WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:43.399 The following presentation is Del Marvis Studio's production Welcome back truth Seekers from around the 2 00:00:43.439 --> 00:00:47.119 world. It's time for another edition of The Fact on the podcast. As 3 00:00:47.200 --> 00:00:52.479 we record on this Tuesday, May seventh, twenty twenty four, and I 4 00:00:52.479 --> 00:00:54.719 think, like a lot of you folks, the weather's been all over the 5 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:58.719 place the last four or five days, lots of rain, high humidity. 6 00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:02.840 This morning it has been clear, sunny, started out cool and crisp, 7 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:07.719 and as the morning has progressed, the humidity has climbed, and we're expecting 8 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:11.920 more showers this afternoon and this evening. I think the chickens are tired of 9 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:15.799 it, but you know, it's very important for our crops obviously, so 10 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:19.719 we're happy to get rain anytime that we do. So. Again, I 11 00:01:19.719 --> 00:01:23.439 hope this podcast finds you well. I hope everybody had a great weekend. 12 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:29.599 As we chug along here, we're already twenty five percent of the way through 13 00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:38.599 this month and looking forward to bringing new content today Thursday, which some more 14 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:45.359 interesting news. This attack on Christianity continues. One of our listeners dropped a 15 00:01:45.400 --> 00:01:52.400 link in the chat room comparing Christianity to domestic terrorism. All these people were 16 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:57.280 carrying pictures of Jesus, and they had Bible verses. It's just really the 17 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:01.599 narrative that they are putting out there is I mean, look, it's biblical. 18 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:05.959 We knew it was only a matter of time when this was gonna come, 19 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:08.479 and I believe as this year progresses, we're going to see more of 20 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:13.240 it. More on that Thursday night before we kick off today's program. Just 21 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:17.439 a reminder thefact Unter dot com. Check out the new website, all new 22 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:23.400 radio streaming, new content. Check out the chat room. It's been busy, 23 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:28.319 and of course our blog. We've been dropping some knowledge there about once 24 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:31.360 a day. Again, that's the fact Hunter dot com. Questions, comments, 25 00:02:31.400 --> 00:02:35.280 concerns. You'd like to join us right here on the podcast, hit 26 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:38.240 us up on email the fact Hunter at mail dot com. Again, it's 27 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:45.400 the fact Hunter at mail, not gmail dot com. So you know, 28 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:53.159 last week we discussed IPAC and their control over our government, and Emily's list 29 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:57.960 was the next one in the crosshairs. It's interesting because they had a lot 30 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:02.199 more control and power up until about the last year or two. I think 31 00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:07.039 some of the loopholes they actually did use were closed up. They're not quite 32 00:03:07.039 --> 00:03:12.319 as prevalent However, their story is very important. It ties directly into the 33 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:17.319 population control agenda, planned parenthood, that type of thing. So I wanted 34 00:03:17.360 --> 00:03:24.560 to combine this early eugenics and depopulation agenda and bring it forth into Emily's list 35 00:03:25.240 --> 00:03:30.400 and the people involved with that and their number one priority, which is putting 36 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:38.400 female pro abortion individuals in to Congress. That is their number one goal. 37 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:45.719 And you'll hear the stats a little later, and it probably won't surprise you, 38 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:51.719 but you should be alarmed. And again, this whole eugenics depopulation agenda, 39 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:54.919 I think many of you know, goes back to the mid nineteenth century 40 00:03:55.280 --> 00:04:01.599 with Sir Francis Galton, who was related to Charles Darwin. I think it 41 00:04:01.639 --> 00:04:06.000 was his cousin, and then of course you had Darwinism, eugenics and all 42 00:04:06.039 --> 00:04:10.879 of this stuff, and you know, they announced that there's no such thing 43 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:15.519 as the power in prayer, and that evolved into the early nineteen hundreds with 44 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:23.040 the sterilization laws in the United States. Some still stand to this very day. 45 00:04:24.319 --> 00:04:29.519 But I wanted to start off with two articles that we found. One 46 00:04:29.560 --> 00:04:33.240 was from twenty years ago written by Lauren Morritt, and it puts the spotlight 47 00:04:33.319 --> 00:04:40.759 on doctor Henry Kissinger, who recently left US back in November, but he 48 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:47.439 wrote, quote depopulation should be the highest priority of US foreign policy towards the 49 00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:54.319 Third World. Now, that is a large reason why we do have so 50 00:04:54.480 --> 00:05:00.680 much war. It is to depopulate what they to call Third world countries, 51 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:08.120 right, but at the same time to steal their resources. Research on population 52 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:14.439 control preventing future births is now being carried out secretly by biotech companies. Now, 53 00:05:14.439 --> 00:05:17.199 I want you to remember that this article was written back in two thousand 54 00:05:17.240 --> 00:05:21.240 and four. And there's a reason why I've chose this one because you fast 55 00:05:21.319 --> 00:05:26.879 forward sixteen years after this was written, what went on in twenty twenty and 56 00:05:26.959 --> 00:05:30.680 twenty twenty one. It makes a lot of sense. Now. Doctor Ignacio 57 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:38.879 Chappilla, a University of California microbologist microbiologists, excuse me, discovered that wild 58 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:46.399 coorn in remote parts of Mexico is contaminated with lab altered DNA. That discovery 59 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:51.920 made him a threat to the biotech industry. Now, Chappella was denied tenure 60 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:59.399 at UC Berkeley when he reported this to the scientific community. Despite the embarrassing 61 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:05.959 discovery that the UC Chancellor Birdall, who was denying him tenure was getting large 62 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:15.079 cash payments upwards of forty thousand dollars per year from the LAMB Lam Research Corporation 63 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:20.199 in Plano, Texas. Birdall served as president of Texas A and M University 64 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:28.800 before becoming Berkeley's president. Now, during a presentation about his case, Chappello 65 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:35.000 revealed that a spermicidal corn developed by a US company is now being tested in 66 00:06:35.120 --> 00:06:46.120 Mexico. Males who unknowingly eat the corn produce non viable sperm, thus are 67 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:55.480 unable to reproduce. So again, this guy puts forth a presentation about this 68 00:06:55.759 --> 00:07:00.079 spermoicidal corn developed by a company right here in the United States that was being 69 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:08.160 used in Mexico, which is basically, you know, when mails at the 70 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:13.639 corn, it gives them non viable sperm, and we have seen birth rates 71 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:17.439 fall off a cliff over the last few years. Now, depopulation is really 72 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:23.120 what it is. Now they put the cool sexy label on it as eugenics, 73 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:30.319 right, and it is the deliberate killing off of large segments of living 74 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:40.160 populations and was proposed for Third world countries under Carter's administration by the National Security 75 00:07:40.199 --> 00:07:48.000 Council's ad Hoc Group on population policy. Now, remember Jimmy Carter was put 76 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:54.079 in place by the Rockefellers. They splashed his picture all over Time magazine. 77 00:07:54.079 --> 00:07:57.480 They had the money and they got him into office, and basically was a 78 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:03.639 continuation of Nelson Rockefeller, who is the vice president under Gerald Ford. And 79 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:11.000 of course the Rockefellers are known eugenists who champion depopulation. Now, there was 80 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:16.120 National Security Memo two hundred that is dated April twenty fourth, nineteen seventy four, 81 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:26.240 and it's titled Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for US Security and Overseas Services. 82 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:37.960 Now, doctor Henry Kissinger proposed in his memorandum to the NSC that depopulation 83 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:43.559 should be the highest priority towards the Third World. Now, again he quoted 84 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:52.399 reasons of national security, because the US economy will require large and increasing amounts 85 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:58.639 of minerals from abroad, especially from less developed countries. Whenever a lessening of 86 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:07.399 population can increase the prospects for such stability, population policy becomes relevant to resources 87 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:15.159 supplies into the economic interests of the United States. Now, depopulation policy became 88 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:20.679 a top priority during that time frame under the NSC agenda. The Club of 89 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:26.399 Rome, who we've mentioned many times on this podcast, and several US policy 90 00:09:26.440 --> 00:09:30.399 makers who were big at the time, Alexander Haig, Cyrus Vance, Ed 91 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:35.039 Muski, and of course the rat himself, Henry Kissinger. Now, according 92 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:39.759 to an NSC spokesman at the time, the United States shared the view of 93 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:48.120 former World Bank President Robert McNamara there's his name again, that the population crisis 94 00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:56.200 is a greater threat to US national security interests than nuclear annihilation. So again 95 00:09:56.480 --> 00:10:00.679 they're pushing that agenda as well. Now, in nineteen seventy five, Henry 96 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:09.240 Kissinger established a policy planning group in the United States Department Office of Population Affairs. 97 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:18.320 The Depopulation Global two thousand document for President Jimmy Carter was prepared. Now, 98 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:22.159 the names you're about to hear should not surprise you who was involved. 99 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:30.720 It was established again under Carter with the help of Henry Kissinger, Zignu, 100 00:10:30.759 --> 00:10:37.519 Brazinski, who all have ties directly to the Rockefeller specifically David. Now you 101 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:41.080 have the Bush family, who we've covered a nauseum, the Harriman family, 102 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:48.720 the Wall Street business partners of Bush, and the Rockefellers are all the elites 103 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:56.799 of the American eugenics movement. Now everybody remembers Prince Philip's famous quote, and 104 00:10:56.840 --> 00:11:00.799 of course Prince Philip was a member of the Bilderberg group. He said, 105 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:05.279 if I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to the Earth as 106 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:13.440 a killer virus to lower human population levels. And of course, when you 107 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:16.799 talk about depopulation, it's never them, It's never their family, right, 108 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:24.679 it's those nasty Third worlders, right. