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According a Stegment Dennison from yesterday,
it appears that the Reds games on Friday

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and Saturday night will be about forty
thousand strong. I think SRO is only

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available. Sunday is about thirty thousand. Other words, once again, the

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Reds are going to sell out Great
American Ballpark, when earlier this year they

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had the lowest attendance ever. And
then we're in a ten game stretch starting

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tomorrow. Then after that they go
to Milwaukee for three, then they get

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played the Dodgers and Cubs. So
by the first part of August, we're

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gonna know if this is real or
Memorrex coming up later as Sean Miller,

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coming up later as Hailey McNamara of
the National Center for Sexual Exploitation of Children.

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This is in relationship to the movie
Sound of Freedom was number one in

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the country this summer with Jim Caviezel
and the sexual exportation of boys and girls

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for profit. But until then,
Moe Eger, welcome to the Bill Cunningham

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Show, and mo when I look
ahead, what lies ahead? How excited

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should we be? I monitor the
National broadcast that it appears Elie de la

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Cruz. According to the National pundits
should have been in the All Star Game.

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Yes, maybe as a starter or
at least as home run derby.

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And at this point, I think
the Reds since he came up on June

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sixth, which is d Day,
Della Cruise Day, our twenty three and

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eight and that second best record in
all of baseball. So looking forward to

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the second half of the Reds baseball
season, what lights up the corners of

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your mind a lot? I start
with the search for starting pitching, because

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they need better starting pitching in the
second half of the season. But I

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think it's going to be really fun
to watch what I think is going to

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be a two team race. I
don't think either the Reds or Brewers can

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run away from each other. Obviously, there's a huge series you just mentioned

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it that starts tomorrow. I think
we are really in for a fun,

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you know whatever. It is ten
eleven week dash to the postseason. And

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I think more than anything though,
just watching this team handle the Pennant race,

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watching this team handle the national attention
they're getting. I got a call

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today from a guy from Yahoo Sports
who's going to be doing a big story

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on not just the Reds but sports
and Cincinnati and the dramatic one eighty we've

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done here as a city. This
is a team. If you watch the

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All Star Game the other night on
a couple of different occasions, unprompted,

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Joe Davis and John Smoltz talked about
the Cincinnati Reds and deservedly so. So

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can they live up to the hype? Can they live up to the billing?

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And can they get the starting pitching
help they need? Looking at it

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from thirty thousand feet FC Cincinnati a
couple of three years ago, last place

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they stunk. Now they're the best
team anamalis. So we got Messy.

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Messi's coming here in about four weeks
around August at twenty third or so.

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I think Messi that'll be bigger than
maybe Taylor Swift. I might ask you

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who's bigger Messi or Taylor Swift.
I think globally, I might say Messy.

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I think I'd say Messy. I
think without question, he's you thought

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Paley was big in the nineteen seventies. Yeah, just do another love.

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I think Messi is the sports is
all of sports, biggest global star right

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now, and he's gonna play at
TQL. Yeah. It's because again the

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West tennis Cincinnatis, that possible number
one might not be possible to get a

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ticket. It's not possible. FC
was like at the bottom, now at

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the top with MESSI. Secondly,
the Bengals two or three years ago were

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a laughing stock, and all of
a sudden they're the favorite in some minds

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to win the Super Bowl and they're
exciting. Complaint when I whenever I watched

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national shows as a stand up of
Joe Burrow behind the host saying Joe Burrow

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is either one, two or three
the best quarterback on all the football offensive

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linemen want to come here the block
which never happened before. It didn't happen,

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even the Boomer Glory years, it
didn't happen. And then the Reds

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who lost a hundred I said a
hundred games. I said a hundred games

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when last year October of last year
was seven eight months ago, they were

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a hundred games. Now we're talking
about the World Series. So no city

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has done what Cincinnati has done.
And on top of it, Taylor Swift,

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and on top of it the tennis
coming, and on top of it

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the Kroger Classic. Cincinnati is the
place to be. Why actually break it

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down by team, What the hell
happened? And you know you add to

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it now we have two major conferences
in town with the Big Twelve and obviously

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Sean Miller's basketball program in the Big
East. Yeah, we we deserve this.

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We as fans, we as a
city, we deserve this. I'm

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you know, I don't know if
there's any one common denominator other than good

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players. I mean, that's the
Bengals have a bunch of good players.

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The Reds have a bunch of good
players. FC Cincinnati has a bunch of

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good players. You know, you
start with Joe Burrow. And I don't

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know that it's that surprising that the
Bengals by now are bona fide Super Bowl

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contenders. I think what is surprising
is the fact that in a second and

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third year they appeared in back to
back AFC Championship games and came this close

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to winning a Super Bowl. I
think it's interesting though the Bengals go into

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this season there's maybe not a super
Bowl or bust feel, but I think

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there is a sense of Okay,
they've come close. It's it's kind of

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time to go get one, and
so how do they handle that. I

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think that's going to be really interesting. But they are on the shortlist of

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teams that I think coming into the
season you talk about being bona fide championship

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contenders. FC Cincinnati might be the
best team in the league. Last night,

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in what felt like a rather hum
drum sort of slog that they were

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going to lose, they end up
not only surviving and getting a point,

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they get three on the road.
That is a really good and well coached

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team and well put together team.
And you know, we've seen the US

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men's national team representation as it relates
to FC Cincinnati soccer postseason's kind of random.

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But they're in the US Open Cup
semi finals. They have a chance

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to get the Supporters Shield, which
is what you get for having the most

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points in the regular season. They're
going to be a playoff team with a

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chance to win a title. And
they played in the league's Cup here in

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a couple of weeks, and they've
got the captain of the MLS All Star

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Team, which next week is going
to play a team from the English Premier

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League. So a lot of credit
to Pat Noonton and Chris Albright for what

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they've done there. The Reds,
Willie and my wildest dreams. I never

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thought we'd be talking about the Reds
being in first place coming out of the

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All Star Break. I think we
all believed they had a chance to be

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better than last year, because you
couldn't be any worse. And I think

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we all believed that with the collection
of talent that they have been accumulating,

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that you could start to envision the
Reds being pretty good next year and maybe

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really good in two years. They've
got a chance to play in October,

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which would be one of the most
remarkable and I know that the postseason's kind

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of watered down. It's there's six
playoff teams per league. This would be

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one of the most remarkable single season
turnarounds in baseball history. Maybe not the

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greatest, but certainly one of them. We've had worse to first teams before.

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But it's not just that Willie and
mid May they were seven or eight

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games under five hundred, and now
it feels like, not only can they

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not lose, but different hero emerged
is every night. And I think the

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exciting thing about this is we're talking
about the Reds entering an age where they

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should be relevant and able to compete
every single year with these young players,

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they have and more than anything,
the Reds are cool. Like read what

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people are writing about the Reds around
the country and Elie Dela Cruz and the

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way in which they play and the
brand of baseball they play. The Cincinnati

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Reds are cool. And then you
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It's it's a really fun time.
I think it's a really fun time to

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live in Cincinnati. It's a really
fun time to be a Cincinnati sports And

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the Reds official told me we don't
have to make a deal for a starting

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pitcher. By the way, the
Reds have the third worst starting pitcher pitching

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ERA and all of baseball. They're
terrible. They got the Nickolodolo coming in

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the next two weeks, three weeks, then they got Homer Green is hurt

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constantly. I mean they think if
Green shows up in pitches and if Nicolodolo

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show up in pitches, that's the
two aspects that we don't have to trade

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in Canarcion or somebody to get a
starting pitching What does most say about that,

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um, Well, that strikes that
strikes me as a strategy of hope.

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Now, look ideally, yes,
Hunter Green comes back and he's terrific.

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The last six weeks, and yes, Nicolodolo comes back and he's terrific.

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Now the last six weeks, are
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those Neither of those guys have pitched
two full seasons. Neither guys pitch

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in the big league pennant race.
Now you would be getting fresh arms.

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It's worth mentioning neither guy is dealing
with an arm issue right now, which

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I think is important to point out. But you know, I've heard,

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well, they hope they're back in
August? Is that August first? Is

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that August thirty first? Are they
they back pitching? But not necessarily effective

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yet to me? And by the
way, that's that's still a few weeks

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away. And so I think a
few things have to happen. I think

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you start with Graham Ashcraft. He's
back, he's healthy, and his last

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two starts he's been really good.
That has to continue. That absolutely has

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to continue. You clearly hope you
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That's still a lot of youth and
it's still a lot of hope.

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Why not go for it? Why
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could rely on. I would love
justin Verlander I would love Kate Upton bring

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her, but the reality is,
look, you can't do this. You

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can't. You can't have spent the
last two or three years yelling and screaming

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that the Reds don't care about winning, and then when they have a legitimate

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chance to win, it to have
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much they care about winning and give
Nick Crawl an opportunity to not necessarily finish

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this off, but given Nick Crawl
an opportunity to show that he can make

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a move like this. I think
most of the decisions he has made since

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he has been in his current role
have been really good. He's put together

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a pretty good club, and I
think within the parameters of the direction the

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Reds chose to go and Nick Crawl
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acquiring young talent now give him a
shot to make a decision that balances the

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long term with the short term.
But you can't complain year after year after

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year that the Reds don't do what
it takes to win and then not want

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them to do what it takes to
win now making twenty extra million dollars every

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three game weekend sellout, and it's
that's that's important, Willie. I talked

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to Millie. I talked to somebody
with the Reds during the last homestand and

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he said, we're going to have
money to play with because what we projected

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and what we're getting those are different
numbers. And so we're we're going to

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operate uh in in the black from
a from a from a revenue standpoint this

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year. Well, okay, the
Reds have always said we take the money

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we get and we put it into
the ball club. It's Phil cast to

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Laney off the hook. I think
he is off the hook in terms of

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choosing to take the Reds in the
direction that he chose. I wish,

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and I'm sure he wishes he could
go back in time. I wish the

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tone too too at times about you
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if you, if you pressed Phil
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if you could go back and do
it all over again, what would you

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have done instead of being combative and
antagonistic and kind of talking down to folks

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who are critici criticizing the team.
I think if you would have a just

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sort of understood heat's gonna come your
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B Hey, look, I know
you don't like this. I know this

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is tough. Trust me, what
we've got coming is going to be really

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good and you're gonna love it,
and you know what, bear with us

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and the short term if you don't, we think you're going to be back,

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because that's exactly what's happened, instead
of where are you gonna go?

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And just the overall combative tone.
I think, in terms of the direction

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the Reds have chosen to go in
sure fills off the hook, mainly because

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they haven't deviated from the plan that
they set forth a while ago. And

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my biggest criticism of the Reds for
years has been that they never stick to

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a plan. Phil and Bob and
company have stuck to the plan. I

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think if they just would have said, hey, look, we trust our

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plan. We want you to trust
our plan. If you don't, we

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get it, hopefully you're back by
the time we're good again, because we

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think we're going to be really good
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the case right now, Phil could
do a victory lap. I think it's

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hard for him to kind of do
that right now, But in terms of

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what he chose to do, yeah, I for me at least as of

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now, he's off the hook.
The big name is Michael Lorenzen. He's

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an All Star from Detroit. He's
got a friendly contract of like eight million

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dollars. Yeah, Reds and have
to pay about three of his contract.

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Tigers want to deal him. They're
going nowhere. Lorenzen would love to come

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here. He's an outfielder, he's
a starter, he's a middle reliever,

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can be a closer. Wouldn't it
say something if they did everything in their

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power to get Michael Lorenzen back.
Yeah, Michael Lorenzen was an All Star

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this year because the Tigers had to
have an all Star. He's not having

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an All Star caliber year, but
he knows how to pitch. He is

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a versatile. He wouldn't be my
first choice. But but I'll say this,

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Michael Lorenzen is a starting pitcher for
a good team. Is probably a

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middle of the rotation guy, so
as Tyler Malley. Now, unfortunately Tyler

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Mallley just had Tommy John surgery,
so he's not available to the Minnesota Twins.

