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Sean Forker, Vince Nesbitt, James Baker, Matt Arner could be joining us
here in just a little while. Gonna be a little late tonight, so
let's not issue any demerits, but it's great to be here tonight. We
got a hell of a show lined up the Siege at Hanubbi. This has
been a story that has been that's enthralled me since I started in this,
probably when I started getting into the fieldwork in the early two thousands, the
BFRO was really hitting this heavy. It's an incredible story. And of course
Vance, you and I have done our research on this show off and off
or off and off, on and on and on. I can't talk.
That's terrible for a host, and I think for as much as consistency,
there isn't the story depending on who's telling it, there's also a lot of
variation. And I think it's going to be a fun show to talk tonight
about. Matt was going to give us a little recap of the Forest County
Bigfoot Festival. I was not able to make it this weekend sadly, but
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So excited, gentlemen, what do you got for us before we jump
into the night show? Well, I would be missed if you wouldn't just
kind of leak a little bit, you know, just a little bit of
tinkle of who our next guest will be on The Sasquatch Experience, because I'm
pretty excited about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Technically, I'm just
not in the habit of leaking our guests before we have him on the show,
just for different reasons. But you're excited. We have William Jevning.
He's going to come on The Sasquatch Experience for the very first time. He's
going to be on the show. We're going to talk about some very interesting
topics. I'm looking forward to talking to him because I've never had the pleasure
of interviewing will before, so it'll be great to have him on the show.
I just caught a little in our research for tonight's episode. I caught
a little bit of an interview that he was a part of, and he
and I share some similar thought processes on some behaviors. So it's going to
be great to have him on the show. I'm sure it'll be a spirited,
lively discussion and here he is the man of the hour. Matt Arner,
how's it going. Don't worry, Matt, the audience already forgave you.
We're not issuing any demerits, okay, but there will be a fine
Yeah. So, Matt, you were at the Forest County Bigfoot Festival.
How did it turn up on Sunday? So there's a big difference between Saturday
and Sunday. I taught to you a lot of people that said that Saturday
it was incredibly packed, which is good. You know that that's a great
thing. It got to the point where some people were probably uncomfortable with how
packed it was. I love Forrest County. I love Marionville, I think
from the scuttle but I've been hearing is they love it too, but they're
thinking about another location for the festival that might be a little bigger and better.
It is it is money. It's a small hamlet, Yeah it is.
And uh so, I because I guess there were some problems with Route
sixty six, which is a main thoroughfare there. They had to close the
fire police, you know, shutting it down every you know, two minutes
to let people cross. But I was there on Sunday, Sunday. The
crowd was perfect. I'm not big with crowds, so it was just enough
people there too, you know, uh make the vendors happy and the uh
and the people that were doing the presentations happy. But it wasn't you know,
to the point where you were swimming through people to get from one point
to another. So I would suggest, like, if if you do go,
it is a three day festival, Sunday is a great day to go.
The only thing though, is on Sunday, I came up there see
Turtle Man and he was already gone. So Turtleman and Cliff they left Turtleman
Live Action, but yeah, he was I think they left on Saturday or
early Sunday. And uh, but it was nice because uh I got to
spend a lot of time with with our good friends and uh uh you know,
I got to have my wife meet some some people, and I'm talked
to a couple of people I think, I'm you might work on some new
projects with and uh yeah. Yeah, So it was Uh, it was
good and if I'm not mistaken, wasn't Cliff Berrickman there also. He was
there on Saturday, I guess Friday and Saturday, okay, and but but
he left either late Saturday or early Sunday morning, So there was no Cliff,
no Turtleman. Uh. But the rest of the group was there except
for and and I don't you know, uh Michael Cook. He left,
uh right around the time that my wife and I got up there. So
I was looking forward to getting some some of his sauces, but uh,
the Sasquatch sauces. So next time I see him, I'll definitely definitely do
in order. But out of like you know, the rest of the group.
I everyone was still there, like I said, with the exception of
Michael, who left a little early. And uh, like I said,
it was a it was a great time. Got to spend some time with
Snuffy, uh talking to him and uh yeah, I was seeing his latest
creations with the woodcarving. I was talking to Mike Familian from in the Shadow
of the Red Eye. Any any new reports coming that weekend, Matt from
anybody. I don't know if I can. There's a report that came out
on fate book. Yes, and with another group where supposedly you know,
and I'd have to delve a little more into it. But they're claiming that
they that they had a handprint on on a car and they were collecting the
this you know, the SEEBAM uh for analysis. They didn't say where they
were sending it to. I'm hoping that they sent it to the North Carolina
State uh uh a program, because I mean that is fantastic and they're the
ones that are gonna you know, I have a lot of they know how
to collect it. I think they do. I think they do. It's
a very bigger name. I guess some Pennsylvania. So that's uh that said
that, uh there, their vehicle was touched with a large handprint. But
other than that, yeah, I didn't hear too much. And generally on
days like like in June, uh there there is uh you know. I
I think some of the reports kind of slow down in in the areas where
you do get a lot of people. I think, uh, you know,
they just kind of push out there. Yeah, yeah, they're they're
going into the into the you know, deeper areas. So with the exception
of the report that I took from last year, it was you know,
basically one year from today, uh from this weekend, but uh that was
out that was you know, uh way to the east of UH of the
F and Marionville. But there were people I did talk to a lot of
people that were out car camping. One thing I can I can definitely say
about the A and F if anyone has been up there is uh it's a
federal or it's a federal park, it's national forest. But their camping system
if you're not going to you know, one of the main campgrounds, they
have these car camping disperse camping spots throughout that entire forest, so you could
just pull up. They allowed you to stay there for I think up to
ten days, ten continuous days. So there's a lot of spots up there
that that you know, over the weekend you just went to car camp or
or set up a tent, you know, and your your vehicle. You
could do it up there in the A n F. No promina. There
you go. Matt, thank you for that recap of the the event and
that good camping tips. Everybody appreciates a good camping tip. Yeah, absolutely,
I gotta you know, when we go camping, Matt, the bears
put their food up in the trees to hide they do they do? Man,
that was a really bad Louis Anderson joke. By the way, rest
in peace. Louis Anderson was a Louis Anderson jeb from back. Anyhow,
everybody here that's listening is here for a purpose tonight, and that's for the
siege of a Nubbi. And and Matt, Baker Jane or Baker James,
you're the same damn person. Vance, What are your thoughts going into this?
