1 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:19,039 Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You're Wrong with Molly Hemingway and 2 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,359 David Harsan. If you'd like to email us, please do so at radio 3 00:00:22,359 --> 00:00:26,000 at the Federalist dot com. I should have said bonus episode, Molly, 4 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:31,640 this is a bonus episode. You are at the RNC in Milwaukee. How's 5 00:00:31,679 --> 00:00:34,560 it going over there? It's going great. And yeah, there's just like 6 00:00:34,679 --> 00:00:38,759 so much news happening every day that we're just doing a couple here this week 7 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:44,960 this podcast to deal with that reality that there's a lot of news. Yeah, 8 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,600 I've been in Milwaukee all week. It's been super interesting, very different 9 00:00:48,679 --> 00:00:56,600 vibe than a typical convention. People are very happy and just excited about what 10 00:00:56,679 --> 00:01:00,439 they think is going to happen in November. And it's been also, I 11 00:01:00,439 --> 00:01:03,560 think for a lot of people, like a difficult eight years. So these 12 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,040 are people who are Trump delegates. They suffered through a lot to be Trump 13 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:14,480 delegates previously, and now they're feeling vindicated. I think that their hard work 14 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,760 is paying off and that all the people who were so histrionic and hateful toward 15 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:26,719 them are being shown to be not great. Yeah, obviously, I think 16 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:34,040 it's a reflection of the Trumps or Donald Trump and his new political discipline. 17 00:01:34,159 --> 00:01:37,920 Would that'd be fair to say that the things are run very tightly? You 18 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,640 know, I don't know if I mentioned this yesterday, but just the very 19 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,599 fact that the VP selection wasn't leaked and that there wasn't you know, there's 20 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,680 not this infighting and all of that, I think just is a reflection of 21 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:53,879 just a better run campaign and all that. In fact, I actually this 22 00:01:53,959 --> 00:01:56,480 is a good segue to the speeches. I think the speech has proved that 23 00:01:56,519 --> 00:02:00,640 things are actually pretty well run. Right. Nikki Ali's speech, I think 24 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,439 it was smart to bring her on board. I know people don't love her, 25 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:09,240 but it was a unifying message for the party in some sense. I 26 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,960 don't know how much it changes things. What did you think of her speech? 27 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,240 So I was I actually got to hear it from inside the Pfiser Forum, 28 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:22,560 So it was my first night actually going into the forum to hear things, 29 00:02:23,039 --> 00:02:25,280 and it was really fun to be in there, including that shortly after 30 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,919 I arrived, President Trump arrived and it was you know, people were just 31 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,159 very excited to see him. The theme of the night, and Matt Kittle 32 00:02:34,199 --> 00:02:38,719 wrote about this, was that it was not just Nikki but like a ton 33 00:02:38,759 --> 00:02:44,360 of people that Donald Trump had sparred with or defeated in a primary who spoke. 34 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:50,159 So you had from this cycle, you had vivaq Ramaswami who was extremely 35 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,120 well reviewed or well received by the crowd, Nicki Haley, Rond de Santis, 36 00:02:54,439 --> 00:03:00,520 and then from twenty sixteen you had Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Ben 37 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:05,280 Carson. I am probably leaving people out and I apologize. So it was 38 00:03:05,319 --> 00:03:12,319 a bunch of people who have constituencies that represent the coalition that is the Republican 39 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,719 Party, and so it kind of all worked together really nicely. And in 40 00:03:15,759 --> 00:03:22,360 addition, you had Sarah Huckabee Sanders who was also extremely well received, and 41 00:03:22,479 --> 00:03:27,120 Laura Trump, and both of those women were really kind of humanizing or personalizing 42 00:03:27,159 --> 00:03:30,840 Donald Trump. But then of all the people, I actually think the crowd 43 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:37,759 liked the speeches from the normal Americans, the most people who'd lost their children 44 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:43,000 to violent crime caused by an open border or drug overdoses, you know, 45 00:03:43,639 --> 00:03:47,280 an open border helped contribute to stuff like that. That was very moving to 46 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:55,400 the crowd, who were like openly crying and struck by these stories. So 47 00:03:55,439 --> 00:04:00,280 the last convention in twenty twenty wasn't a normal one. Really, it was 48 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:05,439 kind of set pieces. It wasn't then't I wasn't there, but I'm not 49 00:04:05,759 --> 00:04:09,439 there with you now. But you know, it just seems like this is 50 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,879 more a normal convention in the sense of the crowd being, you know, 51 00:04:12,919 --> 00:04:16,120 there, and people sort of participating and all of that. And I just 52 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,839 want to say that twenty sixteen was the last real Republican convention before this, 53 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:25,439 which was a very tough one, right, there was a big division in 54 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:30,720 the party was that when Ted Cruz gave that much right, which I loved, 55 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,160 you know, I still think it was a good speech. So this 56 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:38,879 is a very different vibe than that, for sure, totally. So I 57 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,279 just for people who don't go to conventions. I've been to Republican and Democrat 58 00:04:43,399 --> 00:04:46,319 conventions. There is this thing that historically, I actually always thought that the 59 00:04:46,439 --> 00:04:53,120 Democrats put on better conventions. They were produced, they were like a TV 60 00:04:53,199 --> 00:04:57,560 show, The sets were amazing. The Republican ones would sometimes be like, 61 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:01,680 oh, this is not so great. So great example of this would be 62 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:10,839 the twenty two thousand and eight convention where Obama had those like columns set up 63 00:05:10,879 --> 00:05:14,480 and it was in Denver. Did you go to that one I did that 64 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,639 was outdoors. They had to move it outdoors because the crowd was so large 65 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,959 and people were so yeah, and it just seemed like everyone in Hollywood had 66 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:25,079 like put their work together to make it go well. And then from there 67 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:30,160 was that the year that it was Minneapolis with McCain. Yeah, it was. 68 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,360 It was actually a really interesting convention, solely because of Sarah Palin, 69 00:05:33,439 --> 00:05:39,720 who gave a really good speech. But the production itself just felt weird. 70 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,920 They were talking in front of a green screen frequently. It just felt I 71 00:05:43,959 --> 00:05:49,879 don't know. So twenty sixteen was an interesting convention, but yeah, it 72 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:56,800 had to do with the Ted Cruise Challenge and the Utah Delegation challenge and it 73 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,240 was very spicy. People were struck. Twenty twenty was a well produced convention. 