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Welcome back to the Path Went Chile
for part two of our series about the

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murder of Patrese Andres. And again
I apologize for my raspy voice. I

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am sick. We just recorded this
right after our first episode, so please

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bear with me. Robin, do
you want to catch everyone up on what

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we talked about in our previous episode. Well, this is a case that

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was featured on the Unsolved Mysteries reboot, which came out three and a half

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years ago, about the murder of
a thirty eight year old woman named Patrice

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Andres. She ran her own hair
salon in Foresight, County, Georgia.

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She was married to her fifty eight
year old husband, Rob Dress, and

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they were living with her teenage son
Pistol. That's his nickname from a previous

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marriage. And in April of two
thousand and four, Patrese was working her

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shift at the salon. They called
the Unsolved Mysteries episode thirteen minutes because she

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seemed to go missing during a thirteen
minute window because she received a call at

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eleven thirty seven am from a customer, but when a customer showed up at

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her salon at eleven fifty Patrise was
missing. Her car was still parked there,

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her purse had been rummaged through,
and there would be two witnesses who

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drove by the salon during that thirteen
minute window who provided different descriptions of Patrise

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with an unidentified individual outside in the
parking lot. One witness thought was a

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long haired man, well, the
other thought that the other the individual was

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a woman. But it appeared that
Patrise might be struggling with this person and

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that they may have abducted and murdered
her. And sure enough, it would

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be in November of two thousand and
five, eighteen months after she originally went

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missing, when her remains were discovered
in he wooded area behind a church about

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six miles away from her hair salon. They looked at a number of suspects.

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There was a serial killer named Jeremy
Jones who confessed to her crime,

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but a lot of the details he
provided did not match the condition her remains

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were found, and he was known
for making false confessions. They have also

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looked into another serial killer named Gary
Michael Hilton, and they have also looked

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at her husband, Rob as according
to their son Pistol, Patrese and Rob

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had been fighting a lot as she
was threatening him with divorce, and the

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day after Patrese went missing, Rob
went to the trouble of locking Pistol out

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of their residence and would not let
him go in to reclaim his possessions.

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And of course, after it was
featured on Unsolved Mysteries, Rob came across

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very weirdly in his interview and a
lot of people thought he was responsible for

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killing Patrese, but he did seem
to have a solid alibi placing him several

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miles away and at his workplace during
the approximate time period she went missing,

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and Rob passed away just a month
before we recorded this episode in late October

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of twenty twenty three. So if
he was the killer, then he never

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will receive justice for it. But
they've also looked into the possibility that it

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was a murder for hire, so
possibly Rob hired someone who did it and

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that person has yet to face justice. But it's also possible that Rob is

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innocent and the real killer is still
out there. So, as you well

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know, the title of the Unsolved
Mysteries episode about this case was thirteen minutes

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because that is believed to be the
approximate window of time in which Patrese's abduction

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could have taken place. The last
person who confirmed speaking to Patrise said that

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she phoned the salon to reschedule an
appointment before the call ended at eleven thirty

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seven am, and it's interesting how
the caller said that Patrise was unusually short

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with her during the conversation. Patrice
was described as ordinarily being a very chatty

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person, and another customer who frequented
the lawn at around nine am also said

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that Patrise seemed distracted and not very
attentive to her. So I wonder if

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this is an indication that Patrice had
something on her mind that morning, which

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might support the idea that she was
experiencing issues in her marriage with Rob.

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I also think it's possible that the
person responsible for Patrice's disappearance was already inside

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the salon during that final phone call, which is why Patrice gave off the

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impression that she wanted to get the
call over with as quickly as possible.

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Since the next call to the salon
in eleven fifty went unanswered, this strongly

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implies that Patrice had already been abducted
by that point, especially when you factor

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in the eyewitness accounts of Patrice's standing
outside in the parking lot at around eleven

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forty five. Now, we mentioned
in our last episode that the early media

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coverage of this case put a heavy
emphasis on an eyewitness sighting of an unidentified

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man and a white cargo band parked
outside the slawn. This detail took me

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by surprise during my original research,
since it was never mentioned on Unsolved Mysteries.

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But it was very disheartening to find
out this witness completely fabricated her story,

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and I have no idea why she
would do this, unless she was

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hoping to collect some reward money.
I'm not exactly sure how police learned her

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story was false, but it likely
had something to do with the fact that

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two completely independent eyewitnesses reported seeing a
blue car parked outside the salon, which

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contradicted her story. And that's quite
unfortunate because I couldn't find any mention of

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the blue car in the older newspaper
articles, likely because investigators wasted so much

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time chasing down the false lead with
the van. If the public had been

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made aware of the blue car much
earlier, who knows if things might have

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turned out differently. That's what's so
scary about these cases is that whatever the

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media decides to focus on. You
almost see the detectives the community. Everyone

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gets this tunnel vision looking for leads
and ideas that sometimes aren't even in existence.

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So it definitely distracted from the eyewitness
accounts. We do know that those

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eyewitnesses also kind of struggled to identify
exactly what kind of car, to identify

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who was with that car. Wasn't
an old woman, Was it a man

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with shoulder linked hair? Who was
it that was talking to Patrese? Was

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their physical violence between the two,
what was going on? We haven't really

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nailed down a consistent story from any
eyewitnesses, so it makes all of that

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information very troubling. That phone call
that Patrese gets at the salon from someone

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wanting to change their appointment. When
they say you can, you can hear

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in her voice that she's not herself. She's almost frustrated and very short tempered.

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I feel in my gut that someone
had walked into the salon to make

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her very uncomfortable, or that she
had already asked to leave, and she's

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trying to navigate somebody in person that's
frustrating her and this client on the phone.

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I almost feel like somebody's in the
store and they're threatening her, and

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they tell her to answer the phone
because they don't want to arouse suspicion or

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have anybody go, oh, well, why isn't she answering the phone.

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Let's go check on her. They
want to be uninterrupted during the commission of

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this crime. And so they go
answer the phone and behave like nothing's wrong.

