WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:06.599 Wal check, check and check. This is the two seventeen Recovery podcast with 2 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:10.240 Corey Winfield. He knows as soon as he gives it to her, he's 3 00:00:10.279 --> 00:00:14.679 gonna give her his heart to her too, and we'll have kids and getting 4 00:00:14.720 --> 00:00:22.960 married. That's too far. It is the fourth of May, made a 5 00:00:23.640 --> 00:00:27.920 Fourth be with you. My name is Cory Winfield and this is the two 6 00:00:27.960 --> 00:00:32.840 seventeen Recovery podcast. Joining me in the North studio tonight is the one, 7 00:00:33.079 --> 00:00:39.079 the only, the very special Star Wars fanatic who might not be one of 8 00:00:39.079 --> 00:00:43.399 those. It is Mitchell. Mitchell, Congratulations, I'm making it through another 9 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:47.840 day at two seventeen Recovery and welcome to the podcast. It's pretty savage around 10 00:00:47.880 --> 00:00:50.520 here. If you want to say, may the Fourth be with you, 11 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:56.759 Live long and prosper No, it's gonna make somebody angry. Probably that's okay, 12 00:00:56.799 --> 00:01:00.119 man, because now they can talk to their therapist about it and they 13 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:04.040 can start digging deep on that issue they had with Star Wars and people when 14 00:01:04.159 --> 00:01:07.519 Star Trek Yep picking them up getting confused. It makes a lot of people 15 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:11.120 angry. So it was a good day. Yeah, you were telling me 16 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:15.239 that you learned how to make pictures Uh, that was pretty cool. I 17 00:01:15.280 --> 00:01:19.840 was proud of you. I was like, wow, really going above and 18 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:22.920 beyond here at to seventeen Recovery. Been making a lot of flyers with a 19 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:25.239 lot of people you have been. They've been great. Yep, some of 20 00:01:25.239 --> 00:01:33.640 them get very good criticism from my boss. Um. No, I learned 21 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:36.439 how to make well hold on. I gotta defend myself. Usually I just 22 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:41.560 walk in and go, Mitchell, this is fix this, get it the 23 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:48.120 play here or you can get you down there and make and not usually like 24 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:53.079 thinks, but try again. You did go? Did you pee on this 25 00:01:55.120 --> 00:02:02.040 the one time? I think a lot of little now you're pretty gentle. 26 00:02:02.359 --> 00:02:07.359 I'd just like to complain. Yeah no, but yeah. So it's been 27 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:10.360 fun for you, I think, and I can tell you have like a 28 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:14.520 sense of purpose almost, you know, and the guys that are starting meetings 29 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:19.080 because a little backstory here is we have the two seventeen Recovery Center in Traverse 30 00:02:19.080 --> 00:02:23.039 City that we're going to open to meetings next week, and there's some guys 31 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:27.360 that live in some sober living homes that are near us, and we went 32 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:29.360 over there and say, hey, you guys want to start your own kind 33 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:31.159 of thing like feel free, you know, if you want to start your 34 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:35.120 meetings up, or you want to go to meetings whatever. If there's not 35 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:37.719 a meeting, they will come on down. And a couple of the guys 36 00:02:37.719 --> 00:02:38.919 are like, hey, I always looked thinking about starting this kind of meeting 37 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:42.639 or this kind of whatever, and like, sure, man, it's pure 38 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:46.360 lad. So whatever you find that works for you to keeps your sober man, 39 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:52.599 come on down. And they did, and they came down and you 40 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:54.759 helped them make fires, and it was it was really nice because they were 41 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:59.560 really really super proud of them and it really gives them that sense of pride 42 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:02.919 for their meeting, and I think that's huge. Yeah, they were really 43 00:03:02.919 --> 00:03:06.879 proud of it. I'm really happy with it, which you know, did, 44 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:08.439 like you said, gave me a sense of purpose, which was cool. 45 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:14.039 I had a friend of mine since working here say, which, will 46 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:20.240 you look really happy? Like you're like glowing, like you're stepping into what 47 00:03:20.280 --> 00:03:23.879 you're supposed to do. I was at first. I was like, I 48 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:28.080 don't know what that means. I am happy, but yeah, so it's 49 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:30.439 been great. Probably like, well, it's because I'm not at work hearing 50 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:38.919 this from guy who says he's my boss to do with that. You're like, 51 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:39.960 I'm yeah, I'm not a work man. Of course I'm happy, 52 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:45.080 you know, seeing me tomorrow about nine o'clock and it'll be a different story. 