WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.600 --> 00:00:08.320 The views and opinions expressed by the guests of Sasquatch Experience do not necessarily reflect 2 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:12.480 the opinion of the host, sponsors, or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience. 3 00:00:12.919 --> 00:00:22.239 As always, listener discretion is advised. We got someone or something crawling around 4 00:00:22.320 --> 00:00:31.039 out here? Does a legend walk among us working in the forests of our 5 00:00:31.079 --> 00:00:37.679 world? Did you see what it was? Was it a person or an 6 00:00:37.719 --> 00:00:40.520 animal? Or I can't go? Oh, I know that if my thunder 7 00:00:40.600 --> 00:00:44.079 light came on and I did happened to gwent and see this thing running across 8 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:47.679 the yard A good sight man or something works like a man. I don't 9 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:56.560 know what it was. For over fifteen years, we've talked with scientists, 10 00:00:56.799 --> 00:01:03.159 researchers, investigators, and witnesses trying to gain insight and proof around the existence 11 00:01:03.439 --> 00:01:12.840 of this mysterious entity. Hello, get somebody out here. What's going to 12 00:01:12.840 --> 00:01:17.239 announce? There's got to avecta about sixty four nine. I don't know, 13 00:01:17.640 --> 00:01:22.200 is he announcer? Yes, I'm walking right out. Okay, hand on, 14 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:26.319 yeah, got it? Bigger? Okay? What's he doing in your 15 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:40.719 yard? We're gonna do you join us as we continue into the investigation of 16 00:01:40.799 --> 00:02:02.959 the Sasquatch Experience, and good evening everybody. Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience. 17 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:07.639 Sean Forker, Vince Nesbitt, James Baker, Matt Arner could be joining us 18 00:02:07.639 --> 00:02:09.840 here in just a little while. Gonna be a little late tonight, so 19 00:02:09.879 --> 00:02:14.240 let's not issue any demerits, but it's great to be here tonight. We 20 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:19.280 got a hell of a show lined up the Siege at Hanubbi. This has 21 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:25.360 been a story that has been that's enthralled me since I started in this, 22 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:31.400 probably when I started getting into the fieldwork in the early two thousands, the 23 00:02:31.439 --> 00:02:37.960 BFRO was really hitting this heavy. It's an incredible story. And of course 24 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:42.560 Vance, you and I have done our research on this show off and off 25 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:45.280 or off and off, on and on and on. I can't talk. 26 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:49.919 That's terrible for a host, and I think for as much as consistency, 27 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:52.479 there isn't the story depending on who's telling it, there's also a lot of 28 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:57.639 variation. And I think it's going to be a fun show to talk tonight 29 00:02:58.199 --> 00:03:02.840 about. Matt was going to give us a little recap of the Forest County 30 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:07.159 Bigfoot Festival. I was not able to make it this weekend sadly, but 31 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:12.759 Matt was there. He was going to give us little recap and our executive 32 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:16.840 producer at some point will report back from what happened at the Florida Bigfoot Conference 33 00:03:17.080 --> 00:03:21.599 this past weekend. Lots of events going on. It is the summertime, 34 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:25.159 and I mean there's just a lot of events in the work. We'd be 35 00:03:25.199 --> 00:03:30.840 remiss if we didn't talk about the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Camping Adventure weekend September sixth and 36 00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:36.159 seventh and Farmington, PA, being put on by Eric Altman and the Pennsylvania 37 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:39.199 Bigfoot Society. All benefits for that event go to charity, and there's a 38 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:46.080 plethora of speakers. You can go to PA Bigfoot Camping adventurewekend dot com and 39 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:53.080 find out more. That's a mouthful, but she said with a We also 40 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:57.680 have another event that you'll hear about in the Bullhorn. But that's the twenty 41 00:03:57.719 --> 00:04:01.639 twenty four Bigfoot Rendezvous put on by our friend Brandon Tennant and the folks at 42 00:04:01.639 --> 00:04:11.240 Squatch Prints, Mike Michael Freeman, Mark Marcell, doctor Jeff Meldrum and of 43 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:15.759 course others are friends at Squatch America will be there. Tickets on sale thirty 44 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:18.560 dollars for two days, which is not bad. Call two zero eight two 45 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:23.639 five to one two zero zero five. That's two zero eight two five one 46 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:28.519 two zero zero five. 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So I'll take that little banner 64 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:55.000 down in front of James Baker because we uh, well that was just funny, 65 00:05:55.120 --> 00:06:00.199 wasn't it. Maybe you should leave it there. I don't know that. 66 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:04.120 Yes you are, folks, if you're in the chatroom here in the 67 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:08.040 chat room the night, stop by and say hi. We're able to see 68 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:11.560 that, and we'd like to get you a little recognition for supporting the show. 69 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:13.920 This show is about you, the listener, So if you have any 70 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:19.879 questions, comments, or want to report your citing info at sasquatch experience dot 71 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:25.720 com. Great to see and of course, our friend Cryptid Creature is reborn 72 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:32.160 over on x is joining us. Thank you, our friend. I would 73 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:35.839 like to engage more in our ex listeners, but for some reason, our 74 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:41.199 chat correspondence does not work on that platform, so be rest assured we do 75 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:44.519 see what you say. I'll try to interact with you, but if we 76 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:50.279 can't read, we can't reply over on X So thanks technology, Thanks Texan. 77 00:06:50.439 --> 00:06:54.839 So excited, gentlemen, what do you got for us before we jump 78 00:06:54.920 --> 00:07:00.920 into the night show? Well, I would be missed if you wouldn't just 79 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:04.120 kind of leak a little bit, you know, just a little bit of 80 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:11.240 tinkle of who our next guest will be on The Sasquatch Experience, because I'm 81 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:15.560 pretty excited about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Technically, I'm just 82 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:18.680 not in the habit of leaking our guests before we have him on the show, 83 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:25.079 just for different reasons. But you're excited. We have William Jevning. 84 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:28.759 He's going to come on The Sasquatch Experience for the very first time. He's 85 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:31.399 going to be on the show. We're going to talk about some very interesting 86 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:35.240 topics. I'm looking forward to talking to him because I've never had the pleasure 87 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:40.800 of interviewing will before, so it'll be great to have him on the show. 88 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:44.879 I just caught a little in our research for tonight's episode. I caught 89 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:47.040 a little bit of an interview that he was a part of, and he 90 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:53.199 and I share some similar thought processes on some behaviors. So it's going to 91 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:56.519 be great to have him on the show. I'm sure it'll be a spirited, 92 00:07:56.560 --> 00:08:01.360 lively discussion and here he is the man of the hour. Matt Arner, 93 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:05.000 how's it going. Don't worry, Matt, the audience already forgave you. 94 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:11.959 We're not issuing any demerits, okay, but there will be a fine 95 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:15.439 Yeah. So, Matt, you were at the Forest County Bigfoot Festival. 96 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:20.600 How did it turn up on Sunday? So there's a big difference between Saturday 97 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:24.639 and Sunday. I taught to you a lot of people that said that Saturday 98 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:31.480 it was incredibly packed, which is good. You know that that's a great 99 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:37.919 thing. It got to the point where some people were probably uncomfortable with how 100 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:43.720 packed it was. I love Forrest County. I love Marionville, I think 101 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:50.039 from the scuttle but I've been hearing is they love it too, but they're 102 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:56.559 thinking about another location for the festival that might be a little bigger and better. 103 00:08:56.240 --> 00:09:03.480 It is it is money. It's a small hamlet, Yeah it is. 104 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:07.000 And uh so, I because I guess there were some problems with Route 105 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:11.000 sixty six, which is a main thoroughfare there. They had to close the 106 00:09:11.159 --> 00:09:16.399 fire police, you know, shutting it down every you know, two minutes 107 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:20.799 to let people cross. But I was there on Sunday, Sunday. The 108 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:30.399 crowd was perfect. I'm not big with crowds, so it was just enough 109 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:35.960 people there too, you know, uh make the vendors happy and the uh 110 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:41.639 and the people that were doing the presentations happy. But it wasn't you know, 111 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:46.320 to the point where you were swimming through people to get from one point 112 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:48.960 to another. So I would suggest, like, if if you do go, 113 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:52.879 it is a three day festival, Sunday is a great day to go. 114 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:58.519 The only thing though, is on Sunday, I came up there see 115 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:07.360 Turtle Man and he was already gone. So Turtleman and Cliff they left Turtleman 116 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:13.480 Live Action, but yeah, he was I think they left on Saturday or 117 00:10:13.519 --> 00:10:18.519 early Sunday. And uh, but it was nice because uh I got to 118 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:22.720 spend a lot of time with with our good friends and uh uh you know, 119 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:30.320 I got to have my wife meet some some people, and I'm talked 120 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:33.120 to a couple of people I think, I'm you might work on some new 121 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:37.679 projects with and uh yeah. Yeah, So it was Uh, it was 122 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:43.720 good and if I'm not mistaken, wasn't Cliff Berrickman there also. He was 123 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:46.519 there on Saturday, I guess Friday and Saturday, okay, and but but 124 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:52.559 he left either late Saturday or early Sunday morning, So there was no Cliff, 125 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:56.159 no Turtleman. Uh. But the rest of the group was there except 126 00:10:56.200 --> 00:11:01.639 for and and I don't you know, uh Michael Cook. He left, 127 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:05.799 uh right around the time that my wife and I got up there. So 128 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:13.759 I was looking forward to getting some some of his sauces, but uh, 129 00:11:13.279 --> 00:11:20.039 the Sasquatch sauces. So next time I see him, I'll definitely definitely do 130 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:22.399 in order. But out of like you know, the rest of the group. 