1 00:00:26,559 --> 00:00:30,039 Hello everybody, Welcome back to That's on a Metal, your weekly rock and 2 00:00:30,079 --> 00:00:34,000 metal podcast, and welcome back to the album review show, because well, 3 00:00:34,119 --> 00:00:37,880 I hope everybody who went to to Bloodstock or Arctangent in the last couple of 4 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,079 weeks had an amazing time. Those are like almost like the big markers of 5 00:00:41,119 --> 00:00:43,759 the beginning of the end of the summer here, really, aren't they? 6 00:00:44,039 --> 00:00:47,920 And so now we grind on through the rest of the releases that are to 7 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,880 hit our ears this year. My name is Perrin Hash because last week's show 8 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:56,200 was just myself doing the Bloodstock review. Sam Dignon and Elliott Paisley haven't been 9 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,560 on the show with a couple of weeks, so hello, how the heck 10 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,159 are we? What have you guys been up to while I was taken in 11 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:04,560 the rays and the rain and watching Kills which engage being jealous about not watching 12 00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:08,840 Killswitch Engauge like that, that's very inaccurate. That is the set from that 13 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,239 blood Stock, like we can like when I go to the set list and 14 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:15,159 the sort the back half and I was just like you, motherfucker, because 15 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:19,120 they're like they are come to my favorite band on that lineup and then putting 16 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,280 out that set list, I was like, hey, nice, glad, 17 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,560 glad. Bloodstock was a good time, and yeah, I've not really done 18 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,200 very much at all in the time between that, so apart from you know, 19 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:36,000 chat about big Sharks if you yeah, yeah, mainly just morning the 20 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,840 folks. I wasn't at Bloodstock this year, maybe more than any other festival 21 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,760 the years I don't go, Sting the most, and this show I was 22 00:01:41,799 --> 00:01:47,000 hoping to go, but tripped are snowed and planned like kaiking trip with a 23 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,640 bunch of people and the weather was fucking appalling so we didn't get clots. 24 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,840 You're still on the mountain, clinging to the rocks, trying not to afford 25 00:01:53,879 --> 00:01:59,439 just going. Could have watched Trips Coon, you could have done, and 26 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,200 I should have done. So yeah. So basically as we've just gathered from 27 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:06,280 that conversations that I had the best time and I have had the best few 28 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,840 weeks. So yeah, lovely, lovely for me. Let's move on into 29 00:02:09,319 --> 00:02:13,080 our review show. As I said, where today we are going to be 30 00:02:13,159 --> 00:02:17,960 talking about the new records from Spanish Love Songs. The excerpts Teenage rist Skin, 31 00:02:19,039 --> 00:02:24,520 dred Urn, Spirit Adrift, Horrendous and Celestial Sanctuary and we have a 32 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,800 bit of news to catch up with. The first bit of news is that 33 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,960 bring me the Horizon announcement a couple of days ago, saying that they're upcoming 34 00:02:34,159 --> 00:02:38,039 Next Gen EP or slash mini album whenever they call these things. The second 35 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:42,599 part of the Post Human series that started a few years ago, that was 36 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,080 going to be coming out on September fifteenth. It was going to be the 37 00:02:45,159 --> 00:02:47,840 lead review in our next month's reviews bag. That is now going to have 38 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:52,479 to be postponed just for them to continue working on it and get it out 39 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,120 in the state that they want it to be out. They have not announced 40 00:02:55,159 --> 00:03:00,599 a replacement date as of yet. It would be nice if out before the 41 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:05,360 January tour. Like the album is all over the tour poster art and everything, 42 00:03:05,479 --> 00:03:07,280 so I feel like, I don't know, if the tour comes around, 43 00:03:07,319 --> 00:03:08,800 then it's all the same news that they were playing, I know, 44 00:03:08,879 --> 00:03:13,759 download for example, like it. It would be good to have that record 45 00:03:13,759 --> 00:03:17,719 out by that big arena tour for them. But otherwise, again, no 46 00:03:17,879 --> 00:03:21,159 news on why right now, apart from like obviously they want to, you 47 00:03:21,159 --> 00:03:23,120 know, continue working on it. No news on when, but we'll obviously 48 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,439 we'll talk about it when it comes out. I looked at this and next 49 00:03:27,439 --> 00:03:29,360 month is a very busy month, and night and I, you know, 50 00:03:29,599 --> 00:03:31,159 I breathed a sigh of release, and you know, wor the sweat for 51 00:03:31,199 --> 00:03:35,599 my brow going, Yes, now Corey Taylor's album kind of slot in and 52 00:03:35,599 --> 00:03:38,520 take the place. I was like, yeah, wires. And then when 53 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:39,560 you mentioned Corey Taylor's and I was like, oh, well, there's no 54 00:03:39,639 --> 00:03:43,120 celebration. I don't actually know if that is the case or not. I 55 00:03:43,159 --> 00:03:45,960 just did it. Might we'll see what it does, but you know, 56 00:03:46,039 --> 00:03:49,000 there is a space opened up for something of that kind of measure. But 57 00:03:49,039 --> 00:03:52,960 yeah, well obviously we'll talk about briging Horizon when that comes around. And 58 00:03:53,039 --> 00:03:57,479 unfortunately, the kind of main bulk of the news in this particular show is 59 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,240 we have to have a very serious convers Asian about something that's been put out 60 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,680 there by a prominent member of you know that the heavy music scene. The 61 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:14,159 last few days have been a real mess over in the via As Murder camp. 62 00:04:14,159 --> 00:04:17,759 For for one thing, this all kicked off when CJ. McMahon, 63 00:04:17,879 --> 00:04:25,800 the vocalist of Viatas Murder, posted a well reposted a meme of some kind 64 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:31,439 that I believe came from the I think right wing commentator what is a woman 65 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,279 film thing he did? Okay, yeah, again, I'm not I'm not 66 00:04:34,319 --> 00:04:39,199 a follower of that guy. So you know, it's like I've had to 67 00:04:39,439 --> 00:04:44,040 put several It's one of exa I'm aware of because of you know, constantly 68 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,720 battling against that sort of stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, 69 00:04:46,959 --> 00:04:49,079 But you know it's not a name that you're here in nice circles suppose. 70 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:54,399 But reposted a meme that came from, you know, his page, and 71 00:04:54,600 --> 00:05:00,120 c J added a little comment. The mem in question was basically a a 72 00:05:00,319 --> 00:05:03,920 child saying to their parent that they no longer you know, that they do 73 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:08,399 not identify as either a boy or a girl, and the parent goes, 74 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:13,519 okay, that's the extent of the thing. C J posted a little comment 75 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,040 underneath it, saying that the parent in question, the mother, should be 76 00:05:16,079 --> 00:05:21,040 burned to death, at which point he then jumped off of social media after 77 00:05:21,079 --> 00:05:27,519 the extreme and very justified pushback to that particular post, saying that he was 78 00:05:27,519 --> 00:05:30,519 actually going to go and start an only fans where he would kind of, 79 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,959 you know, be able to post his completely you know, uncensored thoughts without 80 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:40,920 people coming for him in that way, and obviously then this you know, 81 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,959 took over, you know, the conversations around around metal circles and so on 82 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,319 other forms of social media. And then I believe a day or so after 83 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:54,160 this went down, thea As Murdered themselves posted on their own official band page 84 00:05:54,439 --> 00:05:57,759 a picture of a trans flag with a little caption saying, you know, 85 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,839 just in case you needed, you know, word from us, we support 86 00:06:00,879 --> 00:06:05,600 you. There are multiple prongs to this. First there is the nature of 87 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:10,000 what CJ said, and then due to you know, the severity of that, 88 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:14,879 the the the validity of via As murders response, and I guess to 89 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,959 establish that we really have to establish you know, the former and the nature 90 00:06:18,959 --> 00:06:24,040 of what CJ said here, which we really have the moment to kind of, 91 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:30,519 you know, draw a line and say that is completely unacceptable. I 92 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,000 mean again, this is one that for me personally, I'm going to feel 93 00:06:32,519 --> 00:06:38,120 very strongly about transphobia within metal. Has you know, been a thing that's 94 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,680 cropped up a few times. I mean, fucking Alice Cooper's off getting controversy 95 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,160 about it as well. I was going to bring them like the thing with 96 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,439 the like the Alice Cooper one, you know, that's an old guy who's 97 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,439 like a fucking boomer. Like, I'm not going to get two words about 98 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:56,600 someone like that being out of touch on trans rights like whatever the CJ one 99 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:02,279 is. This isn't you know, casually using a slur or something like that 100 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,519 to you know, just