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But the Reds traded Tyler Malley this
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they get for him? Three guys? Spencer Steer who could be the Rookie

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of the Year this year. Pretty
good. Christianer Carnassi owns frand so that

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just goes to show. For a
picture the level of Tyler Malley, the

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Minnesota Twins had to give up something
significant. So for a picture the caliber

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of Michael Lorenzen. Yeah, you
might pick up some money, but you're

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gonna probably have to give up something
significant. And I think you let Nick

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Crawl do what a a general manager
is paid to do, and that's balance

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long term considerations with short term.
You gotta go for it. The National

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Lyue CENTU will probably not be as
bad next year. You don't know year

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to year what the health of your
team is going to be. Windows close

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more quickly than I think people realize. So I think you've got to I

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think you've got to take a stab
at it. And baseball's postseason is random

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enough. Right now, the Atlanta
Braves in the National League look unbeatable.

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But how many times has the best
team, the team with the best record

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in the NL or the AL made
the World Series? Not often? Yeah,

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So I think a long suffering fan
base, you gotta go for it.

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All right, mo, thank you. We'll see what happens. It

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all starts tomorrow. Tickets are going
to be at a premium. I'm saying

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the Great American Ballpark now is the
place to be. I can't imagine pay

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Course Stadium, but that's going to
be like the preseason game. But Packers

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is only about a month away.
That's unbelievable. Plus we have to talk

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about Lionel Messi, yes coming here
along with Ronaldo. So tomorrow begins a

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ten game homestand I am going on
Saturday. I don't have an extra ticket.

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I'm taking my daughter on Sunday,
and so I do have an extra

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ticket if you would, if you
would like to join us. I'm thinking

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about going to the game Monday,
and I'm thinking about going Wednesday. Now

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I'll be out of town the following
weekend, so I can't go to the

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Diamondback Series, but I always make
the overture. This is the longest homestand

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the Reds have this year. We'd
love to see at the ballpark. Let

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me think about it. I can't
make a commune me and Crosley on the

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summer Sunday at the ballpark. Can
you think of anything better? Yes?

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Polls called today under the leadership of Frank

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as Ibelle and Swim. This year
many issues percolating. Number one, we

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have the arrest and we've scheduled an
appearance by the good Sheriff of Amble County

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with us tomorrow. After the three
o'clock news conference, Brian Combs tells me

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we may carry it live. This
is the murder of Tamaya Barton Pickens,

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age nine years old, and as
many kind of predicted, and I had

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a birdie whisper in my ear that
there was a male family member who had

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committed some wrongful act against someone who
a robbery that one and hired these two

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individuals to do what they did,
believing that the robber was living in that

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home in Silverton. So one thing
leads to another. Guy's name is Quassam

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Dixon. I can't imagine being twenty
five years old with an extensive previous criminal

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record. He's a hired hand and
a killer who was hired by a robbery

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victim to shoot up the house to
send a message to the robber. And

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just by terrible circumstances, the male
family member decided to spend some time at

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that home in Silverton where Demaya Barton
Pickens, nine years old, was residing

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with her grandmother. There were a
total of three kids in the house and

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just unlucky circumstances for her that the
family member of Demaya Pickens's, one of

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the boyfriends, so to speak,
was himself a robber who robbed people.

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And the person that was robbed hired
with Sam Dixon, and the getaway driver

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was Damario Williams, and the killers
under a two point five million dollar bond,

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and the nine year old girl there
scheduling a funeral, and this reminds

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me of the uncertainty of human life. I had a cop tell me that

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so far this year, this happens
everywhere, but the frequency is generally in

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the black community. But in Indian
Hill there's been about twenty two burglaries so

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far this year, which are somewhat
unexpected. In Indian Hill, almost everyone

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has, in one sense or another, an alarm system or something in place,

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and it's done in a way because
some of this is happening. The

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run of the mill. Burglary should
go where the money is. That's why

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banks are robbed, that's where the
money is. Go to Indian Hill,

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or go to somewhere like Villa Hills, go to rich sections of Warren County,

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and that's why it happens. And
what's feeling a lot of this extra

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crime are illegal gangs who have come
across the Southern border and they're hired out

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and paid to do certain things.
Much like the industrial strength shoplifting happening.

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It isn't simply individuals who put a
bottle of head and shoulders in their purse

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and out they go. These gangs
are hired to loot, to rob,

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to steal, commit burglaries as a
consequence of them owing the drug cartels serious

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money for getting them over the southern
border. And so when Indian Hill as

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numerous dozens of car break ins and
burglaries, something more is at stake than

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the run of the mill stuff.
It's because the gangs have chillions, or

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they have Ecuadorans or others. They
came across the southern border and to pay

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off their debt they have to work
for these gangs for one or two or

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three years. That's why there's industrial
strength shoplifting happening in the tri State,

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in which shopping carts are filled up
and out you go, and no one

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stops anyone from anymore anyway from occurring, and a curse. It appears that

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if if a Walgreens or CBS discovers
that an employee is trying to film or

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video or tape someone stealing or stopping
someone, the employees in trouble. And

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so we're living in a time of
massive lawlessness that makes absolutely no sense.

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The idea of a twenty five year
old young man firing a couple of three

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dozen shots willy nilly. Twenty eight
rounds were fired out of an AK forty

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seven into the home of a family
living there when a male member of that

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family committed a robbery against somebody else
that hired Quissan Dixon, who hired than

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De Mario Williams as the getaway driver
to shoot up the house willy nilly,

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without concern who's inside. Normally,
if someone's got an ax to grind against

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a male member of a family,
you look up that member of the family

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and deal with it. But not
anymore now because of the lack of ethics

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and values, because of a of
a revolving door criminal justice system, individuals

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go in and come out. In
fact, the prosecutor in this case said

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that uh, that the main the
main perpetrator, Dixon is well known,

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and the prosecutors said that the man, Uh, the man recruited Dixon to

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go after the relative. So the
victim of the robbery recruited Dixon, the

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shooter, to go after the male
member of the family of Demaya in order

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to send a message. And prosecutors
David Wood, my good friend, is

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in prosecutor's office. He calls the
cases in room at said that Dixon has

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an atrocious history of picking up new
charges while he's out on bond. So

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Judge Kirk Kissinger it's a pretty damn
good judge said. Dixon's bond at two

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point five million dollars and he appeared
in in court on crutches because as part

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of the getaway there was a crash
that took place, causing injuries to him

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and injuries to the getaway driver,
Demario Williams. And now we have a

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life taken. It's an awful circumstance. And guess what's likely to get worse,

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not likely to get better anytime soon. Williams, who was the getaway

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driver, fled from police and crashed
into a convenience store, and the coppers,

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the homicide detectives Hamlet County Sheriff's Office, deserves quite a bit of credit

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because within a day or two they
focused, they did what they could have

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find out the perpetrators. And Williams's
lawyer, who who's the so called getaway

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driver, argued for a low bond, stating that his client's connection to the

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shooting was based upon rumor and innuendo. Prosecutors said they planned to file additional

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charges against the getaway driver, including
a possible felony charge of fleeing and a

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looting. So while the investigation continues, the judge set his bond only fifty

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thousand dollars to look at the pictures
of Demaya, the cheerleader on the West

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Side Panthers, a youth football cheerleading
organization. She was supposed to be on

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the west side of town because of
certain dysfunction in her family. She just

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happened to be staying for a few
days in Silverton, and the city of

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Silverton, which is a great community, well known to the great American,

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said that our thoughts and prayers are
with the family and friends of young Demaya

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Pickens Barton as they grieve and try
to make sense of this. We extend

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our wholehearted support about this unimaginable difficult
time. Silverton is a small, close

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knit community right on the eve of
on the edge of Deer Park in Madeira.

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In fact, for a long time
Silverton has tried to get their kids

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into either Madeira Public Schools or Deer
Park Public Schools because they're right now.

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They hooked to as CPS, which
is a failing school district. And so

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for that to happen, Number one
CPS since I Public School has got agree

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to let Silverton go. And secondly, you have to have Madeira or deer

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Park willing to accept the kids out
of Silverton, which I am confident der

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Park would accept. Madeira is over
subscribed, be Madeira is building new buildings

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for all the kids going to school
in Madeira, and der Park under the

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leadership of J. Phillips is kind
of bursting at the seams. Also because

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people want to go to a functional
community. So if Demaya was residing in

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Silverton, she would have to go
to Cincinnati public schools, which is not

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a good place to be, which
is why I complement Bill Sites and other

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Republicans in Columbus that are providing voucher
systems so good kids can get out of

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dysfunctional schools wherever they might be with
a voucher if the other school will accept

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them. So deer Park accepts a
few, Dara accepts a few, but

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they can't have one or two hundred
because both school systems will be oversubscribed.

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Got to build new buildings. But
the lawmakers and columbers are doing their damnedest

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to try to help kids who find
themselves locked in terrible circumstances. And some

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of these terrible circumstances are in rural
areas in Adams and Brown and Highland County

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also in which the school districts are
completely dysfunctional and they're not succeeding whatsoever,

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and it's a terrible You can't give
up on kids. You can't say to

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Demaya that you're nine years old.
I assumes she's in the third or fourth

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grade, and you're not being educated. You have to stay there, locked

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in that environment. And I don't
know whether I blame certain members of the

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Barton family for having a member in
the family who's I guess, an armed

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robber robbing people. But that's a
dangerous business to be in because they get

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somebody killed. It's probably no more
than fifteen hundreds or two thousand dollars.

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And when I speak to my friends
in the criminal defense bar, it is

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more violent now than it's ever been
in the city of Cincinnati, you know,

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Mark Twain, the wise Mark Twain
said, I want to be in

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Cincinnati when the world ends, because
Cincinnati won't find out about it for about

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ten years. And Chicago, Austin, Dayton, Saint Louis, Baltimore is

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there right now, in which there
is completely dysfunctional schools, track meets in

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the hallway, teachers get worn down, school board members don't know what to

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do. And to an extent,
the CPS school board members, the Mike

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Mourowsky types, etc. Have good
feelings in their heart. They want to

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do their best. But when you
have the majority of kids coming out of

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dysfunctional environments in which education is not
valued, those are lifestyle choices. It's

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not about racism. It's about lifestyle
choices that family members make that put kids

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like Demaya in terrible circumstances. And
then she's victimized by the behavior of a

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family member of a relative who robbed
some other third person who hired these hired

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killers to kill or shoot up the
home where where the robbers located and Tamaya

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Denard Demaya of of of Silverton,
who should have been on the west side

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of town spending some time there in
Silverton, Demaia Barton pickens, it's just

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another victim of urban violence. And
these things happen all over the place all

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the time, whether it's Claremont County
with that Dorman character who should be summarily

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executed for killing those three little boys, or this murderer who's a hired hand

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for money, sprayed about about three
dozen bullets into the home or Demaya just

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happened to find herself, just happened
to be there. So Demaya Pickens is

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dead and they're planning a funeral and
it's sad. But right now we have

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a functional police department, we have
a functional sheriff's department that can find these

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individuals quickly. Cincinnati has about a
clearance rate of a little over fifty percent

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of the homicides in the city and
about seventy percent of the homicides in the

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county. The perpetrators are arrested.
In many big major cities the numbers twenty

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percent or less. And it's going
because veteran cops are leaving, and because

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so many individuals don't want to become
cops, it's going to become more and

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more difficult. But at three o'clock
today, Jack Crumley tells me we're going

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to carry the news conference conducted by
our sheriff Charmaine McGuffey about how this thing

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developed, and if things go well, she'll be with me tomorrow at noon

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to talk about the investigation in where
it is at that point, it's obvious

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at this point that Demarrio Williams,
the so called getaway driver. They have

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to prove that he had knowledge of
why they went to Silverton. And right

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now he's under some relatively minor charges. But if he knew that a hit

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was going to take place, he
participated in it. As the driver of

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the vehicle. He would have had
to have slowed down to put that many

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bullets into that home if he watched
it going on, If he knew it

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was going to take place and he
drove away, he's equally culpable with Dixon

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and is facing aggravated murder charges.
And because we have a functional prosecutor's office,

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when you murder a child, you
can get the death penalty. But

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I'm confident in twenty five or thirty
years, if the judiciary and Hamlety County

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continues on the same course, about
half the judges on the bench have a

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different attitude about criminal justice than the
other half. Likely Williams and Dixon may

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get out of jail in twenty five
or thirty years, But of course the

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nine year old girl will not.
She's dead, and this will continue on

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and on for as far as the
eye can see, until we separate from

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American society. The killers and the
murderers who perpetrate such harm in our community.

