Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You're Wrong with Molly Hemingway and
David Harsan. If you'd like to email us, please do so at radio
at the Federalist dot com. I should have said bonus episode, Molly,
this is a bonus episode. You are at the RNC in Milwaukee. How's
it going over there? It's going great. And yeah, there's just like
so much news happening every day that we're just doing a couple here this week
this podcast to deal with that reality that there's a lot of news. Yeah,
I've been in Milwaukee all week. It's been super interesting, very different
vibe than a typical convention. People are very happy and just excited about what
they think is going to happen in November. And it's been also, I
think for a lot of people, like a difficult eight years. So these
are people who are Trump delegates. They suffered through a lot to be Trump
delegates previously, and now they're feeling vindicated. I think that their hard work
is paying off and that all the people who were so histrionic and hateful toward
them are being shown to be not great. Yeah, obviously, I think
it's a reflection of the Trumps or Donald Trump and his new political discipline.
Would that'd be fair to say that the things are run very tightly? You
know, I don't know if I mentioned this yesterday, but just the very
fact that the VP selection wasn't leaked and that there wasn't you know, there's
not this infighting and all of that, I think just is a reflection of
just a better run campaign and all that. In fact, I actually this
is a good segue to the speeches. I think the speech has proved that
things are actually pretty well run. Right. Nikki Ali's speech, I think
it was smart to bring her on board. I know people don't love her,
but it was a unifying message for the party in some sense. I
don't know how much it changes things. What did you think of her speech?
So I was I actually got to hear it from inside the Pfiser Forum,
So it was my first night actually going into the forum to hear things,
and it was really fun to be in there, including that shortly after
I arrived, President Trump arrived and it was you know, people were just
very excited to see him. The theme of the night, and Matt Kittle
wrote about this, was that it was not just Nikki but like a ton
of people that Donald Trump had sparred with or defeated in a primary who spoke.
So you had from this cycle, you had vivaq Ramaswami who was extremely
well reviewed or well received by the crowd, Nicki Haley, Rond de Santis,
and then from twenty sixteen you had Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Ben
Carson. I am probably leaving people out and I apologize. So it was
a bunch of people who have constituencies that represent the coalition that is the Republican
Party, and so it kind of all worked together really nicely. And in
addition, you had Sarah Huckabee Sanders who was also extremely well received, and
Laura Trump, and both of those women were really kind of humanizing or personalizing
Donald Trump. But then of all the people, I actually think the crowd
liked the speeches from the normal Americans, the most people who'd lost their children
to violent crime caused by an open border or drug overdoses, you know,
an open border helped contribute to stuff like that. That was very moving to
the crowd, who were like openly crying and struck by these stories. So
the last convention in twenty twenty wasn't a normal one. Really, it was
kind of set pieces. It wasn't then't I wasn't there, but I'm not
there with you now. But you know, it just seems like this is
more a normal convention in the sense of the crowd being, you know,
there, and people sort of participating and all of that. And I just
want to say that twenty sixteen was the last real Republican convention before this,
which was a very tough one, right, there was a big division in
the party was that when Ted Cruz gave that much right, which I loved,
you know, I still think it was a good speech. So this
is a very different vibe than that, for sure, totally. So I
just for people who don't go to conventions. I've been to Republican and Democrat
conventions. There is this thing that historically, I actually always thought that the
Democrats put on better conventions. They were produced, they were like a TV
show, The sets were amazing. The Republican ones would sometimes be like,
oh, this is not so great. So great example of this would be
the twenty two thousand and eight convention where Obama had those like columns set up
and it was in Denver. Did you go to that one I did that
was outdoors. They had to move it outdoors because the crowd was so large
and people were so yeah, and it just seemed like everyone in Hollywood had
like put their work together to make it go well. And then from there
was that the year that it was Minneapolis with McCain. Yeah, it was.
It was actually a really interesting convention, solely because of Sarah Palin,
who gave a really good speech. But the production itself just felt weird.
They were talking in front of a green screen frequently. It just felt I
don't know. So twenty sixteen was an interesting convention, but yeah, it
had to do with the Ted Cruise Challenge and the Utah Delegation challenge and it
was very spicy. People were struck. Twenty twenty was a well produced convention.
There's just weren't people there, so it played very well on TV.
And I think this one seems like almost like it was done by the same
people. It just looks good and is well produced. Sorry, that was
too much. I think people would like to hear that. I mean,
you're there. Can we go through some of the speeches? So I can't
stay. I don't care what anyone says I get it. I totally get
it. But I can't stand when people who are fighting each other in politics,
you know, fight each other really hard, and then one comes and
bends the need of the other one. And that's what Nicki Haley did.
