It is the Big Twelve breakdown, Tom with Jon Statist. Bridge's here with
you with the comprehensive look around the Big Twelve conference and Tom the hot takes
you. We usually begin each week with I think that we just got to
get right to it of these tie breakers, and that's the I think the
Big Twelve did the hot takes for us this week with their own mess that
is. I love this league. I do. I'm glad that my school
Kansas is a member of this league and part of it going forward and everything.
But I gotta tell you, Tom, it doesn't matter who's in charge,
something always gets screwed up in this league of some you know, bad
decisions or mismanagement of some sorts. And I'll say this, if Brett or
Mark's ten years so far, this was the biggest screw up we've seen yet
the tiebreaker thing. And case people don't know or put it in a nutshell,
the rules were written of sorts with a bit of confusion, a lack
of clarity, and whether the Big Twelve says it or not, the rules
were changed and to the correct rule. Might I add that would give Oklahoma
State an advantage and head to head over Kansas State and Oklahoma because they beat
both those teams, and if Kansas were to enter the equation, well they
beat Kansas as well. So that is the right situation. But it should
not have taken to this point. This should have been worked out in July
and August before the season began. It's the right rule, Tom, but
it shouldn't have gotten wrong timing. I don't like changing the rule two weeks
to go in the regular season, but I think it kind of had to
be done. I mean to be it's not to be fair at all.
They should have had this ship and lined out way before, I think little
and over their heads. And and to be fair to the Big Twelve,
I think as volatile as this league has been, because it has been,
I think after red River, from what we saw, we would have not
imagined. And that's what's so great about the Big Twelve. It's so hectic,
it's so it's such hell on all the fans. If you would have
told me after red River or that week, what the what the first Saturday,
second Saturday in October, that we would have been at this point right
now, I would have laughed, because it was at that point after red
River and as good as that game was, it was very clear that oh
you and Texas were you know, beyond every there was there was OHU Texas,
and then there's a little space and a little bit more space, and
then there was tier two, and then you could have maybe said K State
and KU and then Oklahoma State wasn't even in the tier two. They were
maybe even in the Tier three, or we might even been talking to them,
you know, in the in the Cincinnati Baylor time tier at that point.
And now so much stuff has changed, I don't know that the Big
twelve even considered or would have even think to consider that this might have been
a potential for like a five way tie. Yeah, I mean it's been.
It's been ridiculous, honestly. Now more than likely, Tom, this
situation probably will work itself out and not be an issue. Something is going
to happen more than I think, more than likely. But I'm glad that
at least has figured out. And you know, I'm sure you and I
both you know, we've been reading social media the last couple of days.
K State fans owe You fans, they've been bitching, they've been upset,
and I think Tom, two things can be true at once, K state
know, you fans have the right to vent and bitch and feel the way
they do to have the tiebreaker scenario switched like it was, and to be
gas lit by this conference to say we didn't change the rules. We clarified
them. No, you changed the rules. Don't gaslight us. They have
a right to be upset. But this was a tough decision to make.
I still think it was the right decision. Though. I think it was
the right decision because it makes sense. And you know, obviously I can
say that in full faith because I'm an OSU fan and I want them to
go to Arlington. But at the same time, like when you're gone your
way, Tom, I knowing you you would have been pissed. Yeah,
maybe a little bit, but at the you know, at the same time,
as as something that is as I can set aside, oh Shu has
beaten those teams, and so kind of in the in the in the sense
that uh kind of going back to like one call doesn't necessarily make a game
when OU's like, well, Drake Stoop's got fucking foul in the hands on
and we're a bunch of fucking Walmart fan cocksucker, bitches like most OU fans
are. I don't even care about that. I didn't get to say my
piece about Bedlam because we skipped last week and then I got and then I
got somewhat humbled before I even got a chance to get humbled this past week.
But that being said, it's like, okay, well, one call
doesn't make a game, you know. It's like, okay, well you
know what, Oh you cocksuckers win fucking Bedlam. We're not even talking about
this, right, you know, K State beat O s U and oh,
you look like dog shit all season beat them. We're not even talking
about this, Like when the games are supposed to and then we're not even
talking about this. It's like, well, make the players. You're supposed
to catch the balls. You're supposed to throw an out route to Drake Stoops
that's past the marker, and oh, you probably ends up driving down the
field and win and bed them. We're not even talking about it. And
I'll say this, like you're not hearing Chris Climbin or Brent Finnibles complain about
this. I think they know it too, right, they have, They've
handled it with class. I'll give them credit, you know how they've gone
about this, no excuses or anything. That's all about what fans are saying,
you know, and and you know, you got these ou people that
are trying to call conspiracy, you know, big trolls trying to stop us
and all this, you know, like get out of here, you know
what I mean. Uh, it's a little ridiculous, But nonetheless I think
it's the right call. We'll see how it all plays out, still a
couple weeks ago, but it's certainly going to be interesting. And so now
let's, uh, let's look at the where the team stack up in the
playoff picture. Tom, Let's start off with with Texas. They're the only
team alive from the Big twelve that can make the playoffs. At this point,
they're at nine to one. They're behind Oregon but ahead of Alabama.
Alabama's looked really good as of lates. They look like a different team from
when they face Texas back in September. Texas beat them by ten, of
course in Tuscaloosa. This is my fear, Tom, for Texas. I
think that Texas, it's very obvious they're not paying playing their best football right
now. Everybody can agree with that. Texas does not look like what they
did a couple months ago, and you know, losing uh, you know
they're running back Brooks for the rest of the year certainly doesn't help either.
With that said, Tom, I am afraid for Texas's sake, that if
alib Obama wins out beats Georgia in the SEC title game, they are gonna
jump Texas and that they would potentially get the playoff spot over Texas. It
wouldn't be right. I mean, why play the non conference games, why
play the head to ads? But based on kind of the way the committee
has been pulling things the first couple of weeks here, something tells me that
that Texas could be on the raw end of the stick of Alabama finds a
way to win out. If you're a Texas fan, you're actually probably cheering
for Alabama to lose some time down the final stretcher. Well, you know,
not even that you mentioned. You mentioned the SEC side of things.
Look at the PAC twelve side of things. If Oregon State goes and beats
wash Washington and then Oregon, and then Oregon goes and then beats Oregon State
and then wins the Pactal Championship, well, automatically their resume is going to
be way, way better than Texas's. And if they have the same record,
well you got to take at that point, you beat an Oregon State,
you know, you beat a Washington team, and then you beat an
Oregon State team or however you want to match it up. It's like three
top ten games. I don't see Florida State losing, No, they wi
the Ohio State Michigan winner is in, and Georgia is still a contender potentially
speaking, and then Georgia Alabama. Georgia, if they lose to Alabama or
they went out, is still a playoff contender either way. So there's only
four seats at the table here Texas. They could went out and still not
find their way into this playoff here. And despite that win against Alabama.
The worst thing that could have happened if Texas happened this past weekend when UCF
shit all down Oklahoma State. That that ruined their that ruined their you know,
drink the schedule a resume builder potential winning Arlington, Uh No, I
don't know Lagins awaiting Texas the rest of the way. Yeah, there's no
yeah, exactly, there's no games that are so close that they shouldn't win
or that are going to be as close as the Red River, and they
lost the Red River. You know, and now if if Texas is undefeated,
we're probably not having this combo. We're saying if they went out there
in and you know they they they for one, played very close against k
State. That was a great game k State. If they were a little
bit better coach, if Colin Klin actually got his head out of his ass
in the first half, problem, i'mightd not be even having this combo.
