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This morning it has been clear, sunny, started out cool and crisp,
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last week we discussed IPAC and their control over our government, and Emily's list
was the next one in the crosshairs. It's interesting because they had a lot
more control and power up until about the last year or two. I think
some of the loopholes they actually did use were closed up. They're not quite
as prevalent However, their story is very important. It ties directly into the
population control agenda, planned parenthood, that type of thing. So I wanted
to combine this early eugenics and depopulation agenda and bring it forth into Emily's list
and the people involved with that and their number one priority, which is putting
female pro abortion individuals in to Congress. That is their number one goal.
And you'll hear the stats a little later, and it probably won't surprise you,
but you should be alarmed. And again, this whole eugenics depopulation agenda,
I think many of you know, goes back to the mid nineteenth century
with Sir Francis Galton, who was related to Charles Darwin. I think it
was his cousin, and then of course you had Darwinism, eugenics and all
of this stuff, and you know, they announced that there's no such thing
as the power in prayer, and that evolved into the early nineteen hundreds with
the sterilization laws in the United States. Some still stand to this very day.
But I wanted to start off with two articles that we found. One
was from twenty years ago written by Lauren Morritt, and it puts the spotlight
on doctor Henry Kissinger, who recently left US back in November, but he
wrote, quote depopulation should be the highest priority of US foreign policy towards the
Third World. Now, that is a large reason why we do have so
much war. It is to depopulate what they to call Third world countries,
right, but at the same time to steal their resources. Research on population
control preventing future births is now being carried out secretly by biotech companies. Now,
I want you to remember that this article was written back in two thousand
and four. And there's a reason why I've chose this one because you fast
forward sixteen years after this was written, what went on in twenty twenty and
twenty twenty one. It makes a lot of sense. Now. Doctor Ignacio
Chappilla, a University of California microbologist microbiologists, excuse me, discovered that wild
coorn in remote parts of Mexico is contaminated with lab altered DNA. That discovery
made him a threat to the biotech industry. Now, Chappella was denied tenure
at UC Berkeley when he reported this to the scientific community. Despite the embarrassing
discovery that the UC Chancellor Birdall, who was denying him tenure was getting large
cash payments upwards of forty thousand dollars per year from the LAMB Lam Research Corporation
in Plano, Texas. Birdall served as president of Texas A and M University
before becoming Berkeley's president. Now, during a presentation about his case, Chappello
revealed that a spermicidal corn developed by a US company is now being tested in
Mexico. Males who unknowingly eat the corn produce non viable sperm, thus are
unable to reproduce. So again, this guy puts forth a presentation about this
spermoicidal corn developed by a company right here in the United States that was being
used in Mexico, which is basically, you know, when mails at the
corn, it gives them non viable sperm, and we have seen birth rates
fall off a cliff over the last few years. Now, depopulation is really
what it is. Now they put the cool sexy label on it as eugenics,
right, and it is the deliberate killing off of large segments of living
populations and was proposed for Third world countries under Carter's administration by the National Security
Council's ad Hoc Group on population policy. Now, remember Jimmy Carter was put
in place by the Rockefellers. They splashed his picture all over Time magazine.
They had the money and they got him into office, and basically was a
continuation of Nelson Rockefeller, who is the vice president under Gerald Ford. And
of course the Rockefellers are known eugenists who champion depopulation. Now, there was
National Security Memo two hundred that is dated April twenty fourth, nineteen seventy four,
and it's titled Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for US Security and Overseas Services.
Now, doctor Henry Kissinger proposed in his memorandum to the NSC that depopulation
should be the highest priority towards the Third World. Now, again he quoted
reasons of national security, because the US economy will require large and increasing amounts
of minerals from abroad, especially from less developed countries. Whenever a lessening of
population can increase the prospects for such stability, population policy becomes relevant to resources
supplies into the economic interests of the United States. Now, depopulation policy became
a top priority during that time frame under the NSC agenda. The Club of
Rome, who we've mentioned many times on this podcast, and several US policy
makers who were big at the time, Alexander Haig, Cyrus Vance, Ed
Muski, and of course the rat himself, Henry Kissinger. Now, according
to an NSC spokesman at the time, the United States shared the view of
former World Bank President Robert McNamara there's his name again, that the population crisis
is a greater threat to US national security interests than nuclear annihilation. So again
they're pushing that agenda as well. Now, in nineteen seventy five, Henry
Kissinger established a policy planning group in the United States Department Office of Population Affairs.
The Depopulation Global two thousand document for President Jimmy Carter was prepared. Now,
the names you're about to hear should not surprise you who was involved.
It was established again under Carter with the help of Henry Kissinger, Zignu,
Brazinski, who all have ties directly to the Rockefeller specifically David. Now you
have the Bush family, who we've covered a nauseum, the Harriman family,
the Wall Street business partners of Bush, and the Rockefellers are all the elites
of the American eugenics movement. Now everybody remembers Prince Philip's famous quote, and
of course Prince Philip was a member of the Bilderberg group. He said,
if I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to the Earth as
a killer virus to lower human population levels. And of course, when you
talk about depopulation, it's never them, It's never their family, right,
it's those nasty Third worlders, right. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who
has been a part of you know until his death from the sixties until his
death, has been a part of global depopulation, had been proposing funding and
building bioweapons level three and level four labs at many places around the US,
even on university campuses and intensely populated urban locations. And to all of our
new listeners who who thinks that, oh, are never our government would never
do anything like that, go back and listen to our podcast on Operation Sea
Spray, where they deliberately sprayed the entire population of San Francisco. I believe
it was with this contaminant, and the hospitals were overrun for days. So
again, in a bioweapons level four facility, a single bacteria where virus is
lethal according to Science, Weapons Level four is the highest level legally allowed in
the continental United States. Now, are there bioweapon facilities in Ukraine? Well,
there certainly was, and they still have them on most continents. We
have them in Africa, we have them, I think in Kazakistan and other
places around the world. Now, again, for what purpose are these labs
being developed? They will tell you it's for science and to fight things.
What's the latest thing they're pushing? Right? The bird fool has jumped from
from birds to man. And you hear stories of this cow drinking milk and
it's eyes start to bleed in The propaganda that they are pushing is heavy and
heart And it will be interesting to see, folks that when they bring it
again, whatever form they bring it in, how the public will react.