What? What are your preconceived notions of the siege and the whole story.
Matt will start with you and then we'll go to Vance, and then
we'll go to Baker. You know what I mean. Yeah, the bfr
O investigated this. There were several other people that looked into it. You
know, the family members have been on you know, another podcast. I
don't know, you know, I mean, it's it's indicative of h of
a behavior, of a territorial behavior. But uh man, there's there's some
things that just kind of I can't say they threw up flags, you know,
like when I say they threw out flags, like you know, there's
things that you know, I saw it, you know, something and it
popped away and flew you know that that would throw up a red flag or
like like we mentioned, you know, they see it every single time they
go camping. You know, that's definitely rich. But there were some flags
that that that came up in particular about the shooting, you know, you
know, uh, in particular, you know about just their general you know,
attitude that they had in regards to uh, you know, what they
thought. And again, you know, most people know what I do when,
you know, but the attitudes that they had towards the local law enforcement
and you know, any of the other other people out there. They these
people were, hey, we're going to do this all on our own attitude,
which I don't you know, necessarily disagree with. I'm I'm you know
very much a person tries to mean be so sufficient. But at the same
point, you know, when you're firing uh, you know, large rounds,
you know, every single night, you know, at something that you
know may or may not be human. You know, there's some issues you
probably want you probably do want to call the sheriff's office the situation, right,
but right, yes, yes it did, yes it did, and
uh so anyways, yeah, there's there's a couple of things about it,
but I'll say this for later, but I'll pass. Yeah, excellent,
go ahead. Vance. Well, let's just kind of group everybody in that
may not be familiar with the sie jed Hanobia. Hanobia is a location,
uh area in Oklahoma. And Hanobia is actually in the southeast corner, not
all the way, but in the southeast corner of Oklahoma, right tip of
the southeast corner where they would come write not the tip of the panandle no,
but you were the body clubs there, but it's still in It's in
circumference to eastern Texas and Arkansas, so you're talking the Texarcana and you know
the southeastern Oklahoma. How many reports came out of the same, similar type
of aggressive activity of this creature. So the individual is named Mike. Mike
bought thirty acres in Hanobia in a remote location and from what I understood,
it was adjacent to his father who owned ten acres right and before he actually
purchased the property, and this is a matter of a couple of days,
he'd go out to the property and he had two daytime sightings. But this
is in two thousand. This is before the revolution of the smartphone and the
internet, all coming to fruition, and he saw these things twice in a
daytime sighting, but he did not know what to make of it. Then
it was the very thing his his that happened before two thousand the BFO comes
back. I'll take that to you, yes, right, So I mean,
I just want to establish a timeline for these folks that some of this
was happening, Like the BFO just didn't come in and this stuff happened.
Like if you read the narrative you kind of get that impression there were things
that happened before that you're getting into it. I don't mean the step two
years. Yeah, that's finally. I just want to kind of establish the
technology event that was happening at that time, because it just did not exist.
And of course, you know, Bigfoot was not a part of the
culture as it is today. Back then, a lot of this was just
a mysterious thing. And you talk about Bigfoot and Oklahoma, it's like,
what are you crazy? And these things are here and it was a miss.
It was complete mystery. So I understood by the testimony of what Mike
is sharing by you close your eyes, when you put yourself in his shoes,
with what was available at the time, and of course things started to
ramp up. Uh with his family. Uh. These things were coming up
to the house, looking in the windows, rolling its lips back, showing
its teeth, growling at the kids. The kids would be in the yard,
these things would be in the tree line, growling at the kids.
There was just so much intense activity that was happening at that time. And
the story is completely fascinating to listen to for Mike and of course his brother
Tim, you know, he he gets involved in this whole story too,
because he doesn't deny anything that was happening. But to imagine the fact that
you're in this home in this remote area in Oklahoma and your house I think
Mike said, you know, when he first moved into the house, he
heard slapping on the front door and he thought, whoa this is in you
know, in the middle of the night, or what's going on here?
And he opens up the front door thinking maybe somebody is there and there's nothing.