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Because if somebody was just looking around, you might mention something like,

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hey, there's a weird guy in
here or whatever. But it seemed like

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she didn't share any details. She
just came off as really short. Yeah,

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it could be that she was under
dress or something that she's thinking that,

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well, if I tell the caller
about this guy, he may do

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something to me. So that's why
I think that she was worried that her

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life was an ager and that perhaps, for all we know, this person

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told her get this customer off the
phone as quickly as possible. Now,

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we frequently talked about the fallibility of
eyewitness testimony on numerous episodes of this podcast,

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and this case is a perfect reminder
of it. Technically, the two

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separate witnesses who drove by the salon
and saw patries outside next to a blue

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car. Were likely correct about the
basics, but they contradicted each other on

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certain details. One witness said the
car was a Chevy Lumina, well the

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other thought it might be a Floord, Taurus or Malibu. I can understand

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the contradiction because it's not like those
vehicles looked drastically different from one another.

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But what's really strange is that one
of the witnesses thought she saw Patrese next

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to an older woman, and the
other mentioned a long haired man. I

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guess it's possible that because of the
long hair, the first witness could have

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mistaken a man for a woman,
though if Patrese's killer was female, then

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that throws the case in an entirely
different direction, especially since the witness thought

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she saw two women placing their hands
on each other. Given the narrow time

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frame, it seems unlikely that these
two witnesses could have passed by the salon

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on different occasions and seen Patrice next
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I guess it's possible that the individual
of the blue car had nothing to

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do with Patrees's murder and just stopped
by to ask for directions or something,

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and subsequently left before the real perpetrator
arrived. However, both witnesses placed their

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sightings at around eleven forty five,
and given that the unanswered phone call came

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in at eleven fifty and a customer
who arrived at non nun noticed that Patrese

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was missing, the timeframe just seems
way too narrow. So Patrice was probably

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abducted only minutes, if not seconds
after the witnesses drove away. But regardless

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of whether the unidentified individual was a
man or a woman, they definitely did

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not match the description of Rob Andres, who was bald, unless he'd happened

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to be wearing a wig to disguise
himself. And while I have no idea

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what type of vehicle Rob drove at
the time, if he was linked to

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a blue Luminat Taurus or Malibu,
I'm pretty sure the authorities would have said

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so. They said they could not
rule him out as a suspect, but

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they also didn't have anything to actually
rule him in as a suspect, right

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to make him zeroed in on as
a main suspect. And so if the

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car actually matched the identity of Rob, or if the even physical descriptions had

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matched Rob, I don't think they
would have been making those claims. There

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are definitely some unanswered questions about the
circumstances of how Patrice was subducted. There

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was cash missing from the register inside
the salon, and it appears that someone

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took her wallet out of her purse
and went through it, though it seems

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like they missed the two hundred and
seventy dollars she had inside a secret compartment.

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But there's been a lot of skepticism
over the idea thought robbery was the

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primary motive for this crime, as
a responsible party may have stolen the money

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just to make it look like a
robbery gone wrong. The investigators have even

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said that salons are ordinarily not ideal
targets for robberies since they aren't known for

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keeping a lot of cash on the
premises. And of course, a lot

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has been made about the fact that
Patrice's suv was found park near the front

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door instead of its usual spot next
to the side of the building, and

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the two witnesses both claimed that the
suv was already positioned there next to a

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blue car when they drove past.
So this is why it's been theorized that

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someone could have lured Patrice outside by
telling her that their car needed a jump,

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but shortly after she moved the suv
from its usual spot, this person

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took advance of the situation and abducted
her. Hell this was the exact scenario

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Jeremy Jones described during his confession,
which is one of the reasons the authorities

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initially thought it sounded believable. I
do think this is a plausible theory,

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but the one thing I'm not sure
about is why someone would have gone through

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the cash register and Patrice's purse if
she is abducted outside the building. There

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has been speculation that more than one
person was involved in this crime, which

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might provide an explanation for why we
have conflicting eyewitness accounts about seeing a woman

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and a long haired man with Patrice. What if they were actually two separate

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people who conspired to abduct Patrise together. I was wondering the same thing,

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you know, when there's a description
that there was a older woman, and

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then you have a description that there's
a long haired man. Unless the oun

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witness is really just didn't get a
good look. I was thinking, is

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it possible it's one of those couple
kind of abductions where a wife is the

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one who maybe gets out of the
car, or an older lady gets out

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of the car to say, hey, I need your help, Patria.

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She's innocent, she doesn't seem threatening, and by the time the woman lures

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her outside, then you have a
man waiting to actually abduct her or hurt

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her. I think it doesn't require
much to think that once they had her

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subdued, that they would run in
and try to look for any quick money.

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Just running to the cash register and
grabbing the wallet out of her purse

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or the cash out of her purse
that was visible, doesn't seem too wild.

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I mean, while we're here,
we may as well see if we

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can get a little bit of money
to make our way a little further down

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the road. But it's crazy when
you think about them. Jeremy Jones,

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he does describe that exact scenario that
he needed to stop and hit up this

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salon and was able to lure Patrice
out. Oh, it's devastating to think

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there was such a short window of
time between her last client and the next

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person to come in that didn't find
her. To think she just literally vanished

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and we have no answers. Yeah, it could be a scenario where maybe

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the first and second witness are correct, that the one who saw or with

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the woman. Maybe this person pulled
over to ask Patrice for a jump,

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and she had a male companion who
was still inside the blue car at that

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point, and then by the time
the second witness passed by, the man

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had come out of the car and
was struggling with Patrese while the woman ran

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inside to go to the cash register
or check her purse or something. So

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that's why I don't think it's completely
implausible that it could have been a man

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and a woman working together. And
we're never truly going to know because of

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the state of her body when it
was found, being that it was skeletal

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remains, if this was a sexually
motivated crime, right, like we said,

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it could have been just staged to
look like a robbery gone wrong.

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But then they abducked her, so
it's like, what are you planning to

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do with her? And was that
the primary objective? Was it sexually based?