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It's happening in Claremont County. It's
happening in Indian Hill. When you

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have a couple dozen home break ins
and cars are being broken into. It's

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fueled by gangs and their insatiable desire
to get money, and so forewarned is

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forearmed. It is sad that Demaia
had to face the end of her life.

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I look at this face and her
cheerleader outfit. What an atrocious situation

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that her life ended because a family
member of her female relative had a relationship

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with him and that he was an
armed robber and he committed offenses that resulted

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in a killer being employed to go
shoot up the home that he thought the

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robber was living in, and Demaiah
was an unfortunate victim. All right,

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let's continue after one o'clock today,
we have Steve Raleigh to talk about what's

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happening at beginning at four o'clock about
his daughter Madison and her death and why

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it happened. After two o'clock today's
an expert on the movie Out with Jim

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Caviezel about human and sex trafficking and
more. Plus later on we have the

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head basketball coach of your Savior Musketeer
Sean Miller. I'm gonna ask him questions

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about nil money and how we go
from here. And as Moja said,

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I can't think of a better time
athletically and downtown to have events going on

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of this character. I would note
that three hundred thousand attended the concert with

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Taylor Swift, along with the Reds
and along with TQL Peaceful Calm. It's

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a small number of individuals. Black
males are generally responsible for these activities,

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but black males in general are not
responsible. It's the small number that calls

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havoc in the black community and elsewhere
that must be separated. And it's not

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just about color. I refer you
to the Dorman case in Claremont County and

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the two dozen burglaries happening in Indian
Hill because of the insatiable desire for money

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and profit by these gangs, and
they must be locked up permanently. Twelve

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themselves. And of course, unrelated
to that, as the efforts of Steve

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Raleigh and Juliet at Mattie's House and
the fundraiss gone. And as I speak

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and begins I think at four or
five o'clock today in a couple of hours,

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and Steve Raleigh, welcome again at
the Bill Cunningham Show. And let's

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go back in time just a little
bit, because Mattie's House has now become

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like a symbol of parents and many
others who care about the lives of their

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children when they get off track,
But can you talk about the last year

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or two that you and Julie dealt
with Maddie's difficulties and how the house that

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currently exists may have assisted with that. But go back a year or two

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before her death and explain what you
were dealing with. Well, quite honestly,

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it was something I wouldn't wish on
my worst enemy. It went about

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ten or twelve years of some issues. My daughter, unfortunately had a rather

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unfortunate incident as a small girl,
and she masked that pain with drugs as

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she got older, and we only
found out through counseling that that's what she

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was doing. And so it took
a long time to go through that process.

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And once we were able to get
her a little bit in the straight

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and narrow there, we also had
to deal with a dual diagnosis which she

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was also bipolar, so she was
dealing with an addiction and a mental illness,

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and so it was a long,
hard road. And I'll tell you

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that as I stand here now,
as I talked about it, I almost

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well up because it was so tough
for Julie and I to deal with.

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You know, the interesting thing about
Maddie's house bill is the fact that it

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was my daughter Madison's idea when after
about the fourth or fifth rehab, she

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said, I could teach this stuff. I just need somewhere to go.

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I need somewhere to hang out.
I need people who understand me in the

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road that I've walked, so that
I can get help from other people when

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I need support who understand me.
And so at that point, after unfortunately

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her being tired of being tired,
she took her life. And that was

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coming up almost five years ago.
It's January seventeenth here, and so at

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that Julie and I said we've got
to do something, and we started Maddie's

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House, which was in a two
thousand square foot storefront here. In the

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last couple of years, we've had
three hundred thousand service hours and ten thousand

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00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:05.800
individuals in and out through a NA
and it's a hangout for recovering young adults.

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So it's not residential. It's worth
somewhere to go because here and across

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the midweston really virtually across the country, nothing like this exists. Its aftercare,

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and that's what we've developed in Mattie's
House. Wo we're about to move

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into a giant eight thousand square foot
house coming up in about six weeks.

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Steve Raleigh, when you went through
that process, and almost every family is

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touched by either drug addiction, alcohol
addiction, by polar disorder, god knows

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00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:37.840
what else. It's rare to leave
it to beaver lifestyle. It's things happen

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in life. And you fight in
your holler and your scream, and you

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say, I've had many parents call
me over the years and say, my

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00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:49.199
child literally is on the street.
She's twenty four years old, she's addicted,

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and she comes to the house.
I let her back in my house.

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And after a year, after a
week or two, things are missing,

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00:38:55.599 --> 00:39:00.519
she sells things. I come home
from work and there's strange is living

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in my own house that my daughter
allowed to come into the house. I

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00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:07.440
call the police. They don't know
what to do. And this is a

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terrible, terrible circumstance that many families
deal with. And I don't think anyone

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is better situated to deal with and
Steve Raleigh and Julie Lesa Raleigh, because

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you two, shall we say,
are extremely well connected. You're bright,

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college degrees, you knew what to
do. But there's many families that don't

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have the connections that you two had. And with those connections and with those

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00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:35.920
influences, you still couldn't solve the
problem because it overwhelmed you. What would

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you say to a mom or dad
listening this afternoon that says, right now,

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00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:42.960
I'm dealing with a similar thing,
and I don't know whether to let

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him or her my child back in
my house, not let them in my

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00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:50.039
house, they leave, they destroy
things in the house. That's ruined my

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life. I don't have a life
anymore. What advice would you give to

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that person, if any Well,
I'll tell you this. Each case is

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individual, of course, but we
went through everything you talked about, and

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it was very difficult for us.
We went through all of the stages of

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00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:08.480
trying to keep it hidden. We
were embarrassed, we didn't let our friends

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and family know. And then at
some point you just say, well,

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we've got to deal with this.
And then we took the measures that we

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took that were appropriate for Madison at
the time, and we did what we

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could. The bottom line to this
is, obviously, it's frustrating, it's

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difficult, it's overwhelming, and frankly, I'll be honest with you, there

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were times Julie and I were at
each other's throat. Unfortunately, during an

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addiction situation. Often that person tries
to side and split the two and we

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realized at that point the key,
at least one of them is is to

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00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:50.480
stay united. Whatever you decide to
do, you have to stay united.

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00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:53.239
And that's the one piece of advice
I would say that we learned over time,

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and this was a time period,
as I say, of about ten

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or twelve years. But that's what's
important here is getting the help. And

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00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:05.880
then once they get the help is
to have a place like this aftercare of

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00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:09.599
Maddie's house, because there'll be somebody
else who's further along in their journey and

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00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:14.440
that young person, that young adult
can say, Okay, I remember where

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00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:17.039
you are. Now here's what I
did, and this might help you.

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00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:22.079
And that's why this peer to peer, this community that we're creating, this

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00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:25.960
ability to not just come and have
coffee. Yeah you can do that,

543
00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:30.239
but maybe you want to come to
a meeting and then play ping pong or

544
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:32.840
pool, or you want to take
a yoga class, or maybe some life

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00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:37.679
skills because so many times there's you
know, you've been in jail because of

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00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:40.239
these things and you need help with
getting a job or anything like. These

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00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:45.079
are the services we're going to provide
and it's all free and we're about to

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00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:47.199
open up there, as I say, in about six to eight weeks on

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00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:52.880
two acres on a beautiful bucolic setting
with a pond. We just put in

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00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:55.400
a fountain in the back. You
can hear it gurgling from the big deck

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00:41:55.440 --> 00:42:00.440
we just put on. And it's
all happening right now and to at four

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00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:04.280
o'clock. We need everybody to tune
in so we can continue these services.

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Was there a sense of guilt?
I have a family member dealing with a

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00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:14.360
similar circumstance, and she feels as
if my parental skills are not up to

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the task. She's a devout Roman
Catholic that would pray, light candles,

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00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:22.480
go to novena's, say the rosiary. The prayers were not answered. Maybe

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00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:27.280
they were, but she perceives they're
not. And now her child has been

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00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:30.719
absent from her house for about three
months. Has no idea where that girl

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00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:36.079
is. She's about twenty five,
twenty six years old. Could be in

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00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:39.119
Louisville, could be in California,
could be dead. I don't know where

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00:42:39.159 --> 00:42:44.119
she is, and has trouble sleeping
at night. When the phone rang,

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00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:46.800
she's hoping it's her daughter calling for
help. Did you have a sense that

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00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:52.320
you failed as a father? I
think there was a time of that.

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00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:57.079
I think Julie as well. We
both thought what did we do wrong here?

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You know, one of the things
I hope to acme was, quite

566
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:02.760
honestly, Bill, is to break
some of the stigma down. You know,

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00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:07.960
Julie and I have been blessed in
life. We had four kids,

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00:43:08.199 --> 00:43:13.119
we have a nice life, a
couple of good jobs. We've been able

569
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:16.119
to enjoy our family at a level
that we thank God that we can.

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00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:22.639
And it can happen to anybody.
And that's the thing that you have to

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00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:30.280
remind yourself that it's not just folks
who may be at a socioeconomic level that

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00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:34.400
is not up to your part,
because we're the prime example of just something

573
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:38.039
happening in the past that ended up
building up to a situation now. So

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00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:44.119
yes, we have felt that before. The one thing we know is as

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00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:46.360
God fearing people, honestly, is
this was a plan we don't like.

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00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:52.000
And there's a plan for everybody in
life, and Julie's and mine we were

577
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:57.880
uniquely placed. Julie's a master fundraiser
and I say fun fund raiser and She's

578
00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:01.639
been marvelous to be able to create
opportunities and with my little bit of celebrity

579
00:44:01.719 --> 00:44:06.719
because of the good folks at Channel
nine and being able to do this telethon

580
00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:10.320
tonight at four, well, we're
somewhat placed to be able to put Mattie's

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00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:15.559
house in the community. And so
now we eat everybody else to support us,

582
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:17.360
and I hope that happens tonight.
All right, it begins at four

583
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:22.159
o'clock on Channel nine, and I
think it's great Channel nine's allowing you to

584
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:25.400
do this because if a family's not
yet been touched by this, they will

585
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:30.199
be at one point. It's one
thing if your son, your daughter develops

586
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:35.760
a lymphoma, develops a brain cancer, you tell people. There's some stigma

587
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:39.119
in some people's minds attached the idea
that my son, my daughter has a

588
00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:46.679
mental disorder that has flowed into chemical
addiction. It's flowed into maybe marijuana,

589
00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:52.800
maybe fentnel, maybe alcohol, whatever
it might be, and then the drugs

590
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:57.039
are taken to mass to bipolar and
that has a geometric effect on the personality,

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00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:00.280
the fighting, the arguing, the
screaming, the the arrest, the

592
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:04.079
fact that the child is under arrest. Do you bail him out, do

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00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:06.760
you not bail him out? Do
you want him to stay in jail?

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00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:10.199
Don't want them to stay in jail? And your life is consumed by this.

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00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:15.440
And I can't imagine the call that
you received that Madison had killed herself

596
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:20.280
because she couldn't deal with the pain
and that she was going through. She

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00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:22.599
felt trapped, I'm sure, and
that was the way out of her anger.

