Wal check, check and check. This is the two seventeen Recovery podcast with
Corey Winfield. He knows as soon as he gives it to her, he's
gonna give her his heart to her too, and we'll have kids and getting
married. That's too far. It is the fourth of May, made a
Fourth be with you. My name is Cory Winfield and this is the two
seventeen Recovery podcast. Joining me in the North studio tonight is the one,
the only, the very special Star Wars fanatic who might not be one of
those. It is Mitchell. Mitchell, Congratulations, I'm making it through another
day at two seventeen Recovery and welcome to the podcast. It's pretty savage around
here. If you want to say, may the Fourth be with you,
Live long and prosper No, it's gonna make somebody angry. Probably that's okay,
man, because now they can talk to their therapist about it and they
can start digging deep on that issue they had with Star Wars and people when
Star Trek Yep picking them up getting confused. It makes a lot of people
angry. So it was a good day. Yeah, you were telling me
that you learned how to make pictures Uh, that was pretty cool. I
was proud of you. I was like, wow, really going above and
beyond here at to seventeen Recovery. Been making a lot of flyers with a
lot of people you have been. They've been great. Yep, some of
them get very good criticism from my boss. Um. No, I learned
how to make well hold on. I gotta defend myself. Usually I just
walk in and go, Mitchell, this is fix this, get it the
play here or you can get you down there and make and not usually like
thinks, but try again. You did go? Did you pee on this
the one time? I think a lot of little now you're pretty gentle.
I'd just like to complain. Yeah no, but yeah. So it's been
fun for you, I think, and I can tell you have like a
sense of purpose almost, you know, and the guys that are starting meetings
because a little backstory here is we have the two seventeen Recovery Center in Traverse
City that we're going to open to meetings next week, and there's some guys
that live in some sober living homes that are near us, and we went
over there and say, hey, you guys want to start your own kind
of thing like feel free, you know, if you want to start your
meetings up, or you want to go to meetings whatever. If there's not
a meeting, they will come on down. And a couple of the guys
are like, hey, I always looked thinking about starting this kind of meeting
or this kind of whatever, and like, sure, man, it's pure
lad. So whatever you find that works for you to keeps your sober man,
come on down. And they did, and they came down and you
helped them make fires, and it was it was really nice because they were
really really super proud of them and it really gives them that sense of pride
for their meeting, and I think that's huge. Yeah, they were really
proud of it. I'm really happy with it, which you know, did,
like you said, gave me a sense of purpose, which was cool.
I had a friend of mine since working here say, which, will
you look really happy? Like you're like glowing, like you're stepping into what
you're supposed to do. I was at first. I was like, I
don't know what that means. I am happy, but yeah, so it's
been great. Probably like, well, it's because I'm not at work hearing
this from guy who says he's my boss to do with that. You're like,
I'm yeah, I'm not a work man. Of course I'm happy,
you know, seeing me tomorrow about nine o'clock and it'll be a different story.
But I've always liked to help people and so doing it like this,
especially when it's something that I've been through and seeing other people working to get
through it too, being able to say that, you know, hey,
I had, I was able to reach and pull them kind of like reach
out and help. And I like, because you're starting meeting too, and
I like your story and I tell it to quite a few people that I
meet. And when I was talking to a bunch of people about the meetings
that we're gonna have here, and I would talk about your meeting, I
was like, look, here's the guy who, yeah, he went to
some AA meetings, he went to some NA meetings, but it wasn't that's
not what you used to like push you through and to get you clean.
And that just goes to show you that it's different for every single person.
Some people they might love AA, some people might love love A, some
people might love ANY. Some people might mix it up. Some people do
PODCAST. You know, like it's whatever works for you. And you're going
to start the Spirit of Recovery meetings on Saturday morning at ten o'clock here and
people can join on zoom. But you found Christ, you know, you
got that relationship with God, you know, and you're just like, that's
what I needed and a recovery coach. That was a perfect combination for me,
you know. And I think that's great. And when people hear that,
they kind of think, Wow, that's that's cool, that it's not
just you know, your typical a NA And there's nothing wrong with those programs,
you know, there's nothing wrong with smart recovery, which we're gonna have
a smart recovery here too, because there's a person that likes that and that's
what they want to do. And hey, man, that's great that they
can do it here. But your meeting though, you're gonna have donuts.
Yep. Ye might had to go and get my Jesus on on Saturday mornings.
We got potters right down the street. Man, gotta gotta utilize that.