Will they buy it like they did in twenty twenty? Will they plead for
a vaccine again? It will be interesting to see, right, who's making
these decisions on where bioweapons are created? Right? More than twenty world class
microbiologists have been murdered since two thousand and two, mostly in the United States
in the UK. Nearly all of them were working on a development of ethnic
specific bioweapons. Citizens around the US are frantically falling lawsuits to stop these labs
on campuses and in communities where they live. I wonder how many people know
that, you know, the animal testing place from Plumb Island moved into to
the middle of Kansas. I'm wonder how many people are aware of that,
or how many people even actually care. Right, they're so busy in the
matrix they probably don't even care. Despite the opposition of residents living near you
See Davis, where a bioweapons level four lab was planned, it had the
support of the town's mayor. Gee. I wonder why. I'm sure it
had nothing to do with the checks he was cashing. She, I should
say, because she suddenly reversed her position after a monkey escaped from a high
security primate facility on the campus where the bioweapons lab was proposed. Now,
residents claim that if you See Davis could not keep monkeys from escaping their cages,
well, then they could certainly not guarantee that a single virus or bacteria
would not escape from a test tube. The a well, monkey killed the
project. Now here's the thing. Population is a political problem with the elites.
That's why the very first rule you know on the Georgia Guidestones was keeping
the population at five hundred million in perpetual balance with nature, right, and
that was their kind way of putting we have way too many people now.
This extreme secrecy surrounding the takeover of all these things within our government and the
development of numerous bioweapons labs is a threat to our society, especially in the
hands of military incorporations. Now. I can't remember, I was reading the
news yesterday. I don't think it was Pfiser, but one of the big
pharmaceutical companies released their quarterly earnings and it was a loss of like a billion
dollars. Maybe it was Murk. I don't remember which one. But as
you're seeing, you know, with COVID finally officially behind us, these pharmaceutical
companies are taking a major hit. And I think part of that is also
the trust factor. Maybe more people are saying no to their annual vaccines,
which is a great thing, but at the same time that should put up
a warning sign for you to are they going to ramp up something this fall.
We know it's an election year, we know what's going on in Israel
and Palaestine. That Palestine that's ramp back up. I saw in the news
this morning that Russia was targeting They're trying to take out the comedian who acts
as a president Zelenski. You know, they're trying to rustle up these campus
protests. That's not getting any traction. So they're going to keep trying something
until it sticks. And when the pharmaceutical companies start losing money, that that
should raise a flag. Put on your critical thinking caps, because they may
try to spend something up. Now, this fastest application of all three of
these programs can be used to achieve this established US government depopulation policy goals.
And they want to eliminate a lot of people off the bat. I think
with twenty thirty they want to knock out at least two billion people of the
world's existing population. And how will they do it? War, famine and
disease and any other methods necessary. So you look what happened in the sixties
and early seventies, You look at the long term impact on not just the
military but the civilians population from Agent Orange in Vietnam where the Rockefellers built oil
of refineries and aluminum plants during the Vietnam War. And of course I think
it was DuPont that created Agent Orange and they made a lot of money off
the demise of millions of people. And then secondly, you have another permanent
contamination which is prevalent in the Middle East and Asia, right southwest Asia with
the depleted uranium. Again we've talked about it with desert Storm, with the
children of Fallujah, and what this does. It not only Greeks havoc on
the children, but it really destroys the genetic future of the populations that are
living in those regions, and that turns into this global effect. You know
that's already reflected in the increases of the infant mortality that is reported right here
in the US and Europe and in the United Kingdom. And I want to
go a little deeper before we get into Emily's list and a little bit about
planned parenthood and those people involved. And if I haven't mentioned it, we're
going to wrap this up with a it's about a twenty five minute interview from
nineteen fifty seven. I'm not sure if I've played this before, but this
is the sixty minutes interview nineteen fifty seven Mike Wallace with Margaret Sanger. And
I will tell you that the audio doesn't do it justice. I'm going to
put a link to the video because you can tell when evil people they're scratching,
they're moving, they're fidgeting. Just a evil person. But again,
Henry Kissinger, let's double down on him before we move along, founding member
of the elitist Trilateral Commission that really spawned today's drive toward technocracy, also known
as the UN's Sustainable Development. By the way, this article was written by
Brian Close, doctor Brian Close, June twenty third, twenty twenty one.
Kissinger was also force fed population control to the United Nations. Of course,
as we mention, infamous for the Kissinger Report in nineteen seventy four that laid
the groundwork. And again this article has direct correlations to what we saw in
twenty twenty Once again, it's modern genesis is almost fifty years old now at
the time of this writing, Kissinger was alive at ninety seven. I think
he was ninety eight or ninety nine. Twenty passed in twenty twenty three.
So again, December tenth, nineteen seventy four National Security Study Memorandum two hundred,
the Kissinger Report, and this document, again published shortly after the first
major international population conference in Bucharest. And when you hear who was actually on
board with this, I mean this has to finally start waking people up to
understand that our federal government and our federal agencies need to go. Right at
least you know your city, police, your county, they live in your
community. But when a three letter agency comes to your neighborhood but they reside
in another state or another place, that's not how it should be. And
these three letter agencies need to go. And all three of these have come
up numerous occasions on podcasts before the CIA, Why is the CIA involved in
a population conference? Why is USAID who we did a podcast on last fall,
they were involved, and the Departments of State, Defense and Agriculture,
remember agriculture. The last article we just read corn Mexico. A lot of
it's really sad. It's a sad state. Much of the food that is
in your grocery stores just poison. It's really sad. Now, this National
Security Study Memorandum two hundred was made public like when it was declassified and transferred
to the US National Archives in nineteen ninety, which is interesting because that happened
right before Desert Storm and the depleted uranium. And again, although the United
States government has issued hundreds of policy papers dealing with various aspects of the American
national security since nineteen seventy four, the Kissinger Report continues to be the foundational
document on US government population control. Right. That's why all these and I'm
talking both sides of the aisle, your Democrats and your Republicans, all of
them are championing war in the Middle East right now, how many of them
have you seen? And I'm talking even the most prevalent Republicans right that they're
championing this genocide. They're not praying for peace. They love this stuff and
they have to be in lockstep with it in order to be in their position
of power. And again it continues to represent this country's official policy on government
population control. And again that's twofold. They want to control the numbers and
they want to control us. And to this day you can still find the
Kissinger Report on the USAID website. N SSM two hundred is critically important to
pro life workers all over the world because it completely exposes this unsavory and unethical
motivations and methods of the population control movement. And you can see We're starting
to move from war and famine and these type of things disease into you know,
the killing of children and an abortion. Now, the primary purpose of
US government population control efforts is to maintain access to the mineral resources of less
developed up countries. With Iraq you have the oil. Afghanistan you have trillions
of mineral resources in the poppy seeds. The same with Libya. Iran has
a vast oil of wealth. They want that. We talked a few months
ago about the oil resources in Palestine and they've about routed them out. And
as sure as Monday follows Sunday, you will start to see in the very
near future, you know, Biden's going to act like a good hearted man.