In my view, at least now I get it. I just don't like
it. But I thought overall the speech was very I think it hit a
lot of the right note. So I was trying to be open minded about
it. Do you think that the crowd there thought that because I know,
she got some booze and she got some cheers, and oh, I was
actually wondering if people realized that there were some booze first of all, you
know, and I have been very public about my feelings about that woman.
I am not a fan of her foreign policy, basically, that's my issue.
I mean, there are other things I don't love. I thought her
speech was really well done. And I have no problem with people in a
political party working on the health of the political party. I mean, that's
maybe why I can't be a partisan, because I always have to say what
I think, and I just couldn't. It would just be very, very
difficult for me to not just be totally honest about how I feel. So
I have no problem with it, though when other people do it. You
know, if Nicky Haley wants a future in the Republican Party, she had
to do that, and I think she did it pretty well. Do you
think there's any chance she can be part of the administration? Like I doubt
you'd go back to being a UN ambassador, But I just wonder if she
would get a cabinet position. It seems unlikely to me. I think it's
extremely unlikely, but I do think there we have we have learned that the
sort of neo conservative or interventionist. I know you're sensitive to which words were
used, but you know, people who believe in democracy, spreading wars whatever
you want to call that group of people, I say hark and you don't
you give me a lecture every time, so you're you're pretty SI you give
me a lecture when I say neocom So I'm just saying that word, that
word I think has been abused, that's on doesn't have okay, really that
anyway meaning. But yeah, I hear what you're saying. I don't even
I don't even care what we call it. But that group of people,
they I do think they completely ran the Republican Party for about thirty years.
They have lost power. I think they have a decision to make about whether
they just go Democrat, because the weird thing is that Democrats have pretty openly
embraced that style of foreign policy. It's like a core part of their their
self image now, or if they want to try to keep fighting to control
the Republican Party. I don't know how that's going to play out. But
that is a that is a contingency, and it's a big part of you
know, it's a big part of the media contingency, the donor contingency.
So that's a coalition. You got different groups. You got the Ben Carson
type, she got the you know, Ted Cruz type, she got the
Mark Ruby. Everyone's got their own thing. But it's it kind of seems
like it's working as a coalition right now. Yeah, it's funny. Yeah,
please, no, I'm sorry. I hate when I'm interrupting them.
I did want to say she had a line in there. Did you hear
it when she said strong presidents prevent wars, not start them? Yeah,
And I thought that must have hurt her to have to say. But I
don't know. I don't. I don't hate her as much as other people
or I don't, you know, I just think that's a Reaganism that's been
used for a very long time, you know, strength through uh what is
it, strength through power? Whatever it is the terms. So it is
funny to me, just as an aside that you mentioned how the Democrats are
now essentially the party of neoconservative ideas basically or interventionism, and basically I think
a lot of that was just pushed by Donald Trump. It's just their sort
of reflexive opposition to him, and the whole Russia thing is just completely,
in my view, politically tied to painting Donald Trump. You know, yes,
but I also think actually there's an honesty to it. So Wilsonian progressivism
and nation building, democracy, spreading foreign policy, they go together very very
well. It's the weird thing was that it became part of the Republican Party,
not that it's now in the Democrat Party. Does that make sense?
So if you look at the Republican Party, you have this stream of foreign
policy. You know, whether it's Eisenhower, even Nixon, Reagan, they
may have had elements of some of that progressivism, but by and large it
was about a strong military not being used to do endless war without clear strategy
for success. So I think in a way, things are going back to
the way they probably should be. Republicans are going back to their foreign policy,
and Democrats are going back to their foreign There Will Sonyan foreign Will Sonyan
policies period. They just seem to like that guy. I think most presidents
are more interventionist than their campaigns, is what i'd say typically. So I
would also say this yesterday you said something like I don't really care about form
possy and say it in a bad way, but you know that that's not
a major concern for me. I just want to revisit that just for a
second, because online after our debate, I had a lot of people calling
me a neocon. I'm not idiological about foreign policy. See, I just
think every situation is completely different. I don't think there's a It's not like
economic policy or something, you know. So I like people who are more
cautious. So I'm not against the realist types, but sometimes I think they
go too far. Anyway, Sorry about vivec. If you're ready to move
on, is that how you say it? Vivek Okay I like that you
just yeah, OKAYVC. He had a line that made me laugh out loud,
which is a rarity, and it was when he said that if you
want to be a hippie and show stick it to the man, I'm like,
wants he to grow up in the nineteen fifties. Why is he still
talking about hippies? But anyway, I like what he has to say recently.