But then you know, the kids are having these things looking in at
them on the window. They have a picture window on the front of their
house and there's things looking in on them. This is aggressive behavior. They
have rocks throwing at them. Okay, let's let's slow down a little bit
because I know you're just you're just right. You skip the four play and
went right to the game. Well that's kind of what I do. Yeah.
Well, and you wonder why more wonder why? All right, Baker,
any thoughts going into this before? And then Henry, Hey, buddy,
how you doing down there? I see you sneak in. Good to
see you, Henry. Uh, go ahead, Baker. So what I
read of it, A lot of it, I mean, without going into
real details, it seems like there's a lot of evidence to be found,
but not as much like produced, and that's to me a flag. But
at least they didn't take fifty pictures in circle, you know, I mean
like so, I mean, and we just talked about, you know,
how somebody touched the car and they got all this information. If we only
would have known that same information when we were talking about this case, because
you know, as Vans alluded to by telling the whole story, I mean,
this thing was all touchy up in that house, you know, like
you could have you know, you know, fingerprints, all kinds of stuff
that we'd have thought things that way, right, But it was clear from
the testimony that there's by far more than one individual. Right, Well,
I get that, but you still, like I said, like, that's
one of the flags for me, is that when when they see it multiple
times and it keeps coming back and whatever, there's a point where I don't
know if it's if it's that aggressive, you think it would leave, you
know, like it slaps across the door, there would be like a smudge
mark or there be you know what I mean, there'd be physical Yeah,
but at this point we're talking, you know, nineteen ninety eight, ninety
nine, two thousand, right, this wasn't in the mainstream culture of let's
figure out what this thing is. This is just a fairy tale sebum wasn't
in our vocabulary, and no, not at all, right, and so
so what's going on? And they also could have thought it was a bear,
you know. Well, I mean there's no mistaken with these folks scene
when you start talking about well, I mean, once they started seeing seeing
and I'm just saying at first, with the noises against the house and stuff
like that, no, no, no, and that. But that's the
thing. First of all, let's set some let's let some clear background on
these these gentlemen. These guys have lived in this area, these wooded area
their entire lives. They know what's there. They they're experienced outdoors people.
The brother Mike, had two daytime settings of the creature before what had happened
on this podcasting, and he didn't even want to tell his brother at first
that he saw these things. He didn't want to have that conversation. Now,
like Van says, it's thirty acres of property nestled against the father's ten
acres in Oklahoma, Southeast Oklahoma and Lafleur County. I mean, I think
that kind of goes between two counties in the background, but Lafleor's, you
know, were predominantly this right now. The one thing that changed Tim's I
guess, I don't want to say perspective, but Tim and his wife were
having dinner one night and there was this horrendous scream, and this scream Tim
felt through his entire body, and it reverbed so strongly that it shook the
china set inside a cabinet. YEP. All right, And more and more
they went around the property, they started observing these creatures. You're not talking
about long term observations, but brief observations. Jeremiah goes. I've been podcasting
for five years. This is the one event in Bigfoot history that multiple people
during interviews have said no comment when I bring it up in questions. Good
observation from Jeremiah. There. Now, Mike is laying in bed four o'clock
in the morning. Something would come up and would rap on the door.
Something would come and bang on his bedroom window and bang on the house.
It would throw rocks in the middle of the night. And for a while
this was happening once a week, he'd get up, there'd be nobody outside,
like something, you know. Then he would start seeing something. He
would see something start peeking in his windows. And this stops happening from once
a week that it became almost a nightly thing, right for you know,
just ongoing. Now. The one point is, up to this point it
never tried to enter the house, and for the longest point it never did
try to enter the house. It made a lot of noise, it made
a lot of scare, it made a lot of threatening gestures, but it
never never tried to break into the house. So when we start looking at
things like motive, one of the things we find out is that on the
property there's a shed and inside the shed they would hang deer carcass because you
know they're outdoorsmen, they're hunters. Well dear carcass. I believe five correct,
five five dear carcasses. And the one morning they woke up they had
him hanging up there, just drying out, doing their thing. All the
carcasses were gone. Next morning. Something had stolen the carcasses. Now,
this is an interesting story. We started talking about red flags. But let
me tell you why this doesn't surprise me. Ray and I were up on
Old Group fourteen. Matt, you're probably familiar with that sat up in Pennsylvania,
not fifteen. Old Group fourteen goes up into the trout Run area and
we were up there talking to a gentleman. We had actually got stuck in
a snow store. Make a long story short. We had the hike and
we couldn't find anybody living out there in these cabins. Went into this little
cabin esque area and there was a man who lived out there year round.
He happened to be out there, knocked on the door, asked if we
could use his phone. And while we're waiting for my father to come and
retrieve us. He know, he asked, what are you doing up here?
And we said, hey, well, you know, this is what
we're doing. We're up here following up on a bigfoot report. He goes
bigfoot, huh, and he starts telling us that every year around the end
of August, something comes around and they can tell it's there because of the
smell an absence of some of the other wildlife, and they could tell it's
there because of the smell. And one year, in a hunting season,
he had a deer hanging up on his back porch, hanging up, and
then the next morning it was gone. Something stole the carcass, didn't drag
it away. There was no drag signs, no indication it was gone,
right, And why that's you know, I kind of draw parallels. So
when I start hearing I start reading this story, I start thinking about different
situations I've encountered in my investigations that even though we may not have hit fourteen
different points in every investigation, maybe something I can pull away from every investigation.
