WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:02.160 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that I've been on for 2 00:00:02.240 --> 00:00:05.120 most of my life. Ever since I was a kid, I've heard tales 3 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:09.199 of bigfoot and wild men while spending time with my friends and family. As 4 00:00:09.240 --> 00:00:12.759 I grew older and read more about the paranormal, my interest in encryptids and 5 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:17.039 other things strange only deepened. That's why I'm so excited to share with you 6 00:00:17.079 --> 00:00:22.960 what I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The Untold Radio Network 7 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:27.480 is a live streaming podcast network that airs a new show every day across all 8 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:31.839 podcast platforms, YouTube, and more. 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I got a screen going on here. 18 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:14.040 Something just kid with my dog, something to kill your dog? My dog. 19 00:01:14.079 --> 00:01:15.519 We're flying through there, over the tree. I don't know how it 20 00:01:15.599 --> 00:01:21.840 did it? Okay, damn it. I'm really confused. All I saw 21 00:01:21.920 --> 00:01:23.480 was my dog coming over the fence, and name was dead once you hit 22 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:26.079 the grill. I didn't see any cars. All I saw was my dog 23 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:47.120 coming over the fence. Happen? What are you reporting? We got some 24 00:01:47.239 --> 00:01:57.640 wonder or something crawling around out here? Did you see what it was? 25 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:00.519 It was enough out here. Look, I'm new to onedow now and I 26 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:09.719 don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. Hello, hit the 27 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:14.039 Boddy out here, quin on out there. I thought of a mention about 28 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:16.439 Tech nine. I don't know. Easy ann ount there. Yeah, I'm 29 00:02:16.439 --> 00:02:20.919 walking right, heady Heathen. Thanks for joining me for the show. I 30 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:23.479 hope you're having a great weekend. I want you to do something a little 31 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:28.400 different today. It's been a while since I've posted one of my interviews on 32 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:32.439 another podcast, because typically they go into past experiences and things that I've already 33 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:36.000 shared with you guys on the show. But I got to sit down as 34 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:39.360 a guest over on Underground Radio a couple of months back, and this interview 35 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:42.719 is a little bit different. I don't really talk about a ton of the 36 00:02:42.759 --> 00:02:46.479 experiences that I've had, but we get into all kinds of conversations about bigfoot 37 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:52.039 research and evidence in general. It was a really cool interview, a really 38 00:02:52.039 --> 00:02:54.560 great conversation, and it's frankly some things that I just don't get into on 39 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:58.919 this podcast. We do a lot of that over on that Bigfoot podcast with 40 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:00.680 Wayne and I talk about some of these subjects, but I don't get to 41 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:02.800 do that a lot with you over here. So I thought I would share 42 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:06.599 it, and I hope you guys enjoy it as much as I enjoyed doing 43 00:03:06.639 --> 00:03:08.759 the interview. That's it. All that's left for you to do is sit 44 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:14.319 back, relax and enjoy the show. Hi, guys. I'm here with 45 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:17.680 a man called Brian Kane Sharp and Brian Kaney Sharp. He is known for 46 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:25.319 Sasquash Odyssey on Tool Radio Network and Bigfoot I'm Beyond and I came across Brian 47 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:30.960 in a podcast and I was actually listening to one of these podcasts on it 48 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:35.919 yesterday one of these very first podcasts that he did, where a guy called 49 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:39.919 Flint and the question was is big Fuss Nefflin? First of all, how 50 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:43.840 are you? And thanks so much for coming on the show. I'm doing 51 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:46.080 well. I appreciate the invite. What do you think about that, Brian? 52 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:51.039 Yeah, remember that episode with Flint That's come up over and over looking 53 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:55.039 into the subject because people obviously have tons of different opinions on what these things 54 00:03:55.039 --> 00:03:58.560 could be. I'm still trying to figure out if they're real or not. 55 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:01.960 I'm one of those people that is it's still skeptical. I've had experiences in 56 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:04.960 my own but I haven't seen one of these things, so it's difficult to 57 00:04:05.080 --> 00:04:10.800 say one way or the other for me. If they're one hundred percent real, 58 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:14.400 and if they are, obviously everybody has speculation on what they are, 59 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:18.720 I personally don't buy into the Nephilum theory. I don't think that there's some 60 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:21.920 sort of fallen angel. I think if they are out there and people are 61 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:26.519 certainly experiencing something, we know the phenomenon is real. But if they are 62 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:30.399 out there, I think they're more of a leftover relic hominoid of some sort, 63 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:34.079 maybe some sort of an offshoot of Gigantopithecus. Some people have talked about 64 00:04:34.120 --> 00:04:39.600 Paranthropus, and there's tons of different suspects for what these things might be, 65 00:04:39.759 --> 00:04:43.600 depending on who you have a conversation with. I'm more along the lines of 66 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:47.920 possibly a Gigantopithecus leftover or some sort of a relative to them, because I 67 00:04:47.959 --> 00:04:51.519 think it's a lot less of a stretch than some of the other characters out 68 00:04:51.519 --> 00:04:56.160 there that people have said. This could possibly be a sasquatch. But ultimately, 69 00:04:56.199 --> 00:04:59.959 the great thing about sasquatch is nobody really knows anything. It's all subjective. 70 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:03.160 We all have our opinions. But for me, short answer to your 71 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:05.959 question, I don't think neffolim is where it's at. People make a good 72 00:05:06.040 --> 00:05:10.399 argument for it in a lot of cases, but it's a stretch for me. 73 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:15.319 It's, in my opinion, trying to explain a mystery with another mystery 74 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:18.079 wrapped in an enigma, and you're throwing in some supernatural stuff and it just 75 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:21.199 doesn't compute to me. I'm more of an Ockham's razor kind of guy. 76 00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:27.839 The simplest explanation probably is the explanation. So to me, it would make 77 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:30.279 more sense that there's some sort of a relic tominoid that's left over that's went 78 00:05:30.360 --> 00:05:35.279 undetected some way, shape form or fashion versus fallen angels and something that's more 79 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:41.399 out there as far as paranormal kind of stuff, more metaphysical. I'd Ron 80 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:45.439 Morhod on the show, and he goes with that metaphysical aspect of it. 81 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:46.480 He believes in, and I can see why you too, are said, 82 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:49.600 how would you respond to that? It's funny you say that. I was 83 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:54.759 actually supposed to have Ron on a round table yesterday. We ended up having 84 00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:58.040 to cancel it for a myriad of reasons. But I've talked to Ron about 85 00:05:58.040 --> 00:06:02.120 that several times. Get where he's coming from. He's a very open minded 86 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:05.519 guy. Look, Ron's been doing this for a lot of decades, right, 87 00:06:05.639 --> 00:06:09.759 He's probably been doing this fifty years at this point, maybe longer. 88 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:13.879 We are really no closer to proving that these things are real. For people 89 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:15.879 like me and other people that are in the similar situation that I'm in, 90 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:20.319 who are into the subject, who have had experiences they can't explain, but 91 00:06:20.360 --> 00:06:25.199 we're really no closer to finding out what these things are definitively if they in 92 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:29.319 fact exist as a flesh and blood animal. I just finished Ron's new book, 93 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:32.000 Bigfoot Unveiled. I read it in one day. He talks a lot 94 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:36.639 about that, he goes into his quantum physics theories. I see that on 95 00:06:36.759 --> 00:06:41.160 a micro level. I'm not sure on a macro level. I'm buying what 96 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:46.000 he's putting down as far as the theories behind how these things could happen that 97 00:06:46.120 --> 00:06:48.360 way. But look, I've said it plenty of times. We have been 98 00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:53.519 doing the same things as far as bigfoot research for decades and decades, and 99 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:57.800 we have a produced a body. They are not recognized by science. So 100 00:06:58.000 --> 00:07:00.519 is it time to start turning over some new stone and looking in different places. 101 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:02.839 I'm certainly open to that. I talk a little bit about that in 102 00:07:02.879 --> 00:07:05.639 my own books. I Squatch on Leash, The Truth behind the Legend came 103 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:08.959 out in March. That's one of the things towards the end of the book 104 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:13.600 I talk about is do we have these lanes that we can stay in, 105 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:15.639 the flesh and blood lane or the wo or the high strangeness lane. I 106 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:19.680 think there's something to be gleaned from both of those. My personal opinion is 107 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:24.560 we need to separate those more because what we really need is more science. 108 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:28.800 There are a few scientists that are involved in bigfoot. Doctor Jeff Meldrim. 