that's can be put down to dumb ignorance. There 101 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:13,800 is a real clear hatred and like threat of violence, like even you like 102 00:07:14,839 --> 00:07:18,560 towards like women on that that is like deeply uncomfortable. In his initial comment, 103 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:23,600 which goes beyond the kind of like realms of what you know, you 104 00:07:23,639 --> 00:07:27,800 can how much you can kind of brush off as ignorance stupidity, there is 105 00:07:28,439 --> 00:07:31,439 like sort simply deep inside that that has led to him kind of feeling that 106 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,000 way, And so it's a really uncomfortable one. I mean I initially missed 107 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,240 the actual post and just saw him kind of backway for social media, and 108 00:07:38,279 --> 00:07:40,920 then it was if you there's that when a few people kind of just bring 109 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,279 attention to it and it started to get coverage and I was like, yeah, 110 00:07:44,279 --> 00:07:47,279 this is crazy how this nearly got swept aside. Yeah, and again, 111 00:07:47,839 --> 00:07:53,040 the first thing you want to say is that it's just a horrible idiot 112 00:07:53,079 --> 00:07:57,360 fucking thing to say. And it's not a case as you were saying, 113 00:07:57,399 --> 00:08:00,000 it's it's not a case of oh it's it's just a different political view. 114 00:08:00,399 --> 00:08:03,319 He is open to debate or whatever, which is a dangerous game anyway in 115 00:08:03,399 --> 00:08:05,839 terms of language when you are talking about the current conversation around you know, 116 00:08:05,959 --> 00:08:09,720 people's use on transgender or you know, non gender conforming people in general at 117 00:08:09,759 --> 00:08:15,279 the moment. But what CJ posted wasn't even disguised as that, as like 118 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,800 most transfobes have the courtesy to do like, it was just openly violent. 119 00:08:18,839 --> 00:08:22,319 And I think again that is a difference between you know again, Alice Cooper 120 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,079 this week has been booting off in an interview about his concerns on you know, 121 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,040 the trans fad and what have you, and and it's you know, 122 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,439 it's difficult and it's upsetting to see. But that is, you know, 123 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,759 like we've seen Paul Stanley and some other folks this year, you know, 124 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:39,919 like a seventy year old man being fooled by some usual kind of gender critical 125 00:08:39,279 --> 00:08:43,799 straw man arguments, getting sucked into a debate that he doesn't have to be 126 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:48,120 involved in. He's wrong, and he's parroting dangerous language. But you know, 127 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,919 I don't want to call him a bigot for that. You can you 128 00:08:50,919 --> 00:08:54,200 can kind of like so say, okay, whatever, he's just out of 129 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,919 touch, Like yeah, like cjm at Man said something, were such an 130 00:08:56,919 --> 00:09:01,840 extreme level of visceral hatred in the language that was used that you have to 131 00:09:01,879 --> 00:09:03,360 go straight away, okay, you know, all right, no, halt 132 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,399 fuck all the way off, because like even if he was being flippant with 133 00:09:07,399 --> 00:09:09,320 his language and didn't mean it as intensely as he phrased it, which will 134 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,759 be giving him some serious benefit of the doubt. But even if that was 135 00:09:11,799 --> 00:09:16,080 the case, there are people out there who would see that post and genuinely 136 00:09:16,159 --> 00:09:20,759 do believe that trans folk and non binary folk, and you know, in 137 00:09:20,759 --> 00:09:24,080 this case not even then, but their FAMI support, allies supported should should 138 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,840 be treated with violence. And you do not want to be saying anything that 139 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,399 encourage those people. There is situations in America of trans kids, you know, 140 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,039 being threatened to be taken away from their parents who are like supportive and 141 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:41,360 help them like align with their gender. They they have not their their gender 142 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,440 wasn't assigned to them at birth, and so this is happening. You know, 143 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,039 parents and support people are having to deal with the strongest it as well. 144 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,360 And so when you when you look at that, it kind of goes, 145 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,159 yeah, this is a real feeling in a lot of people. Purely 146 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,399 statistically, there will be people listening who if you're going to make a divide 147 00:09:56,399 --> 00:10:01,720 of one group or the other, might fall on CJ's side. And I'm 148 00:10:01,759 --> 00:10:05,039 not defending that view, per say, but what I'm saying is, regardless 149 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:09,600 of what you think on the subject, the way CJ spoke about it and 150 00:10:09,639 --> 00:10:13,960 whatever you think of his position, even if you're given the most charitable approach 151 00:10:15,039 --> 00:10:18,840 possible, what he said is very revealing of the kind of person he is. 152 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,879 It's the way he came out and let you say, the threat of 153 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:28,200 violence and the subject, there's no way you can look at this as you 154 00:10:28,279 --> 00:10:33,480 say and even have the most charitable perception of it. Yeah. Like again, 155 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,039 in terms of if you're saying that you know people who again, I 156 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:41,240 would be very careful about using the words yours, like you know the TJ's 157 00:10:41,279 --> 00:10:45,080 side or so, And because there is a there may be a side of 158 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,679 people who you know. Again, there's a whole fucking chorus of opinions flying 159 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,360 either way around this moment. And again I'm gonna be pretty fucking open about 160 00:10:52,399 --> 00:10:56,639 this. We as a podcast, you know, we are on the side 161 00:10:56,759 --> 00:11:01,679 of trans people and you know, non binary people and queer people. Have 162 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,240 a non binary queer person on it. Let's be exactly know for sure. 163 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,840 But I mean just you know, even even when I wasn't on the podcast, 164 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,399 podcast was one that I'm not going to both sides this. I'm like, 165 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,879 again, someone like Alice Cooper right now, who is let's say the 166 00:11:16,919 --> 00:11:20,840 example this week of someone who is you know, talking about gender concerns and 167 00:11:20,879 --> 00:11:24,679 whatnot, and he's not doing it in a violent calling for you know, 168 00:11:24,799 --> 00:11:28,200 people to be killed way. I still think he's wrong, and I'm going 169 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,759 to say he's right. No. I The reason I kind of fat that 170 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,399 is because I just I have to pick and choose them about on us, 171 00:11:35,399 --> 00:11:37,559 because it's it's relentless on like no, no again, no, I'm gonna 172 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,240 shaw. What's gonna say to come back to the you know, c J 173 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:46,480 side. Thing is, even if you are someone who falls on let's say 174 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:54,879 the side of having concerns about trans children, the trans fad, as h 175 00:11:54,799 --> 00:12:01,240 Alice Cooper called it of you know, people people to some kind of bandwagon, 176 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,240 if that's how you see it. As again, I believe you are 177 00:12:03,279 --> 00:12:07,799 wrong, and I think we as a podcast can quite clearly say you know 178 00:12:07,279 --> 00:12:13,639 no and hold it up. But if you to say CJ's side, like 179 00:12:13,639 --> 00:12:18,559 one of those sides is calling for active violence in this case, and again 180 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,519 like I know that other people, like you know, Andy the guitarist is 181 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,759 more like of like the kind of the creative head behind the band, and 182 00:12:22,919 --> 00:12:26,559 you know writes most of the lyrics, which really puts the impetus on them 183 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,200 to kind of sort this mess out. But like, imagine being the mouthpiece 184 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,759 on a record about the dangers of religious extremism and then turning around and saying 185 00:12:35,039 --> 00:12:37,519 that women who don't fit into your dogma and your view of the world should 186 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:43,799 be killed. Like imagine the stupidity, the reactionary jelly brain. You have 187 00:12:43,919 --> 00:12:48,879 to have to lack that self awareness. Like we don't like the control the 188 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,000 Islamic fundamentalism places over women and children and the violence people carry out for that 189 00:12:52,039 --> 00:12:54,960 cause. By the way, don't you think that parents of trans children should 190 00:12:54,960 --> 00:13:00,240 be burned to death? All right? That's that's that's really the word with 191 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,320 that, like, yeah, I mean it really makes you question that the 192 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,320 motors of the person singing those words, doesn't it, which I guess told 193 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,279 into what you were trying to get out there, Eliot, But I mean, 194 00:13:07,879 --> 00:13:11,879 so I get like, that's what CJ said. Unequivocally, it's reprehensible. 