We're going to bring all these Palestinians to America. All they're doing is
moving them out of their homeland and given that land to Israel, and they
we will start drilling for oil and making beachfront condos. It's horrible, but
the Kissinger Report states that the US economy will require large and increasing amounts of
minerals from abroad, especially from less developed countries. Right, and you start
to see the same thing going on. But in order to protect these US
commercial interest. SM two hundred cited a number of factors that could interrupt the
smooth flow of materials from these lesser developed countries to the United States. And
one of those hurdles is a large population of nationalists used in that country.
And in order for them to limit that, they would, you know,
population control, they would instill their population control measures. And we saw it
with Bill Gates in Africa. We saw it with Bill Gates in India.
Some of those polio vaccines decimated bloodlines down there. Now, the document identified
thirteen nations by name that would be the primary target of the US government under
the heading quote concentration on key countries. You're going to find this the assistance
for population moderation should give primary emphasis to the largest and fastest growing developing countries
where there is special US political and strategic interest. So again, if it's
a country with no resources, they do not care. But if there's a
country with mineral or oil resources things that can benefit us, they care.
So the thirteen countries are India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nigeria, Mexico,
Indonesia, Brazil, the Philippines, Thailand, Egypt, Turkey, Ethiopia,
and Colombia. We know what resources in Colombia that the CIA likes to kick
into the cities. Now. At the same time, the US will look
to the multilateral agencies, especially for the UN Fund for Population Activities, which
already has projects in over eighty countries, to increase population assistance on a broader
basis with increased US contributions. And again, this is a desire, varable
in terms of US interests and necessary in political terms. Now, again,
according to the Kissinger Report, elements of the implementation of government population control programs
could be number one, the legalization of abortion, financial incentives for countries to
increase their abortion, sterilization, and contraception use rates. And again, contraception
was still very risque in the fifties, and you'll hear that in the interview
with Mike Wallace and Margaret Sayer, such as withholding disaster and food aid unless
these countries implement population control programs. So, if you're a third world country
and the US is dangling a trillion dollars over your head and all you have
to do is institute these population control strategies, what do you think they're going
to do? That's what this country is all about. How do you think
they infiltrated the education system. They dangle a huge financial carrot in front of
every state each year, but if they take it, they have to keep
in line with their agenda. Now, this last strategy, this force and
coercion applied to developing countries, is currently used by the population control cartel to
not push only abortion sterilization, which goes back to is a bush Try that
again Bush versus Beck in nineteen twenty seven, I believe, and there are
still many states that have sterilization laws on board, and then of course birth
control. But look what the push has been for the last ten years,
this whole transgender movement. Right, there are dozens of examples of this kind
of blatant injustice. When Nigeria refused to legalize contraception and homosexuality, the United
States withdrew financial and military aid that would allow it to combat the Islamic terror
group Boco Horem, which is murdered and kidnapped tens of thousands of people in
that nation. You guys want to know who funded Boco Horam And then you
look what's going on in Niger now, right, we just put that on
the fact on her page. Where's that news story, Russian troops enter US
base in Niger, So the Niger government is kicking the US military out and
welcoming the Russian troops in. Look at Ecuador, which that country has changed
a lot recently, just this in the last few years. When Ecuador,
which again a Catholic country, when they declined to legalize abortion, the United
Nations refused to provide any aid for it. They didn't give it any COVID
nineteen money. When Kenyon pro lifers collected irrefutable evidence that Marie Stopes International one
of the largest abortionists in the world, which we need to cover them as
well. So much evil in the world, there's not enough time in the
day to cover it. Again, Marie Stops International one of the largest abortion
groups in the world. We're committing illegal and dangerous abortions on a vast scale.
The MSI demanded they either be muzzled or jailed. Then you have the
United Nations Population Fund, and there's a group from every country and the Population
Council just in the United States alone, where's that they're gross receipts for twenty
twenty two were three hundred and eighty nine million dollars And we've got to wrap
up the show. When I tell you how much money goes through these nonprofits
to kill babies, it should boil your blood more and more. The United
Nations Population of fund halted food and other aid to millions of starving Yemeni's because
the nation refused to legalize abortion. It's straight mobsters, is what it is.
It's gangster attitude. Look at Zambia when they refuse to legalize sodomy.
The United States withdrew much needed foreign aid to help alleviate the eleven percent national
HIV infection rate and to care for two hundred and fifty thousand AIDS orphans.
And then lastly, the Joint United Nations Program on AIDS threatened to withdraw all
of its aid from the Caribbean island of Saint Lucia unless it approved language supporting
abortion and homosexuality and a political declaration on HIV and AIDS. So it's bullying.
And this powerful population control cartel does not engage in charity whatsoever, and
we know every time they put a kind name on something, it's probably more
nefarious than anything. It freely employs thuggery and bullying to enforce its will.
And this Kissinger report also specifically declared that the United States must cover up its
population control activities and avoid charges of imperialism by inducing the United Nations and various
NGOs, specifically the Pathfinder Fund, the International Planned Parenthood Foundation, and the
Population Control to do its dirty work. Doctor Alan Gutmacher, one of the
most knowledgeable and active population suppression experts of all time, describes the strategy as
follows. My own feeling is that we've got to pull out all the stops
and involve the United Nations. If you're going to curb population, it's extremely
important not to have it done by the damned Yankee, but by the UN
because the thing is then it's not considered genocide. If the United States goes
to the black man or the yellow man and says, slow down your reproductive
rate, we're immediately suspected of having ulterior motives to keep the white man dominant
in the world. You can send it in a colorful UN force. You've
got much better leverage, and you should be very wary of the United Nations.
And it goes on. It talks about China, Peru, Uganda,
India. But let's get to the outline of the population control strategy again.
It explicitly lays out the detailed strategy strategy excuse me, by which the United
States government aggressively promotes population control in developing nations in order to regulate or better
have excess to the natural resources of these countries. And I think you know,
we've talked about much of the rest of this, but let's get to
this part. Is government population control necessary? There is growing awareness that the
world population explosion is over, or indeed that it never actually materialized in the
first place. And by the way, that is a rabbit hole that a
few people have gone down. Right, what's the current number seven seven and
a half billion people in the world. There's a lot of people who think
that that number is astronomically high. I mean, how do you prove it?
