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walking right, heady Heathen. Thanks for joining me for the show. I
hope you're having a great weekend. I want you to do something a little
different today. It's been a while since I've posted one of my interviews on
another podcast, because typically they go into past experiences and things that I've already
shared with you guys on the show. But I got to sit down as
a guest over on Underground Radio a couple of months back, and this interview
is a little bit different. I don't really talk about a ton of the
experiences that I've had, but we get into all kinds of conversations about bigfoot
research and evidence in general. It was a really cool interview, a really
great conversation, and it's frankly some things that I just don't get into on
this podcast. We do a lot of that over on that Bigfoot podcast with
Wayne and I talk about some of these subjects, but I don't get to
do that a lot with you over here. So I thought I would share
it, and I hope you guys enjoy it as much as I enjoyed doing
the interview. That's it. All that's left for you to do is sit
back, relax and enjoy the show. Hi, guys. I'm here with
a man called Brian Kane Sharp and Brian Kaney Sharp. He is known for
Sasquash Odyssey on Tool Radio Network and Bigfoot I'm Beyond and I came across Brian
in a podcast and I was actually listening to one of these podcasts on it
yesterday one of these very first podcasts that he did, where a guy called
Flint and the question was is big Fuss Nefflin? First of all, how
are you? And thanks so much for coming on the show. I'm doing
well. I appreciate the invite. What do you think about that, Brian?
Yeah, remember that episode with Flint That's come up over and over looking
into the subject because people obviously have tons of different opinions on what these things
could be. I'm still trying to figure out if they're real or not.
I'm one of those people that is it's still skeptical. I've had experiences in
my own but I haven't seen one of these things, so it's difficult to
say one way or the other for me. If they're one hundred percent real,
and if they are, obviously everybody has speculation on what they are,
I personally don't buy into the Nephilum theory. I don't think that there's some
sort of fallen angel. I think if they are out there and people are
certainly experiencing something, we know the phenomenon is real. But if they are
out there, I think they're more of a leftover relic hominoid of some sort,
maybe some sort of an offshoot of Gigantopithecus. Some people have talked about
Paranthropus, and there's tons of different suspects for what these things might be,
depending on who you have a conversation with. I'm more along the lines of
possibly a Gigantopithecus leftover or some sort of a relative to them, because I
think it's a lot less of a stretch than some of the other characters out
there that people have said. This could possibly be a sasquatch. But ultimately,
the great thing about sasquatch is nobody really knows anything. It's all subjective.
We all have our opinions. But for me, short answer to your
question, I don't think neffolim is where it's at. People make a good
argument for it in a lot of cases, but it's a stretch for me.
It's, in my opinion, trying to explain a mystery with another mystery
wrapped in an enigma, and you're throwing in some supernatural stuff and it just
doesn't compute to me. I'm more of an Ockham's razor kind of guy.
The simplest explanation probably is the explanation. So to me, it would make
more sense that there's some sort of a relic tominoid that's left over that's went
undetected some way, shape form or fashion versus fallen angels and something that's more
out there as far as paranormal kind of stuff, more metaphysical. I'd Ron
Morhod on the show, and he goes with that metaphysical aspect of it.
He believes in, and I can see why you too, are said,
how would you respond to that? It's funny you say that. I was
actually supposed to have Ron on a round table yesterday. We ended up having
to cancel it for a myriad of reasons. But I've talked to Ron about
that several times. Get where he's coming from. He's a very open minded
guy. Look, Ron's been doing this for a lot of decades, right,
He's probably been doing this fifty years at this point, maybe longer.
We are really no closer to proving that these things are real. For people
like me and other people that are in the similar situation that I'm in,
who are into the subject, who have had experiences they can't explain, but
we're really no closer to finding out what these things are definitively if they in
fact exist as a flesh and blood animal. I just finished Ron's new book,
Bigfoot Unveiled. I read it in one day. He talks a lot
about that, he goes into his quantum physics theories. I see that on
a micro level. I'm not sure on a macro level. I'm buying what
he's putting down as far as the theories behind how these things could happen that
way. But look, I've said it plenty of times. We have been
doing the same things as far as bigfoot research for decades and decades, and
we have a produced a body. They are not recognized by science. So
is it time to start turning over some new stone and looking in different places.
I'm certainly open to that. I talk a little bit about that in
my own books. I Squatch on Leash, The Truth behind the Legend came
out in March. That's one of the things towards the end of the book
I talk about is do we have these lanes that we can stay in,
the flesh and blood lane or the wo or the high strangeness lane. I
think there's something to be gleaned from both of those. My personal opinion is
we need to separate those more because what we really need is more science.
There are a few scientists that are involved in bigfoot. Doctor Jeff Meldrim.
He comes to mind very physical, flesh and blood, anthropological look at these
things. He studies the morphology at the footprints and the cast and he believes
that these creatures are real based on nothing more than footprints and cast that he
is taking a look at. You got people now, like my home state
here in North Carolina, We've got Darby or cut Over at the University of
North Carolina NC State, who is actually doing a DNA study right now.
He's testing what he believes to be purported sasquatch DNA samples that people are sending
in. That's funded by the state. NC State is doing the funding for
this. That's a huge step for bigfoot because somebody's really taking a scientific look
at that. But there's only a handful of people in science that are looking
at it. When you start talking about nefhelum alien theories and quantum physics and
them coming in and out of portals and being multi dimensional, you lose the
scientist there. And I think on some level, I certainly am open minded
to that because people have those experiences and I think there's something to that.