A big fan support local business. Yeah, I tried it. This
is the word bad. Maybe it's during COVID. Well it wasn't during COVID,
but I don't know. COVID donuts weren't as good. Maybe that's what
Maybe I should give him a fourth chance. I don't know you ever had
a west Coat donut? No, there's no West Coast in Traverse City.
No, we should open one. No, No, hey man, they
they have one in Manistee. There's one in Cadillac. I think that might
be our closest one. The first time, well, Manistee, Yeah,
they're about the same, I guess. But the first time Marnie went to
a west Coat she about lost her ship because she was like, what is
They got like a little coffee bar. I'm like, no, honey,
that's just where you put your creamer. And she's like, yeah, but
they got all these kind of creamers and the coffee's actually good and smells nice,
and the donuts are fresh, and it's it's a big deal where I'm
from, well, not where I'm from. They just passed and oh yeah,
that's West Go man. I mean, if we're gonna talk about donut
shops, we've got to talk about Daylight donut knowing not that one. What's
the one downtown here? Yeah, Tire City, Yeah, Bob's Bob's Donuts.
Jims. No, it's right down like across from Bubba's Burgers. So
back in my high rolling days when I was delivery driver door to ash,
I picked him up a lot. Forget their name. They're amazing. They
make them like you order it and then they make it for you. But
it's not their little bitty ones they are. But oh hell no, don't
even start with dude, don't even compare those of us. Call. I'm
gonna tell Moroney that you did well, even our head Westco. So you
weren't comparing that. You were just saying this is good. This might be
as good as Westco. But no, no, no, no, no
stop. It just the fact that it was still warm from the friar.
No, it's Againmick. They take these donuts that they get out of the
little bag at the store of the little ones, and then they put it
in the microwave about ten things, dip it in a little fudge, and
then throw some like candy topping on them, like here you go, you're
sure, butter finger those hostess ones. Yeah, and then they charge you
eight dollars for a little last donut. I don't know. You get two
of them for eight dollars. I'm like Jesus man, I feel betrade.
I felt betrayed until you went back to West West. I'm telling you,
man, the Westcall is not paying me anything. But I'm just saying Tom
Toms's all right, donuts, grab them. We don't let time round here.
You say anything good about Tom's Oh, I have nothing. It's Tom's
tyrone. He said, Tom Brady must own this, and Tom Brady must
be broke. He's like, because Tom wants his money and Tom's prices are
really high. That's what he says. He's not wrong. But there's one
very close to my house, and I had a brother that worked there for
a pretty long time. So it was like support local businesses. We keep
going back to that. Do they pay him? Well? No, it
was sad. We went to La. My brother worked for a store.
He was the accountant person guy. My brother did all right, but we
went in there and we went over to the little fruit section and they have
pineapple that was like cut up, and we I think we talked about on
the podcast we did when we were in La and we walked over and it
was like forty bucks for some cut up pineapple in this little jug. And
I was like, damn, like, what this is? Who touched it?
You know what Brady and here cutting them up. You know it's called
Gilsten's or Gleason's or something like that. But then we were going then we
saw bananas. No, that was just crazy. Mart He's like, I
can't believe there's nothing I can buy in here. You know. We're like
not just because we're you know, we're like, we're not pairing that for
that. By god? Was it one of those like fancy organic places.
They had some stuff in there, but my brother said, it's where like
I think my mom went there and saw halle Berry and there once. It's
like one of the like yeah, they'll pay forty dollars some cut up pineapple.
Just not be around anybody else, you know. And even Pop Rozzy
don't go in there because they get thirsty and they gotta buy water for twenty
five dollars and they're like, well, we're gonna wait outside for halle Berry
come out. But we asked her, like damn, like how much did
the cashier's making. He was like, oh, about eighty grand a year.
Sorry would but it is la cost of living is a lot more.
But like, what do you do if we're living. I'm a cashier,
you think, oh oh no, no, I'm over eighty grand a year
drives an ah. My brother said that there's like a long wait to have
that job. I was like, I bet you know, checking out halle
Berry every day, ching, here's your fruit, see you later. Because
it wasn't slam packed like a Maya up here. So it's funny that you
went to produce because that's what my brother did at Thomas As. He was
the produce guy. So he wasn't the accountant. He was a guy that
sorted the grapes. So he's in he's in packaging in back a career,
so yeah, good stuff. I guess he could be in accounting. Then
he's sorting grapes. What are the bean counters? Yeah, doesn't know what
they call him so great counters though, but yeah, just different kind,
just different kind of accounting. The County was going on, I wonder who
invented counting. I'm pretty sure I knew him, I think so, oh
you're pointing to the ceiling past that oh the roof Jesus, oh jeezus,
Okay, you think he invented it? Yeah? Nah or dead? No,
I think it's that one guy's one ringy dinghy, two ringy dinghy.
