WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.520 --> 00:00:07.400 This is the baseline, discussing the hot button topics of the nb A welcome 2 00:00:07.400 --> 00:00:11.359 everybody, your tune to the baseline. Calie Warrenshaw discussing the hot button topics 3 00:00:11.359 --> 00:00:16.399 of the NBA. We are only a few weeks away before we say goodbye 4 00:00:16.519 --> 00:00:22.160 to twenty twenty three, hello to twenty twenty four. But the NBA certainly 5 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:27.719 is giving us anyway is the gift that keeps on giving? You know, 6 00:00:27.760 --> 00:00:30.600 as we start getting towards the end of the year, man, it's been 7 00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:36.240 an exciting first few months of the NBA season. Some surprising storylines have emerged, 8 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:40.560 you know, some teams that have elevated themselves into the conversation of being 9 00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:46.600 playoff contenders. You know where in many regards we probably wouldn't have even sniffed 10 00:00:46.600 --> 00:00:52.719 them as being a top ten possible team. The surprising quick start sort of 11 00:00:52.759 --> 00:00:56.200 speak. Can it be maintained? So, you know, it's great because 12 00:00:56.359 --> 00:01:00.399 as we near you know, twenty twenty four, the very first month, 13 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:06.400 which is you know, of the year, they're just important themed NBA. 14 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:10.359 You know, matchups that are taking place that is gonna really kind of spark 15 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:15.920 up, you know, the momentum going into NBA All Star weekend and stuff. 16 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:19.239 So it's just really an exciting time if you're someone who's watching. You 17 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:23.000 know, the NBA, you know, become the premier sports so to speak, 18 00:01:23.480 --> 00:01:25.920 as we get towards the end of the year, and who none better 19 00:01:25.959 --> 00:01:30.359 to continue to talk about it and and roll with the greatest of the greats. 20 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:34.040 Man, my man, mister Warrenshaw repping out of Fort Laydaville, Florida. 21 00:01:34.519 --> 00:01:38.079 What's good, brother, You got the Christmas tree ready to go. 22 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:41.680 You got the presence of the NBA underneath the tree. You know what I'm 23 00:01:41.680 --> 00:01:46.400 saying. Where's the missiletoe? Well, no tree is up yet. I'm 24 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:49.719 a little slow to the to the draw here, but my wife definitely has 25 00:01:49.719 --> 00:01:53.359 started to decorate. We do have some lights up on our palms out here 26 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:57.480 in sunny South Florida. I mean some fake or full gifts outside of the 27 00:01:57.519 --> 00:02:01.319 door. So the tree is I'm sure come hopefully, i'd assume probably by 28 00:02:01.319 --> 00:02:04.640 next week and here as we're recording, man, But yeah, the Christmas 29 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:07.080 spread is always a fun time in the NBA, giving us a little in 30 00:02:07.199 --> 00:02:10.199 season turn them in here to get the holiday season kicked off. And as 31 00:02:10.199 --> 00:02:13.360 you alluded to, Christmas Day Games, you know, a couple of short 32 00:02:13.360 --> 00:02:15.759 weeks after that. Yeah, I'm I think one of the things I was 33 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:20.080 thinking about this is like, what are the kind of you know, themes 34 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:24.520 topics we probably want to have as we get a little bit closer to the 35 00:02:24.520 --> 00:02:29.280 holiday season, because I know we typically do like maybe a preview or you 36 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:31.919 know, an overview of the of the Christmas Day Games, But I think 37 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:35.719 we may have to do an episode of things that we want to be thankful 38 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:39.240 for for twenty twenty four with the NBA, right, Like things that we're 39 00:02:39.319 --> 00:02:44.400 on our wishless so to speak, Like when Santa comes down that tree, 40 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:46.439 what is he dropping for us? You know, say that's going to give 41 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:52.919 us the good feels for the NBA moving forward for the remainder of the season. 42 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:55.199 You know, Yeah, I like that idea, man, anything we 43 00:02:55.240 --> 00:02:59.520 can continue to keep it fresh for our friends and our fans and listeners out 44 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:02.560 there. Man, definitely definitely about that. So any episode topics, We're 45 00:03:02.560 --> 00:03:07.039 definitely gonna take that into consideration. So as always, Man, you are 46 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:09.439 the creator of great ideas here on the baseline, So when we put that 47 00:03:09.479 --> 00:03:13.000 into your practice here in a couple of weeks, speaking of fresh right. 48 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:16.199 I know that it's been a little while. We've had it stored away for 49 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:21.080 for for quite some time, but we felt it only necessary. We talked 50 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:23.599 about this in last week's episode that we felt it the need for us to 51 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:28.879 bring back one of our coveted segments. You know what I'm saying, talk 52 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:32.120 ish or Abandoned Ship. Shout out to our man bust the rhymes and the 53 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:38.840 whole flipmo fam. You know what I'm saying for inspiring uh this this uh, 54 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:43.680 this well thought out and very clever segment of ours, talk ish or 55 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:47.240 Abandoned Ship. I'm excited for us to have that conversation again as man. 56 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:50.120 Hey, you talked about it, you talked it up, so I was 57 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:53.560 like, it's about time to put that into rotation here because yeah, album 58 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:58.479 album came out too, right, Like you did you see his new video 59 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:01.479 that he that I dropped. Yeah, Bussing has a whole new album, 60 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:05.840 bus As. It's going on tour as well too, so I'm pretty excited. 61 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:10.400 I've heard a couple of tracks from that as ready, and it's vintage 62 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:12.560 yo. You know bus Its still out here. It's did a great job 63 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:15.439 I think mixing in New school and old school, you know, with especially 64 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:17.560 with the features that he has out there. So if anyway, we're a 65 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:19.839 basketball show, but you know we love hip hop here man, but definitely 66 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:23.560 all check out that new Bustle album. Man pretty tight. Absolutely, So 67 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:27.319 you know this week's show, we're gonna do a little talk ISSU or abandoned 68 00:04:27.319 --> 00:04:30.399 ship. But basically, you know what we what we do is we kind 69 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:35.480 of revisit some of the the thoughts that we presented during the uh you know, 70 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:40.959 preseason or before the season began, in the off season, our predictions 71 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:43.720 and whether or not you know, we still think that you know, we 72 00:04:43.720 --> 00:04:46.279 should be talking about you know, staying on that or it's time for us 73 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:49.560 to abandon ship on that on on that thought that we had back you know 74 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:53.600 what I'm saying during the off season. So it's a really good episode something 75 00:04:53.600 --> 00:04:56.079 to kind of you know, put us in keep us in checks, so 76 00:04:56.160 --> 00:04:59.079 to speak, whether or not we're really holding true you know what I'm saying 77 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:03.240 to our predictiontions or you know, our our our commentary about what we think 78 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:06.759 is going on with certain players or teams, you know, as they're stated, 79 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:10.199 you know what I'm saying. So I always find it to be fun 80 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:12.639 as well too, because you know, Seaw likes to hold me in checking 81 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:15.360 at times. I tend to forget stuff that out and said two three months 82 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:19.959 ago. But you know, tape don't lie. There's a lot going on 83 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:24.160 for both of us brothers, so you know, and we forget what we 84 00:05:24.199 --> 00:05:27.040 said. This is why we we do here. If this wasn't if this 85 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:30.600 wasn't podcast, and man, we be politicians right about now. So you 86 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:33.360 know what I'm saying. But I don't want to get George Santos out of 87 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:38.560 the I don't want to get George Santos out of the out of the Out 88 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:40.959 of the Basketball podcast, and so you know you got to keep me in 89 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:43.839 check, bro, please, you know I don't I don't want to be 90 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:51.319 Senator to Davis from the wire, so I'll keep everything anyway. A great 91 00:05:51.319 --> 00:05:55.000 episode, so you definitely want to tap in as always, Get at my 92 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:58.040 man Sports, NBA, get at me, Game Faced, lead the show, 93 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:00.120 Twitter, hand at NBA Baseline. 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Like that, don't even with your niggas abandon ship 102 00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:53.120 clickas nickas all right, seaw, so let's get right into it, man, 103 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:58.160 Let's do a little talk ish or abandoned ship man and uh again, 104 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:00.040 excited for us to be able to do this because it's been a minute. 105 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:03.800 So I think the first team that we want to kind of talk about on 106 00:07:03.839 --> 00:07:08.240 whether or not we want to continue to keep talking our ish or abandoning ship, 107 00:07:08.839 --> 00:07:12.639 the Orlando Magic and our prediction of us saying that this was basically a 108 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:15.759 Tier four type of team that while we think this team is going to be 109 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:19.480 that you know, could be moderately improved, We didn't think that the parts 110 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:24.839 because not understanding or we're within We were confident that they were going to be 111 00:07:24.879 --> 00:07:30.480 a team, you know, who could find themselves being playoff contenders So for 112 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:33.759 you, are you on the side of still talking at ish or are you 113 00:07:33.879 --> 00:07:38.600 ready to abandon ship? Yeah, I got an abandoned ship on our original 114 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:41.639 take. I think we had them in a Tier four team out of the 115 00:07:41.680 --> 00:07:45.439 playoffs. You know, hey, they need to make a strong step in 116 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:47.480 the right positive direction. And know you had Steven on the show here in 117 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:50.199 a couple of weeks ago, and you know they said playoffs are kind of 118 00:07:50.199 --> 00:07:53.759 what they expect. But I think you and I rigs a little bit like 119 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:56.560 all right, probably still another year of development, especially with the rest of 120 00:07:56.560 --> 00:07:59.959 the Eastern Conference. But this team knows how to play defense, They believe 121 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:03.079 each other, they are long, they get it done. While people are 122 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:05.399 in and out of the lineup. That doesn't even matter anymore. That used 123 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:09.160 to really be a hindrance to them. They've rolled delineated guys like Jonathan Isaac. 