder if it had not 452 00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:57.920 a obviously a widespread effect, but maybe some people tuned out as a result 453 00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:02.799 of and I already know what happened. Yeah, I still don't think it's 454 00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:06.920 a huge number. I mean, I if I had to guess, so 455 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:11.440 someone just said, tell me what you think the differences in terms of live 456 00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:14.640 ratings. You know, a live show versus a pre tape show. What 457 00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:17.599 effect does it have on ratings? I would say at two point eight seven 458 00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:22.519 becomes two point nine one, Like I just I mean, and I'm even 459 00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:26.759 hesitant to go that out. I maybe four one hundredths of a rating point. 460 00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:27.519 I mean, I just half a tenth of rating point. I just 461 00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:32.480 don't think it's I just I just don't think most people know, and those 462 00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:34.720 who know are don't care because they're in the habit of watching it anyway. 463 00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:38.880 And I don't know how much of what people I don't think people tune into 464 00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:41.200 Row to be surprised. I think they tune into Row to be entertained for 465 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:48.319 three hours. And the people who read spoilers probably are the type who are 466 00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:51.279 such hardcore fans that they want to see what they're gonna watch on They want 467 00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:52.400 to read about what they're gonna watch on Monday, because the wouldn't miss it 468 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:55.240 for the world, because they want to see all these matches and they want 469 00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:57.119 to see, you know, Daniel Bryan in jensic Mann in their confrontation. 470 00:29:57.160 --> 00:30:00.119 They want to see the right back tables match with se so I don't know. 471 00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:06.359 I my thought is still not thinking it's very significant, that's fair enough. 472 00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:08.079 It just man, I don't know. Watching that show last night, 473 00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:12.599 it was normally I don't get that bad when it comes to the tape shows, 474 00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:17.359 but it just felt I don't know, nothing felt like it mattered to 475 00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:19.200 me. Even everything just kind of felt like it was on hold. Even 476 00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:23.359 though they tried a little bit with Mince McMahon and Daniel Bryan was on hold. 477 00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:26.920 Yeah, and they did the kid. I think they threw some nuggets 478 00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:30.160 Kane and the Wyatts, Daniel Bryan and Vince and uh and then you know, 479 00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:33.279 a nice tables match, you know, a nice tables match at the 480 00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:37.599 end. But everything else was like these five minutes sound bite matches where everyone's 481 00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:40.519 kind of going through the motions a little bit. You didn't have that just 482 00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:44.640 really good standout match, and you didn't have a long Paul Hayman FROMO. 483 00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:48.559 So yeah, yeah, just it was middle of the road. I didn't 484 00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:52.400 dislike the show, but I was well, I didn't feel any I didn't 485 00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:53.400 really feel much passion for it, but I thought I got enough at the 486 00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:56.880 beginning and the end of the show to keep it from sinking. Into a 487 00:30:56.920 --> 00:31:00.519 thumbs down. Yeah, I'm with you there. Yeah, all right, 488 00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:04.960 Well let's go ahead and uh go to phone calls. Eric Code. Have 489 00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:07.279 we not taken a call yet, Jason, No, we haven't. You 490 00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:10.839 know. I said we're gonna get calls right away, and we're almost halfway 491 00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:12.440 into the show and I haven't got no a phone call. Those that darn 492 00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:17.480 total divas show. All right, let's let's rucalls Eric Code six one four 493 00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:21.960 and then on up on DAK six five four. State your name and where 494 00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:26.720 you're from, Jamal from Columbus, Ohio. And I am glad that you 495 00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:30.960 finally games phone calls. I'm glad. I'm gonna be aft member too. 496 00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:34.000 All right, cool, well, I'm glad you're glad. All right. 497 00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:40.440 Two things that I noticed last night watching Raw, and I wanted to get 498 00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:44.759 your perspective on it. When I saw the Zigler and Biggie match, I 499 00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:48.799 found myself being more impressed with Biggie just how Biggy is, how he's able 500 00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:53.079 to move around and keep up with Zigler, and watching it, I was 501 00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:59.880 just wondering, do you think there's more upside the Biggie than there is mister 502 00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:05.319 Siggles, Because I'm not convinced that he's gonna really live up to I guess 503 00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:07.920 what everyone's saying that he's gonna be. I'm just I just hadn't bought it. 504 00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:12.039 He just seems like he's gonna be like the mist the perfect, the 505 00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:15.920 utility play it out, never reached the I guess, the main event level, 506 00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:20.559 but we'll be in that in between that can bounce remain event but more 507 00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:22.599 mid card. Yeah, that's the ones to know your perspective on that. 508 00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:25.680 No, it's it's a good topic, Jason, take it first, then 509 00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:30.000 I'll reply. I still think there's more upset with Dolph Ziggler. I think 510 00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:35.920 that Dolph would be heal World Champion right now had it not been for the 511 00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:39.119 injury and WWE opting to shake things up, and because of that, it's 512 00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:44.039 going to take some time for him to develop as a baby face, and 513 00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:46.720 slowly but surely he's getting there. And Langston, I just don't know that 514 00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:51.319 he's the priority right now. I think that the emphasis is going to be 515 00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:54.599 on Dolf more than Langston. Hopefully they can get him over in the process 516 00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:58.359 here, but it just way it looks to me like unless they decided to 517 00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:02.079 really drag out the program between two that this is about elevating Dal's Ziggler more 518 00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:06.079 than than Langston and show just because of that. I think it's going to 519 00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:07.640 take a little more time, and Langston is just going to be a guy 520 00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:13.240 that is kind of hanging around for a while. Yeah, I mean, 521 00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:16.359 I don't I see where Jamal's coming from. And I and saying that, 522 00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:20.559 I still think deal Ziggler will have Let let's put this. I think deal 523 00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:23.720 Ziggler will make more money in the next eight years than Biggie will, if 524 00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:27.640 that's how we measure star power. I think Ziggler will be part of more 525 00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:30.200 big time matches and make more money and be in the main events more than 526 00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:34.359 Biggie. But that's not to say that Biggie won't be a millionaire by the 527 00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:37.039 time this is all said and done. Either a multimillionaire he could. I 528 00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:38.799 think there's something there. I'm not one hundred percent sold on it yet. 529 00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:45.240 I need to see more to see if he can get to the I don't 530 00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:50.000 see for sure it factor with him yet, but there's a lot of other 531 00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:53.480 pieces that are there that are above average, so we'll see. It's just 532 00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:58.079 I'm all wait and see. With Biggie with Ziggler. I just I see 533 00:33:58.160 --> 00:34:02.240 greatness in the ring. I think he's not given awful scripted promos and unnatural 534 00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:07.199 one liners and jokes to read that there's there's something there for sure on the 535 00:34:07.280 --> 00:34:10.519 microphone that just it's I won't say it's untapped, but it's not. It 536 00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:15.400 hasn't matured. They haven't figured out how to how to direct his sense of 537 00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:17.760 humor yet and the way that he talks. But he's a guy that I 538 00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:23.440 would unleash and not have as tethered and scripted as they do, because when 539 00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:27.000 he's on color commentary and he just acts like himself, he's more entertaining. 540 00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:29.639 But we just Jason, we just don't know who del Figgler is right now. 541 00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:32.280 He turned babyface and lost all momentum, and it's just he's stalled as 542 00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:36.639 a character and that's part of it. But we can't ignore how good he 543 00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:39.199 is in the ring and that that can make a difference in at the way 544 00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:43.840 WWW promotes today. And so that's why I still think there's there's more hope 545 00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:46.199 for him, even though it's been a really rough month. I invite you 546 00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:50.679 to email the show with feedback or questions. Or comments. That email address 547 00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:55.840 is Wade Keller Podcast at pewtorch dot com. That's Wade Keller Podcast at pwtorch 548 00:34:55.920 --> 00:35:00.199 dot com. Also welcome your feedback on Twitter. You can follow us on 549 00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:05.119 Twitter at pw torch and follow me at the Wade Keller. That's at PW 550 00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:13.440 Torch and at the Wade Keller. Exactly when I think they made the right 551 00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:15.920 call and not just putting the you know, having him quickly beat del Rio 552 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:20.239 and getting his title back because he was injured and all that, I think 553 00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:22.320 you tell the story with him, you let people take to him as a 554 00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:27.119 baby face before you go there. And as far as Biggie goes, can 555 00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:30.239 they please get him some new gear because I really didn't. You know, 556 00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:35.719 we had a wardrobe malfunction the week before and I saw way more of that 557 00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:40.079 man's backside than I needed to last night. Very good, Jamal, appreciate 558 00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:45.519 the call, and I also appreciate your VP membership very much. Let's keep 559 00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:49.119 your own through calls here and go next to six fives, promise, and 560 00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:51.280 then after that two eight, one, six, five, Oh, please 561 00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:54.000 state your