You know, they have they have to go to ames Iowa at night on
Saturday. A lot of people are picking Iowa State. I'm a little hesitant
to do that, but Jack tries, there is no shit they could do
that. But I mean, we all expect Texas to win out and with
the rule change, as long as Oklahoma State takes care of business. Hopefully
if they beat Dana and then hopefully they beat the Mormons, then you know,
I still don't think Oklahoma we talked about this before the show. I
don't think Oklahoma State can beat Texas, even if they're you know, past
couple of seasons record shows that OSU could do it. I think Texas is
too strong upfront defensively, and I think they could stop Ollie Gordon and now
make all the difference in the world. Doesn't matter though. If the resume
is not there, it's not gonna matter. I think the way the playoffs
is going to shake out. I don't think Texas gets in. I think
we're gonna think so either. I think Georgia wins out. I think that
they're getting hot, they're playing better. I still even Obama's playing better as
of late. I still like Georgia more than Bama. I think Georgia wentz.
I think Michigan is gonna beat Ohio State, that they're gonna win out.
I think they're a better team than Ohio State is. And clearly this
Harball stuff and Spygate, whatever you want to call it, it just doesn't
matter. I think it's all you know. Did Harball deserve to be suspended?
Yes? Will it stop them from winning the Big Ten and winning out?
No? I think that whether Harball is out for a number of games,
whatever it may be, I think Michigan's gonna be fine with or without
him until he comes back. I think Michigan wins out. So there's two
Your spots. I think Florida State wins out. They're only tough game left
is a potential. You know, they do take it back. Two couple
games left at Florida in the Swamp that won't be easy. Florida has played
well in some big games this year, that's not a given. And then
an acc Tyler game, probably against Louisville, who's been one of the biggest
surprises in the country this year. I think Florida's probably finds a way to
win out. Uh, you know, I trust Mike Norville. Yeah,
Mike is a great job. I trust him to win out. I think
Oregon is gonna win out and they're gonna beat Washington in a rematch in the
pack teb table game. And I it's clear the Committee likes them more than
Texas and Alabama right now. And you add a couple more big resume wins
of Oregon State and Washington, that's only gonna help. I think that's gonna
be your final four time is Georgia, Michigan, Florida State, and Oregon
and uh, Texas gets Texas to Alabama ultimately miss out. Yeah, I
think you're absolutely right, and I think it'll be the only thing I would
switch. I would take Ohio State. I'll go Georgia, Ohio State,
Florida State, Oregon. Okay, I think I think that's I think that
we're looking at. I mean, he could either go either way. Obviously
we're both in agreements that whoever wins the game is going to be number two
and then the rest of it falls in place. I mean, and I
mean Texas, Texas obviously has to win out, but they need a lot
of help and it's out of their control in terms of resume builders because Oregon
has their last stretches. All that all Oregan has to do is win out,
and they should. They will be in the only clear path to the
playoff right now are the five undefeated teams. Yeah, if you're I agree,
if your Oregon, if you're Texas or Alabama, it's not a guarantee
that you went out and you get in. You might need some help,
So now I agree. I do agree though if Alabama, fine, if
Oregon ends up dropping it dropping the ball and Oregon States looks really good too,
and I think Oregon State's like a two and a half point FI favored
against in corvallisis I mean, let's just take a second and say that the
NCAA denies James Madison the CFP bid or even a bull bid, right,
they deny them that. Yeah, but College Game Day decides to go there
instead of corvallis blasphemy. I mean really, I don't think it is actually
because ESPN knows they would not be welcome in Corvallis based on how they've treated
Organstein. I mean, I mean, I guess that's true. And they
always picked that weird game once a year, like what last year they go
to Harvard, Yale or whatever they picked, or Princeton and wherever. I
mean, I don't really care where a college football pregame show goes. No,
I know, but I'm like, I do still feel bad for Washington
State, Oregon State, and I hope, I hope Oregon State, for
what it's worth, hope Oregon State just pulls it off and beats the shit
out of everybody left the other big big PLAYSU, the other big twelve teams,
and the CFP pole. This week, oh U's at thirteen two losses,
or actually at fourteen rather and uh not the lowest ranked two loss team
they are at Iowa. But there are you know, we see they're behind
Ole Miss and Penn State and Oregon State. Then you go a little bit
further down, k State at twenty one, Oklahoma State at twenty three,
Kansas at twenty five. You know the kind of odd that the committee put
Kansas State above Oklahoma State. But the committee, I think, only really
cares about the top four rankings. They don't really care about ranking the teams
after the top six beyond that point. So you know what that said.
I don't think it's too big of a deal necessarily, you know, beyond
that. So let's leave the vig twelve slate of games this week. Well,
we'll break these down peace, pyt piece go rapid fire here, game
by game in the conference. Let's let's get things started. Eleven am on
Saturday, Oklahoma taking on by You Owe you Big Favorites twenty four and a
half on the road in Provo Tom. I think, oh you is glad
this is gonna be a morning game. It's gonna be ten am in the
Mountain time zone. And BYU has played some really bad football as of late.
This one, Oh you looked a lot better last week. No reason
why, oh you shouldn't win this game, Big they should win it big.
And you know, I always say you took a care of business against
them last week. Interesting fact about this game, if I'm not mistaken,
earliest game Oh You has ever played the second game, I can't think who
it was against, but it was obviously in on the West Coast area two
thousand and two, by about four or five minutes from the kick time.
I believe, if I'm not like I said, if I'm not mistaken,
the earliest kick oh You's ever had, pretty creating. It kicks off local
time I think at ten to ten. Yeah, that that's that's gonna be
something. Uh and by You better get used to it, because they're gonna
have uh, some more kickoffs like this in their in their very future.
No more provo night games. Well they'll get h they'll get the big twelve
after dark. Like that's the thing that's gonna be wild for BYU and Colorad
and some of these schools. Tom is like they're gonna get the ten am
starts and then they're also gonna get like eight pm starts. To you know,
it's gonna be pretty bizarre. But nonetheless, West Virginia and Cincinnati.
West Virginia is six and four and they are Bowl eligible. And Tom,
I don't see how our sweet Prince Neil Brown in Morgantown next year. He
had maybe the worst roster in the conference this year and turned that to do
a bowl team. And I still have no idea how that old Bruce Webber
handshake they might explain it. Good for Neil Brown, if there's a twenty
third Street brewing in Morgantown, they better make him a meal. It better
be a four course meal. And after all, West Virginia has been through
too with Huggy and all that, and Neil Brown on the hot seat.
I mean, it hasn't been easy in Morgantown these days, and that's a
big accomplishment. I don't think they'll have any problems with Cincinnati. The old
Neil Brown blow job sandwich what that means. Moving on to Baylor. These
year's four and six, they're at home. They're two touchdown favorites against Baylor.
Baylor at three and seven. I know Dave Randa won a Big twelve
title two years ago, but second straight disappointing season, they're not gonna go
into a bowl game, Tom. If TCU blows out their arch rival Baylor,
here. Could we be talking about Dave Randa getting fired here in a
couple of weeks. I mean, he should be on the hot Seat's not
talked about enough. I mean, you know, when Baylor played I mean
two not even well it would it be it would wouldn't even be seven hundred
and fifty days ago or less, which seems like an eternity away Blake's shape
and what probably truth freshmen at the time. I believe played well enough to
beat that Oklahoma State team, and the defense played well enough, and it
was the top of the world for Dave Veranda. You know, they go
on. I believe they. I don't think they won the bowl game when
they play Alabama, they played Old Miss Okay, did they win? They
did win the Sugar Bowl, didn't they? And does that not seem like
forever ago? I mean, I'm sure for Dave Randa it feels like an
eternity because that was the end of Matt Carrol's football career basically that night too.