74 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,240 There's just weren't people there, so it played very well on TV. 75 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,439 And I think this one seems like almost like it was done by the same 76 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,240 people. It just looks good and is well produced. Sorry, that was 77 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,519 too much. I think people would like to hear that. I mean, 78 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:20,639 you're there. Can we go through some of the speeches? So I can't 79 00:06:20,759 --> 00:06:25,319 stay. I don't care what anyone says I get it. I totally get 80 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,120 it. But I can't stand when people who are fighting each other in politics, 81 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:30,519 you know, fight each other really hard, and then one comes and 82 00:06:30,519 --> 00:06:33,040 bends the need of the other one. And that's what Nicki Haley did. 83 00:06:33,079 --> 00:06:35,879 In my view, at least now I get it. I just don't like 84 00:06:35,959 --> 00:06:40,800 it. But I thought overall the speech was very I think it hit a 85 00:06:40,879 --> 00:06:43,519 lot of the right note. So I was trying to be open minded about 86 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,120 it. Do you think that the crowd there thought that because I know, 87 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,000 she got some booze and she got some cheers, and oh, I was 88 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:53,480 actually wondering if people realized that there were some booze first of all, you 89 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,519 know, and I have been very public about my feelings about that woman. 90 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:03,160 I am not a fan of her foreign policy, basically, that's my issue. 91 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,600 I mean, there are other things I don't love. I thought her 92 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:12,759 speech was really well done. And I have no problem with people in a 93 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,519 political party working on the health of the political party. I mean, that's 94 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,360 maybe why I can't be a partisan, because I always have to say what 95 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:26,519 I think, and I just couldn't. It would just be very, very 96 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:33,399 difficult for me to not just be totally honest about how I feel. So 97 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,800 I have no problem with it, though when other people do it. You 98 00:07:36,839 --> 00:07:41,199 know, if Nicky Haley wants a future in the Republican Party, she had 99 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,279 to do that, and I think she did it pretty well. Do you 100 00:07:45,279 --> 00:07:50,279 think there's any chance she can be part of the administration? Like I doubt 101 00:07:50,319 --> 00:07:54,680 you'd go back to being a UN ambassador, But I just wonder if she 102 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,199 would get a cabinet position. It seems unlikely to me. I think it's 103 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:05,040 extremely unlikely, but I do think there we have we have learned that the 104 00:08:05,079 --> 00:08:09,639 sort of neo conservative or interventionist. I know you're sensitive to which words were 105 00:08:09,759 --> 00:08:15,399 used, but you know, people who believe in democracy, spreading wars whatever 106 00:08:15,399 --> 00:08:18,000 you want to call that group of people, I say hark and you don't 107 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,600 you give me a lecture every time, so you're you're pretty SI you give 108 00:08:20,639 --> 00:08:22,399 me a lecture when I say neocom So I'm just saying that word, that 109 00:08:22,439 --> 00:08:26,120 word I think has been abused, that's on doesn't have okay, really that 110 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,120 anyway meaning. But yeah, I hear what you're saying. I don't even 111 00:08:28,279 --> 00:08:30,279 I don't even care what we call it. But that group of people, 112 00:08:30,439 --> 00:08:35,679 they I do think they completely ran the Republican Party for about thirty years. 113 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,559 They have lost power. I think they have a decision to make about whether 114 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:45,879 they just go Democrat, because the weird thing is that Democrats have pretty openly 115 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:50,240 embraced that style of foreign policy. It's like a core part of their their 116 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:56,720 self image now, or if they want to try to keep fighting to control 117 00:08:56,759 --> 00:09:00,919 the Republican Party. I don't know how that's going to play out. But 118 00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:03,879 that is a that is a contingency, and it's a big part of you 119 00:09:03,879 --> 00:09:07,960 know, it's a big part of the media contingency, the donor contingency. 120 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,399 So that's a coalition. You got different groups. You got the Ben Carson 121 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:16,279 type, she got the you know, Ted Cruz type, she got the 122 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,399 Mark Ruby. Everyone's got their own thing. But it's it kind of seems 123 00:09:20,399 --> 00:09:24,480 like it's working as a coalition right now. Yeah, it's funny. Yeah, 124 00:09:24,919 --> 00:09:28,879 please, no, I'm sorry. I hate when I'm interrupting them. 125 00:09:28,399 --> 00:09:31,919 I did want to say she had a line in there. Did you hear 126 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:37,360 it when she said strong presidents prevent wars, not start them? Yeah, 127 00:09:37,399 --> 00:09:39,559 And I thought that must have hurt her to have to say. But I 128 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,039 don't know. I don't. I don't hate her as much as other people 129 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,600 or I don't, you know, I just think that's a Reaganism that's been 130 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,879 used for a very long time, you know, strength through uh what is 131 00:09:48,919 --> 00:09:52,840 it, strength through power? Whatever it is the terms. So it is 132 00:09:52,879 --> 00:09:56,759 funny to me, just as an aside that you mentioned how the Democrats are 133 00:09:56,759 --> 00:10:01,600 now essentially the party of neoconservative ideas basically or interventionism, and basically I think 134 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,120 a lot of that was just pushed by Donald Trump. It's just their sort 135 00:10:05,159 --> 00:10:11,320 of reflexive opposition to him, and the whole Russia thing is just completely, 136 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,519 in my view, politically tied to painting Donald Trump. You know, yes, 137 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:20,519 but I also think actually there's an honesty to it. So Wilsonian progressivism 138 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:26,519 and nation building, democracy, spreading foreign policy, they go together very very 139 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:31,440 well. It's the weird thing was that it became part of the Republican Party, 140 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,159 not that it's now in the Democrat Party. Does that make sense? 141 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,399 So if you look at the Republican Party, you have this stream of foreign 142 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:43,000 policy. You know, whether it's Eisenhower, even Nixon, Reagan, they 143 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,759 may have had elements of some of that progressivism, but by and large it 144 00:10:46,799 --> 00:10:56,200 was about a strong military not being used to do endless war without clear strategy 145 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,679 for success. So I think in a way, things are going back to 146 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:03,120 the way they probably should be. Republicans are going back to their foreign policy, 147 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,519 and Democrats are going back to their foreign There Will Sonyan foreign Will Sonyan 148 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,919 policies period. They just seem to like that guy. I think most presidents 149 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:18,840 are more interventionist than their campaigns, is what i'd say typically. So I 150 00:11:18,879 --> 00:11:22,360 would also say this yesterday you said something like I don't really care about form 151 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,039 possy and say it in a bad way, but you know that that's not 152 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,440 a major concern for me. I just want to revisit that just for a 153 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,360 second, because online after our debate, I had a lot of people calling 154 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:35,480 me a neocon. I'm not idiological about foreign policy. See, I just 155 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,679 think every situation is completely different. I don't think there's a It's not like 156 00:11:37,759 --> 00:11:41,440 economic policy or something, you know. So I like people who are more 157 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,799 cautious. So I'm not against the realist types, but sometimes I think they 158 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,720 go too far. Anyway, Sorry about vivec. If you're ready to move 159 00:11:48,759 --> 00:11:52,320 on, is that how you say it? Vivek Okay I like that you 160 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:58,480 just yeah, OKAYVC. He had a line that made me laugh out loud, 161 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,799 which is a rarity, and it was when he said that if you 162 00:12:01,799 --> 00:12:05,120 want to be a hippie and show stick it to the man, I'm like, 163 00:12:05,279 --> 00:12:07,519 wants he to grow up in the nineteen fifties. Why is he still 164 00:12:07,519 --> 00:12:11,600 talking about hippies? But anyway, I like what he has to say recently. 