131 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:26.080 I everyone was still there, like I said, with the exception of 132 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:31.559 Michael, who left a little early. And uh, like I said, 133 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:33.600 it was a it was a great time. Got to spend some time with 134 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:39.279 Snuffy, uh talking to him and uh yeah, I was seeing his latest 135 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:46.360 creations with the woodcarving. I was talking to Mike Familian from in the Shadow 136 00:11:46.360 --> 00:11:52.840 of the Red Eye. Any any new reports coming that weekend, Matt from 137 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:58.360 anybody. I don't know if I can. There's a report that came out 138 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:07.080 on fate book. Yes, and with another group where supposedly you know, 139 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:11.720 and I'd have to delve a little more into it. But they're claiming that 140 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:18.440 they that they had a handprint on on a car and they were collecting the 141 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:22.240 this you know, the SEEBAM uh for analysis. They didn't say where they 142 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:26.919 were sending it to. I'm hoping that they sent it to the North Carolina 143 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:33.399 State uh uh a program, because I mean that is fantastic and they're the 144 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:37.960 ones that are gonna you know, I have a lot of they know how 145 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:45.159 to collect it. I think they do. I think they do. It's 146 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:50.639 a very bigger name. I guess some Pennsylvania. So that's uh that said 147 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:58.879 that, uh there, their vehicle was touched with a large handprint. But 148 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:05.759 other than that, yeah, I didn't hear too much. And generally on 149 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:13.080 days like like in June, uh there there is uh you know. I 150 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:18.720 I think some of the reports kind of slow down in in the areas where 151 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:22.039 you do get a lot of people. I think, uh, you know, 152 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:26.720 they just kind of push out there. Yeah, yeah, they're they're 153 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:31.200 going into the into the you know, deeper areas. So with the exception 154 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:35.159 of the report that I took from last year, it was you know, 155 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:39.799 basically one year from today, uh from this weekend, but uh that was 156 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:45.480 out that was you know, uh way to the east of UH of the 157 00:13:45.879 --> 00:13:50.159 F and Marionville. But there were people I did talk to a lot of 158 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:54.960 people that were out car camping. One thing I can I can definitely say 159 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:58.720 about the A and F if anyone has been up there is uh it's a 160 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:07.840 federal or it's a federal park, it's national forest. But their camping system 161 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:11.759 if you're not going to you know, one of the main campgrounds, they 162 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:18.799 have these car camping disperse camping spots throughout that entire forest, so you could 163 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:22.440 just pull up. They allowed you to stay there for I think up to 164 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:26.320 ten days, ten continuous days. So there's a lot of spots up there 165 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:31.159 that that you know, over the weekend you just went to car camp or 166 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:35.639 or set up a tent, you know, and your your vehicle. You 167 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:37.840 could do it up there in the A n F. No promina. There 168 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:43.360 you go. Matt, thank you for that recap of the the event and 169 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:48.440 that good camping tips. Everybody appreciates a good camping tip. Yeah, absolutely, 170 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:52.320 I gotta you know, when we go camping, Matt, the bears 171 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:56.399 put their food up in the trees to hide they do they do? Man, 172 00:14:56.440 --> 00:15:01.919 that was a really bad Louis Anderson joke. By the way, rest 173 00:15:01.960 --> 00:15:07.000 in peace. Louis Anderson was a Louis Anderson jeb from back. Anyhow, 174 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:09.879 everybody here that's listening is here for a purpose tonight, and that's for the 175 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:16.000 siege of a Nubbi. And and Matt, Baker Jane or Baker James, 176 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:18.960 you're the same damn person. Vance, What are your thoughts going into this? 177 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:24.960 What? What are your preconceived notions of the siege and the whole story. 178 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:26.720 Matt will start with you and then we'll go to Vance, and then 179 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:33.759 we'll go to Baker. You know what I mean. Yeah, the bfr 180 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:37.559 O investigated this. There were several other people that looked into it. You 181 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:46.679 know, the family members have been on you know, another podcast. I 182 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:52.360 don't know, you know, I mean, it's it's indicative of h of 183 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:58.200 a behavior, of a territorial behavior. But uh man, there's there's some 184 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:02.759 things that just kind of I can't say they threw up flags, you know, 185 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:04.559 like when I say they threw out flags, like you know, there's 186 00:16:04.600 --> 00:16:08.840 things that you know, I saw it, you know, something and it 187 00:16:10.159 --> 00:16:15.759 popped away and flew you know that that would throw up a red flag or 188 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:18.840 like like we mentioned, you know, they see it every single time they 189 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:22.919 go camping. You know, that's definitely rich. But there were some flags 190 00:16:22.120 --> 00:16:26.919 that that that came up in particular about the shooting, you know, you 191 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:33.519 know, uh, in particular, you know about just their general you know, 192 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:37.039 attitude that they had in regards to uh, you know, what they 193 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:41.440 thought. And again, you know, most people know what I do when, 194 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:45.120 you know, but the attitudes that they had towards the local law enforcement 195 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:49.720 and you know, any of the other other people out there. They these 196 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:55.159 people were, hey, we're going to do this all on our own attitude, 197 00:16:55.159 --> 00:16:59.080 which I don't you know, necessarily disagree with. I'm I'm you know 198 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:03.159 very much a person tries to mean be so sufficient. But at the same 199 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:07.160 point, you know, when you're firing uh, you know, large rounds, 200 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:11.440 you know, every single night, you know, at something that you 201 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:15.279 know may or may not be human. You know, there's some issues you 202 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:19.640 probably want you probably do want to call the sheriff's office the situation, right, 203 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:25.759 but right, yes, yes it did, yes it did, and 204 00:17:25.960 --> 00:17:29.240 uh so anyways, yeah, there's there's a couple of things about it, 205 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:33.200 but I'll say this for later, but I'll pass. Yeah, excellent, 206 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:38.480 go ahead. Vance. Well, let's just kind of group everybody in that 207 00:17:38.680 --> 00:17:45.160 may not be familiar with the sie jed Hanobia. Hanobia is a location, 208 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:55.359 uh area in Oklahoma. And Hanobia is actually in the southeast corner, not 209 00:17:55.480 --> 00:18:00.359 all the way, but in the southeast corner of Oklahoma, right tip of 210 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:03.079 the southeast corner where they would come write not the tip of the panandle no, 211 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:08.559 but you were the body clubs there, but it's still in It's in 212 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:18.000 circumference to eastern Texas and Arkansas, so you're talking the Texarcana and you know 213 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:23.640 the southeastern Oklahoma. How many reports came out of the same, similar type 214 00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:32.359 of aggressive activity of this creature. So the individual is named Mike. Mike 215 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:37.920 bought thirty acres in Hanobia in a remote location and from what I understood, 216 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:49.359 it was adjacent to his father who owned ten acres right and before he actually 217 00:18:49.400 --> 00:18:53.440 purchased the property, and this is a matter of a couple of days, 218 00:18:55.279 --> 00:19:00.359 he'd go out to the property and he had two daytime sightings. But this 219 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:07.160 is in two thousand. This is before the revolution of the smartphone and the 220 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:12.880 internet, all coming to fruition, and he saw these things twice in a 221 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:18.160 daytime sighting, but he did not know what to make of it. Then 222 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:23.759 it was the very thing his his that happened before two thousand the BFO comes 223 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:26.599 back. I'll take that to you, yes, right, So I mean, 224 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:30.519 I just want to establish a timeline for these folks that some of this 225 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:34.640 was happening, Like the BFO just didn't come in and this stuff happened. 