Oh yeah, that's yeah. I got hammered. Yeah, and then
he never showed up. I don't even can't remember where he even got drafted
Tennessee. Uh Carolina was a third round pick and then after they drafted Bryce
Young, they cut him. He goes to New England and then he went
missing for a couple of days and he never showed back up. Oh the
old, the old stetson been a bender. Yeah, I mean what what
I mean? Yeah? That feels like an eternity ago. And so you
know, where does I think Dave Miranda could And you know it wouldn't be
out of the question that he would deserve to get fired. I mean it's
been the opposite turnaround and in a in a very weird fashion, like he
sold his soul to the Baptist devil u down there in Waco. Real quick.
Not to get too far off on Baylor, because we've got other things
to talk about, but that's a program, Tom, I I look at
they have great facilities, You're playing in the state of Texas, You're in
a very good conference, the Big Twelve. There's just no reason for Baylor
to be a three to seven football team ever, Like, at minimum,
Baylor should be a bowl team every single year every All the resources are there
for them to compete for bowl games year in years and they were lucky to
beat UCF And they're not even the best they're not even the second best team
in the I think they would beat Rice, but I don't even think they're
the second best team in the Dallas manstro or. I guess they're not technically
in the metro. But SMU would beat this Baylor team, Oh of course
absolutely, And TCU will beat them this weekend OSU taking out Houston. OSU's
a seven point favorites going on the road there. OSU looking for a bounce
back game after that debacle that happened last week against UCF emotional win against OU,
made your letdown last week. It's real simple for OSU. Tom They
got established the run with Oli Gordon. This was the first game that he
struggled all year where the offensive line didn't look good. I mean, that's
the key that's been OSU's entire season. If Ollie Gordon plays well, they
win. If they get Oli Gordon going again, they should be able to
win this football game. But we have seen Houston has despite the four and
six record, they've given some teams some scares this year. It's it's not
a given that OSU just goes in there and blows them out the door.
Here. Houston has played up to their competition at times they have and and
you know, speaking of that game, Jones, I'm looking at his tickets
right now for that game, folks, me and Jones might be there.
We might reunite for our Texas tours, and it it's on Vivid seats for
three dollars. Well, the fees are worse, but I'm looking at this
thirty yard line for fifteen rows up for maybe forty a piece. I already
told you I'd cover at least twenty of it, so we might be going
who knows. Yeah, you're you're right. I would like to think,
in my homerism that OEU or sorry OSU would have the pissed off feeling that
that maybe OU did against West Virginia and kind of boat race them real quick
after the first quarter. I think OSU could do the same against Houston.
You know what three pm kick there is. I expect there to be a
decent amount of orange that doesn't necessarily matter a whole lot. But they won't
be in uh, they won't be out there in space like they were last
week. But you have the team that was in space, UCF taking on
Texas Tech UF's first ever trip to Lubbock. John Ryse Pumbley has played really
good since he took over the starting quarterback again. Texas Tech got away with
a win in Lawrence last week. I'll be frank, I was at that
game. Texas Tech did not play well. They got lucky that Jason Bean
got hurt. That's why they won that game. True, I look at
that game, Tom like I think UCF is the better team right now.
But going in Lubbock is never easy. No texts favored, but bow eligibility
on the line and everything. I feel like TCU is kind of the hotter
hand right now. As has maguire turned the corner and saved the season?
Well, wouldn't They saved the season because they had Bowl they had big twelve
championship aspirations. And he's done enough damage control to minimize his seat getting decently
hot. Yes, yeah, and more. Morton has another season under his
belt. Morton's not bad. Morton's what he's a? Is he a rich
shirt sophomore? I think so, Yeah, he's a he's a true sophomore.
Yeah, so, I mean he could get better. He could also
end up being blake shaping, But I'll give him the benefit of the doubt
or benefit of the doubt now. But I mean if this game was in
use in Orlando, I'd probably have to take UCF that OSU made that plumbly
kid look like Johnny Mansdel last week. Oh that'll be a game I keep
on kay U. K State Sunflowers Showdown. Kansas has not won this game
since Todd Resing was that quarterback of Kansas. We've heard from lance lepol they're
optimistic Jason Bean will come back and play in this game. Prior to the
injury, Jason Bean looked really good. This Kansas offense was rocking, and
you know, they almost found a way to win last week even with going
to a third string walk on quarterback. Lance Lepold has done an incredible job
with this Kansas program. You know, it's a night game, it's the
biggest game in Lawrence in a long time. K State's a good football team
though, and they're playing for a Big twelve title and everything. They only
have two conference losses. To me, this comes down to quarterback play.
Tom is for one, is Jason Bean gonna play? And is he gonna
be one hundred playing a high level? And how's Will Howard gonna look?
Is Will Howard we've seen him look great and we've seen him at times turn
over the football too much. Either what quarterback is going to play better?
Yeah, that's that's an interesting fact. And that third string for kau what's
his last name, Collared or yeah, he's something else. You know,
Colts have a bye week, so daddy is going to be an attendance,
I'm sure Howard. Yeah, yeah, his his dad will probably be in
attendance, and you know, maybe they can uh maybe maybe they'll just you
know, maybe if they want to win, maybe they'll just sneak in Garner
Minshew uh in the Ballard Jersey Maybe maybe so, but uh, you know,
with with k State two, I think it's like a short leash of
sword for Will Howard tom because when we've seen Avery Johnson, their freshman quarterback,
this kid's been really good and you know he's he's the future like Will
Howard. That's I think that could be a difference in this as well.
We mentioned quarterback play, like what quarterback plays better? Will Howard doesn't look
great like they have a really good second option potentially KSE State does. Have
we not said that one for a couple of things here on Will Howard Will
Howard is KSE State's Perry Ellis how Is, He's been there for fifty years.
It feels like somehow and I don't I still don't know how I still
I feel like I've been watching him at k State since almost twenty thirteen.
At this point, I remember in twenty twenty when people were calling for Skylar
Thompson to be benched for this young quarterback named Will Howard. I mean,
but I mean, the past three years have obviously felt like twenty almost.
But at the same time, the entire time that Will Howard's been there,
and we say this about the Big twelve basketball and how competitive is how deep
it is. We say some of the things, same things about the about
one Big twelve in general, but one of the consistent things we've always said
about Will Howard as long as I can remember, what Will Howard's gonna show
up? Which one? Who we got? We got balls balls out Will
Howard? Or we got a little bitch Will Howard? Which one are we
getting? I mean, it's it's you're either getting, like you know,
you're either getting Will Howard the Dad Dick's Oklahoma State forty eight nothing or you
get the Will Howard that shits the bed and throws three picks in the fourth
quarter? Which will Howard? Are we getting this week? That remains me
seen? I uh my, my my mind tells me k State. My
heart tells me Kau and I hope your heart's right. I think k is
gonna come out hungary after a bad taste their mouth from last week too.
Do they rush the field this week? If they pull off the du is
the goalpost going in the pond? Oh? Yeah, it might be going
to mass Street or something, you know, I mean yeah, it might
be Texas taking on Iowa States without Brooks. I'm very intrigued to see how
this Texas team looks. How does this change their ability to run the football?
Quinn Yours the second game back. Texas hasn't looked great the last couple
of weeks. Iowa State, they're bone eligible, They're six and four.