53 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:49.360 But I've always liked to help people and so doing it like this, 54 00:03:49.639 --> 00:03:55.520 especially when it's something that I've been through and seeing other people working to get 55 00:03:55.520 --> 00:03:59.319 through it too, being able to say that, you know, hey, 56 00:03:59.680 --> 00:04:04.000 I had, I was able to reach and pull them kind of like reach 57 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:08.800 out and help. And I like, because you're starting meeting too, and 58 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:12.000 I like your story and I tell it to quite a few people that I 59 00:04:12.039 --> 00:04:14.520 meet. And when I was talking to a bunch of people about the meetings 60 00:04:14.520 --> 00:04:15.399 that we're gonna have here, and I would talk about your meeting, I 61 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:17.399 was like, look, here's the guy who, yeah, he went to 62 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:21.279 some AA meetings, he went to some NA meetings, but it wasn't that's 63 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:26.040 not what you used to like push you through and to get you clean. 64 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:29.519 And that just goes to show you that it's different for every single person. 65 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:33.199 Some people they might love AA, some people might love love A, some 66 00:04:33.199 --> 00:04:36.720 people might love ANY. Some people might mix it up. Some people do 67 00:04:36.759 --> 00:04:42.040 PODCAST. You know, like it's whatever works for you. And you're going 68 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:46.560 to start the Spirit of Recovery meetings on Saturday morning at ten o'clock here and 69 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:50.600 people can join on zoom. But you found Christ, you know, you 70 00:04:50.879 --> 00:04:54.519 got that relationship with God, you know, and you're just like, that's 71 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:58.519 what I needed and a recovery coach. That was a perfect combination for me, 72 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:01.399 you know. And I think that's great. And when people hear that, 73 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:03.519 they kind of think, Wow, that's that's cool, that it's not 74 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:08.319 just you know, your typical a NA And there's nothing wrong with those programs, 75 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:10.800 you know, there's nothing wrong with smart recovery, which we're gonna have 76 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:14.399 a smart recovery here too, because there's a person that likes that and that's 77 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:15.959 what they want to do. And hey, man, that's great that they 78 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:20.319 can do it here. But your meeting though, you're gonna have donuts. 79 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:26.000 Yep. Ye might had to go and get my Jesus on on Saturday mornings. 80 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:29.800 We got potters right down the street. Man, gotta gotta utilize that. 81 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:33.120 A big fan support local business. Yeah, I tried it. This 82 00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:35.680 is the word bad. Maybe it's during COVID. Well it wasn't during COVID, 83 00:05:35.720 --> 00:05:39.639 but I don't know. COVID donuts weren't as good. Maybe that's what 84 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:44.519 Maybe I should give him a fourth chance. I don't know you ever had 85 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:47.439 a west Coat donut? No, there's no West Coast in Traverse City. 86 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:53.839 No, we should open one. No, No, hey man, they 87 00:05:55.160 --> 00:05:59.920 they have one in Manistee. There's one in Cadillac. I think that might 88 00:05:59.920 --> 00:06:03.199 be our closest one. The first time, well, Manistee, Yeah, 89 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:09.319 they're about the same, I guess. But the first time Marnie went to 90 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:14.439 a west Coat she about lost her ship because she was like, what is 91 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:15.839 They got like a little coffee bar. I'm like, no, honey, 92 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:17.560 that's just where you put your creamer. And she's like, yeah, but 93 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:24.040 they got all these kind of creamers and the coffee's actually good and smells nice, 94 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:29.639 and the donuts are fresh, and it's it's a big deal where I'm 95 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:30.800 from, well, not where I'm from. They just passed and oh yeah, 96 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:33.040 that's West Go man. I mean, if we're gonna talk about donut 97 00:06:33.079 --> 00:06:36.120 shops, we've got to talk about Daylight donut knowing not that one. What's 98 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:45.759 the one downtown here? Yeah, Tire City, Yeah, Bob's Bob's Donuts. 99 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:50.959 Jims. No, it's right down like across from Bubba's Burgers. So 100 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:58.519 back in my high rolling days when I was delivery driver door to ash, 101 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:00.600 I picked him up a lot. Forget their name. They're amazing. They 102 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:03.439 make them like you order it and then they make it for you. But 103 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:08.839 it's not their little bitty ones they are. But oh hell no, don't 104 00:07:08.839 --> 00:07:11.240 even start with dude, don't even compare those of us. Call. I'm 105 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:13.560 gonna tell Moroney that you did well, even our head Westco. So you 106 00:07:13.600 --> 00:07:15.199 weren't comparing that. You were just saying this is good. This might be 107 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:17.000 as good as Westco. But no, no, no, no, no 108 00:07:17.199 --> 00:07:20.319 stop. It just the fact that it was still warm from the friar. 