124 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:11.800 Listen, dude, you got to worry about doing much. This is 125 00:08:11.800 --> 00:08:15.639 not your team. And he's coming off the bench. Paulo is definitely taking 126 00:08:15.639 --> 00:08:18.560 a step up here. And I think this magic team credit to you know, 127 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:20.560 Jamal Molesey and what he's got going on there, especially with their ability 128 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:24.639 to play defense. This is a team that's I'm not I'm hesitant to say 129 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:28.920 they're an Eastern Conference contender right as they're second in the East as we record, 130 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:31.440 But to say that they were going to be out of the playoffs seems 131 00:08:31.440 --> 00:08:33.639 a little bit fool hardy. So I'm definitely an a man in the ship 132 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:39.360 there and think they're probably going to be solidly in the playoff chase here above 133 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:41.919 that six line. So there's so many things I think we want to get 134 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:46.000 into, and obviously, you know, we can spend a whole episode talking 135 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:50.559 about the evolution of the Orlando Magic, But the first thing I want to 136 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:54.519 say is, damn they finally got this right right, And I hope us 137 00:08:54.559 --> 00:08:58.320 talking about it is not going to jinx this team and jinx what they could 138 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:03.759 potentially have going on by the end of this season, because I think win 139 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:07.320 loser draw, what you're seeing from this Orlando Magic team is something that can 140 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:11.360 be sustainably successful for them for the next few years, and I think that's 141 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:16.440 what a lot of people are hoping for. But I think that the aggressiveness 142 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:20.120 of how great they are playing collectively as a team, and the turnaround that 143 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:24.480 they're exhibiting, it's hard to ignore that they're going to be, you know, 144 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:28.480 in playoff conversations, shall I mean, I think the question is is 145 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:33.120 are they play in or playoff worthy? And when you look at where they're 146 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:37.159 sitting right now as we just basically pass the quarter mark, you know, 147 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:41.759 of the season, they're in the best position possible to be a legit playoff 148 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:45.960 basketball team. You know what I'm saying. It would ultimately have to come 149 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:50.200 down to them going to some egregious losing streaks before we really begin to start 150 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:52.720 seeing the blemishes and lose that confidence. So I'm definitely going to be abandoning 151 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:56.200 ship on what I said previously. But I think one of the things that 152 00:09:56.320 --> 00:10:01.399 really resonates with me about why it's easy to abandoned ship on what we said 153 00:10:01.399 --> 00:10:05.360 earlier before about this magic team, And one of one part of it was 154 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:09.159 because of Stephen Cameron's assessment, which is great, you know, because I 155 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:11.879 completely agree with him whole hardly about why he felt confident that this Magic team 156 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:16.480 is a good basketball team. It should not be overlooked. But I think 157 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:18.840 the other thing as well too is, you know, we just forgot about 158 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:22.720 Polo Banchero. Wasn't he not rookie of the Year last year. You know 159 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:28.039 what I'm saying, the last couple of years, the oxygen has been taken 160 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:33.480 out of the room and appreciating the emergence of Polo Banchero's gameplay even when he 161 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:37.039 was coming out of Duke, you know what I mean. Like, I 162 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:41.840 think a lot of people wasn't completely keen on whether or not him as a 163 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:45.480 player could be as this good as what we're seeing of him. And it's 164 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:48.320 only in the second year because everything has been about Victor Wombaniana. You know 165 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:52.720 what I'm saying. Every like everyone just completely leapfrog past what Polo did, 166 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:58.080 and because he's playing on a bad basketball team that they're not seeing the complete 167 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:01.279 package. And the other thing as well, too, is we get caught 168 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:03.480 up in the aesthetics. I think a lot of people get caught up on 169 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:05.759 the look of what an NBA player is supposed to be and he has to 170 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:11.519 have these unicorn like, you know, measurements like you know Porzingis or wehen 171 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:16.919 Banyana in order for us to instantly appreciate the level of greatness that a player 172 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:20.960 can ascend to. And there's only two moments that I can app that I 173 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:24.519 can think about when I say a guy like Paolo Boncherro, for us to 174 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:28.480 say, this guy's gonna probably be like, you know, all NBA in 175 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:31.600 a year or two. He's definitely gonna be an All Star you know this 176 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:35.639 season, no question. But this guy's gonna essentially assent to a superstar status 177 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:39.039 where we're saying, if the Land of Magic eventually want to be contenders, 178 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:41.639 it's gonna be through him. Right. You look at Paulo Bonchero. He 179 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:46.159 reminds me a lot like Jason Tatum, because the question marks about Jason Tatum 180 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:48.159 is, oh, you know, he's a great score, can he be 181 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:54.080 a great NBA player? And it's almost like we overlooked everything that that the 182 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:58.080 Jason Tatum package was bringing because we weren't as confident and believing in that because 183 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:01.320 we're still looking for the next best thing. So what I'm seeing from him 184 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:05.440 and what I'm seeing from the Magic collectively kind of really helps accentuate the point 185 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:09.720 that it's easy to abandon ship saying that this team, you know, is 186 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:11.399 still a year away from you know, getting to a point where we have 187 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:15.960 confidence and I have confidence in this now because with the start that they've gotten, 188 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:20.159 it really is going to take some bad, bad, bad streaks before 189 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:24.679 we actually start counting them out of being in the playoff picture. Yeah, 190 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:26.759 I mean, so I'll close it on this. You know, they're in 191 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:30.600 the middle of a nine out of ten, right They had a nine game 192 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:33.159 winning streaks just snapped over the course of the weekend as we're recording against Brooklyn, 193 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:37.480 rough showing in the Brooklyn game, you know, Cal Bridges came out 194 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:39.360 there and just kind of lit them up. But at the end of the 195 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:41.480 day, this is a competent basketball team to getting great basketball player from Jillen 196 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:46.159 Suggs here seems more confident in what he's been doing and there on the floor 197 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:50.639 been competent from the three point line I think more specifically, and they still 198 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:52.720 get Marco Foltz and and Wendell Carter Junior to come back at some point. 199 00:12:52.840 --> 00:12:56.559 So to me, I wouldnt even say his reinforcements. It's just kind of, 200 00:12:56.759 --> 00:13:00.360 hey, they have more more studs kind of coming on the way that 201 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:03.440 fit into their system and in It's an amazing situation thing for what Mosley has 202 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:07.000 been able to do this part of the season. And it would take, 203 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:09.240 like you said, losing shrieks or multiple to kind of knock them out from 204 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:11.600 where they at right now. They just need to keep up this level of 205 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:16.399 confidence and this level of defense, and I think they're gonna be right there, 206 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:18.720 you know, in that five six range list. I still don't think 207 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:20.879 there are a top two or three team in the Ustern conference on all it 208 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:22.279 said and done. But there's nothing to sneedz that if they you know, 209 00:13:22.360 --> 00:13:26.679 drop down the five or six here and to stay in above above that planet 210 00:13:26.679 --> 00:13:30.720 line. Absolutely all right, sew. So let's go ahead and talk about 211 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:35.840 the next team on our talk issu or abandoned ship docket, and that's going 212 00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:39.240 to be the Cleveland Cavaliers who we had predicted them or put them in a 213 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:45.080 tier three type space, right, So what is it that you're getting from 214 00:13:45.159 --> 00:13:48.200 them? You know what I'm saying, You still believe that this team still 215 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:52.840 has that Tier three in them? Or are you ready to abandon ship on 216 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:58.960 that sentiment, I'm gonna I'm gonna hesitantly talk my ish and feel like this 217 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:03.559 is a squad that well, we'll get it together. Garland and Donovan Mitchell 218 00:14:03.600 --> 00:14:07.919 have both missed time to start the year. Jared Allen missed time to start 219 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:11.840 the beginning of the year, and I think that just was wonky for them. 220 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:15.960 I feel like this is a team that really should be in that top 221 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:18.600 four or five situation here when all is said and done. I believe in 222 00:14:20.200 --> 00:14:22.960 JB bigger Staff, you know, as a coach, and I think that 223 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:26.600 Cleveland has the ability to play some really solid defense, especially with Mobile leading 224 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:30.759 that front line and Jared Allen back there as well too. I feel like 225 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:35.679 they've addressed the issue to some degree at the small forward. While Max Strust 226 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:39.080 is in an NBA All Star I think he's a very competent basketball player at 227 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:41.759 that three to four position and obviously can space it. So if they do 228 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:45.720 a better job of getting him like good open looks where he's not having to 229 00:14:45.759 --> 00:14:48.480 create and try to do too much, I think they'll be all right at 230 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:52.120 that three position and should be a pretty good basketball team moving forward. But 231 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:54.360 they have shown some signs. They have some ugly losses this year, but 232 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:58.000 I'm going to attribute that to the guys being in and out of the lineup 233 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:01.519 here and hopefully Cleveland Cavaliers can be the topper topper echelon team the US in 234 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:05.960 conference as we predicted. I'm going to continue to talk ish. I might, 235 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:11.799 but I'm gonna be even more shaky on it. Let's let's just say 236 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:16.440 that I'm a quarter of the way on the plank. Okay, I'm a 237 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:18.639 quarter of away on the plank, right Like you know, I understand you 238 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:20.799 want to continue to talk ISH. If you talk ISH, you'd rather be 239 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:26.879 talking is on the actual ship, right, Yeah. I let let's put 240 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:30.200 like this. I got the I got the hold on you doing you're doing 241 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:33.519 to hold me back? I got, I got, I got the life 242 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:35.039 raft hanging over just you know what I'm saying, because you know, just 243 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:39.720 in case, I'm being prepared. Okay, And let me tell you why 244 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:46.000 a couple of reasons. Number one, this team still hasn't figured out how 245 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:50.480 to score the basketball with consistency, which I think is supposed to be really 246 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:54.080 one of the things that stands out when you look at the level of athleticism 247 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:58.480 and and and scoring capabilities that this team can't exhibit they could potentially exhibit, 248 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:03.360 right which Mitchell and boldly and with Garland, and I understand the injuries definitely 249 00:16:03.399 --> 00:16:07.879 can hamper and plagues that, but you would look at their you know, 250 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:12.080 their the points that they're they are gaining and you look at points allowed and 251 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:15.720 there's really like a one point eight to you know, maybe two point differential, 252 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:21.720 right, so and and there Neither of them are like top ten ish 253 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:23.360 right like you know, so they're they're somewhere in the middle, right. 