But I'm more of a flesh and blood kind of guy, where you have
to concentrate on the flesh and blood aspect that science can then get behind,
if that makes sense, and look more deeply into the subject, because I
think until that happens, frankly, it's going to be the same thing that
we've been doing over and over again and we all expect a different result.
That has it come yet. Science has got to get involved on some level,
whether it be DNA testing or looking at these things and doing research into
them. This is something I'd do to another podcast called That Bigfoot Podcast,
Wayne, and I'm my co host on That Bigfoot Podcast. Just recorded an
episode of that before I hopped on with you. We talked the little bit
about that because there's no real collaboration even amongst the researchers. I'm a flesh
and blood guy. Ron is not right. Ron and I can sit down
and have a cup of coffee and have a conversation, or I can have
him on for a roundtable on the show, which I've done a couple of
times, and we can agree to disagree. I believe what Ron says he
believes what I believe. I believe, but somewhere in the middle lies the
truth. And we can have those conversations. But when you have those different
facets of the research, flesh and blood creatures versus the paranormal, the woo,
the high strangeness, as long as that's going on, we can't collectively
agree in bigfoot as Bigfoot researchers. If they're flesh and blood, are they
nephelom? Are they aliens? We can't even agree on that. So we
can't come together and collaborate and really look into the subject deeply on any level
because we're still arguing about what they are. There's so much of that going
on, and I think we just have to ultimately, people have to pick
a lane and be open minded to both sides, but really hone in on
saying I believe these are flesh and blood creatures. If you believe they exist,
they're probably some sort of a leftover relict hominoid of some sort. Let's
go down that path and see where it leads us. And then some of
the weird stuff may come into play, and we open minded to that,
but we focus on physical evidence, anecdotal accounts, and we hone in into
a specific area where people have had a lot of experiences. Maybe we try
to do that and collaborate. That's one of the things when and I were
just talking about it's very difficult to get people to do. There are hot
spots over here, like Area X out of Oklahoma, very famous spot with
a North American wood Ape conservancy. They go in there and they spend months
at a time, and I've talked to tons of people that have been there.
I've probably had six or eight witnesses that have been in their long term
and had tons of experiences and seeing these things. Why aren't we all going
into that area. Why aren't all the researchers in America converging on this one
area and focusing on trying to get some evidence. Maybe it's a body,
maybe it's collecting a specimen, Maybe it's getting visy. Maybe it's getting photographs
of individuals and multiple different time frames and different places in that area by different
people. That's where you start getting real evidence. But we're not doing that.
That's one of the things why and I just talked about. I think
it's a lot of ego comes into play. People are very secretive about their
areas. They're very secretive about their research. They want to be the ones
to discover it. I want to be the guy who finds bigfoot. I
don't care who it is. I just want somebody to find it. And
until we all come together as a collaborative, I think we're just going to
keep beating our heads into the proverbial wall. We're going to keep documenting a
lot of anecdotal experiences people have, and occasionally they'll be footprints cast and maybe
some hair and some possible DNA, But ultimately it's going to take a collective
effort amongst all the researchers, in my opinion, to really push the ball
down the field. That was a really long answer to a short question.
No, that was a great answer, a fantastic answer. Let me ask
you this, Brian. What was the name of that place the scientists are
studying it. What was that? It's the North of Mayor Wood Ape Conservancy.
It's a group of individuals that come together as a collective from all walks
of life. They're different types of bigfoot researchers. Some of them have jobs
sometimes that people do it full time. It's just a collective of people that
joined in as the group, and that's what they call their groups. It's
not really anything to do with the government. But the area has been come
to be known famously as Area X because when they started going into this particular
area, it's on the border of Oklahoma and Texas. They started Area A,
and Area B in Area C, and so on and so forth,
because that's how they named these research areas to keep up with them. In
Area X became the most well known, at least for most Bigfoot researchers because
of the level of interactions that people were claiming to have with sasquatch in that
area. So Area X has really stuck out. There's a valley next door
to Area X where people like Brian Brown, who used to be associated with
the North American Wood Ape Conservancy and they went off and done his own thing.
There's a valley right next door two Area X, and it has just
as much activity that's claimed by Brian and some of the other researchers that go
in there that I've interviewed on my show. If these people aren't completely delusional,
if they're not making up their stories and they're having these experiences, there
are clearly a clan of at least several individuals that people are interacting with.
They're hearing vocalizations, they're recording vocalizations. These things are throwing rocks at them.
They're seeing them physically with their own eyes. They've seen juveniles, They've
seen what look to be toddlers or babies, small versions of these creatures.
They're in the trees, swinging through the trees like they're in a jungle somewhere
in West Africa. So there's clearly something going on there. Area X is
that place. It's just become synonymous with big Foot. Rob Low, he
and his sons went out there when they were doing The Low Files several years
ago. They filmed an episode in Area X with the guys from the North
American Wood Ape Conservancy. Because Rob Low, very famous actor here in America
and really around the world, have always been fascinated with Bigfoot. They had
experiences while he was there. I've actually had Brian Brown on the show,
who was with the North American Wood Ape Conservancy and with the Lows. He
was clear liaison on that trip and he talked about some of the things that
they experienced. They left there convinced that Bigfoot was in that area. It's
a very active area. But again to my earlier point, you have to
be invited there. They don't just let anybody come in. And I get
that on some level because I have forty acres of property here that I research
on. It's where our house is, so I'm very protective of that because
it's where I live. But I do occasionally invite researchers on because we've had
activity here. We've heard vocalizations, cast footprints here, we've been here.