226 00:19:36.359 --> 00:19:38.799 Like if you read the narrative you kind of get that impression there were things 227 00:19:38.839 --> 00:19:41.799 that happened before that you're getting into it. I don't mean the step two 228 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:48.039 years. Yeah, that's finally. I just want to kind of establish the 229 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:52.519 technology event that was happening at that time, because it just did not exist. 230 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:56.039 And of course, you know, Bigfoot was not a part of the 231 00:19:56.079 --> 00:20:00.759 culture as it is today. Back then, a lot of this was just 232 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:06.359 a mysterious thing. And you talk about Bigfoot and Oklahoma, it's like, 233 00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:10.799 what are you crazy? And these things are here and it was a miss. 234 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:18.079 It was complete mystery. So I understood by the testimony of what Mike 235 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:23.279 is sharing by you close your eyes, when you put yourself in his shoes, 236 00:20:23.440 --> 00:20:29.359 with what was available at the time, and of course things started to 237 00:20:29.519 --> 00:20:33.960 ramp up. Uh with his family. Uh. These things were coming up 238 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:38.240 to the house, looking in the windows, rolling its lips back, showing 239 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:41.599 its teeth, growling at the kids. The kids would be in the yard, 240 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:45.279 these things would be in the tree line, growling at the kids. 241 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:52.400 There was just so much intense activity that was happening at that time. And 242 00:20:53.240 --> 00:20:59.920 the story is completely fascinating to listen to for Mike and of course his brother 243 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:03.359 Tim, you know, he he gets involved in this whole story too, 244 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:08.559 because he doesn't deny anything that was happening. But to imagine the fact that 245 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:15.519 you're in this home in this remote area in Oklahoma and your house I think 246 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:18.200 Mike said, you know, when he first moved into the house, he 247 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:22.440 heard slapping on the front door and he thought, whoa this is in you 248 00:21:22.440 --> 00:21:26.880 know, in the middle of the night, or what's going on here? 249 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:30.160 And he opens up the front door thinking maybe somebody is there and there's nothing. 250 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:34.440 But then you know, the kids are having these things looking in at 251 00:21:34.480 --> 00:21:37.799 them on the window. They have a picture window on the front of their 252 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:42.960 house and there's things looking in on them. This is aggressive behavior. They 253 00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:48.079 have rocks throwing at them. Okay, let's let's slow down a little bit 254 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:57.640 because I know you're just you're just right. You skip the four play and 255 00:21:57.680 --> 00:22:02.720 went right to the game. Well that's kind of what I do. Yeah. 256 00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:11.480 Well, and you wonder why more wonder why? All right, Baker, 257 00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:14.119 any thoughts going into this before? And then Henry, Hey, buddy, 258 00:22:14.119 --> 00:22:17.279 how you doing down there? I see you sneak in. Good to 259 00:22:17.279 --> 00:22:22.119 see you, Henry. Uh, go ahead, Baker. So what I 260 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:25.759 read of it, A lot of it, I mean, without going into 261 00:22:25.839 --> 00:22:29.559 real details, it seems like there's a lot of evidence to be found, 262 00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:33.960 but not as much like produced, and that's to me a flag. But 263 00:22:34.039 --> 00:22:38.599 at least they didn't take fifty pictures in circle, you know, I mean 264 00:22:38.720 --> 00:22:41.000 like so, I mean, and we just talked about, you know, 265 00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:45.319 how somebody touched the car and they got all this information. If we only 266 00:22:45.319 --> 00:22:51.559 would have known that same information when we were talking about this case, because 267 00:22:52.039 --> 00:22:56.079 you know, as Vans alluded to by telling the whole story, I mean, 268 00:22:56.119 --> 00:22:59.039 this thing was all touchy up in that house, you know, like 269 00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:02.759 you could have you know, you know, fingerprints, all kinds of stuff 270 00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:06.599 that we'd have thought things that way, right, But it was clear from 271 00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:11.799 the testimony that there's by far more than one individual. Right, Well, 272 00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:14.240 I get that, but you still, like I said, like, that's 273 00:23:14.279 --> 00:23:17.799 one of the flags for me, is that when when they see it multiple 274 00:23:17.799 --> 00:23:22.359 times and it keeps coming back and whatever, there's a point where I don't 275 00:23:22.359 --> 00:23:26.200 know if it's if it's that aggressive, you think it would leave, you 276 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:30.839 know, like it slaps across the door, there would be like a smudge 277 00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:33.039 mark or there be you know what I mean, there'd be physical Yeah, 278 00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:37.559 but at this point we're talking, you know, nineteen ninety eight, ninety 279 00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:44.880 nine, two thousand, right, this wasn't in the mainstream culture of let's 280 00:23:44.920 --> 00:23:49.440 figure out what this thing is. This is just a fairy tale sebum wasn't 281 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:53.279 in our vocabulary, and no, not at all, right, and so 282 00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:56.799 so what's going on? And they also could have thought it was a bear, 283 00:23:56.279 --> 00:24:00.279 you know. Well, I mean there's no mistaken with these folks scene 284 00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:03.680 when you start talking about well, I mean, once they started seeing seeing 285 00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:06.480 and I'm just saying at first, with the noises against the house and stuff 286 00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:08.960 like that, no, no, no, and that. But that's the 287 00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:15.200 thing. First of all, let's set some let's let some clear background on 288 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:18.200 these these gentlemen. These guys have lived in this area, these wooded area 289 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:22.559 their entire lives. They know what's there. They they're experienced outdoors people. 290 00:24:25.640 --> 00:24:33.079 The brother Mike, had two daytime settings of the creature before what had happened 291 00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:38.559 on this podcasting, and he didn't even want to tell his brother at first 292 00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:44.480 that he saw these things. He didn't want to have that conversation. Now, 293 00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:48.160 like Van says, it's thirty acres of property nestled against the father's ten 294 00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:52.680 acres in Oklahoma, Southeast Oklahoma and Lafleur County. I mean, I think 295 00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:57.319 that kind of goes between two counties in the background, but Lafleor's, you 296 00:24:57.319 --> 00:25:07.079 know, were predominantly this right now. The one thing that changed Tim's I 297 00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:10.599 guess, I don't want to say perspective, but Tim and his wife were 298 00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:18.880 having dinner one night and there was this horrendous scream, and this scream Tim 299 00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:25.519 felt through his entire body, and it reverbed so strongly that it shook the 300 00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:30.279 china set inside a cabinet. YEP. All right, And more and more 301 00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:33.799 they went around the property, they started observing these creatures. You're not talking 302 00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:41.920 about long term observations, but brief observations. Jeremiah goes. I've been podcasting 303 00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:45.839 for five years. This is the one event in Bigfoot history that multiple people 304 00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:51.640 during interviews have said no comment when I bring it up in questions. Good 305 00:25:51.640 --> 00:25:56.160 observation from Jeremiah. There. Now, Mike is laying in bed four o'clock 306 00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:59.839 in the morning. Something would come up and would rap on the door. 307 00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:03.559 Something would come and bang on his bedroom window and bang on the house. 