I like what he said at nat CON. The thing is, I
don't trust that he believes what he's saying, and that is I think a
problem that he has. Do you think he will be in the administration.
I do. I think he is a part of the MAGA movement. And
was it yesterday we were talking about how I actually like his approach to the
administrative state better than JD. Vance's on seeking to dismantle it rather than to
co opt it. I wish he could be the bizarre or viceroy of taking
on the administrative state. But I just also say, sometimes I hear people
complain about people having a message that other people like. You know, I
don't know if he really believes this to be saying what the people like.
It's kind of like just saying no, no, No, I hear it
all the time. I've been hearing it all the time from people in the
last week. But that's sort of just being a political leader. I'm not
saying you change what you believe to lead the crowd that's already there, but
understanding that this is a you need the leader, but you also need the
people, and you need to have like communication between those groups. It's not
the end of the world. So there's a salesperson tenor to the way he
speaks. I can't really put my finger on it. That makes him not
seem very genuine to me. I know some people like him. I'm just
saying I think that's a problem for him, and I wonder if he's going
to run for Senate in Ohio or I mean, I don't know what his
future is. I just wonder what his ceiling is. I guess yeah.
One. Do you not feel that way about a lot of them, because
I feel I wish there was a way to describe it. I just feel
when they're all talking that it's performative, which obviously it is, but there's
a lack of authenticity to a surprising percentage of these people. No, for
sure, but I think he is worse in some way. And that doesn't
even mean that I think he's less authentic. It's just that maybe there's something
in the way that he presents himself. He's like the guy who puts on
the little mic and speaks at a ted talk and that to me is just
off putting, you know, one thing to speak against that have you met
him in person, non in person. So he is maybe the only politician
who puts nothing off the record or on background. And I think that's important
because we're talking about people who frequently, you know, just you and me.
I can tell you what I'm doing here, and then here's my quote
for the record. But Vek is very What you see is what you get
with a surprising level of honesty. But I still feel that way, so
I still get what you're saying. And then also, I think we talked
about this previously, but he kind of changes his job every few years.
And I think he's really good at doing whatever it is he does, whether
it's you know, managing a biotech research fund or law school or you know,
just he does really good stuff. But he seems to get bored fairly
quickly. Well anyway, oh, sorry, on the on the if you
want to be a stick it to the man kind of thing. I do
think there is an element of that in this convention. And what I mean
by that is people are realizing quite a bit that there is a rebellion,
like a not a punk you know, if there's something kind of interesting and
different about being willing to say that you support Donald Trump and that if you
are a really boring, cowardly person you don't do that. Does that make
sense? Yeah, it actually makes a lot of sense to me. I've
actually made a similar argument, I do. I was just laughing that he's
talking about hippie's giving, you know, showing the man by sticking it to
the man, by getting married and getting degrees and paying taxes. Impleally agree
with that sentiment. I just think the hippie thing is a little worn out.
But long time ago, I was at a conference actually with Candace Owens
talking and she was comparing yeah, before she went Nazi. Sorry, but
anyway, she was talking about how it's kind of like the counter revolution of
the of the sixties, and to me, it is much more much more
like the punk revolution of the mid seventies, where you're just like, you
get a thrill in a way out of saying stuff that you weren't allowed to
say when you were sort of a normal conservative, you know what I mean.
And sometimes I think that goes in bad directions where it's almost nihilistic or
not nihilates stick but just self destructive and doesn't have any real purpose. But
there is something too, it's like burn it down, your zero stuff on
the conservative political end. So I don't know. I think you're right.
I think it's more punk rock than hippie for sure. That probably sounded so
dumb and pretentious. So DeSantis, I like his speech. Obviously, I
think he is the best candidate out there, but everyone tells me that's not
the case. He just somehow, I guess, doesn't connect. So I
loved the content of his speech, and I just love that man and I
want more people to be like him. And he covered such a wide swath
of issues. I really enjoyed his speech. So that's all I have to
say. It's just that this is what I was thinking when I was listening
to him, that he even when I don't agree with him, he is
very confident. He does a lot of things and gets them done. He
says he's going to do a lot of things, and he that's those things
done. I don't know. I know, I don't want to get into
another Jdvans argument, but I don't know that Jdvance is going to get things
done because he hasn't really had to do that in the political world yet.