The guy from Sesame Street, I'll say that, vampire guy. Yeah,
he invented it, the three ringy dinghy. People just didn't count things before
what eighteen eighty something when that started. Think so that isn't the seventies thing.
I wonder how many people or how many kids went to school and they
were like counting, and you ever had to count out loud? Sometimes we
do it and like all right, we'll go around the room and keep going.
And I wonder how many kids were like one ringy dinghy and two ringy
dingy with the accent for three ringing dinghy after Sesame Street came out. I'm
sure teachers hated Jim Henson. Jim, that's it, that's the name.
I don't think so the guy, the public guy. Yeah, oh yeah,
yeah. That's something we'll never know the answer to. I could google
it, but kind of killed the fun right now. Sometimes not knowing the
answer it makes it even more fun because you can still speculate. At one
time, I don't I couldn't tell you what podcast it was, what episode,
but we were talking about alcohol being invented, and like I found out
that it was invented by the Chinese, like way before even Jesus was round
and Marnie said, I was making fun of them, but I was like,
what would they even talk about up there, Like, hey, this
makes this and that, and I don't think, oh, way before you
said way before. I thought you said after and I'm like, oh,
wait for sure. That was one of the first things he ever did that
was cool was made alcohol. Wait, Jesus making alcohol was cool. We
turned water into wine. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like that trick,
the party trick he did. Yeah, it was a good stuff too.
Everybody was like whoa, yeah, I saw not on a show once.
They're like, this was better than the other stuff what it says in
the book. I wonder why Jesus didn't make treatment centers. I think that
was kind of his goal. But he tried to help a lot of people.
You turn and water into wine for these people at his wedding, But
you can't like hook a brother up with some some treatment. But she did
though in the end, But he was maybe it's maybe thousands of people I
don't know, arguably alcoholics at the time too, people with unclean spirits.
Yeah. Ah, he helped me out. That's pretty cool, thank you.
Yeah, your old work wasn't that impressive when you helped me. Oh,
that wasn't that good stuff. When I was in jail and I got
on my knees and I said, Lord, let that be the last drink
I ever take, and you said, okay, sitting here for another week
or two. That's a really interesting part of my story was being in the
thickest, deepest, darkest part. I'm gonna go a real serious honest now.
Um, worst of the the addiction for me, the drinking was I
grew up religious and then I became an adult and kind of was like,
oh, whatever, have fun, and you know, then that brought along
addiction. But I would go back to it from time to time and try
to use it as like one of those things to like get better. Like
I tried the AA and didn't work, and rabbit worked until it didn't.
Then I tried church and it worked until I didn't. Then I tried counseling
and it worked until it didn't. It wasn't until I found kind of a
combination of all those things. And um, but I remember, like like
you said, like being in the worst of it. You know, you're
you're sobering up and you can't afford to go buy another bottle, and your
hands are shaken and you're just dying. Yeah, and I would. I
got so unhealthy, and I know you can kind of relate to this because
of the health issues that you went through, but so unhealthy at one point
that I could barely get out of bed to walk across my hallway just to
go to the bathroom. Like it was like excruciating, like you see those
like cartoons of like guys in the desert walking towards the water. It's like
I just had to take a piss, and that was my life. And
I just remember sitting there and one time in the hospital, probably a couple
times in the hospital, in just my room, just hating my life,
going through its rawls, and just being like God, like I know,
like I've heard the stories of you doing this for people. Please please,
I believe you're there, Like, please do this for me. It's like
sobbing and shaking and just all the things. And it wasn't until recently that
I kind of understood that I do you think that he's done that for people?
I've been like you asked for it, there you go, and then
people can use that as a testimony like for him, but for me,
I was always like, why wouldn't you do that for me? And recently
it kind of was really revealed to me that I kind of got this pride
where I was like, God didn't do it for me. He had me
do it for myself so I could get stronger. But I even realized I
don't think that was true, Like He kind of guided me through it so
I could use my own strength to get through it. Because I don't want
anybody to ever think that. I don't believe that God didn't help me out
of that, but he didn't give me the easy way out for a reason.
