WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.480 --> 00:00:07.559 This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jakin Zalis on Fox Sports 2 00:00:07.599 --> 00:00:12.640 fourteen fifteen, powered by Nova Insurance Services. Hey sure, your most prized 3 00:00:12.679 --> 00:00:17.879 possessions, kat z R two, SAG and iHeart Radio Station. Hey, 4 00:00:17.920 --> 00:00:20.640 good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to I on the Ball here on Fox Sports 5 00:00:20.640 --> 00:00:24.359 fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. He's Jakin's os. Got a guy Jason 6 00:00:24.399 --> 00:00:29.199 in today for another day of sports time. He's almost done. Yes, 7 00:00:29.679 --> 00:00:34.119 our guys thing and go to school and stuff. He does. He'd rather 8 00:00:34.119 --> 00:00:39.880 stay here here. We'll see him around. He's around everywhere. Yeah, 9 00:00:40.799 --> 00:00:43.799 walk in the halls of the big chempus see him, I see him, 10 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:50.359 Yeah, asking those tough questions. Yeah yeah, the swallow year before the 11 00:00:50.359 --> 00:00:53.600 real world hits. And let me tell you, Jacksons, it sucks out 12 00:00:53.640 --> 00:00:57.600 here, so I've heard alright, alright times. Are you guys even even 13 00:00:57.600 --> 00:01:00.840 worse? Jason? Yeah, you end up looking like us, just worse, 14 00:01:02.200 --> 00:01:08.640 not so much looking at us. Uh yeah, yeah, but I'm 15 00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:14.000 looking for the word that disgruntled, but very gritty, very what's the word 16 00:01:14.120 --> 00:01:18.120 jade? It's uh jaded, jaded, You're jaded. I'm not jaded. 17 00:01:18.159 --> 00:01:21.680 You're jaded. Certain things, you're jaded. Don't luve me in with with 18 00:01:21.799 --> 00:01:25.560 you a bunch of jaded dudes over there. Man, you know what, 19 00:01:25.599 --> 00:01:29.760 I got out of the racket long and early enough not get jaded. Like. 20 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:33.319 No, but you're you're a fan who's jaded. Well, you might 21 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:40.120 call me this disillusional. Okay, delusional, not disillusional delusional, but I'm 22 00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:44.120 I don't know, maybe sometimes sometimes Okay, Well, you can't be kind 23 00:01:44.159 --> 00:01:47.599 of pregnant. No, that's true. So you're kind of you can be 24 00:01:47.599 --> 00:01:52.200 a little delusional and not a lot to los okayisional some things and others. 25 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:57.200 Let's move on from this. Good to see everybody. Uh, let's talk 26 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:00.040 about we have a pretty good show today. We can you find a grooder? 27 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:04.239 Where did you find well? Uh? As we were doing our breaking 28 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:07.519 news yesterday and I did, I didn't want to break it because we were 29 00:02:07.760 --> 00:02:10.240 doing other stuff. But Jack Jack right former you know, our buddy the 30 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:15.919 bull, former guy Arizon Daily Star. Guy uh worked and worked in covering 31 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:19.080 a lot of sports in Phoenix, works it now he's he's retired. So 32 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:23.560 we worked summers as the official scorekeeper for the Colorado Rockies, which UH we 33 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:27.639 have fun with. But Jacksonville buddy of ours, and he works. He 34 00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:32.039 does some writing for website called sportsbetting time dot com and he came out with 35 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:36.879 a PAC twelfth preview yesterday. Yeah, so we're actually gonna talk football today, 36 00:02:36.919 --> 00:02:39.960 Steve, Well we are again. Well, you know, get used 37 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:42.599 to it, man, this is this is what we're doing now for a 38 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:45.319 while. Yeah, but I'll be kind of good. We're gonna talk some 39 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:49.400 talk some actual football with Did you see the list or you're gonna ask about 40 00:02:49.400 --> 00:02:53.360 the list? His? Uh? Well he he he only picked. He 41 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:58.120 just picked a conference champion. He didn't like pick the standings and uh and 42 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:00.599 uh, you're not gonna be happy with this conference champion? And then, 43 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:05.360 uh, well you can pick whoever you want. I know who's gonna win 44 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:08.560 it. This Okay, maybe you're not gonna you're gonna do let me say 45 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:13.639 different. You're gonna disagree with this conference. It's gonna pick it. And 46 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:15.319 that's fine because a lot of people are picking him right, and I'm okay 47 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:19.199 with that just doesn't mean it's right. I've seen a lot of people be 48 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:22.719 wronging before. Yeah. Yeah, so I've been wrong too. And and 49 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:27.360 as as it appears that Phil Mickelson was wrong about a billion times. But 50 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:30.599 that's that's a story for another time. I don't know if you picked that 51 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:34.360 up for breaking. We're gonna have to talk about it, okay. And 52 00:03:34.439 --> 00:03:38.639 then at four fifteen you got Pete Willings. You joined us today? Yeah, 53 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:40.639 yeah, yeah, I wanted to talk to him. He's coming for 54 00:03:40.680 --> 00:03:45.639 the camp obviously in a couple of weeks. But specifically he was around when 55 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:49.360 the Pac twelve was, when Averzonna took over the Pack twelve kind of in 56 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:53.240 the basketball just his thoughts on it's getting out of it now and just you 57 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:54.960 know, reminiscing about the good old days. Yeah, yeah, I was. 58 00:03:55.240 --> 00:03:59.879 I was doing some stuff over at Kvaway there. They're new general managers. 59 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:03.759 Guy who back in the day, he worked at Kazya z and uh 60 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:08.039 did a lot of stuff, you know, early on when Luke got here. 61 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:12.159 Remind me that was the chanel back in the day, Okay, in 62 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:14.960 the day, and so that's where games you caught most games. What is 63 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:17.800 it? How long ago was it? His name is Peter, Peter O'Brien 64 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:20.240 be. He's now the general manager. Is he an older guy? Can 65 00:04:20.360 --> 00:04:27.720 must be? He's he's probably because let us maybe maybe he's around our age 66 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:30.040 or maybe a little young because Bill Bill what's his name was there for he 67 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:32.759 replaced him. Yeah, okay, he's only been here about two years. 68 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:39.160 Okay, so you know they're they're having their seventy seventieth anniversary, So I'm 69 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:41.360 going to story on that. So totally. I walked in. He's got 70 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:45.879 all this you know, basketball memorabilia on this credenza and he was explaining that, 71 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:47.480 you know, you know when he was here, when Luke got here, 72 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:50.639 and you know, the Ludelson Show was on that channel. That's what 73 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:53.839 you got to do. A lot of that No No clumb Trea, some 74 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:57.000 cool vintage stuff. Yeah, yeah, okay, great, great, great, 75 00:04:57.040 --> 00:04:59.439 So yeah, I wanted to invite Pete over to talk about all this 76 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:00.519 stuff. Pizza one of those great guys, one of the great guys. 77 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:03.240 Yeah, he always have a lot of fun with him too. His legs, 78 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:06.920 we'll ask, well, ask because he's been improving and he's a I 79 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:11.279 think he's still a probation guy in California. You don't want to miss a 80 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:14.360 Pete the dude still even with a bad leg. I'm not taking him on, 81 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:16.759 Dude, he's he could kick my ass with one leg. Do you 82 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:21.879 remember you remember when Luke had his fantasy, his return of guys twenty years 83 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:26.879 ago, it was and old guys and you guys, he was like still 84 00:05:26.920 --> 00:05:29.439 the star player. Yeah, well was that was at the time Tilbert showed 85 00:05:29.480 --> 00:05:31.439 up in deck shapes and played basketball. Yeah, probably right, yeah, 86 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:34.879 yeah, yeah yeah yeah. And Pete takes the serious man. Yeah, 87 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:38.160 I'm sure he does. You know, I bet he's still competes hard, 88 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:42.319 even Eddie Smith, because those guys were bulldogs and that's what made them. 89 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:45.240 That's what made them great, you know at Arizona, and that's what all 90 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:48.040 you know, build ariz On. It just the the attitude and brother we 91 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:51.160 talked about, you know, had it not been for herm Harris and and 92 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:56.920 those dudes money and and those guys wrap us up this uh, that phase 93 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:00.040 kind of started the building box man, and then you got the next building 94 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:04.720 blocks of Williams and Pitty Smith, those dudes, A Brock Bronk Horse, 95 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:09.360 that whole group, the guys that have to deal with the previous coach. 