WEBVTT 1 00:00:22.239 --> 00:00:26.039 Kay if I am six forty years later with Mo Kelly, We're live everywhere 2 00:00:26.039 --> 00:00:30.480 in the iHeartRadio app. It was an emotional day to day. I need 3 00:00:30.519 --> 00:00:35.799 not tell you it was very emotional. I think America is going through some 4 00:00:35.840 --> 00:00:39.399 stuff right about now. In fact, America has been going through some stuff 5 00:00:39.439 --> 00:00:44.679 for quite some time and will continue to go through some stuff for the foreseeable 6 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:50.159 future. As you know, former President Donald Trump was convicted on thirty four 7 00:00:50.159 --> 00:00:56.479 felon accounts. Today, some folks are ecstatic, some folks are pretty mad, 8 00:00:56.840 --> 00:01:00.920 pissed off. Some people say the verdict is proof of the system working, 9 00:01:02.479 --> 00:01:06.400 and some people say the verdict proofs of the justice system is corrupt and 10 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:12.640 broken, And maybe you fall somewhere in between. New York didn't allow cameras 11 00:01:12.719 --> 00:01:15.560 or audio streams of its court proceedings, not just for this trial, for 12 00:01:15.640 --> 00:01:23.319 any trial. And because of that, whatever we heard or saw, and 13 00:01:23.359 --> 00:01:29.799 I put that in quotation marks any analysis. We got excerpts from court transcripts 14 00:01:30.159 --> 00:01:34.719 that was all filtered through whatever media you and I were watching or listening to. 15 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:38.959 We didn't actually see the trial. We didn't actually hear the trial. 16 00:01:40.400 --> 00:01:44.920 None of us experienced any of the testimony, not one witness. We didn't 17 00:01:45.159 --> 00:01:49.319 experience the opening and closing arguments. All of us were even privy to evidence 18 00:01:49.359 --> 00:01:53.920 and rulings made outside the presence of the jury. Thinks that the jury would 19 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:59.359 not have seen, would not have heard. All of us have feelings about 20 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:05.280 the verdict, and everyone on radio and TV has been telling you how they 21 00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:07.680 feel about the verdict. Well except for me, and I haven't said what 22 00:02:07.800 --> 00:02:10.400 I feel about the verdict, and I'm not going to, at least not 23 00:02:10.520 --> 00:02:13.639 yet. I think there's some other things we need to cover first. I 24 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:17.120 want to go a different route. The verdict, as a factual matter, 25 00:02:17.199 --> 00:02:23.360 is momentous in the history of this country. The first time a former president 26 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:27.919 has been indicted, put on criminal trial, and convicted. It is historic. 27 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:30.639 That's not an opinion, that's not a value judgment. That's just a 28 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:35.120 statement of fact. From where I sit, there are three threads I think 29 00:02:35.319 --> 00:02:38.159 we should follow, not just tonight, but in the coming days, in 30 00:02:38.199 --> 00:02:42.560 the coming weeks, and coming months. There are three threads, three roads, 31 00:02:42.599 --> 00:02:46.560 if you will, we should follow legal, political, social, legal, 32 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:53.439 political, and social. Let's first start with legal. Legally, Donald 33 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:58.479 Trump is a convicted felon full stop. He can, and he will appeal, 34 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:02.599 but he's a convicted felon and there are limits on what grounds in which 35 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:07.599 he can appeal. It's not a do over, it's not a retrial. 36 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:12.080 You can't just say, well, I thought the judge was biased and corrupt 37 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:15.400 and conflicted. No, that's not rounds for an appeal. There's got to 38 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:21.360 be some sort of error in the administration of the trial. You can appeal 39 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:27.240 on things like evidence which was allowed in, or testimony allowed in prejudicial versus 40 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:30.919 probative, things like that. But regardless of the appeals process, and that 41 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:38.039 will play out on its own, the justice system still moves forward. It's 42 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:42.439 not like they're gonna hold up sentencing to see what happens with the appeal. 43 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:47.080 Trump will still have to show up for sentencing. That clock does not stop, 44 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:53.080 and he'll be sentenced, ironically enough, just days before the RNC, 45 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:59.560 the Republican National Convention. Legally, he can still run for president and he's 46 00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:04.800 not gonna slow down. Legally, he can still become president. Legally, 47 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:13.039 he can still serve as president even from prison. Awkward, but legally he 48 00:04:13.080 --> 00:04:16.439 could do it. It's not clear on whether he'd be allowed to vote because 49 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:23.040 he's a Florida resident, and convicted felons can't vote in Florida until they complete 50 00:04:23.079 --> 00:04:28.680 their sentence. So going back to what happens at sentencing, that could include 51 00:04:29.439 --> 00:04:33.639 a suspended sentence or probation that could impact or preclude him from voting all together, 52 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:38.439 or have no impact at all. So that's something that remains to be 53 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:43.399 seen. That's a part of the legal evolution of all this. All right, 54 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:46.519 let's go to the political, because we all care about the political. 