We've on the property since the end of twenty seventeen, and over the course
of however many years that is six years whatever, we've heard vocalizations a myriad
of times. Earlier on we started hearing distant vocalizations, and we've heard what
sounds like the Ohio how For anybody who's into Bigfoot Matt Moneymaker's famous Ohio Howe
that you hear the oh the really loud lafe songs kind of siren call.
We heard that fifty yards from our house a couple of years ago. The
footprints, the last set of footprints I cast last summer, which are about
fourteen and a half inches long and at their widest they're about seven and a
half to eight inches wide. At the heel. You can see pictures of
these in the book Sasquatch Unleased The Truths Behind the Legend. I've included that
there. It's the only place I've released these photographs because the foot cast turned
out too good. They're really the best that I've cast, and I've cast
probably five or six different sets over the last couple of years in and around
our property here. There were fifty sixty yards from our house, just up
near a chicken coop in the woods, so very close by. I've had
weird things happen with gifting stumps, things have been left on weird places.
There's a bunch of weird tree breaks. We found, weird tree structures,
so it's a lot of anecdotal stuff. I've never seen the big Foot here.
I've heard those things, I've cast the footprints, I've seen what there's
considered to be evidence with the tree breaks and the tree structures, but I
can't definitively say it's a big foot. I never have and never will.
I said all that to say it is where I live, so I'm very
protective of my home. A lot of people listen to my show, and
I've made some enemies out there, so I don't invite just everybody to,
hey, here's my address, come in research on my property. But when
you do have areas like Area X, and you do have places that people
could go and collaborate, I think just in my opinion, again, my
opinion is what it is. Everybody has one, but I believe that we
should be doing more collaboratively to look for these creatures in areas like that,
because what happens is everybody goes out in the woods. Just because there's woods
doesn't mean there's necessarily a sasquatch there, right, just like a black bear
or a certain kind of a bird, or mountain lions or whatever the case
may be. Yes, they exist, Yes they're in wooded areas, but
they may not be where you are. But if you've narrowed down through years
of research that there is a lot of sightings, there's a lot of anecdotal
accounts, a lot of researchers have had experiences and maybe even gathered evidence.
Maybe there's some photographs, maybe there's some recordings of sounds, vocalizations, those
kind of things. Maybe it's foot castings from footprints trackways. If you know
that's happening, and we all concentrate instead of everybody being spread out doing their
own thing. I think you're going to get a better result. Right,
If you've got more eyes and boots on the ground looking in a certain area
where these things probably are, you had a better chance of finding one.
There are hundreds of millions of acres of open land here in North America where
people go out and look for bigfoot. I may never find it because I
never go to that one spot where it's at right, I don't know.
I just want people to be more collaborative. I would love for that to
happen. It's just been on my mind so much recently that and think if
we come together and start talking. That's what happened in the UFO field.
I think a lot of individuals were doing a lot of stuff related to UAPs
and UFOs over the years. There's researchers that have done their own documentaries,
and then you watch a UFO documentary, there's six or eight of these brilliant
minds that have been looking into them. They finally came together and collaborated,
and what happened. We started getting a little bit of disclosure. And I'm
not saying it's necessarily related all those things could be completely oblivious to the other
and may not have anything to do with the other. But I feel that
personally that once those people started coming together collaboratively, things started happening. The
more you collaborate and the more you work together and you got more minds on
a problem, I think, the better off you're going to be ultimately.
How many people have you interviews? How many stories of your collector? At
this point there are I think four hundred and sixty episodes of Sasquatch Odyssey.
Well, there's typically one interview per episode, but you got to figure there's
probably another one hundred plus of people that have shared their story with me that
never make it on the air to Sasquatch Odyssey. So I would say at
least five hundred people at this point as a conservative estimate of people that have
claimed have had some sort of experience with Bigfoot. What is the one really
puzzles here, Not the one the most interests you, but the one that
most puzzles here, the one that leads you most unsettled. There's a couple
of those that come to mind over the years. This one I talked about
so many times recently about a hunter who felt like he was being drawn in
by a s asquatch doing wood knocks. Again, it's completely subjective. He
has no way of proving his feeling. But I think that really stuck out
to me because afterwards he told me he felt like this thing was drawing him
in to do something nefarious. He felt like it was drawing him into that
area for a reason. He ended up getting out unscathed. He said he
came face to face with this thing. He backed up, he got away,
made it out of the area. But that stuck out to me because
he had this overwhelming feeling that this thing meant to do him harm. Maybe
this thing. To add that, he had a pretty powerful weapon. He
didn't shoot the thing or anything, but he did have a weapon, and
he thinks they'd know what they are and what it could do. So he
feels like he made it out unscathed. But there's been so many over the
years. There's one in particular early on the show that stuck out because there
was a couple of times where we're having issues with dogs being injured and even
keeled by a sasquatch. That's a reoccurring theme that people have said these things
don't like dogs, they have bad interactions with them. I've interviewed people who've
claimed to see these things coming off of it landed alien craft, and they've
claimed to see bigfoot walking down and coming off of these crafts. So that
sort of feeds into this possible alien bigfoot connection that I, frankly I don't
really buy into so much. Again, I'm not saying that's not possible.