name and where you're from. Hi. Wait, this is Dante 562 00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:58.920 and San Francisco. I first need to apologize. I called him yesterday and 563 00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:01.000 spoke to Bruce and at this and then after the phone call, I realized 564 00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:06.119 I had not identified myself. So the chat room was up in arms about 565 00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:12.000 it. That's on Bruce and Travis, you are a show. That on 566 00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:15.719 me too. I was. I was wowing Bruce with my appreciation as deep 567 00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:22.000 wrestling knowledge. So I can't really offer anything about Total Divas because I just 568 00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:24.079 have no interest in the show. I literally have no interest in watching this 569 00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:29.719 show. Though I will point out that I'm impressed by the two divas called 570 00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:34.639 Aj and Caitlin. I think that they're constantly improving as wrestlers, and I, 571 00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:37.239 you know, it's funny there's no focus on them whatsoever. Will they 572 00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:39.519 even be on the show? I have no idea. I just kind of 573 00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:45.519 find it ironic. So in terms of your comments about Sid being dead and 574 00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:47.920 a warrior, yeah, I think that's a pretty tough one. That those 575 00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:51.480 guys are pretty bad. But I want you to think back to a clash 576 00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:54.519 of the champions long ago, back in WCW days, when Sids faced the 577 00:36:54.760 --> 00:37:00.519 night Stocker. That's not one that was a terrible match, No, no, 578 00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:05.280 but that's but that's not my my criteria. And again this you can 579 00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:07.719 listen to Bruce and me discussed this that YouTube dot com slash PW Torch. 580 00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:13.920 There's a twelve minute clip of us there. In short, though, my 581 00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:21.679 rationale is Sidd's best ten matches we're better than warriors ten best matches, But 582 00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:29.599 Warrior's best match or two was probably better all taking everything into consideration than Sid's 583 00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:32.880 best two matches. Even though Sid had a passable match with Shawn Michaels for 584 00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:38.440 sure. You know, Warrior had a historically good, dramatic match against Whole 585 00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:40.480 Cooke and in part because it was built up so well, it was treated 586 00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:44.239 as a big deal. The the whole pomp and circumstances were great, and 587 00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:46.920 then the pinfall finish was just you know, jaw dropping for that moment in 588 00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:52.400 time. So so that is a that that just blows away anything Sid was 589 00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:54.039 ever involved in. But they both you know, as as Bruce Mitchell said 590 00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:58.880 in the clip that's at YouTube dot com slash PW Torch, Regrud said he 591 00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:01.760 could have a good match with any buddy in wrestling except Ultimate Warrior. Like 592 00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:05.559 it's just guys almost took it as a challenge, like can I go out 593 00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:07.519 there and have a watchable match with Warrior? And if you go back and 594 00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:12.199 watch Rick Rud and Warrior like I did last week from Summerslime, I think 595 00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:15.559 in nineteen ninety. I mean, it's it's just it could have been any 596 00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:20.159 weightlifter in an ultimate or outfit standing in the ring. Rude was just running 597 00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:22.760 circles around him, bouncing into, bouncing off of him, pulling him, 598 00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:25.400 you know, pulling into the ring side, and and and then I was 599 00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:31.239 just when you watch it through that lens, you understand how Warrior was just 600 00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:36.599 so limited. And when you watch Sid, he like every other move that 601 00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:39.639 he executed was okay, but every other move, the other half of his 602 00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:44.440 moves were like the worst versions of the move you will see from anybody on 603 00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:49.039 national TV. And so they're both just they were just awful main eventors in 604 00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:52.920 their own way, but they had other things going for themselves in terms of 605 00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:55.400 charisma, size, look, connection to the crowd of a certain extent. 606 00:38:57.320 --> 00:39:00.199 With Warrior, for sure, with Sid somewhat, they had other things going 607 00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:04.800 for him that made them somewhat useful. But they are not top tier main 608 00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:09.719 eventors in the by any means because they were so awful in some just I 609 00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:13.480 mean so anyway, Bruce Mitchell and I talked about that at more length than 610 00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:15.920 that YouTube clip. Jason, do you have a vote here? Who was 611 00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:19.039 the worst made of enter of the nineties Sid or Ultimate Warrior? Oh gosh, 612 00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:22.480 I knew you're going to drag me into this. I guess I lean 613 00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:27.760 Sid just be because Warrior did have those two memorable match and one with Hogan 614 00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:30.239 one with Savage, and I really struggled to remember good Sid matches, and 615 00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:35.440 as far as Rick rud Goes, did rudever work Sid, I'm struggling to 616 00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:37.679 I would assume the cross pats at some point. Yeah, but I still 617 00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:44.599 the Warrior Hogan match does fan of us SID. But I don't think it's 618 00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:46.599 because a Warrior. I think it's because the match was just intricately booked and 619 00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:51.360 laid out, and Sid didn't really have the benefit of that moment in history 620 00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:53.519 where he got to have this monumental match. But I know it is it 621 00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:59.079 is. We agree they're two awful main eventors. I don't think there's much 622 00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:00.840 disagreement on that in terms of, you know, the matches they produced and 623 00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:05.960 all that. But Sid Sid was a better athlete and had a wider range 624 00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:09.239 of moves that he could execute. But I don't know. I should just 625 00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:13.360 booked them both and have a legend show and then we'll just get them together 626 00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:20.360 in one main event. Oh god, no, sorry, no, it's 627 00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:23.480 fun. I don't don't apologize that Bruce was exasperated. Want to talk I 628 00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:27.320 hate both of these guys, Franklin, where I really wanted to go with 629 00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:29.960 this and I hate to just take truncate you and turn it over on. 630 00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:31.960 Yeah. I wanted to talk about Brad Maddox a bit. Yeah, that 631 00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:38.360 guy looked more like Eric Bishop's Sun than Eric Bishop's Sun years ago. What 632 00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:43.960 are you saying they had the idea with the idea with mister Kennedy where they 633 00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:47.719 were gonna they were gonna do a storyline where he was Vince is illegitimate son. 634 00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:52.880 Do you think, despite the hornswoggle fiasco a few years ago, do 635 00:40:53.000 --> 00:41:01.239 you think that this storyline could work again with Brad and Maddox as the illegitimate 636 00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:07.199 son of Vince. He's springing upon Vince as part of an ongoing storyline with 637 00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:10.960 all these McMahons and triple hs and Stephanie who I just can't really tolerate. 638 00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:15.199 I don't really like seeing any of their segments. They're not doing anything for 639 00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:20.679 me. Is this a possibility down the line in your both of your opinions, 640 00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:23.840 thanks that sure, I don't think it's a possibility. As a just 641 00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:27.880 a sidebar, I hate the term illegitimate. I hate labeling somebody born out 642 00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:30.480 of wedlock and abandoned by their father as illegitimate, just because of all that 643 00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:34.400 term is used in other circumstances, So that's more of a It's just a 644 00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:37.960 term that's carried over from another era when people judged children unfairly based on what 645 00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:39.960 their parents did. So that's just a side note. I hate that term. 646 00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:43.679 I'd rather say long loss on or whatever. But no, I don't. 647 00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:47.119 I don't see them wanting to give any kind of a rub karic Bischoff 648 00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:53.239 by bringing his name into the Bradmatic situation. I agree Jason, I agree 649 00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:58.519 Dante that there's a resemblance there in some of their mannerisms and that kind of 650 00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:02.800 thing. But I like I find Maddox kind of funny and endearing in a 651 00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:07.880 weird, kind of quirky, nervous way, and I think there's a difference 652 00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:14.320 there than Eric Bischoff, who didn't just personality wise had a more more more 653 00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:17.760 of an just always had kind of an arrogance to him there. And I 654 00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:21.440 don't see Maddox having that ahead Jason, Yeah, I was gonna say, 655 00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:25.599 Bischoff, you know, it just came across cocky where Maddox I think does 656 00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:30.719 when he wants to, but he doesn't always where Eric. I mean, 657 00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:32.360 I guess if I went back to the AWA, maybe i'd find some stuff 658 00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:37.159 with him as an announcer where they did where he didn't come across cocky, 659 00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:40.679 but just the WCW years, even when he wasn't trying to, it still 660 00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:45.639 felt like there was a level of cockyness. Eric Bischoff, Right, yeah, 661 00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:49.400 yeah, I at we see there's alms, but no no. I 662 00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:52.880 and I just I think from a storyline standpoint, I think with drag Maddox 663 00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:54.599 down at this point to bring that up, I think Eric Bischoff has a 664 00:42:54.719 --> 00:43:00.519 relevant on air figure has played itself out. I don't think I think he 665 00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:04.440 was asking about vinch Am. I I could be, oh, oh you 666 00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:06.719 know what, well, let me. I think we just took a strange 667 00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:08.400 path in getting there, because that was kind of thrown off. Yeah, 668 00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:12.719 let me go away, because I probably assumed where you're going with that and 669 00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:15.639 then didn't pay close attention to you running out. You want to know if 670 00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:17.840 you wor Yeah, so, and I do remember now that i'm thinking about 671 00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:22.000 it, you're saying, what if Maddox is a long lost son of instinct? 