254 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:27.200 So maybe part of that has continued to the early struggles. But I've often 255 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:32.720 said, and I think we've said this numerous times, your possible young son, 256 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:33.600 I don't know where he is now. If he's with you know what 257 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:37.679 I'm saying. If he's now, you've set him up for adoption. Evan 258 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:42.960 Mobley, he to me, is the key. I can clearly recall this 259 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:48.000 because I had a side conversation the other day with the dude who brought up 260 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:49.879 this kid's name. He's like, yeah, man, this dude dropped twenty 261 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:53.039 twenty, you know what I'm saying. Like, and I was sitting here 262 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:55.840 saying, who are you talking about? And at first I was going to 263 00:16:55.879 --> 00:16:59.320 say al from Singoun. I was talking to talk about your boy, right 264 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:03.440 who gets that? And like in his sleep nowadays right with the Houston Rockets. 265 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:07.240 He was talking about Evan Mobley and I was like, oh what even 266 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:11.200 I was shocked Evan Mobley had that kind of performance. But you know what 267 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:15.359 doesn't shock Mishaw is the conversations that we've had that this should be Evan Mobley 268 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:18.160 on a night in, night out basis. I'm not saying he's getting twenty 269 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:21.640 twenty all the time, but I'm just saying he should be giving you far 270 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:26.880 better consistency in his output and production. And to me, he is the 271 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:30.480 X factor to whether or not the Cleveland Cavaliers are going to be a successful 272 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:36.400 basketball team if his output is going to be like Anthony davisish you know, 273 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:38.960 and I'm only saying that because it is the truth, right, there's inconsistencies 274 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:42.880 in Anthony Davis's ability to dominate. You'll get it sometimes and you won't get 275 00:17:42.880 --> 00:17:48.240 it sometimes. Evan Mobley operates in that same space. You'll get it sometimes 276 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:51.440 and in most times you won't get it. If Evan Mobley is not operating 277 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:55.519 in a dominant space in his position, the Cleveland Cavaliers continue to struggle, 278 00:17:55.839 --> 00:17:57.200 right, And we're not saying that they're not going to be good enough to 279 00:17:57.200 --> 00:18:00.240 get into the playoffs. We're just saying they're not gonna be good enough to 280 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:04.759 make us take them seriously about contending when all of the hoop lah was around 281 00:18:04.799 --> 00:18:10.559 them getting down Vin Mitchell to help put them over the top. So unless 282 00:18:10.759 --> 00:18:14.079 JB. Bickerstaff figures out a way to kind of change that, you know, 283 00:18:14.359 --> 00:18:17.640 navigate through that or you know, maybe change the dynamic of how they 284 00:18:17.720 --> 00:18:21.599 score that basketball or you know who they're you know who that ball goes through 285 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:23.759 in order for them to get to that status, I'm gonna always hang on 286 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:27.440 the idea that part of the reason why we're gonna never take the Cleveland Cavaliers 287 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:32.960 seriously is because I don't know if we can take Evan Mobley seriously and and 288 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:37.039 the parts around that team, if it's gonna come together in a way for 289 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:40.160 them to be the type of contenders that we think that they're going to be. 290 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:44.079 Even if they they fall into the Tier three, like not dominate to 291 00:18:44.079 --> 00:18:47.039 get to the Tier three they fall into it, we're gonna always say, 292 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:48.519 well, they're gonna be knocked out in the first round. Maybe they'll get 293 00:18:48.519 --> 00:18:52.559 to the semi final round, but we'll never feel confident about them getting to 294 00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:56.880 an Eastern Conference championship unless all of their players, Garland, Mitchell, and 295 00:18:57.000 --> 00:19:00.880 Mobley are clicking on all cylinders. Well, I said in the beginning of 296 00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:03.799 the year, I think Mobley needed to be at a twenty point per game 297 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:07.599 clip. Garland could step down from that and maybe even up as assist. 298 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:14.359 But again they've missed five games to begin the season. Garland did and as 299 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:18.160 did Mitchell, so I think again it's continuity that needs to be situated here. 300 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:22.200 I am going to stand on and continue to talk about Garland being the 301 00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:25.960 guy that needs to step back to allow Mobley to progress, I think offensively. 302 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:30.079 But at the same time, as you're alluding to MOBLEI has to want 303 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:33.519 it. JB. Brickerstuff has to put him into positions and essence to be 304 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:37.440 successful as well. But I think between all of those factors that has to 305 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:41.839 click in a way that allows him to be successful. So he has to 306 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:44.920 want it, be put in a position in essence to get there as well 307 00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:48.319 too, and that somewhat is going to be at the behest if you will 308 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:51.039 U. JB. Bickerstap and even dere As Garland when they're on the floor 309 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:53.960 together. Absolutely your tune to the baseline. Calie Warnshaw discussing the hot button 310 00:19:55.000 --> 00:20:00.359 topics of the NBA, and this is our talk ish or abandoned Ship episode 311 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:07.079 where we're basically revisiting some of our predictions and analysis earlier this year and seeing 312 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:11.920 how whether or not they're coming to fruition if we can continue to keep talking 313 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:14.039 at issue, or it's time for us to you know, saying, walk 314 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:17.960 that plank and get off the boat with them. All right, y'all, 315 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:21.680 let's talk about the Houston Rockets. Right this is a Houston Rockets team that 316 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:26.279 has surprised a lot of people. They're playing basically five hundred basketball like right 317 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:29.240 now as they're recording their game under five hundred. But I don't think anybody 318 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:33.880 anticipated them to be as competitive as they have been already the early outset of 319 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:37.200 this season and in the gauntlet of the Western Conference, we really thought that 320 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:41.319 they were going to be, you know, the whipping boy for you know, 321 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:44.039 for most of the top tier teams. But they have been holding their 322 00:20:44.079 --> 00:20:48.559 own. So do we still consider them a Tier five type type basketball team 323 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:52.759 Shaw or are we looking at them as a team to take seriously and we 324 00:20:52.839 --> 00:20:57.319 abandon ship on that earlier prediction. See, I mean, I'm going to 325 00:20:57.359 --> 00:21:02.119 qualify I'm gonna take them seriously, but not in the essence of like, 326 00:21:02.680 --> 00:21:07.160 you know, they're jumping into a home court advantage in the Western Conference on 327 00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:11.839 charted warders, right, So this is a basketball team that's better than expected, 328 00:21:12.279 --> 00:21:17.960 but there's still some struggling and very concerning things that are happening. As 329 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:21.519 we record just a game under five hundred, but they have lost every single 330 00:21:21.559 --> 00:21:25.160 game on the road. So they are eight and nine and they are are 331 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:30.839 zero to eight on the road. That's not good basketball. Despite the discipline 332 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:33.920 that the Ydoka has put into place, they are one of the top defensive 333 00:21:33.920 --> 00:21:37.799 teams in the league, which we kind of expected them to take a leap, 334 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:41.200 but maybe not to this level at this at this great of depth, 335 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:45.240 this fast. So those are things that they can absolutely continue to build on. 336 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:48.240 I think Jillen Green is still struggling to find his role within this offense. 337 00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:52.640 We haven't seen the level of consistency there, but that's because Shanggun has 338 00:21:52.680 --> 00:21:56.680 been so dominant and so good kind of controlling that offense. As I can 339 00:21:56.680 --> 00:22:00.039 continue to say as the great value brand of Yokich, Dylan Brooks has been 340 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:03.960 really good from the three point line for the most part, and there's a 341 00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:07.559 lot of great habits there. So I think if Jalen Green specifically can give 342 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:14.079 them some level of consistency offensively, they get Torresan back and he plays healthy, 343 00:22:14.119 --> 00:22:15.759 and guys like that, then this is a team that can get out 344 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:18.720 of that Tier five where we have the where they be absolutely no shot, 345 00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:22.680 when they can actually you know, make some noise and maybe maybe maybe fight 346 00:22:22.720 --> 00:22:26.079 for a play in here too. So I'm definitely gonna abandon ship from our 347 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:30.960 earlier prediction that they would have been competing for a number one draft pick this 348 00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:33.799 year, because I think they're a lot better than that, as they've shown 349 00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:37.000 here this season. Yeah, I'm going to abandon ship on the belief of 350 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:40.400 them being a Tier five basketball team, But I'm gonna still continue to talk 351 00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:45.440 some ish about the dynamic of this team a little bit because I'm still I'm 352 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:51.640 still curious and still waiting to see what this team really could potentially look like. 353 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:55.319 And the reason why I say that is because you know how the makeup 354 00:22:55.400 --> 00:23:00.480 or the identity of some teams can be seen through who you draft, It 355 00:23:00.519 --> 00:23:03.119 could be seen through who you acquire through free agency. You know there's a 356 00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:08.720 this makeup of this team is a very unusual team. I think about the 357 00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:18.240 movie like the Losers or the unusual suspects, right where you take a band 358 00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:22.359 of mishaps, outcasts, you throw them all together and you basically say, 359 00:23:22.359 --> 00:23:26.640 what do we got to Like the Replacements, you take a band of mishaps 360 00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:29.119 and you say, you put them all together and they have like this one 361 00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:33.039 magical season that opens up everyone's eyes. But then you know, to the 362 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:36.279 real people who kind of really look at the makeup of this team, the 363 00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:38.200 dynamic of this team, and what's driving them, and what's motivating them, 364 00:23:38.200 --> 00:23:42.359 and what is it sustainable through the course of you know, the next couple 365 00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:48.279 of seasons, and I would be interested to see whether or not what they're 366 00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:53.119 doing is sustainable and is it sustainable in that Western Conference? Clearly it's not. 367 00:23:53.519 --> 00:23:56.680 I was gonna push back on you on the on the settiment shaw about 368 00:23:56.720 --> 00:23:59.519 you know, when you look at this team, this team can't win on 369 00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:02.519 the road. Here's the funny part. You look at the Golden State Warriors. 