1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:06,599 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best in paranormal talk radio 2 00:00:06,799 --> 00:00:13,320 in the UK and around the world. Paranormal Dimensions is fortnightly on Mondays on 3 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:19,120 the Paranormal UK Radio Network. I bet if you go inside cooperate voluntarily. 4 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,160 If you do, I give you my word that you will not be harmed, 5 00:00:21,199 --> 00:00:23,879 but your mind's changed in any way. Let me know when you've got 6 00:00:23,879 --> 00:01:04,439 your instruments ready and I need all the figures I can get good detail. 7 00:01:06,079 --> 00:01:10,560 This is Sir Patrick Moore and you're listening for the Paranormal or the UK Radio 8 00:01:10,599 --> 00:01:17,000 Network, the UK's biggest paranormal radio network, and this is Paranormal Dimensions with 9 00:01:17,159 --> 00:01:22,359 David Ya. You're moving into a land of both shadow and substance of things 10 00:01:22,439 --> 00:01:26,959 and ideas. It's going to be definitely interesting. It's something you don't want 11 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:38,599 to miss. Hello and welcome to the show. This is another extra special 12 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:44,840 Paranormal Dimensions. I'm David Young. Now you may have heard me mentioned the 13 00:01:44,879 --> 00:01:49,519 Festival of the Unexplained quite a few times over the last few shows. Well, 14 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,719 my guest today is one of the speakers coming over from the US for 15 00:01:53,799 --> 00:01:57,000 the festival, and his name is Ron Yacobetti. Now, if you're interested 16 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:01,920 in EVPs, as we all are, Ron has a special ongoing project called 17 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:06,799 the Staticon Project, and Ron's gonna tell us all about it on this show 18 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:08,599 today. So I don't want to watch it any more time. I'd like 19 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:14,479 to introduce Ron Yakobetti to the show. A Rod Welcome to the show. 20 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,080 Thank you very much David for having me. I've been looking forward to this. 21 00:02:17,599 --> 00:02:24,599 I'm representing four members of the Statacom project team, which is a lot 22 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,400 to carry, but I'm gonna do what I can. No, I'm sure, 23 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,680 I'm sure you'll do find Ron dob You're you're the front man anyway, 24 00:02:31,719 --> 00:02:38,520 are you really? We don't. It's so funny at the very inception of 25 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,319 when we started doing direct radio voice, which led to statu Com, which 26 00:02:43,319 --> 00:02:50,240 we'll get into. I started the movement in that sense because I wasn't building 27 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,840 ghost boxes, and I looked for alternative things to learn and try, and 28 00:02:53,879 --> 00:02:55,159 then so I'm the one that said, hey, let's try this direct radio 29 00:02:55,199 --> 00:03:00,879 voice thing that seems to be highly neglected in paranormal research and investigating and ghost 30 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:06,840 hunting or whatever you know, whatever label it gets. So in that sense. 31 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,080 Yeah, I started the ball rolling, but especially now that it's called 32 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:15,360 Statacom. Watis and I have been doing this for five or so years, 33 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,479 and then Tony and Tree Rapman got on board with us around two years or 34 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:25,520 so ago, and their impact has been phenomenal. He just made an uh 35 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:30,080 an improvement by gutting some of the process, which is a big undertaking because 36 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:35,000 when you change one component or one setting, everything that follows it. In 37 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,439 our whole setup and I'll explain the setup, everything that follows it is affected. 38 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,639 Yeah. Yeah, you can't tweak one thing and walk away. It's 39 00:03:44,759 --> 00:03:46,960 you got to look at everything after this. So he made a big change 40 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:51,120 recently. So yeah, I would say that the concept of a front man 41 00:03:51,159 --> 00:03:53,039 we don't really have. We try to walk in lockstep with the four of 42 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:59,919 us because everybody's participation in this, especially since we made it statacom, is 43 00:04:00,159 --> 00:04:03,360 a big deal. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I guess you're not 44 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,960 going to talk yourself down. I don't want to talk. But you are 45 00:04:08,039 --> 00:04:12,919 the man that we know really over here. And yeah, so I think 46 00:04:13,479 --> 00:04:15,560 when I say front man, we know if you as the front man really, 47 00:04:15,639 --> 00:04:18,279 But yeah, I understand you've got a say that goes with it, 48 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,759 and Lord, this is very important as well, obviously, Yes, yes, 49 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:26,480 and I appreciate that. Yeah, no, we She and I started 50 00:04:26,519 --> 00:04:30,439 direct Radio Voice about five or six years ago, I think five and change 51 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:35,560 was in twenty nineteen, and then the Rathmans, who had built the ghost 52 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,959 boxes for eleven years, got on board, like I said, a few 53 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,399 years after that. So, and that's actually and that's one of the reasons 54 00:04:42,399 --> 00:04:46,519 why I'm grateful for this opportunity that you've given me, is because I don't 55 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:53,360 want to be the only one that they know over there or over here with 56 00:04:53,439 --> 00:04:56,720 regards to that. And then because our partners are in Arizona in the US, 57 00:04:56,759 --> 00:04:59,839 so we're on opposite sides of the continent. So some people will see 58 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,639 here do something and think this is his thing. Oh yeah, and some 59 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,439 people see us do something and as our thing. And so we're trying to 60 00:05:06,439 --> 00:05:12,240 make a concerted effort because we're all kind of in this together. So that's 61 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,879 I appreciate this opportunity for that reason. And so even when we come there, 62 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,519 our presentation and our lecture and what we do to demonstrate, it's going 63 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:25,199 to have elements of the Rathmans as well as gone jacka Adi Gonzalez here. 64 00:05:25,639 --> 00:05:28,319 Yeah, well let me turn that back on you. I'm pleased to have 65 00:05:28,399 --> 00:05:30,079 this opportunity. It's up to you. I mean, thank you for giving 66 00:05:30,079 --> 00:05:35,879 me the opportunity. So it works, it works both ways. But so 67 00:05:36,079 --> 00:05:40,560 anyway, the Fest of the Unexplained, I shall be meeting you at the 68 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,639 Fest of the Unexplained in September. I'm very excited to be doing that. 69 00:05:45,759 --> 00:05:49,040 Have you been to the UK before? I am the only one of us 70 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:54,560 two between Wortis and I who's been to the UK. I worked in in 71 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,439 the fight industry for a number of years and in broadcasting, and I was 72 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,480 there for a for a cage fight event by promotion called Cage Rage. Was 73 00:06:01,519 --> 00:06:06,800 working in alliance with the company that I was working for, and I got 74 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:12,439 to come over to Wembley for a few days to do an event. But 75 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,360 anybody who's ever worked in like events, whether it's sports or other stuff, 76 00:06:15,399 --> 00:06:21,240 there's not a lot of tourism time and sight seeing time and taking it all 77 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:26,120 in. I got to do very little of that, but I did get 78 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,800 to see some So this will be a completely different experience as far as that 79 00:06:30,879 --> 00:06:35,000 goes. So we're definitely looking forward to that, it seems did you say 80 00:06:35,079 --> 00:06:42,000 cage fighting? Yes? Is that what you used to do? So not 81 00:06:42,079 --> 00:06:44,839 as an athlete. I did train in some of the disciplines because I was 82 00:06:44,959 --> 00:06:47,439 part of my background in martial arts. And then to broadcast that, you 83 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,959 have to at least know what you're looking at. Yeah, I have. 84 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:57,199 I have a background that is steeped in things that people are afraid of, 85 00:06:57,759 --> 00:07:03,240 from the paranormal public speaking, I did stand up comedy, which is satire. 86 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:08,279 I'm going to ask you about that. Satire is a form of philosophy. 87 00:07:08,319 --> 00:07:13,720 I feel it has philosophical overtones. And then broadcasting with the fighters, 88 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,800 I would say professional fighters are probably the scariest of those three things. So 89 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:27,560 anyway, just in this, don't upset Rob when he comes over. It 90 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,279 won't happen. Well, I mean, I know everyone's looking forward to seeing 91 00:07:30,279 --> 00:07:34,279 you over here. I know there's quite an air of excitement about about all 92 00:07:34,279 --> 00:07:40,079 the guests. Actually you're you're just one of many great guests that are coming, 93 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,759 and I guess you even must be excited to be meeting some of these 94 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,079 other guests that are coming, or do you actually know some of them already? 95 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:55,720 Some? Yeah, the lineup is phenomenal. Oh, I appreciate it. 96 00:07:55,800 --> 00:08:01,079 We're honored to be included amongst those others on IT. Daniel Class from 97 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,839 Hinsdale House and from Death Walker Nick Roff. We know Daniel for a while. 98 00:08:05,079 --> 00:08:09,759 We know Shane Pittman. We've run into him in a couple events. 99 00:08:09,759 --> 00:08:11,000 We've never really spent a lot of time talking to him. We have a 100 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:16,600 lot of friends in common with him, probably more so than time in common 101 00:08:16,639 --> 00:08:20,439 with him, but we know each other. Dave Schrader we've gotten in a 102 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,800 little bit more recently at the New Jersey Power Unity Expo a couple months back 103 00:08:24,839 --> 00:08:30,240 that we do every year we do an ITC exhibit. He was intrigued by 104 00:08:30,279 --> 00:08:33,679 hearing about our stuff and he came back at the end of the expo to 105 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,679 experience or see what it was we were running. And he actually had like 106 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,600 a ten to fifteen minute dialogue with whoever was coming through the speaker through our 107 00:08:41,639 --> 00:08:46,519 method, and he was really really impressed from what he had said. And 108 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,600 so we were scheduled to be on his show at some point too. I 109 00:08:48,639 --> 00:08:52,240 think we had a reschedule because he had a Liaroniti's issue, But so we 110 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:58,679 know him. Doctor k Cherrell ghost Trip. Well, we don't know them 111 00:08:58,759 --> 00:09:03,120 yet, Cindy that we've not had the chance to cross paths with either. 112 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,840 And if I'm trying to think of if I'm missing Oh, Danny Moss, 113 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,519 We've got to know a little bit recently. Love loved his stuff. I 114 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,519 think he does great work. He's a great attitude for someone who's investigating this 115 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,879 kind of stuff, very thorough. And his name I think I had sent 116 00:09:18,919 --> 00:09:22,480 you that clip. His name came through a static count report. Yeah, 117 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,960 it's quite fascinating. Was that quite? Was that quite a shock for it 118 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:33,159 to come through for for you? Yeah, it's always yeah, I mean 119 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:37,519 it's always a shock that this is not It is so hard for this stuff 120 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:41,200 to go from magnificent to mundane, I think because it's really not in you 121 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:45,919 know how we've all been brought up, for the most part, whatever your 122 00:09:46,399 --> 00:09:50,120 cultural or religious backgrounds are, we're all kind of taught that this doesn't happen 123 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,279 or it's not real or so it never loses some of that some of that 124 00:09:54,399 --> 00:10:01,039 pizaz when you hear something because I'm not broadcasting out out with a microphone, 125 00:10:01,039 --> 00:10:03,159 I'm talking in the room like I'm talking to you right now. Something to 126 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,919 come through the system, which will explain how that works is it's it's still 127 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,360 mind boggling to hear it, and I know I hear it, and then 128 00:10:13,399 --> 00:10:16,159 I sent it to them and other people and including he even said it kind 129 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,279 of rules the Paradolia thing out because he heard it. Yeah, and other 130 00:10:18,399 --> 00:10:24,399 people other people heard it, so it never gets it never gets old in 131 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,440 that sense. I was going through testing some stuff and I was just seeing 132 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,799 if I can get names of any of the other speakers or presenters to come 133 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,159 through, and then I heard Danny Moss and I heard something about England, 134 00:10:35,159 --> 00:10:37,440 and I was like, wait, well, hold on, yeah, and 135 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,879 I went back and when we stopped recording and go back and see because I 136 00:10:39,879 --> 00:10:43,240 think there was an answer there, and yeah, funny one listening. So 137 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,399 this we'll be talking about. What's what Ron's talking about is on his equipment, 138 00:10:46,399 --> 00:10:50,120 which we will talk more about. He was asking some questions for it, 139 00:10:50,799 --> 00:10:54,879 and in came Danny Moss, who's one of the speakers in September at 140 00:10:54,879 --> 00:10:58,799 the festival. So Rob was quite surprised by that, and he was putting 141 00:10:58,799 --> 00:11:03,480 it down to a few of us so to get our opinions on the name 142 00:11:03,519 --> 00:11:07,440 that came through, and like you say, it's that's that's what came through. 143 00:11:07,879 --> 00:11:11,279 Now, I guess we'll get into kind of how it comes about. 144 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,840 I'm not quite sure where to what to ask you for. What we're going 145 00:11:16,879 --> 00:11:20,559 to be doing on the festival is we're going to be doing. There's a 146 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,399 couple of days out. I guess you'll be coming on the days out, 147 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,279 will you as well? Yes, I think we're coming on the Wednesday. 148 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:31,240 They're they're taking care of the travel stuff, I think now, yeah, 149 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:35,399 because on the Thursday we're going to the Galleries of Justice in Nottingham, so 150 00:11:37,039 --> 00:11:41,399 hopefully we might see a demonstration if your staticome there, will we Yes, 151 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:46,879 I need these are my be princess mandatory requirements to do what I do. 152 00:11:48,159 --> 00:11:50,679 I need a table, two chairs and so to plug in. There's plenty 153 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,240 of those. There's plenty of those. That's all I need. And I 154 00:11:54,279 --> 00:11:58,240 and we've used a power bank before when there's an issue with you know, 155 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,120 maybe no electricity on the floor of a certain house or we can do that 156 00:12:01,159 --> 00:12:05,840 also. But just that's pretty much all we need. So yeah, if 157 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,440 we're going to be able to run it somewhere like that, well, it's 158 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,600 a fantastic. It's I've got to tell you know, it's a fantastic venue 159 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,559 with court rooms and all sorts of things, and there's been all sorts of 160 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:20,480 things seen there, quite a few spooks if your life, if you want 161 00:12:20,519 --> 00:12:24,080 to see it, we've got there's a there's like a a prison area downstairs, 162 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:28,919 and there's like a cave area even further down where they used to put 163 00:12:28,039 --> 00:12:31,519 the poor people back in the old days. So it's going to be quite 164 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,240 exciting. And I think it's going to be quite exciting seeing you, Cindy. 