1 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,600 And we're back with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, 2 00:00:21,679 --> 00:00:27,399 senior Elections correspondent at The Federalist and your experienced Shirpa on today's Quest for 3 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:31,920 Knowledge. As always, you can email the show at radio at the Federalist 4 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:38,759 dot com, follow us on x at FDRLST, make sure to subscribe wherever 5 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:43,079 you download your podcast, and of course to the premium version of our website 6 00:00:43,119 --> 00:00:49,799 as well. I'm joined today by Andrew McCoy mac warner. Mac Warner serving 7 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:56,399 as West Virginia's Secretary of State since twenty seventeen. He's a West Point graduate 8 00:00:56,799 --> 00:01:00,520 and a veteran of the US Army JAG Corps. He needs all of that 9 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:06,799 experience to deal with the real trouble that he has been working on in his 10 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:14,040 championing of the fight for election integrity, and there are few across this country 11 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:21,519 in his position who do it anywhere near as well as he does. Mac. 12 00:01:21,599 --> 00:01:23,959 Thanks so much for joining us on today's edition of the Federalist Radio Alum. 13 00:01:25,359 --> 00:01:27,280 Hey, Matt, great to be with you, Thanks for inviting me. 14 00:01:29,239 --> 00:01:34,120 Let me start off right off the top and ask you this question, 15 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:40,840 because you've been dealing in this arena for such a long time. On a 16 00:01:40,879 --> 00:01:46,120 scale of one to ten, how concerned are you about the integrity of the 17 00:01:46,159 --> 00:01:55,840 November election ahead? Probably about eight? Some serious concerns. And the reason 18 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:01,840 is we just haven't done the cleanup and rectifying from the twenty twenty election that 19 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:07,319 needed to be done. A lot of problems were identified, and some states 20 00:02:07,359 --> 00:02:13,919 made some efforts, but it certainly hasn't caught on nationwide, especially in Congress. 21 00:02:14,319 --> 00:02:16,000 I think that's going to be part of our discussion today. An effort 22 00:02:16,039 --> 00:02:22,639 to do that is in progress, but the states needed to take this on 23 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:29,360 individually since the federal government was pretty much a logjam, and it just hasn't 24 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,800 been done. Why has there been so much resistance to cleaning up the voter 25 00:02:32,879 --> 00:02:37,080 rolls? I just wrote a piece for the Federalists this week, and you 26 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,240 can go to several states. I'm not picking on this one, but this 27 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:44,560 one in particular, the state of Nevada, a critical swing state in the 28 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:51,680 upcoming election, as if not the dirtiest among the dirtiest voter roles in this 29 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:58,199 country. And yet I note that Washaw County, Washaw County, which is 30 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:07,680 home to Reno and largest populated area in Nevada is absolutely resist any evidence, 31 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:13,800 and good evidence. I might add that they've got voters who have not only 32 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,919 moved out of state, they're registered in other states and voting in other states. 33 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,400 Why is there so much resistance to cleaning up the voter roles. Well, 34 00:03:23,439 --> 00:03:29,039 you're asking that question from the perspective of somebody who cares about election integrity, 35 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:36,159 cares about fairness and fundamental integrity in the system. And I would say 36 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,599 one side of the political spectrum, the Republicans and Conservatives care about that, 37 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,599 They care about the rule of law, they care about doing things properly. 38 00:03:44,639 --> 00:03:52,000 The Democrats, the progressives, it could be anything from not caring, from 39 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:57,520 understanding how that helps them and their cause helps them maintain power, and to 40 00:03:57,639 --> 00:04:00,879 them, so much of this as maintaining power, maintain any control. And 41 00:04:00,879 --> 00:04:03,199 then if you want to get down to it, it could be as much 42 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:10,360 as wanting fraud, wanting that to occur because that does, again help help 43 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,719 their side. So without the hard evidence to say in a particular case, 44 00:04:14,719 --> 00:04:16,399 say Nevad or whatever, I'm not going to go down that path and cast 45 00:04:16,439 --> 00:04:21,560 those stones, but it answers your question is why would somebody not be interested 46 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:27,319 in that it could be any of those, any of those factors. You've 47 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,839 made that a priority. I mean, you have taken West Virginia a long 48 00:04:30,879 --> 00:04:36,560 way. In fact, very early on in your tenure as Secretary of State 49 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:42,959 of West Virginia, that was a top priority. How difficult was it ultimately 50 00:04:43,639 --> 00:04:46,480 to clean out tens of thousands of names? It just simply should not have 51 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,560 been on that list. Well, that's the other factor, and that is 52 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,600 I don't want to say it's difficult, but it takes effort, it takes 53 00:04:54,759 --> 00:04:59,959 time and resources and basically the will to do it. And so I can't 54 00:05:00,079 --> 00:05:03,399 men to office with that will to do it. And I had assistance. 55 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:08,399 These were my fifty five county clerks, and for the most part, they 56 00:05:08,439 --> 00:05:13,000 wanted to clean up these voter rolls and they just needed the assistance. They 57 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,319 needed the data, they needed the information, and so we went to work 58 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:21,120 together and in a short order, well, since I've been in office, 59 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:25,800 we've taken off over four hundred thousand names, not tens of thousands, but 60 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,879 hundreds of thousands of names. I noticed that I'm saying names, I'm not 61 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,720 saying people. We took off names the people had died, they had moved 62 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:41,920 their duplicate registrations. So simply by paying attention and working together where I would 63 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,160 get them the information. I didn't take off one name. As the Secretary 64 00:05:45,199 --> 00:05:47,199 of State. I gave the information to the clerks, and they took those 65 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,519 names