WEBVTT 1 00:00:32.719 --> 00:00:36.799 This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name's Matt. First, I want to say 2 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:41.479 thanks to everyone who listens and supports Bigfoot Crossroads. If you're listening on an 3 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:45.000 app like Apple or Spotify, please take a second to leave a rating on 4 00:00:45.079 --> 00:00:50.479 a comment. It really helps me out. I have a very very special 5 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:56.600 guest with me on Bigfoot Crossroads for this episode. He is a gentleman that 6 00:00:56.640 --> 00:01:00.640 I've come to know quite well over the past several months. I could say 7 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:06.480 that he's somewhat even changed my life, certainly changed my perspective on quite a 8 00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:10.480 few things. He is someone that I would have liked to have met twenty 9 00:01:10.599 --> 00:01:15.120 years ago. But first I want to give a special shout out to my 10 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:23.480 good friend Robert Dominguez over at Bigfoot Club podcast. Robert just celebrated his one 11 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:30.879 hundredth episode, him and Stephen and they had an amazing guest on by the 12 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:38.120 name of Matthew Reginald Nappers. That's his alias for Bigfoot Club. They had 13 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:42.400 me sit in for their one hundredth episode. We had a great time. 14 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:48.200 Check him out if you haven't done so already, But enough about them. 15 00:01:48.239 --> 00:01:52.640 My guess tonight, Oh man, how do I even introduce you? Man, 16 00:01:53.079 --> 00:01:55.920 you know, because I feel like I'm kind of on the spot because 17 00:01:55.959 --> 00:02:00.400 of the way that you introduce people. I don't think I can do it 18 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:04.519 justice, so I'm not going to try. DJ of calling All Beans Podcast 19 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:07.800 Welcome to big Foot Crossroads. Oh, I got to say, what's up? 20 00:02:07.919 --> 00:02:17.199 Rich? Yeah, Stephen Demingez coined me Matthew Reginald Nappers, and it's 21 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:22.879 stuck. Oh man, Yeah, I feel like the Monopoly man every time 22 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:25.199 I say it. But I need to have like a monocle and a top 23 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:30.240 hat with me. That is some kind of special man, I dig it, 24 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:32.800 my man. One love to you, Matt Nap. Those very very 25 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:39.240 nice kind words that were unexpected to say the least from an original gangster of 26 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:43.919 Bigfoot in somebody who's been in the game longer than I. So thank you 27 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:47.840 very much. Brother. Oh totally true, sir, totally true. So 28 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:53.719 let's kick this thing off with the UFO stuff. I mean, that's kind 29 00:02:53.719 --> 00:03:00.759 of your main wheelhouse, I think. But first I want to hear about 30 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:06.759 your background. I think you have an amazing resume just as a human being, 31 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:12.240 and I think it kind of paints a picture of who you are as 32 00:03:12.280 --> 00:03:16.159 a person. So if you don't mind introducing yourself to my listeners and talking 33 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:21.479 about who is DJ, what makes him tick, where did he start out, 34 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:25.800 and just work your way towards the present. Okay, I'll try to 35 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:31.479 make this real quick. Crew up on a ranch in New York, dude 36 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:37.080 ranch type situation, did a lot of stuff around horses and around the ranch 37 00:03:37.159 --> 00:03:46.599 growing up, and found out, or at least was earmarked sometime in middle 38 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:53.120 school as a specialized student. That may or may not have been because my 39 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:55.719 dad threatened one of the teachers and got me kicked out of the school district 40 00:03:55.800 --> 00:04:00.360 or not, But for better or for worse, I was a special student 41 00:04:00.439 --> 00:04:06.360 there from middle school and then up through high school, which I went to 42 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:12.919 two high schools, freshman and senior year in New York, my hometown, 43 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:19.199 and sophomore junior in Florida. But I was able to overcome that through a 44 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:24.839 lot of positive reinforcement from my high school classmates, whom I have a podcast 45 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:31.319 with today. In fact, we did our podcast last night, and sort 46 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:35.720 of they got myself into sports, where I got a lot of reinforcement. 47 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:40.959 Ended up playing college football even though I had never played football in my life, 48 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:47.720 and then got into the Air Force, was a maintainer for about eight 49 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:51.319 years. But I went and got my pilot's license while I was a maintainer 50 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:56.839 in the Air Force, and then put in for flight school and eventually got 51 00:04:56.879 --> 00:05:00.759 it. And there was a job called flight engineer. You could sort of 52 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:04.319 sit in between the pilot and the co pilot. You learned all about aerodynamics 53 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:12.680 and aviation and system aircraft systems, and you ran different calculations and systems that 54 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:18.480 we needed flying tactical infilight tration, ex filtration, air drop and resupply for 55 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:26.519 special ops forces. And that was the crux of most of my Airforce career 56 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:33.319 was doing that. And I'm still with Assock today as a civilian. So 57 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:39.839 I retired in about a decade ago, a little more than a decade ago, 58 00:05:39.879 --> 00:05:47.519 maybe eleven years ago. And you started out in special ed yep. 59 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:51.759 Ye. If that doesn't say the system's broken, I don't know what does. 60 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:59.000 Yeah. It's just really a lot of positive reinforcement from my classmates that 61 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:04.959 um that made me believe that I could do something and got into a college, 62 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:10.160 junior college, you know, barely, but I got in and then 63 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:13.920 proved myself there in the classroom and then on the field, and then that 64 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:16.639 just you know, led the way to other things. I start to just 65 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:21.839 believe in myself more and more so, so yeah, that that that's me. 66 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:27.879 And then the as far as the broadcasting, it started out with MMA 67 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:31.120 I was part of when I was in the Air Force at my last duty 68 00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:35.959 station, I became a training partner for some young MMA guys on the base 69 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:42.079 and then I kind of became their coach. And then when everybody disbanded to 70 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:46.800 separate bases, I started the podcast for MMA, which was probably two thousand 71 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:49.600 and nine or twenty ten, I just can't remember the exact year. I 72 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:54.439 got to nail that down one of these days, and that was it. 73 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:59.439 I just fell listened to this thing called SRDOG Radio Network, really fell in 74 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:03.959 love with their style, and that's where I get this whole roundtable businesses from 75 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:08.879 them them, and and that was it basically. And then one day, 76 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:14.639 you know, I saw that David Fraber, the pilot from the Navy who 77 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:19.160 had disclosed that he had a UFO sighting, and it got to the New 78 00:07:19.240 --> 00:07:26.279 York Times and Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal wrote about that incident with the nimits 79 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:30.800 and then um, because they saw the video that the encompassed it, which 80 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:36.000 they got through Uh, Christopher Melon and Luell Zando, And I said, 81 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:40.360 well, if he could talk about his UFO incident, I could talk about 82 00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:44.199 my mind. That was really a nothing burger. But uh, and then 83 00:07:44.199 --> 00:07:48.160 I just changed my format to UFOs and from that I found out about Bigfoot 84 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:53.000 through Nathan And now we are a as you know, because you're part of 85 00:07:53.000 --> 00:08:01.199 it is we are a UFO Bigfoot and paranormal show calling all beans. That's 86 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:03.920 right. And I'm a yoga teacher, got to say that. Yeah, 87 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:11.279 and your race motorcycles and long distance runner and long distance swimmer. I mean, 88 00:08:11.399 --> 00:08:16.560 come on, dude, you're so humble, You're you do like all 89 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:22.279 these amazing things in life, and you just always treat them like they're going 90 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:26.800 to the grocery store. Yeah. I'm not really good at anything, but 91 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:31.399 I do sort of mess around with a lot of different things and have fun 92 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:35.639 in that diversity, So greatness escapes me in anyone. See, that's where 93 00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:43.080 I disagree with you. You know, some people consider greatness, you know, 94 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:48.759 being great at something, But from my perspective, a lot of your 95 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:52.879 greatness is just the act of doing it. To begin with. I mean, 96 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:58.879 you're talking to somebody who's never even laid eyes on the ocean. Okay, 97 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:03.639 and if I did, I ain't getting in the water. I can 98 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:07.519 promise you that. You know, I've seen enough video footage to know better. 99 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:11.279 But you just, you know, you're just like a fish. You're 100 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:15.960 out there just swimming, you know, with the sharks all the time. 101 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:18.759 Like how many times have we been on the phone, Like I've gotten off 102 00:09:18.759 --> 00:09:22.159 the phone because you're getting ready to getting to the ocean. That's insane. 103 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:24.679 I do wear a shark band though, that's supposed to throw off their radar, 104 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:30.440 So I say, oh yeah, has that been scientifically tested? Have 105 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:33.360 we seen proof of that being effective? I mean, I got some refrigerator 106 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:35.960 magnet's like a tape to my ankles, but it's not gonna get me in 107 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:41.440 the ocean. It's not a terrible idea, man. That could have been 108 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:46.399 a low cost alternative. Yeah, the ninety bucks apiece. So anyway, 109 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:50.679 well as you call it a nothing burger, Uh, let's hear your UFO 110 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:56.799 story. Give me all the deats man, what happened? So essentially, 111 00:09:56.960 --> 00:10:01.240 and I have a photo that I cann and get and send you it's on 112 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:07.519 my computer where you can see the line of sight where we were looking. 113 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:11.120 And if I remember correctly, there, you know, there was a big 114 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:13.840 UFO flap in the Hudson Valley of New York in the eighties, which is 115 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:20.320 where I'm from them from the Hudson Valley Hendry Cutson School District. Yeah. 116 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:24.879 In fact, my school is named after the Hudson So anyway, we were 117 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:28.559 I thought it was going to be the last time that we were going to 118 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:31.360 be on the ranch, and I was moving to Florida, and we had 119 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:35.639 packed up the house. And one of the kids who used to come to 120 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:39.600 the ranch his parents, his mom worked there, and we were just always 121 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:45.200 together on the ranch. Great great guy named Kenny Good. He came up 122 00:10:45.279 --> 00:10:48.320 to visit me for a last time. And we were walking back from the 123 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:54.600 ranch, which sat in a little bit of a valley up the hill towards 124 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:58.240 the main road, and my house was basically across that main road at about 125 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:03.519 a forty five angle. So we're just coming up the hill and talking and 126 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:09.000 it was a Sunday night, pretty quiet on the ranch. I'm not I 127 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:13.279 don't remember if the loudspeaker, usually the loudspeaker with a local radio station was 128 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:16.000 running twenty four hours a day on the ranch, but quiet, meaning no 129 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:24.679 people, and we saw this amazing trove of lights rise above the tree line 130 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:31.840 that you know, elicited a response to something like, holy blank, that's 131 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:37.600 a UFO and he probably said the same thing I did. And we just 132 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:43.039 stared at it and it floated the other direction away from me. So we're 133 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:50.240 seeing the rear aspect of a craft and I can't make out a shape or 134 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:54.639 any just the lights alone were just so bizarre to see that because it was 135 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:58.639 quite dark. I lived out. I mean, this is in the country 136 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:01.080 and at some point, and I can send you a Google map, but 137 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:05.720 where my house was so you can see, but it's it's it's not a 138 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:09.799 place that's very lit up. There's not a lot of street lights or anything 139 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:13.960 like that where I lived. I don't even think there is today. I 140 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:18.320 don't think it's any different today than it was back then. So so so 141 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:22.320 that happened, and then we just kind of made the decision, Hey, 142 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:26.720 I'm not gonna tell my parents because they're not going to believe me, and 143 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:31.440 then I'm gonna get upset, and you know, we kind of went to 144 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:33.360 sleep, and then just talked about it the next morning, I think, 145 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:37.960 and real briefly, but just didn't want to come