195 00:13:13,519 --> 00:13:16,200 It's fucking awful. It's not even just you know, oh, as 196 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:20,159 you say, like a mild bit of transphobia from someone who is using words 197 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,559 incorrectly or you know, a pronoun situation or any of these type of things 198 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,320 that you know, most of the things that people who are on the side 199 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,360 of people like CJ get very caught up in thinking that, you know, 200 00:13:31,399 --> 00:13:35,120 they're being attacked for, you know, getting things wrong or whatever. It's 201 00:13:35,159 --> 00:13:41,679 not that. It's a guy just openly displaying the most violent kind of bigoted 202 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:48,759 hatred that you can imagine, and unequivocally that has to be fucking called out, 203 00:13:48,759 --> 00:13:52,720 which brings us to via as murders response, which was again a day 204 00:13:52,799 --> 00:13:54,879 later or so, posting up a trans flag and saying, hey, you 205 00:13:54,879 --> 00:14:00,720 know, we're with you. And again I look at that and I'm sure 206 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,240 many many of you and know you Sam as well, like yeah, I 207 00:14:03,639 --> 00:14:05,759 was straight in there back now like I'm not to you know, just get 208 00:14:05,799 --> 00:14:07,559 to the bands, but I don't. I'm not going to say I don't 209 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,120 I believe that the band don't stand with the rest of the band are No, 210 00:14:11,639 --> 00:14:15,000 it's more that you have to do more than that. Yeah, this, 211 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,759 this is this is one of those situations where you can't just i mean 212 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:24,120 wave this one off. Firstly, there's not even been an apology, Like 213 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:30,080 there's not even been an acknowledgement of how bad what was said that what he 214 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,080 just said is that that's like the straight of my first thing. Like like 215 00:14:33,639 --> 00:14:37,559 again, I'm not going to speak on the rest of the band's opinions. 216 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,759 I don't know the rest of the band's opinions. I've seen a few people 217 00:14:39,759 --> 00:14:41,240 who know them have kind of said, no, these guys know their heads 218 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,840 screwed on straight, and I'm like willing to believe that, and I'm willing 219 00:14:43,879 --> 00:14:46,679 to belie that they want to, you know, put out there and say 220 00:14:46,759 --> 00:14:50,799 like look with this isn't us, We we support you, cool, find 221 00:14:50,919 --> 00:14:56,399 great this Still that's still not enough in this situation, simply because of the 222 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:01,320 level of extremity that has that was in the initial post. Yeah, I 223 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,399 mean, the most it will have done is there will be people in the 224 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:09,039 via As Murder fan base who saw CJ's post and agreed with it and felt 225 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:13,600 vindicated, Like, yes, he's one of us who now will be livid 226 00:15:13,799 --> 00:15:16,200 because of what the rest of the band have posted, and it was divided 227 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:20,559 those people. But like I said, I am sure there are people in 228 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,639 that band who really do find what CJ said are boring. But you are 229 00:15:24,679 --> 00:15:28,000 going to need to do a lot more than that if via As Murder as 230 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,759 an entity are going to be let off the hook because of the extreme level 231 00:15:31,759 --> 00:15:35,480 of hatred and CJ's post. Right, it's not just you know, valid 232 00:15:35,519 --> 00:15:37,200 concerns as they like to call them over there, but you know, an 233 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,559 outright call for violence. I'm sorry, that's that's not something you own. 234 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:46,320 Un program After a few stern days of being talked to, right like and 235 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,120 some some reflection on how you could have phrased your language better, like, 236 00:15:48,159 --> 00:15:52,879 particularly considering CJ's response was to just go, Actually, I'm going to open 237 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:54,960 up an only fans account where people can get the real, unfiltered me without 238 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,480 any of this censorship. But like, even if he was to come back, 239 00:15:58,679 --> 00:16:02,240 you know, shortly after we have this conversation here and this podcast goes 240 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:06,480 out and go sorry everyone, you need to fuck off for a while to 241 00:16:06,519 --> 00:16:11,080 be like at all believable in detangling yourself from that level of extreme conviction, 242 00:16:11,159 --> 00:16:15,200 the hateful thing that you said, like you don't go this group of people 243 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,960 should be killed and then go actually, yeah, that's maybe a bit much 244 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:23,600 like a week later, like this needs serious work to be put in to 245 00:16:23,639 --> 00:16:27,200 come back from. And by that we mean both CJ and the band, 246 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:32,480 because again, right now, I doubt that CJ is feeling too remorsal. 247 00:16:32,519 --> 00:16:34,159 He's just run off and hid in a more bigoted corner of the internet. 248 00:16:34,279 --> 00:16:38,159 You don't unprogram that opinion after a couple of days. But if the band 249 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:42,720 are too seriously convey to you know, their their LGBTQ fan base that they 250 00:16:42,759 --> 00:16:47,759 do not stand with what CJ said and they really do support those members of 251 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,039 society, then they can't just post up a trans flag and then come back 252 00:16:52,039 --> 00:16:56,519 with CJ like everything's normal. You need clear action that indicates you do not 253 00:16:56,639 --> 00:17:00,120 actually tolerate the position that CJ put out there, and that means I the 254 00:17:00,759 --> 00:17:06,880 seriously showing that CJ can convincingly come back from that or realistically the less naive 255 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,920 option getting a less bigoted singer. Yeah, I mean, like the woman 256 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,279 the money is like it was when the Ghost Inside had their sort of thing 257 00:17:14,279 --> 00:17:18,160 and they had and Jim left the band for a period of time to actually, 258 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:19,279 you know, do things. And again that was you know, a 259 00:17:19,319 --> 00:17:22,160 comment that was made. That's one worst that was just you know, a 260 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,839 like a horrible, stupid thing to say, but was made in the past. 261 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,039 And so they shoure that the ships has been taken. There's been none 262 00:17:29,039 --> 00:17:30,960 of that. There's been no kind of comment on like what CJ's going to 263 00:17:32,079 --> 00:17:34,920 do to sort of showing him remorse. Is he like is he going to 264 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:40,240 go and kind of involve himself and like Niminton trying to learn and there there's 265 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:41,440 been none of that. There's been no apology. There's been no kind of 266 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:47,759 like i'd say, steps to explact, to to kind of show see here 267 00:17:47,759 --> 00:17:49,519 why he's wrong. And so what it just feels like is it's quick, 268 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,720 get the damage control out there, put the kind of like, hey, 269 00:17:52,759 --> 00:17:57,359 we support trans people. Hope it blows over by the time the album's out. 270 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,960 That that's honestly what it feels back at the moment. It's just like 271 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:07,319 kind of like quickly patch over something. It's that that meme of like the 272 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,079 water tank bursting and the guy slapping like the you know, it feels like 273 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,799 slap the sap the trans flag over it for the moment. Yeah, I 274 00:18:14,799 --> 00:18:18,160 think it's worth pointing out that we are like basically a couple of days into 275 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,119 this, like in terms of you know, CJ taking a social media down 276 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,279 and everything, and then again the band posting that trans flag I believe was 277 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,640 yesterday as we are currently recording this. So I imagine that the other members 278 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:32,680 of the as Murder are like deep in crisis mode right now, like figuring 279 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:37,480 out what to do. And again, we should give them at least the 280 00:18:37,559 --> 00:18:41,559 room too in the coming days come out and you know, give them the 281 00:18:41,559 --> 00:18:45,400 opportunity to do the right thing. But it just needs to be hamming home 282 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,440 that they do have to do that, and you know what they've currently done, 283 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,279 which is again it's a little like almost like a placeholder message until we 284 00:18:52,319 --> 00:18:56,480 come back with a larger the bare minimum like like yeah, like again you 285 00:18:56,559 --> 00:19:00,359 really know what you kind of have to do, because as soon as you 286 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:06,400 are doing what is essentially calling for violence against a minority. You can get 287 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,720 out and we are not going to accept that here. Yeah, they will 288 00:19:08,759 --> 00:19:11,759 be deep in, like I said, crisis mode right now. And you 289 00:19:11,759 --> 00:19:15,160 know, I sympathize with anyone who you know, again, like your your 290 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,960 livelihood is invested in a certain thing and one person maybe you don't share the 291 00:19:18,039 --> 00:19:22,400 views of you know, kind of you know, damages the integrity of that 292 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:26,400 for everybody. But ultimately the message that you've put out there is the most 293 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,359 important thing. So I mean, I'm sure they're not the only band who 294 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,519 not every member politically lines up. I'm sure there are loads of bands have 295 00:19:34,559 --> 00:19:38,519 that similar thing. But the problem is when your your vocalist, your your 296 00:19:38,559 --> 00:19:42,480 mouthpiece in a lot of ways, has put that out there and he's then 297 00:19:42,559 --> 00:19:47,839 not even kind of bother to apologize when it has been caught out from it. 298 00:19:47,839 --> 00:19:51,160 It kind of just shows the kind of like and again I don't want 299 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:52,880 