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dive into this mailbag. We have
a Damian Lillard question, but let's address

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what's going on with Damian Lillard first
before we go into it. So the

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latest is kind of the status quo, just that he really wants to go

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to Miami, and that the report
for Woad where he actually really wrote about

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it, Like for Wog to write
right again, I feel like I haven't

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seen a column like that from him
in forever, but he mentioned reported whatever

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that general manager Joe Cronin is not
going to trade Damian Lillard wherever he wants

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to go. That could be posturing, but Damian Litter clearly really wants to

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go to Miami. His agents himself
are pushing to go to Miami. They

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are trying to dissuade other teams who
might want to acquire him from acquiring him

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in the first place because he doesn't
want to play there. This is all

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typical stuff. But the debate is
sort of mutated into this morality conversation,

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whereas the league needs to change and
how could Dame do this to the Blazers,

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this and that. So I want
to reiterate a few things that I

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kind of touched on in the first
Damian Lillard trade podcast, But I just

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want to illuminate further here. This
stuff happens all the time. It's and

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forget about proudly Beal's no trade cause, I just that's never I'll be shocked

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if I don't know who the next
MBIA player is to get a no trade

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cause, but it's gonna have to
be someone absolutely transcendent because that was a

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disaster for Washington. But forget about
that. That's a different type of market.

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It's franchises and stars, even when
they have years left on the bill,

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typically work with one another. Even
when it's more combative, stars still

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hold leverage. Where Anthony Davis trying
to request out more in advance a free

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agency than we had necessarily seen at
the time. Yeah, they shopped him

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around to other teams, and he
had more than one team on his list.

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I think Boston was on there for
a minute, but I think it

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eventually fell off, and maybe it
was just the Lakers, the Knicks might

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have been tangentially on there or whatever. This stuff is normal, and I

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don't think that the way that people
are reacting is a wow, Damian Llewards

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all of a sudden, a terrible
person. He's trying to burn down the

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Blazers. I don't have an issue
with, you know, and this is

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how people compared it. When teams
decide to trade players under contract, that's

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part of the gig. That's part
of why they get paid so much money.

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If there's not a no trade clause
or some understanding with the team,

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that's just so be it. That's
a nature of the job. When it

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comes to a player asking for out
with a bunch of years left on his

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deal, it's obviously a little bit
more finicky because they kind of gave up

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that right to force their way out
in fury by signing said contract. But

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teams still, when you have the
leverage to ask for out, they tend

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to acquies. And I don't have
an issue with players doing that. I

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don't have an issue with them giving
teams a wish list. I don't have

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an issue with them trying to diswade
technically other teams from trading for them,

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so long as it doesn't actually impede
the trade or the return for them.

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And that's where I'm kind of taking
issue with this, And it's not just

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Damian Lillard. It's a larger symptom
of this trade request process is you're narrowing

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down the pool of potential suitors because
I don't know how many teams are going

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to do what Oklahoma City did with
Paul George or with Kawhi Leonard when when

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the Raptors acquired him and go sort
of rogue where the star wants out.

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You're not on his list. You're
not even on the you know, the

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purview of his list. You require
them anyway. I think a few things

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coming to play is that stars have
more leverage now and it seems like they

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are able to not that they're able, but they might be more forceful about

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their situation. Where would Damian Lillard
report? I think he would would he

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loaf around like James Hard No,
I don't think so, but that threat

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is there, And now you're paying
these guys just so much money. The

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number is so exorbitant espial, especially
when forget yes, it's a percentage of

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the salary cap when he gets to
fifty nine million in twenty six, twenty

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seven, it's a percentage of the
salary cap that you know, it seems

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like a lot in just raw dollar
rap. When the salary cap is seventy

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or one eighty whatever it is at
that point, it won't seem so huge.

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That number is just so monstrous when
you're dealing with thirty five percent maxes

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and supermax contracts. Let's say you
have to take on those guys. It's

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a different one. It's Paul George
and I was he on his second contract

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or third contract, but it wasn't
just this gargantuan number. And the diddo

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for Kawhan Leonard, I think he
was only on his second contract at the

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time, post like play, his
Postbrookie scale deal. Maybe maybe I'm wrong

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there though. So then when the
number is this massive, it's going to

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cause more pause and it gives the
player more leverage. And the fact that

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Damian Lillard chose to sign extensions with
this Blazer's organization in a precarious situation with

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this undefined direction and then changed his
mind. I don't like the idea that

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not that he shouldn't have agency in
the matter, and if the team wants

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to work with him, so be
it. I wouldn't because I think that

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sets back the franchise, but him
one limiting them to one team and then

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trying to dissuade other teams and not
him, but also his agents. I

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get that it's sort of part of
the game here, but we've now reached

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the point where it can be an
active director detriment to these teams that are

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trying to rebuild and retool their rosters. Are you're gonna have to accept an

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inferior return. And I happen to
believe that the Heat's best offer if they

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can renegotiate that, Okay, see
protection in twenty five to twenty six.

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I think three first round picks,
three swaps Tyler hero Haimi Hawkes, and

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Nikola Yovich like as a baseline is
an ok Maybe it's not the best offer

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that'll be out there, but it
might be the best offer that's out there,

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And you might not even get that
Miami offer because the way that Lord's

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playing his hand here, and when
you have four years and two hundred and

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eight plus million dollars left on your
deal, an extension that you signed that

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per woads you pursued was the word
that w us. That's where I sort

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of take issue with it, where
you're changing the shape and scope of your

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trademarket to this degree. I'm not
It's even different if you're going to give

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them more than two or three teams, and I think I would have taken.

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Now here's where it's going to differ
is Kevin Durant didn't catch as much

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shit when this happened in Brooklyn,
in part because when you look at the

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team that he limited it to,
look at what they were able to give

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up, and that was considered a
capslock haul and the heats. The return

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if you send Dame to Miami,
to me, is not going to be

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on par with mcael Bridges and Phoenix's
draft when you're going that far out.

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And maybe I'm misevaluating that package,
but that's also still part of the problem.

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Shame on me, shame on us
in general if we weren't you know,

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I think I've made I didn't make
jokes. But there was definitely a

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discussion that we had on this podcast
about how did Phoenix lose this? Did

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Phoenix lose this negotiation despite there being
only a market of one, but was

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there only a market of one because
Brooklyn wanted to give Phoenix that chance to

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give the Anti up and then they
were going to explore aditional offers and the

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marketplace else where, either that season
or over the summer. We can't be

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sure, but because you're able to
get the asking price that you set where

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it does seem like Miami's haggling even
more because look, Damian Lud's not Kevin

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Durant, but the whole the idea
of stars who have signed extensions, it's

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and I'm not even talking about forget
the first contract after that rookie scale kind

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of just beholden to take it.
Anthony Edwards was never going to turn down

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max money from the from the Timberwolves
if he wasn't happy in Minnesota because that's

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his first chance to get put eight. I'm not saying he's not happy Minnesota,

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but that's how those people worried about
when they were worried about Lamela Ball

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or Zion Williamson sort of doing the
same thing. It's just never gonna happen.

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But I'm talking about like you're already
you're past that contract, You've signed

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others and now in Damian Lollard's case, in Kevin Durant's case, you've signed

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an extension with these teams under these
terms of how they were built. And

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in Brooklyn's case, yeah, the
shape the form of their team had changed.

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That's on Kevin Durant because he first
spearheaded the change to it, and

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then he tethered it to two stars
who didn't mesh together, and one in

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Kyrie ir Ring, who was just
so mercurial that he's submarine the entire thing.

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And so I don't view it as
sort of the NBA forcing these players

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into no win situations or it's a
double standard when it's oh, Damian Lillard

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can't request a trade, No,
I don't. I don't have an issue

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with that. I also don't have
an issue with the franchise working with him

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or him giving them a wish list. But when it comes down to you're

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able to dig tage just the one
team you're going to, then you should

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have let yourself reach free agency,
or you should have requested out when you

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only had a year left on your
deal rather than signing extensions. It's you.