672 00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:25.159 Man? Right? Exactly. It's sort of the frus of why he's 673 00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:28.639 being brought into the gym. You know, he got moved into the general 674 00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:31.119 manager role. It got called out by Vince. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 675 00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:37.440 I'll disagree, and then Maddox will pull this card out o way of 676 00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:42.119 a stirting control. Okay, something stripolate and Stephanie over to the side. 677 00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:46.599 Yeah that's yeah, because he has because Vince basically does have a son, 678 00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:51.559 but that Sun has no involvement in the resting picture anymore. So this is 679 00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:58.360 like the Sun he always wanted to take over his company. Did you start 680 00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:07.320 out with Maddox laying the surprise on, slowly warming to the idea and it 681 00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:09.559 could be drawn out over a long period of time. Yeah, Jason, 682 00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:13.480 all right? With that? Really better than having to put up with, 683 00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:16.719 you know, with these endless things between Stephanie Triple H and Vince, which 684 00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:22.079 really are just completely frustrating. It's frustrating to watch these these people. They're 685 00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:27.800 just they're so tone deaf to in my opinion, into what we should be 686 00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:30.400 seeing out there on TV. Yeah, okay, j Jason, let me 687 00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:32.719 jump in down there. I want to get the Jason on this. Jason, 688 00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:37.880 do you do you think Vince would introduce a long lost Suns storyline wise 689 00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:43.280 or is that kind of sacred ground to make somebody an honorary McMahon essentially? 690 00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:45.199 Well, I mean they have before. They've done it with they were going 691 00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:50.119 to do with Kennedy, they kind of did it briefly with Hornswoggle. It 692 00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:52.920 just it kind of almost feels like we've we've been there and done that. 693 00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:57.440 And boy, if you're if you don't want to see endless Triple H and 694 00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:00.719 Stephanie McMahon segments, and you should not want this to happened, because that's 695 00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:02.480 exactly what it would lead to. A right, Yeah, I agree. 696 00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:09.559 Searching for more great pro wrestling talk, then join me Jason Powell host him 697 00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:14.639 to three weekly Pro Wrestling Boom podcast. Each week, he'll hear the latest 698 00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:16.880 news and analysis for me and my team at pro wrestling dot net along with 699 00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:22.519 other pro wrestling media members, Plus the Pro Wrestling Boom podcast features long form 700 00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:25.519 interviews with notable names in the pro wrestling industry. Subscribe an I team and 701 00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:30.039 Stitcher, downcast and all your favorite secondary apps, or visit us directly at 702 00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:40.360 pwboom dot com. Once again, that's pwboom dot com. Dante. My 703 00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:44.159 thought is, no, they won't go that way. I don't think they 704 00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:46.400 have to. But I think they can do the next. Not I will 705 00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:51.199 say the next best thing, but the next the next closest thing, which 706 00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:54.599 is have been essentially kind of adopt him, you know, like take have 707 00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:58.360 him be. He can say, you know, you don't I don't think 708 00:45:58.360 --> 00:46:00.760 he wants to be have people read it that if he says, you know, 709 00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:02.119 you're the son I never had or anything like that. But you know, 710 00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:05.719 I think Vince could go you're like a son to me, and and 711 00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:08.440 and really kind of take him on as a as a protege of his and 712 00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:15.599 and and have that dynamic without having to make people think that that that you 713 00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:21.440 know that that that maddox is a product of an affair from you know, 714 00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:23.800 twenty some years ago, like when he huged Derek Bischoff on the stage and 715 00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:29.079 something magically happened. Well, I don't know about that. That that was 716 00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:30.400 okay, we don't have to check the film, but I don't want to, 717 00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:35.480 all right, Dante. Thanks, Thanks. Let's let's go to a 718 00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:38.239 couple of the calls here. UH six four six seven two one nine eight 719 00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:39.800 two eight is our number. By the way, if you want to give 720 00:46:39.880 --> 00:46:43.719 us a call live on the show. UH six four six seven two one 721 00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:46.679 nine eight two eight. Let's go to UH Erico two eight one two eight 722 00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:52.199 one. Please state your name and where you're from. Yes, is Justin 723 00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:53.320 from Dallas. Hey Justin, Thanks for Colin. What have you got? 724 00:46:53.400 --> 00:47:00.360 First? I really questioned about something that happened almost ten years ago, probably 725 00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:05.480 give a take. It was a braw fraw. I've always heard that this 726 00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:08.519 was a pretty pretty much a debacle, and I was kind of too young. 727 00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:13.719 I remember it happening, but too young to remember exactly how it went 728 00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:16.320 and what's what was going on. I just wanted a little enlightenment on that, 729 00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:20.559 to get your off take on it than Justin. Before I go, 730 00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:25.719 do you have a like a Amazon Kindle or Barnes and Noble, Nook or 731 00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:31.079 Apple eyebook account. No, I don't use any of that. Do you 732 00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:37.440 read books? No, No, it's not an audiobook. It's not happened. 733 00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:39.639 Okay, Oh, that's what I'm checking out. Because Bob Holly's book 734 00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:45.320 was as good of a first hand account from a participant who was friends and 735 00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:53.400 with other participants, I would recommend reading his book, or at least going 736 00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:57.039 to the bookstore and reading that chapter. It's less than ten bucks to buy 737 00:47:57.039 --> 00:47:58.719 it in a bookstore. It might be a good reason to pull out a 738 00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:01.159 you know, get a membership or just you know, order it off Mzon 739 00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:05.280 or whatever. But if you're fascinated by that and and you were a kid 740 00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:09.000 watching it and want to know the inside story on it, Bob Bob Holly's 741 00:48:09.159 --> 00:48:15.079 autobiography is I'm serious. It's a really good account of what happened behind the 742 00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:21.559 scenes and why that happened. In short, the you know it was it 743 00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:22.599 was set up to be. It was set up to be real fights. 744 00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:27.679 It was uh. The idea was that Steve Doctor Williams would win and that 745 00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:31.239 would set him up as a legitimate badass who would then be a top orld 746 00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:37.920 title contender. And it just didn't it showed vincentman and and wwe why they 747 00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:42.840 orchestrate fights because when they're real fights, things do not go as planned and 748 00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:45.960 everything got messed up. But but yeah, ww we booked it with with 749 00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:51.320 expectations of how it would go, and it went differently and they never did 750 00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:53.800 it again, and uh, and it was kind of embarrassing for for Doc 751 00:48:54.079 --> 00:48:59.000 Jason anything. The end of that. Oh, I wish they'd release a 752 00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:01.599 best of the brawl for all DBD. I'd love to go back and relive 753 00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:05.159 some of that. It would be like ten minutes long, because the best 754 00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:07.480 true true. But maybe we can get some backstage comments and you know, 755 00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:12.039 all the fifty quick one hour documentary. It'd be better than some of the 756 00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:15.400 stuff we've seen them but out, Yeah, it was a strange, strange 757 00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:17.880 time. But yeah, I still need to read Bob Always book. I'm 758 00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:21.440 looking forward to that section of it for sure. The whole the whole book's 759 00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:23.119 good. I mean, here's a guest on the live on this very livecast 760 00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:28.239 the interview Friday format a couple months ago. We are running by the way 761 00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:32.119 in the Progressing Torch newsletter. A transcript of that interview in the pages of 762 00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:36.840 the prosing Torch Newsletter, So if you are v IP member, check that 763 00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:39.000 out. We'll have another installment this week, and if you're not, I 764 00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:44.719 can transition into a plug for it. 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And so the VP aftershows often are 823 00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:44.880 the most compelling part of the interviews, and that's where, you know, 824 00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:47.039 we really go in depth on some of the behind the scenes, backstage stuff. 825 00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:52.000 So again, Pwtorch dot com slash go vi IP is halp to sign 826 00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:54.760 up for that. We're gonna take another call or two and then stay tuned 827 00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:59.280 because Jason Powell at Progressing dot Net has a website and a membership side, 828 00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:01.039 and he'll be talking about that in just a couple of minutes. But first 829 00:54:01.400 --> 00:54:06.760 let's go to our next caller, which is Johnny I think from Hollywood. 830 00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:09.880 Are you still from Hollywood, Johnny? Yes, this is Johnny from Hollywood, 831 00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:14.719 both p W Torch v i T member as well as a Pro Wrestling 832 00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:19.719 dot Net v i T member. Awesome up the day caller of the day. 833 00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:22.000 Yeah, appreciate your business and your support. What have you got first, 834 00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:25.679 Johnny? Okay, no problem, Okay. My first question has to 835 00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:30.159 deal with Cody Rhodes. Recently, you know, they've been up or you 836 00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:34.679 know, more specied with Bamian Sam Now they've been over pushing that he's a 837 00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:38.679 like an uncollowed world champion, which also has it. It makes it seem 838 00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:44.360 as he's gonna eventually lose that briefcase. Do you think he might or end 839 00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:49.360 up not losing brief but you know, cashing in and failing. But Alice 840 00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:52.239 throwing out the possibility, do you think he might lose the briefcase to Cody 841 00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:59.280 Rhodes down the road, Jason, what do you think that has been rumored? 