96 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:12.480 Bronk was one of those guys. He's stuck around. He stuck around. 97 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:15.639 Oh no, it's always great to talk to Pete. So, yeah, 98 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:17.480 I see how he's doing. Okay, I'm interested to see what the bull 99 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:21.920 says about the PAC twelve where Arizona lands and you already gave it away where 100 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:28.360 But but I'm fine because it's gonna be a fun fun Do they have odds 101 00:06:28.720 --> 00:06:31.279 but draft king out odds on the winners and the losers of the I believe 102 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:35.920 they do that. And actually Sports Betting Time Sports Betting Dime has odds uh 103 00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:43.839 for the champions for the champion, simple okay, they got now Jack hit 104 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:46.639 who he thinks is gonna win is not? Is not? This list? 105 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:51.240 Sports Betting Dime has usc is the favorite at plus two hundred, so you 106 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:57.639 see, yeah plus two hundred. Who do you think is next? Oregon? 107 00:06:57.800 --> 00:07:01.639 Yeah? Or see that's what three twenty okay and then Washington? Yeah 108 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:04.680 thirty forty If I were you, If I were you, because you kind 109 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:08.560 of strong about it. What twenty bucks on the man, I might do 110 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:12.920 that. Yeh three and a half to one, uh utah, five fifty. 111 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:18.079 Seeing that's crazy champ with the quarterback back and their coach back and everything 112 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:21.360 else, and they know how to win. That's crazy they do. Why 113 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:25.759 do you think they're they're so low or lower than because they're Utah, they're 114 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:29.160 not brand, right, yeah right, and they always come through. I 115 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:30.160 mean they always like you know, yeah, they're not a brand, but 116 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:32.959 they'll kick your ass. Yeah, yeah, you guy, even like the 117 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:39.759 coach they're they're holding you. No, I wouldn't even you can pay, 118 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:43.600 you don't even to make him mad. I wouldn't even making those UFC you 119 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:47.000 know, here's a lot of money. No, he would great. Yeah. 120 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:51.959 So then you got UCLA at one thousand, so it goes from five 121 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:59.680 fifty to one thousand, Oregon State twelve hundred, Washington State six thousand. 122 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:05.879 Then you got the Arizona Wildcats that's there and Cal Arizona Wildcats. Caw, 123 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:11.639 how could they be coupled with Cal? A team that's the beat the hell 124 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:13.560 out of Arizona last year? Who's below though? Who's below? Then you 125 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:20.120 at a SU eleven thousand, Colorado fifteen thousand, Okay, Stanford twenty five, 126 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:24.680 so twelve eleven ten, they're about eight or nine and then time for 127 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:28.399 eight. Cal's not very sexy. Come on, do they play him? 128 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:31.800 No, they don't play them. They don't play Cal. Don't play don't 129 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:33.440 play cal don't play. They wish they would have played. I think I'd 130 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:37.720 rather have Stanford. Yeah, no, no, no, I'm talking about 131 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:39.720 the games that we're talking about, Oregon State in Leshning State, those two 132 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:45.639 because they have to. They gotta get one of those. They gotta get 133 00:08:45.679 --> 00:08:48.720 one of those unless they do something crazy like go beat, go beat Mississippi 134 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:52.720 State or something. Yeah, do you play you Chile? Yes, they 135 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:54.879 could pull that one off too. Yeah. They got used La here. 136 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:58.799 Let me ask you. We have six minutes and we lost Chicken Jail the 137 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:07.480 jack UCLA's comment, not Usila that we used to remember and these guys, 138 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:09.600 but that's a long time ago. I got here when he was here. 139 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:13.159 But Steve, they've always still recruited really well, and so he just can't. 140 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:16.120 What's the deal. They just can't do things now now? In you 141 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:18.279 know, in the in the early nineties, they were still pretty good. 142 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:22.960 Remember that was that was around that time. Ninety three and ninety eight Arizona's 143 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:26.360 two best teams UCLA one League both of those years. Couldn't bet either one 144 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:31.399 of those teams. But it's it's kind of like it's definitely a step sister 145 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:33.840 or some brother two up. Yeah, yeah, they got, they got, 146 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:39.000 They got dragged through the Big ten. They got dragged through the Big 147 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:41.279 ten. You had a buddy of mine knows some of UCLA stuff. I 148 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:45.960 said, how did you guys let that happen? He said, he said, 149 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:50.759 our chancellor and an athletic director had no ways wouldn't fight USC on this. 150 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:54.919 Yeah, well, it's kind of like there's their big brother or whatever 151 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:58.200 in an Arizona and Arizona state. Yeah, okay, you want to go, 152 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:01.120 Well, okay, I guess so we must. But you can argue, 153 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:03.519 you can argue that the border regents, you know, may have had 154 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:05.919 a lot to do it here, may have had a lot to do with 155 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:11.440 a su having to go, or as the border regents in in LA did 156 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:15.240 not keep UCLA from going. Yeah, well, to their point, to 157 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:18.879 their good point is they'd be in the wind right now had they not gone, 158 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:20.440 Yeah, you know, they'd be where were we gonna go? No, 159 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:24.240 I disagree the pack would have held together with those two teams staying with 160 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:30.440 UCLA stating in La. Yeah, and if you if if us he had 161 00:10:30.559 --> 00:10:35.080 left, Okay, UCLA leaves USC, leaves u C LA states and then 162 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:37.840 you go get San Diego State. That's still a pretty good league. They 163 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:41.480 say they would have gotten they would have gotten a better a better deal with 164 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:43.919 the same deal, they would have gotten a better deal. Well, you 165 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:48.879 better played a lot of each sun because I played the fifty fifty raffle at 166 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:52.279 the Diamondbacks scheme last night. Bucks. No, no, no, but 167 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:54.919 it would have won. Seventeen thousand didn't come close. Yeah, So my 168 00:10:56.039 --> 00:10:58.360 point is we'll never know, well, never never know. I like your 169 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:01.600 theory. I don't know if I believe it, but I understand it. 170 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:03.320 I don't know that they would have still would have gotten to the Big twelve 171 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:05.720 deal. But a big reason why they couldn't get a deal, Stevens, 172 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:11.120 because they lost the alley market and Sandio State wasn't going to get them the 173 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:13.360 alley market back. Well, let's also remember that nobody in all it gives 174 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:18.879 a crap about him. That's that's what we know. But there's still a 175 