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If you want to have a conversation
about does the MBA you need to

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abolish the draft because it's not fair
that these guys don't get to pick where

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they end up until X amount of
years into the league. That's a really

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tough discussion to have. I don't
think it's really pertinent here, but it

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doesn't apply because it doesn't apply here. Damian Lillard has signed multiple extensions with

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the Blazers now, and so if
I'm the Blazers, I'm making the best

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trade for the Blazers. As Joe
cronin. The issue here is, I

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don't know how many teams are willing
to pony up in part because of Damian

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Lillard's age, but also just in
part because, yes, some of the

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appeal is okay, he's under contract
for another four years, but that's also

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because these deals are getting so massive. That's also some of the drawback for

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certain organizations. And so you were
gonna winnow out some suitors even if it

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was open season on day Let's just
say he didn't have restrictions. You're gonna

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you're gonna winnow down the list of
suitors just by vault there. And so

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if you're then limiting it to only
contenders, and he's saying, oh,

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only Miami or Brooklyn, where I
don't know if Brooklyn would would be a

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contender with them, my guests,
my guess, my educated guestimate would be

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an aggressive No, they won't get
there. But if he wants to play,

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Michael Bridge is more power to where
Michael Bridge seems like a fantastic teammate

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Socam Johnson by the way, But
when you're already inherently limited because of the

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salary structure of this player, which
look no sympathy for the teams here.

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They signed Ami Lollard to this contract, they didn't have to give him that

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extension. They know that he could
have acted throughout, They know what type

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of leverage he might have had later
on in this deal, and so there

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is a level of Okay, we
don't need to you too far towards siding

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with the team here. I just
don't like the idea of when we've already

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eliminated top tier players leaving in free
agency for the most part, where Fred

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van Fleet feels like the biggest name
that's ever gonna shift unless something changes on

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the open market, and now you're
sort of taking away you know, free

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agency was always rigged in the sense
that these bigger markets were all he's going

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to have a heavy advantage. And
now more of these glamor markets or flagship

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franchise or the mode let's say,
just the usual suspects. When it comes

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to teams that would be willing to
pony up a lot of assets for trades,

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it's going to be the same teams
a lot of the time. And

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so you're removing other squads that might
be wanting to take a chance, like

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a no Casey spoiler alert, or
a New Orleans or a yeah, I'm

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just spitball here like that rational picture. They maybe a Toronto like they did

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with Kawai and as Okasey did with
with PG and even Utah. So they've

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been signed up, they've been kind
of in the mix on the periphery,

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but they've only called and had exploratory
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that it's patently Oh, then Dame
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mean it would be funny. I
just want one of these guys to go

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to the basketball nerdom spot, which
no, I want to go to a

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Casey be partler where I want to
go to San Antonio, which Damian Lillard

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the franchise Damillard has a deep respect
for whatever the heck that means. And

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look, I'm not saying he should
want to go somewhere that's completely shirking his

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timeline. I think, let you
San Antonio and even Utah has an example.

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Are they those two teams immediate contenders
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two players in San Antonio? Or
if it's Dame and let's say they keep

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Kessler and Lowry market and as part
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contenders? I'd argue no, But
like in Okay, see a New Orleans,

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if they decided to get involved,
then yeah. And so I don't

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like that this part of the process, And I don't know what the solve

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is, Like I honestly, you
know, this new CBA has it seems

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like more harsher fines where agents can
even be penalized and players for agents can

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be penalized if they're issuing public trade
requests on behalf of their clients. And

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I don't really know how that factors
in when it's you're kind of being open

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about it, and like all these
reports are leaking out, but does that

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count unless you just come out and
make a statement and say that Aaron Goodwin

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has said that Damian Lillard doesn't want
to be in Portland anymore. So I

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don't know what the solve is.
I just think it's unfortunate that one anyone

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who's using this is sort of a
measuring stick of morality for Damian Lillard about

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a person, let alone a basket, like, never mind a basketball player,

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but a person. That's kind of
bullshit. But I also think that

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we need to open our eyes and
say, okay, like if these players

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they've signed extensions by choice, and
they had all the leverage to begin with,

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and are now exerting leverage in such
a way where they're not only dictating

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their wish list, but they're dictating
the exact destination and the type of package

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that you're going to get for them. And look the way it's set up

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right now. I understand that if
you're Damian Lillard, although I haven't heard

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too much of this when it comes
to the Heat, but if you're Damian

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Lillard, you don't want the Heat, for instance, to bankrupt themselves because

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what do you want something left to
actually contend with? And I think you

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kind of go into this and acknowledge
that in Bradley Beal's case. Yeah,

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they're just going to be, you
know, asset poor when it comes to

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draft picks and young players. And
they already wear asset poor when it came

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to young players. You don't want
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okay, if they don't have to
give up DeAndre And maybe Washio was never

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interested in him, I get why
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So I understand everything that's going on
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but I do think that they need
players need to be more realistic. If

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you've chosen to sign these extensions and
you're the one asking for out that there

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needs to be I can you set
an arbitrary minorum like five teams that you

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at least need to pick, and
then you could look, there be run

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arounds around that. Damian Lillard could
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Miami and Brooklyn and so forth,
and you know, the Clippers and Lakers

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can't really give you realistic packages anyway, And so I don't know what the

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solve is here, but I'm all
for other teams getting involved and taking chances.

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I just like the current climate is
unfairly prohibitive to what when you look

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at the salaries and just the agency, not the agency, but the way

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that players are now delivering demands or
requests as you call them. And this

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is again not Damian Lillard specific.
I worry that it's going to deter those

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out of left field candidates from coming
in and deciding, hey, we're ready

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to accelerate our time, Like what
if the Magic kind of decided that Damian

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Lillard was the guy. I'm not
advocating for that, even though I already

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have. I want to see more
of that randomness is part of what makes

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the trade market interesting, and because
some people hate the transactions of this league

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or think that they're overcovered, and
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I don't know, I want to
both side that argument, but the transaction

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game has been largely neutered in a
sense where yeah, free agency and trades

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are still covered like they're this big
to do. The free agency is not

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a big to do anymore. It's
almost impossible to hand out bad deals,

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you know, unless you're paying Villain
Brooks eighty million dollars over four years,

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are deciding to give your entire Mini
Mlie to Reggie Jackson with a player option.

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But we're not talking about backbreaking deals. Jeremy grants like the longest one

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that's been given out over the off
season, non extension. Of course,

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it's just kind of a plug and
play guy that can be moved. I

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disagree with people who think that it's
going to be like this net positive asset,

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but it's not the end of the
world. And you look at even

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Fred van Fleet gets a MAX but
it's only two years guaranteed. Bruce Brown

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getting that massive salary but it's only
for one year guaranteed. So it's almost

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impossible to see these big games.
One reach free agency, then to leave

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in free agency, and then in
free agency itself. You're not we're just

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saying all these you know, big
deals or like this mark key player movement

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because teams understand asset preservation and the
extension rules were loosened on purpose because they

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wanted players sustain their current markets,
but then them signing extensions and agitating for

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out later. Again, I'm fine
with it. I just don't like the

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idea of them being able to create
these uber specific mandates where it's not something

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that's collaborative and it's not a wish
list of preferred destinations that's extensive, that's

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maybe ranking ten teams or whatever.
That it's just this one team or these

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two teams, and that's I think
that's where I diverge from the whole.

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You know, Damian Lillard as well, within his rights to do whatever he

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wants here, and look, he
I mean technically he is. I just

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don't have to like it, and
it's not just Damian Lillard specific. Of

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course, that was longer than expected
because it's me. But let's move to

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this question from Christopher, which is
a fact I've been campaigning for it,

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but not the question itself. But
Christopher asked, not saying it's going to

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happen, but with plenty of young
players and all the draft picks in the

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world, what do you think a
trade package for Dame too okay see would

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look like. So a few variables
come into play. Year one, knowing

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that Dame doesn't want to play in
Oklahoma City at least YO as far as

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we can tell at this point.
Two, you have to your offer is

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going to reflect that market of one
he doesn't want to play for you,

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and two that other teams probably aren't
going to come close to meeting what you

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would want because he has such a
finite wish list. The third variable for

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me would be if you're okay,
see if you're a team that's really going

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to accelerate attempting to accelerate their timeline. Part of the appeal of Damian Lillard

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is, yes, he's under contract, but that can also be for four

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years. But that can also be
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four years a two hundred plus million
dollars, two hundred eight plus million

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dollars. He's going into his age
thirty three season. I think it's going

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to be next year for him.
Yeah, he's about to turn thirty three.

