This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name's Matt. First, I want to say
thanks to everyone who listens and supports Bigfoot Crossroads. If you're listening on an
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a comment. It really helps me out. I have a very very special
guest with me on Bigfoot Crossroads for this episode. He is a gentleman that
I've come to know quite well over the past several months. I could say
that he's somewhat even changed my life, certainly changed my perspective on quite a
few things. He is someone that I would have liked to have met twenty
years ago. But first I want to give a special shout out to my
good friend Robert Dominguez over at Bigfoot Club podcast. Robert just celebrated his one
hundredth episode, him and Stephen and they had an amazing guest on by the
name of Matthew Reginald Nappers. That's his alias for Bigfoot Club. They had
me sit in for their one hundredth episode. We had a great time.
Check him out if you haven't done so already, But enough about them.
My guess tonight, Oh man, how do I even introduce you? Man,
you know, because I feel like I'm kind of on the spot because
of the way that you introduce people. I don't think I can do it
justice, so I'm not going to try. DJ of calling All Beans Podcast
Welcome to big Foot Crossroads. Oh, I got to say, what's up?
Rich? Yeah, Stephen Demingez coined me Matthew Reginald Nappers, and it's
stuck. Oh man, Yeah, I feel like the Monopoly man every time
I say it. But I need to have like a monocle and a top
hat with me. That is some kind of special man, I dig it,
my man. One love to you, Matt Nap. Those very very
nice kind words that were unexpected to say the least from an original gangster of
Bigfoot in somebody who's been in the game longer than I. So thank you
very much. Brother. Oh totally true, sir, totally true. So
let's kick this thing off with the UFO stuff. I mean, that's kind
of your main wheelhouse, I think. But first I want to hear about
your background. I think you have an amazing resume just as a human being,
and I think it kind of paints a picture of who you are as
a person. So if you don't mind introducing yourself to my listeners and talking
about who is DJ, what makes him tick, where did he start out,
and just work your way towards the present. Okay, I'll try to
make this real quick. Crew up on a ranch in New York, dude
ranch type situation, did a lot of stuff around horses and around the ranch
growing up, and found out, or at least was earmarked sometime in middle
school as a specialized student. That may or may not have been because my
dad threatened one of the teachers and got me kicked out of the school district
or not, But for better or for worse, I was a special student
there from middle school and then up through high school, which I went to
two high schools, freshman and senior year in New York, my hometown,
and sophomore junior in Florida. But I was able to overcome that through a
lot of positive reinforcement from my high school classmates, whom I have a podcast
with today. In fact, we did our podcast last night, and sort
of they got myself into sports, where I got a lot of reinforcement.
Ended up playing college football even though I had never played football in my life,
and then got into the Air Force, was a maintainer for about eight
years. But I went and got my pilot's license while I was a maintainer
in the Air Force, and then put in for flight school and eventually got
it. And there was a job called flight engineer. You could sort of
sit in between the pilot and the co pilot. You learned all about aerodynamics
and aviation and system aircraft systems, and you ran different calculations and systems that
we needed flying tactical infilight tration, ex filtration, air drop and resupply for
special ops forces. And that was the crux of most of my Airforce career
was doing that. And I'm still with Assock today as a civilian. So
I retired in about a decade ago, a little more than a decade ago,
maybe eleven years ago. And you started out in special ed yep.
Ye. If that doesn't say the system's broken, I don't know what does.
Yeah. It's just really a lot of positive reinforcement from my classmates that
um that made me believe that I could do something and got into a college,
junior college, you know, barely, but I got in and then
proved myself there in the classroom and then on the field, and then that
just you know, led the way to other things. I start to just
believe in myself more and more so, so yeah, that that that's me.
And then the as far as the broadcasting, it started out with MMA
I was part of when I was in the Air Force at my last duty
station, I became a training partner for some young MMA guys on the base
and then I kind of became their coach. And then when everybody disbanded to
separate bases, I started the podcast for MMA, which was probably two thousand
and nine or twenty ten, I just can't remember the exact year. I
got to nail that down one of these days, and that was it.
I just fell listened to this thing called SRDOG Radio Network, really fell in
love with their style, and that's where I get this whole roundtable businesses from
them them, and and that was it basically. And then one day,
you know, I saw that David Fraber, the pilot from the Navy who
had disclosed that he had a UFO sighting, and it got to the New
York Times and Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal wrote about that incident with the nimits
and then um, because they saw the video that the encompassed it, which
they got through Uh, Christopher Melon and Luell Zando, And I said,
well, if he could talk about his UFO incident, I could talk about
my mind. That was really a nothing burger. But uh, and then
I just changed my format to UFOs and from that I found out about Bigfoot
through Nathan And now we are a as you know, because you're part of
it is we are a UFO Bigfoot and paranormal show calling all beans. That's
right. And I'm a yoga teacher, got to say that. Yeah,
and your race motorcycles and long distance runner and long distance swimmer. I mean,
come on, dude, you're so humble, You're you do like all
these amazing things in life, and you just always treat them like they're going
to the grocery store. Yeah. I'm not really good at anything, but
I do sort of mess around with a lot of different things and have fun
in that diversity, So greatness escapes me in anyone. See, that's where
I disagree with you. You know, some people consider greatness, you know,
being great at something, But from my perspective, a lot of your
greatness is just the act of doing it. To begin with. I mean,
you're talking to somebody who's never even laid eyes on the ocean. Okay,
and if I did, I ain't getting in the water. I can
promise you that. You know, I've seen enough video footage to know better.
But you just, you know, you're just like a fish. You're
out there just swimming, you know, with the sharks all the time.
Like how many times have we been on the phone, Like I've gotten off
the phone because you're getting ready to getting to the ocean. That's insane.
I do wear a shark band though, that's supposed to throw off their radar,
So I say, oh yeah, has that been scientifically tested? Have
we seen proof of that being effective? I mean, I got some refrigerator
magnet's like a tape to my ankles, but it's not gonna get me in
the ocean. It's not a terrible idea, man. That could have been
a low cost alternative. Yeah, the ninety bucks apiece. So anyway,
well as you call it a nothing burger, Uh, let's hear your UFO
story. Give me all the deats man, what happened? So essentially,
and I have a photo that I cann and get and send you it's on
my computer where you can see the line of sight where we were looking.
And if I remember correctly, there, you know, there was a big
UFO flap in the Hudson Valley of New York in the eighties, which is
where I'm from them from the Hudson Valley Hendry Cutson School District. Yeah.
In fact, my school is named after the Hudson So anyway, we were
I thought it was going to be the last time that we were going to
be on the ranch, and I was moving to Florida, and we had
packed up the house. And one of the kids who used to come to
the ranch his parents, his mom worked there, and we were just always
together on the ranch. Great great guy named Kenny Good. He came up
to visit me for a last time. And we were walking back from the
ranch, which sat in a little bit of a valley up the hill towards
the main road, and my house was basically across that main road at about
a forty five angle. So we're just coming up the hill and talking and
it was a Sunday night, pretty quiet on the ranch. I'm not I
don't remember if the loudspeaker, usually the loudspeaker with a local radio station was
running twenty four hours a day on the ranch, but quiet, meaning no
people, and we saw this amazing trove of lights rise above the tree line
that you know, elicited a response to something like, holy blank, that's
a UFO and he probably said the same thing I did. And we just
stared at it and it floated the other direction away from me. So we're
seeing the rear aspect of a craft and I can't make out a shape or
any just the lights alone were just so bizarre to see that because it was
quite dark. I lived out. I mean, this is in the country
and at some point, and I can send you a Google map, but
where my house was so you can see, but it's it's it's not a
place that's very lit up. There's not a lot of street lights or anything
like that where I lived. I don't even think there is today. I
don't think it's any different today than it was back then. So so so
that happened, and then we just kind of made the decision, Hey,
I'm not gonna tell my parents because they're not going to believe me, and
then I'm gonna get upset, and you know, we kind of went to
sleep, and then just talked about it the next morning, I think,
and real briefly, but just didn't want to come clean with it. And
I didn't talk about it too for the next forty years. I mean I
didn't well, yeah, probably forty years or so. I didn't talk to
my wife about it or my parents or anything like that. So that's about
it. Not very compelling. So how many lights were there? What color
were they? Were they blinking not blinking? Like now that you've you got
older and got into the Air Force and everything, so you've become familiar with
all types of aircraft, I'm sure sure, Like, yeah, now you
know now as a trained absurd, it would be a different experience looking at
it. And the length of time was so brief because the direction it floated
was so if you read any of the Hudson Valley UFO books and anybody out
there that is interested in UFOs that is one of your fans. There's one
called Night Siege written by doctor j Allen Heinik, who was the Air Force's
chief scientist for a Project blue book, and he co wrote that with two
other less famous gentlemen. And then my friend Linda Zimmerman, who lives across
the Hudson River from where I'm from. She's written four or five books on
UFOs in the Hudson Valley. She actually interviewed a high school friend of mine
and her family because they all saw it at sort of backyard barbecue during the
day. I saw a triangular UFO. So Linda has four or five books,
so there's a lot of UFOs. There are a couple of stories that
Linda documented over this place called the Croton Reservoir, which would provide water for
like New York City from where we were from, and it's not very far
from my house, just a couple of miles, and this craft seemed to
be headed in that direction, and so I didn't see it for more than
a couple of seconds. And then all you were seeing was skyglow and not
even the actual lights on the craft. I couldn't tell you what color.