How you disprove it? Is the big question when the population is scare
began in the late sixties, when mind control was it as highest right.
The world population was increasing at a rate of more than two percent a year,
increasing at less than one percent a year, and now, as of
twenty twenty four, it has declined massively. The Kissinger Report predicted that the
population of the world would stabilize at about ten to thirteen ten to thirteen billion
people, and it's not even close to that even with the quote official numbers
now, with some demographers predicting that the world population would balloon as high as
twenty two billion people, which nowhere near now, it's estimated that by twenty
one hundred the population will level out around eleven billion, although many dependable estimates
put the peak population at a much lesser number. And there's a lot of
reasons for the de escalation of population. I think technology is one of them,
right working from home, less human interaction is the less of a chance
people have to find somebody, and I think obviously that was all part of
the COVID plan to promote what's going on right now, and part of that
is the reason why we have such a crisis within the banks. You just
saw another bank go under two weeks ago. The one in Philadelphia got picked
up by the bank and Williamsport. It's much of the problems we're having is
because of commercial real estate. There was a building in New York City that
last sold for forty four million dollars. A commercial real estate building sold for
forty four million dollars in twenty eighteen, and it went to auction last week
and sold for one point three million dollars. Commercial real estate is collapsing,
and the worldwide application of these strategies recommended by the Kissinger Report has resulted in
regional population growths decelerating so fast that they already caused severe economic and social problems
in Europe, the former Soviet Union, Japan, and that population crisis has
been in the news quite often. And many developing nations are now aging even
more rapidly than the developed world, which really foretells even more severe problems for
their relativity in underdeveloped economies. So these developed nations had the opportunity to become
rich before they became old. If a nation becomes old first, it will
never become rich. And from the very beginning, the concept of a population
explosion was really an ideologically motivated false alarm, specifically designed to allow rich nations
to pillage the resources of the poor nations. And we normally do it under
the guise of liberty. Right, We're going to bring freedom and democracy to
you, right after we take your oil and your resources and drop bombs all
over you. Which it's not a laughing matter, but it's a fact.
So the first step in such a massive change in policy is of course,
to change our vision and our values. Okay, in order to do this,
we must repudiate the old ways of thinking, repudiate the old ways of
thinking and out moded ways of accomplishing our objectives. Now, this report represents
the worst aspect of the advanced nations and meddling in the most intimate affairs of
less developed nations. And again it's the do as I say, not as
I do mantra amongst the elitists, which we need to stop using that word
elitis. We just need to use the word parasite, because that's really what
they are, advocating violations of the most precious freedoms and autonomy of the individual
through coercive family planning programs. And this report shows concern for the rights or
the welfare of individuals and nations, but it was conceived from the concept that
the United States has the right to unfettered access to the natural resources of developing
nations. In the United States and other nations of the developed world, as
well as ideologically motivated population control ENGOs which we're about to talk about, should
be supporting and guiding authentic economic development that allows the people of each nation to
use their resources for their own benefit, teaching them technology, thereby leading to
an enhancement of human rights worldwide, which would result in healthy economies for all.
And there is no human relationship closer or more intimate than those found in
family. Yet the developed world has spent more than one hundred and sixty bis
million dollars just since nineteen ninety, the last thirty four years attempting to control
the number of children born to families in developing nations through the widespread imposition of
abortion, sterilization, and birth control under the deceptive umbrella terms family planning services
and reproductive health. All that tens of millions of dollars of government population control
expenditures, it's just accomplished to make hundreds of millions of large poor families into
small poor families. And it's unfortunately left to our imagination of wonder what might
have happened if these resources had been invested in health, education, infrastructure,
and in research dedicated to finding peaceful strategies to transition nations from corrupt governance to
truly representative and accountable courts and public service sectors. Children are not an obstacle
to development, They are the hope for the future of any society. And
contrary to what Henry Kissinger and Margaret Sanger and Bill Gates and the Bush family
people are not the problem. They are the solution, right Jeremiah one to
five. Before I form THEE in the belly, I knew THEE. Yet
you're told at nauseum that we have too many people. Let's transition to Emily's
list, who from nineteen eighty five till the recent twenty twenty election very powerful.
They've waned off a bit, but it's important that we keep these kind
of people under the magnifying glass. What they are that were founded in nineteen
eighty by IBM Heiress Ellen Malcolm and a small group of her politically connected friends,
including the future Senator Barbara Boxer, the future Texas Governor Ann Richards,
and there was one other one. I think her name was Shalala Donna Shalala.
There you go, and the group operates as a federal pack political action
committee that bundles and gives contributions to pro abortion female Democratic candidates into office.
And very much like IPACK, not only are they able to get pro abortion
women democratic women into office, but they'll also use said money to crush their
opponent. If you're a pro lifer, they will spend the money to go
after you. Now, since its inception, Emily's List has given or bundled
over forty five million dollars to Democratic candidates or packs. Additionally, Emily's List
spun off the super Pac Women Vote, which has spent fifty million dollars to
independent expenditures in support of pro choice candidates right for those who support abortion.
And again they spend a lot of money against candidates just like IPEK. Now.
In twenty twenty, Emily's Lists claim to raise almost five hundred million dollars,
spent one hundred and sixty million dollars on independent candidate expenditures, endorsed eighteen
hundred women, and they helped one thousand women who champion abortion across the United
States get into office, and they trained almost fifteen thousand women to be candidates.
And left leaning which no Marxists, progressive, Marxist, whatever term you
want to use. I don't like left leaning. No, they've turned him
into communist political operatives. In October twenty twenty three, following the death of
Senator Dianne Feinstein, Governor Gavin Newsom appointed Emily's List president Lafonza Butler to fill
the late senators seat. Butler left her role to Emily's List to take her
seat in the Senate. So I mean, look at the people who are
in the Senate right now, the people who champion the sacrifice of children to
Moloch at the time of her nation excuse me. At the time of her
nomination to become California's junior senator, reports indicate that Butler resided in Maryland.
Emily's List has faced criticisms for using divisive, divisive tactics and supporting female candidates
in primary elections. The most notable exam example of this was in two thousand
and eight, when Emily's List signed on early to support Hillary Clinton's campaign and
proceeded to criticize Barack Obama and feuded with other pro abortion groups for endorsing him.