I don't know. And Donald Trump in many ways failed to do the things
he wanted to do because I don't think he was ready for DC. Exactly
right, I'm saying, even if I was pro pro him, I think,
you know, all the firings, all the upheaval, it was problematic.
So I just think that, Sorry, I'm just saying, I think
that, you know, someone like that would have been a better VP choice,
a person who actually can get we know can get things done. But
he could have pulled together that administration in a really smart way. That's just
what I was thinking as VP choice, but wasn't going to happen. So
I agree with you on a lot of this. I don't want to agree
with you because there was that reader who sent us a note saying that they
really liked how much we fought on yesterday's podcast. What was the subject line
on that email? Though I was going to make that comment exp I forgot
what it was. It was love David. The substance in the email was
like you guys, I so love you fighting, but the subject line was
I love David. Okay, great, good for you. What he or
she meant I think it was a he was that I am correct. I
don't know. But by the way, I got a lot of reaction on
Twitter and stuff to our podcast yesterday. It's very much appreciated. Okay,
anything else on desanthis yep? Amber Rose. I only thought one thing when
she was speaking. I'm like, it takes a lot of dedication to something
to put a tattoo on your face on your forehead, right. I was
like, it takes me so long to make decisions about what I want to
buy or this, and that I couldn't never have a tattoo because I couldn't
really even decide what to put on me. But to put a tattoo on
your face at something, it seems like a lot of people have them now.
First of amber Rose spoke the previous night, not last night. Oh
sorry, yes, are you talking about the video which was very catchy?
Uh? Yeah, I don't. It's pretty bad hip hop though, right,
pretty lukewarm stuff. Political political songs tend not to have the truth that
art needs to be great. But I thought her so her speaks with the
previous night, I was surprised at how well done it was. And there's
been a lot of concern about her. I think she's like a former stripper.
I think she has an only fan. She has kind of a Kim
Kardashian rise to fame, if you know what I mean, and I think
you do, and so a lot of people were upset about it. I
am a little worried about the country that these are the types of people that
we have as influenced, or that influencing is something we want for a political
convention. But that's again, I actually think a lot of people don't want
warmongers speaking, and a lot of people don't want Amber Rose speaking. But
it or a union guy or a pro lifer or you know, it's just
one of the things about conventions. It's about showing that there is a big
tent that can win, and so there can be a problem when that tent
makes it harder to accomplish your pro family mission. I get this, but
also a pro peace mission. You know, I don't doesn't bother me.
I don't care. I assume you're just trying to look like you can speak
to the regular folk out there or new people or whatever. But it does
bother me a little bit that people treat like Tea Party Reaganites like yuck than
amber Rose. They're like, just like, this is great, We're opening
the tent. You know. It's just it's a little bothersome to me.
I don't think it matters that much. But I would say if the founder
of the slut walk or whatever was at the DEM at the DEM uh you
convention, Republicans would pretty much make a big deal out of it, probably,
Except that's what they all are. I mean, that's what these That's
just kind of another way of saying, that's what Lindsay Graham and Mitch McConnell
do. They're all corrupt. These political leaders have done so much damage.
And I agree that the lack of sexual ethics displayed by this speaker are not
something to be celebrated, But neither are the ethics embraced by some of these
other speakers. You know, and I think the average American is much more
upset about all of their money going to foreign aid with nothing in return than
they are someone like her, and yet they tolerate it all because they understand
that you kind of need the the different people. Yeah. Again, I
don't want to devolve into another argument. I don't think the foreigny stuff is
as unpopular, unpopular as you think among most average Republicans. Yeah, I'm
part of saying it because we're in Milwaukee, which is a wonderful city.
I really like it. We've had good brats, good cheese curds, you
know, we've had steak. Everything's great. Last night, some friends and
I decided that we would go to the most absurd dining chance we had,
which was Benny Hannah. Okay, you've been to Benny Hannah. I've never
been. It was my first time and they had us at a table with
other people. I assume these people were security. They were huge men for
men, they weren't drinking, really big biceps, and we were talking just
a little bit, you know, with some of these people and their big
issue. They were on a fishing trip. They had nothing to do with
the Republican can. They were on a fishing trip in Wisconsin and they were
headed back to Iowa. One of them might have been white but I couldn't
quite tell. So, so three men of color. At least their big
issue was all the money going to foreign aid, Like that's what they talk
to us about. So issue. I agree, they're not probably representative of
the average voter, but they just really wanted to hear that Trump and JD.