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who 109 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:28.679 has been a part of you know until his death from the sixties until his 110 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:35.080 death, has been a part of global depopulation, had been proposing funding and 111 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:43.960 building bioweapons level three and level four labs at many places around the US, 112 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:52.759 even on university campuses and intensely populated urban locations. And to all of our 113 00:11:52.879 --> 00:11:56.639 new listeners who who thinks that, oh, are never our government would never 114 00:11:56.639 --> 00:12:01.120 do anything like that, go back and listen to our podcast on Operation Sea 115 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:09.000 Spray, where they deliberately sprayed the entire population of San Francisco. I believe 116 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:16.639 it was with this contaminant, and the hospitals were overrun for days. So 117 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:20.639 again, in a bioweapons level four facility, a single bacteria where virus is 118 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:26.799 lethal according to Science, Weapons Level four is the highest level legally allowed in 119 00:12:26.840 --> 00:12:33.720 the continental United States. Now, are there bioweapon facilities in Ukraine? Well, 120 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:37.519 there certainly was, and they still have them on most continents. We 121 00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:41.240 have them in Africa, we have them, I think in Kazakistan and other 122 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:45.799 places around the world. Now, again, for what purpose are these labs 123 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:50.639 being developed? They will tell you it's for science and to fight things. 124 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:54.080 What's the latest thing they're pushing? Right? The bird fool has jumped from 125 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:58.279 from birds to man. And you hear stories of this cow drinking milk and 126 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:03.200 it's eyes start to bleed in The propaganda that they are pushing is heavy and 127 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:07.600 heart And it will be interesting to see, folks that when they bring it 128 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:11.679 again, whatever form they bring it in, how the public will react. 129 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:15.799 Will they buy it like they did in twenty twenty? Will they plead for 130 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:24.000 a vaccine again? It will be interesting to see, right, who's making 131 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:31.080 these decisions on where bioweapons are created? Right? More than twenty world class 132 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:37.000 microbiologists have been murdered since two thousand and two, mostly in the United States 133 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:41.519 in the UK. Nearly all of them were working on a development of ethnic 134 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:50.879 specific bioweapons. Citizens around the US are frantically falling lawsuits to stop these labs 135 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:54.919 on campuses and in communities where they live. I wonder how many people know 136 00:13:56.080 --> 00:14:01.080 that, you know, the animal testing place from Plumb Island moved into to 137 00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:03.600 the middle of Kansas. I'm wonder how many people are aware of that, 138 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:07.240 or how many people even actually care. Right, they're so busy in the 139 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:13.200 matrix they probably don't even care. Despite the opposition of residents living near you 140 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:16.799 See Davis, where a bioweapons level four lab was planned, it had the 141 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:20.879 support of the town's mayor. Gee. I wonder why. I'm sure it 142 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:26.039 had nothing to do with the checks he was cashing. She, I should 143 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:31.679 say, because she suddenly reversed her position after a monkey escaped from a high 144 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:37.480 security primate facility on the campus where the bioweapons lab was proposed. Now, 145 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:43.000 residents claim that if you See Davis could not keep monkeys from escaping their cages, 146 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:48.840 well, then they could certainly not guarantee that a single virus or bacteria 147 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:52.879 would not escape from a test tube. The a well, monkey killed the 148 00:14:52.960 --> 00:15:00.919 project. Now here's the thing. Population is a political problem with the elites. 149 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:07.559 That's why the very first rule you know on the Georgia Guidestones was keeping 150 00:15:07.559 --> 00:15:15.360 the population at five hundred million in perpetual balance with nature, right, and 151 00:15:15.399 --> 00:15:18.120 that was their kind way of putting we have way too many people now. 152 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:26.399 This extreme secrecy surrounding the takeover of all these things within our government and the 153 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:33.960 development of numerous bioweapons labs is a threat to our society, especially in the 154 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:39.159 hands of military incorporations. Now. I can't remember, I was reading the 155 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:43.080 news yesterday. I don't think it was Pfiser, but one of the big 156 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:50.360 pharmaceutical companies released their quarterly earnings and it was a loss of like a billion 157 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:54.440 dollars. Maybe it was Murk. I don't remember which one. But as 158 00:15:54.480 --> 00:16:00.200 you're seeing, you know, with COVID finally officially behind us, these pharmaceutical 159 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:04.639 companies are taking a major hit. And I think part of that is also 160 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:10.759 the trust factor. Maybe more people are saying no to their annual vaccines, 161 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:15.480 which is a great thing, but at the same time that should put up 162 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:21.559 a warning sign for you to are they going to ramp up something this fall. 163 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:25.559 We know it's an election year, we know what's going on in Israel 164 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:30.360 and Palaestine. That Palestine that's ramp back up. I saw in the news 165 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:37.159 this morning that Russia was targeting They're trying to take out the comedian who acts 166 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:45.639 as a president Zelenski. You know, they're trying to rustle up these campus 167 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:51.480 protests. That's not getting any traction. So they're going to keep trying something 168 00:16:51.559 --> 00:16:56.120 until it sticks. And when the pharmaceutical companies start losing money, that that 169 00:16:56.200 --> 00:17:00.080 should raise a flag. Put on your critical thinking caps, because they may 170 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:06.119 try to spend something up. Now, this fastest application of all three of 171 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:12.000 these programs can be used to achieve this established US government depopulation policy goals. 172 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:18.200 And they want to eliminate a lot of people off the bat. I think 173 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:22.640 with twenty thirty they want to knock out at least two billion people of the 174 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:27.400 world's existing population. And how will they do it? War, famine and 175 00:17:27.519 --> 00:17:36.640 disease and any other methods necessary. So you look what happened in the sixties 176 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:41.920 and early seventies, You look at the long term impact on not just the 177 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:48.680 military but the civilians population from Agent Orange in Vietnam where the Rockefellers built oil 178 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:53.599 of refineries and aluminum plants during the Vietnam War. And of course I think 179 00:17:53.640 --> 00:18:00.400 it was DuPont that created Agent Orange and they made a lot of money off 180 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:06.559 the demise of millions of people. And then secondly, you have another permanent 181 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:11.839 contamination which is prevalent in the Middle East and Asia, right southwest Asia with 182 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:19.039 the depleted uranium. Again we've talked about it with desert Storm, with the 183 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:26.920 children of Fallujah, and what this does. It not only Greeks havoc on 184 00:18:26.960 --> 00:18:32.799 the children, but it really destroys the genetic future of the populations that are 185 00:18:32.799 --> 00:18:38.200 living in those regions, and that turns into this global effect. You know 186 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:44.599 that's already reflected in the increases of the infant mortality that is reported right here 187 00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:51.720 in the US and Europe and in the United Kingdom. And I want to 188 00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:56.119 go a little deeper before we get into Emily's list and a little bit about 189 00:18:57.519 --> 00:19:02.079 planned parenthood and those people involved. And if I haven't mentioned it, we're 190 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:06.200 going to wrap this up with a it's about a twenty five minute interview from 191 00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:10.440 nineteen fifty seven. I'm not sure if I've played this before, but this 192 00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:15.279 is the sixty minutes interview nineteen fifty seven Mike Wallace with Margaret Sanger. And 193 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:18.319 I will tell you that the audio doesn't do it justice. I'm going to 194 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:22.559 put a link to the video because you can tell when evil people they're scratching, 195 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:27.440 they're moving, they're fidgeting. Just a evil person. But again, 196 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:33.720 Henry Kissinger, let's double down on him before we move along, founding member 197 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:41.759 of the elitist Trilateral Commission that really spawned today's drive toward technocracy, also known 198 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:45.839 as the UN's Sustainable Development. By the way, this article was written by 199 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:52.440 Brian Close, doctor Brian Close, June twenty third, twenty twenty one. 200 00:19:53.240 --> 00:20:00.359 Kissinger was also force fed population control to the United Nations. Of course, 201 00:20:00.359 --> 00:20:04.400 as we mention, infamous for the Kissinger Report in nineteen seventy four that laid 202 00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:10.279 the groundwork. And again this article has direct correlations to what we saw in 203 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:15.039 twenty twenty Once again, it's modern genesis is almost fifty years old now at 204 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:18.039 the time of this writing, Kissinger was alive at ninety seven. I think 205 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:22.960 he was ninety eight or ninety nine. Twenty passed in twenty twenty three. 206 00:20:26.079 --> 00:20:32.759 So again, December tenth, nineteen seventy four National Security Study Memorandum two hundred, 207 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:37.000 the Kissinger Report, and this document, again published shortly after the first 208 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:42.880 major international population conference in Bucharest. And when you hear who was actually on 209 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:51.000 board with this, I mean this has to finally start waking people up to 210 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:56.359 understand that our federal government and our federal agencies need to go. Right at 211 00:20:56.440 --> 00:21:02.160 least you know your city, police, your county, they live in your 212 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:07.640 community. But when a three letter agency comes to your neighborhood but they reside 213 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:12.039 in another state or another place, that's not how it should be. And 214 00:21:12.079 --> 00:21:17.039 these three letter agencies need to go. And all three of these have come 215 00:21:17.119 --> 00:21:22.640 up numerous occasions on podcasts before the CIA, Why is the CIA involved in 216 00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:26.920 a population conference? Why is USAID who we did a podcast on last fall, 217 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:33.039 they were involved, and the Departments of State, Defense and Agriculture, 218 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:40.680 remember agriculture. The last article we just read corn Mexico. A lot of 219 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:48.319 it's really sad. It's a sad state. Much of the food that is 220 00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:56.599 in your grocery stores just poison. It's really sad. Now, this National 221 00:21:56.640 --> 00:22:02.920 Security Study Memorandum two hundred was made public like when it was declassified and transferred 222 00:22:02.920 --> 00:22:07.920 to the US National Archives in nineteen ninety, which is interesting because that happened 223 00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:12.759 