598
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:25.679
But for all of us who have
had dealt with family members, I

599
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:30.639
know at one point I had an
uncle who was a long View State Mental

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00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:34.039
hospital, and as a boy,
I would visit him there and it was

601
00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:36.840
so heart rendering. He got out, got back in, he went in,

602
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:39.679
came out, began drinking, did
this, did that, committed crimes,

603
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:44.079
went into the system, came out, and it never ended. And

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00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:46.800
I think to an extent that maybe
a person in the throes of what Madison

605
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:52.519
was going through thought she wanted to
save you and Julie the pain of dealing

606
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:54.920
with her life, and that's why
she ended it. She loved you so

607
00:45:55.000 --> 00:46:00.760
much, she wanted the pain that
you had to end. Well. She

608
00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:04.719
always told us she loved us.
She always also said, you don't understand

609
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:07.800
me, and that's what really tripped
things for us to try and get this

610
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:13.920
Maddie's House together and to your point, build these are diseases. These are

611
00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:17.159
diseases that people go through, and
the kids that we're helping because we're focused

612
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:22.199
on young adults, are the ones
that have gone through counseling and rehab and

613
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:25.639
want to stay helping. They've for
whatever reason, had problems that got them

614
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:29.360
there, but now they want to
go a good path. And that's what

615
00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:32.360
makes this so important. In an
addition to that, for everybody else who

616
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:36.719
may not be touched by this.
And I think that's a small percentage from

617
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:38.800
what I know and the stats that
I've seen, but if it is true,

618
00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:44.960
the reality is is something like Mattie's
House and places like what we're trying

619
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:49.559
to accomplish as a template for other
communities will help the community in general.

620
00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:53.440
We know the epidemic of Fenton al
that's going on in Ohio. You know,

621
00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:59.400
Ohio has twice the national average,
and we have all of these stats

622
00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:02.960
to in Hamilton County and elsewhere around
our area in the dry state. So

623
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:07.840
that's why we think this is so
important and we're hoping for everybody's support all

624
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:10.519
right beginning at four o'clock. And
what is the website for those who want

625
00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:15.320
to be involved financially, giving time, whatever. What is the website to

626
00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:21.519
whom we can direct the American people. Sure, it's Mhcinc Dot org.

627
00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:27.960
So it's mh C I NCY dot
org. So you can always give there.

628
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:30.000
And then of course we go four
to eight tonight and we've got a

629
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:35.199
complete show just us from seven thirty
to eight o'clock. We got some cool

630
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:38.719
celebrities, we've got some great information, and we've got a firsthand behind the

631
00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:43.199
scenes look of the brand new Maddie's
House coming up. Steve Rowlie, thank

632
00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:46.719
you very much. And your journey
and your fight today will be many in

633
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:50.840
the days and weeks and months and
years ahead. And good luck to you

634
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:53.360
and Julie. Thank you very much. Thank you Bill, and I just

635
00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:57.679
want to say one sentence. You
have been there for us from the beginning,

636
00:47:57.679 --> 00:48:00.639
and thank you so much for the
support. Steve, Thank you very

637
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:04.760
much, So let's continue. One
thing I did mention is that I've had

638
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:09.000
family members have been in the throes
of mental health difficulties, and generally when

639
00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:15.119
you have that problem, often it
takes in today's life to form of alcoholism

640
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:20.840
or drug abuse or something, and
that many can reach out today's we're better

641
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:23.320
off now than we've been in a
very very, very long time about more

642
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:30.360
or less accepting the idea that if
these people need help immediately, and if

643
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:34.639
you've not been touched by drug addiction, alcoholism or mental health, you're you're

644
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:37.440
blessed. But go to the website, get involved, and let's help these

645
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:43.719
very special people. Let's continue.
Bill Cunningham, News Radio seven hundred WLW.

646
00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:46.280
Now that you've taken on that given
to the penalty area, it comes

647
00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:50.679
out to Obi WOMANO, who take
your son? Obi? WOMANO has done

648
00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:57.800
it? Woman? Oh death two
to one Cincinnati. Oh about that?

649
00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:13.440
Hell? Helloo, Hello, I'm
broadcasting. You know I'm saying back to

650
00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:16.920
back. We got Chip hard tomorrow
one thirty. Justice Joe Dieters will be

651
00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:23.039
here, no smoking state visit from
JJ himself as Scott Slippers, some wine.

652
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:28.440
You'll be here. Wow. But
my neighbor in Finnytown, now we

653
00:49:28.519 --> 00:49:32.880
got I went to the to the
public school. He went to the to

654
00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:37.119
the Atolic school. He's rich,
and we weren't allowed to play with each

655
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:39.639
other. Okay, we shouldn't play
with him anyway? What are you talking

656
00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:42.880
about? I know, but they
we weren't allowed to play with each other

657
00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:45.960
because that's the way it was.
No. I called you about a couple

658
00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:50.239
of saturdays ago, all my way
out to Climes Market to buy some cream

659
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:54.440
horns, and you invited me to
your ponderosa in Claremont County. And I

660
00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:58.800
said, well, you said your
wife, VICKI was like delivering a long

661
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:02.360
horn your baby or something. I
said, that sounds painful for the woman

662
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:05.800
to deliver a long horn, Am
I right? A wrong? Well,

663
00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:09.320
what gave you the idea that they
have horns when they're a baby being born?

664
00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:12.519
What? What? What do you? Where did that come? What

665
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:15.840
are you? What are you inez? How the heck would you get that

666
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:19.960
through the love canal? I have
no idea. I mean, for crying

667
00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:22.679
out, that would be a problem
right there. So when did to develop

668
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:28.880
the horns? They start developing about
two months after they're born. About that?

669
00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:34.440
And she bottle feeds four calves right
now? What time she bought she

670
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:37.199
gets nursing at her breast or what
is it? No? No, what

671
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:42.719
gave you that idea? I mean
nursing? He has all these ideas that

672
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:49.119
you have no idea about the idea. So she bottle feeds. They get

673
00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:52.599
about a half gallon of milk in
the morning, special up calf milk.

674
00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:58.199
And there's four of them, so
they're they're being bottle fed at about six

675
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:00.599
thirty in the morning. They're wine
and I mean they're ready. They want

676
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:04.800
to eat. They want to eat. And then during the day that's supplemented

677
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:07.360
with straw and a couple of treats. You can pet them, you can

678
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:13.360
walk them like a dog. And
that's the reason for bottle bottle feeding is

679
00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:19.000
to get them accustomed to people.
People. And yeah, this began as

680
00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:21.760
an advocation. Now it's a business. Is that correct, Yeah, it's

681
00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:27.039
a full blown business, Straight Creek
Cattle Company. Horn she will be,

682
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:30.440
she will be. You have to
have the calves to sell. So she's

683
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:34.800
still building at her and she's become
a real badass. I'll tell you what.

684
00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:37.159
You see a woman handling a long
horned cow, you know the ways,

685
00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:40.760
six hundred pounds and the horns are
already two and a half feet.

686
00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:46.239
They'll get to five feet on each
side, and she's a badass. She

687
00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:49.880
wrestled them down. If they get
a little I'll tell you what you try

688
00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:52.039
and get one in a trailer or
one of those shoots that so that you

689
00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:57.559
can do a blood sample. It
can get a little testy. I can

690
00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:01.440
imagine you're like a ripped wheeler in
the Rosa yellow Stone that's my favorite.

691
00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:07.400
And you're like Rip Wheeler or John
uh, probably closer to John. Yeah,

692
00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:09.159
use you're a rip Wheeler. Do
you have bet? I like to

693
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:14.639
see best Actually wife, if if
rip Wheeler or a woman, that would

694
00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:19.360
be my daughter. She has become
quite the uh, quite quite the tough

695
00:52:19.480 --> 00:52:24.440
kid helping mom raise cattle and seven
dogs. No, I fix things,

696
00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:29.239
okay, okay, I fixed the
fans. I gotta I gotta moved up

697
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:34.480
the rolls of the handyman. I'm
the handyman. Okay, breaks right,

698
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:38.159
I'm any animals do you have Let's
see twenty head of cattle, about fifty

699
00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:44.000
chickens, uh, six sheep that
helped graze down all the weeds and poison

700
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:49.039
ivy and seven dogs. That's almost
three or three of the dogs are Great

701
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:53.599
Pyrenees and their their sole purpose is
to protect the calves and they do that's

702
00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:58.840
that's what they do, and they
do. So your house is like I

703
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:02.559
gotta come out a full blown farm, that's what. It's just not a

704
00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:06.159
big one. It is kind of
a fort. It's kind of like a

705
00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:13.639
compound, SAgs, It's a compound, that's right. I have a thousand

706
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:16.119
foot driveway and I can touch the
end of it with them if I need

707
00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:20.679
to. Okay, the ground just
gives out. You just disappear, that's

708
00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:23.960
right. It's become quite a life
change, that's and see, that's why

709
00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:28.440
I have to come into the city, okay once in a while and be

710
00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:31.480
here and hang out here and having
an office. So your wife's taken of

711
00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:36.159
this more than you thought she ever
would. She did, she did.

712
00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:39.239
Uh, it's quite quite amazing.
I mean, you got to be committed

713
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:45.760
to do something like that, and
it's a long term commitment along with homeschooling

714
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:51.280
the kids, which she's been doing
for about five years now, and what

715
00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:54.079
they're learning homeschooling with you know,
two hours of chores a day, you

716
00:53:54.119 --> 00:54:00.000
know, with the animals and all
that chickens. I'll tell you what it's.

717
00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:01.360
It's something else. They want to
get out, They want to get

718
00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:07.840
to graduate. They're perfectly happy.
They're perfectly happy. Yeah, they just

719
00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:13.199
weren't meant for the routine. They
tried school. They tried public school,

720
00:54:13.400 --> 00:54:16.599
okay, and it didn't exactly go
the way it. Try something different,

721
00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:22.599
try something different. And what a
time to be homeschooling right now. Fantastic,

722
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:25.519
especially in your ponderosa. That's right, that's right. Say give me

723
00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:30.440
some sports and making fast hard is
making a state visit. Hold, hold,

724
00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:35.159
talk about a job you have that's
easy this summer and fun for crying

725
00:54:35.199 --> 00:54:40.719
out loud with all the great news, the great sports. I don't have

726
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:45.400
to think about that for Everybody's the
first place I know it's wonderful. Two

727
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:50.320
years ago, everybody, we're talking
already a bad place. Will the manager?

728
00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:53.440
Will the manager be gone at the
at the All Star break or right

729
00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:58.440
after the break? Or who's going
to get traded in about two or three

730
00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:00.840
weeks? And now it's like who
are they going to add? And all

731
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:07.000
this stuff. It's unbelievable not to
mention. Normally you'd be talking aboungals haven't

732
00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:10.599
even started yet. But normally you
you would be talking about what you're gonna

733
00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:14.639
be what the teams are gonna be
doing next year? Exactly? Yeah,

734
00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:17.119
right, we got night. Yeah, that's right here, Milwaukee, you

735
00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:21.920
got three Milwaukee four, the Giants, three the Snakes. Then is two

736
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:28.639
Milwaukee to Los Angeles Dodgers the next
seventeen days. Uh, I go nine

737
00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:30.119
and eight and be very happy with
that lineup. I'll tell you what,

738
00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:34.320
I'm looking forward to, some good
well I want to go. It's gonna

739
00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:38.639
be good stuff. And Bley is
like he came here June sixth on D

740
00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:44.000
Day. Since then, the Red
Legs are twenty three and eight, which

741
00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:46.719
is second and all of baseball.
Only the Braves have a little bit better

742
00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:51.719
record. They're the like, the
second best team in baseball. I'm thinking,

743
00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:54.960
what and you got Lionel Messi is
coming here August to twenty third.

744
00:55:55.440 --> 00:56:00.440
Messi is bigger than Taylor Swift?
Am I right or wrong? Oh?

745
00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:02.199
You're right, you're right. And
look at I've never met the cowboy.

746
00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:06.079
I would love to meet the Cowboys
sometime. But talk about a guy that's

747
00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:08.840
wet and his pants calling games.
You can hear it. We got to

748
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:12.800
say at right there, there's one. I mean, I didn't know,

749
00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:15.280
I know he wet his pants.
That's what it sounds like. He's awfully

750
00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:19.440
he's awfully happy and excited. The
last few years. In the middle of

751
00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:24.880
July, I sold out. My
ballpark is sold out this weekend. Yeah,

752
00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:29.119
he's got he's got a lilt in
his voice. Oh it's good.

