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Paranormal Dimensions. I'm David Young. Now you may have heard me mentioned the
Festival of the Unexplained quite a few times over the last few shows. Well,
my guest today is one of the speakers coming over from the US for
the festival, and his name is Ron Yacobetti. Now, if you're interested
in EVPs, as we all are, Ron has a special ongoing project called
the Staticon Project, and Ron's gonna tell us all about it on this show
today. So I don't want to watch it any more time. I'd like
to introduce Ron Yakobetti to the show. A Rod Welcome to the show.
Thank you very much David for having me. I've been looking forward to this.
I'm representing four members of the Statacom project team, which is a lot
to carry, but I'm gonna do what I can. No, I'm sure,
I'm sure you'll do find Ron dob You're you're the front man anyway,
are you really? We don't. It's so funny at the very inception of
when we started doing direct radio voice, which led to statu Com, which
we'll get into. I started the movement in that sense because I wasn't building
ghost boxes, and I looked for alternative things to learn and try, and
then so I'm the one that said, hey, let's try this direct radio
voice thing that seems to be highly neglected in paranormal research and investigating and ghost
hunting or whatever you know, whatever label it gets. So in that sense.
Yeah, I started the ball rolling, but especially now that it's called
Statacom. Watis and I have been doing this for five or so years,
and then Tony and Tree Rapman got on board with us around two years or
so ago, and their impact has been phenomenal. He just made an uh
an improvement by gutting some of the process, which is a big undertaking because
when you change one component or one setting, everything that follows it. In
our whole setup and I'll explain the setup, everything that follows it is affected.
Yeah. Yeah, you can't tweak one thing and walk away. It's
you got to look at everything after this. So he made a big change
recently. So yeah, I would say that the concept of a front man
we don't really have. We try to walk in lockstep with the four of
us because everybody's participation in this, especially since we made it statacom, is
a big deal. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I guess you're not
going to talk yourself down. I don't want to talk. But you are
the man that we know really over here. And yeah, so I think
when I say front man, we know if you as the front man really,
But yeah, I understand you've got a say that goes with it,
and Lord, this is very important as well, obviously, Yes, yes,
and I appreciate that. Yeah, no, we She and I started
direct Radio Voice about five or six years ago, I think five and change
was in twenty nineteen, and then the Rathmans, who had built the ghost
boxes for eleven years, got on board, like I said, a few
years after that. So, and that's actually and that's one of the reasons
why I'm grateful for this opportunity that you've given me, is because I don't
want to be the only one that they know over there or over here with
regards to that. And then because our partners are in Arizona in the US,
so we're on opposite sides of the continent. So some people will see
here do something and think this is his thing. Oh yeah, and some
people see us do something and as our thing. And so we're trying to
make a concerted effort because we're all kind of in this together. So that's
I appreciate this opportunity for that reason. And so even when we come there,
our presentation and our lecture and what we do to demonstrate, it's going
to have elements of the Rathmans as well as gone jacka Adi Gonzalez here.
Yeah, well let me turn that back on you. I'm pleased to have
this opportunity. It's up to you. I mean, thank you for giving
me the opportunity. So it works, it works both ways. But so
anyway, the Fest of the Unexplained, I shall be meeting you at the
Fest of the Unexplained in September. I'm very excited to be doing that.
Have you been to the UK before? I am the only one of us
two between Wortis and I who's been to the UK. I worked in in
the fight industry for a number of years and in broadcasting, and I was
there for a for a cage fight event by promotion called Cage Rage. Was
working in alliance with the company that I was working for, and I got
to come over to Wembley for a few days to do an event. But
anybody who's ever worked in like events, whether it's sports or other stuff,
there's not a lot of tourism time and sight seeing time and taking it all
in. I got to do very little of that, but I did get
to see some So this will be a completely different experience as far as that
goes. So we're definitely looking forward to that, it seems did you say
cage fighting? Yes? Is that what you used to do? So not
as an athlete. I did train in some of the disciplines because I was
part of my background in martial arts. And then to broadcast that, you
have to at least know what you're looking at. Yeah, I have.
I have a background that is steeped in things that people are afraid of,
from the paranormal public speaking, I did stand up comedy, which is satire.
I'm going to ask you about that. Satire is a form of philosophy.
I feel it has philosophical overtones. And then broadcasting with the fighters,
I would say professional fighters are probably the scariest of those three things. So
anyway, just in this, don't upset Rob when he comes over. It
won't happen. Well, I mean, I know everyone's looking forward to seeing
you over here. I know there's quite an air of excitement about about all
the guests. Actually you're you're just one of many great guests that are coming,
and I guess you even must be excited to be meeting some of these
other guests that are coming, or do you actually know some of them already?
Some? Yeah, the lineup is phenomenal. Oh, I appreciate it.
We're honored to be included amongst those others on IT. Daniel Class from
Hinsdale House and from Death Walker Nick Roff. We know Daniel for a while.
We know Shane Pittman. We've run into him in a couple events.
We've never really spent a lot of time talking to him. We have a
lot of friends in common with him, probably more so than time in common
with him, but we know each other. Dave Schrader we've gotten in a
little bit more recently at the New Jersey Power Unity Expo a couple months back
that we do every year we do an ITC exhibit. He was intrigued by
hearing about our stuff and he came back at the end of the expo to
experience or see what it was we were running. And he actually had like
a ten to fifteen minute dialogue with whoever was coming through the speaker through our
method, and he was really really impressed from what he had said. And
so we were scheduled to be on his show at some point too. I
think we had a reschedule because he had a Liaroniti's issue, But so we
know him. Doctor k Cherrell ghost Trip. Well, we don't know them
yet, Cindy that we've not had the chance to cross paths with either.
And if I'm trying to think of if I'm missing Oh, Danny Moss,
We've got to know a little bit recently. Love loved his stuff. I
think he does great work. He's a great attitude for someone who's investigating this
kind of stuff, very thorough. And his name I think I had sent
you that clip. His name came through a static count report. Yeah,
it's quite fascinating. Was that quite? Was that quite a shock for it
to come through for for you? Yeah, it's always yeah, I mean
it's always a shock that this is not It is so hard for this stuff
to go from magnificent to mundane, I think because it's really not in you
know how we've all been brought up, for the most part, whatever your
cultural or religious backgrounds are, we're all kind of taught that this doesn't happen
or it's not real or so it never loses some of that some of that
pizaz when you hear something because I'm not broadcasting out out with a microphone,
I'm talking in the room like I'm talking to you right now. Something to
come through the system, which will explain how that works is it's it's still
mind boggling to hear it, and I know I hear it, and then
I sent it to them and other people and including he even said it kind
of rules the Paradolia thing out because he heard it. Yeah, and other
people other people heard it, so it never gets it never gets old in
that sense. I was going through testing some stuff and I was just seeing
if I can get names of any of the other speakers or presenters to come
through, and then I heard Danny Moss and I heard something about England,
and I was like, wait, well, hold on, yeah, and
I went back and when we stopped recording and go back and see because I
think there was an answer there, and yeah, funny one listening. So
this we'll be talking about. What's what Ron's talking about is on his equipment,
which we will talk more about. He was asking some questions for it,
and in came Danny Moss, who's one of the speakers in September at
the festival. So Rob was quite surprised by that, and he was putting
it down to a few of us so to get our opinions on the name
that came through, and like you say, it's that's that's what came through.
Now, I guess we'll get into kind of how it comes about.
I'm not quite sure where to what to ask you for. What we're going
to be doing on the festival is we're going to be doing. There's a
couple of days out. I guess you'll be coming on the days out,
will you as well? Yes, I think we're coming on the Wednesday.
They're they're taking care of the travel stuff, I think now, yeah,
because on the Thursday we're going to the Galleries of Justice in Nottingham, so
hopefully we might see a demonstration if your staticome there, will we Yes,
I need these are my be princess mandatory requirements to do what I do.
I need a table, two chairs and so to plug in. There's plenty
of those. There's plenty of those. That's all I need. And I
and we've used a power bank before when there's an issue with you know,
maybe no electricity on the floor of a certain house or we can do that
also. But just that's pretty much all we need. So yeah, if
we're going to be able to run it somewhere like that, well, it's
a fantastic. It's I've got to tell you know, it's a fantastic venue
with court rooms and all sorts of things, and there's been all sorts of
things seen there, quite a few spooks if your life, if you want
to see it, we've got there's a there's like a a prison area downstairs,
and there's like a cave area even further down where they used to put
the poor people back in the old days. So it's going to be quite
exciting. And I think it's going to be quite exciting seeing you, Cindy.