You know, they were kind of written for dead, and everybody thought this
could be the end for Matt Campbell and all the scandal, you know,
the gambling out all that, and here they are, night game, it's
on Fox, it's in ames. Uh. This is is a total trap
game for Texas right here at top you know, Ames is where dreams go
to die. It is the you know they say the Iowa cornfields, and
you know up there in Kansas, Omaha, that little flyover state bullshit is
the field of dreams. Well, you go a little east and you go
to uh Ames, Well that's where dreams go to die. And uh,
you know, if Sark Sark can have his little cutoff blazer on or whatever
he wears his little windbreaker bullshit, and that might not protect him from the
voodoo magic that happens at Jack Trice Stadium at night in November. So,
uh, Brett Auburn better have his legs straight and won't be surprised if Iowa
State wins by a field goal. Yeah, woll SeeMe clintch else sets to
join us coming up in just a moment. Before we do, Tom Ad
briefly. Want to talk to Big twelve hoops here real quick. Let's start
off with the Jayhawks here that beat Kentucky on Tuesday night in the Champions Classic,
a game they trailed by ten points at one point. Hunter Dickinson goes
off. Uh, he was absolutely incredible. I think he's the best player
in America. Kevin mccullor at a triple double. Really big win for Kansas
and against I think a Kentucky team that's better than most people realize. Seventeenth
ranked team in the country. I think Kentucky's probably one of the top ten
teams in the land. You get that done. Eighty nine to eighty four.
Coming out party for Hunter Dickinson. That Kansas team. You know,
I saw him in person last weekainst Manhattan. They're not They're not bending down
for anybody. This this team I think's without a doubt, the best team
in America in my humble, unbiased opinion. I mean yeah, I mean
I've been a Hunter Dickinson fan for a long time, and when he was
at Michigan and thought, you know, just watching him there, I thought
he was was incredible. And you know, if if Kansas can harner,
you know, harness his power like they did against this they can run that
all season, then I don't I don't see why Kansas didn't. Going back
to the Final Four, a couple more teams to talk about. Baylor had
a nice win against Auburn, a game where they were an underdog in the
UH In that game in South Dakota at that old school gym up there.
Last week they got to win there. They've won, you know, three
since then. They're four and oh they look really good. Baylor's got a
couple guys that are projected to be first round picks. Watch out Scott Drew
and the Baylor Bears are back once again. I mean yeah, I mean,
you know, if their football team is gonna be dog shit, well,
at least the basketball team can do something. Are they the new Kansas?
It might be they might be the big surprise. One of the biggest
I think shockers in the first two weeks of college basketball this year has been
the BYU Cougars. BYU, Tom was picked to finish thirteenth in the Big
Twelve. And what did they do. They beat San Diego State, who
was in the National Championship game last year, by nine, a convincing win.
Beat the crap out of Southeast Louisiana, beat the crap out of Houston
Christian BYU is looking really good and they've got the nation unnoticed. Andy Katz
says they're about a top thirty five team. I've seen some you know,
football or some some basketball power index that has them about somewhere between twenty five
and thirty. You know, of all the realignment stuff we talked about Tom,
the things we were excited about, you know, whether it was you
know, Houston basketball coming in or football games in provol Nowhere on my r
was BYU basketball relevant in twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four. But here
we are shout out Bartlesville and the Hartstock boys BYU's back, right. Uh.
You know I saw at old SoC boys there in high school, that
those guys could play. They did, you know, the you know,
they were the the More and the LDS, Pride and joy of Bartlesviil America
and and went on and and one of them got dunked on by Kawhi Leonard.
Uh. One of my favorite pictures of all time when I when he
was on the Spurs obviously. But you know what, b Yu's always kind
of been that, uh that, hey, we're Mormon and we played like
a homeschool team. We play like the the Noah kids, but we're somehow
still there. Uh. B Yu has always kind of been that, hey,
we're pretty good. We're all white, but we're pretty good at basketball.
Still wrong though, Yeah, white homeschool kids, but we can ball.
The Legend of jim Or for Debt lives on. It does one more
team talking about here, real quick, Houston three and zero so far,
your number sixteen in college basketball. But they've played a cupcake schedule. Houston,
you're not in the American anymore. Start scheduling some real teams in non
conference play. Come on, Calvin. What's interesting is Tom, they do
not play quality opponent till December one in the Big East Big Twelve Battle,
which is mandated by the conference, by the way, So it's not like
that they're being that this is out of their own good will, like they're
trying to schedule well, no play Savior Xavior is a pretty decent team in
their own right here. In a couple of weeks, they'll travel Cincinnati for
that game. But Tom, I'm looking at Houston, I'm like, this
is the team we all want to see, Like, come on, play
somebody legit here, Like you're not in the American anymore? Wake cup here?
Yeah, you know, I will say too. You mentioned that,
and I think they definitely could and cannot wait to see BYU Houston matchup,
especially now that by you has already beaten San Diego State, who we were
thinking could have been our you know, our our white Rabbit in terms of
West Coast basketball for Big twelve. But a little off page thing about we
mentioned all these great teams. We mentioned the the Noah kids, the homeschool
kids for BYU, and mentioned mentioned you know, we mentioned KU kicking ass
as normal, and you know, I think k State even with Jerome Tank
and you know, they had some injuries or that one kid that got kicked
off that they said it would be a seat like he's called a season engine,
a season ending injury for that kid who violated team rules or whatever.
Obviously not to be too homer, but at the same time flip flopping for
me when we talk about, you know, hate ful eight teams. If
Mike Boyden does not take the Oklahoma State Cowboys to the NCAA Tournament, I
think he should probably be let go. You know, I was thinking there's
probably something it's I think it's time. I think there's some big changes potentially
a foot Boyden's on the hot seat. I love him, I love him.
Porter Moser is on the hot seat. You know, watch out.
We could see some some big potential changes in this league. And you know,
Texas Tech I think is gonna be interesting because here's a guy in Grant
McCaslin in his first year, coming over from North Texas where he did a
hell of a job. And Texas Tech fans are still all these years later
thinking about Chris Beard and you know, daydreaming about what Chris Beard did with
that program, and and I think, Tom that was an anomably what Chris
Beard did. It's gonna be hard for any coach to ever. They probably
will never play a national title game ever again at Texas Tech. Grant mccaslin's
gonna come in. I think he's a good coach, he could do a
good job, but it's hard to imagine him even coming close to the success
that we saw from Chris Beard. There. Like, that's a that's a
tall task for a really good coach. He's set up for disappointment. And
I'll tell you who's really set up for disappointment this year. No, No,
Huggy Bear and Morgan down this year. I can't even tell you who
their coaches did. They who they get for their coach out there in West
Virginia. So West Virginia, what they did for their basketball program? Uh,
they ended up going with somebody that was on Hugging's staff. Josh Ellerts
who played for Huggy and he's still the interim He was not named the full
time head coach. And from the people I have talked to in Morgantown,
there's still some people that think there is a it's a slim, but it's
still possibility. Bob Huggins could be back next year. There's no way that
would be the most West Virginia boo. Ever. If they bring him back,
I think they should just I think one of the stipulations should just be,
like give him a pint of moonshine every game and just let him coach
drunk his ship, Like, let let Bob Huggins drink just enough where he
turns into Bobby Knight rest in peace. Maybe, uh, maybe Bob Huggins
would go to Texas Tech next. I mean, you know, I mean,
I don't know if you can uh brew uh brewer distill a liquor band
out of tortillas, But if you could, Bob, you know, there's
so much out there. Give him that Bob stoops rock and roll tequila.
Yeah, there's so much room out there in Lubbock. There's really nothing out
there, Uh, you know, maybe they could set him up his own
like facility where he could just drink and drive around the track out there,
you know what I mean, there's nothing out there. The only the only
thing that he could hit out there, maybe a couple of road runners,
tumbleweeds, and a couple of coyotes. Just put him in a put him
in a fucking O six town and country and give him a bottle and let
him go. Oh my gosh, can Bob Huggins pick you up in an
O six town and country? Drunk his ship leaving the downtown Lubbock bars?