It's just not where I focus because those are the exception to the rule when
it comes to most mundane. Seeing an eight to nine foot tall, hairy
bipedal ape in North America that's not supposed to exist can be pretty mundane,
right, it's a hunter out they see this thing walking past, it's a
glimpsing thing, they see it running across a field or whatever. But you
do have those occasions where people have those outlandish, sort of high strangeness things
where orbs are involved, alien craft, strange lights and other things. So
it really runs the gamut for me. But some of those really stuck out
to me. When people have strange experience, some of the habituation stuff really
sticks out to me. It's one of those things that interests me. But
it's also been very frustrating for me because you talk to people who say they
deal with these things in an habituation situation, meaning it's an ongoing interaction,
sometimes for decades. Right. There's a very famous one from Tennessee, Fifty
Years with Bigfoot, the Mary Green Book with Janis Carter. I've never talked
to Janis. I've had people who have interviewed her on the show, and
I've played some of her interview and talked about that at length. That story
stuck out because fifty years her family was supposed to be living alongside a group
of sasquatch, not just one, not just two, but a family,
a clan of these things over a period of five decades. If you've ever
seen the evidence that's been produced from that, some of the photographs of footprints
and those things, it is definitely not what you would ect, at least
for me as an investigator, to say, if you spend fifty years with
these things, you should have some pretty good video, you should have some
pretty good photographs. You should have some physical evidence that they've left behind,
whether it be hair or something else that could possibly be tested. I've interviewed
several people in habituation situations. I'd probably say at this point maybe three or
four. And I've actually talked to a gentleman just a couple of days ago.
They we're going to get scheduled for the show that it's claimed to be
in a habituation situation for the last three years, and almost without fail when
I say to these people off the air during conversations initially, hey, if
you've been dealing with these things for five years, you move from one state
to another and they followed you to your new home, you've got to have
some pretty good evidence. You've got photographs, right, You got video of
these things because they're in your yard. Oh yeah, I've got tons of
photographs. They'll send me twenty five photographs and it sticks trees and leaves.
We call them blob squatches. There's literally nothing there. So it's very frustrating
to me because I think those stories are very interesting for a myriad of reasons,
just claim of having this hairy, big bipedal eight that's not supposed to
exist in and around your property and your home and sometimes in some cases interacting
with you and your family on a regular basis. Yet there's never any proof
for it. At least it's not definitive proof. For me, those are
some frustrating things that I deal with as an investigator because it's difficult to listen
to those stories and expect that somebody has this ongoing interaction with these creatures yet
there's really no physical evidence to prove it. But these people can be very
convincing, and most of them are. I've said this so many times on
the show. I've never had anybody on the show that I don't believe,
believe that they have the experience that they share. Sometimes it happens only in
their mind. Sometimes it happens in real life. Maybe it's not exactly like
they say. You've never had anybody on the show who you know, they
knew that they were bluffing, like somebody that came on the show and they
knew that they were just trying to pull a fast one on you. I
don't think I've ever interviewed anybody that. I think. There might have been
one person that I scrapped the interview a couple of years ago, but I
think that was more of a mental health issue. Once I got twenty minutes
into having a conversation with this gentleman, it was fairly clear to me without
being a psychologist or a psychiatrist that he might have had some mental health issues
on board. So I scrapped that because I just I couldn't put it out
there because I felt like he was more delusional. However, as far as
other people on the show, I don't think I've ever had anybody that I've
aired their episode that I knew for a fact was lying to me or making
up their story. Has that happened, I'm sure it has. You can't
have an encounter's show like mine. There's other encounter shows out there that deal
with dog Man and even other Bigfoot encounters podcasts that have a thousand episodes out
there, so that is going to happen. But I've never knowingly aired somebody's
episode that I knew was just BS and me. Hands down, sure,
I would imagine You've got a good eye or ear for that. Because you
are from a law of background. You were a police officer for sixteen years,
was it our Did you ever experience anything as a police officer? Did
you ever, for example, go to a scene that might have been directly
or indirectly related to a sasquash? No, Because I policed in the city
of Atlanta, it's a very urban area. It is urban sprawl. It's
a big city. There's some areas and neighborhoods on the outskirts of town that
I policed, but never anything that would be conducive to having a creature like
that. If it's a flesh and blood creature. Now, if they're coming
in and out of portals or other dimensions, I guess they could be anywhere.
But no, I never really experienced anything that it would be considered related
to Bigfoot. Nothing really paranormal at all, ghosts or anything like that.
You do have those calls that you look back on as an investigator who was
into the paranormal, into ghosts, into UFOs, and obviously Bigfoot. I
look back on some of those calls that I answered in the past where strange
things were happening with people's alarms and they thought they were prowlers, or even
hearing things in their house where they thought people breaking in or something like that.
I look back now and think, yeah, could it be that they
were having some sort of a poultry guised activity or something weird. Stay tuned
for more Sasquat Chat to see We'll be right back after these messages in the
whole history of bigfoot phenomena. Has there ever been a case that has been
in the city. Has it always been in the woods? Has there ever
been a case where there's been a big foot slizing actually in a city.
Yeah. I think it's more so than you would imagine. Now when you
say city, I wouldn't say bigfoot walking down a main street in town,
No, but on the outskirts certainly. That's one of the things that has
really fascinated me about this subject the more I got into it. Because when
I first got into the subject and really started digging into it, you think
you have to be deep in the woods to have an experience. Once you
start really looking into the subject and really talking to people who've had experiences or
claimed to have had experiences of bigfoot, it is more on the edges.