55 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:50.560 Politically, Donald Trump is going to continue to use all this as a fundraising 56 00:04:50.600 --> 00:04:55.319 tool and he's going to make millions and millions and millions and millions, and 57 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:58.240 most of it will go to legal fees. And there's nothing wrong with that, 58 00:04:58.319 --> 00:05:01.800 you know, political discussion, legal discussion not the same. But politically, 59 00:05:02.519 --> 00:05:06.279 that's how he's going to use it. Politically, it's going to be 60 00:05:06.319 --> 00:05:12.480 pretty complicated for the Republican Party because Republicans down ballot. I'm talking about people 61 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:15.360 who are running for state Senate, or they're running for Senate, or they're 62 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:20.839 running for Congress, or they're running for mayor same ballot, but down ballot 63 00:05:21.199 --> 00:05:27.079 they're going to have to either defend or distance themselves from Donald Trump. That's 64 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:30.519 easy to do if you're in a solid red state, but not so easy 65 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:33.360 if you're in a purple one or a purple district. Thirty four fellon in 66 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:36.040 convictions. It's just a fact. You don't have to like it, but 67 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:41.279 it is a fact. It's not the best way to recruit independent or moderate 68 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:44.439 voters. It's an uphill climb in that way. Just trust me. It's 69 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:47.519 not a plus. Politically, the GOP is going to have to make some 70 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:51.800 tough decisions. There's a presidential debate. Remember that it's in less than a 71 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:56.720 month. Less than a month. That's probably going to be a topic. 72 00:05:56.959 --> 00:05:59.759 I don't know how it's going to play out on that debate stage, but 73 00:05:59.879 --> 00:06:03.759 it's definitely going to be a question or answer on that debate stage. Don't 74 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:09.000 call me prophetic, just know it's coming. Let's talk about the social we 75 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:14.720 did the legal political. Here's the social Americans. We were already messed up 76 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:17.920 in the head, we were already uptight Americans, we were already extremely divided. 77 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:24.079 This doesn't bring us together. No debate there. This does not bring 78 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:28.480 us together. But the legal system was not designed to bring anyone together. 79 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:33.920 It exists independently. It adjudicates cases. It's not about kumbaya, it's not 80 00:06:33.959 --> 00:06:40.199 about bringing Americans together. But here's what I will say, And this is 81 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:45.279 the only feelings I'm going to give as of yet. You can't love America 82 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:51.519 only when you win. For all I hear about loving the Constitution, being 83 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:57.199 a patriot, I love America. You can't only love America when you win. 84 00:06:57.279 --> 00:07:00.879 By that, I mean an election. You can't love America only when 85 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:03.279 you like court verdicts. I mean those things don't intersect. That's like saying 86 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:08.839 I love my wife when she does what I tell her what to do. 87 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:14.079 That's not love, that's control. You can't only love America when it goes 88 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:20.759 your way. Think about that twelve jurors. They were unanimous. Maybe a 89 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:28.480 different twelve people would have yielded a different verdict. Maybe maybe that's why Voider 90 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:31.600 is so damn important. Different people you might have gotten a different verdict. 91 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:39.639 That's why elections and appointments of judges are so damn important. But you know 92 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:43.600 what, that's how our legal system works, our justice system. That's the 93 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:47.480 way it works. You don't get to tell people America love it or leave 94 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:51.720 it on Tuesday when your guy wins an election, but then say America has 95 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:56.639 gone to hell on Wednesday because you don't like the result of a verdict. 96 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:01.240 I happen to think and I do America, and no one can tell me 97 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:07.759 otherwise about how I feel about America. Loving America is loving her unconditionally. 98 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:11.959 It does not mean that you agree with everything that it espouses. It doesn't 99 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:15.959 mean that you agree with every policy it puts forward. It doesn't mean that 100 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:20.000 you even like what it's doing internationally as a matter of foreign policy, but 101 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:28.040 you still love her unconditionally. Love her also means that you should and probably 102 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:31.360 do, criticize her, and I think that there's room for all of that. 103 00:08:31.200 --> 00:08:37.200 Disagree with the verdict, absolutely sure, Sure, I can't list all 104 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:41.399 the verdicts that I disagree with. For on a federal level, on a 105 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:45.399 state level, on a local level. The justice system has not been something 106 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:48.120 that I've agreed with all the time, almost never, for that matter. 