As reporters for National Journal put it quote, Emily's List had a lot
writing on Hillary's two thousand and eight candidacy, and her defeat called in to
question the very core of Emily's List strategy, and Emily's List would come back
in twenty and sixteen and once again put many more candidates at the local,
at the state and the federal level, and they have continued done to do
that. It was a huge pack from eighty five again until twenty twenty one
there have been for once there was a titanum of some loopholes. So I
think what Emily's List was doing was they had had their website set up so
you could directly contribute to the individual person. Then you could come back to
the website and make a contribution to them, and then they would donate to
them. So I guess that got called out on that. Now Emily.
The name Emily's List, it's not named after anybody, it's an acronym for
early money is like yeast. And the amount of money they have raised to
put again these far left progressive Marxist ideologists into office who are writing laws and
again we have eight thousand pages did I say eight thousand? We have eight
hundred thousand pages of federal law right now. We don't need more, we
need less. And these are evil people. And if you look at the
history of Barbara Boxer, Ann Wexler, Donna Shalala, and especially Shalala and
the board she was on Saleila, I had an article up here she was
on She shot down a law Back in twenty nineteen, Florida passed a law
where they could order drugs from other countries if it was cheaper. Still had
to meet FDA guidelines, but she shot it down. At the time,
she was Clinton's Health and Human Services secretary, and Congress passed a law.
Clinton signed it, basically again allowing the importation of FDA approved drugs from foreign
countries. Still had to meet FDA guidelines, but it saved people a lot
of money. She didn't allow it to happen. Again, very evil people
who are loyal to those who line their pockets. But again, at the
end of it, Emily's List is all about putting women in office, not
just democratic women in office. But they have to be a champion of abortion
now. Jennifer Taylor wrote this article twenty years ago. Again, Emily's List
was around since eighty five, didn't really become a household name till the last
few years, but she kind of got involved, made a few phone calls
and saw the ugly side of them, and again one of the most powerful
packs of the recent twenty years. She interviewed doctor Ellen Malcolm again the founder
and she says, We're huge, and she knows it. They worked to
elect pro abortion women. In two thousand election alone, the members of Emily's
Lists, numbering more than sixty eight thousand, contributed more than nine point three
million to female candidates who support abortion. The organization also raised eleven million for
its Women Vote initiative, which was an election effort designed to bring Democratic pro
abortion women voters to the polls, especially in battleground state and in the eight
elections since the Pax inception, eleven pro abortion Democratic female senators have been put
in, fifty three congresswoman and four governors have been elected thanks to the help
of Emily's List and Women Vote, And because of this you have pro abortion
women are now hammering out public policy on a variety of issues, going from
restricting our Second Amendment rights to this reproductive right push. It began in eighty
five when twenty five women assembled in the basement of Ellen Malcolm's home to write
letters telling their friends of a network they were forming to raise money for pro
abortion democratic women seeking public office. And again they pioneered this practice of bundling,
which I explained to you earlier. For example, in Michigan, Prior
to the Public Act two fifty of two thousand and one, Emily's Lists circumvented
the law's thirty four thousand dollars sealing by bundling together solicited campaign contributions made payable
to individual campaigns. So these bundles were then forwarded onto the candidates without reference
to the thirty four thousand that was already donated by Emily's List. Although the
Public Act two fifty of two thousand and one did put a stop to bundling
in the state of Michigan, there are laws in many other states that do
not play such limitations on packs like Emily's List. And why would you do
so, especially if you're in office? Why would you want to cut down
on your money? Even the McCain fine Gold Federal Campaign Finance Reform Bill,
recently signed into law by President Bush again this was written in two thousand and
two, does not prohibit or even limit bundling. Now, Emily's List understands
the seductive influence of power or not to mention money, that this pack exists
to enable women to help other women attain power like minded women right those who
champion abortion, and this power often entices women in our culture to choose a
career over having a family, but more astonishingly, to choose to kill their
own children and feel okay about it or even noble about doing so. Not
only that it convinces them to work for the legalization of the killing of other
people's children as well. Power so the propaganda goes does not lie in the
courageous decision to become a mother, but in the choice to abort a baby
in order to preserve a lifestyle of corporate advancement and personal pleasure. And the
success of Emily's List is also attributed to the fact that its staff understands exactly
what the group's mission is and what it takes to accomplish It's done, so
it's quite obvious just the numbers we proposed, and its website details that it
only hires staff from among the brightest in our nation. They have to have
women with managerial expertise, extensive campaign experience, fundraising success savvy social media skills,
and then Emily's List uses this powerhouse staff to seek out viable pro abortion
candidates and prepare them for a victory through its own state and legislative training program.
They have a very deep training program that they provide for the people they
hand pick. The PAX Elections success record is a result of these well run
training programs and the ability to recruit scores of members to fund Emily's List and
the individual candidates the group brings in donations by assembling members, whom they send
a detailed biography of each pro abortion women running for office. Members decide to
whom they wish to contribute. They make their checks directly payable to the individual
campaigns and then send them back to Emily's List. And Emily's List perpetuates the
lie that the right to choose necessitates a right to have an abortion and turns
women against their own offspring in the name of a feminist movement. Nature and
everything demands respect, and those who violate her laws seldom's violate them with impunity
Emily's Lists. You know, the real power of this is the author The
real power of being a woman is that which comes from using your strength to
protect and nurture. The defense lifts above all the preborn child nestled in the
womb. So again, you look at the article from UPI just two years
ago, or Ruters excuse me, Reuters June fifteenth, twenty twenty two.
US abortions rose in twenty twenty, with about one in five pregnancies being terminated.
The number and rate of US abortions increased from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty
after a long decline, according to figures released Wednesday. The report from the
Gutmacher Institute, a research group that supports abortion rights, counted more than nine
hundred and thirty thousand abortions in twenty twenty. And then, of course there's
the number in New York City in twenty twenty, there was more abortions than
birth. And all these people again following the footsteps of Margaret Sanger, and
you look at the Margaret Sanger Awards and the people who receive them, the
Rockefellers, even Martin Luther King Junior. I think he was the first one,
the Clintons, all of these people, the Rockefellers. I'm going down
the list here because I know there's a name I'm forgetting that I really wanted
to point out. Oh, Ted Turner, shocker, Jane Fonda, shocker,
on and on and on. Oh and of course Hillary Clinton, right,
so the finest and Pelosi got it in twenty fourteen. So the finest
of Americans right throughout our history. I received this award. And then lastly,
you look at the money that is thrown at that Again, Planned Parenthood.
