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I can't believe it. I cannot
believe it. Ten years. We're celebrating

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our tenth anniversary this month, and
while we were in Egypt, Mohammad Imbrahem,

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on the Grand Egyptian Tour, had
a big cake. You can see

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pictures of it on our Facebook age
celebrating our tenth year. And I mean

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I was standing there on the we
were on the cruise ship and he presented

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this cake, and I was like, oh my god, he remembered because

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Mohammad and I go way way back. We go back probably seven or eight

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years before we did our first Grand
Egyptian tour, So that was fun.

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So I have Jen Dale with us, and Jen is really an integral part

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of Earth. Agis. I think
didn't you start about seventeen twenty seventeen,

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right after we did we did a
tour. I was gonna say, I

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thought you came on and did we
do a tour after that? I think

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twenty eighteen we were in Mexico.
No, we did. We did the

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twenty seventeen tour in Mexico and then
I went with you to Egypt. We

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did the Grand Egyptian were So yeah, we've been together for a little while.

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Now since seventeen. It was funny. I was thinking of Mexico.

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That was a very cool tour because
we were at Ushmohl and climbing the Grand

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Pyramid, and I think that was
the second time I had done that,

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they had opened it, and that
was a fun group of people. A

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couple of a couple of crazies were
with us. But you know, for

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the most part, people go for
the experience and it's fun to see them

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kind of like transform whether on these
tours. Yeah, I think that some

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of my takeaways from the tours.
I mean, number one, you meet

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amazing people. I'm still friends with
a number of people that I've traveled with

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along the way, and those are
lifelong friendships. And then I mean you

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have just being in these amazing places. And number three, I guess is

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you meet these amazing guides and you
ever want to go back. You know,

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you've got a connection. You've got
someone that you can be like,

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oh, I'll just contact you know, Mohammed and see if you know he

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can tell me who to talk to
to get into this particular site. I've

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thought about that. You know,
it's funny you mentioned that because Memo is

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like a second or third generation tour
guide, and he was wonderful and he

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continues to be wonderful. He's still
our uh tour guy when we're in Yucatan.

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But yeah, these are these are
really rare people and we've been very

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fortunate to be able to connect with
him. But what this go back a

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little bit when you first came on. Of course I knew you were an

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archaeologist, and I was like,
Okay, Chen's gonna legitimize everything we do.

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And I want to think the one
time you really slammed me was we

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were in uh Campeche, at this
Campeche museum and I was like, this

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looks like a ray gun and You're
like, no, no, Cliff,

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this is an actual king. And
I read about this guy. I'm like,

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oh, oh, yeah, I
do remember that. It was at

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a really cool museum that had that
standing steeler. It was I mean,

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it was a beautiful. It was
a beautiful piece. And I do remember

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that because I came back and I
thought, oh, I'm gonna have to

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because it wasn't It's a very compelling
piece of you know, art and prehistoric

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work, and it was weird.
I mean, you're not wrong. I

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mean he's holding he's holding technology.
I'm sorry, and he's holding his son,

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was holding his baby in an arm. And then another one. You

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know that the thing I think,
I want aliens, I want ancient aliens.

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I reeled you back in, though
you're like, Cliff, no,

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come on now, you got to
be grounded on this one. And of

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course here I am lecturing everybody and
saying, look at this, this is

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a technology, and you're like,
no, it's probably a very intricate staff

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that the king was, but I
I didn't say it was shamanic. Yeah,

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anyhow, Yeah, so what do
you remember from some of the early

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interviews, because you and you know, I was thinking, Adam young,

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Adam is now on the scene,
Adam is going to be part of the

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Cosmic Summit. And you know,
it's funny. He was one of the

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early collectors of these when he was
in Egypt, of these stone bulls that

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are, yeah, very strange because
they're so perfect and they're analyzing them and

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they're looking like they were machined completely. I remember that, Yeah, those

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beautiful they were almost like vessels,
like a vase vessel also bulls. And

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you know what's so crazy about that
is that they find those in Mesopotamia as

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well. Really, yeah, those
same. I mean, they're very similar.

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I haven't seen them, so I'm
making an assumption. They look very

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same and their construction looks very same, very much the same. But yes,

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they also find those there. Yeah, Adam is a blast from the

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past. Two also, I met
him and the Yucatan with you. He

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was there, which was so much
fun. But yeah, if I walk

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down memory memory lane a little bit, I think that some of the most

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interesting things that we talked about were
I mean, I always have loved our

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year ends when we talk about,
you know, some of the highlights from

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the end of the year. That's
that was always so much fun with Bruce,

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Bruce Benton, who was also so
much fun to you know, be

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engaged with. I really enjoyed the
front end of the pandemic with you,

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you and Bruce because we we we
got in our content brains and decided,

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you know, that we were going
to make more content during the pandemic,

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and we did. We we made
some really fun stuff where we did kind

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of more of that roundtable kind of
a session, which I thought was really

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really fun and interesting, and we
talked about things that I wouldn't ordinarily talk

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about too because we stretched you jin
did you you did You're like, oh,

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wait a minute, I didn't read
about this in my college course,

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but I think it's yeahsting, But
you're always The reason I like you on

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the program is that you're you're orthodox, but you're you can see beyond the

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basics and you can kind of stretch
a little bit without feeling too uncomfortable.

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You're great though, because one of
the things about you is like when you

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are we're speaking, we're getting closer
to the ancient alien stuff. You're kind

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of like you go dead, silence, nothing there. I'm certainly not an

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ancient aliens kind of gal. That's
but it's tough. I mean, I'll

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always listen to it. I always
want to hear what people have to say,

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because you know, I don't know
everything. It's the epistemological question,

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you know. You the more you
know, the less you know. So

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the more information you take in it
just makes everything more possible, is what

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it feels like in my Mind's Ye, yeah, you know, it's funny

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you mentioned the pandemic. We did
do some interesting programming during the pandemic.

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It was just such a strange period
that we're slowly still getting out of you

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know, I see it. It's
funny because there's a lot of retail stores

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and restaurants that are going billy up, big resk. Where I'm here on

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the West coast California. Macy's is
going belly up. J C. Penny's

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is going belly up. And these
are institutions that just couldn't make it through

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the pandemic because so many stores were
closed. And now I'm seeing not just

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retail but restaurants. Well known restaurant
chains are going I don't know what the

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hell's going to be left, you
know. Well, I mean, so

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this is my my interpretation. Here's
the anthropological brain of mine. I think

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that we are headed in a direction
that is perhaps less like you said,

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organization like Macy's, JC Penny's,
and we go down to more local economies.

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I mean, I live in New
England, so I live in a

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totally different economy than you, and
we buy almost everything local. Like for

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Mother's Day, I got a sheep
skin an old world you know, an

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old world comfort or luxury was my
gift. I just and I'm not saying

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that everybody we're going to go that
far, but I'm just saying, I

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think we're going more into local economies
because it's affordable and we don't have supply

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chain issues, and it is it
speaks to perhaps a healthier environment. So

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you're saying we evolve into more local
mom and pop restaurants, retail, and

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farmers' markets. Yeah, I do. That's that's most certainly how it is

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where I live. I mean,
we rely heavily on a local economy.

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There's don't get me wrong. You
can still order from Amazon here and there's

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still a Low's Yeah, that's never
going away exactly. But with that said,

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I mean it's a very mom and
poppy here. Before I left Minnesota,

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it had it had like made in
roads to get that way too,

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because you saw these bigger organizations just
shutting down. Are like downsizing. Yeah.

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I want to ask you a question
that has been coming to my mind

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lately, and I'm writing about this
right now. When you have an Orthodox

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education, do you feel that you
have to hold the banter? In other

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words, if someone comes up,
you're much more flexible. I wouldn't have

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you on the show list was it
flexible. But it seems to me that

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if you're told not to go beyond
a certain area and make comments or perceive

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it. And what I mean is
that my example is when we were under

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the quest Soquato Pyramid in Mexico,
Gonzalez or gomexcuse me, didn't see the

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infrastructure that I found in satellites,
imagery and observation on the surface that went

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under the ground. It was like
he didn't care. His only goal was

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to look for and his hope was
to find a king's tomb in this tunnel.

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And when he didn't find it,
he was like almost unhappy and pissed

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off, and he closed the whole
tunnel so no one could look at it.

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And I'm just curious what your thoughts
are on this, because I'm just

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wondering that this is could be our
problems that the archaeological community cannot see these

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anomalies that are being referenced here on
our program. Well, in my experience

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I experienced, I've experienced gatekeeping is
what I call it gatekeeping. It's so

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recently I had been to a university
doing some you know, just some research

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in their archive and the archivists were
wonderful and were you know, they were

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helping us access access all of this, you know, Uh, support and

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things like that that were really really
tangible, and you know, I could

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look through them and I could make
discernments based on what I find. When

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I went into the museum afterwards.
Uh, there was an archaeologist there who

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was a I think he was.
I'm this is terrible that I don't remember

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this, and I probably should have. I don't remember his name, but

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he anything that was incongruent with his
set of beliefs was just ballacy. It

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was wrong. It was categorically wrong. And I found that so interesting because

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and I didn't reveal that I was
an archaeologist to him, and even so

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I'm only a master degree archaeologist.
He was a PhD. So there's the

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little, you know, the status
hierarchy level that goes on there as well.

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What I will tell you is funding
plays into how you have access to

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a site. And I have to
give some context to that too, because

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you know, if you're funded by
a university and there's a status quo involved

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with that, yeah, you're gonna
go after the thing that the university wants

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you to find or try to find, versus like saying private funds where it's

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maybe more treasure oriented. You know, let's find that goal. Whereas you

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have researchers like just researchers like you, or folks that you know follow Earth

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ancients who have no vested interests,
there's no money involved, there's no money

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to be exchanged. It becomes like
something that drives them. They want to

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know the truth about said thing,
or they want to collect as much information

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as they can so they can understand
it on their own terms versus what they've

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been told. So I think you
have those three things, but heavily get

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kept. This gekeeping that happens is
problematic, and that's why scholars are afraid

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to go into different directions. And
a really good case and point of that

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is, like, let's talk about
the peopling of the Americas. I mean

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that's been blown out of the water. That's a dune deal. I mean,

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we've got the twenty three thousand year
old footsteps in New Mexico now that

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I just saw that. Yeah,
yeah, I mean that's it's done well.

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In Chesapeake Bay near where I live, they are finding along the areas

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of refugia where glaciation wouldn't have taken
hold. They're finding they're finding things that

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don't line up with what we know
to be true and the artifacts that they

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believe that they have found, I
don't believe that they have good dating on

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it are twenty six thousand years old, they believe, and they're doing that

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based on stratigraphy where they found them
in the strata, the geologic strata.

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So you know, I don't know
how much longer gatekeeping can go on because

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the archaeological finds and record now say
something very different than what we've been at,

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what we've been told to be true
about the peopling of the America.

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And then we have places like go
Beckle Tappy that date to twelve thousand,

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five hundred years in the past,
and there's archaeologists that still fight that.