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But we're just we don't have those
answers now. Before we discussed the

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likelihood of rob or anyone else committing
this crime, we have to talk about

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the two convicted murderers who looked at
as potential suspects, and appropriately enough,

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both of these men have been considered
potential suspects in other cases which were featured

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on Unsolved Mysteries throughout two thousand and
five. Jeremy Jones dominated all the news

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coverage of this case since he made
a confession to Patrese's murder. At the

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time, she was still a missing
person, so it seemed like a very

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promising lead. But since Jones said
he dumb Patrise's body in a creek,

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which turned out to be over sixty
miles away from the wooded area where her

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remains were ultimately found, his confession
lost a lot of credibility. Many people

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no longer believed Jones had any involvement
in Patrise's death, and even though Jones

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himself has recounted the confession, at
least one investigator who was interviewed during the

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Unsolved Mystery segment was not ready to
completely rule him out, since Joanes supposedly

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provided very accurate details about the crime
scene. While his claims about luring Patrese

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outside by asking her to jumpstart his
vehicle do seem plausible on the surface,

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it also doesn't sound like he provided
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knowledge at this point. Most of
the newspaper articles from that time period mentioned

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Patrice's suv being parked near the front
door, so Jones easily could have taken

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that detail and used it to formulate
a false confession. Jones is currently still

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on death row for the murder of
Lisa Nichols, and while he's undoubtedly responsible

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for the murders of Amanda Greenwell and
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He once claimed to have killed at
at least twenty one people over one twelve

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year period, but at least one
of his confessions has been proven to be

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an outright lie, as he also
claimed to have been responsible for the nineteen

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ninety nine disappearances of Laura Bible and
Ashley Freeman, a pair of sixteen year

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old girls from Welch, Oklahoma,
who vanished after Ashley's mobile home was burned

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down and both her parents were shot
to death. Jones claimed that he murdered

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the adults over a drug before he
shot the two girls and disposed of their

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bodies in a mind shaft, but
after a search failed to turn up their

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remains or any evidence to support his
story. Well you might already know that

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a suspect named Ronnie Busick was arrested
for the crime in twenty eighteen and pled

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guilty to accessory to second degree murder, even though the girl's remains have still

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not been found. It turns out
the music and to deceased accomplices Warren Philip

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Welch and David Pennington were the perpetrators
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Once they have nothing left to lose. It's fairly common for convicted murderers

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to confess to crimes that they did
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would happen here. And Jones did
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he did not. Once you start
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it just shows that you need that
attention, that you are seeking some

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kind of preferential treatment, that you
want time out of your cell, that

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you want to go with police on
a wild goose chase. And he seems

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to have caught the attention to people, and multiple investigations where he's clearly gotten

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that attention that he was looking for. It's crazy because if you were genuinely

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trying to help, you would never
want to provide false information and lead investigators

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down the wrong road. You would
want to sit back and say, listen,

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I'm one death row. I have
some other families that I know are

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looking for their loved ones. Here's
where they are, and you would help

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their body be located. In all
of these that he claims that he participated

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in, he was never able to
help provide information for a body location,

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which really does show that he's out
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that's going to impress somebody. I
don't know who, but that seems to

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be his motivation. And he always
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time, so he can say that
he did whatever with the remains and they

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can't really disprove it. But as
we've seen with the cases of Laura Bible

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and Ashley Freeman, and also with
Patrese, he wound up giving these stories

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about disposing of the remains means that
were proven to be false. So that

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has to cause all of his confessions
to be put into question. So now

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let's talk about Gary Michael Hilton.
Even though he was originally arrested for the

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murder of Meredith Emerson and agreed to
plead guilty in order to avoid the death

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penalty. Hilton has since been charged
and convicted of three additional murders, which

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took place in late two thousand and
seven an elderly couple named John and Irene

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Bryant and a nurse named Cheryl Dunlap. The Dunlap murder earned Hilton a trip

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to death Row, which is where
he still resides today, and he's been

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looked at as a potential suspect in
some other cold cases, including the bizarre

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death of Judy Smith, which has
been featured on Unsolved Mysteries The Trail and

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Cold and The Path Went Chile.
As you might recall, Judy Smith vanished

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during a business trip to Philadelphia in
April of nineteen ninety seven, before her

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skeletal remains were discovered on a mountain
in Piscaon National Forest in North Carolina five

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months later. Obviously, there are
still a lot of unanswered questions about how

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Judy made that six hundred mile trip
down there in the first place. But

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since the murders of John and Irene
Bryant also took place in Pisgaw National Forest,

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there has been speculation that Hilton may
have been responsible for Judy's death,

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though no evidence was found to support
this. There are some tentative connections which

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link Hilton to Patrice Andrs's case,
such as the fact that the remains were

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found in Dawson County, which is
where he murdered Meredith Emerson and disposed of

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her remains. Even though Hilton once
made a remark about visiting hair salons to

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con people out of money, the
problem I have with the idea of him

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abducting Patrise from there is that it's
totally different from his mo Hilton's known crimes

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involve him targeting hikers, which is
why he's sometimes been referred to as the

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quote unquote National Forest serial killer.
Furthermore, one thing the murders of Meredith

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Emerson, Cheryl Dunlap, and the
Bryants all had in common is that Hilton

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installed their ATM cards and attempted to
use them to withdraw money. Pateresa's wallet

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and purse were left behind at the
salon, and while it's never been specifically

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confirmed if she had an ATM card
in there, there's no indication that anyone

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stole her card or attempted to use
it once again. In spite of the

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missing money from the cash register.
It's been suspected that Patrese's murder was not

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financially motivated, and that someone staged
to Robberate to cover up a more personal

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motive for the crime. I wonder
if there's anyone who was angry with her

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about being a competitor in business.
Was there anyone who had been trying to

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let's say, maybe they had misconstrued
her friendly, outgoing personality for flirtatious behavior,

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and they had tried to form a
relationship with her that she denied them

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of because she was a married woman. Was there anyone who wanted to be

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with Rob, or who was with
Rob who then wanted Patrese out of this

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scenario? Do we know any of
those kind of bizarre dynamics that could have

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been happening. Not really, No, Like, I've never seen any mention

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of any other potential side who had
a personal grudge against her, like anyone

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who may have wanted to start a
relationship with her or acted inappropriate ly in

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or salon. I haven't heard anything
about Rob having another woman on the side

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who wanted to get Patrise out of
the way in order to be with him.