107 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:54.320 But I still love America, and I do know that our justice system is 108 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:58.960 the best in the world comparatively. Speaking. For all the misguide to talk 109 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:03.799 about how we've done devolved into a third world country, clearly you haven't been 110 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:05.360 to a third world country. If you think that we're on the present piece 111 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:11.639 of becoming that we are nowhere close. We don't have a kangaroo court system. 112 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:16.559 We don't have any of that. But You're allowed to feel how you 113 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:18.279 feel. I'm not going to tell you how to feel. I'm just giving 114 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:24.840 you some facts. Our system is imperfect and none of the people who comprise 115 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:28.279 it are perfect. But socially, America is going to go through some stuff. 116 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:31.759 It's been going through some stuff, and it will for the foreseeable future 117 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:37.919 because this today was a momentous day. It's not one for celebration. It's 118 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:41.399 not one to i would say, sensationalize and say that America's gone to hell 119 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:46.000 in a handbasket. There's much more nuance in here as far as what happened, 120 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:50.159 why it happened, and where we go from here. And for the 121 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:52.919 rest of the hour, we're going to be talking about this, where we 122 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:56.519 go from here, and what to make of this moment you're listening to later 123 00:09:56.759 --> 00:10:03.039 with Moe Kelly on demand from Yes, I'm talking about the verdict which was 124 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:09.120 handed down today in New York in which former President Donald Trump was convicted on 125 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:16.879 all thirty four felony counts related to the misdemeanor of falsifying business records, and 126 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:22.759 then it was escalated to a felony because it was done in service of another 127 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:28.519 crime that was which was proved today beyond a reasonable doubt according to the jury. 128 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:33.360 And afterward, former President Trump came out and addressed the media, as 129 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:37.679 he's often known to do, and he said many of the same things that 130 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:41.039 he said before. But I want to discuss one of the things, one 131 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:46.759 of the recurring themes that he's expressed over the many years. He said that 132 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:52.000 this trial was rigged, or he said, and he said that the judge 133 00:10:52.039 --> 00:10:56.600 was conflicted and corrupted. Well, let me just deal with this idea of 134 00:10:56.600 --> 00:11:01.440 something being rigged. If you know they you know that. Donald Trump said 135 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:09.120 that the twenty sixteen election was rigged before the election he won. He said 136 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:16.200 that the twenty twenty election was rigged before the election and he lost, but 137 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:20.759 the Republicans took control of the House. I'm pretty sure. Don't quote me 138 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:26.240 on this. I'm pretty sure that the Democrats were so good at rigging elections, 139 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:30.720 and clearly they're not. If they weren't as inept as I know them 140 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:35.879 to be, they probably would have rigged it. And I'm saying this tongue 141 00:11:35.919 --> 00:11:39.000 in cheek. They probably would have rigged it so they would have had control 142 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:43.240 of the House, the Senate, and the Oval Office. Why because they're 143 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:48.639 all on the same ballot. They only rigged one race on the same ballot, 144 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:56.240 So that defies credulity, as they say that strains credulity. It's a 145 00:11:56.279 --> 00:12:00.960 little hard to understand that. But if the process is rigged, why would 146 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:03.600 he be running again? Now? He will say that he's running because he 147 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:09.919 wants to save America. He wants to save the Constitution. And he's doing 148 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:13.120 it like they're coming after me because they're trying to get to you. That's 149 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:18.200 what he often says. But I'm trying to figure out what he's trying to 150 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:22.919 do for America. I'm trying to figure out, as a voter, what 151 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:30.720 he hopes to do, other than, i'll say, adjudicate his grievances, 152 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:35.440 the issues that he's mad about, or the people that he wants to get 153 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:39.919 back at. But this idea of rigged, if this system is rigged, 154 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:46.960 it's not rigged very well because