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That can be a deterrent in theory, but you're viewing that against the

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backdrop of Okay, we're not on
his list and the market is not going

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to necessitate that we go over the
top. And then finally, you also

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have to look at it as if
we are acquiring him to accelerate our timeline.

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A huge part of that appeal is
rooted in, Okay, Damian Lord

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is with our core, and we're
not going to bust up our entire core

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to get him. And so immediately
I take that to view as shay Gil

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Alexander off limits, chet Homegren off
limits. Now you start to get into

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some interesting names. Jaylen Williams.
I'm putting him off limits because you're gonna

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need to win defense there after that. You can't just put red tape on

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everyone inside off limits. Josh Giddy
would need to be on the table,

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Kays and Wallace, Ushman, Jang
and even lu Dort. Now, if

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I'm the Blazers, though, I
think what gets interesting is there are two

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I guess issues. Here are two
things to tackle before we flesh out a

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package, and I have an exact
one that I think's at least a fair

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framework. Is let's start with the
lu Dort thing. His contract is a

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bargain. He's I remember when remember
the stinker shock some people had when he

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signed it, And now it's just
like you look at the cap rising and

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this dude is still on the right
side of twenty five. He's never gonna

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make more than seventeen point seven million
the final years a team option, he

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has four, so four more years
of team control. One of the most

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elite perimeter defenders. He can be
an offensive misadventure, but we've seen him

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go on heaters from three. Specifically, you have to ask yourself do you

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want lou Dort or do you want
extra drafts or prospect compensation? And so

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if I'm Portland, I'm going to
skew towards I want the picks, but

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you also have to take an consideration. Okay, Josh Giddy is such a

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high end prospect at this point with
two years left on his rookie scale.

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Good defender, great size of kicks, eight, good rebounder. It really

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improved his shooting and just off ball
work. Watching him play alongside SGA this

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year a lot that's going to be
not an opportunity cost, but that's going

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to take up real equity. It's
not the same as getting two of those

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Miami Heat first round picks that are
probably going to convey in the late twenties.

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And now you're Portland and so you
look at Josh Giddy, he is

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six eight and I think just reasonably
when you go through the thunders three most

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important players SGA, I would say
jilln Williams or Jet Homegrin. Maybe I'm

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overvaluating jilln Williams, Wing jadub or
Wing John Williams. We want to call

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him, but it also there's gonna
be overlap if you have Damian Lillard coming

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in and then you have Josh Giddy, An Sga and Kayson Wallace. So

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do the Blazers want Josh Giddy And
in the theory, yeah, he's six

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eight. You could play him with
Shaden Sharp and Scoot Henderson. That's just

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an Anthony Simons mix and match those
guys. But that's like a lot of

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different Like I'd be really interested in
seeing a Giddy Sharp Henderson line up.

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Fuck it, Like, throw Simons
out there and make Giddy the four.

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But that's just a lot of guys
who prefer to operate on the ball.

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Three of them, I guess you
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would but Simon's works off the ball. Sharp should be fine off the ball.

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But Henderson and Giddy there's a lot
of overlap there. Now, if

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you want Giddy, that's fine.
But I viewed this as you probably need

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to find a third team to go
after Josh Giddy. That's gonna send interesting

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player X and a first round pick
or something, and then you flesh out

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the package from there. So I'm
gonna see if I can throw the package

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I have up on screen and then
i'll, I will, I will read

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it off once since there it's a
little preview or something actually wrote about.

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So I had to write about this
trade package. You should be up by

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the time this is live, so
you're not seeing too far behind the curtain,

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although you are seeing behind the curtain. So three team trade involving the

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Spurs. The Blazers get Davis Burton's
who has you know, twenty two ish

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million guaranteed over the next two seasons, Ushman Jang Keldon Johnson, a twenty

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twenty four first rounder, most favorable
of the four that OKAC could own between

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Houston, the Clippers, OKC,
and Utah. Chicago's two twenty five first

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round pick, it's top ten protected
comes via San Antonio, and then Houston's

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two twenty six first round pick,
which is top four protected. Oklahoma City

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would receive Damian Lillard. This trade
needs to take place, I think on

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August twenty nine, when everyone could
be aggregated. The Spurs get Josh Kiddy,

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Victor Ladipo's expiring contract, and so
in essence, if you're when you

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look at this from like every side, Oklahoma City is given getting rid of

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Davis Burton's and Victoriola Depo. Then
giving up Ushman Jang, Josh Kitty,

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and three first round picks for Damian
Lillard. That's a like a pretty substanti

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full amount to give up. And
if you're if you're San Antonio, you

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look at this the lens of Okay
is giving up Kelvin Johnson and the Chicago

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pick worth Josh Kiddy. I really
like his fit in San Antonio. Maybe

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you'd like his from scratch off the
dribble creation more if he was banging in

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off the bounce jumpers a. He's
a really depth pass or a good remount

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of great size hopefully stretches the floor
enough at this point where he's not going

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to shrink it anymore than a Trey
Jones would and he's going to give you

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more on defense in the glass there. And then if you're Portland's, okay,

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you're taking on Thomas Burton's but you
get Ushman Jang, Kelton Johnson,

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whose four year extension is gonna be
one of the best in the league and

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he's only twenty three years old,
and then you're getting three first round picks.

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I think it's also actually okay.
SE's cost was two first round picks

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Usman Jang and Josh Giddy. Now
there are ways that you could mix in

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mac here where it's okay, if
Portland wants the lou Dort, you have

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a conversation. If they want Josh
Giddy themselves, you can cut out the

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middleman from San Antonio. So there
are different bacinations here, and okay,

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see just has picks for days they
could include. I mean, if they

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want to include that Denver twenty twenty
seven top five protected pick as sort of

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an add on. But if you're
Portland knowing what you can get from Miami

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and what other teams who are not
Miami or offering you, is long term

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cap relief plus Ushman, Jang,
Keldon Johnson and three first round picks a

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hall. And I think it's a
reasonable hall in this case, and so

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that would be the package I would
try to structure if I was Oklahoma City

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and it's again, there could be
different iterations of it, but the thunder

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standpoint, I think two first round
picks Ushmanjang and Josh Kiddy is a good

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place to start. If you think
there needs to be more pick equity coming

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from them, I think we have
to maybe sort of reevaluate which players are

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involved, or do you just include
lu Dort and you pull back on Josh

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Giddy or Ushman Jang in general.
I think, look, Ushman Jang is

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a really interesting link to me,
like sort of a connective guy at both

402
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:49,960
ends of the floor. And I
know we had that risk stuff this year,

403
00:24:51,079 --> 00:24:53,359
or the hand stuff whatever it was
that really limited him. But I

404
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,799
kind of liked what I saw a
lot of the time, especially pre second

405
00:24:57,839 --> 00:25:03,039
injury, pre first injury, whatever
it was. So I think that's a

406
00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:03,960
fair package. I would love to
see, Okay, see go for it

407
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,279
now. Of course this is all
moot and we shouldn't spend any more time

408
00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:10,160
on it because they absolutely won't.
It's Oklahoma City. But that is the

409
00:25:10,599 --> 00:25:12,079
that's the package. And then you've
left with a core of and look,

410
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,559
I think that's a reasonable offer,
and they have more picks to include if

411
00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:17,920
you need that, and they're not
giving up scrubs in that deal. They

412
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,440
have Kays and Wallace or Lexay Polkaevsky. If Portland really wants it, wants

413
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,640
him or another team wants him to
facilitate, they could reasonably build a Damian

414
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:33,119
Lillard trade package while having Lou dort
sga Ja, Jaylen Williams and chet Home

415
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,839
Grin And so you're just pairing those
dudes with Damian Lillard. That's just absolutely

416
00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:40,960
outrageous. In the scenario, you
could also build deals where maybe use of

417
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,559
nurkis is going back to San Antonio
in that you know, sort of version

418
00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:47,839
of it. You'd have to expand
it where Okay, they're taking Dort,

419
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,680
can you send Nurkish to San Antonio? But what are they pulling back?