Yeah, seeing how you maybe work together or separately, and how you
compare things that you actually the results that you're coming up with. Yeah,
that's the voice of experience talking, because somebody new might not think to say
something like you just said. We're looking forward to that. We have had
experiences running staticcom and previously under the banner of direct radio voice with talented some
very talented mediums, and we have gotten stuff that that corroborated either what they
thought and then it would come out of our device, or we would get
something and then they would be able to come up with something on top of
that that was in league with whoever this resonated with to begin with, and
it's not I know, there's a lot of different thoughts based on different things
from the Filip experiment everything else. We can get into that, but it's
not influenced by like the mediums not coming through our device or vice versa.
So it was fascinating. Cindy was on I know, with with I think
with Karen, we're all doing a little pre interviews kind of like just to
talk about the festival and stuff. Yeah, and she knows us, but
she doesn't really, I don't think she really knows what we do. She's
seen it yet and understandably so, I mean, this is not this is
not a field where memorizing everybody in it is easy. We've not had a
chance to cross path with her before, but hopefully by the time that weekend's
done, she'll be quite familiar with what we do. I mean, most
people in the paranormal field, especially I know in the States, they're most
familiar with the methodology of the ghost box or the spirit box, and usually
in league with that with those who are the ones who build or sell them,
is it. Yeah, So we're coming a little bit out of left
field with this because this is and actually for us, one of the things
that's really cool is this is a homecoming for our method, because maybe this
is a good time to explain it. Statacom was born of us resurrecting what's
called direct radio voice. Now I'm not saying we're the only ones on the
planet doing it, but what I am saying is that from the ghost hunting
or paranormal investigator field or whatever where we both started, at least here,
nobody was doing anything that was considered it outside of a sweeping ghost box.
That's it. I call it the If this translates, well, I call
it the Q tip of the paranormal. The cotton swabs that used for our
ears. It's actually a cotton swab, but people call it a Q tip
because of the brand made itself synonymous with the item, and in the paranormal,
the ghost box or the spear box has made itself synonymous with itc with
instrumental transmmunication. So when we started doing this just pure white noise jazz from
direct radio voice, it was an oddity at first, and then it's only
when it started to yield undeniable results with the least amount of low hanging fruit
for the cynic involved and with an efficacy of how it worked that exceeded I
think what the ghostbox modality can do. Then that's when it started to gain
some traction and start, I guess generating a buzz amongst people who had seen
it in asking if other people have you seen this kind of a thing.
But the core of it is for direct radio voice. This is a homecoming
because it is a method where EVP and ITC research was born in Europe.
It is not an American phenomenon. The American contribution to ITC not entirely,
but for the most part is Frank Sumption in the Sweeping ghost Box, and
I'm probably in ITC circles not celebrated for this viewpoint. But while I do
believe that they work, we own some. They're fantastic, they're portable.
However, I don't think that the Sweeping ghost Box, which came after direct
Radio Voice, which was born out of EVP research where they use white noise
for audio support, I don't think that the Sweeping ghost Box was a progression
of ITC. I think it was a diversion. I think it was an
offshoot. It was an alternative path. That is ITC but does not.
It does not build upon or expound upon what had already been done, almost
with no regard for what had been done. If you look at there's documentaries
on Vimeo called Calling Earth, there's a forty five minute when I think it's
in French with subtitles about Marcello Bacci in Italy doing direct radio voice. And
I watched that and I remember I looked at Lortis and I went, I've
never seen anybody doing this. I can't imagine why, and I've never seen
a ghostbox do what he was getting at. It just pure white noise on
a vacant baron of all radio emissions, am like short medium move channel.
So we started to do it, and that was all we used. And
then I came across the books and writings who have now become a friend of
mine, doctor Annabella Cordoso, who from a lineage point of view, she's
I think the last surviving of the old Guard from ITC and EVP pioneers in
Europe, Freudick Gergensen, Constantine Rodeve, Marcello Bacci and his wife. She
was good friends with Dr ernstin Kowski, physicist in Germany who came up with
the term ITC, which I'm often not even sure how many people who say
their it TC people know that it was a German physicist who came up with
the term. Well, you're coming up with a lot of names that I
don't know. You know, it's not familiars. For me, it's and
I'm happy to to share those because it's it's so important for a variety of
reasons to have an awareness and reverence for the people before us. If it
was not for doctor Annaba Cordoso, I would not have dove headfirst into doing
direct radio voice and I would not be here now talking to you under this
banner of this statam thing if it was not for her influence. So it's
easy for, I think, for a lot of people who are new in
paranormal stuff to do something and say, hey, this is new or maybe
this hasn't been done before when it you know, not in all instances,
but in a lot of instances it has. And so out of reverence for
who's been there before, for whose foundation we stand upon to say this stuff
is real, I think it's important to acknowledge and to know who they are.
And then for a variety of other reasons, where's the science behind all
this stuff? Boom physicists Sinkowski. So, I mean there's a lot behind
it. And doctor Cordoso being anchored told those people legacy wise to me was
a huge honor. She did the about the author for my first of the
four books I have out now on Amazon, and she to this day we
still talk and she's impressed with the direction we've taken it, and that if
you want, because I do talk, I talk a lot time. That's
great. Great. Now, I was going to ask you the question,
how did you actually you saw it that you were going to go down that
route? Was the accidental or an accidental thing that happened or something else?
But it's something else, And that's a great question, and I'm glad you
asked it because I I don't think I got asked that question enough, because
it's funny, and I'm you know, as much as I'm serious about trying
to approach this stuff academically as possible, I am not above mocking myself either,
because it's kind of fun to have some levity in all we do.
The path really emerged for us because I loved itc The first time I had
seen it was at the Glenn Taverna in Santa Paula, California. I originally
lived in Los Angeles when I started doing paranormal stuff. I'm now in the
East Coast in New Jersey, right right across the river from New York City,
but I was out in the West Coast at the time, and I
remember going to an event that had Chad Lindbergh from The Fast and Furious movies,
also that he was on a show with John L. Tenny I can't
remember what it's called. And the late what was her name, Debbie Constantino
was there, who was one of the two EVP experts or really prodigies,
her and her husband Mark, and they were using a spiritbox sp seven and
it went around. Everybody introduced themselves and then the last people go, and
then Chad Lindbergh goes and Hi, my name is Chad. It's like thirty
something people, and not even twenty seconds later, a voice comes out of
the spirit box speaker and goes, I know Chad, And I was like,
what was that? Wow? How did that happen? What are you
running? What what is it called? And I was hooked on real time
as much as EVP is fascinating to me to get voices out of thin air
that really should not be there, that we don't detect with our ears.
To see that happen hook me. So then I went down that route.
And so I'm not the build shelves and drawers and like massive amounts of tools,
and I'm not the handy eye. It's not not my thing. So
when I saw all the ghost box stuff and everybody building these different things and
soldering, I was like, that's not I'm not going to try to fit
into that mold. And I don't think if I started soldering that I would
high five with all of the fingers that I currently have. I saw a
lot of that. Believe you, I don't that was much right. Yeah,
a lot of people are really good at it. So to answer your
question in short after that long explanation with humorous undertones, is that it was
kind of born out of an inadequacy. I feel like because I was not
good at doing what was the standard anybody in ITC. I know here in
the States who was known, who was a name that you recognize on ITC
was somebody who was a builder. They were building boxes. So when we
started to emerge with this direct radio voice thing. We were shaking that mold
a little bit, and we were adding another lane to this path, and
itc that had kind of been neglected. So it was from that feeling of
inadequacy, like I didn't think I was going to be another builder, and
then I was kind of just enamored by the fact that nobody was doing what
Bachi had really made famous. Jurgensen obviously was the pioneer of direct radio voice
out of EVP research and doctor Nabaut Cordoso. There was a couple in Luxembourg
called the harsh Fishbacks, Maggie and Jules harsh Fishback, who got some amazing
stuff and all these people just with the pure white noise, and I was
like, I can't understand why nobody's trying to continue that. Or further that,
the Frank's Box and the sweeping ghost box modality took root because it was
done here. The TV shows that popularized and mainstreamed a lot of the paranormal
done here. Convenient mobile to carry around, instant gratification because you do get
stuff fast a lot of times from that, So that's how that became my
path. And then since we've been doing this, we have a lot of
different ideas. It rooted in in philosophy of mind, rooted in how the
methodologies even of the ghost box, from what we learned in our own method
and its research, how we think that they're actually redefined to work a different
way. So whatever your next rabbit hole is, let's do it. But
that's that's the answer. I was not going to be welding stuff, and
I looked for a different way to contribute or dive into it t C.