308 00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:06.720 It would throw rocks in the middle of the night. And for a while 309 00:26:06.759 --> 00:26:10.400 this was happening once a week, he'd get up, there'd be nobody outside, 310 00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:14.079 like something, you know. Then he would start seeing something. He 311 00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:18.640 would see something start peeking in his windows. And this stops happening from once 312 00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:25.839 a week that it became almost a nightly thing, right for you know, 313 00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:29.640 just ongoing. Now. The one point is, up to this point it 314 00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:32.960 never tried to enter the house, and for the longest point it never did 315 00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:36.160 try to enter the house. It made a lot of noise, it made 316 00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:38.079 a lot of scare, it made a lot of threatening gestures, but it 317 00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:44.720 never never tried to break into the house. So when we start looking at 318 00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:48.319 things like motive, one of the things we find out is that on the 319 00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:55.119 property there's a shed and inside the shed they would hang deer carcass because you 320 00:26:55.160 --> 00:27:00.480 know they're outdoorsmen, they're hunters. Well dear carcass. I believe five correct, 321 00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:06.119 five five dear carcasses. And the one morning they woke up they had 322 00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:08.920 him hanging up there, just drying out, doing their thing. All the 323 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:15.079 carcasses were gone. Next morning. Something had stolen the carcasses. Now, 324 00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:18.240 this is an interesting story. We started talking about red flags. But let 325 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:23.279 me tell you why this doesn't surprise me. Ray and I were up on 326 00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:26.680 Old Group fourteen. Matt, you're probably familiar with that sat up in Pennsylvania, 327 00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:32.200 not fifteen. Old Group fourteen goes up into the trout Run area and 328 00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:36.559 we were up there talking to a gentleman. We had actually got stuck in 329 00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:38.240 a snow store. Make a long story short. We had the hike and 330 00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:42.599 we couldn't find anybody living out there in these cabins. Went into this little 331 00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:47.680 cabin esque area and there was a man who lived out there year round. 332 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:49.839 He happened to be out there, knocked on the door, asked if we 333 00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:55.559 could use his phone. And while we're waiting for my father to come and 334 00:27:55.599 --> 00:27:57.599 retrieve us. He know, he asked, what are you doing up here? 335 00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:00.119 And we said, hey, well, you know, this is what 336 00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:03.920 we're doing. We're up here following up on a bigfoot report. He goes 337 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:07.359 bigfoot, huh, and he starts telling us that every year around the end 338 00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:10.440 of August, something comes around and they can tell it's there because of the 339 00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:14.559 smell an absence of some of the other wildlife, and they could tell it's 340 00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:18.519 there because of the smell. And one year, in a hunting season, 341 00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:22.680 he had a deer hanging up on his back porch, hanging up, and 342 00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:29.319 then the next morning it was gone. Something stole the carcass, didn't drag 343 00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:33.680 it away. There was no drag signs, no indication it was gone, 344 00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:38.960 right, And why that's you know, I kind of draw parallels. So 345 00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:45.519 when I start hearing I start reading this story, I start thinking about different 346 00:28:45.559 --> 00:28:49.759 situations I've encountered in my investigations that even though we may not have hit fourteen 347 00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:55.079 different points in every investigation, maybe something I can pull away from every investigation. 348 00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:57.480 And the important thing that I want you guys and I want the listeners 349 00:28:57.559 --> 00:29:03.079 to know is that this happened in the late nineties early two thousands, ninety 350 00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:07.200 percent of this information that we're putting out here today didn't wasn't out then. 351 00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:11.519 Right today, as I said, ad nauseum, we make it easy for 352 00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:18.559 us to hoax. Back then, it was with the details these folks were 353 00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:22.440 providing. It wasn't stuff that was commonly talked about. Right. There weren't 354 00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:26.759 podcasts, there weren't TV shows. There was none of that going on, 355 00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:30.839 which is why I start lending a little bit more credence to this story. 356 00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:36.519 Now let's go again to they had thirty chickens cooped up, oh right, 357 00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:40.839 right, and they were all gone when they woke up one morning, all 358 00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:45.079 the thirty chickens were gone, sands, a trail of eggs that were cracked 359 00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:51.119 open and the inners sucked out, leading into the forest. Matt, who 360 00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:56.480 do you and I know that hash chickens and their chicken coops perpetually being disturbed. 361 00:29:56.799 --> 00:30:02.119 That would be our friend Gwen from gott knockercy right, yep, Hey, 362 00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:06.920 Jay, how you doing. Yeah, one of our sponsors of the 363 00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:11.680 show too, by the way. But we start drawing parallels, and it's 364 00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:15.920 when I start thinking about this thing holistically, that a lot of the red 365 00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:21.799 flags that I may have had years ago disappear because now we're seeing a pattern 366 00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:26.039 of behavior. Let's get to some things that are pretty startling. And this 367 00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:29.519 is what bothers me a little bit about this. The kids are out back, 368 00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:33.880 playing in a pasture area near the tree line. Right. The kids 369 00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:36.119 would be out there just doing their regular thing. Now, the kids, 370 00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:40.039 I believe at this point, had experienced the creatures looking in the window. 371 00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:45.720 I think they have had that encounter, yes, But the kids when they 372 00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:49.400 would play in the yard, three to four of these creatures would come up 373 00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:53.359 to the tree line and scream at them. It would throw rocks, and 374 00:30:53.400 --> 00:31:00.359 it would shake the trees, matt tree shaking, and it just right the 375 00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:04.319 hell out of these kids. And the family had enough and they just wanted 376 00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:10.759 these things gone. And we'll go through and we can we can talk about 377 00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:12.160 more of this. But one of the things I want to bring up right 378 00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:19.920 now is they had set up motion detectors around the property to deter these things 379 00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:22.319 for bidding on the house. Because, folks, you're talking about every night 380 00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:26.039 these creatures are coming out and pounding on the walls, pounding on the wind, 381 00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:30.400 tapping on the windows, not trying to make entry. Into the home, 382 00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:36.039 but trying to, I firmly believe, get him the hell out of 383 00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:38.240 there. I don't think these things wanted them in their territory, right. 384 00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:45.200 So they set up these motion detectors, and one day, I don't know 385 00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:48.839 if it was Mike or Tim, but they noticed that the motion detectors stopped 386 00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:52.480 working. They were no longer being effective. And he's walking around the house 387 00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:56.519 and I got goosebumps on this. I'm sorry because this really freaking disturb me. 388 00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:00.839 And I don't know if you guys heard this or not. They found 389 00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:07.000 these sticks laid in the direct path of the detector. As he's trying to 390 00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:10.440 figure out what these sticks are, he realized that if you stay behind these 391 00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:19.160 sticks, you won't trigger the motion sensor. Huh. And so he's noticing 392 00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:24.160 these sticks all around the property and then he had kicked him up. I'll 393 00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:28.839 go back to say that when they put the motion detectors up, things settled 394 00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:31.319 down for a little while. The light was driving them away, but then 395 00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:37.039 they adapted. Yeah, and so it didn't trigger the motion detectors, and 396 00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:44.200 he messed all the sticks up the next day. From my understanding and the 397 00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:47.920 source I got this from the motion detectors. The motion light sensors were pointed 398 00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:55.759 up in the air, and then it all started again. And now guy, 399 00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:59.519 that just vance. I'll let you take over from there for a little 400 00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:00.960 bit to continue want the store. But that gives me, you know, 401 00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:07.400 first off, let's go back to the deer carcass. It's the least amount 402 00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:13.200 of calories spent to gather a meal. You don't have to hunt for it 403 00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:16.480 and run through the woods to get it. It's there, and it broke 404 00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:22.799 in to the shed to get the deer carcass. That makes total sense to 405 00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:27.799 me. There were a couple of other points also brought up from Mike, 406 00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:34.119 who's this was his property, where he did witness them standing in the yard 407 00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:40.240 with a yard light that was on and at this point they didn't care about 408 00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:44.920 the light anymore. Yeah, the motion tector thing, Yeah, they put 409 00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:49.799 the sticks there, but it got to the point where they're becoming so brazen 410 00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:54.640 that he saw them in the yard just swaying back and forth in the light 411 00:33:55.799 --> 00:34:00.759 plain as day. And this was enough, you know, just okay, 412 00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:04.200 uh, this is where I pulled the switch and say, yeah, I'm 413 00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:07.480 moving to the in the middle of New York or Chicago. I'm out. 414 00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:14.119 I want nothing