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:22.600 thing that says we got UCLA. You know, I think I think they 176 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:28.559 still wo I think I think the PAC twelve lives. If UCLA stays Yeah, 177 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:31.080 I don't know, I do even if Colorado took off, you better 178 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:33.840 write that book. You've better write that book in Colorado took off. Next 179 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:37.559 time, Wilder will ask him, what do you think? Yeah? Yeah, 180 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:41.320 not that he knows, but I don't. I don't I understand what 181 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:43.279 you're saying. I don't know. I'm gonna text him and ask him, 182 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:43.720 get his opinion. No, no, no, we'll get him on. 183 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:46.879 Well, I'll remember this. I'm gonna ask him. No, I would 184 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:52.720 we have the technology? Yeah? Apple deal worth twenty three millions? Okay, 185 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:54.320 good, okay, cool, So we got three minutes. We're gonna 186 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:58.360 get Jay and Jack on here. Anything else going on? No? Fun 187 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:01.559 game last night. Got to take my grandson into a game. It was 188 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:05.919 very cool and he loved it. He did get scared. There was only 189 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:07.720 one inning where he and he runs got scored. Dodgers had the bases loaded 190 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:11.240 in the eighth. Uh, David probably gets the base hit, the crowd 191 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:13.960 goes crazy, scared the crap out of the awake. Yeah, he was 192 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:16.639 awake the whole time. It was scary because he didn't he didn't know. 193 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:18.720 We We debated, but we thought, you know, the place was half 194 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:22.720 empty, so it didn't feel like we needed to. But then that one 195 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:24.879 burst of sounding, he jumped it scared him, but he didn't. He 196 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:28.559 was fine. How so it was half empty twenty two twenty three ish, 197 00:12:30.039 --> 00:12:31.960 Yeah, I bet, And how many of those were Dodgers fans? Twenty 198 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:37.720 two h twenty three is especially on a sinking ship. They said, you 199 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:41.120 know, the let's go Dodgers. Chance started in the diamond bad. They 200 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:45.159 could not stop it. They could not get a chance. That's dip in 201 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:50.240 the pool. Uh no, no, no he yet, no homers, 202 00:12:50.279 --> 00:12:54.960 no nothing. Yeah, so it was yeah, no they didn't they didn't 203 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:58.360 go jump in the pool. It was a two nothing game went really fast. 204 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:01.480 Both pitchers pitched really well. Although the Diamondbacks pitcher his last name Kellie 205 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:05.120 out of you know, when he came off the he came off the mound 206 00:13:05.159 --> 00:13:07.000 with an injury, so he he left suddenly. So I hadn't heard what 207 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:11.360 what what happened. But David Pralti, who was a dime a long time 208 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:16.679 diamond Back and ended up on the Dodgers, and he got the two runs 209 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:18.919 single to win the game. So a little justice there as well. So 210 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:22.240 he got he got him back a little bit, kind of stuck it in 211 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:26.759 the side. But the Dodgers are you know, they got I think they're 212 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:31.399 five games up now. The diamond Backs continue to slipt and been horrible, 213 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:33.519 and they've been terrible. They're like a have a terrible record after the break 214 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:37.679 and the Dodgers they think are sixteen and eight after the break or something like 215 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:41.639 that. So it was fun, you know, kind of a uh, 216 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:43.360 you know, I hate to be a jerk about this, but kind of 217 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:48.759 a jury place. There's no life to the to the ballpark. You know. 218 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:50.919 It was full of Dodger fans, not not a lot of excitement in 219 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:54.600 the park. Not a lot of excitement, you know, people walk around 220 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:56.320 the concourses and stuff like that. But it was fun to go see a 221 00:13:56.360 --> 00:14:00.679 Dodger game. And uh, that'll probably be myen Dodging for the summer. 222 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:03.799 Okay, No, I agree, it's telltown with that team is pretty bad. 223 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:07.399 Yeah, what was the last time they've been really good? Time? 224 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:11.279 Well, they won the league in twenty seventeen, I think. Okay, 225 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:13.919 that's that long ago I think, and not the league, their division. 226 00:14:15.039 --> 00:14:16.320 Okay, okay, I think they won the division. They lost something right 227 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:20.240 away, yeah, like six years ago and they got eliminated. Holly, 228 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:22.639 I'm twenty one. So they won the World sleas before you even born. 229 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:28.519 Okay, two thousand and one. Oh you're two thousand and two one and 230 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:33.000 two thousand one, h okay. So yeah, so they're like the Dallas 231 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:37.720 Cowboys. All right, we better get out of here before we head further 232 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:43.080 south. Jack mcguron will be here. We'll talk PAC twelve football preview from 233 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:46.639 sports Betting Dying dot Sports Betting dime dot com. 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Subscribe now to the podcast on the iHeart Radio while just surgeon I 308 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:15.640 on the Ball. Hey, welcome back to watch on the Ball here on 309 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:18.160 Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. He's jagn Zos. Now on 310 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:23.279 the phone, we have Jack mcgouder from Sportsbetting Diamond dot com. Jack, 311 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:27.839 how are you? What else speak? How are you? We're doing okay? 312 00:20:29.200 --> 00:20:32.880 We wanted to pick your brains. It's only what three weeks before football 313 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:37.839 season starts and you got a hold of the Pac twelve race. What are 314 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:44.960 your thoughts actually before we get started. I'm actually sad because I love the 315 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:48.160 Fact and then the Fact twelve having it go away. It's kind of a 316 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:53.039 disturbing to me. But I think we're all in that personal thing. Yeah, 317 00:20:53.079 --> 00:20:56.039 I think we all. I think that that's sort of the running opinion 318 00:20:56.160 --> 00:21:00.279 is people are sad that it's dead. But if you're an a on a 319 00:21:00.319 --> 00:21:03.039 fan, you're like, Okay, this is where we landed, so all 320 00:21:03.079 --> 00:21:04.839 good. But you're right, Jack, you know you got a long history 321 00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:08.359 with this. I mean the you know when when when you got here? 322 00:21:08.440 --> 00:21:11.960 The PAC twelve was only a few years or PAC ten was only a few 323 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:14.599 years old. Will you actually when did you get here? When did you 324 00:21:14.640 --> 00:21:18.480 get here? I'm a pretty I guess I'm a pretty old guy, right, 325 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:22.279 Thank you, Jack, I got there. I got an eighty two 326 00:21:22.440 --> 00:21:26.119 for the Ben Lindsay era. Oh god, you're going to heaven the matter 327 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:32.440 what? But you know that's san, that'than. You know, we all 328 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:34.559 put our teeth on the pack back ten then Pack twelve. There was a 329 00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:38.799 blast of cover and a blast and make the road trips and the guys are 330 00:21:40.920 --> 00:21:44.359 people we dealt with were terrific and the teams were terrific stuff. I was 331 00:21:44.359 --> 00:21:45.880 gonna say, what are you gonna? What are you gonna? What are 332 00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:49.880 you gonna miss most about it? Oh? Well, I just think that 333 00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:56.640 I like the regional rivalries at the PAC twelve. I like Oregon, Oregon 334 00:21:56.720 --> 00:22:00.759 State, Washington, Washington. I mean everybody had a rival. Uh. 335 00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:04.400 There was a lot of this taste there, and it made the games kind 336 00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:07.559 of special. I guess that's the main thing on this. I just thought 337 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:12.519 it was a great conference that should have stuck together. I think I don't 338 00:22:12.559 --> 00:22:17.000 know if we blame Larry Scott or not, but it's just sad that it 339 00:22:17.079 --> 00:22:19.279 went away. Yeah, I think we all blame him or partly to bring 340 00:22:19.519 --> 00:22:22.319 Hey just real quick, cause you traveled a bit with you the teams right 341 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:26.759 every note again? Yeah, Oh so so you have a favorite trip or 342 00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:34.160 favorite memory. Well, uh, you know, I always liked I've always 343 00:22:34.240 --> 00:22:37.680 liked going up to the Bay Area. There's always something going on there. 