109 00:07:20.600 --> 00:07:25.079 No, it's Againmick. They take these donuts that they get out of the 110 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:28.439 little bag at the store of the little ones, and then they put it 111 00:07:28.439 --> 00:07:30.600 in the microwave about ten things, dip it in a little fudge, and 112 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:31.959 then throw some like candy topping on them, like here you go, you're 113 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:35.800 sure, butter finger those hostess ones. Yeah, and then they charge you 114 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:39.360 eight dollars for a little last donut. I don't know. You get two 115 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:42.600 of them for eight dollars. I'm like Jesus man, I feel betrade. 116 00:07:43.240 --> 00:07:48.120 I felt betrayed until you went back to West West. I'm telling you, 117 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:51.399 man, the Westcall is not paying me anything. But I'm just saying Tom 118 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:57.279 Toms's all right, donuts, grab them. We don't let time round here. 119 00:07:57.279 --> 00:08:00.560 You say anything good about Tom's Oh, I have nothing. It's Tom's 120 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:05.160 tyrone. He said, Tom Brady must own this, and Tom Brady must 121 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:09.160 be broke. He's like, because Tom wants his money and Tom's prices are 122 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:13.879 really high. That's what he says. He's not wrong. But there's one 123 00:08:15.040 --> 00:08:18.160 very close to my house, and I had a brother that worked there for 124 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:22.120 a pretty long time. So it was like support local businesses. We keep 125 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:24.800 going back to that. Do they pay him? Well? No, it 126 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:28.439 was sad. We went to La. My brother worked for a store. 127 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:33.080 He was the accountant person guy. My brother did all right, but we 128 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:39.320 went in there and we went over to the little fruit section and they have 129 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:41.960 pineapple that was like cut up, and we I think we talked about on 130 00:08:41.960 --> 00:08:46.720 the podcast we did when we were in La and we walked over and it 131 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:52.320 was like forty bucks for some cut up pineapple in this little jug. And 132 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:54.679 I was like, damn, like, what this is? Who touched it? 133 00:08:56.360 --> 00:09:01.120 You know what Brady and here cutting them up. You know it's called 134 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:07.080 Gilsten's or Gleason's or something like that. But then we were going then we 135 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:09.360 saw bananas. No, that was just crazy. Mart He's like, I 136 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:11.480 can't believe there's nothing I can buy in here. You know. We're like 137 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:13.000 not just because we're you know, we're like, we're not pairing that for 138 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:18.200 that. By god? Was it one of those like fancy organic places. 139 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:20.639 They had some stuff in there, but my brother said, it's where like 140 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:24.919 I think my mom went there and saw halle Berry and there once. It's 141 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:28.840 like one of the like yeah, they'll pay forty dollars some cut up pineapple. 142 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:33.720 Just not be around anybody else, you know. And even Pop Rozzy 143 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:35.440 don't go in there because they get thirsty and they gotta buy water for twenty 144 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:39.960 five dollars and they're like, well, we're gonna wait outside for halle Berry 145 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:43.200 come out. But we asked her, like damn, like how much did 146 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:46.879 the cashier's making. He was like, oh, about eighty grand a year. 147 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:50.440 Sorry would but it is la cost of living is a lot more. 148 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:54.399 But like, what do you do if we're living. I'm a cashier, 149 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:58.360 you think, oh oh no, no, I'm over eighty grand a year 150 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:03.080 drives an ah. My brother said that there's like a long wait to have 151 00:10:03.159 --> 00:10:07.320 that job. I was like, I bet you know, checking out halle 152 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:09.600 Berry every day, ching, here's your fruit, see you later. Because 153 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:13.960 it wasn't slam packed like a Maya up here. So it's funny that you 154 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:16.120 went to produce because that's what my brother did at Thomas As. He was 155 00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:20.759 the produce guy. So he wasn't the accountant. He