And that's and that's how I found direct radio voice. Yeah, very interesting.
No, just called of wonder if you people call the fall into things
by accidents sometimes, don't they? So I mean, did you actually use
a little b VP equipment before that in your investigations? So I did.
I always I always found vocal phenomenon to be most impressive because you can voice
print and speak into software and see if the words on a spectrograph look like
the words you think you're hearing when you look at what you're recorded. So
it had it had a verifiable element to it. It's also what's called a
permanent paranormal object or a PPO, because you you can get touched or pushed
or feel your hair tugged at an event. And I do believe these you
know, these experiences happen, But once the moment of experience is gone,
it does not lend itself to being re examined or shared and having other people
see it, where audio or visual stuff does. But also a lot of
time, can you really believe those people that side they've been pushed or at
their hairpuol. There's there's there's always that element, isn't it. You never
know, especially if you're in amongst a bunch of strangers. You know,
yeah, well this and this is a good thing to bring up too,
because I think that personal integrity and one's ability to assimilate in to a community
is a big deal. There's a lot of what they call paradrama going on
these days where everybody's slinging accusations of being frauds at other people at this is
not right, they don't do this. The thing is is that you are
solely responsible for the impression that you give to other people. And so I
hold myself to a standard lortis and I will not ever get involved in any
of that drama stuff. If I think that your work is shoddy, if
I think you're you're kind of fraudulent. I won't work with it, but
I won't spend seventy two hours a week on social media talking about how I
think you're a fraud because now I'm wasting my life and energy on something.
Absolutely, And then trust me, if you go down that path, if
one person sees you doing it, anybody who knows you thinks, what if
he doesn't like me, why wouldn't you do that to me? You make
yourself you know, it's like killing one person, go oh, I only
killed him because he had orange shoes. Not normally I wouldn't do that.
Nobody's gonna believe that, right, So I think you have a you hold
yourself to a standard, and that's it, and that's it. But I
do think it's important the integrity part comes. I mean a prime example,
Direct Radio Voice is something that Lords and I brought back, you know,
around twenty early twenty nineteen, And the only reason that we partnered with the
Rathmans was is these were people who were really genuinely good hearted, people who
had integrity, who were considerate and kind and selfless to other people, and
brilliant, brilliant researchers. And Tony built boxes for eleven years. He never
sold one of them. He was never about going to market to make a
profit. It was always about the research and seeing if we could do better
with this whole electronic spirit communication stuff, and those all spoke to his character
and him and his wife Shari's characters to us. That's how this partnership that
led the Statacom happen. So, yeah, you're you're calling card through your
own integrity and how you put yourself out there, I think is a big
deal, and I think it gets lost a lot of times because people are
so concerned with what they don't like other people are doing. Who came up
with a name Setikov was always just so Tony. Tony came to us with
the name. I think there was somebody that he knows who was a very
well known music producer engineer in Hollywood who was going to use that for research
and then it never it never went anywhere, I guess, and so Tony
had suggested it funny because the first time he brought it up. We didn't
want to take on a name like that because we were doing direct radio voice
and we did not want to disjoint ourselves from the legacy of the people who
whose work we picked up the torch on which had been neglected since the all
ghost hunting revolution started through television and media. Everybody was doing sweeping ghost boxes.
Nobody was doing this. We did not want to sever ourselves, like
what is this staticcom thing? But then this is probably a good intro into
something else that we were going to get into. Anyway, the name changed
happened because the method of direct radio voice was just using an empty, vacant
barren of radio emissions white noise AM frequency AM because it's more prone to interference,
as historically was done in direct radio voice. Out of EVP research.
Then what we had done through a gentleman named Keith Clark from something called Varinormal
with a vvarnormal dot com. He introduced us to a software component that allowed
you to filter in real time. We tried it for a little bit.
It was interesting, stepped away from it, went back to the purest version
of just using the radio on a vacant channel. Then because we saw a
promise, we circled back to the software and that's when I just went nuts.
And I really if you had a formal training and audio, A lot
of what I did would have seen counterintuitive, maybe counterproductive, but we were
not trying to produce Beyonce's next hit. We're trying to produce vocals from the
beyond. So nothing was off the table for me as far as attempting to
do different things theoretically with the sound and how we were processing it. So
what happened was is that now we have live filtered sound in real time.
So we're taking the entire cleanup process of audio review that paranormalists do when they
record ghostbox or EVPs or whatever, and we're taking that from later on at
home when there's no more opportunity for conversation, and we're doing it in the
moment of contact, so we're doing all the the noising amplification and something else
that we added, which was slowing it down all in real time. Slowing
it down came because we did an event somewhere and I got a vocal I
believe was my mother or my grandmother, and in the moment I didn't hear
anything but the word on and I had said, Hey, if you know
who I am, go ahead and say it, and the voice said ron
Then it said Ronnie, it's mom, It's Lucy, which is her mother,
I'm connecting, and I didn't even hear that, and I just thought
to ask, is my mother going to be here? Then the voice responds,
yes, You're lucky missed all that. It came in so fast.
So we started to slow down the vocals in real time, which had never
been done in itc before. People slow down sweep speeds on a ghostbox,
but we're not doing that. So it was just the flow of why white
noise we slowed down, and that was what was the impetus behind deciding to
slow it down. And I remember earlier when I said there's an importance to
having reverence and awareness for the people who came before us. Constantine Rodeve,
who was a student of Carl Jung, philosopher, and we'll get to that
connection next, had mentioned that a lot of times the vocals and audio phenomenon
EVP or otherwise will come in not only faster than we can detect them,
but faster than the human vocal tract can speak. So when I found that
vocal, I found it by slowing down the audio to fifty percent of normal
speed on the recording, and I could send it to you. I sound
intoxicated. I assure you that was not for hours later. Now I'm kidding,
but the vocal came in as clear and as precise as I'm speaking now,
which means in real time that came in incredibly fast, and there was
no way I would have heard it. Now. An interesting side thing to
mentioned, since she's not representing herself here. Now, Lord Is by trade
works as a court reporter. Do you see the little stenographers with the machines.
So she gets paid by the State of New York to take down testimony
which is now mostly virtual. They're not really even in the courtroom anymore.
So she's listening to audio of people talking in different speeds, cadences, dialects,
accents, talking over each other at the same time farther from the microphone,
closer to the microphone. So she has a linguistic capabilities from interpreting listening
to audio. That is a huge asset to what we do with listening to
audio phenomena. So when we get these people telling us that we're hearing different
things in the whole paradolia thing, and sometimes they're audio engineers, when I
understand that you know how to produce sound and you know what the behaviors of
sound are, but her expertise is in listening and into interpreting words and language.
So I'm going to go with the court reporter in this interpretive instance.
It almost fascinates me. Actually, I can actually sit there tippy lot and
and I pick everything out. It's a whole other language. It's a whole
other language. She's explained it to me in short now and I'm like,
I still don't you know, but huge asset to it. And then she
assured me, she goes, there is no way that this slowed down to
fifty percent recording could have been a person, because no human being. I
don't care if it's an auctioneer on cocaine. They can't talk that fast without
stammering, slurring, tripping over their words, and even then it's just not.
So this was a huge, huge breakthrough moment for us. And then
that's when, knowing what the pioneer said, I looked at we need to
figure out how to slow this down. Now. At that point, under
direct radiovoice, the Rathmans had already joined us in the research, and so
I brought this message to Lordis and to Tony and his wife Shuri, and
then I tried a couple of different things. Tony was the one who found
the specific component that we now use still to slow down the flow of live
white noise, and it has made a market difference, I think on the
quality and our ability to hear more of it in real time because our our
kind of on the down low goal is to eliminate the review process as much
as possible by having dialogue in the real time and then we can just marke
and note where those things are, and then we can always represent them because
we can record. But that was one of those moments where knowing the historical
background behind what we do, knowing what some of the research yielded as far
as speeds that they come in, spurred on for me an idea of trying
to slow this down in real time, which then our partnership led us to.
So then why do we call it stata coom Because at that point it's
direct radio voice that we're filtering and slowing down in real time. And I
talked to doctor Annibal Crdoso and these are things that she does now. She'll
record sessions with a few different radios, all on vacant channels, and then
when she puts it in her software. Later on she will amplify the noise,
normalize and then sometimes you catch stuff, you slow it down to present
it. So for us, if we're supposed to be having dialogue, let's
slow it down in the moment. So it became staticcom because of two things.