clean with it. And 146 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:41.679 I didn't talk about it too for the next forty years. I mean I 147 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:48.120 didn't well, yeah, probably forty years or so. I didn't talk to 148 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:50.519 my wife about it or my parents or anything like that. So that's about 149 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:54.840 it. Not very compelling. So how many lights were there? What color 150 00:12:54.919 --> 00:13:00.840 were they? Were they blinking not blinking? Like now that you've you got 151 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:03.279 older and got into the Air Force and everything, so you've become familiar with 152 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:09.039 all types of aircraft, I'm sure sure, Like, yeah, now you 153 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:13.279 know now as a trained absurd, it would be a different experience looking at 154 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:18.559 it. And the length of time was so brief because the direction it floated 155 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:24.600 was so if you read any of the Hudson Valley UFO books and anybody out 156 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:28.440 there that is interested in UFOs that is one of your fans. There's one 157 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:33.559 called Night Siege written by doctor j Allen Heinik, who was the Air Force's 158 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:39.159 chief scientist for a Project blue book, and he co wrote that with two 159 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:43.720 other less famous gentlemen. And then my friend Linda Zimmerman, who lives across 160 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:48.879 the Hudson River from where I'm from. She's written four or five books on 161 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:54.360 UFOs in the Hudson Valley. She actually interviewed a high school friend of mine 162 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:58.720 and her family because they all saw it at sort of backyard barbecue during the 163 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:03.759 day. I saw a triangular UFO. So Linda has four or five books, 164 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:07.480 so there's a lot of UFOs. There are a couple of stories that 165 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:13.320 Linda documented over this place called the Croton Reservoir, which would provide water for 166 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:18.440 like New York City from where we were from, and it's not very far 167 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:22.559 from my house, just a couple of miles, and this craft seemed to 168 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:28.320 be headed in that direction, and so I didn't see it for more than 169 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:31.279 a couple of seconds. And then all you were seeing was skyglow and not 170 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:37.200 even the actual lights on the craft. I couldn't tell you what color. 171 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:39.799 But when I looked at it, You're thinking, this looks like a close 172 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:45.159 encounters thing. It's just like you're just thinking, like this is not real. 173 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:48.559 Is this really happening? Like that's you know, it's one of those 174 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:52.440 mad if that makes sense. But it was so brief, which is why 175 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:54.960 I don't tell the story that often because there's really not a lot to tell 176 00:14:56.519 --> 00:15:01.320 compared to other people that have a protracted experience this whole thing. You know, 177 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:05.600 I've always had an interest. You know, you've recently heard my own 178 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:07.759 UFO story, which is also a nothing burger, as you put it. 179 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:18.960 But I mean I've heard since meeting you and becoming part of Calling All Beings, 180 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:24.440 I've heard some so many just amazing things and just learned so much in 181 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:30.440 such a short amount of time. But there's still a lot of confusion out 182 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:37.960 there. Is there a certain type of UFO that you believe you saw, 183 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:43.279 because I know there's different types that people commonly report. Is this just lights 184 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:48.639 in the sky, black triangle or any ideas on that. This looked like 185 00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:54.399 a craft with a series of lights on it. But I could not, 186 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:58.919 And this is the reason why I don't elaborate further, because I don't want 187 00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:03.639 to take a worry that's ancient and then try to add things to it to 188 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:08.639 make to add clarity that I don't have. So I couldn't see the shape 189 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:14.639 of it. It was the again, it was a dark sky and the 190 00:16:14.679 --> 00:16:18.120 tree line and I can actually search for this while we're on the so that 191 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:22.480 I can text you the photo of where my sight line was. So let 192 00:16:22.519 --> 00:16:26.440 me I'll do that. But I could not make out I'm seeing rear aspect 193 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:32.159 of the craft, and I could not make out any shape. I was 194 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:34.559 just kind of blown away from the lights. And then I'm talking to my 195 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:37.799 friend and going, you know, you know, holly bleep, and you 196 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:41.879 know it was those kind of things, right. But but in any case, 197 00:16:42.039 --> 00:16:45.799 Matt, you know that. That's why I just don't have enough to 198 00:16:47.039 --> 00:16:51.639 really, you know, give someone a great idea of what it was, 199 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:56.480 just because there wasn't enough, Um, there wasn't enough time of looking at 200 00:16:56.519 --> 00:17:00.039 it or seeing it at the right, either underneath, from the side, 201 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:04.599 something where I could get you know, get some clarity. Really it was 202 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:10.039 just from the rear. So what kind of distance away was it at the 203 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:15.279 time whenever you first saw it, Well you could be so. And that's 204 00:17:15.279 --> 00:17:18.000 why I'm looking for this photo because of the tree line. The tree line 205 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:23.039 formed your horizon, and so when it rose above that tree line, which 206 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:26.599 is above the main road here, I mean that was everything. You know, 207 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:32.960 you couldn't you couldn't see, you couldn't see past that. So this 208 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:36.559 one will give it to you. But this is winter, this is winter 209 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:40.519 time, so this is not a good one. And now at that tree 210 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:45.359 line there, imagine there's leaves on all these trees here, so it's gonna 211 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:51.119 be provide some pretty good cover. Right. So you standing at the base 212 00:17:51.160 --> 00:17:55.960 of that driveway walking up the hill right there, as you look up, 213 00:17:56.079 --> 00:18:00.519 all you can see of the sky is everything is just but that tree line 214 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:07.400 forms your horizon right right, So right there is where we would have um 215 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:11.640 where we would have seen it rise above the tree line, and once it 216 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:17.440 floated beyond that horizon, we couldn't see it anymore. Does that make sense, 217 00:18:17.599 --> 00:18:22.400 Yeah, because it wasn't high enough for you to be able to start 218 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:26.559 getting all these aspects. But when we saw it, it would it was 219 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:30.160 above I don't know where it emanated from, but when we saw it, 220 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:33.200 it lit up the whole sky. And that's what That's what got my attention, 221 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:37.279 is what would be lighting up the sky on a Sunday night. I 222 00:18:37.400 --> 00:18:40.200 mean nothing, Well, that's what I was going to ask you, if 223 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:44.079 you had any idea where it might have come from, like if it was 224 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:48.440 taking off from the ground, like what's in that area? Do you know? 225 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:52.920 No? I mean, really there is all. Uh, it's very 226 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:57.759 um what's the word that I'm looking for. Um, you know, the 227 00:18:57.799 --> 00:19:03.519 town counseled like, you can't build commercial things in these areas. So if 228 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:10.000 I were to drive you around these areas and over towards Croton Reservoir and stuff, 229 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:12.680 you it looks the same as when I was growing up here. There's 230 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:18.279 no commercial anything. There's no stores, there's no strip malls, there's no 231 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:22.759 anything. It looks just like there's very few developments that have even popped up. 232 00:19:23.559 --> 00:19:29.319 There's a few, but not many. So it looks very true to 233 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:33.759 form as it was back then. So I don't know where it came from. 234 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:38.519 When it came into my vision, is us you know, looking up 235 00:19:38.559 --> 00:19:41.359 that hill, walking up that hill and sade and we're just like, oh 236 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:45.839 my god, look that's a that's a UFO. I mean, that was 237 00:19:45.880 --> 00:19:48.839 what came to my mind. There was never any question about it. Did 238 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:55.519 you ever have any paranormal experiences or anything like that? Growing up? Was 239 00:19:55.599 --> 00:20:00.319 the UFO kind of the first thing that ever happened to you. The only 240 00:20:00.359 --> 00:20:04.799 thing that I can remember growing up, and our house was a colonial era 241 00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:10.960 house. I don't know if I would call it a tutor or not. 242 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:14.519 I'd have to ask my dad about that. The only claim to fame about 243 00:20:14.640 --> 00:20:21.079 is that Charles Lindberg's wife her family owned that house at one point, but 244 00:20:21.319 --> 00:20:26.240 it at one time. I remember doing something with curtains, either closing them 245 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:30.079 and then they opened, or opening them and then they closed, and that's 246 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:36.079 the only end, like coming back in. But never anything that was like 247 00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:37.640 on the level of what happened with you, you know what I mean. 248 00:20:38.079 --> 00:20:42.960 It was like scarier, nothing like that. But the paranormal and the unexplained 249 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:48.200 and things of that nature weren't something that you're really focused on or anything as 250 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:52.160 a kid, No, not at all. I didn't have anything happened, 251 00:20:53.240 --> 00:20:57.319 didn't mess with a weeg aboard or any of that kind of stuff, which 252 00:20:57.319 --> 00:21:03.960 again, do not mess with AUGI board for anyone, for anyone, leave 253 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:10.240 them alone, don't do it. I'm actually gonna send you a photo of 254 00:21:10.279 --> 00:21:12.079 me in high school with my high school friends at a house party. And 255 00:21:12.119 --> 00:21:15.240 I looked at it the other day because obviously, like I said, I 256 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:19.000 do a lot of stuff with my high school, my classmates and stuff. 257 00:21:19.400 --> 00:21:23.640 And I saw a photo and and and it said Wei, and like what 258 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:26.480 there was a Wegi board on the table, but I know we did not 259 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:32.759 play it. But I do know that that the mother of the person, 260 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:37.200 So the two girls that we were visiting at this home that the mother was 261 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:41.799 claimed to be a witch um. And the one thing that they had us 262 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:47.599 do one time was have someone lay on the floor. And the two girls 263 00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:49.839 said, let's do this light as a feather stiff as a board thing. 264 00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:55.720 Sure, and I remember that we lifted the person up with just fingertip. 265 00:21:55.920 --> 00:21:59.799 Uh, you know, you had just your index finger and there was like 266 00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:02.440 four of us. I think that we're doing. I don't remember if there's 267 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:06.519 four or six, but basically we lifted somebody up off the ground with that. 268 00:22:07.079 --> 00:22:11.599 Maybe that's how UFOs do all the amazing flying that they do. They 269 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:15.799 just got a group of kids, you know, as a feather stiff as 270 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:21.279 a board. So, now that you've been doing the you know, UFO 271 00:22:21.400 --> 00:22:25.680 podcast thing, you started branching out other areas. But I do want to 272 00:22:25.720 --> 00:22:33.279 ask you about the different types of UFOs. What are sort of you know, 273 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:38.359 the stereotypical main types of things that people observe. Well, you know, 274 00:22:38.359 --> 00:22:42.359 it depends on what era. Obviously everybody knows that in the early on 275 00:22:42.519 --> 00:22:47.359 in the forties and fifties, a lot of it was flying saucer. But 276 00:22:47.480 --> 00:22:52.160 then lu Alsando tells us that people in Europe they were saying they were seeing 277 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:56.440 a flying butane tank, which any of you that have had like a natural 278 00:22:56.480 --> 00:23:02.759 gas tank outside of your house, it would look like one of those cylindrical 279 00:23:02.839 --> 00:23:04.920 tanks and then it would have, you know, the sort of hookups in 280 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:11.480 the center of it in the cap. So people reported that although that wasn't 281 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:15.319 prevalent in our country. Now you guys have heard about tik taks. There's 282 00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:22.200 a few of those. Uh, you guys are aware of orbs. Recently 283 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:25.799 the Pentagon showed an ORB video. I think, I don't know if it 284 00:23:25.839 --> 00:23:30.279 was Afghanistan or I rock. I think where that that video is out, 285 00:23:30.319 --> 00:23:36.480 it's been a all around Twitter. So yeah, that's primarily what I've heard 286 00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:40.960 of is I've heard ORB And then I guess if we go to twenty fifteen, 287 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:45.920 the East Coast naviators, so not the Nimitz group, which was Dave 288 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:51.079 Fraver, Alex Dietrick, chat Underwood, they're the ones that encountered the tik 289 00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:56.759 tak off the coast of southern cow But in twenty fifteen, Ryan graves from 290 00:23:56.799 --> 00:24:02.160 them. I think it was the Theodore Roosevelt strike croup. I think it 291 00:24:02.319 --> 00:24:11.880 was those folks encountered the sphere inside a cube or cube inside a sphere of 292 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:15.880 one of those two. Yeah, I guess it was a cube inside of 293 00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:22.240 sphere, and as he pointed out, on number of occasions where the the 294 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:27.920 tips corners of the cube are are intersecting the sides