And the important thing that I want you guys and I want the listeners
to know is that this happened in the late nineties early two thousands, ninety
percent of this information that we're putting out here today didn't wasn't out then.
Right today, as I said, ad nauseum, we make it easy for
us to hoax. Back then, it was with the details these folks were
providing. It wasn't stuff that was commonly talked about. Right. There weren't
podcasts, there weren't TV shows. There was none of that going on,
which is why I start lending a little bit more credence to this story.
Now let's go again to they had thirty chickens cooped up, oh right,
right, and they were all gone when they woke up one morning, all
the thirty chickens were gone, sands, a trail of eggs that were cracked
open and the inners sucked out, leading into the forest. Matt, who
do you and I know that hash chickens and their chicken coops perpetually being disturbed.
That would be our friend Gwen from gott knockercy right, yep, Hey,
Jay, how you doing. Yeah, one of our sponsors of the
show too, by the way. But we start drawing parallels, and it's
when I start thinking about this thing holistically, that a lot of the red
flags that I may have had years ago disappear because now we're seeing a pattern
of behavior. Let's get to some things that are pretty startling. And this
is what bothers me a little bit about this. The kids are out back,
playing in a pasture area near the tree line. Right. The kids
would be out there just doing their regular thing. Now, the kids,
I believe at this point, had experienced the creatures looking in the window.
I think they have had that encounter, yes, But the kids when they
would play in the yard, three to four of these creatures would come up
to the tree line and scream at them. It would throw rocks, and
it would shake the trees, matt tree shaking, and it just right the
hell out of these kids. And the family had enough and they just wanted
these things gone. And we'll go through and we can we can talk about
more of this. But one of the things I want to bring up right
now is they had set up motion detectors around the property to deter these things
for bidding on the house. Because, folks, you're talking about every night
these creatures are coming out and pounding on the walls, pounding on the wind,
tapping on the windows, not trying to make entry. Into the home,
but trying to, I firmly believe, get him the hell out of
there. I don't think these things wanted them in their territory, right.
So they set up these motion detectors, and one day, I don't know
if it was Mike or Tim, but they noticed that the motion detectors stopped
working. They were no longer being effective. And he's walking around the house
and I got goosebumps on this. I'm sorry because this really freaking disturb me.
And I don't know if you guys heard this or not. They found
these sticks laid in the direct path of the detector. As he's trying to
figure out what these sticks are, he realized that if you stay behind these
sticks, you won't trigger the motion sensor. Huh. And so he's noticing
these sticks all around the property and then he had kicked him up. I'll
go back to say that when they put the motion detectors up, things settled
down for a little while. The light was driving them away, but then
they adapted. Yeah, and so it didn't trigger the motion detectors, and
he messed all the sticks up the next day. From my understanding and the
source I got this from the motion detectors. The motion light sensors were pointed
up in the air, and then it all started again. And now guy,
that just vance. I'll let you take over from there for a little
bit to continue want the store. But that gives me, you know,
first off, let's go back to the deer carcass. It's the least amount
of calories spent to gather a meal. You don't have to hunt for it
and run through the woods to get it. It's there, and it broke
in to the shed to get the deer carcass. That makes total sense to
me. There were a couple of other points also brought up from Mike,
who's this was his property, where he did witness them standing in the yard
with a yard light that was on and at this point they didn't care about
the light anymore. Yeah, the motion tector thing, Yeah, they put
the sticks there, but it got to the point where they're becoming so brazen
that he saw them in the yard just swaying back and forth in the light
plain as day. And this was enough, you know, just okay,
uh, this is where I pulled the switch and say, yeah, I'm
moving to the in the middle of New York or Chicago. I'm out.
I want nothing to do with this anymore. But again, let's go back
in time as to the time period of when all this is happening. This
is all new. This is all new to Mike and to Tim. They
there is not enough information out there to go what do you do? You
know, they did contact the BFRO. They felt that the BFRO kind of
let them down in a big way because they wanted to go in and do
research instead of getting rid of this stuff. But you know, pull that
in after that. We'll pull that in after the break. But yeah,
let's do that before we take the break on that dance. One of the
things I wanted to talk about as well is that if it was just the
regular family, you know, these things were getting brazen, okay, and
it started displaying aggressive behavior to people that were trying to come on to the
property. So there's a store. Their sister was opening the gate and trying
to get in with her kids, and three creatures stepped out of the tree
line and approached her as she scared the crap out of her, and she
sped off to the house. The brothers went outside with assault rifles and they
were held bent on you know, trying to get some answers and find something,
and they found nothing. Then I guess it was not long later that
their niece showed up to visit and experienced the same damn thing. Right now,
The next night, I believe the head on an unhealed broken ankle.