But when I looked at it, You're thinking, this looks like a close
encounters thing. It's just like you're just thinking, like this is not real.
Is this really happening? Like that's you know, it's one of those
mad if that makes sense. But it was so brief, which is why
I don't tell the story that often because there's really not a lot to tell
compared to other people that have a protracted experience this whole thing. You know,
I've always had an interest. You know, you've recently heard my own
UFO story, which is also a nothing burger, as you put it.
But I mean I've heard since meeting you and becoming part of Calling All Beings,
I've heard some so many just amazing things and just learned so much in
such a short amount of time. But there's still a lot of confusion out
there. Is there a certain type of UFO that you believe you saw,
because I know there's different types that people commonly report. Is this just lights
in the sky, black triangle or any ideas on that. This looked like
a craft with a series of lights on it. But I could not,
And this is the reason why I don't elaborate further, because I don't want
to take a worry that's ancient and then try to add things to it to
make to add clarity that I don't have. So I couldn't see the shape
of it. It was the again, it was a dark sky and the
tree line and I can actually search for this while we're on the so that
I can text you the photo of where my sight line was. So let
me I'll do that. But I could not make out I'm seeing rear aspect
of the craft, and I could not make out any shape. I was
just kind of blown away from the lights. And then I'm talking to my
friend and going, you know, you know, holly bleep, and you
know it was those kind of things, right. But but in any case,
Matt, you know that. That's why I just don't have enough to
really, you know, give someone a great idea of what it was,
just because there wasn't enough, Um, there wasn't enough time of looking at
it or seeing it at the right, either underneath, from the side,
something where I could get you know, get some clarity. Really it was
just from the rear. So what kind of distance away was it at the
time whenever you first saw it, Well you could be so. And that's
why I'm looking for this photo because of the tree line. The tree line
formed your horizon, and so when it rose above that tree line, which
is above the main road here, I mean that was everything. You know,
you couldn't you couldn't see, you couldn't see past that. So this
one will give it to you. But this is winter, this is winter
time, so this is not a good one. And now at that tree
line there, imagine there's leaves on all these trees here, so it's gonna
be provide some pretty good cover. Right. So you standing at the base
of that driveway walking up the hill right there, as you look up,
all you can see of the sky is everything is just but that tree line
forms your horizon right right, So right there is where we would have um
where we would have seen it rise above the tree line, and once it
floated beyond that horizon, we couldn't see it anymore. Does that make sense,
Yeah, because it wasn't high enough for you to be able to start
getting all these aspects. But when we saw it, it would it was
above I don't know where it emanated from, but when we saw it,
it lit up the whole sky. And that's what That's what got my attention,
is what would be lighting up the sky on a Sunday night. I
mean nothing, Well, that's what I was going to ask you, if
you had any idea where it might have come from, like if it was
taking off from the ground, like what's in that area? Do you know?
No? I mean, really there is all. Uh, it's very
um what's the word that I'm looking for. Um, you know, the
town counseled like, you can't build commercial things in these areas. So if
I were to drive you around these areas and over towards Croton Reservoir and stuff,
you it looks the same as when I was growing up here. There's
no commercial anything. There's no stores, there's no strip malls, there's no
anything. It looks just like there's very few developments that have even popped up.
There's a few, but not many. So it looks very true to
form as it was back then. So I don't know where it came from.
When it came into my vision, is us you know, looking up
that hill, walking up that hill and sade and we're just like, oh
my god, look that's a that's a UFO. I mean, that was
what came to my mind. There was never any question about it. Did
you ever have any paranormal experiences or anything like that? Growing up? Was
the UFO kind of the first thing that ever happened to you. The only
thing that I can remember growing up, and our house was a colonial era
house. I don't know if I would call it a tutor or not.
I'd have to ask my dad about that. The only claim to fame about
is that Charles Lindberg's wife her family owned that house at one point, but
it at one time. I remember doing something with curtains, either closing them
and then they opened, or opening them and then they closed, and that's
the only end, like coming back in. But never anything that was like
on the level of what happened with you, you know what I mean.
It was like scarier, nothing like that. But the paranormal and the unexplained
and things of that nature weren't something that you're really focused on or anything as
a kid, No, not at all. I didn't have anything happened,
didn't mess with a weeg aboard or any of that kind of stuff, which
again, do not mess with AUGI board for anyone, for anyone, leave
them alone, don't do it. I'm actually gonna send you a photo of
me in high school with my high school friends at a house party. And
I looked at it the other day because obviously, like I said, I
do a lot of stuff with my high school, my classmates and stuff.
And I saw a photo and and and it said Wei, and like what
there was a Wegi board on the table, but I know we did not
play it. But I do know that that the mother of the person,
So the two girls that we were visiting at this home that the mother was
claimed to be a witch um. And the one thing that they had us
do one time was have someone lay on the floor. And the two girls
said, let's do this light as a feather stiff as a board thing.
Sure, and I remember that we lifted the person up with just fingertip.
Uh, you know, you had just your index finger and there was like
four of us. I think that we're doing. I don't remember if there's
four or six, but basically we lifted somebody up off the ground with that.
Maybe that's how UFOs do all the amazing flying that they do. They
just got a group of kids, you know, as a feather stiff as
a board. So, now that you've been doing the you know, UFO
podcast thing, you started branching out other areas. But I do want to
ask you about the different types of UFOs. What are sort of you know,
the stereotypical main types of things that people observe. Well, you know,
it depends on what era. Obviously everybody knows that in the early on
in the forties and fifties, a lot of it was flying saucer. But
then lu Alsando tells us that people in Europe they were saying they were seeing
a flying butane tank, which any of you that have had like a natural
gas tank outside of your house, it would look like one of those cylindrical
tanks and then it would have, you know, the sort of hookups in
the center of it in the cap. So people reported that although that wasn't
prevalent in our country. Now you guys have heard about tik taks. There's
a few of those. Uh, you guys are aware of orbs. Recently
the Pentagon showed an ORB video. I think, I don't know if it
was Afghanistan or I rock. I think where that that video is out,
it's been a all around Twitter. So yeah, that's primarily what I've heard
of is I've heard ORB And then I guess if we go to twenty fifteen,
the East Coast naviators, so not the Nimitz group, which was Dave
Fraver, Alex Dietrick, chat Underwood, they're the ones that encountered the tik
tak off the coast of southern cow But in twenty fifteen, Ryan graves from
them. I think it was the Theodore Roosevelt strike croup. I think it
was those folks encountered the sphere inside a cube or cube inside a sphere of
one of those two. Yeah, I guess it was a cube inside of
sphere, and as he pointed out, on number of occasions where the the
tips corners of the cube are are intersecting the sides of the sphere. So
that was really really bizarre if you could imagine flying in an airplane and seeing
a cube into sphere, because they said they saw it for over a year.