842 00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:02.280 And watching the way everything played out on SmackDown this week, I think 843 00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:06.440 they're heading in that direction. I don't know how they get there. I 844 00:55:06.519 --> 00:55:08.400 can't say I like the idea, but I do like I like what I've 845 00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:10.920 seen from Cody as a baby based at least on SmackDown. I mean, 846 00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:15.119 they're giving him wins on rawway, but they're not giving him any mic time. 847 00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:19.800 If you watch him on SmackDown, it's been I've at least I've been 848 00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:23.960 very impressed with the charism shown on the mic and Raw. Its just some 849 00:55:24.079 --> 00:55:27.960 of those SmackDown guys. I don't think they get to wrestle like Christian. 850 00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:31.639 It gets to wrestle and that's about it. You can support us on Patreon 851 00:55:31.800 --> 00:55:36.639 and get these shows with ads and plugs removed, the weight Killer prossing podcast, 852 00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:39.320 weight Killer Processing post shows, and the PW torch daily casts throughout the 853 00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:45.159 week with ads and plugs removed, plus a few bonus vi IP shows throughout 854 00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:47.079 the month. For just four dollars and ninety nine cents a month, check 855 00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:52.639 it out patreon dot com slash PW torch v i P. That's patreon dot 856 00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:57.880 com slash PW torch VIP and you can also upgrade two other tiers and receive 857 00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:06.559 even more benefits through Patreon. Yeah. Yeah, I think maybe once every 858 00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:08.960 seven years you should have the winner of the money in the bank briefcase lose 859 00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:12.599 the money in the bank briefcase, and only if it's booked really well. 860 00:56:14.920 --> 00:56:16.880 But otherwise, I just think you have to protect the gimmick, the integrity 861 00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:20.960 of it, and make it seem like it's not transferable. But I but 862 00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:23.199 I just think Cody feuding with Damien is fun. I the briefcase is gone 863 00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:27.320 is and adjacent is in its film The Gulf of Mexico. Apparently. Yeah, 864 00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:30.119 Damien Sando is a very smart guy that apparently he can't swim right. 865 00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:34.559 He's been used to busy reading books, I suppose, Yeah, and by 866 00:56:34.599 --> 00:56:37.440 the way, I'm watching Bart Gunn bradshob or all for all. I don't 867 00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:43.480 forget what I said about the DVD. Yes, I know when I say 868 00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:49.159 best of eight minutes is probably stretching it. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, 869 00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:51.119 no, I agree. I think smack Down Smackown's fun. That the 870 00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:53.119 angle with the Gulf of Mexico thing was was what's fun. Damien Sando was 871 00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:57.000 just really good at what he does. Oh he's actually Yeah. No, 872 00:56:57.039 --> 00:56:59.119 I think both these guys are a lot of fun. That it is a 873 00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:02.000 concern though, that year you have two guys are trying to elevate working against 874 00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:07.599 one another again, I know, yes, I know. I mean when 875 00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:08.960 take teams break up, I don't think the best thing to do is to 876 00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:12.800 necessarily has them feud with one another. And it sounds counterintuitive, but a 877 00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:14.880 lot of times it just doesn't work, you know. I mean, there's 878 00:57:14.920 --> 00:57:17.920 just teams that wrestlers when they break ups. Usually I think when a team 879 00:57:17.960 --> 00:57:21.440 breaks up, it should be because one guy is breaking out as a single 880 00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:23.400 star and leaving the other guy behind. You know that that's usually the reason 881 00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:27.000 to break up a tag team. It doesn't mean the other guys, you 882 00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:30.519 know, just having his career just disappear. But the other guy just, 883 00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:34.039 you know, should should be looking for a new tag partner or be mid 884 00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:36.360 card. But the reason you break up a take team is because somebody else 885 00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:38.880 is gonna rise and become a huge start, like Shawn Michael's and Marty Genette's 886 00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:43.360 a perfect example. You know, they broke up because Sean was he was 887 00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:45.159 too good to be in the Take team anymore. With Seto and Cody, 888 00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:46.800 it kind of gets the idea that they're kind of equals. You know, 889 00:57:46.840 --> 00:57:51.400 they both have a relatively equal chance to move up the card, and they're 890 00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:52.719 in about the same spot. And then you don't really know what you gain 891 00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:57.360 from from the feud at that point. All right, up, next, 892 00:57:57.480 --> 00:57:59.840 let's go to air code six o nine and then on Tex six one six. 893 00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:02.840 Our phone number is six four six seven two one nine eight two eight. 894 00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:07.119 I'm Wade Keller joined by Jason Powell. Jason Powell of Pro Wrestling dot 895 00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:10.800 Net and I am Wade Keller of p Wtorch dot com and now a new 896 00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:14.000 YouTube channel. Do you haven't signed up yet? Sign up right now? 897 00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:17.719 Like, well wait, we'll wait. Hold on YouTube dot com. Slash 898 00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:22.679 p W t O r C H and then click subscribe. Thank you all 899 00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:27.239 right, let's go to Eric code six o nine. Thanks for holding. 900 00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:30.840 Please state your name and where you're from. Guys, what's going on is 901 00:58:31.159 --> 00:58:37.159 Joey, I didn't understand your name. Say again, I'm sorry, Joe 902 00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:40.400 from the Lake City. Joe from Salt Lake City, Atlantic Shitty Atlantic City, 903 00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:43.639 Oklatic City. We got a weird connection. Oh go ahead, Joe. 904 00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:47.239 Thanks for colin now. I was just wondering what you guys said about 905 00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:52.519 the wady packaged RPD. It's somewhat like D he haven't completely out there is 906 00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:55.920 like a legend or a legacy with no rule, no direction. Every week 907 00:58:55.960 --> 00:59:00.199 he's just begging a different guy. I agree with that. I comment on 908 00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:02.599 this on my Keller Hotline last night after Rod Jason that RvDs right back. 909 00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:06.559 Why it kind of always ends up just kind of a guy to do some 910 00:59:06.679 --> 00:59:09.159 spots and be a star in the mid card. I you know, you 911 00:59:09.199 --> 00:59:13.000 know what I said when when T and A signed our VD over three years 912 00:59:13.039 --> 00:59:15.440 ago. Don't bother to have him around if you're not going to do something 913 00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:20.239 that he can feel passionate about and that his fans can get invested in and 914 00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:22.599 right now he's just out there just you know, Fandango walked out of the 915 00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:25.920 ring and rvd's left. You know, I'm thinking of the free s jum 916 00:59:25.960 --> 00:59:28.880 Cornett would be using, but I won't use it on the show. But 917 00:59:28.960 --> 00:59:30.960 you know, he's just standing there, shrugging his shoulder looking at the crowd, 918 00:59:31.039 --> 00:59:34.360 going that was weird. You know, I just don't think that's why 919 00:59:34.519 --> 00:59:37.280 you run vignettes for weeks and weeks and built up RBD to come back. 920 00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:39.719 I think fans want to see RVD and something meaningful that will be memorable. 921 00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:43.800 And now he's just another guy filling out five, six, seven, eight 922 00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:46.840 minutes or you know, occasionally asked to do a lot more. What do 923 00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:50.599 you think. Yeah, he doesn't even have a program right now. He's 924 00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:54.880 wrestling anyone. And I hated the Fandango thing. I've defended it before. 925 00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:59.760 Wait about the count ouch that the heat goes on him rather than the company, 926 00:59:59.800 --> 01:00:02.159 But I've done it too many times now. It's just there's no direction 927 01:00:02.239 --> 01:00:06.360 with it. It's not like it's leading to someone getting him in a type 928 01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:07.719 of match where he has to stay in the ring or anything. It's just 929 01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:10.639 no, it's very easy cop out finish and now I can't stand it. 930 01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:15.920 But with Rob and I know spoilers on SmackDown as far as who gets the 931 01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:20.800 title shot or anything, even though that's that that took place last Thursday. 932 01:00:21.159 --> 01:00:24.719 But I guess we'll wait and see on that. Uh, if it's not 933 01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:29.159 him, I don't know what I mean, we haven't seen any interaction yet 934 01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:31.760 with Rob band Damn and Paul Hayman. How bizarre is that? I know 935 01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:35.159 that is what and maybe that's what they're saving, you know, maybe they're 936 01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:37.480 saving up for that moment and just let Rob kind of reintroduce himself to the 937 01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:42.159 audience and then the time will come and we'll get you know, Robin Damn 938 01:00:42.159 --> 01:00:45.719 against Curtis Saxela, Robin Damn against brock Lesner or I don't know what, 939 01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:51.239 or maybe our VD ends up associating with Hayman at some point. But yeah, 940 01:00:51.320 --> 01:00:53.840 I just I'm I'm just kind of the same old story with Rob once 941 01:00:53.840 --> 01:01:00.000 again. I don't would Punk against URVD interest you if rbds A heel? 942 01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:02.960 Yeah that's what? Yeah, Yeah, for sure RBD was do align with 943 01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:06.800 Hayment. Oh yeah, yeah, I like that. Okay, yep, 944 01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:08.360 yeah, I mean they both can have kicks, you know, and and 945 01:01:09.079 --> 01:01:14.159 they both got not a history that cross paths, but a but a history 946 01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:17.400 of the they've each followed kind of a similar path for their time, but 947 01:01:17.440 --> 01:01:21.079 about eight years apart. You know, it's kind of the hardcore favorite. 948 01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:24.519 They were part of the number three promotion and the star of the number three 949 01:01:24.519 --> 01:01:28.840 promotion for a while. And and they both are known for kind of having 950 01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:30.440 a rubbing people the wrong way in acting how they you know, just saying 951 01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:34.280 what they what they think and how they feel behind the scenes without a filter. 