WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:06.160 So hello, welcome back to the nonprofits. So North Carolina Mega Church exits 2 00:00:06.280 --> 00:00:12.679 Southern Baptist Convention after expulsions over a woman pastors. So this article comes from 3 00:00:12.720 --> 00:00:17.280 AP News and is written by Peter Smith on Just at the end of June 4 00:00:17.280 --> 00:00:21.480 in twenty twenty three. Oh, it's a misogyny article. It's my favorite, 5 00:00:22.000 --> 00:00:29.719 yea, just because the Southern Baptist Convension and the Elevation Mega Church got 6 00:00:29.719 --> 00:00:36.079 into a beef and I love some inter religion drama. You know. It's 7 00:00:36.200 --> 00:00:40.439 it's kind of like a really bad soap opera. So I'm kind of digging 8 00:00:40.520 --> 00:00:45.359 it. So I know that my fellow panelists have opinions of it. Sokara, 9 00:00:45.799 --> 00:00:49.000 do you want to talk about what's going on in the beef that happened? 10 00:00:49.719 --> 00:00:54.439 Oh? Boy, I would love to. I have been following this 11 00:00:54.759 --> 00:01:00.640 with I shouldn't say glee. I think schadenfreude is the term. My background 12 00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:08.359 is in the Southern Baptist Church and other evangelical varieties of denominations, so I 13 00:01:08.480 --> 00:01:17.319 remember learning the ideas that are being argued here, which is well misogyny. 14 00:01:17.799 --> 00:01:22.840 We were constantly told women are to be silent in the church. Women are 15 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:26.560 not to teach men. I do remember learning that women could be children's pastors, 16 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:30.680 which apparently now is up for dispute, because what's happening now is that 17 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:37.239 the Southern Baptist Convention has decided to eject, or in some cases, I 18 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:42.480 guess, receive the resignation or you know, whatever you call it, of 19 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:48.439 churches in their in their convention who have female pastors. And this has been 20 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:53.200 determined by the Southern Baptist Convention to be in violation of their scriptural beliefs because 21 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:57.799 women are not to be teachers of men or to speak in church. I 22 00:01:57.840 --> 00:02:01.799 don't think they're actually literal really saying that women can't speak during the church service, 23 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:06.560 but they seem to be interpreting that to mean that women are not allowed 24 00:02:06.599 --> 00:02:10.800 to be ministers of any kind. And what was interesting to me was to 25 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:17.439 find out how many Southern Baptist churches actually did have female ministers, because I 26 00:02:17.479 --> 00:02:22.199 didn't know that there were any. I guess I haven't been paying attention, 27 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:25.599 but there were several, and some of them were megachurches, which are accounting 28 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:30.039 for something like I can't remember the number. I read it in an article 29 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:35.120 in the Times earlier this week that combined, the churches that have been forced 30 00:02:35.199 --> 00:02:40.039 out over this which had female pastors in some capacity made up something like two 31 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:44.400 percent or five percent. It was a small percentage, but it was a 32 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:50.039 noticeable percentage of the income to the Southern Baptist Convention. And this is just 33 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:54.080 a handful of churches, so they were significant, large churches that are leaving 34 00:02:54.120 --> 00:03:00.560 now, and I just cannot wait to see what happens next. Over to 35 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:04.840 Kelly, what do you have on this? Yeah, it will be interesting 36 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:07.240 to see where this goes. And I know this has been happening happening for 37 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:13.479 a while. Already five churches have already been expelled by the SBC for female 38 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:19.000 ministers, so it is a pretty interesting topic to me as well. Kara. 39 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:22.439 I'm really interested to see where it is going to go. I might 40 00:03:22.479 --> 00:03:24.080 be wrong about this, and you said you follow it. Has this been 41 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:29.039 going on with one of the Methodist sign nots too? I believe I might 42 00:03:29.080 --> 00:03:31.159 be wrong on that, but I thought I remember reading that before in the 43 00:03:31.199 --> 00:03:35.080 past. I could be wrong, though, but I go ahead. I 44 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:38.759 think there was a thing with the Methodist Church recently that I remember that had 45 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:43.759 to do with their acceptance of queer ministers. Oh that might be what it 46 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:46.240 was, and they see that sometimes both my brain cells get stuck together. 