So a lot of stuff has happened off the coast of California. I
don't know how many people listening are interested in UFOs or to the degree that
I am. But one of the surprising things out there is a lot of
UFO stuff is actually what's called USO and is coming from the water. What's
some of the stories behind that, especially with you know, the West coast
and everything. I think there's a hot spot outside of somewhere. It almost
seems like San Diego or something where a lot of UFO activity has been seeing
with vessels or whatever you want to call them exiting the ocean and flying into
the ocean. What's some of the stuff you've heard about that I've heard a
number of them. I've heard them being clocked underwater by using sonar, which
is you know, very typical of a submarine's navigational device, and distance measuring
equipment and speed measuring equipment is sonar. And they talked about them doing mock
underwater and people that understand, you know, a hydrostatic drag. You know
how much I mean, we all know when you you know, swimming is
based on being able as being is based on that, you know, being
able to cup your hand and propel your self forward, so to hit the
kinds of speeds that usos are able to do, um without splashing when they
go in the water. It just doesn't it doesn't make sense. It doesn't
agree with our known physics, known physics. But apparently they didn't. They
weren't taught those lessons of the constraints of our physics are Um, they didn't
show up at school that day. Um. So so there's that. Let's
see what else is there. Um, there's something that happened in Puerto Rico
at an airport that's called Aguada. So if somebody were to google Aguada UFO
video and it would be a you know, a g U A D I
L L a um, you will see a Customs and Border Patrol aircraft that
is tracking a object of un So it's sort of shape shifting as it's moving
through the air. So just place that, put that in your mind,
right, and it's moving. It's just flying with without care of anything,
over houses, neighborhoods, right over an airfield like literally an active airfield.
It just they're probably obviously shut down air traffic. It flew just right across
the airfield like nobody's business. Then out over the water and then it appears
to go in the water and come out again and split in two, but
without making a splash, without making a splash, Yes, it just it
just kind of morphs into the water. It's a bizarre video. It's crazy.
It's an amazing video. And the I think it's the SCU the Scientific
Coalition for UFO Studies or something like that. They have a great write up.
They did a you know, probably like a I don't know if it's
thirteen page paper on that on that incident. So it's on blind you know,
we don't know what that object was. You know, recently there was
another big release by the government of UFO Information or UAP information as they call
it. No, you know, Senate hearings and all that going on.
Thank goodness, UFOs have finally reached government bureaucracy. I mean, that's going
to really help things out. But I, you know, you and I
had talked about this, and you know, this subject even came up on
a recent episode of Calling All Beings, and I said, you know,
I'm not even bothering and reading about it. You know, I already know
that there's nothing to read. Well, I did run across an article the
other day that caught my attention because it's already began. I don't remember who
the you know, official was or anything, but apparently his whole thing was,
we have not had any evidence that supports these are of an alien nature
or from out of space, and they could be related to China, you
know, got to throw that in there, But he said, they're not.
We haven't had any official evidence that we found that they're doing anything beyond
our current laws of physics according to our knowledge, right, And I'm just
like, are you kidding me? With that, but he was talking about
spherical shaped objects in the same sentence doing mock two. Now, how do
you have something spherical shaped doing mock two through the air without any sort of
propulsion being seen, no thermal trail to it at all. And then in
the same breath say, we haven't seen anything break the laws of physics.
I mean, what's going on? Say that? Yeah, okay, I
didn't know that he said that. I mean, there are objects that projectiles
that can fly through the air at that speed, but not you know,
enter into controlled flight. And the key is without control surfaces. Because when
we talk about aircraft and we talk about control surfaces, we're talking about rutterers,
ailerons, um elevators. You know, these type of steering mechanisms that
give you pitch yaw roll, you know, all these what you know,
what we call X y Z access and in aviation and without those you know,
even even you know, like an Elon rocket when when they fire off
those rockets there, as you can see, there are canards on those rockets
that are steering at until it gets into you know, without air, and
it's in outer space and now it's being controlled by you know, sort of
little steering propulsion mechanisms on the side that'll that'll give it that left you know,
give it yaw and roll and all these other things. But when you're
in the atmosphere, that's what we need to fly things that operate on Bernoulli's
theorem. And you guys can have a look at that. That's basically all
your your wing surfaces and control surfaces and lift is based on Bernoulli's theorem and
then Newton's laws of motion, so for the propulsion aspect of it. So
anyway, UM, I don't know that he said that. Um, but
man, I have heard through I have I have heard that that there may
be some breaks coming. Um. And that's really all I can That's really
all I can say about that. I think there are a number of people
saying that on Twitter. Um, people that you you know, sort of
are uh, you know, tangentially involved with through us and uh, I
you know, ask somebody, and and I'm hearing the same thing. So
now we'll just have to sit and wait. Um. But disclosure is in
a far for advanced stage from where Bigfoot is. Unfortunately or fortunately for Bigfoot.
Maybe one of the more recent conversations that you and I had had were
about the possibility of you know, UAPs and UFOs being something other than alien
in nature. I mean, I had just like I told you, you
know, it's just always been aliens that come from outer space. But I
guess some of the theories now are that that's not necessarily true. So like,
whenever you talk about some of these murmurs you're hearing coming down the pipeline,
are you talking about confirmation of any kind that these are alien nature or
not alien in nature? No, Actually, what I was talking about is
disclosure writ large, that a further level of disclosure. A lot of people
are talking about that, and I'm hearing the same thing. So but what
I do want to say is that you and I grew up the exact same
way we thought. And by the way, you and I are going to
be interviewing Darcy Weir. Yeah, and Darcy is going to tell us about
the space program and UAPs that they have encountered while in space that we're not
reported or they were using code words or covering up so as not to alarm
the public that there's something sort of transitting around our space vehicles while they're in
orbit. So we're going to interview Darcy about that. So that does lead
to you know, maybe, so what I like to say, Matt,
when we have the discussion of are the origin of these unidentified craft or unidenti
non human intelligences if we want to use that NHI word. Are they coming
from somewhere else like outer space, or are they already prepositioned here on Earth
and we only see them when they want us to see them for whatever reason.
They can come through a portal, or they can appear in our reality
so that we can see them, and that's why all these people are seeing
them. Well, I don't believe necessarily in this or that I believe in
this end that so, yes, there could be non human intelligences that are
coming here have come here we're viewed by the Space program, perhaps that are
from another planet or another galaxy or our galaxy in an area that we can't
see them. Perhaps, And I also there's significant evidence to suggest from people
that have interacted with a phenomenon, just like we have people who have interacted
with Bigfoot and have a significant advantage to people like me in analyzing behaviors because
they've seen them and interacted with them. Well, people have seen and interacted
with other intelligences. Believe it or not. It's sounds crazy to some of
your Bigfoot people out there, but to some of them, what people would
say about Bigfoot sounds crazy. But the fact of the matter is I believe
both of you, and there are some of you out there who are probably
you know, telling stories and maybe they're not they didn't actually happen, or
you you know, in your mind they happen, but they didn't happen in
the reality that somebody else could see. But the majority, the overwhelming majority
of you that are telling these stories, I absolutely believe that you had this
experience, whether it was seeing a craft. Uh, some people were abducted
and and a lot of people have had interactions with Bigfoot. There's just no
possibility that everybody's lying, you know, not the least of which is my
friend Matt Knapp. So with that in mind, they say that a lot
of them are maybe on Earth or part of our planet, but they're not
in the same time space, they're not in our reality, but they can
bring themselves into our reality when they want to, and that's what you know.
Jeremy Corbell has a litany of videos. Do you guys want to see
a video that blows my mind as an aviation junkie. There's a couple of
them. Matt mentioned before about craft going into the water and out that happens
on the USS Russell. You can you can watch a flare video where that
happens and from the CIC you know, you hear them say splash, which
just means it when in the water to actually splash. And you can also
see this pyramid UFO video that Jeremy Corbell got from his sources in the Navy,
and it was taken through a night vision equipped deck telescope if you will,
and it was I want to say, seven feet off the water and
within half a mile of the ship something like that. It is absolutely amazing
when I see it. It's one of the most amazing videos out there because
nobody can explain what it is. I can't because I know that pyramids don't
fly, not using our version of aerodynamics. But they obviously have figured out
other ways to do things like flying a tik tak that Dave Framer saw,
and they don't need all those things that we have like thermodynamic propulsion and Bernoulli
control surfaces and so forth, and powered flight as we know it. So
there you have it. One of the things that I find kind of interesting
about UFO sidings is, you know, you were talking about the different types
depending on what era they were seeing. Tell me you can disagree, it's
fine. Do you notice that it seems like a lot of UFO sidings over
the years, It's almost as if the technology has progressed for the UFOs themselves.