165 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:41,000 Yeah, seeing how you maybe work together or separately, and how you 166 00:12:41,039 --> 00:12:45,799 compare things that you actually the results that you're coming up with. Yeah, 167 00:12:45,799 --> 00:12:48,120 that's the voice of experience talking, because somebody new might not think to say 168 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:52,720 something like you just said. We're looking forward to that. We have had 169 00:12:54,320 --> 00:13:01,799 experiences running staticcom and previously under the banner of direct radio voice with talented some 170 00:13:01,919 --> 00:13:07,039 very talented mediums, and we have gotten stuff that that corroborated either what they 171 00:13:07,159 --> 00:13:09,960 thought and then it would come out of our device, or we would get 172 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,679 something and then they would be able to come up with something on top of 173 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:18,039 that that was in league with whoever this resonated with to begin with, and 174 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:22,200 it's not I know, there's a lot of different thoughts based on different things 175 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,159 from the Filip experiment everything else. We can get into that, but it's 176 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:33,279 not influenced by like the mediums not coming through our device or vice versa. 177 00:13:33,519 --> 00:13:39,000 So it was fascinating. Cindy was on I know, with with I think 178 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,039 with Karen, we're all doing a little pre interviews kind of like just to 179 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:48,679 talk about the festival and stuff. Yeah, and she knows us, but 180 00:13:48,759 --> 00:13:52,320 she doesn't really, I don't think she really knows what we do. She's 181 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:56,240 seen it yet and understandably so, I mean, this is not this is 182 00:13:56,279 --> 00:14:01,320 not a field where memorizing everybody in it is easy. We've not had a 183 00:14:01,399 --> 00:14:05,679 chance to cross path with her before, but hopefully by the time that weekend's 184 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,639 done, she'll be quite familiar with what we do. I mean, most 185 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:15,720 people in the paranormal field, especially I know in the States, they're most 186 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:20,440 familiar with the methodology of the ghost box or the spirit box, and usually 187 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,960 in league with that with those who are the ones who build or sell them, 188 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:31,919 is it. Yeah, So we're coming a little bit out of left 189 00:14:31,919 --> 00:14:35,000 field with this because this is and actually for us, one of the things 190 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,360 that's really cool is this is a homecoming for our method, because maybe this 191 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:45,639 is a good time to explain it. Statacom was born of us resurrecting what's 192 00:14:45,679 --> 00:14:48,200 called direct radio voice. Now I'm not saying we're the only ones on the 193 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,840 planet doing it, but what I am saying is that from the ghost hunting 194 00:14:50,879 --> 00:14:56,639 or paranormal investigator field or whatever where we both started, at least here, 195 00:14:56,559 --> 00:15:03,200 nobody was doing anything that was considered it outside of a sweeping ghost box. 196 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:09,519 That's it. I call it the If this translates, well, I call 197 00:15:09,559 --> 00:15:13,000 it the Q tip of the paranormal. The cotton swabs that used for our 198 00:15:13,039 --> 00:15:16,039 ears. It's actually a cotton swab, but people call it a Q tip 199 00:15:16,039 --> 00:15:22,679 because of the brand made itself synonymous with the item, and in the paranormal, 200 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:26,240 the ghost box or the spear box has made itself synonymous with itc with 201 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:31,960 instrumental transmmunication. So when we started doing this just pure white noise jazz from 202 00:15:33,039 --> 00:15:37,360 direct radio voice, it was an oddity at first, and then it's only 203 00:15:37,399 --> 00:15:43,759 when it started to yield undeniable results with the least amount of low hanging fruit 204 00:15:43,799 --> 00:15:48,559 for the cynic involved and with an efficacy of how it worked that exceeded I 205 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:54,080 think what the ghostbox modality can do. Then that's when it started to gain 206 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:58,240 some traction and start, I guess generating a buzz amongst people who had seen 207 00:15:58,279 --> 00:16:00,879 it in asking if other people have you seen this kind of a thing. 208 00:16:02,919 --> 00:16:06,519 But the core of it is for direct radio voice. This is a homecoming 209 00:16:06,519 --> 00:16:11,159 because it is a method where EVP and ITC research was born in Europe. 210 00:16:11,879 --> 00:16:18,600 It is not an American phenomenon. The American contribution to ITC not entirely, 211 00:16:18,639 --> 00:16:22,600 but for the most part is Frank Sumption in the Sweeping ghost Box, and 212 00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:30,480 I'm probably in ITC circles not celebrated for this viewpoint. But while I do 213 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:36,799 believe that they work, we own some. They're fantastic, they're portable. 214 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,559 However, I don't think that the Sweeping ghost Box, which came after direct 215 00:16:41,639 --> 00:16:47,519 Radio Voice, which was born out of EVP research where they use white noise 216 00:16:47,559 --> 00:16:51,279 for audio support, I don't think that the Sweeping ghost Box was a progression 217 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,519 of ITC. I think it was a diversion. I think it was an 218 00:16:55,559 --> 00:17:00,320 offshoot. It was an alternative path. That is ITC but does not. 219 00:17:00,679 --> 00:17:06,279 It does not build upon or expound upon what had already been done, almost 220 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:11,160 with no regard for what had been done. If you look at there's documentaries 221 00:17:11,279 --> 00:17:15,119 on Vimeo called Calling Earth, there's a forty five minute when I think it's 222 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:19,720 in French with subtitles about Marcello Bacci in Italy doing direct radio voice. And 223 00:17:19,759 --> 00:17:22,240 I watched that and I remember I looked at Lortis and I went, I've 224 00:17:22,279 --> 00:17:26,880 never seen anybody doing this. I can't imagine why, and I've never seen 225 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:32,079 a ghostbox do what he was getting at. It just pure white noise on 226 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:36,920 a vacant baron of all radio emissions, am like short medium move channel. 227 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:44,680 So we started to do it, and that was all we used. And 228 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,240 then I came across the books and writings who have now become a friend of 229 00:17:48,279 --> 00:17:52,680 mine, doctor Annabella Cordoso, who from a lineage point of view, she's 230 00:17:52,839 --> 00:18:00,759 I think the last surviving of the old Guard from ITC and EVP pioneers in 231 00:18:00,839 --> 00:18:07,160 Europe, Freudick Gergensen, Constantine Rodeve, Marcello Bacci and his wife. She 232 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:11,960 was good friends with Dr ernstin Kowski, physicist in Germany who came up with 233 00:18:11,039 --> 00:18:15,160 the term ITC, which I'm often not even sure how many people who say 234 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:19,279 their it TC people know that it was a German physicist who came up with 235 00:18:19,319 --> 00:18:22,720 the term. Well, you're coming up with a lot of names that I 236 00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:26,160 don't know. You know, it's not familiars. For me, it's and 237 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:33,480 I'm happy to to share those because it's it's so important for a variety of 238 00:18:33,519 --> 00:18:37,519 reasons to have an awareness and reverence for the people before us. If it 239 00:18:37,559 --> 00:18:42,400 was not for doctor Annaba Cordoso, I would not have dove headfirst into doing 240 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:48,960 direct radio voice and I would not be here now talking to you under this 241 00:18:48,079 --> 00:18:53,240 banner of this statam thing if it was not for her influence. So it's 242 00:18:53,279 --> 00:18:56,039 easy for, I think, for a lot of people who are new in 243 00:18:56,119 --> 00:19:03,079 paranormal stuff to do something and say, hey, this is new or maybe 244 00:19:03,079 --> 00:19:07,680 this hasn't been done before when it you know, not in all instances, 245 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:12,400 but in a lot of instances it has. And so out of reverence for 246 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:17,759 who's been there before, for whose foundation we stand upon to say this stuff 247 00:19:17,799 --> 00:19:23,519 is real, I think it's important to acknowledge and to know who they are. 248 00:19:23,559 --> 00:19:26,400 And then for a variety of other reasons, where's the science behind all 249 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:32,440 this stuff? Boom physicists Sinkowski. So, I mean there's a lot behind 250 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:37,240 it. And doctor Cordoso being anchored told those people legacy wise to me was 251 00:19:37,279 --> 00:19:40,920 a huge honor. She did the about the author for my first of the 252 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:45,480 four books I have out now on Amazon, and she to this day we 253 00:19:45,559 --> 00:19:52,319 still talk and she's impressed with the direction we've taken it, and that if 254 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,039 you want, because I do talk, I talk a lot time. That's 255 00:19:55,079 --> 00:19:56,400 great. Great. Now, I was going to ask you the question, 256 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,720 how did you actually you saw it that you were going to go down that 257 00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:07,920 route? Was the accidental or an accidental thing that happened or something else? 258 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,759 But it's something else, And that's a great question, and I'm glad you 259 00:20:10,799 --> 00:20:14,960 asked it because I I don't think I got asked that question enough, because 260 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,880 it's funny, and I'm you know, as much as I'm serious about trying 261 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:25,240 to approach this stuff academically as possible, I am not above mocking myself either, 262 00:20:25,319 --> 00:20:27,079 because it's kind of fun to have some levity in all we do. 263 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:36,240 The path really emerged for us because I loved itc The first time I had 264 00:20:36,279 --> 00:20:38,680 seen it was at the Glenn Taverna in Santa Paula, California. I originally 265 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,240 lived in Los Angeles when I started doing paranormal stuff. I'm now in the 266 00:20:42,279 --> 00:20:45,920 East Coast in New Jersey, right right across the river from New York City, 267 00:20:47,799 --> 00:20:48,839 but I was out in the West Coast at the time, and I 268 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:55,920 remember going to an event that had Chad Lindbergh from The Fast and Furious movies, 269 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:56,880 also that he was on a show with John L. Tenny I can't 270 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:06,880 remember what it's called. And the late what was her name, Debbie Constantino 271 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:12,680 was there, who was one of the two EVP experts or really prodigies, 272 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:18,240 her and her husband Mark, and they were using a spiritbox sp seven and 273 00:21:18,279 --> 00:21:22,640 it went around. Everybody introduced themselves and then the last people go, and 274 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,039 then Chad Lindbergh goes and Hi, my name is Chad. It's like thirty 275 00:21:26,039 --> 00:21:30,720 something people, and not even twenty seconds later, a voice comes out of 276 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,519 the spirit box speaker and goes, I know Chad, And I was like, 277 00:21:34,039 --> 00:21:38,000 what was that? Wow? How did that happen? What are you 278 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,279 running? What what is it called? And I was hooked on real time 279 00:21:41,319 --> 00:21:45,519 as much as EVP is fascinating to me to get voices out of thin air 280 00:21:45,559 --> 00:21:48,599 that really should not be there, that we don't detect with our ears. 281 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:53,799 To see that happen hook me. So then I went down that route. 282 00:21:53,880 --> 00:22:03,519 And so I'm not the build shelves and drawers and like massive amounts of tools, 283 00:22:03,599 --> 00:22:07,079 and I'm not the handy eye. It's not not my thing. So 284 00:22:08,039 --> 00:22:11,920 when I saw all the ghost box stuff and everybody building these different things and 285 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,839 soldering, I was like, that's not I'm not going to try to fit 286 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,720 into that mold. And I don't think if I started soldering that I would 287 00:22:19,759 --> 00:22:25,160 high five with all of the fingers that I currently have. I saw a 288 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,400 lot of that. Believe you, I don't that was much right. Yeah, 289 00:22:27,519 --> 00:22:30,599 a lot of people are really good at it. So to answer your 290 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:37,839 question in short after that long explanation with humorous undertones, is that it was 291 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,880 kind of born out of an inadequacy. I feel like because I was not 292 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:47,319 good at doing what was the standard anybody in ITC. I know here in 293 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:52,359 the States who was known, who was a name that you recognize on ITC 294 00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:56,640 was somebody who was a builder. They were building boxes. So when we 295 00:22:56,799 --> 00:23:02,359 started to emerge with this direct radio voice thing. We were shaking that mold 296 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:07,519 a little bit, and we were adding another lane to this path, and 297 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:12,440 itc that had kind of been neglected. So it was from that feeling of 298 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:17,160 inadequacy, like I didn't think I was going to be another builder, and 299 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:22,240 then I was kind of just enamored by the fact that nobody was doing what 300 00:23:22,519 --> 00:23:26,480 Bachi had really made famous. Jurgensen obviously was the pioneer of direct radio voice 301 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,440 out of EVP research and doctor Nabaut Cordoso. There was a couple in Luxembourg 302 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,119 called the harsh Fishbacks, Maggie and Jules harsh Fishback, who got some amazing 303 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:38,200 stuff and all these people just with the pure white noise, and I was 304 00:23:38,279 --> 00:23:42,720 like, I can't understand why nobody's trying to continue that. Or further that, 305 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,839 the Frank's Box and the sweeping ghost box modality took root because it was 306 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,759 done here. The TV shows that popularized and mainstreamed a lot of the paranormal 307 00:23:53,079 --> 00:24:02,319 done here. Convenient mobile to carry around, instant gratification because you do get 308 00:24:02,319 --> 00:24:07,880 stuff fast a lot of times from that, So that's how that became my 309 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,799 path. And then since we've been doing this, we have a lot of 310 00:24:11,839 --> 00:24:17,440 different ideas. It rooted in in philosophy of mind, rooted in how the 311 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:22,599 methodologies even of the ghost box, from what we learned in our own method 312 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,599 and its research, how we think that they're actually redefined to work a different 313 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,960 way. So whatever your next rabbit hole is, let's do it. But 314 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,240 that's that's the answer. I was not going to be welding stuff, and 315 00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:37,119 I looked for a different way to contribute or dive into it t C. 316 00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:41,720 And that's and that's how I found direct radio voice. Yeah, very interesting. 