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It's it's it's kicking them out of
their comfort zone to the degree where they

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just can't you believe it absolutely.
And let's just talk about the new dating

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techniques that are coming out. I
mean, it's going to re establish a

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lot of different things and the things
that we can date now that we weren't

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able to previously. Is just I
predict in the course of the next probably

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five to seven years, they're going
to be going around to these different schools

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museums, repositories, archives, and
they're going to retest a lot of materials

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that can Oh my god, is
it going to be like retesting the old

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carbon fourteen dating. I don't I
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Yes, I mean, but there
are soil samples that have been taken.

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I can't tell you how many soil
samples I have taken over the course

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of my career. And I think
about all of the genetic that, like

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the DNA testing that they can do
with soil samples now that like I'm waiting

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for that amazing Yeah. Oh wow. Well, hey, it's been so

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much fun having you on the program, and we'll continue to have you on

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the program as we continue forward into
the future. Hopefully we will be around

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for another twenty years or another twenty
years, another ten years and celebrate those

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as well as do some touring together. So you're a great part of the

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program, and I want to thank
you for your perspective keeping me agrounded.

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Well, we have a pretty good
time together, Cliff and I haven't really

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enjoyed your trips over the years.
The tours I highly recommend you know,

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if folks have the opportunity. I
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think that that's really really smart doing
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expanding the boundaries of that, whether
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Guatemala, the Yucatan Easter Island,
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I'm definitely I see a trip for
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the near future, for sure.
I need a trip. Excellent, excellent,

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fantastic, Jen And always great to
have you on the program when we

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can get you because you're a busy
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me today. All right, so
we're going to continue on the program.

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We're gonna have the best of the
best this week. You'll be listening to

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the very first program with John Anthony
West, some of the early Graham Hancock

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programs, and many others that were
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that's our program today. The selection
of programs that I am featuring on this

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program are kind of the best of
the best. These are people that I

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admire that I might have known about
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podcast host and producer. And if
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the first program which starts in June
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ago. It's not that long ago, but it's long ago when you are

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talking about podcasting. Podcasting really started
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two thousand and nine. I got
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marketing analyst, a marketing consultant and
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the sense of how the public would
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in its infancy, had launched a
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by ancient history for since I was
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is photographs and articles and things like
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of podcasting is just unmatched, and
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to evolve. And somehow, I
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have that you should have a YouTube
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if that's the best thing for a
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have the same draw that I have
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I'm picking it up with I contribute
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going to hear today are a selection
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some of the fun interviews that I've
had who can speak to change in

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our understanding about our past. And
that's the whole reason that I launched Earth

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Ancients, is that we're really spoon
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has a lot of holes in it. Greek deal holes, and that's why

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I appreciate archaeologists who are willing to
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doctor Edwin Barnhardt, who have I

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really admire, but also I got
to tell you he is a great tour

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leader. So today's program is the
best of Earth Ancients. It's a tenth

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anniversary program. I hope we're I
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want to see what the future offers. So much is happening right now so

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much is in discovery and the barriers
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free flow of thought. Now there's
a lot that still needs to be done,

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and we're on the trail to see
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feeling more confident. I'm feeling more
excited about what the future holds for our

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history. So here's our program today, the Best of Earth Ancients. It's

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our anniversary program ten years twenty fourteen
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to put together. We open this
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very first interview with my friend John
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And it's funny because I had had
John in San Francisco at Whole LIFEX book

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talking about ancient civilizations for probably ten
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John was philosophical. If you haven't
read Serpent in the Sky, his famous

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book that highlights Schwala de Lubitch,
who he wrote the book on this genius

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who could see patterns in the buildings
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lifestyle. You got to get that
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on the program because he eloquently presents
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of course, what he's most famous
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the Sphinx was significantly older than what
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on the importance of go Beckley Tepe
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will eventually it has changed our understanding
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So here is the first bit of
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first interview on Earth Ancients June of
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the main thing was that the big
Smoking Gun is sound not in fact in

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Egypt, but rather in Turkey.
Some of them are some of the listeners

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today may have heard about or seen
clips of the site in turn be called

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go Beckley Tepe. And this was
discovered relatively recently in the middle nineties or

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so, and it's been under excavation
ever since. And it's it's a big,

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big site. It's a it's a
whole hill actually that was completely covered

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over. This is a really huge
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whom we don't know, but we
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what it consists of it was Let
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the head anybody familiar with National Geographic, It was the lead article in National

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Geographic. I think it was May
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anybody wants to google it up,
there's a ton of information on it about

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the words and it consists of about
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many stonehenges, but not that many. These extraordinary structures are have two central

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columns big limestone slabs of limestone weighing
between ten and fifteen tons each that come

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from a quarry downhill about half a
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And these these these limestone pillars certain
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the surface of animals and birds and
also the symbolics symbolic figures, and high

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relief means that you have to carve
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to allow the relief to picture the
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stone. This is ten times more
difficult then carving into the stone, and

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the dating on this, which is
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The archaeologist in charge of the excavations
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Schmidt, very careful worker, and
he dates this enormous stone stone complex to

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ten thousand DC and maybe older.
Because they continue to excavate, they they're

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coming on some very slow work.
They're coming upon other circles that they think

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predate the ones that they that they've
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can date them to ten thousand DC
and they're unbelievably good shape. They look

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as though they've been carved the day
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at the moment we can only guess
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so that you didn't see these structures. In other words, you take a

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look at stonehands or the thanks or
things in Egypt, most of these amazing

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sights were covered over to a certain
extent by sand or silk or whatever.

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was above the sand. With go
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There was nothing there. A farmer
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plow hit the top of one of
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and he thought it was just a
boulder and started digging down, and they

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couldn't get the boulder out, so
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realized they had found a column or
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another, and there go Beckley tepping. Have you actually been to that site?

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couple of times. It's it's okally
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I was split working very carefully.
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very familiar with the ins and out
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he dates the fill to around eight
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put in there in order to be
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and so he estimates a ten thousand
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is rough for these closely adjacent stone
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concerned, we don't we still don't
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have is a whole gigantic complex of
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Like not so many stonehenges and dated
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the work a ten thousand BC,
and unlike the abuse that we had that

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we had to put up with when
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The archaeologists are very silent on this
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What they're silent about the implications of
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as we contended from the very beginning, and this goes back. I mean,

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it took me ten years to find
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story that we don't have time for
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I mean, I've been on this
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to do the book on swallow dilubids, The Serpent in the Sky, and

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it was the Lubat in a book
the Genius with the unpronounceable name, when

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one of his books shortly before he
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Sacred Science. The King of the
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that the Great Sphinx had been weathered
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had ever set suggested this before.
I think Schwaller himself did not realize what

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a bombshell he had he had discovered, and he died about a year after

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that book was published, so I
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it was. But I did because
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the Great Saints, the greatest,
the most spectacular sculpture on Earth, and

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it's adjacent temples, which are built
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one hundred tons, flotted into place
like like like like pieces of a gigantic

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chicksaw puzzle, you would you would
totally destroy the basic femis of what I

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call the church or progress, which
is the which is the credo of modern

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progressive rationalist materialist philosophy. Perhaps one
of my favorite interviews is with doctor Ardie

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six Killer Clark, a native in
the Northwest who actually chronicled the history of

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star people in her book series Encounters
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American Indians and These. She had
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other one was on Mesoamerica. She
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elders to talk about encounters, physical
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notion of interactions with earth lanes and
star people. Here's an excerpt from one

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of the interviews taken in twenty sixteen. So why don't you give us an

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example of a contact story? And
then I'll ask you, can you give

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us an example of possibly at an
historic story where maybe the person who you

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are speaking to describes what his elders
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or native people from Central America.
But let's start with just a general contact.

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What can you what's a good example
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meso American Native Americans. My driver
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for breakfast one morning. He says, let's hurry up and eat because I'm

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taking you to mass. And we
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over, he said, uh,
let's wait here into everyone is gone,

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and the priest came back in and
sat down, and the priest was a

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childhood friend of my driver, and
he explained to the priest, he said,

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you know this is doctor Clark and
what she's doing. And he said,

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I thought your story would be something
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priest begins by telling me the story
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night with these bright lights. And
he said, I could close my eyelids

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and I could still see these lights
blinking and on and off. And he

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said, I looked out the window
and I saw this machine. And he

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said I had never I'd only seen
lights a couple of times. There was

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no electricy in our village. And
he said that he walked out and he

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came upon one of the creatures and
he called him a man, and he

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called him a star man or sky
man, and he talked to about having

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a conversation with this man, asking
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he said that the skyman pointed this
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and the starman told him, he
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happened. And he said, I
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the people in the village and they're
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able to watch this village. The
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of this. And he said,
I'm wondering why they would want to keep

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track of us. And he said, but I I made up my mind

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I was going to remember. And
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my friend Matteo, who is my
driver, standing in line. And he

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says, I run, I have
a tale. And I try to pull

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him out of line, but he's
like stone and he won't move. And

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he said, hey, I'm sitting
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I don't know what's going on.
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and sits with me and tells me, don't worry, don't worry, you

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will be fine. And he said, I looked at him, and I

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said, I will remember this night. And the Starman left him. And

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he decided that he would pick up
a rock and he would take it home

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with him, and then he would
put it the put of his head and

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the next or just prints of his
amazment sorry, and at the next morning,

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if he got up and there was
a rock there, he would know

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that what he saw was true,
and if there was no rock, he

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would know he had been dreaming.
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rock was there so I know what
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discussion. Was there a discussion as
to what was happening to this village going

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into the machine? Were they just
testing them or analyzing them or marking them

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or were they doing no discussion at
all? Because he didn't know, and

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Madeo didn't know either, but you
know, he the only experiences he had

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was his talking with the starman who
told him that he was going to be

406
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keeping track of their village. But
it was an interesting story and a police

407
00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:42.599
told it to me, so I
might be true. Yeah, their wow.

408
00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:45.559
You know. One of the one
of the things I'd like to comment

409
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:52.159
about before that talking about that,
is that you know, at one time

410
00:38:52.800 --> 00:39:00.239
in history, the stories, the
ancient stories, were the stories we live

411
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:05.719
by. It was our way of
recording history. They were Yeah, they

412
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:09.079
were oral, but that's how we
passed down the history of our people to

413
00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:14.880
our children, and then our children
passed it on to their children. But

414
00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:21.599
when the scientific age was I don't
know, industrial age or whatever happened,

415
00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:28.199
the Renaissance age, all of a
sudden you have that scientific theory coming in

416
00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:32.079
that if something can't be proven,
then it must be fault. It's just

417
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:37.719
a legend. It's just a myth
now, you see. You know,

418
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:44.519
uh, so much of that history
was lost because it was disregarded by those

419
00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:52.039
you know, they're in the scientific
world. Right. There was a story

420
00:39:52.079 --> 00:40:01.000
about the people of the Shining Hand
and I had, I was my guide,

421
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:04.119
and I had He asked me,
he said, well, you know,

422
00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:08.599
would you like to take a roundabout
way back to Guatemala City and we'll

423
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:16.440
just stop at some unknown sites that
haven't been excavated and and we'll just check

424
00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:21.679
out some things. And I said, that sounds great. So we stopped

425
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:24.559
at this one site that he said
this is this is an ancient site that

426
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:30.800
the government has never been really interested
in and and so we're, uh,

427
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:36.119
we pulled off and we're going to
have lunch there, and this elder came

428
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:42.199
to us and invited us to come
to the site. He had a hut

429
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:51.440
that had actually been built by the
government, and apparently they've had some plans

430
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:54.320
to excavate the site and then change
their mind and they just abandoned the whole

431
00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:58.639
project. Well, this elder in
the village had just simply moved into the

432
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:01.760
site and decided that he was going
to be the caretaker since the government wasn't

433
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:08.400
interested, so he moved in so
looters couldn't come and dig up the site.