off. They're the ones who live in the counties. They know the 66 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:56,480 people, they get the obituaries and the local papers. They have that hands 67 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,000 on experience. I simply provided them information said, here's from the master death 68 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:04,240 the roles or felony convictions and so forth, here are people that basically should 69 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:09,279 be red flag. You got to look into that. And when they went 70 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,800 through their voter registration lists and saw those names, they then were able to 71 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,079 take those off. And so a small state Clake West Virginia, we only 72 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,240 have one point one million registered voters, we were able to take off over 73 00:06:20,319 --> 00:06:29,560 four hundred thousand names. It's just an incredible bloating of the roles that needed 74 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,279 to be cleaned up. And now at the same time we've put on about 75 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:36,360 three hundred thousand new names, so there wasn't a huge differential in between. 76 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,560 You know, it was like four hundred thousand and came off on one day, 77 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,439 and we went from one hundred one point one million to seven hundred thousand 78 00:06:43,519 --> 00:06:48,240 voters. This occurred over time and so they almost stayed balanced. But we 79 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:53,399 did reduce the numbers fair amount. And what that does and not only cleans 80 00:06:53,439 --> 00:06:58,360 up the roles and reduces the opportunities for fraud, but it also gives you 81 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,480 a more accurate turnout. If you have those bloated rolls, then it looks 82 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,519 like you have a low turnout and everybody complains about, oh, nobody cares 83 00:07:05,079 --> 00:07:12,199 and whatnot. Well, in reality, our participation was much better than before. 84 00:07:12,439 --> 00:07:15,000 In fact, in the twenty twenty election, we had the second highest 85 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:24,680 voter turnout in the history of the state. And so nothing good comes from 86 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:30,800 a bloated voter role. I think think of a voter going into vote and 87 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:34,120 the poll worker has to go through pages and pages and pages of names that 88 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:40,920 people have died or duplicate names and that sort of thing. So plus you 89 00:07:40,959 --> 00:07:44,519 have to account for ballots. If you're doing paper ballots, you have to 90 00:07:44,519 --> 00:07:47,600 have ballots for all those people. So again, nothing good comes from a 91 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,519 bloated role, and that's why we cleaned it up and it's been very well 92 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:55,279 received throughout the state of West Virginia and you proved it could be done. 93 00:07:55,439 --> 00:08:01,839 I mean, that's I think the powerful message that West Virginia said. If 94 00:08:01,879 --> 00:08:05,959 you have a secretary of state who's committed to cleaning up the roles, and 95 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:11,439 you have clerks as well, that's very, very important. As we just 96 00:08:11,519 --> 00:08:16,199 noted in Nevada, you don't always have that, even if you would in 97 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,000 Nevada, they don't have a secretary of state who's committed to cleaning up the 98 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,879 voter rules. But you prove that it can be done. What do you 99 00:08:22,959 --> 00:08:28,160 say? And I think you've just discussed it, you've just noted it. 100 00:08:28,639 --> 00:08:33,240 But you took a lot of heat, obviously, as anybody, any election 101 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:41,279 integrity devoted secretary of state or elections official takes heat for as the left in 102 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:46,799 particular likes to call it, and the accomplice media, purging the voter rules. 103 00:08:46,879 --> 00:08:52,240 That's the term that they use, that somehow there's going to be someone 104 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:58,080 on there that should not have been removed and they're going to be disenfranchised from 105 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:03,440 voting. How do you answer those critics point to four hundred thousand names we've 106 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:09,480 taken off and not one lawsuit, not one complaint, not one problem to 107 00:09:09,519 --> 00:09:15,679 all that hype about and I've had to correct every interviewer who uses the term 108 00:09:15,759 --> 00:09:20,519 purge. You know, we clean the roles. The purge has that connotation 109 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:26,639 of taking somebody off inappropriately, and that just never occurred. Yes, indeed, 110 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:31,000 and other issues that are tied into that are people who should not be 111 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:39,480 on there to begin with, because they're not eligible, because they're not residents 112 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:45,120 of this country. We talk about on today's edition the Save Act in Congress, 113 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:52,120 also known as the Safeguard American Voter Eligibility Act, it is legislation to 114 00:09:52,240 --> 00:10:01,440 compel proof of citizenship for voters, which is a requirement as it's but yet 115 00:10:01,519 --> 00:10:07,679 you have it seems to me every Democrat in the House, the Biden administration, 116 00:10:07,879 --> 00:10:13,080 the President of the United States fighting against this basic voter integrity measure. 117 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,000 What do you make of all of that? Mac Well, that gets back 118 00:10:16,039 --> 00:10:18,120 to the comment that I had at the very start of this the reasons why 119 00:10:18,799 --> 00:10:26,919 somebody either supports it or doesn't support it. They clearly think that this the 120 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,120 opposition to it, that you don't have to show citizenship, don't have to 121 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:35,919 show proof of citizenship, is going to help them, and so that is 122 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:41,919 why that they're opposing it. Do they want fraud? I don't know. 123 00:10:43,039 --> 00:10:45,919 Yeah, I can't go as quite as far as to say that, but 124 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:54,039 I can say that they think that these millions of illegal you know, aliens 125 00:10:54,039 --> 00:10:58,960 that have come across the border it could possibly vote and that would help They 126 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:05,200 think that would help their side. And so it's just a conundrum here that 127 00:11:07,159 --> 00:11:13,840 Republicans Conservatives fighting for integrity and the other side not wanting that process to be 128 00:11:13,919 --> 00:11:18,360 cleaned up. And so just for the listeners, if they're not tuned into 129 00:11:18,399 --> 00:11:24,480 it, what it is, this act requires that they show proof of citizenship. 