Would you get in the uber with Bob Huggins in a town and country?
And then uh, you get pulled over at the b K drive through singing
be okay, have it your way, O man, Let me get a
let me a whopper, whopper, double woffer. It's just you, pully
h you pull up, but hug he had that dui at the b K.
One of the odds. He was singing the Big K song. If
he was Burger King would have hired him. By now, I mean,
what does even order? Yeah, I mean he could be I mean on
a tangent, but like he wouldn't even talk about Burger King. What did
he even order? You know, he thought what he was in was he
in Ohio? He thought he was in Pittsburgh. Yes, that's like probably
two and a half hours away. What did he even pull up in order?
And I'm more impressed that he made it across like two states. My
buddy Reid and I we were laughing the other day, by the way,
the Kansas game that uh Bill self is a spokesman for Wendy's in the Bacon
eight and there's a very clearly photoshot photo of him just holding a baconator.
And I'm like, I gotta know, like there's at least two trips to
the local Windy's to go get the baconator for that to pay for Bill's shelf
every week? Right, Oh, there has to be. There's I mean,
there's there's no other way. I mean, it was good advertising at
work, Tommy, you better believe postgame meal it was to the Windy's drive
to get the baconator. Was that what you had? Oh? Hell yeah?
Now Wendy's was better back in the day when Wendy's was yellow. Yeah,
when Wendy's does yeh? I think to be as bad as that sounds,
I think that's probably the last, honestly, I would. I mean,
I like the frosty, but everything else, I'm like, you know
what rives were better when they didn't leave the potato skins on him? Yeah.
See, that was always like a weird The only fries that should have
potato skin are like the deli fries that like the fucking Homeland. I mean
when you were at Wendy's when it was yellow back in the day and they
had the sun roof going on, uh you know where you were sitting there
and you had your big yellow cup and they didn't offer vanilla frosty or anything
like that. If you ate a frosty, you had a chocolate frosty.
Dammit. I think they could have a pumpkin spice frosty right now, Like,
what the hell? What the hell we doing Wendy's. It's like the
Wendy's lady and the Starbucks ladies start having them, just a lesbian couple relationship
after the pumpkin spice one. Okay, THEO on that note, we'll bring
in Clint Chill. That on your mind now, the Wendy's, the Wendy's
Lady and the Starbucks girl hooking up. I can't get that out of my
mind. Think about that baby, I'd watched that. Oh lord, we'll
get his thoughts on this whole mess of the Big twelve tiebreaker and talk some
cowboy football go around the Big twelve. When Clinton joins us, that's on
the other side, stay with us, join us now on the program this
week, please, we welcome in former Oklahoma State quarterback Clint shelf also with
the Oklahoma State Cowboys Radio Network. Kid also in the podcasting game now as
well, and he joins us right now. Clint, always pleasure when we
get the chance to chat a friend. You've had a lot of change in
your life since last time we talked. Pick grats on the new baby at
home. Man, Yeah, I have. I appreciate it. Yeah,
it's like every every middle aged white guy started a podcast. I didn't actually
start it, I guess, but I got asked to do it. So
yeah, I've got a podcast now and then we'll we welcomed my wife and
I we welcomed our second daughter, Carter, into the world, about six
weeks ago. So yeah, it's been a whirlwind football season to say,
to say the least. Yeah, no doubt, no doubt about it,
but certainly a big win for you guys off the field at that front there,
Clint, I got to start off with the big controversy at hand of
this Big twelve tiebreaker situation as we find OSU K State and Oklahoma jackeying for
position here and Texas of course at the top of the standings right now,
what did you make the decision or clarification that was made this week by the
Big Twelve office there. You know, that's a tough one, and I
think ultimately what you want to do is you want to get it right,
and you want to get the team that's most deserving into the championship, and
I think that this does that. I understand Kansas State and Oklahoma's frustrations,
but you had the opportunity to beat this team on the field, and so
you know, I don't obviously being on the right side of it, it
feels like for once at Oklahma State, it feels nice. But I think
I think people are getting a little bit too caught up and how it's come
about instead of what it accomplishes. And I think what it accomplishes is getting
the right team on the field. I understand, you know, the clarification
or the rule change or whatever you want to call it. It was pretty
ambiguous wording. I felt like, I feel like a lot of people read
it and kind of well, that doesn't make any sense. So you know,
the AD's met and seem to get it all worked out. Of course,
none of this is going to matter if if Oklahoma State plays the same
way it did this last weekend in the following two weeks and loses a game.
So it could be a moot point. But I think ultimately the goal
was to get get it right, and we've seen so often across college football.
I think you just look at this more the James Madison Jacksonville State ruling
not being able to play in conference championship because of an archaic rule, an
odd rule. Ultimately, you want to get it right for the student athletes.
The NCAAA didn't do it in that case, and I think the Big
Twelve did what most people think with common sense, is the right thing in
this situation. Yeah, I mean, was it the correct path to get
there, maybe not, But at the end of the day, it was
the best outcome the decision to decided here, and you bring up an interesting
point about Okay, it doesn't matter if Volklhoma State plays like they did last
week. Again, if you're the Cowboys, how do you turn the corner
what last week would happened there in Orlando behind you and shift gears to these
next two weeks? What is that mindset like, not just for the coaching
staff but for the players to try to forget about what happened last week when
everything went down the way it did well, I think you said it.
You forget about it. You watch the film maybe one time, and then
you burn it, you throw it away. And coach Gundhy kind of said
that, you know, they went in with some game plan stuff that you
know, UCF just just had a better game plan for. And this is
unfortunately a team who is who has seen this before. Earlier in the season.
Obviously we got we got dominated by by South Alabama at home, went
on the road, played better at Iowa State, which which turned out to
be a team that is is pretty good. You know, when when I
was watching him going into that game, we didn't think they were very good
because they were coming off a loss from Ohio. Turns out they're actually a
good team. So it's not as bad of a loss as it made it
look. And uh and this team then went on a run. So they
have experience with being able to have a short memory, like a like a
shooter in in in basketball. You know, you don't you miss eight shots,
you keep shooting. And so this team, I think there's some veteran
leadership with Alan Bowman, Joe Mahalsky who was sick last week. They've solidified
the offensive line with Dalton Cooper. I think these veteran guys are able to
lead the program focus on what's ahead of them and because their goals, especially
now with that clarification that we talked about, are still in front of them.
Yeah. And you know the thing for me, I look at Clint
and all three losses for all s U. This is a team that did
not run the football well at all three losses and that's been their strength their
core all season long. With what Anna Gordon has been able to do best
running back in college football this year is just dominate with the run game.
There, what when when you turn the page, when you go back to
this week, how do you get that back to what you were doing before
of getting back to the run game, of being you know to what it
was previously. Well, I think I think first and foremost, you have
to play complimentary football, right. The defense has to be able to stop
plays, stop teams from giving up chunk plays, and that's something that they
had a difficult time doing against UCF. And so this team is not built
to comfort behind. So the defense has to play complimentary football and do their
job and stop teams from scoring so that you can establish the run and play
from e lead. This team has not been a good team coming from behind,
and so you have to be able to establish it throughout the game offensively,
but also with the defense doing its job. Last week, honestly,
you see at UCF the offense was moving the ball fine through the air.
They were able to throw the ball. It was a weird game. You
had a three tipped i'd say two tipped passes and then a really bad throw
by Alan Bowman. You had some the turnovers, the fumble, then it
was a downpour and you're playing from behind trying to run the ball and it's
trying to throw the ball. It's just really difficult. It was a weird,
weird game. I think that they'll be able to establish the run.