434
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:15.480
And he proceeded to He had told
me that at one time he had

435
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:19.559
been in America. He spoke very
good English, and he took me and

436
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:27.000
showed me his He had a little
English library that was everything from dictionaries to

437
00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:30.880
Danielle Steele. I mean, he
just said, so before I was getting

438
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:32.639
ready to leave, and I said, here, I want to give you

439
00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:37.880
all the paperback books I have with
me. And so I gave him a

440
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:44.039
whole group of paperback books and he
said, well, you know, in

441
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:47.440
return, I want to take you
on a tour of the site. Let

442
00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:54.920
me give you something in return.
So he took me to this place that

443
00:41:55.360 --> 00:42:02.000
there were three sides standing of this
this structure, and above the doorway were

444
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:12.280
these red hands. And I know
you've seen those hands different places, if

445
00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:17.960
you've traveled throughout you know, in
a native country, you see these hands

446
00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:23.760
depicted and in just a handprint.
And he said to me, and these

447
00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:29.960
hands were across this doorway, and
he said, you know, if you

448
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:32.360
look at modern architecture, he said, you'll see these hands. And people

449
00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:38.159
say that the builders always put their
handprint on a building, and that's what

450
00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:43.280
these handprints are diand for, but
he said that is not true. He

451
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:49.199
said, these are the hands of
the Shining People. And the Shining people

452
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:57.440
are the people who traveled the universe
collecting knowledge, and everywhere they went,

453
00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:02.800
they left their handprint. And he
said, I come here every morning and

454
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:13.360
I sit to remember the Shining People
because they are the people of the Brotherhood

455
00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:17.880
of the Red Hand. And so
he said, the Shining people still travel

456
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:22.880
the world, they just don't leave
their handprint anymore. But he said,

457
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:29.920
the Shining people are the ones who
leave those handprints, and they are the

458
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:35.239
gatherers of all the knowledge, and
they keep that knowledge because when this world

459
00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:37.880
is destroyed, they will have the
knowledge of the world and they can help

460
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:46.199
rebuild it. This next clip was
from an interview I did with doctor Milton

461
00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:55.239
Wainwright, who had done some fascinating
studies in Earth's stratosphere in collecting what initially

462
00:43:55.280 --> 00:44:00.559
he thought were spores and then under
the electron microscope discovered they were what he

463
00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:09.159
called biological entities, and these entities
were artificial. He still believes they're artificial

464
00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:17.440
and they are filled with biological material
DNA, or material that is designed for

465
00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:24.440
life. Now, since his interview
in twenty eighteen, he has joined forces

466
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:30.079
with doctor Chandra walk Ramsey and written
a book. We're going to feature doctor

467
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:37.039
Wick Ramsey in a couple of weeks
to discuss this book and discuss what has

468
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:43.960
happened. But this is an important
description of applied panspermia, the seeding of

469
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:51.239
planet Earth, either by an intelligent
entity thousands excuse me, billions of years

470
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:59.760
old, or through some natural process
that we are we don't understand. At

471
00:44:59.800 --> 00:45:04.280
the end of this interview, you
can hear his frustration because he reaches out

472
00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:10.559
to NASA and gets a zero response. This is a brilliant scientist who has

473
00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:22.440
a team of scientists and students who
are working with balloons collecting samples in our

474
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:29.639
stratosphere and they're turning up to be
quite eye opening. So here's this short

475
00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:36.320
clip. When I looked at it, I thought, wow, I have

476
00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:39.440
no idea what that is. But
what I did I said to the students,

477
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:45.480
would you go back and do what
we call an edex edX. Now,

478
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:52.519
this is we apply an electron VIAM
to the sample and we can determine

479
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:57.320
it's atomic structure. So for example, we can determine if it contains carbon,

480
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:02.760
if it contains iron, all the
elements we can determine. So we

481
00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:07.559
put across there on the ball and
they press a button and we get this

482
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:15.559
wonderful array of elements, and to
my great amazement, the main element was

483
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:21.360
titanium with a little bit of zirconium. Oh my god. Now when I

484
00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:24.159
say titatum, because it doesn't necessarily
mean it's titanium metal. It may be

485
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:31.039
titanium oxide, but it's titanium anywhere
titanium. And I oh wow, Okay,

486
00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:35.440
Now, for some amazing reason,
I don't know why, I just

487
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:42.360
said, wouldn't it be interesting to
look behind the ball right because it was

488
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:49.639
a perfect sphere? And I asked
and students Alex and Chris by the way,

489
00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:52.559
if they could just move it across
now. Fortunately, they add some

490
00:46:52.679 --> 00:47:00.400
tremendous machinery on the electron microscope,
which most biologists don't have because they're injuryars.

491
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:05.760
They have far more sophisticated microscopes than
I would be used to using.

492
00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:14.440
And their microscope had this amazing ability
to produce like a little wire that could

493
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:21.159
be manipulated and using this wire.
Remember we're extremely high magnification. This very

494
00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:24.880
fine piece of wire could be used
to drag the ball across. So when

495
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:30.559
they dragged the ball across and brought
me the images again, I was absolutely

496
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:37.639
stunned because there was a material oozing
out of the sphere, right And when

497
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:42.440
we analyzed the material, it was
biological. It was carbon. It wasn't

498
00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:45.760
titanium. It was made of carbon
and oxygen, a little bit of nitrogen.

499
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:51.320
That is the signature for biology,
and that's the signature we use with

500
00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:55.159
all these biological entities while we're trying
to determine if they're cosmic dust. Cosmic

501
00:47:55.199 --> 00:48:00.639
dust comes across as aluminium, iron. Biological has come across as carbon,

502
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:05.440
oxygen and a little bit of nitrogen. Okay, let me stop you right

503
00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:08.840
there just for a second. At
this this biological entity, this metal.

504
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:13.079
Or would you say that it's artificial
because when I look at it, it's

505
00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:16.880
perfect round, it's exactly well yeah, yeah, when I when you say,

506
00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:23.199
I say it's artificial, I suggested
maybe, because you can't be certain

507
00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:30.440
about these things. And on what's
the board? It was again extremely interesting

508
00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:35.960
is when we look to the surface, the surface was made of knitted material,

509
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:42.280
knitted strands, a bit like what
you might imagine a knitted wool jumper

510
00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:46.079
would look like. It was made
of material which was like knittered strands.

511
00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:51.559
And this again heed Axt came up
as biological. So what we have here

512
00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:58.199
is a sphere made of titanium,
made of a little bit of other metals

513
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:05.440
that mainly titanium, and inside there's
biological material on on the outside there's biological

514
00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:12.840
material. And so obviously there are
a number of suggestions to this. Possibly

515
00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:20.199
this material was like a shell hermit
crab, in which it was a physical

516
00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:24.440
a physical sphere there was somewhere else
in the cosmos, and the organism had

517
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:30.239
crawled into it for protection. Yeah, and crawled and developed on the outside

518
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:36.239
of it. Or of course it
could have been synthesized in that way.

519
00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:42.679
Or of course it could the organism
could have secreted the titanium on the outside.

520
00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:45.119
Well, I'm thinking something else,
and I'm just my next question to

521
00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:51.320
you is is like these orbs or
a delivery system? Yeah, right now,

522
00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:57.119
I did suggest this in a newspaper
report, not because I necessarily believe

523
00:49:57.159 --> 00:50:01.599
it or I've necessarily got any directly
formation but just to cover all the bases,

524
00:50:01.960 --> 00:50:06.480
as you would say, because it
occurred to me that this may be

525
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:12.320
a synthetic means of delivery organisms,
which would be in lign with this theory

526
00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:20.039
of directed panspermia. Yes, the
idea that some alien civilization was seeding the

527
00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:25.519
universe in some kind of delivery system. Now I have no direct evidence for

528
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:30.280
that. This is a suggestion.
It's a very plausible suggestion. But of

529
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:34.440
course unless we find out, unless
we found a name on it, you

530
00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:38.199
know, comes from planet Zenon.
Yeah, or we could directly go back

531
00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:45.159
and see these aliens spewing these things
out at rockets. However, it can

532
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:51.559
only remain a suggestion. But it's
a very interesting suggestion and it fits in

533
00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:55.960
with the look of the of the
of the structure. Let me ask you

534
00:50:55.639 --> 00:51:02.159
you you have targeted the Earth's stratosphere. Is there something about that location that

535
00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:09.599
is a good collecting h area for
these bacterias before they delivered to the actual

536
00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:14.440
surface of the planet. Uh,
why why did you pick that area?

537
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:16.559
Well again I must I must correct
you on the bacteria we're talking now about

538
00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:21.760
wilunch twenty excuse me, Yeah,
but we know that, but we know

539
00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:25.199
that are about bacteria in there.
But let me tell you something about size.

540
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:30.039
Now, this is very important when
we do calculations. Other people have

541
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:36.440
done this. The general consensus is
nothing larger than six microns. These are

542
00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:40.199
just measurements. If if the listeners
don't know about micron, but just think

543
00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:47.159
in terms of sixth Anything above six
cannot travel from Earth to the heights of

544
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:52.199
the stratosphere that we're sampling. Now, Bacteria, as I said before,

545
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:58.280
around about one micron, so they
could theoretically be carried up to the stratosphere.

546
00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:01.880
But a viruses, of course,
certainly because virus is extremely small,

547
00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:07.400
they could theoretically be carried up.
But our entities, remember, are ten

548
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:14.559
to forty microns. Now it is
impossible on current understanding to see how you

549
00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:17.639
could, what mechanism you could have
to carry them up to that height.

550
00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:27.760
So the thinking is this, anything
that's coming into the Earth comes through the

551
00:52:27.760 --> 00:52:31.039
stratigphy. Of course, if we
go out to a point where we can't

552
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:37.159
get Earth organisms, then anything we
collect by definition is coming in from space.

553
00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:43.679
Now, another very interesting point about
this is that the biological entities we

554
00:52:43.719 --> 00:52:49.239
collect are associated with impact events.
On our sampler, we get impact events

555
00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:52.920
from cosmic dust. The cosmic dust
is very hard and as it comes in,

556
00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:59.840
it hits the sampler and impacts it
makes a crater, much like the

557
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:02.920
a crater on Earth that's supposed to
have killed the dinosaurs. So you've got

558
00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:07.840
this crater on the sampler, and
around these craters you've got the biological entities.