130 00:11:24,279 --> 00:11:28,279 And right now, what the other side, that left is saying, 131 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:37,000 is it's illegal for a non citizen to vote already, Well, there is 132 00:11:37,039 --> 00:11:46,679 no enforcement mechanism. If a non citizen goes and registers then and their vote 133 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,360 gets into the system, you can't go in and pull it out, you 134 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,840 know, with an anonymous ballot, you can't go in and pull it out 135 00:11:52,879 --> 00:12:00,559 afterwards. And so the remedy there's no remedy either in many cases is against 136 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,639 them because they can oftentimes say, well, I just checked the block. 137 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,919 I didn't know what I was checking. At D and B, the Department 138 00:12:05,919 --> 00:12:13,919 of Motor vehicles or I wasn't aware that I couldn't vote, and prosecutors are 139 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:20,440 very reluctant to prosecute those situations. And the left always says, well, 140 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,279 there's not enough of that to change the outcome of election. And my response 141 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:30,960 is always, is one vote illegal vote enough? Is it ten? Is 142 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:35,120 it one hundred? You know, what's the criteria where you have I say 143 00:12:35,159 --> 00:12:41,320 that not even one vote illegal vote is appropriate. So that's why we need 144 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:45,000 the Save Act. And the Save Act requires that you show proof of citizenship 145 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:50,039 and it has a remedy for the person who registers someone who is not a 146 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,559 citizen. And that's the real key to this is we have to get to 147 00:12:54,159 --> 00:12:58,559 a remedy to make the people who are registering folks accountable for their actions. 148 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,440 And that's what Save Act does. That's why it's so important and it should 149 00:13:03,519 --> 00:13:07,919 be passed. That's a big part of it, MAC And that's what I 150 00:13:07,919 --> 00:13:13,240 don't think the general public fully understands here. And of course the general public 151 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:18,360 doesn't fully understand here because again I point to the accomplished media which is running 152 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,600 interference for the Democrats message on this front. Well, we already have this. 153 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,480 What we have right now is the honor system. We have the honor 154 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:37,600 system that says, as you check that box, you are saying on penalty 155 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:41,320 of some potential prosecution. As you mentioned, it is very unlikely that the 156 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:46,960 individual is going to be prosecuted because it's difficult to track and prosecutors just simply 157 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:50,840 have said on multiple occasions they don't have the time because they're dealing with the 158 00:13:50,879 --> 00:14:00,600 other issues that illegal immigration has brought to this country in waves time. Issues, 159 00:14:00,639 --> 00:14:05,480 the federal issues, those sorts of prosecutions, so election fraud, election 160 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:11,080 integrity issues are anything but top priority for most prosecutors in this country. But 161 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:18,960 that said, we also have something called Biden Bucks, which is the federal 162 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:26,000 government under an executive order signed by President Joe Biden in March of twenty twenty 163 00:14:26,039 --> 00:14:33,120 one, just as he came into office that basically uses all of the federal 164 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:41,440 agencies to operate get out the vote voter registration targeting of course left leaning voters. 165 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:48,679 So now you couple that with no enforcement measure at present when it comes 166 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:56,559 to illegal immigrants illegally voting, and you've opened up a huge can of worms, 167 00:14:56,639 --> 00:15:00,519 have you not? You have, and that's exactly why you did it 168 00:15:00,559 --> 00:15:03,600 is, that is a means of using your federal tax dollars, all of 169 00:15:03,639 --> 00:15:07,559 our federal tax dollars, as they get out the vote effort for the Democrat 170 00:15:07,679 --> 00:15:18,120 Party. It's using six hundred federal agencies as registration centers for people who use 171 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,960 their services. And typically, so take the example if we've now had anywhere 172 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:26,120 from nine to twelve million illegal immigrants come across the border. Now if you 173 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:35,960 have DHS and HUD and all the different federal agencies handing these people voter registrations 174 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,200 and they start registering, and they look up on the wall and there's President 175 00:15:39,279 --> 00:15:43,919 Biden's picture there on the wall, and they're explained that this is the party 176 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:48,000 that's allowing you to come across an open border, and so forth. Who 177 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,879 do you think they're going to register for? Well, that's exactly why they're 178 00:15:50,879 --> 00:15:54,480 doing it, and it's exactly why within we objected to this as soon as 179 00:15:54,480 --> 00:16:00,440 he put out that executive order and it's one for zero one nine, And 180 00:16:00,519 --> 00:16:04,519 after they refuse to respond to us for a year, I sent them a 181 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,440 letter and I think we had fifteen other Secretaries of States who signed on to 182 00:16:08,559 --> 00:16:11,720 it, objecting to it, saying you need to resend this. This is 183 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:15,960 not constitutional. And the reason I say that is because Article one, section 184 00:16:17,039 --> 00:16:22,200 four of the US Constitution, it's known as the Election Calls, specifically says 185 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,639 the time, manner, and place of elections shall be left to state legislatures. 