We pulled there nine to ninety from twenty twenty two, and they had
gross receipts of five hundred and sixty million dollars five hundred and sixty million dollars
to support packs, to get both local, state and freederal officials to push
abortion, and then of course to even they're more than happy to pay for
your abortion if you can't afford it. I mean, And again you go
back to if you took this money that they're throwing at, you know,
killing children, what they could do to benefit people's lives. And then you
have the Population Council Incorporated out of New York. Their grocery seats are close
to four hundred million dollars USA. For UNFPA their grocery seats are only about
five million dollars. But all of these companies that they put so much time,
work and effort into convincing women that abortion is right for them. And
again all this stuff is anti God. It really is who tells us to
go forth and mold apply these numbers are staggering. When you look at the
escalation of the abortion numbers, the decline of the population numbers, the birth
rates, it should raise a bell, really should. So there you go.
That's basically from depopulation to Emily's list planned parenthood. And now you're going
to hear about a twenty five minute interview with Mike Wallace with Margaret Sanger from
I Believe nineteen fifty seven and we'll see you Thursday night. We have one
story that's going to alarm you. This right, the Bible tells us that
if you follow Christ, you'll be persecuted. Well, it reared its ugly
head last week and once again with this article they are slowly implementing, which
you know, I guess I would say I never thought i'd see in my
lifetime. But after twenty twenty, the world really changed, Like there was
an evil that took over the world, like nine to eleven changed the world,
but twenty twenty really, yeah, I think you could feel the evil.
Like they said, we're just not going to hide it anymore. So
there you go, Thank you for your continued support. Stay for the next
twenty five minutes, listen to the interview, and we'll see you Thursday night.
God bless you. Keep your head on a swivel, and until we
meet again, my friends, we'll see you without any further ado. Here
is Mike Wallace and now our story. When missus Margaret Sanger opened the first
birth control clinic in the United States back in nineteen sixteen, birth control was
a dirty word. The police threw her into jail, as they were to
do seven more times during her crusade, a crusade that still faces the reasoning
but unalterable opposition of the Roman Catholic Church. That crusade kept Missus Sanger away
from her children for long periods, it helped to break up her first marriage,
and she suffered constant, harrowing social abuse. Missus Sanger, in view
of all of that, let me ask you this, first of all,
why did you do it? I realized that you had an intellectual conviction that
birth control was a boon de man kind. But I'm sure that others have
that conviction too, And so what I'd like to know is this, what
events, what emotions in your life made Margaret Sanger a crusader for birth control.
Well, mister Wallace, is hard to say that any one thing his
made won't do this or that. I think from the very beginning. Ah,
I came with a large family. My mother died young, eleven children,
made depression on me as a child, I was a trained nurse,
went among the people. I saw women who asked to have some means whereby
they wouldn't have to have another pregnancy too early, last abortion, which many
of them had. Sort of a number of things that are one after the
other that really made you feel that you had to do something. There are
some other possible reasons that suggest themselves. On reading Your Boy of your biography
by Lawrence Later, your mother, as you say, died prematurely after burying
eleven children. She was born a Catholic, was she not? She was
born a cast, a cast and you're an Ireland Your father was a sort
of a village atheist who clashed with church authorities, and because of his atheism,
his earnings dwindled. Under community Prussia, you and your brothers and sisters
were known as quote children of the devil end quote. Could it be then
that in part at least you were driven emotionally toward the birth control movement because
of antagonism toward the church, because that was a way to fight the church.
Now, I don't want to think I had anything of the kind of
mind I was, uh, I what I would call a born humanitarian.
I don't like to see people suffer. I don't like to see cruelty,
even to this day, and in nursing you see a great deal of cruelty
and unnecessary suffering. At that time, there was no opposition as far as
the church was concerned, any church. It is mainly the law, the
federal law and state laws. If one had you to think of the church
was not in my mind at all. Well, then going after your motive
then, and I will press you just a little bit more about that and
then get to the specifics of this evening. But in your motive in the
movement, is it possible that the movement itself, the feeling of wanting to
do anything that you felt was important, that perhaps that moved you a good
deal, Because the fact remains that you led a movement against overwhelming pressures that
stemmed back for centuries, and in doing so, according to your autobiography,
you even left your first husband. And you wrote this to a friend,
Missus Sanger. You said, where is the man to give me what the
movement gives in joy and interest and freedom. Now what was this joy,
this freedom that you craved. Well, I don't remember that letter the food
was written, but I think that it was not uh a question of the
of marriage at all. There was uh a certain satisfaction in uh doing something
that was going to alleviate the sufferings of women in particular. And I was
quite a feminist at the time of and uh yes and uh uh I naturally
didn't want to see women take all the suffering of child bearing and her pregnancies.
So it was a pleasure in a sense. I think that you were
m striking uh at an archaic law, which it was and was putting on
the statute books by Anthony Comstocks from years ago, and uh no one had
stood up against it. No one had had uh tried to uh uh to
change the laws. And at that time, not even a doctor had a
right to use the United States nails and common carriers for books, for learning,
for anything that he had to do. With this question, it was
considered obscene. The whole question was of considered of seeing, mister Sanger,
you have helped to spread the birth control movement, not only here in the
United States, but in Europe and the orient as well. Why why is
birth control of such vital importance internationally? Is it just to say women suffering
is not the only reason in your mind? Well, not entirely. The
population question is a great concern today and the race at which uh the birth
births come in to the we're saving them now. At one time when children
died, they didn't have the food U. Today, our population all over
the world is getting certainly better consideration and better conditions than they had at the
time that I was there. I went to every contry because I was invited,
and uh I didn't spread go into the country myself. I was invited
go to Japan and uh uh to speak there, to have eight lectures.
I'm a question of birth control and peace. Well, do you believe that
birth control is essential if we want to keep millions of people across the world
from starving? Is that your thesis? Say it again? Do you feel
that birth control is essential to keep millions of people across the world from starting?
Well, I think the birth control if you keep your population uh more
or less static until you pick up your resources, certainly you'll prevent their starving.
Well, what's more important birth control or picking up the resources. Well,
picking up the resources, there's just a limit to that too. There's
just so much take Japan and she cannot feed. They've had the best experts
to come there when MacArthur was there, and the best experts is saying they
have twenty million more people and they can feed. She's got a he fared
outside and some in some way, she got to have that kind of help
if she's going to keep from for the fighting. But certainly around the world.
Uh, there is potential agricultural land that is not being properly used now.