370 00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:04.519 This is a team right like that that likes to play on the road 371 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:07.920 now, but can't freaking win at home. You know what I'm saying, 372 00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:11.119 Like you look at their home and road record, it's just ridiculous and last 373 00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:15.319 year this was the Warriors were a team that could not win on the road 374 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:18.400 for crap, you know what I'm saying. But they were most dominant at 375 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:21.000 home. So it's kind of funny how this all plays out. I'm sure 376 00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:25.200 that the games and their scheduling will kind of level that off a little bit. 377 00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:27.279 But you know, I just look at the team in and of itself, 378 00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:32.119 and while they are showing you better defensive effort, which I think that's 379 00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:34.319 the question here, Like what you were getting from the previous iterations of the 380 00:24:34.359 --> 00:24:41.319 Houston Rockets team is just effortless defensive basketball. And clearly Udoka has implemented and 381 00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:45.640 put more onus on those guys, holding more accountability that they should be better 382 00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:48.759 effort being played on the defensive side. But you can clearly see they're struggling 383 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:52.799 to score that basketball, and part of it is because a lot of those 384 00:24:52.799 --> 00:25:00.039 guys now are playing on this roster. You can see where their liability to 385 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:03.319 shoot the three, their reliability to hit mid range jump shots, some of 386 00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:07.960 it can be clearly compromised. To me, you have the only one dominant 387 00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:12.039 presence in Alfred Sangoun, who's showing you that he can be a matchup problem 388 00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:15.000 to the opposition, you know what I'm saying, and can be a go 389 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:18.400 to guy in certain respects, but he's still learning how to play this game. 390 00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:22.079 He's still learning to evolve. So all of it is going to have 391 00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:23.359 to come together, and it's going to be interesting to see if you caund 392 00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:27.920 Doka make can can make that happen within that very first season like he did 393 00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:33.039 with the Boston Celtics. And I think again right now, what fifth in 394 00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:37.240 defensive rating, so on immediate impact, I think on that side, but 395 00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:41.400 the offense has got to come around and be more consistent. I think ven 396 00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:45.480 Vlik can obviously shoot it a little bit better right now shooting four percent, 397 00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:48.759 but we know his percentages have been down even from the Toronto days, So 398 00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:52.559 Lea's got to figure out a way to get more efficient and better shots to 399 00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:55.519 get that shot to fall a little bit more often. Jabari Smith has played 400 00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:59.079 pretty well here in this season, so I don't think there's anything this needs 401 00:25:59.119 --> 00:26:02.839 out there too. It really stems from hand jealing. Green and Van Bleet 402 00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:07.279 give them better offensive efficiency offensively, and that'll help Shangoon even more. And 403 00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:11.440 even with that going on, Shangoon still almost averaging six assists, so you 404 00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:14.880 know, and those are gonna be the guys he's primarily passing to n Jabbari 405 00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:18.279 and the Dylan Brooks out for cutting and then Tory Easton as well too as 406 00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:21.200 he works his way back, you know, from injury. I really like 407 00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:23.359 this Rockets team. They still need a men Thompson to get back at well 408 00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:26.200 at some point too, you know, their young rookie. Uh and I 409 00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:30.559 think there's a possibility for this team to to hover around five hundred as you 410 00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:33.400 are here now, which would put them all above the tier that we originally 411 00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:36.400 put them in, and like I said, can have them fighting for a 412 00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:38.720 play and spot. And I think that'd be a huge step forward for this 413 00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:42.440 Rockets team has lacked a lot of discipline and a lot of just you know, 414 00:26:42.519 --> 00:26:47.039 real professionalism in the years previous to this. So and I will continue 415 00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:49.799 our conversation and then kind of prove a little bit more in our segment of 416 00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:56.319 Talk issu or Abandoned Ish So don't go away, We are back Cali Warrants 417 00:26:56.319 --> 00:27:00.359 Shaw Baseline NBA Podcasts and our segment of Talk Issue or Abandoned Shipshaw as we 418 00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:06.079 continue to keep it moving. So let's talk about this Dallas Mavericks, right 419 00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:11.240 man. Like I mentioned before, about the dynamic of this team and what's 420 00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:14.920 happened. And to me, I'm I'm completely flummoxed, Like I have no 421 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:18.200 idea what, you know, maybe we said something I don't want to Yeah, 422 00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:19.119 I don't want to be tooting on horned, you know what I'm saying. 423 00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:22.480 I would hate to think that they were motivated by our you know, 424 00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:27.000 double speak. But uh, the Dallas Mavericks, man, I've obviously shocked 425 00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:30.279 a lot of people as being one of the top tier teams in the Western 426 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:33.079 Conference. At the early outset of the season, we had them predicted as 427 00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:37.440 a Tier four team. Shaw talk ish or abandon ship on the Dallas Mavericks 428 00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:44.359 talking ish man. Listen, Luca came out the gate, John Blaize, 429 00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:48.200 you know, man on fire, the whole nine h shout out to him. 430 00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:51.640 Just had his first child. I mean, he's still hooping. But 431 00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:55.920 they still have some levels of inconsistency, you know, defensively while they're eighth 432 00:27:55.960 --> 00:28:00.200 in offense or twenty second in defense. And I just still think this fight 433 00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:03.279 the hot start and things have looked a little better than I would have expected. 434 00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:06.359 I still think this is a team that is at the play in line. 435 00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:08.720 So right now they're six in the Western Conference, which isn't mad, 436 00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:11.559 you know, eleven and eight. There's some other teams in the West that 437 00:28:12.039 --> 00:28:15.839 probably should be better they than they've shown thus far. And I think if 438 00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:19.680 those teams start to get better, that probably pushes Dallas is down back to 439 00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:23.240 where we originally had them. So I don't think this is a bad basketball 440 00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:26.240 team. I just think there are teams that are better overall in the Western 441 00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:30.640 Conference and they probably haven't shown those shops just yet. With the exception of 442 00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:33.319 Memphis, who we spoke about last week, and you know, no reason 443 00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:37.519 even to bring them up here in terms of the talkie short bandonship conversation. 444 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:41.440 So everybody else to Golden State, the Lakers, et cetera, all those 445 00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:45.599 teams could probably better. They've shown we should make it tougher for Dallas to 446 00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:48.799 stay in that succeeed that they ask at they're currently in right now. Yeah, 447 00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:52.119 So I'm gonna act. I'm gonna make like our you know, our 448 00:28:52.680 --> 00:29:00.279 partnership with Bluevoo Footwear, and I'm I'm gonna step lightly on my sustainable thought 449 00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:03.160 about the Tier four with the Dallas Mavericks. I am going to agree with 450 00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:07.799 you on this sediment, Shaw that I think because of the struggles for most 451 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:14.640 teams in the Western Conference, it has helped the Dallas Mavericks get elevated to 452 00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:18.119 a degree where we should take them seriously. But I think the makeup of 453 00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:22.200 this team and through the long haul of the course of this NBA season, 454 00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:26.599 I think this is a team who will show susceptibility and fall back into place. 455 00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:32.279 Now with that being said, I think the greater question is is is 456 00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:37.000 this the year that we actually take to Luka Doncic seriously for MVP consideration? 457 00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:42.160 And I think that question will be answered when we see another stretch of games 458 00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:47.079 where Luka donca just shows the type of dominance that he showed in the early 459 00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:49.799 outset of this season, because you can clearly tell that when he's playing at 460 00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:55.119 that level, the Dallas Mavericks can clearly be a better basketball team. With 461 00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:59.759 that being said, the Dallas Mavericks have to be a better basketball team if 462 00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:03.680 there is is any hope for them to be a player in playing let alone 463 00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:07.640 be a playoff basketball team. Right So, and it's hard to say whether 464 00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:11.079 or not doncach Is at that level because we said that that's probably what's going 465 00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:14.559 to need to happen for Jokic. We said that that's probably what's going to 466 00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:17.720 need to happen for MB You know what I'm saying that like, it's not 467 00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:22.720 just doing it for six seven games and then falling off the face of the 468 00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:26.400 earth for another twenty and then coming back and then showing the level of MVP 469 00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:29.480 dominance that you're capable of. It's being able to do it sustainably through the 470 00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:32.680 course of an NBA season where they'll take you seriously. So to me, 471 00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:36.519 I agree with you. I'm not going to abandon ship on our sediment about 472 00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:41.039 where we see the Dallas Mavericks. But the only reason why I feel like 473 00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:45.880 that is because they are better teams who I think will figure this thing out, 474 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:48.559 and from a talent perspective, we still have not seen the rest of 475 00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:53.240 the roster show that they're going to be able to compete on that level through 476 00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:57.079 the course of an eighty two game season where you look at the record by 477 00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:00.920 season's end and say, the Dallas Mavericks are among the best teams you know 478 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:04.480 in the in the Western Conference. I just don't see that, you know. 479 00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:07.880 But I will see stretches where they look like a really really good basketball 480 00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:12.039 team and they'll compete. But then you'll see stretches like you know, where 481 00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:15.559 they'll be down like they were the other night against the oak I'm sorry, 482 00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:18.559 the Yeah, the Oklahoma City Thunder and they had to go on a thirty 483 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:22.759 and oh run and still take that l You come back from a thirty zero 484 00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:26.480 deficit, you win that basketball game. But this is what happens when you 485 00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:33.359 don't compete and you have to struggle so mightily and rely on your MVP player 486 00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:37.200 to walk to get you through that that line. If he has nothing left 487 00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:38.400 in the tank, someone else has got to step up and do that. 488 00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:44.160 And you're just not seeing that collectively happen with this team. So you know, 489 00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:45.559 this is a Mavericks team. Shaw that I You know again, you 490 00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:51.319 can see glimpses of goodness, but it's hard pressed to tell me you're gonna 491 00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:53.200 see glimpses of greatness by the time we get to the end of the season. 