420
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,759
Are you not getting as much first
round equity because that's staying with san Antonio

421
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,079
or going back to Okay. See, but yeah, that's the I think

422
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:02,400
Jang, Josh Giddy and two first
round picks and maybe you go to a

423
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,880
third if you're Portland. Let's say
the let's say the Spurs just aren't involved

424
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,200
and they're not sending Keldon Johnson and
if you can get three first round picks

425
00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:11,839
Jang and Keldon Johnson for Dame.
At this point, I think I like

426
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:18,400
that all for better than Miami's,
especially because the Hero Simon Sharp Henderson fit

427
00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:22,119
is just weird, even if you
think you can move Hero later. Let's

428
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,480
move on to some non Damian Lillard
related questions. Austin asked, who are

429
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,480
the best available options and where they
headed. I'm assuming you're talking about free

430
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,240
agency, and let's hope that this
is like not too dated by the time

431
00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:37,759
it comes out on Friday morning.
So six names I have circle here.

432
00:26:37,759 --> 00:26:41,240
I'm not ranking them in any particular
order. Recursus just PJ. Washington restricted.

433
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,920
He probably goes back to Charlotte,
but the Spurs could be fun.

434
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,799
I think they have like sixteen plus
million in cap space, or even if

435
00:26:47,799 --> 00:26:52,319
it was like they could work out
a sign in trade. So I can't

436
00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:53,559
really think of another team. And
just I think it's just because of how

437
00:26:53,559 --> 00:26:56,160
the cap has dried up here and
I'm not really in the business of thinking

438
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:03,119
about sign and trade destinations right now. Iodassumu, one of my favorites,

439
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,400
can defend basically one through four and
if the shot comes around it was fine

440
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,440
as a rookie dipped off last year, can still finish around the rim and

441
00:27:10,519 --> 00:27:11,759
keep the ball moving. I don't
know what it takes to get him.

442
00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:15,519
He's an early bird RFA. But
the Bulls signed Javonne Carter, they resigned

443
00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:19,880
Kobe White, they have Demarduroz and
Zach Lavine. And Alex Caruso. So

444
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,119
like, I don't think you're just
gonna get him for the minimum. I

445
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,799
would assume Chicago keeps him around.
But if like, if that was it

446
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,480
like a Boston, Dallas and San
Antonio a bunch of wiggle rooms. So

447
00:27:30,519 --> 00:27:33,960
those those teams can make sense.
Kellyer brig Junior is still floating around out

448
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,160
there. If you're missing out him. A tist thighball Ubrey doesn't provide nearly

449
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,119
as much defense, but just as
a wing archetype, he can make sense

450
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,400
in Dallas, Charlotte of course,
Utah maybe just they need more wings in

451
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,240
there. And he's not a pure
wing, but he's closer than Allowry.

452
00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:51,960
Marketing to a pure wing Christian Wood
is weird. I can't come up with

453
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,599
a market for him. I don't
even know, like what type of money

454
00:27:55,759 --> 00:27:56,920
is he getting at this point.
I don't think it's going to be from

455
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:02,000
Dallas. Brooklyn would be interesting thing, but they're still in attacks of right

456
00:28:02,039 --> 00:28:07,599
now. Charlotte maybe okaysee in Fury, but they just have that monster roster

457
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:12,240
crunch at this point where all their
transactioning Portland maybe post Dame trade, is

458
00:28:12,279 --> 00:28:17,920
that like a destination. I'm struggling
with Christian Wood doesn't like make a like

459
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,920
Boston could have maybe considered him instead
of Christops. Going all in out of

460
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,279
Christops porzingis trade, but you're just
not going to get anywhere near the level

461
00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:30,200
of defense slash rim protection. Javonte
Green is just one of my favorites.

462
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,640
I don't think he would rank maybe
in the top ten of available names from

463
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,680
most people. I think you'd be
a steel for anyone Denver as sort of

464
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:40,119
a Bruce Brown replacement defense someone who
has the positional malleability there maybe even can

465
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,160
guard up and even bigger wings than
we saw from from Bruce Brown. And

466
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,119
if his threes fall at the clip
they were before his injury this year,

467
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,640
that's big. And then finally,
how Madudialo, who's the subject of next

468
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:56,160
question from unbiased Pistons fan that should
timestamp that one specifically. I am sort

469
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,119
of intrigued that he hasn't been scooped
up yet and I kind of thought he

470
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:04,079
would leave Detroit this summer, but
liked, I just don't know where the

471
00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:07,079
market is coming from. This is
someone, Yes, there are spacing limitations,

472
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:12,039
but he just delivers really heavy drives. He can shy away from contact

473
00:29:12,039 --> 00:29:15,880
and take off from weird angle points. The free throw shooting is certainly an

474
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:22,240
issue, but he shot I think
it was after December thirty first, until

475
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,240
he suffered that right angle sprain.
He shot like forty eight plus percent from

476
00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:30,640
mid range, and a lot of
those were sort of pushes and extended layups.

477
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,519
But he looked comfortable when he was
turning a corner using one or two

478
00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:36,880
dribbles and pulling up. If that
part of his game is there, and

479
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:41,240
look, you can explore his three
point shot too. The pistons and Diato

480
00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:45,359
basically cut it from his diet by
by the end of you when he was

481
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,279
playing last season. A team with
better spacing can either maybe try to get

482
00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:52,640
more out of him as a standstill
shooter or just work around. If he

483
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,519
was able to get to Boston,
I just don't know why he ends up

484
00:29:56,519 --> 00:30:00,319
signing for a minimum type deal.
He could be interesting in Dallas still.

485
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,759
He'd be interesting in Indiana, but
they kind of already have that undersized wing

486
00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:08,440
type in in Bruce Brown. Charlotte
would be another team that I think he'd

487
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,480
be a pretty good fit on.
Utah maybe Sacramento, just because they could

488
00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:17,519
use the you know, the defensive
activity. But that's another one where it's

489
00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:22,279
like, could they get some real
sized wings in there. Philly would be

490
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,359
lucky if his market just creators or
they figure out that James Harden stuff and

491
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,759
understand like what version of the mid
levels there they're able to use. I

492
00:30:27,799 --> 00:30:30,559
think that that could be a really
good fit. So those are teams that

493
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,160
keep an eye on. I guess
my favorites would be Utah's not going to

494
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,599
happen, but I would really like
him in Utah and Philly and then maybe

495
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,559
Dallas just pivots there. Now the
Matisse typle stuff is gone again. He's

496
00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:47,559
he's smaller, but he's at least
a body that you can throw on like

497
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,519
tougher covers. I'm not gonna say
premier scores and like all the way up

498
00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:55,880
to certain wings, but he has
positional valuability there. And yeah, UnBias

499
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,839
Pistons fan asking what's up with how
M Dudillana having a deal yet He's probably

500
00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:03,279
didn't rank these, but so PJ. Washington and like are we shut?