And this really speaks to our understanding of the method and even the functionality
of the ghost box modality. Also, we did an underground zinc mine in
New Jersey. This was a place where radios and cell phones and their signals
go to die. You get nothing. We went far into the mind.
We set up a table and some chairs used the power bank, and we
ran direct radio voice with a short wave or medium wave frequency where nothing would
come through. They tried spirit boxes. Actually, when we were on that
investigation, and nothing couldn't sweep through anything, we got voices. They named
us, They named John Zappis, they cursed. So that was a hint
to us that the RF signal and the carrier wave upon which radio is received
might not be a necessity to do this whole spirit communication thing. Then Tony
Rathman and his wife Frei did a power con convention out in Arizona, and
he did what I will always consider to be a very ballsy move because to
research something and try it at home, sure, that's what we're supposed to
do. He did this in front of a live audience. Instead of using
a radio for the white noise source, he took out a sleep machine.
Now that's different than what we use now because the sleep machine is pre recorded
white noise on a loop on a chip quarter, and he put that connected
to the whole software system. I just explained, and he ran it,
and he asked a question of spirit and he got a three word response.
He found out that the device had a three second loop because every three seconds
the three words that he got played again and it kept coming through the speaker.
And what we believe happened was if you've done EVP before, right,
you know, he had like five recuarders in the same room. Everybody's hold
them next to each other. Only one of them gets the voice when a
question is asked. We've maybe imprinted upon the device. We believe whoever or
whatever answered him imprinted onto the chip quarter where the white noise is recorded.
Because it's not live white noise. So then again you have no ability to
receive a radio signal or carry wave, but the white noise facilitated vocals that
and our zinc mine thing. And that's when we decided, let's get generators
that make the live white noise and run that through the same process static because
we didn't think we should call it direct radio voice, but there was no
radio in fact as part of the process anymore. Then we readopted that name
that had come up earlier. Well, I did you think it would be
such a long ulcer. Yeah, it's fascinating, yes, but brilliant.
Well your own personals, have you got any sort of abilities or you you've
got the mediumship abilities? Or you think what got you into what got you
into the PROD? That's a great question. I don't know that I have.
I think we all have some degree, as we're told, right,
and I'll explain why. But as far as at a at a detectable or
noticeable level for the Statocom team, I don't believe that Tony does. I'm
not sure that his wife Shari does either. Lord Is does and when we
have a return to your show here, she can speak to it. She
has a family history and what's called a spiritismo. Sometimes it would get confused
with santoria, but it's not the same thing. Because her family origins are
in Puerto Rico, and so she was exposed to spiritual stuff and trance,
mediumship and these ritualistic gatherings, and but then she kind of shied away from
because she had seen something as a child with the revolved her mother that was
kind of disturbing for her, so she kind of got out of it.
But we have been on locations before when we were running direct radio voice for
Statacom, hope you need to get an answer for one of the attendees of
our event, and then she turns her on and says, was the date
April fourteenth? And we're like, and she because she got it through this
symbolism that she saw in her head that kind of led her to the answer.
So she's starting to embrace it more. And one of the big reasons
she's embracing it more is because for us, and you'll see when we lecture
there at the at the festival and with where we're hoping even the other speakers
get to come see it, we are putting forth as a as a foundation
of reality, a platform that is rooted in analytic idealism philosophy because for people
like her. Now, I've been studying it for a year or so,
and I've introduced this in the last couple of months to Tony and tree Rath
and to Lois, and I've never seen her so excited to learn anything because
of that foundation of reality that we've adopted through This philosophy explains so much of
her life before with regards to these gifts that we're talking about. And what
it does is it takes the idea of what we call paranormal and it makes
it quite normal. It's nature doing what it does. And why is that
a big deal? Because when we try to argue on behalf of the realism
or genuine nature of these things that we say we experience or document, the
cynicism and the skepticism that we have to always encounter requires of us. And
this is why I believe we lose the argument that we try to improving this
to other people paradoxically defy yet adhere to the accepted worldview of materialist science.
And by doing that, we are playing by our rule book that we say
our stuff doesn't fit into. Right. When you call this stuff paranormal or
supernatural, we're saying this is beyond measurable science, it's paranormal. And then
to prove it, we're trying to prove it by cramming in into a materialist
worldview measurable science explanation, and we just said it doesn't go there. This
is why we lose the argument. But if you're framing of what reality actually
is allows for this, and this is not something we concocted. This goes
back and remember I mentioned Constantine Rodove, one of the EVP pioneers, who
was a doctor. There's your background in education for people. He studied under
Carl Jung. So the analytic idealism that we put forth comes from a union
based philosophy of mind that also was in some way very much akin to Shoppin
our Espinoza there's tons of philosophers. Is a gentleman now named doctor Bernardo Casper,
who's got PhD in philosophy and in computer science engineering. He worked at
CERN. He was involved with the discovering of the Higgs boson, which they
called the God particle, and the modalities of trying to predict even being able
to find it. He was involved in all that. He sold the company
to Intel. So this is coming from somebody who is well versed in theology
and in philosophy, but also in the materialistic idea of the world because he
was, through career and vocation, working under a materialist idea for a long
time. So to clarify for people, the worldview of science or what we
call physicalism or materialism basically says, and this to us is important because we're
saying that when we something's paranormal, that it's outside of you know, it's
something supernatural. So I think what is missing in our field is a philosophy.
If you have an idea, I don't think a lot of us reflect
on what we think reality is. We just kind of accept the worldview and
go, well, this breaks the bounds because this is paranormal. The idea
is basically that the worldview that's accepted in material science or physicalism says that basically,
there is this physical world out there. It's three D that has standalone
existence. It's comprised of matter, and our brain creates or consciousness, and
we observe and perceive it and that's it for the most part, and that
the experiences are phenomenal experiences what it's called quality or qualitative experiences, that that
matter, that exists out there in this three D world, doesn't have qualities.
It's devoid of experience. It's just measurements in numbers and quantities, and
that's it. And so that's why we get stuck behind the eight ball with
trying to prove and explain this stuff. Analytic idealism says that reality is out
there, there is a world out there that we share, but it's mental
that it's mental processes, and it's pretty much the way we engage our daily
lif anyway. Right, I have my own mental processes, my own inner
phenomenal conscious life, so do you. Yours is outside of mind to be
observed as something outside of mine. So we're just saying that that, and
then you have things like the Ecostic records where people believe that there's an overarching
phenomenal consciousness. But if that's the substrate for all of reality, then look
at some of the stuff that we say we experience people having abilities and some
people maybe more than others. You suddenly have a foundation for this stuff that
supports it as natural as nature doing what it does. This is how we
interact with reality. It's not some kind of fantastical, magical, whimsical woo
woo, as they say, but it simply makes sense. Yeah, And
I'll get to ask you a question now, I know you're okay to be
to answer it. Really, where do you think these voices are coming from?
Is it a dual reality where people pass over and they are still existing
in another reality or I mean, obviously, or are they going through the
light and going into heaven I'm coming back occasionally to visit. What do you
believe is That's a great question based on what I just rambled on now because
I'm going to go on other point about aliens. Okay, now we can
we can group that in there. Typically we sometimes get people asking it for
communicating with aliens. We've had voices say that's as they are. So that
would have been a hard question to answer before. And I'm not saying that
I know, but I'm saying I have a better idea what I believe now,
right Because in reality, science or otherwise, the only thing we can
ever truly know is our subjective experience. That's it. The chair you think
you're sitting on and you think is physical, you're experiencing it. Perception comes
first, so everything else is theory. So theoretically, for us with this
foundational idea of analytic idealism and reality being mental processes and not being a physical
world out there, but a world out there. Then we believe that these
voices that we're hearing are part of the universal phenomenal consciousness. We believe that
they are comprised perhaps of entities that never existed in our form, certainly of
continued consciousness that has existed in our form. But we feel like that is
what's called the ontological primitive, That the foundation of all reality is universal phenomenal
consciousness, and so anything we think we're communicating with would be communicating with consciousness.
And even if we think that it's a spirit or extraterrestrial or someone who's
passed on, they would be assimilated back into universal phenomenal consciences. Under this
idea, our existence is akin to what's known as dissociative identity disorder or did
usually be called multiple personality, so that there's one consciousness right ever present universally.
That's the ontological primitive, and from that we are what's considered alters.