753
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:31.840
And if Bengal is gonna pay the
packers in three weeks and then you got

754
00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:37.360
FC they're undefeated, untied, unscored
on and Messi is coming to sit in

755
00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:42.320
a bar and otr. Can you
see Lionel Messi with my good friend Ronaldo

756
00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:45.480
having a schnops an otr? Would
you believe that? Oh? I think

757
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:49.159
I'll take him to the opera.
What do you think? I love the

758
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:53.159
opera and Southern too, absolutely love
the opera. Well they the Stude Reports

759
00:56:53.159 --> 00:56:58.280
a pro service of your local temp
star he did to get their conditioning dealers.

760
00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:02.320
Temps are quality you can feel in
Cincinnati called Schmid Heating and Cooling five

761
00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:08.599
one three five three one sixty nine. Can you name one opera? Just

762
00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:14.159
give me one. What Phantom of
the Opera? Is that an opera?

763
00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:20.880
Good enough? Not bad? You're
pretty good. It just popped in my

764
00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:24.679
head. It's like everything else.
How about swan Lake? Never heard of

765
00:57:24.679 --> 00:57:29.239
it? How about the Nutcracker?
That's not an opera, that's a play.

766
00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:34.400
No, I didn't I that urology
exam. I'm not sure what that

767
00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:37.280
is, Bellieve. We also want
to thank Ron's Roost Restaurant and bar,

768
00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:43.159
the world's greatest fried chicken, Donna
the Princess of a Chicken, bringing down

769
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:46.000
our road lunch. Today's the thirty
eight fifty three race road on a good

770
00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:52.679
old west side at Ron's Roos dot
net five one three five seven four Z

771
00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:57.960
two two two is the chicken hot
line. It's supposed to move to Anderson

772
00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:00.920
or have a place in Anderson or
on the east side. Is that what

773
00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:06.840
it was? Yeah, only a
carry out location. And uh Tom Weedman

774
00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:09.840
didn't give enough tax credits? Is
that what it was? We're deck kidding.

775
00:58:12.079 --> 00:58:15.760
I got a report from John Barrett
that called in Nuncracker is an opera?

776
00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:21.480
Oh it is okay. You should
have known that the Reds twenty twenty

777
00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:24.960
four schedule. Willie is already out. The twenty twenty four schedule is out

778
00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:30.199
for the Red Legs. What you
will give your speech opening day Thursday,

779
00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:35.800
March twenty eighth, Great American Ballpark
against Saint Louis the Washington Nationals. That's

780
00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:42.599
good. The Cleveland Indians, the
avaunted Ohio Cup is back the wait minute,

781
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:47.599
excuse me, scratch that. The
Guardians come to town Great American Ballpark

782
00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:54.559
two games June eleven and twelve.
Also, Otani comes to the Queen City

783
00:58:54.920 --> 00:59:00.039
with his Angels May twenty four,
twenty five, and twenty six, like

784
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:05.719
the Royal Day weekend trout Otani,
if he's not traded in the house,

785
00:59:05.800 --> 00:59:08.639
don't you have any current news or
sport was going to happen a year from

786
00:59:08.639 --> 00:59:14.159
now? Come on, I didn't
come down here to listen the road.

787
00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:19.000
The road games include they're gonna play
the Yankees over fourth or July weekend all

788
00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:22.800
next year. Happy about that.
College football Evan Prater out of Wyoming switching

789
00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:29.000
positions or quarterback to wide receiver,
good corny to coach Scott Sadderfield. Xavier

790
00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:32.800
has announced their non conference schedule for
twenty three twenty four. Muskies will open

791
00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:38.719
the season against Robert Morris November six
at the Sintas Center. They'll play news.

792
00:59:38.760 --> 00:59:40.559
That's what I'm saying. This is
what it is. What have you

793
00:59:40.639 --> 00:59:45.639
been doing all day? Huh?
You're not coming back here anymore? The

794
00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:50.960
eleven days you're supposed to let him
have it? Not men stay at game

795
00:59:51.039 --> 00:59:58.039
regular season schedule, eight home contests, Skyline Chilly Crosstown shootout against those Bearcats

796
00:59:58.039 --> 01:00:01.679
Center. What the data that Saturday
December ninth, Let me get out my

797
01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:07.239
calendar on my phone and the Cincinnati
Bearcat's reports are they have added the Evansville

798
01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:13.760
Purple Aces to their home non conference
schedule Saturday, December thirtieth. Yet wait,

799
01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:20.119
congratulations last night to FC Cincinnati winning
last night two goals in the waning

800
01:00:20.199 --> 01:00:24.360
moments. As you heard at the
top of the Stude report that was Tommy

801
01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:31.760
g on ESPN fifteen thirty good.
How about some current sports. I need

802
01:00:31.840 --> 01:00:36.440
something a lot going on, Reds
and Reds and Brewers tomorrow night in the

803
01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:42.119
first of three wy at GABP seven
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804
01:00:42.119 --> 01:00:46.119
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805
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806
01:00:53.239 --> 01:00:58.480
Jeep, Dodge and Ram. What
about Messi. Messi's coming to town

807
01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:04.199
in August? Can you leave Messi's
gonna play soccer at t q L If

808
01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:07.159
you say so, you don't you
know who MESSI is. No, I'm

809
01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:10.159
afraid I don't about That's okay.
How about Christiana Ronaldo? Mike? What

810
01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:16.960
about the boppy? I am about
a Harry came about Caca? No,

811
01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:21.000
I don't know any of them,
but that's okay. I think gave your

812
01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:24.159
dogs to them. Is that your
dog's names? Uh? Caca? No?

813
01:01:25.440 --> 01:01:30.199
No, oh, no, MESSI
no making a mess with big About

814
01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:36.239
a big Harry cow named Johnny?
You got a Harry cow named Johnny,

815
01:01:36.519 --> 01:01:39.679
big Harry highland named Johnny. Don't
I tell a mother, don't deliver Johnny.

816
01:01:39.760 --> 01:01:44.280
He's got some Johnnies home, john
That's some Johnny's. So this is

817
01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:47.800
a education for your for your boys, Oh yes, yes, for my

818
01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:52.639
for my kids. How many eggs
you can live alone in that farm?

819
01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:57.159
Forever? Water? There? There's
yeah, there's their fish whatever you know,

820
01:01:57.800 --> 01:02:01.039
chickens playing egg guns, it's right, ducks, you know every all

821
01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:04.960
of that kind of stuff. I
gotta tell you. We have two of

822
01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:09.480
the two of the females. The
heifers are in standing what's called standing heat,

823
01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:15.400
okay, And what that means is
that while we're standing around most the

824
01:02:16.119 --> 01:02:21.559
the other not only are the bulls
trying to mount them, but the heifers

825
01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:27.920
are trying to mount them as well. Act he got twenty four hours to

826
01:02:28.039 --> 01:02:31.400
get for them to get impregnated,
so dying thirty. The other night,

827
01:02:31.480 --> 01:02:35.679
the Vet comes over. My wife
had bought a couple of straws a bull

828
01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:38.599
semen and it was frozen, and
they bring over the cut They bring over

829
01:02:38.679 --> 01:02:44.400
this container. Okay, and the
Vet puts on a glove that goes up

830
01:02:44.480 --> 01:02:50.639
above his elbows. He puts it
all the way up the canal until to

831
01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:54.280
pass the elbow, and then he
slips the straw in while stretched out and

832
01:02:54.480 --> 01:03:00.760
releases the semen into the into the
cat. You know what, that was

833
01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:04.480
not a vent. That was Mike
Rowe of the Dirty Jobs. That's who

834
01:03:04.559 --> 01:03:08.920
that was dirty. The Dirty Job
Show came to you. Yeah ninety nine

835
01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:15.239
half that half hers a halfer or
mayor whatever. It's well to have.

836
01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:20.519
Now we hope she. We hope
it takes standing in heat like Sarah atanding

837
01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:23.239
and heat. Yes, all right, Chip, thank you for your state

838
01:03:23.360 --> 01:03:28.920
visit. Tomorrow one thirty, Justice
Joe will be here. Say hello to

839
01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:30.800
Joe for me. Well, we
don't talk to him anymore. He's above

840
01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:35.000
us. Okay, segment give me
out of the sec He has to be

841
01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:37.159
in the next studio. We can't
even be in the bree studio with him.

842
01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:42.880
Oh my goodness, Willie, an
honor of chip Hart and a cow

843
01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:47.360
and heat. We leave you with
the immortal words of the student Report.

844
01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:58.360
U NA will be the thirty second
free standing have free thirty three thirty two

845
01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:04.719
free standing members standing together to defend
our people on our territory. That's our

846
01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:10.320
leader. Take me to your leader. We're in trouble. I'm embarrassed.

847
01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:14.239
Thank you. Give my best to
Vicky. I will make a visit this

848
01:04:14.320 --> 01:04:16.440
summer and say hello to Johnny will
I will wait, I will make a

849
01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:20.760
visit. I will. We'll save
a straw for you to insert in one

850
01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:26.679
of the heifers. Okay, save
that kind. I gotta see Continue with

851
01:04:26.840 --> 01:04:32.000
more Bill Cunningham, News Radio seven
hundred WW Sports fans in Ohio. No,

852
01:04:32.119 --> 01:04:35.599
that nothing beats, and it's about
the One of the most horrible things

853
01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:41.679
happening in the world today is the
sexual exploitation of children. May the darkest,

854
01:04:41.760 --> 01:04:45.039
deepest recesses of hell be reserved for
those in that particular line of work.

855
01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:49.480
And I think so much of that
is happening now because of cross border

856
01:04:49.880 --> 01:04:57.079
crossings of children. Many times the
person being exploited must pay with body or

857
01:04:57.159 --> 01:05:00.320
with labor in some sense or another, and it is disgusting. And I

858
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:04.920
had thought that ninety nine point nine
nine percent of us understand this, But

859
01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:09.880
there's a little bit of a pushback
happening about maybe this is not real,

860
01:05:10.039 --> 01:05:14.320
maybe it's a conspiracy theory. God
knows what. But to Hailey McNamara is

861
01:05:14.320 --> 01:05:17.840
the vice president of the National Center
Sexual Exploitation. They've been doing this work

862
01:05:17.880 --> 01:05:21.360
for about the last sixty years.
Hailey McNamara, welcome, I think for

863
01:05:21.440 --> 01:05:25.960
the first time to the Bill Cunningham
Show. And Haley. First of all,

864
01:05:26.039 --> 01:05:30.280
what impact has this movie head on
the awareness of individuals that are being

865
01:05:30.360 --> 01:05:33.440
sexually exploited to the tune literally of
millions around the world. But has this

866
01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:38.800
movie been an impetus or has it
always been there? You know, this

867
01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:44.480
issue unfortunately has existed probably since the
dawn of time. But it definitely is

868
01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:48.679
sparking interest and awareness, which is
always a really good thing. And I'm

869
01:05:48.760 --> 01:05:53.840
heartened by the number of people who
are seeing this movie and then saying they

870
01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:57.519
want to learn more and they want
to do something about it is the cross

871
01:05:57.599 --> 01:06:00.400
border situation, not just in a
mirror, but really all over the world,

872
01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:04.880
especially in Europe and elsewhere. Is
that an impetus for more children being

873
01:06:04.960 --> 01:06:11.760
sexually abused because of what's happening on
our southern border. Yes, unfortunately.

874
01:06:12.039 --> 01:06:15.480
You know, sex traffickers and abusers
of any kind will always target a vulnerable

875
01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:20.719
population. And so we see that
this happens, you know, internationally at

876
01:06:20.800 --> 01:06:27.880
border crossings, but it also happens
domestically in America as well, often online

877
01:06:28.119 --> 01:06:31.840
grooming of children, and so yeah, so it definitely happens across borders,

878
01:06:31.880 --> 01:06:36.239
but it also happens even within our
own communities. Sometimes even children that go

879
01:06:36.360 --> 01:06:41.079
to school and sleep in their own
beds at night and their parents don't realize

880
01:06:41.119 --> 01:06:45.079
that they're still being sexually exploited.
It's in the suburbs. Can you explain,

881
01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:47.000
First of all, give us a
definition of sex traffic, and then

882
01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:50.199
I want to talk about in the
suburbs. If you're in Austin, Texas,

883
01:06:50.280 --> 01:06:55.320
Cincinnati, Ohio, Chicago, it
could be happening next door to in

884
01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:59.360
your next department, next house.
But what is sex trafficking. So,

885
01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:04.840
sex trafficking is any kind of commercialized
sex act that's induced by force or fraud

886
01:07:05.039 --> 01:07:10.639
or coercion. People often think about
force, maybe the movie Taken someone being

887
01:07:11.119 --> 01:07:15.119
kidnapped and held in chains. Unfortunately, that can happen and does happen.