317 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,400 No, just called of wonder if you people call the fall into things 318 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,759 by accidents sometimes, don't they? So I mean, did you actually use 319 00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:56,319 a little b VP equipment before that in your investigations? So I did. 320 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:02,000 I always I always found vocal phenomenon to be most impressive because you can voice 321 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:06,440 print and speak into software and see if the words on a spectrograph look like 322 00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:08,359 the words you think you're hearing when you look at what you're recorded. So 323 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,960 it had it had a verifiable element to it. It's also what's called a 324 00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:18,880 permanent paranormal object or a PPO, because you you can get touched or pushed 325 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,119 or feel your hair tugged at an event. And I do believe these you 326 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,640 know, these experiences happen, But once the moment of experience is gone, 327 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:32,119 it does not lend itself to being re examined or shared and having other people 328 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:37,799 see it, where audio or visual stuff does. But also a lot of 329 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,799 time, can you really believe those people that side they've been pushed or at 330 00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:45,319 their hairpuol. There's there's there's always that element, isn't it. You never 331 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,839 know, especially if you're in amongst a bunch of strangers. You know, 332 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,000 yeah, well this and this is a good thing to bring up too, 333 00:25:52,039 --> 00:26:00,880 because I think that personal integrity and one's ability to assimilate in to a community 334 00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:03,599 is a big deal. There's a lot of what they call paradrama going on 335 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:11,680 these days where everybody's slinging accusations of being frauds at other people at this is 336 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,720 not right, they don't do this. The thing is is that you are 337 00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:22,519 solely responsible for the impression that you give to other people. And so I 338 00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:26,039 hold myself to a standard lortis and I will not ever get involved in any 339 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,920 of that drama stuff. If I think that your work is shoddy, if 340 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,279 I think you're you're kind of fraudulent. I won't work with it, but 341 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,920 I won't spend seventy two hours a week on social media talking about how I 342 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:44,559 think you're a fraud because now I'm wasting my life and energy on something. 343 00:26:44,759 --> 00:26:48,640 Absolutely, And then trust me, if you go down that path, if 344 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,039 one person sees you doing it, anybody who knows you thinks, what if 345 00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:56,079 he doesn't like me, why wouldn't you do that to me? You make 346 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:57,559 yourself you know, it's like killing one person, go oh, I only 347 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,279 killed him because he had orange shoes. Not normally I wouldn't do that. 348 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:11,000 Nobody's gonna believe that, right, So I think you have a you hold 349 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,359 yourself to a standard, and that's it, and that's it. But I 350 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,640 do think it's important the integrity part comes. I mean a prime example, 351 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,319 Direct Radio Voice is something that Lords and I brought back, you know, 352 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:27,519 around twenty early twenty nineteen, And the only reason that we partnered with the 353 00:27:27,599 --> 00:27:33,920 Rathmans was is these were people who were really genuinely good hearted, people who 354 00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:40,200 had integrity, who were considerate and kind and selfless to other people, and 355 00:27:40,319 --> 00:27:44,599 brilliant, brilliant researchers. And Tony built boxes for eleven years. He never 356 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,799 sold one of them. He was never about going to market to make a 357 00:27:47,799 --> 00:27:51,920 profit. It was always about the research and seeing if we could do better 358 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,960 with this whole electronic spirit communication stuff, and those all spoke to his character 359 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,480 and him and his wife Shari's characters to us. That's how this partnership that 360 00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:04,039 led the Statacom happen. So, yeah, you're you're calling card through your 361 00:28:04,079 --> 00:28:08,319 own integrity and how you put yourself out there, I think is a big 362 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,480 deal, and I think it gets lost a lot of times because people are 363 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:17,079 so concerned with what they don't like other people are doing. Who came up 364 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:22,000 with a name Setikov was always just so Tony. Tony came to us with 365 00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:25,400 the name. I think there was somebody that he knows who was a very 366 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:32,279 well known music producer engineer in Hollywood who was going to use that for research 367 00:28:32,319 --> 00:28:33,960 and then it never it never went anywhere, I guess, and so Tony 368 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,759 had suggested it funny because the first time he brought it up. We didn't 369 00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:41,640 want to take on a name like that because we were doing direct radio voice 370 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:47,480 and we did not want to disjoint ourselves from the legacy of the people who 371 00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:52,519 whose work we picked up the torch on which had been neglected since the all 372 00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:59,000 ghost hunting revolution started through television and media. Everybody was doing sweeping ghost boxes. 373 00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:00,759 Nobody was doing this. We did not want to sever ourselves, like 374 00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:07,799 what is this staticcom thing? But then this is probably a good intro into 375 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,799 something else that we were going to get into. Anyway, the name changed 376 00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:19,359 happened because the method of direct radio voice was just using an empty, vacant 377 00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:26,240 barren of radio emissions white noise AM frequency AM because it's more prone to interference, 378 00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:30,839 as historically was done in direct radio voice. Out of EVP research. 379 00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:37,759 Then what we had done through a gentleman named Keith Clark from something called Varinormal 380 00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:41,880 with a vvarnormal dot com. He introduced us to a software component that allowed 381 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,920 you to filter in real time. We tried it for a little bit. 382 00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:49,519 It was interesting, stepped away from it, went back to the purest version 383 00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:55,319 of just using the radio on a vacant channel. Then because we saw a 384 00:29:55,359 --> 00:30:00,480 promise, we circled back to the software and that's when I just went nuts. 385 00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:03,839 And I really if you had a formal training and audio, A lot 386 00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:08,200 of what I did would have seen counterintuitive, maybe counterproductive, but we were 387 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:14,440 not trying to produce Beyonce's next hit. We're trying to produce vocals from the 388 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,279 beyond. So nothing was off the table for me as far as attempting to 389 00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:25,880 do different things theoretically with the sound and how we were processing it. So 390 00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:33,000 what happened was is that now we have live filtered sound in real time. 391 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:38,000 So we're taking the entire cleanup process of audio review that paranormalists do when they 392 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:44,720 record ghostbox or EVPs or whatever, and we're taking that from later on at 393 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,839 home when there's no more opportunity for conversation, and we're doing it in the 394 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,680 moment of contact, so we're doing all the the noising amplification and something else 395 00:30:53,680 --> 00:31:00,359 that we added, which was slowing it down all in real time. Slowing 396 00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:03,720 it down came because we did an event somewhere and I got a vocal I 397 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,119 believe was my mother or my grandmother, and in the moment I didn't hear 398 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,799 anything but the word on and I had said, Hey, if you know 399 00:31:08,839 --> 00:31:11,079 who I am, go ahead and say it, and the voice said ron 400 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,519 Then it said Ronnie, it's mom, It's Lucy, which is her mother, 401 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:21,079 I'm connecting, and I didn't even hear that, and I just thought 402 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:22,519 to ask, is my mother going to be here? Then the voice responds, 403 00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:29,599 yes, You're lucky missed all that. It came in so fast. 404 00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:32,880 So we started to slow down the vocals in real time, which had never 405 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,240 been done in itc before. People slow down sweep speeds on a ghostbox, 406 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:41,160 but we're not doing that. So it was just the flow of why white 407 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,960 noise we slowed down, and that was what was the impetus behind deciding to 408 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,559 slow it down. And I remember earlier when I said there's an importance to 409 00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:55,240 having reverence and awareness for the people who came before us. Constantine Rodeve, 410 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,720 who was a student of Carl Jung, philosopher, and we'll get to that 411 00:31:57,759 --> 00:32:04,039 connection next, had mentioned that a lot of times the vocals and audio phenomenon 412 00:32:04,119 --> 00:32:07,559 EVP or otherwise will come in not only faster than we can detect them, 413 00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:15,000 but faster than the human vocal tract can speak. So when I found that 414 00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:19,319 vocal, I found it by slowing down the audio to fifty percent of normal 415 00:32:19,359 --> 00:32:22,640 speed on the recording, and I could send it to you. I sound 416 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:29,680 intoxicated. I assure you that was not for hours later. Now I'm kidding, 417 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:35,200 but the vocal came in as clear and as precise as I'm speaking now, 418 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,880 which means in real time that came in incredibly fast, and there was 419 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:44,759 no way I would have heard it. Now. An interesting side thing to 420 00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:47,000 mentioned, since she's not representing herself here. Now, Lord Is by trade 421 00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:51,839 works as a court reporter. Do you see the little stenographers with the machines. 422 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,359 So she gets paid by the State of New York to take down testimony 423 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,319 which is now mostly virtual. They're not really even in the courtroom anymore. 424 00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:05,400 So she's listening to audio of people talking in different speeds, cadences, dialects, 425 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,400 accents, talking over each other at the same time farther from the microphone, 426 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:15,359 closer to the microphone. So she has a linguistic capabilities from interpreting listening 427 00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:20,519 to audio. That is a huge asset to what we do with listening to 428 00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:22,720 audio phenomena. So when we get these people telling us that we're hearing different 429 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:28,839 things in the whole paradolia thing, and sometimes they're audio engineers, when I 430 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,559 understand that you know how to produce sound and you know what the behaviors of 431 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:37,559 sound are, but her expertise is in listening and into interpreting words and language. 432 00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:44,279 So I'm going to go with the court reporter in this interpretive instance. 433 00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:49,319 It almost fascinates me. Actually, I can actually sit there tippy lot and 434 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,920 and I pick everything out. It's a whole other language. It's a whole 435 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,960 other language. She's explained it to me in short now and I'm like, 436 00:33:55,519 --> 00:34:01,480 I still don't you know, but huge asset to it. And then she 437 00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:05,480 assured me, she goes, there is no way that this slowed down to 438 00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:08,760 fifty percent recording could have been a person, because no human being. I 439 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:15,199 don't care if it's an auctioneer on cocaine. They can't talk that fast without 440 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,920 stammering, slurring, tripping over their words, and even then it's just not. 441 00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:23,840 So this was a huge, huge breakthrough moment for us. And then 442 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,119 that's when, knowing what the pioneer said, I looked at we need to 443 00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:30,119 figure out how to slow this down. Now. At that point, under 444 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:36,119 direct radiovoice, the Rathmans had already joined us in the research, and so 445 00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:39,199 I brought this message to Lordis and to Tony and his wife Shuri, and 446 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,360 then I tried a couple of different things. Tony was the one who found 447 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:49,480 the specific component that we now use still to slow down the flow of live 448 00:34:49,519 --> 00:34:52,800 white noise, and it has made a market difference, I think on the 449 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:58,559 quality and our ability to hear more of it in real time because our our 450 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,199 kind of on the down low goal is to eliminate the review process as much 451 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:07,159 as possible by having dialogue in the real time and then we can just marke 452 00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:09,280 and note where those things are, and then we can always represent them because 453 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:15,440 we can record. But that was one of those moments where knowing the historical 454 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,880 background behind what we do, knowing what some of the research yielded as far 455 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:22,639 as speeds that they come in, spurred on for me an idea of trying 456 00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:27,679 to slow this down in real time, which then our partnership led us to. 457 00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:31,320 So then why do we call it stata coom Because at that point it's 458 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:37,000 direct radio voice that we're filtering and slowing down in real time. And I 459 00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:39,599 talked to doctor Annibal Crdoso and these are things that she does now. She'll 460 00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:45,519 record sessions with a few different radios, all on vacant channels, and then 461 00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:49,719 when she puts it in her software. Later on she will amplify the noise, 462 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,840 normalize and then sometimes you catch stuff, you slow it down to present 463 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,400 it. So for us, if we're supposed to be having dialogue, let's 464 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:02,280 slow it down in the moment. So it became staticcom because of two things. 