165 00:12:11,639 --> 00:12:15,679 I like what he said at nat CON. The thing is, I 166 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,679 don't trust that he believes what he's saying, and that is I think a 167 00:12:18,759 --> 00:12:22,480 problem that he has. Do you think he will be in the administration. 168 00:12:24,399 --> 00:12:28,200 I do. I think he is a part of the MAGA movement. And 169 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,759 was it yesterday we were talking about how I actually like his approach to the 170 00:12:31,759 --> 00:12:37,840 administrative state better than JD. Vance's on seeking to dismantle it rather than to 171 00:12:37,919 --> 00:12:43,720 co opt it. I wish he could be the bizarre or viceroy of taking 172 00:12:43,759 --> 00:12:52,200 on the administrative state. But I just also say, sometimes I hear people 173 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:58,480 complain about people having a message that other people like. You know, I 174 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,279 don't know if he really believes this to be saying what the people like. 175 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:05,840 It's kind of like just saying no, no, No, I hear it 176 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,559 all the time. I've been hearing it all the time from people in the 177 00:13:07,639 --> 00:13:11,840 last week. But that's sort of just being a political leader. I'm not 178 00:13:11,879 --> 00:13:18,159 saying you change what you believe to lead the crowd that's already there, but 179 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,480 understanding that this is a you need the leader, but you also need the 180 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,360 people, and you need to have like communication between those groups. It's not 181 00:13:26,399 --> 00:13:31,159 the end of the world. So there's a salesperson tenor to the way he 182 00:13:31,279 --> 00:13:35,000 speaks. I can't really put my finger on it. That makes him not 183 00:13:35,159 --> 00:13:37,679 seem very genuine to me. I know some people like him. I'm just 184 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,960 saying I think that's a problem for him, and I wonder if he's going 185 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:45,000 to run for Senate in Ohio or I mean, I don't know what his 186 00:13:45,039 --> 00:13:48,320 future is. I just wonder what his ceiling is. I guess yeah. 187 00:13:48,759 --> 00:13:52,720 One. Do you not feel that way about a lot of them, because 188 00:13:52,759 --> 00:13:56,000 I feel I wish there was a way to describe it. I just feel 189 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:03,039 when they're all talking that it's performative, which obviously it is, but there's 190 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:09,519 a lack of authenticity to a surprising percentage of these people. No, for 191 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,879 sure, but I think he is worse in some way. And that doesn't 192 00:14:13,879 --> 00:14:16,720 even mean that I think he's less authentic. It's just that maybe there's something 193 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,320 in the way that he presents himself. He's like the guy who puts on 194 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,320 the little mic and speaks at a ted talk and that to me is just 195 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:26,799 off putting, you know, one thing to speak against that have you met 196 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:33,720 him in person, non in person. So he is maybe the only politician 197 00:14:35,919 --> 00:14:41,559 who puts nothing off the record or on background. And I think that's important 198 00:14:41,639 --> 00:14:48,960 because we're talking about people who frequently, you know, just you and me. 199 00:14:50,039 --> 00:14:52,480 I can tell you what I'm doing here, and then here's my quote 200 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:58,320 for the record. But Vek is very What you see is what you get 201 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,679 with a surprising level of honesty. But I still feel that way, so 202 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,759 I still get what you're saying. And then also, I think we talked 203 00:15:05,799 --> 00:15:09,080 about this previously, but he kind of changes his job every few years. 204 00:15:11,799 --> 00:15:15,240 And I think he's really good at doing whatever it is he does, whether 205 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:22,960 it's you know, managing a biotech research fund or law school or you know, 206 00:15:22,159 --> 00:15:26,799 just he does really good stuff. But he seems to get bored fairly 207 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:33,240 quickly. Well anyway, oh, sorry, on the on the if you 208 00:15:33,279 --> 00:15:37,200 want to be a stick it to the man kind of thing. I do 209 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,519 think there is an element of that in this convention. And what I mean 210 00:15:39,559 --> 00:15:50,159 by that is people are realizing quite a bit that there is a rebellion, 211 00:15:50,639 --> 00:15:54,080 like a not a punk you know, if there's something kind of interesting and 212 00:15:54,120 --> 00:16:02,440 different about being willing to say that you support Donald Trump and that if you 213 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:07,360 are a really boring, cowardly person you don't do that. Does that make 214 00:16:07,399 --> 00:16:10,159 sense? Yeah, it actually makes a lot of sense to me. I've 215 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,919 actually made a similar argument, I do. I was just laughing that he's 216 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,679 talking about hippie's giving, you know, showing the man by sticking it to 217 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,159 the man, by getting married and getting degrees and paying taxes. Impleally agree 218 00:16:21,159 --> 00:16:23,879 with that sentiment. I just think the hippie thing is a little worn out. 219 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:29,799 But long time ago, I was at a conference actually with Candace Owens 220 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:34,960 talking and she was comparing yeah, before she went Nazi. Sorry, but 221 00:16:36,279 --> 00:16:40,080 anyway, she was talking about how it's kind of like the counter revolution of 222 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:44,639 the of the sixties, and to me, it is much more much more 223 00:16:44,679 --> 00:16:48,480 like the punk revolution of the mid seventies, where you're just like, you 224 00:16:48,519 --> 00:16:52,360 get a thrill in a way out of saying stuff that you weren't allowed to 225 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,000 say when you were sort of a normal conservative, you know what I mean. 226 00:16:55,279 --> 00:16:59,320 And sometimes I think that goes in bad directions where it's almost nihilistic or 227 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,840 not nihilates stick but just self destructive and doesn't have any real purpose. But 228 00:17:03,919 --> 00:17:07,599 there is something too, it's like burn it down, your zero stuff on 229 00:17:07,599 --> 00:17:10,480 the conservative political end. So I don't know. I think you're right. 230 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:15,119 I think it's more punk rock than hippie for sure. That probably sounded so 231 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:19,039 dumb and pretentious. So DeSantis, I like his speech. Obviously, I 232 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,640 think he is the best candidate out there, but everyone tells me that's not 233 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,480 the case. He just somehow, I guess, doesn't connect. So I 234 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:33,440 loved the content of his speech, and I just love that man and I 235 00:17:33,519 --> 00:17:40,759 want more people to be like him. And he covered such a wide swath 236 00:17:40,799 --> 00:17:45,200 of issues. I really enjoyed his speech. So that's all I have to 237 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,799 say. It's just that this is what I was thinking when I was listening 238 00:17:48,799 --> 00:17:52,680 to him, that he even when I don't agree with him, he is 239 00:17:52,799 --> 00:17:56,839 very confident. He does a lot of things and gets them done. He 240 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,000 says he's going to do a lot of things, and he that's those things 241 00:18:00,319 --> 00:18:06,599 done. I don't know. I know, I don't want to get into 242 00:18:06,599 --> 00:18:10,000 another Jdvans argument, but I don't know that Jdvance is going to get things 243 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,079 done because he hasn't really had to do that in the political world yet. 244 00:18:12,079 --> 00:18:15,559 I don't know. And Donald Trump in many ways failed to do the things 245 00:18:15,599 --> 00:18:18,720 he wanted to do because I don't think he was ready for DC. Exactly 246 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,400 right, I'm saying, even if I was pro pro him, I think, 247 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,599 you know, all the firings, all the upheaval, it was problematic. 