right before Desert Storm and the depleted uranium. And again, although the United 224 00:22:12.759 --> 00:22:18.680 States government has issued hundreds of policy papers dealing with various aspects of the American 225 00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:25.119 national security since nineteen seventy four, the Kissinger Report continues to be the foundational 226 00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:30.319 document on US government population control. Right. That's why all these and I'm 227 00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:34.880 talking both sides of the aisle, your Democrats and your Republicans, all of 228 00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:40.200 them are championing war in the Middle East right now, how many of them 229 00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:48.720 have you seen? And I'm talking even the most prevalent Republicans right that they're 230 00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:55.039 championing this genocide. They're not praying for peace. They love this stuff and 231 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:57.480 they have to be in lockstep with it in order to be in their position 232 00:22:57.559 --> 00:23:06.480 of power. And again it continues to represent this country's official policy on government 233 00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:11.279 population control. And again that's twofold. They want to control the numbers and 234 00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:15.319 they want to control us. And to this day you can still find the 235 00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:22.400 Kissinger Report on the USAID website. N SSM two hundred is critically important to 236 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:29.119 pro life workers all over the world because it completely exposes this unsavory and unethical 237 00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:33.559 motivations and methods of the population control movement. And you can see We're starting 238 00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:44.680 to move from war and famine and these type of things disease into you know, 239 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:52.400 the killing of children and an abortion. Now, the primary purpose of 240 00:23:52.519 --> 00:23:59.599 US government population control efforts is to maintain access to the mineral resources of less 241 00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:03.960 developed up countries. With Iraq you have the oil. Afghanistan you have trillions 242 00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:10.920 of mineral resources in the poppy seeds. The same with Libya. Iran has 243 00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:15.319 a vast oil of wealth. They want that. We talked a few months 244 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:21.920 ago about the oil resources in Palestine and they've about routed them out. And 245 00:24:22.279 --> 00:24:26.960 as sure as Monday follows Sunday, you will start to see in the very 246 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:30.119 near future, you know, Biden's going to act like a good hearted man. 247 00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:34.160 We're going to bring all these Palestinians to America. All they're doing is 248 00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:38.240 moving them out of their homeland and given that land to Israel, and they 249 00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:45.839 we will start drilling for oil and making beachfront condos. It's horrible, but 250 00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:49.359 the Kissinger Report states that the US economy will require large and increasing amounts of 251 00:24:49.359 --> 00:24:53.640 minerals from abroad, especially from less developed countries. Right, and you start 252 00:24:53.640 --> 00:24:57.039 to see the same thing going on. But in order to protect these US 253 00:24:57.079 --> 00:25:03.640 commercial interest. SM two hundred cited a number of factors that could interrupt the 254 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:10.759 smooth flow of materials from these lesser developed countries to the United States. And 255 00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:18.400 one of those hurdles is a large population of nationalists used in that country. 256 00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:22.680 And in order for them to limit that, they would, you know, 257 00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:27.519 population control, they would instill their population control measures. And we saw it 258 00:25:27.559 --> 00:25:30.640 with Bill Gates in Africa. We saw it with Bill Gates in India. 259 00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:40.160 Some of those polio vaccines decimated bloodlines down there. Now, the document identified 260 00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:47.400 thirteen nations by name that would be the primary target of the US government under 261 00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:52.359 the heading quote concentration on key countries. You're going to find this the assistance 262 00:25:52.359 --> 00:26:00.720 for population moderation should give primary emphasis to the largest and fastest growing developing countries 263 00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:08.920 where there is special US political and strategic interest. So again, if it's 264 00:26:08.920 --> 00:26:12.759 a country with no resources, they do not care. But if there's a 265 00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:17.720 country with mineral or oil resources things that can benefit us, they care. 266 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:22.799 So the thirteen countries are India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nigeria, Mexico, 267 00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:27.519 Indonesia, Brazil, the Philippines, Thailand, Egypt, Turkey, Ethiopia, 268 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:34.519 and Colombia. We know what resources in Colombia that the CIA likes to kick 269 00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:38.880 into the cities. Now. At the same time, the US will look 270 00:26:38.920 --> 00:26:45.759 to the multilateral agencies, especially for the UN Fund for Population Activities, which 271 00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:52.920 already has projects in over eighty countries, to increase population assistance on a broader 272 00:26:53.000 --> 00:27:00.359 basis with increased US contributions. And again, this is a desire, varable 273 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:06.640 in terms of US interests and necessary in political terms. Now, again, 274 00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:12.400 according to the Kissinger Report, elements of the implementation of government population control programs 275 00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:21.759 could be number one, the legalization of abortion, financial incentives for countries to 276 00:27:21.880 --> 00:27:27.599 increase their abortion, sterilization, and contraception use rates. And again, contraception 277 00:27:27.799 --> 00:27:32.960 was still very risque in the fifties, and you'll hear that in the interview 278 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:41.160 with Mike Wallace and Margaret Sayer, such as withholding disaster and food aid unless 279 00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:48.759 these countries implement population control programs. So, if you're a third world country 280 00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:52.119 and the US is dangling a trillion dollars over your head and all you have 281 00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:59.039 to do is institute these population control strategies, what do you think they're going 282 00:27:59.079 --> 00:28:03.200 to do? That's what this country is all about. How do you think 283 00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:08.480 they infiltrated the education system. They dangle a huge financial carrot in front of 284 00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:12.039 every state each year, but if they take it, they have to keep 285 00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:19.799 in line with their agenda. Now, this last strategy, this force and 286 00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:26.480 coercion applied to developing countries, is currently used by the population control cartel to 287 00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:34.680 not push only abortion sterilization, which goes back to is a bush Try that 288 00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:41.599 again Bush versus Beck in nineteen twenty seven, I believe, and there are 289 00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:48.599 still many states that have sterilization laws on board, and then of course birth 290 00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:53.440 control. But look what the push has been for the last ten years, 291 00:28:55.720 --> 00:29:03.039 this whole transgender movement. Right, there are dozens of examples of this kind 292 00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:10.480 of blatant injustice. When Nigeria refused to legalize contraception and homosexuality, the United 293 00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:15.480 States withdrew financial and military aid that would allow it to combat the Islamic terror 294 00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:19.759 group Boco Horem, which is murdered and kidnapped tens of thousands of people in 295 00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:26.319 that nation. You guys want to know who funded Boco Horam And then you 296 00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:29.839 look what's going on in Niger now, right, we just put that on 297 00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:36.440 the fact on her page. Where's that news story, Russian troops enter US 298 00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:40.920 base in Niger, So the Niger government is kicking the US military out and 299 00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:45.799 welcoming the Russian troops in. Look at Ecuador, which that country has changed 300 00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:49.839 a lot recently, just this in the last few years. When Ecuador, 301 00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:56.599 which again a Catholic country, when they declined to legalize abortion, the United 302 00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:04.200 Nations refused to provide any aid for it. They didn't give it any COVID 303 00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:15.160 nineteen money. When Kenyon pro lifers collected irrefutable evidence that Marie Stopes International one 304 00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:18.599 of the largest abortionists in the world, which we need to cover them as 305 00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:22.359 well. So much evil in the world, there's not enough time in the 306 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.880 day to cover it. Again, Marie Stops International one of the largest abortion 307 00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:32.720 groups in the world. We're committing illegal and dangerous abortions on a vast scale. 308 00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:37.279 The MSI demanded they either be muzzled or jailed. Then you have the 309 00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:45.480 United Nations Population Fund, and there's a group from every country and the Population 310 00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:52.000 Council just in the United States alone, where's that they're gross receipts for twenty 311 00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:55.759 twenty two were three hundred and eighty nine million dollars And we've got to wrap 312 00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:59.880 up the show. When I tell you how much money goes through these nonprofits 313 00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:07.200 to kill babies, it should boil your blood more and more. The United 314 00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:11.240 Nations Population of fund halted food and other aid to millions of starving Yemeni's because 315 00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:17.759 the nation refused to legalize abortion. It's straight mobsters, is what it is. 316 00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:22.319 It's gangster attitude. Look at Zambia when they refuse to legalize sodomy. 317 00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:30.880 The United States withdrew much needed foreign aid to help alleviate the eleven percent national 318 00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:34.160 HIV infection rate and to care for two hundred and fifty thousand AIDS orphans. 319 00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:41.519 And then lastly, the Joint United Nations Program on AIDS threatened to withdraw all 320 00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:47.720 of its aid from the Caribbean island of Saint Lucia unless it approved language supporting 321 00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:52.720 abortion and homosexuality and a political declaration on HIV and AIDS. So it's bullying. 