559
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:14.639
So again that's some indirect evidence that
this material is coming in. Okay,

560
00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:21.039
right, Obviously, if we went
twenty feet into the air, then

561
00:53:21.079 --> 00:53:25.239
the whole sampler would be full of
grass and pollen. You wouldn't see anything,

562
00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:31.400
right, for what you see lots
of Earth material. But the higher

563
00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:36.599
you go, of course, there
are less chance you've got of contamination from

564
00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:40.800
Earth. But I've got a stress
again yet again, and this is the

565
00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:47.480
basic point when we are absolutely certain
we're right, because if this was coming

566
00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:52.639
from Earth, we would have seen
pollen grain on our sampler. We have

567
00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:55.480
not yet seen a single pollen grain. And we've sampled now I don't know,

568
00:53:55.559 --> 00:54:00.159
fifteen twenty times, I guess,
and all over the world. Oh,

569
00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:05.320
by the way, not just in
the UK. We've sampled in Death

570
00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:12.480
about Death Valley. We've sampled above
the Bonacal sub slets, We've sampled above

571
00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:19.840
the Aurora borealists, We've sampled across
the across the prairies, sorry, the

572
00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:28.320
grasslands of Wisconsin, basically because we
want to exclude the possibility of the local

573
00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:32.599
event, and it certainly isn't because
we find these biological entities on all the

574
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:38.559
well nearly all the samples we've We've
done okay, and when we sampled over

575
00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:44.320
Wisconsin there was no grass. Now
you know, sorry they say Wisconsin,

576
00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:49.320
I mean Wyoming. When we sampled
over Wyoming there was no grass, and

577
00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:53.440
we would have expected to have found
some grass particles were they coming from Earth.

578
00:54:54.559 --> 00:55:01.039
So we are absolutely convinced this material
is incoming else, incoming from space

579
00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:05.760
to Earth. And no one,
I mean I've given talks about it at

580
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:10.159
meetings throughout the world. No one
has suggested an alternative. I mean every

581
00:55:10.360 --> 00:55:16.280
you know that of course on the
Internet, on the Internet interactions, they

582
00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:20.480
all just say, oh, hop
cooms razor, it must be coming from

583
00:55:20.480 --> 00:55:22.719
Earth. A lot of these people
don't read the papers, they don't listen

584
00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:27.920
to Earth because if you say that, then you would have to have found

585
00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:34.599
earth lit material on the sampler.
We can get into the whole alien influence

586
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:37.559
and the whole UFO alien thing.
We're not going to go there, but

587
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:43.480
uh, you do mention that NASA
is doing somewhat similar work. Are they

588
00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:50.960
finding these uh metal biological entities like
you are? Well anything, anyone who

589
00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:57.119
gets involved with NASA minds themselves with
an enigma and wrapped in a box and

590
00:55:57.119 --> 00:56:01.079
wrapped in the Yes, we know, you know all about that. Yeah,

591
00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:07.440
we have people. Well what an
have to do it? NASA they

592
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:14.480
did some work like this way back
in the nineteen or nineteen sixties, I

593
00:56:14.519 --> 00:56:17.960
guess, and I don't know what
they're doing. I don't know if they're

594
00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:22.599
sampling. They should be trying to
repeat our work because it's extremely low cost,

595
00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:29.320
extremely simple. They could do it
with their technology and their budget.

596
00:56:29.320 --> 00:56:31.639
They could do that in six months. They could have repeated our work.

597
00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:35.360
So I don't know. Maybe they've
repeated it, maybe they found more,

598
00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:38.239
Maybe they always knew about it.
I don't know. I sent all my

599
00:56:38.360 --> 00:56:44.360
material to various NASA scientists and not
got any reply. I mean, we

600
00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:52.239
know they are testing the survival of
bacteria in space, in the space station

601
00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:57.199
and so on, but as yet
I don't know that they I find that

602
00:56:57.400 --> 00:57:00.760
amazing that they haven't responded to you. Well, it's not only amazing,

603
00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:08.880
it's it's absolutely incredible. We're gonna
allow our sponsors to identify themselves and take

604
00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:13.639
a short break, but we'll be
right back with my guest today. Featured

605
00:57:13.760 --> 00:57:21.119
on the tenth anniversary of Earth Ancients, the podcast We'll be right back.

606
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This is a special edition of Earth
Ancients. This is our tenth anniversary program.

607
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We are featuring a number of highlights
that I have interviewed throughout the years,

608
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and we're gaining a sense of just
how these people have shaped Earth Ancients

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and those who are listening. It's
always fun to have two authors on a

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program. We had doctor Robert Shock
and engineer Egyptian engineer Robert Beaval on the

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program promoting their new book, Origins
of the Sphinx. This is back in

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twenty seventeen, and some of the
points they make on the Sphinx are eye

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opening. But this is an excerpt
from information on the Sphinx Temple, which

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is something I didn't know about,
and they bring up some very very important

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points and evidence of the great antiquity
of that whole enclosure quick lessen the whole

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structure, the whole the whole sphinx
is from the living rock. As Roberts

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said, there's added repairs around the
poles, a bit on the rum,

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some of them dating from Old Kingdom
times, probably in New Kingdom times and

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recent times. I've actually seen people
working and repairing these sphings in the last

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fifteen years or so. But it's
essentially was one maybe one structure cut from

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the living rock. It's actually tied
to the bedrock on the ground, if

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you like, and so the idea
that the head is detached or that's quite

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incorrect. I think one thing that
Roberts will agree with me is that,

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you know, there's a lot of
emphasis on this thing itself and all that

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Robert said, I fully concord,
But people tend to forget that the sphinx

626
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is attached to two temples, or
there are two temples in the vicinity of

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01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:17.159
the sphinx, once one in front
of it called the Sphinx Temple, and

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01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:25.400
one slightly adjacent towards the south called
the Mortuary Temple. And these, I'm

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sure Roberts will agree, give indications
also of a much much earlier date than

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prescribed by the Egyptologists. Do you
want to take over Robert Orally, I

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have match I should mentioned I was
mentioning my first trip to Egypt. One

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of the first things I studied was
those two were those two temples, and

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I actually came to the conclusion that
they were older than the traditional Egyptologists state

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01:00:53.679 --> 01:01:00.239
before. I was absolutely convinced about
the sphinx, so are incredibly import to.

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Let me describe a couple of aspects
of them that are pertinent, and

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01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:08.559
I'll try not to go into too
much detail, but geologically we can demonstrate,

637
01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:14.119
and this has been demonstrated not just
by myself but other geologists independently,

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01:01:14.639 --> 01:01:22.360
those temples are composed of limestone cores. So limestone cores made up huge megalithic

639
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:27.719
blocks weighing tens of tons. Actually
a couple of them are probably well over

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01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:32.119
fifty tons, maybe approaching one hundred
tons. Those blocks did not just come

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01:01:32.239 --> 01:01:39.000
randomly from anywhere. They were actually
corried out of the sphinx enclosure when the

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01:01:39.079 --> 01:01:43.719
sphinx was being carved, when the
body of the sphinx was being carved.

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01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:52.440
So those core limestone blocks making up
those two temples are contemporaneous with the carving

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01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:57.679
of the body of the sphinx.
Do you understand what I'm saying. So

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01:01:58.199 --> 01:02:01.440
those temples are as old as a
oldest portion of the Sphinx. They were

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01:02:01.559 --> 01:02:08.159
later they were heavily eroded and weathered
again by water. I can determine that.

647
01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:15.559
I've to been able to determine that
geologically water in terms of precipitation rainfall

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01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:20.039
coming down from above. Sometimes people
say, oh, it must have been

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01:02:20.119 --> 01:02:24.000
Nile floods. Now you can demonstrate
geologically it was not Nile floods, because

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01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:29.800
they were Nile floods would give a
different type of weathering and erosion pattern.

651
01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:37.719
These were heavily weathered and eroded.
Then later they were repaired by the Egyptians

652
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:45.760
using Aswan granite, huge blocks of
Aswan granite which are later than the original

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01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:52.320
temples, and those Aswuan blocks of
granite have inscriptions. There's still a couple

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01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:59.000
of inscriptions remaining very highly eroded on
the so called Valley Temple that indicates they

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01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:05.400
were there either in place or they
were already there in old Kingdom times.

656
01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:12.039
So if you're repairing something old Kingdom
times, you know that the original structure

657
01:03:12.159 --> 01:03:16.760
is much much older. Yeah,
And and the weathering on those those temples

658
01:03:17.639 --> 01:03:22.159
is similar to the sphinx or not. It's not just similar, it's identical.

659
01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:28.920
It's identical. Okay, well that's
it's developed a bit differently to the

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so it's it's you know, the
average person might look in and say,

661
01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:35.880
well, how can you say those
id are identical. No, it's identical

662
01:03:35.920 --> 01:03:38.599
from a geological point of view in
terms of the nature of the weathering,

663
01:03:38.679 --> 01:03:43.559
the type of weathering. You know. Again, this is something that we

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01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:47.440
could discuss for three or four hours
against on each in the field. And

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01:03:47.480 --> 01:03:52.440
I do that with people sometimes when
I take there, and they're very interested.

666
01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:55.800
But yes, and as I said, that was what convinced me initially,

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01:03:57.880 --> 01:04:02.840
even before the actual of the strength. Okay, can I add a

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01:04:02.840 --> 01:04:13.719
bit more on this temple. Yeah. Notwithstanding the geological analysis that Shocks just

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01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:23.480
gave, which is quite correct,
there is the architectural analysis or investigation.

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01:04:23.679 --> 01:04:28.039
I mean, what's all about these
temples, as Robert pointed out, is

671
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that they're built with blocks ranging from
about fifty tons. There's a few of

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01:04:33.880 --> 01:04:36.440
them going up to one hundred tons. There is even one or two,

673
01:04:36.519 --> 01:04:43.360
I think going up to two hundred
tons. A fifty ton block is an

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01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:55.880
enormous piece of stone. It's if
you can imagine, roughly speaking, something

675
01:04:56.000 --> 01:05:02.480
like I would say about forty or
fifty large size four wheel drive cars pushed

676
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into one one lamp. That's that's
the weight and size of these blocks.

677
01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:13.079
But from an architectional point of view, there's something very odd about the choice

678
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of building these temples with these large, massive galithic blocks, principally because it's

679
01:05:21.480 --> 01:05:28.039
it's totally logical to build to build
anything with these size of blocks. Uh.

680
01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:33.599
And more personally, we know of
a of a of a complex not

681
01:05:33.719 --> 01:05:42.400
far away, which is the Step
Pyramid Complex, which was built just before

682
01:05:42.559 --> 01:05:45.960
by the dynasty of the Third Dynasty, before the so called Old Kingdom fourth

683
01:05:46.039 --> 01:05:54.880
dynasty. Now these uh, the
Pyramid Complex, the Step Pyram Complex.

684
01:05:55.280 --> 01:06:04.400
There are many structures, particularly and
trans wall. There's a boundary wall that's

685
01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:11.920
still standing in the east southeast part. There is a few temples within so

686
01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:15.239
called dummy buildings. But the point
I want to bring out here is that

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they're built with blocks that roughly are
about I would say about thirty to forty

688
01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:28.480
kilos, the sort of blocks that
today we would use. We wouldn't exceed

689
01:06:28.519 --> 01:06:31.960
this way, mainly because we'd expect
a mason to be able to live them

690
01:06:31.960 --> 01:06:36.159
and put them into place. So
that's the logical way to build. Now.

691
01:06:36.320 --> 01:06:40.679
They obviously knew this, and they
knew this in the third dynasty.