The offensive line had some issues last week. I mentioned guys being sick.
I think it starts upfront with those guys. When they're healthy, they've been
able to open up some planes for Ali Gordon. Yeah yeah, certainly,
certainly this week you take on a Houston team on the road that I know
they're four and six, but this is a Houston team that's made some noise.
They've made life difficult case in Point Texas U earlier this year, and
and uh, West Virginia got that big win. There, Uh not a
team to be taken lightly by by any means here. Do you think,
uh, they're gonna they're this Oklahoma State team is gonna have uh you know,
their their focus in Uh you did a little wake up call of some
sorts heading into this Houston game. Absolutely, you know. I think if
if anything last week, if there's a silver lining, it's that you know,
it got the It got them refocused, right. You had a little
bit of a margin of air. You could lose one of these games and
still most likely make the Big Golf Championship. Unfortunately it was the first game,
so now you're your marginam Mayer is gone. But I think it refocused
the team and You're right, this is a dangerous team. It's a team
that we are familiar with. With Donovan Smith at quarterback. We played he
started uh against Oklomba State two years ago when he was it Tech. Obviously
we know the history with with Dana Holgerson being one of our office of coordinators
and then the battles at West Virginia, but even going back to his day
is pre o issue. When he was at Houston as the offensive coordinator,
he gave Oklhoma State fits. So if there's a guy that you that you
don't want to see on the other side of the ball scheming up offensive game
plans after you've just given up forty five points and gotten blown out, it's
probably Dana Holgerson. So the defense is going to have their work cutout for
him. They've got they've got some really good wide receivers, Samuel Brown,
Joseph man Jack, a guy that transferred from from USC back to Houston.
They've got guys, especially at the receiver position, that that make you lose
sleep as a defensive coordinator. So I hope that the thought would be that
this team refocuses and that loss is something that we look as a kind of
a speed bump, but definitely have their work cutout for him with a team
that we're pretty familiar with as far as coaching staff and a player too well.
And I look at this clin you know, being a top twenty five
team and you know, being in the driver's seat to get to the Big
twelve championship game. It's different now for Oklahoma State going into stead of these
final games of being the hunted now instead of being the hunter of some sorts
UCF that was a huge game for them, Houston, huge opportunity for them,
b YU this upcoming week after this, All three of these opponents a
totally different mindset than some of the teams Oklahoma State was facing early on in
the season. Yeah, you're exactly right. You know, after we lose,
we lose to South Alabama, and iways said, it was like,
what do you have to lose? Now you can just kind of go play.
I think you saw that. That's why they were able to go on
the run that they did. You know, then you start you beat OU
and it's like, Okay, now you're in the driver's seat, and that
mentality flipped a little bit and it's like, just like you said, going
from from the hunter to the hunted, and and it's always difficult when you
go you know, UCF was their space game, which is a big deal
down there Houston. It's going to be their senior day. You know,
it's going to be an emotional day. And then and then you know b
YU the last game of the year, if we're still ranked, that'll that'll
obviously be a huge game. So yeah, you've got to you've got to
flip your your mindset back into trying to be the hunter, right. You
know, after you lose a game like that, you've got to go in
there as players and say, hey, we've got to go out and be
the aggressor instead of trying to you know, maybe sit back and take it
a little bit. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Let me ask you
one more thing about Oklahoma State. Then we'll look at the big twelve picture
as a whole. Just what Ollie Gordon has done this year, the way
that he woke up and just went on a tear there for that stretch,
you know, with everything, I mean, what do you make of what
this kid has done and the talent that he brings to the table. I
Mean, we've seen some great Oklahoma State running backs over the years. But
he looks as good as any of them we've seen s of lay. Yeah,
he's incredible and he's part of the reason. You know, coming into
this year, a lot of people would always ask me, you know,
what do you think of the team this year? And I thought, you
know, from what I had seen, I thought obviously that Alan Bowman was
going to be the starter and Allie Gordon was going to be the running back,
and that was kind of the assumption. And then you go in the
first three games of the year, all Gordon gets nineteen carries in three games,
Alan Bowman in a rotation, and they lose a couple of games,
and it's and it's it's it's you know, one of those situations where,
well, if you were doing this from the beginning, where would we be
at. But at the same time, you know, maybe that helped build
some some leadership, some characters, some toughness. So always been great,
you know, twelve hundred and fifty yards rushing, I think, still leading
the country after after a dud against UCFU. But you've got to give props
to the guys up front. I think I think they were playing some musical
chairs. I mentioned Dalton Cooper. When he got established at left tackle,
this offensive line really started started taking off and opening up some holes for him.
But he's a guy that doesn't need much space, and as a big
guy, it's really cool to see his ability in the open field to stiff
arm guys and get out and kind of open it up and run and score
long touchdowns because he is a big dude. So he's been very impressive.
We've been we've been pleasantly surprised. Obviously, Like I mentioned, we thought
he was going to be the guy going in and then he wasn't. And
for him to rebound and have that mental toughness to come out on the other
side and then make a Heisman run has been been awesome to watch. But
Jelf John I guess for Oklahoma State quarterback on the program this week. Clinton
on as far as the Cowboys go, I know that they you know,
it was unfortunate for them what happened against UCF and everything, but still looking
back at that Oklahoma game a couple of weeks ago, maybe it's something that
they enjoy more after the season and for the years down the road of winning
that last Bedlam game. I know that they're not thinking about that right now
at the moment. But how big a deal was that for for Oklahoma State,
for Mike Gundy to get that last Bedlam win and not knowing what the
future holds when they'll see Oklahoma again. Yeah, it's huge. I mean
the last one for at least probably twenty years. You as Oklahoma State fans,
you always get to hear about the record and to have that kind of
final, that exclamation mark, right, and this team, like you said,
they're gonna it's gonna be something that you enjoy if you're a team.
Oklahoma has built an incredible program. They've been extremely dominant, and so when
you beat a team like that, it means something. And and teams at
Oklahoma State who do that are typically remembered very fondly. Those are teams that
you know the players on, you know the score. And so these guys,
as someone who played in two very close Bedlam games that we ended up
losing both of them right at the end, it's a heartbreaker for me,
but it was great to see for these guys because I know when you turn
thirty and you've got two kids, what it can mean to you. You
know, if you don't win those games. Yeah, and it may not
be something they enjoy the moment right now after, you know, getting pushed
around by UCF, but down the line, it'd be something that's remembered for
years. And so with that we've seen, you know, in this shit
changing landscape of college football, that we've heard Oregon and Oregon State are still
committed to playing each other as early as next year. Same with Washington and
Washington State has made it known they want to play Texas still, but Texas
hasn't agreed to terms on that idea with OU and they re moved the SEC
and and OSU and this new changing Big twelve. Obviously, you still have
to wait for an opening of sorts for both teams contractually to be able to
play this game. But with the way college football's changed, has that changed
you think the mindset at all of maybe any sense of urgency to have this
game in the future. Do you think we we CEU and OSU back sooner
than later? It's still a while before these two teams should meet again.