888
01:07:15.280 --> 01:07:20.559
But one of the primary ways in
America that sex trafficking is in force is

889
01:07:20.559 --> 01:07:26.480
through psychological coercion, whether with children
or adults. This can be grooming,

890
01:07:26.599 --> 01:07:30.800
building a relationship, building trust,
and slowly escalating abuse until it gets to

891
01:07:30.920 --> 01:07:35.280
a point of sex trafficking. So
yeah, So, like I said,

892
01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:42.400
unfortunately this happens all across America,
in small rural communities and in large cities

893
01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:47.480
as well. Very often it's online
grooming on places like Instagram or even video

894
01:07:47.559 --> 01:07:54.000
games that are child centric, like
roadblocks and other places, and so it's

895
01:07:54.239 --> 01:07:58.440
something that everyone definitely needs to be
aware of and engaged on. Haley mcmall,

896
01:07:58.519 --> 01:08:00.719
Let's take us through a typical sarcumstance. All of them are outrageous.

897
01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:04.840
Let's say there's a mother and two
little girls, or a mother and a

898
01:08:04.920 --> 01:08:10.760
boy and a girl making their way
from El Salvador and they walk through Mexico.

899
01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:14.559
How does the grooming, how does
the process, how does the selling

900
01:08:14.599 --> 01:08:19.319
of those children begin, So all
of sex trafficking, all of the money

901
01:08:19.600 --> 01:08:25.119
comes into this because of people who
are willing to purchase someone for sex.

902
01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:30.880
So that's the market that the sex
traffickers are using. So they'll find someone

903
01:08:30.960 --> 01:08:33.000
for vulnerability. So in the case
of a border, it's might be someone

904
01:08:33.039 --> 01:08:38.239
who's trying to cross and meets assistance
and then they're told, you know that

905
01:08:38.359 --> 01:08:43.079
this is that by allowing people to
buy purchase them is a way that they'll

906
01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:47.479
get a passage, or they might
have a debt that is incurred and they're

907
01:08:47.479 --> 01:08:50.479
told this is the way to work
off their debt, or you know,

908
01:08:50.600 --> 01:08:56.000
domestically, this might be a person
who believes that they're in a romantic relationship

909
01:08:56.319 --> 01:09:00.279
with the trafficker who says that,
you know, by allowing someone to buy

910
01:09:00.359 --> 01:09:05.359
them is the way to make money
for them to maybe run away or what

911
01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:09.760
have you. Of course, this
is also such a big problem for homeless

912
01:09:09.840 --> 01:09:15.039
youth as well, so there's always
kind of an extortion based on a vulnerability.

913
01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:19.359
But I think it's really important that
we recognize that it's the sex buyers

914
01:09:19.399 --> 01:09:23.880
who really are as a root cause
of all sex trafficking. You know,

915
01:09:23.920 --> 01:09:28.319
if people didn't buy sex and sex
trafficking would disappear overnight, and as far

916
01:09:28.439 --> 01:09:31.720
as the long term impact, if
you're a seven, eight, nine,

917
01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:35.439
ten year old girl or a boy, it happens to both genders, and

918
01:09:35.640 --> 01:09:39.960
you find yourself trapped in this world, you look toward your mother or your

919
01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:45.279
father for protection and for guidance.
And when that wall of trust is broken

920
01:09:45.359 --> 01:09:48.319
down because the mother or the father
or the person you're with has said you

921
01:09:48.760 --> 01:09:51.159
go with that man over there and
do what he tells you to do,

922
01:09:53.319 --> 01:09:57.239
how does how does a child process
that? How does a child look at

923
01:09:57.279 --> 01:10:00.800
that and say, a child doesn't
even know I can get out of that?

924
01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:04.279
But what impact does that have on
the child's life immediately? Yeah,

925
01:10:04.359 --> 01:10:10.079
the trauma is really i mean almost
unmeasurable. So of course, you know,

926
01:10:11.600 --> 01:10:15.159
trust, the ability to trust is
greatly damage. Of course there's physical

927
01:10:15.319 --> 01:10:21.319
damage and trauma and also psychological trauma. You know, severe mental health impacts

928
01:10:21.399 --> 01:10:27.199
have been noted in survivors of sex
trafficking, you know, leading to struggling

929
01:10:27.279 --> 01:10:31.359
sometimes lifelong with depression or substance abuse
issues as well, which is why you

930
01:10:31.439 --> 01:10:40.800
know, really donating to or supporting
volunteering with exit services and recovery services mental

931
01:10:40.840 --> 01:10:45.800
health programs for survivors is so key
because yes, it's it's just an untold

932
01:10:45.800 --> 01:10:50.319
amount of trauma as we sit here
now, do you have some number as

933
01:10:50.399 --> 01:10:56.960
the number of children in the United
States of America being sexually trafficked at this

934
01:10:57.119 --> 01:11:01.520
point? Are we talking thousands,
hundreds of thousands more? I would say

935
01:11:01.520 --> 01:11:04.520
at least hundreds of thousands. You
know, the numbers on these things are

936
01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:09.840
really difficult because this is a crime
that happens in the shadows, and most

937
01:11:09.880 --> 01:11:14.640
of sex trafficking doesn't get reported.
You know, sometimes we think that every

938
01:11:14.680 --> 01:11:18.439
sex trafficking victim would identify themselves as
such, but typically they are, you

939
01:11:18.520 --> 01:11:24.600
know, in psychological chains and don't
even recognize that they're being exploited while it's

940
01:11:24.640 --> 01:11:28.960
happening. So it's it's very difficult
to get a strong number. But we

941
01:11:29.119 --> 01:11:35.880
do know that the majority, large
percentage of youth online around a third or

942
01:11:36.079 --> 01:11:43.960
a fourth, do experience some kind
of sexual overtone from adults online, whether

943
01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:49.079
that's sexualized comment, a direct message
trying to initiate a relationship. Obviously,

944
01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:54.800
not all of those are onboarding to
sex trafficking, but we do see that

945
01:11:54.920 --> 01:12:01.000
there's a large amount of grooming and
potential abuse that contacting children online and for

946
01:12:01.159 --> 01:12:06.000
some that could escalate to sex trafficking
is what we've seen in Sound of Freedom,

947
01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:13.760
the number one movie of this summer. That is that a real depiction

948
01:12:13.840 --> 01:12:18.760
of what occurs. Yeah, Unfortunately, it's true that there are you know,

949
01:12:18.840 --> 01:12:27.720
around the world, brothels and massage
parlors and strip clubs where minors are

950
01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:34.039
sexually exploited. I would say that
in America that does happen. Absolutely it

951
01:12:34.159 --> 01:12:36.800
does. But also, like I
had said, a lot of it is

952
01:12:36.880 --> 01:12:45.159
facilitated online, and even recording of
child sexual abuse being uploaded to mainstream pornography

953
01:12:45.279 --> 01:12:48.760
sites and social media is a real
epidemic right now. So I would say

954
01:12:48.800 --> 01:12:57.760
it looks somewhat different u in scale
on internationally versus domestically, but the issue

955
01:12:57.960 --> 01:13:01.199
is very much still the same and
is really real if you're a mother,

956
01:13:01.279 --> 01:13:06.279
a father, if you're an adult. Many times are antennants are not up

957
01:13:06.359 --> 01:13:11.279
on this kind of an issue.
I know airlines and flight attendants are watching

958
01:13:11.399 --> 01:13:15.119
for this kind of stuff, but
this is happening in suburbs, it's happening

959
01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:17.880
next door, It's happening constantly.
What are some of the cues are the

960
01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:25.399
keys that someone who wants to help
can actually observe and see definitely, So

961
01:13:25.520 --> 01:13:30.479
I would say do some research on
the signs of sex trafficking. This could

962
01:13:30.520 --> 01:13:33.680
look a lot of different ways depending
on your context, and there are national

963
01:13:33.800 --> 01:13:39.840
hotlines that you can report any suspected
signs of sex trafficking too, but especially

964
01:13:39.920 --> 01:13:45.039
even for within your own community among
children, especially if you see real changes

965
01:13:45.079 --> 01:13:50.079
in behavior, maybe a kid suddenly
acting out, a kid who's maybe scared

966
01:13:50.279 --> 01:13:57.439
to go to sleep, or maybe
regressing things like wedding the bed or there's

967
01:13:57.479 --> 01:14:00.560
a number of different signs you can
look for in children that you know in

968
01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:03.800
your own life, and even just
crushing your own gut. If something seems

969
01:14:03.880 --> 01:14:09.479
off, it's good to ask questions
and if there's a concern to report it

970
01:14:09.600 --> 01:14:15.119
or contact additional support to assess the
situation, and it's a really important thing

971
01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:18.840
to do it happens. Also,
I've done topics on this before where a

972
01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:25.520
teenage boy or a girl gets into
a situation with a trafficker that does not

973
01:14:25.720 --> 01:14:29.439
know it's a trafficker when it's going
on, and pictures are taken, are

974
01:14:29.520 --> 01:14:33.159
shared and then extortion takes place.
So if you live in a fine suburban

975
01:14:33.239 --> 01:14:36.399
community, and you have a vulnerable
child, a boy or a girl.

976
01:14:36.560 --> 01:14:42.159
Explain the process of how traffickers get
into the minds of children and then turn

977
01:14:42.239 --> 01:14:48.840
them for profit. Absolutely, so, unfortunately, every child online is vulnerable

978
01:14:48.880 --> 01:14:53.359
to these things. I think people
will often assume, even thinking of their

979
01:14:53.399 --> 01:14:57.199
own family as well, my child
comes from a stable and loving family,

980
01:14:57.560 --> 01:15:00.359
they will be fine. This is
an issue for other people. But unfortunately,

981
01:15:00.439 --> 01:15:04.920
with the Internet, every child is
vulnerable. So and a predator might

982
01:15:05.399 --> 01:15:10.279
reach out initiate a relationship. They
might even be known to the victim,

983
01:15:10.720 --> 01:15:13.920
or claim to go to their school, claim to be a friend of a

984
01:15:14.039 --> 01:15:16.600
friend. So in the child's mind, they don't think to tell their parents

985
01:15:16.640 --> 01:15:20.199
that they're talking to a stranger online. They think they're talking to someone that

986
01:15:20.319 --> 01:15:26.119
they know. And then and then
there really is a process of gaining that

987
01:15:26.239 --> 01:15:29.600
child's trust, and very often,
like you said, it will escalate to

988
01:15:29.640 --> 01:15:34.199
asking for sexual images, and then
those images can be used to extort either

989
01:15:34.319 --> 01:15:39.920
for the creation of more images,
sometimes more extreme, or to even meet

990
01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:45.600
in real life for sexual abuse or
sex trafficking. And this kind of dynamic

991
01:15:45.920 --> 01:15:49.520
doesn't even only happen to children that
happens to adults as well, and I'm

992
01:15:49.560 --> 01:15:56.720
sure your listeners are familiar with the
terms like revenge pornography or the non consensual

993
01:15:56.880 --> 01:16:00.760
sharing of explicit images, which is
often is to extore or keep someone in

994
01:16:00.840 --> 01:16:05.960
an abusive relationship as well. So
if you or someone that you know has

995
01:16:06.119 --> 01:16:10.960
dealt with this, if they're a
minor, I would recommend going to the

996
01:16:11.119 --> 01:16:15.560
National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, and they have an entire program that

997
01:16:15.720 --> 01:16:24.720
helps removed images of children online and
to get you connected with law enforcements.