Like somebody who has multiple personalities will have what they're called alters or alternate personalities
that will exist separate. They'll have a dissociative boundary that separates them. And
that is under this idea of analytic idealism, what our reality is is that
you have a dissociative boundary, so do I. So I can't influence and
make you think something, nor you to me. If I wasn't here,
your thoughts would still exist. They don't need to be observed, right,
So under that, we think that these voices that we get are excitations of
universal consciousness that were normally not able in most cases, and through mediumship you
have a difference. Though we're not normally able to perceive these things. And
that's the other idea is under this idea of analytic idealism, we have we
have what's well, Doctor Bernardo cast were called the dashboard or perception, and
he likens it metaphorically and I love this, which is why I won't change
or bashardise the metaphor to a pilot sitting in an airplane and he has dials
and needles and stuff that tell him what is going on in reality outside of
himself. Right, the pilot never makes the mistake that we do to interpret
that the things that he perceives as reality around him are the thinking of himself.
He doesn't ever mistake the dashboard for the sky, but it is telling
him things by measuring what's happening around him, which also supports the idea of
reality being mental because if you don't have measurement, you don't have physicality,
right. If there isn't something to measure outside the airplane, then there's no
reading on the dashboard, So you can only perceive something first, then measure
it. And that's one of the reasons we get tripped up with trying to
argue this stuff with physics, because physics is really now, especially going on
the quantum physics, which quantum field theory stuff may explain more, but physics
is always the thing we run into as the Grand Puba of the sciences.
But physics is in the business of being less wrong, of modeling and predicting
behaviors of nature. It doesn't tell us what nature or reality is. It
tells us what it does. So as a foundation of reality, with this
stuff being mental processes, and then we have our dissociative boundary, we are
measuring what is happening around us. And I think when you look at this
for the power noormal a lot of times and this is something we get asked
now sometimes it goes well. So with the equipment you have, is that
expanding your abilities like extrasensory Like now you're able to perceive more than your normal
sensory input because we like the dashboard, we have sensory input right inside of
the aligning your tongue, your eyes, your smell, your touch, right
we had that's our dashboard. Those are our sensors like the plane has.
But the equipment does not expand those because whatever the data you get from the
equipment, the paral equipment that sees at night or hear's what we can't hear,
like the digital recorder, the experience still has to be modulated to where
we can perceive it. You're still perceiving that data even if it's coming in
up the equipment. And that's what it does, is it modulates the experience.
And I think like in the cases of like mediumship, in some instances
they may have more permeable or porous dissociative boundary that's separating them from let's say
from universal phenomenal consciousness, so they're able to get information. They have done
tests where they had mediums that were connected to fMRI or EKGs, and they
were measuring brain activity and during more complex computations or thought their brain activity in
the hippocampus, in the frontal lobe, where you would have more activity if
the brain was the creator of consciousness, in fact had a reduction of activity
when mediums were in trance states picking up information and conveying that. So that
I think ties into to answer your question where we think the voices are coming
from. We think that these are excitations of universal phenomenal consciousness. We think
when somebody passes on from our world, we don't think that they they don't
maintain personal agency, like you're no longer the you making the decisions and executing
you know, executive choices and stuff. But your consciousness will can tinue and
it will reassimilate into the phenomenal conscious of universal phenomenal consciousness. It'll be a
part of that. So it's it's not lost. Nor do we think inaccessible,
and we think that's how we're able to get information. Even this has
happened to you before. Right with a ghostbox AVP, you'll say what color
is my shirt? And then the device will say, Even people with apps
whatever, it'll say red. Now, think of billions of years of evolution,
and we have developed these ocular systems with the rods and cones and the
neural synapses and everything that tells you. So if spirit could see without those,
why would we have evolved to develop those? Because we are spirit?
Right. So again this is where the philosophy of mind, we think,
helps as a foundation to explain what it is we do as paranormalists. We've
asked those questions and we've gotten the right answer. I'm holding glasses, your
shirt is read. So if you look at the concept the way I just
explained it as a framework for reality, then my putting that information through my
sensory input on my dashboard of dials into universal phenomenal consciousness of which I am
a part or an altar of. So it's not I'm not directly connected.
That there is the boundary that makes me me and doesn't make me think I
am the universe, but it is permeable, and then through what's called impingement,
we can send out into transpersonal space and then sometimes perceive, which is
what we think mediums do information. So when the spirit tells you what color
your shirt is, there, in fact Grocking that information from your sensory input
into the greater good that you're connected to also, and then that's why they're
able to come through through modulation of experience. And then the device sometimes will
aid in modulation, which is not magical radios do that right, there's radio
happening right now around your head. You don't hear it, turn on,
the device modulates it. Boom, there's your song. So we think that
is akin to how this all works. Well, that was a fascinating yeah.
I mean it kind of makes you think that if this is such a
universal thing out there, which, well, why is it? So,
why don't I find it necessary or important to come back to talk to us
eve them about it? Right? Or is it just something that we are
taping into. I think I think we're tapping into. And I think that
if if the universe under again under analytic idealism, if it's if it's consciousness
itself, if it's mental processes itself, it does what it does, and
it plays out, and it learns about itself through us, through experiences through
us, so it would have its own, its own things that it does.
We don't control it, we're part of it. And the idea behind
that dissociation is powerful too. There was there were studies in the Netherlands done
believe the doctor was Victoria Schlimp twenty fourteen. Doctor Cashup talks about this a
lot where a woman had five altars, five personalities. Organically, she was
physically fine. Two of the authors claimed to be blind. And when one
of those altars was an executive control of the body, when that personality was
the one in charge, there was no brain activity in the visual cortex.
It was as if it was shut down. When another altar who was able
to see was the activity came back. That's the power of the association.
When we're talking about this as a foundation of reality, and I think this
supports so much of what we know and the idea that we accept and try
to battle against material science today that suggests that the brain creates consciousness doesn't address
what's called in philosophy the hard problem of consciousness, which is, if there's
a world out there that's three, it's made of matter, and matter does
not have experience in it, which is the one thing that we know as
an ontological primitive, the one thing we can know exists is experience, and
it doesn't have that it's made of matter that doesn't have that. And then
your brain, which is also made of matter because we're physical, somehow gives
rise to consciousness. And they can't explain that. There's no way you can
deduce from reducing down to the small constituent parts, what it is to taste
chocolate, what it is to feel fear. Those emotional things are quality,
are qualitative experiences. You can't explain those in reduction of material parts. You
can't. And so this worldview that we all adhere to has some problems.
Think about even I took my son to a virtual reality place one time in
New York City and you put the goggles on. If you've ever done virtual
reality, if your brain, oh, if your brain created your consciousness,
it would tell you that you're in a facility, you're walking on a carpet.
Totally fine. But they have this simulation you go into where you're walking
on a steel girder, hundreds of stories above the city of New York,
and you get all the feelings of vertigo, fear of heights, off balance.
You're kind of walking with trepidation because your perception is the first thing you
know. Measurement doesn't come before experience a perception, right, And again,
this whole philosophy mumbo jumbo stuff is important because when we talk about paranormal evidence
or I caught a ghost, I saw a ghost, I heard a ghost,
I recorded a ghost. That stuff is all us conveying experience that we
perceived, and then we're told that we're delusional or this stuff is wrong because
it's being explained away by a materialist or physical science worldview, which is what's
accepted right now. This is why it's important because if that world you can't
explain qualitative experiences, it shouldn't be debunking it or saying it doesn't exist either.
And it's so contradictory. You tell me you saw a ghost, and
then some skeptic goes, it's a you're hallucinating. By saying you're hallucinating,
they're denying the very point they're trying to make. Because what is a hallucination.
It's a phenomenal conscious experience. See what I'm saying. We have to
unseat this mindset because that is what makes our paranormal stuff this freaky out there
that doesn't make sense because it can't be explained. Let's dismiss it. Stuff
that's why. But you perceive first. They try to say that the physical
world is out there and if it doesn't fit into that, it's a bunch
of bullshit. But think about that measurements of things. You can't measure something
to have physicality until you perceive it. You see a table or a chair
or a rock, perceive it. Now that you've had this experience, then
you can apply a measurement to it. And now you have a measurement.
You can't hand me five killer hurts. You can't hand me five pounds.
And people go, well, I could pick up this dumbell here and this
thing weighs five pounds, so I can give you that. But you only
know it weighs five pounds because you perceived it and then measured it. And
then even still it doesn't exist because it's not the thing in and of itself.
The measurement is just a description of the thing. And that's what we
do a lot. We perceive something and we think that what we see is
the thing in its entirety. I mean something you just mentioned there about picking
up something that weighs five pounds. Take that to the moon. That it
won't weigh five pounds, will it right, right, right, let's look
at other perception right, No, for sure, but the fact that they
think it weighs five pounds is a measurement that was given to something that was
first perceived. But it isn't. It isn't the thing in and of itself.