322 00:31:53.319 --> 00:32:00.240 And this powerful population control cartel does not engage in charity whatsoever, and 323 00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:04.160 we know every time they put a kind name on something, it's probably more 324 00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:09.720 nefarious than anything. It freely employs thuggery and bullying to enforce its will. 325 00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:16.319 And this Kissinger report also specifically declared that the United States must cover up its 326 00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:25.680 population control activities and avoid charges of imperialism by inducing the United Nations and various 327 00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:34.519 NGOs, specifically the Pathfinder Fund, the International Planned Parenthood Foundation, and the 328 00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:38.960 Population Control to do its dirty work. Doctor Alan Gutmacher, one of the 329 00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:46.240 most knowledgeable and active population suppression experts of all time, describes the strategy as 330 00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:52.039 follows. My own feeling is that we've got to pull out all the stops 331 00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:58.160 and involve the United Nations. If you're going to curb population, it's extremely 332 00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:01.640 important not to have it done by the damned Yankee, but by the UN 333 00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:09.240 because the thing is then it's not considered genocide. If the United States goes 334 00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:13.440 to the black man or the yellow man and says, slow down your reproductive 335 00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:19.039 rate, we're immediately suspected of having ulterior motives to keep the white man dominant 336 00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:23.079 in the world. You can send it in a colorful UN force. You've 337 00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:30.079 got much better leverage, and you should be very wary of the United Nations. 338 00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:37.319 And it goes on. It talks about China, Peru, Uganda, 339 00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:43.720 India. But let's get to the outline of the population control strategy again. 340 00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:49.839 It explicitly lays out the detailed strategy strategy excuse me, by which the United 341 00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:57.640 States government aggressively promotes population control in developing nations in order to regulate or better 342 00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:12.880 have excess to the natural resources of these countries. And I think you know, 343 00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:15.719 we've talked about much of the rest of this, but let's get to 344 00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:22.480 this part. Is government population control necessary? There is growing awareness that the 345 00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:28.199 world population explosion is over, or indeed that it never actually materialized in the 346 00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:32.760 first place. And by the way, that is a rabbit hole that a 347 00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:37.679 few people have gone down. Right, what's the current number seven seven and 348 00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:39.920 a half billion people in the world. There's a lot of people who think 349 00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:45.199 that that number is astronomically high. I mean, how do you prove it? 350 00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:47.840 How you disprove it? Is the big question when the population is scare 351 00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:52.039 began in the late sixties, when mind control was it as highest right. 352 00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:57.880 The world population was increasing at a rate of more than two percent a year, 353 00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:02.519 increasing at less than one percent a year, and now, as of 354 00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:08.679 twenty twenty four, it has declined massively. The Kissinger Report predicted that the 355 00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:15.639 population of the world would stabilize at about ten to thirteen ten to thirteen billion 356 00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:19.920 people, and it's not even close to that even with the quote official numbers 357 00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:23.079 now, with some demographers predicting that the world population would balloon as high as 358 00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:30.079 twenty two billion people, which nowhere near now, it's estimated that by twenty 359 00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:36.760 one hundred the population will level out around eleven billion, although many dependable estimates 360 00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:39.480 put the peak population at a much lesser number. And there's a lot of 361 00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:46.480 reasons for the de escalation of population. I think technology is one of them, 362 00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:53.679 right working from home, less human interaction is the less of a chance 363 00:35:53.719 --> 00:36:01.440 people have to find somebody, and I think obviously that was all part of 364 00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:07.679 the COVID plan to promote what's going on right now, and part of that 365 00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:12.360 is the reason why we have such a crisis within the banks. You just 366 00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:15.920 saw another bank go under two weeks ago. The one in Philadelphia got picked 367 00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:21.400 up by the bank and Williamsport. It's much of the problems we're having is 368 00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:24.639 because of commercial real estate. There was a building in New York City that 369 00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:30.039 last sold for forty four million dollars. A commercial real estate building sold for 370 00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:35.880 forty four million dollars in twenty eighteen, and it went to auction last week 371 00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:38.760 and sold for one point three million dollars. Commercial real estate is collapsing, 372 00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:47.519 and the worldwide application of these strategies recommended by the Kissinger Report has resulted in 373 00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:55.440 regional population growths decelerating so fast that they already caused severe economic and social problems 374 00:36:55.679 --> 00:37:00.400 in Europe, the former Soviet Union, Japan, and that population crisis has 375 00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:07.199 been in the news quite often. And many developing nations are now aging even 376 00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:14.880 more rapidly than the developed world, which really foretells even more severe problems for 377 00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:21.480 their relativity in underdeveloped economies. So these developed nations had the opportunity to become 378 00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:27.920 rich before they became old. If a nation becomes old first, it will 379 00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:31.840 never become rich. And from the very beginning, the concept of a population 380 00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:40.920 explosion was really an ideologically motivated false alarm, specifically designed to allow rich nations 381 00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:47.039 to pillage the resources of the poor nations. And we normally do it under 382 00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:52.400 the guise of liberty. Right, We're going to bring freedom and democracy to 383 00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:58.519 you, right after we take your oil and your resources and drop bombs all 384 00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:00.800 over you. Which it's not a laughing matter, but it's a fact. 385 00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:07.679 So the first step in such a massive change in policy is of course, 386 00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:12.880 to change our vision and our values. Okay, in order to do this, 387 00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:16.840 we must repudiate the old ways of thinking, repudiate the old ways of 388 00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:23.519 thinking and out moded ways of accomplishing our objectives. Now, this report represents 389 00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:30.239 the worst aspect of the advanced nations and meddling in the most intimate affairs of 390 00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:32.840 less developed nations. And again it's the do as I say, not as 391 00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:37.679 I do mantra amongst the elitists, which we need to stop using that word 392 00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:40.239 elitis. We just need to use the word parasite, because that's really what 393 00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:49.599 they are, advocating violations of the most precious freedoms and autonomy of the individual 394 00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:59.000 through coercive family planning programs. And this report shows concern for the rights or 395 00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:04.840 the welfare of individuals and nations, but it was conceived from the concept that 396 00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:14.599 the United States has the right to unfettered access to the natural resources of developing 397 00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:21.000 nations. In the United States and other nations of the developed world, as 398 00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:27.280 well as ideologically motivated population control ENGOs which we're about to talk about, should 399 00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:31.039 be supporting and guiding authentic economic development that allows the people of each nation to 400 00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:37.840 use their resources for their own benefit, teaching them technology, thereby leading to 401 00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:45.840 an enhancement of human rights worldwide, which would result in healthy economies for all. 402 00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:52.840 And there is no human relationship closer or more intimate than those found in 403 00:39:52.960 --> 00:40:00.000 family. Yet the developed world has spent more than one hundred and sixty bis 404 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:05.280 million dollars just since nineteen ninety, the last thirty four years attempting to control 405 00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:12.599 the number of children born to families in developing nations through the widespread imposition of 406 00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:21.519 abortion, sterilization, and birth control under the deceptive umbrella terms family planning services 407 00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:29.320 and reproductive health. All that tens of millions of dollars of government population control 408 00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:37.800 expenditures, it's just accomplished to make hundreds of millions of large poor families into 409 00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:43.159 small poor families. And it's unfortunately left to our imagination of wonder what might 410 00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:49.000 have happened if these resources had been invested in health, education, infrastructure, 411 00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:55.199 and in research dedicated to finding peaceful strategies to transition nations from corrupt governance to 412 00:40:55.360 --> 00:41:05.440 truly representative and accountable courts and public service sectors. Children are not an obstacle 413 00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:10.199 to development, They are the hope for the future of any society. And 414 00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:17.079 contrary to what Henry Kissinger and Margaret Sanger and Bill Gates and the Bush family 415 00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:28.159 people are not the problem. They are the solution, right Jeremiah one to 416 00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:34.440 five. Before I form THEE in the belly, I knew THEE. Yet 417 00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:42.639 you're told at nauseum that we have too many people. Let's transition to Emily's 418 00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:49.239 list, who from nineteen eighty five till the recent twenty twenty election very powerful. 419 00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:53.519 They've waned off a bit, but it's important that we keep these kind 420 00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:59.719 of people under the magnifying glass. What they are that were founded in nineteen 421 00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:07.199 eighty by IBM Heiress Ellen Malcolm and a small group of her politically connected friends, 422 00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:14.039 including the future Senator Barbara Boxer, the future Texas Governor Ann Richards, 423 00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:22.079 and there was one other one. I think her name was Shalala Donna Shalala. 424 00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:29.599 There you go, and the group operates as a federal pack political action 425 00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:39.360 committee that bundles and gives contributions to pro abortion female Democratic candidates into office. 426 00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:45.599 And very much like IPACK, not only are they able to get pro abortion 427 00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:52.079 women democratic women into office, but they'll also use said money to crush their 428 00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:59.599 opponent. If you're a pro lifer, they will spend the money to go 429 00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:04.960 after you. Now, since its inception, Emily's List has given or bundled 430 00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:12.440 over forty five million dollars to Democratic candidates or packs. Additionally, Emily's List 431 00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:16.920 spun off the super Pac Women Vote, which has spent fifty million dollars to 432 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:28.320 independent expenditures in support of pro choice candidates right for those who support abortion. 