was a guy that 156 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:26.080 sorted the grapes. So he's in he's in packaging in back a career, 157 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:31.639 so yeah, good stuff. I guess he could be in accounting. Then 158 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:35.720 he's sorting grapes. What are the bean counters? Yeah, doesn't know what 159 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:41.720 they call him so great counters though, but yeah, just different kind, 160 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:46.000 just different kind of accounting. The County was going on, I wonder who 161 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:54.279 invented counting. I'm pretty sure I knew him, I think so, oh 162 00:10:54.360 --> 00:11:00.480 you're pointing to the ceiling past that oh the roof Jesus, oh jeezus, 163 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:03.639 Okay, you think he invented it? Yeah? Nah or dead? No, 164 00:11:03.799 --> 00:11:11.000 I think it's that one guy's one ringy dinghy, two ringy dinghy. 165 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:15.879 The guy from Sesame Street, I'll say that, vampire guy. Yeah, 166 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:20.519 he invented it, the three ringy dinghy. People just didn't count things before 167 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:26.879 what eighteen eighty something when that started. Think so that isn't the seventies thing. 168 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:30.679 I wonder how many people or how many kids went to school and they 169 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:33.159 were like counting, and you ever had to count out loud? Sometimes we 170 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:35.799 do it and like all right, we'll go around the room and keep going. 171 00:11:35.919 --> 00:11:41.759 And I wonder how many kids were like one ringy dinghy and two ringy 172 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:48.360 dingy with the accent for three ringing dinghy after Sesame Street came out. I'm 173 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:52.639 sure teachers hated Jim Henson. Jim, that's it, that's the name. 174 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:58.559 I don't think so the guy, the public guy. Yeah, oh yeah, 175 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:03.440 yeah. That's something we'll never know the answer to. I could google 176 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:07.960 it, but kind of killed the fun right now. Sometimes not knowing the 177 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:13.159 answer it makes it even more fun because you can still speculate. At one 178 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:16.480 time, I don't I couldn't tell you what podcast it was, what episode, 179 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:20.720 but we were talking about alcohol being invented, and like I found out 180 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:26.200 that it was invented by the Chinese, like way before even Jesus was round 181 00:12:26.039 --> 00:12:28.679 and Marnie said, I was making fun of them, but I was like, 182 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:31.919 what would they even talk about up there, Like, hey, this 183 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:35.720 makes this and that, and I don't think, oh, way before you 184 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:39.120 said way before. I thought you said after and I'm like, oh, 185 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:41.759 wait for sure. That was one of the first things he ever did that 186 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:46.080 was cool was made alcohol. Wait, Jesus making alcohol was cool. We 187 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:48.759 turned water into wine. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like that trick, 188 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:52.200 the party trick he did. Yeah, it was a good stuff too. 189 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:54.279 Everybody was like whoa, yeah, I saw not on a show once. 190 00:12:56.519 --> 00:13:00.519 They're like, this was better than the other stuff what it says in 191 00:13:00.519 --> 00:13:03.919 the book. I wonder why Jesus didn't make treatment centers. I think that 192 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:09.480 was kind of his goal. But he tried to help a lot of people. 193 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:11.039 You turn and water into wine for these people at his wedding, But 194 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:16.679 you can't like hook a brother up with some some treatment. But she did 195 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:22.600 though in the end, But he was maybe it's maybe thousands of people I 196 00:13:22.639 --> 00:13:28.440 don't know, arguably alcoholics at the time too, people with unclean spirits. 197 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:37.559 Yeah. Ah, he helped me out. That's pretty cool, thank you. 198 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:43.279 Yeah, your old work wasn't that impressive when you helped me. Oh, 199 00:13:45.279 --> 00:13:48.080 that wasn't that good stuff. When I was in jail and I got 200 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:50.159 on my knees and I said, Lord, let that be the last drink 201 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:56.840 I ever take, and you said, okay, sitting here for another week 202 00:13:56.919 --> 00:14:01.679 or two. That's a really interesting part of my story was being in the 203 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:05.000 thickest, deepest, darkest part. I'm gonna go a real serious honest now. 204 00:14:05.799 --> 00:14:13.360 Um, worst of the the addiction for me, the drinking was I 205 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:18.759 grew up religious and then I became an adult and kind of was like, 206 