186 00:16:27,279 --> 00:16:30,679 And it's not to state governors, not to state secretaries of state, 187 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:36,799 not to the federal government, not to Congress. The way that an election 188 00:16:36,919 --> 00:16:40,159 is to be run is to be left to the state legislature. And so 189 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:44,120 we have fifty states and they can each come up with their own way of 190 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:48,080 describing who should register, how they should register, when they should register, 191 00:16:48,679 --> 00:16:52,480 how you vote, where the voting locations are, and that sort of thing 192 00:16:52,519 --> 00:16:56,279 that's to be left to the state legislator. That's how our whole federalist system 193 00:16:56,399 --> 00:17:02,399 was designed. Is the states have these powers and right to run their own 194 00:17:02,799 --> 00:17:06,640 elections, and that's in the US Constitution. So when Biden comes in at 195 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:11,279 his administration and says we're going to make these federal agencies murder registration centers, 196 00:17:11,799 --> 00:17:15,119 I say, I maintain that that is against the US Constitution and that we 197 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:19,720 should not be accepting registrations that come in that are not approved by our state 198 00:17:19,799 --> 00:17:26,119 legislature. West Virginia Secretary of State Mac Warner joining us on this edition of 199 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:30,519 the Federalist Radio Hour. How is that going for you on the Biden buck 200 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:36,640 side of things. I know you and I know members of Congress. I 201 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:45,519 know government watchdogs have tried and tried to get this administration to either rescind the 202 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,920 order, turnover documents, explain what they're doing. They've refused at every turn. 203 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:56,960 Have you heard back yet from the administration about your demand that they how 204 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:02,160 they follow the Constitution? Now? What do you think? Of course, 205 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,240 they've ignored us, they had completely. I had a feeling, Mac, 206 00:18:04,319 --> 00:18:08,799 I had a feeling covering this issue as I have. Yes, they're going 207 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,680 to ignore us as long as they possibly can. And that's why you need 208 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:17,759 people in Congress like that they're doing with the Save Act. Is they've got 209 00:18:17,799 --> 00:18:22,559 to implement these things from the Congress. Or the other way is to go 210 00:18:22,599 --> 00:18:26,279 to the courts, try to get this in front of the Supreme Court at 211 00:18:26,319 --> 00:18:33,680 some point and say that it's unconstitutional. I think there's some cases making their 212 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,799 way up the court system. There are, But will it be too late? 213 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,640 Yeah, for the twenty twenty four I said, sure, it's going 214 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:48,200 to be too late. Yeah, we have a Supreme Court case that's depending 215 00:18:48,279 --> 00:18:53,240 before the Supreme Court. It was actually submitted in this last session. The 216 00:18:53,279 --> 00:18:59,920 Supreme Court laid in the session said it would take up that case comes back, 217 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,839 you know, in late September. How far along are we at that 218 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,680 point. How much of an impact has this executive order made on the outcome 219 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,759 of the election by that point, especially with early voting across the country. 220 00:19:11,799 --> 00:19:17,799 Exactly, that's the concern. In fact, we wrote an amicus and had 221 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,720 maybe eight or nine other states that joined in on it in support to that 222 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:27,279 case, to say, what we're asking for is the US Supreme Court to 223 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:32,920 get to the merits of it. So many times they find the lack of 224 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:37,960 standing or latches or some other legal technicality to not address the issue itself. 225 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:42,960 And what our amicus does is it asks for get to the merits, and 226 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:48,799 the merits are this is supposed to be left to state legislators and the administration 227 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:53,200 just coming out with a blanket all federal agencies are going to be voter registration 228 00:19:53,279 --> 00:19:59,960 centers is unconstitutional. That's what we're looking for, and we're hopeful that they'll 229 00:20:00,039 --> 00:20:03,480 take it up in September. But like you said at that point, the 230 00:20:03,559 --> 00:20:07,680 damage is probably been done. We're talking about the perfect storm here. I 231 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:15,359 mean, we're talking about illegal immigrants potentially voting in this election. We're talking 232 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:21,400 about dirty voter rolls. We're talking about Biden Bucks, the federal order to 233 00:20:21,519 --> 00:20:26,039 get out the vote, order to re elect Joe Biden. I don't know 234 00:20:26,039 --> 00:20:30,480 how you look at it any other way in terms of what we know what 235 00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:36,319 they're doing with federal agencies. And speaking of federal agencies, something you and 236 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:44,359 I have talked about. You've talked about publicly your concern about federal agencies the 237 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:51,359 ABC organizations. One in particular I can think of is Homeland Securities, Cybersecurity, 238 00:20:51,559 --> 00:20:59,039 and Infrastructure Security Agency, also known as SISA, and they're clear as 239 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:07,200 you have noted interference in previous elections. Let's talk a little bit about where 240 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,240 we've been with these agencies and where you think all of that might be going 241 00:21:11,279 --> 00:21:17,000 in this election cycle. Well, my biggest concern, and I think this 242 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:22,160 is really one that reaches the worst that has ever happened in the United States 243 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,200 of America, and that was when Tony Blincoln, who is now our current 244 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,519 US Secretary of State, was on the Biden campaign back before the twenty twenty 245 00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:34,839 election, and he came up with this idea to discredit the Hunter Biden laptop 246 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:40,720 story and labeled his Russian disinformation, and he passed that to Mike Morrell, 247 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:45,359 the acting director at the CIA, and then they ran with it and got 248 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:51,559 these fifty one so called intelligence experts, many of them being formal former CIA 249 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:57,000 directors. I mean we're talking Clapper and Brennan and some of those folks, 250 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:06,160 and they all signed on to this had the the emphasis of the CIA, 251 00:22:07,839 --> 00:22:12,319 and they said that the Hunter Biden laptop was not had been debunked, what 252 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:17,279 had and they knew that, and they later admitted that. Mike Morrell admitted 253 00:22:17,279 --> 00:22:21,960 that under oath in front of Jim Jordan's Congressman Jim Jordan's House Judiciary Committee, 254 00:22:22,279 --> 00:22:26,799 said that they did this for the express purpose of helping Biden and to defeat 255 00:22:26,839 --> 00:22:32,000 Trump. So it was