433 00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:32.400 And again they spend a lot of money against candidates just like IPEK. Now. 434 00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:37.519 In twenty twenty, Emily's Lists claim to raise almost five hundred million dollars, 435 00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:45.760 spent one hundred and sixty million dollars on independent candidate expenditures, endorsed eighteen 436 00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:52.159 hundred women, and they helped one thousand women who champion abortion across the United 437 00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:58.239 States get into office, and they trained almost fifteen thousand women to be candidates. 438 00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:06.360 And left leaning which no Marxists, progressive, Marxist, whatever term you 439 00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:08.920 want to use. I don't like left leaning. No, they've turned him 440 00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:15.000 into communist political operatives. In October twenty twenty three, following the death of 441 00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:23.039 Senator Dianne Feinstein, Governor Gavin Newsom appointed Emily's List president Lafonza Butler to fill 442 00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:28.880 the late senators seat. Butler left her role to Emily's List to take her 443 00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:31.039 seat in the Senate. So I mean, look at the people who are 444 00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:38.000 in the Senate right now, the people who champion the sacrifice of children to 445 00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:44.840 Moloch at the time of her nation excuse me. At the time of her 446 00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:50.599 nomination to become California's junior senator, reports indicate that Butler resided in Maryland. 447 00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:58.760 Emily's List has faced criticisms for using divisive, divisive tactics and supporting female candidates 448 00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:04.360 in primary elections. The most notable exam example of this was in two thousand 449 00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:10.079 and eight, when Emily's List signed on early to support Hillary Clinton's campaign and 450 00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:16.000 proceeded to criticize Barack Obama and feuded with other pro abortion groups for endorsing him. 451 00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:22.880 As reporters for National Journal put it quote, Emily's List had a lot 452 00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:27.679 writing on Hillary's two thousand and eight candidacy, and her defeat called in to 453 00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:32.559 question the very core of Emily's List strategy, and Emily's List would come back 454 00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:38.360 in twenty and sixteen and once again put many more candidates at the local, 455 00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:44.119 at the state and the federal level, and they have continued done to do 456 00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:47.800 that. It was a huge pack from eighty five again until twenty twenty one 457 00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:57.840 there have been for once there was a titanum of some loopholes. So I 458 00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:00.320 think what Emily's List was doing was they had had their website set up so 459 00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:06.519 you could directly contribute to the individual person. Then you could come back to 460 00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:08.800 the website and make a contribution to them, and then they would donate to 461 00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:13.480 them. So I guess that got called out on that. Now Emily. 462 00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:17.039 The name Emily's List, it's not named after anybody, it's an acronym for 463 00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:23.519 early money is like yeast. And the amount of money they have raised to 464 00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:37.119 put again these far left progressive Marxist ideologists into office who are writing laws and 465 00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:40.760 again we have eight thousand pages did I say eight thousand? We have eight 466 00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:45.519 hundred thousand pages of federal law right now. We don't need more, we 467 00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:52.320 need less. And these are evil people. And if you look at the 468 00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:59.039 history of Barbara Boxer, Ann Wexler, Donna Shalala, and especially Shalala and 469 00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:06.920 the board she was on Saleila, I had an article up here she was 470 00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:12.559 on She shot down a law Back in twenty nineteen, Florida passed a law 471 00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:19.000 where they could order drugs from other countries if it was cheaper. Still had 472 00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:24.159 to meet FDA guidelines, but she shot it down. At the time, 473 00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:34.119 she was Clinton's Health and Human Services secretary, and Congress passed a law. 474 00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:39.599 Clinton signed it, basically again allowing the importation of FDA approved drugs from foreign 475 00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:44.440 countries. Still had to meet FDA guidelines, but it saved people a lot 476 00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:49.800 of money. She didn't allow it to happen. Again, very evil people 477 00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:54.599 who are loyal to those who line their pockets. But again, at the 478 00:47:54.679 --> 00:48:00.920 end of it, Emily's List is all about putting women in office, not 479 00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:06.400 just democratic women in office. But they have to be a champion of abortion 480 00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:10.119 now. Jennifer Taylor wrote this article twenty years ago. Again, Emily's List 481 00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:14.599 was around since eighty five, didn't really become a household name till the last 482 00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:19.039 few years, but she kind of got involved, made a few phone calls 483 00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:22.639 and saw the ugly side of them, and again one of the most powerful 484 00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:30.360 packs of the recent twenty years. She interviewed doctor Ellen Malcolm again the founder 485 00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:34.360 and she says, We're huge, and she knows it. They worked to 486 00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:37.840 elect pro abortion women. In two thousand election alone, the members of Emily's 487 00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:44.000 Lists, numbering more than sixty eight thousand, contributed more than nine point three 488 00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:49.920 million to female candidates who support abortion. The organization also raised eleven million for 489 00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:54.760 its Women Vote initiative, which was an election effort designed to bring Democratic pro 490 00:48:54.800 --> 00:49:01.039 abortion women voters to the polls, especially in battleground state and in the eight 491 00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:07.400 elections since the Pax inception, eleven pro abortion Democratic female senators have been put 492 00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:15.599 in, fifty three congresswoman and four governors have been elected thanks to the help 493 00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:22.880 of Emily's List and Women Vote, And because of this you have pro abortion 494 00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:30.880 women are now hammering out public policy on a variety of issues, going from 495 00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:37.440 restricting our Second Amendment rights to this reproductive right push. It began in eighty 496 00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:42.280 five when twenty five women assembled in the basement of Ellen Malcolm's home to write 497 00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:45.559 letters telling their friends of a network they were forming to raise money for pro 498 00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:52.559 abortion democratic women seeking public office. And again they pioneered this practice of bundling, 499 00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:57.280 which I explained to you earlier. For example, in Michigan, Prior 500 00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:01.039 to the Public Act two fifty of two thousand and one, Emily's Lists circumvented 501 00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:08.320 the law's thirty four thousand dollars sealing by bundling together solicited campaign contributions made payable 502 00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:15.360 to individual campaigns. So these bundles were then forwarded onto the candidates without reference 503 00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:21.320 to the thirty four thousand that was already donated by Emily's List. Although the 504 00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:24.840 Public Act two fifty of two thousand and one did put a stop to bundling 505 00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:30.079 in the state of Michigan, there are laws in many other states that do 506 00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:36.639 not play such limitations on packs like Emily's List. And why would you do 507 00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:39.800 so, especially if you're in office? Why would you want to cut down 508 00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:45.320 on your money? Even the McCain fine Gold Federal Campaign Finance Reform Bill, 509 00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:47.559 recently signed into law by President Bush again this was written in two thousand and 510 00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:58.239 two, does not prohibit or even limit bundling. Now, Emily's List understands 511 00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:02.000 the seductive influence of power or not to mention money, that this pack exists 512 00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:07.719 to enable women to help other women attain power like minded women right those who 513 00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:12.920 champion abortion, and this power often entices women in our culture to choose a 514 00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:17.840 career over having a family, but more astonishingly, to choose to kill their 515 00:51:17.840 --> 00:51:24.679 own children and feel okay about it or even noble about doing so. Not 516 00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:30.639 only that it convinces them to work for the legalization of the killing of other 517 00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:37.760 people's children as well. Power so the propaganda goes does not lie in the 518 00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:42.440 courageous decision to become a mother, but in the choice to abort a baby 519 00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:49.920 in order to preserve a lifestyle of corporate advancement and personal pleasure. And the 520 00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:54.000 success of Emily's List is also attributed to the fact that its staff understands exactly 521 00:51:54.559 --> 00:52:00.480 what the group's mission is and what it takes to accomplish It's done, so 522 00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:05.639 it's quite obvious just the numbers we proposed, and its website details that it 523 00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:09.119 only hires staff from among the brightest in our nation. They have to have 524 00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:19.360 women with managerial expertise, extensive campaign experience, fundraising success savvy social media skills, 525 00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:25.920 and then Emily's List uses this powerhouse staff to seek out viable pro abortion 526 00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:32.239 candidates and prepare them for a victory through its own state and legislative training program. 