It's on the peripher of where civilization meets wooded areas greenways. For example,
here in the States, there's a greenway just probably six miles from me on
the road that I live on. When you drive out here to my property,
if you could see it now, it is nothing but thick wooded area.
It's forty acres and there's nothing but hundreds of acres of just property around
us. Our nearest neighbor full time neighbor, is about three quarters of a
mile away, so we're very remote. Ten minutes from town is not that
remote, right. I've been on expeditions to places like Radium, BC,
Canada. I was up there last October on the expedition for about seven days.
We were eighteen miles deep in the woods in that particular area, no
cell service for thirty miles. We lost cell service thirty miles before we turned
off onto the road that took us another eighteen miles deep into the woods.
The only connection we had was a generator that brought up starlink, and we
turned that on one time middle of the week just to let everybody know we
were still alive. And then that was it. And we had experiences there.
I didn't see one, heard some things, got some rocks thrown at
us a couple of times. Heard wood knocks, heard whoops, heard what
sounds like samurai chatter from Ron Moorehead's Seierra sounds. As a matter of fact,
it sounded very similar to some of the stuff that Ron has produced on
his CDs. But we're eighteen miles deep in the woods, but I just
interviewed a guy a couple of weeks back from Scott Nelson. I was listening
to that interview where Scott Nelson was talking about the language of the Is that
the guy you were going to say? No. I did interview Scott late
last year because we hung out together at a conference here in North Carolina,
but that wasn't where I was going. There's a guy that I interviewed here
in North Carolina that back in the seventies he had a couple of sightings and
close encounters with Bigfoot that he claims happened in a cul de sac in an
area surrounded by homes that back up to the woods. So again he's on
that edge of there's homes in this area that are just like any other neighborhood
that you would see across America, but it backs up into wooded areas,
and these things are coming in because I think what happens is it's very much
like other wild animals. You see a lot of deer in neighborhoods, right,
People smack deer on the road all the time going in and out of
their homes, and I think it's the same thing for Bigfoot. These things
are out there. I think they're coming in just like other animals, because
when we go closer to the woods, and I say we as in people,
we go farther and encroach in those areas and we build those edges.
I think animals come in because there's agriculture there. We plant flowers, we
plant gardens, we plant corn. Deer come in and eat those. Rabbit
come in and eat those. Then predators follow the rabbits and the deer,
so you have predators. And if sasquatch is what I think it is,
it's an apex predator. It eats deer, it may eat rabbits. So
you're creating these edges, and I think it brings them in closer. So
you don't have to be ten miles deep into the woods to have an experience
with these things. Most of the experiences are anecdotal accounts that I have documented
on my show and talk to people just in general. They're in a national
park, maybe a half a mile away from their car from a parking area
where there's forty five other cars parked, and there's people all around, and
they're having these experiences. It's more of an edge. I don't think there's
any Bigfoot stuff going on in the middle of the metropolis, like the city
of Atlanta, but thirty miles away from Atlanta and some of these rural areas
outside on what would be considered the suburbs. Absolutely there, people haven't experience
it. I think it happens a lot more on the edge, closer to
what you would consider city town civilization than people would expect. Out of all
the video evidence, the famous video. Do you think the Patterson video is
real? What big video evidence do you think is fake? And what do
you think is real? Which ones do you think are real? Big?
My opinion has changed so many times on the PG film. I've done entire
episodes breaking down the pgfilm. What I did the last time I did a
breakdown was really look at Bob Gimlin is still live. Obviously, Roger Patterson
passed away in the seventies. All we really have is Bob and Bob's story
and then the footage. That's really all we have. And Bob's story has
never changed from nineteen sixty seven until now. His story has pretty much stayed
the same. I try to approach it like a criminal investigation. So I
looked at what he said because that's really the most important thing. Yeah,
the video is very important, but it is what it is. It's grainy,
there's been tons of work done. It has been improved over the years
and you can see a lot more, but it is what it is.
Right, We're never going to learn definitively from the film, or it would
have already been done. So you really have to concentrate on what the person
says and did. This last year, I got in the archives of the
Sasquatch Archives. Actually, Todd Prescott runs that YouTube channel. Todd has a
ton of historical Sasquatch stuff, whether it be interviews, videos, those kind
of things. I reached out to Todd because he has a video interview of
Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin. I think it's five days after they filmed the
Patty film. It's their first first interview ever on a radio station in Canada.
So I pulled that interview. Todd gave me permission to use it on
the show. So I pulled about three minutes of that interview out and I
concentrated on the story that Bob said. I listened to the entire thing.
It's about twenty five minutes of the interview that he has. It's not the
full interview, but that's all that survived. So I listened to that twenty
five minutes of what Bob and Roger said that day, five days after this,
and then I went back to one of the most recent Bob doesn't do
a ton of interviews. He's ninety one years old at this point. He
doesn't do a ton of public speaking anymore or podcast. So I went back
to twenty nineteen and looked at a video interview. I watched his body language,
I listened to what he said. With a few exceptions, very little
changed. So I had to say, either this guy has practiced this and
told it so many times over the last fifty plus years that he has just
gotten it down pad and it hasn't changed, or he's just recalling and telling
the truth. Given the totality of the circumstances, I'm not convinced one hundred
percent that it's real, but I'm about eighty percent leaning towards the Patterson Gimlin
film being a real sasquatch in the film. The other one that sticks out
to me is the Freeman footage from nineteen ninety two Paul Freeman out of the
Blues Mountains. It's that famous. He's walking along and he's talking and this
thing steps across it and he goes, oh, there he goes, and
you see this big figure. Doug Hichak's a good friend of mine, the
creator and executive producer of Monster Quest for many years. Most people are into
Bigfoot or UFOs are probably see The Monster Quest. But Doug did a breakdown.