Vance would not send so much taxpayer money to other countries and that they
would focus more on our own country. Yeah. I mean that's that's fine.
I just think it's you know, I think that the foreign aid issue
is a real issue, needs to be debated, do whatever. But this
zero sum you know what, this zero sum argument that because we give foreign
aid we can't help people in America. It's ridiculous. Anyway, it's demagogery.
I think that's all the it's enough. We can move on. Oh
but Sarah Hackamy Sanders give great speech. Yeah, I did not see that
one. Oh she knocked out of the park. Early on, I thought
that she might have a maybe be someone who they were thinking about for VP.
So I think there were some concerns because she didn't immediately come out and
endorse Trump. She kind of waited, and then she also just recently survived
cancer. She also has very young children, so I don't think she was
actually looking for this at this time in her life. And it's still young.
Huh yeah, there's plenty of time for that if she wants to.
I guess, m okay, I think we can. Uh well, good
good luck tonight, and it will be other big speeches, I'm sure with
Trump Speaks Thursday night. Yeah, tonight, Dance speaks tonight, Kadi Vance,
I'm gonna make a sign that says David Harsani loves you, and I'm
gonna hope to get on with that. Tay. I got a lot of
blowback from family members, friends, others who who like him, and you
know, they're just all wrong. So I'm not you know, and then
people telling me I'm not being helpful online, which I'm not here to be
helpful. We're here to fight. Let's switch gears and talk a little bit
about some of the I think we'd have a chance yesterday to talk about some
of the blowback to the assassination attempt on Donald Trump's life. Right. So,
Morning Joe, which has a cast of like twenty people all competing to
be crazier than the next person, is a very popular program that NBC runs
in the morning, and as you note, yes, they refer to Republicans
as the authoritarians, tyrants, threats to the republic. Trump is Hitler.
I mean, there's not a thing that could be said that they won't say,
no matter what the consequence is. So it is not completely surprising that
NBC took them off the air in the immediate aftermath of the failed assassination attempt.
But what's happened since then has been super interesting. So we learned that
they told Morning Joe Joe Scarborough and his team of clowns that they were pulling
them off the air because they were just going to do a news feed for
the day. But then it turned out the only show they took off was
Joe Scarborough. Now, partly that just doesn't make sense because they had Joy
Reid, who has been out there saying, Okay, guys, what are
we going to do? We have to stop Hitler. So she's just as
bad as Joe Scarborough. But they're both bad. I don't know. I
don't know. But it enraged Joe Scarborough and his team, and so they
went on air yesterday Tuesday and they started railing against their bosses and saying that
they were lied to, and then how corrupt NBC is, and how next
time they're told that they're going to do a live news feed instead of their
show, they're going to show up and it better be them who do that
live news show, or else they can find another group of people. So
it's kind of interesting. I am of the belief that you do not defecate
where you eat and that attacking you if you truly have a problem with your
place of employment, just quit. It's okay, but you don't speak that
way about the people who are giving you, in this case like a lot
of money. But it seems like people at san Then and NBC have been
getting away with this for a while now. But I do think we have
reached an inflection point with Morning Joe. And so what I mean by this
is they were so rewarded for their hysteria during the first Trump administration and the
Biden administration. It's notoriously the Biden White House's favorite show. They watch it.
They just got more and more extreme, but they also became less and
less legitimate. And now that we're in this space where people are just saying,
I don't believe the hysteria anymore. I think smart liberals are going to
want a show that gives smarter criticism of Trump and the Republicans, like they
just can't doing this in the second Trump administration is just going to be cartoonish.
And I don't know, I guess what I'm saying is I think that
NBC might seek to replace them with a more journalistically legitimate group of people.
Does that make sense? I think that's wishful thinking. I mean, my
first reaction to that is that everyone went back to doing what they were basically
doing before the assassination relatively quickly. I mean, listen, there is pushback,
I think because the media wants Joe Biden out, so it's changed a
bit. But I think if Kamala became the presidential candidate, I think they
go right back to this. I don't know, you might be right.
I mean, it is cartoonish, but hasn't it been cartoonish for a while.