47 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:51.039 So there you go. But I thought I did thought this was a really 48 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:53.879 interesting thing. It is biblical. I mean, let's face it, women 49 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:57.520 are supposed to stay quiet in church. I mean, that's what it says. 50 00:03:57.759 --> 00:04:00.680 But the fact that this has been going on for a while, and 51 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:05.199 ESPC itself has been in membership the client for the last two decades, you 52 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:11.560 would think that they would realize that they're doing something wrong. And when they 53 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:15.720 look around all the churches around them who are accepting female ministers, maybe you 54 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:19.120 might think that somewhere in the back of their heads they might think that this 55 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:23.319 might be one of the things that we're doing wrong and we need to change. 56 00:04:23.399 --> 00:04:26.759 But it doesn't seem too It doesn't seem like it's registering their heads at 57 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:29.639 all. Tayo, you want to add to this, Well, I don't 58 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:33.079 really know about the thing that you are talking about. I mean the history 59 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:36.720 of other churches doing this, But I do have to mention that I only 60 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:42.759 see Christians being Christians and quotation mark good Christians. Please let me explain this. 61 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:46.759 So I always say that Christians and Muslims are terrible Christian and Muslims because 62 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:50.279 I am still alive despite the fact that I work on Saturdays, I e. 63 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:55.040 Shreve, I wear different fabrics. So I'm really glad that they don't 64 00:04:55.040 --> 00:04:59.600 follow their books because I like living, and I'm sure that other nonbelievers also 65 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:01.759 like. For people who have no idea what I'm talking about, go and 66 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:05.920 read the autonomy in the Bible. The autonomy is seventeen to five those who 67 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:11.360 worship other gods should be brought before the judges and put to death. Twenty 68 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:15.319 two twenty anyone who sacrifices to other gods shall be destroyed. Let it goes 69 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:18.000 twenty four to sixteen. Anyone foodless films the name of gods shall be put 70 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:23.040 to death. So three articles that say I should not be alive. And 71 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:28.079 if you go to the Quran, Suran all by Ynac nineteen eighty six says 72 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:32.519 that those who were who disbelieved the prophet, they are the words of creatures. 73 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:36.639 I'm not going to mention what is mentioned there, but you know we 74 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:41.160 are going to be sent to hell obviously. And Surah al Kumar fifty four 75 00:05:41.360 --> 00:05:45.959 and fifty one to fifty five the passage describes past nations that you reacted the 76 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:49.439 prophets and persisted in disbelief, so they were totally destroyed. And I'm glad 77 00:05:49.480 --> 00:05:55.399 that people don't follow those things. So see now it's very weird for me 78 00:05:55.480 --> 00:06:00.360 that I see Christians trying to be quotation are good Christian following the Bible, 79 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:04.720 Following First Corinthians for fourteen thirty four thirty five, women should remain silent in 80 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:09.000 the churches. They are not allowed to speak, must be in submission as 81 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:12.680 the losses. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their 82 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:15.920 husbands at home, for it's a disgraceful for a woman to speak in the 83 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:20.879 church. Or first Timothy to a two eleven and twelve, a woman should 84 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:27.079 learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach 85 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:30.560 or to assume authority over a man. She must be quiet. I know 86 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:34.240 guys that as a Jew, I should I don't have celebrate this, but 87 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:38.240 you know, kind of be happy that, Oh yeah, women cannot teach 88 00:06:38.279 --> 00:06:41.800 me anything. But no, that's actually the reason, one of the many 89 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:46.480 reasons why I'm against the Bible being used as a source of morality. Against 90 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:50.439 the Bible as being used as a way of teaching people's stuff because it has 91 00:06:50.519 --> 00:06:55.959 this immoral, absurd silly things. And sorry, but most women that I 92 00:06:56.079 --> 00:06:58.680 know, they can teach me a lot, and I'm glad that I can 93 00:06:58.839 --> 00:07:03.920 hear from them once again. I just think Christians being Christians and Christians who 94 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:08.639 actually followed the Bible in this way are the reason why I speak so much 95 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:12.959 against the harms of religion, because following the Bible as they are doing is 96 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:16.839 extremely harmful for them, for everybody around and for our whole society. So 97 00:07:17.360 --> 00:07:21.519 yeah, so I'd like to give a little bit more contact for our