344 00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:44.200 There's a blues club, John Lee Hooker maybe playing one night. And when 345 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:48.759 I traveled with Pack six Pack six Pack baseball, every game was a day 346 00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:52.079 game because of Cayle Anne Stanford didn't have lights. So I guess that was 347 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:56.599 my best tree. You know, that was the good memories of traveling. 348 00:22:56.680 --> 00:23:00.799 Not that that's kind of a selfish thing to say, but there was a 349 00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:02.960 lot of fun going to the Bay Area. I thought, Okay, well 350 00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:07.480 I'm gonna I'm gonna tell one one what legendary story, whether it's true or 351 00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:11.640 not, you can tell us. But it's not. Again, people have 352 00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:15.720 told the story that you were leaving LA, you were running late, You 353 00:23:15.759 --> 00:23:19.599 were trying to get to the airport to not miss your plane. You pull 354 00:23:19.720 --> 00:23:23.880 you pulled up to the to the luggage area in your rental card, just 355 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:26.759 jumped out of the car, left it there, ran by the hurts, 356 00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:30.799 counter tossed them the keys and said the cars over there, and ran to 357 00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:37.680 your plane. Did that happen? Well, parts of that, Dad, 358 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:41.039 Yeah, parts of that dead. I was running late for the plane for 359 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:44.440 sure, and I figured, well, if it was just right out in 360 00:23:44.559 --> 00:23:47.920 front, they'd know where to find it, and it wouldn't be it wouldn't 361 00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:51.440 be too much of a too much of a burden on them. So I 362 00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:53.319 guess that's uh, I guess that's why I did them. But I was 363 00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:56.680 running late. I was trying to figure out a way to get from sc 364 00:23:56.839 --> 00:24:00.359 to the airport. Yeah, on all these city streets and a so I'm 365 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:04.200 sure the rental cars. Thank guy's such a nice guy, just right there 366 00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:11.119 for us there. So, So you talked about Berkeley and Berkeley, I 367 00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:15.359 really didn't like going to Berkeley, but I saw Jesus a few times there 368 00:24:15.400 --> 00:24:17.839 on telegraph. Did you see him? No? I missed him, never 369 00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:22.480 signed. Yeah, you know how the y'all protest, he was there telegraph 370 00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:26.720 and whatever the tree was. It was my favorite was hearing the story of 371 00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:30.039 the because when Greg Hanson I traveled together, you know, we were steakhouses 372 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:33.960 and stuff like that. And then the first year had first year he had 373 00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:38.640 to travel with Mike Downs. Remember Mike he covered in Berkeley. Mike took 374 00:24:38.720 --> 00:24:41.799 him to an Ethiopian restaurant. If you know, Greg, you know that 375 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:53.119 Popy stayed in the car some water hozons. It does, it does, 376 00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:57.480 all right? So jack uh, you know you've got the Betty nods for 377 00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:02.799 for the league that that posted on your website sports betting time dot com and 378 00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:06.119 then you made a pick. So let's let's start at the top. Let's 379 00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:10.119 start. You know, usc is the betting favor plus two hundred on your 380 00:25:10.160 --> 00:25:12.960 website and about that pretty much everywhere else. But you know you're you're a 381 00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:18.920 doubter of the Trojans. Talk to us about your pick in a in a 382 00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:22.160 little bit of a way. I'll tell you about me I think, I 383 00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:25.559 mean, the Trojans cable. Williams is the best play in the country, 384 00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:27.839 right and he's going to have another big year and he's probably gonna win the 385 00:25:27.920 --> 00:25:33.200 Heisman again. But kind of when you look back at twenty twenty two, 386 00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:37.799 until USC got to the fact All title game, when Williams got hurt, 387 00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:44.759 everything was going right for them. They had a plus twenty two turnover margin. 388 00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:47.039 I believe that's the right number, and whatever it was, it was, 389 00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:51.839 yeah. One, it was just remarkable. And they also didn't have 390 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:57.039 to play Washington or Oregon last year, and and to me that was that 391 00:25:57.200 --> 00:26:00.960 was a lot of a lot of pluses. They got them both. They 392 00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:04.680 have them both this year, although they got Washington their home, but they 393 00:26:04.839 --> 00:26:08.240 you guys, remember they had a real hard time stopping anybody last year, 394 00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:17.920 and I don't know if they're the difficulty of schedule lends itself to thinking they 395 00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:21.200 will be as good as they were last year. To me, Washington is 396 00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:25.200 to me, Washington's the play to me because Michael Pennocks had a terrific year. 397 00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:29.400 Their coach, Klin Debor really knows how to coach offense. He was 398 00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:33.160 in the offensive coordinator a few years ago, and you know when Panics was 399 00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:38.160 there and then Panics exploded last year. So I just think they're the They're 400 00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:45.000 the play to me, just because I don't see the Trojan's benefiting, especially 401 00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:49.279 from that Let's turnover. I mean, you can't be plus twenty two every 402 00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:53.680 year. That seldom. Let's seldom translates. So that's kind of why I 403 00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:57.839 was picking Washington. I think Washington's the third choice at plus three forty, 404 00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:00.960 but I think they're the They're the teams that I don't know if they win, 405 00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:06.160 but they're the probably the team to play anyway. No, I just 406 00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:08.799 want to tell Ja because Jake agrees with you. I'm big with Steve and 407 00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:11.839 I. Steve and I have a with two wagers going. We have a 408 00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:15.200 wager on the over under on Arizona. We'll get to that. We'll get 409 00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:18.400 over under wins on that, and we'll get to that in a minute. 410 00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:22.440 But I took Washington and UH and Steve took USC. I agree with you. 411 00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:26.440 I you know, just watching Michael Pennis plain I saw him a few 412 00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:30.119 times last year. I get it. Caleb Williams is you know, the 413 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:33.799 Heisman Trophy winner. I'm not sure he's the best quarterback in the Pac twelve. 