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So I'm sure that if investigators had
found anybody like that in Patrese's personal

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life, they would have said so
publicly. But otherwise it just seems to

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be nothing. But because she worked
on a salon next to a highway,

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it's possible her killer was just a
complete stranger who just happened to stop by

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there. And with Hilton. Hilton's
the one that Rob actually went to this

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trial, right, that was Jones. The picture, Oh that was in

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Jones. Okay, that was the
one that Jones was convicted of. Okay.

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It's it's intense when you look at
these details of a serial killer who

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does have this kind of even though
his imo of killing people is more with

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the hikers. When he does mention
the hair salons, it makes the hair

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on your next stand up. But
that is just one detail of the crimes

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he committed. And like you said, he had such specific things he would

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do with the credit cards, and
her credit cards were intact, the cash

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was missing, so it doesn't really
fit the full picture. Similarities but not

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an exact immou which does call into
question is Hilton connected to this? Whatsoever?

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To this leads us back to Rob
Andres, And now we're going to

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talk about the things which do make
him look suspicious. During his Unsolved Mysteries

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interview, Rob claimed there was no
real motive for him to harm Patrese,

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and since she did not have a
life insurance policy, he did not profit

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financially from her death. But of
course, if the rumors are true that

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the marriage was falling apart and Patrise
was planning to divorce Rob, then there's

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your motive, given his supposedly controlling
personality. There's a symbolic creepiness to the

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fact that Rob was holding onto Patrise's
ashes and did not let anyone see them,

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as if it was his way of
saying, if I can't have you,

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no one else will. Unsolved Mystery
did not mention that Patrise left a

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note on Rob's car before she went
to work that morning, and we've only

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seen that piece of information mentioned in
one article from the Atlanta Journal Constitution.

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As you might recall, the note
read the best is yet to come,

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and I'd be really curious to know
what Patrise meant by that. The note

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could very well have no relevance to
this case at all. But if this

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was a message in which Patrice was
conveying her intention to leave Rob, then

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this could have been the breaking point
which set Rob off and prompted him to

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abduct her from the salon. While
the Unsolved Mysteries episode shared the detail about

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Patrice's wedding ring never being found,
it did not mention that the words Patrice

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and Rob Forever were inscribed on there. If you believe Rob is guilty in

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him holding on to the ring after
all these years, would totally fit his

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personality. However, like we mentioned
earlier, Rob did recently pass away and

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we haven't heard anything yet about the
ring being found in his possessions. Well,

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here's my problem with the ring,
right, It's very possible that when

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she was getting robbed and they're taking
money from her cash retor or any things

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like that, they say, take
your ring off, I want your ring.

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It's also possible she was found as
a set of skeletal remains. The

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bones were scattered everywhere. It's possible
that that ring was part of her but

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during the decomposition process, that it
fell into the dirt, sand, mud,

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whatever, and that it simply just
wasn't found around her skeletal remains after

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they were scattered and you know,
thrown about. So I don't know that

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you can read so much into the
wedding band. Would it have been powerful

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if it had been found in his
possessions? Yeah, oh my gosh.

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He would have been most likely guilty
because she was wearing it and then it's

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in his box with her ashes,
right. But other than that, I

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don't know that you can say ring
was definitely part of the crime or stolen

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off her body or something, because
her body wasn't intact when I was discovered.

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Yeah, that is true. I've
never thought about it the possibility,

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but I know that animals can scatter
human remains around. I don't know if

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one of them would take a wedding
band and walk off with it, but

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I guess it is certainly a possibility, and for all we know, it

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could still be out there somewhere in
the woods. But I can't imagine someone

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trying to steal it if robbery was
the motive, because if you try to

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punt off a wedding ring and it
has someone's name inscribed on it, then

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it's easily going to be traced to
you, and a lot of people are

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going to be reluctant to pay for
a ring that has someone else's names on

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them. I mean We've seen cases
where it looks like the most likely outcomes

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either murder, suicide, or somebody's
ended their own life and the gun isn't

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found at the scene when the remains
are found, and it's like, okay,

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well, animals will scatter remains and
that's the whole gun. That's a

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big thing. A wedding band will
be really difficult to find unless you had

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them like scouring the area with a
metal detector on their hands and knees looking

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for this ring. We just don't
really know how in depth the more this

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ring was. Maybe it was there
and they just didn't find it, yeah

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for sure, Like what if an
animal had grabbed her hand, you know,

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and taken it or her arm or
something, and that gets moved and

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in the process the ring slips off
somewhere, or like you said, Jules,

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they just simply weren't really looking for
it. I mean, it's possible

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they're interviewing the sun three days later
and he's like, did you find her

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wedding ban? She has a wedding
band, you know. Or it's possible

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that they discovered the body and then
it's not until an interview two weeks later

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that someone's like what about her wedding
band? It says, you know,

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Patrese and Rob forever did you find
that? And they're going, oh,

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yeah, we didn't really specifically look
for that. The biggest red flag with

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Rob was his decision to change all
the locks on his house and his refusal

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to allow Pistol inside the very day
after Patrese went missing. Rob's rationalization during

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his Unsolved Mysteries interview about be concerned
for both his and pistol safety does not

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hold water. Even if he had
personal issues with pis still and did not

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want to live with them, at
the very least, Rob could have still

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allowed him to come inside and collect
his personal possessions. I mean, Pistol

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was still a miner at the time, but Rob wouldn't even speak to him

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or ensure he had another place to
stay. It's terrible behavior from a moral

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standpoint, and it also makes no
sense from a logical standpoint. Patrese had

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only been missing for around twenty four
hours before Rob changed the locks, and

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no one could even be one hundred
percent certain she was dead. Why if

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Patris turned out to be alive and
returned home to find out that Rob had

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kicked out her son and returned home
to find out that Rob had kicked her

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son out of the house. If
there weren't already serious issues with their marriage

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before, that probably would have put
the final nail in the coffin, because

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if there's one thing which Patrice seemed
to have zero tolerance for, it was

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mistreating her son. So you could
see Rob's actions as an indication that he

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knew Patrice was dead and would not
be coming back. How much darker interpretation