692
01:06:41.320 --> 01:06:47.159
So looking back now at the temples
in front of the Sphinx, the Sphinx

693
01:06:47.159 --> 01:06:53.880
temple and the mortuary example, it
doesn't make sense. They knew how to

694
01:06:53.920 --> 01:06:59.840
build with regular, small size blocks
with perfection, whereas using this kind of

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01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:05.320
assive blocks, apart from an engineering
difficulty of moving them around and lifting them,

696
01:07:05.320 --> 01:07:10.079
I just can't imagine how this was
done. It's totally tot theologically,

697
01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:16.559
totally unnecessary. And furthermore, if
you look at the pyramids on the plateau,

698
01:07:18.159 --> 01:07:21.280
none of these blocks are used.
Of the size. The largest block,

699
01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:25.599
if I'm not mistaken, is at
the bottom of the second pyramid of

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01:07:25.639 --> 01:07:29.519
Haffre's pyramid, which is about I
think twenty five tons. Is that correct,

701
01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:33.559
Robert, Yeah, that sounds about
right. Yeah. So these temples,

702
01:07:33.559 --> 01:07:39.280
to me is a great mystery.
They obviously are of a different type

703
01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:46.960
of engineering construction. The erosions suggests
them being very very old, much older,

704
01:07:47.639 --> 01:07:54.119
but it suggests a completely different contractor, if you like, using completely

705
01:07:54.199 --> 01:07:59.360
different technique, which in itself doesn't
make sense. It doesn't make sense to

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01:07:59.480 --> 01:08:03.639
use blocks of this size. It's
just crazy. If today I would be

707
01:08:03.679 --> 01:08:10.920
asked to build a temple of that
size, I would use what they used

708
01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:15.079
in the Third Dynasty, blocks of
about twenty to thirty heroes. So to

709
01:08:15.159 --> 01:08:20.560
me, everything points to a completely
different phase that we're looking at the Sphinx

710
01:08:20.680 --> 01:08:29.359
and it's two temples and probably the
temples further up closer to the pyramids on

711
01:08:29.399 --> 01:08:39.159
the east side. These form a
complex in my mind. A regular feature

712
01:08:39.199 --> 01:08:46.439
for many years was the Indian research
investigator and YouTube channel host Praven Mohan,

713
01:08:47.560 --> 01:08:55.359
and he would come on regularly and
post his last discoveries, talk about his

714
01:08:55.399 --> 01:09:00.560
latest discoveries. He's gone independent.
We're going to start working with him again

715
01:09:00.680 --> 01:09:11.399
because there are so many amazing Indian
temples that have not been really described with

716
01:09:11.439 --> 01:09:17.319
any detail or imaged with any detail. And this is an interview from twenty

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01:09:17.359 --> 01:09:28.039
eighteen where he describes a very unique
temple and also other peculiar carvings that make

718
01:09:28.159 --> 01:09:34.800
up one or more temples that he
is highlighting in this interview. Yeah,

719
01:09:34.840 --> 01:09:40.560
so the name of the temple is
hoys aal is wor a temple, and

720
01:09:40.640 --> 01:09:46.479
this temple is one of the strangest
temples in all of India. I've made

721
01:09:46.680 --> 01:09:51.279
I think half a dozen videos about
this temple because in this temple you can

722
01:09:51.319 --> 01:09:57.680
find many strange things. You can
find a carving of a telescope, and

723
01:09:57.800 --> 01:10:03.000
this temple is yeah, yeah,
it's amazing because this temple is about nine

724
01:10:03.079 --> 01:10:10.079
hundred years old, and you know, according to historians, telescope was only

725
01:10:10.119 --> 01:10:15.079
discovered just you know, three or
four hundred years ago. People we're reading

726
01:10:15.199 --> 01:10:21.119
history books that you know, Liperchet
and Galileo invented the telescope. But this

727
01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:29.199
temple shows a man holding a telescope
nine hundred years ago. This temple shows

728
01:10:29.399 --> 01:10:34.920
clear evidence of ancient machining. This
temple shows gears. But what's really amazing

729
01:10:35.039 --> 01:10:43.800
is that this temple shows ancient astronauts
with almost the same year as we see

730
01:10:43.840 --> 01:10:48.840
today. They're wearing gloves, they're
wearing helmets, they're actually there's not one

731
01:10:49.439 --> 01:10:54.159
there. I think there's about half
a dozen of them, and they're all

732
01:10:54.600 --> 01:10:59.920
in like a kneeling position to a
god that is sitting on the throne.

733
01:11:00.079 --> 01:11:01.800
And the academics have to say something
like that, I mean, to my

734
01:11:02.039 --> 01:11:04.920
mind and what I'm looking at,
I mean, some people might say,

735
01:11:05.319 --> 01:11:12.119
well, perhaps they're divers, they're
local divers, and that's a diving suit.

736
01:11:12.159 --> 01:11:16.239
But they look like they have breathing
apparatuses on them and some other details.

737
01:11:16.439 --> 01:11:19.079
What are the what do they say? What do the academics say,

738
01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:24.439
or maybe they don't say anything.
Yeah, they don't say anything. That's

739
01:11:24.520 --> 01:11:29.680
that's right. Actually, yeah,
they don't say anything. In India,

740
01:11:29.760 --> 01:11:33.720
all these out of place artifacts or
out of place carvings, they're all completely

741
01:11:33.880 --> 01:11:40.119
ignored. You know, archaeologists and
historians will not just talk about them,

742
01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:44.560
and they will simply say, we
don't know what this is. We are

743
01:11:44.640 --> 01:11:47.199
yet to find out, you know
that, And that's the general statement that

744
01:11:47.239 --> 01:11:55.800
they use. Yeah, and see, but we don't have any anything from

745
01:11:56.479 --> 01:12:03.760
archaeologists and historians. But we can
actually find the answers in ancient Indian texts,

746
01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:12.000
because ancient Indian texts talk about you
know, ancient astronauts coming to Earth

747
01:12:12.119 --> 01:12:16.079
all the time. They're called they
was in India, and they talk about

748
01:12:16.119 --> 01:12:25.319
how the day was came from different
planets they were and there were various planets

749
01:12:25.359 --> 01:12:32.039
and various types of gods were coming
to Earth, and there were wars between

750
01:12:32.079 --> 01:12:36.199
them. They were fighting amongst each
other, and we have clear evidence of

751
01:12:36.359 --> 01:12:45.560
how they were teaching us. They
were teaching human beings about science technology.

752
01:12:45.720 --> 01:12:53.439
In fact, it's so well documented
in Indian texts how ancient astronauts came down

753
01:12:53.479 --> 01:12:59.439
from the sky and they taught human
beings about agriculture, rioting, you know.

754
01:12:59.800 --> 01:13:05.720
And I think this explains how human
beings are able to show a remarkable

755
01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:11.399
development, you know, like even
if we think, you know, the

756
01:13:11.399 --> 01:13:16.359
theory of evolution is true for about
two hundred thousand years, human beings have

757
01:13:16.479 --> 01:13:24.119
been walking, but only in the
last five five thousand years they were able

758
01:13:24.199 --> 01:13:30.399
to go from you know, just
being hunter gatherers to building the pyramids and

759
01:13:30.680 --> 01:13:34.479
just going to Mars. And this
is all just in the last five thousand

760
01:13:34.520 --> 01:13:39.800
years. Let me ask you about
this temple though. Is this temple designated

761
01:13:39.960 --> 01:13:46.520
towards the space off world beings or
is it dedicated towards astronomy. I mean,

762
01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:51.119
because right there you got somebody holding
a telescope, you have some spacemen.

763
01:13:51.399 --> 01:13:59.560
Is there rocket ships or anything like
a vomana or a flying vehicle outlined

764
01:13:59.640 --> 01:14:06.359
in these carvins. No, there
is no vimana in this temple. This

765
01:14:06.479 --> 01:14:13.399
temple which is called the Hoisalis word
temple is actually dedicated to Lord Shiva.

766
01:14:14.319 --> 01:14:19.159
Lord Shiva is actually one of the
very first gods who came to Earth,

767
01:14:19.199 --> 01:14:25.560
and he's considered the supreme leader,
and all the gods who came to India

768
01:14:25.600 --> 01:14:31.279
after that are considered inferior to him. I see in India almost all temples

769
01:14:31.319 --> 01:14:38.079
are dedicated to the gods who came
from the sky. Interesting and this temple.

770
01:14:38.159 --> 01:14:45.000
How old is the temple itself?
Well, archeologists confirmed that this is

771
01:14:45.039 --> 01:14:49.399
at least nine hundred years old.
Okay, okay, so it is at

772
01:14:49.520 --> 01:14:55.319
least nine hundred years old, but
it could be much much older because what

773
01:14:55.439 --> 01:15:04.880
it actually shows it shows Egyptians and
it's actually showing Egyptian from twenty five hundred

774
01:15:04.920 --> 01:15:11.319
BC. So this is this temple
could be four thousand, five hundred years

775
01:15:11.319 --> 01:15:15.560
old. I've actually posted a video
about this on YouTube. So this temple

776
01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:23.560
could be much older because there was
absolutely no chance of having an Egyptian carved

777
01:15:23.920 --> 01:15:28.079
in a temple that's about nine hundred
years old. We don't have any documentary

778
01:15:28.119 --> 01:15:30.760
evidence. Yeah, yeah, it
would have to be older. One of

779
01:15:30.760 --> 01:15:33.720
the things I'm curious about, and
I don't know if you can answer this

780
01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:42.239
question. I travel to Mexico and
Central America and the Maya and some of

781
01:15:42.319 --> 01:15:49.399
the other earlier cultures, through different
generations began modifying their temples. They would

782
01:15:49.600 --> 01:15:57.520
each generation many hundreds or perhaps thousands
of years after the initial building was erected,

783
01:15:58.119 --> 01:16:04.800
would modify, would enhance. It
is that found in Indian architecture also,

784
01:16:04.960 --> 01:16:12.039
especially these older temples. Yes,
yes, but we can see gradual

785
01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:18.279
changes. The big difference is that
I think the big difference is that it's

786
01:16:19.479 --> 01:16:26.760
if we look at mainstream history,
they not only talk about like biological evolution,

787
01:16:27.479 --> 01:16:32.239
they also talk about technological evolution.
For example, you can if you

788
01:16:32.319 --> 01:16:35.960
compare the car that was built one
hundred years ago or fifty years ago,

789
01:16:36.359 --> 01:16:43.159
it's going to look much primitive than
the card that we use now. And

790
01:16:43.239 --> 01:16:48.960
this is quite understandable. But we
do see changes in temples. But what's

791
01:16:49.000 --> 01:16:55.800
really amazing is that the older the
temple, the more advanced it is.