He and his sons really worked hard over the last It took him twenty
years really, but just in the last couple of years. Michael Freeman,
Paul Freeman's son, wrote a book a couple of years ago called The Freeman
Bigfoot Files about his dad's evidence about the film, and they spent time to
enhance. They slowed down. Doug actually bought some I don't know what he
bought from the military to enhance this, but he spent a lot of money
to enhance this film. And if you haven't seen the enhanced version of it,
you can get it if you buy Michael's book The Freeman Bigfoot Fight.
I've seen it. Michael send it to me when I interviewed him a couple
of years ago, and I was blown away because you can see this thing
walk across this trail, and in the enhanced version that slowed down and looped
and zoomed in, you see this big, massive creature walk over to a
tree and it looks like it picks up a toddler or a baby off of
the tree, and just like any other mom or dad would do, puts
it on its waist and you see this little thing's feet. It's amazing footage.
It really blew me away. We actually did a conference, a speaking
gig last summer out in Idaho. It was me, Michael Freeman, doctor
Jeff Melvern was there, Cliff Barricktman from Finding Bigfoot. We were on the
panel and we showed the film and we talked about it. It's like the
Patterson Gimblin film. You're not going to get a definitive answer from the film,
But for me, it's the totality of the circumstances. Michael was about
twelve or thirteen, I think when his dad filmed that, maybe a little
younger, and his dad came home so excited and he showed him this film.
He said, Brian, we watched this tape so many times. I
thought my dad was going to break it because he was so excited, and
Michael had a friend over. He said, he made us watch this big
Foot like twenty five times, and he's putting this tape in the VCR and
he's thinking he's going to break this tape. People have accused him of hoaxing
the foot prints, the cast from that day, and I tell you I
was on the fence about it until I had that conversation with Michael, and
it dawned on me. People will hoax just about anybody, right. People
will lie to people, people will hoax people. But Michael was very close
to his dad, He was very close to both of his sons. He
loved his family. He's not going to hoax his twelve or thirteen year old
son. And for him to come home as excited as he was to share
that with his son that way, it convinced me beyond a reasonable doubt at
that point that it was a legitimate video of a sasquatch. So those two
things really stuck out. This the Russian video from years ago, with this
thing stretches its arms and legs out. It's a really quick thing that goes
through. That's pretty compelling to me. I wish it could be cleaned up
and hands a little bit. But it's very difficult, honestly, with AI.
At this point, just about everything that comes out in the last year
or so has just really soured it for me because it's so difficult to tell
the difference in some of these photographs and some of these videos that people are
putting out. And then AI is getting smarter. You used to be able
to look at the hands and the feet and they would always be really weird
and some of the AI stuff. But the AI's gotten smart. The people
who are doing the AI have started working on fixing that, so it makes
it even more difficult because they fix the hand problem. The hands look good
now, the fingers look good, the toes look good, the eyes look
good. I've seen a few compelling photographs that people have shown me privately.
That's not out in the zeitgeist for everybody to go to speaking events and do
conferences and things, and people come up and want to share their story.
They don't want to be called kooky or crazy or be accused of hoaxing,
And unfortunately that happens a lot. There's a lot of people out there who
put things out that I don't believe are real, that sour it for the
rest of us if it doesn't look as good as tie standing stuff. And
I think Todd's videos are fake. I've told him that there's no qualms about
that. Todd and I have a history of going back and forth about that.
But if it doesn't look like that, then people think it's fake.
So why put it out and go through the ridicule. Show it to somebody
like me who's probably going to say, yeah, man, that's a really
cool picture. I believe that what you've captured might be a bigfoot, and
then move on and then they're satisfied. They don't have to put it out
there for everybody else to see. Are there people who just come and just
tell you their story once and they just leave it at that. These are
like people who just don't want the theme. They just want to get their
story out there and be done with us. So many people again come up
to me in person at festivals, at conferences, or sometimes in the grocery
store. I've literally come out of the grocery store here and people listen to
the show and they know they see me, They see that I might have
a T shirt on or something, and they just want to come up and
tell me their story. It happened so many times. We get emails a
lot of times. I just want to tell you my story. I respect
what you do. I believe in in your calls. I believe you doing
it for the right reason. I want to tell you my story and I
ask him, you want to come on the show share it. I believe
this is important for everybody to hear, and they just don't want to do
it. They don't want to be on the radio, they don't want to
be on the air, they don't want to be on a podcast. One
of the main reasons I started sasquatch Otasy was to get the stories out there
because there's so much to be learned, I think from these anecdotal accounts,
because we're documenting some of the same exact behavior in Australia, in the UK,
some cases, even Ireland. Believe it or not, people have claimed
to have seen and had experiences with things over there. That's happening in the
Pacific Northwest, that's happening in Florida, that's happening in Georgia, that's happening
in Idaho, that's happening in Missouri. You document all of these encounters and
then you can go back. Because podcasts are really repositories of information. It's
out there until I take it down or I could die today. All of
those episodes that I've put out over the last few years are still going to
be there one hundred years from now in theory for people to go back and
listen to and go, Man, he talked to that guy in two thousand
and one, and then he interviewed that guy in twenty twenty four that had
the same experience in Florida. That's weird, man, How does that happen?