How it kind of started all with like flying saucers and now we're at
like this liquid metallic looking thing. Yeah, I heard one of those the
other day that was amazing. It said the skin looked like liquid metallic.
I've heard a number of experiences say they believe the skin of the aircraft is
alive. I've heard somebody say that there are wave guides in the skin that
carry all these signals in the electricity if you will, that runs the different
systems that are wave guides in the skin, which, of course, yeah,
that's how they would do it. They wouldn't do it with a bunch
of cable wire bundles like we would do it. So it has it evolved.
It's possible. But to know that Matt and using this as a very
sort of Matt nappying way to look at it. We would have to know
what those what sort of systems that those that those saucers had, and if
we knew that, we could juxtapose that against what the what what we've noticed
from the TIC TAC. But without knowing that, it's just saying, you
know, it's a different shape because we would have to have more data to
go on. You know, what type of maneuvers did it perform? Was
it silent um, did it shoot off? Did it shoot straight up?
You know, uh, and silent throughout. I mean, so there's a
lot of things we would have to know before we could we could make that
leap to say that one technology is more advanced, but it is true that
people are seeing more of one than the other these days. Yeah, that's
an interesting point. Uh, certainly unanswerable at this point. I mean a
lot of factors would come into play. You know, if it's coming from
the same source for instance, you know, different things could have different types
of technology. Obviously there's something that has technology, if that even the right
word. We don't even know that this is technology, but something very different
than anything we have or or are aware of at this point in humanity for
sure, right right, That's that's the key, is that. Um So
when when when I tell people I think I went over this on Brian's show,
is when you're looking at a craft and you're you know, if you're
one of these people that has the great fortune to be able to get a
you know, a protracted view of it, a view where you could sit
and look at it and start going through a mental checklist. And I'm not
saying take out your cell phone, but okay, what's it doing? First
of all, is it silent? It is it relatively close to me where
I can see a fully fleshed out craft. So if the answers, yes,
all right, this is awesome. Now do I hear anything? Because
everything that we have that's going to be able. And now is it making
maneuvers that look like it's consistent with an aircraft or can it just hover and
then move at these sort of ninety degree angles, be it rapidly or not?
If it can do it silently, well, if it's silent, okay,
there's a dirigible technology that are pretty silent. You know, they're filled
with air, but they don't make rapid changes of direction, right, And
they don't make ninety degree turns. So what did they say? You know,
nothing in nature is a right angle this kind of thing. So we
would be looking at things like that and saying, okay, there's no sound,
and now it's moving kind of weird, or it's hovering there. Anything
aircraft that hovers, it takes a significant amount of energy, whether we're talking
about a helicopter, whether we're talking about a V twenty two osprey, whether
we're talking about propeller drone. Like you can buy anything that hovers for a
long period time, it uses a lot of energy because when you start moving
the craft forward, like even a helicopter. When a helicopter starts to move
forward, there's something called translational lift that occurs, and it becomes a lot
safer vehicle to operate with some forward momentum than when you try to just straight
hover it. Because the blades of a helicopter what a lot of people don't
know a lot of people know that when you pull up on that stick,
you know that what's known as the collective in a helicopter, the blades will
angle down and start biting more air, and that's how you lift off a
lot of people know that but what they don't know is that the rotor blades
of a helicopter are shaped exactly the same as an aircraft wing, and that's
why the FA refers to them as rotary wing as opposed to necessarily helicopter.
That's just one of the terms use, but rotary wing. And when you
propel that through the air forward, it becomes a lot easier to maintain flight
than it does when you hover. So again, this is why sometimes it
doesn't have to go at mocks X from a standstill to be incredible. When
we see a UAP do that, it can be just hover like like uh,
Ryan Grave said, one of those cubanis sphere things was hovering at the
entry way to their working airspace or that the Navy had booked over off the
coast of Virginia and it's set there for eight hours. So think about that,
Matt, I mean, we don't eight hours. I mean I know
somewhere in my rolodex at some point I was watching something and they were talking
about how a helicopter can't hover in one spot for too long or we'll just
fall to the ground, like it'll use up all the air beneath it or
something something happens, and it can be very dangerous to do that. Yes,
and that's just yeah, that's just one aspect, and that's you know
there. I don't think there's a helicopter on Earth that could hover for eight
hours without running out of gas. True, So that that's that's that's another
thing. So there's there's a lot of aspects to this that make them unique.
And it's not just that it moves fast, but that it's doing so
silently, it's doing so without a visible sign of propulsion. It's moving in
ways that are not consistent with what we call aircraft. And that's why the
UAP term is really good because unidentified flying object indicates to us that is flying.
But the fact of the matter is maybe it's not flying. Maybe it's
doing something that is not what we understand to be flying. It just happens
to be moving through our sky or moving through our airspace, if you will,
but not obeying the laws of air. You know, this tic TAC
doing this sort of Mexican standoff you if you will, with Dave Fraser,
where they're circling one another, no control surfaces. You know, here's Dave,
Dave Fraser probably in a sixty degree bank trying to maintain the circle and
get behind this thing, and this thing is like, no, you won't
get behind me. I'm going to keep you right over there, one hundred
and eighty degrees across circle from me. Pretty intelligent. Yeah, yeah,
that that shows some definite intelligence. It's not just a balloon sitting there right
some would want to believe or lead us to believe. And it's orbiting around
there without any ailerons to control its role, without any elevator to keep the
nose of it up. It just just going around in a circle. It's
it's really nuts. Yeah. So now we're gonna skip over to the next
lily pad. Money Nathan the Money your your cohort? You will yep?
Yeah, great guy, very knowledgeable guy. How did he get you interested
in Bigfoot? One of the most amazing human beings you'll meet is a money
Nathan Um just one of those people, like you said, you know,
he comes in your life and you're just like wow, man, So Nathan
had Um, I don't know, I don't know what this was about,
but he sent me an episode of Sasquatch Chronicles. You know, everybody who
pays attention to Bigfoot knows that And I listened to one and it was so
visceral, as you know. And then from there I just started looking for
more and more and more bigfoot podcasts. That's how I found you, and
and that was it. I was just like, I am so interested in
this topic. I think for a while the Cabby's thought that I was just
totally gonna leave UFOs behind and just you know, all I wanted to talk
about was Bigfoot. But the fact of the matter is, I believe we
need to talk all three, you know. And I've had those discussions,
and I just fell in love with the topic and started consuming material, listening
to people figuring out hypothesizing, been out in the field a couple of times,
and just I'm just as fascinated with it as as as any topic that's
out there. I just love the talking about bigfoot. Well, what is
the most interesting aspect of bigfoot? What what's drawn you in? And just
grabbed a hold of you like that, This is a great question, um
once drawn me and I I think it's because there is a creature out there
that has been able to leverage it's innate intellect and the size of its brain,
which I guess is, while not as big as ours, is bigger
than you know perhaps other you know primates. And then it's knowledge and been
able to the fact that, uh, you know, as as Ron Moore
had said that potentially there's a language being spoken here, there's a family unit.
Um, there's a security system that they've created around reportedly around the dens
and and and bed down areas that they were berthing areas, whatever you want
to call it. Um. And I just think that was amazing. And
I said, boy, I really want to know more about this creature and
its culture, if you will, if I can, if I can be
so bold to call in a culture. You just recently attended. Was it
your first bigfoot conference? It was? It was wow, wow, your
first? How did that go? You went to the o'calla Bigfoot conference?
Yes, yep, the great found How was it? Um? It was
enjoyable. It was very enjoyable. The ladies that I went out in the
woods with from Ocalaba, I think they're called Bigfoot World and crypt Bigfoot World
is basically the name of the group Cryptids and Paranormal. They they kind of
do it all, but they're really really focused on Bigfoot. Cathy Westerman is
sort of the head of that group, and Pam Esper and Becky Rawlinson,
all three of those ladies spoke were the second speakers I believe at the event
after RPG spoke UM and UM. I really enjoyed it. I mean,
if I if there's one thing I wish I would have done, I would
have gone around to some of the vendors and asked them this question. You
know that why are you? You know, because they've always thought if Bigfoot
had the ability to understand, because they don't, they wouldn't understand m money,
you know, they wouldn't understand this human thing that we have, you
know, this money and trade and barter. Maybe they understand barter, that's
possible with with with the natives, you would know more about that than I.