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is that Rob did not want anyone
else to enter the house because he had

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incriminating evidence in there, possibly even
Patrese's body. Remember, even though Patrese's

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remains were found in a wooded area, that doesn't necessarily mean they were placed

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there on the day she disappeared.
That is so true. It doesn't mean

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that that she was placed there immediately. We have cases. I actually just

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watched a documentary about missing and murdered
Indigenous women where for eighteen days a young

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lady's body wasn't discovered through areas where
people were searching in gridlock patterns for her,

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and then on day eighteen, she's
out in the open in you know,

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a desert like area where you would
have seen her body had you walked

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by Patrese, wasn't you said?
She was in a wooded area about six

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miles away. But still there's no
guarantee that she went from that salon to

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that final resting place. Her body
could have easily been put there at any

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time later within those eighteen months.
I mean, in most cases, I

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wouldn't think that a spouse would keep
like the victim's body just hanging around their

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house. But we talked about on
the last episode that Rob shared a store

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about having to assemble Patrese's remains and
kiss her skull and cuddling up with her

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ashes. So he does seem like
a creepy enough guy that after murdering his

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wife he would keep her body around
the house for a couple of weeks before

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deciding to dispose of it in a
wooded area. And I just don't think

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he realized how tone death that sounds. Given that he's pulling her out of

405
00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:23.240
a cardboard box. I do not
believe for a second you're cuddling her ashes

406
00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:26.920
like a teddy bear, like he'd
said, if you're keeping her in a

407
00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:33.079
cardboard box, the two things are
not in alignment. But if we look

408
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:36.079
back and you look at any of
his actions, are any of his actions

409
00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:40.799
something that you think anyone with like
emotional sound faculties to themselves would do,

410
00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:45.200
Because let's say you're guilty as heck, let's say you're glad Patrese is gone,

411
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:49.000
you still have to pretend like you're
not. And there aren't many actions

412
00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:55.480
by Rob that actually protect his facade
when you look at the callous notions towards

413
00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:57.400
the towards the sun, when you
look at changing the locks, when you

414
00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:00.279
look at this idea of you know, she's in the cardboard box and he

415
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.799
had to go assemble her body and
hold the skull and kiss it, and

416
00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:12.240
something seems off incredibly bizarre. Yeah, I feel like he's definitely dealing with

417
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:18.960
a mental health condition or a personality
disorder, because it's it's just not connecting,

418
00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:23.160
it's not computing. He doesn't seem
to be able to anticipate how others

419
00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:27.920
will react to his actions, and
we see that as a pervasive pattern throughout

420
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:33.759
and that doesn't seem indicative of somebody
who seems to be incredibly self aware of

421
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:37.480
how his actions affect other people.
And so the question is is this guy

422
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:44.480
just an asshole? Or is he
an asshole who murdered his wife or is

423
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:48.599
he just a really sick person somebody
who's struggling with some undiagnosed thing. Because

424
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:52.680
then, remember, guys, he
also goes and he does, he searches,

425
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:56.119
he offers a reward, He goes
and stands at a trial saying justice

426
00:30:56.119 --> 00:31:00.920
for his wife. Like there's also
these other things where he's doing what you

427
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:06.240
would expect, but he's also doing
nothing to protect his own character. He's

428
00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:11.000
doing some things for Patrise, but
never once do you see him really even

429
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:15.440
trying to fake out police or the
community. That he's this upstanding man and

430
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:18.720
you would think he'd do something like
you think there'd be some notions of,

431
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:22.359
well we saw this, but not
this, and you know, he did

432
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:26.720
these things that were loving and not
these things. It's just a very confusing

433
00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:33.599
look at human behavior when you study
Rob specifically and Robin. Wasn't it true

434
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:37.839
that the Unsolved Mysteries producer I think
her name is Mirror, that she believed

435
00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:42.359
wholeheartedly that he was innocent and she
was really upset about the way social media

436
00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:48.400
reacted to Rob after the episode aired. She didn't say that she thought he

437
00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:51.880
was innocent, but she thought he
came across well when they showed up to

438
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:55.200
interview him, like they said that
even though he acted oddly, she thought

439
00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:57.359
he was sincere when he was speaking, and she thought that he genuinely loved

440
00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:00.559
Patrise, and he sounded like he
was remarried and had moved on with his

441
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:05.119
life. And I think she was
just shocked that people watched his interview and

442
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:07.960
just thought he was a real creep, because, I mean, you go

443
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:10.400
to online discussions, I'd say that
like ninety five percent of the people out

444
00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:15.440
there automatically assume that he's guilty based
on the interview. They don't really look

445
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:20.720
at the evidence. And it's quite
a contrast because I know that her husband,

446
00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:24.599
the co creative of Unsaw Mysteries,
John Cosgrove. He says that this

447
00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:30.119
is a sharp contrast to Jewel Kaylor's
infamous interview where he's saying that, oh,

448
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:32.119
it's just thought he disappeared and things
are really pretty good, and Jewel

449
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:36.599
has an attorney in his room yelling
cut cut, don't say that, why

450
00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:38.839
are you saying that? And it
doesn't sound like it's anything like that with

451
00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:42.359
Rob. I don't think he had
an attorney in his room. He just

452
00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:45.359
gave this sincere interview where he sounded
like he was really sincere about missing his

453
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:50.200
wife and just did not give off
the vibe that he killed her. And

454
00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:53.559
we have to remember that Rob had
an alibi, So I'm sure that they

455
00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:57.480
looked at his financials. If we're
to believe that this was a murder for

456
00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:02.160
hire, wouldn't there be some kind
of finalinantial trail left behind? Yeah,

457
00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:05.839
exactly like the I know we're going
to talk about this in a moment,

458
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:08.319
but there's an investigator on Unsolved Mysteries
who kind of gave a quote about that

459
00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:13.559
and implied that they just found no
evidence to indicate that he had paid someone

460
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:17.519
to kill his wife. However,
let's look at the logistics of Rob being

461
00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:22.920
able to commit this crime. Here's
an actual quote from one of the investigators

462
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:28.680
interviewed on Unsolved Mysteries when discussing Rob's
viability as a suspect. Quote, Rob