No one, I mean, you know, ever since thought Ruscia collusion
hopes there's cartoonish when everybody's in the circus, and then when some people decide
to leave the circus and say there's this other way of being that's non circus,
like that's when it might weaken. You're right, it absolutely might not
only stay the same but get worse. You are totally right. But I
could just see that smart liberals have got to be sensing that a dam is
breaking. You've got all these tech bros and all these influencers and all these
just voters saying I kind of don't believe your lies about Donald Trump and Republicans,
and they're going to have to try to recapture and control that narrative that
they are losing. Did you see the story in Puck? Do you know
what Puck is? It's like some kind of Ceosh Politico ish kind of thing.
There was a zoom call with Joe Biden where he is completely incoherent.
He is completely for most of it. Then he's completely fabulistic is that a
word? Where he's talking about how he like put NATO together and all that
nonsense, and then he attacks a Bronze star winner, calls him basically a
loser, sucker and a loser basically, and goes after him and mocks him
basically and brings up his son again. I just I can't I hate doing
this formulation, but I can't even imagine what happens, it's that's Donald Trump.
I just can't and yet I don't think this is going to be reported
in most big networks on most big networks, right, And so let's compare.
We had The Atlantic in what is that guy's name, who's the jeff
Jeffrey Goldberg, Jeffrey Goldberg who's kind of known for having problems with his reporting
accuracy anyway, but he says that he has he can't tell you who they
are, but he has like three or four anonymous sources who say the contrary
to everything you've ever seen about Donald Trump, he secretly hates the military and
the pomp and circumstance of it all. And so he for no good reason
didn't go to the Ein marne Us National Cemetery in France where World War One
are buried because of this hatred and that he thinks, in fact that dead
American soldiers are suckers and losers. So in response to this, you have
literally like twenty five people, including people who hate Trump, on the record
saying I was in the meeting where we discussed how we couldn't take him there
for security reasons, and it's a lie. It's just not true. He
never said that. So people like John Bolton, people like I think it
was Kaylee mcnaney, you know, like all sorts of people, but like
two dozen, you also had contemporaneous government documents saying we can't get the president
there for security reasons. There was rain and they didn't feel like it was
safe. So that story is believed by all of bluingon and by all of
bluing on, I mean all of media and all that blewing on, bluing
on. We have to keep saying it. Great book about Blue and On
coming out, so they all believe it even though there's no evidence, and
they keep on trying to launder this. So recently, one of the former
Trump officials who hates Trump, what was his name? You know, he
was the chief of staff. He was a military guy. Oh my gosh,
I'm tilling. Oh wow, yeah, the guy he probably is spreading
thisa Africa's name right now. So he says to CNN, he makes his
statement related to his dislike of Trump, and he says, what can I
say that hasn't already been said? And he says, you know, it
has been said this, and it has been said that. And Jake Tapper
and it's this like suckers and loser stuff. And Jake Tapper says, this
guy is now confirming on the record that that happened. Well, it wasn't
confirmed in the statement. It was just again referencing previous reports. And you
still have these two dozen people, including people who hate Trump and the documents
everything. And yet it became a campaign ad, It became a major theme
of corporate media. It was mentioned in a debate without in fact the question
I think was put. I think the moderator referenced it as if it were
true and compared to that you now have in Puck News on the record people,
I believe I couldn't actually access the document, so it was a little
hard to tell. But people who are on a call saying they heard this,
they don't have the audio, right, I just read quotes directly from
the zoom call. Let me tell you the worst part is where he goes
after this bronze star congressman who is worried about how Joe Biden's mental acuity is
going to affect his race, and he basically says, what have you ever
done with your bronze star? You're a loser. I put together NATO back
in nineteen clickety click or whatever you know. His weird lies are, and
the White House did not deny it. You know, they said, well,
part of how you characterize that phone call is not true, but this
part is true, part where he goes after a bronze star guy, and
yeah, will it be reported outside of Puck I doubt it. Here's something
to remember here. By the way, if the media didn't want Joe Biden
out, we would never have learned about this in the first place. I
just don't believe Hawk would have reported on this at all in a typical race.
They're doing it because they're working for other Democrats and they want him out.
And that's why we even know this much. I think Biden mentioned that
sucker's and losers thing in the last debate, I believe, you know,
along with a bunch of other lies about the yeah, about the good people
on both sides, lie about the inject yourself with bleach lie. I mean,
these are part of his this is part of his thumb speech now basically
so. And I don't see any hysterics from I don't see a remember when
they had the lie counters on CNN, and you know, underneath it stuff?
Where did they go? You know? So I learned from CNN and
then MSNBC that Joe Biden doesn't lie. Can I Can I just share another
blue and on thing that just came through Hell? Yeah. Joy An Reid,
who we're debating whether she's worse than Joe Scarborough. There's this place for
left wingers to be in a safe space called threads. It's like Twitter,
but for safe space left wingers. And they go over there and they talk
openly amongst themselves. It almost makes me want to go over there myself.