248 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,200 So I just think that, Sorry, I'm just saying, I think 249 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:30,920 that, you know, someone like that would have been a better VP choice, 250 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,480 a person who actually can get we know can get things done. But 251 00:18:34,519 --> 00:18:40,240 he could have pulled together that administration in a really smart way. That's just 252 00:18:40,279 --> 00:18:45,759 what I was thinking as VP choice, but wasn't going to happen. So 253 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:49,240 I agree with you on a lot of this. I don't want to agree 254 00:18:49,279 --> 00:18:53,000 with you because there was that reader who sent us a note saying that they 255 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:57,640 really liked how much we fought on yesterday's podcast. What was the subject line 256 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:02,440 on that email? Though I was going to make that comment exp I forgot 257 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,680 what it was. It was love David. The substance in the email was 258 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:10,319 like you guys, I so love you fighting, but the subject line was 259 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:15,119 I love David. Okay, great, good for you. What he or 260 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:19,079 she meant I think it was a he was that I am correct. I 261 00:19:19,079 --> 00:19:22,440 don't know. But by the way, I got a lot of reaction on 262 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,240 Twitter and stuff to our podcast yesterday. It's very much appreciated. Okay, 263 00:19:26,559 --> 00:19:34,880 anything else on desanthis yep? Amber Rose. I only thought one thing when 264 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,880 she was speaking. I'm like, it takes a lot of dedication to something 265 00:19:40,039 --> 00:19:44,680 to put a tattoo on your face on your forehead, right. I was 266 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,359 like, it takes me so long to make decisions about what I want to 267 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,839 buy or this, and that I couldn't never have a tattoo because I couldn't 268 00:19:52,839 --> 00:19:55,119 really even decide what to put on me. But to put a tattoo on 269 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,400 your face at something, it seems like a lot of people have them now. 270 00:19:59,519 --> 00:20:03,319 First of amber Rose spoke the previous night, not last night. Oh 271 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:07,960 sorry, yes, are you talking about the video which was very catchy? 272 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,200 Uh? Yeah, I don't. It's pretty bad hip hop though, right, 273 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:23,039 pretty lukewarm stuff. Political political songs tend not to have the truth that 274 00:20:23,559 --> 00:20:30,640 art needs to be great. But I thought her so her speaks with the 275 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,519 previous night, I was surprised at how well done it was. And there's 276 00:20:34,519 --> 00:20:37,839 been a lot of concern about her. I think she's like a former stripper. 277 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,839 I think she has an only fan. She has kind of a Kim 278 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,200 Kardashian rise to fame, if you know what I mean, and I think 279 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:51,519 you do, and so a lot of people were upset about it. I 280 00:20:51,559 --> 00:20:57,319 am a little worried about the country that these are the types of people that 281 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:03,759 we have as influenced, or that influencing is something we want for a political 282 00:21:03,799 --> 00:21:08,000 convention. But that's again, I actually think a lot of people don't want 283 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,880 warmongers speaking, and a lot of people don't want Amber Rose speaking. But 284 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:19,039 it or a union guy or a pro lifer or you know, it's just 285 00:21:19,079 --> 00:21:22,400 one of the things about conventions. It's about showing that there is a big 286 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:30,359 tent that can win, and so there can be a problem when that tent 287 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:37,279 makes it harder to accomplish your pro family mission. I get this, but 288 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,759 also a pro peace mission. You know, I don't doesn't bother me. 289 00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:44,400 I don't care. I assume you're just trying to look like you can speak 290 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,799 to the regular folk out there or new people or whatever. But it does 291 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:53,160 bother me a little bit that people treat like Tea Party Reaganites like yuck than 292 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,119 amber Rose. They're like, just like, this is great, We're opening 293 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,640 the tent. You know. It's just it's a little bothersome to me. 294 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,359 I don't think it matters that much. But I would say if the founder 295 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:08,720 of the slut walk or whatever was at the DEM at the DEM uh you 296 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:14,359 convention, Republicans would pretty much make a big deal out of it, probably, 297 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,000 Except that's what they all are. I mean, that's what these That's 298 00:22:18,039 --> 00:22:22,319 just kind of another way of saying, that's what Lindsay Graham and Mitch McConnell 299 00:22:22,319 --> 00:22:27,799 do. They're all corrupt. These political leaders have done so much damage. 300 00:22:27,839 --> 00:22:37,440 And I agree that the lack of sexual ethics displayed by this speaker are not 301 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:41,720 something to be celebrated, But neither are the ethics embraced by some of these 302 00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:45,720 other speakers. You know, and I think the average American is much more 303 00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:48,480 upset about all of their money going to foreign aid with nothing in return than 304 00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:53,200 they are someone like her, and yet they tolerate it all because they understand 305 00:22:53,599 --> 00:23:00,240 that you kind of need the the different people. Yeah. Again, I 306 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,559 don't want to devolve into another argument. I don't think the foreigny stuff is 307 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:10,599 as unpopular, unpopular as you think among most average Republicans. Yeah, I'm 308 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:15,440 part of saying it because we're in Milwaukee, which is a wonderful city. 309 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,359 I really like it. We've had good brats, good cheese curds, you 310 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,319 know, we've had steak. Everything's great. Last night, some friends and 311 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:29,799 I decided that we would go to the most absurd dining chance we had, 312 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,440 which was Benny Hannah. Okay, you've been to Benny Hannah. I've never 313 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,599 been. It was my first time and they had us at a table with 314 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:42,759 other people. I assume these people were security. They were huge men for 315 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:48,960 men, they weren't drinking, really big biceps, and we were talking just 316 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:56,079 a little bit, you know, with some of these people and their big 317 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,200 issue. They were on a fishing trip. They had nothing to do with 318 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,640 the Republican can. They were on a fishing trip in Wisconsin and they were 319 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,880 headed back to Iowa. One of them might have been white but I couldn't 320 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:12,279 quite tell. So, so three men of color. At least their big 321 00:24:12,279 --> 00:24:18,920 issue was all the money going to foreign aid, Like that's what they talk 322 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,799 to us about. So issue. I agree, they're not probably representative of 323 00:24:22,839 --> 00:24:27,880 the average voter, but they just really wanted to hear that Trump and JD. 324 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,240 Vance would not send so much taxpayer money to other countries and that they 325 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,960 would focus more on our own country. Yeah. I mean that's that's fine. 326 00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:41,440 I just think it's you know, I think that the foreign aid issue 327 00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:45,160 is a real issue, needs to be debated, do whatever. But this 328 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:51,319 zero sum you know what, this zero sum argument that because we give foreign 329 00:24:51,319 --> 00:24:55,640 aid we can't help people in America. It's ridiculous. Anyway, it's demagogery. 