But how fascinated people are with them as a species that they've created all
the you know, every kind of trinket and T shirt and sellable good and
key chain and everything you can imagine people have created as a result, if
not solely based on their fascination with Bigfoot. And it's potentially it's culture,
but at least the specter that that exists. Bigfoot and pop culture never ceases
to amaze me. I mean it's something I think about a lot. Okay,
because I'm into pop culture anyways. I'm into comic books, action figures,
you know, all that stuff. A product of the eighties and nineties.
Jeez, dating myself here, But I mean whenever it comes to these
type subjects, I mean, just take the Lockness Monster. The Lockness Monster
is globally known. I would dare say that as many people have heard of
the Lockness Monster as have heard of Bigfoot. But you don't see the Locknest
Monster or being used to market things everywhere like you do Bigfoot. I mean
even from like just YETI coolers just using the name. But you see like
Bigfoot all the time, you know, you see it everywhere. You see
on all kinds of different products, and especially in the past ten years or
so, Bigfoot has just become a symbol that people just you know, buy
stickers and T shirts and everything else who don't even necessarily believe in Bigfoot.
They just want a Bigfoot sticker on the back of their jeep as they drive
around town. It's crazy to me, It's just absolutely nuts to me.
What's the fascination, man, Well, yeah, I was going to ask
you, because I think you're gonna ask me that question, I'll ask you
that question. I don't know. I think it might have something to do
with we. You know, I've heard some people theorize that don't necessarily believe
bigfoot is real, that bigfoot is something that man has created because it it's
something that we all yearn to be, to get back to that primitive connection
with you know, nature and being free and wild and not confined by the
rules of society and everything. Maybe that's it. I don't know. Maybe
they just think it looks cool. Maybe they just think it's cute. I
really have no idea whenever it comes to that one. It's but it's become
a trend. Bigfoot is trendy, which is kind of scary to me.
But what do you think, man? I think I think it's possible that
that whether people want to admit it or not. They So you have all
those people that have had encounters or heard of encounters, people that have heard
of encounters like me through people like you, Matt, that have had encounters,
say I want to have that happen and see how it feels and see
how I react and hear it potentially and feel it. So there's that aspect,
and the second aspect is is would that creature see something in me?
You know, I want to see it. I want to see what it
does, how it lives, because it's so mysterious, how it is able
to how they are able to survive as they do, and so there's so
much intrigue there, whereas Lockness monster a lot. You know, first of
all, there's very few people who have ever seen it, certainly haven't interacted
with it. You know, in Bigfoot, potentially there are people that cohabitate
with them and see them regularly, or you know, or feeding them or
maybe just have them come to their property just because the family group that's nearby
has resources and and is you know, if you know this creature, you
can't see how you know, Vic says this all the time, Vic Caundiff,
You can't find it difficult to believe that with them as as Vic says,
them being bored out in the woods, that they wouldn't want to come
up to somebody's house and look in the window and see what the hell is
going on or look in the family room. Right for sure, that's not
I mean, I mean anything that's even you know, I mean, if
there was a guerrilla there, they might want to do that if they lived,
you know, in the Tennessee Valley, you know, River Valley somewhere.
I mean. So, so a lot of these things feed into something
that we can relate to. For all these reasons, you know, for
the people that just want to have the craps scared out of them and run
back to the car and never do it again. To the people that just
want like me, who just want to see what it feels like, sounds
like, smells like, looks like. To people that you know, um,
want to go out and hunt one and kill one and bring it in
for science and become famous. So there's all these different aspects of it.
But I think at the at the root of it, all of no matter
whether you want to go and take one down like some of the groups out
there, or somebody who just wants to see when you want to understand how
it is they do what they do, how they can hide. We believe
it exists, and that's why we're like, you know, and maybe that
gets back to what you said, you know, maybe there's a certain freedom
aspect or something. But I think that's what begets all the stickers, and
then there's just a certain amount of commercialization in anything that's popular. I think
at the heart of a lot of it is for people who don't know,
or they might be on the fence, or even some people that think they
don't exist at all, they still want to think that they might. They
want them to exist. They think the concept of them existing and saying hidden
so long it is a good thing that you know, there's this land out
there that something like that could still survive and live and thrive and continue on
that man hasn't ruined or disturbed or you know, completely destroyed altogether. I
think that desire for them to be real is strong in a lot of people,
even if it's on as simple like they've only thought about the subject one
time in their life as they bought the coffee mug or something. They still
think it would be cool if this thing did exist. And then there's a
certain group of people that are very very invested in it not existing, because
if it exists, if UFOs exists, if ghosts and Poulter guides exist,
right which you happen to know that all three of these things exist, But
if it exists, then I need to worry about it, and I need
to account for the fact that there is something that I cannot control with a
forty four magnum. Yeah, and that does not make me comfortable. And
if you're going to change my worldview and bring and push me out of my
comfort zone, I'm going to push back on you and say this thing does
not exist because that makes me feel good. Yeah. So there's that exactly.
I know a skeptic, a very strong skeptic in the bigfoot where.
He's really famous in the bigfoot community, the online bigfoot community. He has
a very popular Facebook group. I'm not going to say his name, but
this guy, if he's listening, which he does, listen to Bigfoot podcasts
all the time. He and I have butted heads and agreed numerous times over
the years. I haven't talked to him in a long time. I got
kind of peoed at him. But his stance is that, or at least
the last time I spoke with him, that he thinks there's a chance it's
all just psychological and nobody's actually seen a bigfoot in Bigfoot's not real. He
has not seen anything to con vince him that Bigfoot exists. Great yet in
private conversations that he and I had, he openly admitted that his daughter saw
one. Okay, so then he fits quite well into that category, doesn't
he. Yeah, absolutely, the aforementioned Yeah, yeah, yeah. That
is a place of comfort and it's a security blankie. Nothing exists that is
out of my control that I can't fathom that I can't take out with my
you know, my seven mag or whatever I mean. But the fact of
the matter is there are things that are that are out of our control,
and I mean, I can't prove that. And what I'm really happy about
is I don't have to prove it. I don't have to prove any I
tell people when people start getting bent around the axle about to bunkers, and
I'm not going to name them either, because when people name them, they
just they just it's like seeing up their power meter in a in a in
one of these online games. Um, I don't have to prove anything to
you, so you can either believe it or not believe it. I don't
care. I'm here to find out for myself, um and to talk with
people about it if that I think are credible about it. But I really
don't care if somebody says there's no such thing as UFOs because they would have
said that a couple of years ago. Well, they're not saying that now
because now it's been it's it's it's been vetted by the government by uh,
you know, they've come out and said, hey, you know, we're
going to throw some money at this. They're credible aviators, both commercial and
excuse me, a civil commercial aviators and military aviators would come out and said
they've had these encounters. Plus police officers that are in our communities have seen
them. Uh, and they've also seen Bigfoot. So I mean, you
can say it doesn't exist. That makes you feel good, But you know,
how a nut I wanted to ask you. I know you've been out
in the field with Tyler Howe who was on episode fifty five of big Foot
Crossroads. If anybody wants to check it out, did ye did you happen
to bump into him at the conference? Was he there? I did not
see Tyler there. Um I did see his friend Stacy Brown Junior spoke with
him a little bit. I saw, I saw. I spoke with run
Moorehead a little bit, dropped a card off with him. I talked with
doctor Jeff Meldrum a little bit. And I spoke with Dave Politis, who
probably won't be appearing with us based on his standards, but it would be
interesting to have him and offshoot into missing persons a little bit. But no,
I didn't see Tyler down there. What was your time like out in
the field with Tyler? Oh? It was great, man, when we
enjoyed it. Um. You know, he gave me some tips along with
the guy that was with him, and um, you know, we we
basically sat around the fire. We thought we heard one call from way far
away, but but nothing significant happened that night. But but I enjoyed that
time. And we went out another time and um, I think the only
thing we might have found looked like a twisted tree. Um. And then
I went out one area that you you recommended based on your your matrix,
but my wife chickened out and wanted to come back. So chicking out,
yeah, she just you know, we're deep in the woods. She heard
a woodpecker and got scared, you know. But she's a city girl,
so you know, Um, so I need to hit that area again.