These people don't know each other, so you get that information. And
that's what I wanted to do as a podcaster, is just be a gatherer
of information and put it together in a repository for people to come back and
listen to anytime they wanted and get the information from. Because somebody may say
something two years ago that won't make sense until I interview this person four years
from then, and then you put those two pieces together and go, Wow,
maybe that's what it was doing, or maybe that's what happened. I
don't know. That's why I keep doing the show. Man. I love
the stories. I love talking to people. I love hearing their experiences.
Ultimately, I want to know if these things are real. I'd love to
have an experience where I see one, so I know, beyond a shadow
of a doubt. I may never get there, but at least I can
talk to people who have, and I can put that information together and then
use it for myself to form a better hypothesis. You my own research learn
from. That's what it's really all about for me is learning and seeking the
answers. I found Scott Nelson's podcast, which you're very good like Scott Nelson.
He's a language expert. He's convinced that these creatures have their own language.
Scott's an interesting character. He has definitely got his opinions. He's a
crypto linguist. He did that in the military. He decoded tons of things
for the military. I take what he says with a grain of salt.
I can hear what sounds like or language, because if you're really talking about
a language, we're not necessarily talking about a language. The way you and
I are speaking now, or somebody would be speaking in French or Italian or
whatever language is simply communication, right. They're sign language. You don't have
to say a word. We can communicate with each other. We just signs.
So in that aspect, if you just get down to the basics of
what language is, then yeah, there's probably some sort of language. If
these are in fact Sasquatch. They are clearly trying to communicate with each other
and or with Ron and Alberry and the other guys that were there, because
they're making vocalizations. Those mean something. Right when you hear birds chirping or
singing or whatever. They're not talking to you, they're talking to each other,
but you can still hear the language. There's a language there because those
things mean different things. Certainly, I think it's possible that's what they captured.
One of the main questions that I wanted done. And I've seen him
a couple of times since this came up on another podcast I think it was
late last year or early this year. There's probably another twelve plus hours of
the Sierra sounds that Ron and Alberry and those guys recorded that we've never heard.
And that's one of the conversations I wanted to have with Ron yesterday on
the roundtable. That's that I'm just going to bring up to him. Put
them on the spot and say, we've got these I think he's got three
CDs and they may be forty five to fifty minutes total, but if you
go to YouTube and type in Sierra Sounds, you're going to get about four
minutes and fifty four seconds. It's all the most famous things from all the
stuff that they recorded. But yeah, he admitted in another interview last year
over on Pine Island Research, I think with Jeff. He was on with
Todd niece, and Todd said, yeah, but we were sitting around and
Ron told me we got like another twelve hours of this stuff that we've never
put out or nobody's ever even broken down, And I'm like, why are
we not hearing this? So I'm definitely going to ask Ron, we're going
to reschedule the roundtable. Do you think these creatures that they want to be
seen? Do they want to be heard? That's something that comes up often
with people. There's people who believe that these things have some sort of ability
to connect with people, the mind speak, the telepathic communication, and then
they're just people who believe, for whatever reason, maybe it's a little bit
more of the high strange iness aspect of it, that for some reason they
show themselves to other people and don't show themselves to some people. You have
to be ready to see them, or they have to want to be seen
by you. That's a difficult road for me to hold because in order for
me to go down that path, I would have to believe that there's something
more to them than flesh and blood. One of the most common situations where
people see these things, they're crossing the road roadside crossings, right, somebody's
going down the road sixteen miles an hour and they see the flash go across
the road. Is that them showing themselves to you because you just happen to
be driving by and your prius. I think if that's what happens, and
it is a sasquatch, they're just getting from one place to another. It's
no different than my neighbor seeing me drive from here to Walmart to pick up
some groceries. I think these things are just moving and doing what they do,
and people happen to see them. And then some people want to project
more onto the situation and say, oh, he showed himself to me because
he wanted me to see him. I don't necessarily buy that. I think
you're just in the right place at the right time or the wrong place at
the wrong time, according to some people when they have their experiences, and
I don't think there's really anything more to it than that, honestly. Now.
I heard you speaking once in the podcast and you said how you were
you went into the wilderness. I think it might have been with Todd and
that you saw UFO and you heard tree knocks. Can you talk about that?
What happened there? Yeah? That it was the second night. I
believe we were in Radium and Todd WI. Theyre Todd and Ashley were coming
in the next day. It was just me, Richard and his son Kyle.
We're sitting around the fire and we had an entire night of UFO experiences.
Little blue balls of light that we saw that I estimated probably eighty thousand
feet in the air, traveling upwards of twenty twenty five hundred miles an hour.