109 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:33.000 He comes to mind very physical, flesh and blood, anthropological look at these 110 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:36.879 things. He studies the morphology at the footprints and the cast and he believes 111 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:41.360 that these creatures are real based on nothing more than footprints and cast that he 112 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:44.720 is taking a look at. You got people now, like my home state 113 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:46.920 here in North Carolina, We've got Darby or cut Over at the University of 114 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:53.240 North Carolina NC State, who is actually doing a DNA study right now. 115 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:59.079 He's testing what he believes to be purported sasquatch DNA samples that people are sending 116 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:01.240 in. That's funded by the state. NC State is doing the funding for 117 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:05.639 this. That's a huge step for bigfoot because somebody's really taking a scientific look 118 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:09.720 at that. But there's only a handful of people in science that are looking 119 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:13.279 at it. When you start talking about nefhelum alien theories and quantum physics and 120 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:18.519 them coming in and out of portals and being multi dimensional, you lose the 121 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:22.199 scientist there. And I think on some level, I certainly am open minded 122 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:24.360 to that because people have those experiences and I think there's something to that. 123 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:28.600 But I'm more of a flesh and blood kind of guy, where you have 124 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:33.879 to concentrate on the flesh and blood aspect that science can then get behind, 125 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:37.480 if that makes sense, and look more deeply into the subject, because I 126 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:39.080 think until that happens, frankly, it's going to be the same thing that 127 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:43.080 we've been doing over and over again and we all expect a different result. 128 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:46.320 That has it come yet. Science has got to get involved on some level, 129 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:50.120 whether it be DNA testing or looking at these things and doing research into 130 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:54.200 them. This is something I'd do to another podcast called That Bigfoot Podcast, 131 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:56.240 Wayne, and I'm my co host on That Bigfoot Podcast. Just recorded an 132 00:08:56.279 --> 00:09:00.399 episode of that before I hopped on with you. We talked the little bit 133 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:05.720 about that because there's no real collaboration even amongst the researchers. I'm a flesh 134 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:09.080 and blood guy. Ron is not right. Ron and I can sit down 135 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:11.200 and have a cup of coffee and have a conversation, or I can have 136 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:13.519 him on for a roundtable on the show, which I've done a couple of 137 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:16.799 times, and we can agree to disagree. I believe what Ron says he 138 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:22.039 believes what I believe. I believe, but somewhere in the middle lies the 139 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:26.080 truth. And we can have those conversations. But when you have those different 140 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:31.039 facets of the research, flesh and blood creatures versus the paranormal, the woo, 141 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:33.759 the high strangeness, as long as that's going on, we can't collectively 142 00:09:33.879 --> 00:09:39.600 agree in bigfoot as Bigfoot researchers. If they're flesh and blood, are they 143 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:43.120 nephelom? Are they aliens? We can't even agree on that. So we 144 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:48.919 can't come together and collaborate and really look into the subject deeply on any level 145 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:52.240 because we're still arguing about what they are. There's so much of that going 146 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:54.399 on, and I think we just have to ultimately, people have to pick 147 00:09:54.440 --> 00:10:00.440 a lane and be open minded to both sides, but really hone in on 148 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:03.440 saying I believe these are flesh and blood creatures. If you believe they exist, 149 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:07.679 they're probably some sort of a leftover relict hominoid of some sort. Let's 150 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:11.759 go down that path and see where it leads us. And then some of 151 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:13.559 the weird stuff may come into play, and we open minded to that, 152 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:18.679 but we focus on physical evidence, anecdotal accounts, and we hone in into 153 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:22.879 a specific area where people have had a lot of experiences. Maybe we try 154 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:26.320 to do that and collaborate. That's one of the things when and I were 155 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:30.519 just talking about it's very difficult to get people to do. There are hot 156 00:10:30.559 --> 00:10:33.679 spots over here, like Area X out of Oklahoma, very famous spot with 157 00:10:33.759 --> 00:10:37.960 a North American wood Ape conservancy. They go in there and they spend months 158 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:39.759 at a time, and I've talked to tons of people that have been there. 159 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:43.519 I've probably had six or eight witnesses that have been in their long term 160 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:48.720 and had tons of experiences and seeing these things. Why aren't we all going 161 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:52.799 into that area. Why aren't all the researchers in America converging on this one 162 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:56.559 area and focusing on trying to get some evidence. Maybe it's a body, 163 00:10:56.679 --> 00:11:01.120 maybe it's collecting a specimen, Maybe it's getting visy. Maybe it's getting photographs 164 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:07.240 of individuals and multiple different time frames and different places in that area by different 165 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:09.480 people. That's where you start getting real evidence. But we're not doing that. 166 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:13.080 That's one of the things why and I just talked about. I think 167 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:16.039 it's a lot of ego comes into play. People are very secretive about their 168 00:11:16.759 --> 00:11:20.200 areas. They're very secretive about their research. They want to be the ones 169 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:24.399 to discover it. I want to be the guy who finds bigfoot. I 170 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:26.559 don't care who it is. I just want somebody to find it. And 171 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:31.919 until we all come together as a collaborative, I think we're just going to 172 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:35.279 keep beating our heads into the proverbial wall. We're going to keep documenting a 173 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:39.279 lot of anecdotal experiences people have, and occasionally they'll be footprints cast and maybe 174 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:45.519 some hair and some possible DNA, But ultimately it's going to take a collective 175 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:48.559 effort amongst all the researchers, in my opinion, to really push the ball 176 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:50.879 down the field. That was a really long answer to a short question. 177 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:54.000 No, that was a great answer, a fantastic answer. Let me ask 178 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:56.759 you this, Brian. What was the name of that place the scientists are 179 00:11:56.799 --> 00:12:01.039 studying it. What was that? It's the North of Mayor Wood Ape Conservancy. 180 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:05.919 It's a group of individuals that come together as a collective from all walks 181 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:09.960 of life. They're different types of bigfoot researchers. Some of them have jobs 182 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:13.080 sometimes that people do it full time. It's just a collective of people that 183 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:15.720 joined in as the group, and that's what they call their groups. It's 184 00:12:15.759 --> 00:12:18.200 not really anything to do with the government. But the area has been come 185 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:24.799 to be known famously as Area X because when they started going into this particular 186 00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:28.559 area, it's on the border of Oklahoma and Texas. They started Area A, 187 00:12:30.200 --> 00:12:33.279 and Area B in Area C, and so on and so forth, 188 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:35.519 because that's how they named these research areas to keep up with them. In 189 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:41.200 Area X became the most well known, at least for most Bigfoot researchers because 190 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:46.679 of the level of interactions that people were claiming to have with sasquatch in that 191 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:50.879 area. So Area X has really stuck out. There's a valley next door 192 00:12:50.960 --> 00:12:54.480 to Area X where people like Brian Brown, who used to be associated with 193 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:58.000 the North American Wood Ape Conservancy and they went off and done his own thing. 194 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:01.759 There's a valley right next door two Area X, and it has just 195 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:05.600 as much activity that's claimed by Brian and some of the other researchers that go 196 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:09.559 in there that I've interviewed on my show. If these people aren't completely delusional, 197 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:13.799 if they're not making up their stories and they're having these experiences, there 198 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:18.679 are clearly a clan of at least several individuals that people are interacting with. 199 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:24.159 They're hearing vocalizations, they're recording vocalizations. These things are throwing rocks at them. 200 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:28.759 They're seeing them physically with their own eyes. They've seen juveniles, They've 201 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:31.919 seen what look to be toddlers or babies, small versions of these creatures. 