And obviously in Pensacola, met met a moneymaker rode up in area on bfr
row that uh in Pensacola that I think is worthy of some investigation. So,
you know, in the big Foot world, there's a lot of arguments,
you know, we don't get her, we don't get her along very
well, a lot of dividing lines that people have drawn in the sand,
and the biggest of all at this point in time has to be, you
know, flesh and blood versus the wu. Are these things an undiscovered species
of primate and that's it? Or do they have abilities that we don't comprehend
or have an explanation for. What is your position on that? Um?
You know, my position, based on you know, anecdotal evidence from everybody
that you've heard, is perhaps both are true. I mean, first of
all, I certainly believe it's a flesh and blood animal. But the way
I think of it, and we've spoken about this privately, and we've spoken
about it on CAB as well, which is what we call calling all beings,
we just called CAB for short. Um. So, if I were
to say to you, Matt, does every person that you know have the
same psychic ability or ability to project and use their mind in a powerful way?
Do they have the ability or are they able to use it manifested the
ability, because potentially we all have it. The easy answer is no,
not everyone can do that. Yeah, potentially we could all manifest it.
Right but right correct. But there are people that are able to go into
a home and communicate with spirits and find out like Amy Ellen, that can
find out an entire history nearly just from being in the home and find out
what happened there. So you have people that can interact with them, that
can ask them to leave you. So you have people that have different mental
abilities. You have these remote viewers, you know the Ingo Swan students from
that study I think was done at as Stanford and then the CIA got involved.
But there was I want to say his name was Pat Smith. I
may have the first name wrong. I could go back and check, but
he was a prolific remote viewer in that program with the CIA, and this
gentleman could you could give him a set of coordinates and he would go and
the program written large had like a seventy percent success rate. But he could
given a set of coordinates, he could say, Yeah, I see a
big corrugated aluminum building. I see a crane next to it and I see
a huge pile of shellstone, you know, something like that, And that
particular target was in somewhere in the Soviet Union. So you know, there
are people that have this ability, that can do this. So why is
it that some Bigfoot could potentially have an ability that other bigfoots do not,
that some of them might be able to or have a desire to mind speak
and some do not, or don't know how or just don't want to.
Is that possible? Is within the realm of possibility? I submit that it
is. And so humans, if you believe this, have been interacted with
non human intelligences, been abducted, receive downloads from a number of people that
I've spoken with. Actually, you know friends of mine have had this happen.
So is it possible that Bigfoot has also had this happen, or that
a non human intelligence has seen fit to leverage big Foot in that way and
have one come through a portal or exit a portal. We talked about the
mechanics of portal. It's like mind blowing because we don't understand how they open,
how they call all these sorts of things about portals. So is it
is it possible that that that bigfoot has been used in that way. You
know, I really liked H. T. J. Allard is that his
last name, yep. I really liked his take on portals and how just
the nomenclature alone kind of paints a picture of something that we don't even know
for certain as happening. That it may not be some you know, doorway
from here to there as much as it is just sort of a materialization or
manifestation that occurs. I thought that was really interesting. Oh, we don't
know, right, But do we have to get bent around the axle in
the language or kid and we see that maybe something's afoot here? You know,
we had terry on no fun intended? Did there that there is something
too it? Regardless of what the language is, because if we had caught
up in the language, then we're looking for a reason to say it's bullshit.
I find it kind of childish a lot of the times, and I'm
as guilty of it as anyone. Okay, I get caught up in it.
I do because I'm passionate about the subject. Anytime you're passionate about a
subject, it's easy to get drawn into these arguments. However, is this
something we should even be worrying about, let alone arguing about Yet. I
mean, isn't that kind of put in the cart before the horse? It
is what something we should be worried about, whether they're flesh and blood or
have these other abilities that we can't comprehend. I mean, I mean,
shouldn't we be out there, you know, trying to learn about them and
just let the learning come to us as opposed to just creating these scenarios ourselves,
just going off our own observations and letting that dictate where we go.
Sure, but then somebody's experience, you know, if somebody saw what you
know, just like Terry helped me with the guy from South Carolina and the
gentleman. We had one Ered Windell that was out there, and those he
and his team of professionals, now people that trusted people in your community.
Um, you know the paramedic guy and you know all these other folks that
said, we saw a portal, We saw these people walk into this this
area and they like disappeared off the therm, and when they backed up,
we saw them again. So um, so yes, you're right, you
know, we should go out and study them and find out absolutely as much
as we can. But if someone had a viscer experience like yours, why
shouldn't they be able to talk about it? Oh they should, They should
it absolutely. I just think we make a mistake whenever there's it just becomes
this argument just instantly. It's not a matter of this is what I experienced.
You tell me what you experienced, and we'll talk about it. It's
this is what I experienced. Oh you experienced something different, Well then I
know more than you do. You're Wrong's just the first place it goes.
And it's both sides that are guilty of it too. It's not just one
or the other. It's the most human thing ever. But it doesn't really
have to go there. I mean, it's just like if I had that
experience now and I were on Twitter or in this case, you know,
the big the UFO world operates on Twitter, the big folk world operates on
Facebook. I wouldn't have that argument. I would say this happened if they
said, yeah, you're full of it or whatever. And first of all,
I wouldn't even have a chat with somebody about it like that. I
would want to talk to a fellow, you know, like a podcast or
something. But I'm not going to just expose myself to the big Foot universe
and say, yeah, this happened. I mean, wait for somebody to
come come back and you know, give the yeah okay emoji or say you're
full of it thumbs up. Right. When you do that, you are
opening yourself up to those individuals. You're opening yourself up to criticism, and
you are almost I would, I would, I would almost say you're almost
looking for a fight, because you know that's going to happen. It shouldn't
happen. You should be able to relay your experience and have someone to say,
hey, okay, but um, but but that's not going to happen.
That's not real. It doesn't happen on UFOs, and obviously, as
you're stating, it doesn't happen in the big Foot community. I have divorced
myself from these and but I'm blessed that I get to talk to people on
shows and talk about my views. You know, I just am The only
thing I'm advocate from Matt is don't close the door, you know, or,
as Lou Alsando says regarding UFOs, basically, everything's on the table until
it's off the table. And if somebody thinks that they have enough evidence or
enough experience with bigfoot to know that it's it's off the table, that they've
never been in a situation where there was a track way and then all of
a sudden and it's in an open field and then the tracks just stopped,
like Jonathan Dover told us that. Then okay, then you're saying that person's
lying, and okay, But to me, I just say it's on the
table until it's off. Certainly one hundred percent with everybody flesh and blood creature,
because all you guys, so many of you, people who are extremely
credible, have had these experiences, have seen them. Some of you see
them on a regular basis at your property, and I believe you, And
that's great. Does that mean that there isn't another element to them that that
we don't know, Well, we don't know. So if somebody wants to
say, well, I'm flesh and blood and tell someone shows an otherwise,
okay, great, awesome. So what are some of the similarities and differences
between the UFO world and the Bigfoot world? Oh man, it's very much
the same. Um you know, in the bigfoot world, you have an
archetype who is much more prone to going out in the woods and experiencing the
forest and engaging in field research. And then the UFO community. There's a
gentleman we had on named Carl Vibe and when one of the former cabbies got
him to come on our show named Steph, Thank you Steph. Carl had
like one point two million subscribers and I and I don't usually look at that
thing, but somebody told me that he had that, and I went and
looked. I think it was Steph said that, And then I started looking
at countries like Lichtenstein and I was like, wow, like, you have
more subscribers than Liechtenstein. And I named like a couple of other obscurity European
country, So in an entire country of followers, yeah, I think it
was like Slovenia, Luxembourg and Lichtenstein, and he had more subscribers than those
three countries or something. Carl does actually go out and do field research.
He spent a lot of time in the un To Basin in Utah, you
know, not far from skin Walker, looking at different Indian barrel grounds and
stuff and cave scrawlings and things. So he does a lot of physical field
research. He is I want to say the exception. He's not the exception
because there are others out there like Carl Vibe, but they're more the exception
than the rule. They're in the UFOs. It's a lot of academic research
combing over through archives of different places gathered moof on gathering reports, anything that's
publicly been released by anybody. You know. Deb's done a lot of that.
She has a great archive of that. Deb also on Calling All Beings.