492 00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:57.039 Well, interesting, in that thirty Oho run, there's a Carrier bring 493 00:31:57.079 --> 00:32:00.039 joke to be made because he was unavailable for that game. So I think 494 00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:05.160 if you're looking for that aspect of having you know, his secondary running mate, 495 00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:07.279 that should be Kyrie. He's played fifteen games this year, so he 496 00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:10.240 hasn't missed a large part of the season. But at the end of the 497 00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:14.200 day, ironically, and they get down by twenty six or whatever it was, 498 00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:16.160 to okay, see you have to go in a thirty thirty old run 499 00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:20.119 only to lose that game still by six and then in the closing minutes. 500 00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:22.599 I think it's rough. It takes a lot out of you. But had 501 00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:24.519 he had a guy like Kyrie, maybe they're maybe they're not down twenty six 502 00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:27.880 to begin with, or if they go on that thirty zero run, you 503 00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:30.079 have somebody else who can take some pressure off of that. So that's something 504 00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:32.920 to continue to watch. I think when it comes to Dallas Mavericks, you 505 00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:37.920 know, will that dynamic ultimately play itself out to be fruitful for Luca and 506 00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:39.920 Kyrie and Tim Harneway. Right now, you know, leading the leading the 507 00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:43.319 league and bench scoring, so probably the front runner, if you will, 508 00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:45.799 for six Men of the year because he'scoring the most points off the bench. 509 00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:49.279 If he can continue in that in that space, then Dallas will have a 510 00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:52.160 better season, I think than you and I predicted, but I still feel 511 00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:53.960 they're going to regress here a little bit to the mean because their defense isn't 512 00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:58.559 up to snuff in any capacity to my liking. And I think there's still 513 00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:01.519 some levels of offense here now that we've seen that have maybe been a little 514 00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:06.039 bit a little bit more to their liking. And I don't know if they'll 515 00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:07.599 be able to keep up that level of consistency as that they've shown here. 516 00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:12.880 But lucas great and we'll be in the MVP conversation, but they need Kyrie 517 00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:15.519 to kind of be that running mate here to kind of keep things even at 518 00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:17.279 status COO as they are currently. Real quick question for you Shaw, you 519 00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:22.119 have more confidence that New Orleans Pelicans will have a better record by seasons and 520 00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:27.480 than the Dallas Mavericks and the Repelicans have this have have the same issue, 521 00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:30.839 but only to a larger degree. Can can their core stay healthy? Ingram 522 00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:36.839 McCallum zion, even Valentiunists, Valentiunis has been healthy, but they need all 523 00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:42.079 those guys and to me, there's more variables there that make it harder. 524 00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:45.839 But New Orleans is this weird team that can beat anybody or lose anybody, 525 00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:49.559 So that makes me nervous for the Pelicans, And uh, you know what, 526 00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:52.720 I would probably downgrade them had I had the confidence even put them in 527 00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:55.200 this list here, So I probably would be an abandoned ship on my level 528 00:33:55.240 --> 00:34:00.319 of confidence on the Pelicans. Impromptu talk issue abandoned ship because I don't know 529 00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:05.559 I whether or not we actually had Zion Williamson in a conversation of saying Zion 530 00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:12.000 Williamson will ever win an MVP at some point through his NBA career. But 531 00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:15.440 I'm gonna put you on the spot real quick, Shaw, would you talk 532 00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:20.880 ish or abandoned ship on the idea that Zion Williamson will win an NBA MVP 533 00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:22.800 award. I don't even feel like I'm putting on the spot. I would 534 00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:29.480 abandon ship on that all day. There's there's no there's nothing about what we've 535 00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:32.320 seen thus far. Yes, he's had won the one dominant season, but 536 00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:36.519 do we ever think he's actually gonna play sixty five full games? And with 537 00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:38.800 the comments he made earlier in the year when they were really struggling in terms 538 00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:42.760 of trying to get on board and trying to figure it out, and those 539 00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:45.119 types of things concerned me and not say that he can't figure it out. 540 00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:49.519 But if you're asking me right here today, in December, in the year 541 00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:52.559 of twenty twenty three, that's that's a that's a hell no, I don't 542 00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:57.559 think he's an MVP candidate in waiting. Isn't it amazing that during this time 543 00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:00.719 span we don't hear people talking right the same people, people that were bigging 544 00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:04.079 him up, you know, Shack, all of these cats talking about, 545 00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:06.840 Oh, you know, he's the next guy in the line, he's gonna 546 00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:08.199 you know, we don't hear him talking like that. You know what I'm 547 00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:12.719 saying. They'll get to a point where they'll talk talk about him and what 548 00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:16.039 he's not doing, but they'll not acknowledge the fact that they had already had 549 00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:22.280 this dude de sended to be winning MVP titles, and what we kept saying, 550 00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:25.400 just wait, just wait. You know what I'm saying. I mean, 551 00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:29.360 it's this guy. He can be dominant, but it doesn't mean that 552 00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:32.320 he can be MVP level, and it doesn't mean that he can't be capable 553 00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:36.320 of it. But I just don't see someone I just don't see it in 554 00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:38.400 him where he's gonna go out there, and he's gonna be your MVP kind 555 00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:43.719 of guy. He's a guy you compliment with, you pair him with someone, 556 00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:46.719 maybe an MVP like kind of player, to allow him to be dominant. 557 00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:50.199 But he is not that. He is not that dude. Man, 558 00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:52.280 He's not And I'm not saying to be disrespectful, but I think it highlights 559 00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:57.000 what we're talking about. I have more confidence that Lukadankic will win an mv 560 00:35:57.280 --> 00:36:01.119 in an NBA MVP Trophy before Zion Williamson. Yeah, the odds makers on 561 00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:02.880 that. I know they would not have to work very hard, so you 562 00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:06.960 probably have to wager a whole lot to even gain money on it. On 563 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:09.440 that specific bet. The Pelicans are definitely going to be a team that's the 564 00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:14.639 sum of their parts, and while Zion will be a straw if you will, 565 00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:17.400 that serves that proverbial drink. I just I agree where I don't think 566 00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:22.760 he's the lead guys. It's the combination, the cullumination of all the guys 567 00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:25.360 there that can make the Pelicans successful, especially with him being healthy and playing 568 00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:30.000 well. But I don't think that he's in an MVP stage right now, 569 00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:32.039 and I think we have a long long way to go before we get there. 570 00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:35.400 That doesn't mean he won't have a great career, doesn't mean he won't 571 00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:37.840 even be at all NBA and All Stars, etc. Etc. But you 572 00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:43.840 think about MVP, that's a very very special designation and we're just a long 573 00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:45.920 ways away from that right now. Absolutely all right, Shaw, final talk 574 00:36:46.039 --> 00:36:52.199 ish or abandoned ship? The team edition of the segment Los Angeles Lakers. 