of the sphere. So 295 00:24:29.079 --> 00:24:33.160 that was really really bizarre if you could imagine flying in an airplane and seeing 296 00:24:33.160 --> 00:24:37.079 a cube into sphere, because they said they saw it for over a year. 297 00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:44.680 So a lot of stuff has happened off the coast of California. I 298 00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:48.759 don't know how many people listening are interested in UFOs or to the degree that 299 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:55.680 I am. But one of the surprising things out there is a lot of 300 00:24:55.880 --> 00:25:02.839 UFO stuff is actually what's called USO and is coming from the water. What's 301 00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:07.480 some of the stories behind that, especially with you know, the West coast 302 00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:17.920 and everything. I think there's a hot spot outside of somewhere. It almost 303 00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:22.480 seems like San Diego or something where a lot of UFO activity has been seeing 304 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:27.799 with vessels or whatever you want to call them exiting the ocean and flying into 305 00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:32.440 the ocean. What's some of the stuff you've heard about that I've heard a 306 00:25:32.519 --> 00:25:37.720 number of them. I've heard them being clocked underwater by using sonar, which 307 00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:45.000 is you know, very typical of a submarine's navigational device, and distance measuring 308 00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:48.519 equipment and speed measuring equipment is sonar. And they talked about them doing mock 309 00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:53.480 underwater and people that understand, you know, a hydrostatic drag. You know 310 00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:57.279 how much I mean, we all know when you you know, swimming is 311 00:25:57.279 --> 00:26:00.200 based on being able as being is based on that, you know, being 312 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:04.759 able to cup your hand and propel your self forward, so to hit the 313 00:26:04.839 --> 00:26:11.160 kinds of speeds that usos are able to do, um without splashing when they 314 00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:15.079 go in the water. It just doesn't it doesn't make sense. It doesn't 315 00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:22.000 agree with our known physics, known physics. But apparently they didn't. They 316 00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:26.000 weren't taught those lessons of the constraints of our physics are Um, they didn't 317 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:30.839 show up at school that day. Um. So so there's that. Let's 318 00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:37.240 see what else is there. Um, there's something that happened in Puerto Rico 319 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:42.759 at an airport that's called Aguada. So if somebody were to google Aguada UFO 320 00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:47.960 video and it would be a you know, a g U A D I 321 00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:55.759 L L a um, you will see a Customs and Border Patrol aircraft that 322 00:26:56.000 --> 00:27:02.319 is tracking a object of un So it's sort of shape shifting as it's moving 323 00:27:02.319 --> 00:27:04.200 through the air. So just place that, put that in your mind, 324 00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:11.480 right, and it's moving. It's just flying with without care of anything, 325 00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:15.000 over houses, neighborhoods, right over an airfield like literally an active airfield. 326 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:18.839 It just they're probably obviously shut down air traffic. It flew just right across 327 00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:25.119 the airfield like nobody's business. Then out over the water and then it appears 328 00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:27.799 to go in the water and come out again and split in two, but 329 00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:36.480 without making a splash, without making a splash, Yes, it just it 330 00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:40.920 just kind of morphs into the water. It's a bizarre video. It's crazy. 331 00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:47.240 It's an amazing video. And the I think it's the SCU the Scientific 332 00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:52.599 Coalition for UFO Studies or something like that. They have a great write up. 333 00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:55.240 They did a you know, probably like a I don't know if it's 334 00:27:55.279 --> 00:28:00.880 thirteen page paper on that on that incident. So it's on blind you know, 335 00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:04.160 we don't know what that object was. You know, recently there was 336 00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:11.359 another big release by the government of UFO Information or UAP information as they call 337 00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:12.759 it. No, you know, Senate hearings and all that going on. 338 00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:18.759 Thank goodness, UFOs have finally reached government bureaucracy. I mean, that's going 339 00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:23.039 to really help things out. But I, you know, you and I 340 00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:26.720 had talked about this, and you know, this subject even came up on 341 00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:32.400 a recent episode of Calling All Beings, and I said, you know, 342 00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:36.279 I'm not even bothering and reading about it. You know, I already know 343 00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:40.440 that there's nothing to read. Well, I did run across an article the 344 00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:45.519 other day that caught my attention because it's already began. I don't remember who 345 00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:52.720 the you know, official was or anything, but apparently his whole thing was, 346 00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:59.240 we have not had any evidence that supports these are of an alien nature 347 00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:03.079 or from out of space, and they could be related to China, you 348 00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:07.799 know, got to throw that in there, But he said, they're not. 349 00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:15.759 We haven't had any official evidence that we found that they're doing anything beyond 350 00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:19.039 our current laws of physics according to our knowledge, right, And I'm just 351 00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:22.839 like, are you kidding me? With that, but he was talking about 352 00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:30.680 spherical shaped objects in the same sentence doing mock two. Now, how do 353 00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:38.279 you have something spherical shaped doing mock two through the air without any sort of 354 00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:44.839 propulsion being seen, no thermal trail to it at all. And then in 355 00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:48.119 the same breath say, we haven't seen anything break the laws of physics. 356 00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:52.440 I mean, what's going on? Say that? Yeah, okay, I 357 00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:57.880 didn't know that he said that. I mean, there are objects that projectiles 358 00:29:57.880 --> 00:30:02.599 that can fly through the air at that speed, but not you know, 359 00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:07.839 enter into controlled flight. And the key is without control surfaces. Because when 360 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:11.559 we talk about aircraft and we talk about control surfaces, we're talking about rutterers, 361 00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:17.519 ailerons, um elevators. You know, these type of steering mechanisms that 362 00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:22.960 give you pitch yaw roll, you know, all these what you know, 363 00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:27.319 what we call X y Z access and in aviation and without those you know, 364 00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:32.599 even even you know, like an Elon rocket when when they fire off 365 00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:36.319 those rockets there, as you can see, there are canards on those rockets 366 00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:40.880 that are steering at until it gets into you know, without air, and 367 00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:44.720 it's in outer space and now it's being controlled by you know, sort of 368 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:48.920 little steering propulsion mechanisms on the side that'll that'll give it that left you know, 369 00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:52.039 give it yaw and roll and all these other things. But when you're 370 00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:57.559 in the atmosphere, that's what we need to fly things that operate on Bernoulli's 371 00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:00.880 theorem. And you guys can have a look at that. That's basically all 372 00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:07.039 your your wing surfaces and control surfaces and lift is based on Bernoulli's theorem and 373 00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:11.720 then Newton's laws of motion, so for the propulsion aspect of it. So 374 00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:15.839 anyway, UM, I don't know that he said that. Um, but 375 00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:22.880 man, I have heard through I have I have heard that that there may 376 00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:29.240 be some breaks coming. Um. And that's really all I can That's really 377 00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:30.640 all I can say about that. I think there are a number of people 378 00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:37.519 saying that on Twitter. Um, people that you you know, sort of 379 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:41.599 are uh, you know, tangentially involved with through us and uh, I 380 00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:45.000 you know, ask somebody, and and I'm hearing the same thing. So 381 00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:51.400 now we'll just have to sit and wait. Um. But disclosure is in 382 00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:59.000 a far for advanced stage from where Bigfoot is. Unfortunately or fortunately for Bigfoot. 383 00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:04.160 Maybe one of the more recent conversations that you and I had had were 384 00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:12.559 about the possibility of you know, UAPs and UFOs being something other than alien 385 00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:15.200 in nature. I mean, I had just like I told you, you 386 00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:21.240 know, it's just always been aliens that come from outer space. But I 387 00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:24.480 guess some of the theories now are that that's not necessarily true. So like, 388 00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:30.599 whenever you talk about some of these murmurs you're hearing coming down the pipeline, 389 00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:37.480 are you talking about confirmation of any kind that these are alien nature or 390 00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:42.480 not alien in nature? No, Actually, what I was talking about is 391 00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:46.319 disclosure writ large, that a further level of disclosure. A lot of people 392 00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:52.400 are talking about that, and I'm hearing the same thing. So but what 393 00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:58.200 I do want to say is that you and I grew up the exact same 394 00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:00.920 way we thought. And by the way, you and I are going to 395 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:07.119 be interviewing Darcy Weir. Yeah, and Darcy is going to tell us about 396 00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:15.440 the space program and UAPs that they have encountered while in space that we're not 397 00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:21.200 reported or they were using code words or covering up so as not to alarm 398 00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:24.880 the public that there's something sort of transitting around our space vehicles while they're in 399 00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:30.599 orbit. So we're going to interview Darcy about that. So that does lead 400 00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:34.640 to you know, maybe, so what I like to say, Matt, 401 00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:42.759 when we have the discussion of are the origin of these unidentified craft or unidenti 402 00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:49.480 non human intelligences if we want to use that NHI word. Are they coming 403 00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:54.160 from somewhere else like outer space, or are they already prepositioned here on Earth 404 00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:59.440 and we only see them when they want us to see them for whatever reason. 405 00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:04.799 They can come through a portal, or they can appear in our reality 406 00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:07.680 so that we can see them, and that's why all these people are seeing 407 00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:14.679 them. Well, I don't believe necessarily in this or that I believe in 408 00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:21.840 this end that so, yes, there could be non human intelligences that are 409 00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:27.320 coming here have come here we're viewed by the Space program, perhaps that are 410 00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:32.000 from another planet or another galaxy or our galaxy in an area that we can't 411 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:37.400 see them. Perhaps, And I also there's significant evidence to suggest from people 412 00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:43.119 that have interacted with a phenomenon, just like we have people who have interacted 413 00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:51.079 with Bigfoot and have a significant advantage to people like me in analyzing behaviors because 414 00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:55.880 they've seen them and interacted with them. Well, people have seen and interacted 415 00:34:55.920 --> 00:35:00.440 with other intelligences. Believe it or not. It's sounds crazy to some of 416 00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:05.679 your Bigfoot people out there, but to some of them, what people would 417 00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:08.320 say about Bigfoot sounds crazy. But the fact of the matter is I believe 418 00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:13.920 both of you, and there are some of you out there who are probably 419 00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:20.840 you know, telling stories and maybe they're not they didn't actually happen, or 420 00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:24.480 you you know, in your mind they happen, but they didn't happen in 421 00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:29.960 the reality that somebody else could see. But the majority, the overwhelming majority 422 00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:34.840 of you that are telling these stories, I absolutely believe that you had this 423 00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:38.800 experience, whether it was seeing a craft. Uh, some people were abducted 424 00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:44.920 and and a lot of people have had interactions with Bigfoot. There's just no 425 00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:49.719 possibility that everybody's lying, you know, not the least of which is my 426 00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:53.239 friend Matt Knapp. So with that in mind, they say that a lot 427 00:35:53.320 --> 00:36:00.599 of them are maybe on Earth or part of our planet, but they're not 428 00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:06.400 in the same time space, they're not in our reality, but they can 429 00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:10.400 bring themselves into our reality when they want to, and that's what you know. 430 00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:15.320 Jeremy Corbell has a litany of videos. Do you guys want to see 431 00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:19.320 a video that blows my mind as an aviation junkie. There's a couple of 432 00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:25.480 them. Matt mentioned before about craft going into the water and out that happens 433 00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:30.679 on the USS Russell. You can you can watch a flare video where that 434 00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:35.679 happens and from the CIC you know, you hear them say splash, which 435 00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:38.519 just means it when in the water to actually splash. And you can also 436 00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:46.639 see this pyramid UFO video that Jeremy Corbell got from his sources in the Navy, 437 00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:54.880 and it was taken through a night vision equipped deck telescope if you will, 438 00:36:55.880 --> 00:37:01.519 and it was I want to say, seven feet off the water and 439 00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:07.400 within half a mile of the ship something like that. It is absolutely amazing 440 00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:13.599 when I see it. It's one of the most amazing videos out there because 441 00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:16.880 nobody can explain what it is. I can't because I know that pyramids don't 442 00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:24.440 fly, not using our version of aerodynamics. But they obviously have figured out 443 00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:29.800 other ways to do things like flying a tik tak that Dave Framer saw, 444 00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:36.119 and they don't need all those things that we have like thermodynamic propulsion and Bernoulli 445 00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:43.480 control surfaces and so forth, and powered flight as we know it. So 446 00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:46.679 there you have it. One of the things that I find kind of interesting 447 00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:53.079 about UFO sidings is, you know, you were talking about the different types 448 00:37:53.360 --> 00:38:00.000 depending on what era they were seeing. Tell me you can disagree, it's 449 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:07.239 fine. Do you notice that it seems like a lot of UFO sidings over 450 00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:13.039 the years, It's almost as if the technology has progressed for the UFOs themselves. 