So she just retweets Shriylyn ifhil So. Sharylyn Eifel says journalists who demanded detailed
medical information about President Biden just don't care to hear from any actual medical personnel
about the injury President Trump, so, you know, supposedly sustained or whatever.
This is insane. Joyne Reid says, I have many questions, like,
where are the medical reports? What caused Trump's injury? Real mystery,
real mystery here? What caused Trump's injury? Well, yeah, they're talking
about their shattered yeah exact yeh, shrapnel glass, a bullet. Where were
the three attendees who were shot seated or standing relative to Trump. Why was
Trump allowed to stand and pose for photos fist pumping for nearly ten seconds while
asking about his shoe when there could easily have been additional shooters? How did
the gunmen manage to get on the roof of the building where the local police
were literally inside. So she's just asking questions about whether Trump was shot.
I don't even know what to say, other than we should not be surprised
by the conspiratorial outlook of the left. It has been growing, as I
detail in my book, that's coming out for many from decades, but bloomed
and exploded in twenty sixteen. If people believe that the president himself is a
spy for Russia and an asset for Russia, like Jonathan Chait did, who
wrote a long piece about it since nineteen eighty seven, then it should not
be surprising that they think that the president got someone to shoot his ear off.
I mean, literally millimeters from killing him. Is just insane. But
of course here we are. It's going to be fun and it's going to
be hopefully good for my book. I do think that people embrace conspiracy theories
frequently when the truth is just too difficult. Does that make sense? Like
they can't. It's so scary to think that the US government failed to defend
the homeland on nine to eleven that they then say, okay, and I
think therefore they were in on it, or you know what I mean.
It was so horrifying to Democrats to believe that they're fellow Americans who they had
largely ignored or dismissed for a long time, had voted for Donald Trump,
that they came up with a crazy conspiracy theory to explain it. And then
I think in this case, it is so horrifying to them that Donald Trump
behaved with courage and bravery and sense of self and sense of moment. It's
so opposite the picture of him that they had painted for themselves, that they
are coming up with conspiracy theories because it's just too much for their little minds
to be able to take over. Well, it doesn't it also completely,
it doesn't completely shatow, but it shatters their entire narrative that is the right
that engages in political violence, you know. So they could hide it when
it came to BLM and pretend they had nothing to do with the violence,
or that there was no violence. It was mostly peaceful. But you can
hide something like this. And for all the talk of violence coming from the
right came from the left, I don't you know whatever, So that's part
of it. I never really get it, because I mean, nine to
eleven, you had a bunch of Islamists who promised to do that and then
finally did it, and everyone's like, nah, can't be you know,
or Kennedy was shot by a comedy Nah, it's gotta be something else,
you know. Anyway, Finally, Molly, I think we should talk,
and you should talk in detail about the federal judge or dismissed the Trump classified
document case. I believe alone that Jack Smith put on, which is a
huge blow to the lawfair efforts, is it not? It is? So
this is another reason why we have to do a couple of the podcasts this
week. Is so much important news is breaking constantly, and the Democrats decided
to use law fair to harm the political prospects of their most feared opponent,
Donald Trump, and they did it in a variety of cases, some local,
state, some federal. And Joe Biden had expressed frustration laundered through the
New York Times front page that Merrick Garland wasn't doing enough to go after his
primary political opponent, and Merrick Garland cave to the pressure. Had Jack Smith,
who's kind of a crazy person. It has a really bad track record
with the Supreme Court back dating back to the time that he tried to destroy
the political future and actually was successful with this with Bob McDonald, the Virginia
GOP governor. He was overturned eventually by the Supreme Court nine to nothing,
but not until after he had kind of sidelined Bob McDonald once and then this
term right now, he was completely obliterated by the Supreme Court on the presidential
immunity situation. And I don't mean by that that the Court gave Trump everything
he wanted either, But Jack Smith pursued a novel legal theory. We'd kind
of handled president immunity, in my view, in a better way through hidden
law. Hidden law, like we just don't use the courts to go after
political opponents, and we don't spell out exactly how it works. But he
had this really aggressive idea about how presidents have no immunity, and the Court,
when asked away in was like, okay, well, if you're going
to make us weigh in. Obviously, that's stupid. You can't have a
country and have your president open to prosecution all the time by his political opponents.