We have sensor input to take in the salient points that we need to
survive to navigate life, not to take in every single aspect and detail of
reality itself. Our heads would explode. We would be, as doctor Casp
says, we would be in tropic soup. We would just dissolve. It
would be too much. Think about when you use your computer. It's the
same idea. You go to your desktop. There's a little folder, you
double click it, a little folder icon, right, it opens up another
folder. There's an icon, you double click it, and a video plays,
and there's music and sound and lights and they all right, this whole
experience. If you had to experience every line of code, every codec,
every extension that goes into that process of clicking three things, your head would
explode. You wouldn't understand. It would be too much. So you get
only what you need to navigate the interface, and that's our reality. Is
our interface. The pilot never thinks that the sky is the dashboard. He
knows that this is an interpretation of what is actually out there, but it's
not the thing itself. But we're told that these measurements and these calculations that
that they use to debunk paranormal stuff are the thing in of itself, and
it's not. That's not reality. If you put the measurement first, it's
like trying to take the terrain out of the map. Right. The colors
and lines and measurements on the map only makes sense because they reference and point
to something else. If you put the measurements first, there's no map.
So those are descriptions of the thing in of itself. It's not the thing
in and of itself. But this again, this is a perception thing too.
I've had people since we lectured on this say, you know, so
it's kind of like the matrix where it's it's a simulation. It's not a
simulation. It's just what we're able to perceive as reality presents itself to us
as a local manifestations or a representation of what's out there, but not everything
out there in and of itself. We're not capable in our short time on
this planet to take in every salient point of all of reality and every little
fine detail. It's too much. We wouldn't we wouldn't be able to process
that much information. So we take in what we can. But the simulation
is not is not the correct word for it too, because they can they
can simulate. Doctor Casper says, it's funny you can simulate on his computer.
He goes, I can simulate kidney function down to the molecular level of
accuracy, right, But that does not mean that his computer is going to
pee on his desk because the simulation is not the thing being simulated. It's
not the same as the experience. And when he says that I went that
it hit home for us because that's part of the confusion and part of the
quick sand do you actually yeah, yeah, I mean it's it allows us
to understand the difference between what we perceive and what actually is. Yeah.
Anyway, so when I eventually die, will I really care what goes on
in this world? Or we'll just sort of think, Oh, what's it.
I'm glad to get out of here. I'm going home. That's a
good question. I don't we don't pretend to know the answer to that.
We think, We think that because consciousness exists, we think and continues to
exist as what we believe, even under that idea, that idea of analytic
idealism, your consciousness continues, it reassimilates back into universal phenomenal consciousness. But
it was not for nothing. It doesn't just vanish. It's not gone.
Right, if you drop ink drops into a river, eventually they assimilate and
they disperse, so you don't maybe you can't see them, and it doesn't
have the same coherent look that it had when it was a representation, because
that's your body is a physical representation of who you are. But it's not
you yourself. It's how you're perceived to me through two dissociated boundaries, yours
and mine. So in our trans personal space, the world that we share,
that's what I perceive as you. But you've had different clothing, you've
had different jobs, you have different ideas and things, you were into a
different parts of your life, but you never identified as somebody else, right,
you always felt you were you. And it's not necessarily the name because
that was given to you. You could have been Philip Smith, not David
Young. And you'd still be the same person because the name was something that
you were acquired. You acquired that in your form now, but that's not
something that's inherent to who you are. We don't ever say I am a
body. We say I have a body. We don't never say I am
hunger. We say I have hunger because it's experience is the first thing that
we can know. So you will exist and continue on. And the materialist
worldview that's accepted is kind of sad in that way, right because according to
them, once you die and your physical form is gone, that's it you
see to exist. There's no more you. That's sad. So this this
whole thing was for nothing. Yeah, well whites, Yeah, I agreed.
Think about that? Does that? Does that? It doesn't even seem
to make sense, Like why would there be no And really what they're trying
to do with with particle physics and stuff is they're trying to find closure in
the physical model to be able to just kind of wrap it up because of
what they remove from a theological standpoint or from a philosophical standpoint of meaning is
now missing in this physical existence. According to that model, there's no meaning.
M So yeah, I think, I think again, I don't know.
I'm not a PhD. But the ones who are, who do a
lot of this research, we study their work. I read white papers and
I'm reading constantly. We think that consciousness continues. We think that what we're
communicating with its consciousness. We think these are excitations of universal phenomenal consciousness that
is impinging upon our dashboard of perception. And then even mediums too, by
the way, when they studied mediums with fMRI and EKG to look at brain
activity, I may mention so right earlier, actually, but they so.
They when they were yeah, they were computing complex thought they were having a
reduction in brain activity. Doctor Castrop did psychedelics, which reduces your brain activity
almost down to the closest thing to death. Previously you'd been told that that
lights it all up with activity. It doesn't. And under that he has
the most and people do have the most visceral and vivid experiences they've ever had.
So how do you explain consciousness being created by the brain. Yet when
the brain is as least active, your experience is the most vivid. And
there are offshoots of different studies of different things that people have different takes on
it. But our experience from studying analytic idealism under Bernardo Castrip and then looking
at how that model of reality seems to sink so well with paranormal experience and
what we think is happening. And it doesn't have to be mystical woo woo
stuff under that idea, but it does speak to it. It does seem
to allow for it to be natural. Have you in your studies have you
seen that the examples of reincarnation come back to you? You know? Have
you have you got any citations about that? Have you seen any evidence of
it? Your line of questioning is so cool because it works in sync with
with everything I just said. We I don't believe any of us in the
Satacom project, Tony Tree, Rathman, or Ords Consolved myself have had a
direct experience that we would consider reincarnation. But if you take into account everything
I just explained about universal phenomenal consciousness and analytic idealism as reality being men and
that we dissociate from it, and then when we die, the dissociation starts
to dissolve as we reassimilate back. I don't think under this idea, I
understand or I have a different concept of what I think we perceive to be
reincarnation, because if somebody was fully reincarnated and that consciousness continued and then was
reborn into a new physical vessel, and the new dissociation starts right, they
would identify with that person wholeheartedly that they were that's somebody else, and they
would not in any way identify I think, with the person that they were
told they were when they were born and when they first started becoming metacognitive,
which is knowing that you know, which is a thing that's very unique to
human beings, is that we not only experience, but we know that we
experience. That's metacognition from what we get the gifts of like guilt, anxiety,
depression, because we were able to keep reflecting on something and experiencing it
over and over again. So I think what happened when we have reincarnation because
there are cases like with I think children who have like knowledge they shouldn't have
about airplanes that were like in World War two, it was one, oh,
I shall language yourself that they'll come out with you. So I think
that these things were contributed to universal phenomenal consciousness and that sometimes the way that
and again another metaphor from Bernardo caspar If universal phenomenal consciousness is a large body
of water, like a lake, and then we are alters that split off
of it, We're like individual whirlpools, right, So sometimes when a lake
ripples, the behavior of that field of excitation could have things come into the
whirlpool from the greater body that maybe perhaps come from stuff like that. So
somebody might have within their conscious inner life if information that doesn't have any grounds
for acquisition in the life they are now, especially if it's a kid and
he's speaking to technical you know, equipment on an airplane form World War two
that they couldn't possibly know or even have researched. I think that's where it
comes from. I think it's it was put into the when the dissociation happened.
It was something that came from the bigger body, the universal phenomenal consciences
or the lake, and when the altar took place and something dissociated from it,
it filtered into it, it factored into it. So that's why they
still identify with who they are, but they have this information that feels firsthand,
first person perspective that they never acquired themselves because it came from that,
and it fits. It fits with a lot of the theories of like when
you see a ripple on a lake, it's not a thing, it's a
behavior of the field. It's not a thing itself, which we often do.
We name things specifically. And he'll say that you can't take the ripple
off the lake and go home with it. It's it's not a thing,
it's it's a behavior or an excitation of that field. Right when he go
like this, like this is a fist, So we give it a proper
name, so we think this thing exists, but it doesn't because now it
doesn't exist. So it was never a thing. It was a behavior that
you, through your subjective experience, perceived. But it's a behavior, it's
not a thing. Yeah, so that on the radio. But Rob was
showing it was hold his fist, so he's opening his hand, so it
comes not a fist basically, So it was best people on the radio.