to comment on the rest of the guy's opinions, and it like this is 300 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,319 no the build up to their biggest album in a lot of ways, so 301 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,160 it's probably has thrown that whole Like they're they're there, they're probably having to 302 00:19:59,319 --> 00:20:03,279 manage with that, but there is still more that could have been done in 303 00:20:03,279 --> 00:20:07,920 that initial response for me, and it was a bit decided to see some 304 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:08,880 people kind of like but like yep, cool, that's fine, They're all 305 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,880 good. I'm like, no, that we can't just you know and like 306 00:20:12,039 --> 00:20:18,400 take that such like basic response is like problem solved when there's there's so much 307 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:19,960 work they said, there is so much work that needs to be done. 308 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:25,200 If that is the views of c J. Yeah, again basically like bare 309 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:29,880 minimum, you know, I I you know, we we extend the kind 310 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,640 of the window let's say right now of like how the rest of the band 311 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:40,839 respond to this, But until that you know, satisfactory response occurs, then 312 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:42,839 you know, it won't be any more. Via as murder over here, 313 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:49,279 what is happening over there by there, I mean Europe is that Architects are 314 00:20:49,279 --> 00:20:53,599 going to be doing a European run next year with spirit Box and Loathe in 315 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,440 support, which is like, you know, the kind of twenty twenty four 316 00:20:56,599 --> 00:21:02,039 metal Core perfect kind of assembly, isn't it. Notably, that is a 317 00:21:02,079 --> 00:21:06,480 European date, not a UK date, because Architects headlining slot of Bloodstock is 318 00:21:06,559 --> 00:21:10,279 slated as they're they're kind of UK exclusive for next year, but you know, 319 00:21:10,599 --> 00:21:12,839 Europeans over there have a lovely time at you know, the metal core 320 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:17,960 tour of next year, I do imagine over there, and then we've got 321 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,960 a lot of new music to talk about. Cspased Cowboy first up with a 322 00:21:22,039 --> 00:21:25,799 standalone single which is called Chewing the Scenery. This is the first time they've 323 00:21:25,839 --> 00:21:30,400 released since They're twenty twenty one album, which was rather well liked over here, 324 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,839 and I put this on and again it's stand low single right now. 325 00:21:33,319 --> 00:21:36,240 I don't know if there will be an album anything on the way, but 326 00:21:37,839 --> 00:21:45,440 I thought, wow, the really like Naughties post hardcore melodic vocal is really 327 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,440 being pushed to the four these days, Like this feels quite a lot cleaner 328 00:21:48,599 --> 00:21:52,240 than even like the last album I can remember, being yeah, absolutely mean, 329 00:21:52,759 --> 00:21:56,680 there's definitely an album coming, because Connie has done quite a few interviews 330 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,559 talking about the influences of where they're drawing from important She's cited stuff like block 331 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:06,480 Party and Panic at the Disco alongside the more kind of like Naughty's emo post 332 00:22:06,519 --> 00:22:10,319 hardcore stuff as well, so there was clearly a bigger push on the melodic 333 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,839 side of things, but they they get that right out of the way on 334 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:18,519 this when they are straight like with the most kind of like clean naughty's emo 335 00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:22,599 vocal they've done, it does eventually go into a more kind of like traditional 336 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:27,640 C space cowboy metalcopping, but they have shown a definite approach to kind of 337 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:32,559 like broadening the sound tire. Yeah, I mean it's produced by Matt Squire 338 00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:36,039 who's produced Panic at the Disco and taking about Sunday and stuff. It's again 339 00:22:36,079 --> 00:22:37,119 when you do that thing with the melodic vocal, when it gets so clean, 340 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,079 it's it gets a little you know for a probably for you as well, 341 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,039 Earliot, a little bit too under oath for me. And like the 342 00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:47,839 you know, the the assault that you get of like the time change and 343 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,119 the more abrasive end of the riffing and that is used to color it well, 344 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,559 and that's that's what I've always liked there. It's a bit glossy for 345 00:22:52,599 --> 00:22:56,319 me. This like I can only take so much like emo pop in this 346 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:00,160 lane. See I'm welling on that. Like and when you come by that 347 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:04,440 with the more again abrasive like when they go on the harder stuff and you 348 00:23:04,519 --> 00:23:08,000 get that switch, that to me is like hell yeah, they are doing 349 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,880 all the things I like and mixing. It's given nicely, so I think 350 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:17,519 it never never goes too far into that nor ease. Yeah, Like I 351 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:22,119 wonder if they're going in kind of a direction that like where just their tastes 352 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,319 are different to mine, and so the things they are increasingly drawing on. 353 00:23:25,599 --> 00:23:30,559 I'm like, no, possibly, I flip I've always flip flopped quite a 354 00:23:30,599 --> 00:23:36,079 long seu Space Cowboy, where even the more middling stuff, if you want 355 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,079 to say, less extreme in each direction, I can go from going ah, 356 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,680 fuck, yeah this rocks to you can stop that right now second to 357 00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:47,480 second basis, and in principle I kind of love that, but like you 358 00:23:47,559 --> 00:23:51,319 say, the clean end of stuff on this song, it's just that sort 359 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:56,079 of fringe too far, Yeah, where I go from. I quite like 360 00:23:56,599 --> 00:23:59,240 the idea, even if it's not jelling with me just yet. But it's 361 00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:02,759 just the sound of it kind of it sort of shuts off my receptors in 362 00:24:02,799 --> 00:24:04,000 a way. Maybe it might be something that I've warned too in the context 363 00:24:04,079 --> 00:24:07,559 of an album. I would love to love see you, Space Cowboy, 364 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,640 but this is the song that's done it just yet. Yeah, I will 365 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,519 see it again if there's a larger body work at any point that maybe follows 366 00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:17,519 in this direction. We'll see if it, you know, if it works 367 00:24:17,559 --> 00:24:22,160 for me and you who hears something that is that Saccarino and go elsewhere. 368 00:24:22,279 --> 00:24:25,799 We just have got a whole bunch of our announcement that we'll quickly rattle through. 369 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,960 Firstly, well, I guess the biggest one is that Within Temptation are 370 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:32,920 coming back, whether album bleed Out that's coming out on the twentieth of October, 371 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,680 with intentation of kind of gotten a weird direction for like a European they 372 00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:41,640 become a really boring kind of gent band on their work for like a European 373 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:47,119 sefony metal band. The last album from twenty nineteen they went in this kind 374 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:52,319 of like I mean, even like before that, like Hydra, which was 375 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,559 more of a sort of I guess what you would imagine to be a standard 376 00:24:55,559 --> 00:24:57,839 Within Temptation album. It should be said, I forgot to mention when we 377 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:03,359 did our as of author I was gonna say how it was the first time 378 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:04,799 in the history of this podcast that we've made it through an eight dead of 379 00:25:04,839 --> 00:25:11,720 Awful without anyone picking for x exhibit featuring on a Within Temptation song. It's 380 00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:14,440 so such a thing of the past, but it felt so out of date 381 00:25:14,519 --> 00:25:15,880 to include. Yeah, I was aware. I think that is when Within 382 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,960 Temptation, I guess, you know, started to do some quite strange things 383 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,160 for them, and then the follow up album, the lead single from it 384 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:26,920 was like this big, like electro metal thing with Jacoby Shaddocks. I remember 385 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,119 that and I just think that's a banger. That song of the Reckoning, 386 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:36,359 that's such a huge banger. This one it's it's okay, but it's basically 387 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,119 like a spirit box riff, isn't it. And it's like the template of 388 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:44,279 what Limpentation was has changed so much more dramatically than you would imagine any of 389 00:25:44,319 --> 00:25:45,480 their you know, the kind of bands who you'd think of being in their 390 00:25:45,519 --> 00:25:49,920 lane having done just all the sort of symphonic drama that I quite like about 391 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:56,279 Within Temptations kind of been stripped out and it's just a very standard ready like 392 00:25:56,279 --> 00:26:00,559 Shan's vocals are still great, but that was the only thing that actually stood 393 00:26:00,599 --> 00:26:03,279 out to me beyond them again, the very cookie cutter gent riff and all 394 00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:06,359 that. Yeah, if there's if there's one thing that I need to