202 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:37.679 They're in the trees, swinging through the trees like they're in a jungle somewhere 203 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:43.279 in West Africa. So there's clearly something going on there. Area X is 204 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:46.399 that place. It's just become synonymous with big Foot. Rob Low, he 205 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:50.799 and his sons went out there when they were doing The Low Files several years 206 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:54.240 ago. They filmed an episode in Area X with the guys from the North 207 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:58.200 American Wood Ape Conservancy. Because Rob Low, very famous actor here in America 208 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:01.080 and really around the world, have always been fascinated with Bigfoot. They had 209 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:05.519 experiences while he was there. I've actually had Brian Brown on the show, 210 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:07.399 who was with the North American Wood Ape Conservancy and with the Lows. He 211 00:14:07.519 --> 00:14:11.440 was clear liaison on that trip and he talked about some of the things that 212 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:15.840 they experienced. They left there convinced that Bigfoot was in that area. It's 213 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:18.240 a very active area. But again to my earlier point, you have to 214 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:22.320 be invited there. They don't just let anybody come in. And I get 215 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:26.360 that on some level because I have forty acres of property here that I research 216 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:28.519 on. It's where our house is, so I'm very protective of that because 217 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:33.799 it's where I live. But I do occasionally invite researchers on because we've had 218 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:37.879 activity here. We've heard vocalizations, cast footprints here, we've been here. 219 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:41.639 We've on the property since the end of twenty seventeen, and over the course 220 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:46.279 of however many years that is six years whatever, we've heard vocalizations a myriad 221 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:50.879 of times. Earlier on we started hearing distant vocalizations, and we've heard what 222 00:14:52.039 --> 00:14:56.360 sounds like the Ohio how For anybody who's into Bigfoot Matt Moneymaker's famous Ohio Howe 223 00:14:56.480 --> 00:15:01.399 that you hear the oh the really loud lafe songs kind of siren call. 224 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:03.919 We heard that fifty yards from our house a couple of years ago. The 225 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:07.679 footprints, the last set of footprints I cast last summer, which are about 226 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:11.320 fourteen and a half inches long and at their widest they're about seven and a 227 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:16.000 half to eight inches wide. At the heel. You can see pictures of 228 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:20.120 these in the book Sasquatch Unleased The Truths Behind the Legend. I've included that 229 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:24.080 there. It's the only place I've released these photographs because the foot cast turned 230 00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:28.000 out too good. They're really the best that I've cast, and I've cast 231 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:33.080 probably five or six different sets over the last couple of years in and around 232 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:37.600 our property here. There were fifty sixty yards from our house, just up 233 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:41.960 near a chicken coop in the woods, so very close by. I've had 234 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:48.200 weird things happen with gifting stumps, things have been left on weird places. 235 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:52.679 There's a bunch of weird tree breaks. We found, weird tree structures, 236 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:56.519 so it's a lot of anecdotal stuff. I've never seen the big Foot here. 237 00:15:56.799 --> 00:16:00.799 I've heard those things, I've cast the footprints, I've seen what there's 238 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:03.720 considered to be evidence with the tree breaks and the tree structures, but I 239 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:06.279 can't definitively say it's a big foot. I never have and never will. 240 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:08.720 I said all that to say it is where I live, so I'm very 241 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:11.720 protective of my home. A lot of people listen to my show, and 242 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:15.960 I've made some enemies out there, so I don't invite just everybody to, 243 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:18.399 hey, here's my address, come in research on my property. But when 244 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:22.960 you do have areas like Area X, and you do have places that people 245 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:27.279 could go and collaborate, I think just in my opinion, again, my 246 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:30.240 opinion is what it is. Everybody has one, but I believe that we 247 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:34.720 should be doing more collaboratively to look for these creatures in areas like that, 248 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:38.440 because what happens is everybody goes out in the woods. Just because there's woods 249 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:42.320 doesn't mean there's necessarily a sasquatch there, right, just like a black bear 250 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:47.240 or a certain kind of a bird, or mountain lions or whatever the case 251 00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:49.440 may be. Yes, they exist, Yes they're in wooded areas, but 252 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:53.200 they may not be where you are. But if you've narrowed down through years 253 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:57.600 of research that there is a lot of sightings, there's a lot of anecdotal 254 00:16:57.639 --> 00:17:03.120 accounts, a lot of researchers have had experiences and maybe even gathered evidence. 255 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:07.920 Maybe there's some photographs, maybe there's some recordings of sounds, vocalizations, those 256 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:11.480 kind of things. Maybe it's foot castings from footprints trackways. If you know 257 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:15.960 that's happening, and we all concentrate instead of everybody being spread out doing their 258 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:18.759 own thing. I think you're going to get a better result. Right, 259 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:22.160 If you've got more eyes and boots on the ground looking in a certain area 260 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:26.720 where these things probably are, you had a better chance of finding one. 261 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:30.440 There are hundreds of millions of acres of open land here in North America where 262 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:33.839 people go out and look for bigfoot. I may never find it because I 263 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:37.440 never go to that one spot where it's at right, I don't know. 264 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:40.079 I just want people to be more collaborative. I would love for that to 265 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:42.440 happen. It's just been on my mind so much recently that and think if 266 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:45.480 we come together and start talking. That's what happened in the UFO field. 267 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:49.799 I think a lot of individuals were doing a lot of stuff related to UAPs 268 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:53.359 and UFOs over the years. There's researchers that have done their own documentaries, 269 00:17:53.400 --> 00:17:57.079 and then you watch a UFO documentary, there's six or eight of these brilliant 270 00:17:57.240 --> 00:18:02.839 minds that have been looking into them. They finally came together and collaborated, 271 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:06.400 and what happened. We started getting a little bit of disclosure. And I'm 272 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:11.359 not saying it's necessarily related all those things could be completely oblivious to the other 273 00:18:11.480 --> 00:18:14.119 and may not have anything to do with the other. But I feel that 274 00:18:14.279 --> 00:18:19.000 personally that once those people started coming together collaboratively, things started happening. The 275 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:22.119 more you collaborate and the more you work together and you got more minds on 276 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:25.799 a problem, I think, the better off you're going to be ultimately. 277 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:30.359 How many people have you interviews? How many stories of your collector? At 278 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:34.440 this point there are I think four hundred and sixty episodes of Sasquatch Odyssey. 279 00:18:34.559 --> 00:18:38.440 Well, there's typically one interview per episode, but you got to figure there's 280 00:18:40.279 --> 00:18:44.759 probably another one hundred plus of people that have shared their story with me that 281 00:18:44.920 --> 00:18:48.920 never make it on the air to Sasquatch Odyssey. So I would say at 282 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:53.119 least five hundred people at this point as a conservative estimate of people that have 283 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:57.920 claimed have had some sort of experience with Bigfoot. What is the one really 284 00:18:59.079 --> 00:19:02.440 puzzles here, Not the one the most interests you, but the one that 285 00:19:02.559 --> 00:19:06.599 most puzzles here, the one that leads you most unsettled. There's a couple 286 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:11.319 of those that come to mind over the years. This one I talked about 287 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:14.839 so many times recently about a hunter who felt like he was being drawn in 288 00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:19.000 by a s asquatch doing wood knocks. Again, it's completely subjective. He 289 00:19:19.079 --> 00:19:22.720 has no way of proving his feeling. But I think that really stuck out 290 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:26.759 to me because afterwards he told me he felt like this thing was drawing him 291 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:30.400 in to do something nefarious. He felt like it was drawing him into that 292 00:19:30.519 --> 00:19:33.720 area for a reason. He ended up getting out unscathed. He said he 293 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:36.799 came face to face with this thing. He backed up, he got away, 294 00:19:37.359 --> 00:19:40.000 made it out of the area. But that stuck out to me because 295 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:44.319 he had this overwhelming feeling that this thing meant to do him harm. Maybe 296 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:45.599 this thing. To add that, he had a pretty powerful weapon. He 297 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:48.799 didn't shoot the thing or anything, but he did have a weapon, and 298 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:51.359 he thinks they'd know what they are and what it could do. So he 299 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:53.799 feels like he made it out unscathed. But there's been so many over the 300 00:19:53.920 --> 00:20:00.119 years. There's one in particular early on the show that stuck out because there 301 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:03.640 was a couple of times where we're having issues with dogs being injured and even 302 00:20:03.720 --> 00:20:07.039 keeled by a sasquatch. That's a reoccurring theme that people have said these things 303 00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:12.000 don't like dogs, they have bad interactions with them. I've interviewed people who've 304 00:20:12.039 --> 00:20:15.400 claimed to see these things coming off of it landed alien craft, and they've 305 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:19.839 claimed to see bigfoot walking down and coming off of these crafts. So that 306 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:25.480 sort of feeds into this possible alien bigfoot connection that I, frankly I don't 307 00:20:25.519 --> 00:20:29.119 really buy into so much. Again, I'm not saying that's not possible. 