463
00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:32.839
Andres was thoroughly investigated, and we
created a timeline for him that doesn't eliminate

464
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:37.759
him from being able to do this, but greatly reduces the chances that he

465
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:40.440
could have done this. He doesn't
eliminate a murder for hire, but it

466
00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:45.680
just doesn't seem probable. We've uncovered
nothing that suggests that at this point end

467
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:52.400
quote. The only specific information we
know about Rob's alibi was provided by Rob

468
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:57.599
himself during his own interview, where
he mentions having a time stamped receipt which

469
00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:00.920
shows him getting gas in the town
of Woodstock, and that a turnstile recorded

470
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:06.359
the exact time he arrived at work. Rob states that this would have made

471
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:09.639
it physically impossible for him to commit
this crime, but since he hasn't been

472
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:15.000
completely eliminated as a suspect, I'm
guessing it's more improbable that he did it

473
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:22.119
rather than outright impossible. Newspaper articles
have stated that Rob worked a second shift

474
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:27.000
as a maintenance supervisor in Conyers,
though they did not name the actual workplace.

475
00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:31.679
It's also never been mentioned what exact
time Rob logged in. But Conyers

476
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:37.760
is located nearly seventy miles southeast of
Patresea's salon. But I'm very curious about

477
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:43.039
Rob's claim that he got gas in
Woodstock. Woodstock is a forty five minute

478
00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:46.360
drive away from the salon, but
it's also about an hour's drive northwest from

479
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:51.880
Conyers. In other words, Woodstock
is definitely not on the same route from

480
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:55.440
Rob's home to his workplace and would
have required him to drive several miles out

481
00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:59.679
of his way to get gas.
I mean, I guess Rob may have

482
00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:02.280
had a reasons for traveling to Woodstock
that day before he went to work as

483
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:07.119
shift in Conyers, and I'm sure
investigators probably looked into this. Whatever the

484
00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:12.760
case, it's hard to imagine Rob
abducting and murdering Patrice, dumping her body

485
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:15.960
in Dawson County, and then driving
seventy miles to work a shift as normal

486
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:22.480
without raising any red flags that something
was wrong. Remember, the police have

487
00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:25.159
all this information too, so like
you said, some of these things aren't

488
00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:28.719
lining up. They've said they can't
rule him out, but it makes it

489
00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:32.440
more complex to have him be their
main suspect. It also isn't possible for

490
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:36.639
them to rule out a murder for
hire. But one of the things I'm

491
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:40.800
dying to know and we never will
maybe is what was the condition of her

492
00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:45.719
skeletal remains, What were the injuries
to her body? They have to know

493
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:52.239
something because they are not releasing a
cause of death. They're not releasing details

494
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:57.079
from her body to the public,
which means either in my mind, there

495
00:35:57.280 --> 00:36:01.639
was a injury to the bones that
could have possibly been self inflicted or could

496
00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:06.519
have been inflicted by someone else.
If it was a clear suicide, I

497
00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:08.440
think they would have said if it
was a clear murder, I think they

498
00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:12.400
would have said if it was clear
that she had died from the elements,

499
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:16.559
maybe stumbled around and got hypothermia,
or you know, was out there and

500
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:21.719
just couldn't find her way back as
of some mental issue, then I think

501
00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:25.000
they would have said that. I
believe there is a questionable finding when her

502
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:30.239
body's discovered that they're leaning towards a
murder. Their questioning is this possibly a

503
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:37.159
self inflicted wound, and that's why
they're not ruling murder, suicide, accident

504
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:43.280
undetermined. Something with her skeletal remains
tells them some information that they aren't quite

505
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:46.599
able to interpret one hundred percent.
Yeah, Like it've never flat out said

506
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:51.360
that they consider it to be a
suicide or some unexplained death. I mean,

507
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:53.239
they pretty much seem to be leaning
towards it being a murder, but

508
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:57.960
it isn't a case though, like
where they say that we found the remains,

509
00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:00.599
but we couldn't determine how the victim
died. They definitely did find something

510
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:05.280
to make them think that they know
how she died, but they're just withholding

511
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:08.400
that from the public and likely to
read out false confessions from people like Jeremy

512
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:14.639
Jones. The biggest piece of evidence
which leans away from Rob being the perpetrator

513
00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:19.320
are the two eye witnesses who saw
Patre standing next to a completely different individual

514
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:22.760
and a blue car outside the salon. If Rob did it himself, then

515
00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:27.360
this means he would have had to
show up almost immediately after this other person

516
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:30.440
left, and he managed to abduct
Patrice before her next customer arrived at the

517
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:35.840
salon and noticed she was missing.
That doesn't seem probable, So if Rob

518
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:38.880
is guilty, then the only scenario
which makes sense is if he hired the

519
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:44.639
individual with the blue car to kill
Patrice. Rob's detourt a Woodstock could be

520
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:50.000
interpreted as him taking additional steps to
place himself at a faraway location and fabricate

521
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:53.760
an alibi. During his Unsolved Mysteries
interview, Rob even made a remark about

522
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:58.679
how he studied criminology, which some
people have taken as a sign that he

523
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:01.719
was using this knowledge to play out
the perfect murder. However, if this

524
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:06.519
was a murder for higher plot.
Investigators have stated that they've been unable to

525
00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:09.519
find anything pointing in that direction,
such as a large sum of money being

526
00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:14.360
withdrawn from Rob's bank account during this
time period, which he could have used

527
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:17.760
to pay the killer. Indeed,
it seems very brazen that Rob would arrange

528
00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:22.239
for someone to abduct Patrese from the
salon during the middle of the day,

529
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:25.599
unless the perpetrator was watching the place
for a couple hours that morning. It

530
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:30.159
seems like they got incredibly lucky to
be able to pick out a window of

531
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:34.800
time when Patrise did not have any
customers and was alone. I guess it's

532
00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:37.800
possible that Rob could have seen Patrice's
appointment book and known she did not have

533
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:43.480
any appointment schedule between eleven thirty and
twelve o'clock. But that sort of thing

534
00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:46.199
can change at any time, and
given that this was a public place next

535
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:51.800
to a highway, there's always the
risk of someone stopping by. I think