330 00:24:56,799 --> 00:25:00,519 I think that's all the it's enough. We can move on. Oh 331 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,200 but Sarah Hackamy Sanders give great speech. Yeah, I did not see that 332 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,839 one. Oh she knocked out of the park. Early on, I thought 333 00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:12,039 that she might have a maybe be someone who they were thinking about for VP. 334 00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:18,680 So I think there were some concerns because she didn't immediately come out and 335 00:25:18,759 --> 00:25:23,839 endorse Trump. She kind of waited, and then she also just recently survived 336 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,720 cancer. She also has very young children, so I don't think she was 337 00:25:27,759 --> 00:25:34,200 actually looking for this at this time in her life. And it's still young. 338 00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:37,559 Huh yeah, there's plenty of time for that if she wants to. 339 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:44,839 I guess, m okay, I think we can. Uh well, good 340 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,680 good luck tonight, and it will be other big speeches, I'm sure with 341 00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:53,839 Trump Speaks Thursday night. Yeah, tonight, Dance speaks tonight, Kadi Vance, 342 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,559 I'm gonna make a sign that says David Harsani loves you, and I'm 343 00:25:57,559 --> 00:26:02,039 gonna hope to get on with that. Tay. I got a lot of 344 00:26:02,039 --> 00:26:10,279 blowback from family members, friends, others who who like him, and you 345 00:26:10,279 --> 00:26:12,720 know, they're just all wrong. So I'm not you know, and then 346 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:18,200 people telling me I'm not being helpful online, which I'm not here to be 347 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:25,200 helpful. We're here to fight. Let's switch gears and talk a little bit 348 00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:27,480 about some of the I think we'd have a chance yesterday to talk about some 349 00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:33,839 of the blowback to the assassination attempt on Donald Trump's life. Right. So, 350 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,039 Morning Joe, which has a cast of like twenty people all competing to 351 00:26:37,079 --> 00:26:42,160 be crazier than the next person, is a very popular program that NBC runs 352 00:26:42,519 --> 00:26:47,480 in the morning, and as you note, yes, they refer to Republicans 353 00:26:47,519 --> 00:26:51,319 as the authoritarians, tyrants, threats to the republic. Trump is Hitler. 354 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,359 I mean, there's not a thing that could be said that they won't say, 355 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,799 no matter what the consequence is. So it is not completely surprising that 356 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,440 NBC took them off the air in the immediate aftermath of the failed assassination attempt. 357 00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:11,119 But what's happened since then has been super interesting. So we learned that 358 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:18,160 they told Morning Joe Joe Scarborough and his team of clowns that they were pulling 359 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,759 them off the air because they were just going to do a news feed for 360 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,240 the day. But then it turned out the only show they took off was 361 00:27:25,319 --> 00:27:27,640 Joe Scarborough. Now, partly that just doesn't make sense because they had Joy 362 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,799 Reid, who has been out there saying, Okay, guys, what are 363 00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:34,640 we going to do? We have to stop Hitler. So she's just as 364 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:41,440 bad as Joe Scarborough. But they're both bad. I don't know. I 365 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,880 don't know. But it enraged Joe Scarborough and his team, and so they 366 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:51,359 went on air yesterday Tuesday and they started railing against their bosses and saying that 367 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,480 they were lied to, and then how corrupt NBC is, and how next 368 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,359 time they're told that they're going to do a live news feed instead of their 369 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,359 show, they're going to show up and it better be them who do that 370 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:07,759 live news show, or else they can find another group of people. So 371 00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:11,480 it's kind of interesting. I am of the belief that you do not defecate 372 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:18,359 where you eat and that attacking you if you truly have a problem with your 373 00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:22,599 place of employment, just quit. It's okay, but you don't speak that 374 00:28:22,599 --> 00:28:26,799 way about the people who are giving you, in this case like a lot 375 00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:30,680 of money. But it seems like people at san Then and NBC have been 376 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:37,160 getting away with this for a while now. But I do think we have 377 00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:41,599 reached an inflection point with Morning Joe. And so what I mean by this 378 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:48,359 is they were so rewarded for their hysteria during the first Trump administration and the 379 00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:52,400 Biden administration. It's notoriously the Biden White House's favorite show. They watch it. 380 00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:57,119 They just got more and more extreme, but they also became less and 381 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:02,279 less legitimate. And now that we're in this space where people are just saying, 382 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:07,599 I don't believe the hysteria anymore. I think smart liberals are going to 383 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,839 want a show that gives smarter criticism of Trump and the Republicans, like they 384 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:18,160 just can't doing this in the second Trump administration is just going to be cartoonish. 385 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,519 And I don't know, I guess what I'm saying is I think that 386 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:30,200 NBC might seek to replace them with a more journalistically legitimate group of people. 387 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,720 Does that make sense? I think that's wishful thinking. I mean, my 388 00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:38,160 first reaction to that is that everyone went back to doing what they were basically 389 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:44,720 doing before the assassination relatively quickly. I mean, listen, there is pushback, 390 00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:48,640 I think because the media wants Joe Biden out, so it's changed a 391 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,440 bit. But I think if Kamala became the presidential candidate, I think they 392 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,759 go right back to this. I don't know, you might be right. 393 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,720 I mean, it is cartoonish, but hasn't it been cartoonish for a while. 394 00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:03,519 No one, I mean, you know, ever since thought Ruscia collusion 395 00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:07,839 hopes there's cartoonish when everybody's in the circus, and then when some people decide 396 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:12,119 to leave the circus and say there's this other way of being that's non circus, 397 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,599 like that's when it might weaken. You're right, it absolutely might not 398 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,880 only stay the same but get worse. You are totally right. But I 399 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:26,119 could just see that smart liberals have got to be sensing that a dam is 400 00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:30,160 breaking. You've got all these tech bros and all these influencers and all these 401 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,599 just voters saying I kind of don't believe your lies about Donald Trump and Republicans, 402 00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:41,599 and they're going to have to try to recapture and control that narrative that 403 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,319 they are losing. Did you see the story in Puck? Do you know 404 00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:52,160 what Puck is? It's like some kind of Ceosh Politico ish kind of thing. 