501
00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:07,839
Anybody else is guaranteed to be better
than the hollow. I'm more intrigued by

502
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,960
Iota soon move probably Kelly Ubre maybe
be Christian, like he has to be

503
00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:15,119
on the top five free agents left
right, Like that's just that's just a

504
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,480
fact. At this point, Unbiased
Pistons Fan has a follow up question which

505
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,200
I tried to really research and think
about. Maybe I'm just not in the

506
00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:27,920
all time all team mode, but
Unbiased Pistons Fan asks, I've been thinking

507
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,319
a lot about an all time all
too good for Summer League team. Who

508
00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:33,880
should be on it? Jalen Williams, Keegan Murray and Lebron James or who

509
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,720
I have so far? That's an
interesting three, like super like two super

510
00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:42,640
recent dudes and then Lebron James.
So some of the names. I narrowed

511
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,160
it down to five names and at
midimum, they had to play two summer

512
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,200
league games. Kd average twenty five
plus points on forty five percent shooting in

513
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,680
two summer league games. Blake Griffin
was at nineteen and ten on fifty percent

514
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:57,079
shooting in Summer league. Kauai average
twenty seven I think, on forty seven

515
00:31:57,119 --> 00:32:00,240
percent shooting in Summer league. Lebron
of course dominated. I think he only

516
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,519
played in one game, so that's
like not fair, but I don't include

517
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:06,359
him Anyway, DAMARDA. Rosen was
kind of smooth, and he think played

518
00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:09,559
in like almost ten Summer League games. Maybe that defeats the purpose we're talking

519
00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:12,400
about. Oh, they're so good, they should have played in very few

520
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,559
Summer League games. And then the
entire twenty seventeen Lakers Summer League team which

521
00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:20,200
won the championship, but that had
Kuzma is the one who stands out specifically,

522
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,319
I think had that monster game,
either in the playoffs or in the

523
00:32:23,319 --> 00:32:28,440
actual championship. That's an interesting question, though, I will say from what

524
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,359
I've seen of Summer League, where
I haven't taken in any of the full

525
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,480
games that have been on so far, but I've watched a lot of not

526
00:32:35,559 --> 00:32:37,759
a lot of I've watched some film
on them, including of Julian Champenny.

527
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:43,359
For this next question, Keegan Murray
looks man and I know that was he

528
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,279
was already mentioned, but if Sacrament
was gonna let him explore, geez,

529
00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:52,000
that's gonna be an interesting like actual
development. I don't mean like, oh

530
00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:53,079
the development look at gam in the
ball and though his development is going to

531
00:32:53,119 --> 00:33:01,160
be super interesting. Next question comes
from Devin Vassell fan, does wenb have

532
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:06,680
what it takes to overtake Julian Champenny
as best player on the Spurs this year.

533
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:09,720
No, he does not, But
Julian Champenny will say I knew very

534
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:14,799
little about him, so I watched
everything that he did in the Summer league

535
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:19,279
games so far, called quote unquote
sumer League games so far. The three

536
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:22,799
point shot looks legitimate, super comfortable
when he's going and finishing with his right

537
00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:27,359
hand. He had a couple of
attacks where he looked super at home going

538
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,559
with his left hand. They don't
know if he can really finish with that

539
00:33:29,599 --> 00:33:32,440
would be a question. And there's
like some real defensive it just his size

540
00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:36,640
but six eight, but kind of
his activity, especially away from the ball

541
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,839
and in passing lanes, that's like
a dude like if you're looking to space

542
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,599
the flour and plug in play.
I would be very curious because he does

543
00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:45,079
look a little smooth with the ball
in his hands, could get choppy of

544
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,359
points. Can he improve? Is
kind of a passer and he's we'll see

545
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:52,599
if this translates to the regular Spurs, but he'd been like sneaky on the

546
00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:57,440
opensive glass so far in Summer League
and so like that's something to watch that's

547
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,880
a really good fine. I understand
now why people were so ecstatic about that

548
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:07,680
that contract Devin Vassell fan though,
second and more serious question, how confident

549
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,159
are you in the lineup of Devin
Vassell, Keldon Johnson, Jeremy Sollhan Victor

550
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:14,719
wemban Yama and Zach Collins playmaking wise? I just don't see any of them

551
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,480
getting benched. For Trey Jones,
I don't know where I land on whether

552
00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:21,400
I see any of them getting benched. You absolutely should be benching, I

553
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,119
would say Collins or Kelvin Johnson,
maybe even Jeremy Sowen, Like you just

554
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:30,119
need someone who can run the offense, and maybe that's wemban Yama and the

555
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:35,280
combination of having you know, Devin
Vassell's improved on ball skills and the sample

556
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,400
side you got from Jeremy Sowen last
year. But it's not Zach Collins.

557
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:42,519
We know it's not Kelton Johnson.
At this point, I would bring Kelton

558
00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:45,280
Johnson off the bench personally, but
he is. He gave him the extension,

559
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:51,199
so I understand the reticence there.
But just like the offense is potentially

560
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:53,920
going to be a slog just because
they're so young, and they're working without

561
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:59,239
that true captain or that floor general
who even with Trey Jones, yeah good

562
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:00,519
in maintaining his dream getting in the
lane, but doesn't have much of a

563
00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:04,480
three point shot. I just keep
coming back to the ball control and how

564
00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:07,760
protecting possessions is going to be crucial
for this team. Luca Danchich, Lebron

565
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,320
James, and Dame Lillard and Trey
Jones were the only players last year to

566
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,320
post an assist rate above thirty and
turnover rate below twelve. He just it

567
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,639
has nothing to do with him getting
the contract, which might have been one

568
00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:22,000
of the best deals or was one
of the best deals a free agency,

569
00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:24,920
might have been the single best deal
of free agency non minimum division. Of

570
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:29,280
course, you need to figure out
a way to get him, if you

571
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,360
need to make a ceremonial just to
not Brusigo is okay, whatever, But

572
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,079
he needs to be like the point
card right now, unlessure you're going to

573
00:35:36,159 --> 00:35:38,519
join the Damian Lord sweepstakes or try
and take a look at another point card.

574
00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:42,639
But I think that lineup, I'm
very intrigued by it, and let's

575
00:35:42,639 --> 00:35:45,280
see what Wemby looks like. Of
course, I'm a big believer an on

576
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:50,000
ball Devin Vassell and Jeremy Sowen,
but not right now. I think Ty

577
00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:52,360
Jones needs to be in there to
organize it, and I would bench Keldon.

578
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,880
But I also get I think if
you look at him right now,

579
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,960
he's probably more plug and play than
Jeremy Sowen, And so can you look

580
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,679
at benching Jeremy and bringing him off
the bench to try and run the second

581
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,239
unit more since you don't necessarily want
you don't want to sandwich all your creators

582
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,320
in the same line up. They'll
play a ton together no matter what,

583
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,360
but you want to give your rotation
some balance. So that's a way you

584
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,760
could go. I think the least
likely actually is probably you're not gonna bench

585
00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:21,800
Collins just because you don't want to
put women Yam in a position where he's

586
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,559
technically the center. And then at
that point like you're asking a lot defensively

587
00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:30,079
of Jeremy Sellen or and or Calton
Johnson. So I don't I don't think

588
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,800
ironically, I think so that the
saved ones are Wemby, I would assume,

589
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,639
I guess we shouldn't put it past
the spurds, but you're gonna have

590
00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:40,119
Wemby the Cell and Collins are like
your starters, unless they decide the Spurds

591
00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:45,400
decide, hey, we want to
throw another big in there where it's like

592
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:51,159
we're going to start a truer big
and I don't know Charles Bassie or like,

593
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,079
like they just don't even have him
at that point. So yeah,

594
00:36:55,159 --> 00:37:00,760
I'm maybe they bring back Georgijang or
something the side that I think at this

595
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,119
point, like Zach Halls might be
one of the safer ones they've They've Reggie

596
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:07,639
Block voting on this team now,
like this seems just a lot of fucking

597
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:09,920
wings. Remember when the Spurses didn't
have enough like perimeter players. This is

598
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:14,599
this is incredible how far we've come. That's a great question, though.

599
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:16,079
I'm insured to see how it plays
plays out, and I want to know

600
00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:20,599
what you would do, Devin Vassell
fan, I know it's not bench,

601
00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:25,119
Devin Vassell. Oh, this one's
fun or potentially embarrassing. It comes from

602
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:30,760
Real Syrup twenty two nineteen. Do
you have an off season take about the

603
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:35,679
draft of free agency that turned out
to be epically incorrect and or downright embarrassing

604
00:37:35,679 --> 00:37:37,360
over the past few seasons. I'll
share mind to get the ball rolling.