952 01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:38.519 You know, there's some differences straight edge versus pothead. But still I 953 01:01:38.519 --> 01:01:44.559 shouldn't say pothead, pot advocate, pot legal legalizing pot advocate, podead like 954 01:01:44.599 --> 01:01:46.960 it's a negative. Well, it can be if you're trying to get something 955 01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:50.639 accomplished and not just sit around and feel good in each chips. But there's 956 01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:52.280 something to be said for sitting around and feeling good in eating chips too. 957 01:01:52.719 --> 01:02:00.440 But but nevertheless, if you have aspirations, like you know, to have 958 01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:02.960 a great career, it probably isn't a good thing if you're a wrestler because 959 01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:07.000 w W WE will probably notice and have noticed, and it has worked against 960 01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:09.000 people before, but yes it has. Yes, there there's a there, 961 01:02:09.079 --> 01:02:13.239 there's a time and a place, Jason, you know exactly. Yes, 962 01:02:13.719 --> 01:02:15.559 all right, glad we made it through that. All right, let's go 963 01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:19.880 to without too much damage. Let's go to UH six one six next. 964 01:02:19.960 --> 01:02:22.960 Thanks for holding. Please state your name and where you're from. This is 965 01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:25.719 there from Grand Rapids. I have a I have a question and you have 966 01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:31.159 a question. A question for Okay, there's my training. I knew it, 967 01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:36.920 No, I got it, I got it back. I just wondered, 968 01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:39.320 what is Mark Henry gonna get over on the shield And I've only been 969 01:02:39.800 --> 01:02:43.719 we fall wrestled for two day if years? What happens between Shane events? 970 01:02:43.800 --> 01:02:45.440 I didn't, I didn't. I'm right to the game when your callers, 971 01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:49.599 when your callers was bringing up and I didn't know. I don't know what. 972 01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:51.920 I don't know what really happened. So that that's all I got, 973 01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:53.360 you know what? Take just just give me a condensed version on that. 974 01:02:53.519 --> 01:03:00.000 Thank Yeah, yeah, sure, Mark Henry in the shield first, Jason, 975 01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:01.320 and you know last night he beat him up, you know, after 976 01:03:01.400 --> 01:03:05.960 the loss. I don't know. I'm not sure where it's going, but 977 01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:07.920 I mean, I'm not I'm not against it. It seems like the right 978 01:03:07.960 --> 01:03:09.800 place for Mark Henry to land. I'd like to I'd like to hear from 979 01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:13.159 Mark Henry, you know, and have him talk about the Shield and what 980 01:03:13.199 --> 01:03:15.880 they did to him and keep you know, he's so good on the microphone. 981 01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:17.079 I hate for even a week to go by where we don't kind of 982 01:03:17.440 --> 01:03:21.199 have Henry talking about where he is and what he wants to do, and 983 01:03:21.400 --> 01:03:24.280 you know what his motivation is, right, I mean, It's been reported 984 01:03:24.280 --> 01:03:28.559 by the Wrestling Observer that the match they were going with its SummerSlam is the 985 01:03:28.679 --> 01:03:31.079 Shield against Big Show and Mark Henry, so I guess it would be a 986 01:03:31.159 --> 01:03:36.159 handicap match. I can't stand that idea. The match we saw last night 987 01:03:36.239 --> 01:03:38.199 is the one that I think just makes more sense. But because we saw 988 01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:42.599 it last night with the USOS and Mark Henry teaming against the Shield, I 989 01:03:43.079 --> 01:03:45.760 do think that's what they have in mind. It's the handicap. I just 990 01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:49.719 think the Shield are beneath working anybody, even guys the size of Henry and 991 01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:52.360 Show in a handicap match weight, I'd rather see them, I'd call me 992 01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:57.000 crazy. I'd rather see them actually, like even include the Great Collie if 993 01:03:57.000 --> 01:03:59.320 they had to just to even the sides of I just think it sounds a 994 01:03:59.360 --> 01:04:01.280 bad message. It does. It says an awful message when you have three 995 01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:04.719 heels against two baby faces. It says these heels are not you know, 996 01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:08.320 that they're weaker than the two of them. I don't. I don't like 997 01:04:08.440 --> 01:04:11.360 that at all. I'm with you. As for Shane and Vince, I 998 01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:14.679 mean, I don't think there was. I mean, Jason, you asked 999 01:04:14.719 --> 01:04:15.880 the question a lot at the time. I'm sure with your sources, I 1000 01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:20.079 did the same thing. People either don't know or won't say. It's usually 1001 01:04:20.119 --> 01:04:25.280 they don't know it's family business. I don't know that there was a Well, 1002 01:04:25.719 --> 01:04:29.400 the short of it is is it became abundantly clear Stephanie was going to 1003 01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:31.119 be the one of the two that was going to be running the company, 1004 01:04:31.559 --> 01:04:35.639 and Shane had other aspirations and wanted to make it on his own. And 1005 01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:39.599 who can blame him, you know, he's going on forty years old and 1006 01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:41.599 had worked for his daddy. Wanted to see, you know, what can 1007 01:04:41.639 --> 01:04:45.400 he do out there in the real world, outside of the outside of the 1008 01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:50.000 protective cocoon of of your family business, you know, and not that there 1009 01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:55.519 aren't trials and tribulations and challenges and stress of being you know, in a 1010 01:04:55.599 --> 01:04:59.760 family business. There are, but you know that, you know, there's 1011 01:04:59.800 --> 01:05:02.719 a in a way you get you obviously get an upper hand in terms of 1012 01:05:02.880 --> 01:05:06.840 getting promotions and you know, getting opportunities if you're the son or daughter of 1013 01:05:06.920 --> 01:05:10.199 the promoter. So I think Shane went out and try to try to its 1014 01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:13.480 own. But Jason, for people you talked to, were you ever able 1015 01:05:13.519 --> 01:05:16.360 to assess whether it was a bitter, uh, you know, disappointing, 1016 01:05:16.440 --> 01:05:21.880 heartbreaking separation or more of you know, slightly awkward but got to happen type 1017 01:05:21.920 --> 01:05:27.480 situation. I believe the latter, you know, and it's McMahons and something 1018 01:05:27.599 --> 01:05:30.320 like that. They're gonna keep as quiet as as they possibly can, you 1019 01:05:30.360 --> 01:05:34.679 know, I mean, it's Shane and Vince have been photographed together to backstage 1020 01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:40.440 and MSG and so I believe they're on decent terms now, Miners. You 1021 01:05:40.519 --> 01:05:45.199 know, the best explanation I got for was that Shane just kind of realized 1022 01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:48.880 that sometimes it's easier to have a good relationship with your father and the grandfather 1023 01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:53.760 of your children when it's it's more not so much at a distance, but 1024 01:05:53.880 --> 01:05:57.719 just not twenty four seven exactly, and he just wanted to go out and 1025 01:05:58.079 --> 01:06:00.679 become his own man and he's done that. Ye yep. I think that's 1026 01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:03.360 a good assessment. You know, there wasn't a big scandal or a big 1027 01:06:03.400 --> 01:06:11.639 breakup, and whatever complicated relationship Shane and Vince have has been kept understandably private. 1028 01:06:11.880 --> 01:06:15.119 I mean, there's just no reason that part of WWW would have been 1029 01:06:15.159 --> 01:06:24.400 exposed to anybody for them to gossip about it, exactly. Yep. Longing 1030 01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:29.360 for some nostalgia or maybe you want to learn some wrestling history, don't miss 1031 01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:33.280 the Nineties Pass cast every Friday on the PW Torch Daily Cast Feed. Alex 1032 01:06:33.360 --> 01:06:38.480 and Patrick will transport you thirty years into the past by taking you through the 1033 01:06:38.559 --> 01:06:43.760 Torch issue from that very week. Follow news from the WWF and WCW and 1034 01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:47.400 all the happenings from across the wrestling industry in real time as The Torch reported 1035 01:06:47.480 --> 01:06:51.840 it thirty years ago. That's the nineties Pass cast every Friday on the PW 1036 01:06:53.079 --> 01:07:09.920 Torch Daily Cast Feed. All right, let's go to U eight six two. 1037 01:07:10.400 --> 01:07:15.800 It's extuple stage name and where you're from? Kylin from North New Jersey. 1038 01:07:15.280 --> 01:07:19.480 What have you out? First? Kaylin, who who do you guys 1039 01:07:19.639 --> 01:07:30.360 think this August one needs mystery persons? Isna, Jason, we got a 1040 01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:34.920 TNA question? Yeah, and I don't know. I mean, Adam Pierce 1041 01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:40.599 is dropping hints like it could be him asking you a question August first, 1042 01:07:40.719 --> 01:07:45.000 and I think Batiste has rejected it saying it's not him, which shouldn't surprise 1043 01:07:45.039 --> 01:07:47.920 anyone hardcore. Holly I think I said it's not him, and TNA actually 1044 01:07:48.039 --> 01:07:53.039 ran I think Holly and Pierces. So I was I thought, well, 1045 01:07:53.079 --> 01:07:56.800 Pierce would be great for this, but then Tianna actually ran his response on 1046 01:07:56.920 --> 01:07:59.719 their website, which made me think, Okay, it's not him. So 1047 01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:01.840 that just kind of brought me back to square one way, and I'm not 1048 01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:05.320 really sure. Yeah, no, I'm not at all either. I don't 1049 01:08:05.360 --> 01:08:08.880 even really have a guest. I haven't put a ton of ton of thought 1050 01:08:08.920 --> 01:08:12.519 into it, so I'm just not much not much good on that on that 1051 01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:16.640 side of things, Jason. Let's let's transition into a plug for your membership. 1052 01:08:16.720 --> 01:08:19.159 Let people know, first of all, I bought your website and your 1053 01:08:19.159 --> 01:08:23.479 apps and your podcasts and your membership. Absolutely, I'm gonna make this a 1054 01:08:23.560 --> 01:08:27.079 quickie today because I know we've got to get through more phone calls and so 1055 01:08:27.319 --> 01:08:30.319 real quick. If for the latest on pro wrestling news and commentary, head 1056 01:08:30.359 --> 01:08:33.800 on over two Pro Wrestling dot Net. I've got my WWE Rock hit list 1057 01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:36.760 up. 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Very cool, Thank you, Jason, and we're 1083 01:10:13.279 --> 01:10:15.920 gonna shock people here, but we're gonna play out to music and go to 1084 01:10:16.119 --> 01:10:19.159 the VP after show because both of us are little tighter on time this week 1085 01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:23.760 the normal, and we've gone past the one hour mark and we've got some 1086 01:10:23.840 --> 01:10:29.000 email questions waiting for us, So we will do that Jason and talk to 1087 01:10:29.680 --> 01:10:35.560 everybody next week. But I'll be back on Friday with the Peutorch livecast Interview 1088 01:10:35.600 --> 01:10:40.640 Friday format, and of course tomorrow Pettic Neil Johnny fair Play, who's works 1089 01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:43.920 both in pro wrestling and reality television, talking about Total Divas, So i 1090 01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:46.319 can't get enough discussion on that, and I'm looking forward to Johnny fair Play's 1091 01:10:46.319 --> 01:10:50.680 insight into that. 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As always, 1100 01:11:26.760 --> 01:11:30.199 thanks the kids on Bridges for the original music for the Pwteorge live test. 1101 01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:32.520 Check them out on iTunes where now. In the v id aftershow portion 1102 01:11:32.760 --> 01:11:40.119 of the program, Jason, we did a of what lately has been a 1103 01:11:40.199 --> 01:11:43.039 record short PW twrche live cast. But maybe that has something to do with 1104 01:11:43.159 --> 01:11:46.039 the pretape formaunt of raw and the lack of the density of major angles on 1105 01:11:46.079 --> 01:11:48.720 the show, so that we weren't just you know, losing track of time. 1106 01:11:48.800 --> 01:11:51.439 And heck we did vote at the first twenty minutes to total viither. 