414 00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:37.160 Oh well, I don't know if you I read the I read this 415 00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:42.720 offseason that pro Scott consider Panics as good a prospect, that's not better a 416 00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:47.200 prospect, And maybe that's the wrong way to say that. They consider him 417 00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:52.440 more refined, that that he does the little things very very well, and 418 00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:55.880 that always translates when you're stepping up in class. Yeah. Yeah, they're 419 00:27:55.880 --> 00:28:00.000 pretty close on Bonix, isn't bad? Right? Well, yeah, let's 420 00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:02.160 say let's say that you know, okay, so you didn't think it was 421 00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:04.720 going to be USC, then you skipped over Oregon as well, who was 422 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:08.880 a little bit more of a favorite than Washington, at least on the betting 423 00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:14.920 lines. So what are your thoughts on Oregon? Well, I think just 424 00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:19.920 the same. I mean, I just think that Washington plays Oregon plays Washington 425 00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:26.039 in Seattle, and I think that will result in a Washington win, and 426 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:32.200 so that will turn things for the Huskies anyway. That the Ducks are great, 427 00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:37.480 mix is very good. They've got the big running back I can't his 428 00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:41.160 name is sake Bucky Irving. I mean, he's really good. They've got 429 00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:45.680 a really good offense, you know, they mean it's Ken Dillingham a little 430 00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:51.119 bit. He Yeah, that offense last year was pretty terrific and he's gone 431 00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:55.319 and it'll probably continue. But you know when those kind of whinn't changes happened, 432 00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:57.000 I mean it's going to be close, right. Those top three teams 433 00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:02.880 are very good. I don't think we should forget about Utah at all because 434 00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:07.279 camera rising has led him to two Factall championships. That finally when he got 435 00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:10.400 to the starting in the lineup two years ago. Yeah, and they played 436 00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:14.799 great defense and they're they're a scrappy bunch of dudes. I love Washington play 437 00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:18.440 because they're tough. They're tough, and they beat they beat you. They 438 00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:22.839 beat USC twice last year. That's hard to do. I don't think we 439 00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:25.200 can overlook them too, and that is hard to do. You look at 440 00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:27.240 the odds that you got. You got Washington third at plus three forty. 441 00:29:27.279 --> 00:29:32.440 Then it jumps up to plus five fifty for a two time defending champ. 442 00:29:32.839 --> 00:29:34.359 He's got the quarterback back. Their head coach is that, you know, 443 00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:37.759 the dean of the coach of coaches in the Pac twelve. I mean, 444 00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:41.799 are they being undersold? I think a little bit. I think a lot 445 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:45.240 of the question is how is Cameron Rising doing right now? Because he had 446 00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:48.359 that injury in the Rose Bowl that that brought them a chance to win the 447 00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:52.920 Rose Bowl. And I haven't heard how he's done in spring in fall practice 448 00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:56.680 yet, but I think there was some question about how that how that need 449 00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:00.799 was going to recover, that ACL was going to get back, and I 450 00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:03.400 think that general, I mean, you have to be literally and I hope 451 00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:07.279 he doesn't rush back, right. I hope he doesn't rush back and play 452 00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:11.960 it less than full strength and get hurt again. But it's tough because they 453 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:18.519 opened the season against Florida and somebody else that's real good. So are you 454 00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:22.920 that's a tough deal for them. Are you going to be coming the PAC 455 00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:26.759 twelve for these guys the ones you just wrote or somebody else? Yeah? 456 00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:30.920 I think so. I mean we spread it around a little bit. There's 457 00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:33.839 a good stable of guys there. But I hope so, you know, 458 00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:37.759 I think it's uh, I've done it for a while, so yeah, 459 00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:41.920 he's comfortable to do it. The reason I ask is because it's gonna be 460 00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:45.799 the most fun of a PAC twelve schedule in a long time. Yeah, 461 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:52.160 I mean, everybody's everybody's want to kill everybody else. By Washington State and 462 00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:56.640 Oregon State, they're going to come in with a vengeance, right, You're 463 00:30:56.680 --> 00:31:00.799 gonna be a little like that. You think, okay, three or fourth, 464 00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.839 what's not where we are for well, you know standing, so we 465 00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:07.160 went through okay where Yeah, the youths are fourth. Okay. So then 466 00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:11.400 then there's this group of teams that like for for a team like Arizona, 467 00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:15.079 you know, you got to win a couple of these games. UCLA, 468 00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:21.079 Oregon State, and Washington State in the middle again. You know, you 469 00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:23.119 know, people want to believe in chip Kelly, but then there's people who 470 00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:26.240 don't believe in chip Kelly. Then Oregon State, you've got them that they 471 00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:29.599 had a great season last year and they think they're gonna keep that going. 472 00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:32.680 And Washington State, like the others, has a great quarterback coming back. 473 00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:37.400 But give us some of your thoughts on those three as a group. Yeah, 474 00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:41.240 I think UCLA is gonna lose. Obviously lost too many players to be 475 00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:45.759 in the top Excel one again. Dorian Thompson Robertson and Jack Jack Charbonnet. 476 00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:48.519 That's those are hard guys are replace and they always have you know, they 477 00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:52.640 always have some recruit in there. They always have some talents. I think 478 00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:57.039 Oregon State is not far from being a big dark horse. When they got 479 00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:02.880 the Clemson quarterback dj Oglele and he kind of underchieved in Clemson, there was 480 00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:07.759 a lot of pressure on him to perform and he didn't. Maybe that won't 481 00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:10.440 be the case in Oregon State. Maybe he can be just a guy and 482 00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:15.519 play well and do his do his thing. Their coach, their coach is 483 00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:20.160 a good coach, YEA. Their coach who knows how to know how to 484 00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:22.599 win games. He's been around, Uh, he's been around Pack twelve for 485 00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:25.640 years. They've got a good running back, Martinez is a good running back. 486 00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:30.720 I'm not sold on on the on the Cougar, but you know, 487 00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:34.119 I'm I'm interested to see how Jet Fish is going to do. I think 488 00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:37.799 that's an up and coming program right there. And one of my one of 489 00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:44.599 my best best last year before the season was Arizona State to win more than 490 00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:47.519 two point five games. I mean that was like that was like a lot. 491 00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:55.279 Yeah yeah, that was then in a month. Yeah that was kind 492 00:32:55.319 --> 00:33:00.880 of fun. Yeah that was funny. But it's five and a half now, 493 00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:02.599 okay, or at five in some place, but it's not been lower 494 00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:06.559 than five. I took it at five, and I took the over at 495 00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:08.400 five and a half. And then Steve Steve and I have a bet he 496 00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:13.640 took the under. I took the over five and a half. Where are 497 00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:15.279 you going? Where are you going? On that? They're gonna be Northern 498 00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:21.960 Arizona, Utess and Stafford and then you're right and Colorado. That's four. 499 00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:29.799 So they beat Wazoo or you know state, they could do that. I 500 00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:31.400 could see over, I could see over. I think i'd play over on 501 00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:36.599 that. Yeah, it's a fair bet. I guess I agree. I 502 00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:39.359 agree. I mean smart money is over silver five and a half. That's 503 00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:44.440 a good number though. I think that's a good number because Mississippi State is 504 00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:47.160 going to be a problem, yeah, and at USC is never any fun, 505 00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:52.359 and Oregon States to be good. Now maybe they'll knock off Oregon State 506 00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:55.880 or win at Washington say that you're right, Jay, those are the teams. 