Just this past year, on May twenty first, The New York Times
summarized an important study of the world's food resources made by Professor James Bonner of
the California Institute of Technology. Professor Bonna says the world is not using one
billion acres of potential agricultural land, and he adds that if this land were
used and present agricultural land were improved, the entire world could be fed adequately
even if the population increased by one third in the next fifty years. Oh
mister, well, as you hear so many, Oh mister, well,
as you hear so many fantastic things. What can happen, what may happen?
This? And that I've heard it from the last thirty years. Any
rate could be done, but it's never done. And the thing is,
what is it now? As we've got today? A very Singuish woman spoke
to me about Arizona, and she said, I wish you wouldn't talk about
population. Said all the population of the United States could be put in one
state. And I said what state? She said, Arizona. I said,
you do ever here of Collechi. She didn't know that I was talking
about the delicatessen or a watch. I said, well, Cllechi, it's
harder than any rock, and it is with about three inches below the ground
where it looks beautiful. It looks if you could have food. It looks
if you could have corn or wheat or cotton. But as a matter of
fact, you have to dynamite callechi out of the ground, which in order
to have a little shrug, you know, a little grass or a few
flowers. So many problems that when it comes to that, and the demographers,
I never heard of anyone that would agree with that. If we could
have another uh in the world, another third, well, you say that
originally the opposition was in all law, and you have to fight again that
today your opposition stems mainly from where? From what source? Well, I
think that the opposition UH is mainly from the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church
of the Church. Well, nierarchy of the hierarchy of the church. You
feel that the parishioners themselves, the lay people in the church are not against
birth contry. I feel they come through all of our clinics just the same
as their non Catholics do, exactly the same. Well, let's look at
the official Catholic position opposition to birth control. I read now from a church
publication called the Question Box in forbidding birth control. It says the following.
It says, the immediate purpose and primary end of marriage is the begetting of
children. When the marital relation is so used as to render the fulfillment of
its purposes impossible, that is by birth control, it is used unethically and
unnaturally. Now, what's wrong with that position, Well, it's very wrong.
It's not normal. Is that UH has a wrong attitude toward marriage,
toward love, to the relationships between many women. Well, the natural law,
they say, is that first of all, the primary function of sex
and marriage is to beget children. With that help. Do you disagree with
that? I disagree with the one hundred percent. Your feeling is what they
My feeling is of love and the attraction between many women In many cases,
the very finest relationship has nothing to do with bearing a child the secondary many
many times we know that youty your birth rate. You talk to people who
are very happy marriages and they're not having babies every year. Yes, I
think that's a celibate attitude, purely a celibate attitude. But you agree that
Catholicism, according to the tenets of Catholicism, they rule the birth control violates
not only the church's position, it isn't the church's position, but they say
that it violates au natural law. As I have just explained. Therefore,
birth control is a sin no matter who practices it. Now, the violation
of the natural law. According you certainly can take no issue with the natural
law as the hierarchy of the UH Catholic Church regards it. Well, I
certainly do take issue with it, and I think it's untrue and I think
it's unnatural. Well, that marriage it out that it's an unnatural attitude to
take. And how do they know. I mean, after all the celibates,
they don't know love, they don't know marriage, they know nothing if
I bringing up children or any of the marriage problems of life, and yet
they speak to people as if they were God. Let me ask you this
question. Suppose a healthy, well to do couples decide, for some reason
never to have children, use birth control all their lives. Would you say
that your methods are being misused? Missus saying not? If they're intelligent people
and they had some reason for think that if children is responsibility, or they
some disease or they might have that they wouldn't like to pass on to a
child, and I think it would be a very uh, unselfish attitude for
them to take if there is a disease. No, I say, a
healthy well to do couple, a couple that just doesn't want children, and
for that reason they use birth control all the way. Do you think that
that is a as a misuse of your methods. I don't think it's a
misuse. I think it's if if they're intelligent adults, that they must know
what they want, they must manage their lives themselves, and certainly there's nothing
in birth control, then there is at other things that you might deny yourself.
I asked you your motives a little while ago at the beginning of the
program. Your motive is in working for birth control as hard as you have
for as many years as you have. You reject the principal Catholic argument against
birth control as being totally invalid. What do you think is the reason the
motive of the church in forbidding birth control? You'd have to ask Catholic that
I couldn't take their motive is well, I you you couldn't say officially what
their motive is, but you certainly must have an opinion about it. Missus
saying well, I'm not I didn't have much to do it with uh,
the hierarchy, or I know that the people that come to our organization and
want to have the same methods or whatever it is that one can have to
prevent a pregnancy. That those women will say to us, I if we
ask their religion very often and they say, I am a Catholic, I've
raised the Catholic Church of this. My church is wrong on this. This
is the one thing I will never be anything else but my church is wrong
and this one thing, and that is that over and over and over again.
So what the motive is? Well, you won't hazard a guess.
I don't care to thank you. May I ask you why now? I
know that in private and uh, in actually in public discussions. I think
prior to this time you have been willing to state your understanding of what the
motives of the church are. And now you would, uh, you would
rather remain silent. May I ask you why? Well, simply because I
don't think that uh uh, this church has changed in its attitude. Some
of the hierarchy have changed. You can't say the same thing that you might
have said a year ago or two years ago as to your belief or as
to your opinion. Have you heard it said that the reason that the church
is against birth control is because they want more Catholics. I've read it.
Do you believe it? Well? If they, if you read their papers
where they are quite out Boston, that that's what has happened in Boston in
Massachusetts they have simply I've read the Protestants and they're they're in Boston and Massachusetts
they have control. I've read that in their own papers. Yes, of
course, the church's answer the church's answer. And I read now from a
pamphlet published by the Redemptist of Redeptorist Fathers in Missouri, says as follows.
It says that point of view about wanting more Catholics is nonsense. Quote.
The Catholic Church does not command Catholic husbands and wives to have even one child.
The Church considers it more than normally meritorious for them to have no children
if they mutually and perpetually give up the use of the marriage right for the
love of God. All right, I don't quo what they what they do,
so they I think that they question in my mind is that they they
do and UH order their own people to where they wish. But I object
to their UH having the same rules for people who are not the same religion.