308 00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:33.319 It's just not where I focus because those are the exception to the rule when 309 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:37.960 it comes to most mundane. Seeing an eight to nine foot tall, hairy 310 00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:42.359 bipedal ape in North America that's not supposed to exist can be pretty mundane, 311 00:20:42.440 --> 00:20:45.640 right, it's a hunter out they see this thing walking past, it's a 312 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:49.640 glimpsing thing, they see it running across a field or whatever. But you 313 00:20:49.720 --> 00:20:56.000 do have those occasions where people have those outlandish, sort of high strangeness things 314 00:20:56.079 --> 00:21:00.880 where orbs are involved, alien craft, strange lights and other things. So 315 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:04.119 it really runs the gamut for me. But some of those really stuck out 316 00:21:04.160 --> 00:21:08.599 to me. When people have strange experience, some of the habituation stuff really 317 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:12.319 sticks out to me. It's one of those things that interests me. But 318 00:21:12.519 --> 00:21:17.799 it's also been very frustrating for me because you talk to people who say they 319 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:21.559 deal with these things in an habituation situation, meaning it's an ongoing interaction, 320 00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:26.240 sometimes for decades. Right. There's a very famous one from Tennessee, Fifty 321 00:21:26.359 --> 00:21:30.079 Years with Bigfoot, the Mary Green Book with Janis Carter. I've never talked 322 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:33.720 to Janis. I've had people who have interviewed her on the show, and 323 00:21:33.759 --> 00:21:37.400 I've played some of her interview and talked about that at length. That story 324 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:44.400 stuck out because fifty years her family was supposed to be living alongside a group 325 00:21:44.440 --> 00:21:47.440 of sasquatch, not just one, not just two, but a family, 326 00:21:47.559 --> 00:21:52.160 a clan of these things over a period of five decades. If you've ever 327 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:56.519 seen the evidence that's been produced from that, some of the photographs of footprints 328 00:21:56.559 --> 00:22:00.680 and those things, it is definitely not what you would ect, at least 329 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:04.000 for me as an investigator, to say, if you spend fifty years with 330 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:07.400 these things, you should have some pretty good video, you should have some 331 00:22:07.480 --> 00:22:11.839 pretty good photographs. You should have some physical evidence that they've left behind, 332 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:15.799 whether it be hair or something else that could possibly be tested. I've interviewed 333 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:18.960 several people in habituation situations. I'd probably say at this point maybe three or 334 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:22.559 four. And I've actually talked to a gentleman just a couple of days ago. 335 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:25.319 They we're going to get scheduled for the show that it's claimed to be 336 00:22:25.519 --> 00:22:29.799 in a habituation situation for the last three years, and almost without fail when 337 00:22:29.839 --> 00:22:33.319 I say to these people off the air during conversations initially, hey, if 338 00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:37.680 you've been dealing with these things for five years, you move from one state 339 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:40.759 to another and they followed you to your new home, you've got to have 340 00:22:40.880 --> 00:22:42.720 some pretty good evidence. You've got photographs, right, You got video of 341 00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:45.480 these things because they're in your yard. Oh yeah, I've got tons of 342 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:49.240 photographs. They'll send me twenty five photographs and it sticks trees and leaves. 343 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:55.400 We call them blob squatches. There's literally nothing there. So it's very frustrating 344 00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:59.480 to me because I think those stories are very interesting for a myriad of reasons, 345 00:22:59.799 --> 00:23:03.400 just claim of having this hairy, big bipedal eight that's not supposed to 346 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:07.200 exist in and around your property and your home and sometimes in some cases interacting 347 00:23:07.240 --> 00:23:11.119 with you and your family on a regular basis. Yet there's never any proof 348 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:15.880 for it. At least it's not definitive proof. For me, those are 349 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:21.079 some frustrating things that I deal with as an investigator because it's difficult to listen 350 00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:26.799 to those stories and expect that somebody has this ongoing interaction with these creatures yet 351 00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:30.400 there's really no physical evidence to prove it. But these people can be very 352 00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:33.039 convincing, and most of them are. I've said this so many times on 353 00:23:33.079 --> 00:23:36.799 the show. I've never had anybody on the show that I don't believe, 354 00:23:37.279 --> 00:23:41.160 believe that they have the experience that they share. Sometimes it happens only in 355 00:23:41.240 --> 00:23:45.440 their mind. Sometimes it happens in real life. Maybe it's not exactly like 356 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:49.160 they say. You've never had anybody on the show who you know, they 357 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:52.519 knew that they were bluffing, like somebody that came on the show and they 358 00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:56.200 knew that they were just trying to pull a fast one on you. I 359 00:23:56.240 --> 00:23:59.920 don't think I've ever interviewed anybody that. I think. There might have been 360 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:03.839 one person that I scrapped the interview a couple of years ago, but I 361 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:07.160 think that was more of a mental health issue. Once I got twenty minutes 362 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:11.079 into having a conversation with this gentleman, it was fairly clear to me without 363 00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:15.160 being a psychologist or a psychiatrist that he might have had some mental health issues 364 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:19.160 on board. So I scrapped that because I just I couldn't put it out 365 00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:25.359 there because I felt like he was more delusional. However, as far as 366 00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:27.400 other people on the show, I don't think I've ever had anybody that I've 367 00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:32.119 aired their episode that I knew for a fact was lying to me or making 368 00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:36.200 up their story. Has that happened, I'm sure it has. You can't 369 00:24:36.279 --> 00:24:38.680 have an encounter's show like mine. There's other encounter shows out there that deal 370 00:24:38.720 --> 00:24:44.839 with dog Man and even other Bigfoot encounters podcasts that have a thousand episodes out 371 00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:48.680 there, so that is going to happen. But I've never knowingly aired somebody's 372 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:52.680 episode that I knew was just BS and me. Hands down, sure, 373 00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:56.720 I would imagine You've got a good eye or ear for that. Because you 374 00:24:56.240 --> 00:25:00.640 are from a law of background. You were a police officer for sixteen years, 375 00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:04.880 was it our Did you ever experience anything as a police officer? Did 376 00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:08.960 you ever, for example, go to a scene that might have been directly 377 00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:14.119 or indirectly related to a sasquash? No, Because I policed in the city 378 00:25:14.119 --> 00:25:18.920 of Atlanta, it's a very urban area. It is urban sprawl. It's 379 00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:22.000 a big city. There's some areas and neighborhoods on the outskirts of town that 380 00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:26.039 I policed, but never anything that would be conducive to having a creature like 381 00:25:26.119 --> 00:25:29.039 that. If it's a flesh and blood creature. Now, if they're coming 382 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:32.279 in and out of portals or other dimensions, I guess they could be anywhere. 383 00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:37.160 But no, I never really experienced anything that it would be considered related 384 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:40.359 to Bigfoot. Nothing really paranormal at all, ghosts or anything like that. 385 00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:44.160 You do have those calls that you look back on as an investigator who was 386 00:25:44.200 --> 00:25:48.359 into the paranormal, into ghosts, into UFOs, and obviously Bigfoot. I 387 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:52.119 look back on some of those calls that I answered in the past where strange 388 00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:56.000 things were happening with people's alarms and they thought they were prowlers, or even 389 00:25:56.079 --> 00:26:00.359 hearing things in their house where they thought people breaking in or something like that. 390 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:03.319 I look back now and think, yeah, could it be that they 391 00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:07.759 were having some sort of a poultry guised activity or something weird. Stay tuned 392 00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:15.960 for more Sasquat Chat to see We'll be right back after these messages in the 393 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:21.000 whole history of bigfoot phenomena. Has there ever been a case that has been 394 00:26:21.079 --> 00:26:23.279 in the city. Has it always been in the woods? Has there ever 395 00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:26.880 been a case where there's been a big foot slizing actually in a city. 396 00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:32.119 Yeah. I think it's more so than you would imagine. Now when you 397 00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:37.000 say city, I wouldn't say bigfoot walking down a main street in town, 398 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:40.680 No, but on the outskirts certainly. That's one of the things that has 399 00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:42.839 really fascinated me about this subject the more I got into it. Because when 400 00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:47.960 I first got into the subject and really started digging into it, you think 401 00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:51.200 you have to be deep in the woods to have an experience. Once you 402 00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:55.440 start really looking into the subject and really talking to people who've had experiences or 403 00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:57.839 claimed to have had experiences of bigfoot, it is more on the edges. 