536
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:53.159
it has to be more random than
that. I don't think it could be

537
00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:57.840
planned to that extent, because how
do you know that that customer at eleven

538
00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:00.880
thirty is leaving at eleven thirty,
the customer coming at twelve isn't coming at

539
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:06.920
eleven thirty and waiting for their appointment. So it's very difficult to think that

540
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:08.519
Rob sat there and said, she's
got this thirty minute gap, this is

541
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:12.039
the time that I want you to
pull the trigger and get her. I

542
00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:15.519
do think it's possible someone random watched
and watched as only one car was left

543
00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:20.840
in the parking lot. I also
think it's possible that someone just pulled up

544
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:23.599
at the exact right time and there
wasn't anybody at the Salam, which is

545
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:28.360
why they then acted by robbing her, getting her in the car, fussing

546
00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:30.599
with her out in the parking lot. All of that is a very strong

547
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:36.320
possibility for a random nature of this
crime. But it is during the middle

548
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:40.360
of the day in a busy place, so brazen. That might make more

549
00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:44.840
sense of why it could have been
two people. It would be easier to

550
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:50.519
subdue and control her and manipulate her
if you have a trusting looking woman start

551
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:53.000
the whole act, and then you
have the man follow through and get her

552
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:59.159
into the vehicle. I agree,
I think there's a very strong likelihood that

553
00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:02.199
this could have been random. I
just don't feel like there's enough year to

554
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:07.480
support that Rob is involved, aside
from Rob behaving in a way that seems

555
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:13.719
to lack compassion and empathy and is
just outright odd, but that doesn't necessarily

556
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:16.440
make him a killer. And we've
got no evidence to support anything that was

557
00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:21.320
related to murder for hire, and
I think just the chaotic nature of the

558
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:25.480
scene seems like it was random.
But yes, there was likely two perpetrators,

559
00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:30.840
so I'm in agreement with you there. Ash. Look, I know

560
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:34.800
that Rob Andres became one of the
most hated people on the Internet in twenty

561
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:38.079
twenty, and there are some good
reasons for that, but given the circumstances,

562
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:43.079
it's hard to say with one hundred
percent certainty that he was involved in

563
00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:46.360
this crime. If Rob was involved, he seemed to do a very effective

564
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:51.800
job at covering his tracks, and
since he just passed away, a murder

565
00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:55.159
for higher scenario might be the only
way to figure out what exactly happened.

566
00:40:55.760 --> 00:41:01.199
The advances in DNA testing and genetic
genealogy have made it possible to solve cold

567
00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:07.239
cases and conclusively link them to suspects
even after they're already deceased. But the

568
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:12.960
problem is there is no DNA evidence
to work with in this case, if

569
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:15.119
Rob did this alone, then he
took all his secrets to the grave.

570
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:20.440
But if he hired someone to kill
Patrese, then that person may still be

571
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:23.159
out there and can face justice.
But on the other hand, this begs

572
00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:28.679
the question, if Rob didn't do
it, then who actually did. I

573
00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:35.679
feel like it's a stranger who had
either scoped out her salon before or who

574
00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:40.039
was watching her from afar and looking
at her habit. It seems too odd

575
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:44.960
for Rob to have been able to
pull this off. He doesn't seem highly

576
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:50.559
intelligent or very aware. He doesn't
seem to try to pull any stunt to

577
00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:55.960
actually make himself look good or have
a story that convinces him something else could

578
00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:59.119
have happened to her. I mean, he just seems to be aloof and

579
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:02.440
float along and makes real poor personal
decisions along the way. But I don't

580
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:07.039
know that he's well versed enough to
actually nail down this thirteen minute murder for

581
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:13.719
higher window and or do it himself. It just doesn't seem probable. I

582
00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:16.079
also think the serial killer links.
By the time someone's on death row,

583
00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:22.679
if they really had could contributed to
these murders, would they be talking and

584
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:25.760
telling the truth if they're willing to
talk about all these other cases. I'm

585
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:30.239
thinking more random. I'm thinking someone
got away with it and we just don't

586
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:35.519
know who they were to hold them
accountable. Well, I've always wondered if

587
00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:39.199
we should place some significance on the
location where Patrice's remains were found. That

588
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:43.480
wooded area was very rough to rain, and it would have been difficult to

589
00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:47.119
transport a body through there, which
is why investigators push forward the possibility that

590
00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:52.800
the perpetrator forced Patrise to walk into
the woods before they killed her. Rob

591
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:57.320
even made an odd remark during his
interview about someone using a wheelbarrow to transport

592
00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:00.639
her body, which struck many people
as strangely specific, though it could just

593
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:07.280
be him proposing a hypothetical scenario.
Since the perpetrator selected a location behind the

594
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:10.159
Lebanon Baptist Church, you also have
to wonder if they were a local who

595
00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:15.599
was familiar with the area. I
personally lean away from the idea of Patrice

596
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:19.880
being abducted by an opportunistic serial killer
who has just passing through the area,

597
00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:23.039
like Jeremy Jones or Gary Michael Hilton, but I have to wonder if it

598
00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:27.639
was an individual who had been inside
the salon before and was familiar with the

599
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:32.119
layout and may have even known Patrice
personally. A theory I've always found intriguing

600
00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:37.760
is that it could have been a
spouse or someone associated with Patrice's regular customers

601
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:40.360
who developed a fixation on her.
They may not have been planning to kill

602
00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:45.039
Patrice that day and only showed up
at the salon with the intention of making

603
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:49.719
advances towards her, but when she
rejected them, things escalated into violence.