465 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:08,400 And this really speaks to our understanding of the method and even the functionality 466 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:14,880 of the ghost box modality. Also, we did an underground zinc mine in 467 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,480 New Jersey. This was a place where radios and cell phones and their signals 468 00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:23,480 go to die. You get nothing. We went far into the mind. 469 00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:28,280 We set up a table and some chairs used the power bank, and we 470 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:36,480 ran direct radio voice with a short wave or medium wave frequency where nothing would 471 00:36:36,519 --> 00:36:38,039 come through. They tried spirit boxes. Actually, when we were on that 472 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:44,960 investigation, and nothing couldn't sweep through anything, we got voices. They named 473 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:50,639 us, They named John Zappis, they cursed. So that was a hint 474 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:55,400 to us that the RF signal and the carrier wave upon which radio is received 475 00:36:55,599 --> 00:37:00,280 might not be a necessity to do this whole spirit communication thing. Then Tony 476 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:06,800 Rathman and his wife Frei did a power con convention out in Arizona, and 477 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,360 he did what I will always consider to be a very ballsy move because to 478 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:14,320 research something and try it at home, sure, that's what we're supposed to 479 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,719 do. He did this in front of a live audience. Instead of using 480 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,760 a radio for the white noise source, he took out a sleep machine. 481 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,519 Now that's different than what we use now because the sleep machine is pre recorded 482 00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:30,360 white noise on a loop on a chip quarter, and he put that connected 483 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,159 to the whole software system. I just explained, and he ran it, 484 00:37:34,679 --> 00:37:37,599 and he asked a question of spirit and he got a three word response. 485 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,480 He found out that the device had a three second loop because every three seconds 486 00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:47,599 the three words that he got played again and it kept coming through the speaker. 487 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,840 And what we believe happened was if you've done EVP before, right, 488 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,440 you know, he had like five recuarders in the same room. Everybody's hold 489 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,239 them next to each other. Only one of them gets the voice when a 490 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:04,199 question is asked. We've maybe imprinted upon the device. We believe whoever or 491 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,480 whatever answered him imprinted onto the chip quarter where the white noise is recorded. 492 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:13,840 Because it's not live white noise. So then again you have no ability to 493 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:19,239 receive a radio signal or carry wave, but the white noise facilitated vocals that 494 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,159 and our zinc mine thing. And that's when we decided, let's get generators 495 00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:30,039 that make the live white noise and run that through the same process static because 496 00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:32,360 we didn't think we should call it direct radio voice, but there was no 497 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:37,440 radio in fact as part of the process anymore. Then we readopted that name 498 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,360 that had come up earlier. Well, I did you think it would be 499 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:49,519 such a long ulcer. Yeah, it's fascinating, yes, but brilliant. 500 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,920 Well your own personals, have you got any sort of abilities or you you've 501 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,880 got the mediumship abilities? Or you think what got you into what got you 502 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,880 into the PROD? That's a great question. I don't know that I have. 503 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,679 I think we all have some degree, as we're told, right, 504 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:14,719 and I'll explain why. But as far as at a at a detectable or 505 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:20,119 noticeable level for the Statocom team, I don't believe that Tony does. I'm 506 00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:23,559 not sure that his wife Shari does either. Lord Is does and when we 507 00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:28,840 have a return to your show here, she can speak to it. She 508 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,760 has a family history and what's called a spiritismo. Sometimes it would get confused 509 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:37,840 with santoria, but it's not the same thing. Because her family origins are 510 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,760 in Puerto Rico, and so she was exposed to spiritual stuff and trance, 511 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:47,159 mediumship and these ritualistic gatherings, and but then she kind of shied away from 512 00:39:47,159 --> 00:39:51,400 because she had seen something as a child with the revolved her mother that was 513 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,800 kind of disturbing for her, so she kind of got out of it. 514 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,760 But we have been on locations before when we were running direct radio voice for 515 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,039 Statacom, hope you need to get an answer for one of the attendees of 516 00:40:01,079 --> 00:40:05,760 our event, and then she turns her on and says, was the date 517 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,320 April fourteenth? And we're like, and she because she got it through this 518 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:13,679 symbolism that she saw in her head that kind of led her to the answer. 519 00:40:14,159 --> 00:40:21,079 So she's starting to embrace it more. And one of the big reasons 520 00:40:21,079 --> 00:40:23,840 she's embracing it more is because for us, and you'll see when we lecture 521 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:30,079 there at the at the festival and with where we're hoping even the other speakers 522 00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:36,079 get to come see it, we are putting forth as a as a foundation 523 00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:45,159 of reality, a platform that is rooted in analytic idealism philosophy because for people 524 00:40:45,199 --> 00:40:46,159 like her. Now, I've been studying it for a year or so, 525 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,000 and I've introduced this in the last couple of months to Tony and tree Rath 526 00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:53,039 and to Lois, and I've never seen her so excited to learn anything because 527 00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:59,880 of that foundation of reality that we've adopted through This philosophy explains so much of 528 00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:06,960 her life before with regards to these gifts that we're talking about. And what 529 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,880 it does is it takes the idea of what we call paranormal and it makes 530 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:15,679 it quite normal. It's nature doing what it does. And why is that 531 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:21,880 a big deal? Because when we try to argue on behalf of the realism 532 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,360 or genuine nature of these things that we say we experience or document, the 533 00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:35,119 cynicism and the skepticism that we have to always encounter requires of us. And 534 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,599 this is why I believe we lose the argument that we try to improving this 535 00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:52,599 to other people paradoxically defy yet adhere to the accepted worldview of materialist science. 536 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:59,119 And by doing that, we are playing by our rule book that we say 537 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:04,000 our stuff doesn't fit into. Right. When you call this stuff paranormal or 538 00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:08,079 supernatural, we're saying this is beyond measurable science, it's paranormal. And then 539 00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:13,239 to prove it, we're trying to prove it by cramming in into a materialist 540 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,639 worldview measurable science explanation, and we just said it doesn't go there. This 541 00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:23,239 is why we lose the argument. But if you're framing of what reality actually 542 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:29,199 is allows for this, and this is not something we concocted. This goes 543 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,800 back and remember I mentioned Constantine Rodove, one of the EVP pioneers, who 544 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,400 was a doctor. There's your background in education for people. He studied under 545 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:43,039 Carl Jung. So the analytic idealism that we put forth comes from a union 546 00:42:43,199 --> 00:42:49,280 based philosophy of mind that also was in some way very much akin to Shoppin 547 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:54,599 our Espinoza there's tons of philosophers. Is a gentleman now named doctor Bernardo Casper, 548 00:42:54,639 --> 00:42:59,039 who's got PhD in philosophy and in computer science engineering. He worked at 549 00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:05,280 CERN. He was involved with the discovering of the Higgs boson, which they 550 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:10,320 called the God particle, and the modalities of trying to predict even being able 551 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,639 to find it. He was involved in all that. He sold the company 552 00:43:13,639 --> 00:43:19,079 to Intel. So this is coming from somebody who is well versed in theology 553 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,280 and in philosophy, but also in the materialistic idea of the world because he 554 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:28,840 was, through career and vocation, working under a materialist idea for a long 555 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:35,079 time. So to clarify for people, the worldview of science or what we 556 00:43:35,159 --> 00:43:39,039 call physicalism or materialism basically says, and this to us is important because we're 557 00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:45,199 saying that when we something's paranormal, that it's outside of you know, it's 558 00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:50,639 something supernatural. So I think what is missing in our field is a philosophy. 559 00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:52,960 If you have an idea, I don't think a lot of us reflect 560 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,639 on what we think reality is. We just kind of accept the worldview and 561 00:43:55,679 --> 00:44:00,760 go, well, this breaks the bounds because this is paranormal. The idea 562 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:06,519 is basically that the worldview that's accepted in material science or physicalism says that basically, 563 00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:10,679 there is this physical world out there. It's three D that has standalone 564 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:16,559 existence. It's comprised of matter, and our brain creates or consciousness, and 565 00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:23,480 we observe and perceive it and that's it for the most part, and that 566 00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:30,920 the experiences are phenomenal experiences what it's called quality or qualitative experiences, that that 567 00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:35,239 matter, that exists out there in this three D world, doesn't have qualities. 568 00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:43,079 It's devoid of experience. It's just measurements in numbers and quantities, and 569 00:44:43,119 --> 00:44:46,400 that's it. And so that's why we get stuck behind the eight ball with 570 00:44:46,519 --> 00:44:52,320 trying to prove and explain this stuff. Analytic idealism says that reality is out 571 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,039 there, there is a world out there that we share, but it's mental 572 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,840 that it's mental processes, and it's pretty much the way we engage our daily 573 00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:05,119 lif anyway. Right, I have my own mental processes, my own inner 574 00:45:05,199 --> 00:45:09,360 phenomenal conscious life, so do you. Yours is outside of mind to be 575 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:16,119 observed as something outside of mine. So we're just saying that that, and 576 00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:20,639 then you have things like the Ecostic records where people believe that there's an overarching 577 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,320 phenomenal consciousness. But if that's the substrate for all of reality, then look 578 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:30,280 at some of the stuff that we say we experience people having abilities and some 579 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:36,559 people maybe more than others. You suddenly have a foundation for this stuff that 580 00:45:36,679 --> 00:45:40,159 supports it as natural as nature doing what it does. This is how we 581 00:45:40,199 --> 00:45:45,480 interact with reality. It's not some kind of fantastical, magical, whimsical woo 582 00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:52,960 woo, as they say, but it simply makes sense. Yeah, And 583 00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:55,599 I'll get to ask you a question now, I know you're okay to be 584 00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:00,639 to answer it. Really, where do you think these voices are coming from? 585 00:46:00,199 --> 00:46:06,159 Is it a dual reality where people pass over and they are still existing 586 00:46:06,199 --> 00:46:10,599 in another reality or I mean, obviously, or are they going through the 587 00:46:10,679 --> 00:46:15,840 light and going into heaven I'm coming back occasionally to visit. What do you 588 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:21,679 believe is That's a great question based on what I just rambled on now because 589 00:46:21,679 --> 00:46:25,239 I'm going to go on other point about aliens. Okay, now we can 590 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,880 we can group that in there. Typically we sometimes get people asking it for 591 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:36,320 communicating with aliens. We've had voices say that's as they are. So that 592 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:37,840 would have been a hard question to answer before. And I'm not saying that 593 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:42,199 I know, but I'm saying I have a better idea what I believe now, 594 00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:49,119 right Because in reality, science or otherwise, the only thing we can 595 00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:53,800 ever truly know is our subjective experience. That's it. The chair you think 596 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:59,639 you're sitting on and you think is physical, you're experiencing it. Perception comes 597 00:46:59,639 --> 00:47:06,920 first, so everything else is theory. So theoretically, for us with this 598 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:14,480 foundational idea of analytic idealism and reality being mental processes and not being a physical 599 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:19,719 world out there, but a world out there. Then we believe that these 600 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,800 voices that we're hearing are part of the universal phenomenal consciousness. We believe that 601 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:30,360 they are comprised perhaps of entities that never existed in our form, certainly of 602 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:37,920 continued consciousness that has existed in our form. But we feel like that is 603 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:44,320 what's called the ontological primitive, That the foundation of all reality is universal phenomenal 604 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:50,719 consciousness, and so anything we think we're communicating with would be communicating with consciousness. 605 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:55,199 And even if we think that it's a spirit or extraterrestrial or someone who's 606 00:47:55,239 --> 00:48:04,480 passed on, they would be assimilated back into universal phenomenal consciences. Under this 607 00:48:04,599 --> 00:48:13,079 idea, our existence is akin to what's known as dissociative identity disorder or did 608 00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:21,320 usually be called multiple personality, so that there's one consciousness right ever present universally. 609 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,519 That's the ontological primitive, and from that we are what's considered alters. 