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:22.559 oh, whatever, have fun, and you know, then that brought along 207 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:26.279 addiction. But I would go back to it from time to time and try 208 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:30.240 to use it as like one of those things to like get better. Like 209 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:33.320 I tried the AA and didn't work, and rabbit worked until it didn't. 210 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:37.519 Then I tried church and it worked until I didn't. Then I tried counseling 211 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:41.039 and it worked until it didn't. It wasn't until I found kind of a 212 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:46.039 combination of all those things. And um, but I remember, like like 213 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:48.360 you said, like being in the worst of it. You know, you're 214 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:54.720 you're sobering up and you can't afford to go buy another bottle, and your 215 00:14:54.720 --> 00:15:01.399 hands are shaken and you're just dying. Yeah, and I would. I 216 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:05.039 got so unhealthy, and I know you can kind of relate to this because 217 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:07.799 of the health issues that you went through, but so unhealthy at one point 218 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:13.120 that I could barely get out of bed to walk across my hallway just to 219 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:16.759 go to the bathroom. Like it was like excruciating, like you see those 220 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:20.799 like cartoons of like guys in the desert walking towards the water. It's like 221 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:24.399 I just had to take a piss, and that was my life. And 222 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:31.320 I just remember sitting there and one time in the hospital, probably a couple 223 00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:35.440 times in the hospital, in just my room, just hating my life, 224 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:39.080 going through its rawls, and just being like God, like I know, 225 00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:43.840 like I've heard the stories of you doing this for people. Please please, 226 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:46.320 I believe you're there, Like, please do this for me. It's like 227 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:56.879 sobbing and shaking and just all the things. And it wasn't until recently that 228 00:15:56.039 --> 00:16:00.440 I kind of understood that I do you think that he's done that for people? 229 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:04.399 I've been like you asked for it, there you go, and then 230 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:11.159 people can use that as a testimony like for him, but for me, 231 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:15.720 I was always like, why wouldn't you do that for me? And recently 232 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:22.159 it kind of was really revealed to me that I kind of got this pride 233 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:23.440 where I was like, God didn't do it for me. He had me 234 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:27.559 do it for myself so I could get stronger. But I even realized I 235 00:16:27.559 --> 00:16:33.759 don't think that was true, Like He kind of guided me through it so 236 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:38.080 I could use my own strength to get through it. Because I don't want 237 00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:41.000 anybody to ever think that. I don't believe that God didn't help me out 238 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:45.279 of that, but he didn't give me the easy way out for a reason. 239 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:49.200 It's actually one of the things that we're going to talk about during the 240 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:53.799 first meeting of the Spirit of Recovery, and it's actually going to be about 241 00:16:55.480 --> 00:16:59.360 David from the Old Testament where and a lot of people are like, oh, 242 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:02.600 you're gonna talk about David slaying giants and we're an addiction. I'm like, 243 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:06.720 yeah, like everybody else has ever done a Bible study for you know, 244 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:11.920 addicts. No, we're gonna talk about how David had their confidence to 245 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:18.720 go up against Goliath because of his past life experience before that past life, 246 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:22.440 but his into star tracking. I know, I know we started with Star 247 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:27.279 Wars Sector, but no, his younger life being a shepherd and fighting bears 248 00:17:27.359 --> 00:17:32.279 and lions and stuff like that. And it's like, you know, you're 249 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:37.599 going through tough times because you're gonna be able to take on big shit later. 