404 00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:06.240 It's on the peripher of where civilization meets wooded areas greenways. For example, 405 00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:10.680 here in the States, there's a greenway just probably six miles from me on 406 00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:12.759 the road that I live on. When you drive out here to my property, 407 00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:15.799 if you could see it now, it is nothing but thick wooded area. 408 00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:19.759 It's forty acres and there's nothing but hundreds of acres of just property around 409 00:27:19.880 --> 00:27:25.480 us. Our nearest neighbor full time neighbor, is about three quarters of a 410 00:27:25.519 --> 00:27:30.160 mile away, so we're very remote. Ten minutes from town is not that 411 00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:33.960 remote, right. I've been on expeditions to places like Radium, BC, 412 00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:37.559 Canada. I was up there last October on the expedition for about seven days. 413 00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:41.759 We were eighteen miles deep in the woods in that particular area, no 414 00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:47.839 cell service for thirty miles. We lost cell service thirty miles before we turned 415 00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:51.279 off onto the road that took us another eighteen miles deep into the woods. 416 00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:55.039 The only connection we had was a generator that brought up starlink, and we 417 00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:56.920 turned that on one time middle of the week just to let everybody know we 418 00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:00.319 were still alive. And then that was it. And we had experiences there. 419 00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:03.519 I didn't see one, heard some things, got some rocks thrown at 420 00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:07.480 us a couple of times. Heard wood knocks, heard whoops, heard what 421 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:11.559 sounds like samurai chatter from Ron Moorehead's Seierra sounds. As a matter of fact, 422 00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:15.559 it sounded very similar to some of the stuff that Ron has produced on 423 00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:18.759 his CDs. But we're eighteen miles deep in the woods, but I just 424 00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:23.039 interviewed a guy a couple of weeks back from Scott Nelson. I was listening 425 00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:27.279 to that interview where Scott Nelson was talking about the language of the Is that 426 00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:30.200 the guy you were going to say? No. I did interview Scott late 427 00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:33.920 last year because we hung out together at a conference here in North Carolina, 428 00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:37.920 but that wasn't where I was going. There's a guy that I interviewed here 429 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:41.640 in North Carolina that back in the seventies he had a couple of sightings and 430 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:45.599 close encounters with Bigfoot that he claims happened in a cul de sac in an 431 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:51.160 area surrounded by homes that back up to the woods. So again he's on 432 00:28:51.279 --> 00:28:56.480 that edge of there's homes in this area that are just like any other neighborhood 433 00:28:56.480 --> 00:28:59.920 that you would see across America, but it backs up into wooded areas, 434 00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:03.039 and these things are coming in because I think what happens is it's very much 435 00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:07.880 like other wild animals. You see a lot of deer in neighborhoods, right, 436 00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:10.599 People smack deer on the road all the time going in and out of 437 00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:12.640 their homes, and I think it's the same thing for Bigfoot. These things 438 00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:15.640 are out there. I think they're coming in just like other animals, because 439 00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:21.160 when we go closer to the woods, and I say we as in people, 440 00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:25.559 we go farther and encroach in those areas and we build those edges. 441 00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:30.720 I think animals come in because there's agriculture there. We plant flowers, we 442 00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:33.559 plant gardens, we plant corn. Deer come in and eat those. Rabbit 443 00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:37.880 come in and eat those. Then predators follow the rabbits and the deer, 444 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:41.799 so you have predators. And if sasquatch is what I think it is, 445 00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:45.440 it's an apex predator. It eats deer, it may eat rabbits. So 446 00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:48.960 you're creating these edges, and I think it brings them in closer. So 447 00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:52.720 you don't have to be ten miles deep into the woods to have an experience 448 00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:59.119 with these things. Most of the experiences are anecdotal accounts that I have documented 449 00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:03.000 on my show and talk to people just in general. They're in a national 450 00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:07.039 park, maybe a half a mile away from their car from a parking area 451 00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:10.240 where there's forty five other cars parked, and there's people all around, and 452 00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:12.880 they're having these experiences. It's more of an edge. I don't think there's 453 00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:17.720 any Bigfoot stuff going on in the middle of the metropolis, like the city 454 00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:22.359 of Atlanta, but thirty miles away from Atlanta and some of these rural areas 455 00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:27.240 outside on what would be considered the suburbs. Absolutely there, people haven't experience 456 00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:30.599 it. I think it happens a lot more on the edge, closer to 457 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:37.160 what you would consider city town civilization than people would expect. Out of all 458 00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:41.480 the video evidence, the famous video. Do you think the Patterson video is 459 00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:45.240 real? What big video evidence do you think is fake? And what do 460 00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:48.440 you think is real? Which ones do you think are real? Big? 461 00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:52.400 My opinion has changed so many times on the PG film. I've done entire 462 00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:56.279 episodes breaking down the pgfilm. What I did the last time I did a 463 00:30:56.359 --> 00:31:00.680 breakdown was really look at Bob Gimlin is still live. Obviously, Roger Patterson 464 00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:04.400 passed away in the seventies. All we really have is Bob and Bob's story 465 00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:08.119 and then the footage. That's really all we have. And Bob's story has 466 00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:12.920 never changed from nineteen sixty seven until now. His story has pretty much stayed 467 00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:17.759 the same. I try to approach it like a criminal investigation. So I 468 00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:19.880 looked at what he said because that's really the most important thing. Yeah, 469 00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:23.839 the video is very important, but it is what it is. It's grainy, 470 00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:27.119 there's been tons of work done. It has been improved over the years 471 00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:30.039 and you can see a lot more, but it is what it is. 472 00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:33.559 Right, We're never going to learn definitively from the film, or it would 473 00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:36.400 have already been done. So you really have to concentrate on what the person 474 00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:40.599 says and did. This last year, I got in the archives of the 475 00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:45.480 Sasquatch Archives. Actually, Todd Prescott runs that YouTube channel. Todd has a 476 00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:49.200 ton of historical Sasquatch stuff, whether it be interviews, videos, those kind 477 00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:53.240 of things. I reached out to Todd because he has a video interview of 478 00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:57.640 Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin. I think it's five days after they filmed the 479 00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:02.240 Patty film. It's their first first interview ever on a radio station in Canada. 480 00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:06.559 So I pulled that interview. Todd gave me permission to use it on 481 00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:09.119 the show. So I pulled about three minutes of that interview out and I 482 00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:13.079 concentrated on the story that Bob said. I listened to the entire thing. 483 00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:15.640 It's about twenty five minutes of the interview that he has. It's not the 484 00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:20.039 full interview, but that's all that survived. So I listened to that twenty 485 00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:22.519 five minutes of what Bob and Roger said that day, five days after this, 486 00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:25.559 and then I went back to one of the most recent Bob doesn't do 487 00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:29.519 a ton of interviews. He's ninety one years old at this point. He 488 00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:32.480 doesn't do a ton of public speaking anymore or podcast. So I went back 489 00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:37.920 to twenty nineteen and looked at a video interview. I watched his body language, 490 00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:40.359 I listened to what he said. With a few exceptions, very little 491 00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:45.799 changed. So I had to say, either this guy has practiced this and 492 00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:50.160 told it so many times over the last fifty plus years that he has just 493 00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:53.359 gotten it down pad and it hasn't changed, or he's just recalling and telling 494 00:32:53.440 --> 00:33:00.000 the truth. Given the totality of the circumstances, I'm not convinced one hundred 495 00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:04.519 percent that it's real, but I'm about eighty percent leaning towards the Patterson Gimlin 496 00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:07.440 film being a real sasquatch in the film. The other one that sticks out 497 00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:12.519 to me is the Freeman footage from nineteen ninety two Paul Freeman out of the 498 00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:15.599 Blues Mountains. It's that famous. He's walking along and he's talking and this 499 00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:19.799 thing steps across it and he goes, oh, there he goes, and 500 00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:22.839 you see this big figure. Doug Hichak's a good friend of mine, the 501 00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:25.440 creator and executive producer of Monster Quest for many years. Most people are into 502 00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:30.920 Bigfoot or UFOs are probably see The Monster Quest. But Doug did a breakdown. 