Maybe correct, that sounds right? Vance that does so again you might be
thinking of something. Hey, here's an opportunity to Lord knows what. Thank
god that didn't happen. But the next night there was another creature witnessed looking
into a window, and one of the brothers, I think it was Mike,
was like, I said, I've had enough of this shit. He
went out, He took shots at it, hit it three times. It
tried to get up. The creatures began to attack, which I believe was
a diversion for them to get the other creature up and out of the area
as the other two other creatures picked it up and ran into the woods.
Later that night, the house is attacked again and this is where the shooting
out. The shootout happens and it lasts for hours until dawn. Coincidentally,
there was a report from a logger who saw two bigfoot carrying a wounded or
dead Bigfoot through the forests. So got you're talking about some real high high
tension that happens here and then right right and after this all this is where
I write in my notes. Then it escalated and we'll come back after the
break. We'll talk about the biff our own involvement, how it ramps up,
and well, folks, just stick around for the sie jahannabi as we
carry on with this, take a quick break smoking if you got him,
We'll be back. Sasquatch is coming to downtown Canton, Ohio on June twenty
eighth and twenty ninth from Monster Fest two. Small Town Monsters is back for
our second annual event, and this year we're pulling out all the stops.
See the premiere of Cursed Waters Creature of Lake Okanagan at the Canton Palace Theater
on June twenty eighth, and then join us at the Hilton Double Tree on
June twenty ninth for vendors, speakers, orp shops, film screenings, and
much more. Meet Seth, Breedlove and the rest of the Small Town Monsters
crew, as well as our amazing lineup of guests including Amy Boom, Lyle
Blackburn, Sheena Stein, gass Ken Gerhardt, Astonishing Legends, Jim Harold,
Jeremiah Byron, Sean Forker and many more, and introducing our very special twenty
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Monster Fest two June twenty eighth and twenty ninth, Canton, Ohio. Be
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frauines geevance. Why with the German overtones tonight? Well there are two reasons.
But first off, this is the big foot bullhorn right here on the
Sasquatch experience. Yeah. Reason number one is that we are coming off the
eightieth anniversary of the US and Allied forces liberating France and portions of Europe in
the D Day invasion from Nazi Germany, Deutschland, Deutschland Uberles. And what's
reason number two, you may ask, Well, anthropologists recently identified two fossilized
teeth and a single kneecap that appear to belong to a never before seen species
of Grade ape, Baronius manfred, with an estimated weight of about twenty two
pounds you know, small dog or a chonky cat. The newfound species is
the smallest grade ape to be identified. The remains were unearthed at Hammerschneide clay
pit in southeast Germany, at a layer dated to the Late Miocene epoch,
around eleven point six million years ago. The tiny ape wasn't the only hominid
to live here during this period. Between twenty fifteen and twenty eighteen, researchers
digging at the Hummerschneide fossil site discovered that the remains of Danuvius, another species
of grade ape. And get this, it was bipedal judging by their size
difference. The researchers believe these two species of apes led very different lifestyles.
The kneecap and teeth of Baronius suggest that they were skilled tree climbers and ate
a diet of soft foods such as leaves, while Danuvius had a surprisingly upright
posture, suggesting that it spent most of its time on the ground. By
occupying different niches, the two species were able to share a habitat without directly
competing for resources, much like that relationship between the modern gibbons and orangutans that
share habitats in Borneo and Sumatra. The discovery of Baronius makes Thummersnaid the only
Miocene site in Europe that is known to have more than one species of extinct
ape. The researchers believe their new studies should encourage others to re examine fossils
from other European sites and potentially reveal more examples of dual ape cohabitating behavior.
When we come back, Yes, there's a fun event in tribute to one
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Coming up in this twenty twenty four season of Bigfoot Conferences, it's the Bigfoot
Rendezvous on July twenty six and twenty seven in Pocatello, Idaho. Why Pocatello,
Idaho, you might ask, Well, it's the hometown of doctor Jeff
Meldrum, who will be speaking along with others like Michael Freeman, son of
Paul Freeman, Nico Spotafora, and David Ellis, along with Squatch America.
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We'd love to see you at the twenty twenty four Bigfoot Rendezvous in Pocatello,
Idaho. Thanks again for listening to this edition of the Bigfoot Bullhorn right here
on the Sasquatch Experience, and as Bigfoot always says, after an encounter,
I'm tearing we meet again. Keep your toes in the mind. Thanks man
for that wonderful well little mid show uh reprieve, Thank you very mid tarsal
break, mid tarsal break a clever I like what you did there. Yes,
corny as hell, but that's us folks, Asquatch experienced Sean Forker,
James Baker, Vance Nesbit, Matt Arder, and Henry May. Henry,
we didn't get the pull or you know, get any opinion from you on
this encounter of the siege at ed Hanobi. What are your thoughts. You're
probably the most seasoned one of us. Here your thoughts on this on this
encounter, this is probably one of the you might say, amazing one of
the most amazing encounters that you could ever read about. I highly recommend everyby
read The Locals by Tom Powell because it has the most detailed information about this
before, about this this series of reports, and it's just to me it
sounds pretty credible because, as you point out, Sean, a lot of
the stuff that we know now about Sasquatch we didn't know back in the late
nineties and early two thousands. I've heard the train, the train's coming.
Oh even we're even getting a serenade from Henry to I listened to that.