792
01:16:56.640 --> 01:17:01.159
Yeah, and this is not really
evolution. This is actually sort of its

793
01:17:01.279 --> 01:17:06.399
reverse evolution, you know, to
ask and the oldest temples that we see

794
01:17:06.439 --> 01:17:12.479
in India, for example, the
Kaylasa Temple, it's just built out of

795
01:17:12.640 --> 01:17:19.840
one solid rock it's claimed to be
built just in eighteen years, which would

796
01:17:19.840 --> 01:17:26.119
be impossible. Let's talk about the
Kliasa Temple, because one of your recent

797
01:17:26.880 --> 01:17:31.359
videos shows two temples. There's a
model of the Kaliasa Temple and then there's

798
01:17:31.399 --> 01:17:35.880
the actual temple, and the story
goes that there was a father and son

799
01:17:35.960 --> 01:17:40.520
that competed against each other or something
that was kind of interesting. Can you

800
01:17:40.520 --> 01:17:44.039
talk a little bit about that the
Kaliasa for those of you listen listening,

801
01:17:44.079 --> 01:17:47.520
and by the way, I am
going to post specific videos of what we're

802
01:17:47.560 --> 01:17:53.279
talking about on the Facebook page and
also on Earth Ancient's website, so you

803
01:17:53.319 --> 01:18:00.279
can see exactly exactly what Pravine has
decided to highighlight of, you know,

804
01:18:00.319 --> 01:18:04.920
the twelve thousand different temples. We
talk a little bit about the Caliossa because

805
01:18:04.960 --> 01:18:14.960
that is one of the most amazing
solid rock carvings I've ever witnessed. Yeah,

806
01:18:15.039 --> 01:18:21.439
the the the actually, the Colossa
Temple is a true megalithic marble,

807
01:18:21.600 --> 01:18:26.640
just like the Pyramids. In fact, it's it's in some ways it's better

808
01:18:26.680 --> 01:18:34.119
than the Pyramid itself because what it
really is is that the entire temple is

809
01:18:34.279 --> 01:18:41.600
just made of one rock. There
is a hill made of flood bassalt.

810
01:18:42.079 --> 01:18:46.399
And what ancient builders have done is
that they started out from the top and

811
01:18:46.439 --> 01:18:54.119
they carved an entire temple out of
this hill. And it's amazing. And

812
01:18:54.560 --> 01:18:59.479
when you actually visit this place,
you don't realize that. And this is

813
01:18:59.479 --> 01:19:03.039
what people get. You know,
until two thousand and fifteen, people did

814
01:19:03.039 --> 01:19:09.479
not realize that the Kailasa Temple was
made of one solid rock until I told

815
01:19:09.479 --> 01:19:15.640
them. Because when people walk into
this temple, it's so large, it's

816
01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:20.159
I don't know how huge it is. It has many, many smaller shrines

817
01:19:20.199 --> 01:19:27.880
inside it. It has multiple floors, so people think it's been built from

818
01:19:27.920 --> 01:19:32.119
the bottom down. You know,
when we create a structure, right,

819
01:19:33.640 --> 01:19:38.079
when we create a structure, what
we do is we build a foundation.

820
01:19:38.279 --> 01:19:42.399
We start laying stones from the bottom
and go to the top. But what

821
01:19:42.600 --> 01:19:47.760
ancient bulders have done is that they've
taken they've located a hill and they decided

822
01:19:47.840 --> 01:19:53.680
to start from the top and then
carve an entire temple. There are tairways

823
01:19:53.680 --> 01:19:59.760
inside it. You would never realize
that this is made of just one rock.

824
01:20:00.319 --> 01:20:03.119
Yeah, and we have had kings, you know, we have had

825
01:20:05.239 --> 01:20:11.439
Mongol and Arab kings who came from
different countries, who actually tried to destroy

826
01:20:12.399 --> 01:20:15.640
this temple, and it's not possible
to destroy them. What they were able

827
01:20:15.680 --> 01:20:21.520
to do was able to disfigure a
few carvings. Because if everything is made

828
01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:29.359
of one rock, and it's I
don't know how many tons of rocks it

829
01:20:29.439 --> 01:20:35.199
is made of, but it's simply
impossible even to destroy. And I raised

830
01:20:35.199 --> 01:20:41.840
the question, if human beings can't
even destroy this temple, the human beings

831
01:20:41.920 --> 01:20:47.680
really built this temple. I've known
Graham Hancock for a number of years.

832
01:20:48.279 --> 01:20:53.960
He is an institution in his own
right. I can remember, and I

833
01:20:54.000 --> 01:20:59.319
talk about this often when he came
to Northern California when Fingerprints of the Gods

834
01:20:59.560 --> 01:21:05.840
was released in the late nineteen eighties
I think or early nineteen nineties, and

835
01:21:06.680 --> 01:21:15.920
I knew this was somebody very special
and prolific writer, an amazing observer.

836
01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:21.720
And that's what really is happening now, is we're having observers question history,

837
01:21:23.399 --> 01:21:29.640
question what is happening, question what
has been written, and begin opening the

838
01:21:29.680 --> 01:21:33.640
door, unfortunately with a crow bar, sometimes forcefully, but we have to

839
01:21:33.720 --> 01:21:41.199
change what our narrative is. And
Graham Hancock is really leading the way in

840
01:21:41.239 --> 01:21:45.840
many, many ways. So here's
a very early interview with Graham on the

841
01:21:45.680 --> 01:21:56.640
asteroid hit that is part of the
Younger dreat In your research on this,

842
01:21:57.359 --> 01:22:00.760
I'm just going to call it a
terminating event. Would you say the effects

843
01:22:01.000 --> 01:22:06.359
were not only felt in the North
American region but throughout the world. I

844
01:22:06.359 --> 01:22:11.560
mean, you speak a great deal
about go Beckley TEPPI, Yeah, magicians

845
01:22:11.600 --> 01:22:16.359
of the guys. Would you say
that this effect was global? What happened

846
01:22:16.399 --> 01:22:20.159
at the beginning of the Younger Dryest
twelve eight hundred and sixty years ago was

847
01:22:20.199 --> 01:22:28.159
absolutely a global cataclysm on a scale
that may be compared with the so called

848
01:22:28.239 --> 01:22:31.359
KT event that wiped out the dinosaurs
sixty five million years ago. We're talking

849
01:22:31.359 --> 01:22:38.199
about an event on a similar scale. It really covers a vast area of

850
01:22:38.199 --> 01:22:42.039
the Earth's surface. We can say
that the epicenter was in North America.

851
01:22:42.119 --> 01:22:46.239
And remember that North America. Twelve
nine hundred years ago, half of North

852
01:22:46.279 --> 01:22:50.399
America was covered with a massive ice
camp, and that ice cap was up

853
01:22:50.399 --> 01:22:58.239
to two miles deep. And the
evidence is that the primary impacts we're on

854
01:22:58.960 --> 01:23:01.880
that North America an ice cap.
But you can draw out a map of

855
01:23:01.920 --> 01:23:08.439
this cataclysm and there were impacts as
far east as Syria as a matter of

856
01:23:08.439 --> 01:23:12.439
fact. So what we're looking at
is a comet swarm, a swarm of

857
01:23:12.520 --> 01:23:19.359
debris which this debris consists of fragments
of what was once a huge comet that

858
01:23:19.439 --> 01:23:25.319
broke up into multiple parts, a
swarm of comic debris entering the Aarth's atmosphere

859
01:23:25.319 --> 01:23:30.640
twelve eight hundred and sixty years ago
on a roughly northwest to southeast trajectory,

860
01:23:30.119 --> 01:23:34.520
the primary impacts, with objects as
much as one kilometer in diameter being on

861
01:23:34.600 --> 01:23:41.119
the North American ice cap itself,
but with further impacts of perhaps smaller objects

862
01:23:41.119 --> 01:23:45.119
on the Northern European ice cap and
the furthest east that the fallout has been

863
01:23:45.159 --> 01:23:51.920
traced is a site called Abohurera in
Syria, which is extremely close to gobecle

864
01:23:53.039 --> 01:23:56.840
Tepe. So we have to ask
ourselves whether the megalithic constructions of Turkey,

865
01:23:56.880 --> 01:24:00.800
whether the mysterious underground cities of Turkey, for example, may have had something

866
01:24:00.840 --> 01:24:04.359
to do with this cataclysm, because
this is not something that simply happened in

867
01:24:04.399 --> 01:24:13.039
a single year. We're looking at
at an episode decades of bombardment taking place.

868
01:24:13.159 --> 01:24:18.039
This is the transaction of the Earth
with the turid media stream tends to

869
01:24:18.119 --> 01:24:26.119
occur with the filaments of the tourid
media stream that are full of dangerous objects.

870
01:24:25.680 --> 01:24:29.920
Tends to occur over periods of ten
or twenty years, and then declines

871
01:24:29.960 --> 01:24:31.960
and goes down for thousands of years
and then comes back up again. So

872
01:24:32.279 --> 01:24:36.319
we are still in a relationship with
the tourid media stream today. It was

873
01:24:36.359 --> 01:24:42.199
objects from the turid media stream that
caused the beginning of the Younger Dryass Cataclysm

874
01:24:42.279 --> 01:24:45.920
twelve eight hundred and sixty years ago. There's now evidence in a recently published

875
01:24:45.920 --> 01:24:53.000
paper from the same team that there
were prior impacts going back ten or twenty

876
01:24:53.079 --> 01:24:57.039
thousand years before that, and that
there have been subsequent impacts. So we're

877
01:24:57.079 --> 01:25:01.479
looking at a hidden hand in human
history which is gradually revealing itself. When

878
01:25:01.520 --> 01:25:06.840
you say a terminating event, what
would you give the number of percentage wise

879
01:25:06.920 --> 01:25:11.880
in terms of loss of human life? Would you say there was a remaining

880
01:25:12.680 --> 01:25:15.520
ten twenty percent? I mean,
it's hard to say, obviously, because

881
01:25:15.520 --> 01:25:21.720
we don't have. What we know
is that exactly the same time, there

882
01:25:21.760 --> 01:25:28.159
were very large scale animal extinctions.
These are the extinctions of the of the

883
01:25:28.159 --> 01:25:34.760
megafauna, the rhinos, the mammoths, the mastodons, and so on.