Well, they believe, you see that it is a natural law,
not a Catholic law, but a natural law, and therefore a sin not
just for Catholics, but a sin for all peoples. And I think that
there are other religious groups that very very orthodox views feel the same way about
birth control. Uh. Let's look at another argument against birth control, missus
Sayinger, published in Red Book magazine in March of nineteen fifty six. It
says birth control is a devastating social force which tends to weaken the moral fiber
of the community. Immunity from parenthood encourages promiscuity, particularly when unmarried persons can
so easily avail themselves of the device. Do you doubt that, I doubt
it? You do say to me, then let me read from a new
story in the Philadelphia Daily News on June tenth, nineteen forty two. The
story quotes you as urging the Women's Army Auxiliary Court to give its members quote
preventive measures against pregnancy end quote, and you add quote abortion and illegitimacy are
bound to result if the government doesn't recognize human nature end quote. In other
words, you were not advocating uh Christian morality, but rather ways for single
women to avoid bearing illegitimate children. Where was this taken? From Philadelphia Daily
News, June tenth, nineteen forty two, direct quote from Margaret Sacker,
I doubt it. I don't bear m mats it remark well. In the
same vein in your autobiography, which you cannot disavow, you wrote the following
about sexologist hailoch Ellis. You said he's been able to clim verify the question
of sex and free it from the smudginess connected with it from the beginning of
Christianity. Now why, well, what do you mean by the smudginess connected
with sex and why do you blame it on Christianity. Well, there's many
reasons, of course to say. If we have more records of it,
I go on Christianity, and I think I was speaking of Hablicellos as having
clarified the question of homosexuals, making the thing, uh, not exactly a
perverted thing, but uh thing that a person is born with, different kinds
of eyes, different kinds of a structure, and so forth. That he
didn't make all homosexuals uh, perverts, and I felt that he helped tarify
that. I felt that he helped verify that to the medical profession and to
the scientists of the world. Has perhaps one of the first ones to do
to do that. That is one of the things I meant in that,
mister sayer, do you disagree that Catholics or do you do you feel that
Catholics should not have a right to have a say when a city administration contemplates
spending their tax dollars on birth control or the dissemination of birth control information,
something the Catholics believe is simple. If they have a right to say,
Do you feel that they don't have a right to have a say when a
city administration contemplates spending their dollars tax dollars on birth control? For instance,
here in New York, Catholics comprise about forty five percent of our population.
They're the largest single group. Or don't you think they should have the democratic
right to lobby against having their money spent, their tax money spent for something
they considered evil. Well, I suppose they have a right, and they
certainly do it, but so have the others. They're they're only forty five
percent of the population, as that is now the majority, But they have
a right to get up, and certainly I have no objection to their having
them say no. But I think we should have the same right. I
say we, I mean non Catholics. Well, of course, this is
a little bit at variance with something that you told our reporter earlier this week.
Do you said earlier this week it's not only wrong, it should be
made illegal for any religious group to prohibit dissemination of birth control, even among
its own members. In other words, you would like to see the government
legislate religious beliefs in a certain sense where these strange things come to that I
said to me as what I should like to know when Well, now you
know that my reporter's been a good deal of time with you. He's a
very accurate young man. Yes, and this is a this is a this
is a specific quote. Well, I do think I've said it quite that
way. What are your religious beliefs, missus Sanger? Do you believe in
a god and the sense of a divine being who rewards or punishes people after
death? Well, I have a different attitude about the divine. I feel
that we have divinity within us, and the more we express the good part
of our lives, the more the divine within us expresses itself. I suppose
I would call myself aspion by uh by religion, and there's uh many other
uh If you traveled around the world, you've got quite a bit of the
feeling of uh all all religions have so much alike in the divine part of
our own being. And I suppose you just couldn't put that in a book
or you couldn't put it to a uh, a phrase or a sentence.
Do you believe in sin? When I say believe, I don't mean and
believe in committing sin. Do you believe there is such a thing as a
as sin? Well? I think the greatest sin in the world is bringing
children into the world that have n diseased from their parents, that have no
chance in the world to be a human being. Practically, delinquents, prisoners,
all sorts of thing can just mark when they're born. That to me
is the greatest sin that people can can commit. But sin in the ordinary
sense that we regard it. Do you believe or do you not believe?
Well? Fat, what would they be? Do you believe it infidelity is
a sin? Well? I do. I'm not gonna specify, but I
think the sin I've stated, but I think it's we're sin. Yes,
you see, And then you asked me to say what and I and I
said what and I and uh, you refuse to answer me. Yes,
I don't know about the fidelity. It has so many personalities to it and
what person's own belief is. You can't I couldn't generalize any of those things
as it has been sin murderers. Well, that's naturally think murdererser there's the
sinner, not it's a terrible act. In just a moment, Missus Sanger,
I'd like to ask you about another social problem here in the United States,
divorce. Nearly four hundred thousand couples get divorced in this country each year,
and i'd like to get your views on the cause and possible prevention of
this problem. That we'll get Missus Sanger's answer to that question in just sixty
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hundred thousand divorces or annulments in America to each year. What and this is
hard to do in the short time of course that we have. What would
you recommend to cut down our divorce rate? Well as uh, a great
benevoxtics are including in the work UH that they do in great control connings having
marriage counseling. So when the woman or the man come and complain of their
marriage on the skills, we invite them to come and have special talks with
some of our psychiatrists or others who are making a study of that all over
the country where we have about five hundred clinics, they almost thought include uh,
marriage counseling and marriage direction. May I, may I ask you this?
Could it be that women in the United States have become too independent that
they've followed the lead of women like Margaret's Sanger by neglecting family life for a
career. Let me quote from your biography describing your second marriage to Noah Sleeve
quote in New York. Missus Sanger maintained every pause of their compact active independence.
They had separate apartments. They telephoned each other for dinner or theater engagements
or pass notes back and forth. Would you call this a sound formula for
marriage? Who was it? Saying? Uh? Different people? Yes,
it certainly was for me and for my husband. We had a very happy
marriage. Consulate he had drink friends than I had. And uh, I
don't believe in forcing the for all we were two adults and uh forcing your
friends and uh another person whom they have an entirely different book. It's worked
out very well. I know that it did. You have two sons.
One final question? You have two sons? How many children have they?
Would you like to see them? I would indeed as well? How many
children? That's six in this family, five boys to girl in that family
and in the other family two girls, two girls, Miss Sanger, I
thank you so much for taking time out and coming and talking to us here
this evening, and so wells. I've never smoked, but I'm gonna begin
to take up smoking. And h and you still mars a cigarette for me
to take it. Well, I thank you very much, Miss the same.
Indeed, in the eyes of some Margaret Sanger has been a heroine.
In the eyes of others, she's been a destructive force. The purpose of
this interview has been not, of course, to try to resolve this issue,
but to open it to a little sensible discussion. This was done with
the feeling that all of us, regardless of our beliefs, can do nothing
but profit from a free exchange of ideas. You're listening to the Fact Hunter
Radio Network. Just the facts, ma'am.