to do with this anymore. But again, let's go back 415 00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:20.119 in time as to the time period of when all this is happening. This 416 00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:23.519 is all new. This is all new to Mike and to Tim. They 417 00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:30.599 there is not enough information out there to go what do you do? You 418 00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:35.519 know, they did contact the BFRO. They felt that the BFRO kind of 419 00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:37.519 let them down in a big way because they wanted to go in and do 420 00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:42.639 research instead of getting rid of this stuff. But you know, pull that 421 00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:45.280 in after that. We'll pull that in after the break. But yeah, 422 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:49.039 let's do that before we take the break on that dance. One of the 423 00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:52.800 things I wanted to talk about as well is that if it was just the 424 00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:58.440 regular family, you know, these things were getting brazen, okay, and 425 00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:02.039 it started displaying aggressive behavior to people that were trying to come on to the 426 00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:07.920 property. So there's a store. Their sister was opening the gate and trying 427 00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:12.480 to get in with her kids, and three creatures stepped out of the tree 428 00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:17.519 line and approached her as she scared the crap out of her, and she 429 00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:22.320 sped off to the house. The brothers went outside with assault rifles and they 430 00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:27.000 were held bent on you know, trying to get some answers and find something, 431 00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:31.159 and they found nothing. Then I guess it was not long later that 432 00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:39.079 their niece showed up to visit and experienced the same damn thing. Right now, 433 00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:45.519 The next night, I believe the head on an unhealed broken ankle. 434 00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:50.920 Maybe correct, that sounds right? Vance that does so again you might be 435 00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:54.440 thinking of something. Hey, here's an opportunity to Lord knows what. Thank 436 00:35:54.440 --> 00:36:00.559 god that didn't happen. But the next night there was another creature witnessed looking 437 00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:05.599 into a window, and one of the brothers, I think it was Mike, 438 00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:07.159 was like, I said, I've had enough of this shit. He 439 00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:12.960 went out, He took shots at it, hit it three times. It 440 00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:16.800 tried to get up. The creatures began to attack, which I believe was 441 00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:21.840 a diversion for them to get the other creature up and out of the area 442 00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:25.440 as the other two other creatures picked it up and ran into the woods. 443 00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:31.400 Later that night, the house is attacked again and this is where the shooting 444 00:36:31.400 --> 00:36:37.559 out. The shootout happens and it lasts for hours until dawn. Coincidentally, 445 00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:40.960 there was a report from a logger who saw two bigfoot carrying a wounded or 446 00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:51.480 dead Bigfoot through the forests. So got you're talking about some real high high 447 00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:57.599 tension that happens here and then right right and after this all this is where 448 00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:01.840 I write in my notes. Then it escalated and we'll come back after the 449 00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:06.000 break. We'll talk about the biff our own involvement, how it ramps up, 450 00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:09.079 and well, folks, just stick around for the sie jahannabi as we 451 00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:13.519 carry on with this, take a quick break smoking if you got him, 452 00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:17.079 We'll be back. Sasquatch is coming to downtown Canton, Ohio on June twenty 453 00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:22.320 eighth and twenty ninth from Monster Fest two. Small Town Monsters is back for 454 00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:25.039 our second annual event, and this year we're pulling out all the stops. 455 00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:30.519 See the premiere of Cursed Waters Creature of Lake Okanagan at the Canton Palace Theater 456 00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:34.079 on June twenty eighth, and then join us at the Hilton Double Tree on 457 00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:37.960 June twenty ninth for vendors, speakers, orp shops, film screenings, and 458 00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:42.800 much more. 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I'm i okay, curious, okay, 467 00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:37.079 okay, so dita and signed opah pizza sits nombert on Opa Pitta says did 468 00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:38.760 this? He's alidy is a house like couple alitis a house with mine handed 469 00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:46.920 about on uh about it's he eats pizza d house about nine on CD commedication 470 00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:52.840 with mine haunted about Hi pizza d q sh abou nine. How about dear 471 00:38:52.840 --> 00:39:09.480 gross high cates p abou nine. I'll I'm sound javou und guten taga mine 472 00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:16.880 frauines geevance. Why with the German overtones tonight? Well there are two reasons. 473 00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:21.199 But first off, this is the big foot bullhorn right here on the 474 00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:27.599 Sasquatch experience. Yeah. Reason number one is that we are coming off the 475 00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:35.599 eightieth anniversary of the US and Allied forces liberating France and portions of Europe in 476 00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:43.880 the D Day invasion from Nazi Germany, Deutschland, Deutschland Uberles. And what's 477 00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:49.719 reason number two, you may ask, Well, anthropologists recently identified two fossilized 478 00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:55.079 teeth and a single kneecap that appear to belong to a never before seen species 479 00:39:55.599 --> 00:40:02.840 of Grade ape, Baronius manfred, with an estimated weight of about twenty two 480 00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:07.840 pounds you know, small dog or a chonky cat. The newfound species is 481 00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:15.679 the smallest grade ape to be identified. The remains were unearthed at Hammerschneide clay 482 00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:21.400 pit in southeast Germany, at a layer dated to the Late Miocene epoch, 483 00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:28.480 around eleven point six million years ago. The tiny ape wasn't the only hominid 484 00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:34.519 to live here during this period. Between twenty fifteen and twenty eighteen, researchers 485 00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:43.199 digging at the Hummerschneide fossil site discovered that the remains of Danuvius, another species 486 00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:47.920 of grade ape. And get this, it was bipedal judging by their size 487 00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:54.320 difference. The researchers believe these two species of apes led very different lifestyles. 488 00:40:54.840 --> 00:41:00.719 The kneecap and teeth of Baronius suggest that they were skilled tree climbers and ate 489 00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:07.800 a diet of soft foods such as leaves, while Danuvius had a surprisingly upright 490 00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:15.159 posture, suggesting that it spent most of its time on the ground. By 491 00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:21.119 occupying different niches, the two species were able to share a habitat without directly 492 00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:28.360 competing for resources, much like that relationship between the modern gibbons and orangutans that 493 00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:37.199 share habitats in Borneo and Sumatra. The discovery of Baronius makes Thummersnaid the only 494 00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:43.519 Miocene site in Europe that is known to have more than one species of extinct 495 00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:49.800 ape. The researchers believe their new studies should encourage others to re examine fossils 496 00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:59.880 from other European sites and potentially reveal more examples of dual ape cohabitating behavior. 497 00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:06.679 When we come back, Yes, there's a fun event in tribute to one 498 00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:09.719 of the great researchers in the Bigfoot community, and we will tell you all 499 00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:16.199 about it. You're listening to the big football horn right here on the Sasquatch 500 00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:27.719 Experience. Hello, I'm Vance Nusbitt, and you may know me from the 501 00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:35.320 hit show Sasquatch Experience. 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Why Pocatello, 509 00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:47.719 Idaho, you might ask, Well, it's the hometown of doctor Jeff 510 00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:53.480 Meldrum, who will be speaking along with others like Michael Freeman, son of 511 00:43:53.559 --> 00:44:01.199 Paul Freeman, Nico Spotafora, and David Ellis, along with Squatch America. 