610 00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:30,960 Like somebody who has multiple personalities will have what they're called alters or alternate personalities 611 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:36,800 that will exist separate. They'll have a dissociative boundary that separates them. And 612 00:48:37,079 --> 00:48:40,159 that is under this idea of analytic idealism, what our reality is is that 613 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:45,079 you have a dissociative boundary, so do I. So I can't influence and 614 00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:47,719 make you think something, nor you to me. If I wasn't here, 615 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:52,039 your thoughts would still exist. They don't need to be observed, right, 616 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:57,519 So under that, we think that these voices that we get are excitations of 617 00:48:57,639 --> 00:49:05,599 universal consciousness that were normally not able in most cases, and through mediumship you 618 00:49:05,679 --> 00:49:09,840 have a difference. Though we're not normally able to perceive these things. And 619 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:16,079 that's the other idea is under this idea of analytic idealism, we have we 620 00:49:16,119 --> 00:49:21,639 have what's well, Doctor Bernardo cast were called the dashboard or perception, and 621 00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:24,320 he likens it metaphorically and I love this, which is why I won't change 622 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:30,960 or bashardise the metaphor to a pilot sitting in an airplane and he has dials 623 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,440 and needles and stuff that tell him what is going on in reality outside of 624 00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:40,280 himself. Right, the pilot never makes the mistake that we do to interpret 625 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:45,880 that the things that he perceives as reality around him are the thinking of himself. 626 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:50,199 He doesn't ever mistake the dashboard for the sky, but it is telling 627 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,519 him things by measuring what's happening around him, which also supports the idea of 628 00:49:54,559 --> 00:50:00,119 reality being mental because if you don't have measurement, you don't have physicality, 629 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,719 right. If there isn't something to measure outside the airplane, then there's no 630 00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:08,199 reading on the dashboard, So you can only perceive something first, then measure 631 00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:13,800 it. And that's one of the reasons we get tripped up with trying to 632 00:50:14,199 --> 00:50:17,559 argue this stuff with physics, because physics is really now, especially going on 633 00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:22,840 the quantum physics, which quantum field theory stuff may explain more, but physics 634 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,760 is always the thing we run into as the Grand Puba of the sciences. 635 00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:32,920 But physics is in the business of being less wrong, of modeling and predicting 636 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:38,400 behaviors of nature. It doesn't tell us what nature or reality is. It 637 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:49,239 tells us what it does. So as a foundation of reality, with this 638 00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,360 stuff being mental processes, and then we have our dissociative boundary, we are 639 00:50:52,639 --> 00:50:59,199 measuring what is happening around us. And I think when you look at this 640 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,599 for the power noormal a lot of times and this is something we get asked 641 00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:04,960 now sometimes it goes well. So with the equipment you have, is that 642 00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:10,519 expanding your abilities like extrasensory Like now you're able to perceive more than your normal 643 00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:15,119 sensory input because we like the dashboard, we have sensory input right inside of 644 00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:19,800 the aligning your tongue, your eyes, your smell, your touch, right 645 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,199 we had that's our dashboard. Those are our sensors like the plane has. 646 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:30,760 But the equipment does not expand those because whatever the data you get from the 647 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,960 equipment, the paral equipment that sees at night or hear's what we can't hear, 648 00:51:34,039 --> 00:51:37,639 like the digital recorder, the experience still has to be modulated to where 649 00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:39,960 we can perceive it. You're still perceiving that data even if it's coming in 650 00:51:40,039 --> 00:51:44,800 up the equipment. And that's what it does, is it modulates the experience. 651 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,440 And I think like in the cases of like mediumship, in some instances 652 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:54,760 they may have more permeable or porous dissociative boundary that's separating them from let's say 653 00:51:54,760 --> 00:52:00,960 from universal phenomenal consciousness, so they're able to get information. They have done 654 00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:06,800 tests where they had mediums that were connected to fMRI or EKGs, and they 655 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:13,079 were measuring brain activity and during more complex computations or thought their brain activity in 656 00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:17,039 the hippocampus, in the frontal lobe, where you would have more activity if 657 00:52:17,079 --> 00:52:22,880 the brain was the creator of consciousness, in fact had a reduction of activity 658 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:30,159 when mediums were in trance states picking up information and conveying that. So that 659 00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:35,760 I think ties into to answer your question where we think the voices are coming 660 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:40,639 from. We think that these are excitations of universal phenomenal consciousness. We think 661 00:52:40,639 --> 00:52:46,039 when somebody passes on from our world, we don't think that they they don't 662 00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:52,800 maintain personal agency, like you're no longer the you making the decisions and executing 663 00:52:52,920 --> 00:53:00,400 you know, executive choices and stuff. But your consciousness will can tinue and 664 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:07,960 it will reassimilate into the phenomenal conscious of universal phenomenal consciousness. It'll be a 665 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:12,480 part of that. So it's it's not lost. Nor do we think inaccessible, 666 00:53:12,519 --> 00:53:16,360 and we think that's how we're able to get information. Even this has 667 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,199 happened to you before. Right with a ghostbox AVP, you'll say what color 668 00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,000 is my shirt? And then the device will say, Even people with apps 669 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:29,440 whatever, it'll say red. Now, think of billions of years of evolution, 670 00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,840 and we have developed these ocular systems with the rods and cones and the 671 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:38,800 neural synapses and everything that tells you. So if spirit could see without those, 672 00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:43,920 why would we have evolved to develop those? Because we are spirit? 673 00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:49,559 Right. So again this is where the philosophy of mind, we think, 674 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:55,440 helps as a foundation to explain what it is we do as paranormalists. We've 675 00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,599 asked those questions and we've gotten the right answer. I'm holding glasses, your 676 00:53:59,639 --> 00:54:02,880 shirt is read. So if you look at the concept the way I just 677 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:09,440 explained it as a framework for reality, then my putting that information through my 678 00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:15,679 sensory input on my dashboard of dials into universal phenomenal consciousness of which I am 679 00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:20,280 a part or an altar of. So it's not I'm not directly connected. 680 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,360 That there is the boundary that makes me me and doesn't make me think I 681 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:28,679 am the universe, but it is permeable, and then through what's called impingement, 682 00:54:29,159 --> 00:54:34,360 we can send out into transpersonal space and then sometimes perceive, which is 683 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,760 what we think mediums do information. So when the spirit tells you what color 684 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:43,079 your shirt is, there, in fact Grocking that information from your sensory input 685 00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,239 into the greater good that you're connected to also, and then that's why they're 686 00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:52,840 able to come through through modulation of experience. And then the device sometimes will 687 00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:57,119 aid in modulation, which is not magical radios do that right, there's radio 688 00:54:57,119 --> 00:54:59,480 happening right now around your head. You don't hear it, turn on, 689 00:54:59,519 --> 00:55:02,159 the device modulates it. Boom, there's your song. So we think that 690 00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:09,039 is akin to how this all works. Well, that was a fascinating yeah. 691 00:55:09,039 --> 00:55:13,119 I mean it kind of makes you think that if this is such a 692 00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,559 universal thing out there, which, well, why is it? So, 693 00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:22,800 why don't I find it necessary or important to come back to talk to us 694 00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,360 eve them about it? Right? Or is it just something that we are 695 00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:30,599 taping into. I think I think we're tapping into. And I think that 696 00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:36,199 if if the universe under again under analytic idealism, if it's if it's consciousness 697 00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:40,119 itself, if it's mental processes itself, it does what it does, and 698 00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:45,519 it plays out, and it learns about itself through us, through experiences through 699 00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:50,159 us, so it would have its own, its own things that it does. 700 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:55,280 We don't control it, we're part of it. And the idea behind 701 00:55:55,360 --> 00:56:00,239 that dissociation is powerful too. There was there were studies in the Netherlands done 702 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,960 believe the doctor was Victoria Schlimp twenty fourteen. Doctor Cashup talks about this a 703 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:12,679 lot where a woman had five altars, five personalities. Organically, she was 704 00:56:12,679 --> 00:56:15,960 physically fine. Two of the authors claimed to be blind. And when one 705 00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:20,639 of those altars was an executive control of the body, when that personality was 706 00:56:20,639 --> 00:56:24,360 the one in charge, there was no brain activity in the visual cortex. 707 00:56:24,559 --> 00:56:30,119 It was as if it was shut down. When another altar who was able 708 00:56:30,159 --> 00:56:35,719 to see was the activity came back. That's the power of the association. 709 00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,159 When we're talking about this as a foundation of reality, and I think this 710 00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:46,800 supports so much of what we know and the idea that we accept and try 711 00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:53,920 to battle against material science today that suggests that the brain creates consciousness doesn't address 712 00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:58,239 what's called in philosophy the hard problem of consciousness, which is, if there's 713 00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,079 a world out there that's three, it's made of matter, and matter does 714 00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:07,079 not have experience in it, which is the one thing that we know as 715 00:57:07,159 --> 00:57:12,119 an ontological primitive, the one thing we can know exists is experience, and 716 00:57:12,159 --> 00:57:16,320 it doesn't have that it's made of matter that doesn't have that. And then 717 00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:22,840 your brain, which is also made of matter because we're physical, somehow gives 718 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:29,039 rise to consciousness. And they can't explain that. There's no way you can 719 00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:32,840 deduce from reducing down to the small constituent parts, what it is to taste 720 00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:38,119 chocolate, what it is to feel fear. Those emotional things are quality, 721 00:57:38,159 --> 00:57:43,079 are qualitative experiences. You can't explain those in reduction of material parts. You 722 00:57:43,159 --> 00:57:47,800 can't. And so this worldview that we all adhere to has some problems. 723 00:57:50,199 --> 00:57:54,679 Think about even I took my son to a virtual reality place one time in 724 00:57:54,679 --> 00:57:58,400 New York City and you put the goggles on. If you've ever done virtual 725 00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,800 reality, if your brain, oh, if your brain created your consciousness, 726 00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:07,239 it would tell you that you're in a facility, you're walking on a carpet. 727 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:12,480 Totally fine. But they have this simulation you go into where you're walking 728 00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,320 on a steel girder, hundreds of stories above the city of New York, 729 00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:21,199 and you get all the feelings of vertigo, fear of heights, off balance. 730 00:58:21,519 --> 00:58:25,639 You're kind of walking with trepidation because your perception is the first thing you 731 00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:30,239 know. Measurement doesn't come before experience a perception, right, And again, 732 00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:35,880 this whole philosophy mumbo jumbo stuff is important because when we talk about paranormal evidence 733 00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:37,519 or I caught a ghost, I saw a ghost, I heard a ghost, 734 00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:43,679 I recorded a ghost. That stuff is all us conveying experience that we 735 00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:49,719 perceived, and then we're told that we're delusional or this stuff is wrong because 736 00:58:49,719 --> 00:58:53,960 it's being explained away by a materialist or physical science worldview, which is what's 737 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:59,559 accepted right now. This is why it's important because if that world you can't 738 00:58:59,559 --> 00:59:04,800 explain qualitative experiences, it shouldn't be debunking it or saying it doesn't exist either. 739 00:59:05,519 --> 00:59:08,760 And it's so contradictory. You tell me you saw a ghost, and 740 00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:15,239 then some skeptic goes, it's a you're hallucinating. By saying you're hallucinating, 741 00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:19,559 they're denying the very point they're trying to make. Because what is a hallucination. 742 00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:25,519 It's a phenomenal conscious experience. See what I'm saying. We have to 743 00:59:25,639 --> 00:59:31,400 unseat this mindset because that is what makes our paranormal stuff this freaky out there 744 00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,800 that doesn't make sense because it can't be explained. Let's dismiss it. Stuff 745 00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:42,440 that's why. But you perceive first. They try to say that the physical 746 00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,360 world is out there and if it doesn't fit into that, it's a bunch 747 00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:52,239 of bullshit. But think about that measurements of things. You can't measure something 748 00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,719 to have physicality until you perceive it. You see a table or a chair 749 00:59:55,920 --> 01:00:01,960 or a rock, perceive it. Now that you've had this experience, then 750 01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:05,159 you can apply a measurement to it. And now you have a measurement. 751 01:00:05,239 --> 01:00:09,599 You can't hand me five killer hurts. You can't hand me five pounds. 752 01:00:09,639 --> 01:00:12,840 And people go, well, I could pick up this dumbell here and this 753 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,719 thing weighs five pounds, so I can give you that. But you only 754 01:00:15,719 --> 01:00:20,320 know it weighs five pounds because you perceived it and then measured it. And 755 01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:24,960 then even still it doesn't exist because it's not the thing in and of itself. 756 01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:30,320 The measurement is just a description of the thing. And that's what we 757 01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:34,000 do a lot. We perceive something and we think that what we see is 758 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,719 the thing in its entirety. I mean something you just mentioned there about picking 759 01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:39,719 up something that weighs five pounds. Take that to the moon. That it 760 01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:44,440 won't weigh five pounds, will it right, right, right, let's look 761 01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:49,039 at other perception right, No, for sure, but the fact that they 762 01:00:49,039 --> 01:00:52,159 think it weighs five pounds is a measurement that was given to something that was 763 01:00:52,199 --> 01:00:57,599 first perceived. But it isn't. It isn't the thing in and of itself. 