998
01:16:24.840 --> 01:16:28.840
That's the National Center on Missing and
Exploited Children. And if you're an adult

999
01:16:28.920 --> 01:16:32.840
who's experienced your images being shared online, I would recommend the Cyber Civil Rights

1000
01:16:32.960 --> 01:16:38.520
Initiative, and they also have a
lot of persons for how to get images

1001
01:16:38.600 --> 01:16:43.880
removed and how to involve law enforcement
if needed. Haley mcmarrion in United States

1002
01:16:43.880 --> 01:16:46.359
of America, I think ninety nine
point nine percent of us consider this to

1003
01:16:46.479 --> 01:16:53.039
be a representation of absolute evil.
But there are some movements of groups who

1004
01:16:53.119 --> 01:16:57.680
contend that that a child, even
a teenager, has the right to determine

1005
01:16:58.039 --> 01:17:01.239
to have sex with an adult.
And we did that topic about ten years

1006
01:17:01.279 --> 01:17:03.720
ago, and I cut off in
the middle. I said, that's it.

1007
01:17:03.840 --> 01:17:08.520
We're not going to do that anymore. And isn't there a movement or

1008
01:17:08.640 --> 01:17:12.159
an idea that if you're if you're
a child, but that I mean seven,

1009
01:17:12.199 --> 01:17:15.600
eight, nine, ten years old
or a teenager sixteen or seventeen,

1010
01:17:15.920 --> 01:17:20.079
you should have the right to have
sex with an adult. Yeah, Unfortunately,

1011
01:17:20.199 --> 01:17:26.920
there is a real normalization of that
concept that's happening, and so it's

1012
01:17:26.960 --> 01:17:31.239
really important for us all to be
vocal and strong about recognizing that that is

1013
01:17:31.399 --> 01:17:36.199
child sexual abuse, and especially if
there is the commercialized element. You know,

1014
01:17:36.319 --> 01:17:42.239
under federal law, any kind of
commercialized sex act involving a minor is

1015
01:17:42.279 --> 01:17:46.199
by definition sex trafficking, even if
that minor quote unquote agreed to it.

1016
01:17:46.439 --> 01:17:49.920
Right, So it's really important for
us to know the laws on these matters

1017
01:17:50.000 --> 01:17:55.960
and to speak out against normalization of
child sexual abuse. Well, in this

1018
01:17:56.119 --> 01:18:00.760
hit movie, of Course, the
star Jim Cavezel plays a part of a

1019
01:18:00.239 --> 01:18:06.399
government employee who becomes enraged at what
he sees observing. In certain parts of

1020
01:18:06.479 --> 01:18:11.640
the world, this is acceptable.
For example, in Asia, Africa,

1021
01:18:11.800 --> 01:18:15.520
India, it is not that unusual
for moms and dads to sell their children

1022
01:18:15.800 --> 01:18:21.560
am I correct about then, yeah, and unfortunately that's happening in America as

1023
01:18:21.640 --> 01:18:27.319
well of adults, even from them
selling their children or allowing sexual abuse to

1024
01:18:27.439 --> 01:18:30.439
happen to their children. So this
is, you know, this is a

1025
01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:33.720
worldwide epidemic, and it's something that's
a really dark topic. So people often

1026
01:18:33.880 --> 01:18:39.279
feel like there's nothing that they can
do, but there really is so much

1027
01:18:39.359 --> 01:18:42.960
that can be done. So of
course, you know, we've talked about

1028
01:18:43.680 --> 01:18:50.000
investing in aftercare services, volunteering,
knowing the signs yourself and being such an

1029
01:18:50.039 --> 01:18:55.600
important part. But we also have
a campaign called the Dirty dozen List,

1030
01:18:55.680 --> 01:19:00.720
where we named twelve mainstream companies that
contribute to sexual exploiting. And many of

1031
01:19:00.800 --> 01:19:08.560
those are online platforms that contribute to
sex trafficking, such as Instagram, roblocks,

1032
01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:15.199
Twitter and others that people don't really
realize there's grooming happening. There's facilitation

1033
01:19:15.279 --> 01:19:18.479
of advertisements for sex trafficking happening there. And if you go to dirty dozen

1034
01:19:18.560 --> 01:19:23.680
less dot com you can take action
in really tangible ways. You can email

1035
01:19:23.760 --> 01:19:28.279
the executives at these companies, and
we've seen progress happen. TikTok, for

1036
01:19:28.359 --> 01:19:33.199
example, has made it so that
adult strangers cannot direct message miners anymore on

1037
01:19:33.319 --> 01:19:38.840
their platform. This is so common
sense and there's much more progress that needs

1038
01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:42.600
to happen. But I would be
I would want to encourage people that while

1039
01:19:42.640 --> 01:19:46.479
this is it's quite a dark issue, and it is an epidemic around the

1040
01:19:46.600 --> 01:19:50.960
world and within America as well,
but there are steps that we can take

1041
01:19:51.039 --> 01:19:56.319
to try to prevent some of this
harm from happening. And Handling McNamara,

1042
01:19:56.439 --> 01:20:00.039
you've been at this, your group
has for about sixty years. But of

1043
01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:01.640
the sense things are getting worse,
not getting better, is that fair?

1044
01:20:03.800 --> 01:20:08.720
I think that that's true, especially
with the rise of the Internet. You

1045
01:20:08.800 --> 01:20:12.760
know, it's just made anyone who
has an inclination to abuse another person have

1046
01:20:13.000 --> 01:20:17.479
easy access to vulnerable people. So
I think that's why we really focus on

1047
01:20:18.079 --> 01:20:25.359
kind of mass scale prevention is what
we want to enact. We will always

1048
01:20:25.680 --> 01:20:30.159
need exit services for people who've been
victimized, but if we can prevent a

1049
01:20:30.319 --> 01:20:35.000
number of people, especially children,
for being contacted by exploiters in the first

1050
01:20:35.079 --> 01:20:41.680
place, that can just prevent so
much untold trauma. So that's a large

1051
01:20:41.760 --> 01:20:46.000
part of what our organizations working to
do, both with corporate policy, legislation

1052
01:20:46.479 --> 01:20:50.840
and also litigation on behalf of Survivors. I'm looking at the headline of USA

1053
01:20:51.000 --> 01:20:58.079
Today the newspaper. It says why
Sound of Freedom, Jim Caveasl's controversial child

1054
01:20:58.199 --> 01:21:01.800
sex trafficking film is a hit,
and I don't think it's controversial. I

1055
01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:08.199
would hope we're divided politically among so
many areas of life, but I would

1056
01:21:08.279 --> 01:21:14.479
hope that the exploitation of the most
innocent among us is such an issue that

1057
01:21:14.640 --> 01:21:17.560
it's not controversial. It must be
stopped. Those who are involved in it

1058
01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:23.560
must be stopped, and men and
some women, mainly it's men involved in

1059
01:21:23.640 --> 01:21:28.479
this trade have got to stop buying
children once again. Dirty dozenlist dot com

1060
01:21:28.720 --> 01:21:32.479
is out of sight, and what's
another website? If someone suspects somehow the

1061
01:21:32.720 --> 01:21:40.079
child's being exploited for sexual purposes,
I would go to the National Human Trafficking

1062
01:21:40.159 --> 01:21:44.319
Hotline, and there's a number you
can text for calling. They also have

1063
01:21:44.439 --> 01:21:48.079
a website. All right, Hailey
McNamara, Vice President, National Center of

1064
01:21:48.159 --> 01:21:53.680
Sexual Exportation of Children, thank you
for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.

1065
01:21:53.720 --> 01:21:57.520
I'm glad this movie is out.
I would encourage everyone to see this movie.

1066
01:21:58.159 --> 01:22:00.479
It's one of those things you have
to understand what's happening, and this

1067
01:22:00.720 --> 01:22:04.920
all around us constantly. We must
act as one. And Haley McNamara once

1068
01:22:04.960 --> 01:22:09.079
again, thank you for coming on
the Bill Cunningham Show, and good luck

1069
01:22:09.119 --> 01:22:12.399
on all your ventures. Thank you, Haley, thank you. All right,

1070
01:22:12.479 --> 01:22:15.520
let's continue the the line becomes available
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1072
01:22:19.039 --> 01:22:24.279
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1076
01:22:38.239 --> 01:22:41.840
years ago had the worst team on
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1077
01:22:41.880 --> 01:22:45.840
team in the Major League Soccer.
Plus Messi is coming to town. A

1078
01:22:45.039 --> 01:22:50.319
year or so ago, Xavier won
the n I. Now continue to do

1079
01:22:50.439 --> 01:22:55.640
great things in the Big East and
the Big twelve. Welcomes you see and

1080
01:22:55.800 --> 01:22:59.479
one of the clogs in that wheel
is going to be a core Xavier Basketball

1081
01:22:59.479 --> 01:23:02.680
and Sean Sean Miller, welcome again
to the Bill Cunningham Show. And Sean,

1082
01:23:02.800 --> 01:23:05.600
rather than talk about xs and os, I like to wax with you

1083
01:23:05.720 --> 01:23:12.920
philosophical. May I do that.
I'm happy to be on go right ahead,

1084
01:23:13.279 --> 01:23:17.199
all right now. When I look
at the nil issue, Xavier is

1085
01:23:17.359 --> 01:23:23.239
uniquely positioned in certain ways and not
in great positions in other ways. I

1086
01:23:23.399 --> 01:23:26.960
spoke to a noted coach on the
West Coast who you know, who told

1087
01:23:27.039 --> 01:23:30.920
me for some players, the bidding
starts about a quarter of a million dollars

1088
01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:33.640
to get some McDonald all American talent, and it goes up from there.

1089
01:23:34.119 --> 01:23:38.279
And I would ask if Xavier,
which is in the Big East, and

1090
01:23:38.359 --> 01:23:43.800
I think the best representative of Big
East basketball is Zavier. You might want

1091
01:23:43.800 --> 01:23:48.119
to throw in Villanova, but Xavier
and also Connecticut good representatives. Can Xavier

1092
01:23:48.319 --> 01:23:55.760
compete in an environment or some of
the big ten ACC schools SEC schools are

1093
01:23:55.880 --> 01:24:00.479
paying literally hundreds of thousands of dollars. Can Xavier compete in that environment?

1094
01:24:01.760 --> 01:24:06.279
Yeah, Bill for sure. And
you know, I think there's there's really

1095
01:24:06.319 --> 01:24:10.399
a rule of thumb for us in
terms of our approach to recruiting, and

1096
01:24:10.479 --> 01:24:15.520
that is this. It's it's like
a ninety ten rule. Ninety percent of

1097
01:24:15.600 --> 01:24:18.680
a young person's decision on whether they're
gonna come and be a part of our

1098
01:24:18.720 --> 01:24:25.079
program here at Xavier or not.
That ninety percent hasn't changed, Right,

1099
01:24:25.159 --> 01:24:28.680
they're gonna say we want to be
a part of the small campus at Jesuit

1100
01:24:28.800 --> 01:24:32.840
School. You know, a program
that's had America's number one graduation rate for

1101
01:24:32.960 --> 01:24:36.840
about thirty years. You know the
city of Cincinnati where you have the best

1102
01:24:36.880 --> 01:24:42.039
of both worlds. You have the
private setting right on the fringe of a

1103
01:24:42.159 --> 01:24:45.760
great city, a pro city,
the big East cost, the style of

1104
01:24:45.960 --> 01:24:48.760
play, and I can keep on
on and on. You know a head

1105
01:24:48.800 --> 01:24:53.359
coach who as a track record,
etc. Wanting to be a part of

1106
01:24:53.439 --> 01:24:58.920
a program that's in the Ncuba tournament. That ninety percent has to be the

1107
01:24:59.000 --> 01:25:02.840
same. Then I think it's up
to us as a as a program and

1108
01:25:02.920 --> 01:25:08.760
a university to recognize that there is
a different ten percent and that is name,

1109
01:25:08.800 --> 01:25:12.199
image and likeness, And we have
to have a plan, We have

1110
01:25:12.279 --> 01:25:15.960
to take it serious, and we
have to be able to treat our players.