1107 01:11:53.239 --> 01:11:57.199 Yeah, at you wasn't a particularly news worthy addition of raw, even if 1108 01:11:57.199 --> 01:12:00.359 figure somebody who's getten would read the spoilers, I think you get to come 1109 01:12:00.399 --> 01:12:02.640 out last night show, you know, maybe entertained by it at the same 1110 01:12:02.680 --> 01:12:08.039 time going which something would have happened. Yep, Well let's talk a little 1111 01:12:08.079 --> 01:12:11.600 TENA here we got VAT member Stephen Burns and Glasgow Scotman. It says two 1112 01:12:11.600 --> 01:12:15.279 put TENA questions. I was very annoyed watching himpact last week is a main 1113 01:12:15.319 --> 01:12:17.800 focus after Chris Saban won the title, wasn't building him up as champion, 1114 01:12:18.159 --> 01:12:21.279 but instead was centered on what will Hulk Hogan do about the TENA world title 1115 01:12:23.279 --> 01:12:25.439 Apart from a small appearance at the start of the show, Save and it 1116 01:12:25.479 --> 01:12:27.800 was barely mentioned until the last segment, despite the fact that he could have 1117 01:12:27.840 --> 01:12:30.479 been stripped of the world title he just won. How do you feel about 1118 01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:32.880 Hogan being able to turn a show after a big championship change to focus on 1119 01:12:32.960 --> 01:12:35.319 what he will do? And how can Dixie Carter not see how this affects 1120 01:12:35.319 --> 01:12:40.680 for the rest of the program. So first your thoughts on that, Jason, 1121 01:12:40.720 --> 01:12:43.279 Obviously, I'm just disappointed. I think Sabin. I mean, if 1122 01:12:43.279 --> 01:12:45.359 you're good, his same thing was Rob vanem If you're good to do it 1123 01:12:45.439 --> 01:12:47.239 go all the way or don't do it, And there's no chance for saving 1124 01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:50.359 to get over if the show isn't about the guy who's delivering in the ring, 1125 01:12:50.479 --> 01:12:54.720 and it's just it just I don't know. Yeah, it's maddening. 1126 01:12:55.359 --> 01:12:59.840 It is. And Hulkogan, it's whether it's his fault or they just right 1127 01:13:00.079 --> 01:13:02.199 him this way doesn't even matter to me. It's just he's not the right 1128 01:13:02.239 --> 01:13:06.319 guy to be the face of this company or any company. In twenty thirteen. 1129 01:13:06.600 --> 01:13:11.399 There's a role for Hulk Coogan in pro wrestling certainly, and I appreciate 1130 01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:15.800 the good that he's done in pro wrestling, but it's twenty thirteen and you 1131 01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:18.560 know, as far and Chris sab and it's like, I want to be 1132 01:13:18.600 --> 01:13:21.720 a fighting champion, so I want to have a champion versus champion, which 1133 01:13:21.800 --> 01:13:26.920 usually means non title match against the winner of the X division title, which 1134 01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:32.600 is manic, which is just a complete cluster mess of a storyline. He 1135 01:13:32.880 --> 01:13:36.439 wait, why is he maskless? And then he's not? And what the 1136 01:13:36.600 --> 01:13:42.920 hell? I know somebody emailed me and asked that same question, why do 1137 01:13:43.000 --> 01:13:44.880 you show who he is and tell his real name? And then he's back 1138 01:13:44.920 --> 01:13:45.920 under a mask again. I mean, I know, Raymisterio didn't have a 1139 01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:48.479 mask, and then he did again, but he's still Raymisterio and it's two 1140 01:13:48.520 --> 01:13:53.720 different companies. I mean, it's not wwe shouldn't pay for dens of w 1141 01:13:53.880 --> 01:13:57.840 c W and their bad decision to unmask Ray Maisterio, right, and the 1142 01:13:57.880 --> 01:14:00.039 fact that they didn't even decide to provide a story for it. It's like, 1143 01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:03.880 well, we need a mask guy, but we want to transition away 1144 01:14:03.920 --> 01:14:09.319 from the horrible suicide name and we're going to turn it into a storyline. 1145 01:14:09.479 --> 01:14:12.680 Yeah, it's just there's no explanation for why he chose that name, what 1146 01:14:12.760 --> 01:14:15.920 it represents. Is it arbitrary, is it mark? What's the point? 1147 01:14:15.199 --> 01:14:18.279 And why is he under a mask again? And they don't they don't care 1148 01:14:18.359 --> 01:14:21.920 because Hulk Hogan is thinking about Hulk Hogan and Brook Hogan and Bully Ray and 1149 01:14:23.039 --> 01:14:25.760 Devon and you know, making sure that his buddies who are around in the 1150 01:14:25.880 --> 01:14:29.680 nineties get that one last paycheck. And you know, poor Dixie Carter, 1151 01:14:30.560 --> 01:14:33.359 poor Dixie Carter has left being the latest money mark in a long history of 1152 01:14:33.359 --> 01:14:36.279 money marks who get taken for this ride at the expense of the health of 1153 01:14:36.319 --> 01:14:41.640 the industry. And you know, Hulk, I'm quite sure Holk rationalizes and 1154 01:14:41.680 --> 01:14:45.079 sleeps well and wakes up feeling good about himself, going, I'm Hulk Hogan 1155 01:14:45.479 --> 01:14:48.119 and I'm Tena's best chance, and i am sacrificing and I'd rather not be 1156 01:14:48.199 --> 01:14:51.039 on TV as much, but I have to do this because there's no other 1157 01:14:51.079 --> 01:14:55.600 way to make this work unless I'm you know, on TV all the time. 1158 01:14:55.600 --> 01:14:58.279 I'm hold I'm the glue that holds it together. I'm sure he's talked 1159 01:14:58.319 --> 01:15:01.159 himself into that, and I think part of that is his lack of vision. 1160 01:15:01.960 --> 01:15:05.640 And same with Eric Bischoff and Dixie Carter and whoever is left in that 1161 01:15:05.720 --> 01:15:10.279 company on the executive side, there's a lack of vision. There's a lack 1162 01:15:10.880 --> 01:15:15.520 of saying we really self confidence and saying now we're gonna flex our muscles and 1163 01:15:15.560 --> 01:15:20.159 we're gonna surprise people and turn Chris Saban into the biggest star Chris Saban can 1164 01:15:20.239 --> 01:15:24.920 possibly be. And after four months, we're gonna evaluate, four or five 1165 01:15:24.960 --> 01:15:29.079 six months, we're gonna evaluate whether Chris Saban being the biggest star he can 1166 01:15:29.119 --> 01:15:33.159 absolutely positively be, is enough to stick with him. And in the meantime, 1167 01:15:33.399 --> 01:15:36.520 we're gonna be laying the groundwork with two or three other guys to possibly 1168 01:15:36.600 --> 01:15:42.359 replace him as the lead baby face of this company. And we're gonna give 1169 01:15:42.439 --> 01:15:47.199 Saban everything we've got, and we're gonna learn from history and be single mindedly 1170 01:15:47.239 --> 01:15:50.560 focused like our our our livelihood depends on it to get Saban over. But 1171 01:15:50.640 --> 01:15:53.560 if it's not, if it's not meant to be and he's not the right 1172 01:15:53.640 --> 01:15:56.600 guy, we'll accept that. And we've got the undercurrent, We've got this 1173 01:15:56.960 --> 01:15:59.520 groundwork being laid for two or three other guys. So if we have to 1174 01:16:00.079 --> 01:16:02.880 abandon the Chris Saban as a World Champion League baby Face, we'll have two 1175 01:16:02.960 --> 01:16:05.399 or three other plans ready and we'll see which of those guys seems like the 1176 01:16:05.439 --> 01:16:09.119 best bet, and we'll do that. They don't do that. They don't 1177 01:16:09.119 --> 01:16:11.680 even I don't even think they sit down and go, well, here's a 1178 01:16:11.920 --> 01:16:15.079 viable game plan to get somebody new over. Eric Bishop didn't do that in 1179 01:16:15.199 --> 01:16:17.720 w's W Hulk Coogan has always been about Hulk Hogan, and I just I 1180 01:16:17.760 --> 01:16:21.720 don't even think it's like some I think there's a level of conspiracy. It's 1181 01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:26.159 a survivalist. You know, we need to you know, I want my 1182 01:16:26.239 --> 01:16:29.680 next contract. I gotta be relevant if I make somebody else's star, I'm 1183 01:16:29.720 --> 01:16:31.079 expendable. I don't want to be one of those people. I've lost so 1184 01:16:31.159 --> 01:16:34.800 much money in a divorce and blah blah blah. So I think some of 1185 01:16:34.840 --> 01:16:38.159 that plays into it, But I think some of it is they're simply not 1186 01:16:38.239 --> 01:16:42.239 equipped to be starmakers. The people in control and TNA just don't know how 1187 01:16:42.279 --> 01:16:45.520 to make a start. Doesn't even cross their mind that they're not good at 1188 01:16:45.560 --> 01:16:47.439 that because I don't think they've ever put all that much thought into it. 1189 01:16:47.560 --> 01:16:51.680 Jason, thanks for downloading today's show. Take it to the next level. 1190 01:16:51.760 --> 01:16:56.319 With a VIP membership, get shows like this, the Way Killer Prosing Podcast, 1191 01:16:56.359 --> 01:16:59.840 Way Killer Prosing Post show, and the pw torche daily casts on our 1192 01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:04.720 Pwtorch VIP podcast feed with ads and plugs removed from the shows for a streamlined 1193 01:17:04.800 --> 01:17:09.680 listening experience. 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Now, and so you know, they've got to make 1203 01:17:50.359 --> 01:17:56.880 some tough decisions. And frankly, it's about damn time, Dixie. I 1204 01:17:57.000 --> 01:18:01.039 mean, my god, if you've been in this eleven years, and even 1205 01:18:01.119 --> 01:18:05.039 when you brought Hulk Cogan into the fold, you had to It's it's not 1206 01:18:05.239 --> 01:18:09.640 like it's a big secret. I mean, it's been well documented the history 1207 01:18:09.680 --> 01:18:13.439 of Hulk Coogan, Eric Bischoff, and so you should study up on them 1208 01:18:13.520 --> 01:18:16.119 and figure out, Okay, am I you know? Are they being sincere 1209 01:18:16.600 --> 01:18:20.039 or am I being played? And I don't even know that. I mean 1210 01:18:20.560 --> 01:18:24.680 you can't. Maybe there's some conspiracy there. I mean, Bishop certainly has 1211 01:18:24.720 --> 01:18:28.720 his hands in creative, no doubt about that, and it's been well known 1212 01:18:28.800 --> 01:18:32.520 that he's made sure Hulk Cogan's taken care of in those creative discussions, certainly. 1213 01:18:32.800 --> 01:18:39.880 But I think I don't think hul Coogan is just being evil here. 1214 01:18:40.680 --> 01:18:44.439 I think Hule, because I mean he's told people before kind of thrown his 1215 01:18:44.520 --> 01:18:46.359 hands up, like he throws out suggestion. It's not even for himself, 1216 01:18:46.600 --> 01:18:50.720 but it'll just wrought a suggestion in creative and it just becomes gospel. It 1217 01:18:50.840 --> 01:18:55.640 might not even be something he firmly believes in. He's just trying to suggest 1218 01:18:55.760 --> 01:18:57.960 something and it's like, oh, it came from Hulk, We've got to 1219 01:18:58.079 --> 01:19:00.600 use this. And it's like, well, can maybe we can discussed this. 1220 01:19:00.520 --> 01:19:04.039 I mean, there when Hulk Coogan was wrestling, I saw obviously there 1221 01:19:04.119 --> 01:19:08.399 was a lot to look at as far as the manipulating, manipulations that we're 1222 01:19:08.439 --> 01:19:12.399 going on now that he's just in this role. Yeah, I mean, 1223 01:19:12.439 --> 01:19:16.239 you can certainly point to Brooke Hogan being there and and and I can't even 1224 01:19:16.680 --> 01:19:21.319 argue with that a bit. But I just think they need somebody needs to 1225 01:19:21.399 --> 01:19:26.439 have the balls to stand up and say, we're not going to make the 1226 01:19:26.560 --> 01:19:30.880 show all about the Hogan family drama. It's just not going to happen. 1227 01:19:30.439 --> 01:19:35.039 And if creatively, with Eric Bishop being the executive producer, if Dave Leghana 1228 01:19:35.079 --> 01:19:39.479 and Matt Conway can't do that, if they don't have the power to do 1229 01:19:39.640 --> 01:19:42.319 that, then Dixie Carter needs to pull her head out of her you know 1230 01:19:42.439 --> 01:19:45.840 what and step in and make sure this doesn't happen. But I think she 1231 01:19:45.039 --> 01:19:53.199 thinks this is the way, and I think Dixie just doesn't know enough to 1232 01:19:53.399 --> 01:19:57.119 know any better. I Mean, I just I don't sense that she's studied 1233 01:19:57.199 --> 01:20:00.439 the industry and learned and and you can't just it's just pro wrestling is such 1234 01:20:00.560 --> 01:20:06.479 a unique industry. You can't just like orient yourself and start making decisions. 1235 01:20:06.479 --> 01:20:12.119 But I just don't think in her time running TENA that there's been any evidence 1236 01:20:12.199 --> 01:20:15.000 that she's learned some valuable lessons. I think she's attached herself to some people 1237 01:20:15.039 --> 01:20:19.359 that she just thought she could trust, who seemed nice people and didn't want 1238 01:20:19.399 --> 01:20:23.720 to take control away from her, like Jim Ross and Paul Hayman did. 1239 01:20:24.239 --> 01:20:27.800 Right, Yes, yes, And so these are my friends, they'd have 1240 01:20:27.920 --> 01:20:30.800 a history of success. How why would I not believe them? I mean 1241 01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:33.840 it's like, you know, some some guy who don't didn't watch the NBA 1242 01:20:33.960 --> 01:20:39.640 or know much about it, suddenly buys a team and Michael Jordan is the 1243 01:20:39.640 --> 01:20:41.880 guy who goes to to run the team, and it's like, why I 1244 01:20:41.920 --> 01:20:45.399 gotta listen to Michael Jordan, not this website person who wrote an editorial telling 1245 01:20:45.439 --> 01:20:49.800 me that Michael Jordan doesn't know candid valuate talent. What Michael Jordan, I 1246 01:20:49.840 --> 01:20:51.760 gotta trust him, you know, I mean, I just think she you 1247 01:20:51.840 --> 01:20:55.680 know, I understand her looking looking at that and seeing it. So, 1248 01:20:56.439 --> 01:20:59.479 you know, I don't know if it's blame is such a weird word. 1249 01:20:59.560 --> 01:21:03.560 I just gets it's a conglomeration of the wrong people in the wrong jobs at 1250 01:21:03.600 --> 01:21:06.720 the wrong time. It makes it kind of I don't think it makes it 1251 01:21:06.760 --> 01:21:11.319 hopeless, but you would. I just I wish somebody would step up and 1252 01:21:11.439 --> 01:21:15.520 have a vision and express it. Dave Lagan and Matt Conway or Eric Bischoff 1253 01:21:15.600 --> 01:21:18.199 get engaged and go all right, I needed now I'm going to turn my 1254 01:21:18.279 --> 01:21:21.560 attention to this, and I've got some ideas and I'm going to really immerse 1255 01:21:21.640 --> 01:21:24.640 myself in it, and I'm gonna work with Holgan. We're gonna make this 1256 01:21:24.680 --> 01:21:28.720 happen. And I just I sense that they think they have some good ideas 1257 01:21:28.760 --> 01:21:30.960 and some good talent they're pushing and some good story arcs, and it's not 1258 01:21:31.119 --> 01:21:36.720 producing results. And I think they're a little just kind of confused and disappointed. 