575 00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:55.719 We had them pegged as being a Tier one team. Are you continuing to 576 00:36:55.719 --> 00:36:59.559 talk that, ish or are you ready to abandon ship on the Los Angeles 577 00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:02.280 Lakers being one of the top teams in the Western Conference. Let me be 578 00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:07.320 very clear, I'm gone, I'm out of here road runner style. You 579 00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:09.280 mean you were already you were already loosening the rope on the on the on 580 00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:12.920 the life raft that I had set up earlier. Is that what you were 581 00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:15.320 doing? It is damn bro. You could have given me a heads up. 582 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:16.320 It's not like I didn't want to jump on that boat with you. 583 00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:23.000 Listen. I I definitely drank the kool aid of what they had going into 584 00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:27.159 the season, and they will tell you, and they're not wrong. They've 585 00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:30.880 had a lot of injuries as well. Kay, Vincent Hotchimoor, etcetera, 586 00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:32.880 etcetera. Guys haven't they haven't had their full compliment. I think the Angel 587 00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:37.639 Russell has been really good for them. Austin Reeves has not taken the leap. 588 00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:38.800 I need abandon ship on that too. I think he's been good, 589 00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:42.960 but I don't think he's been next level. And now he's coming off the 590 00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:46.960 bench because things weren't going. But first five games you heard of Lakers, 591 00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:51.639 Lakers faithful talking about oh no, we need a third star, and I 592 00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:55.800 thought we abandoned that that concept itself. So to hear them saying now that 593 00:37:55.880 --> 00:38:00.000 they felt like, oh well, they need to get into the zach Lavine 594 00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:06.280 conversation or the Derosan conversation or whoever's available conversation to paralongside you know, a 595 00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:09.920 D and Lebron here. Now that's just it's it's indicative of a team that 596 00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:14.400 doesn't have the same level of confidence that and swagger that it did coming into 597 00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:17.000 the season, where everybody, including ourselves here, I thought they were number 598 00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:22.840 one or in the conversation for the Western Conference title. And they can shift 599 00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:24.519 things and make things happen, and no Plinka is known to tinker. I 600 00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:28.360 think, as we've seen here in the short time here, but as currently 601 00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:31.599 constructed, this is not a team that I would be confident in talking the 602 00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:35.440 issue about them being at the top of the Western Conference. Yeah, so 603 00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:38.760 I'm abandoning ship and I'm putting that. I'm like I'm setting a ship on 604 00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:43.840 a blaze, Like I'm trying to tell people they need to get up off 605 00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:45.000 this ship. I'm trying to help, you know what I'm saying, Like 606 00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:47.679 the Titanic. I'm trying to direct people, you know what I'm saying, 607 00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:52.119 and tell people you need to get off this ship as soon as possible because 608 00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:54.639 something bad's gonna happen, right, And I think that this is what's going 609 00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:58.599 to take place now. I'm not saying that this is, you know, 610 00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:01.159 a dumpster fire. It hasn't. It's not about that. I think that 611 00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:06.559 this is a team that is going to They'll be relevant, right, they 612 00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:10.679 will be competitive. But I think there's a whole lot of overblown hype about 613 00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:15.639 whether or not this team collectively can come together and really be as good as 614 00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:19.239 what they showed you at the end of last year. And I think that's 615 00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:22.039 kind of you know, rare in his ugly head a little bit first and 616 00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:25.599 foremost the only mistake, and I questioned it, but I you know, 617 00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:30.480 again, you know, I could be either or about it. The fact 618 00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:37.400 that they retained D'Angelo Russell, he to me, just is not the right 619 00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:42.480 point guard for that type of offense. I don't think that he completely is 620 00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:47.199 comfortable in setting up and elevating the pace of play with the talent that the 621 00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:52.840 Lakers have for them to play at the optimal level that is necessary for us 622 00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:54.960 to believe in them being a top tier, top tier team. I'm not 623 00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:59.159 putting the blame on him. What I'm saying is is that it does start 624 00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:01.519 with the head with with the point guard. You know, his way of 625 00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:08.639 playing and his pace of play just doesn't roll with what you normally see from 626 00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:14.480 a team that you have a Lebron James and an Anthony Davis and a Jared 627 00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:16.559 Vanderbilt and a bunch of other these and even with Austin Reeves, I think 628 00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:22.039 Austin Reeves has been the one who's most been compromised by the style of play 629 00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:24.679 that D'Angelo Russell, you know, and his pace and what he does on 630 00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:29.280 the basketball court. With all that being said, it does not absolve and 631 00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:32.559 it does not excuse the fact that this team just clearly struggles and does not 632 00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:37.519 consistently score the basketball at a clip that makes you feel confident that when you 633 00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:42.440 play against the likes of the Phoenix Suns, against the Denver Nuggets, against 634 00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:45.880 the Minnesota Timberwolves, that they're going to be able to keep pace. So 635 00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:47.519 the only other way that they're going to be able to show that they can 636 00:40:47.559 --> 00:40:52.639 beat those teams is that they have to be better defensively, which you're clearly 637 00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:57.079 seeing that they're not, even with Anthony Davis, who Again, the bigger 638 00:40:57.159 --> 00:41:00.800 question mark with Anthony Davis is what version of Anthony Davis do you see coming 639 00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:02.360 out on that basketball court on a night in, night out basis, because 640 00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:06.679 he clearly does not want to be the man for the Lakers. He says 641 00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:08.679 that, and everyone wants to pump him to be that way, but that's 642 00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:12.400 just not how he's built. That's just not his m O, you know 643 00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:15.800 what I'm saying. So you need something else, You need another dominant, 644 00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:22.239 imposing presence outside of Lebron James that will give the team the confidence that they 645 00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:27.760 don't have to rely on Anthony Davis showing up to be Anthony Davis that there 646 00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:30.280 are other players who are going to play at that kind of level to supplement 647 00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:34.480 that. And I think it's going to be hard for Darvin Ham to find 648 00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:36.559 that. It's hard for Polenka to find that, and it's hard for this 649 00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:39.400 Lakers team to kind of see that happen as they go through this gauntlet of 650 00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:44.039 these other styles of teams that they're competing against, in the likes of the 651 00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:47.119 Kings and the Warriors and all of these other teams where they're mismatched, problems 652 00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:52.480 in other phases on the court that they can't account for, and that the 653 00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:55.719 talent is not there susceptibly to be able to hang with that. So that's 654 00:41:55.800 --> 00:42:00.480 the struggle with the Lakers. Are they maybe a two to three tier team? 655 00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:04.760 Yes? Tier one absolutely not. I think all very well said. 656 00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:08.960 So if they make the moves and you know, trade a Austin Reeves and 657 00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:14.239 Brewery for for zach lavine, that gives them some offensive firepower, it would 658 00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:17.400 force other guys to step up because they will lose some depth there. But 659 00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:21.039 we'll we'll see. I don't think this Lers seam is going to stand pack. 660 00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:23.079 There's still three games above five hundred here as we record. But I 661 00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:27.000 just don't think as you alluded to, they're at the top of the Western 662 00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:30.119 Conference in the way that we were expecting them to be. But maybe if 663 00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:31.679 they get their guys back, they'll prove this take wrong here. But right 664 00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:36.280 now we're both abandoned and ship absolutely all right. Coming up, Sean and 665 00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:39.719 I will do a fly through on our talk ish abandoned ship on some of 666 00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:45.360 our individual player predictions and what they've been doing already at the early outside of 667 00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:47.480 the season. So are we going to continue to talk our issue about them 668 00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:51.559 or is it time for us to abandon ship on those on those predictions you 669 00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:57.559 don't want to miss out here on the baseline, We're back Cali Wardshaw Baseline 670 00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:02.679 NBA Podcast as we continue on with talk ish or abandoned shit. But before 671 00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:07.280 we do that, hey, for all of our NBA heads, are you 672 00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:10.679 looking for the ultimate destination for NBA gear, Look no further than the NBA 673 00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:15.320 Store. 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The Boston Celtics are among the best teams. 687 00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:12.800 There have been a few games when Porzingis has missed out due to some injury, 688 00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:16.960 as expected, But the bigger issue is whether or not him accepting to 689 00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:25.360 be that third guy on a team that already has clear offensive firepower. I'm 690 00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:29.920 going to abandon ship on my earlier segment, I think that he is a 691 00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:35.159 great complimentary piece. It'll it'll be hard to say whether or not he is 692 00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:37.360 going to be a key piece that is going to help move this team to 693 00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:43.280 that you know, NBA Finals conversation, get them back into the NBA Finals. 694 00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:45.079 We'll have to see, like what his production is going to look like. 695 00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:50.239 But to say that he can't fit in with what the Celtics need had 696 00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:53.559 wanted and it not bear fruition, I got to eat my words on that. 697 00:44:53.960 --> 00:44:59.039 Good on Brad Stevens on making this deal. I think that he works 698 00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:00.880 well with those guys and will continue to get better at doing it, and 699 00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:05.880 we'll be it'll be interesting to see if whether or not his his output at 700 00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:09.239 that four or five level is one that causes those type of problems that can 701 00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:13.480 help put the Celtics over the top and get past you know, teams like 702 00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:17.480 the Sixers and the Bucks and the and the Heat with ease, and really 703 00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:21.639 it'll only be a question of who they match up with against in the Western 704 00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:24.119 Conference. Yeah, I'm only going to support you in the aspect of, 705 00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:28.320 like, hey, I thought it would potentially work out. I think have 706 00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:30.320 been maybe a little surprised at the way Jaylen Brown has struggled, so I 707 00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:36.400 think his role has been hard for him to accept. I think with Porzingis 708 00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:38.559 being there, so Perzingis in a lot of ways is the third option, 709 00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:43.480 but has functioned almost like a two B. But he's been super efficient, 710 00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:46.599 so I think it's just looking at the shot diet. Perzingis is definitely the 711 00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:51.559 three, but he's putting up comparable numbers points wise to Jaalen, just with 712 00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:53.559 better efficiency. So Jaalen is the one I think who's struggling the most. 713 00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:58.639 But they have a great actually report amongst themselves, Brown and Porzingish, So 714 00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:00.400 when Porzengis gets back out there, I think, you know that will continue 715 00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:06.000 to flourish as the Celtics continue to build that chemistry. But they've used Porzingis 716 00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:08.199 as a lob threat, which I didn't necessary expect coming into this, and 717 00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:12.000 he's been pretty good I think, defensively blocking a lot of shots and some 718 00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:14.239 key blocks here to win a couple of games as well too, So I 719 00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:15.480 think, really good, good job there too, a little better than I 720 00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:19.000 would have expected. So I'm glad to see that you've come around here on 721 00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:22.079 KP on Boston. Yeah, yeah, man, I kind of swerved around 722 00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:24.639 the corner to coming around to that sediment. I will say this though, 723 00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:30.440 an extension to your point and an extension to where I'm coming from why I've 724 00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:34.599 abandoned shipped on my earlier sediment. I don't think this happens if Brad Stevens 725 00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:37.960 doesn't pull the trigger on bringing Drew Holliday onto this roster. And look, 726 00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:43.800 we're not going to be talking about Jew Holiday in any MVP kind of conversation. 