At some point we watched them through binoculars, which was a little bit
better than just the naked eye. We could actually make out this little tight
balls of blue light. Couldn't tell how big they were, obviously, because
again I was estimating we were seeing the commercial traffic of airlines going over and
these things were again I'm estimating probably sixty seventy eighty thousand feet above the ground
where we were seeing these things. At some point, I think we were
probably tracking ten or twelve of these things individually, like we're all, oh,
there's two over here, Oh there's one here. And what really sold
me on it was I was watching one in particular. It was going straight
up from my field of vision. If I'm looking at the ground and I'm
going straight up, I'm watching this thing through the binoculars, and it's moving,
and it just stops on a dime and makes an immediate left hand ninety
degree turn and shoots off at ungodly speeds. There's no aircraft, there's no
person that's flying in aircraft. I don't care how experimental can go from two
thousand miles an hour to nothing on a dime and then make a ninety degree
turn and shoot off at that rate of speed. It doesn't happen. And
as far as I know, satellites don't do that. No, satellites don't
behave like that. I've seen satellites. I don't know what they were,
their unidentified aerial phenomenon. I felt, obviously it's completely subjective. I have
no way to prove this. I felt like we were watching spacecraft, and
I believe that they were extraterrestrial spacecraft. That's just how I felt. And
there wasn't a ton of bigfit activity. There had been some woodenknockx I think
that night we'd heard some whoops and stuff like that, but it wasn't like
a simultaneous thing that was going on. I don't think there was any connection
at all. These things are flying around doing whatever they're doing into eighty thousand
feet. But it was interesting that we were out there looking for Bigfoot and
then we ended up having this big faux experience and it was just the whole
night of shooting stars, five or six shooting stars. We had a meteorite
come over and explode before the activity with the UFOs. I'd never seen anything
like it. I look up all the time, I'm always looking up,
But this is weird, man. It was one of the weirdest experiences I've
ever had. It was cool. It was a really cool experience to see
those things and feel like you were watching something that most people will never get
to see. But yeah, I was there for Bigfoot. I tried to
talk to Todd about it the next day. He didn't care about UFOs.
He didn't want to talk about UFOs. He's all about Bigfoot. Do Native
Americans do they have more experiences with sasquash, with Bigfoot than the general population.
Yeah, that's an interesting question if you get into the history, which
I've done. I did a lot of research, and I talk about the
history of Bigfoot in the book. There's a ton of stories. There's a
ton of Native American First Nations people who have names for these creatures in their
lexicon of things that they've talked about over the history of their tribes and their
people. There was an interesting article that came out. There was this guy
that came out and said he did the research and there's never actually anything in
Native American or First Nation's history about Sasquatch. I thought that was the dumbest
thing I'd ever read, because it's clear that it's out there. When you
have these tall, hairy giants, whether they call them stone giants or whatever
the name at the time was, they're clearly, in my opinion, talking
about something that we consider today to be Bigfoot or Sasquatch. So I think
it's clear that there has always been a history. Whether it's lower, whether
it's myth, whether it's them using descriptions to describe other things. I personally
don't think it is. I think these people were having experiences with something that
was very real to them that they were describing in the best way that they
could given the nomenclature at the time. Is it bigfoot Sasquatch? I tend
to believe that it is. Fred comes to mind. There's a guy interviewed
from Alaska. He's a First Nation's gentleman from Alaska, and Fred has always
talked about the history. He talks a lot on his YouTube channel, the
oral history that's been passed down from his people. So it's clearly there.
They're not making that up. Did they have more experiences with them? I
don't know. Did they avoid them? Where they at war? Some people
say tribes were at war? Were these things at some point in time?
I narrate. I have a show called Backwards Horror Stories. One of the
episodes I did was a narration of the Bigfoot Indian War that supposedly happened,
that's been passed down through generations. I don't know that they had more experiences.
Some people would argue that they have. There's other shows out there that
probably have a thousand interviews that have been done over the years. The BFRO
documents these cases all the time. There's the Bigfoot Mapping Project. He does
tons of gathering information. So people are clearly having experiences sharing them, and
you got to think for every hundred people that report them, how many people
aren't reporting their experiences just because they don't want to be associated with it.
There's a lot going on out there that if people pay attention to what's going
on and look in your area, there's too many resources out there now not
to look. If you're interested, look at the BFRO website, check your
area and see if there's been sightings documented. Look the Bigfoot Mapping Project app
and see if there's any documented sidings in your area. I think you'd be
surprised how many people out there are actually reporting them. Ran, Thank you
so much for coming on. Where can people find you? Where can people
find your stuff? You can find the shows Sasquatch Odyssey, the Backwards Horror
Story podcast, that Bigfoot podcast, But you can find those anywhere. You
listen to audio podcast, Apple Spotify, any of the podcast apps out there,
YouTube, channel, as well Sasquatch Odyssey and Backwards Horror Stories. The
best place is just go to our website, Paranormalwardproductions dot com. You can
find copies of the book there. We sell the book. You can get
the book on Amazon, you can get it Barnes and Noble, or you
can get an autograph copy from me right there on the store button on our
website, and you can find all the shows and more about us and the
other folks in the network that work with us, and anything you want to
know about me is right there on the website. You're a great interviewer as
well at the shows that I've listened, just out of curiosity, what's your
pro us an interviewer? And I always say it's my secret sauce. I
try not to talk to the people I'm going to interview until I see them
for the first time. I like to turn on the microphone, go right
into it cold, because a lot of people want to send you their story.
They want you to read it and be familiar with it. I've seen
that a couple of times. I've tried that a couple of times, and
interviews early on and I go in with preconceived notions about it. I'm already
thinking about the story before they say it. I tend to check out a
little bit because I know what they're going to say, but I like to
see it for the first time and hear it for the first time when I'm
in the moment. My secret sauce is really that I don't get into the
story before I have the people on. I don't ask a bunch of questions
until the end. I want them to go through the entire thing. I
don't like interrupting people. That breaks up the flow. I just take notes
the entire time, and then I go back and ask a few questions that
I have or what I think the audience might be thinking, and try to
get those in. It's really about highlighting the person that's on and their story.
It's not about me. The show has never been, nor will it
ever be about me. It's about the people and their stories that are on
whatever episode you tune into. Fantastic, Brian, thank you so much.
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