So there's a lot of people like that. But in Bigfoot, I
think you just have a lot of people who are a lot more outdoorsty and
want to go in the woods and explore, which is great. And I
love what Cliff Barrickman says. And while I don't necessarily see eye to eye
with Cliff on everything, boy you know he says, don't not go in
the woods. You know they they're there now, they've always been there.
Don't be afraid to go in the woods. Just know what you're gonna do,
sort of have a plan, you know, be smart, you know,
peruse these shows and listen to people that can give you some safety tips
and dues and don'ts and know when to back off, follow your you know
your inner guidance. If you think you know what I need to get out
of this area right now. I don't feel comfortable. I feel like I'm
you know, thirty paces ago. I didn't feel this. I'm going to
head back that direction, back to where whence I came. So you know,
those are the differences in the community. Unfortunately, what's the same is
the exact same in fighting. I mean, as long as humans are involved,
I think that's inevitable. It's it's just going to happen. It's just
something that we're going to have to learn how to work around. Correct.
Unfortunately, I tell people don't engage. If you go and you go looking
for a fight, posting your stuff in the community, you'll get there and
you will bring a negative energy and bad feelings into your world. And if
you don't engage with them, you have everything to gain and nothing to lose.
If you do go out there looking for it, you will find exactly
what you're looking for. You'll find that dissenter in what you're purport on,
whether it be Facebook or a blog or Twitter. If you're a UFO person,
then you bring that negativity right into your life. And why you need
that just go and do your thing and communicate with people who at least are
open to share ideas with you, like Matt and I do. We don't
necessarily have to agree on everything, but we have phone conversations and we share
ideas and and we try to open our aperture. And sometimes he shows me,
DJ you know, you're on the wrong path right here, and now
I'll say, okay, let me recage. So anyway, that's all I
have on that, I mean, But in fairness, there's been times whenever
you know, you've told me to pump my brakes and you've been in the
right by doing so, you know, sometimes anybody, but speaking on my
own behalf, you know, I get those blinders on and get set in
my way, you know, and I think that I've got something figured out
and it's a certain way, whenever it may not necessarily be that way,
or maybe it is, But that doesn't mean there aren't other perspectives that I
could look at and acknowledge in the meantime. So at the end of the
day, it's not a question of if, but should Bigfoot be proven to
exist? You know, the more I think about it, I mean,
I did hear a good perspective. The other day, I'm trying to remember
if it was someone at the conference or elsewhere that talked about a conservation effort
whereby maybe if bigfoot were put on the endangered species list, what would what
would be the case? You know, what would be the result if that
happened. So I also want to keep my options open and not decide,
because here I am on your show, Matt, and I'm telling people,
don't decide, just say, Okay, the evidence that I've seen suggests this,
and that's where I am right now. But I'm open to other possibilities
should they present themselves. You know, that's I think a really good posture
to have, to keep you open minded, even if you're someone who's been
doing this for a couple of decades and I'm a damn greenhorn who hasn't seen
anything yet. But I think it's a good posture for something we don't know.
Relative to proving the exist I think that I think that it's pretty safe
at this point, although not one hundred percent to say that if I care,
what do I care about? What do I want? So first you
have to have a desire, and then we could see how do I achieve
what my goal is. So if my goal is that I want to prove
to the world that bigfoot exists and see a scientific name tag attached to it,
and study it's you know, it's anatomy and figure out, you know,
look at all it's digestive tract and everything, and figure out look at
its brain and everything. Are one of them's brain, etc. Then Michael,
obviously, you know, would be along with these folks that want to
kill one and bring it in, and that would a lot of people couldn't
then, you know, when you look at a community as big as ours,
and I placed myself in part of this big foot community, people can
say, oh, see, I told you so it exists. See I've
been telling you all along. They could go to their mom's house and their
dad and their uncle because now it's been on the news and everything whole New
Thanksgiving dinner, sending that big fund on New Yeah. Yeah, ain't sitting
at the kids table this year at damn right, I'm being the head of
the table. Let me carve that turn so um because uh um, you
know, if you get it on, you know, and it's on a
podium at you know, the Department of the Interior or at the White at
a White House press briefing, and you know they show some photos of a
of a of a corpse or something and they say, yeah, this exists
and etc. You know what would be the result for Bigfoot. And you
know, we just talked about the proclivities of humans when you when you're surrounding
a topic that we're going to argue. It doesn't matter even if something looks
super absolute. You know, people are going to argue and say, no,
it's not real, you're lying, you're a government agent, and all
this kind of neat stuff. However, for Bigfoot, they're doing apparently well
on their own progress in terms of building infrastructure, homes, developments, clearing
land. I mean I'm searing. I'm seeing it up here near the Egland
Range, close to the Egland Range where they're they're building, you know,
just south of I ten. You know what is it? Ten fifteen miles
or so south of I ten. So you know, those kinds of things
are not good for Bigfoot. And potentially if people knew this existed, the
human condition might take over and people might say, I want one of these
hanging on my wall, I want a rug A Bigfoot rug in front of
my fireplace. And if if that's the case, then that would not be
good. If you got instead of a few teams of people that are out
there hunting them, however many that is five or less that that have a
dedicated mission statement to kill one and bring one in. Maybe you would have
twenty five or thirty or fifty teams across forty nine states that have the same
goal to do that. Um, that I don't think would necessarily be good
for Bigfoot. And now they're you know, trying to hide. And now
you know what if if one gets shot and it's a teenager, and then
in alpha male and and some others come after that that group of hunters and
then it turns into a violent situation, then then it could ramp things up
even more where now maybe the DD needs to get involved, you know,
or Department of Homeland Security needs to get involved or something because of uh,
you know, hunters were killed in some sort of a firefight, um,
and a log hit one in the head and then another one got you know,
tackled. I mean, there's all kinds of scenarios I could envision that
wouldn't necessarily be good. So I'm sort of in that vein of leave them
alone, which is why I was going to write a letter to Tim Burchett.
Any of you who listen to I'm sure none of you listen to CAB.
Yes, I did a real short interview with Tennessee and Dan Warren,
who is a great guy, you engineer and a UFO advocate, and his
constituent in Congress as Tim Burchett, who I am told is open to the
idea of bigfoot and is an advocate for UFO disclosure. And I thought about
writing to his staff when I got his information, and I stopped myself.
So I don't know, Matt, I think that's the case. I think
there's a lot of people that would want to be the one that that There's
a certain amount of people I think, like Cliff Barrickman would just be happy
that to understand from a scientific perspective what's going on. That he's hypothesized about
this and he's not out to shoot one. But I think, you know,
he would want to see the results of what is it has been actualized
in real life after he's been hypothesizing and theorizing and studying it in earnest for
you know, a couple of decades, and then I think there's other people
that want to say, you know, take t J. Allard up on
his offer and say, I want to become famous as the guy who bagged
one and be on TV. And then there's other people who maybe there are
people that just want to see a conservancy effort. So there's a lot of
different groups. But I think the best thing for them at this point,
and I'm open to the idea of being wrong and that maybe there is a
possible conservation effort that could be undertaken and actually provide some protection. I'm open
to that idea, but I'd say I'm leaning towards right now, with the
current information we have, they probably should just be left alone. So there's
different ways to look at it. Great answer. He covered a lot of
bases, but the fact that they haven't even been proven to exist yet,
to me, is a pretty good indicator that the I really need our quote
unquote protection. I mean, I don't think they would need our protection until
it was proven to exist, and then from that point, I mean,
there's only a handful of animals that you're allowed to hunt at nighttime, and
those are usually considered nuisance animals. Like Ferrell hogs in certain areas. You
know, hunting is very regulated and there's a lot of rules and laws to
abide by, and you will get heavily fined and imprisoned if you break those
rules. So if bigfoot were to be proven to exist, a lot of
these people, a lot of these trophy hunters, they would have a hard
time doing it. In my opinion, I think they would have a very
difficult time. You know that you can't go out there and just bag one.
It's just not that easy. And you know, these things are very
capable of taking human life if they wanted to, and I think they would
in certain situations, whether they you know, had to protect themselves or their
families or whatever, just like a human does. But I'm kind of like
you, I'm I'm kind of on the fence on the subject. You know,
It's something that I would love to see as a witness. I'd love
to have that vindication and being able to learn something about them, But at
the same time, I kind of want them to be left alone. I
don't think that humans are necessarily good for them. Anytime we get involved with
something, it usually goes wrong. So yeah, it's a tough call.