the Democrats should do far better than they do. 155 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:50.279 Don't you think that if the Democrats could rig the presidential election. They 156 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:54.480 could rig the House election. Don't you think if they could rig the presidential 157 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:56.559 election, they would have rigged the House and the Senate, so Joe Biden 158 00:12:56.600 --> 00:13:00.679 could have gotten everything done that he wanted to get done, and they wouldn't 159 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:03.919 have to have any say so from the Republicans. Don't you think that. 160 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:07.600 I mean, if I'm going to rig an election, that's the first thing 161 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:09.120 I'm going to do. I'm going to make sure that I rigg the election 162 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:13.639 so I can get everything I want, not just something that I want, 163 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:16.399 not just a divided government where Joe Biden can't get much of anything passed, 164 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:22.360 and he has a divided government where you have Speaker Mike Johnson thwarting him at 165 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:30.120 every turn, which is okay, that's the whole point of these I call 166 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:33.960 it the three ring circus, where you have the different branches, the coequal 167 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:37.279 branches, so you don't have the power of just one person to do everything. 168 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:41.759 But if you don't have any faith in America, if you don't have 169 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:46.559 any faith in her electoral processes, if you don't have any faith in the 170 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:50.559 justice system, then what is it we're talking about? What is it we 171 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:56.120 have to talk about as Americans. If you actually think that America has fallen 172 00:13:56.159 --> 00:14:03.559 down this hell hole because the guy you didn't want to win one, or 173 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:09.559 because Donald Trump was convicted today, then I don't know if you really loved 174 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:11.960 America. And it may be painful to hear that, but I think it's 175 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:16.159 a fair question to ask if your love is that fragile, or if you 176 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:22.320 only view love of country through the lens of things going the way that I 177 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:24.919 want. The only way that Donald Trump lost was because it was fixed, 178 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:31.600 question mark. The only way that he could have been convicted is because of 179 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:35.480 some sort of corruption on the part of the judge. And let me talk 180 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:39.120 about this because I know just a little something about law. There was an 181 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:48.639 opportunity for the Trump defense to file emotion of recusal against this judge. If 182 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:54.480 they actually thought that he was somehow corrupt or biased on the take, anything 183 00:14:54.480 --> 00:15:00.039 of that nature, they would have done so, and could have done so 184 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:05.799 as a precursor to appeal. They could have filed the motion, it would 185 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:11.120 have been denied, and then they could have appealed using that. For whatever 186 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:16.200 reasons they did not. That's why I talk about we didn't actually hear or 187 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:18.919 see what was going on in the trial. Now, I personally I read 188 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:22.639 the transcripts because I wanted to read as best I could what was actually said. 189 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:28.440 But for the most part, people did not. People relied on what 190 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:31.960 they heard on their favorite cable news channel, and then they responded to what 191 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:37.480 maybe president former President Trump said when he was standing outside of court, but 192 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:41.240 not what actually happened in the trial. And we have this skewed view of 193 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:48.000 what our American judicial system, how it's supposed to work, because we're looking 194 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:52.679 at it through the filters of cable news. Now it actually happened in the 195 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:58.759 trial. I don't know if people even actually read the indictment. Most people 196 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:04.120 had talked to have not. Most people I've talked to today have not read 197 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:08.919 any of the court transcripts. But they are really, really sure of what 198 00:16:08.960 --> 00:16:17.679 they feel about the justice system. It's interesting that everyone who believes the system 199 00:16:17.799 --> 00:16:25.440 is rigged has taken no umbrage with how the current Supreme Court came to be 200 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:32.000 when all of those elections were going out. It was not rigged. When 201 00:16:32.679 --> 00:16:40.240 Trump's justices were selected, the same justices who everyone believed at one point in 202 00:16:40.279 --> 00:16:44.679 time, we're going to get him off. Scott free. These are the 203 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:49.320 rumors, these were the conspiracy theories and all of that. Everything can't be 204 