512 00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:10.440 For tickets and info, you can go to Sasquatchprince dot com again, Sasquatchprince 513 00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:17.159 dot com, or you can call to zero eight two five one to zero 514 00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:22.280 zero five to zero eight two five to one, two thousand and five. 515 00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:30.599 We'd love to see you at the twenty twenty four Bigfoot Rendezvous in Pocatello, 516 00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:37.159 Idaho. Thanks again for listening to this edition of the Bigfoot Bullhorn right here 517 00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:42.519 on the Sasquatch Experience, and as Bigfoot always says, after an encounter, 518 00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:57.960 I'm tearing we meet again. Keep your toes in the mind. Thanks man 519 00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:05.159 for that wonderful well little mid show uh reprieve, Thank you very mid tarsal 520 00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:09.079 break, mid tarsal break a clever I like what you did there. Yes, 521 00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:13.599 corny as hell, but that's us folks, Asquatch experienced Sean Forker, 522 00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:15.880 James Baker, Vance Nesbit, Matt Arder, and Henry May. Henry, 523 00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:20.199 we didn't get the pull or you know, get any opinion from you on 524 00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:23.920 this encounter of the siege at ed Hanobi. What are your thoughts. You're 525 00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:28.599 probably the most seasoned one of us. Here your thoughts on this on this 526 00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:38.880 encounter, this is probably one of the you might say, amazing one of 527 00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:45.239 the most amazing encounters that you could ever read about. I highly recommend everyby 528 00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:52.400 read The Locals by Tom Powell because it has the most detailed information about this 529 00:45:52.679 --> 00:46:04.159 before, about this this series of reports, and it's just to me it 530 00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:07.280 sounds pretty credible because, as you point out, Sean, a lot of 531 00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:12.280 the stuff that we know now about Sasquatch we didn't know back in the late 532 00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:19.719 nineties and early two thousands. I've heard the train, the train's coming. 533 00:46:20.199 --> 00:46:22.159 Oh even we're even getting a serenade from Henry to I listened to that. 534 00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:27.480 But the chapter of the book, it's chapter four of The Locals by Tom 535 00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:31.039 Palell. Easy Pickens is the name of that, and I reference that because 536 00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:37.000 I read it in preparation for this show. It does give the most detailed 537 00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:44.039 I think the one thing it gives is a little ending to this because Henry, 538 00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:46.280 you can correct me if I'm wrong, Advance, Matt or anybody. 539 00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:54.920 This story just goes cold. Yeah, well, we need to pick up, 540 00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:59.559 you know, a little bit after the whole shooting, because we left 541 00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:08.679 off after the shooting and the technical so it stated the killing of the one 542 00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:15.360 individual, and that's where things kind of really ramped up because prior to that, 543 00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:21.039 the statement was they never tried to break into the home. Correct, 544 00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:24.599 they were just irritating the home. But after the killing, these things wanted 545 00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:30.159 to get into the house. Is it to seek revenge and annihilate whatever's in 546 00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:35.840 the house. That was left up the question. But they definitely became much 547 00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:39.840 more aggressive after that event happened. Right, you have the story of I 548 00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:45.719 believe it's the big gray one that is so tall it actually has to duck 549 00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:50.599 down to look into the window. Right, they go out and this big 550 00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:55.239 one, this very large creature creature decides it's just going to start coming out 551 00:47:55.239 --> 00:48:00.480 in the open. It gives no fus anymore. Pardon my French. This 552 00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:06.039 thing is really starts to get into this intimidating if this was a horror movie 553 00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:08.880 Michael Myers esque behavior. It just pops out in the middle of the day 554 00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:14.760 whenever, out into the property. Like this thing is really trying to generate 555 00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:21.440 that fierce story. And they felt that when this large creature would appear, 556 00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:25.519 it was trying to bait them out. I mean, and let me tell 557 00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:30.360 you, guys, shit gets real because then all of a sudden enters the 558 00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:39.480 BFRO advance Matt, guys, it's six of one half dozen of the other 559 00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:44.679 of what happens after this, right, because you have the Humphries, the 560 00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:49.559 family who's experiencing this and said BFO didn't do shit, right, you know, 561 00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:53.159 they just came. They wanted to investigate, and then after we weren't 562 00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:55.719 were interested in the research. We just wanted to gone. They had no 563 00:48:55.880 --> 00:49:00.199 use for us. Well, there was even testimony I'm sorry, I didn't 564 00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:07.679 mean to interrupt, but the testimony from Mike that said the researchers quote unquote 565 00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:13.119 of the BFRO wanted to leave after the first night. They were done. 566 00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:17.519 They were done, and they wanted up and out, and they started packing 567 00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:22.320 up all their stuff, and Mike pleaded with them, please, we need 568 00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:27.639 your help. We need this to stop. But that doesn't seem to be 569 00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:34.039 corroborated by Tom Powell's account and the BFROO narrative. And understand at the point 570 00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:38.360 Tom was probably a member of the BFRO, but they seem from what I 571 00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:45.440 read, it seems like the Humphreys were upset that they sent this retire this 572 00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:52.400 private investigator and his retired father who was a hunter out to take a control 573 00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:59.519 of the situation and things just they didn't go out there and achieve I guess, 574 00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:02.079 but the home owners were hoping they would have achieved right right now. 575 00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:08.159 There's other accounts as the BFR wanted to buy the property and they wanted to 576 00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:12.599 take that over to do research. But then why the hell would that happen 577 00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:16.280 vance if they left with their tail tuck between their wings right well, on 578 00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:22.360 top of which, you brought up the elderly gentleman who was a hunter that 579 00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:27.400 was brought out there, and according to Mike's testimony, the guy slept in 580 00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:31.280 his car mostly right now, listen, I don't want any agism out there, 581 00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:35.519 because I'll tell you there's plenty of old guys who could outshoot some of 582 00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:39.960 the you know, I don't want to have that argument. I think it's 583 00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:45.079 a convenient argument. And again I don't want to attack the witnesses because I 584 00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:47.360 really feel that, in my heart of hearts, I really feel like these 585 00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:52.960 folks experienced some traumatic shift. I really feel like this is a modern day 586 00:50:53.039 --> 00:51:00.519 Eight Canyon, that it is a series of serious events that at any could 587 00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:05.559 have gone terribly, terribly wrong. But then there's also parts of this that 588 00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:09.480 get embellished very very lot. Scott in the chat says I think it's a 589 00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:14.320 story based in truth, but a little bit embellished. And I because I 590 00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:17.719 did ask our listeners how many of these folks experience Do you folks believe these 591 00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:22.440 folks experience a bad battle sasquatch? Or is this another tall tale? And 592 00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:25.920 so Scott, thank you for replying to that, because I feel the same. 593 00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:30.159 In fact, there's an instance in this as well. And Vance, 594 00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:31.960 I'll let you talk for a little bit because my mouth's starting to hurt from 595 00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:37.480 jaw jack. And so there's and this is but this is what really pisses 596 00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:39.800 me off. And I didn't see this anywhere but from another podcaster. And 597 00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:45.639 I'm not going to mention who, I will say it wasn't SaaS Chronicles and 598 00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:49.840 it wasn't Jeremiah. So those guys are in this free and clear, but 599 00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:54.320 they try to tell this story of an elderly woman who disappears near the Humphreys 600 00:51:54.400 --> 00:52:00.679 property. Right. Police went looking for this woman for weeks and couldn't bullshit. 601 00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:05.760 I went and did a search and couldn't find anybody. No stories from 602 00:52:05.800 --> 00:52:12.039 around that time of a missing elderly woman. There's nobody in the National Registry 603 00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:15.440 for missing people from Laflora County. They said she was never heard from again, 604 00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:17.880 so she would still be in a missing person's database somewhere if that's the 605 00:52:17.960 --> 00:52:22.639 case. There was no story of a missing woman or a dead woman found 606 00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:25.000 anywhere, So in my case, this shit didn't happen. It was just 607 00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:31.800 bad embellishing and adding heat to a story that doesn't need it, right. 