But the chapter of the book, it's chapter four of The Locals by Tom
Palell. Easy Pickens is the name of that, and I reference that because
I read it in preparation for this show. It does give the most detailed
I think the one thing it gives is a little ending to this because Henry,
you can correct me if I'm wrong, Advance, Matt or anybody.
This story just goes cold. Yeah, well, we need to pick up,
you know, a little bit after the whole shooting, because we left
off after the shooting and the technical so it stated the killing of the one
individual, and that's where things kind of really ramped up because prior to that,
the statement was they never tried to break into the home. Correct,
they were just irritating the home. But after the killing, these things wanted
to get into the house. Is it to seek revenge and annihilate whatever's in
the house. That was left up the question. But they definitely became much
more aggressive after that event happened. Right, you have the story of I
believe it's the big gray one that is so tall it actually has to duck
down to look into the window. Right, they go out and this big
one, this very large creature creature decides it's just going to start coming out
in the open. It gives no fus anymore. Pardon my French. This
thing is really starts to get into this intimidating if this was a horror movie
Michael Myers esque behavior. It just pops out in the middle of the day
whenever, out into the property. Like this thing is really trying to generate
that fierce story. And they felt that when this large creature would appear,
it was trying to bait them out. I mean, and let me tell
you, guys, shit gets real because then all of a sudden enters the
BFRO advance Matt, guys, it's six of one half dozen of the other
of what happens after this, right, because you have the Humphries, the
family who's experiencing this and said BFO didn't do shit, right, you know,
they just came. They wanted to investigate, and then after we weren't
were interested in the research. We just wanted to gone. They had no
use for us. Well, there was even testimony I'm sorry, I didn't
mean to interrupt, but the testimony from Mike that said the researchers quote unquote
of the BFRO wanted to leave after the first night. They were done.
They were done, and they wanted up and out, and they started packing
up all their stuff, and Mike pleaded with them, please, we need
your help. We need this to stop. But that doesn't seem to be
corroborated by Tom Powell's account and the BFROO narrative. And understand at the point
Tom was probably a member of the BFRO, but they seem from what I
read, it seems like the Humphreys were upset that they sent this retire this
private investigator and his retired father who was a hunter out to take a control
of the situation and things just they didn't go out there and achieve I guess,
but the home owners were hoping they would have achieved right right now.
There's other accounts as the BFR wanted to buy the property and they wanted to
take that over to do research. But then why the hell would that happen
vance if they left with their tail tuck between their wings right well, on
top of which, you brought up the elderly gentleman who was a hunter that
was brought out there, and according to Mike's testimony, the guy slept in
his car mostly right now, listen, I don't want any agism out there,
because I'll tell you there's plenty of old guys who could outshoot some of
the you know, I don't want to have that argument. I think it's
a convenient argument. And again I don't want to attack the witnesses because I
really feel that, in my heart of hearts, I really feel like these
folks experienced some traumatic shift. I really feel like this is a modern day
Eight Canyon, that it is a series of serious events that at any could
have gone terribly, terribly wrong. But then there's also parts of this that
get embellished very very lot. Scott in the chat says I think it's a
story based in truth, but a little bit embellished. And I because I
did ask our listeners how many of these folks experience Do you folks believe these
folks experience a bad battle sasquatch? Or is this another tall tale? And
so Scott, thank you for replying to that, because I feel the same.
In fact, there's an instance in this as well. And Vance,
I'll let you talk for a little bit because my mouth's starting to hurt from
jaw jack. And so there's and this is but this is what really pisses
me off. And I didn't see this anywhere but from another podcaster. And
I'm not going to mention who, I will say it wasn't SaaS Chronicles and
it wasn't Jeremiah. So those guys are in this free and clear, but
they try to tell this story of an elderly woman who disappears near the Humphreys
property. Right. Police went looking for this woman for weeks and couldn't bullshit.
I went and did a search and couldn't find anybody. No stories from
around that time of a missing elderly woman. There's nobody in the National Registry
for missing people from Laflora County. They said she was never heard from again,
so she would still be in a missing person's database somewhere if that's the
case. There was no story of a missing woman or a dead woman found
anywhere, So in my case, this shit didn't happen. It was just
bad embellishing and adding heat to a story that doesn't need it, right.
And you know, look, when you're experiencing anything out of the norm,
even in the paranormal, when you experience something even in a minute sense,
but you know it's not right, I think embellishment probably comes to the forefront
when you're sharing the story to show the intensity of the minor details in which
you've ex experience, so that you can enthrall and bring in uh more attention
to that topic, right, And I do think that's where embellishment does come
into play here. But there's a difference between embellishment and an outright lie.
Yees, I totally agree, and that until someone can show me the proof
that I have not able to find was an outright lie and just more over
dramatic bullshit to make a story that's already fantastic seemed more fantastic, right,
and it didn't need it, well needed Now did the lie come out after
everything died down? You know like this because a lot of times when you
get embellishments and get right, you get this, I believe. So there's
a grand story. And then like we tell our stories, and we tell
our stories, and then the next time, not as many people, Oh
I already heard this one. We go to a conference and we don't see
the speakers, not because they're not interesting, it's because we've heard the story
before the speaker comes out with a news story or an add on, we're
all like, ooh, three more seconds of this story and that ties whatever.