So we're going to explain here that in fact, he does have immunity.
It was a huge slap down of Jack Smith there, and so that's
putting his case in the DC Circuit into some disarray. It's also putting all
the other cases into disarray, including the things that have been happening in New
York, because it turns out that the way they prosecuted those cases violated certain
aspects of presidential immunity as understood by the Supreme Court now as ruled on by
the Supreme Court in that immunity decision. You know, Clarence Thomas had made
a no that oh sort of. By the way, this special council isn't
even legitimate because he was never confirmed by the Senate for this constitutional office,
and you have to be. And so sometimes special councils have been Senate confirmed,
like David Weiss, the guy going after the guy protecting Hunter Biden actually
by going after little Meanie Mealy things. John Durham, the one who did
a less than satisfactory job of going after the Russia collusion hoax. But Jack
Smith was never confirmed by the Senate, so he is not considered legitimate.
And Eileen Cannon, who has been overseeing the classified documents case that he has
before her had before her in Florida, has not loved the way he handled
the case all along. You know. For instance, he had a grand
jury in d C that is filled with DC people who we might remember voted
ninety six percent or more against Donald Trump handled the indictments, but then they
had to actually or handle all the work, and then they moved it down
to Florida. After that, he mishandled evidence in his raid of mar Lago.
He mishandled the he leaked to the press, you know, photos that
made it or he somehow made them available to the press that made it look
like Donald Trump like he had him dead to rights, and it turned out
that he had fabricated certain elements of that. And so she's just been kind
of she's been very even keeled. Like again, Trump team will ask for
things, she says no. Jack Smith asks for things she says no.
And so as a result of that, she has been public enemy number one
for corporate media leaders. Washington Post has viciously attacked her New York Times anyway,
On Monday, she throughout the case on the grounds that Jack Smith was
not a legal agent here. So yeah, I'm uneasy about the immunity stuff
with presidents because I do think sometimes they are involved in criminality. I don't
know where that line is or not, but special counsels and special whatever they
used to be called seem completely unconstitutional to me to begin with. Don't you
think, I mean, we have a Congress, we have a political system,
we have a justice system. This is not mentioned in the constitution.
Go after people with the real criminal charges or don't. Like you know,
I know this is probably a simplistic take, but I just I feel like
there's just an abuse. Like you say, there's hidden law, but that's
done because there's no respect for due process here anymore for your political enemies.
So we have to come up with some sort of system and rules, and
the Supreme Court needs to do it where we don't have this happen again.
At least. Yeah, that's how I see it. I do want to
say, forgive me, we do still have means to take this on,
regardless of if it's a Republican president or a Democrat president. We have impeachment
and we have the ballot box. These are very powerful tools to fight against
corruption. And you know it's not I actually liked how we handled the immunity
thing previously too, where it kind of kept people worried, you know,
they didn't want to test it. Democrats unfortunately through all those guide guardrails out
and just decided to destroy everything. But I'm not so worried about it because
you can still, like you can choose whether or not to vote for Donald
Trump, or you can choose whether or not to try to impeach him or
Yeah, I mean the remedy for sure, the remedy for abuse of powers,
impeachment and removal. Same thing for Supreme Court, by the way,
and other other offices. And you know, I just had this quote from
Canon I wanted to read, so she had a lengthy opinion explaining everything that
was going on. But she said, the Court is convinced that Special Counsel
Smith's prosecution of this action breaches two structural cornerstones of our constitutional scheme of Congress
in the appointment of constitutional officers and the role of Congress in authorizing expenditures by
law, So someone can tell Biden about that when it comes to the student
loan forgiveness plan. That is interesting. But I'm sorry. So anyways,
like this, it means that there won't be that We're not this won't happen
because obviously it'll be appealed, probably go to Supreme Court. Right, but
it's not going to happen before November. I mean, you can't put this
trial on. It's done. Yeah, that was their it. Yeah.
Yeah, but you know, Jason Willock at the Washington Post had a great,
peace very fair minded columnist in my opinion, Yeah, and it was
about the hubris and zelotry of Merrick Garland and Jack Smith just crashing down before
them with how they had gotten pushed back in this immunity decision. This also
is a good example of that. They were hebristic, they were zealous,
they were not judicial, they were not prudential, and they are now being
embarrassed and that's okay. That's okay. So we have no culture. We
spoke yesterday, but we will be back next week to talk more and we'll
talk more about the convention and what happened until them be Love is a freedom
and anxious for their prey,