764 01:00:59,159 --> 01:01:01,840 We have sensor input to take in the salient points that we need to 765 01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:07,599 survive to navigate life, not to take in every single aspect and detail of 766 01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:13,000 reality itself. Our heads would explode. We would be, as doctor Casp 767 01:01:13,039 --> 01:01:15,519 says, we would be in tropic soup. We would just dissolve. It 768 01:01:15,559 --> 01:01:17,599 would be too much. Think about when you use your computer. It's the 769 01:01:17,639 --> 01:01:22,800 same idea. You go to your desktop. There's a little folder, you 770 01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:24,880 double click it, a little folder icon, right, it opens up another 771 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,599 folder. There's an icon, you double click it, and a video plays, 772 01:01:28,599 --> 01:01:30,800 and there's music and sound and lights and they all right, this whole 773 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:35,199 experience. If you had to experience every line of code, every codec, 774 01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,599 every extension that goes into that process of clicking three things, your head would 775 01:01:38,639 --> 01:01:42,840 explode. You wouldn't understand. It would be too much. So you get 776 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:46,119 only what you need to navigate the interface, and that's our reality. Is 777 01:01:46,119 --> 01:01:50,559 our interface. The pilot never thinks that the sky is the dashboard. He 778 01:01:50,639 --> 01:01:53,159 knows that this is an interpretation of what is actually out there, but it's 779 01:01:53,199 --> 01:02:00,039 not the thing itself. But we're told that these measurements and these calculations that 780 01:02:00,039 --> 01:02:02,440 that they use to debunk paranormal stuff are the thing in of itself, and 781 01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:07,880 it's not. That's not reality. If you put the measurement first, it's 782 01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:12,800 like trying to take the terrain out of the map. Right. The colors 783 01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,119 and lines and measurements on the map only makes sense because they reference and point 784 01:02:15,159 --> 01:02:21,119 to something else. If you put the measurements first, there's no map. 785 01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,480 So those are descriptions of the thing in of itself. It's not the thing 786 01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:30,679 in and of itself. But this again, this is a perception thing too. 787 01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:32,679 I've had people since we lectured on this say, you know, so 788 01:02:32,719 --> 01:02:37,119 it's kind of like the matrix where it's it's a simulation. It's not a 789 01:02:37,159 --> 01:02:42,559 simulation. It's just what we're able to perceive as reality presents itself to us 790 01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:47,280 as a local manifestations or a representation of what's out there, but not everything 791 01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:52,280 out there in and of itself. We're not capable in our short time on 792 01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:58,400 this planet to take in every salient point of all of reality and every little 793 01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,760 fine detail. It's too much. We wouldn't we wouldn't be able to process 794 01:03:02,599 --> 01:03:08,599 that much information. So we take in what we can. But the simulation 795 01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:14,760 is not is not the correct word for it too, because they can they 796 01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:17,679 can simulate. Doctor Casper says, it's funny you can simulate on his computer. 797 01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:23,119 He goes, I can simulate kidney function down to the molecular level of 798 01:03:23,159 --> 01:03:29,159 accuracy, right, But that does not mean that his computer is going to 799 01:03:29,159 --> 01:03:34,840 pee on his desk because the simulation is not the thing being simulated. It's 800 01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,760 not the same as the experience. And when he says that I went that 801 01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:42,719 it hit home for us because that's part of the confusion and part of the 802 01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:49,679 quick sand do you actually yeah, yeah, I mean it's it allows us 803 01:03:49,719 --> 01:03:54,880 to understand the difference between what we perceive and what actually is. Yeah. 804 01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:59,840 Anyway, so when I eventually die, will I really care what goes on 805 01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:01,039 in this world? Or we'll just sort of think, Oh, what's it. 806 01:04:01,239 --> 01:04:04,920 I'm glad to get out of here. I'm going home. That's a 807 01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:10,159 good question. I don't we don't pretend to know the answer to that. 808 01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:16,760 We think, We think that because consciousness exists, we think and continues to 809 01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,719 exist as what we believe, even under that idea, that idea of analytic 810 01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:28,960 idealism, your consciousness continues, it reassimilates back into universal phenomenal consciousness. But 811 01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:31,280 it was not for nothing. It doesn't just vanish. It's not gone. 812 01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:38,800 Right, if you drop ink drops into a river, eventually they assimilate and 813 01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:41,719 they disperse, so you don't maybe you can't see them, and it doesn't 814 01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:47,840 have the same coherent look that it had when it was a representation, because 815 01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:51,920 that's your body is a physical representation of who you are. But it's not 816 01:04:53,119 --> 01:04:59,320 you yourself. It's how you're perceived to me through two dissociated boundaries, yours 817 01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,800 and mine. So in our trans personal space, the world that we share, 818 01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:06,079 that's what I perceive as you. But you've had different clothing, you've 819 01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:10,039 had different jobs, you have different ideas and things, you were into a 820 01:05:10,039 --> 01:05:13,840 different parts of your life, but you never identified as somebody else, right, 821 01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,320 you always felt you were you. And it's not necessarily the name because 822 01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:21,119 that was given to you. You could have been Philip Smith, not David 823 01:05:21,159 --> 01:05:26,119 Young. And you'd still be the same person because the name was something that 824 01:05:26,159 --> 01:05:30,920 you were acquired. You acquired that in your form now, but that's not 825 01:05:30,039 --> 01:05:35,119 something that's inherent to who you are. We don't ever say I am a 826 01:05:35,159 --> 01:05:39,679 body. We say I have a body. We don't never say I am 827 01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:44,840 hunger. We say I have hunger because it's experience is the first thing that 828 01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:51,079 we can know. So you will exist and continue on. And the materialist 829 01:05:51,079 --> 01:05:55,400 worldview that's accepted is kind of sad in that way, right because according to 830 01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:59,679 them, once you die and your physical form is gone, that's it you 831 01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:03,119 see to exist. There's no more you. That's sad. So this this 832 01:06:03,159 --> 01:06:06,280 whole thing was for nothing. Yeah, well whites, Yeah, I agreed. 833 01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:11,159 Think about that? Does that? Does that? It doesn't even seem 834 01:06:11,159 --> 01:06:14,880 to make sense, Like why would there be no And really what they're trying 835 01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:19,199 to do with with particle physics and stuff is they're trying to find closure in 836 01:06:19,239 --> 01:06:23,119 the physical model to be able to just kind of wrap it up because of 837 01:06:23,159 --> 01:06:29,519 what they remove from a theological standpoint or from a philosophical standpoint of meaning is 838 01:06:29,559 --> 01:06:32,400 now missing in this physical existence. According to that model, there's no meaning. 839 01:06:33,719 --> 01:06:38,639 M So yeah, I think, I think again, I don't know. 840 01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:41,960 I'm not a PhD. But the ones who are, who do a 841 01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:45,400 lot of this research, we study their work. I read white papers and 842 01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:50,320 I'm reading constantly. We think that consciousness continues. We think that what we're 843 01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:56,920 communicating with its consciousness. We think these are excitations of universal phenomenal consciousness that 844 01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:01,960 is impinging upon our dashboard of perception. And then even mediums too, by 845 01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:06,800 the way, when they studied mediums with fMRI and EKG to look at brain 846 01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:11,039 activity, I may mention so right earlier, actually, but they so. 847 01:07:11,159 --> 01:07:14,119 They when they were yeah, they were computing complex thought they were having a 848 01:07:14,159 --> 01:07:19,039 reduction in brain activity. Doctor Castrop did psychedelics, which reduces your brain activity 849 01:07:19,119 --> 01:07:24,639 almost down to the closest thing to death. Previously you'd been told that that 850 01:07:24,719 --> 01:07:28,599 lights it all up with activity. It doesn't. And under that he has 851 01:07:28,639 --> 01:07:31,719 the most and people do have the most visceral and vivid experiences they've ever had. 852 01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:39,280 So how do you explain consciousness being created by the brain. Yet when 853 01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:44,239 the brain is as least active, your experience is the most vivid. And 854 01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:49,519 there are offshoots of different studies of different things that people have different takes on 855 01:07:49,559 --> 01:07:59,079 it. But our experience from studying analytic idealism under Bernardo Castrip and then looking 856 01:07:59,119 --> 01:08:04,000 at how that model of reality seems to sink so well with paranormal experience and 857 01:08:04,039 --> 01:08:10,199 what we think is happening. And it doesn't have to be mystical woo woo 858 01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:14,960 stuff under that idea, but it does speak to it. It does seem 859 01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:20,279 to allow for it to be natural. Have you in your studies have you 860 01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:26,199 seen that the examples of reincarnation come back to you? You know? Have 861 01:08:26,279 --> 01:08:30,199 you have you got any citations about that? Have you seen any evidence of 862 01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:36,439 it? Your line of questioning is so cool because it works in sync with 863 01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:42,079 with everything I just said. We I don't believe any of us in the 864 01:08:42,159 --> 01:08:45,800 Satacom project, Tony Tree, Rathman, or Ords Consolved myself have had a 865 01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:54,800 direct experience that we would consider reincarnation. But if you take into account everything 866 01:08:54,840 --> 01:09:00,880 I just explained about universal phenomenal consciousness and analytic idealism as reality being men and 867 01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:04,600 that we dissociate from it, and then when we die, the dissociation starts 868 01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:13,680 to dissolve as we reassimilate back. I don't think under this idea, I 869 01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,800 understand or I have a different concept of what I think we perceive to be 870 01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:26,800 reincarnation, because if somebody was fully reincarnated and that consciousness continued and then was 871 01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:32,600 reborn into a new physical vessel, and the new dissociation starts right, they 872 01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:39,720 would identify with that person wholeheartedly that they were that's somebody else, and they 873 01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:44,760 would not in any way identify I think, with the person that they were 874 01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:48,239 told they were when they were born and when they first started becoming metacognitive, 875 01:09:48,239 --> 01:09:53,800 which is knowing that you know, which is a thing that's very unique to 876 01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:57,119 human beings, is that we not only experience, but we know that we 877 01:09:57,239 --> 01:10:01,039 experience. That's metacognition from what we get the gifts of like guilt, anxiety, 878 01:10:01,079 --> 01:10:05,159 depression, because we were able to keep reflecting on something and experiencing it 879 01:10:05,199 --> 01:10:12,039 over and over again. So I think what happened when we have reincarnation because 880 01:10:12,079 --> 01:10:15,399 there are cases like with I think children who have like knowledge they shouldn't have 881 01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,479 about airplanes that were like in World War two, it was one, oh, 882 01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:23,279 I shall language yourself that they'll come out with you. So I think 883 01:10:23,319 --> 01:10:30,279 that these things were contributed to universal phenomenal consciousness and that sometimes the way that 884 01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:35,960 and again another metaphor from Bernardo caspar If universal phenomenal consciousness is a large body 885 01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:39,479 of water, like a lake, and then we are alters that split off 886 01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:43,520 of it, We're like individual whirlpools, right, So sometimes when a lake 887 01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:48,399 ripples, the behavior of that field of excitation could have things come into the 888 01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:56,720 whirlpool from the greater body that maybe perhaps come from stuff like that. So 889 01:10:56,760 --> 01:11:02,960 somebody might have within their conscious inner life if information that doesn't have any grounds 890 01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:08,079 for acquisition in the life they are now, especially if it's a kid and 891 01:11:08,119 --> 01:11:11,720 he's speaking to technical you know, equipment on an airplane form World War two 892 01:11:12,199 --> 01:11:15,680 that they couldn't possibly know or even have researched. I think that's where it 893 01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:24,079 comes from. I think it's it was put into the when the dissociation happened. 894 01:11:24,279 --> 01:11:30,520 It was something that came from the bigger body, the universal phenomenal consciences 895 01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:38,279 or the lake, and when the altar took place and something dissociated from it, 896 01:11:38,279 --> 01:11:42,119 it filtered into it, it factored into it. So that's why they 897 01:11:42,119 --> 01:11:46,199 still identify with who they are, but they have this information that feels firsthand, 898 01:11:46,239 --> 01:11:51,520 first person perspective that they never acquired themselves because it came from that, 899 01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:58,560 and it fits. It fits with a lot of the theories of like when 900 01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:02,279 you see a ripple on a lake, it's not a thing, it's a 901 01:12:02,319 --> 01:12:08,199 behavior of the field. It's not a thing itself, which we often do. 902 01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:12,119 We name things specifically. And he'll say that you can't take the ripple 903 01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:14,520 off the lake and go home with it. It's it's not a thing, 904 01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:19,079 it's it's a behavior or an excitation of that field. Right when he go 905 01:12:19,199 --> 01:12:23,000 like this, like this is a fist, So we give it a proper 906 01:12:23,079 --> 01:12:26,680 name, so we think this thing exists, but it doesn't because now it 907 01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:30,199 doesn't exist. So it was never a thing. It was a behavior that 908 01:12:30,279 --> 01:12:34,399 you, through your subjective experience, perceived. But it's a behavior, it's 909 01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:39,640 not a thing. Yeah, so that on the radio. But Rob was 910 01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:43,479 showing it was hold his fist, so he's opening his hand, so it 911 01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:45,920 comes not a fist basically, So it was best people on the radio. 