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:53.480 someone else's faulty. It can't be always someone else. That's what I always 205 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:56.320 tell, even my own children when they come to me and they say, 206 00:16:56.440 --> 00:17:00.559 it's not my fault, it was because of this. Because of that, 207 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:04.359 I'm like, if you're the only one at the center of this and everything 208 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:08.279 points to you, it can't be everyone else. And that is how I 209 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:14.640 look at this situation right now. Well, you mentioned the justices, and 210 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:22.079 there wouldn't be three appointees of Donald Trump unless he won the twenty sixteen rigged 211 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:29.960 air quotes election. There wouldn't have been actually one of them unless Mitch McConnell 212 00:17:29.960 --> 00:17:36.000 did not step in and block the nomination process of Merrick Galler Garland. That's 213 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:40.440 just basic history. If you want to talk about rigged and how the government 214 00:17:40.480 --> 00:17:47.440 is supposed to work, you know, and maybe people don't really know civics, 215 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:51.240 Maybe they don't know how the country is supposed to work. Maybe they 216 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:56.480 don't know the coequal branches and how they function together. And we are so 217 00:17:56.720 --> 00:18:00.079 partisan now where we believe that anything when I say is the collective, we 218 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:06.519 that anything doesn't go our preferred way, that it must be somehow rigged against 219 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:12.279 us or somehow corrupt, or the other side scheming and making it so there's 220 00:18:12.559 --> 00:18:18.720 I would I will listen to the conversation of Trump not being guilty on the 221 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:25.480 merits if you want to discuss the case and say because of this witness or 222 00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:30.200 that we can we can have that discussion. But to dismiss out of hand, 223 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:36.119 well that judge was appointed by a Democrat, so therefore he's corrupt. 224 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:38.559 And I said, wait a minute, well, well, are we only 225 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:45.599 going to have politicians are elected officials investigated by people of the same party. 226 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:49.920 Is that where we're at now? Are we saying that when Bob Menendez is 227 00:18:49.960 --> 00:18:53.680 on trial, it's rigged unless he has a democratic judge. Are we going 228 00:18:53.759 --> 00:18:59.079 to say now that Congressman Queller, when he's on trial, that's it's it's 229 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:03.039 rigged unless there's a democratic judge. Is that what we're saying? Is that 230 00:19:03.079 --> 00:19:07.240 what we're doing here? It's Later with mo Kelly caf I AM six forty. 231 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:11.480 We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. You're listening to Later with Moe 232 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:15.079 Kelly on demand from KFI AM six forty last second, as we continue our 233 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:21.079 discussion of the Trump verdict today, what it means, legally, politically, 234 00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:25.079 socially, America is going through some stuff. It's an uncomfortable time in America. 235 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:26.400 It's not the first time, it's not the last time, but it's 236 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:32.039 definitely a different time. And I was dealing with this idea of everything being 237 00:19:32.119 --> 00:19:36.000 rigged, or so former President Trump was said. He said today after the 238 00:19:36.079 --> 00:19:40.119 verdict that the trial was rigged. It's a disgrace for all America. It's 239 00:19:40.119 --> 00:19:45.640 a common refrain that I hear from people and I and I'm asking the question. 240 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:52.319 It's almost rhetorical. It's almost rhetorical. Is the assumption that Republicans can 241 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:59.519 only be investigated by Republicans? Is the expectation that that can only be Republican 242 00:19:59.559 --> 00:20:07.680 appointed judges who can preside over cases which the defendant is a Republican. If 243 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:14.039 so, that has to work both ways, And if so, then people 244 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:18.640 who are not Republicans should not take anything that the Supreme Court says with any 245 00:20:18.640 --> 00:20:22.279 type of seriousness. If we're going to look at everything through the lens of 246 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:30.839 political partisanship, are we saying that only Republicans are above political ideology influencing their 247 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:33.799 behavior. Is that what we're saying, Because if that's what we're saying, 248 00:20:34.039 --> 00:20:37.000 I can't have a serious conversation with you. I can't. And I'm not 249 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:41.799 even going to get into all the stuff about Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas. 250 00:20:41.839 --> 00:20:48.640 I'm just saying, as a rule of principle, if you think or thought 251 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:52.559 that Judge Marshawn was somehow corrupt or conflicted, the time for that to have 252 00:20:52.599 --> 00:20:57.160 been addressed would have been in the trial, and the Trump's defense team would 253 00:20:57.160 --> 00:21:04.920 have filed a motion for arsusal along those lines, and then if we're then 254 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:11.480 subsequently turned down denied, then they could use that