audience 98 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:27.439 of what exactly is going on. So the Southern Baptist Convention was all kind 99 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:32.079 of but her because they were given religious authority within the Elevation Megachurch in North 100 00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:36.360 Carolina, and i'd let to chaos. Yes, I tell you, there 101 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:44.600 could be Yeah, there could be some possible deniability on the Southern Baptist Convention 102 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:48.839 Center as the Southern Baptist Convention as you go through the article. But it's 103 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:55.000 kind of pretty clear exactly what happened. Now I'm going to point out they 104 00:07:55.040 --> 00:08:00.279 didn't correctly say that there was It was not that no that was reason. 105 00:08:00.480 --> 00:08:07.240 But Pastor Stephen Frederick's wife, Holly Frederick, has given sermons to the congregation 106 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:11.639 and has these sermons linked on their website. Now we know membership has been 107 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:18.439 declining and which may not be completely clear. It could be post pandemic numbers, 108 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:24.879 um, it could be that people are siding with the SBC. But 109 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:31.680 my conspiracy people is that people are becoming less religious and misogyny. It's kind 110 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:35.600 of gross in the modern world, and even Christians and other believers are not 111 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:41.600 agreeing with as a rhetoric anymore. And women are taking leadership roles in the 112 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:43.440 church. You know, I wish they weren't doing it in a church, 113 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:50.960 but I'm like, oh, progress more leadership. Sure, yeah, okay, 114 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:52.840 so but you have to be on the authority of a man. I 115 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:56.519 have a feeling they have to get their sermons approved by the head. You 116 00:08:56.559 --> 00:09:01.879 know. I'm just saying so, you know, I have a problem with 117 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:07.759 anybody having to wait around to speak. I have a problem with people having 118 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:11.480 wait around to lead, you know, no matter who you are. And 119 00:09:11.720 --> 00:09:16.879 the fact that the SBC was like, yeah, no, we don't, 120 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:22.159 We're not digging this and actually pulled out because Henry Footwick wanted his wife to 121 00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:26.919 preach. So I just have a lot of problems with that. I do 122 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:31.919 think it's great that the Elevation Church are sticking to their guns and are not 123 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:37.720 cow tailing to the SBC. But at the same time, why would you 124 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:45.519 want the approval of anyone that has this old, antiquated, misogynists view, 125 00:09:45.759 --> 00:09:48.759 just saying, you know, why would you want to do that? So 126 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:54.480 but I do love the drama. It's it's very yummy. It's very very 127 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:58.720 yummy. So Carra, do you have anything else to say? Because you 128 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:01.759 grew up in these circles? So oh, I do. Yes, I 129 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:07.279 have been following this and I just want to remind everyone too that the SPC 130 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:11.759 has a history of taking the worst possible position on social issues and then digging 131 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:16.639 in based on these, you know, cherry picked verses that they say they're 132 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:20.399 using to literally interpret the Bible, and of course, you know, they're 133 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:28.279 picking out certain verses that always seem to affect marginalized or disadvantaged groups. You 134 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:33.600 know. Let's recall how the Southern Baptist Convention was formed in eighteen forty five 135 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:39.440 as a separate convention from those Northern Baptists. Because, surprise, surprise, 136 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:45.159 the Southern slaveholding Baptists wanted to continue being pro slavery and continued to advocate for 137 00:10:45.320 --> 00:10:48.639 racist policies, and well into the twentieth century, we're advocating for things like 138 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:56.559 segregation and rejecting interracial dating and relationships. And this has been a constant thing 139 00:10:56.600 --> 00:11:01.440 with them. They did get around to condemning whites premisey in twenty seventeen, 140 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:07.879 so you know, wow, wow, never progress. Yeah, And and 141 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:11.879 they're they're coming out with these things that they, you know, are saying. 