912 01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,239 Yes, okay, I'm sorry, Yeah, I forget that that this is 913 01:12:49,279 --> 01:12:53,159 going to be an audio ports, right, So I'm holding a fist and 914 01:12:53,199 --> 01:12:55,319 we give that a name, and we say that it's a thing that has 915 01:12:55,399 --> 01:12:59,000 standalone existence, and then when I open my hand, there is no fist 916 01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:01,439 because it was never a thing that had its own existence. It was a 917 01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:05,239 behavior of the field of subjectivity. It was not a thing in and of 918 01:13:05,279 --> 01:13:12,960 itself. And so that's for me, I think, especially as we're diving 919 01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:16,199 more into analytic idealism as a philosophy of mind, I think that's where what 920 01:13:16,239 --> 01:13:25,399 we experienced to be reincarnation comes from. I think it's part of somebody's whirlpool. 921 01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:31,279 There were selfgo personal in our life that came in through the greater consciousness, 922 01:13:31,279 --> 01:13:36,840 which is universal phenomenal consciousness, and stuff that was input into it came 923 01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:42,640 into their existence. Is this is what people in this philosophy think would explain 924 01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,560 near death experience. When somebody comes back and reports on something that they saw 925 01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:53,880 when technically they shouldn't have been able to do it, that they were able 926 01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:57,439 to through somebody else perceiving it, and maybe they're able to report on what's 927 01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:00,039 happening in the room because of the doctors and nurses or other people who are 928 01:14:00,159 --> 01:14:08,199 dissociated but still connected to universal consciences are seeing and reporting to themselves this experience. 929 01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:13,199 And so now if they're not functioning in their body, so they have 930 01:14:13,239 --> 01:14:17,920 one less associated boundary. They have access to these inner workings that are coming 931 01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:25,760 from the inner lives of people to perceive and then report back what it is 932 01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,000 that was happening at the time that they were under it. Let's say, 933 01:14:28,279 --> 01:14:30,159 yeah, no, a lot of that must make sense. Actually, it's 934 01:14:30,239 --> 01:14:38,720 brilliant. I think I'll warn you out now. I'm looking forward to seeing 935 01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,800 you in September. Now, I hope we can do this again before September, 936 01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:44,479 because it'd be great to get lord Is on then maybe the whole team 937 01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,399 one at some point later on in the year before we go before see you 938 01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:51,520 in September. Now, for anyone just sting out there to Ron has been 939 01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:56,439 fascinated as much as I have been. Ron's got four books that you can 940 01:14:56,479 --> 01:15:01,279 get on Amazon. I've got the titles down here are normally speaking, he 941 01:15:01,399 --> 01:15:11,479 is the first one. The second one is The Magical World of Electronic Spirit 942 01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:14,359 Communication. That's the that's it. Now, I'm going to get all four 943 01:15:14,399 --> 01:15:16,119 of these before I see you, so I hope you're sail them for me. 944 01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,760 I have to be honored to do that. And the other one is 945 01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:27,000 Tdso the Practical Sales initiative, and the latest one, as I understand it, 946 01:15:27,039 --> 01:15:30,279 I believe it's the latest one is the Memoirs of an Academic Layperson. 947 01:15:32,199 --> 01:15:35,760 And so it's four books. But that's all four books you're written within two 948 01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:42,479 years, which is quite amazing. Working on five now. It's also the 949 01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:46,159 fifth on September. I'm hoping it will be. Yeah, it's already, 950 01:15:46,279 --> 01:15:50,359 it's already underway. I don't know if you know Richard step I know the 951 01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:54,439 name. Yeah, he's in the States now, but I believe that his 952 01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:58,960 home is in the UK, where he's originally from. He's got several books 953 01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,399 written, well fifty or and some of them are I think his are more 954 01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:10,039 stories or he tells about places. It's not not the same type of nonfiction 955 01:16:10,199 --> 01:16:13,960 that I write. But he's very prolific. And he has a book called 956 01:16:14,079 --> 01:16:17,680 The Right the Writer's Life or the Right Life, but wr I te the 957 01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:24,680 Right Life that was given to me, and it talks about if you just 958 01:16:25,119 --> 01:16:30,159 if for people who want to author a book, if you write a page 959 01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:39,760 a day Monday through Friday, that's twenty pages a month. In five months, 960 01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:43,479 you've got one hundred pages. In ten months, you've got two hundred 961 01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:46,000 pages, which is a book, and that's really low balling it. So 962 01:16:46,079 --> 01:16:48,640 I mean, if you if you put some time into it, you can 963 01:16:50,119 --> 01:16:54,399 you can't make it work. My book's kind of chronicle my journey. Some 964 01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:59,640 of my beliefs or ideas may be consistent from book one through four, and 965 01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:04,239 some I add to my repertoire of what I'll talk about or the way I 966 01:17:04,239 --> 01:17:08,600 see things, because I reserve the right to both learn and be wrong, 967 01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:13,199 and I've acquired different things. The philosophy thing is maybe a year or so. 968 01:17:13,279 --> 01:17:16,600 What we're doing now, the analytic idealism, it's a little bit in 969 01:17:16,079 --> 01:17:21,760 the Paranormalization Memoirs book that just came out in October, but I'll get more 970 01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:26,479 into that stuff because I think as an underpinning for reality, I think it's 971 01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:30,560 a gift to the field to look at not my work, but the work 972 01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:34,560 of people like Bernardo Kspup, who's a philosopher, computer science engineer to PhD 973 01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:42,560 individual and the way he explains the nature of reality, because it does allow 974 01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:47,840 for this stuff to become completely natural, and if you change the arena within 975 01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:53,760 which we argue the validity of this stuff. Most of the cynic skeptics are 976 01:17:53,840 --> 01:18:01,479 usually materialist, atheist people who's just thrown out numbers and measurements and calculations and 977 01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:06,359 stuff. So this changes the game. So I think my book's chronicle, 978 01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:12,640 you know, my growth in this field too. So the academic layperson comes 979 01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:16,239 from a term that I read in an academic white paper by a gentleman named 980 01:18:16,239 --> 01:18:23,359 Tom Butler that talks about the academic layperson partition where people who know scientific method 981 01:18:23,399 --> 01:18:28,479 and theory and practice under the strictest conditions are not the people who are doing 982 01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:34,359 the lion's share of aggregating data to examine for paranormality. That's mostly done by 983 01:18:34,359 --> 01:18:40,720 the lay people, and these two groups are not working together. So the 984 01:18:41,199 --> 01:18:44,119 academic lay person was a role that I wanted to try to step into, 985 01:18:44,159 --> 01:18:47,159 which is to say, I'm not a PhD, but I am. I 986 01:18:47,199 --> 01:18:51,279 do have a bachelor's in communications, and I do have of years of study 987 01:18:51,279 --> 01:18:56,119 in both communications and philosophy. I was a satirist. I did stand up 988 01:18:56,119 --> 01:19:00,159 comedy, and I think satire has you looking at continuity of thought, hypocrisy, 989 01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:06,600 redundancy for humorous effect. But it sure does help when we're looking at 990 01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:13,359 this stuff now, because I see a lot of what's axiomatic. A lot 991 01:19:13,399 --> 01:19:16,119 of our beliefs in the paranormal or axioms. These are like in America, 992 01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:20,600 Thanksgiving and a turkey just goes together. You don't question it. And I 993 01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:26,399 think we do that in the field, and we need to sometimes not just 994 01:19:26,399 --> 01:19:28,880 with the philosophy part of it, but just we need to look at these 995 01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:34,039 things and go why why is that the case? Right? You go on 996 01:19:34,039 --> 01:19:39,399 a website to buy a ghost box, and as an accessory, they'll sell 997 01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:44,479 you a Faraday patch, which is to do what which is to it doesn't 998 01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:46,800 block People think it blocks the radio signal. It doesn't. It conducts it 999 01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:56,199 around and away from the radio. But you're buying a radio and the first 1000 01:19:56,239 --> 01:20:00,199 thing you want to do is make it not a radio. The ghost box 1001 01:20:00,359 --> 01:20:05,800 sweeps through broadcasts and through fragmentation is supposedly how the spirits are making the words 1002 01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:13,239 it's communicating. So something that is inherent to the modality working is the first 1003 01:20:13,279 --> 01:20:16,239 thing people look to dismantle. They disconnect the radio, they want to put 1004 01:20:16,239 --> 01:20:21,079 a Faraday pouch on it. Then they run a three point five millimeter plug 1005 01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:28,279 out of the pouch from the very protected radio to a little orbital speaker and 1006 01:20:28,319 --> 01:20:32,680 guess what they just did with that wire, They recreated the antenna. Yeah, 1007 01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:36,640 so why would you do Plus, you're supposed to be sweeping radio, 1008 01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:43,479 when if you're not sweeping radio, you're sweeping white noise. And there is 1009 01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:49,920 absolutely zero empirical evidence that suggest that sweeping white noise does anything. And if 1010 01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:58,840 you have just white noise, direct radio voice staticom which produces longer, cleaner, 1011 01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:02,960 easier to sort messages in our opinion from our work, so we don't 1012 01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:06,920 think even the ghost boxes, we don't think that they work on sweeping and 1013 01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:12,159 chopping up vocal fragments. I know academia looks at that like it's not valid, 1014 01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:15,479 Like how fast would spirits be having to put different sounds and altphones and 1015 01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:18,039 phonemes in the right place at the right time to make words mean? It's 1016 01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:25,079 it's mind numbing. But if they're using the white noise even on the boxes 1017 01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:29,800 through stochastic resonance matching a frequency within the white noise and then those two resonating, 1018 01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:32,880 that would explain how ghost boxes work, and they do, and it 1019 01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:38,560 certainly would explain how what we do would work. If your white noise something 1020 01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:41,800 enters into it, it resonates at one of those frequencies becomes detectable. The 1021 01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:47,039 rest of the white noise stays evial amplitude. And if to tie this up 1022 01:21:47,079 --> 01:21:53,880 in a bon nicely, the two skepticisms that itc always gets you're picking up 1023 01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:58,640 radio bleed through or leakage from the radio right with the ghost boxes. So 1024 01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:02,439 now we remove the radio static hom The only other thing they can say, 1025 01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:06,600 and we get this still sometimes is you're is you're hearing warbles and artifacts of 1026 01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:14,720 sound that you think are words through paradilia. And the reason they say that 1027 01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:21,520 is because that you can always discern they say, patterns in randomness and white 1028 01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:29,880 noises random. So to that, I say, first, to say that 1029 01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:34,479 we can discern patterns is speaking directly to our intellect, because that's how we 1030 01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:41,359 communicate, right, Patterns of noises and fragments of sound put together to form 1031 01:22:41,399 --> 01:22:45,359 sentences and words is how I identify what you're saying. So saying that I'm 1032 01:22:45,399 --> 01:22:47,680 capable of doing that is not a detriment that takes away from I think I'm 1033 01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:55,359 hearing communication. It supports it, second of all, and this scientifically is 1034 01:22:55,359 --> 01:23:00,000 a sound concept. Random is an empty drawer. Whenever you hear somebody say 1035 01:23:00,039 --> 01:23:04,039 that, I hope this reminds you of this this moment. Randomness is what 1036 01:23:04,079 --> 01:23:09,960 we say when we can't measure or model something. We can't calculate it in 1037 01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:12,960 the moment. It's not plausible or possible, so we therefore we say it's 1038 01:23:13,079 --> 01:23:16,439 random. Coin tosses aren't random. It's the angle of the toss, it's 1039 01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:20,159 barometric petitor, it's wind speed. There's a variety of things that are deterministic 1040 01:23:20,279 --> 01:23:25,640 in the outcome. But you're not going to see them measuring those things on 1041 01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,119 the fifty yard line at the super Bowl. So they say that the toss 1042 01:23:28,159 --> 01:23:34,960 is random. White noise is not random. What it is it's computationally irreducible. 1043 01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:41,640 They can't measure it at the moment, but we know that it's equal 1044 01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:45,439 amplitude, and we have variances in it, and it matches and coincides with 1045 01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:49,920 a timed relevant answer that we can discern as speech. And we don't ever 1046 01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:55,000 identify the dog screaming anything. Oh, the dog wants the car keys because 1047 01:23:55,039 --> 01:23:59,840 he went We know that not speech. We can discern. All right, 1048 01:24:00,119 --> 01:24:05,039 so it's not random. This whole paradolia thing gets tossed around like WebMD throws 1049 01:24:05,079 --> 01:24:11,520 around headache. Yeah, it's a symptom of everything. Stop it happens. 1050 01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:15,319 But just because I misunderstand you doesn't mean you didn't speak in a language that 1051 01:24:15,359 --> 01:24:20,239 I know. It means I misunderstood you. And if we had paradolia happening 1052 01:24:20,279 --> 01:24:24,920 at the rate that people record paranoral evidence, if that was a valid explanation 1053 01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:30,279 to dismiss it, all people would be malfunctioning throughout daily life constantly because of 1054 01:24:30,319 --> 01:24:33,520 paradolia. Right, you'd go into your supervisor and you go, you're fired. 1055 01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:36,159 You go, what a raise? Fantastic? Oh, I'm sorry. 1056 01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:43,600 Paradilia, my prescription ran out. It doesn't happen. There's no data to 1057 01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:47,199 support that. Stop paradolia. We can see why you were a stand up 1058 01:24:47,239 --> 01:24:53,439 comedian. Well, I remember when I was in school that the teachers that 1059 01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:58,560 were entertaining or made it fun at all. You remembered that more and it 1060 01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:05,159 was it made it more approachable, more digestible. So yeah, I'd use 1061 01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:11,560 levity in some ways where I can to convey the points or at least what 1062 01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:13,800 I'm trying to think. And I don't think I am right, and I 1063 01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:17,079 have all the answers, even in my books. If you agree with all 1064 01:25:17,079 --> 01:25:18,720 of it, some of it, none of it. If I made you 1065 01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:24,039 think about what you actually do think and it's in league with this in part 1066 01:25:24,119 --> 01:25:27,279 or not at all, that's good because that's the thing I think that we 1067 01:25:27,319 --> 01:25:31,800 need to do, is we need to think more and from our experience now, 1068 01:25:32,199 --> 01:25:34,760 I think that we need to think more, and we need to include 1069 01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:44,239 meaning, which is what philosophy attempts to tell us what reality is. Physics 1070 01:25:44,279 --> 01:25:46,319 tells us what it does. So I don't think as a science behind the 1071 01:25:46,319 --> 01:25:51,039 paranorl physics is or even quantum physics is enough. It gives us an understanding 1072 01:25:51,119 --> 01:25:55,239 to model and track behavior, but we need to have an understanding of what 1073 01:25:55,239 --> 01:26:00,880 we believe reality is. So I think that these are verticals that we need 1074 01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:04,840 to look at in big picture to try to figure this stuff out. So 1075 01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:10,000 if I inspire thought in some way, I'm happy to do that. I 1076 01:26:10,039 --> 01:26:13,560 don't pretend to be an expert in any of this stuff. I'm a student 1077 01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:15,319 and all of it, and a lot of the stuff I study I don't 1078 01:26:15,319 --> 01:26:17,680 hear people talking about in the field, so I'm trying to be the one 1079 01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:21,359 to bring it out. The plan for staticom is it going to be something 1080 01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:27,359 that you can sell as a machine or is it going to be software or 1081 01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:30,960 app or something like that. That's a good question, it deserves an answer. 