451 00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:15.079 How it kind of started all with like flying saucers and now we're at 452 00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:20.760 like this liquid metallic looking thing. Yeah, I heard one of those the 453 00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:23.480 other day that was amazing. It said the skin looked like liquid metallic. 454 00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:28.920 I've heard a number of experiences say they believe the skin of the aircraft is 455 00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:35.199 alive. I've heard somebody say that there are wave guides in the skin that 456 00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:39.119 carry all these signals in the electricity if you will, that runs the different 457 00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:43.719 systems that are wave guides in the skin, which, of course, yeah, 458 00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:45.079 that's how they would do it. They wouldn't do it with a bunch 459 00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:52.000 of cable wire bundles like we would do it. So it has it evolved. 460 00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:55.400 It's possible. But to know that Matt and using this as a very 461 00:38:55.400 --> 00:39:00.559 sort of Matt nappying way to look at it. We would have to know 462 00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:05.920 what those what sort of systems that those that those saucers had, and if 463 00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:10.679 we knew that, we could juxtapose that against what the what what we've noticed 464 00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:14.960 from the TIC TAC. But without knowing that, it's just saying, you 465 00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:17.559 know, it's a different shape because we would have to have more data to 466 00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:21.840 go on. You know, what type of maneuvers did it perform? Was 467 00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:24.840 it silent um, did it shoot off? Did it shoot straight up? 468 00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:29.000 You know, uh, and silent throughout. I mean, so there's a 469 00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:31.440 lot of things we would have to know before we could we could make that 470 00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:36.360 leap to say that one technology is more advanced, but it is true that 471 00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:39.519 people are seeing more of one than the other these days. Yeah, that's 472 00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:45.760 an interesting point. Uh, certainly unanswerable at this point. I mean a 473 00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:50.079 lot of factors would come into play. You know, if it's coming from 474 00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:53.280 the same source for instance, you know, different things could have different types 475 00:39:53.320 --> 00:40:00.639 of technology. Obviously there's something that has technology, if that even the right 476 00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:04.519 word. We don't even know that this is technology, but something very different 477 00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:08.960 than anything we have or or are aware of at this point in humanity for 478 00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:14.840 sure, right right, That's that's the key, is that. Um So 479 00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:19.039 when when when I tell people I think I went over this on Brian's show, 480 00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:22.280 is when you're looking at a craft and you're you know, if you're 481 00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:27.880 one of these people that has the great fortune to be able to get a 482 00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:30.039 you know, a protracted view of it, a view where you could sit 483 00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:34.360 and look at it and start going through a mental checklist. And I'm not 484 00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:37.000 saying take out your cell phone, but okay, what's it doing? First 485 00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:42.159 of all, is it silent? It is it relatively close to me where 486 00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:45.239 I can see a fully fleshed out craft. So if the answers, yes, 487 00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:50.559 all right, this is awesome. Now do I hear anything? Because 488 00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:55.039 everything that we have that's going to be able. And now is it making 489 00:40:55.079 --> 00:41:00.920 maneuvers that look like it's consistent with an aircraft or can it just hover and 490 00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:05.719 then move at these sort of ninety degree angles, be it rapidly or not? 491 00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:08.239 If it can do it silently, well, if it's silent, okay, 492 00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:12.840 there's a dirigible technology that are pretty silent. You know, they're filled 493 00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:15.960 with air, but they don't make rapid changes of direction, right, And 494 00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:21.679 they don't make ninety degree turns. So what did they say? You know, 495 00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:24.360 nothing in nature is a right angle this kind of thing. So we 496 00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:30.000 would be looking at things like that and saying, okay, there's no sound, 497 00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:35.440 and now it's moving kind of weird, or it's hovering there. Anything 498 00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:40.400 aircraft that hovers, it takes a significant amount of energy, whether we're talking 499 00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:45.079 about a helicopter, whether we're talking about a V twenty two osprey, whether 500 00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:51.719 we're talking about propeller drone. Like you can buy anything that hovers for a 501 00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:55.320 long period time, it uses a lot of energy because when you start moving 502 00:41:55.320 --> 00:42:00.239 the craft forward, like even a helicopter. When a helicopter starts to move 503 00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:05.079 forward, there's something called translational lift that occurs, and it becomes a lot 504 00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:09.320 safer vehicle to operate with some forward momentum than when you try to just straight 505 00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:14.559 hover it. Because the blades of a helicopter what a lot of people don't 506 00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:17.360 know a lot of people know that when you pull up on that stick, 507 00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:22.960 you know that what's known as the collective in a helicopter, the blades will 508 00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:27.639 angle down and start biting more air, and that's how you lift off a 509 00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:31.920 lot of people know that but what they don't know is that the rotor blades 510 00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:37.119 of a helicopter are shaped exactly the same as an aircraft wing, and that's 511 00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:44.320 why the FA refers to them as rotary wing as opposed to necessarily helicopter. 512 00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:46.920 That's just one of the terms use, but rotary wing. And when you 513 00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:52.280 propel that through the air forward, it becomes a lot easier to maintain flight 514 00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:58.480 than it does when you hover. So again, this is why sometimes it 515 00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:02.480 doesn't have to go at mocks X from a standstill to be incredible. When 516 00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:07.880 we see a UAP do that, it can be just hover like like uh, 517 00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:14.039 Ryan Grave said, one of those cubanis sphere things was hovering at the 518 00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:17.840 entry way to their working airspace or that the Navy had booked over off the 519 00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:22.639 coast of Virginia and it's set there for eight hours. So think about that, 520 00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:25.079 Matt, I mean, we don't eight hours. I mean I know 521 00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:30.880 somewhere in my rolodex at some point I was watching something and they were talking 522 00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:37.320 about how a helicopter can't hover in one spot for too long or we'll just 523 00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:39.360 fall to the ground, like it'll use up all the air beneath it or 524 00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:45.400 something something happens, and it can be very dangerous to do that. Yes, 525 00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:49.880 and that's just yeah, that's just one aspect, and that's you know 526 00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:52.599 there. I don't think there's a helicopter on Earth that could hover for eight 527 00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:57.440 hours without running out of gas. True, So that that's that's that's another 528 00:43:57.480 --> 00:44:00.719 thing. So there's there's a lot of aspects to this that make them unique. 529 00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:05.159 And it's not just that it moves fast, but that it's doing so 530 00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:09.360 silently, it's doing so without a visible sign of propulsion. It's moving in 531 00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:15.079 ways that are not consistent with what we call aircraft. And that's why the 532 00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:22.000 UAP term is really good because unidentified flying object indicates to us that is flying. 533 00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:25.559 But the fact of the matter is maybe it's not flying. Maybe it's 534 00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:30.679 doing something that is not what we understand to be flying. It just happens 535 00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:35.559 to be moving through our sky or moving through our airspace, if you will, 536 00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:39.400 but not obeying the laws of air. You know, this tic TAC 537 00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:45.119 doing this sort of Mexican standoff you if you will, with Dave Fraser, 538 00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:49.599 where they're circling one another, no control surfaces. You know, here's Dave, 539 00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:54.039 Dave Fraser probably in a sixty degree bank trying to maintain the circle and 540 00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:58.559 get behind this thing, and this thing is like, no, you won't 541 00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:00.679 get behind me. I'm going to keep you right over there, one hundred 542 00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:06.360 and eighty degrees across circle from me. Pretty intelligent. Yeah, yeah, 543 00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:12.599 that that shows some definite intelligence. It's not just a balloon sitting there right 544 00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:16.679 some would want to believe or lead us to believe. And it's orbiting around 545 00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:22.400 there without any ailerons to control its role, without any elevator to keep the 546 00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:28.079 nose of it up. It just just going around in a circle. It's 547 00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:31.920 it's really nuts. Yeah. So now we're gonna skip over to the next 548 00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:40.800 lily pad. Money Nathan the Money your your cohort? You will yep? 549 00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:50.519 Yeah, great guy, very knowledgeable guy. How did he get you interested 550 00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:54.480 in Bigfoot? One of the most amazing human beings you'll meet is a money 551 00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:59.599 Nathan Um just one of those people, like you said, you know, 552 00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:04.320 he comes in your life and you're just like wow, man, So Nathan 553 00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:08.119 had Um, I don't know, I don't know what this was about, 554 00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:13.800 but he sent me an episode of Sasquatch Chronicles. You know, everybody who 555 00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:19.280 pays attention to Bigfoot knows that And I listened to one and it was so 556 00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:22.719 visceral, as you know. And then from there I just started looking for 557 00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:29.679 more and more and more bigfoot podcasts. That's how I found you, and 558 00:46:29.679 --> 00:46:31.599 and that was it. I was just like, I am so interested in 559 00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:35.880 this topic. I think for a while the Cabby's thought that I was just 560 00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:40.000 totally gonna leave UFOs behind and just you know, all I wanted to talk 561 00:46:40.039 --> 00:46:44.320 about was Bigfoot. But the fact of the matter is, I believe we 562 00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:46.239 need to talk all three, you know. And I've had those discussions, 563 00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:52.159 and I just fell in love with the topic and started consuming material, listening 564 00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:58.880 to people figuring out hypothesizing, been out in the field a couple of times, 565 00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:04.960 and just I'm just as fascinated with it as as as any topic that's 566 00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:12.599 out there. I just love the talking about bigfoot. Well, what is 567 00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:16.119 the most interesting aspect of bigfoot? What what's drawn you in? And just 568 00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:22.679 grabbed a hold of you like that, This is a great question, um 569 00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:29.280 once drawn me and I I think it's because there is a creature out there 570 00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:37.119 that has been able to leverage it's innate intellect and the size of its brain, 571 00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:40.079 which I guess is, while not as big as ours, is bigger 572 00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:49.079 than you know perhaps other you know primates. And then it's knowledge and been 573 00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:52.199 able to the fact that, uh, you know, as as Ron Moore 574 00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:57.159 had said that potentially there's a language being spoken here, there's a family unit. 575 00:47:58.239 --> 00:48:04.719 Um, there's a security system that they've created around reportedly around the dens 576 00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:09.559 and and and bed down areas that they were berthing areas, whatever you want 577 00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:14.960 to call it. Um. And I just think that was amazing. And 578 00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:19.679 I said, boy, I really want to know more about this creature and 579 00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:22.079 its culture, if you will, if I can, if I can be 580 00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:29.360 so bold to call in a culture. You just recently attended. Was it 581 00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:35.480 your first bigfoot conference? It was? It was wow, wow, your 582 00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:40.840 first? How did that go? You went to the o'calla Bigfoot conference? 