on appeal. They did 255 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:14.680 not do that because why it was not an issue, was not something that 256 00:21:14.720 --> 00:21:17.880 it could support in a court of law. So are we going to talk 257 00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:22.519 about the actual case or we're just going to talk about our feelings in a 258 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:29.039 nebulous, amorphous way about well, I just don't like the verdict. Okay, 259 00:21:29.079 --> 00:21:32.400 if you don't like the verdict, got it. I feel the same 260 00:21:32.440 --> 00:21:36.480 way about a lot of verdicts. But if we're actually talking about the specifics 261 00:21:36.519 --> 00:21:41.240 of the case, what was done, why it was done, assessing the 262 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:47.440 evidence which was only before the jury, not what you heard, not what 263 00:21:47.519 --> 00:21:52.519 you read, not what you were told through analysis on cable news. That's 264 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:57.240 a very different conversation, very different, and I'm willing to have that conversation 265 00:21:57.319 --> 00:22:02.200 with you. But you're of the opinion that, well, it's all rigged, 266 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:07.880 Then why is Donald Trump running for president? If it's rigged? Either 267 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:10.480 he believes it or he doesn't believe it. If he does believe it, 268 00:22:10.519 --> 00:22:14.160 well it doesn't matter. And the evil Democrats are masterminds and they are the 269 00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:17.720 puppeteer puppet masters of the world, except they can't figure out how to win 270 00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:22.559 a congressional election on the same ballot names on the same ballot. They can 271 00:22:22.599 --> 00:22:30.079 fix President, but they can't fix Congress, the House. They can't do 272 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:33.720 all three branches. You know, I'm supposed to believe the Justice Department when 273 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:40.640 they indict Bob Menendez, but I'm not supposed to believe the Justice system when 274 00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:45.039 they indict in Donald Trump in January sixth. I can't mentally reconcile the two. 275 00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:51.759 It's the same Justice Department and Twayla. You're asking me off air about 276 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:56.319 how I think this case will impact these other cases against Donald Trump. It's 277 00:22:56.359 --> 00:22:59.559 a great question. I think for the most part, not at all. 278 00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:03.440 Here's what the Manhattan case is. A state level case. It's not a 279 00:23:03.440 --> 00:23:08.279 federal case. It's not anything which is directly connected to the January sixth case 280 00:23:08.799 --> 00:23:17.559 and the mar Lago Classified Documents case. Also, both of the federal cases 281 00:23:17.839 --> 00:23:22.920 have been delayed for varying reasons where it's not going to be heard anytime soon. 282 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:27.079 It probably not until well into twenty twenty five. Who knows what America 283 00:23:27.119 --> 00:23:33.240 will look like then we won't even know that We'll have a presidential election Between 284 00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:36.839 now and then, there's no telling. I try to tell people with politics 285 00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:41.319 all the time, everything changes just about every week in the months leading up 286 00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:45.519 to an election. How people feel about this moment will be very different. 287 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:51.160 Two weeks from now, something may happen. Someone may have a medical emergency. 288 00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:53.319 There may be not only an October surprise, but there may be a 289 00:23:53.400 --> 00:23:57.279 June, July, and August surprise. Things will come out, There may 290 00:23:57.279 --> 00:24:02.680 be a video here and an audio tape. Look, Joe Biden could go 291 00:24:02.799 --> 00:24:07.000 up the steps of Air Force one trip and fall all the way down the 292 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:12.079 steps backward. And that could if not in his life that could incapacitate him 293 00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:17.000 as far as becoming president. Same with Donald Trump at a rally. There 294 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:19.960 are so many unknowns and variables. Who knows what's going to happen. But 295 00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:26.400 to answer questions specifically with the cases, it's too early to tell. And 296 00:24:26.480 --> 00:24:29.759 for example, how about this now, it came back to me. If 297 00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:37.960 Judge Marshawn were conflicted or corrupt because he was appointed by a Democrat, then 298 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:42.519 what am I supposed to think about Aileen Cannon who was appointed by Donald Trump. 299 00:24:42.759 --> 00:24:45.839 We can play this game anyhow any way you want. I mean, 300 00:24:47.400 --> 00:24:53.839 is it only okay or is someone only above reproach or speculation when we like 301 00:24:53.960 --> 00:24:57.359 the person, is that what we're doing here? I don't do that. 302 00:24:57.759 --> 00:25:02.599 I don't do that. I look Bob Menendez and I think, hmm, 303 00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:08.000 that God looks guilty, period. Congressman quelor m looks s guilty to me. 304 00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:12.079 And we can run the list of other elected officials and politicians who've gotten 305 00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:17.839 in trouble over the years, and we look at the specifics of the case. 306 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:22.480 But if we're going to default and assume that the person presiding over the 307 00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:30.799 case, be it