507 00:33:55.880 --> 00:34:00.839 I think they Those are the games they need to play well, at 508 00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:04.920 least one of those. One of those right where I'm thinking they where I'm 509 00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:07.559 thinking you take the overs with the UCLA, Oregon State and Washington State. 510 00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:12.599 Two of those games are here. Uh, they got UCLA and Oregon State 511 00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:15.519 here. I figured they got to win one of those two and then if 512 00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:17.760 they can, as you said, if they don't do something stupid and go 513 00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:22.000 lose to ASU. You know, wait a second, you know something always 514 00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:25.199 happens with one of these things. Teams are not supposed to when they lose, 515 00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:28.159 the teams are not supposed to. Well, they can't lose to one 516 00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:31.679 of those four that jack Man and lose the Stafford or something like that. 517 00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:37.320 I like that. I like that overplay. That's a pretty good play. 518 00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:39.880 Yeah, because they you know, the Lauren's not bad. Laurans throw the 519 00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:43.519 ball. Yeah, no, he's good. Yeah, they got some guys. 520 00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:45.880 Yeah, it's whether the defense can hold them. What do you know 521 00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:51.159 about the nice? Uh fine, I'm sorry to interrupt. That sign that 522 00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:57.239 freshman uh commit for next year. That's really a big quarterback big ye okay? 523 00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:01.480 Oh? Oh Southon King. Oh so you you mentioned Kenny Dillingham. 524 00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:05.800 He's at ASU. Now. Uh, you know, they got bad, 525 00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:08.519 not as bad as theirs, only gotch but they got bad. You know, 526 00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:15.280 what are some expectations for for him up at ASU? Well, he's 527 00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:19.199 doing all the right things. He's an enthusiastic sun devil. You know, 528 00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:23.199 he went to Issue and he loves the tradition, he loves the program he's 529 00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:28.159 got. I think he's building a nice culture up there. Yeah, Drew 530 00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:30.639 Fine from Motre Dame is supposed to be their starting quarterback and he's decent. 531 00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:35.800 We'll see how that works and lines of Badger. He's a good receiver. 532 00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:39.039 But I think the rebuilding thing is just you know, it's going to be 533 00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:45.920 a rebuilding year and five wins maybe at the top something like that. But 534 00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:51.000 I think the I think they're moving in the right direction. I think after 535 00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:53.199 after herb last that was kind of a mess, you know, all the 536 00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:59.000 off field stuff and it just didn't work out. But I think they're they're 537 00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:01.599 going to go in the right through action and maybe not this year, you 538 00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:04.760 know, maybe it'll take him a year or two. But I sort of 539 00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:07.639 like the moves day they did. They've got Oklahoma State in Presno State early 540 00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:13.360 in the season, that's probably two losses. Yeah, they got sc coming 541 00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:15.760 in, they got Washington State coming and they've got a decent home schedule. 542 00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:19.679 But I just don't I think it's going to take him a few years but 543 00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:22.119 I have confidence they can do it, just like Jet. I think they're 544 00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:25.280 on the trajectory getting up. All right, we're about out of time. 545 00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:32.360 We can't let you go without asking about coach Priyan. Yeah, well, 546 00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:37.440 I mean he's doing it his way right, Ye, it runs what He 547 00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:42.639 ran seventy guys out of the program and then got more, got more players. 548 00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:45.400 And I kind of don't like that. I don't think that's fair to 549 00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:51.559 the kids. Although I know they offered in scholarships and they dance goal give 550 00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:53.920 the scholarships. I just don't like that. I don't. I mean, 551 00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:58.199 it's a little easier to win a Jackson State than it is and back twelve, 552 00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:01.119 and I think he's going to run into trouble. His son is pretty 553 00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:07.719 good, Shader's pretty good the quarterback. Another learning experience and another rebuilding deal. 554 00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:10.599 And you know, they're one of the teams that a lot of the 555 00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:15.840 sharps are picking them really improve. I don't. I don't know that they 556 00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:19.519 will. I'm a little I'm not quite sold on that yet. Well, 557 00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:23.000 Jack, we appreciate your time. Thanks a munch during the seas. By 558 00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:27.719 the way, just so you know, Jack, on your word, I'm 559 00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:32.039 gonna throw down on the Huskies. Okay, just I gotta throw it down. 560 00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:35.719 I gotta throw down some money on the Huskies because you said something. 561 00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:38.599 Yeah, but you picked them too, yeah, so you know, but 562 00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:45.599 I needed validation you got and you gave it to me. I gotta throw 563 00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:51.199 something down too now. Good money. Just in my life, that's called 564 00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:57.280 dead money. Thanks man, Thanks for having me on. Thanks Jack. 565 00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:00.039 Thanks. We gotta go. We gotta go away over So all right, 566 00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:02.920 we'll be right back. If you're an Arizona men's basketball fan, you know 567 00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:07.360 it's been successful for newly forty years. Now. Take a look back at 568 00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:09.280 the Ludolson era in my new book, Lessons from Loot. It was a 569 00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:13.199 labor of love through the eyes of twenty five former players, coaches, and 570 00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:16.159 friends to give insight to the coach and the man who led them, competed 571 00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:20.760 against them, and inspired them twenty five chapters for his twenty five years as 572 00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:23.960 Arizona's beloved coach. 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The A Team apply online today at 608 00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:10.840 a team security dot net and Jaden SMAs they have there. I am a 609 00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:17.679 boy on Tucson sports station Fox Sports fourteen fifteen. You're welcome back tying the 610 00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:21.880 ball here on Fox Sportsportune fifty. I'm Steve Riverah, he's jacons Os got 611 00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:23.719 a guy Jason this today. We have eleven short minutes. If you want 612 00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:29.400 to give us a quick call, please do. Are you optimistic like these 613 00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:32.039 two guys? You know, I'm with you, guys. I think I 614 00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:37.360 just said that because it's more likely to win six or more than five or 615 00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:42.159 less realistically. Yeah. Yeah, but again, you know, you look 616 00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:44.960 at the schedule and you know they got to win some games that they do 617 00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:47.599 have to win the game that you think that's gonna be a hard, hard 618 00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:51.000 win to get. Yeah, So let me ask you, because you're out 619 00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:54.000 on about and so my a lot of people I don't want to see. 620 00:41:54.000 --> 00:42:00.199 They're giddy they're very optimistic. Yeah, so I just want to make that 621 00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:04.199 was