583 00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:45.719 Yes, yep, the great found How was it? Um? It was 584 00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:49.599 enjoyable. It was very enjoyable. The ladies that I went out in the 585 00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:55.000 woods with from Ocalaba, I think they're called Bigfoot World and crypt Bigfoot World 586 00:48:55.119 --> 00:49:00.320 is basically the name of the group Cryptids and Paranormal. They they kind of 587 00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:04.760 do it all, but they're really really focused on Bigfoot. Cathy Westerman is 588 00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:08.039 sort of the head of that group, and Pam Esper and Becky Rawlinson, 589 00:49:08.480 --> 00:49:14.480 all three of those ladies spoke were the second speakers I believe at the event 590 00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:21.320 after RPG spoke UM and UM. I really enjoyed it. I mean, 591 00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:24.639 if I if there's one thing I wish I would have done, I would 592 00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:29.800 have gone around to some of the vendors and asked them this question. You 593 00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:34.760 know that why are you? You know, because they've always thought if Bigfoot 594 00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:39.519 had the ability to understand, because they don't, they wouldn't understand m money, 595 00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:43.719 you know, they wouldn't understand this human thing that we have, you 596 00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:46.280 know, this money and trade and barter. Maybe they understand barter, that's 597 00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:50.960 possible with with with the natives, you would know more about that than I. 598 00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:58.719 But how fascinated people are with them as a species that they've created all 599 00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:04.039 the you know, every kind of trinket and T shirt and sellable good and 600 00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:08.960 key chain and everything you can imagine people have created as a result, if 601 00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:14.760 not solely based on their fascination with Bigfoot. And it's potentially it's culture, 602 00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:22.920 but at least the specter that that exists. Bigfoot and pop culture never ceases 603 00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:28.920 to amaze me. I mean it's something I think about a lot. Okay, 604 00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:34.320 because I'm into pop culture anyways. I'm into comic books, action figures, 605 00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:37.760 you know, all that stuff. A product of the eighties and nineties. 606 00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:42.960 Jeez, dating myself here, But I mean whenever it comes to these 607 00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:46.840 type subjects, I mean, just take the Lockness Monster. The Lockness Monster 608 00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:53.039 is globally known. I would dare say that as many people have heard of 609 00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:59.639 the Lockness Monster as have heard of Bigfoot. But you don't see the Locknest 610 00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:04.480 Monster or being used to market things everywhere like you do Bigfoot. I mean 611 00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:07.480 even from like just YETI coolers just using the name. But you see like 612 00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:12.400 Bigfoot all the time, you know, you see it everywhere. You see 613 00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:16.480 on all kinds of different products, and especially in the past ten years or 614 00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:22.320 so, Bigfoot has just become a symbol that people just you know, buy 615 00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:25.880 stickers and T shirts and everything else who don't even necessarily believe in Bigfoot. 616 00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:29.280 They just want a Bigfoot sticker on the back of their jeep as they drive 617 00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:32.760 around town. It's crazy to me, It's just absolutely nuts to me. 618 00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:37.599 What's the fascination, man, Well, yeah, I was going to ask 619 00:51:37.639 --> 00:51:40.280 you, because I think you're gonna ask me that question, I'll ask you 620 00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:45.239 that question. I don't know. I think it might have something to do 621 00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:52.000 with we. You know, I've heard some people theorize that don't necessarily believe 622 00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:59.119 bigfoot is real, that bigfoot is something that man has created because it it's 623 00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:04.079 something that we all yearn to be, to get back to that primitive connection 624 00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:07.880 with you know, nature and being free and wild and not confined by the 625 00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:15.079 rules of society and everything. Maybe that's it. I don't know. Maybe 626 00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:16.840 they just think it looks cool. Maybe they just think it's cute. I 627 00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:23.079 really have no idea whenever it comes to that one. It's but it's become 628 00:52:23.079 --> 00:52:28.519 a trend. Bigfoot is trendy, which is kind of scary to me. 629 00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:32.760 But what do you think, man? I think I think it's possible that 630 00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:39.239 that whether people want to admit it or not. They So you have all 631 00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:44.559 those people that have had encounters or heard of encounters, people that have heard 632 00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:47.400 of encounters like me through people like you, Matt, that have had encounters, 633 00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:52.000 say I want to have that happen and see how it feels and see 634 00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:57.960 how I react and hear it potentially and feel it. So there's that aspect, 635 00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:05.199 and the second aspect is is would that creature see something in me? 636 00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:08.280 You know, I want to see it. I want to see what it 637 00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:13.280 does, how it lives, because it's so mysterious, how it is able 638 00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:16.840 to how they are able to survive as they do, and so there's so 639 00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:22.360 much intrigue there, whereas Lockness monster a lot. You know, first of 640 00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:27.199 all, there's very few people who have ever seen it, certainly haven't interacted 641 00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:30.440 with it. You know, in Bigfoot, potentially there are people that cohabitate 642 00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:36.519 with them and see them regularly, or you know, or feeding them or 643 00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:40.840 maybe just have them come to their property just because the family group that's nearby 644 00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:47.679 has resources and and is you know, if you know this creature, you 645 00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:52.719 can't see how you know, Vic says this all the time, Vic Caundiff, 646 00:53:52.800 --> 00:54:00.760 You can't find it difficult to believe that with them as as Vic says, 647 00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:04.800 them being bored out in the woods, that they wouldn't want to come 648 00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:07.800 up to somebody's house and look in the window and see what the hell is 649 00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:12.199 going on or look in the family room. Right for sure, that's not 650 00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:16.039 I mean, I mean anything that's even you know, I mean, if 651 00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:20.519 there was a guerrilla there, they might want to do that if they lived, 652 00:54:20.679 --> 00:54:23.480 you know, in the Tennessee Valley, you know, River Valley somewhere. 653 00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:29.039 I mean. So, so a lot of these things feed into something 654 00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:32.400 that we can relate to. For all these reasons, you know, for 655 00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:36.840 the people that just want to have the craps scared out of them and run 656 00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:38.639 back to the car and never do it again. To the people that just 657 00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:42.360 want like me, who just want to see what it feels like, sounds 658 00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:46.559 like, smells like, looks like. To people that you know, um, 659 00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:51.159 want to go out and hunt one and kill one and bring it in 660 00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:55.000 for science and become famous. So there's all these different aspects of it. 661 00:54:55.360 --> 00:55:00.639 But I think at the at the root of it, all of no matter 662 00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:05.440 whether you want to go and take one down like some of the groups out 663 00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:08.440 there, or somebody who just wants to see when you want to understand how 664 00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:13.079 it is they do what they do, how they can hide. We believe 665 00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:15.599 it exists, and that's why we're like, you know, and maybe that 666 00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:19.719 gets back to what you said, you know, maybe there's a certain freedom 667 00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:23.039 aspect or something. But I think that's what begets all the stickers, and 668 00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:28.960 then there's just a certain amount of commercialization in anything that's popular. I think 669 00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:34.079 at the heart of a lot of it is for people who don't know, 670 00:55:34.519 --> 00:55:38.320 or they might be on the fence, or even some people that think they 671 00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:44.880 don't exist at all, they still want to think that they might. They 672 00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:49.840 want them to exist. They think the concept of them existing and saying hidden 673 00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:55.320 so long it is a good thing that you know, there's this land out 674 00:55:55.320 --> 00:56:01.440 there that something like that could still survive and live and thrive and continue on 675 00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:07.480 that man hasn't ruined or disturbed or you know, completely destroyed altogether. I 676 00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:12.719 think that desire for them to be real is strong in a lot of people, 677 00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:15.480 even if it's on as simple like they've only thought about the subject one 678 00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:21.239 time in their life as they bought the coffee mug or something. They still 679 00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:24.000 think it would be cool if this thing did exist. And then there's a 680 00:56:24.039 --> 00:56:30.119 certain group of people that are very very invested in it not existing, because 681 00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:37.239 if it exists, if UFOs exists, if ghosts and Poulter guides exist, 682 00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:43.880 right which you happen to know that all three of these things exist, But 683 00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:46.920 if it exists, then I need to worry about it, and I need 684 00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:52.679 to account for the fact that there is something that I cannot control with a 685 00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:59.159 forty four magnum. Yeah, and that does not make me comfortable. And 686 00:56:59.239 --> 00:57:02.400 if you're going to change my worldview and bring and push me out of my 687 00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:07.239 comfort zone, I'm going to push back on you and say this thing does 688 00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:13.840 not exist because that makes me feel good. Yeah. So there's that exactly. 689 00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:19.440 I know a skeptic, a very strong skeptic in the bigfoot where. 