405 00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:59,000 There was a zoom call with Joe Biden where he is completely incoherent. 406 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,799 He is completely for most of it. Then he's completely fabulistic is that a 407 00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:07,799 word? Where he's talking about how he like put NATO together and all that 408 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,519 nonsense, and then he attacks a Bronze star winner, calls him basically a 409 00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:18,319 loser, sucker and a loser basically, and goes after him and mocks him 410 00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:22,799 basically and brings up his son again. I just I can't I hate doing 411 00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:26,920 this formulation, but I can't even imagine what happens, it's that's Donald Trump. 412 00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:29,960 I just can't and yet I don't think this is going to be reported 413 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,559 in most big networks on most big networks, right, And so let's compare. 414 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,680 We had The Atlantic in what is that guy's name, who's the jeff 415 00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:41,680 Jeffrey Goldberg, Jeffrey Goldberg who's kind of known for having problems with his reporting 416 00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:45,440 accuracy anyway, but he says that he has he can't tell you who they 417 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,119 are, but he has like three or four anonymous sources who say the contrary 418 00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:53,920 to everything you've ever seen about Donald Trump, he secretly hates the military and 419 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:59,720 the pomp and circumstance of it all. And so he for no good reason 420 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:07,119 didn't go to the Ein marne Us National Cemetery in France where World War One 421 00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:10,480 are buried because of this hatred and that he thinks, in fact that dead 422 00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:15,680 American soldiers are suckers and losers. So in response to this, you have 423 00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:22,920 literally like twenty five people, including people who hate Trump, on the record 424 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,680 saying I was in the meeting where we discussed how we couldn't take him there 425 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,440 for security reasons, and it's a lie. It's just not true. He 426 00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:32,599 never said that. So people like John Bolton, people like I think it 427 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:37,119 was Kaylee mcnaney, you know, like all sorts of people, but like 428 00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:45,039 two dozen, you also had contemporaneous government documents saying we can't get the president 429 00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:47,079 there for security reasons. There was rain and they didn't feel like it was 430 00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:53,119 safe. So that story is believed by all of bluingon and by all of 431 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:58,359 bluing on, I mean all of media and all that blewing on, bluing 432 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,039 on. We have to keep saying it. Great book about Blue and On 433 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,960 coming out, so they all believe it even though there's no evidence, and 434 00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:10,920 they keep on trying to launder this. So recently, one of the former 435 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,039 Trump officials who hates Trump, what was his name? You know, he 436 00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:19,039 was the chief of staff. He was a military guy. Oh my gosh, 437 00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:21,839 I'm tilling. Oh wow, yeah, the guy he probably is spreading 438 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:27,440 thisa Africa's name right now. So he says to CNN, he makes his 439 00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:30,480 statement related to his dislike of Trump, and he says, what can I 440 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:35,640 say that hasn't already been said? And he says, you know, it 441 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,960 has been said this, and it has been said that. And Jake Tapper 442 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:43,200 and it's this like suckers and loser stuff. And Jake Tapper says, this 443 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:49,160 guy is now confirming on the record that that happened. Well, it wasn't 444 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,279 confirmed in the statement. It was just again referencing previous reports. And you 445 00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:57,079 still have these two dozen people, including people who hate Trump and the documents 446 00:33:57,119 --> 00:34:00,400 everything. And yet it became a campaign ad, It became a major theme 447 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:06,400 of corporate media. It was mentioned in a debate without in fact the question 448 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,519 I think was put. I think the moderator referenced it as if it were 449 00:34:09,519 --> 00:34:16,239 true and compared to that you now have in Puck News on the record people, 450 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,800 I believe I couldn't actually access the document, so it was a little 451 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,760 hard to tell. But people who are on a call saying they heard this, 452 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:29,599 they don't have the audio, right, I just read quotes directly from 453 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,320 the zoom call. Let me tell you the worst part is where he goes 454 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:38,320 after this bronze star congressman who is worried about how Joe Biden's mental acuity is 455 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,159 going to affect his race, and he basically says, what have you ever 456 00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:45,000 done with your bronze star? You're a loser. I put together NATO back 457 00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:50,559 in nineteen clickety click or whatever you know. His weird lies are, and 458 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,679 the White House did not deny it. You know, they said, well, 459 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,559 part of how you characterize that phone call is not true, but this 460 00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:02,519 part is true, part where he goes after a bronze star guy, and 461 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,199 yeah, will it be reported outside of Puck I doubt it. Here's something 462 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:15,239 to remember here. By the way, if the media didn't want Joe Biden 463 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,000 out, we would never have learned about this in the first place. I 464 00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:23,320 just don't believe Hawk would have reported on this at all in a typical race. 465 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:29,199 They're doing it because they're working for other Democrats and they want him out. 466 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:36,480 And that's why we even know this much. I think Biden mentioned that 467 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,960 sucker's and losers thing in the last debate, I believe, you know, 468 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:44,320 along with a bunch of other lies about the yeah, about the good people 469 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,360 on both sides, lie about the inject yourself with bleach lie. I mean, 470 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:52,920 these are part of his this is part of his thumb speech now basically 471 00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:57,920 so. And I don't see any hysterics from I don't see a remember when 472 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,840 they had the lie counters on CNN, and you know, underneath it stuff? 473 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:06,880 Where did they go? You know? So I learned from CNN and 474 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,760 then MSNBC that Joe Biden doesn't lie. Can I Can I just share another 475 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:15,679 blue and on thing that just came through Hell? Yeah. Joy An Reid, 476 00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:22,400 who we're debating whether she's worse than Joe Scarborough. There's this place for 477 00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:27,079 left wingers to be in a safe space called threads. It's like Twitter, 478 00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:31,880 but for safe space left wingers. And they go over there and they talk 479 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,719 openly amongst themselves. It almost makes me want to go over there myself. 