make 395 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:11,119 me like a symphonic metal band, it is certainly not twenty twenties gent metalcore 396 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,440 riffs like that. Yeah, that is not the agreement I want added to 397 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,880 the formula to warm me to it. So as I don't know I ever 398 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,920 listened to it full within Temptation record because even the people I know who are 399 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,559 pretty into symphonic metal don't talk about them all that much. Club now we've 400 00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:27,440 got to deal with intmation album. Club. Yeah, good album. Well 401 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,680 that's the thing is, like you know, I've actually thought about it is 402 00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:33,880 the unforgiving as Yeah, that's beyond the list for a while, because that's 403 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,200 them going in the kind of pop direction and smashing it. My favorites are 404 00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:41,559 you know as well as that, like Mother Earth and stuff and straight from 405 00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:44,839 Back of the Day are like they get in the traditional very Europeans fuhni metal 406 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,359 lane fucking great records. But again it is it's very it's startling, how 407 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,200 you know your symphonic metal band have kind of stripped out most of the symphonic 408 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,000 metal and like you know, turned into something quite quite different. Indeed, 409 00:26:56,279 --> 00:27:02,519 Yeah, again, I did enjoy patches of the last record, so I'd 410 00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:03,599 be curious to see what more happens with it. But yeah, as they've 411 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,640 become, you know, a bigger band, it's a strange little trajectory they've 412 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:14,799 gone on. Kristin Hayter has also announced her first album post hanging up the 413 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,160 Lingering Notta name, that's going to be coming out on October the twentieth. 414 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,559 It's actually under the name Reverend Kristin Michael Hayter, which I don't know if 415 00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:26,240 that's going to be the moniker for I don't know her entire career going forward. 416 00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:29,079 It seems quite you know, timely with this album because it has a 417 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,359 whole you know that the album coverything kind of presents it as like some kind 418 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,319 of religious pamphlet. The record is called Saved with an exclamation mark, all 419 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:41,160 in capital letters, and this is you know, we've been talking about what 420 00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:47,559 Kristin Hayter might do post Lingering Notta, and I think this is something where 421 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,599 you it is quite like you listen to it and go, oh wow, 422 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,559 you know, that's quite a choice that you've made. But also, if 423 00:27:53,559 --> 00:27:57,400 you like Lingery Notta, I don't think it's a case of you know, 424 00:27:57,559 --> 00:28:02,000 she's not going from fucking let Live into Fever three three issue like it's if 425 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,480 you like l Green Otor, the same atmosphere of like, oh my god, 426 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:10,039 that's heavy. That like really came through on this, Like I got 427 00:28:10,039 --> 00:28:11,920 that, but I was like it wasn't like like I don't see she's having 428 00:28:12,039 --> 00:28:17,559 more fun with this, but it feels less really fraught and intense and kind 429 00:28:17,559 --> 00:28:21,519 of a bit more knowing. I think you've got fun with Jesus says, 430 00:28:21,599 --> 00:28:22,920 get some better friends, because these ones are going to hell. Yeah, 431 00:28:23,799 --> 00:28:27,680 there's kind of like tormented dark humor in the lyrics I find, is what 432 00:28:27,759 --> 00:28:32,279 I'm again. It's kind of a darkly humorous kind of slant some of the 433 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,200 lyrics, and and again the whole kind of like dressed and going so hard 434 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,519 on the religions stuff and the reverend in the name of that it feels like 435 00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:45,200 she's kind of playing up everything and and it is less just like really really 436 00:28:45,319 --> 00:28:49,400 intense and for and uncomfortable. Well, I think she is actually a preacher 437 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,119 out. I don't know if I've gotten that wrong, but I think I 438 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,799 read that somewhere and this kind of has that flavor to it, like it 439 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,720 kind of reminds me of this little spoken word performance sort of things like throbbing 440 00:28:57,759 --> 00:29:03,279 gristle and Crassi on the name Reverend Christian Hater. It's unfortunate because Christen Hater 441 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,720 is obviously her name, but as a moniker, it is a bit w 442 00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:12,000 W E like, so that's going to take a little bit of getting used 443 00:29:12,039 --> 00:29:17,799 to. Should come out her stage with it was that guy with the Undertaker. 444 00:29:17,839 --> 00:29:19,359 I'd like the urn Paul Bear. Yeah, it should have Paul Bearer 445 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:25,519 come out with a lingering note shows or Christian Hater shows going forward. Yeah, 446 00:29:25,599 --> 00:29:29,759 well we should have all dishes with the new Paul Bearer for Reverend Christian 447 00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:33,680 Michael Hater. Yeah. This record again, this song that's come out All 448 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,839 my Friends Are Going to Hell is it's like the purest stripped back form of 449 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,200 what you imagine, you know, Christen's work in the past to be like 450 00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:45,400 it's I was reading this record, it looks like most of it was recorded 451 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:51,559 on a four track. Like it's an extremely stripped back, low fly sounding 452 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,720 record. Again, it says that there's kind of being stuff based around, 453 00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:59,480 you know, heavily piano based, mostly with vocals and then a few you 454 00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:00,960 know, kind of maybe church bells and things like that kind of evolved with 455 00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:04,759 it. But this is like purely you know, the fucking like death hymn 456 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:11,319 side of what Kristin has does I was struck by. I mean, also 457 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,759 the vocal melody on this song does make me think of war pigs an awful 458 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:21,759 lot then, but you know it's again it's Reavy reckoning with you know, 459 00:30:22,119 --> 00:30:23,480 religion and kind of the specter of you know, hell and everything, like 460 00:30:23,519 --> 00:30:27,960 she's done before, but again maybe moving away from the the outright pain and 461 00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:32,039 torment of the Lingering Note in name. I was struck by the fact that 462 00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:34,519 this record is coming on October the twentieth, which is about a week to 463 00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:38,920 the day after those final shows, the final Lingering Note shows in London, 464 00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:41,039 so it seems like she's really tied in this to be like, Okay, 465 00:30:41,079 --> 00:30:44,960 I'm literally going to perform Lingery Notes music for the last time and hang it 466 00:30:45,079 --> 00:30:49,119 up and then literally next week, you know, the Reverend Christin Michael Hayter 467 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,960 kind of era is going to be unveiled. So that is going to be 468 00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:56,759 fascinating to see, you know, where where that goes and where that unfolds. 469 00:30:56,759 --> 00:31:00,640 I do you know again, I love the extreme levels of kind of 470 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,079 sound play and layering and stuff that's happened on like the last couple of lingery 471 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,960 Note records, so I hope that doesn't go away entirely. But this record 472 00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:14,240 seems like it's gonna be really based around just the raw starkness of that, 473 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,000 that kind of side of what lingery Note and Christ and Hayton now going forward 474 00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:22,400 has done. Also, Mirca has an ounced new album which is out on 475 00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:26,640 the twentieth of October, which his little insight here into why we don't do 476 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,799 weekly review shows anymore, because god knows what else was already announced for that 477 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:36,039 day. It's a fucking nightmare these days. But mirca new record, Spine 478 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:41,519 coming out. It's gonna be her first like metallic influenced records in twenty seventeen. 