1111
01:25:16.079 --> 01:25:19.520
Right. If a young person,
you know, isn't isn't kind of

1112
01:25:19.600 --> 01:25:24.840
wired to that ninety ten. So
let's just say they're looking for the most

1113
01:25:24.920 --> 01:25:29.279
amount of money, we're not going
to get them. And I would also

1114
01:25:29.399 --> 01:25:32.840
say that you know, this is
young and new, this name, image

1115
01:25:32.840 --> 01:25:38.079
and likeness. We haven't seen multiple
seasons of it already. But I think

1116
01:25:38.119 --> 01:25:40.960
a lot of the players that are
going to make their decision for that reason,

1117
01:25:41.640 --> 01:25:45.439
I think their time at that university
would be short, short lived.

1118
01:25:45.520 --> 01:25:48.119
And I'm not so sure that that's
the you know, the fabric, the

1119
01:25:48.239 --> 01:25:53.000
culture, in the winning environment we
want to create. So, you know,

1120
01:25:53.079 --> 01:25:55.560
the ninety ten, you know,
there's always going to be players that

1121
01:25:55.600 --> 01:25:59.279
we can't get Bill, But I
think as long as we keep dealing with

1122
01:25:59.479 --> 01:26:02.199
the family, he's the high school
coaches, either travel team coaches, and

1123
01:26:02.239 --> 01:26:08.600
the young people that are really about
that, I believe that the program we

1124
01:26:08.760 --> 01:26:12.119
have will allow us to be successful. I look at it this way.

1125
01:26:12.199 --> 01:26:16.600
Kolbe Jones pretty good player. I
think it got eight million dollars to sign

1126
01:26:16.680 --> 01:26:21.239
in the NBA. David West came
through Xavier. I think West played ten

1127
01:26:21.319 --> 01:26:26.479
to twelve years, had some NBA
rings. Byron Larkin, I think he's

1128
01:26:26.560 --> 01:26:30.399
on my all time Xavier team along
with Brian Grant played in the NBA and

1129
01:26:30.479 --> 01:26:35.039
also Tyrone Hill, Romaine Soto and
so if you want to come to if

1130
01:26:35.079 --> 01:26:38.760
some player comes up to you and
say, you know, Coach Miller,

1131
01:26:39.159 --> 01:26:42.800
I need an extra two hundred thousand
dollars to go to Xavier. You're likely

1132
01:26:42.880 --> 01:26:46.600
to say this isn't the place for
you. It's just not going to work.

1133
01:26:46.680 --> 01:26:50.720
But you actually the ninety ten that
I talked about, right, you

1134
01:26:50.840 --> 01:26:56.319
actually explained it through your analogy,
and that is if you make your college

1135
01:26:56.359 --> 01:26:59.920
decision for all the right factors.
You know, the name, image and

1136
01:27:00.079 --> 01:27:02.319
likeness is just a small part of
it. You know, really what you're

1137
01:27:02.359 --> 01:27:05.560
signing up for is the next twenty
or thirty years of your life. And

1138
01:27:05.640 --> 01:27:10.159
if you get that the college decision
right, like a lot of young people

1139
01:27:10.279 --> 01:27:12.960
have, you know, where they're
going to make the most money and have

1140
01:27:13.119 --> 01:27:17.199
the best life is they're going to
become a version of Kobe Jones and Kobe's

1141
01:27:17.279 --> 01:27:21.239
next ten twenty years. You know, that's really what you're signing up for,

1142
01:27:21.479 --> 01:27:25.840
right, the development while you're in
college. And and Bill I would

1143
01:27:25.880 --> 01:27:30.199
say this, that's something that hasn't
changed regardless of where you go, and

1144
01:27:30.359 --> 01:27:33.800
for whatever reason you chose that program. You have to develop. None of

1145
01:27:33.840 --> 01:27:36.840
these guys can do it alone,
right, you know, part of going

1146
01:27:36.880 --> 01:27:41.119
to colleges you grow up, you
learn to solve problems, you get an

1147
01:27:41.239 --> 01:27:44.960
education, you get bigger and stronger. You know, the sport did you

1148
01:27:45.079 --> 01:27:48.000
play? You know, you start
to learn it and you start to become

1149
01:27:48.199 --> 01:27:53.920
smarter, and you grow with experience
that none of that has changed. And

1150
01:27:54.279 --> 01:27:58.760
uh, and I think that getting
the right reasons right allows you to have

1151
01:27:58.880 --> 01:28:01.800
the best life after college. And
those are really the that's the audience we're

1152
01:28:01.880 --> 01:28:05.600
targeting. Sean Miller. I can
recall you playing guard for Pittsburgh, the

1153
01:28:05.720 --> 01:28:11.960
Panthers obviously at the Cincinnati Gardens rooting
against you like crazy. And at that

1154
01:28:12.159 --> 01:28:15.039
point, if somebody would have come
up to you as a starting guard and

1155
01:28:15.199 --> 01:28:17.279
said, hey, we're gonna pay
you fifteen or twenty thousand dollars to play

1156
01:28:17.359 --> 01:28:20.000
guard, you would have said,
what are you talking about? Can you

1157
01:28:20.159 --> 01:28:25.079
imagine the way the world has changed. It used to be if some kid

1158
01:28:25.199 --> 01:28:30.439
got tattoos and exchanged for a basketball
jersey, he was suspended. On the

1159
01:28:30.520 --> 01:28:34.039
other hand, now some kids are
getting a hundred thousand dollars to play basketball

1160
01:28:34.039 --> 01:28:39.880
at Xavier. Could you have seen
that change that and it happened rapidly?

1161
01:28:40.159 --> 01:28:45.720
What the hell happened at college basketball? Yeah? You know the way that

1162
01:28:45.800 --> 01:28:48.760
I look at it is no matter
what industry you're in, including your own

1163
01:28:48.960 --> 01:28:55.800
industry that you have, It's just
the world evolves and grows and changes and

1164
01:28:55.920 --> 01:28:59.880
adapts, and you have to be
evolved and adapt with it. And look,

1165
01:29:00.279 --> 01:29:02.159
what once was is no longer.
There's no doubt about it. It's

1166
01:29:02.239 --> 01:29:06.760
it's certainly a different feel, and
everybody's trying to kind of get used to

1167
01:29:06.880 --> 01:29:12.439
it or strategize on how we all
can be successful in the new world that

1168
01:29:12.560 --> 01:29:15.720
we're in. But one thing is
it's just like no different than the phones

1169
01:29:15.760 --> 01:29:20.039
we have in our pockets. Like
twenty years ago you barely talked on the

1170
01:29:20.119 --> 01:29:25.479
phone, didn't have a cell phone, and you imagine now living your life

1171
01:29:25.680 --> 01:29:29.520
no without bone that you currently owned. So I think that some of it

1172
01:29:29.720 --> 01:29:33.119
is, you know, recognizing that
it's not just college basketball. It's changing.

1173
01:29:33.800 --> 01:29:38.399
Everything is changing, and it's up
to us to adapt and evolve.

1174
01:29:38.479 --> 01:29:42.479
And you know, you ask me
that question, that's our plan at Xavier,

1175
01:29:42.560 --> 01:29:45.279
and you know we're fortunate, Bill, and that you know on our

1176
01:29:45.359 --> 01:29:49.359
campus we don't have college football.
I can't imagine dealing with both college football

1177
01:29:49.399 --> 01:29:54.439
and college basketball and name, image
and likeness. I'm just the basketball coach

1178
01:29:54.520 --> 01:29:57.279
and you know, I think we
try to take advantage of that as well.

1179
01:29:57.520 --> 01:30:00.479
Now you have seven or eight or
nine kids. If you're a big

1180
01:30:00.560 --> 01:30:03.399
time football school, you might have
fifty sixty football players. Then you got

1181
01:30:03.439 --> 01:30:06.159
the girls softball team. They want
to be paid. And then you got

1182
01:30:06.239 --> 01:30:10.960
the baseball team. How can the
LSU And there was a story that LSU

1183
01:30:11.560 --> 01:30:16.840
baseball cost a million dollars for a
baseball pitcher at LSU. I'm thinking,

1184
01:30:16.880 --> 01:30:20.279
are you kidding me? Are you
kidding me? And that I said,

1185
01:30:20.800 --> 01:30:25.720
and the answer is no. They're
building the stadiums and at some point the

1186
01:30:25.960 --> 01:30:28.800
arms race has got to stop.
I don't know where it ends, but

1187
01:30:28.920 --> 01:30:31.560
a kid that goes to the Xavier
campus in this community, and you look

1188
01:30:31.600 --> 01:30:35.239
at what we got going on with
soccer and football and basketball and baseball.

1189
01:30:35.479 --> 01:30:39.920
You look at the southern shores of
Ohio, the great northern Kentucky. You

1190
01:30:40.039 --> 01:30:42.000
look a little bit to the west, you got in the end of the

1191
01:30:42.039 --> 01:30:45.920
Indianapolis five hundred. You look at
the Kentucky Derby. You look at Ohio

1192
01:30:45.000 --> 01:30:48.319
State football or you see football.
If that this is the place to be,

1193
01:30:48.960 --> 01:30:53.479
and I pray to God Sean Miller, you look nowhere else that I

1194
01:30:53.680 --> 01:30:58.079
was Xavier, the harbor, the
deep blue waters of Xavier basketball, to

1195
01:30:58.239 --> 01:31:00.119
be the last place that you go
to. You know what I'm saying,

1196
01:31:01.239 --> 01:31:04.000
Yeah, well, thank you.
I appreciate you saying that. I'm I'm

1197
01:31:04.119 --> 01:31:09.439
I'm both grateful to be back and
then really enjoying my time being back here.

1198
01:31:09.800 --> 01:31:13.479
And to your point, Bill,
sometimes when you leave this area,

1199
01:31:14.439 --> 01:31:17.000
not until you're in a different area
do you realize, you know, just

1200
01:31:17.439 --> 01:31:24.439
from a sports perspective, you know
so much greatness and opportunity here. You're

1201
01:31:24.560 --> 01:31:27.359
right, I mean, if you
just look in college basketball, and I

1202
01:31:27.520 --> 01:31:30.520
tried to explain this to people when
I when I didn't live in Cincinnati.

1203
01:31:30.960 --> 01:31:35.039
You know, on a typical weekend
in January, when you add up the

1204
01:31:35.199 --> 01:31:39.279
people that are going to be you
know, at at a Kentucky game,

1205
01:31:39.479 --> 01:31:45.199
Louisville game, you see game Dayton
Xavier, Indiana. If you add all

1206
01:31:45.239 --> 01:31:46.840
that up, I mean you start
to get into you know, hundreds of

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thousands of people at the same time
watching college basketball, all within a couple

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hour radius. And uh, it's
it's something that you can take for and

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something that I certainly won't take for
granted moving forward. It's right to be

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here involved in sports, and I'm
thrilled to be back at Z Well.

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I'm told you're a swifty and that
one week and we had Taylor Swift concert.

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We had one hundred and twenty five
thousand, we had the Reds with

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the Reds had about one hundred and
twenty five thousand, TQL had twenty five

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thousand. I'm told you had.
You're on the front row of Taylor Swift

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concert going nuts. Well, it's
not true. I will tell you that

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I went to the Cincinnati red game
and you know I have I'm second cousins

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with TJ. Friedl. I don't
know if you knew that. So t

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J. Friedel's grandfather who's passed away, was the brother of my grandmother who's

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also passed away. Her name was
was Freedl, and so yeah, I'm

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related to him. And you know
his story bills amazing and that he was

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a walk on at Nevada and you
think about leaving high school becoming a walk

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on baseball player at Nevada and then
here he is hitting leadoff for the Cincinnati

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Reds and doing an amazing job.
I mean, I don't know another analogy

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that can show you where he would
have been at eighteen years old and where

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he is today in life. We're
all very proud of him and U so

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I watched the Reds closely. Oh, that guard from Pittsburgh did pretty well

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too. But uh so the reports
of you being a swift, it may

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not be accurate. But there was
a picture floating around at you in the

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front row with a seed coin hat
on. But maybe that maybe that wasn't

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you. But Sean Miller, thanks
for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show,

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and with your permission, will do
it again. Thank you, Sean.

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Oh okay, thank you, thanks
for having me on. God bless America.

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