250 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:42.599 And that's going to be a kind of our opening discussion to open up 251 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:45.759 and be like, right, what do you guys want to talk about now? 252 00:17:45.559 --> 00:17:49.400 The thought provoker? Yeah, And some people they think, well, 253 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:53.559 I prayed and it's supposed to just happen like you wave a magic wand and 254 00:17:55.240 --> 00:17:56.480 I don't know about your God, but my God doesn't work that way. 255 00:17:56.519 --> 00:18:00.160 Like he helps those who helps them themselves, you know, and you have 256 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:03.279 to do it. Like I could have just prayed, hey, God, 257 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:04.759 let that be the last drink I ever taken, then got out of jail 258 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:08.279 and just thought, all right, well let's go get drunk today, you 259 00:18:08.319 --> 00:18:11.920 know. But it's something that I needed to want myself. And yeah, 260 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:17.240 he did it. I get him all the credit for sure, but he 261 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:19.880 had me doing things for myself, you know, like there were there were 262 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:23.079 things lining up that I could have never never seen coming. And then that's 263 00:18:23.079 --> 00:18:26.119 the beauty of it. When you look back at it too, you realize, 264 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:27.960 like I could have not have lined all this stuff, the stuff up 265 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:33.079 by myself. And he put people in the path. You know. When 266 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:36.920 I started to veer off the path, he yanked me and put me right 267 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:38.759 back on it. I said, no, go this way, man, 268 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:41.160 like you've asked for the stuff. Here you go, you know, like 269 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:47.119 keep going, keep going. When I think what you said is, you 270 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:51.359 know, I don't know about your God, but my God, like I 271 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:53.799 think he does both. And I think if you look into the Bible, 272 00:18:53.839 --> 00:18:59.119 it shows that. And that's why I'm talking about David and not Jesus, 273 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:02.319 because Jesus did a lot of stuff, like you have faith, let me 274 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:03.799 heal you. Boom, it's done, it's gone, it's over with. 275 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:07.559 He can do that, but he doesn't do that all the time, like 276 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:11.599 he didn't, like David didn't go up to the Giant and be like, 277 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:17.880 Jesus, save me from this guy, and then he like keeled over dead, 278 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:19.960 like he had to use aliens in to shoot him up. Yeah, 279 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:25.440 exactly, I'm going to star trek, but no, it was his past 280 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:29.920 experience that taught him how to deal with that, and he went through those 281 00:19:29.960 --> 00:19:34.160 tough experiences. I just wish, wish that I had the grace that David 282 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:38.000 did, because for a long time it was like for me, it was 283 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:41.720 like I had to go through all this stuff and now I can. I 284 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:45.839 can handle him so strong now, and but I was still kind of bitter 285 00:19:45.880 --> 00:19:48.319 that I had to go through the tough times. And the thing I like 286 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:51.599 about that story is he gets there. He's a scrawny guy, he's the 287 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:55.200 little guy. All the soldiers are like cowering, and he's like, yeah, 288 00:19:55.240 --> 00:19:56.960 let's do this. They're like, how do you even. He's like, 289 00:19:57.039 --> 00:20:00.440 I've you know, the bears and lions. He's like, he's just 290 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:07.200 some dude, Like what, let's do this. I'm gonna cheat and throw 291 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:11.200 this rock at him. I'm gonna fight dirty. You don't fight a fair 292 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:14.279 man. It worked you ever fight a bear? You know, you don't 293 00:20:14.319 --> 00:20:17.640 russell bears until those rock and hit them around the head, and you don't 294 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:22.319 want to get within that paw reach. That's my sheep, bear, you 295 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:26.680 my sheep. Save something for me. Man. He was, you know, 296 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:29.759 he was getting bored out there you know, just kicking rocks and thinking 297 00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:32.240 to himself, why am I doing this again? This sucks? And then 298 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:34.359 they gotta fight bears every once in a while. Yeah, this is horrible. 299 00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:38.200 I hate this job. But then boom, he didn't see it coming 300 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:41.680 and then boom, like he is, like you said, using that skill 301 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:45.160 that not in a millionaires. What do you thought, Oh, I'm gonna 302 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:48.440 go use this and fight this guy, and it's gonna start this whole revolution, 303 00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:52.279 you know, like he never never thought that he became one of the 304 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:56.319 greatest kings of Israel, you know, And that's what I really like and 305 00:20:56.440 --> 00:21:00.839 kind of relate to about I've never become a king. But it's like once 306 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:07.240 you step into that purpose, you get through that university stage of your life 307 00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:11.400 where you go through the hard times to learn the lesson, and you start 308 00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:17.000 to step into that point where you can start to use it. Good stuff 309 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:18.920 just boom boom, and you're gonna have rough stuff. It's like, it's 310 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:22.279 not it's you can't hear me say that it's only gonna be good stuff. 