690 00:57:19.519 --> 00:57:24.639 He's really famous in the bigfoot community, the online bigfoot community. He has 691 00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:30.920 a very popular Facebook group. I'm not going to say his name, but 692 00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:34.880 this guy, if he's listening, which he does, listen to Bigfoot podcasts 693 00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:40.000 all the time. He and I have butted heads and agreed numerous times over 694 00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:44.000 the years. I haven't talked to him in a long time. I got 695 00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:49.400 kind of peoed at him. But his stance is that, or at least 696 00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:52.360 the last time I spoke with him, that he thinks there's a chance it's 697 00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:58.360 all just psychological and nobody's actually seen a bigfoot in Bigfoot's not real. He 698 00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:02.480 has not seen anything to con vince him that Bigfoot exists. Great yet in 699 00:58:02.519 --> 00:58:07.960 private conversations that he and I had, he openly admitted that his daughter saw 700 00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:14.360 one. Okay, so then he fits quite well into that category, doesn't 701 00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:19.159 he. Yeah, absolutely, the aforementioned Yeah, yeah, yeah. That 702 00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:24.159 is a place of comfort and it's a security blankie. Nothing exists that is 703 00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:31.039 out of my control that I can't fathom that I can't take out with my 704 00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:36.360 you know, my seven mag or whatever I mean. But the fact of 705 00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:38.199 the matter is there are things that are that are out of our control, 706 00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:44.480 and I mean, I can't prove that. And what I'm really happy about 707 00:58:44.599 --> 00:58:50.159 is I don't have to prove it. I don't have to prove any I 708 00:58:50.239 --> 00:58:54.079 tell people when people start getting bent around the axle about to bunkers, and 709 00:58:54.159 --> 00:58:58.400 I'm not going to name them either, because when people name them, they 710 00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:01.239 just they just it's like seeing up their power meter in a in a in 711 00:59:01.280 --> 00:59:06.519 one of these online games. Um, I don't have to prove anything to 712 00:59:06.559 --> 00:59:09.840 you, so you can either believe it or not believe it. I don't 713 00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:15.039 care. I'm here to find out for myself, um and to talk with 714 00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:19.760 people about it if that I think are credible about it. But I really 715 00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:22.840 don't care if somebody says there's no such thing as UFOs because they would have 716 00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:25.960 said that a couple of years ago. Well, they're not saying that now 717 00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:31.760 because now it's been it's it's it's been vetted by the government by uh, 718 00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:35.280 you know, they've come out and said, hey, you know, we're 719 00:59:35.320 --> 00:59:39.840 going to throw some money at this. They're credible aviators, both commercial and 720 00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:45.599 excuse me, a civil commercial aviators and military aviators would come out and said 721 00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:52.880 they've had these encounters. Plus police officers that are in our communities have seen 722 00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:55.559 them. Uh, and they've also seen Bigfoot. So I mean, you 723 00:59:55.559 --> 00:59:59.280 can say it doesn't exist. That makes you feel good, But you know, 724 00:59:59.599 --> 01:00:04.000 how a nut I wanted to ask you. I know you've been out 725 01:00:04.039 --> 01:00:07.920 in the field with Tyler Howe who was on episode fifty five of big Foot 726 01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:10.679 Crossroads. If anybody wants to check it out, did ye did you happen 727 01:00:10.719 --> 01:00:14.920 to bump into him at the conference? Was he there? I did not 728 01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:21.039 see Tyler there. Um I did see his friend Stacy Brown Junior spoke with 729 01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:24.679 him a little bit. I saw, I saw. I spoke with run 730 01:00:24.679 --> 01:00:29.119 Moorehead a little bit, dropped a card off with him. I talked with 731 01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:35.239 doctor Jeff Meldrum a little bit. And I spoke with Dave Politis, who 732 01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:40.320 probably won't be appearing with us based on his standards, but it would be 733 01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:45.880 interesting to have him and offshoot into missing persons a little bit. But no, 734 01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:50.800 I didn't see Tyler down there. What was your time like out in 735 01:00:50.840 --> 01:00:52.960 the field with Tyler? Oh? It was great, man, when we 736 01:00:53.079 --> 01:00:58.280 enjoyed it. Um. You know, he gave me some tips along with 737 01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:04.320 the guy that was with him, and um, you know, we we 738 01:01:04.440 --> 01:01:07.400 basically sat around the fire. We thought we heard one call from way far 739 01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:13.400 away, but but nothing significant happened that night. But but I enjoyed that 740 01:01:13.480 --> 01:01:17.679 time. And we went out another time and um, I think the only 741 01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:22.280 thing we might have found looked like a twisted tree. Um. And then 742 01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:28.400 I went out one area that you you recommended based on your your matrix, 743 01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:32.440 but my wife chickened out and wanted to come back. So chicking out, 744 01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:37.559 yeah, she just you know, we're deep in the woods. She heard 745 01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:39.079 a woodpecker and got scared, you know. But she's a city girl, 746 01:01:39.880 --> 01:01:44.840 so you know, Um, so I need to hit that area again. 747 01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:51.519 And obviously in Pensacola, met met a moneymaker rode up in area on bfr 748 01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:55.360 row that uh in Pensacola that I think is worthy of some investigation. So, 749 01:01:57.000 --> 01:02:01.039 you know, in the big Foot world, there's a lot of arguments, 750 01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:05.559 you know, we don't get her, we don't get her along very 751 01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:09.119 well, a lot of dividing lines that people have drawn in the sand, 752 01:02:09.719 --> 01:02:15.159 and the biggest of all at this point in time has to be, you 753 01:02:15.199 --> 01:02:21.440 know, flesh and blood versus the wu. Are these things an undiscovered species 754 01:02:21.480 --> 01:02:28.679 of primate and that's it? Or do they have abilities that we don't comprehend 755 01:02:29.079 --> 01:02:34.599 or have an explanation for. What is your position on that? Um? 756 01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:39.519 You know, my position, based on you know, anecdotal evidence from everybody 757 01:02:39.559 --> 01:02:44.599 that you've heard, is perhaps both are true. I mean, first of 758 01:02:44.599 --> 01:02:47.599 all, I certainly believe it's a flesh and blood animal. But the way 759 01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:52.960 I think of it, and we've spoken about this privately, and we've spoken 760 01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:55.519 about it on CAB as well, which is what we call calling all beings, 761 01:02:55.519 --> 01:03:00.800 we just called CAB for short. Um. So, if I were 762 01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:05.920 to say to you, Matt, does every person that you know have the 763 01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:13.199 same psychic ability or ability to project and use their mind in a powerful way? 764 01:03:13.719 --> 01:03:19.880 Do they have the ability or are they able to use it manifested the 765 01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:22.960 ability, because potentially we all have it. The easy answer is no, 766 01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:28.199 not everyone can do that. Yeah, potentially we could all manifest it. 767 01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:35.199 Right but right correct. But there are people that are able to go into 768 01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:42.000 a home and communicate with spirits and find out like Amy Ellen, that can 769 01:03:42.039 --> 01:03:47.199 find out an entire history nearly just from being in the home and find out 770 01:03:47.239 --> 01:03:52.760 what happened there. So you have people that can interact with them, that 771 01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:57.199 can ask them to leave you. So you have people that have different mental 772 01:03:57.199 --> 01:04:02.639 abilities. You have these remote viewers, you know the Ingo Swan students from 773 01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:08.039 that study I think was done at as Stanford and then the CIA got involved. 774 01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:15.440 But there was I want to say his name was Pat Smith. I 775 01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:18.639 may have the first name wrong. I could go back and check, but 776 01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:26.719 he was a prolific remote viewer in that program with the CIA, and this 777 01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:31.320 gentleman could you could give him a set of coordinates and he would go and 778 01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:38.320 the program written large had like a seventy percent success rate. But he could 779 01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:40.639 given a set of coordinates, he could say, Yeah, I see a 780 01:04:40.679 --> 01:04:47.639 big corrugated aluminum building. I see a crane next to it and I see 781 01:04:47.920 --> 01:04:53.599 a huge pile of shellstone, you know, something like that, And that 782 01:04:54.000 --> 01:05:00.719 particular target was in somewhere in the Soviet Union. So you know, there 783 01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:04.559 are people that have this ability, that can do this. So why is 784 01:05:04.599 --> 01:05:12.280 it that some Bigfoot could potentially have an ability that other bigfoots do not, 785 01:05:13.880 --> 01:05:18.920 that some of them might be able to or have a desire to mind speak 786 01:05:19.039 --> 01:05:24.519 and some do not, or don't know how or just don't want to. 787 01:05:25.039 --> 01:05:29.480 Is that possible? Is within the realm of possibility? I submit that it 788 01:05:29.599 --> 01:05:38.000 is. And so humans, if you believe this, have been interacted with 789 01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:45.239 non human intelligences, been abducted, receive downloads from a number of people that 790 01:05:45.519 --> 01:05:49.320 I've spoken with. Actually, you know friends of mine have had this happen. 791 01:05:50.280 --> 01:05:55.480 So is it possible that Bigfoot has also had this happen, or that 792 01:05:55.519 --> 01:06:00.599 a non human intelligence has seen fit to leverage big Foot in that way and 793 01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:04.920 have one come through a portal or exit a portal. We talked about the 794 01:06:04.920 --> 01:06:11.079 mechanics of portal. It's like mind blowing because we don't understand how they open, 795 01:06:11.159 --> 01:06:15.199 how they call all these sorts of things about portals. So is it 796 01:06:15.239 --> 01:06:21.559 is it possible that that that bigfoot has been used in that way. You 797 01:06:21.599 --> 01:06:26.519 know, I really liked H. T. J. Allard is that his 798 01:06:26.599 --> 01:06:30.519 last name, yep. I really liked his take on portals and how just 799 01:06:30.559 --> 01:06:34.719 the nomenclature alone kind of paints a picture of something that we don't even know 800 01:06:34.840 --> 01:06:42.400 for certain as happening. That it may not be some you know, doorway 801 01:06:42.440 --> 01:06:46.559 from here to there as much as it is just sort of a materialization or 802 01:06:46.639 --> 01:06:53.519 manifestation that occurs. I thought that was really interesting. Oh, we don't 803 01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:58.480 know, right, But do we have to get bent around the axle in 804 01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:03.960 the language or kid and we see that maybe something's afoot here? You know, 805 01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:11.440 we had terry on no fun intended? Did there that there is something 806 01:07:11.480 --> 01:07:14.920 too it? Regardless of what the language is, because if we had caught 807 01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:17.320 up in the language, then we're looking for a reason to say it's bullshit. 808 01:07:18.159 --> 01:07:24.880 I find it kind of childish a lot of the times, and I'm 809 01:07:24.920 --> 01:07:27.960 as guilty of it as anyone. Okay, I get caught up in it. 810 01:07:28.119 --> 01:07:31.079 I do because I'm passionate about the subject. Anytime you're passionate about a 811 01:07:31.079 --> 01:07:38.440 subject, it's easy to get drawn into these arguments. However, is this 812 01:07:38.599 --> 01:07:44.559 something we should even be worrying about, let alone arguing about Yet. I 813 01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:46.519 mean, isn't that kind of put in the cart before the horse? It 814 01:07:46.599 --> 01:07:50.599 is what something we should be worried about, whether they're flesh and blood or 815 01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:57.119 have these other abilities that we can't comprehend. I mean, I mean, 816 01:07:57.199 --> 01:08:00.920 shouldn't we be out there, you know, trying to learn about them and 817 01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:06.239 just let the learning come to us as opposed to just creating these scenarios ourselves, 818 01:08:06.280 --> 01:08:10.920 just going off our own observations and letting that dictate where we go. 819 01:08:11.760 --> 01:08:16.119 Sure, but then somebody's experience, you know, if somebody saw what you 820 01:08:16.119 --> 01:08:20.920 know, just like Terry helped me with the guy from South Carolina and the 821 01:08:20.920 --> 01:08:29.279 gentleman. We had one Ered Windell that was out there, and those he 822 01:08:29.399 --> 01:08:33.479 and his team of professionals, now people that trusted people in your community. 823 01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:40.600 Um, you know the paramedic guy and you know all these other folks that 824 01:08:40.680 --> 01:08:45.159 said, we saw a portal, We saw these people walk into this this 825 01:08:45.319 --> 01:08:47.800 area and they like disappeared off the therm, and when they backed up, 826 01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:53.640 we saw them again. So um, so yes, you're right, you 827 01:08:53.680 --> 01:08:57.600 know, we should go out and study them and find out absolutely as much 828 01:08:57.640 --> 01:09:01.399 as we can. But if someone had a viscer experience like yours, why 829 01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:05.359 shouldn't they be able to talk about it? Oh they should, They should 830 01:09:05.359 --> 01:09:12.760 it absolutely. I just think we make a mistake whenever there's it just becomes 831 01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:20.000 this argument just instantly. It's not a matter of this is what I experienced. 832 01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:24.159 You tell me what you experienced, and we'll talk about it. It's 833 01:09:24.680 --> 01:09:28.119 this is what I experienced. Oh you experienced something different, Well then I 834 01:09:28.159 --> 01:09:32.279 know more than you do. You're Wrong's just the first place it goes. 835 01:09:32.680 --> 01:09:35.680 And it's both sides that are guilty of it too. It's not just one 836 01:09:35.760 --> 01:09:41.000 or the other. It's the most human thing ever. But it doesn't really 837 01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:43.159 have to go there. I mean, it's just like if I had that 838 01:09:43.239 --> 01:09:45.720 experience now and I were on Twitter or in this case, you know, 839 01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:50.279 the big the UFO world operates on Twitter, the big folk world operates on 840 01:09:50.279 --> 01:09:55.079 Facebook. I wouldn't have that argument. I would say this happened if they 841 01:09:55.079 --> 01:09:57.199 said, yeah, you're full of it or whatever. And first of all, 842 01:09:57.199 --> 01:10:00.119 I wouldn't even have a chat with somebody about it like that. I 843 01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:02.920 would want to talk to a fellow, you know, like a podcast or 844 01:10:02.960 --> 01:10:06.880 something. But I'm not going to just expose myself to the big Foot universe 845 01:10:06.880 --> 01:10:10.800 and say, yeah, this happened. I mean, wait for somebody to 846 01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:14.840 come come back and you know, give the yeah okay emoji or say you're 847 01:10:14.840 --> 01:10:17.880 full of it thumbs up. Right. When you do that, you are 848 01:10:17.920 --> 01:10:24.479 opening yourself up to those individuals. You're opening yourself up to criticism, and 849 01:10:24.840 --> 01:10:28.279 you are almost I would, I would, I would almost say you're almost 850 01:10:28.279 --> 01:10:30.840 looking for a fight, because you know that's going to happen. It shouldn't 851 01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:35.359 happen. You should be able to relay your experience and have someone to say, 852 01:10:35.359 --> 01:10:40.600 hey, okay, but um, but but that's not going to happen. 