884
01:25:34.800 --> 01:25:43.359
And there's an extreme peak concentration of
these megafonal extinctions with the period from twelve

885
01:25:43.880 --> 01:25:47.359
eight hundred and sixty down to eleven
six hundred years ago, which is the

886
01:25:47.399 --> 01:25:54.079
period the geologists call the Younger Dryas
it's long been a mysterious period in Earth

887
01:25:54.159 --> 01:25:59.000
history. We've never really had an
explanation for why the Earth was coming out

888
01:25:59.000 --> 01:26:02.439
of the Ice Age twelve nine hundred
years ago and then suddenly plunged back into

889
01:26:02.560 --> 01:26:12.600
intense freezing conditions that lasted for one
two hundred years. The comet impact hypothesis,

890
01:26:12.600 --> 01:26:16.359
which is now supported by just reams
and massive of evidence in all of

891
01:26:16.399 --> 01:26:23.079
the leading scientific journals, is the
hypothesis that best explains the cataclysm of the

892
01:26:23.119 --> 01:26:27.560
Younger Dryers. So we see during
the Younger Dryers a massive die off of

893
01:26:28.199 --> 01:26:31.760
animal species, and it would be
absurd to propose that human beings escaped that

894
01:26:31.800 --> 01:26:40.319
cataclysm unscathed. There is evidence of
disruption and disturbance of human populations at that

895
01:26:40.359 --> 01:26:43.920
time, but honestly, the work
is really just beginning. Yeah, you

896
01:26:44.079 --> 01:26:47.279
also highlight the work of Randall Carlson. We've had Randall on the show a

897
01:26:47.359 --> 01:26:50.960
number of times. Radall is a
good friend of mine and he and I

898
01:26:50.560 --> 01:26:57.479
have done travels and adventures together,
and it was traveling with Randal across the

899
01:26:57.560 --> 01:27:01.600
Channel scab Lads of the Pacific Northwest
back in twenty fourteen was a very important

900
01:27:01.600 --> 01:27:06.319
research journey for me in the preparation
for writing Magicians of the Gods. Yeah,

901
01:27:06.359 --> 01:27:11.560
I mean, his description of these
megafloods is just mind blowing. In

902
01:27:11.600 --> 01:27:19.119
fact, the Mexican Geographical Society has
now reported that up to as recent as

903
01:27:19.159 --> 01:27:26.640
one five hundred years ago there were
tsunamis and flooding in northern Mexico, and

904
01:27:26.680 --> 01:27:30.560
there's great evidence of that, and
they don't know how that occurred. So

905
01:27:30.880 --> 01:27:33.479
it's really brought up a whole new
level of thinking. You know, I

906
01:27:33.520 --> 01:27:39.520
think that I think the science,
archaeological science in particular, if archaeology can

907
01:27:39.600 --> 01:27:47.359
be called a science at all,
how has a lot more work to do

908
01:27:47.399 --> 01:27:51.520
on the issue of cataclysms. So
you can understand how this happened, how

909
01:27:51.600 --> 01:27:58.479
archaeology became allergic to cataclysms. It
happened when archaeology was taking shape as a

910
01:27:58.520 --> 01:28:02.399
discipline in the nineteenth century. This
was also the time of Darwin's work on

911
01:28:02.479 --> 01:28:08.520
evolution and the time when modern science
began to define itself as something that was

912
01:28:08.600 --> 01:28:15.560
completely separated from an unconnected to,
for example, biblical ideas and biblical superstitions.

913
01:28:16.239 --> 01:28:25.560
And one of the strong ideas biblical
ideas is the notion of the Great

914
01:28:25.640 --> 01:28:30.239
Flood, that there was a cataclysmic
flood that wiped out almost all species,

915
01:28:30.640 --> 01:28:38.079
leaving only a few survivors. And
geologists and their archeological colleagues in the nineteenth

916
01:28:38.159 --> 01:28:43.720
and early twentieth century were very keen
to distance themselves from such ideas. They

917
01:28:43.760 --> 01:28:47.000
did not want to be involved in
cataclysms, particularly of the nature of Noah's

918
01:28:47.039 --> 01:28:51.880
flood. In any way they wanted
to be. They wanted to show how

919
01:28:51.920 --> 01:28:57.720
scientific they were, how objective they
were, how they had separated themselves off

920
01:28:57.760 --> 01:29:02.000
from these so called primitive superstars.
But I think in the process they threw

921
01:29:02.079 --> 01:29:08.119
out the baby with the bath water. Of course, cataclysms have played a

922
01:29:08.279 --> 01:29:13.560
huge role in the human story,
and really today we're only just now beginning

923
01:29:13.640 --> 01:29:17.880
to realize how dramatic and how massive
that role has been, and certainly in

924
01:29:17.920 --> 01:29:21.840
the case of the event of twelve
eight hundred and sixty years ago. We

925
01:29:23.279 --> 01:29:30.399
are looking at an event that changed
the world completely. My next highlight is

926
01:29:30.479 --> 01:29:33.800
with Muhammad Imbraheem. This was the
first time I did an interview with him.

927
01:29:34.319 --> 01:29:38.000
We hadn't even done a tour yet, and I wanted to get a

928
01:29:38.079 --> 01:29:46.079
sense of his involvement in the history
of the Pharaohs, but not only that,

929
01:29:46.239 --> 01:29:50.880
what his take was from a different
perspective. As you know, he's

930
01:29:51.159 --> 01:29:57.479
trained as a classic Egyptologist, but
began seeing things at a very young age

931
01:29:57.479 --> 01:30:04.119
that really changed his position and his
perspective on ancient Egypt. What do you

932
01:30:04.119 --> 01:30:08.399
think of their point of view?
What do you think of keeping the party

933
01:30:08.439 --> 01:30:18.199
line and uh, you know claiming
the Sphinx was from Kufu and the Great

934
01:30:18.359 --> 01:30:24.720
Pyramid was built during the Dynastic period. When you when you hear these party

935
01:30:24.760 --> 01:30:29.840
lines, what can you do just
speak to people when you meet with him

936
01:30:29.880 --> 01:30:33.560
on tour or do you write about
it? How do you get the word

937
01:30:33.600 --> 01:30:40.960
out from your perspective? Of course, I don't you know. I feel

938
01:30:40.960 --> 01:30:46.199
sad about this because there are two
levels of understanding this. There is yourtology

939
01:30:46.319 --> 01:30:50.520
level, which I don't deny.
By the way, I agree it happened

940
01:30:50.560 --> 01:30:55.720
so many of the stories happened.
But the first living, this is I

941
01:30:55.760 --> 01:31:00.359
call it the second living. The
first level is that big question. What

942
01:31:00.520 --> 01:31:04.319
we are saying it happened, this
was the only thing happened. As an

943
01:31:04.319 --> 01:31:09.760
example, we can say the Great
Permit was used as a tomb. Okay,

944
01:31:09.800 --> 01:31:13.119
I agree with this. But if
this is the only thing happened,

945
01:31:13.600 --> 01:31:17.760
and if or is the Great pyramit
was built to be used as a tomb,

946
01:31:18.000 --> 01:31:23.800
this is now the question. And
that question is not based on imagination.

947
01:31:24.359 --> 01:31:30.479
It is based on so many evidences, so many questions about the techniques

948
01:31:30.520 --> 01:31:35.159
and the size of the buildings.
That's why I'm trying hard to do many

949
01:31:35.159 --> 01:31:42.199
ways of trying to answer this question
or presenting this point of view during my

950
01:31:42.319 --> 01:31:49.520
tours on Facebook, on YouTube,
lectures, writing some documents like in academia

951
01:31:50.279 --> 01:31:56.239
website. So I'm trying to show
the people why we think that the Permit

952
01:31:56.439 --> 01:32:01.800
wasn't built as a tool. Well
that's great. Have you ever talked with

953
01:32:02.119 --> 01:32:10.439
some of your professors following your work
as a professional, like speak with Zahi

954
01:32:10.560 --> 01:32:13.319
Hawas and say, hey, Sahai, you need to look at it like

955
01:32:13.439 --> 01:32:15.960
this or take a look at this
a little closer. So on and so

956
01:32:16.000 --> 01:32:19.479
forth, because you know, Sahi
h Was goes way back with people like

957
01:32:19.600 --> 01:32:25.680
Chris Dunn and Graham Hancock and a
number of authors who have pointed out huge

958
01:32:25.720 --> 01:32:32.000
anomalies, huge bits of evidence that
a lot of the structures from the past

959
01:32:32.560 --> 01:32:38.760
on the Giza Plateau are we're created
with the machines. What do you say

960
01:32:38.800 --> 01:32:43.840
to that, Look, I can
tell you Unfortunately, the chance to meet

961
01:32:43.920 --> 01:32:48.680
them is very limited, if not
very hard. That's why I am meeting

962
01:32:48.720 --> 01:32:55.359
the juniors, and I talk with
the juniors, and many of them don't

963
01:32:56.920 --> 01:33:00.199
correspond, they don't agree with what
I say. Right of course, when

964
01:33:00.199 --> 01:33:08.920
you say juniors, you mean newly
graduated Egyptologists. No, No, like

965
01:33:10.279 --> 01:33:15.720
ten years after graduation. Okay,
okay, yes, not very graduate fresh

966
01:33:15.920 --> 01:33:21.439
or and not high of fish in
between, okay, okay. Because we

967
01:33:21.520 --> 01:33:28.000
do have one major problem that Egyptology
is a very old is a very old

968
01:33:28.079 --> 01:33:31.800
science or subject in Egypt and in
the whole world. You know, I

969
01:33:31.840 --> 01:33:39.720
can tell you with great confidence Egyptology
started from the Greek Roman time, not

970
01:33:39.760 --> 01:33:45.479
only the Middle Ages. So it
became like a Bible holy book. So

971
01:33:45.560 --> 01:33:50.520
when you argue with the Bible,
it means that most of the people will

972
01:33:50.560 --> 01:33:54.720
not believe you. When you say
Bible, you mean like the Greeks were

973
01:33:54.720 --> 01:34:01.520
studying the various pyramidal structures in Egypt
and they wrote it. Yes, that's

974
01:34:01.520 --> 01:34:06.079
why the word pyramid is Greek.
The world the timbill is Greek. The

975
01:34:06.119 --> 01:34:12.079
word kiops, the word for most
of the ancient Egyptian or most of the

976
01:34:12.079 --> 01:34:19.399
Egyptology terminology is Greek. Wow.
When we say how oras isis was Iris,

977
01:34:19.560 --> 01:34:25.600
this is all Greek names. Hmmm, I didn't know that. Let's

978
01:34:25.600 --> 01:34:29.560
get into this. Let's talk a
little bit about the hard evidence. Now,

979
01:34:30.199 --> 01:34:33.319
what have you uncovered which leads you
to believe that the pharaohs, the

980
01:34:34.079 --> 01:34:41.199
dynastic pharaohs, did not build the
structures on the Giza plateau, including the

981
01:34:41.239 --> 01:34:43.880
Sphinx? What? What? What? What? What was your what's the

982
01:34:43.880 --> 01:34:48.399
biggest takeaway? What is you?
What have you found independent of your training

983
01:34:48.439 --> 01:34:56.520
that made you believe that the pharaohs
that we understand uh today were not the

984
01:34:56.560 --> 01:35:04.039
builders? Okay? Number one is
when you look to the stone and the

985
01:35:04.119 --> 01:35:09.560
material they claimed they cut the stone
was, it doesn't make sense. Like,

986
01:35:09.640 --> 01:35:13.920
as an example, in the Great
Pyramid, we have two materials inside

987
01:35:13.960 --> 01:35:18.359
the Great Pyramid lime stone, which
is not very hard material, but we

988
01:35:18.479 --> 01:35:25.359
still have some big blocks till twenty
tons and granite. Now this is the

989
01:35:25.439 --> 01:35:31.680
big problem, the granite. And
according to Egyptology, till the Middle Kingdom,

990
01:35:32.279 --> 01:35:36.520
or like all the time of all
the Kingdom and the beginning of the

991
01:35:36.560 --> 01:35:44.279
Middle Kingdom, ancient Egypt didn't use
any iron. They were depending on bronze

992
01:35:44.760 --> 01:35:49.840
and copper. So when we come
to the fact that can coober cut limestone,

993
01:35:50.199 --> 01:35:57.279
yes, not easy job, but
it can happen. Can cobber cut

994
01:35:57.600 --> 01:36:02.479
granite? No, how strong you
know, completely no, absolutely no,

995
01:36:03.159 --> 01:36:10.439
impossible, right, Okay, So
this is one of the main evidences.