It's actually one of the things that we're going to talk about during the
first meeting of the Spirit of Recovery, and it's actually going to be about
David from the Old Testament where and a lot of people are like, oh,
you're gonna talk about David slaying giants and we're an addiction. I'm like,
yeah, like everybody else has ever done a Bible study for you know,
addicts. No, we're gonna talk about how David had their confidence to
go up against Goliath because of his past life experience before that past life,
but his into star tracking. I know, I know we started with Star
Wars Sector, but no, his younger life being a shepherd and fighting bears
and lions and stuff like that. And it's like, you know, you're
going through tough times because you're gonna be able to take on big shit later.
And that's going to be a kind of our opening discussion to open up
and be like, right, what do you guys want to talk about now?
The thought provoker? Yeah, And some people they think, well,
I prayed and it's supposed to just happen like you wave a magic wand and
I don't know about your God, but my God doesn't work that way.
Like he helps those who helps them themselves, you know, and you have
to do it. Like I could have just prayed, hey, God,
let that be the last drink I ever taken, then got out of jail
and just thought, all right, well let's go get drunk today, you
know. But it's something that I needed to want myself. And yeah,
he did it. I get him all the credit for sure, but he
had me doing things for myself, you know, like there were there were
things lining up that I could have never never seen coming. And then that's
the beauty of it. When you look back at it too, you realize,
like I could have not have lined all this stuff, the stuff up
by myself. And he put people in the path. You know. When
I started to veer off the path, he yanked me and put me right
back on it. I said, no, go this way, man,
like you've asked for the stuff. Here you go, you know, like
keep going, keep going. When I think what you said is, you
know, I don't know about your God, but my God, like I
think he does both. And I think if you look into the Bible,
it shows that. And that's why I'm talking about David and not Jesus,
because Jesus did a lot of stuff, like you have faith, let me
heal you. Boom, it's done, it's gone, it's over with.
He can do that, but he doesn't do that all the time, like
he didn't, like David didn't go up to the Giant and be like,
Jesus, save me from this guy, and then he like keeled over dead,
like he had to use aliens in to shoot him up. Yeah,
exactly, I'm going to star trek, but no, it was his past
experience that taught him how to deal with that, and he went through those
tough experiences. I just wish, wish that I had the grace that David
did, because for a long time it was like for me, it was
like I had to go through all this stuff and now I can. I
can handle him so strong now, and but I was still kind of bitter
that I had to go through the tough times. And the thing I like
about that story is he gets there. He's a scrawny guy, he's the
little guy. All the soldiers are like cowering, and he's like, yeah,
let's do this. They're like, how do you even. He's like,
I've you know, the bears and lions. He's like, he's just
some dude, Like what, let's do this. I'm gonna cheat and throw
this rock at him. I'm gonna fight dirty. You don't fight a fair
man. It worked you ever fight a bear? You know, you don't
russell bears until those rock and hit them around the head, and you don't
want to get within that paw reach. That's my sheep, bear, you
my sheep. Save something for me. Man. He was, you know,
he was getting bored out there you know, just kicking rocks and thinking
to himself, why am I doing this again? This sucks? And then
they gotta fight bears every once in a while. Yeah, this is horrible.
I hate this job. But then boom, he didn't see it coming
and then boom, like he is, like you said, using that skill
that not in a millionaires. What do you thought, Oh, I'm gonna
go use this and fight this guy, and it's gonna start this whole revolution,
you know, like he never never thought that he became one of the
greatest kings of Israel, you know, And that's what I really like and
kind of relate to about I've never become a king. But it's like once
you step into that purpose, you get through that university stage of your life
where you go through the hard times to learn the lesson, and you start
to step into that point where you can start to use it. Good stuff
just boom boom, and you're gonna have rough stuff. It's like, it's
not it's you can't hear me say that it's only gonna be good stuff.
But like you know, when you're going through it, you don't know why
you're going through it, but it's not up to you to know why,
right, But I have a question for you. Yes, let go ask
you how many people you think David killed after glathe thousands? There's a song
about it with a slink shot though. I mean you think like if somebody
got too close to his wife. He was just first of the dude had
like seventeen wives. That's a lot of stones he had to be carrying around
with him. You think you think his stone get her guy would like kind
of screw him up, get him a real light one one time, Like,
yeah, well see how David likes this, Oh jamayah whatever. He's
in como here and beat his ass when he's trysting those little fake blocks over
a ant him. It's just dirt mud. Oh man, what did you
do in check Okaya or whatever your name is. Don't beat me up.