for very political reasons and outcomes, and they were 256 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:36,319 successful, and they did it. They did this right before the twenty twenty 257 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,200 election. Biden used it in his last debate against Trump right before that election, 258 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,920 and Trump didn't have time to get to the facts, get to the 259 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,720 bottom of it, and so that's what the American voter went to the polls 260 00:22:45,759 --> 00:22:51,559 with thinking that this was a Russian disinformation campaign, and really what it was 261 00:22:51,559 --> 00:22:56,960 was a Democrat lie to the American people using the CIA former CIA operatives officers, 262 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,359 and they got away with it. They pulled a psyche logical operation off 263 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:06,240 against the United States of America, and it directly impacted the outcome of that 264 00:23:06,319 --> 00:23:10,160 election. And so if they are able to do that get away with it, 265 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,039 and they did, and we haven't done anything to clean that up, 266 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,680 what's to keep them from doing that again? And so it then gets worse. 267 00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:22,559 They then went to the FBI, and the FBI went to Zuckerberg at 268 00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:26,400 Facebook and said, suppress this story. It's a you know, the hundred 269 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,759 byteen laptop is not real. It's rushing disinformation. And Zuckerberg complied with that. 270 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:37,519 And so you've got this cabal. There's a group of just bad actors 271 00:23:37,839 --> 00:23:42,319 right at the top in the middle of this now that Biden administration. And 272 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,880 they got away with it once. That's why I said, I'm as concerned, 273 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,960 you know, at an eight or nine level with the security of this 274 00:23:49,039 --> 00:23:52,519 next election. If they got away with it once, what's going to keep 275 00:23:52,519 --> 00:23:56,640 them from doing it again since we haven't taken the correct the measure as we 276 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,480 needed to in the intervening years. You tried to recently, I know you 277 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:07,680 followed the US Supreme Court decisions on this front, and because of standing, 278 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:15,519 apparently in one critical case brought originally by Missouri and some other plaintiffs, you 279 00:24:15,559 --> 00:24:19,960 know, we have a Supreme Court ruling that says, well, there's not 280 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:26,160 standing here for these plaintiffs to take on the case when they were clearly suppressed 281 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,720 in their information trying to get out critical information, including election information, as 282 00:24:30,759 --> 00:24:37,640 you just mentioned in twenty twenty and then following up of course in the intervening 283 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:48,200 years, and my colleague Sean Fleetwood has reported that this federal agency is back 284 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,200 at it again and looks like they're working with other federal agencies to do what 285 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,559 they did before. So how much of a role do you think that will 286 00:24:55,640 --> 00:25:00,640 ultimately play in the twenty twenty four election. Well, this is also fascinating 287 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:07,400 because some of these very fundamental characteristics of American society and freedom are at play 288 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:14,519 here. The case you mentioned Missouri and Louisiana taking on Facebook, saying that 289 00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:18,880 when the FBI went to Facebook and told them to suppress it. Okay, 290 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,920 now we're getting into freedom of speech. The government's not supposed to be able 291 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,160 to do, you know, suppress speech. They can't form any law that 292 00:25:26,319 --> 00:25:30,119 suppresses speech. But what the federal government did they went to the FBI or 293 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:37,319 the FBI went to Facebook and had this social media company suppressed freedom of speech. 294 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,359 You know, this was talking about the election. When people would put 295 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,799 on Facebook posts that the election was still wonder they argued against the COVID shots, 296 00:25:45,799 --> 00:25:48,960 that sort of thing. Facebook took that down, and the particularly in 297 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:53,799 this case with the hundred Biden laptop story, and when they would suppress that 298 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,880 the candidates or the people are making those posts that my freedom of speech has 299 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:04,960 been abridged. It's been abridged by the FBI coercing the Facebook to take these 300 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,920 down. The Supreme Court held that in a six to three decision, said 301 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:18,279 that they hadn't shown harm, that they hadn't shown these plaintiffs hadn't shown specific 302 00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:22,160 harm to themselves. Because of this, it was kind of a nuanced thing. 303 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,039 I of course went with it. Centers thought that they had the better 304 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:32,359 argument that said, this is the worst kind of government interference and government suppression 305 00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:37,920 of freedom of speech when they're using social media. So this all now gets 306 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,839 back to the two thirty protection Section two thirty protection. What are these social 307 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,359 media platforms? Of the simply platform and you can put anything on it. 308 00:26:47,079 --> 00:26:52,440 But what they're getting right now is the enjoyment of not being sued for stuff 309 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,400 that they might go on. But then they can make their choices to what 310 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,839 they want to pull off, and of course they are more favorable towards the 311 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,880 Democrats, the liberals, the progressive side of things, so they'll pull off 312 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:07,799 the conservative like Twitter took Trump off of their platform, but they let others 313 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,319 stay on. So we've got to get to the bottom of this at some 314 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,319 point and resolve this issue. We don't want our phone companies cutting off our 315 00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:18,720 phone service because we're having a phone conversation like you and I are having right 316 00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:22,440 now, and they say, well, we don't like the content, they're 317 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,599 going to shut you off. We can't have that with social media. So 318 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:33,160 it's a fascinating era that we're in right now. This is this generation's problem 319 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:38,200 to solve, just like we had to solve back years ago the FCC and 320 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,960 what you can put on TV and what responsibilities newspapers have and so forth. 