605
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,079
It was Spring twenty nineteen. Oh, we're painting a picture, my belove.

606
00:37:40,159 --> 00:37:44,159
Nuggets just lost a heartbreaking playoff series
to the Blazers at home in Game

607
00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:46,320
seven after being up three to two. Much of the off season scuttle butt

608
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,000
was about Michael Porter Jr. A
young, top five potential guy who was

609
00:37:50,039 --> 00:37:52,599
drafted in twenty and eighteen but didn't
play his entire rookie year due back surgery.

610
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:57,119
Could he come in and be the
final piece this roster needs to put

611
00:37:57,119 --> 00:38:00,559
them in true contender status. Not
according to me, I'm tired of hearing

612
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:04,119
about MPJ. As far as I'm
concerned, he's now expendable because we just

613
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,840
drafted bullball end quote who that's spicy, That's right up there. Mind's worst.

614
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:13,519
Where I predicted Kawai would be a
bust? Trying to focus on more,

615
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:15,320
Let's just focus on the last Like
two or three years, I missed

616
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,679
on the Jalen Brunston signing. It
was never the amount, but I had

617
00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:22,159
a problem with the mode of operations
that Nick took took the Knicks took as

618
00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:24,559
a stammer to get there, and
also just with what his fit would look

619
00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:28,280
like. I just underestimated him.
That was a big miss. I didn't

620
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,920
think Walker Kestler was gonna be mobile
enough to be an impact defender on the

621
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:36,119
defensive end, like more away from
the basket, I was. I missed

622
00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:38,199
him, like that's a wolf and
this is the worst one. And there

623
00:38:38,199 --> 00:38:43,719
are receipts on receipts on receipts of
this because it's basically a joint one from

624
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,519
Grant and I. This one's solo. I was not high on him and

625
00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:50,159
Mobley. I thought he was very
clearly like the worst of all those guys

626
00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:55,679
we were talking about between Scottie Barnes, Kay Cunningham, Kay Cunningham, Scottie

627
00:38:55,679 --> 00:38:59,480
Barnes and who owned Jalen Green and
like I might have had him below like

628
00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:01,679
one or two two other guys I
missed on. That was pretty bad.

629
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,159
The whole Evan Mobile and Jared Allen
can't really work together. They do have

630
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,920
warts. That was bad. This
is the one and it dovetails with Mobile

631
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:13,239
now and can't work together. Grant
and I called Jared Allen's hiding for four

632
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,280
years not famillion, one of the
worst contracts of what was that was the

633
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:22,960
twenty twenty one free agency. He
has one two alas always three more years

634
00:39:23,039 --> 00:39:27,480
left on this deal, so it
was there was last season. Oh my

635
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:30,000
god, time is weird. So
two and twenty two free agency? That.

636
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,039
How's that for super recent? All
these happened last summer, so we'll

637
00:39:32,119 --> 00:39:35,639
keep it super recent. There.
You could go back to some of my

638
00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:37,800
older stuff, and my excuse was
I was young and I was just trying

639
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,320
to pump out as much contest as
possible. Like I'd probably wrote some pretty

640
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,639
shitty, shitty stuff. My writing
was probably even worse than it is now.

641
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,079
But the Kauai I got called out. I think my cold takes exposed

642
00:39:47,119 --> 00:39:50,800
for it once and spurs Twitter one
at me, and then they fell in

643
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,320
love with me because they just owned
it. I was like, yeah,

644
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:53,679
I don't this was terrible. I
predict that he was going to be a

645
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,519
bust. Now I would never write
that. I won't predict bus I'll write

646
00:39:57,559 --> 00:40:00,880
about bust that have happened or in
the process of tr inspiring. I will

647
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,320
never Now that I'm more confident and
kind of understand how shitty it is to

648
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,360
be frank, but you get to
a certain point in your life and also

649
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:13,239
where you don't feel confident that you're
indispensable in the industry because it says in

650
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,320
my bio I'm professionally an essential,
but I would never write something like that.

651
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:19,599
Again, apologies to Quai, but
it seems like you it worked out

652
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,280
quite all right for you. Next
question comes from each p Burgie and I

653
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,599
wish I could give this one more
thought, but it's you know, four

654
00:40:27,639 --> 00:40:30,320
to thirty in the morning by me, and I'm tired, and I did

655
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,519
think about this. I think you'll
see by my answers has two questions quick,

656
00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:36,719
what if if Warriors raft l Mela
Ball instead of Wiseman, how does

657
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,400
the landscape of the NBA change.
I don't even want to answer that question

658
00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:45,239
because not that I don't want to
answer, because it goes into what you're

659
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,360
asking the next one. I think, yes, the Warriors would be infinitely

660
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:52,599
better off in theory, but as
LaMelo Ball allowed to be Lamela Ball like

661
00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:54,039
he isn't like this season, Lamel
Ball is not going to happen where he

662
00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:58,800
was just chucking like that's just so
much overlap with a with a Jordan Pool.

663
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,800
Then would he have been given the
freedom and the runway to make mistakes

664
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:06,400
and develop as a facilitator. I
think you can see that the IQ there

665
00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:08,239
is from the ball to fit with
the Warriors. And so how are the

666
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:14,320
Warriors different? I mean they're either
probably talking about an extra championship from now,

667
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,000
like maybe there's you know where they
had the two gap years? Is

668
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,239
it only one? I don't I
don't know, or did they flip a

669
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,199
Melo ball for someone spicy, like
when they finally made that Jordan pooltray.

670
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,760
Like let's say get to this point
anyway, but you had LaMelo ball this

671
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,280
past season instead of Wise, Like, who are we talking about on gole

672
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,440
in State right now? Pascal Siakam, Damian Lillard himself. I don't know,

673
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,519
so I think that's how it changes. But I don't want to spoil

674
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:39,639
too much of your next question.
And I think you had I delete it

675
00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:43,199
here And if I'm doing this un
solicited, I guess whatever. It is

676
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,880
my podcast. But are there any
other No, there aren't any other wives,

677
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:52,119
but I kind of thought of like
along similar lines. Well, nough

678
00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:53,639
it ties into your side question,
so h P. Bergie also asked how

679
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,400
much do you think role situation matter
when it comes to players being bust or

680
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,400
not? For example, what James
Wise and being all star if he was

681
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,800
drafted by someone else, Kennor HASNAPA
with Lebron have been not as good if

682
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,840
he was drafted somewhere else? Basically, I'm asking his people's careers are predetermined

683
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,079
verts all up in the air.
Can you think of some other examples where

684
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:10,280
the team or player got drafted by
a player that really mattered? So,

685
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,199
yeah, this is what I had
marked. And I think one of the

686
00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:19,039
big ones is just like, Okay, Thomas Robertson and Sacramento and was that

687
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:21,800
two thousand and twelve? Would he
still be in the league or been a

688
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,519
much better player if he was able
to develop outside of the Kings? And

689
00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:27,400
I think you could even ask that
about Marvin Bagley of a third. I'm

690
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,800
not trying to throw all this ship
at the Kings, but it's it's a

691
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,679
fair question. Never would have lived
up to the Luca Dodgich hype, of

692
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,199
course, And then they're sort of
the inverse where it's like, well,

693
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,679
what if Damian Lillard had gone earlier
in two thousand and twelve, and like

694
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,039
or you can even like do it. We're talking about missed opportunities where it's

695
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:45,239
is Chris Paul, Chris Paul if
he ends up in Atlanta in two thousand

696
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:49,000
and five, and so I think
you and you could go back, like

697
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:51,480
what if Steph Curry goes to a
different team, YadA, YadA, YadA.