727 00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:46.159 He's not going to be in any Most Improved awards. And I don't 728 00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:49.920 know what awards you're gonna say, but I'm gonna tell you as far as 729 00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:55.199 bringing together a really eclectic group of guys in the first year who's impacting a 730 00:46:55.360 --> 00:47:00.320 starting roster like what the Celtics have had to do to overhaul that ross in 731 00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:04.559 some respects, I think that Drew Holliday may wind up winning the MVP Award 732 00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:07.000 like what he's been able to do. I don't think you get this kind 733 00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:12.360 of production from Portzegis unless you have a Drew Holliday. Now, I'm sure 734 00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:14.760 that they were probably leaning on Derek White kind of being that guy. You 735 00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:17.119 see he's getting extensive minutes. I mean, this guy is a Swiss Army 736 00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:20.679 Knife like of the likes I don't think I've seen in quite some time. 737 00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:22.519 I mean, they weren't even using Malcolm Brogden the way that they're using Derek 738 00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:25.800 White, which tells you the confidence that Missoula has in Derek White. But 739 00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:30.800 when you look at the way that this team is playing cohesively, the backcourt 740 00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:36.920 of the Boston Celtics is so essentially important. He makes that team. They 741 00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:39.519 make that team go. Man. They and maybe to some degree that's part 742 00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:44.000 of why Jalen Brown is struggling a little bit. But I'll take that because 743 00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:49.880 I think he will eventually figure it out. But the combination of Drew Holliday 744 00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:55.480 and Derek White cannot be overlooked as far as us seeing the productivity and efficiency 745 00:47:55.519 --> 00:48:02.079 that we're getting from Porzingis and also the quality shots selection and MVP level elevation 746 00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:07.920 I want to say, moderate MVP level elevation of Jason Tatum that we've already 747 00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:10.800 seen in early outside of this season. Good call. They're a good call. 748 00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:15.039 I'm gonna do an inshow audible here cl and say let's skip the MVP 749 00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:19.440 conversation because you know, let's let's be a little better than some of these 750 00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:22.440 other shows out there and wanting to talk about MVP so early on, and 751 00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:24.599 let's but let's go into the Coach of the Year selection. You know whether 752 00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:30.119 or not I'm going to talk issue or abandoned ship here and well, okay, 753 00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:32.239 see, Thunder are sitting second in the Western Conference. I picked Mark 754 00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:37.000 dak and now TV coach of the Year save Jamal Mosley. I don't know 755 00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:38.920 there's somebody doing a better job, So I'm gonna talk ish Man. I 756 00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:43.480 think you know, what he's got going on there with OKAC is truly a 757 00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:47.360 testament to how they've been able to figure out their their roles, what he 758 00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:52.800 has instituting them with them offensively and defensively. Chet Holmgren has been, you 759 00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:58.039 know, right there amongst the Rookie of the Year conversation. Ja Dove, 760 00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:00.800 Jaellen Williams has taking another leap here in his second year, and shake GILJS 761 00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:06.719 Alexander is firmly within the MVP conversation. So all of those things lead, 762 00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:09.239 okay, see to right now second in the Western Conference. And I would 763 00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:13.679 be crazy to walk away from that. And I'm thinking that Dagonaal and Company 764 00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:17.800 H Dagnault rather in company can can maintain some levels of excellence this year, 765 00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:21.639 and not saying they'll be second in the Western Conference all year, but where 766 00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:23.400 I see this as a team that's going to be fronting within the playoff position 767 00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:27.360 and not fighting to get in here, which will give him an opportunity to 768 00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:30.000 win that coach, I gotta ask you this question, Shaw, since you 769 00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:37.360 decided to UH to bring up home Gren, how realistic do you think it 770 00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:42.000 will be for Homegreen to win Rookie of the Year. I think there's a 771 00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:45.760 realistic shot, man like it. And I know people on the surface go 772 00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:50.920 to just look at how badly the San Antonio Spurs are playing, but something 773 00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:54.880 has to be said that Homegren has been key to this team's ability to be 774 00:49:55.000 --> 00:50:00.440 where there are and his numbers are very compared rib to winm Beanyana's man, 775 00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:04.800 and so it'd be hard pressed for me that to think. And do you 776 00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:07.480 think it would be the greatest upset in the world with the hype that has 777 00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:10.199 already been given to win Benyama, if home Grin winds up being Rookie of 778 00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:15.239 the Year over him, I don't think it's the greatest subset in the world. 779 00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:19.280 There'd be some people were com solely disappointed. I just think Chet is 780 00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:22.000 fighting a super uphill battle because of that hype train. You know that is 781 00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:24.519 going on there, But you know, ONMO, what is it, eighteen 782 00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:31.360 and eight and two cysts, two blocks, I'm just saying, yeah, 783 00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:35.559 no, there's, there's there's. There's a lot of teeth to that argument, 784 00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:37.719 and a team that's winning, he's and he's essential to that team winning 785 00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:43.079 in the way that there are. I just think because he's not as freakish 786 00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:45.840 and it's probably not going to be on as many highlights as wemb is, 787 00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:50.320 that the hype train might have already like it just left the station. So 788 00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:52.880 I agree, I agree. I thought Chet was going to be in this 789 00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:54.920 thing from the very beginning and and and should be and will be to the 790 00:50:55.039 --> 00:50:59.920 very end as well too. But as I've seen it play out so far 791 00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:05.159 these first twenty plus games from a media standpoint, while people appreciate that, 792 00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:08.039 there's just still awe struck by what Wemby's doing. And I think that awe 793 00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:10.920 is probably what's going to carry over to the votes when it comes to Rookie 794 00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:15.239 of the Year, assuming he can get to the sixty five games, assuming 795 00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:16.840 most of them can get to the sixty five games minimum that's now in place. 796 00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:21.519 This is gonna be interesting, seaw, it really is gonna be interesting. 797 00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:22.719 We might have to we have to, you know, put this one 798 00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:27.599 on the shelf for a revisited talk ish or abandoned ship. But you know 799 00:51:27.639 --> 00:51:30.960 what I'm saying, I'm liking what I'm seeing from Check. I really am. 800 00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:32.400 He's he's he's he's showing me some things. Bro, He's showing me 801 00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:37.679 some things, all right, Shaw. So as we continue our conversation on 802 00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:43.159 some talk ish or abandoned ship, let's go to six Man of the Year. 803 00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:50.320 My prediction was Malik Monk. I'm gonna continue to talk my ish about 804 00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:52.559 Malik. I think, you know, Malik Monk is still, you know, 805 00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:55.880 in a position where he can clearly be a key guy. I know 806 00:51:55.960 --> 00:52:00.840 that there has been rummaging about the struggles with worder in the starting lineup, 807 00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:05.880 and even Malik Monk to some degree, is somewhat struggle. The Kings, 808 00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:07.239 you know, have struggled a little bit out of the gate. I still 809 00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:10.880 think that there's plenty of basketball left, and there's pretty plenty of competitive play 810 00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:15.880 still to be had. So I'm gonna continue to talk about ish that Milik 811 00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:17.880 Monk will wind up still being six Man of the Year, But I think 812 00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:22.800 the potential of that has been jeopardized now by the expansive pool of quality play 813 00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:28.440 coming off of the bench from other teams. If that makes sense. Yeah, 814 00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:30.519 I mean, and I had touched on it already. I think my 815 00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:34.760 pick was it was e Manual quickly and he's still ride up there, but 816 00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:38.599 Bogdanovich tim Hardaway Junior as a little bit earlier. Those guys are right now 817 00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:44.960 scoring more. If those trends continue, then again, the history tells us 818 00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:47.159 that the guy who scores the most isn't more or less going to be the 819 00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:53.800 six Men of the year. Austin Reeves unexpectedly has moved into this role while 820 00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:58.159 he's not scoring at a high clip, and not that he's a back clip 821 00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:00.679 at thirteen point seven. He's shooting pretty low from three point land, but 822 00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:05.039 he's doing everything. He's almost aftering five assistant five rebounds a game. So 823 00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:07.880 for us, we'll we like, hey, can it get to somebody who 824 00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:12.679 does a little bit of everything. Austin Reeves could sneak into this conversation here 825 00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:16.000 too, So I appreciate you, you know, talking that, Ish, 826 00:53:16.039 --> 00:53:20.000 and there's no reason not to. But as you alluded to, there's a 827 00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:22.760 lot of people who have ventured the proverbial chat here on this conversation that we 828 00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:27.000 didn't necessarily expect to come into it going into the season, even guy like 829 00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:30.000 col Anthony and Orlando. So if they continue to have that success and he 830 00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:32.079 continues to come off the bench, there's no arrieting that's going to come along 831 00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:35.280 with that conversation. Yeah, you know me, I'm the hype man, 832 00:53:35.480 --> 00:53:37.159 right, so I have no problem with hyping up you know what I'm saying. 