503 00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:34.279 He and his sons really worked hard over the last It took him twenty 504 00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:37.039 years really, but just in the last couple of years. Michael Freeman, 505 00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:40.359 Paul Freeman's son, wrote a book a couple of years ago called The Freeman 506 00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:45.000 Bigfoot Files about his dad's evidence about the film, and they spent time to 507 00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:50.440 enhance. They slowed down. Doug actually bought some I don't know what he 508 00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:52.799 bought from the military to enhance this, but he spent a lot of money 509 00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:55.960 to enhance this film. And if you haven't seen the enhanced version of it, 510 00:33:57.039 --> 00:33:59.960 you can get it if you buy Michael's book The Freeman Bigfoot Fight. 511 00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:01.519 I've seen it. Michael send it to me when I interviewed him a couple 512 00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:06.119 of years ago, and I was blown away because you can see this thing 513 00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:10.360 walk across this trail, and in the enhanced version that slowed down and looped 514 00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:15.239 and zoomed in, you see this big, massive creature walk over to a 515 00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:19.360 tree and it looks like it picks up a toddler or a baby off of 516 00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:22.800 the tree, and just like any other mom or dad would do, puts 517 00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:25.800 it on its waist and you see this little thing's feet. It's amazing footage. 518 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:29.960 It really blew me away. We actually did a conference, a speaking 519 00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:34.679 gig last summer out in Idaho. It was me, Michael Freeman, doctor 520 00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:37.880 Jeff Melvern was there, Cliff Barricktman from Finding Bigfoot. We were on the 521 00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:42.039 panel and we showed the film and we talked about it. It's like the 522 00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:45.360 Patterson Gimblin film. You're not going to get a definitive answer from the film, 523 00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:49.360 But for me, it's the totality of the circumstances. Michael was about 524 00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:52.039 twelve or thirteen, I think when his dad filmed that, maybe a little 525 00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:57.960 younger, and his dad came home so excited and he showed him this film. 526 00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:00.280 He said, Brian, we watched this tape so many times. I 527 00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:02.760 thought my dad was going to break it because he was so excited, and 528 00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:06.760 Michael had a friend over. He said, he made us watch this big 529 00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:09.320 Foot like twenty five times, and he's putting this tape in the VCR and 530 00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:12.880 he's thinking he's going to break this tape. People have accused him of hoaxing 531 00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:15.280 the foot prints, the cast from that day, and I tell you I 532 00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:19.000 was on the fence about it until I had that conversation with Michael, and 533 00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:22.960 it dawned on me. People will hoax just about anybody, right. People 534 00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:28.920 will lie to people, people will hoax people. But Michael was very close 535 00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:30.480 to his dad, He was very close to both of his sons. He 536 00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:35.320 loved his family. He's not going to hoax his twelve or thirteen year old 537 00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:39.400 son. And for him to come home as excited as he was to share 538 00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:43.719 that with his son that way, it convinced me beyond a reasonable doubt at 539 00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:47.159 that point that it was a legitimate video of a sasquatch. So those two 540 00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:52.599 things really stuck out. This the Russian video from years ago, with this 541 00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:55.159 thing stretches its arms and legs out. It's a really quick thing that goes 542 00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:59.480 through. That's pretty compelling to me. I wish it could be cleaned up 543 00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:02.480 and hands a little bit. But it's very difficult, honestly, with AI. 544 00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:07.639 At this point, just about everything that comes out in the last year 545 00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:12.199 or so has just really soured it for me because it's so difficult to tell 546 00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:15.159 the difference in some of these photographs and some of these videos that people are 547 00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:19.320 putting out. And then AI is getting smarter. You used to be able 548 00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:22.000 to look at the hands and the feet and they would always be really weird 549 00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:23.760 and some of the AI stuff. But the AI's gotten smart. The people 550 00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:29.199 who are doing the AI have started working on fixing that, so it makes 551 00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:31.800 it even more difficult because they fix the hand problem. The hands look good 552 00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:35.360 now, the fingers look good, the toes look good, the eyes look 553 00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:38.079 good. I've seen a few compelling photographs that people have shown me privately. 554 00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:42.719 That's not out in the zeitgeist for everybody to go to speaking events and do 555 00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:45.880 conferences and things, and people come up and want to share their story. 556 00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:49.519 They don't want to be called kooky or crazy or be accused of hoaxing, 557 00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:52.880 And unfortunately that happens a lot. There's a lot of people out there who 558 00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:55.760 put things out that I don't believe are real, that sour it for the 559 00:36:55.840 --> 00:37:00.800 rest of us if it doesn't look as good as tie standing stuff. And 560 00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:05.159 I think Todd's videos are fake. I've told him that there's no qualms about 561 00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:07.639 that. Todd and I have a history of going back and forth about that. 562 00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:10.760 But if it doesn't look like that, then people think it's fake. 563 00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:15.000 So why put it out and go through the ridicule. Show it to somebody 564 00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:16.360 like me who's probably going to say, yeah, man, that's a really 565 00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:20.679 cool picture. I believe that what you've captured might be a bigfoot, and 566 00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:22.400 then move on and then they're satisfied. They don't have to put it out 567 00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:25.559 there for everybody else to see. Are there people who just come and just 568 00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:29.440 tell you their story once and they just leave it at that. These are 569 00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:30.960 like people who just don't want the theme. They just want to get their 570 00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:36.800 story out there and be done with us. So many people again come up 571 00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:40.639 to me in person at festivals, at conferences, or sometimes in the grocery 572 00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:45.239 store. I've literally come out of the grocery store here and people listen to 573 00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:47.760 the show and they know they see me, They see that I might have 574 00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:50.679 a T shirt on or something, and they just want to come up and 575 00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:52.920 tell me their story. It happened so many times. We get emails a 576 00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:57.000 lot of times. I just want to tell you my story. I respect 577 00:37:57.079 --> 00:38:00.159 what you do. I believe in in your calls. I believe you doing 578 00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:01.880 it for the right reason. I want to tell you my story and I 579 00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:05.320 ask him, you want to come on the show share it. I believe 580 00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:07.400 this is important for everybody to hear, and they just don't want to do 581 00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:09.440 it. They don't want to be on the radio, they don't want to 582 00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:12.639 be on the air, they don't want to be on a podcast. One 583 00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:15.039 of the main reasons I started sasquatch Otasy was to get the stories out there 584 00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:19.440 because there's so much to be learned, I think from these anecdotal accounts, 585 00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:25.159 because we're documenting some of the same exact behavior in Australia, in the UK, 586 00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:29.760 some cases, even Ireland. Believe it or not, people have claimed 587 00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:32.880 to have seen and had experiences with things over there. That's happening in the 588 00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:37.880 Pacific Northwest, that's happening in Florida, that's happening in Georgia, that's happening 589 00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:42.559 in Idaho, that's happening in Missouri. You document all of these encounters and 590 00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:46.840 then you can go back. Because podcasts are really repositories of information. It's 591 00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:51.239 out there until I take it down or I could die today. All of 592 00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:53.159 those episodes that I've put out over the last few years are still going to 593 00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:57.840 be there one hundred years from now in theory for people to go back and 594 00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:00.920 listen to and go, Man, he talked to that guy in two thousand 595 00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:06.119 and one, and then he interviewed that guy in twenty twenty four that had 596 00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:08.360 the same experience in Florida. That's weird, man, How does that happen? 