698
00:42:51,519 --> 00:42:52,880
I think you get to a level
of stardom that is always going to

699
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,400
do bust out no matter what.
And maybe because it takes time, like

700
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,760
Steph Curry might be an example,
was not the best version of Curry until

701
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,920
later in his career. Would you
not have been able to find that with

702
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:07,840
certain teams who didn't eventually grow to
understand or hire a coach that knew how

703
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,559
to maximize or optimize his skill set
or at least grant him the freedom to

704
00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:15,960
be Steph and really just a fine
game that we're watching today. And so

705
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:17,719
some of Mike Lebron James, I
don't worry that he always would have been

706
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,960
transcendent. I do think Steph Curry
revery been would have would have broken out.

707
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,480
When it comes to guys, where
is there sort of this untapped star

708
00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:29,840
potential? I guess I think a
lot about Larry Market in a little bit

709
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:34,719
in Chicago where it's okay, well
that was clearly Chicago and Cleveland, because

710
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,679
you saw two situations where Chicago was
just misusing him. He had dealt with

711
00:43:37,679 --> 00:43:40,960
a bunch of injuries, there was
log jams there, bad coaching, badfront

712
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,920
officing, bad everything. Then he
goes to Cleveland and he's solid, but

713
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,280
he's he's not playing out a position. At that point, he showed he

714
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,719
can play the three, but he's
not anything close to a focal point even

715
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,840
as a play finisher. Then he
goes to Utah and really bust out because

716
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:58,280
things are more built for him to
have the freedom to do so, and

717
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:04,960
then buy necessity, by exploration,
he'd busts out, and then by necessity

718
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,559
he becomes so central to everything that
they're doing. And so I do think

719
00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:12,039
that it does matter where you're drafted
and how you're used to an extent when

720
00:44:12,039 --> 00:44:14,679
it gets to that level, though, feels really rare. Now. James

721
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,280
Wiseman, for example, what happens
if he was on a team that ran

722
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:21,000
a bunch of traditional pick and roll
and just had Pristine's spacing And I guess

723
00:44:21,039 --> 00:44:23,599
the Warriors had one or the other. But if had Pristine's spacing, ran

724
00:44:23,639 --> 00:44:28,599
a bunch of traditional pick and roll, and we're willing to kind of slog

725
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:32,440
through his defensive mistakes and weren't on
that immediate timeline. Could he be better?

726
00:44:32,519 --> 00:44:36,360
Could he be an All Star?
It's just so tough to say.

727
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,599
I do think when it comes to
I think I would say from like one

728
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:45,000
or two time All Stars and below, like if if that was their best

729
00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:47,960
case outcome, which I guess there's
no way to know this. You're more

730
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,320
likely to be impacted by where you're
drafted than if you're just like a perennial

731
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,679
All Star or an All MBA,
multi time All MBA type player, not

732
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,079
sort of a one off where lowry
marketing. I'm not saying he's a one

733
00:44:58,119 --> 00:45:00,119
off, but it would be really
my melting if he's just he didn't even

734
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:02,880
may call HIMBA this year, but
if he just starts contending for it.

735
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,639
And there's also different scales of it
where it's like, okay, well sabonus

736
00:45:06,679 --> 00:45:09,440
in Orlando and Okac was kind of
nothing like we saw him and Indiana.

737
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:14,000
Is that just a matter of waiting
and time or actual situation? Was it

738
00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:16,519
both? So? I think that
level of star again, someone who can

739
00:45:16,559 --> 00:45:21,199
make All MBA and maybe multiple All
Star games, you can absolutely be shaped

740
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,840
and see your career altered by where
you're at. But I do tend to

741
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:29,559
think that stardom will invariably break through, and so like even if it's a

742
00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:31,320
James Wisen being on his third chance, I don't know if Detroit's the right

743
00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:37,199
ecosystem, especially they have more shooting
on that roster. But like just with

744
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,880
Asar Thompson, Kay, you mean
his jump shot, He's come around,

745
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,280
Kay Cunningham, Jay and Ivy did
improve there. So maybe there is enough

746
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,119
spacing, especially when you're looking at
Alec Burke's Boyan Bogdanovich and now you have

747
00:45:47,159 --> 00:45:51,239
it's about to say Cam Johnson,
but it's actually Joe Harris there. Maybe

748
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,239
you just see something. He seems
like someone who needs to be the primary

749
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,239
big, and if he's not just
the primary big, it's almost like the

750
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,519
inverse of John Collins, where yeah, he needs to be a five on

751
00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:05,039
offense, but you might need him
to be something less than that on defense.

752
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:07,079
But we I honestly, I don't
know. You just have to kind

753
00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:10,480
of watch him wait and see.
So the one that I'm always fascinated by

754
00:46:10,559 --> 00:46:15,800
though it's Franknie la Keina obviously no, but is actually just I mean,

755
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,360
I'm not gonna Lie Frankie Kinasti fascinates
me. There were Thomas Robinson is the

756
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,440
one that I constantly come back to
where he had if he had ended up

757
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,400
somewhere in Sacramento. He just had
so many of the tools that I just

758
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:30,519
feel like he could have been just
something on both ends of the floor.

759
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:32,360
I'm trying to think of like a
comp for him, and I don't really

760
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,760
have a great one, like all
Blake Griffin with defense or something, and

761
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,280
maybe he never would have had that
playmaking acumens. That's not fair. That's

762
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:45,440
a great question though. Next question
comes from kill Hoss. Will you be

763
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,960
watching summer league games? And if
not, will these for a few box

764
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:53,079
and pox scores. I'm sure I'll
be watching some as I hopefully, once

765
00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:57,480
I start feeling better, I will
make sure to catch Wenby's debut, so

766
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,199
I'll be watching some full summer legue
games. I do a lot of more

767
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:05,599
film rewatching, and yeah, you'll
do box box score diving and then you'll

768
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:07,519
try and look be like, oh, I need to go watch that game

769
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:10,920
or those players possessions. That's to
me, that's the most effective way to

770
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,280
cover the league, especially when you're
at the summer league level, where a

771
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:15,239
lot of it him would come undane
for me. At this point, guys,

772
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:19,079
I'm not gonna lie like this is
the slog time, not just because

773
00:47:19,079 --> 00:47:22,119
I'm sick, but like I've gone
through the entire regular season, the trade

774
00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:24,239
deadline, prepping off season content,
trying to keep track of the moves in

775
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:28,239
the salary sheets. We're gonna get
into grades probably soon, and then it's

776
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,800
you know, how much of the
summer league can I I don't know what

777
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,639
to read into it, and I
tend to I will say I tend to

778
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,119
do lex less like box score informing
where it's okay. If I need to

779
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:42,840
go, like I see a player
over the last ten games has done X

780
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,440
in the regular season, I will
take that and then try and go back

781
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:46,840
and watch or if I'm taking in
full games at that point, to see

782
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,519
what I need to be watching for
in summer league. I really do.

783
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,199
Like That's why I rely on the
eye test the most, which is maybe

784
00:47:52,199 --> 00:47:57,400
why I'm so bad at predicting summerleague
success into translate into the regular season.

785
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,039
Although Desmond Bane when my bigger hits, when I saw him go start handling

786
00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:04,639
the ball the summer before his sophomore
season, I was like, I think

787
00:48:04,679 --> 00:48:06,880
that's what it was. I was
dis dude, is gonna break out?

788
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,440
So my one hit volume shooters don't
always miss. So yeah, I will

789
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:15,079
be watching summer Summer League games or
at least film on it. I rely

790
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:19,480
on the eye test a lot more
than the box scores for those and unless

791
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,360
I'm covering it, and then you
want box score contextualization. But I can

792
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,000
tell you now, I don't think
I'm gonna be bleach. Reporters trying to

793
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,400
give me to go to some league
multiple times I always decline, in part

794
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,440
because of just the anxiety having to
cover it with all those people there,

795
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:34,960
and then too just again like I'm
at the point where I'm like burnt out,

796
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,000
and so we're gonna get We're gonna
reach a stage where I've time to

797
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,639
take a breath and like we're just
gonna turn around and maybe get into off

798
00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:43,679
season. Not maybe I'll try to. I will get into off season,

799
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:49,880
look aheads unless something happens like this
podcast remaining wildly unprofitable at this stage.