Yeah, I mean, I think it's going to be a while. With
the way conferences are going, you don't want to add and a Power five
out a conference game. When you're playing that many conference games, you put
yourself at a disadvantage. I mean that's just the number. Instead of playing,
you know, a team like we can use stay in State and use
a team like Tulsa instead of playing and and fill that with a game like
oh you for Oklama State. That makes your life more difficult to get to
where you want to be. If you if you want to try to get
to the twelve team playoff, if that's your end goal, then that is
not that that's shooting yourself in the foot. And and so I think it
really has to revolve around what's smart for the university, what's smart for the
football program. You know, it's not just like you're scheduling any old team
to play, right and you've already got at least in the UFL right right,
And I know we've already got scheduled Arkansas, Oregon. We've got some
of these big games out of conference coming up. So why would you want
to make your life more difficult? Aside from all the stuff with the you
know, if there's bad blood and stuff and whether we should play it or
not, it just doesn't make sense from the end goal. Perspective of where
you want to be. If you want to make it to the Big Twelve
or to the to the College Football Playoff, then you you've got to You've
got to watch out for yourself and protect yourself. You see teams like Michigan
this year, I don't think they played anybody in non conference, and so
if you're going up against that, as a team like Oklahoma State where you're
already perceived to be behind them, you've got to do everything you can to
try to help yourself and win games. Yeah, Alabama's playing what Chattanooga this
week? Yeah? I mean yeah, so yeah, I mean you need
those get right games to figure yourself out. And so it's all about,
you know, finding that balance of sorts. Looking at just the Big twelve
race, we mentioned Oklahoma States games ahead here, Kansas State get gets Kansas
this week, and sounds like Jason Bean is likely to just still play for
Kansas coming back from injury. Owe you with BYU and then next week Oklahoma
with TCU, and then Kansas State takes on Iowa State. Do you see
uh there being a loss for Kansas State or Oklahoma in these next two weeks?
That make it a very clear path or OSU to get to the Big
twelve title game. Do they get any help you think from those two programs?
Well, you tell me, are your Jayhawks gonna gonna show up for
us this weekend and it helped? That'd be nice. But Kansas State has
been playing good ball, man. I don't know. Yeah, I mean,
I think it all depends on if Jason Bean is one hundred percent or
not, if if he doesn't look the part. I don't see realistically a
chance for Kansas to Kansas State. Yeah, and and you know ou,
I feel like as much of a situation where Oklahoma State lost to UCF and
hopefully that's a refocusing situation. I think the same thing happened to them during
Bedlam. You saw him come out last week, Dylan Gabriel scored eight touchdowns.
I think I think they probably roll these next two games. Kansas State's
got some tough ones, man, Kansas And you say, Iowa State,
do they finished with you know, that's games finished the year for Yeah,
farm again, that's a tough that's a tough game. And then and then
to make it even more complicated, as as Oklahoma State fans know, Texas
has to go to Iowa stated in a night game in Ames and that's that's
not a gimme. And and Texas has you know, obviously losing Jonathan Brooks
to a cl uh tear last week. That's that's a big blow. So
you don't take those games for granted. And that would just mundy the waters
even further, right, So, uh, it would be nice if your
Jayhawks would would uh would help us out a little bit clear up the picture
for the for the Cowboys. But at the end of the day, if
what I saw on Saturday from Oklahoma State repeats itself, then we'll be out
of the picture anyways, because we will lose one of the next two games.
So they've got they've got to take care of their own business before any
of that other stuff even matters. You mentioned the Texas situation with him losing
Jonathan Brooks. Let me ask you about that, and just for that situation
for a moment here you mentioned Iowa State and then a rivalry game against Texas
attack Texas texts played better football as of late. That's there, that's their
Bettleum. You know, that's their biggest game in a long time. They
don't know when they're playing ut again and been hyping that up all season long.
Texas hasn't played their best as of late. Could we see the Horns
drop one in these next couple of weeks and they're playing for more than just
a big Jell title. They're still right in the thick of the college fotball
playoff one? Oh, I think absolutely. I think it's an absolute possibility.
I mentioned going up to Ames and how difficult that is. We found
that out in twenty eleven. It's a tough place to play. Iowa State
has got a very good defense, as they usually do. I've been very
impressed with their young quarterback Rock Obeck. He's been able to make a lot
of plays and they can run the football. So it's a tough matchup.
And then you mentioned it that Texas Tech game and into the preseason on our
podcast. I thought Texas Tech in Kansas State were probably going to be two
of the better teams in the conference. I thought they were going to be
up there with OU in Texas the top four teams. We didn't see that
from Texas Tech. They had a tough non conference schedule earlier that we talked
about going up to Wyoming and then playing Oregon, who I think is one
of the best teams in the country. Then they've had some issues at quarterback.
But you're right, this is a huge game for Texas Tech. They're
going to approach it with the same mentality that we did against Ou and Bedlam.
It's going to be a huge game. We know the preseason remarks from
your Mark where he was there and he said, I hope, you know,
hope I'm handing you the trophy over Texas in a week whatever. So
that's going to be a very a very charged atmosphere. And I could absolutely
see Texas dropping one of those two games. Well, and you know,
with Texas it's interesting because we mentioned they're not playing the best football right now.
Their final stretch with Iowa States, you know, Texas Tech and then
the big Twell title game. There's not a big marquee win waiting for them
as opposed to you know, looking at take example like Oregon, who's going
to probably play Washington again, or Alabama potentially playing Georgia in the SEC title
game. Here, could could we see a situation Texas wins out and still
gets left out of the playoff picture? Here? You think, man,
that's a great question. I I don't think so. I think that that
that Alabama win is going to carry enough weight. I think that they need
Alabama to continue to win to make their win look even better, which is
kind of backwards because they're competing against Alabama for that final spot. But this
is this is one of the ultimate scenarios that I've been looking forward to for
years, where you've got you know, maybe a one loss or an undefeated
you know, PAC twelve championship team. You've got Michigan or Ohio State undefeated,
one of them with one loss. You've got Texas with one loss,
Alabama with one loss, maybe maybe Georgia would have one loss. Obviously,
if if Alabama won the SEC championship game, then you've got Florida State that
could be undefeated. And it's like, now what you do? And I've
been wanting to see this for years to see, you know, how they
how they filter through all that. But I think Texas has has probably the
best win in the country right now. Obviously, the game's got to be
played with Michigan Ohio State and then you know, obviously the Alabama Georgia matchup
in the SEC Championship game. But I would be hard pressed, you know,
some teams, just just when you talk about optics and brands, Texas
is the big right, and so for them to get left out, I
would I would be hard pressed to think that that would happen. Well,
and you know, I'll look at this, Clint. You know, I'm
no defender of Texas by any means, but just based on you mentioned optics
here, maybe they're not playing their best football, but it's a collective body
of work. Just because that game Anins Alabama was in September shouldn't change anything.
Maybe sure Alabama's playing great football as it's late, but if that conversation
to be had, we we can't ignore a ten point win on the road
like that. I mean, head to head still has to mean something.
Why even play those non conference games if you're not going to get credit for
it exactly? And that's and that's kind of the point with the Big twelve,
you know, clarification, right, head to head has to matter at
some point. If the team's actually played each other in one team one then
they they have to get credit for that, right and especially on the road,
like you mentioned, I think I think what will be interesting is the
undefeated Florida State team. Does the committee think that if Georgia loses in the
SEC Championship, are they fully out because their loss is going to be against
a very hot Alabama team and they've won thirty games in a row. Whatever
it's going to be. So, I think whoever wins in the Pac twelve,
I think Oregon is a really dominant team. I think if they match
up against Washington again, I think they win that game and then whatever happens.
Who knows what's gonna happen with the Big Ten in Michigan with the sign
stealing and all the distractions they're going through. So I don't know, it's
going to be interesting. I'm like you, I think that the Texas win
should carry the most weight so far in the discussions of who should be in.
Well, let me ask you about the new Big twelve, the new
members that are coming in the four corner schools from the Back twelve. We've
already seen the opponents listed the matrix for the next few years. What's,
uh, what's your takeaways on just what the Big twelve is about to become
and uh, the schedule ahead? What's what's kind of your thoughts there?