996
01:36:11.039 --> 01:36:15.880
I use it to explain to my
friends because sometimes I take my own colleagues

997
01:36:15.880 --> 01:36:21.119
and my friends who are interested in
this subject to the Pyramids and to Gize

998
01:36:21.119 --> 01:36:26.119
Blatau, and also to the Egyptian
Museum, because there is a great evidence

999
01:36:26.159 --> 01:36:31.600
in the Egyptian Museum, the unfinished
books, which we can see when they

1000
01:36:31.640 --> 01:36:36.560
were trying to cut the lid of
the books from the same block, it

1001
01:36:36.680 --> 01:36:42.560
seemed that the mistake happened, so
they broke half of the lid, so

1002
01:36:42.800 --> 01:36:47.600
it became like wasted material. So
when we look to the cut now and

1003
01:36:47.640 --> 01:36:51.800
we are lucky that this mistake happened. So when we look to the cut,

1004
01:36:53.000 --> 01:36:55.279
it is not a cut of a
chessel at all. It's a cut

1005
01:36:55.319 --> 01:37:01.079
of a big circular SOO, okay, what in your what is your feeling

1006
01:37:01.119 --> 01:37:06.600
about the people who actually cut?
How? Who are these people? How

1007
01:37:06.680 --> 01:37:13.439
old? How far back do we
go to recognize them? And where did

1008
01:37:13.439 --> 01:37:17.119
they come from? Who are these
people that actually built these great structures?

1009
01:37:18.279 --> 01:37:24.560
Okay, I want like two minutes
to exiplain to you as a small story.

1010
01:37:24.840 --> 01:37:30.199
Yes, okay, So number one, how we say that there was

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advanced tools because we can see the
mark the result of that advansit tool,

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01:37:35.560 --> 01:37:41.079
the black tools, right okayes Like
we can see in in next to the

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01:37:41.079 --> 01:37:48.520
Great Pyramid on the eastern side there
is a great basalt foundation. They say

1014
01:37:48.600 --> 01:37:53.159
that it used to be the base
of a big temple. I agree with

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01:37:53.199 --> 01:38:00.239
this. We see some so cuts
like modern tools, no way to and

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01:38:00.319 --> 01:38:03.039
it was happened by any manual tools. Cannot do this any any person,

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01:38:03.640 --> 01:38:12.079
even the very restricted minds. When
they see it, they will immediately understand

1018
01:38:12.119 --> 01:38:16.399
this is a modern sow cut or
a so cut like modern tools like power

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01:38:16.399 --> 01:38:21.680
tools. Also in the Great at
the Egyptian Museum, as I said that

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01:38:21.840 --> 01:38:27.239
box, which is very clear,
and most of my friends when I took

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01:38:27.279 --> 01:38:31.760
them there, they completely convinced because
you don't only see the cut mark,

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01:38:32.279 --> 01:38:38.239
but also you see the curve.
That's why I said circular sow. I

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01:38:38.319 --> 01:38:42.640
was very clear when I was also
explaining the shape of the saw does not

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01:38:42.880 --> 01:38:48.279
straight, so circular sow because the
mark of the curve on the stone.

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01:38:48.399 --> 01:38:55.560
You can see that curved mark.
Right. Okay, number two, we

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01:38:55.680 --> 01:39:02.439
think that this kind of tool wasn't
during the nesters. Why because the us

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01:39:02.479 --> 01:39:06.680
are structures. We are very sure
it was built during as an example,

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01:39:06.760 --> 01:39:14.479
the Forced dynasty surrounding the Perimit.
When you look to the technique and the

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01:39:14.600 --> 01:39:17.720
material and the quality and the finishing, it doesn't match the same like the

1030
01:39:17.720 --> 01:39:24.520
Great Pyramid. Someone will can tell
you no, because this is happened by

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01:39:24.640 --> 01:39:30.039
the royal architects and workers and this
is maybe not. Now I can say

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01:39:30.079 --> 01:39:34.000
no, he will be wrong because
this is all royal cemetery according to the

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01:39:34.000 --> 01:39:41.800
Egyptology terminology. So if we have
any structure in this royal area will be

1034
01:39:41.920 --> 01:39:45.640
done by the royal group, nobody
else. So we must have the same

1035
01:39:45.680 --> 01:39:50.279
technique. Even if we took about
big scale or a smaller scale, the

1036
01:39:50.359 --> 01:39:59.279
technique will have been in both structures. Okay. The last thing that during

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01:39:59.359 --> 01:40:04.199
what we call the pre dynastic time, which is we explained as primitive people

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01:40:05.000 --> 01:40:11.279
before the dynastics, and they were
collecting food, they didn't even had any

1039
01:40:11.359 --> 01:40:17.880
kind of civilization, and they started, yeah, the hunter gatherers exactly,

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01:40:17.920 --> 01:40:23.680
and then they gathered in small villages
and then towns and then cities and the

1041
01:40:24.279 --> 01:40:30.119
regular type of civilization happened. In
the tombs of those pre dynastic people,

1042
01:40:30.239 --> 01:40:35.840
we found very primitive tools and very
primitive products like pottery, and even not

1043
01:40:35.960 --> 01:40:41.960
in a good shape, so some
of the tombs were made before the invented

1044
01:40:42.000 --> 01:40:49.560
the buttery wheel. But the surprising
thing that with this collection of primitive products

1045
01:40:50.079 --> 01:41:00.039
you find very fine selection of perfect
products from very hard stones like granite,

1046
01:41:00.279 --> 01:41:06.079
like some soft materials were very delicate
like alabaster, like schist, some foreign

1047
01:41:06.159 --> 01:41:13.159
materials like ametists like labis, lazuli. So here's a big question, very

1048
01:41:13.159 --> 01:41:19.920
big question, how come those primitive
people did this. We are denying that

1049
01:41:20.359 --> 01:41:26.920
the dynasties, which I agree and
I don't underestimate their civilization. They had

1050
01:41:26.960 --> 01:41:31.920
also great civilization and they managed to
achieve great things. But when we come

1051
01:41:32.000 --> 01:41:36.720
to the power tool, we must
stop. So if we deny that they

1052
01:41:36.760 --> 01:41:41.439
were able to do this, how
come those primitive people and everybody, a

1053
01:41:41.479 --> 01:41:46.840
Gyptologists or other people was alternative stories. We all admit that this era was

1054
01:41:47.000 --> 01:41:57.239
primitive. How come they made such
perfect designs and great products? So here

1055
01:41:57.319 --> 01:42:02.600
is my own answer, and so
many us people that do things were found

1056
01:42:02.920 --> 01:42:08.920
by the primitive people, and they
used it and they kept with them,

1057
01:42:08.960 --> 01:42:12.680
and when they died, they puried
it with them. So the word found

1058
01:42:12.880 --> 01:42:17.039
means it was made before them.
Okay, so this is how we think

1059
01:42:17.279 --> 01:42:25.199
that there was a civilization before the
Egyptian civilization. So we can call the

1060
01:42:25.199 --> 01:42:30.560
Egyptian civilization the one we love the
dynastic civilization, so that there was previous

1061
01:42:30.560 --> 01:42:40.199
civilization and it seemed that it was
more advanced than the dynastic time. I

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01:42:40.239 --> 01:42:47.359
hope you enjoyed this reminiscing over the
years of various interviews here on Earth Ancients,

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01:42:47.520 --> 01:42:55.800
And I gotta also mention our little
sister Destiny. Destiny has also carved

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a path in the podcast world,
and if you haven't listened, to Destiny.

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You might want to check it out
sometime because a lot of the healing

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01:43:04.239 --> 01:43:11.640
work the ancient std meditation, yoga, body mind and spirit work so forth.

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And so I'm today evolved from ancient
civilizations and we have some of the

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01:43:18.359 --> 01:43:27.000
top people on Destiny each week to
describe to provide what we call tools for

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01:43:27.119 --> 01:43:32.600
transformation. And this is a way
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1070
01:43:32.760 --> 01:43:40.479
allopathic treatments of drugs, surgery or
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Destiny is something to check out every
Wednesday, and that was launched in twenty

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twenty one. It's big brother.
Earth Ancients has been around since twenty fourteen.

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We are celebrating our tenth year anniversary
and I really appreciate you joining the

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show each Saturday. I put a
lot of energy in. We have a

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team that puts a lot of energy
in the show. And it's dear to

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my heart as my child. Obviously, if you're listening, you've been with

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us for a while, or if
you're new, welcome to Earth Ancients the

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podcast. I want to thank all
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them on the program and hearing them
again. I gotta say, we are

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really fortunate to have a great team. And remember I have a little bit

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of an advantage over other podcasts simply
because I know a lot of these people

1082
01:44:39.239 --> 01:44:45.079
personally, or I've had them in
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1083
01:44:45.119 --> 01:44:49.840
when I was working for Whole Life
Expo, we did national tours in many

1084
01:44:49.840 --> 01:44:57.079
of the top cities of the United
States. So but I'm always looking for

1085
01:44:57.239 --> 01:45:01.439
and working with different publishers who were
releasing new books, and we really do

1086
01:45:01.560 --> 01:45:09.159
try to feature new authors, new
research investigators, some people who have written

1087
01:45:09.319 --> 01:45:12.960
papers, some people who've written book
books. But you know, not always

1088
01:45:13.119 --> 01:45:19.000
necessary to write something. If you
are publishing on YouTube, you're doing videography,

1089
01:45:19.119 --> 01:45:24.720
those people are featured as well.
So we're hoping for another ten years

1090
01:45:24.760 --> 01:45:29.119
of Earth Ancients. As much fun
as this has been. And I got

1091
01:45:29.119 --> 01:45:32.920
to say, the tours came out
in twenty eighteen. Those were an extension

1092
01:45:32.960 --> 01:45:38.119
of your wish to check these places
out and go and emailing me and going,

1093
01:45:38.119 --> 01:45:40.560
hey, Cliff, when are you
going to Mexico? When are you

1094
01:45:40.560 --> 01:45:43.039
going to Egypt? When are you
going to Turkey? So forth and so

1095
01:45:43.119 --> 01:45:46.800
on. So the tours are a
great deal of fun and you should look

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at those two. All that information
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as well as all of our podcasts
six hundred plus I think it's six forty

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plus, and all the information on
our tours is all there. Some of

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01:46:04.000 --> 01:46:09.600
the articles that I write are there. I'm hoping to have a book out

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01:46:09.680 --> 01:46:12.840
soon. I keep saying that,
but I need to be more disciplined.

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01:46:13.920 --> 01:46:16.119
It's hard to write when you're on
vacation, or I shouldn't say have vacation

1102
01:46:16.239 --> 01:46:20.239
on tour out in Egypt or in
Mexico. You just you come back to

1103
01:46:20.279 --> 01:46:25.039
your room and you just crash.
So I need to be more disciplined.

1104
01:46:25.119 --> 01:46:30.439
So hopefully this book will come out
soon. The Maya controversy that gives you

1105
01:46:30.520 --> 01:46:36.079
my point of view. It's kind
of a compilation of the time I've spent

1106
01:46:36.399 --> 01:46:43.800
in Mexico with Mayan elders and things. So that's coming out. Happy anniversary

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