853 01:10:40.640 --> 01:10:44.840 That's not real. It doesn't happen on UFOs, and obviously, as 854 01:10:44.840 --> 01:10:47.279 you're stating, it doesn't happen in the big Foot community. I have divorced 855 01:10:47.319 --> 01:10:53.680 myself from these and but I'm blessed that I get to talk to people on 856 01:10:53.760 --> 01:10:59.079 shows and talk about my views. You know, I just am The only 857 01:10:59.119 --> 01:11:03.800 thing I'm advocate from Matt is don't close the door, you know, or, 858 01:11:03.800 --> 01:11:09.760 as Lou Alsando says regarding UFOs, basically, everything's on the table until 859 01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:14.800 it's off the table. And if somebody thinks that they have enough evidence or 860 01:11:14.920 --> 01:11:21.159 enough experience with bigfoot to know that it's it's off the table, that they've 861 01:11:21.399 --> 01:11:27.039 never been in a situation where there was a track way and then all of 862 01:11:27.079 --> 01:11:30.000 a sudden and it's in an open field and then the tracks just stopped, 863 01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:34.800 like Jonathan Dover told us that. Then okay, then you're saying that person's 864 01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:39.800 lying, and okay, But to me, I just say it's on the 865 01:11:39.800 --> 01:11:45.199 table until it's off. Certainly one hundred percent with everybody flesh and blood creature, 866 01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:47.840 because all you guys, so many of you, people who are extremely 867 01:11:47.880 --> 01:11:53.039 credible, have had these experiences, have seen them. Some of you see 868 01:11:53.079 --> 01:11:58.199 them on a regular basis at your property, and I believe you, And 869 01:11:58.439 --> 01:12:00.840 that's great. Does that mean that there isn't another element to them that that 870 01:12:01.359 --> 01:12:04.479 we don't know, Well, we don't know. So if somebody wants to 871 01:12:04.520 --> 01:12:08.039 say, well, I'm flesh and blood and tell someone shows an otherwise, 872 01:12:08.039 --> 01:12:14.159 okay, great, awesome. So what are some of the similarities and differences 873 01:12:14.479 --> 01:12:19.159 between the UFO world and the Bigfoot world? Oh man, it's very much 874 01:12:19.199 --> 01:12:24.119 the same. Um you know, in the bigfoot world, you have an 875 01:12:24.199 --> 01:12:30.039 archetype who is much more prone to going out in the woods and experiencing the 876 01:12:30.079 --> 01:12:35.199 forest and engaging in field research. And then the UFO community. There's a 877 01:12:35.239 --> 01:12:43.560 gentleman we had on named Carl Vibe and when one of the former cabbies got 878 01:12:43.640 --> 01:12:47.119 him to come on our show named Steph, Thank you Steph. Carl had 879 01:12:47.159 --> 01:12:54.119 like one point two million subscribers and I and I don't usually look at that 880 01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:56.520 thing, but somebody told me that he had that, and I went and 881 01:12:56.560 --> 01:13:00.720 looked. I think it was Steph said that, And then I started looking 882 01:13:00.800 --> 01:13:04.439 at countries like Lichtenstein and I was like, wow, like, you have 883 01:13:04.560 --> 01:13:11.840 more subscribers than Liechtenstein. And I named like a couple of other obscurity European 884 01:13:11.960 --> 01:13:17.279 country, So in an entire country of followers, yeah, I think it 885 01:13:17.439 --> 01:13:23.800 was like Slovenia, Luxembourg and Lichtenstein, and he had more subscribers than those 886 01:13:23.840 --> 01:13:30.159 three countries or something. Carl does actually go out and do field research. 887 01:13:30.239 --> 01:13:33.479 He spent a lot of time in the un To Basin in Utah, you 888 01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:39.279 know, not far from skin Walker, looking at different Indian barrel grounds and 889 01:13:39.319 --> 01:13:44.800 stuff and cave scrawlings and things. So he does a lot of physical field 890 01:13:44.840 --> 01:13:49.560 research. He is I want to say the exception. He's not the exception 891 01:13:49.600 --> 01:13:55.479 because there are others out there like Carl Vibe, but they're more the exception 892 01:13:55.479 --> 01:14:00.520 than the rule. They're in the UFOs. It's a lot of academic research 893 01:14:00.960 --> 01:14:08.920 combing over through archives of different places gathered moof on gathering reports, anything that's 894 01:14:08.960 --> 01:14:12.119 publicly been released by anybody. You know. Deb's done a lot of that. 895 01:14:12.359 --> 01:14:15.920 She has a great archive of that. Deb also on Calling All Beings. 896 01:14:15.960 --> 01:14:18.119 So there's a lot of people like that. But in Bigfoot, I 897 01:14:18.159 --> 01:14:21.359 think you just have a lot of people who are a lot more outdoorsty and 898 01:14:21.520 --> 01:14:26.920 want to go in the woods and explore, which is great. And I 899 01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:30.600 love what Cliff Barrickman says. And while I don't necessarily see eye to eye 900 01:14:30.840 --> 01:14:35.760 with Cliff on everything, boy you know he says, don't not go in 901 01:14:35.800 --> 01:14:41.720 the woods. You know they they're there now, they've always been there. 902 01:14:43.119 --> 01:14:45.800 Don't be afraid to go in the woods. Just know what you're gonna do, 903 01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:48.960 sort of have a plan, you know, be smart, you know, 904 01:14:49.800 --> 01:14:55.039 peruse these shows and listen to people that can give you some safety tips 905 01:14:55.039 --> 01:14:58.960 and dues and don'ts and know when to back off, follow your you know 906 01:14:59.039 --> 01:15:01.119 your inner guidance. If you think you know what I need to get out 907 01:15:01.119 --> 01:15:05.239 of this area right now. I don't feel comfortable. I feel like I'm 908 01:15:06.079 --> 01:15:10.119 you know, thirty paces ago. I didn't feel this. I'm going to 909 01:15:10.199 --> 01:15:14.640 head back that direction, back to where whence I came. So you know, 910 01:15:14.720 --> 01:15:17.800 those are the differences in the community. Unfortunately, what's the same is 911 01:15:17.840 --> 01:15:23.399 the exact same in fighting. I mean, as long as humans are involved, 912 01:15:23.479 --> 01:15:27.039 I think that's inevitable. It's it's just going to happen. It's just 913 01:15:27.119 --> 01:15:30.399 something that we're going to have to learn how to work around. Correct. 914 01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:35.680 Unfortunately, I tell people don't engage. If you go and you go looking 915 01:15:35.760 --> 01:15:40.600 for a fight, posting your stuff in the community, you'll get there and 916 01:15:40.720 --> 01:15:46.199 you will bring a negative energy and bad feelings into your world. And if 917 01:15:46.239 --> 01:15:50.520 you don't engage with them, you have everything to gain and nothing to lose. 918 01:15:51.199 --> 01:15:55.800 If you do go out there looking for it, you will find exactly 919 01:15:55.800 --> 01:16:00.920 what you're looking for. You'll find that dissenter in what you're purport on, 920 01:16:00.079 --> 01:16:04.520 whether it be Facebook or a blog or Twitter. If you're a UFO person, 921 01:16:05.000 --> 01:16:09.520 then you bring that negativity right into your life. And why you need 922 01:16:09.560 --> 01:16:15.359 that just go and do your thing and communicate with people who at least are 923 01:16:15.439 --> 01:16:19.119 open to share ideas with you, like Matt and I do. We don't 924 01:16:19.159 --> 01:16:25.159 necessarily have to agree on everything, but we have phone conversations and we share 925 01:16:25.199 --> 01:16:31.000 ideas and and we try to open our aperture. And sometimes he shows me, 926 01:16:31.079 --> 01:16:34.079 DJ you know, you're on the wrong path right here, and now 927 01:16:34.119 --> 01:16:38.720 I'll say, okay, let me recage. So anyway, that's all I 928 01:16:38.720 --> 01:16:42.920 have on that, I mean, But in fairness, there's been times whenever 929 01:16:43.279 --> 01:16:47.359 you know, you've told me to pump my brakes and you've been in the 930 01:16:47.439 --> 01:16:55.279 right by doing so, you know, sometimes anybody, but speaking on my 931 01:16:55.359 --> 01:16:59.399 own behalf, you know, I get those blinders on and get set in 932 01:16:59.439 --> 01:17:03.840 my way, you know, and I think that I've got something figured out 933 01:17:04.039 --> 01:17:08.560 and it's a certain way, whenever it may not necessarily be that way, 934 01:17:08.680 --> 01:17:12.600 or maybe it is, But that doesn't mean there aren't other perspectives that I 935 01:17:12.600 --> 01:17:16.039 could look at and acknowledge in the meantime. So at the end of the 936 01:17:16.159 --> 01:17:24.159 day, it's not a question of if, but should Bigfoot be proven to 937 01:17:24.239 --> 01:17:27.399 exist? You know, the more I think about it, I mean, 938 01:17:27.520 --> 01:17:31.760 I did hear a good perspective. The other day, I'm trying to remember 939 01:17:31.800 --> 01:17:42.039 if it was someone at the conference or elsewhere that talked about a conservation effort 940 01:17:42.159 --> 01:17:49.479 whereby maybe if bigfoot were put on the endangered species list, what would what 941 01:17:49.479 --> 01:17:54.039 would be the case? You know, what would be the result if that 942 01:17:54.199 --> 01:17:59.720 happened. So I also want to keep my options open and not decide, 943 01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:01.640 because here I am on your show, Matt, and I'm telling people, 944 01:18:02.039 --> 01:18:05.800 don't decide, just say, Okay, the evidence that I've seen suggests this, 945 01:18:08.239 --> 01:18:13.119 and that's where I am right now. But I'm open to other possibilities 946 01:18:13.199 --> 01:18:17.000 should they present themselves. You know, that's I think a really good posture 947 01:18:17.039 --> 01:18:19.960 to have, to keep you open minded, even if you're someone who's been 948 01:18:20.319 --> 01:18:24.840 doing this for a couple of decades and I'm a damn greenhorn who hasn't seen 949 01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:28.680 anything yet. But I think it's a good posture for something we don't know. 950 01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:36.880 Relative to proving the exist I think that I think that it's pretty safe 951 01:18:38.600 --> 01:18:43.760 at this point, although not one hundred percent to say that if I care, 952 01:18:43.920 --> 01:18:46.279 what do I care about? What do I want? So first you 953 01:18:46.319 --> 01:18:49.880 have to have a desire, and then we could see how do I achieve 954 01:18:50.119 --> 01:18:57.279 what my goal is. So if my goal is that I want to prove 955 01:18:57.359 --> 01:19:02.560 to the world that bigfoot exists and see a scientific name tag attached to it, 956 01:19:03.079 --> 01:19:08.840 and study it's you know, it's anatomy and figure out, you know, 957 01:19:09.319 --> 01:19:12.920 look at all it's digestive tract and everything, and figure out look at 958 01:19:12.960 --> 01:19:17.560 its brain and everything. Are one of them's brain, etc. Then Michael, 959 01:19:17.680 --> 01:19:23.039 obviously, you know, would be along with these folks that want to 960 01:19:23.359 --> 01:19:27.640 kill one and bring it in, and that would a lot of people couldn't 961 01:19:27.640 --> 01:19:30.359 then, you know, when you look at a community as big as ours, 962 01:19:30.039 --> 01:19:32.600 and I placed myself in part of this big foot community, people can 963 01:19:32.640 --> 01:19:35.760 say, oh, see, I told you so it exists. See I've 964 01:19:35.760 --> 01:19:39.520 been telling you all along. They could go to their mom's house and their 965 01:19:39.560 --> 01:19:44.079 dad and their uncle because now it's been on the news and everything whole New 966 01:19:44.199 --> 01:19:53.439 Thanksgiving dinner, sending that big fund on New Yeah. Yeah, ain't sitting 967 01:19:53.479 --> 01:19:58.680 at the kids table this year at damn right, I'm being the head of 968 01:19:58.680 --> 01:20:04.000 the table. Let me carve that turn so um because uh um, you 969 01:20:04.039 --> 01:20:06.279 know, if you get it on, you know, and it's on a 970 01:20:06.359 --> 01:20:11.680 podium at you know, the Department of the Interior or at the White at 971 01:20:11.680 --> 01:20:15.399 a White House press briefing, and you know they show some photos of a 972 01:20:15.560 --> 01:20:18.439 of a of a corpse or something and they say, yeah, this exists 973 01:20:18.439 --> 01:20:25.760 and etc. You know what would be the result for Bigfoot. And you 974 01:20:25.760 --> 01:20:30.600 know, we just talked about the proclivities of humans when you when you're surrounding 975 01:20:30.600 --> 01:20:33.680 a topic that we're going to argue. It doesn't matter even if something looks 976 01:20:33.720 --> 01:20:38.079 super absolute. You know, people are going to argue and say, no, 977 01:20:38.199 --> 01:20:42.039 it's not real, you're lying, you're a government agent, and all 978 01:20:42.039 --> 01:20:48.319 this kind of neat stuff. However, for Bigfoot, they're doing apparently well 979 01:20:48.760 --> 01:20:57.000 on their own progress in terms of building infrastructure, homes, developments, clearing 980 01:20:57.079 --> 01:21:00.760 land. I mean I'm searing. I'm seeing it up here near the Egland 981 01:21:00.840 --> 01:21:05.359 Range, close to the Egland Range where they're they're building, you know, 982 01:21:05.439 --> 01:21:10.880 just south of I ten. You know what is it? Ten fifteen miles 983 01:21:10.960 --> 01:21:14.600 or so south of I ten. So you know, those kinds of things 984 01:21:14.600 --> 01:21:18.960 are not good for Bigfoot. And potentially if people knew this existed, the 985 01:21:19.039 --> 01:21:24.880 human condition might take over and people might say, I want one of these 986 01:21:25.239 --> 01:21:30.520 hanging on my wall, I want a rug A Bigfoot rug in front of 987 01:21:30.520 --> 01:21:35.640 my fireplace. And if if that's the case, then that would not be 988 01:21:35.760 --> 01:21:41.239 good. If you got instead of a few teams of people that are out 989 01:21:41.239 --> 01:21:45.560 there hunting them, however many that is five or less that that have a 990 01:21:45.640 --> 01:21:49.199 dedicated mission statement to kill one and bring one in. Maybe you would have 991 01:21:49.319 --> 01:21:58.600 twenty five or thirty or fifty teams across forty nine states that have the same 992 01:21:58.640 --> 01:22:03.039 goal to do that. Um, that I don't think would necessarily be good 993 01:22:03.039 --> 01:22:08.520 for Bigfoot. And now they're you know, trying to hide. And now 994 01:22:09.039 --> 01:22:12.560 you know what if if one gets shot and it's a teenager, and then 995 01:22:12.600 --> 01:22:16.840 in alpha male and and some others come after that that group of hunters and 996 01:22:16.880 --> 01:22:23.479 then it turns into a violent situation, then then it could ramp things up 997 01:22:23.520 --> 01:22:27.960 even more where now maybe the DD needs to get involved, you know, 998 01:22:28.199 --> 01:22:32.159 or Department of Homeland Security needs to get involved or something because of uh, 999 01:22:32.800 --> 01:22:38.520 you know, hunters were killed in some sort of a firefight, um, 1000 01:22:39.079 --> 01:22:42.119 and a log hit one in the head and then another one got you know, 1001 01:22:42.199 --> 01:22:46.720 tackled. I mean, there's all kinds of scenarios I could envision that 1002 01:22:47.159 --> 01:22:53.720 wouldn't necessarily be good. So I'm sort of in that vein of leave them 1003 01:22:53.720 --> 01:22:57.880 alone, which is why I was going to write a letter to Tim Burchett. 1004 01:22:57.920 --> 01:23:00.079 Any of you who listen to I'm sure none of you listen to CAB. 1005 01:23:00.159 --> 01:23:03.760 Yes, I did a real short interview with Tennessee and Dan Warren, 1006 01:23:04.159 --> 01:23:10.960 who is a great guy, you engineer and a UFO advocate, and his 1007 01:23:12.159 --> 01:23:16.680 constituent in Congress as Tim Burchett, who I am told is open to the 1008 01:23:16.760 --> 01:23:21.279 idea of bigfoot and is an advocate for UFO disclosure. And I thought about 1009 01:23:21.319 --> 01:23:26.479 writing to his staff when I got his information, and I stopped myself. 1010 01:23:27.239 --> 01:23:31.880 So I don't know, Matt, I think that's the case. I think 1011 01:23:31.920 --> 01:23:35.560 there's a lot of people that would want to be the one that that There's 1012 01:23:35.560 --> 01:23:40.119 a certain amount of people I think, like Cliff Barrickman would just be happy 1013 01:23:40.159 --> 01:23:45.439 that to understand from a scientific perspective what's going on. That he's hypothesized about 1014 01:23:45.520 --> 01:23:50.199 this and he's not out to shoot one. But I think, you know, 1015 01:23:50.359 --> 01:23:56.159 he would want to see the results of what is it has been actualized 1016 01:23:56.479 --> 01:24:01.159 in real life after he's been hypothesizing and theorizing and studying it in earnest for 1017 01:24:01.319 --> 01:24:04.680 you know, a couple of decades, and then I think there's other people 1018 01:24:04.680 --> 01:24:08.039 that want to say, you know, take t J. Allard up on 1019 01:24:08.079 --> 01:24:11.600 his offer and say, I want to become famous as the guy who bagged 1020 01:24:11.640 --> 01:24:15.560 one and be on TV. And then there's other people who maybe there are 1021 01:24:15.560 --> 01:24:18.800 people that just want to see a conservancy effort. So there's a lot of 1022 01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:21.880 different groups. But I think the best thing for them at this point, 1023 01:24:21.880 --> 01:24:27.119 and I'm open to the idea of being wrong and that maybe there is a 1024 01:24:27.239 --> 01:24:34.880 possible conservation effort that could be undertaken and actually provide some protection. I'm open 1025 01:24:34.960 --> 01:24:41.000 to that idea, but I'd say I'm leaning towards right now, with the 1026 01:24:41.039 --> 01:24:45.760 current information we have, they probably should just be left alone. So there's 1027 01:24:45.399 --> 01:24:49.920 different ways to look at it. Great answer. He covered a lot of 1028 01:24:49.920 --> 01:24:56.920 bases, but the fact that they haven't even been proven to exist yet, 1029 01:24:57.520 --> 01:25:01.119 to me, is a pretty good indicator that the I really need our quote 1030 01:25:01.159 --> 01:25:05.800 unquote protection. I mean, I don't think they would need our protection until 1031 01:25:05.840 --> 01:25:11.119 it was proven to exist, and then from that point, I mean, 1032 01:25:11.159 --> 01:25:17.079 there's only a handful of animals that you're allowed to hunt at nighttime, and 1033 01:25:17.239 --> 01:25:23.920 those are usually considered nuisance animals. Like Ferrell hogs in certain areas. You 1034 01:25:23.960 --> 01:25:29.720 know, hunting is very regulated and there's a lot of rules and laws to 1035 01:25:29.800 --> 01:25:33.720 abide by, and you will get heavily fined and imprisoned if you break those 1036 01:25:33.800 --> 01:25:41.960 rules. So if bigfoot were to be proven to exist, a lot of 1037 01:25:41.960 --> 01:25:45.960 these people, a lot of these trophy hunters, they would have a hard 1038 01:25:45.960 --> 01:25:49.159 time doing it. In my opinion, I think they would have a very 1039 01:25:49.159 --> 01:25:54.279 difficult time. You know that you can't go out there and just bag one. 1040 01:25:54.319 --> 01:25:58.520 It's just not that easy. And you know, these things are very 1041 01:25:58.560 --> 01:26:01.600 capable of taking human life if they wanted to, and I think they would 1042 01:26:01.640 --> 01:26:05.439 in certain situations, whether they you know, had to protect themselves or their 1043 01:26:05.439 --> 01:26:11.960 families or whatever, just like a human does. But I'm kind of like 1044 01:26:12.039 --> 01:26:16.039 you, I'm I'm kind of on the fence on the subject. You know, 1045 01:26:16.119 --> 01:26:20.000 It's something that I would love to see as a witness. I'd love 1046 01:26:20.000 --> 01:26:26.560 to have that vindication and being able to learn something about them, But at 1047 01:26:26.560 --> 01:26:30.640 the same time, I kind of want them to be left alone. I 1048 01:26:30.680 --> 01:26:36.199 don't think that humans are necessarily good for them. Anytime we get involved with 1049 01:26:36.239 --> 01:26:41.239 something, it usually goes wrong. So yeah, it's a tough call. 1050 01:26:41.359 --> 01:26:44.359 It's a tough call, you know. Damned if you do, damned if 1051 01:26:44.359 --> 01:26:45.800 you don't. Let me just say this, I care about them more than 1052 01:26:45.840 --> 01:26:50.199 I care about me to them, my desire for them. I care about 1053 01:26:50.319 --> 01:26:58.000 them more than my desire of of of of a certain my own personal desire 1054 01:26:58.039 --> 01:27:00.920 to have an outcome for them. I'm just thinking of them as a species. 