527 00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:37.599 They have a very deep training program that they provide for the people they 528 00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:44.199 hand pick. The PAX Elections success record is a result of these well run 529 00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:50.280 training programs and the ability to recruit scores of members to fund Emily's List and 530 00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:58.039 the individual candidates the group brings in donations by assembling members, whom they send 531 00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:04.760 a detailed biography of each pro abortion women running for office. Members decide to 532 00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:08.880 whom they wish to contribute. They make their checks directly payable to the individual 533 00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:15.320 campaigns and then send them back to Emily's List. And Emily's List perpetuates the 534 00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:22.320 lie that the right to choose necessitates a right to have an abortion and turns 535 00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:30.519 women against their own offspring in the name of a feminist movement. Nature and 536 00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:38.360 everything demands respect, and those who violate her laws seldom's violate them with impunity 537 00:53:39.039 --> 00:53:46.039 Emily's Lists. You know, the real power of this is the author The 538 00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:51.199 real power of being a woman is that which comes from using your strength to 539 00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:57.599 protect and nurture. The defense lifts above all the preborn child nestled in the 540 00:53:57.639 --> 00:54:05.559 womb. So again, you look at the article from UPI just two years 541 00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:09.440 ago, or Ruters excuse me, Reuters June fifteenth, twenty twenty two. 542 00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:17.440 US abortions rose in twenty twenty, with about one in five pregnancies being terminated. 543 00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:22.960 The number and rate of US abortions increased from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty 544 00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:27.199 after a long decline, according to figures released Wednesday. The report from the 545 00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:32.280 Gutmacher Institute, a research group that supports abortion rights, counted more than nine 546 00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:37.079 hundred and thirty thousand abortions in twenty twenty. And then, of course there's 547 00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:43.679 the number in New York City in twenty twenty, there was more abortions than 548 00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:52.440 birth. And all these people again following the footsteps of Margaret Sanger, and 549 00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:58.360 you look at the Margaret Sanger Awards and the people who receive them, the 550 00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:02.760 Rockefellers, even Martin Luther King Junior. I think he was the first one, 551 00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:09.599 the Clintons, all of these people, the Rockefellers. I'm going down 552 00:55:09.679 --> 00:55:14.920 the list here because I know there's a name I'm forgetting that I really wanted 553 00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:22.639 to point out. Oh, Ted Turner, shocker, Jane Fonda, shocker, 554 00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:27.679 on and on and on. Oh and of course Hillary Clinton, right, 555 00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:31.280 so the finest and Pelosi got it in twenty fourteen. So the finest 556 00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:37.400 of Americans right throughout our history. I received this award. And then lastly, 557 00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:42.400 you look at the money that is thrown at that Again, Planned Parenthood. 558 00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:45.599 We pulled there nine to ninety from twenty twenty two, and they had 559 00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:53.519 gross receipts of five hundred and sixty million dollars five hundred and sixty million dollars 560 00:55:54.440 --> 00:56:01.039 to support packs, to get both local, state and freederal officials to push 561 00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:05.880 abortion, and then of course to even they're more than happy to pay for 562 00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:09.039 your abortion if you can't afford it. I mean, And again you go 563 00:56:09.159 --> 00:56:15.320 back to if you took this money that they're throwing at, you know, 564 00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:20.400 killing children, what they could do to benefit people's lives. And then you 565 00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:28.559 have the Population Council Incorporated out of New York. Their grocery seats are close 566 00:56:28.599 --> 00:56:37.719 to four hundred million dollars USA. For UNFPA their grocery seats are only about 567 00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:46.320 five million dollars. But all of these companies that they put so much time, 568 00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:53.360 work and effort into convincing women that abortion is right for them. And 569 00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:59.280 again all this stuff is anti God. It really is who tells us to 570 00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:04.679 go forth and mold apply these numbers are staggering. When you look at the 571 00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:08.119 escalation of the abortion numbers, the decline of the population numbers, the birth 572 00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:15.559 rates, it should raise a bell, really should. So there you go. 573 00:57:15.679 --> 00:57:23.719 That's basically from depopulation to Emily's list planned parenthood. And now you're going 574 00:57:23.760 --> 00:57:30.159 to hear about a twenty five minute interview with Mike Wallace with Margaret Sanger from 575 00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:36.079 I Believe nineteen fifty seven and we'll see you Thursday night. We have one 576 00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:39.639 story that's going to alarm you. This right, the Bible tells us that 577 00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:45.360 if you follow Christ, you'll be persecuted. Well, it reared its ugly 578 00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:52.280 head last week and once again with this article they are slowly implementing, which 579 00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:57.599 you know, I guess I would say I never thought i'd see in my 580 00:57:57.639 --> 00:58:02.159 lifetime. But after twenty twenty, the world really changed, Like there was 581 00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:07.280 an evil that took over the world, like nine to eleven changed the world, 582 00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:10.400 but twenty twenty really, yeah, I think you could feel the evil. 583 00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:15.639 Like they said, we're just not going to hide it anymore. So 584 00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:20.519 there you go, Thank you for your continued support. Stay for the next 585 00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:22.119 twenty five minutes, listen to the interview, and we'll see you Thursday night. 586 00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:24.679 God bless you. Keep your head on a swivel, and until we 587 00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:29.000 meet again, my friends, we'll see you without any further ado. Here 588 00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:36.119 is Mike Wallace and now our story. When missus Margaret Sanger opened the first 589 00:58:36.199 --> 00:58:40.039 birth control clinic in the United States back in nineteen sixteen, birth control was 590 00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:44.559 a dirty word. The police threw her into jail, as they were to 591 00:58:44.599 --> 00:58:49.719 do seven more times during her crusade, a crusade that still faces the reasoning 592 00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:54.639 but unalterable opposition of the Roman Catholic Church. That crusade kept Missus Sanger away 593 00:58:54.639 --> 00:58:59.960 from her children for long periods, it helped to break up her first marriage, 594 00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:05.639 and she suffered constant, harrowing social abuse. Missus Sanger, in view 595 00:59:05.679 --> 00:59:08.840 of all of that, let me ask you this, first of all, 596 00:59:09.480 --> 00:59:15.239 why did you do it? I realized that you had an intellectual conviction that 597 00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:19.679 birth control was a boon de man kind. But I'm sure that others have 598 00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:22.480 that conviction too, And so what I'd like to know is this, what 599 00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:30.239 events, what emotions in your life made Margaret Sanger a crusader for birth control. 600 00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:34.719 Well, mister Wallace, is hard to say that any one thing his 601 00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:39.639 made won't do this or that. I think from the very beginning. Ah, 602 00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:45.280 I came with a large family. My mother died young, eleven children, 603 00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:49.159 made depression on me as a child, I was a trained nurse, 604 00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:55.440 went among the people. I saw women who asked to have some means whereby 605 00:59:55.480 --> 01:00:02.519 they wouldn't have to have another pregnancy too early, last abortion, which many 606 01:00:02.519 --> 01:00:07.039 of them had. Sort of a number of things that are one after the 607 01:00:07.079 --> 01:00:09.559 other that really made you feel that you had to do something. There are 608 01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:15.400 some other possible reasons that suggest themselves. On reading Your Boy of your biography 609 01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:19.880 by Lawrence Later, your mother, as you say, died prematurely after burying 610 01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:22.000 eleven children. She was born a Catholic, was she not? She was 611 01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:27.039 born a cast, a cast and you're an Ireland Your father was a sort 612 01:00:27.039 --> 01:00:31.880 of a village atheist who clashed with church authorities, and because of his atheism, 613 01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:36.480 his earnings dwindled. Under community Prussia, you and your brothers and sisters 614 01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:42.039 were known as quote children of the devil end quote. Could it be then 615 01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:46.719 that in part at least you were driven emotionally toward the birth control movement because 616 01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:52.000 of antagonism toward the church, because that was a way to fight the church. 617 01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:54.159 Now, I don't want to think I had anything of the kind of 618 01:00:54.320 --> 01:00:59.679 mind I was, uh, I what I would call a born humanitarian. 619 01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:04.599 I don't like to see people suffer. I don't like to see cruelty, 620 01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:08.599 even to this day, and in nursing you see a great deal of cruelty 621 01:01:08.599 --> 01:01:15.360 and unnecessary suffering. At that time, there was no opposition as far as 622 01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:19.519 the church was concerned, any church. It is mainly the law, the 623 01:01:19.519 --> 01:01:22.840 federal law and state laws. If one had you to think of the church 624 01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:27.920 was not in my mind at all. Well, then going after your motive 625 01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:30.159 then, and I will press you just a little bit more about that and 626 01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:34.480 then get to the specifics of this evening. But in your motive in the 627 01:01:34.480 --> 01:01:38.599 movement, is it possible that the movement itself, the feeling of wanting to 628 01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:45.719 do anything that you felt was important, that perhaps that moved you a good 629 01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:50.800 deal, Because the fact remains that you led a movement against overwhelming pressures that 630 01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:53.920 stemmed back for centuries, and in doing so, according to your autobiography, 631 01:01:53.960 --> 01:01:58.199 you even left your first husband. And you wrote this to a friend, 632 01:01:58.760 --> 01:02:02.320 Missus Sanger. You said, where is the man to give me what the 633 01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:07.519 movement gives in joy and interest and freedom. Now what was this joy, 634 01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:13.559 this freedom that you craved. Well, I don't remember that letter the food 635 01:02:13.719 --> 01:02:15.920 was written, but I think that it was not uh a question of the 636 01:02:16.719 --> 01:02:24.280 of marriage at all. There was uh a certain satisfaction in uh doing something 637 01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:29.800 that was going to alleviate the sufferings of women in particular. And I was 638 01:02:29.880 --> 01:02:36.199 quite a feminist at the time of and uh yes and uh uh I naturally 639 01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:40.400 didn't want to see women take all the suffering of child bearing and her pregnancies. 640 01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:44.320 So it was a pleasure in a sense. I think that you were 641 01:02:44.679 --> 01:02:51.440 m striking uh at an archaic law, which it was and was putting on 642 01:02:51.519 --> 01:02:54.800 the statute books by Anthony Comstocks from years ago, and uh no one had 643 01:02:54.800 --> 01:02:59.400 stood up against it. No one had had uh tried to uh uh to 644 01:02:59.719 --> 01:03:02.639 change the laws. And at that time, not even a doctor had a 645 01:03:02.719 --> 01:03:07.760 right to use the United States nails and common carriers for books, for learning, 646 01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:10.000 for anything that he had to do. With this question, it was 647 01:03:10.039 --> 01:03:15.800 considered obscene. The whole question was of considered of seeing, mister Sanger, 648 01:03:16.360 --> 01:03:20.079 you have helped to spread the birth control movement, not only here in the 649 01:03:20.159 --> 01:03:23.880 United States, but in Europe and the orient as well. Why why is 650 01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:30.519 birth control of such vital importance internationally? Is it just to say women suffering 651 01:03:30.599 --> 01:03:32.920 is not the only reason in your mind? Well, not entirely. The 652 01:03:34.000 --> 01:03:39.639 population question is a great concern today and the race at which uh the birth 653 01:03:40.119 --> 01:03:45.760 births come in to the we're saving them now. At one time when children 654 01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:50.079 died, they didn't have the food U. Today, our population all over 655 01:03:50.119 --> 01:03:55.320 the world is getting certainly better consideration and better conditions than they had at the 656 01:03:55.360 --> 01:04:00.039 time that I was there. I went to every contry because I was invited, 657 01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:05.559 and uh I didn't spread go into the country myself. I was invited 658 01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:11.000 go to Japan and uh uh to speak there, to have eight lectures. 