479 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,799 Actually the focus und record I really enjoyed, actually, and I've revisited 480 00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:48,960 pretty frequently over the last couple of years. But this is again going back 481 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,640 to kind of more of a metal sound, but it's less like blackened and 482 00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:56,839 extreme as you know old Mirka was. It's really like a kind of like 483 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:02,480 a almost like far off muffle kind of ethereal doom pop song in a way. 484 00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:07,319 Yeah, I mean I've never been completely taken with me, but that 485 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:12,920 last one which I was calling Folka Sanga until about ten seconds. I don't 486 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,839 know, like this feels a bit like that was my favorite thing she's done, 487 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,839 and this feels like kind of a middle ground in the sense that it's 488 00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:22,000 still got that ethereal folk quality, maybe more in the vein of something like 489 00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:29,200 Grouper than the Wickerman soundtrack, but it's got that droning, foggy fuzz of 490 00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:31,160 the previous black gay styling. So I thought this was cool. I think 491 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,559 I'll need to a full record to make any real judgments, but I like 492 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,519 how it's starting, and I like the idea at the very least. Yeah, 493 00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:40,079 And if you don't want to wait that long for some kind of you 494 00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:45,960 know, ethereal black metal adjacent music, Wild in the Throne Room have an 495 00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:49,720 ounced that they've gone EP coming out called The Crypto Ancestral Knowledge, and that's 496 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,960 going to be out on September the twenty ninth. I believe they've said that 497 00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:55,559 this is a record that's kind of sort of wrapping up the era of the 498 00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:00,599 latest record, Primordial Arcana. So if you liked that, I'm sure there's 499 00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:04,200 gonna some brilliant stuff here to go with as well. And also Elliott A 500 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,200 couple weeks ago. Last time you're on the show, you were asking about 501 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,960 when Primordial We're going to come back. The answer is very very soon, 502 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,759 indeed, because they have announced their new record, How It Ends, is 503 00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:15,640 going to be out and also September the twenty ninth. Yeah, this is 504 00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:20,240 just so good, Like It's Primordial is one of those things where I think 505 00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:22,680 one of the reasons I missed them so much between records, it's because there 506 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:27,359 isn't really a fair substitute now for them, Like there isn't. I had 507 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,279 Triumph and Power by Grand Magas on the other day, and like just to 508 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,279 try and scratch that kind of itch, but it's not even nearly as emotionally 509 00:33:34,359 --> 00:33:37,400 devastating or furious. It just gets that is one of the rest of theus 510 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:42,720 gets sort of the same charge over the cliff feeling so but no one does 511 00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:45,599 it as good as Primordial, and this is them doing it to a super 512 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,279 high standard. Again, like this is a weird thing where people go like 513 00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:51,839 they say that Alan isn't one of the best vocalists in metal, And I 514 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,480 don't know where people get the nerve to talk like that, because it's exactly 515 00:33:55,519 --> 00:33:59,440 the same people as there are some people out there who go China Marino. 516 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,000 I can't stand him, like it's it's a distinctive thing, but he is 517 00:34:02,079 --> 00:34:06,599 the best in the world at what he does. Like it's just yeah, 518 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,079 I mean there's absolutely no one liked them, so yeah, I'll be there's 519 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,239 worth for sure. I quite like this Primordial song. Never listened to them 520 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,800 before, but I thought this one was pretty cool. Well you know more 521 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,360 where that came from, I'm sure at some point. And also Max cavalleras 522 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,400 Go Ahead and Die have got a second record coming up with review the first 523 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:23,159 one a couple years ago, and that's out, believe it or not, 524 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,599 on the twentieth of October, So there you go. I should say that 525 00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,840 pre Bloodstock, we were talking about kind of how appreciative we were of, 526 00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:34,639 you know, the new folks who would come over and signed up at the 527 00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:37,920 Patreon as we were doing all of our eights that of Awful Action. There 528 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,719 were some more of that as well, you know, since me coming back 529 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,400 so and we haven't done a usual weekly show since then. So once again, 530 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,719 thank you to everybody who has joined us there. The eight set of 531 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,880 Awful was a hoot. I am sure there are things and conversation points in 532 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,679 there that are going to stay with us and inform how we think of many 533 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:59,159 topics on this show when they arrive for a while to come next up for 534 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,719 their is as we like to follow up the review show with the album club 535 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,599 Pack, and so this is going to be something This episode does get better 536 00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:10,199 the further into it we get. I promised, but Sam had an idea 537 00:35:10,679 --> 00:35:15,840 based off of a moment that happens in the Barbie movie, to do Matchbox 538 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,840 twenties yourself or someone like you. I have never listened to Matchbox twenty I 539 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,840 don't entirely understand what I'm letting myself in for, but I'm going to find 540 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,360 out. And then that makes a hell of a top pairing with what was 541 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,639 already slotted in that slot from a while ago, A Tiller's recently labeled in 542 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:37,440 some areas as seminal album about that life. As we try and work out 543 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:44,679 how that happened, then we're going to bring it back with Twitching Tongues being 544 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,760 firmly back in action again this year. There are also a decade old came 545 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,199 up very close to her about that life in love there is no law they've 546 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,039 just put reducts of that with a bunch of bonus tracks, and they're clearly 547 00:35:54,119 --> 00:35:58,280 going back and rereleasing. They they did sleep Therapy. Okay, I didn't 548 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,280 even see you last week. They they did it with some bonus tracks and 549 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:05,679 stuff. So that time from us, then yes, and then we finally 550 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:13,320 close on the cult psychological horror masterpiece of the Louisiana sludge scene acid Baths where 551 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,679 the kite string pops myself and Sam as you mentioned earlier, we also did 552 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,360 you know for those patrons up on the highest tier one a little bit extra 553 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,199 from us, A T and M does horror episode, which is our horror 554 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:29,079 podcast series on the Meg and the Meg to the Trench, which are ridiculous 555 00:36:29,159 --> 00:36:32,000 nonsense experiences which we like to go in all in on. I mean, 556 00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:36,760 they are stupid movies that I had loads of fun talking about and I would 557 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,880 defend the Meg movies fuck the haters. But no, it was it was. 558 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,800 It was nice to when they see behinds that again that it's just no 559 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,559 real fort needs to go into it. It's just like big Sharks Jack before 560 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,760 at Jathan Stepham, like swimming around at the bottom of the sea without a 561 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,159 suit, on just being like, well, I'll be fine, and then 562 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:58,199 as we head into September past all that we arguing be starting our next band 563 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,400 special next month, which as determined by a Patreon vote earlier in the year, 564 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,880 is going to be Alison Chains. So if you joined up this month 565 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,360 at the EIGHTSED, we are going to keep you welfared going forward. We 566 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:12,639 promise you can find all of that at patreon dot com slash. That's nonmat 567 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,000 all. Let's get into this month's album reviews. Last month we did more 568 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,559 of like a highlights reel of stuff kind of largely from the underground that you 569 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,960 did throughout, kind of at the top end, some more extreme stuff like 570 00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:25,159 the Black Braid album. This time we are going to be starting with a 571 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,960 handful of some of the most beloved bands in the TNA world actually in the 572 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,880 realms of alternative rock. We have got The Excerpt and Teenage Wrist coming up. 573 00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:37,840 But first we had a new album from Spanish Love Songs. It's called 574 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:43,159 No Joy, which is the follow up to twenty twenties Brave Faces Everyone, 575 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,960 which feels much longer ago than it