1055 01:27:01.520 --> 01:27:05.239 Right. That's that's the thing that people have to decide do. I 1056 01:27:05.359 --> 01:27:11.399 want to please me and and be able to tell every and believe me. 1057 01:27:11.439 --> 01:27:14.960 I go through this too with friends, with families, with colleagues, you 1058 01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:17.079 know that that think that this thing, that don't believe it, and you'd 1059 01:27:17.079 --> 01:27:20.680 love to be able to say, see right, yeah, But where is 1060 01:27:20.760 --> 01:27:26.520 that stack up against? I really want this creature to be able to live 1061 01:27:26.560 --> 01:27:31.239 out its life on this planet in a in a way that that serves it 1062 01:27:31.359 --> 01:27:38.840 as a species, not my desire for its outcome. That's going to serve 1063 01:27:39.520 --> 01:27:43.359 some goal that I have as a person, which has nothing to do with 1064 01:27:43.399 --> 01:27:46.760 them as a species. Right, And like the fame or of the fortune, 1065 01:27:46.840 --> 01:27:51.479 you know, like that whole angle. I mean a lot of people 1066 01:27:51.800 --> 01:27:59.600 talk about different species that weren't discovered until fairly recently, you know, as 1067 01:27:59.600 --> 01:28:02.479 far as humanity's timeline is concerned, at least, you know, the guerrilla 1068 01:28:02.560 --> 01:28:06.079 Komodo dragon, things of that nature, and lots of people can rattle those 1069 01:28:06.159 --> 01:28:10.960 names off and rattle off the facts. You know that they weren't discovered until 1070 01:28:11.000 --> 01:28:14.000 this year or this year. But who discovered them? Who proved them? 1071 01:28:14.119 --> 01:28:16.720 You don't remember that name. You don't know that name. And I think 1072 01:28:16.760 --> 01:28:23.960 that whoever would be the person to prove that Bigfoot existed, Yeah, they 1073 01:28:23.960 --> 01:28:28.840 would have their paycheck given to them or whatever. They might get featured in, 1074 01:28:29.239 --> 01:28:31.680 you know, a straight to streaming in the straight to Netflix movie or 1075 01:28:31.720 --> 01:28:35.640 something. But overall they're not going to go down in the history books or 1076 01:28:35.680 --> 01:28:42.920 anything. I think it would eventually just become as accepted and known and and 1077 01:28:43.279 --> 01:28:45.039 that would be it. It would just be another thing, and you know, 1078 01:28:45.079 --> 01:28:48.720 another feather in the hat of humanity is something that we conquered. I 1079 01:28:48.800 --> 01:28:54.079 don't I don't think that famine fortune is really all that much out there, 1080 01:28:54.159 --> 01:28:58.720 like people think it is maybe fifteen minutes worth. I mean that's what yeah, 1081 01:28:58.880 --> 01:29:01.039 no, I mean that's what TJS after. I mean, you could 1082 01:29:01.119 --> 01:29:04.960 you could imagine you could have a multi night special on it. You could 1083 01:29:05.000 --> 01:29:11.119 have a Netflix documentary on it that would probably be you know, I mean 1084 01:29:11.479 --> 01:29:14.680 there's money to be made uh in it, and well we don't know how 1085 01:29:14.680 --> 01:29:15.720 long that would last. Like you said, you know, you might not 1086 01:29:16.079 --> 01:29:19.840 remember them the way you remember like Howard Carter, you know, Unearthed too 1087 01:29:19.960 --> 01:29:25.359 in common, you know what I mean. So it it's it's possible, 1088 01:29:26.199 --> 01:29:30.199 but but really you know that fifteen minutes is definitely there, and and the 1089 01:29:30.840 --> 01:29:33.880 you know, the documentary movies and stuff. But again it's you know, 1090 01:29:33.960 --> 01:29:39.439 what is what is really your goal? You know, you know, my 1091 01:29:39.439 --> 01:29:42.239 my goal is just you know, for them, I want it. I'd 1092 01:29:42.279 --> 01:29:45.479 love to get out there and experience it and not piss them off. But 1093 01:29:45.760 --> 01:29:47.960 you know, relative to what you said before about trophy hunting, you know, 1094 01:29:48.479 --> 01:29:53.359 you can envision things like people saying, if I'm going to go out 1095 01:29:53.399 --> 01:29:57.079 and hunt these things, I have to up caliber. I have to get 1096 01:29:57.319 --> 01:30:00.319 to you know, different rounds. You know that we would use, you 1097 01:30:00.319 --> 01:30:04.600 know, uh AR fifteen types, but you know of a larger caliber and 1098 01:30:04.800 --> 01:30:11.159 different types of rounds with more stopping power. And then maybe get some military 1099 01:30:11.199 --> 01:30:14.399 you know, ex military guys to come along that are down you know, 1100 01:30:14.479 --> 01:30:19.039 you can imagine all kinds of scenarios that would take place if somebody wanted to 1101 01:30:19.119 --> 01:30:24.000 trophy hunt it, and and that would increase their you know, their chances. 1102 01:30:25.279 --> 01:30:28.079 But again, is that good for you know, Bigfoot? You know, 1103 01:30:28.239 --> 01:30:30.960 probably not, is somebody you know, unless you have the right people 1104 01:30:30.960 --> 01:30:35.239 with you. Is there a chance that somebody could get shot um, you 1105 01:30:35.279 --> 01:30:39.560 know, friendly fire? Yes? Is there a possibility that they could take 1106 01:30:39.560 --> 01:30:45.239 out a youth or or a female or a female, you know, a 1107 01:30:45.359 --> 01:30:49.319 pregnant female. It's it's quite possible. Is it possible that they're not taking 1108 01:30:49.319 --> 01:30:56.079 out an animal, they're taking out a person. It's possible. It's it's 1109 01:30:56.359 --> 01:31:03.520 very very possible given the DNA uh, the potential uh, you know DNA 1110 01:31:03.640 --> 01:31:10.439 numbers that could exist. So yeah, there's that too. So there's so 1111 01:31:10.479 --> 01:31:12.880 many you know, you will started to hear. I mean, there's so 1112 01:31:12.920 --> 01:31:18.640 many outcomes that aren't necessarily good for Bigfoot, and I just would like to 1113 01:31:18.680 --> 01:31:24.399 see the best outcome for them that they not die off. You know, 1114 01:31:24.439 --> 01:31:30.119 I just heard yesterday I was listening to this short history podcast where they went 1115 01:31:30.119 --> 01:31:32.880 over a lot, they went over a wounded knee, they went over um 1116 01:31:33.439 --> 01:31:41.479 buffalo Bill Cody and how he got that nickname on killing buffaloes and how buffalo's 1117 01:31:41.840 --> 01:31:45.399 one of the things that really as you well know, because you're you know, 1118 01:31:45.479 --> 01:31:49.239 their cultured, you know much much better than I do that that um, 1119 01:31:49.319 --> 01:31:51.960 there are a lot of white men that would kill the buffalo, take 1120 01:31:51.960 --> 01:31:56.560 the horns in the skin, and leave the rest of the animal there to 1121 01:31:56.720 --> 01:32:00.159 rot, something that really pissed off Native Americans that used every part of that 1122 01:32:00.239 --> 01:32:05.800 animal. When when they harvested them, and there was something like I don't 1123 01:32:05.840 --> 01:32:13.399 remember did they say four million buffalo and then we got to under a thousand 1124 01:32:13.439 --> 01:32:17.159 at one point in the endangered part. I mean that you know, you 1125 01:32:17.239 --> 01:32:20.399 hear those kinds of things, and that's you know, you kind of think 1126 01:32:20.439 --> 01:32:26.520 about Bigfoot when when you hear those things, there's photographs up there, you 1127 01:32:26.560 --> 01:32:33.159 know, especially the you know back then the rich people where all the money 1128 01:32:33.279 --> 01:32:39.000 was was was with trains, you know, the train companies moving across you 1129 01:32:39.039 --> 01:32:43.319 know, the frontier and everything connecting the east coast to west coast, and 1130 01:32:43.359 --> 01:32:47.399 they were the one that they were financing a large, large, large part 1131 01:32:47.880 --> 01:32:54.119 of the buffalo slaughter taking place, because you know, the buffalo herds would 1132 01:32:54.159 --> 01:32:57.840 just they were going through their grazing land. So you can't put a train 1133 01:32:57.920 --> 01:33:00.159 track through a buffalo herd, you know, it's it's dangerous and it causes 1134 01:33:00.199 --> 01:33:02.520 problems. So we've got to get rid of them. We got to eradicate 1135 01:33:02.600 --> 01:33:13.199 them. And there's photographs out there of just these huge mounds of buffalo skulls 1136 01:33:13.239 --> 01:33:16.079 that I mean, it looks real, it looks fake. There's so many. 1137 01:33:16.600 --> 01:33:24.319 It's just mind boggling. The way that the buffalo were slaughtered. It's 1138 01:33:24.399 --> 01:33:28.760 it's absolutely crazy. It makes me ill. And it's through that prism that 1139 01:33:28.840 --> 01:33:33.439 you have to view on what we're looking at today. And even though we're 1140 01:33:33.520 --> 01:33:39.439 more we're significantly more civilized as a people than we were then, it's still 1141 01:33:40.319 --> 01:33:49.760 um there's a certain potential that exists for some very negative outcomes for Bigfoot, 1142 01:33:49.840 --> 01:33:53.960 and that that that's the thing. It's just you know, just ask yourself, 1143 01:33:54.000 --> 01:33:57.039 do I care about Bigfoot? Or do I care what the hell I 1144 01:33:57.079 --> 01:34:00.840 want with Bigfoot? And if if it's that, then you know you know 1145 01:34:00.840 --> 01:34:01.640 where you're at. And as long as you know where you're at, you're 1146 01:34:01.640 --> 01:34:05.760 being honest with yourself. You know nobody's gonna you know, we can't nobody's 1147 01:34:05.760 --> 01:34:10.079 going to change you. You know as a person, that's something that you 1148 01:34:10.119 --> 01:34:13.640 know. You have to decide what you want, but just know what that 1149 01:34:13.800 --> 01:34:16.520 is. You have to you have to know Um and be able to put 1150 01:34:16.560 --> 01:34:20.760 it all together and think about this, this creature if you believe it exists, 1151 01:34:21.159 --> 01:34:25.279 and then think about, Okay, what do I want here and why? 1152 01:34:25.720 --> 01:34:28.359 And what will be the result? And am I okay with that? 1153 01:34:28.359 --> 01:34:30.840 Because I just don't care. I just want the result that I want. 1154 01:34:30.840 --> 01:34:34.359 One final question before we get off here. Sure, whenever it comes to 1155 01:34:34.399 --> 01:34:40.880 calling all beings, who has been your favorite guest? And why? Is 1156 01:34:40.920 --> 01:34:47.760 it me? Just kidding? I won't I won't do that to you, 1157 01:34:47.880 --> 01:34:53.600 but we both know the answer. But no, seriously, last question for 1158 01:34:53.680 --> 01:34:57.520 our generation, the people that are currently alive listening to this show right now, 1159 01:34:58.359 --> 01:35:03.800 in your opinion, should we be preparing ourselves for the first alien contact? 1160 01:35:05.239 --> 01:35:11.279 You know, if you listen to deb if you listen to Nathan and 1161 01:35:11.520 --> 01:35:15.960 Nathan Um also has a show called Liminal Frames where he's on with this guy 1162 01:35:15.159 --> 01:35:21.680 named exo Academian. His name is Darren and he has become, to use 1163 01:35:21.680 --> 01:35:26.960 another Yiddish word, a big macher in the in the UFO community. He's 1164 01:35:27.000 --> 01:35:30.119 been to the Monroe Institute, He's learned how to remote view to a degree. 1165 01:35:30.680 --> 01:35:38.520 He's had been to the Chris Bledsoe property and had some experiences. He 1166 01:35:38.600 --> 01:35:45.039 receives downloads and when you listen to people like him, like deb and others, 1167 01:35:45.720 --> 01:35:49.399 they believe that that we will. Um. So I don't have a 1168 01:35:49.439 --> 01:35:54.319 feeling necessarily one way or the other. I don't have a I don't feel 1169 01:35:54.319 --> 01:35:58.039 like I have an insight or a perspective to offer. So I kind of 1170 01:35:58.119 --> 01:36:02.960 lean on people that are feeling pretty confident about it, and those those individuals 1171 01:36:03.119 --> 01:36:09.039 are and more than them. So so yeah, I mean I think you 1172 01:36:09.079 --> 01:36:14.760 should open yourself up to that possibility. So there isn't what Darren would call 1173 01:36:14.840 --> 01:36:20.520 ontological shock by seeing something that we just don't understand. I kind of think 1174 01:36:20.520 --> 01:36:24.239 along the lines of if something's going to happen, something's going to happen, 1175 01:36:24.279 --> 01:36:29.760 and I'm not gonna be the one to you know, I can't control whether 1176 01:36:29.800 --> 01:36:32.199 it happens or doesn't, so I can't be consumed with it. I'll just 1177 01:36:32.239 --> 01:36:36.239 have to react to it when it happens and not you know, try not 1178 01:36:36.279 --> 01:36:40.319 to get spun up over it. You know, there are probably things out 1179 01:36:40.359 --> 01:36:45.079 there that we just don't I mean, there's certainly, you know, most 1180 01:36:45.119 --> 01:36:48.399 certainly things. There are intelligences out there and things out there that we don't 1181 01:36:48.479 --> 01:36:54.039 understand, what my friend Matt Napp likes to call the unexplained. So rather 1182 01:36:54.159 --> 01:36:58.439 than get spun up about them and become defensive, just be open to the 1183 01:36:58.479 --> 01:37:03.359 fact that they exist, and that as long as they're not interfering in my 1184 01:37:03.960 --> 01:37:10.880 space and life, then I'm not going to be consumed with grief or fear 1185 01:37:10.920 --> 01:37:15.319 about it. DJ. Thank you for joining me, my friend, Thank 1186 01:37:15.359 --> 01:37:18.479 you for reaching out to me, and thank you for introducing me to the 1187 01:37:18.560 --> 01:37:26.399 wonderful people you have so far. I look forward to meeting more people that 1188 01:37:26.520 --> 01:37:31.600 you respect and validate and have a popular opinion of. I look forward to 1189 01:37:31.640 --> 01:37:36.279 more conversations with you and just man, I can't say thanks enough. Man, 1190 01:37:36.359 --> 01:37:41.680 I've thoroughly enjoyed it. Pitch whatever you want to, pitch, man, 1191 01:37:41.760 --> 01:37:44.880 I mean calling all beings. They can find you, they can find 1192 01:37:44.960 --> 01:37:49.680 me, they can find Nathan and deb and lay A Prime and who else. 1193 01:37:49.800 --> 01:37:53.680 Jeez, man, the list goes on and on. We're so blessed 1194 01:37:53.680 --> 01:37:58.239 to have such a great a great crew. Yeah. And well before I 1195 01:37:58.279 --> 01:38:00.520 even you know, pimp anything for a CAB, I just want to say 1196 01:38:00.600 --> 01:38:05.000 that it's an honored to be on here, to be on a Bigfoot show 1197 01:38:05.039 --> 01:38:10.760 and to be able to offer perspective. It's an honor to be part of 1198 01:38:10.760 --> 01:38:16.600 the community that I consider myself and just to have you as a friend and 1199 01:38:16.720 --> 01:38:23.199 now as a as a colleague, and it's just am extremely gratified, just 1200 01:38:23.359 --> 01:38:27.439 feeling feeling great, feeling like not must stay. The light in me sees 1201 01:38:27.439 --> 01:38:31.039 the light in you. And as far as um CAB is concerned, yeah, 1202 01:38:31.039 --> 01:38:34.640 it's calling all beings on YouTube. We're on most major platforms. If 1203 01:38:34.640 --> 01:38:39.239 there is one that you think we need to be on there, we're not 1204 01:38:39.359 --> 01:38:44.479 on. Please DM Matt Nap at Bigfoot Crossroads because you'll remember him before you 1205 01:38:44.479 --> 01:38:48.800 remember us, and and we'll we'll put ourselves on there. We do speak. 1206 01:38:49.560 --> 01:38:56.119 We like to have fun, intelligent, sometimes entertaining, always welcoming and 1207 01:38:56.239 --> 01:39:03.199 positive Bigfoot UFO and paranormal talk on cabin and we're blessed to have Matt as 1208 01:39:03.279 --> 01:39:09.319 part of our team. Two kinds, sir, two kind definitely check it 1209 01:39:09.359 --> 01:39:12.880 out if you haven't done so already. I don't care what you're into. 1210 01:39:12.920 --> 01:39:18.520 There's something there for everyone. The conversations are amazing, absolutely excellent, a 1211 01:39:18.520 --> 01:39:23.640 whole different level. I know you guys have kind of blown up in the 1212 01:39:23.720 --> 01:39:29.640 UFO world a lot of popular opinions about Calling All Beans before I ever got 1213 01:39:29.680 --> 01:39:32.560 there, so I can't take the credit for it, unfortunately. But since 1214 01:39:32.560 --> 01:39:38.399 I've been there, you've had some amazing Bigfoot guests as well, So if 1215 01:39:38.439 --> 01:39:41.720 you know that's your thing, there's still a reason to check out Calling All 1216 01:39:41.720 --> 01:39:46.520 Beans. If you've had an encounter with Bigfoot or aliens or anything, email 1217 01:39:46.560 --> 01:39:51.039 me at Bigfootcrossroads at gmail dot com. Check out Bigfoot Crossroads dot com the 1218 01:39:51.039 --> 01:39:55.840 website where you can find links to the social media, past episodes, everything 1219 01:39:55.880 --> 01:39:59.760 you need all in one place, including a contact form to file a report. 1220 01:40:00.359 --> 01:40:03.439 And until the next time, I remember there's something in the woods and 1221 01:40:03.680 --> 01:40:04.760 also in the skies,