142 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:16.480 I think some of the leaders in this current debate we're saying, well, 143 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:20.279 we're we're trying to right the ship. It's been veering too far into 144 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:26.039 the liberal realm in terms of you know, sexuality and gender and politics and 145 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:31.039 everything. And I'm like, really, that seems too far women speaking, 146 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:35.679 was too far into the liberal realm for you. Okay, wow, but 147 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:39.879 you know, let's recall this is again not for them for God, oh 148 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:45.000 right, right, it's it's it's about God. Yes, God is God 149 00:11:45.080 --> 00:11:48.799 is the hemisogynist. By the way, everybody, I'm sorry, I didn't 150 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:52.799 mean to throw well, no, you're right, yes, that is that 151 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:54.159 is the narrative, it's you know, hey, we didn't make this up. 152 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:58.399 This is what God says. And then from that we end up with 153 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:01.840 things like, you know, the Billy Graham rule, which was kind of 154 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:05.559 made famous recently by Mike Pence when he was saying that, you know, 155 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:09.759 he doesn't ever dine alone with women, and that kicked off this whole debate 156 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:13.159 about we'll hold on a minute. That means you're basically preventing women from being 157 00:12:13.159 --> 00:12:18.399 able to move up in organizations. You're treating women like they're some kind of 158 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:22.080 sexual object that you have to keep at arm's length and doesn't belong in the 159 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:26.279 public sphere. And yes, that is the point of that rule. Apparently 160 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:31.360 that is the idea here. Women are not intended to be succeeding at anything, 161 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:37.600 or preaching or teaching or really doing anything outside of the home. And 162 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:43.240 that's what's being intended here by this sort of argument that's going on. You 163 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:46.120 know, let's not pretend this is just about, oh, we're doing what 164 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:50.799 God wants. This is again further marginalizing a group of people who has already 165 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:54.440 been excluded from a lot. So here we go again, and I can't 166 00:12:54.440 --> 00:13:01.080 wait to see the continue to Exodus. So over to you, Kelly Heyo, 167 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:03.440 thanks for backing me up that this was all big book biblical, all 168 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:07.000 those Bible quotes there. That was awesome. You did a lot more homework 169 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:15.919 than I did, and I appreciate. Don't worry. Oh sure, I 170 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:18.600 was wondering, Um, is this like a tipping point with the SPC? 171 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:24.519 Is this is this gonna Is this finally gonna make them wake up and change 172 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:28.879 this policy? Are they gonna stick with this because obviously this is what God 173 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:33.639 wants? And do you think it might have any repercussions in any other denominations? 174 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:37.480 You think that this kind of movement is going to follow through into the 175 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:41.720 other pretty far far what's the word I'm looking for. I want to say 176 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:46.120 far right, but yeah, far right evangelical type denominations, Matteo, What 177 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:50.679 you know hit us with some of those more those Bible quotes or answering those 178 00:13:50.720 --> 00:13:52.720 questions? Either want I'll give you a passion either. I'm going to do 179 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:58.279 both because I like doing both, doing lots of stuff. But I wish, 180 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:01.600 I wish I could say, yeah, I know people will realize how 181 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:07.480 missurging is they are being, how disgusting their behavior is, and they will 182 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:09.879 realize that this is part of the Bible, and they will start leaving their 183 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:15.639 faith, their awful faith and all that. But sadly, the last years 184 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:18.360 I have seen that people kind of as soon as they start struggling, they 185 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:26.159 reinforce their belief and they come back with more strength to these and it's sad. 186 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:28.679 It's quite sad. And what you said about, yeah, women should 187 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:33.759 be only at home and being and you're not attending their husbands. Let's go 188 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:39.399 with Esfecians five twenty twenty four. Wives submit yourselves to your husbands as you 189 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:41.879 do to the Lord, for the husband is the head of their wife. 190 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:46.879 Teachers two three to five. Likewise, teach