1259 01:21:38.279 --> 01:21:41.079 It would be fascinating to me because they're you know, their contracts just 1260 01:21:41.159 --> 01:21:43.920 buy a different times now. Eric Bischoff and Hal Coogan went in together, 1261 01:21:44.319 --> 01:21:47.439 but when Eric Bischoff became an executive producer, he now has a different deal 1262 01:21:47.520 --> 01:21:50.640 that expires at a different time than Hogans. I think it'd be fascinating if 1263 01:21:50.680 --> 01:21:55.439 Hogan went back to w W E Bishop was content with that and stayed there 1264 01:21:55.800 --> 01:21:58.960 and didn't have someone creatively that he had, you know, that he really 1265 01:21:59.039 --> 01:22:02.560 needed to push for. What would he do then without Hulk Cogan, assuming 1266 01:22:02.600 --> 01:22:05.800 he stayed and didn't just ask to leave at the same time, you know, 1267 01:22:06.319 --> 01:22:11.439 then I think it'd be the first time since well before Hulk Coogan arrived 1268 01:22:11.439 --> 01:22:15.720 in WCW that Eric wasn't just tied to Hulk Cogan when he was, you 1269 01:22:15.800 --> 01:22:19.640 know, working at in a creative capacity, right yup. And it was 1270 01:22:20.000 --> 01:22:25.000 twenty years ago, like last week that the item in the Torch newsletter was 1271 01:22:25.840 --> 01:22:30.159 and this all this up people going on with the power base in ww you 1272 01:22:30.199 --> 01:22:32.760 know, and there was rumors that Terry Jared coming in after the negotiations with 1273 01:22:32.840 --> 01:22:36.000 Terry Funk broke Off to be new executive vice president and also on there's just 1274 01:22:36.039 --> 01:22:40.560 this hidden little item in a paragraph in the w W Newswire page, Eric 1275 01:22:40.640 --> 01:22:44.279 Bischoff has been promoted to the head of what was essentially the creative team. 1276 01:22:45.680 --> 01:22:47.840 And everyone was kind of like, huh, what you know? And Eric 1277 01:22:47.920 --> 01:22:51.439 had worked behind the scenes to a hobnob with the right people and impress them 1278 01:22:51.520 --> 01:22:55.880 with you know, his presentation and his ideas. And he seemed more corporate 1279 01:22:55.960 --> 01:23:00.479 than Terry Funk, more national with his vision. And then Jerry Jarrett with 1280 01:23:00.600 --> 01:23:05.039 his you know, Nashville accent and his betune on the table in front of 1281 01:23:05.039 --> 01:23:12.119 the executives. Yeah, yep, exactly and uh and certainly less wacko and 1282 01:23:12.560 --> 01:23:16.199 uncontrollable like Bill Watts, you know, I mean Eric, Eric was a 1283 01:23:16.399 --> 01:23:25.439 product products on the word. Eric was the beneficiary of this parade of old 1284 01:23:25.640 --> 01:23:32.840 school wrestling characters coming through the then becoming more and more corporate Turner Enterprises and 1285 01:23:33.119 --> 01:23:36.800 and and Time Warren. I don't Time Warner had bought them out yet, 1286 01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:41.039 but the Turner Enterprises. And you know, you go from Bill Watts to 1287 01:23:41.560 --> 01:23:46.680 Kerry Funk and Jerry Jerry being interviewed and then this young brash exuding self confidence 1288 01:23:47.199 --> 01:23:51.359 with full of ideas, Eric Bischoff Watson speaks their language, you know, 1289 01:23:51.560 --> 01:23:56.560 shakes their hand the right way and like you said, it's not spin tobacco 1290 01:23:56.640 --> 01:24:00.079 out during in the middle of a meeting, you know, and he all 1291 01:24:00.119 --> 01:24:02.239 of a sudden just kind of rows up through the ranks, and then he 1292 01:24:02.359 --> 01:24:06.720 proved he deserved it, you know, with with I mean just a stunning 1293 01:24:09.279 --> 01:24:14.039 battle cry at WWF, with the whole nitro initiative and the talent that he 1294 01:24:14.119 --> 01:24:16.520 brought in and that vision. Does he still have that drive? I assume 1295 01:24:16.560 --> 01:24:20.840 he has a level of financial security now and that at you know, his 1296 01:24:21.039 --> 01:24:27.640 age now, which is what late fifties compared to late thirties. I'm kind 1297 01:24:27.640 --> 01:24:33.039 of half guessing here that he probably doesn't necessarily have as much youthful drive to 1298 01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:38.640 be a guy who would take over. But I would still be curious what 1299 01:24:38.720 --> 01:24:42.600 he would do if if he got engaged and motivated to try to take teenade 1300 01:24:42.600 --> 01:24:46.760 in luxt level. I think Jason that that would take him being given ownership 1301 01:24:46.840 --> 01:24:51.680 in TNA, kind of like Paul Hayman wanted. Yeah. Perhaps, Yeah, 1302 01:24:53.000 --> 01:24:58.680 And I mean just because you haven't seen the results from Bishoff, Hogan 1303 01:24:58.800 --> 01:25:01.840 and Company on Dixie Carter, that's that's not a move I make. If 1304 01:25:02.239 --> 01:25:04.479 if I were going to if I were Dixie and we're willing to give up 1305 01:25:04.520 --> 01:25:08.119 ownership, I think it would have been number one, it would have been 1306 01:25:08.159 --> 01:25:11.279 to Paul Hammon, and number two it would have been to Jim Ross. 1307 01:25:12.000 --> 01:25:17.720 Yeah, and I don't think boy. I mean, people in TNA will 1308 01:25:17.760 --> 01:25:23.359 tell that it's not an issue where they dislike Dixie Carter. They like her 1309 01:25:23.359 --> 01:25:27.000 as a person, but they feel like, Okay, doesn't matter what cuts 1310 01:25:27.000 --> 01:25:30.880 their making, doesn't matter who's who's signed and who's who's not signed when their 1311 01:25:30.920 --> 01:25:33.319 contracts come up. Going forward, as long as she is running this company, 1312 01:25:33.880 --> 01:25:39.039 we're just spinning our wheels. Yep, you know. And but I 1313 01:25:39.119 --> 01:25:43.439 don't know that the Carter family is going to feel safe and just turning something 1314 01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:46.680 over to an Eric Bischoff or Hulk Cocon or anybody else I know. I 1315 01:25:46.760 --> 01:25:50.199 know. Well, let me jump back to us Stephen Burns fat member, 1316 01:25:50.239 --> 01:25:54.239 because he's got part two on Saving. Just winding back to that. I 1317 01:25:54.319 --> 01:25:56.159 heard you both say last week. For that, for Christ they've been to 1318 01:25:56.159 --> 01:25:59.560 be successful, they'd have to evolve this character paths being an underdog competitor returning 1319 01:25:59.600 --> 01:26:00.680 from a bad injury. Well, you both said you weren't sure what that 1320 01:26:00.680 --> 01:26:02.520 could be. I thought an idea could be to build Saving up as a 1321 01:26:02.520 --> 01:26:05.760 proud Detroit wrestsell, representing the city after it declared bankruptcy and fighting to support 1322 01:26:05.800 --> 01:26:09.600 his family and friends. Can you talk about saving not only fighting for the 1323 01:26:09.640 --> 01:26:12.560 prestigia of being world champion, but also fighting because every championshipvictory he brings some 1324 01:26:12.640 --> 01:26:15.600 much championship paycheck for his family and charity supporting the Pearan Detroit. I think 1325 01:26:15.600 --> 01:26:18.600 you could really tell a relatable story and could intertwine real life issues in the 1326 01:26:18.640 --> 01:26:21.720 city of Detroit to make him a character you would want to see succeed. 1327 01:26:21.840 --> 01:26:27.880 What do you think, I'm in twin Cities. We're not that far away 1328 01:26:27.920 --> 01:26:31.359 from Detroit, and to me, it's just two regional man even like the 1329 01:26:31.399 --> 01:26:35.199 Motor City machine Guns was like, it's fine, but it's still Detroit. 1330 01:26:35.359 --> 01:26:41.039 And their hand gestures were something that people apparently in Michigan understood, and I 1331 01:26:41.079 --> 01:26:44.000 don't think the rest of the world understood. I didn't until someone had to 1332 01:26:44.239 --> 01:26:46.520 tell someone explained it to me. I just think you can. You know, 1333 01:26:46.520 --> 01:26:51.239 they're in national promotion and you just don't want to go that especially. 1334 01:26:51.279 --> 01:26:54.720 I mean, it's it's not even regional. It's just a city you're talking 1335 01:26:54.760 --> 01:26:57.560 about. And I know it's in the news right now because of the bankruptcy, 1336 01:26:57.680 --> 01:26:59.680 but no, I mean, you can you can. It's not like 1337 01:26:59.720 --> 01:27:01.159 he can allude to it, but I don't make that like the focus of 1338 01:27:01.239 --> 01:27:04.720 his character, right, yeah, yeah, I just I think the focus 1339 01:27:04.800 --> 01:27:12.640 of his character is he is a breakout star who can't loot, he doesn't 1340 01:27:12.680 --> 01:27:15.359 lose. I mean, you just you build him up as that. You 1341 01:27:15.439 --> 01:27:18.159 know, it happens in sports. Somebody has a breakout year and they rise 1342 01:27:18.279 --> 01:27:21.000 that next levels. You know, they're given a starting job, and they're 1343 01:27:21.039 --> 01:27:26.119 giving the right head coach and the and the opportunity and they just run with 1344 01:27:26.239 --> 01:27:29.840 it and saving and you know, you you expressed your questions, can he 1345 01:27:29.960 --> 01:27:31.359 do it? You know, is he good enough to do it? Yeah? 1346 01:27:31.399 --> 01:27:34.119 I think he's good enough to be believable in that role. Whether he 1347 01:27:34.159 --> 01:27:36.520 would truly be the best in the world, I don't know, but I 1348 01:27:36.560 --> 01:27:40.680 think he could probably have good enough matches that t Anda could tell that story 1349 01:27:40.760 --> 01:27:43.560 if they told it convincingly. I think that's their best shot. I don't 1350 01:27:43.560 --> 01:27:46.600 think they need to bend over backwards to come up with something about Detroit this 1351 01:27:47.039 --> 01:27:50.600 or you know, some inspirational story. Just have him be the fighting, 1352 01:27:50.760 --> 01:27:55.239 scrappy, undersized baby face who finds a way to win. And it is 1353 01:27:55.239 --> 01:27:59.439 actually a lot better than anybody gave him credit for including himself and then just 1354 01:28:00.359 --> 01:28:03.680 strip it away and do that baby face champion story. And he doesn't even 1355 01:28:03.720 --> 01:28:06.039 have to be the most colorful guy, because that's the job of the heels, 1356 01:28:06.079 --> 01:28:10.000 you know. He can be the everyman, you know, just the 1357 01:28:10.399 --> 01:28:14.159 guy, the superhero without the costume, the guy who represents every man. 1358 01:28:14.279 --> 01:28:15.319 But in the ring, he just turns it up and is able to send 1359 01:28:15.359 --> 01:28:19.520 off and frustrate the hell out of these just heels who are awful people who 1360 01:28:20.199 --> 01:28:24.960 you know, live, cheat and steal to get ahead. If you're gonna 1361 01:28:24.960 --> 01:28:27.800 go Saban's, that's my thought, you know. I mean, I'm not 1362 01:28:27.880 --> 01:28:30.720 saying Saban's my first choice, but I think you gotta at least give it 1363 01:28:30.760 --> 01:28:32.640 your best shot. And they're not even trying that. And I hate taking 1364 01:28:32.680 --> 01:28:35.720 a guy out of the ex division, making him the World Heavyweight Champion, 1365 01:28:35.760 --> 01:28:39.720 and then having him fight the Exhivision champion again. And I mean the fact 1366 01:28:39.720 --> 01:28:43.159 that Tena thought that was a good idea just shows, in my opinion, 1367 01:28:43.239 --> 01:28:45.279 how absolutely clueless they are about what the worst thing is they could do for 1368 01:28:45.359 --> 01:28:50.720 saving and Week two as Champion, need an extra dose of positivity in your 1369 01:28:50.760 --> 01:28:57.039 wrestling podcasts will come join me Alan fell Over in the Progress Paradise at Pen 1370 01:28:57.199 --> 01:29:01.119 Resorts VIP as we bask on the right side of wrestling and focus on some 1371 01:29:01.239 --> 01:29:05.119 of the great matches and shows from around the world, be at the US, 1372 01:29:05.560 --> 01:29:10.960 Japan, Europe or Mexico. There's always a place for wrestlings past in 1373 01:29:11.039 --> 01:29:14.920 the Paradise too, and we've done fun historical shows such as the We Love 1374 01:29:15.039 --> 01:29:19.399 Lger series celebrating the glorious career of Juician thunder Lighter and our I Was there 1375 01:29:19.479 --> 01:29:24.199 When shows where our guests will join me to talk about a classic bout that 1376 01:29:24.279 --> 01:29:28.359 they were in attendance for. We love variety and you can expect lots of 1377 01:29:28.399 --> 01:29:32.920 it at the pro Rest Paradise. Detailed pwof Torch VIP subscription information and a 1378 01:29:33.039 --> 01:29:39.159 list of all the VIP benefits is available at PW Torch vipinfo dot com. 1379 01:29:39.560 --> 01:29:44.840 And yes, all VIP podcasts are compatible with popular podcast apps on iPhone and 1380 01:29:44.920 --> 01:29:49.000 Android devices, or you can stream them directly from our ad free VIP mobile 1381 01:29:49.079 --> 01:30:00.159 site. See you in the Paradise and to bring the ult Who was it 1382 01:30:00.279 --> 01:30:06.279 that named t J Perkins? Manic It wasn't t J Perkins. I don't 1383 01:30:06.279 --> 01:30:12.000 even know hul Coogan. So what does that have to do with say, 1384 01:30:12.399 --> 01:30:15.000 I'm just lost on the point and the whole thing full circle with you know 1385 01:30:15.039 --> 01:30:18.439 Hogan, Tian and all that. Okay, it just he Yeah, first, 1386 01:30:18.720 --> 01:30:23.479 Hulk Cogan was the one who reintroduced him as manic like he's the one 1387 01:30:23.479 --> 01:30:26.239 who came up with the did this on television? It was bizarre? Right, 1388 01:30:26.640 --> 01:30:28.720 yes? No, no, yea, yeah, I agree with that. 1389 01:30:28.920 --> 01:30:30.800 I agree with that. All right, we have another email question. 1390 01:30:31.239 --> 01:30:34.039 This is from Jamal, who I believe called the show. He says in 1391 01:30:34.119 --> 01:30:38.399 response to what he said, it seems that the scripted promos is what WWW 1392 01:30:38.520 --> 01:30:42.039 does as a standard until they trust the superstar with bullet points. If WWW 1393 01:30:42.079 --> 01:30:44.960 doesn't trust Zigler with adled promos and Siggler is not go to scripted promos, 1394 01:30:45.000 --> 01:30:47.680 I'm not Convincedigler would be a mainstaymin of entor he will be successful and have 1395 01:30:47.680 --> 01:30:51.039 a good career like Mister Perfect, Chris Jericho or Eddie Guerrero. I think 1396 01:30:51.079 --> 01:30:55.199 the upside is with Biggie because he's newer, has a size, WW likes 1397 01:30:55.239 --> 01:30:57.640 him, can be a main of enter without needing promo ability, which as 1398 01:30:57.680 --> 01:31:00.920 Brock Lesner, Vader Yokazuna undertaker, and does I need crazy in ring work 1399 01:31:00.920 --> 01:31:03.640 like Zigler. Ziggler already has awesome in ring, but he needs promo skills. 