321 00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:45,359 We now have to resolve that in this day and age of social media, 322 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:49,799 artificial intelligence, and all of the great things that we have in this digital 323 00:27:49,839 --> 00:27:55,039 age, Man, it can't be just one sided, favor one side not 324 00:27:55,119 --> 00:28:00,920 the other, especially when it comes to elections fascinating and troubling age to say 325 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:06,039 the very least. Do you think people are waking up though to what this 326 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:11,559 administration, the Biden administration, has done to the Constitution, has done to 327 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,480 the idea of reality and truth. And I ask you that in context of 328 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,680 what we've seen over the past couple of weeks. You know, it was 329 00:28:18,759 --> 00:28:27,400 a week before Joe Biden's disastrous debate that fifty million people witnessed in some form 330 00:28:27,519 --> 00:28:33,240 or another. It was a week before that that the Associated Press and the 331 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,319 usual suspects in the accomplice media were telling us that Joe Biden did not freeze 332 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:45,240 up on a fundraising stage before the Hollywood glitterati glitterati, that he did not 333 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:52,200 have to be assisted off the stage by his former boss, former President Barack 334 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,480 Obama. And they told us not to believe our lying eyes, so to 335 00:28:56,519 --> 00:28:59,920 speak, not to believe what we all witnessed, and then we win. 336 00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:04,079 And that's what we did in the debate. You know, a very cognitively 337 00:29:04,279 --> 00:29:11,359 challenged elderly man who is struggling with his capacities, to put it nicely, 338 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:18,039 do you think that there are at least some American voters who are now saying, 339 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,720 hey, if they were telling us this about Joe Biden, maybe the 340 00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:27,279 other stuff that guys like Mac Warner have been warning us out for a long 341 00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:33,759 time, maybe that's true too. Some are, but not enough. And 342 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,319 it is in this world of you know, hyper or you know, very 343 00:29:37,599 --> 00:29:44,279 divided politics that I think people either tune it out or turn it off. 344 00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:48,119 And it takes something like this debate that was in front of all of America 345 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,279 for this to finally come around and start to say, well, maybe he's 346 00:29:53,319 --> 00:30:00,160 not all there. And as we talked back on the executive order, several 347 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,079 of us were arguing about this three years ago and it's just now coming around 348 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,839 where we're trying to put into legislation to fix it. We're way too slow 349 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:14,200 to react. These elections come the presidential every four years, congressional elections every 350 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,440 two years, and we need to be more nimble. We need to respond 351 00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:22,559 and fix these things. I'll give you one example. In Wisconsin, there 352 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:26,200 were the problems with the drop boxes. There were also probably Georgia and other 353 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,680 states with drop boxes. Wisconsin was one state that did try to effect to 354 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,559 do something about that after the twenty twenty election, and initially they came out 355 00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:38,359 and said, those drop boxes are wrong. It's not been prescribed by the 356 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:44,519 legislature, So you will no longer use drop boxes in Wisconsin until the legislature 357 00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:48,640 specifically says that you're allowed to do so. Well, in that intervening time 358 00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:52,400 frame, there was a change at the Supreme Court an election, and they 359 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,960 with they went from three to two Republic into three to two Democrat, and 360 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,680 now with the Democrats in control, the Supreme Court went back the other way 361 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,960 and said, no, you can still use drop boxes. And so now 362 00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:07,240 in this upcoming election they will still be using drop boxes. And the problem 363 00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:12,240 with the drop boxes is in many cases unsupervised and you can just drop off 364 00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:17,960 as many of these ballots that have been harvested as you want. In Georgia, 365 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:19,759 the law had said that, you know, you can only drop off 366 00:31:19,799 --> 00:31:23,880 those for your immediate family members. But their videos of people dropping off hundreds 367 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,680 of ballots in these drop boxes, and once they're into that drop box, 368 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:33,279 how do you separate an improper ballot from a proper ballot? You know you 369 00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:38,119 can't do so and so again Wisconsin trying to do the right thing, and 370 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,720 then it's gone back the other way when the politics changed. And that's not 371 00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:45,480 the way our court system is designed. You're supposed to interpret the law regardless 372 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,680 of the politics. But obviously that's not the case. So that's why I'm 373 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:55,960 still worried about the upcoming election. The corrections haven't been made and we're still 374 00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,960 playing politics with lawfare, people taking things into core to get their way rather 375 00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:06,960 than abouting about the laws of the state in the US Constitution. Oh, 376 