311 00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:26.720 But like you know, when you're going through it, you don't know why 312 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:27.920 you're going through it, but it's not up to you to know why, 313 00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:33.119 right, But I have a question for you. Yes, let go ask 314 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:38.279 you how many people you think David killed after glathe thousands? There's a song 315 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:44.680 about it with a slink shot though. I mean you think like if somebody 316 00:21:44.680 --> 00:21:48.640 got too close to his wife. He was just first of the dude had 317 00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:52.440 like seventeen wives. That's a lot of stones he had to be carrying around 318 00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:55.119 with him. You think you think his stone get her guy would like kind 319 00:21:55.119 --> 00:21:56.160 of screw him up, get him a real light one one time, Like, 320 00:21:56.240 --> 00:22:00.960 yeah, well see how David likes this, Oh jamayah whatever. He's 321 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:04.039 in como here and beat his ass when he's trysting those little fake blocks over 322 00:22:04.039 --> 00:22:10.279 a ant him. It's just dirt mud. Oh man, what did you 323 00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:12.039 do in check Okaya or whatever your name is. Don't beat me up. 324 00:22:12.359 --> 00:22:18.440 So basically, he did, and I'm gonna go like theology on it. 325 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:22.319 He did what he did with Eliza because that's what he knew. And he 326 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:29.519 was a kid like they think he was a teenager, and he became a 327 00:22:29.559 --> 00:22:32.920 man and used a sword, And that's actually part of the story that I'm 328 00:22:32.920 --> 00:22:37.279 gonna share in it is later after because he did he killed many many, 329 00:22:37.279 --> 00:22:40.720 many people, and there was actually a song that the people saying it talks 330 00:22:40.720 --> 00:22:44.440 about it in the Bible. The king at the time that he was working 331 00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:48.680 for that loved him. That's why he started to hate him because the people 332 00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:51.960 loved him so much because there was a song that was King saw killed a 333 00:22:52.039 --> 00:22:55.720 thousand people day. He was killed ten thousands something like I don't know. 334 00:22:56.720 --> 00:22:59.720 And then the king was like, they love him more, they love him 335 00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:03.599 more me and got Superman and then try to kill him for like twenty years. 336 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:07.880 So he was that generation seem murder, yeah, okay, and man 337 00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:11.480 seventeen wives, Like I don't know if that's an actual number, but it 338 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:17.039 was a lot because it could have been to seventeen and what if, like 339 00:23:17.119 --> 00:23:21.440 what about now makes that not okay to have seventeen wives if that's the number. 340 00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:25.599 I was actually just talking to somebody about this the other day and it's 341 00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:32.279 like that wasn't we don't really know, Like that wasn't really the way that 342 00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:34.519 God wanted to happen in the beginning, because he made one dude and one 343 00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:37.880 wife for him and it was like, Hey, this is how you're supposed 344 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:41.119 to do things. But then later on in the Bible. You have these 345 00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:48.359 great men doing great things for God that have five six seventy eight wives. 346 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:52.880 And another another question I've never asked nam about you, why did they stop 347 00:23:52.920 --> 00:24:04.839 writing the Bible? Argue? This is what I've heard recently, is one 348 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:11.920 because it was complete and it's like the training manual was done. Yeah, 349 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:14.440 it's pretty old. You can still get a lot out of it, though, 350 00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:18.279 but it's like it was. It was complete, and that's what it 351 00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:23.279 was supposed to be for us, so we can have that. But also 352 00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:33.240 it wasn't done being written, but bad guys took the stuff and took it 353 00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:37.640 up out of it, Like they say that they think the Bible used to 354 00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:40.759 have other books in it. Yeah, and do you know someone's still not 355 00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:47.359 writing it right? Actually, that was a shower thought I had yesterday maybe 356 00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:49.640 this morning, and I was like, what if what I'm doing? Because 357 00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:52.759 