604
00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:52.920
But let's not forget that one of
the witnesses was certain that she saw Patrice

605
00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:57.840
and an older woman putting their hands
on each other, So if the perpetrator

606
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was female, then that points to
this crime being motivated by some sort of

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personal grudge. However, if any
women ever popped up on the radar as

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potential suspects, investigators have not said
so. Until the person or the blue

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vehicle seen outside the salon that day
can be identified, the actual truth about

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what happened to Patrice will be based
on nothing more than speculation anyway. Ever,

611
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since this case was featured on Unsolved
Mysteries, it sounds like new tips

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have poured in, so hopefully maybe
this will lead to a resolution. Someday,

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if you happen to have any information
on the murder of Patrise Andris Lee's,

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contact the Georgia Bureau of Investigation tip
line at one eight hundred five nine

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seven eight four seven seven. That's
one eight hundred five nine seven eight four

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seven seven, Jules Ashley. Any
final thoughts on this case. This one

617
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is scary to think about. You
have a woman who was a mother and

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a wife and a business owner,
and she's in a very populated busy area

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doing her daily routine, showing up
to work, helping her clients, putting

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her lunch by the microwave, She's
made a rock and roll, and all

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of a sudden, you have a
thirteen minute window between one customer and the

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next coming in and she's vanished.
There are some very bizarre behavior by her

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husband. There is some very traumatic
and pitiful behavior towards her son who has

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is grieving his missing and then murdered
mother. And then we find her body

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as skeletal remains eighteen months later,
and we don't know much information beyond that.

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People have come forward with false leads, they've come forward with false confessions.

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You even have people who like you, guys told me are targeting Rob

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being the main suspect, while other
people say, I mean, how it's

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very rare. I don't see it. I think he's genuine. So this

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case is riddled with distractions. It's
riddled with confusion and a lack of information.

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Even the eyewitnesses contradict one another,
or at least aren't provided the full

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picture if they are both accurate.
So it's a sad case. It's one

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that I think if this really was
at random killing, there is still potential

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for justice. It takes one relationship
to change, one breakup, one wrong

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business transaction for someone to say,
ha, my friend told me that he

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killed her. I know what happened. This is who it was. So

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I'm praying for Pistol's sake, I'm
praying for her family's sake that all this

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attention does bring resolution. But at
the end of the day, I'm praying

639
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that Pistol's doing phenomenal and that he
knows how loved he was by his mother,

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who would put him before her marriage. It sounds like fight for what

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was best for him and would have
been appalled by the way he was treated.

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Even if Rob's not held responsible.
Yeah, my heart really breaks for

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pistol. I feel like he's such
a victim in this, and we've got

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to remember that he was a miner
when his mother disappeared. Patrice went missing,

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and he gets locked out of the
place that he calls home. He

646
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doesn't have access to his possessions,
and Rob, who would have been his

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guardian, did not make arrangements for
him. That is like piling trauma on

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top of trauma. And I can
understand why. Like Robin had mentioned earlier,

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ninety five percent of the Internet thinks
that Rob did this. I personally

650
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don't agree. I do agree with
Ash and that I think it's more of

651
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a red herring. I think that
his behavior is very atypical and it seems

652
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completely out of touch, and he
does these bizarre things. But I think

653
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it's more indicative of somebody who's suffering
from a mental health condition or a personality

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disorder, rather than somebody who killed
his wife. Because when it comes down

655
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to it, we just don't have
the evidence to support that he did this.

656
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The only way that he would have
likely that would have been probable,

657
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would be a murder for hire.
It seemed like his alibi made it very

658
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unlikely that he could have done this, and then when we look at the

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eyewitness testimony, both eyewitnesses described somebody
that looks nothing like rob who was bald.

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It was somebody with long hair,
whether a woman or a man.

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I agree with Ashley that I think
it's most likely a random person. This

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was a major highway, so wasn't
it Root six Robin. It was Georgia

663
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State Route three sixty nine, Georgia
Route three sixty nine, so this is

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a major highway and there could have
been any number of people who were opportunistic.

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We don't know if robbery would have
been the motive or it could have

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just been a stage robbery in order
to cover up another motive. And if

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you're going to steal a woman in
the middle of the day and you don't

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know her, then the most likely
other motive is a sexually based one.

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But like I mentioned earlier, we
just we are never going to have the

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answers there because we don't have any
DNA and we didn't have a full physical

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body. We only had the skeletal
remains. It's just my heart breaks for

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Pateresa's family. I'm just so happy
that they got her remains back and that

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her ashes can be where they belong
in outside of Rob's possession. Yeah.

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I still remember when the Unsolved Mysteries
episode about this dropt three and a half

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years ago, and the Internet just
exploded with the reaction to Rob Andris Unsolved

676
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Mysteries. Fans were saying that,
oh my god, he's the creepiest,

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guiltiest husband since Julie Kaylor. But
then you look at the evidence and you're

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like, yeah, he acted terrible
in his interview, But the investigators who

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were interviewed, who were interviewed on
the segment flat out said that they don't

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seem to lean towards him doing it
this, like they haven't eliminated him as

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a suspect, but it just kind
of seems physically improbable that he could have

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done it, and there's no evidence
of a murder for hire. And I

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think that if he wanted to kill
Patrise, if he had a motive,

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if she was planning to divorce him, he would get rid of her in

685
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a much less risky fashion rather than
having her abducted from her salon in broad

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daylight when any witnesses could have come
in and seen it. So I definitely

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know overall leaned towards her being the
victim of a random attack. I don't

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know if it was a stranger.
It could have been someone who had a

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personal grudge with Patrese or someone who
had a fixation on her. Perhaps there

690
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was a creepy man who liked to
come in there and hit on her,

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and she just never told anyone about
it, so that when she when this

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person killed her, no one looked
at this individual as a potential suspect.

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But like I said, I do
think that the hatred towards Rob has money

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the case a bit. I know
he did some despicable things by holding on

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to Patresea's ashes, and if there's
a bright spot to him passing away,

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at least Patrese's family, particularly Pistol, has got her ashes back, so

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there's some sort of closure for them, even if they don't actually find out

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who killed her. I know that
law enforcement probably has a lot more information

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about this case, and they've released
publicly such as the cause of death,

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so I would be interested to know
if they have any other suspects in mind

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besides Rob. But if she was
the victim of a random perpetrator just passing

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through the area, then it will
make it more difficult to solve, and

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it might just be a matter of
the right person coming forward with information.

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Maybe someone has openly bragged about this
to someone, and if this information has

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passed on the law enforcement, maybe
this will finally put this individual on the

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radar and finally get them charged with
the murder. Well, then I'm hoping

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that we finally get a resolution in
this case. Robin, do you want

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