1082 01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:36,600 So when Lais and I started doing direct radio voice, we were doing 1083 01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:40,640 it for three years before anybody even knew we were doing it. And then 1084 01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:43,760 we started going out to events and bringing this big boombox world band radio, 1085 01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:47,159 just playing white noise and seeing what would happen, which was not as intriguing 1086 01:26:47,159 --> 01:26:51,159 to people who were used to the instant gratification of a ghost box. The 1087 01:26:51,239 --> 01:26:56,079 more we evolved the process, and then with the rath Men's getting involved, 1088 01:26:56,159 --> 01:27:00,279 and then where it became statacom where the live field and slowing it down and 1089 01:27:00,359 --> 01:27:08,520 made as each year went by the vocals got clearer easier to discern. It 1090 01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:13,880 was all done for the what if purposes of, you know, could we 1091 01:27:14,239 --> 01:27:18,840 do what we saw Marcello Bacchi or Annabel Cordoso do with pure white noise from 1092 01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:24,399 a vacant channel. Could we replicate that? And then when we saw that 1093 01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:28,399 it seemed like we could, the next thing we wanted to do was see 1094 01:27:28,399 --> 01:27:33,760 if we could vet the process for being genuine even more, which is why 1095 01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:39,840 I appreciate that you allowed me to speak to the two cynicisms of itc being 1096 01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:46,640 radio leakage or bleed through and then the randomness discernment from white noise, because 1097 01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:51,720 those are the two main things. And then the randomness thing also as a 1098 01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:59,960 as a part one of the whole paradolia thing. So we took that process 1099 01:28:00,079 --> 01:28:02,600 and we again just for research, wanted to see if we could vet the 1100 01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:08,439 authenticity of it, because we not only wanted to replicate what we saw done 1101 01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:11,920 before, we wanted to make sure that we weren't fooling ourselves or missing something 1102 01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:15,039 that was a huge pitfall that could be creating on this and we don't even 1103 01:28:15,079 --> 01:28:20,279 know we're doing it ourselves, so that was why we had done it. 1104 01:28:23,159 --> 01:28:28,439 The model itself is a closed circuit system, so Statacom is a generator that 1105 01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:31,159 makes live white noise. It goes to an interface. The interface goes into 1106 01:28:31,159 --> 01:28:35,119 the computer, which is where the software components are, and then that goes 1107 01:28:35,119 --> 01:28:39,800 directly to a speaker. Does no microphone or ambient input for anything in the 1108 01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:45,039 room to influence it. It does not receive or record signal from radio or 1109 01:28:45,079 --> 01:28:49,960 microphone, so it can't be influenced from outside either, so variance is in 1110 01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:56,720 the white noise or in what you hear audibly should not technically be happening. 1111 01:28:57,560 --> 01:29:01,119 We're availing whoever's communicating white noise, and then we're filtering it out before you 1112 01:29:01,199 --> 01:29:05,600 hear it, so what you only hear in the end is vocal. A 1113 01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:10,880 lot of the components that are in the software are part of it, are 1114 01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:15,840 proprietory, some of them are free. Some of them we paid for over 1115 01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:18,720 the years, so there is an expense element to that, and when we 1116 01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:23,560 paid for them, we license some of them. So not only we don't 1117 01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:28,600 believe we can sell someone's licensed product as an ingredient of a bigger product that 1118 01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:32,479 we make, but if we did that, we would have how many hundreds 1119 01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:39,079 or thousands of licenses in our name with different software developers who made different components 1120 01:29:39,079 --> 01:29:44,680 that are really primarily for music production. Right, So here's what will happen, 1121 01:29:45,239 --> 01:29:50,960 and we don't know when. Because Tony Rathman just made a breakthrough and 1122 01:29:51,039 --> 01:29:55,039 the clarity of the vocals within the last couple of weeks. So we now 1123 01:29:55,079 --> 01:29:58,479 called it two point zero because I felt like it was enough of an improvement 1124 01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:02,399 that were warranted to have something to delineate that it was a step up. 1125 01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:08,479 What will probably happen at some point when we can do it would be we 1126 01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:15,800 would sell a consult with a mapping where we would say we'll put have it 1127 01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:18,279 on a website, right, and we'll have a you can download a PDF 1128 01:30:18,279 --> 01:30:24,920 and it will show you all the components which are literally chained together through what's 1129 01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:30,359 called a digital audio workspace or a virtual studio BST, and these are the 1130 01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:32,479 order that they go, and then each one will have a separate page. 1131 01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:36,680 These are the settings that goes for this one. And like I mentioned earlier, 1132 01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:41,720 if you move the third component to the sixth spot and move the sixth 1133 01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:45,439 component to the third spot, everything that happens after the third spot has all 1134 01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:50,760 be recalibrated or changed because it's going to affect the flow. So it's very 1135 01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:55,079 intricate. So we'll probably sell a consult with a mapping that shows the chain, 1136 01:30:55,479 --> 01:31:00,479 what goes after, what what the settings are for each Maybe some fccues 1137 01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:02,600 will be addressed on the site. Because we don't have the manpower or the 1138 01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:11,000 time to geek squad the entire process for everybody, and we didn't have the 1139 01:31:11,079 --> 01:31:14,159 luxury of that. When I started doing it, I didn't have anybody, 1140 01:31:15,359 --> 01:31:16,880 and then when Tony got on board and I taught him how to do it. 1141 01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:19,840 Now, when I've had technical problems, he and I will be on 1142 01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:24,399 a two hour video call like this and he'll help me, and then when 1143 01:31:24,399 --> 01:31:29,520 he has a problem, I'll help him. And that's two hours between two 1144 01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:32,720 people who developed this and who know what we're doing, or so we think. 1145 01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:38,920 So we want to make it available, but there will be a certain 1146 01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:47,800 onus of understanding and responsibility on the operator, and through that somebody might take 1147 01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:51,920 something that we've done, you know, when we're all gone, or maybe 1148 01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:57,800 before we're gone, and make it better. So we also don't want to 1149 01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:00,119 preach this is it my way or the highway, because there you know, 1150 01:32:00,199 --> 01:32:04,359 if we had done that, we would have even developed this. So we 1151 01:32:04,399 --> 01:32:08,399 want to encourage experimentation with and there are a few people out there now who 1152 01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:15,319 are trying to copy or replicate the model. Some of them are easy to 1153 01:32:15,319 --> 01:32:17,640 see because they're using some of the components we use that are visible when we 1154 01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:21,319 put video out before. But there's a whole bunch of stuff that's hidden that 1155 01:32:21,359 --> 01:32:25,199 you don't see because we don't have the screen real estate to show everything. 1156 01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:30,760 That's how many components are at play here. So that's the answer is it 1157 01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:33,319 was never done to go to market. It was done purely for research. 1158 01:32:33,359 --> 01:32:38,359 I mentioned even earlier Tony made Ghostbox for eleven years, he never sold one. 1159 01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:42,479 He was also just about the research. So we didn't have a plan 1160 01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:45,640 to go to market with this thing when it started getting traction and then, 1161 01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:50,520 based on what I just explained, I think that the website, FAQ's training 1162 01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:57,159 videos and a consult would be the way we we be able to put this 1163 01:32:57,239 --> 01:33:02,399 out there for people. We couldn't do one on one installations and and support. 1164 01:33:02,479 --> 01:33:06,800 It would just be too much. Yeah, sure, yeah, okay, 1165 01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:10,920 yes, thank you for for that. That's a you've answered the question. 1166 01:33:11,039 --> 01:33:14,600 Yeah. Oh, like the method, it's a long, it's a 1167 01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:18,520 long, drunout explanation. But I like to speak to it at length like 1168 01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:21,960 that. Just because it's it. People will think, oh, well, 1169 01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:25,239 this should be in the hands of everybody, what you're doing. It shouldn't 1170 01:33:25,239 --> 01:33:29,720 just be you guys, And well, we agree, but by the same 1171 01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:32,279 token, we also wanted to make sure you know it was developed enough where 1172 01:33:32,319 --> 01:33:35,880 we were comfortable putting what if I sold you version one point zero for a 1173 01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:39,720 couple of grand or one hundreds of dollars or whatever it was, and then 1174 01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:44,000 all of a sudden we make it a change, and now you've got to 1175 01:33:44,039 --> 01:33:45,520 update your whole thing because we're not going to roll out update. It's like 1176 01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:48,039 an app, and I don't think it'll be an app. I don't think 1177 01:33:48,079 --> 01:33:50,640 there'll be an app version of it. I mean, Tony and I both 1178 01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:55,560 had to get gaming computers to have the resources to run all of this. 1179 01:33:55,840 --> 01:34:00,000 I outgrew my first Windows Surface Pro tablet PC trying to run static time as 1180 01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:04,880 it built out, it matched it out. So I don't know that all 1181 01:34:05,039 --> 01:34:08,720 that is going to fit into a phone. I know there are very powerful 1182 01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:16,279 phones, but I don't think, yeah, not that powerful. Interested anyway, 1183 01:34:16,359 --> 01:34:20,880 But anyway, thanks for that run, brilliant. Well, it's been 1184 01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:26,439 absolutely fascinating. Really, it's been an honor. I appreciate your time and 1185 01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:30,760 having me on, and I know I appreciate your time. It's been fantastic 1186 01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:33,680 and I really would like to get you on again with with lord Is next 1187 01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:36,119 time, and maybe even the rest of the team. As I said, 1188 01:34:38,079 --> 01:34:41,279 maybe we can think about July August time. We'll have to try and get 1189 01:34:41,279 --> 01:34:45,800 together and before the before the festival, and that would be fantastic. And 1190 01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:51,119 the ladies from the festival are awesome people. Great, you'll have a great 1191 01:34:51,119 --> 01:34:58,520 time. Nice try and get your trunk, but no, you'll have you'll 1192 01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:01,079 have a great time. And the whole team are great. Yeah, you'll 1193 01:35:01,079 --> 01:35:06,680 find you'll make a lot of friends and that's gonna be fantastic. But all 1194 01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:11,279 all your books, I'll put them on the Paranormal Dimensions page on Facebook. 1195 01:35:11,319 --> 01:35:15,279 I've got a show page. I'll put all the links I can towards you, 1196 01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:17,760 and hopefully we'll get lord Is on the next show as well, at 1197 01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:23,279 least. Yeah, it'd be good to get everybody here, but I'll let 1198 01:35:23,279 --> 01:35:25,760 you go there. Roder, thank you for your time. It's been fantastic 1199 01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:30,239 talking to you. Thanks for letting me share and having me on. And 1200 01:35:30,279 --> 01:35:32,439 I'll look forward to doing it again. Yeah, please do, and you 1201 01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:35,359 take care of yourself and I'll look forward to seeing you and we'll fix it 1202 01:35:35,359 --> 01:35:39,960 out of the show. Please. It's been great, all right, thanks 1203 01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:42,279 for coming on. Thank you, take care of yourself. Thank you too, 1204 01:35:42,359 --> 01:35:45,920 sir, very much. Thank thank you Ron. That was superb. 1205 01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:50,359 Well. I am so looking forward to September and to getting you back on 1206 01:35:50,399 --> 01:35:55,279 the show before that. Now, for my next show, I've got a 1207 01:35:55,319 --> 01:36:00,720 man named Jason Thornton. Now, Jason claims to have been abducted by aliens. 1208 01:36:00,119 --> 01:36:02,720 He's never been on a show before, but he does have a couple 1209 01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:06,840 of Facebook pages that he runs. They do seem pretty convincing. So I 1210 01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:13,319 intend to find out what Jason's all about and investigate his claims. From what 1211 01:36:13,359 --> 01:36:15,680 I've seen, they do seem pretty convincing. But that will be auple to 1212 01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:18,760 use the decide, of course at the end of the day. So that 1213 01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:23,680 next show is on Monday, the first of April. Yeah, it's not 1214 01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:29,399 a joke, okay, that's just an unfortunate date that Jason's been numbered with 1215 01:36:30,279 --> 01:36:34,760 no reflection on Jason, all right, So that's Jason Thornton on Monday, 1216 01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:40,159 the first of April. Right, of course, there's always if you'd like 1217 01:36:40,199 --> 01:36:43,600 to get in touch with me between now and then, My email address is 1218 01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:47,880 David Young too QN at yahoo dot co dot uk. That's David Young to 1219 01:36:48,079 --> 01:36:53,800 q in at Yahoo dot co dot uk. So until that next show on 1220 01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:58,920 the first of April, Monday with Jason Thornton, I wish you all well, 1221 01:36:59,199 --> 01:37:00,640 and I'll speak. Do you think it's like here? Who are? 1222 01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:04,800 Bye? Boy? Time for God to bed? All right? It is 1223 01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:11,399 late, shall we retire? Paranormal Dimensions is as bright and powerful as our 1224 01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:16,159 celestial stars up and although it's expending thousands of pounds of energy every minute of 1225 01:37:16,199 --> 01:38:20,720 the day, have no fear. There's plenty left. Paranormal Dimensions is fortnightly 1226 01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:25,119 on Mondays on the Paranormal UK Radio Network.