is really because that was one of those 576 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:51,800 albums that came out like just weeks predawn of the PANDETI basically like taking an 577 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:57,199 album about the world falling apart and being miserable happening as like just before the 578 00:37:57,199 --> 00:37:59,840 world falls apart and everyone is miserable. Yeah, I think you know, 579 00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:01,320 because of that, for an awful lot of people listening here, that will 580 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,840 be like their COVID album, right, like that will be the album that 581 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,920 they they associate with that year and that helped get them through it. Brave 582 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,679 Faces and Out Everyone is an album that you immediately on its launch, but 583 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,960 then even more so those months when on as you're saying, see it itself 584 00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:19,880 into you know, the hearts and minds of a lot of listeners. Schmaltz 585 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,360 had already landed as like a bit of a classic, but Brave Face as 586 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,840 Everyone seemed to take that even further fare. Yeah, I think like the 587 00:38:28,199 --> 00:38:30,199 leap up when when the song's first started coming out like kicking all that, 588 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:36,559 you could sortous see a bigger swell support and so that that just kind of 589 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,559 went further and further as the ambu come out and people really again because Schmaltz 590 00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:44,239 is like a granbum, but it was like the real intense emotional connection people 591 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,000 made it was it was on Brave Faces Everyone and Spanish Obsons were band to 592 00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:51,840 thrive on on that emotion and connecting with Dylan's lyrics and all that. So 593 00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:54,840 when you have an album like Brave Faces Everyone, which is so raw in 594 00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:59,159 kind of putting out there like it's feelings and like I think you know, 595 00:38:59,159 --> 00:39:01,079 when the ambergan with one given damn the six to ten, that was a 596 00:39:01,159 --> 00:39:04,639 merely kind of for the fans, like that was the lyric they kind of 597 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,719 needed to hear almost of the kind of like struggling things and relating to Stylan. 598 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:13,039 So it was so just like myself was just like, right, let's 599 00:39:13,039 --> 00:39:15,400 go out. I'm connected with this album immediately, and that bond is only 600 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,159 going to grow. Yeah, I guess, you know, is that the 601 00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:22,480 main thing in that album, that pair of albums. I guess because Smart's 602 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,480 really hit at the time as well, that I guess it's made them again. 603 00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:28,360 This is lead review this month for us, and it's because they have 604 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,559 seemed to have become such a special band for people who are into this kind 605 00:39:31,559 --> 00:39:36,079 of realm of like heart on sleeve my rock music. Yeah, like outside 606 00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:38,440 of like the already well established big band, your men singers, you guess 607 00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:42,760 anthems, those sort of ones wander years like wonder Yars. Yeah, Spanish 608 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,480 SOB songs have been the kind of like I suppose as them and Hot Milligan 609 00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:49,239 the kind of the two new ones who've really kind of but I kind of 610 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,440 almost let in tw different directions. But Hot Milagan have kind of gone with 611 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,199 the more pop punk crowd and they kind of real kind of I guess, 612 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:59,079 like emo like heart on sleeve kind of thing. I've really gravitated towards Spanish 613 00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:01,760 love songs, but they become the one and again you're going by the crowd 614 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:06,719 they put a slam on this year. It has really all come together for 615 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,519 them, So yeah, like they are the I mean, well, I 616 00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:13,079 think that the fact they've just been so brilliant across these two arms is why 617 00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:15,480 they've been the bands that everyone has latched onto. Yeah, and then just 618 00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:17,639 to put a cap on that polite particular idea to kind of you know, 619 00:40:17,679 --> 00:40:21,800 set the toe go in this review, are we talking about like one of 620 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,480 your favorite bands of the current moment. Absolutely, Yeah, Like I'm sure 621 00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:29,960 there's going to be no surprises when I sort of go off about how much 622 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,840 I love this band and again how much I love this album, but they 623 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:36,800 are of the newer bands to break in the last sort of five or so 624 00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:40,880 years. Not many I would say I like more than Spanish love songs at 625 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,000 this point. Yeah, and there are many many people who agree with you. 626 00:40:44,199 --> 00:40:46,760 Elliott kind of almost going to be casting the deciding swing on this. 627 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,119 I guess you are. I mean, you're big on you know, bands 628 00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:52,440 like Homersware and stuff that we reviewed last month, and you have I think 629 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,280 more of a toe in the email world than I do. Is I guess 630 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,800 does that translate over to making you a Spanish Love Songs fan as well? 631 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:04,880 Up to this point, it's all to say I quite like Schmaltz when that 632 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,039 came out, But I think it's because I thought the one Year's record that 633 00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:09,960 came out of that year was pretty below par, so I kind of wanted 634 00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:14,079 that fix from something, and I do think that record is good. They 635 00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:15,039 do it as a band. They do a lot of things I like, 636 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:22,800 but they occasionally dip into that, oh crikey, that's clawing territory, and 637 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,280 I think that's something that when they're not doing that, it is one of 638 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,760 those things where I can really get invested in their songs or in their records 639 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,480 for long sweeps of it, and then if they just slip into that zone, 640 00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:37,000 it's like the Icarus thing. They're constantly flying just at the brim of 641 00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:39,679 clawing, and if they got an inch too high, they plumb it back 642 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:45,440 to earth. So when they're in that kind of that's slither, that little 643 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,840 slim bit of the atmosphere. I do think it's great, and I wasn't 644 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,559 that excited at the prospect of a new record until Haunted came out as the 645 00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:54,840 first single, and it took me from being fairly apathetic to the idea of 646 00:41:54,880 --> 00:42:00,800 a new Spanish love songs record so genuinely, like really up for it because 647 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,840 I thought that song was excellent. I love the direction it went in, 648 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,800 and I thought their songwriting had sort of developed and they'd gone best with a 649 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:13,119 writing fully realized songs. So I don't know if I to call myself a 650 00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:15,559 fan per se, but like you said, I have got a taste for 651 00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:19,760 this style of thing, and when they scratch that, which I do think, 652 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,840 they do it to a really high standard. Okay, that's good, 653 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,039 and I hope that you have, you know, some more nice things to 654 00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:28,440 say in that regard when it comes to this record, Sam, I guess 655 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,840 you in particular, I'm going to really need you to sell. First of 656 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,880 all, what is great about this because again, the follow up to Brave 657 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,199 Faces Everyone is going to be one of those most like anticipated records for a 658 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,400 lot of people who are listening to us right now. No Joy. Again, 659 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,719 this comes out today as we're kind of putting this record episode that one 660 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,159 way. But so I mean, as of right now, we haven't seen 661 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:52,000 like the massive burst and release day gushing that normally accompanies Spanish love songs in 662 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,559 our little corner of the internet, so I can't have that in front of 663 00:42:54,559 --> 00:42:59,679 me at this precise moment. But like, do basically do you think this 664 00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:02,280 will do that in the way that the last two albums have done? Yeah, 665 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:06,840 I think so, because I think it's Brave Face everone just like kind 666 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:12,519 