597 00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:13.519 These people don't know each other, so you get that information. And 598 00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:15.760 that's what I wanted to do as a podcaster, is just be a gatherer 599 00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:20.960 of information and put it together in a repository for people to come back and 600 00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:25.239 listen to anytime they wanted and get the information from. Because somebody may say 601 00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:30.199 something two years ago that won't make sense until I interview this person four years 602 00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:34.320 from then, and then you put those two pieces together and go, Wow, 603 00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:37.280 maybe that's what it was doing, or maybe that's what happened. I 604 00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:38.280 don't know. That's why I keep doing the show. Man. I love 605 00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:42.760 the stories. I love talking to people. I love hearing their experiences. 606 00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:45.239 Ultimately, I want to know if these things are real. I'd love to 607 00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:49.159 have an experience where I see one, so I know, beyond a shadow 608 00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:52.039 of a doubt. I may never get there, but at least I can 609 00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:54.760 talk to people who have, and I can put that information together and then 610 00:39:54.920 --> 00:40:00.679 use it for myself to form a better hypothesis. You my own research learn 611 00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:04.559 from. That's what it's really all about for me is learning and seeking the 612 00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:08.880 answers. I found Scott Nelson's podcast, which you're very good like Scott Nelson. 613 00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:15.840 He's a language expert. He's convinced that these creatures have their own language. 614 00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:19.800 Scott's an interesting character. He has definitely got his opinions. He's a 615 00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:23.000 crypto linguist. He did that in the military. He decoded tons of things 616 00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:27.000 for the military. I take what he says with a grain of salt. 617 00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:30.960 I can hear what sounds like or language, because if you're really talking about 618 00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:34.519 a language, we're not necessarily talking about a language. The way you and 619 00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:38.599 I are speaking now, or somebody would be speaking in French or Italian or 620 00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:44.440 whatever language is simply communication, right. They're sign language. You don't have 621 00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:46.679 to say a word. We can communicate with each other. We just signs. 622 00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:51.239 So in that aspect, if you just get down to the basics of 623 00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:54.159 what language is, then yeah, there's probably some sort of language. If 624 00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:59.159 these are in fact Sasquatch. They are clearly trying to communicate with each other 625 00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:02.199 and or with Ron and Alberry and the other guys that were there, because 626 00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:07.760 they're making vocalizations. Those mean something. Right when you hear birds chirping or 627 00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:09.920 singing or whatever. They're not talking to you, they're talking to each other, 628 00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:13.679 but you can still hear the language. There's a language there because those 629 00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:16.360 things mean different things. Certainly, I think it's possible that's what they captured. 630 00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:20.599 One of the main questions that I wanted done. And I've seen him 631 00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:22.840 a couple of times since this came up on another podcast I think it was 632 00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:28.559 late last year or early this year. There's probably another twelve plus hours of 633 00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:32.199 the Sierra sounds that Ron and Alberry and those guys recorded that we've never heard. 634 00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:37.000 And that's one of the conversations I wanted to have with Ron yesterday on 635 00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:38.400 the roundtable. That's that I'm just going to bring up to him. Put 636 00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:42.480 them on the spot and say, we've got these I think he's got three 637 00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:45.960 CDs and they may be forty five to fifty minutes total, but if you 638 00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:47.639 go to YouTube and type in Sierra Sounds, you're going to get about four 639 00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:53.239 minutes and fifty four seconds. It's all the most famous things from all the 640 00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:59.320 stuff that they recorded. But yeah, he admitted in another interview last year 641 00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:01.159 over on Pine Island Research, I think with Jeff. He was on with 642 00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:05.199 Todd niece, and Todd said, yeah, but we were sitting around and 643 00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:07.440 Ron told me we got like another twelve hours of this stuff that we've never 644 00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:10.679 put out or nobody's ever even broken down, And I'm like, why are 645 00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:14.679 we not hearing this? So I'm definitely going to ask Ron, we're going 646 00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:17.639 to reschedule the roundtable. Do you think these creatures that they want to be 647 00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:21.920 seen? Do they want to be heard? That's something that comes up often 648 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:25.519 with people. There's people who believe that these things have some sort of ability 649 00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:30.719 to connect with people, the mind speak, the telepathic communication, and then 650 00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:34.840 they're just people who believe, for whatever reason, maybe it's a little bit 651 00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:37.239 more of the high strange iness aspect of it, that for some reason they 652 00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:42.199 show themselves to other people and don't show themselves to some people. You have 653 00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:44.920 to be ready to see them, or they have to want to be seen 654 00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:49.320 by you. That's a difficult road for me to hold because in order for 655 00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:52.320 me to go down that path, I would have to believe that there's something 656 00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:55.519 more to them than flesh and blood. One of the most common situations where 657 00:42:55.559 --> 00:43:00.320 people see these things, they're crossing the road roadside crossings, right, somebody's 658 00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:04.679 going down the road sixteen miles an hour and they see the flash go across 659 00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:07.440 the road. Is that them showing themselves to you because you just happen to 660 00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:10.599 be driving by and your prius. I think if that's what happens, and 661 00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:14.800 it is a sasquatch, they're just getting from one place to another. It's 662 00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:16.880 no different than my neighbor seeing me drive from here to Walmart to pick up 663 00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:21.280 some groceries. I think these things are just moving and doing what they do, 664 00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:24.719 and people happen to see them. And then some people want to project 665 00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:29.840 more onto the situation and say, oh, he showed himself to me because 666 00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:32.480 he wanted me to see him. I don't necessarily buy that. I think 667 00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:36.519 you're just in the right place at the right time or the wrong place at 668 00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:38.599 the wrong time, according to some people when they have their experiences, and 669 00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:43.320 I don't think there's really anything more to it than that, honestly. Now. 670 00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:45.360 I heard you speaking once in the podcast and you said how you were 671 00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:49.360 you went into the wilderness. I think it might have been with Todd and 672 00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:52.800 that you saw UFO and you heard tree knocks. Can you talk about that? 673 00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:58.159 What happened there? Yeah? That it was the second night. I 674 00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:00.360 believe we were in Radium and Todd WI. Theyre Todd and Ashley were coming 675 00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:04.719 in the next day. It was just me, Richard and his son Kyle. 676 00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:08.039 We're sitting around the fire and we had an entire night of UFO experiences. 677 00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:14.280 Little blue balls of light that we saw that I estimated probably eighty thousand 678 00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:17.320 feet in the air, traveling upwards of twenty twenty five hundred miles an hour. 679 00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:22.320 At some point we watched them through binoculars, which was a little bit 680 00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:24.440 better than just the naked eye. We could actually make out this little tight 681 00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:28.719 balls of blue light. Couldn't tell how big they were, obviously, because 682 00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:34.320 again I was estimating we were seeing the commercial traffic of airlines going over and 683 00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:39.920 these things were again I'm estimating probably sixty seventy eighty thousand feet above the ground 684 00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:43.719 where we were seeing these things. At some point, I think we were 685 00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:46.400 probably tracking ten or twelve of these things individually, like we're all, oh, 686 00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:50.400 there's two over here, Oh there's one here. And what really sold 687 00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:52.679 me on it was I was watching one in particular. It was going straight 688 00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:55.079 up from my field of vision. If I'm looking at the ground and I'm 689 00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:59.880 going straight up, I'm watching this thing through the binoculars, and it's moving, 690 00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:04.559 and it just stops on a dime and makes an immediate left hand ninety 691 00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:09.159 degree turn and shoots off at ungodly speeds. There's no aircraft, there's no 692 00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:15.320 person that's flying in aircraft. I don't care how experimental can go from two 693 00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:19.719 thousand miles an hour to nothing on a dime and then make a ninety degree 694 00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:22.840 turn and shoot