And it usually happens when they've told the story twenty times and like they're
only getting four people in the room when they used to get a hundred.
Right, Yeah, well, now listen, So before we move away from
this, because we have a habit sometimes going off, especially me, but
you know, there are other activities on this property. The dogs refuse to
enter certain trails or parts of the property showing fear, and there's not a
lot of mention of the dogs in this aside from that note that I was
able to pick up from. Listen, guys, I really. I listened
to a lot of podcasts, I read a lot of articles, I read
a lot of book and whatever I could find on this to put together a
good show for us. I really ran the gambit because this story is incredibly
important to me. In fact, a lot of the things that happened to
this kind of remind me of what happened. I think the guy's name is
Mark Copeland, and he ended up moving to another location in the Ozarks,
I believe, but he had camera set up where he would record shadows and
so on and so forth, that his property was revisited by what he felt
was a sasquatch creature getting near his kids when they were outside playing. So
there's some parallels. And but you're talking about ten twenty years later that this
stuff is happening. So I'm not saying that every case like this is true.
I'm just saying that there's so many parallels between some of these it gets
hard to dispel. But the BFRO comes in. It starts with an email
that says, too many incidents to mention here, Please have someone contact us.
This is no hoax. And my brother is afraid for his family.
I mean, at this point, his brother sends his family away to stay
at relatives that the wife and kids aren't even here. Oh I believe yeah,
d up packing the kids up, and I had enough of this and
left you. The message went on to explain the family was having problems over
the past two years with one or more nuisance animals that were prowling around outside
the home at night. The animals were stealing deer meat from an outside sheds.
The situation escalated when the animals tried to get to the home. At
one point, the father went outside to confront the animal. He got a
good look at one and took a shot. It was, as he claimed,
the bigfoot was running back into the woods. That's the night it escalated,
and it wasn't trying to get into the house. It looked into the
house and he went out and had enough and shot it. I just want
to draw again. As we start talking about details, details are important.
We contacted the family after receiving the report. The man we spoke with first
was the brother of the father of the family. He insisted they were not
kidding around. At least one bigfoot was coming around the homestead almost every night.
It was coming onto the porch. Messing with the window, wiggling the
door knob as if it wanted to get in, and even stealing deer meat
out of a freezer that was kept in an open side out building. The
family could hear chattering and screaming from the hills when the prowlers were near the
home, and of course we talked about some of this, and then it
goes to it was his brother Tim that took the shot at the bigfoot,
by the way, I said, Mike, but it was Tim. He
took that shot at seventy yards away at night. He thought he hit it,
and there was a trail of blood leading into the woods, but it
led to a fresh deer kill not away from the area where the bigfoot was
standing where he fired. This led the I believe it's Matt who's writing this
narrative, that this suggests to me that he didn't even wound it, and
all the blood is from the deer. This is where they talk about the
group that was sent, you know, Roger, his seventeen year old bear
hunter father, or remaining at the property. They go into the background about
Roger, like all this stuff is on the BFR website. I don't want
to read it or you know, plagiarize it just for the sense of story.
But this is how they get out to the property. In fact,
they want to. They're thinking about tranquilizing it. That it would be hard
to do and almost impossible to arrange. But the more presence of people with
rifles at the location will be the best at turrent to the animal, whatever
it is. While the situation's being assessed, and we're recording audio and video
there, And of course I don't know if any audio or video was ever
released or recorded. Now I have heard. I have heard of some things
which was nothing more than the Sierra sounds and some gunshots which was just I
think made for artistic license on it. I believe actually, and no discredit
to anybody else, but I believe that audio was put together for Sasquatch Chronicles,
maybe maybe because it was the sounds that believe when they were interviewed were
different than the Sierra sounds. They didn't say the creature sounded like that.
There's a lot of chattering, but not a little bit here. Well again,
it's it's for theatrical, the theater of the mind. And I believe
that Sasquatch Chronicles used a lot of audio of the sierra sounds and gunshot fire
and the chattering to really bring this whole story into full bloomage so that we
can all kind of experience it. But none of that really happened. As
far as I've researched. There is no video evidence and there's no audio evidence
of what transpired it. And obia many deer come to feed on this property.
There's a deer overpopulation problem in the area to start with, so his
property is apparently an effective magnet for deer ergo here comes out squatch. When
we talk about the ability to expend less calorie to try to get a meal,
you don't have to work very hard when they're coming in, and as
we theorize, the ambush predation of these things makes it a lot easier for
them to start tackling maybe more, maybe a couple of them at a time,
to get themselves some dinner. And then why even have to do that
when you're killing them and hanging up in your rackshd even less expenditure of calories.
So maybe in a way kind of like you're not supposed to feed the
bear, don't feed the big foot, right, why make a hamburger at
your house. When you can go to a drive through, it's much easier.
Oh, I'm sure they probably would think of it in the same context.