659 01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:15.039 I'm a question of birth control and peace. Well, do you believe that 660 01:04:15.079 --> 01:04:17.360 birth control is essential if we want to keep millions of people across the world 661 01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:21.800 from starving? Is that your thesis? Say it again? Do you feel 662 01:04:21.800 --> 01:04:28.119 that birth control is essential to keep millions of people across the world from starting? 663 01:04:29.679 --> 01:04:32.719 Well, I think the birth control if you keep your population uh more 664 01:04:32.800 --> 01:04:40.639 or less static until you pick up your resources, certainly you'll prevent their starving. 665 01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:44.920 Well, what's more important birth control or picking up the resources. Well, 666 01:04:45.119 --> 01:04:47.480 picking up the resources, there's just a limit to that too. There's 667 01:04:47.559 --> 01:04:53.000 just so much take Japan and she cannot feed. They've had the best experts 668 01:04:53.039 --> 01:04:57.000 to come there when MacArthur was there, and the best experts is saying they 669 01:04:57.039 --> 01:05:00.400 have twenty million more people and they can feed. She's got a he fared 670 01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:03.440 outside and some in some way, she got to have that kind of help 671 01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:08.280 if she's going to keep from for the fighting. But certainly around the world. 672 01:05:08.840 --> 01:05:13.199 Uh, there is potential agricultural land that is not being properly used now. 673 01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:15.360 Just this past year, on May twenty first, The New York Times 674 01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:20.079 summarized an important study of the world's food resources made by Professor James Bonner of 675 01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:25.960 the California Institute of Technology. Professor Bonna says the world is not using one 676 01:05:26.039 --> 01:05:30.519 billion acres of potential agricultural land, and he adds that if this land were 677 01:05:30.679 --> 01:05:35.119 used and present agricultural land were improved, the entire world could be fed adequately 678 01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:42.280 even if the population increased by one third in the next fifty years. Oh 679 01:05:42.599 --> 01:05:45.920 mister, well, as you hear so many, Oh mister, well, 680 01:05:45.960 --> 01:05:49.440 as you hear so many fantastic things. What can happen, what may happen? 681 01:05:50.519 --> 01:05:53.679 This? And that I've heard it from the last thirty years. Any 682 01:05:53.719 --> 01:05:56.880 rate could be done, but it's never done. And the thing is, 683 01:05:56.920 --> 01:06:01.000 what is it now? As we've got today? A very Singuish woman spoke 684 01:06:01.039 --> 01:06:04.840 to me about Arizona, and she said, I wish you wouldn't talk about 685 01:06:04.880 --> 01:06:09.719 population. Said all the population of the United States could be put in one 686 01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:13.639 state. And I said what state? She said, Arizona. I said, 687 01:06:13.639 --> 01:06:15.320 you do ever here of Collechi. She didn't know that I was talking 688 01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:20.480 about the delicatessen or a watch. I said, well, Cllechi, it's 689 01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:26.840 harder than any rock, and it is with about three inches below the ground 690 01:06:27.079 --> 01:06:30.599 where it looks beautiful. It looks if you could have food. It looks 691 01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:33.280 if you could have corn or wheat or cotton. But as a matter of 692 01:06:33.280 --> 01:06:38.400 fact, you have to dynamite callechi out of the ground, which in order 693 01:06:38.440 --> 01:06:42.760 to have a little shrug, you know, a little grass or a few 694 01:06:42.760 --> 01:06:46.400 flowers. So many problems that when it comes to that, and the demographers, 695 01:06:47.280 --> 01:06:50.079 I never heard of anyone that would agree with that. If we could 696 01:06:50.119 --> 01:06:56.480 have another uh in the world, another third, well, you say that 697 01:06:56.599 --> 01:07:00.440 originally the opposition was in all law, and you have to fight again that 698 01:07:00.800 --> 01:07:05.400 today your opposition stems mainly from where? From what source? Well, I 699 01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:12.119 think that the opposition UH is mainly from the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church 700 01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:15.960 of the Church. Well, nierarchy of the hierarchy of the church. You 701 01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:19.000 feel that the parishioners themselves, the lay people in the church are not against 702 01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:21.920 birth contry. I feel they come through all of our clinics just the same 703 01:07:21.960 --> 01:07:26.800 as their non Catholics do, exactly the same. Well, let's look at 704 01:07:26.800 --> 01:07:30.639 the official Catholic position opposition to birth control. I read now from a church 705 01:07:30.679 --> 01:07:35.880 publication called the Question Box in forbidding birth control. It says the following. 706 01:07:35.920 --> 01:07:41.840 It says, the immediate purpose and primary end of marriage is the begetting of 707 01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:45.599 children. When the marital relation is so used as to render the fulfillment of 708 01:07:45.639 --> 01:07:51.159 its purposes impossible, that is by birth control, it is used unethically and 709 01:07:51.320 --> 01:07:56.840 unnaturally. Now, what's wrong with that position, Well, it's very wrong. 710 01:07:56.960 --> 01:08:00.800 It's not normal. Is that UH has a wrong attitude toward marriage, 711 01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:05.559 toward love, to the relationships between many women. Well, the natural law, 712 01:08:06.079 --> 01:08:11.039 they say, is that first of all, the primary function of sex 713 01:08:11.079 --> 01:08:14.400 and marriage is to beget children. With that help. Do you disagree with 714 01:08:14.440 --> 01:08:16.800 that? I disagree with the one hundred percent. Your feeling is what they 715 01:08:17.079 --> 01:08:23.119 My feeling is of love and the attraction between many women In many cases, 716 01:08:23.159 --> 01:08:30.479 the very finest relationship has nothing to do with bearing a child the secondary many 717 01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:33.640 many times we know that youty your birth rate. You talk to people who 718 01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:39.159 are very happy marriages and they're not having babies every year. Yes, I 719 01:08:39.159 --> 01:08:43.600 think that's a celibate attitude, purely a celibate attitude. But you agree that 720 01:08:43.640 --> 01:08:47.119 Catholicism, according to the tenets of Catholicism, they rule the birth control violates 721 01:08:47.119 --> 01:08:50.720 not only the church's position, it isn't the church's position, but they say 722 01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:56.079 that it violates au natural law. As I have just explained. Therefore, 723 01:08:56.119 --> 01:09:00.680 birth control is a sin no matter who practices it. Now, the violation 724 01:09:00.800 --> 01:09:04.439 of the natural law. According you certainly can take no issue with the natural 725 01:09:04.520 --> 01:09:10.640 law as the hierarchy of the UH Catholic Church regards it. Well, I 726 01:09:10.640 --> 01:09:13.119 certainly do take issue with it, and I think it's untrue and I think 727 01:09:13.119 --> 01:09:17.000 it's unnatural. Well, that marriage it out that it's an unnatural attitude to 728 01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:21.159 take. And how do they know. I mean, after all the celibates, 729 01:09:21.760 --> 01:09:25.760 they don't know love, they don't know marriage, they know nothing if 730 01:09:25.800 --> 01:09:29.319 I bringing up children or any of the marriage problems of life, and yet 731 01:09:29.319 --> 01:09:34.600 they speak to people as if they were God. Let me ask you this 732 01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:40.680 question. Suppose a healthy, well to do couples decide, for some reason 733 01:09:40.960 --> 01:09:45.600 never to have children, use birth control all their lives. Would you say 734 01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:49.880 that your methods are being misused? Missus saying not? If they're intelligent people 735 01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:55.399 and they had some reason for think that if children is responsibility, or they 736 01:09:55.640 --> 01:09:58.520 some disease or they might have that they wouldn't like to pass on to a 737 01:09:58.600 --> 01:10:01.920 child, and I think it would be a very uh, unselfish attitude for 738 01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:04.239 them to take if there is a disease. No, I say, a 739 01:10:04.359 --> 01:10:09.720 healthy well to do couple, a couple that just doesn't want children, and 740 01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:13.960 for that reason they use birth control all the way. Do you think that 741 01:10:13.960 --> 01:10:16.479 that is a as a misuse of your methods. I don't think it's a 742 01:10:16.479 --> 01:10:20.960 misuse. I think it's if if they're intelligent adults, that they must know 743 01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:26.479 what they want, they must manage their lives themselves, and certainly there's nothing 744 01:10:26.439 --> 01:10:30.000 in birth control, then there is at other things that you might deny yourself. 745 01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:32.920 I asked you your motives a little while ago at the beginning of the 746 01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:35.800 program. Your motive is in working for birth control as hard as you have 747 01:10:35.880 --> 01:10:40.840 for as many years as you have. You reject the principal Catholic argument against 748 01:10:40.880 --> 01:10:45.119 birth control as being totally invalid. What do you think is the reason the 749 01:10:45.159 --> 01:10:50.319 motive of the church in forbidding birth control? You'd have to ask Catholic that 750 01:10:50.760 --> 01:10:56.159 I couldn't take their motive is well, I you you couldn't say officially what 751 01:10:56.199 --> 01:10:58.880 their motive is, but you certainly must have an opinion about it. Missus 752 01:10:58.880 --> 01:11:01.199 saying well, I'm not I didn't have much to do it with uh, 753 01:11:01.239 --> 01:11:05.680 the hierarchy, or I know that the people that come to our organization and 754 01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:11.840 want to have the same methods or whatever it is that one can have to 755 01:11:11.920 --> 01:11:15.640 prevent a pregnancy. That those women will say to us, I if we 756 01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:19.119 ask their religion very often and they say, I am a Catholic, I've 757 01:11:19.279 --> 01:11:24.239 raised the Catholic Church of this. My church is wrong on this. This 758 01:11:24.319 --> 01:11:26.920 is the one thing I will never be anything else but my church is wrong 759 01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:30.199 and this one thing, and that is that over and over and over again. 760 01:11:30.119 --> 01:11:32.760 So what the motive is? Well, you won't hazard a guess. 761 01:11:33.239 --> 01:11:38.239 I don't care to thank you. May I ask you why now? I 762 01:11:38.319 --> 01:11:43.079 know that in private and uh, in actually in public discussions. I think 763 01:11:43.439 --> 01:11:46.960 prior to this time you have been willing to state your understanding of what the 764 01:11:46.960 --> 01:11:50.119 motives of the church are. And now you would, uh, you would 765 01:11:50.199 --> 01:11:54.039 rather remain silent. May I ask you why? Well, simply because I 766 01:11:54.039 --> 01:11:58.800 don't think that uh uh, this church has changed in its attitude. Some 767 01:11:58.880 --> 01:12:01.680 of the hierarchy have changed. You can't say the same thing that you might 768 01:12:01.720 --> 01:12:05.039 have said a year ago or two years ago as to your belief or as 769 01:12:05.079 --> 01:12:10.520 to your opinion. Have you heard it said that the reason that the church 770 01:12:10.560 --> 01:12:14.640 is against birth control is because they want more Catholics. I've read it. 771 01:12:15.239 --> 01:12:17.399 Do you believe it? Well? If they, if you read their papers 772 01:12:17.680 --> 01:12:21.439 where they are quite out Boston, that that's what has happened in Boston in 773 01:12:21.479 --> 01:12:29.760 Massachusetts they have simply I've read the Protestants and they're they're in Boston and Massachusetts 774 01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:31.880 they have control. I've read that in their own papers. Yes, of 775 01:12:31.880 --> 01:12:35.479 course, the church's answer the church's answer. And I read now from a 776 01:12:35.479 --> 01:12:40.880 pamphlet published by the Redemptist of Redeptorist Fathers in Missouri, says as follows. 777 01:12:41.479 --> 01:12:45.560 It says that point of view about wanting more Catholics is nonsense. Quote. 778 01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:49.079 The Catholic Church does not command Catholic husbands and wives to have even one child. 