So basically, he did, and I'm gonna go like theology on it.
He did what he did with Eliza because that's what he knew. And he
was a kid like they think he was a teenager, and he became a
man and used a sword, And that's actually part of the story that I'm
gonna share in it is later after because he did he killed many many,
many people, and there was actually a song that the people saying it talks
about it in the Bible. The king at the time that he was working
for that loved him. That's why he started to hate him because the people
loved him so much because there was a song that was King saw killed a
thousand people day. He was killed ten thousands something like I don't know.
And then the king was like, they love him more, they love him
more me and got Superman and then try to kill him for like twenty years.
So he was that generation seem murder, yeah, okay, and man
seventeen wives, Like I don't know if that's an actual number, but it
was a lot because it could have been to seventeen and what if, like
what about now makes that not okay to have seventeen wives if that's the number.
I was actually just talking to somebody about this the other day and it's
like that wasn't we don't really know, Like that wasn't really the way that
God wanted to happen in the beginning, because he made one dude and one
wife for him and it was like, Hey, this is how you're supposed
to do things. But then later on in the Bible. You have these
great men doing great things for God that have five six seventy eight wives.
And another another question I've never asked nam about you, why did they stop
writing the Bible? Argue? This is what I've heard recently, is one
because it was complete and it's like the training manual was done. Yeah,
it's pretty old. You can still get a lot out of it, though,
but it's like it was. It was complete, and that's what it
was supposed to be for us, so we can have that. But also
it wasn't done being written, but bad guys took the stuff and took it
up out of it, Like they say that they think the Bible used to
have other books in it. Yeah, and do you know someone's still not
writing it right? Actually, that was a shower thought I had yesterday maybe
this morning, and I was like, what if what I'm doing? Because
I've been reading about David a lot in this and it just I draw some
parallels. You'll never be as great of a man he was, but like
there's some parallels in it in my store. It's because you have seventeen wife
does not make you great and never but that much of a player. Um.
But but I was like, what if what somebody's doing now, like
and I don't think I really believe this, but it's like, what if
somebody's doing something now, or what if I'm doing now and somebody's gonna write
an autobiography and if the world, you know, Jesus doesn't come back within
the next you know whatever, in two thousand years, they put together a
book and it's like the New Bible, and like one of us is part
of it. That'd be sweet. I don't think it's gonna happen. I
don't really want to put anybolief in it, but it'd be cool. It's
pretty far out. You thought about that in the shower. It was a
shower thought, so yeah, well she weren't thinking about other stuff like seventeen
wives. I guess that'd be I'd be just way too much work. Man
sounds some people like it would be great to have sex. Don't. No,
it wouldn't. It'd be horrible. I would love to have a wife
one yes, one, a wife, yes perfect. I don't know how
people would even think that. Well, I mean back in the day,
though, they'd have him like do stuff like make me rock so I can
throw them at people or whatever David did, like David Man, he just
said palace. And I'm pretty sure he had wives in different towns, like
different area codes. That sounds that saying act like you don't know that song.
The song is hose in different area codes. I wasn't sure if the
H word was all right for the podcast. Um, yeah, that's fine,
but yeah, I don't think they Yeah, it was a little bit
different, and David had to do it for everybody. The King's back then,
like I mean, those guys had people that just stood there and held
their armor until he felt like putting it on. So it was a little
bit different. But now, yeah, have you seen that show Sister Wives?
I can't say I have, so TLC one of those I can't like.
That's the channel that has a ninety day fiance. It's about Let's do
that has like four or five wives. It's legal wherever he's at. And
I haven't seen it, but I've seen commercials for it, isn't It looks
kind of like torture. Yeah, worse than The Bachelor. Yeah, just
be careful what you wish for. I guess, And I don't know,
like I've seen the show like that. I mean, like one was like
milking a goat or something and I don't even know that was making cheese.
There was like folding clothes and I think these guys are more modern. Sounds
a little Amish to me, but oh, I say nothing. I love
the Amish community, build great things for us to buy. But you're not
listening to this podcast, so I don't know why I am. Yeah,
So that'll do it for this episode of the podcast, and we'll leave that
on the Amish people. Thanks for listening. And turned into David and Goliath
slash Bible talk with Mitchell until I find it how much? And his meeting
is Saturday's at ten am. It's not this Saturday, but next Saturday.
He starts next Saturday. Yes, so thirteenth, ten am. Check it
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