Yeah, I'm super excited. You know, getting a personality like Deon Sanders
into the conference is obviously huge. Uh. The the conferences have become about
who can get the most eyeballs, right, and that's a guy that draws
a lot of eyeballs. Arizona. There's been a little bit of a resurgence
there. Uh. They they've they've certainly been playing a lot of good football.
They which quarterbacks, the freshman blanket on his name, Arizona States,
trying to build something with Kenny Dillingham. We saw them earlier in the year.
Uh, they'll be a team that's on the rebound, and then you've
got Utah, who you know is probably going to try to come in and
establish that dominance. I think they're the team that thinks, okay, we
can we can establish ourselves as the new ou or the new New Texas.
Right. They've got the physicality, they've got the pedigree, they've got the
coach and Kyle Winningham. So I'm super excited for it. I saw it
described as basically turning off the lights with with the teams in the room and
having a knife fight and just whoever comes out is going to be the champion.
Each year. It's not gonna be the same team. It's just gonna
be you know, whoever, whoever happens to be the last one standing.
And I think that's great. I think what you're gonna see and I've started
to see that. I saw a tweet about some message board comments from teams
like, you know, not the big name teams of the other conferences,
but they're gonna be at such a disadvantage. It's interesting to me. I
saw this comment is from a Minnesota fan, and it's like, this has
just become an arms race and we are in a conference. Yeah, we
get a lot of money, but we still can't compete with you know,
Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State. And it's like, how much fun
would it be for us if we were in the Big twelve and we got
to, you know, be a part of that knife fight and have a
chance equal resources competing against teams that are more on our levels. So I'll
be interested to see if that sentiment grows. But I'm I'm super ex for
the teams that we have coming into the Big twelve. Yeah, you look
at Oklahoma State next year, you get Arizona State at home, who they
just finished up a two game non conference series with you taught home Tech at
home West Virginia home road games A BYU Baylor, Colorado, TCU, and
k State. That that's a tough draw that Oklahoma State ended up getting for
twenty twenty four of their first slate in the new Big Twelve here. I
mean, that's I'll be honest here, those nine games. None of that
looks easy. I mean, even Arizona State, credit Kenny Dillingham, they
played a lot better football as of late there. I imagine they're going to
take another step forward there next year. Yeah, And that's what I mentioned,
you know, regarding the non conference and adding ou add in our schedule.
I think we start the home and away with with Oregon either in twenty
four twenty five, I believe. So you want to add an Oregon and
that's that's I don't know if that's next year or not, but I actually
I don't think it is. But you added, say say whoever it is,
I forget who we're playing non conference next year, but we've got you
want to add o you to that, and you want to add another Power
five team to that. So yeah, I mean that that's Arkansas and TU
in South Dakota State d next year, that's who it is. It's Arkansas
next year, and then the following year's Oregon. So you're gonna add Arkansas.
So imagine if you take what you just read off, add Arkansas to
it, and then add o you to it. I mean, that's that's
a schedule that you're lucky, you know, to get above five hundred on
if you have if you have a you know, an okay team, You've
got to have a great team to get through that. But I'm very excited
for for Utah coming into town. Obviously getting to travel to new places,
to to be yu to Colorado. You know, Colorado was a school that
I just missed. We had we had they had just left the conference right
before I got there, so I never got to travel up there and and
go to Boulder and see the campus and stuff. So I think all that
stuff is really great for the fans, being able to travel and see these
new new schools and new places, and uh, anytime you can get more
eyeballs, like I mentioned with a guy like the on senders, I think
it's going to be huge for the Big twelve. Well, you know,
I know the one concern not just with Oklahoma State but really just this new
league as a whole is there's not a ton of rivalries necessarily, with a
lot of you know, this league being made of a shotgun marriage of sorts,
only four locked rivalries. Oklahoma State doesn't have one of the four.
But you know, some of the stuff, you know in this post Bedlam
era comes naturally, and a lot of it, you know, depending on
some great games that happened, or maybe there's conflict within the games that can
occur here. I know people have talked about Oklahoma State and Texas Tech,
but that's not going to be an annual game necessarily, Clinton. I mean,
the type of thing like rivalries you can't just manufacture. We've seen that
in some of these other leagues here. I think for Oklahoma State and others,
some of the stuff's just going to happen over time. Something will develop
here absolutely, you know, I was very shocked to see that Oklahoma State
didn't have a protected game against Texas Tech one. I feel like the similarities
between the schools, we've had some great battles within the last fifteen years.
I was shocked to see that, and also maybe even in that similar vein
with Kansas State. Two ag schools Kansas Oklahoma obviously, you know, share
a border a lot of fans right on the border between most schools that are
in the agricultural side of things. So yeah, I was shocked to see
that. I think, like like you mentioned, things will will develop naturally.
I felt like for years we had a really good rivalry with Baylor,
and that's kind of gone to the way wayside a little bit. So those
things pop up and it's fun to see, you know, new things emerge.
I was really shocked to see that Kansas State Iowa State wasn't protected as
I think the longest running game in college football. So yeah, you know,
it's sad to lose some of those things. But like you mentioned,
some stuff's gonna happen on the field, and some stuff will happen, you
know, with with with the personalities that are leading some of these teams.
You know, it just takes one or two things being said and then it
becomes a huge game. So I'm looking forward to kind of the you know,
the chaos of all of it. Yeah, I mean, it only
takes a couple of comments from you know, coach Prime Uh or you know,
any of them yeah, exactly the last thing and then the one done
this. You know, I think this year would have been you mentioned you
love the chaos going on with the playoffs. This year would have been a
great year for this twelve team playoff, and you know, the Big Twelve's
case, you're always going to have a team there, but a little bit
of wiggle room of some sorts. We have so many good programs now,
the Utah and Oklahoma States, Kansas State's Balers of the world. The pressure
to win this league kind of I think dies down a little bit because you
could probably be a one loss or maybe even two lost Big twelve team in
this new format and still have a decent chance of making the playoffs going forward.
Here, Oh, I couldn't agree more. I think I think you've
positioned yourself brilliantly from from you know, maybe not the conference that has the
Georgia's, the Alabamas or the Michigans Ohio States, but from top to bottom,
it's hard to argue that it's not not gonna be the best best league.
I mean, I mean, certainly obviously the Pac twelve is going away,
but above the acc you know, Florida State regains dominance they'll have a
top heavy team. But I think the fun is going to be in year
to year when you get those great TCU teams like you saw last year or
two years ago with Oklahoma State, and then you can you know, parlay
that into maybe one or two teams like last year with Kansas State as well
getting into the playoff with with the twelve teams. The expansion I think is
going to be great for a conference like the Big Twelve. I think I
think you're gonna be be locked into that one team and then when you get
that opportunity to have a team that makes it through that gauntlet like you you
listed for Oklahoma State. If you make it through that and you have one
loss, then you'll be in. So I think that's gonna be the fun
part. Well, plug away before we go. What you got going on
with the only shoot radio networks podcasts all that stuff? Where can Bible follow
along? Yeah? Absolutely so. So our podcast is called The Old Poke
Show. It's on the OSU Max network, It's on all it's on YouTube
through the ISSU Max system. It's on anywhere you get your podcasts, so
check us out. It's mainly it's primarily Oklahoma state stuff, but we do
have on. We try to get a guest on from another school, whether
it's a reporter or beat writer, to give give people a breakdown of the
team that we're about to play. So yeah, if you wouldn't mind give
us a listen, check us out. We we try to bring some big
content each week, awesome stuff. Clint appreciate. Time is always my friend.
Will catch up soon. Let's get some more barbecue and t Town or
something soon. Man. Yeah, man, sounds good. I appreciate it.
Thanks for having me on.