Judge Tanya Chuckkin or Judge Murshan or Alien Cannon, then 308 00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:34.839 we just lost our way and there will never be any belief or faith in 309 00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:41.720 this justice system. If today it's the only time that you disagreed with the 310 00:25:41.839 --> 00:25:47.039 verdict, or you think today is beyond the pale and America's justice system has 311 00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:55.920 fallen apart, then you haven't really been sincerely invested in the process. You 312 00:25:56.160 --> 00:26:00.960 just haven't. You can't think that the justice system has somehow run astray today 313 00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:10.680 today, today, Okay. You know my frustration is people generally want to 314 00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:15.400 have it both ways. They want to say that Judge Murshawn is conflicted and 315 00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:19.920 corrupted and act like Samuel Alito with those flags, no big deal, or 316 00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:25.440 Clarence Thomas with all the trips and everything. Oh, that's no big deal. 317 00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:32.720 You can't have it both ways. If you think, well, Marshawn 318 00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:37.799 who was appointed by a Democrat, Judge Aileen Cannon was appointed directly by Donald 319 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:41.160 Trump, or you could say, if it should get to the Supreme Court, 320 00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:47.799 or there's a case before the Supreme Court regarding presidential immunity, how can 321 00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:52.720 you do that when those Supreme Court justices, some of them were appointed by 322 00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:56.319 Donald Trump. You know what I mean, you can't have it both ways. 323 00:26:56.559 --> 00:27:02.200 If you think that their political ideology trump's either their legal acumen or their 324 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:07.880 impartiality, then it has to be consistent in the application. That's all I'm 325 00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:11.279 asking for, all I've ever asked for is consistency. And if you believe 326 00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:15.799 that Democrats cannot adjudicate Republicans, then you also have to be of the opinion 327 00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:22.640 that Republicans can judicate democrats. Otherwise you're full of it. You're listening to 328 00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:29.240 later with Moe Kelly on Demand from KFI AM six forty, and I know 329 00:27:29.319 --> 00:27:32.720 there are people who are listening right now. Maybe you want of them who 330 00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:37.119 do not agree with me, vehemently disagree with everything that I said, And 331 00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:41.880 that's okay. That is okay. Won't be the first time, and it 332 00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:45.880 definitely will not be the last time. But I try to be even handed 333 00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:53.200 as far as how I approach these subjects. I try to be consistent as 334 00:27:53.200 --> 00:28:00.400 far as my expectations of whether something is fair or unfair, because at the 335 00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:06.519 end of the end of the day, I'm looking for consistency. Fairness is 336 00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:15.119 a result of consistency. I can't take people seriously who only apply a standard 337 00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:21.960 to one group of people or in one direction, and regardless of whatever you 338 00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:25.119 believe, you believe what you believe, and I know you believe it strongly, 339 00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:30.000 But if you don't believe it consistently, then I don't think we can 340 00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:37.480 have a legitimate conversation. And I'm looking for a legitimate conversation. I think 341 00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:44.599 that there is value in discussing the case of former President Trumpet and what happened 342 00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:48.480 and why it happened, and maybe whose testimony was credible or less credible. 343 00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:53.920 I think there is value and merit and discussing whether you can actually escalate a 344 00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:59.680 misdemean or two a felony. I'm willing to listen to all of that, 345 00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:03.000 But at the same time, I don't want you to sit there and just 346 00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:10.960 disregard the other evidence, which is documentary in nature, the checks, what 347 00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:15.400 was signed, signed by whom. It wasn't just Michael Cohen, it was 348 00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:19.759 also Hope Hicks and others who testified. And I say now, and I 349 00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:25.799 say it every time. Read the indictment, read the actual testimony. Don't 350 00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:32.880 tell me what so and so said on MSNBC, Don't tell me what so 351 00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:38.880 and so alleged on Fox News. Take it from the actual transcript. Tell 352 00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:45.640 me specifically grounds of appeal? What what is it you will be appealing? 