480 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:45,159 So she just retweets Shriylyn ifhil So. Sharylyn Eifel says journalists who demanded detailed 481 00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:50,880 medical information about President Biden just don't care to hear from any actual medical personnel 482 00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:54,119 about the injury President Trump, so, you know, supposedly sustained or whatever. 483 00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:59,079 This is insane. Joyne Reid says, I have many questions, like, 484 00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:02,559 where are the medical reports? What caused Trump's injury? Real mystery, 485 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,840 real mystery here? What caused Trump's injury? Well, yeah, they're talking 486 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:14,840 about their shattered yeah exact yeh, shrapnel glass, a bullet. Where were 487 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:20,400 the three attendees who were shot seated or standing relative to Trump. Why was 488 00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:29,039 Trump allowed to stand and pose for photos fist pumping for nearly ten seconds while 489 00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:32,719 asking about his shoe when there could easily have been additional shooters? How did 490 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:37,559 the gunmen manage to get on the roof of the building where the local police 491 00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:44,639 were literally inside. So she's just asking questions about whether Trump was shot. 492 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:52,840 I don't even know what to say, other than we should not be surprised 493 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,599 by the conspiratorial outlook of the left. It has been growing, as I 494 00:37:55,719 --> 00:38:00,519 detail in my book, that's coming out for many from decades, but bloomed 495 00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:07,360 and exploded in twenty sixteen. If people believe that the president himself is a 496 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:12,920 spy for Russia and an asset for Russia, like Jonathan Chait did, who 497 00:38:13,159 --> 00:38:16,199 wrote a long piece about it since nineteen eighty seven, then it should not 498 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,800 be surprising that they think that the president got someone to shoot his ear off. 499 00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:28,360 I mean, literally millimeters from killing him. Is just insane. But 500 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,559 of course here we are. It's going to be fun and it's going to 501 00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:37,280 be hopefully good for my book. I do think that people embrace conspiracy theories 502 00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:43,639 frequently when the truth is just too difficult. Does that make sense? Like 503 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:49,239 they can't. It's so scary to think that the US government failed to defend 504 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,199 the homeland on nine to eleven that they then say, okay, and I 505 00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:54,840 think therefore they were in on it, or you know what I mean. 506 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,920 It was so horrifying to Democrats to believe that they're fellow Americans who they had 507 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:07,760 largely ignored or dismissed for a long time, had voted for Donald Trump, 508 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,159 that they came up with a crazy conspiracy theory to explain it. And then 509 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,119 I think in this case, it is so horrifying to them that Donald Trump 510 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:22,159 behaved with courage and bravery and sense of self and sense of moment. It's 511 00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:28,000 so opposite the picture of him that they had painted for themselves, that they 512 00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:31,000 are coming up with conspiracy theories because it's just too much for their little minds 513 00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:35,920 to be able to take over. Well, it doesn't it also completely, 514 00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:38,840 it doesn't completely shatow, but it shatters their entire narrative that is the right 515 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:45,280 that engages in political violence, you know. So they could hide it when 516 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,679 it came to BLM and pretend they had nothing to do with the violence, 517 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,039 or that there was no violence. It was mostly peaceful. But you can 518 00:39:52,199 --> 00:39:59,199 hide something like this. And for all the talk of violence coming from the 519 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,199 right came from the left, I don't you know whatever, So that's part 520 00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:06,239 of it. I never really get it, because I mean, nine to 521 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,599 eleven, you had a bunch of Islamists who promised to do that and then 522 00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:12,280 finally did it, and everyone's like, nah, can't be you know, 523 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,000 or Kennedy was shot by a comedy Nah, it's gotta be something else, 524 00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:22,159 you know. Anyway, Finally, Molly, I think we should talk, 525 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:27,920 and you should talk in detail about the federal judge or dismissed the Trump classified 526 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:34,480 document case. I believe alone that Jack Smith put on, which is a 527 00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:37,840 huge blow to the lawfair efforts, is it not? It is? So 528 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,719 this is another reason why we have to do a couple of the podcasts this 529 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:47,559 week. Is so much important news is breaking constantly, and the Democrats decided 530 00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:54,559 to use law fair to harm the political prospects of their most feared opponent, 531 00:40:54,679 --> 00:40:59,719 Donald Trump, and they did it in a variety of cases, some local, 532 00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:07,559 state, some federal. And Joe Biden had expressed frustration laundered through the 533 00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:10,920 New York Times front page that Merrick Garland wasn't doing enough to go after his 534 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,159 primary political opponent, and Merrick Garland cave to the pressure. Had Jack Smith, 535 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:21,000 who's kind of a crazy person. It has a really bad track record 536 00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:24,719 with the Supreme Court back dating back to the time that he tried to destroy 537 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:30,880 the political future and actually was successful with this with Bob McDonald, the Virginia 538 00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:36,480 GOP governor. He was overturned eventually by the Supreme Court nine to nothing, 539 00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:40,519 but not until after he had kind of sidelined Bob McDonald once and then this 540 00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:49,199 term right now, he was completely obliterated by the Supreme Court on the presidential 541 00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:52,719 immunity situation. And I don't mean by that that the Court gave Trump everything 542 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:59,239 he wanted either, But Jack Smith pursued a novel legal theory. We'd kind 543 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,800 of handled president immunity, in my view, in a better way through hidden 544 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:07,199 law. Hidden law, like we just don't use the courts to go after 545 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:12,000 political opponents, and we don't spell out exactly how it works. But he 546 00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:16,079 had this really aggressive idea about how presidents have no immunity, and the Court, 547 00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:19,000 when asked away in was like, okay, well, if you're going 548 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,800 to make us weigh in. Obviously, that's stupid. You can't have a 549 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,280 country and have your president open to prosecution all the time by his political opponents. 