608 00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:38.840 And you know, look, when you're experiencing anything out of the norm, 609 00:52:39.400 --> 00:52:45.920 even in the paranormal, when you experience something even in a minute sense, 610 00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:52.000 but you know it's not right, I think embellishment probably comes to the forefront 611 00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:59.559 when you're sharing the story to show the intensity of the minor details in which 612 00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:06.119 you've ex experience, so that you can enthrall and bring in uh more attention 613 00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:10.480 to that topic, right, And I do think that's where embellishment does come 614 00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:16.239 into play here. But there's a difference between embellishment and an outright lie. 615 00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:23.280 Yees, I totally agree, and that until someone can show me the proof 616 00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:30.039 that I have not able to find was an outright lie and just more over 617 00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:35.800 dramatic bullshit to make a story that's already fantastic seemed more fantastic, right, 618 00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:40.719 and it didn't need it, well needed Now did the lie come out after 619 00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:45.360 everything died down? You know like this because a lot of times when you 620 00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:50.280 get embellishments and get right, you get this, I believe. So there's 621 00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:53.840 a grand story. And then like we tell our stories, and we tell 622 00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:57.800 our stories, and then the next time, not as many people, Oh 623 00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:00.079 I already heard this one. We go to a conference and we don't see 624 00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:04.360 the speakers, not because they're not interesting, it's because we've heard the story 625 00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:07.960 before the speaker comes out with a news story or an add on, we're 626 00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:13.039 all like, ooh, three more seconds of this story and that ties whatever. 627 00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:17.519 And it usually happens when they've told the story twenty times and like they're 628 00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:21.159 only getting four people in the room when they used to get a hundred. 629 00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:24.800 Right, Yeah, well, now listen, So before we move away from 630 00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:30.519 this, because we have a habit sometimes going off, especially me, but 631 00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:35.679 you know, there are other activities on this property. The dogs refuse to 632 00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:39.000 enter certain trails or parts of the property showing fear, and there's not a 633 00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:44.039 lot of mention of the dogs in this aside from that note that I was 634 00:54:44.119 --> 00:54:47.360 able to pick up from. Listen, guys, I really. I listened 635 00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:50.760 to a lot of podcasts, I read a lot of articles, I read 636 00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:53.320 a lot of book and whatever I could find on this to put together a 637 00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:58.519 good show for us. I really ran the gambit because this story is incredibly 638 00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:00.880 important to me. In fact, a lot of the things that happened to 639 00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:04.760 this kind of remind me of what happened. I think the guy's name is 640 00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:08.679 Mark Copeland, and he ended up moving to another location in the Ozarks, 641 00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:14.960 I believe, but he had camera set up where he would record shadows and 642 00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:19.000 so on and so forth, that his property was revisited by what he felt 643 00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:22.239 was a sasquatch creature getting near his kids when they were outside playing. So 644 00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:25.960 there's some parallels. And but you're talking about ten twenty years later that this 645 00:55:27.039 --> 00:55:35.360 stuff is happening. So I'm not saying that every case like this is true. 646 00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:37.679 I'm just saying that there's so many parallels between some of these it gets 647 00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:45.360 hard to dispel. But the BFRO comes in. It starts with an email 648 00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:49.159 that says, too many incidents to mention here, Please have someone contact us. 649 00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:51.960 This is no hoax. And my brother is afraid for his family. 650 00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:54.320 I mean, at this point, his brother sends his family away to stay 651 00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:59.559 at relatives that the wife and kids aren't even here. Oh I believe yeah, 652 00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:01.880 d up packing the kids up, and I had enough of this and 653 00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:07.280 left you. The message went on to explain the family was having problems over 654 00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:10.599 the past two years with one or more nuisance animals that were prowling around outside 655 00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:15.639 the home at night. The animals were stealing deer meat from an outside sheds. 656 00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:19.559 The situation escalated when the animals tried to get to the home. At 657 00:56:19.599 --> 00:56:22.400 one point, the father went outside to confront the animal. He got a 658 00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:25.159 good look at one and took a shot. It was, as he claimed, 659 00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:29.000 the bigfoot was running back into the woods. That's the night it escalated, 660 00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:30.559 and it wasn't trying to get into the house. It looked into the 661 00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:32.800 house and he went out and had enough and shot it. I just want 662 00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:37.920 to draw again. As we start talking about details, details are important. 663 00:56:38.440 --> 00:56:43.559 We contacted the family after receiving the report. The man we spoke with first 664 00:56:43.719 --> 00:56:46.239 was the brother of the father of the family. He insisted they were not 665 00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:50.960 kidding around. At least one bigfoot was coming around the homestead almost every night. 666 00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:53.079 It was coming onto the porch. Messing with the window, wiggling the 667 00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:57.239 door knob as if it wanted to get in, and even stealing deer meat 668 00:56:57.239 --> 00:57:00.000 out of a freezer that was kept in an open side out building. The 669 00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:05.199 family could hear chattering and screaming from the hills when the prowlers were near the 670 00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:12.159 home, and of course we talked about some of this, and then it 671 00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:15.400 goes to it was his brother Tim that took the shot at the bigfoot, 672 00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:16.840 by the way, I said, Mike, but it was Tim. He 673 00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:22.119 took that shot at seventy yards away at night. He thought he hit it, 674 00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:25.280 and there was a trail of blood leading into the woods, but it 675 00:57:25.400 --> 00:57:29.760 led to a fresh deer kill not away from the area where the bigfoot was 676 00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:34.239 standing where he fired. This led the I believe it's Matt who's writing this 677 00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:37.400 narrative, that this suggests to me that he didn't even wound it, and 678 00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:40.559 all the blood is from the deer. This is where they talk about the 679 00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:47.519 group that was sent, you know, Roger, his seventeen year old bear 680 00:57:47.599 --> 00:57:52.239 hunter father, or remaining at the property. They go into the background about 681 00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:55.119 Roger, like all this stuff is on the BFR website. I don't want 682 00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:59.840 to read it or you know, plagiarize it just for the sense of story. 683 00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:06.440 But this is how they get out to the property. In fact, 684 00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:10.719 they want to. They're thinking about tranquilizing it. That it would be hard 685 00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:16.400 to do and almost impossible to arrange. But the more presence of people with 686 00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:20.840 rifles at the location will be the best at turrent to the animal, whatever 687 00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:24.320 it is. While the situation's being assessed, and we're recording audio and video 688 00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:28.639 there, And of course I don't know if any audio or video was ever 689 00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:34.000 released or recorded. Now I have heard. I have heard of some things 690 00:58:34.039 --> 00:58:37.400 which was nothing more than the Sierra sounds and some gunshots which was just I 691 00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:44.239 think made for artistic license on it. I believe actually, and no discredit 692 00:58:44.320 --> 00:58:51.199 to anybody else, but I believe that audio was put together for Sasquatch Chronicles, 693 00:58:51.679 --> 00:58:59.039 maybe maybe because it was the sounds that believe when they were interviewed were 694 00:58:59.079 --> 00:59:01.480 different than the Sierra sounds. They didn't say the creature sounded like that. 695 00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:12.960 There's a lot of chattering, but not a little bit here. Well again, 696 00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:19.239 it's it's for theatrical, the theater of the mind. And I believe 697 00:59:19.400 --> 00:59:25.360 that Sasquatch Chronicles used a lot of audio of the sierra sounds and gunshot fire 698 00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:34.000 and the chattering to really bring this whole story into full bloomage so that we 699 00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:38.199 can all kind of experience it. But none of that really happened. As 700 00:59:38.280 --> 00:59:44.800 far as I've researched. There is no video evidence and there's no audio evidence 701 00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:51.599 of what transpired it. And obia many deer come to feed on this property. 702 00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:53.960 There's a deer overpopulation problem in the area to start with, so his 703 00:59:54.119 --> 01:00:00.960 property is apparently an effective magnet for deer ergo here comes out squatch. When 704 01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:05.480 we talk about the ability to expend less calorie to try to get a meal, 705 01:00:05.840 --> 01:00:08.000 you don't have to work very hard when they're coming in, and as 706 01:00:08.119 --> 01:00:14.880 we theorize, the ambush predation of these things makes it a lot easier for 707 01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:17.000 them to start tackling maybe more, maybe a couple of them at a time, 708 01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:22.360 to get themselves some dinner. And then why even have to do that 709 01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:28.480 when you're killing them and hanging up in your rackshd even less expenditure of calories. 710 01:00:28.519 --> 01:00:30.400 So maybe in a way kind of like you're not supposed to feed the 711 01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:36.519 bear, don't feed the big foot, right, why make a hamburger at 712 01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:38.880 your house. When you can go to a drive through, it's much easier. 