Yes, okay, I'm sorry, Yeah, I forget that that this is
going to be an audio ports, right, So I'm holding a fist and
we give that a name, and we say that it's a thing that has
standalone existence, and then when I open my hand, there is no fist
because it was never a thing that had its own existence. It was a
behavior of the field of subjectivity. It was not a thing in and of
itself. And so that's for me, I think, especially as we're diving
more into analytic idealism as a philosophy of mind, I think that's where what
we experienced to be reincarnation comes from. I think it's part of somebody's whirlpool.
There were selfgo personal in our life that came in through the greater consciousness,
which is universal phenomenal consciousness, and stuff that was input into it came
into their existence. Is this is what people in this philosophy think would explain
near death experience. When somebody comes back and reports on something that they saw
when technically they shouldn't have been able to do it, that they were able
to through somebody else perceiving it, and maybe they're able to report on what's
happening in the room because of the doctors and nurses or other people who are
dissociated but still connected to universal consciences are seeing and reporting to themselves this experience.
And so now if they're not functioning in their body, so they have
one less associated boundary. They have access to these inner workings that are coming
from the inner lives of people to perceive and then report back what it is
that was happening at the time that they were under it. Let's say,
yeah, no, a lot of that must make sense. Actually, it's
brilliant. I think I'll warn you out now. I'm looking forward to seeing
you in September. Now, I hope we can do this again before September,
because it'd be great to get lord Is on then maybe the whole team
one at some point later on in the year before we go before see you
in September. Now, for anyone just sting out there to Ron has been
fascinated as much as I have been. Ron's got four books that you can
get on Amazon. I've got the titles down here are normally speaking, he
is the first one. The second one is The Magical World of Electronic Spirit
Communication. That's the that's it. Now, I'm going to get all four
of these before I see you, so I hope you're sail them for me.
I have to be honored to do that. And the other one is
Tdso the Practical Sales initiative, and the latest one, as I understand it,
I believe it's the latest one is the Memoirs of an Academic Layperson.
And so it's four books. But that's all four books you're written within two
years, which is quite amazing. Working on five now. It's also the
fifth on September. I'm hoping it will be. Yeah, it's already,
it's already underway. I don't know if you know Richard step I know the
name. Yeah, he's in the States now, but I believe that his
home is in the UK, where he's originally from. He's got several books
written, well fifty or and some of them are I think his are more
stories or he tells about places. It's not not the same type of nonfiction
that I write. But he's very prolific. And he has a book called
The Right the Writer's Life or the Right Life, but wr I te the
Right Life that was given to me, and it talks about if you just
if for people who want to author a book, if you write a page
a day Monday through Friday, that's twenty pages a month. In five months,
you've got one hundred pages. In ten months, you've got two hundred
pages, which is a book, and that's really low balling it. So
I mean, if you if you put some time into it, you can
you can't make it work. My book's kind of chronicle my journey. Some
of my beliefs or ideas may be consistent from book one through four, and
some I add to my repertoire of what I'll talk about or the way I
see things, because I reserve the right to both learn and be wrong,
and I've acquired different things. The philosophy thing is maybe a year or so.
What we're doing now, the analytic idealism, it's a little bit in
the Paranormalization Memoirs book that just came out in October, but I'll get more
into that stuff because I think as an underpinning for reality, I think it's
a gift to the field to look at not my work, but the work
of people like Bernardo Kspup, who's a philosopher, computer science engineer to PhD
individual and the way he explains the nature of reality, because it does allow
for this stuff to become completely natural, and if you change the arena within
which we argue the validity of this stuff. Most of the cynic skeptics are
usually materialist, atheist people who's just thrown out numbers and measurements and calculations and
stuff. So this changes the game. So I think my book's chronicle,
you know, my growth in this field too. So the academic layperson comes
from a term that I read in an academic white paper by a gentleman named
Tom Butler that talks about the academic layperson partition where people who know scientific method
and theory and practice under the strictest conditions are not the people who are doing
the lion's share of aggregating data to examine for paranormality. That's mostly done by
the lay people, and these two groups are not working together. So the
academic lay person was a role that I wanted to try to step into,
which is to say, I'm not a PhD, but I am. I
do have a bachelor's in communications, and I do have of years of study
in both communications and philosophy. I was a satirist. I did stand up
comedy, and I think satire has you looking at continuity of thought, hypocrisy,
redundancy for humorous effect. But it sure does help when we're looking at
this stuff now, because I see a lot of what's axiomatic. A lot
of our beliefs in the paranormal or axioms. These are like in America,
Thanksgiving and a turkey just goes together. You don't question it. And I
think we do that in the field, and we need to sometimes not just
with the philosophy part of it, but just we need to look at these
things and go why why is that the case? Right? You go on
a website to buy a ghost box, and as an accessory, they'll sell
you a Faraday patch, which is to do what which is to it doesn't
block People think it blocks the radio signal. It doesn't. It conducts it
around and away from the radio. But you're buying a radio and the first
thing you want to do is make it not a radio. The ghost box
sweeps through broadcasts and through fragmentation is supposedly how the spirits are making the words
it's communicating. So something that is inherent to the modality working is the first
thing people look to dismantle. They disconnect the radio, they want to put
a Faraday pouch on it. Then they run a three point five millimeter plug
out of the pouch from the very protected radio to a little orbital speaker and
guess what they just did with that wire, They recreated the antenna. Yeah,
so why would you do Plus, you're supposed to be sweeping radio,
when if you're not sweeping radio, you're sweeping white noise. And there is
absolutely zero empirical evidence that suggest that sweeping white noise does anything. And if
you have just white noise, direct radio voice staticom which produces longer, cleaner,
easier to sort messages in our opinion from our work, so we don't
think even the ghost boxes, we don't think that they work on sweeping and
chopping up vocal fragments. I know academia looks at that like it's not valid,
Like how fast would spirits be having to put different sounds and altphones and
phonemes in the right place at the right time to make words mean? It's
it's mind numbing. But if they're using the white noise even on the boxes
through stochastic resonance matching a frequency within the white noise and then those two resonating,
that would explain how ghost boxes work, and they do, and it
certainly would explain how what we do would work. If your white noise something
enters into it, it resonates at one of those frequencies becomes detectable. The
rest of the white noise stays evial amplitude. And if to tie this up
in a bon nicely, the two skepticisms that itc always gets you're picking up
radio bleed through or leakage from the radio right with the ghost boxes. So
now we remove the radio static hom The only other thing they can say,
and we get this still sometimes is you're is you're hearing warbles and artifacts of
sound that you think are words through paradilia. And the reason they say that
is because that you can always discern they say, patterns in randomness and white
noises random. So to that, I say, first, to say that
we can discern patterns is speaking directly to our intellect, because that's how we
communicate, right, Patterns of noises and fragments of sound put together to form
sentences and words is how I identify what you're saying. So saying that I'm
capable of doing that is not a detriment that takes away from I think I'm
hearing communication. It supports it, second of all, and this scientifically is
a sound concept. Random is an empty drawer. Whenever you hear somebody say
that, I hope this reminds you of this this moment. Randomness is what
we say when we can't measure or model something. We can't calculate it in
the moment. It's not plausible or possible, so we therefore we say it's
random. Coin tosses aren't random. It's the angle of the toss, it's
barometric petitor, it's wind speed. There's a variety of things that are deterministic
in the outcome. But you're not going to see them measuring those things on
the fifty yard line at the super Bowl. So they say that the toss
is random. White noise is not random. What it is it's computationally irreducible.
They can't measure it at the moment, but we know that it's equal
amplitude, and we have variances in it, and it matches and coincides with
a timed relevant answer that we can discern as speech. And we don't ever
identify the dog screaming anything. Oh, the dog wants the car keys because
he went We know that not speech. We can discern. All right,
so it's not random. This whole paradolia thing gets tossed around like WebMD throws
around headache. Yeah, it's a symptom of everything. Stop it happens.
But just because I misunderstand you doesn't mean you didn't speak in a language that
I know. It means I misunderstood you. And if we had paradolia happening
at the rate that people record paranoral evidence, if that was a valid explanation
to dismiss it, all people would be malfunctioning throughout daily life constantly because of
paradolia. Right, you'd go into your supervisor and you go, you're fired.
You go, what a raise? Fantastic? Oh, I'm sorry.