550 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:30,480 So we're going to explain here that in fact, he does have immunity. 551 00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:34,360 It was a huge slap down of Jack Smith there, and so that's 552 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,960 putting his case in the DC Circuit into some disarray. It's also putting all 553 00:42:39,039 --> 00:42:45,159 the other cases into disarray, including the things that have been happening in New 554 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:49,519 York, because it turns out that the way they prosecuted those cases violated certain 555 00:42:49,519 --> 00:42:53,159 aspects of presidential immunity as understood by the Supreme Court now as ruled on by 556 00:42:53,159 --> 00:42:59,599 the Supreme Court in that immunity decision. You know, Clarence Thomas had made 557 00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:02,960 a no that oh sort of. By the way, this special council isn't 558 00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:09,119 even legitimate because he was never confirmed by the Senate for this constitutional office, 559 00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:14,760 and you have to be. And so sometimes special councils have been Senate confirmed, 560 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:21,000 like David Weiss, the guy going after the guy protecting Hunter Biden actually 561 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:28,800 by going after little Meanie Mealy things. John Durham, the one who did 562 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:35,440 a less than satisfactory job of going after the Russia collusion hoax. But Jack 563 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:40,039 Smith was never confirmed by the Senate, so he is not considered legitimate. 564 00:43:40,119 --> 00:43:45,840 And Eileen Cannon, who has been overseeing the classified documents case that he has 565 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:52,119 before her had before her in Florida, has not loved the way he handled 566 00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:54,280 the case all along. You know. For instance, he had a grand 567 00:43:54,360 --> 00:44:00,559 jury in d C that is filled with DC people who we might remember voted 568 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:05,519 ninety six percent or more against Donald Trump handled the indictments, but then they 569 00:44:05,559 --> 00:44:08,920 had to actually or handle all the work, and then they moved it down 570 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:15,000 to Florida. After that, he mishandled evidence in his raid of mar Lago. 571 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:20,519 He mishandled the he leaked to the press, you know, photos that 572 00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:22,719 made it or he somehow made them available to the press that made it look 573 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,920 like Donald Trump like he had him dead to rights, and it turned out 574 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,039 that he had fabricated certain elements of that. And so she's just been kind 575 00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:34,840 of she's been very even keeled. Like again, Trump team will ask for 576 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,039 things, she says no. Jack Smith asks for things she says no. 577 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:42,159 And so as a result of that, she has been public enemy number one 578 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:47,000 for corporate media leaders. Washington Post has viciously attacked her New York Times anyway, 579 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:53,679 On Monday, she throughout the case on the grounds that Jack Smith was 580 00:44:53,880 --> 00:45:00,920 not a legal agent here. So yeah, I'm uneasy about the immunity stuff 581 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:05,880 with presidents because I do think sometimes they are involved in criminality. I don't 582 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,000 know where that line is or not, but special counsels and special whatever they 583 00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:14,599 used to be called seem completely unconstitutional to me to begin with. Don't you 584 00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:16,239 think, I mean, we have a Congress, we have a political system, 585 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,559 we have a justice system. This is not mentioned in the constitution. 586 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,079 Go after people with the real criminal charges or don't. Like you know, 587 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,719 I know this is probably a simplistic take, but I just I feel like 588 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,440 there's just an abuse. Like you say, there's hidden law, but that's 589 00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:37,000 done because there's no respect for due process here anymore for your political enemies. 590 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,000 So we have to come up with some sort of system and rules, and 591 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,599 the Supreme Court needs to do it where we don't have this happen again. 592 00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:45,400 At least. Yeah, that's how I see it. I do want to 593 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,920 say, forgive me, we do still have means to take this on, 594 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:53,440 regardless of if it's a Republican president or a Democrat president. We have impeachment 595 00:45:53,880 --> 00:46:00,559 and we have the ballot box. These are very powerful tools to fight against 596 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:07,079 corruption. And you know it's not I actually liked how we handled the immunity 597 00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:10,719 thing previously too, where it kind of kept people worried, you know, 598 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:19,320 they didn't want to test it. Democrats unfortunately through all those guide guardrails out 599 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,519 and just decided to destroy everything. But I'm not so worried about it because 600 00:46:23,519 --> 00:46:25,639 you can still, like you can choose whether or not to vote for Donald 601 00:46:25,679 --> 00:46:29,519 Trump, or you can choose whether or not to try to impeach him or 602 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,480 Yeah, I mean the remedy for sure, the remedy for abuse of powers, 603 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,280 impeachment and removal. Same thing for Supreme Court, by the way, 604 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:43,440 and other other offices. And you know, I just had this quote from 605 00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:46,960 Canon I wanted to read, so she had a lengthy opinion explaining everything that 606 00:46:47,039 --> 00:46:51,519 was going on. But she said, the Court is convinced that Special Counsel 607 00:46:51,599 --> 00:47:00,800 Smith's prosecution of this action breaches two structural cornerstones of our constitutional scheme of Congress 608 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:07,800 in the appointment of constitutional officers and the role of Congress in authorizing expenditures by 609 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:15,079 law, So someone can tell Biden about that when it comes to the student 610 00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:22,039 loan forgiveness plan. That is interesting. But I'm sorry. So anyways, 611 00:47:22,199 --> 00:47:27,280 like this, it means that there won't be that We're not this won't happen 612 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,000 because obviously it'll be appealed, probably go to Supreme Court. Right, but 613 00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:32,559 it's not going to happen before November. I mean, you can't put this 614 00:47:32,639 --> 00:47:37,159 trial on. It's done. Yeah, that was their it. Yeah. 615 00:47:37,639 --> 00:47:42,119 Yeah, but you know, Jason Willock at the Washington Post had a great, 616 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,280 peace very fair minded columnist in my opinion, Yeah, and it was 617 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:52,519 about the hubris and zelotry of Merrick Garland and Jack Smith just crashing down before 618 00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:57,079 them with how they had gotten pushed back in this immunity decision. This also 619 00:47:57,159 --> 00:48:00,639 is a good example of that. They were hebristic, they were zealous, 620 00:48:00,679 --> 00:48:06,039 they were not judicial, they were not prudential, and they are now being 621 00:48:06,039 --> 00:48:10,760 embarrassed and that's okay. That's okay. So we have no culture. We 622 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,880 spoke yesterday, but we will be back next week to talk more and we'll 623 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,840 talk more about the convention and what happened until them be Love is a freedom 624 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,199 and anxious for their prey,