713 01:00:39.320 --> 01:00:44.800 Oh, I'm sure they probably would think of it in the same context. 714 01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:50.360 Oh, here's a meal hanging here. No calories expended to go get 715 01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:53.119 the meal, the most Go ahead, Matt, go ahead. Was it 716 01:00:53.239 --> 01:01:00.639 ever noted was this a house that was built by the family, a new 717 01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:07.039 house or this house? Yes, this was a previously built home. And 718 01:01:07.239 --> 01:01:13.880 I'm just wondering did the previous owners do any sort of gifting? Guess what 719 01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:17.679 I've looked into that, because that's a great question that you asked, Matt, 720 01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:22.119 and I've looked into that. That was actually the first thing I looked 721 01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:25.800 into, is who were the previous owners or the power that these things were 722 01:01:25.840 --> 01:01:31.719 at. I couldn't find any I couldn't find anything, no information, no 723 01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:38.320 library information on the previous owners of that residence. So, yeah, that's 724 01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:42.719 a great question. I would like to know what they experienced and why did 725 01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:49.079 they move. The most baffling thing for all of us was why these things 726 01:01:49.119 --> 01:01:52.119 weren't running away after being shot at. They'd pulled back a bit in the 727 01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:55.480 trees, then move to a different part of the hillside. It could be 728 01:01:55.559 --> 01:02:00.199 seen through the brush when the spotlights reflected off their eyes. Miles, who 729 01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:05.119 was one of the other investigators, told me Matt on the phone last night 730 01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:08.239 that both he and Roger were seeing what Michael and Tim were describing in terms 731 01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:13.000 of the red eyes and other movement in the trees, and supposedly a lot 732 01:02:13.079 --> 01:02:16.079 more. It happened after they got off the phone. They were trying to 733 01:02:16.119 --> 01:02:20.679 kill the animals. Rogers sounded very nervous and didn't want to talk much. 734 01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:23.159 He just replied, No, this is a serious business. They've definitely got 735 01:02:23.199 --> 01:02:29.199 a problem here. It's pretty much shoot to kill at this moment. Now, 736 01:02:29.559 --> 01:02:31.920 Matt, you talk about why they didn't want to bring other law enforcement 737 01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:37.440 in here, and the answer to that was they didn't trust local law enforcement 738 01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:42.360 because every so often the FBI and the FEDS come through and sweep up dirty 739 01:02:42.440 --> 01:02:50.000 deputies who were on the take. And you know, probably had a lot 740 01:02:50.199 --> 01:02:53.159 to do with why they didn't bring any law enforcement. I personally probot that 741 01:02:53.599 --> 01:03:00.119 was actually coming from the witnesses, right from what I understand. So and 742 01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:04.800 the other thing too, and again I'm I'm gonna bring up the bring up 743 01:03:04.840 --> 01:03:07.679 the flags and bring up some of my things. Is first off, they 744 01:03:08.920 --> 01:03:15.719 you know, it doesn't seem like there's implications that there was more going on 745 01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:20.920 there that they didn't want law enforcement in, whether they were proaching the deer 746 01:03:22.639 --> 01:03:28.079 or if there was maybe they're they were talking about grow operations. Maybe there 747 01:03:28.159 --> 01:03:32.400 was a grow operation somewhere, you know, near that property. But definitely, 748 01:03:32.639 --> 01:03:37.320 I mean, for number one, I'm thinking that they're probably you know, 749 01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:43.320 taking the steer out every night, you know, and which I mean 750 01:03:43.400 --> 01:03:45.840 in Pennsylvania, we have a red tag system for farmers. They may have 751 01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:52.199 had something similar down there, that they had a pea field, So that 752 01:03:52.320 --> 01:03:55.960 could be a possibility that they that they were legally doing it, or they 753 01:03:57.039 --> 01:04:00.119 were doing it without the uh you know, just on their own accord. 754 01:04:01.639 --> 01:04:06.559 Hence the reason why they have so many deer carcasses. Uh in this in 755 01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:12.880 this outbuilding which is drawing these creatures could have been taking these, you know 756 01:04:13.039 --> 01:04:16.000 naturally now they're seeing you know, hey, they're they're just hanging up for 757 01:04:16.159 --> 01:04:24.039 us to take. And now you have almost like very similar to a gifting 758 01:04:24.199 --> 01:04:30.480 or habituation unintentional, right, you're just talking about there on the poaching thing 759 01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:34.440 did cross my mind. I'm not one to cast dispersions, but that they're 760 01:04:34.880 --> 01:04:39.960 The amount of dear that there, you know, exceeds most limits I've heard 761 01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:45.320 of, so very interesting points. You bring up their Matt there was another 762 01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:49.079 story about I mean, and we'll talk more about. This isn't going to 763 01:04:49.079 --> 01:04:53.800 be the last time we revisit the Siejahnabi, but I do want to talk 764 01:04:53.840 --> 01:04:59.039 about after the b f R O left and they went public, Apparently there 765 01:04:59.079 --> 01:05:02.880 were some folks that that were posing or were government agents, or identified themselves 766 01:05:02.920 --> 01:05:09.760 of government agents that visited the Humphries, in which times the Humphries claimed that 767 01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:16.599 their phones were manipulated or that their phones were tapped. I don't have anything 768 01:05:16.679 --> 01:05:20.079 other than just that one off story, nothing else that goes in depth. 769 01:05:20.159 --> 01:05:24.480 I'd never interviewed the Humphries. I would like to hear an interview with the 770 01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:27.360 Humphries. If we could find and get me one, that would be wonderful, 771 01:05:29.639 --> 01:05:31.400 because I think there's a lot going on. Now the story goes cold 772 01:05:31.480 --> 01:05:35.639 for me. I don't know what happens after that until you read Tom Palell's 773 01:05:35.679 --> 01:05:41.360 book The Locals upon which She goes. In January two thousand and three was 774 01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:45.880 the last time he spoke to my Humphreys, and activity was still ongoing, 775 01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:49.760 and one day he plans to write a book about his encounters. And that's 776 01:05:49.960 --> 01:05:54.440 all I have. Like, I know, we kind of ran through that 777 01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:58.760 last part, but honestly, besides the BFRO involvement, the narratives written as 778 01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:00.880 if we're a bunch of half ass keys, don't cops. You know, 779 01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:04.400 there's not a lot that happens after that, But that build up and those 780 01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:10.119 horrifying encounters leading up to it are really the meat and potatoes, And I'm 781 01:06:10.159 --> 01:06:15.960 anxious to know if there was more and where we can find out more So, 782 01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:19.920 if anybody's listening, perhaps you too could help solve a mystery by feeding 783 01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:31.679 us that information at info at sasquatch experience dot com had one quick snippet here 784 01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:42.880 is this is not that far from Area X uh and the area X creatures 785 01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:46.400 are. They're not as aggressive as this, but they are aggressive. Uh. 786 01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:50.519 They're doing rock throwing, They're they're trying to chase the uh you know, 787 01:06:50.880 --> 01:06:54.239 the people that are out there at the researchers out of the area, 788 01:06:55.159 --> 01:07:00.639 they're not quite you know, at that physical stage as as are witnesses have 789 01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:09.199 stated, but you do have in a nearby area very aggressive you know, 790 01:07:09.599 --> 01:07:14.840 what we would consider aggressive creatures right, very reports seriously. And of course 791 01:07:14.840 --> 01:07:20.360 there's the monograph that was written by the Not Whack that people can get and 792 01:07:20.559 --> 01:07:26.400 really get into some of the experiences and sightings and activities that group was doing 793 01:07:26.679 --> 01:07:30.599 in that part of Oklahoma. But we are out of time and we really 794 01:07:30.719 --> 01:07:33.960 went through that and that's why, folks, we do apologize we steam rolled 795 01:07:34.039 --> 01:07:39.360 through that last part. But this is where I'm going to give you all 796 01:07:39.360 --> 01:07:42.679 a little homework. Fifty six of you that are tuned in live, thank 797 01:07:42.760 --> 01:07:45.960 you, and I'm sure thousands of more will tune in on the podcast. 798 01:07:45.519 --> 01:07:49.239 We want your comments, we want your questions, we want your concerns about 799 01:07:49.280 --> 01:07:53.360 this story. We really want to make this more engaging for you and to 800 01:07:53.519 --> 01:08:00.639 keep these things stories going in perpetuity so we can kind of create this going 801 01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:03.719 because, believe it or not, we are talking about getting the team to 802 01:08:03.800 --> 01:08:06.719 go out to some of these locations over the next couple of years and do 803 01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:15.719 our own investigations and see if we can get some of our own hands on 804 01:08:15.159 --> 01:08:20.479 evidence collection and witness encounters and experiences in these areas. Something different. But 805 01:08:20.840 --> 01:08:26.079 you know, Matt and I and and Vance and Pride ourselves on being field 806 01:08:26.119 --> 01:08:30.600 investigators. We couldn't do it without Henry and Bake, and we want you 807 01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:33.359 guys all to come along for this, so we need your interaction. I 808 01:08:33.479 --> 01:08:36.439 want your opinions. Put them in the chats, put them in the comments, 809 01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:40.520 like us, rate us, and review us, whatever you got to 810 01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:44.039 do to keep this going. I think this is a very important part of 811 01:08:45.520 --> 01:08:48.680 this particular store is a very important part of modern day bigfoot folklore, and 812 01:08:48.760 --> 01:08:56.840 there's so much to it that we just scratched the surface. Absolutely, folks. 813 01:08:57.479 --> 01:09:00.159 That's it. We're wrapping up for the night. Next shows going to 814 01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:05.840 be William Jevning, Harry take us out with those dulcet tones. You'all be 815 01:09:05.960 --> 01:09:09.880 good or be good at it. There you have it, folks, Keep 816 01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:19.399 on squatching. You've been listening to Sasquatch Experience. Please rate interview where this 817 01:09:19.520 --> 01:09:24.680 podcast has been consumed. 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