off at that rate of speed. It doesn't happen. And 695 00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:24.840 as far as I know, satellites don't do that. No, satellites don't 696 00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:28.599 behave like that. I've seen satellites. I don't know what they were, 697 00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:34.800 their unidentified aerial phenomenon. I felt, obviously it's completely subjective. I have 698 00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:37.599 no way to prove this. I felt like we were watching spacecraft, and 699 00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:42.400 I believe that they were extraterrestrial spacecraft. That's just how I felt. And 700 00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:45.199 there wasn't a ton of bigfit activity. There had been some woodenknockx I think 701 00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:49.599 that night we'd heard some whoops and stuff like that, but it wasn't like 702 00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:52.519 a simultaneous thing that was going on. I don't think there was any connection 703 00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:54.920 at all. These things are flying around doing whatever they're doing into eighty thousand 704 00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:59.480 feet. But it was interesting that we were out there looking for Bigfoot and 705 00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:01.519 then we ended up having this big faux experience and it was just the whole 706 00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:06.000 night of shooting stars, five or six shooting stars. We had a meteorite 707 00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:10.000 come over and explode before the activity with the UFOs. I'd never seen anything 708 00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:13.960 like it. I look up all the time, I'm always looking up, 709 00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:16.360 But this is weird, man. It was one of the weirdest experiences I've 710 00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:20.559 ever had. It was cool. It was a really cool experience to see 711 00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:23.199 those things and feel like you were watching something that most people will never get 712 00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:25.559 to see. But yeah, I was there for Bigfoot. I tried to 713 00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:28.760 talk to Todd about it the next day. He didn't care about UFOs. 714 00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:30.880 He didn't want to talk about UFOs. He's all about Bigfoot. Do Native 715 00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:37.199 Americans do they have more experiences with sasquash, with Bigfoot than the general population. 716 00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:40.239 Yeah, that's an interesting question if you get into the history, which 717 00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:43.880 I've done. I did a lot of research, and I talk about the 718 00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:46.159 history of Bigfoot in the book. There's a ton of stories. There's a 719 00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:52.159 ton of Native American First Nations people who have names for these creatures in their 720 00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:58.280 lexicon of things that they've talked about over the history of their tribes and their 721 00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:01.320 people. There was an interesting article that came out. There was this guy 722 00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:06.280 that came out and said he did the research and there's never actually anything in 723 00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:09.679 Native American or First Nation's history about Sasquatch. I thought that was the dumbest 724 00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:13.480 thing I'd ever read, because it's clear that it's out there. When you 725 00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:19.159 have these tall, hairy giants, whether they call them stone giants or whatever 726 00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:22.599 the name at the time was, they're clearly, in my opinion, talking 727 00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:28.079 about something that we consider today to be Bigfoot or Sasquatch. So I think 728 00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:31.000 it's clear that there has always been a history. Whether it's lower, whether 729 00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:37.360 it's myth, whether it's them using descriptions to describe other things. I personally 730 00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:40.199 don't think it is. I think these people were having experiences with something that 731 00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:44.599 was very real to them that they were describing in the best way that they 732 00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:47.760 could given the nomenclature at the time. Is it bigfoot Sasquatch? I tend 733 00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:52.039 to believe that it is. Fred comes to mind. There's a guy interviewed 734 00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:55.639 from Alaska. He's a First Nation's gentleman from Alaska, and Fred has always 735 00:47:55.679 --> 00:48:00.239 talked about the history. He talks a lot on his YouTube channel, the 736 00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:04.480 oral history that's been passed down from his people. So it's clearly there. 737 00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:07.159 They're not making that up. Did they have more experiences with them? I 738 00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:10.079 don't know. Did they avoid them? Where they at war? Some people 739 00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:13.719 say tribes were at war? Were these things at some point in time? 740 00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:16.159 I narrate. I have a show called Backwards Horror Stories. One of the 741 00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:22.039 episodes I did was a narration of the Bigfoot Indian War that supposedly happened, 742 00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:27.199 that's been passed down through generations. I don't know that they had more experiences. 743 00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:30.519 Some people would argue that they have. There's other shows out there that 744 00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:35.559 probably have a thousand interviews that have been done over the years. The BFRO 745 00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:39.360 documents these cases all the time. There's the Bigfoot Mapping Project. He does 746 00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:45.800 tons of gathering information. So people are clearly having experiences sharing them, and 747 00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:49.719 you got to think for every hundred people that report them, how many people 748 00:48:49.719 --> 00:48:52.239 aren't reporting their experiences just because they don't want to be associated with it. 749 00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:55.320 There's a lot going on out there that if people pay attention to what's going 750 00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:59.239 on and look in your area, there's too many resources out there now not 751 00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:02.239 to look. If you're interested, look at the BFRO website, check your 752 00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:07.280 area and see if there's been sightings documented. Look the Bigfoot Mapping Project app 753 00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:09.239 and see if there's any documented sidings in your area. I think you'd be 754 00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:14.119 surprised how many people out there are actually reporting them. Ran, Thank you 755 00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:15.840 so much for coming on. Where can people find you? Where can people 756 00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:22.159 find your stuff? You can find the shows Sasquatch Odyssey, the Backwards Horror 757 00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:25.280 Story podcast, that Bigfoot podcast, But you can find those anywhere. You 758 00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:30.599 listen to audio podcast, Apple Spotify, any of the podcast apps out there, 759 00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:34.719 YouTube, channel, as well Sasquatch Odyssey and Backwards Horror Stories. The 760 00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:37.440 best place is just go to our website, Paranormalwardproductions dot com. You can 761 00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:39.880 find copies of the book there. We sell the book. You can get 762 00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:43.760 the book on Amazon, you can get it Barnes and Noble, or you 763 00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:45.840 can get an autograph copy from me right there on the store button on our 764 00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:49.559 website, and you can find all the shows and more about us and the 765 00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:52.119 other folks in the network that work with us, and anything you want to 766 00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:55.079 know about me is right there on the website. You're a great interviewer as 767 00:49:55.159 --> 00:49:59.239 well at the shows that I've listened, just out of curiosity, what's your 768 00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:02.719 pro us an interviewer? And I always say it's my secret sauce. I 769 00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:07.440 try not to talk to the people I'm going to interview until I see them 770 00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:09.599 for the first time. I like to turn on the microphone, go right 771 00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:13.760 into it cold, because a lot of people want to send you their story. 772 00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:15.519 They want you to read it and be familiar with it. I've seen 773 00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:17.559 that a couple of times. I've tried that a couple of times, and 774 00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:22.599 interviews early on and I go in with preconceived notions about it. I'm already 775 00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:24.400 thinking about the story before they say it. I tend to check out a 776 00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:28.400 little bit because I know what they're going to say, but I like to 777 00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:30.840 see it for the first time and hear it for the first time when I'm 778 00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:34.280 in the moment. My secret sauce is really that I don't get into the 779 00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:37.679 story before I have the people on. I don't ask a bunch of questions 780 00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:39.079 until the end. I want them to go through the entire thing. I 781 00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:43.679 don't like interrupting people. That breaks up the flow. I just take notes 782 00:50:43.719 --> 00:50:45.039 the entire time, and then I go back and ask a few questions that 783 00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:49.440 I have or what I think the audience might be thinking, and try to 784 00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:52.360 get those in. It's really about highlighting the person that's on and their story. 785 00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:55.000 It's not about me. The show has never been, nor will it 786 00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:59.480 ever be about me. It's about the people and their stories that are on 787 00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:02.800 whatever episode you tune into. Fantastic, Brian, thank you so much. 788 00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:07.920 Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. 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