the older women to be reverending 191 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:50.399 in the way they live, not to be slenders, are addicted too much 192 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:54.799 wine, but to teach what is good. Then they can urge younger women 193 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:58.240 to love their husbands and children, to be self controlled and pure, to 194 00:14:58.399 --> 00:15:01.879 be be easy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to 195 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:07.399 their husbands. So sadly, this thing about women being just objects that are 196 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:11.759 supposed to stay home and be slaves for children, and you know, attending 197 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:18.759 them and not having their own successful paths it's biblical. It's sad, and 198 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:24.480 I'm afraid that those people who cannot accept that women are equal to them are 199 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:26.960 going to see this and they will say, yeah, the Bible says it 200 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:31.559 on This church understands what I feel. You know, there are some insts 201 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:35.480 out there who I'm pretty sure will be very happy to read those articles and 202 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:39.440 they would say, you see, you see women, why don't you want 203 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:41.759 to have sex with me? You should do it because the Bible and you 204 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:48.080 should be submissive to me, So we all should follow the Bible. And 205 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:50.960 they would try to impose this religion to others, and that scares me. 206 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:54.000 It's pretty scary. I have said it before and I will repeat it. 207 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:56.000 The USA scares me more and more every day. I don't know what you 208 00:15:56.080 --> 00:16:00.519 want to say about this heaven well, I think alan as more. She 209 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:06.000 wants to say, she's all fired up, let's get misogyny, and it 210 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:08.720 drives me crazy. So um, but I will give some a little bit 211 00:16:08.759 --> 00:16:12.320 of advice that m all you women's, all you street women's out there, 212 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:17.360 Um, get a husband that's lazy and doesn't want to have any control over 213 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:21.799 you. And it's basically like I got enough crap to do, so, 214 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:26.039 um that because you know it's it's going to serve both of you a lot 215 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:29.960 better. So you know, there's a there's a little advice from a very 216 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:33.279 woman. Anyway. UM, I'm really kind of curious where this is going 217 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:37.320 to go in the political room. Um, I was writing over your nose, 218 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:41.519 Teo, and you mentioned you know, Trump's pastor and other leaders within 219 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:48.279 you know, these Baptist Methodists, you know, um, non denominational churches 220 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:53.279 that have influence and we have associations with like the SBC, and they you 221 00:16:53.320 --> 00:17:00.000 know, funnel money into government projects and elections and all types of stuff. 222 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:03.000 How does this look for them? You know, where is this going to 223 00:17:03.119 --> 00:17:07.519 cause, like, you know, a little bit of more drama and more 224 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:15.119 issues in the long term for them because there are super religious women you know 225 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:21.119 that are of influence and if the misogyny going a misogyny, you know, 226 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:23.359 how's that gonna look? And I'm very curious of where this is all going 227 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:26.640 to go because the SPC, you know, they think they're big and bad, 228 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:30.400 but they don't have the influences they think they do anymore, you know, 229 00:17:30.440 --> 00:17:34.119 and they're holding on to really bad ideas and even though it seems like 230 00:17:34.160 --> 00:17:37.960 we're always taking a couple steps back. The majority of the populace, even 231 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:42.240 believers, aren't digging this anymore. So I am curious or where this is 232 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:45.559 going to go on the financial, political, social realm, you know. 233 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:48.559 I'm I'm, I'm a curious little bee and I want to see where this 234 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:52.720 goes. Kelly, do you have one more thing you want to say? 235 00:17:52.839 --> 00:18:00.599 Orka somebody somebody talk? Well, um, I thought this was a great 236 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:03.799 conversation. I don't have really much more to add to it myself, So 237 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:07.400 I just want to thank everybody for watching and listening, and if you want 238 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:10.960 more from the nonprofits, you can click right here.