779 01:12:49.720 --> 01:12:54.439 The Church considers it more than normally meritorious for them to have no children 780 01:12:54.920 --> 01:12:59.039 if they mutually and perpetually give up the use of the marriage right for the 781 01:12:59.039 --> 01:13:03.239 love of God. All right, I don't quo what they what they do, 782 01:13:03.279 --> 01:13:08.880 so they I think that they question in my mind is that they they 783 01:13:08.920 --> 01:13:14.520 do and UH order their own people to where they wish. But I object 784 01:13:14.520 --> 01:13:17.279 to their UH having the same rules for people who are not the same religion. 785 01:13:17.439 --> 01:13:19.560 Well, they believe, you see that it is a natural law, 786 01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:24.199 not a Catholic law, but a natural law, and therefore a sin not 787 01:13:24.479 --> 01:13:28.840 just for Catholics, but a sin for all peoples. And I think that 788 01:13:28.840 --> 01:13:32.520 there are other religious groups that very very orthodox views feel the same way about 789 01:13:32.960 --> 01:13:39.439 birth control. Uh. Let's look at another argument against birth control, missus 790 01:13:39.479 --> 01:13:44.119 Sayinger, published in Red Book magazine in March of nineteen fifty six. It 791 01:13:44.159 --> 01:13:49.119 says birth control is a devastating social force which tends to weaken the moral fiber 792 01:13:49.159 --> 01:13:57.640 of the community. Immunity from parenthood encourages promiscuity, particularly when unmarried persons can 793 01:13:57.680 --> 01:14:02.000 so easily avail themselves of the device. Do you doubt that, I doubt 794 01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:06.279 it? You do say to me, then let me read from a new 795 01:14:06.359 --> 01:14:12.239 story in the Philadelphia Daily News on June tenth, nineteen forty two. The 796 01:14:12.279 --> 01:14:16.960 story quotes you as urging the Women's Army Auxiliary Court to give its members quote 797 01:14:17.199 --> 01:14:25.039 preventive measures against pregnancy end quote, and you add quote abortion and illegitimacy are 798 01:14:25.079 --> 01:14:30.960 bound to result if the government doesn't recognize human nature end quote. In other 799 01:14:30.960 --> 01:14:35.479 words, you were not advocating uh Christian morality, but rather ways for single 800 01:14:35.520 --> 01:14:41.039 women to avoid bearing illegitimate children. Where was this taken? From Philadelphia Daily 801 01:14:41.079 --> 01:14:44.600 News, June tenth, nineteen forty two, direct quote from Margaret Sacker, 802 01:14:44.760 --> 01:14:50.520 I doubt it. I don't bear m mats it remark well. In the 803 01:14:50.560 --> 01:14:56.199 same vein in your autobiography, which you cannot disavow, you wrote the following 804 01:14:56.239 --> 01:15:00.880 about sexologist hailoch Ellis. You said he's been able to clim verify the question 805 01:15:00.960 --> 01:15:04.439 of sex and free it from the smudginess connected with it from the beginning of 806 01:15:04.560 --> 01:15:10.199 Christianity. Now why, well, what do you mean by the smudginess connected 807 01:15:10.239 --> 01:15:15.119 with sex and why do you blame it on Christianity. Well, there's many 808 01:15:15.119 --> 01:15:16.520 reasons, of course to say. If we have more records of it, 809 01:15:16.800 --> 01:15:24.159 I go on Christianity, and I think I was speaking of Hablicellos as having 810 01:15:24.680 --> 01:15:31.560 clarified the question of homosexuals, making the thing, uh, not exactly a 811 01:15:31.840 --> 01:15:35.960 perverted thing, but uh thing that a person is born with, different kinds 812 01:15:35.960 --> 01:15:40.520 of eyes, different kinds of a structure, and so forth. That he 813 01:15:40.560 --> 01:15:45.760 didn't make all homosexuals uh, perverts, and I felt that he helped tarify 814 01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:48.319 that. I felt that he helped verify that to the medical profession and to 815 01:15:48.359 --> 01:15:50.600 the scientists of the world. Has perhaps one of the first ones to do 816 01:15:50.880 --> 01:15:54.560 to do that. That is one of the things I meant in that, 817 01:15:56.479 --> 01:16:00.600 mister sayer, do you disagree that Catholics or do you do you feel that 818 01:16:00.640 --> 01:16:05.319 Catholics should not have a right to have a say when a city administration contemplates 819 01:16:05.439 --> 01:16:10.439 spending their tax dollars on birth control or the dissemination of birth control information, 820 01:16:10.760 --> 01:16:15.920 something the Catholics believe is simple. If they have a right to say, 821 01:16:15.359 --> 01:16:18.199 Do you feel that they don't have a right to have a say when a 822 01:16:18.239 --> 01:16:24.920 city administration contemplates spending their dollars tax dollars on birth control? For instance, 823 01:16:24.960 --> 01:16:28.319 here in New York, Catholics comprise about forty five percent of our population. 824 01:16:28.680 --> 01:16:31.000 They're the largest single group. Or don't you think they should have the democratic 825 01:16:31.079 --> 01:16:35.079 right to lobby against having their money spent, their tax money spent for something 826 01:16:35.199 --> 01:16:38.960 they considered evil. Well, I suppose they have a right, and they 827 01:16:38.960 --> 01:16:42.000 certainly do it, but so have the others. They're they're only forty five 828 01:16:42.039 --> 01:16:45.479 percent of the population, as that is now the majority, But they have 829 01:16:45.520 --> 01:16:48.520 a right to get up, and certainly I have no objection to their having 830 01:16:48.520 --> 01:16:51.159 them say no. But I think we should have the same right. I 831 01:16:51.239 --> 01:16:56.720 say we, I mean non Catholics. Well, of course, this is 832 01:16:56.760 --> 01:16:59.640 a little bit at variance with something that you told our reporter earlier this week. 833 01:16:59.640 --> 01:17:01.800 Do you said earlier this week it's not only wrong, it should be 834 01:17:01.840 --> 01:17:08.359 made illegal for any religious group to prohibit dissemination of birth control, even among 835 01:17:08.399 --> 01:17:11.600 its own members. In other words, you would like to see the government 836 01:17:11.680 --> 01:17:17.159 legislate religious beliefs in a certain sense where these strange things come to that I 837 01:17:17.239 --> 01:17:20.319 said to me as what I should like to know when Well, now you 838 01:17:20.439 --> 01:17:25.319 know that my reporter's been a good deal of time with you. He's a 839 01:17:25.399 --> 01:17:28.760 very accurate young man. Yes, and this is a this is a this 840 01:17:28.880 --> 01:17:31.479 is a specific quote. Well, I do think I've said it quite that 841 01:17:31.560 --> 01:17:35.399 way. What are your religious beliefs, missus Sanger? Do you believe in 842 01:17:35.439 --> 01:17:41.399 a god and the sense of a divine being who rewards or punishes people after 843 01:17:41.479 --> 01:17:47.359 death? Well, I have a different attitude about the divine. I feel 844 01:17:47.399 --> 01:17:51.800 that we have divinity within us, and the more we express the good part 845 01:17:51.840 --> 01:17:59.000 of our lives, the more the divine within us expresses itself. I suppose 846 01:17:59.000 --> 01:18:04.399 I would call myself aspion by uh by religion, and there's uh many other 847 01:18:04.880 --> 01:18:08.840 uh If you traveled around the world, you've got quite a bit of the 848 01:18:09.039 --> 01:18:15.199 feeling of uh all all religions have so much alike in the divine part of 849 01:18:15.199 --> 01:18:17.239 our own being. And I suppose you just couldn't put that in a book 850 01:18:17.279 --> 01:18:20.399 or you couldn't put it to a uh, a phrase or a sentence. 851 01:18:20.479 --> 01:18:24.840 Do you believe in sin? When I say believe, I don't mean and 852 01:18:24.920 --> 01:18:27.880 believe in committing sin. Do you believe there is such a thing as a 853 01:18:27.880 --> 01:18:30.760 as sin? Well? I think the greatest sin in the world is bringing 854 01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:35.119 children into the world that have n diseased from their parents, that have no 855 01:18:35.199 --> 01:18:41.039 chance in the world to be a human being. Practically, delinquents, prisoners, 856 01:18:41.199 --> 01:18:44.000 all sorts of thing can just mark when they're born. That to me 857 01:18:44.119 --> 01:18:47.439 is the greatest sin that people can can commit. But sin in the ordinary 858 01:18:47.479 --> 01:18:51.239 sense that we regard it. Do you believe or do you not believe? 859 01:18:51.239 --> 01:18:54.760 Well? Fat, what would they be? Do you believe it infidelity is 860 01:18:54.760 --> 01:18:58.439 a sin? Well? I do. I'm not gonna specify, but I 861 01:18:58.439 --> 01:19:00.279 think the sin I've stated, but I think it's we're sin. Yes, 862 01:19:00.199 --> 01:19:02.800 you see, And then you asked me to say what and I and I 863 01:19:02.840 --> 01:19:06.680 said what and I and uh, you refuse to answer me. Yes, 864 01:19:06.720 --> 01:19:11.239 I don't know about the fidelity. It has so many personalities to it and 865 01:19:11.600 --> 01:19:15.520 what person's own belief is. You can't I couldn't generalize any of those things 866 01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:20.319 as it has been sin murderers. Well, that's naturally think murdererser there's the 867 01:19:20.359 --> 01:19:27.279 sinner, not it's a terrible act. In just a moment, Missus Sanger, 868 01:19:27.319 --> 01:19:30.119 I'd like to ask you about another social problem here in the United States, 869 01:19:30.239 --> 01:19:34.560 divorce. Nearly four hundred thousand couples get divorced in this country each year, 870 01:19:35.520 --> 01:19:40.560 and i'd like to get your views on the cause and possible prevention of 871 01:19:40.640 --> 01:19:45.079 this problem. That we'll get Missus Sanger's answer to that question in just sixty 872 01:19:45.159 --> 01:19:55.319 seconds. One look at this cabin cruiser and you know it's new. One 873 01:19:55.399 --> 01:20:00.439 puff of this cigarette and you know it's new. It's Philip Morris, and 874 01:20:00.560 --> 01:20:08.520 you know by the taste. Philip Morris tastes natural, and that's why smokers 875 01:20:08.680 --> 01:20:13.479 like it. And they like the man's kind of mildness in Philip Morris. 876 01:20:14.720 --> 01:20:19.680 No filter, no folan, nothing artificial between you and the tobacco itself and 877 01:20:19.840 --> 01:20:25.960 the box. Here's something else. Smoke is like. It's practical crush proof. 878 01:20:28.840 --> 01:20:33.000 If you haven't smoked of Philip Morris lately, get with it. You'll 879 01:20:33.039 --> 01:20:39.960 find a natural taste, a man's kind of mildness, a crush proof box. 880 01:20:41.279 --> 01:20:45.119 Get with Philip Morris, probably the best natural smoke you ever tasted. 881 01:20:47.640 --> 01:20:51.640 Get with Philip Morris in regular pack or crushproof box, probably the best natural 882 01:20:51.720 --> 01:20:57.159 smoke you ever tasted. Now, then, missus saying they are nearly four 883 01:20:57.239 --> 01:21:02.680 hundred thousand divorces or annulments in America to each year. What and this is 884 01:21:02.720 --> 01:21:06.000 hard to do in the short time of course that we have. What would 885 01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:13.000 you recommend to cut down our divorce rate? Well as uh, a great 886 01:21:13.039 --> 01:21:17.640 benevoxtics are including in the work UH that they do in great control connings having 887 01:21:17.760 --> 01:21:24.840 marriage counseling. So when the woman or the man come and complain of their 888 01:21:24.960 --> 01:21:30.119 marriage on the skills, we invite them to come and have special talks with 889 01:21:30.319 --> 01:21:33.199 some of our psychiatrists or others who are making a study of that all over 890 01:21:33.279 --> 01:21:39.039 the country where we have about five hundred clinics, they almost thought include uh, 891 01:21:39.119 --> 01:21:42.079 marriage counseling and marriage direction. May I, may I ask you this? 892 01:21:42.239 --> 01:21:45.359 Could it be that women in the United States have become too independent that 893 01:21:45.439 --> 01:21:49.439 they've followed the lead of women like Margaret's Sanger by neglecting family life for a 894 01:21:49.560 --> 01:21:55.319 career. Let me quote from your biography describing your second marriage to Noah Sleeve 895 01:21:56.479 --> 01:22:00.880 quote in New York. Missus Sanger maintained every pause of their compact active independence. 896 01:22:00.000 --> 01:22:03.800 They had separate apartments. They telephoned each other for dinner or theater engagements 897 01:22:04.239 --> 01:22:10.800 or pass notes back and forth. Would you call this a sound formula for 898 01:22:10.920 --> 01:22:13.199 marriage? Who was it? Saying? Uh? Different people? Yes, 899 01:22:13.680 --> 01:22:16.239 it certainly was for me and for my husband. We had a very happy 900 01:22:16.279 --> 01:22:19.960 marriage. Consulate he had drink friends than I had. And uh, I 901 01:22:20.079 --> 01:22:25.520 don't believe in forcing the for all we were two adults and uh forcing your 902 01:22:25.560 --> 01:22:29.520 friends and uh another person whom they have an entirely different book. It's worked 903 01:22:29.520 --> 01:22:32.359 out very well. I know that it did. You have two sons. 904 01:22:32.720 --> 01:22:36.800 One final question? You have two sons? How many children have they? 905 01:22:38.000 --> 01:22:43.079 Would you like to see them? I would indeed as well? How many 906 01:22:43.159 --> 01:22:45.520 children? That's six in this family, five boys to girl in that family 907 01:22:45.720 --> 01:22:50.079 and in the other family two girls, two girls, Miss Sanger, I 908 01:22:50.119 --> 01:22:54.520 thank you so much for taking time out and coming and talking to us here 909 01:22:54.600 --> 01:22:58.399 this evening, and so wells. I've never smoked, but I'm gonna begin 910 01:22:58.439 --> 01:23:01.880 to take up smoking. And h and you still mars a cigarette for me 911 01:23:01.960 --> 01:23:05.079 to take it. Well, I thank you very much, Miss the same. 912 01:23:05.319 --> 01:23:11.560 Indeed, in the eyes of some Margaret Sanger has been a heroine. 913 01:23:12.319 --> 01:23:15.199 In the eyes of others, she's been a destructive force. The purpose of 914 01:23:15.239 --> 01:23:18.880 this interview has been not, of course, to try to resolve this issue, 915 01:23:19.239 --> 01:23:24.039 but to open it to a little sensible discussion. This was done with 916 01:23:24.119 --> 01:23:27.520 the feeling that all of us, regardless of our beliefs, can do nothing 917 01:23:27.600 --> 01:23:32.840 but profit from a free exchange of ideas. You're listening to the Fact Hunter 918 01:23:33.000 --> 01:23:39.119 Radio Network. Just the facts, ma'am.