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,680 you are absolutely right. And the Wisconsin issue, I just wrote a piece 377 00:32:10,759 --> 00:32:15,880 on that at the Federalist about you get what you pay for, and in 378 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:22,000 this case in Wisconsin, unfortunately, the people of Wisconsin got what the left 379 00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:29,240 paid for. The most expensive Supreme Court judicial race in the history of this 380 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:35,359 country, tens of millions of dollars somewhere in the neighborhood of fifty million dollars 381 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,160 in that race, much of it coming from outside money, outside interest to 382 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,839 elect a liberal to that court, and now you have a four to three 383 00:32:43,839 --> 00:32:50,640 majority and the court absolutely ignores what is clear in state statute. As you 384 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:55,759 mentioned, you cannot have these unmanned dropped boxes. And the previous Supreme Court 385 00:32:57,359 --> 00:33:04,640 four to three conservative majority twenty twenty two said you can do this if you 386 00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:07,200 change the law. But the law is very clear on this. Well, 387 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:15,640 the law really absolutely does not matter, it seems for the left wing agenda 388 00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:21,039 in this country. Back to the Save Act, let me ask you this. 389 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,960 We know how important it is to make sure there's an enforcement mechanism to 390 00:33:27,079 --> 00:33:31,920 make sure that people who shouldn't be voting aren't voting, because that dilutes the 391 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:37,880 vote of every legitimate voter, eligible voter out there. It's an absolute assault 392 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:43,880 on election integrity. And we have illegal immigrants voting in elections. That's an 393 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:52,039 absolute assault on election integrity. But is this an exercise in futility? The 394 00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:57,000 House may pass this on Monday, it may have the votes to do that, 395 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,880 but obviously it's going to be stopped at the Democrat controlled Senate, and 396 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:07,319 we know that even by some strange force it passes there, Joe Biden's never 397 00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:13,719 going to sign it. Well, it is an exers futility on the initial 398 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:19,360 look. However, the effort needs to be made for the purpose of election 399 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,880 integrity, and then we're positioned to bring it back up once we elect Trump 400 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:29,280 president and the Republican Senate, and hopefully maintain the Republican House, so we're 401 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,280 positioned to then move ahead. The other thing is this puts people on record 402 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,840 still where they stand on election integrity, and that's why it's important to go 403 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,800 ahead and move forward with it. So I'm pleased that they are proceeding with 404 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,440 it because it's exactly what you and I have been talking about. We need 405 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:50,360 to make these corrections when we identify the problems with our election system. This 406 00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:53,280 is clearly one that has been identified, and we need to put people on 407 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:59,679 record as to whether they're for election integrity or for fraudulent elections. Final question 408 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,679 for you, and I very much appreciate the generosity of your time, particularly 409 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:08,440 knowing you're traveling and you're very busy these days, but you didn't run for 410 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,880 Secretary of State. Again, you did throw your hat in the ring to 411 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,880 run for governor of West Virginia. That didn't work out the way you wanted 412 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:22,599 to obviously in the primary, So the question is what's next for election integrity 413 00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:27,760 warrior Mac Horner. Well, part of the reason for running for governor was 414 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,760 to be able to implement, i would say, on a faster timeline, 415 00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:36,199 some of the election reforms that still need to be done here in the state 416 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:37,800 of West Virginia. And as governor, I could have pushed that with a 417 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:46,199 much more bigger bully pulpit than as Secretary of State. So I'm not going 418 00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:50,639 anywhere. I'm not being put out the pastor Yet there's a future for me 419 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,840 with any number of hopefully in this new administration, both either at the state 420 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,599 or the national So the fight is going to continue. Interestingly, my brother 421 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,639 ran for Secretary State and he did get the Republican nomination, so we'll see 422 00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:12,679 whether he will be successful in that endeavor. So the fight will continue, 423 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,880 and we continue, we will properly continue to lead here in West Virginia in 424 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:22,280 that effort because we have had this checkered passed in West Virginia of election fraud 425 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,639 and irregularities, and that's what propelled me to run for the office in the 426 00:36:25,679 --> 00:36:30,360 first place, was to clean that up. And now that much of that 427 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:37,239 cleanup has been done, people in West Virginia enjoy this free, fair elections. 