I've been reading about David a lot in this and it just I draw some 358 00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:57.000 parallels. You'll never be as great of a man he was, but like 359 00:24:57.279 --> 00:25:00.359 there's some parallels in it in my store. It's because you have seventeen wife 360 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:06.119 does not make you great and never but that much of a player. Um. 361 00:25:06.200 --> 00:25:10.240 But but I was like, what if what somebody's doing now, like 362 00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:12.799 and I don't think I really believe this, but it's like, what if 363 00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:15.920 somebody's doing something now, or what if I'm doing now and somebody's gonna write 364 00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:22.160 an autobiography and if the world, you know, Jesus doesn't come back within 365 00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:25.680 the next you know whatever, in two thousand years, they put together a 366 00:25:25.720 --> 00:25:29.720 book and it's like the New Bible, and like one of us is part 367 00:25:29.720 --> 00:25:33.000 of it. That'd be sweet. I don't think it's gonna happen. I 368 00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:34.559 don't really want to put anybolief in it, but it'd be cool. It's 369 00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:37.160 pretty far out. You thought about that in the shower. It was a 370 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:44.480 shower thought, so yeah, well she weren't thinking about other stuff like seventeen 371 00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:47.839 wives. I guess that'd be I'd be just way too much work. Man 372 00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:51.000 sounds some people like it would be great to have sex. Don't. No, 373 00:25:51.119 --> 00:25:55.359 it wouldn't. It'd be horrible. I would love to have a wife 374 00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:59.480 one yes, one, a wife, yes perfect. I don't know how 375 00:25:59.480 --> 00:26:02.200 people would even think that. Well, I mean back in the day, 376 00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:06.839 though, they'd have him like do stuff like make me rock so I can 377 00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:11.759 throw them at people or whatever David did, like David Man, he just 378 00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:15.200 said palace. And I'm pretty sure he had wives in different towns, like 379 00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:19.799 different area codes. That sounds that saying act like you don't know that song. 380 00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:25.200 The song is hose in different area codes. I wasn't sure if the 381 00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:29.920 H word was all right for the podcast. Um, yeah, that's fine, 382 00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:33.400 but yeah, I don't think they Yeah, it was a little bit 383 00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:36.160 different, and David had to do it for everybody. The King's back then, 384 00:26:36.319 --> 00:26:40.359 like I mean, those guys had people that just stood there and held 385 00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:44.559 their armor until he felt like putting it on. So it was a little 386 00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:48.920 bit different. But now, yeah, have you seen that show Sister Wives? 387 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:57.559 I can't say I have, so TLC one of those I can't like. 388 00:26:57.799 --> 00:27:03.839 That's the channel that has a ninety day fiance. It's about Let's do 389 00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:10.880 that has like four or five wives. It's legal wherever he's at. And 390 00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:15.160 I haven't seen it, but I've seen commercials for it, isn't It looks 391 00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:21.160 kind of like torture. Yeah, worse than The Bachelor. Yeah, just 392 00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:23.440 be careful what you wish for. I guess, And I don't know, 393 00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:26.720 like I've seen the show like that. I mean, like one was like 394 00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:30.240 milking a goat or something and I don't even know that was making cheese. 395 00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:37.319 There was like folding clothes and I think these guys are more modern. Sounds 396 00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:42.799 a little Amish to me, but oh, I say nothing. I love 397 00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:48.200 the Amish community, build great things for us to buy. But you're not 398 00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:53.039 listening to this podcast, so I don't know why I am. Yeah, 399 00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:57.079 So that'll do it for this episode of the podcast, and we'll leave that 400 00:27:57.160 --> 00:28:03.440 on the Amish people. Thanks for listening. And turned into David and Goliath 401 00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:11.640 slash Bible talk with Mitchell until I find it how much? And his meeting 402 00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:17.119 is Saturday's at ten am. It's not this Saturday, but next Saturday. 403 00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:21.119 He starts next Saturday. Yes, so thirteenth, ten am. Check it 404 00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:23.279 out. There'll be a link at two seventeen recovery dot com. There will 405 00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:27.160 also be easy way free to find it through our app and you can get 406 00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:30.799 our app through the app store. 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