833 00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:39.320 I guess who is that is supposed to be at the top of the 834 00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:45.119 line, so that these guys have know who they chasing, right so they 835 00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:46.920 once they get that award though, they know who to pay the royalties to, 836 00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:50.960 all right, So I have no problems with that. Whatso I like 837 00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:53.360 that your tube to debate like Callie a wards shot discussing the hot button tops 838 00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:58.599 of the NBA. All right, Shaw, So our final talk ish and 839 00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:01.079 abandoned ship, And I'm glad you saved this one as the last one because 840 00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:05.920 this was a really great conversation that we had in our predictions, our awards 841 00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:09.400 predictions, right, and we said that there had to be a scenario that 842 00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:14.519 would allow us to play itself out for it to be a realistic conversation. 843 00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:19.840 So in our talk Istion abandoned Ship, we had the most Improved Player year 844 00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:23.000 of the award. You looked at Alfred Sengoon for the Houston Rockets, and 845 00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:28.599 I looked at Tyrese Maxi, and the caveat to what we were saying is 846 00:54:28.639 --> 00:54:31.239 that the only way that we can realistically see well, I'm sorry you said 847 00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:36.840 that. The only way that is realistic for the Philadelphia seventy six ers to 848 00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:43.559 for Maxi to be in that conversation is something has to happen to James Harden 849 00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:50.519 and lo and behold, after we had that episode, something happened to James 850 00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:53.400 Harden, Right. So now, based on our predictions, are you going 851 00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:58.039 to continue to talk issu or abandon ship on Singoon? And obviously, when 852 00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:00.840 I continue to look at it's going on with Tyris Maxie, am I going 853 00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:06.039 to continue to talk my issue or abandon ship on Maxi being most improved? 854 00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:09.719 Well, you'd be crazy to abandon ship on Tyers, right, I would 855 00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:14.920 have to be on some Lucy Juice, right exactly, Okay, things have 856 00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:19.360 broken exceptionally well. I think for for your selection, I did nicely for 857 00:55:19.360 --> 00:55:21.239 me, you know what I'm saying. I'm right in a very nice way 858 00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:23.000 right about now. Yes, And while I did qualify it, and that 859 00:55:23.079 --> 00:55:28.360 qualification to come to fruition, I'm going to continue to talk my ish about 860 00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:31.639 Shanhu as well. You should end and I think you know, at twenty 861 00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:37.840 one, ten and five a game here, that is that's that's that's next 862 00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:42.320 level stuff here, and even with the league's best player, if you will, 863 00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:46.320 roaming the in Denver, I feel like Shangun's going to have a chance 864 00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:50.639 to be an All Star this year and therefore really be in the midst of 865 00:55:50.639 --> 00:55:53.679 that conversation. This is the thing right now. I don't know how you 866 00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:58.320 choose between either one of those guys. And I actually would not split up 867 00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:00.000 a word. And this is not me just trying to be dodgy or I 868 00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:02.840 don't want to really make an answer. I think they're both deserving, and 869 00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:06.679 I split that award right down in the middle because they're both deserving. But 870 00:56:06.800 --> 00:56:09.960 MAXI is a certified baller. That guy is a boss. He is a 871 00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:14.920 blur on the basketball court. He does everything with a great attitude, great 872 00:56:14.920 --> 00:56:17.199 compliment to Joel Embiid. I have nothing but gloring things to say about him. 873 00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:20.559 But I'm not going to just throw my guys she Gooon under the bus 874 00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:22.679 because twenty one, ten and five is pretty damn good as well. Okay, 875 00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:28.440 So let me go ahead and for you Shaw, because I don't think 876 00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:30.079 a lot of people put Singgoon on that radar. I think a lot of 877 00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:35.800 people expected him to vastly improve, but not improve to this level. So 878 00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:42.679 and this conversation again doesn't happen until you elevate his name in that conversation. 879 00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:45.599 I think it was easy for us to want Maxi to be in that conversation, 880 00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:49.840 but again, given the circumstances, it was hard pressed to see if 881 00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:52.440 whether or not a guy like Nick Nurse would be willing to pull the trigger 882 00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:58.320 and actually hand the reins over to Tyrese Maxey and say I want you to 883 00:56:58.440 --> 00:57:00.960 work with Joel Embiid. Now, I don't know ifl Embiid had any say 884 00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:02.800 in this, don't care. All I'm saying is is to your point, 885 00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:09.559 we're finally seeing the best versions of what a Tyrese Maxi on your roster looks 886 00:57:09.639 --> 00:57:14.199 like and that to me is All Star Maxie right, Like He's gonna be 887 00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:16.320 in the All Star team this year, no question. Okay, but I'm 888 00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:20.119 gonna go even one step further. I'm gonna top my issue with one step 889 00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:22.719 further. I think he may be the key reason that Joel Embiid will take 890 00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:28.239 consideration of coming back to the Philadelphia seventy six ers, because you don't go 891 00:57:28.360 --> 00:57:30.679 through these growing pains unless you have the confidence that there's one, two, 892 00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:36.280 three players in that locker room who you can clearly see are becoming better players, 893 00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:39.039 especially after you've gone out and gotten yourself an MVP trophy. And that 894 00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:44.880 MVP trophy wasn't, you know because of James Harden, that was because of 895 00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:47.280 Tyrese Maxi. You know what I'm saying. Tyrese Maxi has been through the 896 00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:52.519 wars, sitting on the bench and eventually being on that starting lineup and putting 897 00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:55.360 Joel Embiid in the best positions possible in most times. So I feel like 898 00:57:55.880 --> 00:58:00.639 this could really elevate the conversation. Now this is gonna isn't going to carry 899 00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:04.719 into any measures about being most improved for him, the numbers speak for itselfs 900 00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:08.000 whether or not Tyrese Maxey actually wins it or to your point, show it 901 00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:13.280 can go to Alfred Sengoon. All good on either side of it, because 902 00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:17.280 we essentially were predicting that it would take these two players to really elevate the 903 00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:22.519 conversation to validate that trophy whoever winds up winning it. But for the Philadelphia 904 00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:25.960 seventy six ers, it is so critically important because if they're going to keep 905 00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:30.639 pace with the likes of the Celtics, with the likes of the Bucks, 906 00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:32.920 with the likes of the Heat, it has to be with the level of 907 00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:38.760 play that Tyrese Maxie is playing next to JOELMBI. Yeah, well, listen 908 00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:45.360 twenty seven a game I sat here and just speaking with Gary Washman on another 909 00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:49.320 show that did you know covering the Celtics and they're scary basketball team. Yeah, 910 00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:52.159 there's no answer for him right now. So him blitzing you and getting 911 00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:57.199 you twenty seven is not just happenstance. This is kind of who he is 912 00:58:57.320 --> 00:59:00.679 or who he's become right now. And yeah, he's got finish out the 913 00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:02.960 rest of the year and be healthy and the whole line and do that but 914 00:59:04.239 --> 00:59:07.440 there's no reason to think that he won't finish at least above twenty five per 915 00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:10.159 game at that six to seven assistant Martin margin, you know, and right 916 00:59:10.199 --> 00:59:14.480 now his assistant he doesn't really turn the ball over as well too, So 917 00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:16.280 he does that he plays at the speed at which he plays at, you 918 00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:20.239 know, one of the fastest guys in the league, and stays within control 919 00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:23.119 almost ninety percent from the free throw line as well to forty percent from three. 920 00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:28.360 Like, what are we doing this guy is? He's really really good. 921 00:59:28.599 --> 00:59:31.159 And I agree with you that gives should give and be all the incentive 922 00:59:31.199 --> 00:59:35.360 to feel like, yeah, I can make Philadelphia my home. There's a 923 00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:37.480 couple more tweaks on the margins here and the Sixers team. I think it's 924 00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:39.960 going to be right there in the thick of the conversation you're in the conference. 925 00:59:40.119 --> 00:59:44.719 Oh man, who this has been a good one, man, this 926 00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:47.639 has been This is a very very good episode. Man. I like when 927 00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:54.440 we put our proverbial minds together to come up with the diabolicalness of bringing these 928 00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:58.880 kinds of conversations to our listeners. Man, this is this has been one 929 00:59:58.960 --> 01:00:01.000 hell of a hell of a either way, you know what I'm saying we're 930 01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:06.119 gonna have to start elevating our our when we are abandoned and ship man. 931 01:00:06.159 --> 01:00:07.760 I think I think I said life wrap. I think we need a speed 932 01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:15.679 boat, we need we need to start being a little more lavish and with 933 01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:19.719 our escape mechanisms. Yeah, man, live in the NBA lifestyle. I'm 934 01:00:19.760 --> 01:00:22.039 all about that. But hopefully our fans letters will definitely happen. Let us 935 01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:25.800 know what takes you are a talking ish or abandoned and ship on and if 936 01:00:25.800 --> 01:00:29.320 you agree with our assessment, you know, are we are we jumping ship 937 01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:31.800 too early you're only twenty games into the season, or are these trends you 938 01:00:31.840 --> 01:00:35.559 know? We are going to be the norm here for those who we are 939 01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:37.239 no longer kind of backing with our original takes. Let us know here. 940 01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:40.760 Make sure you hit us up on Instagram at NBA unscore based or on x 941 01:00:40.840 --> 01:00:45.119 at NBA baseline. Absolutely, once again, we like to thank you and 942 01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:47.960 you are for the baseline, Cali Warrenshaw. We appreciate you guys, you 943 01:00:49.039 --> 01:01:13.559 know we do, and we'll catch up with you next time. Spected Protected Service TECT