428 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,960 They know their vote is going to be counted and only legitimate votes are 429 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,800 going to be counted. And so you see that we've turned from a deep 430 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:52,239 blue state to deep red state, probably faster than any other states in the 431 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:58,840 nation's history. We are extremely conservative, and I think we finally aligned the 432 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:05,400 West Virginia politics with our conservative values are biblical foundations and so on, and 433 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,079 so I think we're firing on all cylinders now in West Virginia and some I'm 434 00:37:08,159 --> 00:37:14,440 excited to have been a part of that, and we'll look forward to continuing 435 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,199 to do so in some role in the future. The one thing I would 436 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:24,400 like to just mention a term that has I guess categorized a lot of this 437 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,719 election irregularities is votes outside of the law. And that is different than an 438 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:37,760 illegal vote or an improper vote. I think it's an improper vote. So 439 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:43,320 if the state legislature hasn't said specifically this is how you are to be registered, 440 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,400 this is how you are to run elections, this is how votes are 441 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:50,800 to be counted, then any vote outside of that should not be counted and 442 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,440 there should be a remedy. So a quick example or two back to the 443 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:59,280 Georgia drop boxes, where somebody who's dropping off hundreds of them. The ballots 444 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,039 themselves might have invalid, but the process by which they got into the system 445 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:07,719 wasn't valid, and the fact that they can't be verified is a problem. 446 00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:14,199 And so we have to have both an approach to was the balot valid and 447 00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:19,079 if it wasn't, not only the person who cast it, but the person 448 00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:22,000 who let that come into the system, whether it's the county clerk or the 449 00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:25,800 person who is administering improperly the drop boxes, that sort of thing, you 450 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:30,119 have to have a remedy. So this brings it back to the Save Act, 451 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,840 and that is and that's why I'm so pleased that Congress is proceeding with 452 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,159 it, because they're trying to attack that problem of a vote that is cast 453 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:44,960 outside of the law. Clearly, an illegal alien casting a ballot because they 454 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:50,159 were able to do so through the DMV motor voter process. But it's not 455 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,960 just that person who casts the ballot, but the person who lets that ballot 456 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,920 come into the system needs to be held accountable. And now the question becomes, 457 00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:00,840 what is the proper remedy. Is a civil case, is a criminal 458 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,639 case. What are we going to do to that clerk that allows that ballot 459 00:39:05,679 --> 00:39:09,840 to come in or that DMV person who allows the person to register improperly. 460 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:15,440 And that's why we want that proof of citizenship there, to save both the 461 00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:22,639 voter and the person who processes that vote from being put into a criminal or 462 00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:25,960 a civil matter. So all of this stuff is intertwined, and I know 463 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:34,760 it's difficult to follow sometimes that that term a vote outside the law catches a 464 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,239 lot of these. One other quick one is Michigan that accepted ballots without signatures 465 00:39:38,639 --> 00:39:43,400 or without proper addresses. Again, the person may have been eighteen, they 466 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,519 might have been a citizen, but if they didn't sign the ballot, and 467 00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:50,800 that's what the legislature has said has to be done, then it's a vote 468 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,239 outside the law. And so a secretary state that just says we're going to 469 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,880 accept them all, just count them all, that's improper. So that person 470 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,480 should be held accountable. Question is what is the proper remedy. Those are 471 00:40:01,519 --> 00:40:07,320 the challenges that we as conservatives and people who are interested in election integrity need 472 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,840 to address, need to take on. But it's hard to get there when 473 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:15,320 you have the other side that's fighting strenuously against it. Yeah, and therein 474 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:21,360 lies the problem is that we have very very little accountability for those who act 475 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:28,239 outside the law and those clearly breaking the law. And we could spend the 476 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:36,559 next hour talking about the myriad violations out there that certainly violated the intent of 477 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:43,559 the law in the name of you know whatever. In terms of an agenda, 478 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,480 I do know this. I know that you have a very bright future 479 00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:51,679 ahead of you. The past is a strong indicator of that, and I 480 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,320 hope that it still involves election integrity because, as I said at the outset 481 00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:00,679 of this conversation, there aren't many election integrity champions that measure up to Mac 482 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:07,199 Warner these days. I sure appreciate those actlades. I have enjoyed the job 483 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:13,360 immntally and it just kind of goes back to was on the Honor committee at 484 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:19,719 West Point, was involved in deciding a huge number of cases. But they're 485 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,360 The Cadet Code says that Cadet will not latcheater, steal or tolerate those who 486 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:28,599 do. And then toleration is such an important part of this whole election integrity. 487 00:41:29,199 --> 00:41:31,599 If you see something that's improper, you shouldn't tolerate it, you need 488 00:41:31,639 --> 00:41:36,519 to report it, and we need to find ways to address things that are 489 00:41:36,559 --> 00:41:40,039 not consistent with the rule of law, which is the US Constitution and the 490 00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:45,320 state laws that guide election integrity. Indeed, thanks to my guest today, 491 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:52,360 Mac Warner, Secretary of State for the great state of West Virginia, you've 492 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,760 been listening to another edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, 493 00:41:54,840 --> 00:42:00,400 senior correspondent at the Federalist. We'll be back soon with more. Well then, 494 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:06,280 stay lovers of freedom and anxious for the Fray