Paradilia, my prescription ran out. It doesn't happen. There's no data to
support that. Stop paradolia. We can see why you were a stand up
comedian. Well, I remember when I was in school that the teachers that
were entertaining or made it fun at all. You remembered that more and it
was it made it more approachable, more digestible. So yeah, I'd use
levity in some ways where I can to convey the points or at least what
I'm trying to think. And I don't think I am right, and I
have all the answers, even in my books. If you agree with all
of it, some of it, none of it. If I made you
think about what you actually do think and it's in league with this in part
or not at all, that's good because that's the thing I think that we
need to do, is we need to think more and from our experience now,
I think that we need to think more, and we need to include
meaning, which is what philosophy attempts to tell us what reality is. Physics
tells us what it does. So I don't think as a science behind the
paranorl physics is or even quantum physics is enough. It gives us an understanding
to model and track behavior, but we need to have an understanding of what
we believe reality is. So I think that these are verticals that we need
to look at in big picture to try to figure this stuff out. So
if I inspire thought in some way, I'm happy to do that. I
don't pretend to be an expert in any of this stuff. I'm a student
and all of it, and a lot of the stuff I study I don't
hear people talking about in the field, so I'm trying to be the one
to bring it out. The plan for staticom is it going to be something
that you can sell as a machine or is it going to be software or
app or something like that. That's a good question, it deserves an answer.
So when Lais and I started doing direct radio voice, we were doing
it for three years before anybody even knew we were doing it. And then
we started going out to events and bringing this big boombox world band radio,
just playing white noise and seeing what would happen, which was not as intriguing
to people who were used to the instant gratification of a ghost box. The
more we evolved the process, and then with the rath Men's getting involved,
and then where it became statacom where the live field and slowing it down and
made as each year went by the vocals got clearer easier to discern. It
was all done for the what if purposes of, you know, could we
do what we saw Marcello Bacchi or Annabel Cordoso do with pure white noise from
a vacant channel. Could we replicate that? And then when we saw that
it seemed like we could, the next thing we wanted to do was see
if we could vet the process for being genuine even more, which is why
I appreciate that you allowed me to speak to the two cynicisms of itc being
radio leakage or bleed through and then the randomness discernment from white noise, because
those are the two main things. And then the randomness thing also as a
as a part one of the whole paradolia thing. So we took that process
and we again just for research, wanted to see if we could vet the
authenticity of it, because we not only wanted to replicate what we saw done
before, we wanted to make sure that we weren't fooling ourselves or missing something
that was a huge pitfall that could be creating on this and we don't even
know we're doing it ourselves, so that was why we had done it.
The model itself is a closed circuit system, so Statacom is a generator that
makes live white noise. It goes to an interface. The interface goes into
the computer, which is where the software components are, and then that goes
directly to a speaker. Does no microphone or ambient input for anything in the
room to influence it. It does not receive or record signal from radio or
microphone, so it can't be influenced from outside either, so variance is in
the white noise or in what you hear audibly should not technically be happening.
We're availing whoever's communicating white noise, and then we're filtering it out before you
hear it, so what you only hear in the end is vocal. A
lot of the components that are in the software are part of it, are
proprietory, some of them are free. Some of them we paid for over
the years, so there is an expense element to that, and when we
paid for them, we license some of them. So not only we don't
believe we can sell someone's licensed product as an ingredient of a bigger product that
we make, but if we did that, we would have how many hundreds
or thousands of licenses in our name with different software developers who made different components
that are really primarily for music production. Right, So here's what will happen,
and we don't know when. Because Tony Rathman just made a breakthrough and
the clarity of the vocals within the last couple of weeks. So we now
called it two point zero because I felt like it was enough of an improvement
that were warranted to have something to delineate that it was a step up.
What will probably happen at some point when we can do it would be we
would sell a consult with a mapping where we would say we'll put have it
on a website, right, and we'll have a you can download a PDF
and it will show you all the components which are literally chained together through what's
called a digital audio workspace or a virtual studio BST, and these are the
order that they go, and then each one will have a separate page.
These are the settings that goes for this one. And like I mentioned earlier,
if you move the third component to the sixth spot and move the sixth
component to the third spot, everything that happens after the third spot has all
be recalibrated or changed because it's going to affect the flow. So it's very
intricate. So we'll probably sell a consult with a mapping that shows the chain,
what goes after, what what the settings are for each Maybe some fccues
will be addressed on the site. Because we don't have the manpower or the
time to geek squad the entire process for everybody, and we didn't have the
luxury of that. When I started doing it, I didn't have anybody,
and then when Tony got on board and I taught him how to do it.
Now, when I've had technical problems, he and I will be on
a two hour video call like this and he'll help me, and then when
he has a problem, I'll help him. And that's two hours between two
people who developed this and who know what we're doing, or so we think.
So we want to make it available, but there will be a certain
onus of understanding and responsibility on the operator, and through that somebody might take
something that we've done, you know, when we're all gone, or maybe
before we're gone, and make it better. So we also don't want to
preach this is it my way or the highway, because there you know,
if we had done that, we would have even developed this. So we
want to encourage experimentation with and there are a few people out there now who
are trying to copy or replicate the model. Some of them are easy to
see because they're using some of the components we use that are visible when we
put video out before. But there's a whole bunch of stuff that's hidden that
you don't see because we don't have the screen real estate to show everything.
That's how many components are at play here. So that's the answer is it
was never done to go to market. It was done purely for research.
I mentioned even earlier Tony made Ghostbox for eleven years, he never sold one.
He was also just about the research. So we didn't have a plan
to go to market with this thing when it started getting traction and then,
based on what I just explained, I think that the website, FAQ's training
videos and a consult would be the way we we be able to put this
out there for people. We couldn't do one on one installations and and support.
It would just be too much. Yeah, sure, yeah, okay,
yes, thank you for for that. That's a you've answered the question.
Yeah. Oh, like the method, it's a long, it's a
long, drunout explanation. But I like to speak to it at length like
that. Just because it's it. People will think, oh, well,
this should be in the hands of everybody, what you're doing. It shouldn't
just be you guys, And well, we agree, but by the same
token, we also wanted to make sure you know it was developed enough where
we were comfortable putting what if I sold you version one point zero for a
couple of grand or one hundreds of dollars or whatever it was, and then
all of a sudden we make it a change, and now you've got to
update your whole thing because we're not going to roll out update. It's like
an app, and I don't think it'll be an app. I don't think
there'll be an app version of it. I mean, Tony and I both
had to get gaming computers to have the resources to run all of this.
I outgrew my first Windows Surface Pro tablet PC trying to run static time as
it built out, it matched it out. So I don't know that all
that is going to fit into a phone. I know there are very powerful
phones, but I don't think, yeah, not that powerful. Interested anyway,
But anyway, thanks for that run, brilliant. Well, it's been
absolutely fascinating. Really, it's been an honor. I appreciate your time and
having me on, and I know I appreciate your time. It's been fantastic
and I really would like to get you on again with with lord Is next
time, and maybe even the rest of the team. As I said,
maybe we can think about July August time. We'll have to try and get
together and before the before the festival, and that would be fantastic. And
the ladies from the festival are awesome people. Great, you'll have a great
time. Nice try and get your trunk, but no, you'll have you'll
have a great time. And the whole team are great. Yeah, you'll
find you'll make a lot of friends and that's gonna be fantastic. But all
all your books, I'll put them on the Paranormal Dimensions page on Facebook.
I've got a show page. I'll put all the links I can towards you,
and hopefully we'll get lord Is on the next show as well, at
least. Yeah, it'd be good to get everybody here, but I'll let
you go there. Roder, thank you for your time. It's been fantastic
talking to you. Thanks for letting me share and having me on. And
I'll look forward to doing it again. Yeah, please do, and you
take care of yourself and I'll look forward to seeing you and we'll fix it
out of the show. Please. It's been great, all right, thanks
for coming on. Thank you, take care of yourself. Thank you too,
sir, very much. Thank thank you Ron. That was superb.
Well. I am so looking forward to September and to getting you back on
the show before that. Now, for my next show, I've got a
man named Jason Thornton. Now, Jason claims to have been abducted by aliens.
He's never been on a show before, but he does have a couple
of Facebook pages that he runs. They do seem pretty convincing. So I
intend to find out what Jason's all about and investigate his claims. From what
I've seen, they do seem pretty convincing. But that will be auple to
use the decide, of course at the end of the day. So that
next show is on Monday, the first of April. Yeah, it's not
a joke, okay, that's just an unfortunate date that Jason's been numbered with
no reflection on Jason, all right, So that's Jason Thornton on Monday,
the first of April. Right, of course, there's always if you'd like
to get in touch with me between now and then, My email address is
David Young too QN at yahoo dot co dot uk. That's David Young to
q in at Yahoo dot co dot uk. So until that next show on
the first of April, Monday with Jason Thornton, I wish you all well,
and I'll speak. Do you think it's like here? Who are?
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