the same feeling you're getting, not giddy, but but but like the 622 00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:08.000 progress. Yeah No, they're very they're very optimistic. Uh they as you 623 00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:15.519 said, they like the progress that they're seeing, you know, with with 624 00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:21.920 all of the hesitancy that people had for Jed when he got here, right 625 00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:24.000 or people like what the hell are you doing? Yeah? Right right, 626 00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:28.199 there's none of that laught no, no, And he's growing on them, 627 00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:30.119 right, he's growing on them. Yeah, he's growing on me. Well, 628 00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:35.679 they like because they like I think what they like is that you get 629 00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:40.480 it. You get a sense that he genuinely believes in the program and what 630 00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:45.679 he genuinely believes that he can win here. Oh without questions. I don't 631 00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:49.159 know where. I say. I was driving around catching every red light and 632 00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:52.039 I'm yelling at the lights, and that's saying you know what, uh in 633 00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:53.199 this time, I says. One of the things that I like about Jed 634 00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:58.679 is he's he's very shrewd, and he's been shrewd. He got this job 635 00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:02.239 because he was shrewd growing up in Florida doing what he did with the windshielding, 636 00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:07.599 the notes, bouncing around trying to get opportunities. Yeah, he's only 637 00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:08.920 forty five years old, forty six years old. It was all a plan, 638 00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:15.719 exactly exactly. He's a very shrewd dutey knows what he's doing. And 639 00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:17.800 I don't know what his next movie is. I guess we won't know until 640 00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:21.920 we know. But he's got to win here first. Now, this whole 641 00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:24.000 thing has been a plan. It's he. You know, if we could 642 00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:30.400 set him down and get him to just pour out all of this without the 643 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:35.559 always trying to look like he's rehearsed, rehearsed, revoting and stuff like that, 644 00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:39.000 we would just say, get to his heart, you know. I 645 00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:43.679 think I think we would find out that that this is this is something he 646 00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:45.559 set out to do a long, long time ago. No question, he's 647 00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:52.199 executing this plan exactly the way he had hoped, and it's working exactly the 648 00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:54.000 way he did. I think maybe deep in his heart he probably wished it 649 00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:58.760 would have happened earlier. But here we are. He's here, right. 650 00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:01.360 He's a guy that never lay college football. As he said, he started 651 00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:07.599 out by putting sticky notes on Steve's Furrier's car. He reminds me so much 652 00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:10.079 of John he so much of Josh. Yeah, he got in there too. 653 00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:15.000 You know, he found ways to get get known and get in front 654 00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:20.480 of people, and he built it into a Division one head call head football 655 00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:22.599 coaching job. And he's done it. This is the one thing that he 656 00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:27.079 and I don't know. I'm sure he has an ego of some sort because 657 00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:30.480 he's reached this point. But he's allowed some big names, some big people 658 00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:35.559 to help him. Right, come on, rich Rod ain't doing that, 659 00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:38.440 right, Rich Rodd ain't doing that those other guys, right, Red Rod 660 00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:43.119 listens to ret Rod exactly, Stoops probably the Stoops and someone who did he 661 00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:45.159 listen to I don't know, but he didn't care. So you do you 662 00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:49.840 know what I'm saying. Good coaches don't do that. Yeah, and see 663 00:44:49.880 --> 00:44:52.679 and and but that's the thing again, part of his plan. And I 664 00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:57.519 think you have to sort you have to you have to kind of respect that 665 00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:00.440 and just say, man, you know, to see a guy set his 666 00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:02.840 sights on something and then go get it right. No, No, it 667 00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:07.199 takes a special dude to to hey, if I'm not gonna get it, 668 00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:08.719 if I well, we talk about all the time when in your job, 669 00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:12.719 when when you used to have I'm gonna get dudes, you're gonna make me 670 00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:14.920 look smarter, right or you know what I'm saying. In the end, 671 00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:17.199 I'm gonna benefit from the right, right, right one because you know how 672 00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:22.639 to handle people or try to handle people, and and and you look good 673 00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:28.320 part of the protect I mean in the end, you know, if you've 674 00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:31.800 got somebody that that helps you look, then why the hell wouldn't you want 675 00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:35.000 that? That was a bad shot. It bolts off the rim. I 676 00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:37.880 know it was. It was a bad Jason. I don't know how he 677 00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:40.840 misses from Yeah, no, it's my two foot plats. I missed from 678 00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:45.000 over there. I don't miss from here from ten none of a ten Steve 679 00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:49.079 Steve, Steve front room to a back room, your back room, a 680 00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:52.519 bottle into the garbage. And it was bad. It was bad. But 681 00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:57.320 you know, getting back to that, you know, it's he's he's executing 682 00:45:57.440 --> 00:46:00.280 this and the way he had always thought he would execute it. And it's 683 00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:04.960 it's been no question, no question. I'm sure he has his detractors, 684 00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:08.159 but don't we all. I don't hear of him any any no, no, 685 00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:12.320 not locally. Yeah, I'm talking about you know, well you okay, 686 00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:14.239 he's gonna win, but he's not as long as you gonna stay there. 687 00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:15.880 You know, there's that, there's well, there's let's saying that's the 688 00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:17.719 thing. I mean, is that a good problem or a bad problem to 689 00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:21.760 have for people to say about about you? You're only gonna be here so 690 00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:25.800 long because you're winning. That's that's a nice thing to have somebody to say 691 00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:32.239 about you. I I still think there's a little bit of when when you're 692 00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:42.239 talking about saying an NFL an NFL franchise, or even an upper level uh 693 00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:46.400 college football thing, there's still gonna be the little bit of not having actually 694 00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:51.920 played the game. Yeah, yeah, I know there's been some coaches like 695 00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:53.800 that. The dude from Notre Dame, the big the big dude, uh, 696 00:46:55.599 --> 00:46:59.519 I can't remember his first name. Yeah, Charlie Weiss, Charlie Weiss. 