800
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,039
So yes, we'll be watching Summerleague. Definitely will catch Wemby's debut, and

801
00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:57,800
from what I can tell, Julian
Champennie already looks like a future Hall of

802
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:05,480
Famer. Next question comes from Moose
Machine. The Bucks have all things,

803
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,880
consider it a pretty good summer so
far, but seemed to have a glaring

804
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,039
hole at point guard. How should
they fix that? Any they should get

805
00:49:10,039 --> 00:49:14,199
a point guard? Come on,
Moose Machine. Any decent free agents left

806
00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:15,920
for a minimum already trade you could
think of they should swing. Also,

807
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:20,840
Bucks fans seem obsessed with trading for
Colin Sexton. Thoughts on his potential fit

808
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,559
on the team and how feasible it
is to trade for him. That's interesting.

809
00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:28,039
So I think it would probably come
down to I'm very curious how Utah

810
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:30,280
would value Colin. You can get
his salary, by the way, but

811
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,599
it canna cost you players that you
want, Like so Colin Sexton's at seventeen

812
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,239
point three million this year, and
so Milwaukee. It doesn't have to be

813
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,599
dollar for dollar match, but it
will be one hundred and ten percent.

814
00:49:40,039 --> 00:49:44,039
I think it's like you need to
send out pretty close to that. You're

815
00:49:44,039 --> 00:49:46,239
gonna need to get rid of two
of Bobby Portis. I guess Jay Crowder

816
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:52,280
once he's trade eligible, Grayson Allen, pat Conaton what does what does Utah

817
00:49:52,639 --> 00:49:55,800
evaluate him? As they do have
a Baji. They just drafted Bryce Sensiba

818
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,239
and they also have Who's who's the
other? One day you have another score

819
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,840
and I'm forgetting Let's look at their
let's look at their little sheet here.

820
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,159
They did they extended Jordan Clarkson and
so he is still there, Keyante George

821
00:50:08,199 --> 00:50:12,559
and so like having all those names, do they value Sexton less? Even

822
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:15,760
with Tayn Horton Tucker being back?
And then it's all right, you're not

823
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,360
giving up. You're just in first. Are you're gonna give up Marjan bow

824
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:22,920
Champ? Or let's just say,
you know, does like does this package

825
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:28,280
of let's say it's gonna be great? I would say Grayson Allen and Pat

826
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,159
Conathon is the deal? Like is
that worth getting Colin Sexton? I mean

827
00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:35,519
maybe does Utah even want to Grace
and Allen reunion? I don't think you're

828
00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:38,320
giving up Bobby portis in that deal? You could step out of your way

829
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,880
to three salaries where it's kind of
like if it was one of Alan or

830
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,000
Content and then you went to like, are you going to give up Marjan

831
00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:50,159
bow Champ? Look at that point
and then you give up another salary.

832
00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:52,480
I think that might get you pretty
close, but not even there. It's

833
00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:55,280
tough for the Bucks to get to
a number if you're willing to include Jake

834
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,559
Crowder. But I just don't think
Utah's gonna want to be in the Grayson

835
00:50:58,599 --> 00:51:00,440
Allen or Jake Powder business. But
I shouldn't say that about Grace now.

836
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,480
It's a different front office and dido
for For Jay Crowder, I think he

837
00:51:04,519 --> 00:51:07,840
could be a good fit. That's
just not someone who I view as a

838
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:12,199
potential closer for them, just because
you're looking at Brooke, Jannie, Chris

839
00:51:12,199 --> 00:51:15,880
Middleton, and Drew. I guess
you can close with Sexton, but then

840
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:20,079
it's just you've decided that Chris middletonager
and draw your wing defenders, and so

841
00:51:20,119 --> 00:51:23,000
you're gonna be sacrificing something either at
the point of the attack or on the

842
00:51:23,039 --> 00:51:27,360
wings there. Which is why I
might like Jay crowd or even Pat Compton

843
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,000
better in that I might even well
defensively, won't like Millie Beasley. I

844
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,920
thought that was an excellent flyer for
them. By the way, in terms

845
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,320
of free agent options, I don't
really think there's anyone who could be a

846
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,559
difference maker if I would assume he
was just gonna, you know, Chicag's

847
00:51:37,559 --> 00:51:40,039
gonna let him walk for the minimum
to a division rival, the conference rival,

848
00:51:40,119 --> 00:51:43,679
whatever. Yeah, I would love
him. He doesn't provide, I

849
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,000
think the offensive juice you need,
but just take the flyer's going on dragging

850
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:49,360
to do anything. Do you want
to be the team that like sees if

851
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,599
Kemba's knees have anything left, or
what's going on WITHI on wall? Frank

852
00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:54,519
niel Keena is out there and I
heard that he's one of the best off

853
00:51:54,519 --> 00:51:59,880
the dribble jump shooters in the league
of all time. Actually, Tail Maldone

854
00:52:00,039 --> 00:52:01,360
would be interesting. I do think
he's on a two way with Charlotte,

855
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:06,119
but he would be gettable. Does
Paddy Mills eventually get wave that could be

856
00:52:06,119 --> 00:52:09,280
someone or what about a Davante Graham. He's a partial guarantee for twenty four

857
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:14,679
twenty five, so maybe not.
That might be something that's more mid season.

858
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,880
Looking at trade targets. Trey Man
would be someone in Oklahoma City,

859
00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:24,079
very guard heavy at this point,
and there's like real shake and separation and

860
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:28,280
bounce and directionality to his on ball
game. He will take step backs,

861
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,840
he will get in the lane,
hit floaters, create separation, react to

862
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:36,159
sort of that chaos. He was
just wildly inefficient this past year. Do

863
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:37,639
you take a flyer on him?
He's only making he has another year left

864
00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:40,400
on his rookie scale too, And
so it's what, I don't know what

865
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:45,639
the salary matching is, Like,
he's making such little money that you might

866
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,599
like, do you double up on
players? And you can't really do so

867
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:52,920
until the middle of the season.
I don't think the Bucks have any trade

868
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:57,639
exceptions. Nope, they do not
that they can use here. So like

869
00:52:57,679 --> 00:53:00,719
that's a more complicated for them because
they can only trade these bigger numbers where

870
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:05,039
it's okay, well, if you're
willing to move Grayson Allen or Pat Connaton

871
00:53:05,159 --> 00:53:07,440
for this guy, like what else
is the deal? Including you're not getting

872
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,800
Kendrick Williams for that, You're gonna
take on Victor Oladipo's money. You're like

873
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,960
Patty Mills and Trey Man, Like
is that just the money for Grayson Allen

874
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,280
or Pat Connaughton? Are you that
out on any one of those those guys?

875
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:21,039
So it's a small number, but
it's like if you're making it over

876
00:53:21,079 --> 00:53:27,360
the offseason's actually kind of difficult for
Milwaukee to to pull off Tis Jones his

877
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,760
fourteen million dollars salary. Doesn't you
know, better shooter than Trey Jones.

878
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,519
Definitely better game manager as well,
won't turn the ball over as much.

879
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,719
Do you think he's gonna close though
him and draw? I think you play

880
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,639
him and Drew to again, that's
a dumble question. Again, you're making

881
00:53:39,639 --> 00:53:44,239
sort of the same defensive sacrifices.
It's coming get the point of attack just

882
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,239
because you're not gonna you know,
moved I guess you moved Ties to off

883
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:50,159
guard through Drew point of attack in
Middleton on the wings, so there will

884
00:53:50,199 --> 00:53:53,840
be a defensive concession there. This
is probably more of a mid season one

885
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:57,719
and that, but they could get
the number depending on where the nets go.

886
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,159
Spencer Dinwoody could be mega interesting for
this team. And so those are

887
00:54:00,159 --> 00:54:05,119
all the names that I thought of. Hope you enjoyed this sub one hour

888
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895
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