Oh, here's a meal hanging here. No calories expended to go get
the meal, the most Go ahead, Matt, go ahead. Was it
ever noted was this a house that was built by the family, a new
house or this house? Yes, this was a previously built home. And
I'm just wondering did the previous owners do any sort of gifting? Guess what
I've looked into that, because that's a great question that you asked, Matt,
and I've looked into that. That was actually the first thing I looked
into, is who were the previous owners or the power that these things were
at. I couldn't find any I couldn't find anything, no information, no
library information on the previous owners of that residence. So, yeah, that's
a great question. I would like to know what they experienced and why did
they move. The most baffling thing for all of us was why these things
weren't running away after being shot at. They'd pulled back a bit in the
trees, then move to a different part of the hillside. It could be
seen through the brush when the spotlights reflected off their eyes. Miles, who
was one of the other investigators, told me Matt on the phone last night
that both he and Roger were seeing what Michael and Tim were describing in terms
of the red eyes and other movement in the trees, and supposedly a lot
more. It happened after they got off the phone. They were trying to
kill the animals. Rogers sounded very nervous and didn't want to talk much.
He just replied, No, this is a serious business. They've definitely got
a problem here. It's pretty much shoot to kill at this moment. Now,
Matt, you talk about why they didn't want to bring other law enforcement
in here, and the answer to that was they didn't trust local law enforcement
because every so often the FBI and the FEDS come through and sweep up dirty
deputies who were on the take. And you know, probably had a lot
to do with why they didn't bring any law enforcement. I personally probot that
was actually coming from the witnesses, right from what I understand. So and
the other thing too, and again I'm I'm gonna bring up the bring up
the flags and bring up some of my things. Is first off, they
you know, it doesn't seem like there's implications that there was more going on
there that they didn't want law enforcement in, whether they were proaching the deer
or if there was maybe they're they were talking about grow operations. Maybe there
was a grow operation somewhere, you know, near that property. But definitely,
I mean, for number one, I'm thinking that they're probably you know,
taking the steer out every night, you know, and which I mean
in Pennsylvania, we have a red tag system for farmers. They may have
had something similar down there, that they had a pea field, So that
could be a possibility that they that they were legally doing it, or they
were doing it without the uh you know, just on their own accord.
Hence the reason why they have so many deer carcasses. Uh in this in
this outbuilding which is drawing these creatures could have been taking these, you know
naturally now they're seeing you know, hey, they're they're just hanging up for
us to take. And now you have almost like very similar to a gifting
or habituation unintentional, right, you're just talking about there on the poaching thing
did cross my mind. I'm not one to cast dispersions, but that they're
The amount of dear that there, you know, exceeds most limits I've heard
of, so very interesting points. You bring up their Matt there was another
story about I mean, and we'll talk more about. This isn't going to
be the last time we revisit the Siejahnabi, but I do want to talk
about after the b f R O left and they went public, Apparently there
were some folks that that were posing or were government agents, or identified themselves
of government agents that visited the Humphries, in which times the Humphries claimed that
their phones were manipulated or that their phones were tapped. I don't have anything
other than just that one off story, nothing else that goes in depth.
I'd never interviewed the Humphries. I would like to hear an interview with the
Humphries. If we could find and get me one, that would be wonderful,
because I think there's a lot going on. Now the story goes cold
for me. I don't know what happens after that until you read Tom Palell's
book The Locals upon which She goes. In January two thousand and three was
the last time he spoke to my Humphreys, and activity was still ongoing,
and one day he plans to write a book about his encounters. And that's
all I have. Like, I know, we kind of ran through that
last part, but honestly, besides the BFRO involvement, the narratives written as
if we're a bunch of half ass keys, don't cops. You know,
there's not a lot that happens after that, But that build up and those
horrifying encounters leading up to it are really the meat and potatoes, And I'm
anxious to know if there was more and where we can find out more So,
if anybody's listening, perhaps you too could help solve a mystery by feeding
us that information at info at sasquatch experience dot com had one quick snippet here
is this is not that far from Area X uh and the area X creatures
are. They're not as aggressive as this, but they are aggressive. Uh.
They're doing rock throwing, They're they're trying to chase the uh you know,
the people that are out there at the researchers out of the area,
they're not quite you know, at that physical stage as as are witnesses have
stated, but you do have in a nearby area very aggressive you know,
what we would consider aggressive creatures right, very reports seriously. And of course
there's the monograph that was written by the Not Whack that people can get and
really get into some of the experiences and sightings and activities that group was doing
in that part of Oklahoma. But we are out of time and we really
went through that and that's why, folks, we do apologize we steam rolled
through that last part. But this is where I'm going to give you all
a little homework. Fifty six of you that are tuned in live, thank
you, and I'm sure thousands of more will tune in on the podcast.
We want your comments, we want your questions, we want your concerns about
this story. We really want to make this more engaging for you and to
keep these things stories going in perpetuity so we can kind of create this going
because, believe it or not, we are talking about getting the team to
go out to some of these locations over the next couple of years and do
our own investigations and see if we can get some of our own hands on
evidence collection and witness encounters and experiences in these areas. Something different. But
you know, Matt and I and and Vance and Pride ourselves on being field
investigators. We couldn't do it without Henry and Bake, and we want you
guys all to come along for this, so we need your interaction. I
want your opinions. Put them in the chats, put them in the comments,
like us, rate us, and review us, whatever you got to
do to keep this going. I think this is a very important part of
this particular store is a very important part of modern day bigfoot folklore, and
there's so much to it that we just scratched the surface. Absolutely, folks.
That's it. We're wrapping up for the night. Next shows going to
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