697 00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:01.639 You know, there's a couple of others. I think, didn't they 698 00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:08.000 say Sonny Dike's never played? One of those guys. You know, you 699 00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:12.639 know, not everybody can be Jim Harbor and have been a major college quarterback 700 00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:14.840 and then be a head guy. You don't need you don't you don't need 701 00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:16.320 to be a brain searcher. I guess you didn't brain surgery. Well, 702 00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:19.880 can you go to school to be a brain surch You can learn to be 703 00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:22.000 a brain surger. You can learn to be sure. But at the end 704 00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:24.719 of the day, in my mind, if you're a good coach, good 705 00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:29.480 people person, know how to deal with people, you're gonna be pretty good 706 00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:31.239 a lot of different things. I'm not saying he can't. I'm just saying 707 00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:36.280 that, no, no, no, there's probably a bias towards that. 708 00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:37.599 Well, let me ask you, because this was the biggest question his first 709 00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:42.559 year, his play calling. We were all biased against it. Everybody, 710 00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:45.320 he's not done this before? What are you doing? And he had somewhere 711 00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:47.400 else, But then we realized he just didn't have the players to do. 712 00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:52.599 So I'm sure that's kind of gone away with you. Yeah, yeah, 713 00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:55.960 I look, I mean he got a good quarterback in there, and look 714 00:47:57.000 --> 00:47:59.039 what he did last year. Yeah, I mean, when was the last 715 00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:01.800 time the Arizona had a top ten passing team in the country. Never? 716 00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:07.079 Right, So you know, get a running game now, and I think 717 00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:12.239 Michael Wiley is well, all of them, Michael Wiley, Jonah Coleman and 718 00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:15.360 all those guys will be that. I think offensive they're gonna be They're gonna 719 00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:20.199 be just fine. The big question for Arizona is gonna be what what improvement 720 00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:22.280 do we see defensively? No, that's that's gonna be the key. That's 721 00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:25.599 gonna be the key, without question, because they'll keep them in games. 722 00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:29.119 They don't have to score as much, just have to be in games. 723 00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:30.960 That's it, because you know, well, they weren't in a lot of 724 00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:34.519 games last year. I mean, I've told you Steve and how I felt 725 00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:38.519 when when with rich Rod's offense, you you thought every time they got the 726 00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:43.280 ball you expected him to score. Now, they didn't always score, but 727 00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:47.159 you thought he runs a system that if they just you know, execute their 728 00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:51.239 system, they're gonna score and they're gonna score every single time. And you 729 00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:52.400 felt like that when they got their hands on the ball, they're gonna go 730 00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:59.599 down and score. Jed wasn't He wasn't like that last year. But you 731 00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:02.639 felt certainly better about them getting the ball and going down and scoring, you 732 00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:06.199 know when they needed to. You know, you go to that UCLA game. 733 00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:08.559 I've seen I watched that Ucla game probably three or four times now, 734 00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:13.639 you know, and that you know Ucla takes the lead, Arizona gets the 735 00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:15.599 ball and they were like, guess what, guys, We're going to score 736 00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:19.000 And they did, and they went down and scored and won the game, 737 00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:22.119 just because you felt like there was a confidence that they were going to do 738 00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:24.360 that, not on just a confidence, but a capability to do that. 739 00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:30.519 So if they can keep doing that and then pick up the pick up the 740 00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:34.159 defense, who knows what the hell they can do this year. But then 741 00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:37.920 if but then if they don't and if the defense isn't a whole lot better, 742 00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:40.920 then you have five wins or four wins? How much you're going So 743 00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:45.320 we're going here right, Yeah, I'm just wondering how much athletics played a 744 00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:51.079 part and coming here. Yeah, no much really because when I came I 745 00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:54.280 was going for cremad so more assault academics. You went from one extreme to 746 00:49:54.400 --> 00:50:02.559 the other. Yeah, no mad journalism so so but now you're thinking, 747 00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:05.559 now you're in the think of it because when I came here, I mean, 748 00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:07.119 I know about basketball, but that was about it. Like I didn't 749 00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:12.360 really know about football or any other sports. And not that I'm in journalism. 750 00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:15.239 I know about you know, football programs starting to you know rise and 751 00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:19.360 then more basketball and you know, soccer, base off, all that kind 752 00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:22.440 of you know things. So yeah, but I didn't really come into the 753 00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:25.360 school looking for the athletics. It was more so academics. So it wasn't 754 00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:29.800 it wasn't like you wanted it to be part of this. You weren't thinking 755 00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:34.360 of the social aspect of being here and having fun with football games and no, 756 00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:37.920 not like not no, he's not now because you gotta work well now. 757 00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:38.920 But but you know, but when I first came in, I mean, 758 00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:42.920 you know, some people do steve, some people like the social aspect 759 00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:46.519 of of all that. But what of of going into what athletics brings you. 760 00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:51.079 Yeah, yeah, but from a social angle it does, but it 761 00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:53.159 doesn't if you're working the thing at this my point, because you're you're you're, 762 00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:55.519 you're in the middle of it. Yeah now yeah, yeah, so 763 00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:59.320 your fighters are no good, your senters are no good. Yeah whatever, 764 00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:01.400 I'm not joking, I'm yeah, that's true. Sure, you know, 765 00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:06.159 but it is. You know, we come on, we did as kids. 766 00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:08.239 We were current high school games Friday nights. Yeah, uh, filing 767 00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:12.400 stories at ten ten thirty yea. And by that time you're done and you're 768 00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:15.039 you might be twenty one years old and you're six. Well I only had 769 00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:17.960 to be nineteen, so we didn't get to So there's my point. You 770 00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:21.519 but you clid it when your guys are already Your friends are right there, 771 00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:23.480 party, had a few. And again, the social aspect of it is 772 00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:27.960 why I got out right because I wanted to be if you wanted to enjoy, 773 00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:29.480 yeah, yeah, I wanted to be a fan. I wanted to 774 00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:31.719 stop. And that's another thing that you're gonna face. Either you're a fan, 775 00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:35.760 you can still be a fan, but you have to be a you 776 00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:39.679 know, narrow fan. Yeah, I've learned that. That's why football am 777 00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:43.480 I really on a team. For basketball, it's like players, and then 778 00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:45.000 for college sports, so I don't really have like a team obviously you know 779 00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:47.519 arizonn or but like when I cover games, I'm out, you know, 780 00:51:47.679 --> 00:51:52.920 rooting or I'm just focused on after So yeah, yeah, good attitude. 781 00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:55.519 No, it's perfect, it will serve you at least yeah sure later, 782 00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:59.760 Okay, Hey, good good first hour, good stuff, Thanks for good. 783 00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:02.000 Jack mcguter. Sportsbetting time dot Com is his website. You can go 784 00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:06.519 on there and read his preview where he takes the Washington Huskies to win the 785 00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:09.599 PAC twelve and and so do I. All right, we'll be right back 786 00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:13.760 second half of the show. We're gonna have Pete Williams coming up in about 787 00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:15.079 at about fifteen afters, so let's stick around.