1400 01:31:03.680 --> 01:31:06.319 Go Over's a baby face. He's been in WWWE so long. I 1401 01:31:06.399 --> 01:31:10.439 just think the ships sailed for Ziggler to be a quote sustainable main of entor 1402 01:31:10.800 --> 01:31:14.960 boy. Jamal, your your rebuttals not swaying me at all, because I 1403 01:31:15.000 --> 01:31:17.920 don't think Ziggler has been a main inventor for that long. It seemed like 1404 01:31:18.159 --> 01:31:23.039 forever in some ways because he was doing so many jobs. But I don't 1405 01:31:23.079 --> 01:31:26.760 think big ye Is is seen by people as a brock Lessner size guy or 1406 01:31:26.880 --> 01:31:29.800 Vader Yo because an undertaker. I think he's a midsize main event guy. 1407 01:31:29.880 --> 01:31:31.960 I don't. I don't, you know, zigglers small, But Biggie's just 1408 01:31:32.399 --> 01:31:34.960 he's like Jason and I wrong, I don't. I don't look at Bigie 1409 01:31:35.000 --> 01:31:39.079 as some big monster, you know character. No. I look at him 1410 01:31:39.119 --> 01:31:43.319 as a powerful guy, but almost a little bit awkward in terms of his 1411 01:31:43.479 --> 01:31:45.840 appearance. He doesn't, you know, he's not Mark Henry, for instance. 1412 01:31:45.880 --> 01:31:48.479 No, he's not. He doesn't. He is a powerlifter, but 1413 01:31:48.560 --> 01:31:53.479 he doesn't look like the other powerlifters we've seen in wrestling. Yeah yeah, 1414 01:31:53.520 --> 01:31:57.560 And I just I think Ziggler can develop his promos. I just think it 1415 01:31:57.680 --> 01:32:03.600 takes, you know, he's a It takes some finding his voice and then 1416 01:32:03.960 --> 01:32:09.680 people the writer's kind of understanding that voice and not getting in his way and 1417 01:32:09.760 --> 01:32:13.000 then helping him along in terms of bullet points. But he's just he's not 1418 01:32:13.119 --> 01:32:16.239 there yet, but I think he I think he probably is has a better 1419 01:32:16.319 --> 01:32:20.199 chance to get there than Biggie does at this point. And granted, like 1420 01:32:20.520 --> 01:32:24.680 Jamal says, Bigge doesn't necessarily need great promos, that's fine, but he 1421 01:32:24.760 --> 01:32:28.000 needs something. And I think Ziggler on a you know, if there's eight 1422 01:32:28.039 --> 01:32:30.319 traits that get somebody over as a main of enter and you got to have 1423 01:32:30.399 --> 01:32:31.840 four or five or six of them, I mean, I don't know what 1424 01:32:32.279 --> 01:32:34.239 you know, Ziggler has four or five, six of them, and we 1425 01:32:34.279 --> 01:32:36.319 can point at two or three that he's not great at. He doesn't have 1426 01:32:36.399 --> 01:32:40.520 great size, his promos aren't there yet, but he's got a lot of 1427 01:32:40.560 --> 01:32:43.199 other things main of enters need, and Biggie I just don't think he's proven 1428 01:32:43.279 --> 01:32:46.399 he has any of them yet. But he hasn't proven he doesn't have them, 1429 01:32:46.439 --> 01:32:49.359 but he hasn't proven enough to me to put this to put him on 1430 01:32:49.399 --> 01:32:53.239 the same In the same conversation with Ziggler at this point, Yeah, I'm 1431 01:32:53.279 --> 01:32:55.720 with you on that. Hey, I hope he's as good as Jamal thinks 1432 01:32:55.760 --> 01:32:58.720 he is. Yeah, yep, all right. Tin finally says, does 1433 01:32:58.720 --> 01:33:00.840 Standard Bryan need to evolve? Yes, yes, in order to be a 1434 01:33:00.840 --> 01:33:03.319 sustainable main eventor how can they evolve when where he can maintain his connection with 1435 01:33:03.359 --> 01:33:06.520 the fans is yes? Yes, yes, a fad Jason doesn't where it 1436 01:33:06.560 --> 01:33:10.319 self out or is it something you can take with him for years? Oh 1437 01:33:12.520 --> 01:33:16.399 that's I mean, that's kind of a big question. I would like to 1438 01:33:16.479 --> 01:33:20.000 see it kind of fade away. But I think it's even if they try 1439 01:33:20.119 --> 01:33:23.479 to it, I think it's here to stay. I mean, maybe it 1440 01:33:23.560 --> 01:33:27.560 doesn't, maybe it's not as passionate right now, but it's just the problem 1441 01:33:27.760 --> 01:33:31.520 is if he turns, let's say he becomes the corporate champion just for the 1442 01:33:31.560 --> 01:33:35.760 sake of argument, Okay, then he doesn't want the fans chanting yes anymore, 1443 01:33:35.760 --> 01:33:38.800 they'll chant know again. You know. It's just one of those things. 1444 01:33:38.800 --> 01:33:41.479 No matter what they do with him, that's always going to be there. 1445 01:33:42.039 --> 01:33:44.560 You can you can always go the other way with it. So I 1446 01:33:45.520 --> 01:33:46.960 would like to see it be a fad, but I don't think it's going 1447 01:33:47.039 --> 01:33:49.359 to be. I think it's just one of those things that is now tied 1448 01:33:49.439 --> 01:33:54.920 to him, right yep, Yeah, I don't it's tied to him, 1449 01:33:54.960 --> 01:33:58.119 and I don't think it really necessarily holds him back either. You know, 1450 01:33:58.199 --> 01:34:00.600 where it does hold him back is when he like last night at the end 1451 01:34:00.600 --> 01:34:05.960 of the show, when he's just so enthusiastic pumping the finger in the air 1452 01:34:06.079 --> 01:34:10.439 for that. That looks a little mid card to me. Yeah, I 1453 01:34:10.439 --> 01:34:12.359 don't mind the thing, you know, it's like, go ahead and get 1454 01:34:12.439 --> 01:34:15.880 him channing. Yes, but I don't need him just running around jumping up 1455 01:34:15.920 --> 01:34:17.840 in the air doing it. That does That doesn't look main event. Well 1456 01:34:17.880 --> 01:34:21.960 let's send on this note. What did you think of Vince McMahon's marketing of 1457 01:34:23.119 --> 01:34:25.119 the Scena Brian match? And think he doesn't want either got to win and 1458 01:34:25.159 --> 01:34:29.560 he wants it to disintegrate and go poof in the ring? What? What? 1459 01:34:29.760 --> 01:34:32.439 What are fans supposed to feel going into this match? I I'm not 1460 01:34:32.920 --> 01:34:39.600 sure that as of you know, viewer watching as a fan that I mean, 1461 01:34:39.920 --> 01:34:42.680 they're not making you, h on Sena, They're not making you. 1462 01:34:43.439 --> 01:34:45.319 I don't. I just I'm not sure what people are going to be rooting 1463 01:34:45.399 --> 01:34:48.039 for, or what were they're supposed to be rooting for. No, I 1464 01:34:48.399 --> 01:34:53.239 have no idea what we're supposed to feel. I kind of assume that Randy 1465 01:34:53.399 --> 01:34:57.239 Orton's Vince's vision for a champion, and he ends up turning Keel somehow, 1466 01:34:57.319 --> 01:34:59.840 some way and coming out of this with the champion, and Vince does win, 1467 01:35:00.399 --> 01:35:04.439 but beyond that, he doesn't like he doesn't like John scene. And 1468 01:35:04.520 --> 01:35:08.600 now he's basically telling people this scene has got a big head. So he's 1469 01:35:08.640 --> 01:35:12.680 tearing down the arguably the most well certainly their their idea of the top baby 1470 01:35:12.720 --> 01:35:15.560 face. He's finding every little thing he can to point out negative about Daniel 1471 01:35:15.560 --> 01:35:18.840 Bryan. You're tearing down arguably the second most popular guy in the company, 1472 01:35:19.479 --> 01:35:26.239 and it's it's weird, and I don't think Vince is nearly as good as 1473 01:35:26.279 --> 01:35:30.119 he once was in his promo work. Right, I'm not liking this way. 1474 01:35:30.239 --> 01:35:33.399 I just I want to like the segment. I watched it last night. 1475 01:35:33.560 --> 01:35:36.800 I didn't get bored. It held my interest. There's Vince still has 1476 01:35:36.920 --> 01:35:41.000 that star power that he brings to it. It's interesting to see him in 1477 01:35:41.079 --> 01:35:44.840 Daniel Bryan do their thing. And so as I'm watching it, like okay, 1478 01:35:44.920 --> 01:35:46.840 this is this is entertaining, and then it's over and I can sit 1479 01:35:46.880 --> 01:35:49.720 back and think about it and I'm like, wow, that was really asked 1480 01:35:49.760 --> 01:35:53.720 backwards. They really they didn't do a good job there, I know, 1481 01:35:54.279 --> 01:35:58.479 I know, I'm They've got what two more ros? I think? So 1482 01:35:58.680 --> 01:36:00.119 yeah, so they go around this out, you know, I mean, 1483 01:36:00.239 --> 01:36:04.479 obviously I think it's fine to you know, not have every show try to 1484 01:36:04.520 --> 01:36:06.640 be the hottest show ever that can burn everybody out. I mean, it's 1485 01:36:06.640 --> 01:36:11.600 just natural that there's gonna be an ebb and flow and so that that doesn't 1486 01:36:11.640 --> 01:36:14.840 bother me when we have kind of a mediocre week when it comes to forwarding 1487 01:36:14.880 --> 01:36:18.319 storylines or that, you know, a maintenance show of sorts, and that's 1488 01:36:18.319 --> 01:36:21.119 fine. And there was just enough on the show, you know where if 1489 01:36:21.119 --> 01:36:24.239 you missed it, you're not kicking yourself, but if you invested in it, 1490 01:36:24.279 --> 01:36:27.920 you feel like you saw some worthwhile stuff. But they do need to 1491 01:36:29.079 --> 01:36:32.039 really kick things up, including figure out what they're doing with senior Daniel Bryan, 1492 01:36:32.079 --> 01:36:34.199 because I think we're gonna, you know, if they don't fix this 1493 01:36:34.399 --> 01:36:39.800 or do more or narrow down what we're supposed to think about this, it's 1494 01:36:39.840 --> 01:36:44.560 gonna seem like they just did this match, almost begrudgingly, without a vision 1495 01:36:44.600 --> 01:36:47.760 in mind, and almost not sabotaging it. But their heart's not really in 1496 01:36:47.880 --> 01:36:50.520 it because they're just doing it because the fans like Daniel Bryan and they had 1497 01:36:50.560 --> 01:36:54.279 this reality show, so we don't have anybody better to go with, so 1498 01:36:54.399 --> 01:36:59.079 let's just do this. And I assume he doesn't get the corporate makeover because 1499 01:37:00.039 --> 01:37:01.880 a part because of the total devens Wade. I don't know that they want 1500 01:37:01.920 --> 01:37:04.600 to have you watch on Sunday and see him look one way, even though 1501 01:37:04.640 --> 01:37:08.319 you know they're telling you when like Wrestlemandy and all that. Still, I 1502 01:37:08.359 --> 01:37:11.279 think it would be a little awkward. I don't know that they go through 1503 01:37:11.319 --> 01:37:14.720 with it, but and I guess one the biggest issue I had there, 1504 01:37:15.079 --> 01:37:19.279 Vince the character has been branded is crazy now basically Stephanie. I don't know 1505 01:37:19.439 --> 01:37:24.600 what she's trying to be, and we've certainly talked about her and the issues 1506 01:37:24.640 --> 01:37:29.439 with her character, her persona Triple H. Can't he be the voice of 1507 01:37:29.760 --> 01:37:33.680 reason the wrestler and say when she says corporate makeover, he even though it's 1508 01:37:33.720 --> 01:37:38.000 his wife, he just rolls his eyes. Can't he be the guy because 1509 01:37:38.000 --> 01:37:42.039 of his wrestling background to say it does that stuff? It matters to a 1510 01:37:42.159 --> 01:37:45.159 point, but it's what really matters is how good or bad is he in 1511 01:37:45.199 --> 01:37:48.399 the ring? And this guy's phenomenal, he should be that voice. Yeah, 1512 01:37:49.119 --> 01:37:53.399 it's no, I agree. And if the end goal is to get 1513 01:37:53.479 --> 01:37:56.880 Triple H over as the baby face leader, that you can feel makes you 1514 01:37:56.920 --> 01:38:01.359 feel good about supporting WWE. I mean they're not they're not on a solid 1515 01:38:01.439 --> 01:38:05.359 course for that. They're they're on a bumpy ride there. It's not it's 1516 01:38:05.399 --> 01:38:09.119 it's not working yet, but it might be where they're headed and maybe they 1517 01:38:09.119 --> 01:38:13.479 can fix it, but I don't. I just it just feels like the 1518 01:38:13.520 --> 01:38:15.279 mcmans are on TV because the mcman's feel like they need to be on TV, 1519 01:38:15.840 --> 01:38:19.199 and so they're just kind of doing this tongue in cheek parody of themselves 1520 01:38:19.680 --> 01:38:23.880 and they just think our, you know, our mere presence on TV is 1521 01:38:24.079 --> 01:38:27.000 is is enough to you know, add to the show. And in a 1522 01:38:27.039 --> 01:38:29.640 way, it's just taking away from it and I think making people feel just 1523 01:38:29.760 --> 01:38:33.199 kind of conflicted about the brand. One other quick inconsistency if it bothered Vinch 1524 01:38:33.279 --> 01:38:39.840 so much that Brad Maddox put the power to for John sheen or to choose 1525 01:38:39.880 --> 01:38:45.119 a Summer Slam opponent. Yeah, why is Vicky Guerrero, who is out 1526 01:38:45.159 --> 01:38:47.760 to please Vinch doing the same thing on first thing I thought of too, 1527 01:38:48.279 --> 01:38:54.520 And I don't know, weird, I don't know. Well, maybe they'll 1528 01:38:54.520 --> 01:38:57.319 address it on SmackDown on Friday, or maybe Vince will think I nobody remembers 1529 01:38:57.359 --> 01:39:00.800 that stuff. He's wrong. Yeah, that's a whole week ago, all 1530 01:39:00.880 --> 01:39:05.399 right, Jason well uh well went on that note for archdea thoughts on the 1531 01:39:05.600 --> 01:39:10.039 entire episode of Rock. We can listen to our audio updates on roll last 1532 01:39:10.119 --> 01:39:13.800 night, but yeah, I think that's uh, that's it for me. 1533 01:39:13.960 --> 01:39:18.159 So Johnny fair play tomorrow and uh talking about total more total devastok, so 1534 01:39:18.439 --> 01:39:23.479 kind Michael Kingston was the headlock come yeah, thank you, yep, absolutely 1535 01:39:24.039 --> 01:39:28.279 so until then on behalf of Jason Powell. But this waight Keller, thank 1536 01:39:28.279 --> 01:39:49.800 you signing up, invite you to email the show with feedback or questions. 1537 01:39:49.880 --> 01:39:55.760 Or comments. That email address is Wade Keller Podcast at pewtorch dot com. 1538 01:39:56.119 --> 01:40:00.520 That's way Keller Podcast at pwtorch dot com. 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