It's a tough call, you know. Damned if you do, damned if
you don't. Let me just say this, I care about them more than
I care about me to them, my desire for them. I care about
them more than my desire of of of of a certain my own personal desire
to have an outcome for them. I'm just thinking of them as a species.
Right. That's that's the thing that people have to decide do. I
want to please me and and be able to tell every and believe me.
I go through this too with friends, with families, with colleagues, you
know that that think that this thing, that don't believe it, and you'd
love to be able to say, see right, yeah, But where is
that stack up against? I really want this creature to be able to live
out its life on this planet in a in a way that that serves it
as a species, not my desire for its outcome. That's going to serve
some goal that I have as a person, which has nothing to do with
them as a species. Right, And like the fame or of the fortune,
you know, like that whole angle. I mean a lot of people
talk about different species that weren't discovered until fairly recently, you know, as
far as humanity's timeline is concerned, at least, you know, the guerrilla
Komodo dragon, things of that nature, and lots of people can rattle those
names off and rattle off the facts. You know that they weren't discovered until
this year or this year. But who discovered them? Who proved them?
You don't remember that name. You don't know that name. And I think
that whoever would be the person to prove that Bigfoot existed, Yeah, they
would have their paycheck given to them or whatever. They might get featured in,
you know, a straight to streaming in the straight to Netflix movie or
something. But overall they're not going to go down in the history books or
anything. I think it would eventually just become as accepted and known and and
that would be it. It would just be another thing, and you know,
another feather in the hat of humanity is something that we conquered. I
don't I don't think that famine fortune is really all that much out there,
like people think it is maybe fifteen minutes worth. I mean that's what yeah,
no, I mean that's what TJS after. I mean, you could
you could imagine you could have a multi night special on it. You could
have a Netflix documentary on it that would probably be you know, I mean
there's money to be made uh in it, and well we don't know how
long that would last. Like you said, you know, you might not
remember them the way you remember like Howard Carter, you know, Unearthed too
in common, you know what I mean. So it it's it's possible,
but but really you know that fifteen minutes is definitely there, and and the
you know, the documentary movies and stuff. But again it's you know,
what is what is really your goal? You know, you know, my
my goal is just you know, for them, I want it. I'd
love to get out there and experience it and not piss them off. But
you know, relative to what you said before about trophy hunting, you know,
you can envision things like people saying, if I'm going to go out
and hunt these things, I have to up caliber. I have to get
to you know, different rounds. You know that we would use, you
know, uh AR fifteen types, but you know of a larger caliber and
different types of rounds with more stopping power. And then maybe get some military
you know, ex military guys to come along that are down you know,
you can imagine all kinds of scenarios that would take place if somebody wanted to
trophy hunt it, and and that would increase their you know, their chances.
But again, is that good for you know, Bigfoot? You know,
probably not, is somebody you know, unless you have the right people
with you. Is there a chance that somebody could get shot um, you
know, friendly fire? Yes? Is there a possibility that they could take
out a youth or or a female or a female, you know, a
pregnant female. It's it's quite possible. Is it possible that they're not taking
out an animal, they're taking out a person. It's possible. It's it's
very very possible given the DNA uh, the potential uh, you know DNA
numbers that could exist. So yeah, there's that too. So there's so
many you know, you will started to hear. I mean, there's so
many outcomes that aren't necessarily good for Bigfoot, and I just would like to
see the best outcome for them that they not die off. You know,
I just heard yesterday I was listening to this short history podcast where they went
over a lot, they went over a wounded knee, they went over um
buffalo Bill Cody and how he got that nickname on killing buffaloes and how buffalo's
one of the things that really as you well know, because you're you know,
their cultured, you know much much better than I do that that um,
there are a lot of white men that would kill the buffalo, take
the horns in the skin, and leave the rest of the animal there to
rot, something that really pissed off Native Americans that used every part of that
animal. When when they harvested them, and there was something like I don't
remember did they say four million buffalo and then we got to under a thousand
at one point in the endangered part. I mean that you know, you
hear those kinds of things, and that's you know, you kind of think
about Bigfoot when when you hear those things, there's photographs up there, you
know, especially the you know back then the rich people where all the money
was was was with trains, you know, the train companies moving across you
know, the frontier and everything connecting the east coast to west coast, and
they were the one that they were financing a large, large, large part
of the buffalo slaughter taking place, because you know, the buffalo herds would
just they were going through their grazing land. So you can't put a train
track through a buffalo herd, you know, it's it's dangerous and it causes
problems. So we've got to get rid of them. We got to eradicate
them. And there's photographs out there of just these huge mounds of buffalo skulls
that I mean, it looks real, it looks fake. There's so many.
It's just mind boggling. The way that the buffalo were slaughtered. It's
it's absolutely crazy. It makes me ill. And it's through that prism that
you have to view on what we're looking at today. And even though we're
more we're significantly more civilized as a people than we were then, it's still
um there's a certain potential that exists for some very negative outcomes for Bigfoot,
and that that that's the thing. It's just you know, just ask yourself,
do I care about Bigfoot? Or do I care what the hell I
want with Bigfoot? And if if it's that, then you know you know
where you're at. And as long as you know where you're at, you're
being honest with yourself. You know nobody's gonna you know, we can't nobody's
going to change you. You know as a person, that's something that you
know. You have to decide what you want, but just know what that
is. You have to you have to know Um and be able to put
it all together and think about this, this creature if you believe it exists,
and then think about, Okay, what do I want here and why?
And what will be the result? And am I okay with that?
Because I just don't care. I just want the result that I want.
One final question before we get off here. Sure, whenever it comes to
calling all beings, who has been your favorite guest? And why? Is
it me? Just kidding? I won't I won't do that to you,
but we both know the answer. But no, seriously, last question for
our generation, the people that are currently alive listening to this show right now,
in your opinion, should we be preparing ourselves for the first alien contact?
You know, if you listen to deb if you listen to Nathan and
Nathan Um also has a show called Liminal Frames where he's on with this guy
named exo Academian. His name is Darren and he has become, to use
another Yiddish word, a big macher in the in the UFO community. He's
been to the Monroe Institute, He's learned how to remote view to a degree.
He's had been to the Chris Bledsoe property and had some experiences. He
receives downloads and when you listen to people like him, like deb and others,
they believe that that we will. Um. So I don't have a
feeling necessarily one way or the other. I don't have a I don't feel
like I have an insight or a perspective to offer. So I kind of
lean on people that are feeling pretty confident about it, and those those individuals
are and more than them. So so yeah, I mean I think you
should open yourself up to that possibility. So there isn't what Darren would call
ontological shock by seeing something that we just don't understand. I kind of think
along the lines of if something's going to happen, something's going to happen,
and I'm not gonna be the one to you know, I can't control whether
it happens or doesn't, so I can't be consumed with it. I'll just
have to react to it when it happens and not you know, try not
to get spun up over it. You know, there are probably things out
there that we just don't I mean, there's certainly, you know, most
certainly things. There are intelligences out there and things out there that we don't
understand, what my friend Matt Napp likes to call the unexplained. So rather
than get spun up about them and become defensive, just be open to the
fact that they exist, and that as long as they're not interfering in my
space and life, then I'm not going to be consumed with grief or fear
about it. DJ. Thank you for joining me, my friend, Thank
you for reaching out to me, and thank you for introducing me to the
wonderful people you have so far. I look forward to meeting more people that
you respect and validate and have a popular opinion of. I look forward to
more conversations with you and just man, I can't say thanks enough. Man,
I've thoroughly enjoyed it. Pitch whatever you want to, pitch, man,
I mean calling all beings. They can find you, they can find
me, they can find Nathan and deb and lay A Prime and who else.
Jeez, man, the list goes on and on. We're so blessed
to have such a great a great crew. Yeah. And well before I
even you know, pimp anything for a CAB, I just want to say
that it's an honored to be on here, to be on a Bigfoot show
and to be able to offer perspective. It's an honor to be part of
the community that I consider myself and just to have you as a friend and
now as a as a colleague, and it's just am extremely gratified, just
feeling feeling great, feeling like not must stay. The light in me sees
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