353 00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:48.519 Oh, I don't like the verdict. The verdict was unfair. That's not 354 00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:52.400 grounds for appeal. That just means you don't like the verdict, and that 355 00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:57.039 too, is okay, but it's not grounds for an appeal. Big picture, 356 00:29:57.880 --> 00:30:04.359 it's going to be a bumpy ride between now and the presidential inauguration, 357 00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:11.200 whoever that is. It's going to be bumpy for all different reasons, different 358 00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:15.160 steps along the way. We got a presidential debate coming up, we have 359 00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:22.279 a sentencing hearing. We have all sorts of political surprises, which you're going 360 00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:26.039 to happen because politics are dirty. I don't like people trying to conflate politics 361 00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:32.720 and the justice system, but politics is definitely dirty. Sometimes. I think 362 00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:36.720 if we knew more civics, we'd be able to make the distinction between both 363 00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:40.480 and know that this was a state case, not a federal case. And 364 00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:44.240 there's this partition between the president and the Justice Department. YadA YadA, YadA, 365 00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:48.160 blah blah blah. But we'll do that some other day. I love 366 00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:56.279 America, and I don't have to apologize to anyone anyone as to why or 367 00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:03.799 how I love America in spite of what I think are as shortcomings. I 368 00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:08.759 love America in spite of what I know to be. It's complicated and oftentimes 369 00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:17.599 troubling past when it comes to the justice system. But I love America despite 370 00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:22.880 whatever may happen, whether I like what it does, whether I like who's 371 00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:27.759 elected or not, because loving America to me, and this is just me. 372 00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:33.039 Maybe you can turn your love on and off. Maybe your love is 373 00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:37.000 predicated on whether things go your way, but it's not with me. It's 374 00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:41.039 not with me. There have been presidents that I voted for who won, 375 00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:44.720 and there have been presidents I've voted for, excuse me, presidential candidates I've 376 00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:48.200 voted for who have lost. And you know what, the world just keeps 377 00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:51.839 on spinning. And if we already have a longer conversation, I will tell 378 00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:56.200 you all the reasons why who gets elected president has less real impact on your 379 00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:01.119 day to day lives than your mayor, or your city council person, or 380 00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:07.400 your LA county supervisor, or your governor. With the exception of obviously the 381 00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:13.680 Supreme Court justices. If there are any appointees, those individuals can impact your 382 00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:19.559 life for a generation. But that's a different discussion. I love America and 383 00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:22.160 it has nothing to do with today's verdict. It has nothing to do with 384 00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:28.480 what will transpire in the classified documents case. It will have nothing to do 385 00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:31.759 with whatever does happen in the Georgia case, if that ever actually goes to 386 00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:37.519 trial, the Georgia Rico case. It has everything to do with America and 387 00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:43.440 the totality of what she represents and her place in the world. This is 388 00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:49.519 an uncomfortable time and for many people, today is a day that is making 389 00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:53.680 you very angry. I don't celebrate. I have absolutely no emotional attachment to 390 00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:57.000 this case at all. I'm going to sleep like a baby, and I 391 00:32:57.000 --> 00:33:00.359 would have slept like a baby if a former presient and Trump were acquitted on 392 00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:05.559 all counts. It has no impact on my life. Despite what you want 393 00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:09.079 to tell me on social media. This is going to evolve. How it's 394 00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:13.799 going to evolve. We're going to get through this, and no one knows 395 00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:15.279 how it's going to turn out. We didn't know about the verdict today, 396 00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:17.759 and we don't know about any other verdict in the future. We don't know 397 00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:22.640 about the appeal, and we don't know about the election. So for everyone 398 00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:24.920 who wants to say, well, this is going to guarantee that Trump is 399 00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:29.279 going to win, it doesn't work that way. Or this is going to 400 00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:34.440 guarantee that Joe Biden's going to win, it doesn't work that way. Why 401 00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:38.000 because it isn't rigged. It's later with Mo Kelly k IF I am six 402 00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:43.799 forty. We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. More stimulating Tom. There's 403 00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:50.440 no log in require k S. 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