of really raw emotional, emo, kind of sad pop punk kind of thing 667 00:43:12,599 --> 00:43:15,159 too. I think it's its biggest kind of point could go to. And 668 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:20,199 so on No Joy. They have swerved off in a slightly different direction and 669 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:25,199 made some considerable sort of changes to their sound that I think people are really 670 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:30,639 going to go with the core thing of the sad lyrics, Dylan's kind of 671 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:35,079 really emotional delivery, the vocal wobbles, all of that sort of stuff that 672 00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:37,920 the stuff that you I know, you find like now it's on a chalkboard 673 00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:39,639 like that is all still there and that's what fans gonna are gonna love. 674 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:46,079 Like, But musically it is it's not as kind of like like Brave Face 675 00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:49,800 to seven and it sounded like he was about to cry on every other line. 676 00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:52,639 There is like like and I love that about it, like, but 677 00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:55,400 I can understand what I can undertand why that on the album might actually been 678 00:43:55,639 --> 00:43:59,000 a bit where you talk about where it goes a bit far. Really, 679 00:43:59,039 --> 00:44:00,639 I can understand what that might be that I think there's less of that on 680 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,400 this one, and it is more it is I don't see more like the 681 00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:06,519 class of it's a more mature record, but it is. It's a little 682 00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:10,440 bit more subdued for them, and I think it's a less like doomed album 683 00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:13,599 in a way because I think, you know, again Braveface everyone hit and 684 00:44:13,639 --> 00:44:16,199 it was just like, oh my god, everything that you're thinking about in 685 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:21,960 this record is just like it's so rightfully in a way if you want to 686 00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:23,960 leave it won't be this bleak forever. Yeah, Right, like that that 687 00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:30,639 gains its pessimistic and this record maybe has more kind of light involved with it. 688 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,760 It's the kind of feeling of finding peace and finding a way to move 689 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,000 forward, knowing that things are shit, but we like we don't have to 690 00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:42,840 complain relentlessly about it all the time. And I think that's really cool. 691 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,920 And I think there's sort of just the sort of the musical direction they're gone 692 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,119 on. This has been a nice surprise for me as someone who loves him. 693 00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:51,639 And Meredith, who's one of the sort of qum but she does the 694 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,079 keys in the band like she if you kind of had in the provid because 695 00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:57,599 you have to kind of really dig to find her input a little bit. 696 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,800 Here is the first time she is front and say a lot of this record, 697 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:05,239 which I think is the biggest outside of them being less kind of relentlessly 698 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,960 bleak. That's the sort of biggest musical change, isn't it. Yeah, 699 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,239 And there are a musical change on this record that you know, put them 700 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:14,840 even closer to kind of like you know, it's still Springsteen core, but 701 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,480 it's like the it's a new wave Springsteen album. Isn't it Like it's like 702 00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:22,000 the kind of the pop sensibility of that rather than just the you know, 703 00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:25,880 the kind of the heartland rock storytelling. Yeah, totally. Like on Cleanup 704 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:30,079 Crew, there's full Billy Jean backbeat going on and like, you know, 705 00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:32,239 genuine kind of pop fizz in the chorus. Yeah. I mean, for 706 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:37,360 me, this record is just just going on my taste. It's not quite 707 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,840 why I was hoping to get. Okay, I'm surprised that he said that 708 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:45,119 you really enjoy Haunted because that's kind of a that seems to me like it, 709 00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:50,840 you know it it paints the wave a lot of the record. Yeah, 710 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,199 it's just the reason I'm jumping on it now is because you mentioned Cleanup 711 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:58,480 Crew. And as much as I like the new wave elements and that kind 712 00:45:58,519 --> 00:46:00,440 of, like you say, the new wave Springsteen combination, I think is 713 00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:05,920 really cool. I think there's bits where they sort of stretch that beyond its 714 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,199 logical conclusion. When a Cleanup Crew that sort of disco gates and almost tropical 715 00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:20,719 lot of comment, it's it's kind of unpleasant. And it's so you've been 716 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,320 referring to this singer as a sheep for quite a while. Now it's a 717 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,320 running bit that I call I just grab him as a sheepman. Yes, 718 00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:30,280 yes, And I'll be honest, I never really got it until this record 719 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,079 because I always I've always got thin he was about to cry all times, 720 00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:36,760 like that sort of blubbering thing. I've gotten used to that, and I 721 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,280 know that, like you say something for a lot of people that are super 722 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:44,800 emotionally impactful and if you're happy with that sort of thing, this record delivers 723 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,920 on that for sure. And the shirt tugging I can kind of live with, 724 00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:51,760 like it's you know, it's like path of the course or the bar 725 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:58,719 for the course, if you will. But the vibrato thing that he does, 726 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,719 of like, even when it doesn't he doesn't even sound that upset and 727 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:07,039 he's going, oh what are you doing that over things that are so smooth, 728 00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:12,840 like liquid groovy, it kind of shows up that it can be a 729 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:19,320 bit silly. So it connects between his emotional deliver which you don't inherently dislike 730 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,519 the way I do you kind of you know, you like that voice, 731 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,599 but it's a disconnect between that landing on this kind of like more you know, 732 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:30,239 kind of pop influenced musical palette I again, I hadn't even considered that, 733 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,159 because again, I've got my own problems that are almost like get in 734 00:47:32,159 --> 00:47:36,280 the way of me thinking about that. I heard this and I thought the 735 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:45,000 instrumental pivot is more than I would usually enjoy what Spanish love songs do because 736 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,280 I like that kind of new way, like the again Haunted goes full on 737 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,519 that kind of you know, eighties disaster piece moment that came in. I 738 00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:53,400 was when it first was single. I was like, Oh, this is 739 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:58,719 totally different. I'm down fit and it's got that kind of Springsteen guitar chord 740 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,039 kind of patterns on there. So that was really just where it went right, 741 00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:05,960 We're gonna strap clashes two styles, and I was immediately sold on the 742 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,079 record from that. And I really really like the poppiar touches with Dylan sort 743 00:48:10,119 --> 00:48:13,639 of focused because I think, like, I understand what you mean, but 744 00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,400 I think he does tone back the most kind of excessive elements of his things 745 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,519 on the popular stuff, so it doesn't I never got the thing that they 746 00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:22,960 clashed too much, so I was like, oh, he's kind of like 747 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,079 toning it down a little bit. Then it compared to where it was. 748 00:48:25,199 --> 00:48:28,559 Yeah, again, I just thought that synthly been everything and that's a sound 749 00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:31,480 that's pleasing to my ears, you know again, like a Marvel. It's 750 00:48:31,519 --> 00:48:35,400 kind of like dancier stuff where there's a lot like flighty guitar noise, then 751 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,079 there's more kind of pep in the step and like, you know, I 752 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,480 like again, I I don't like the Killers, And to me, at 753 00:48:40,519 --> 00:48:44,320 their worst, they're like a landfill indie thing on like Mystery Brightside or whatever, 754 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:45,440 but they are of that school. They're the one that pick up on 755 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,000 that kind of heartland rock thing and they do that you know that sheen with 756 00:48:49,159 --> 00:48:52,400 it, and I think there's some of that happening here and I don't I 757 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,119 don't dislike that extra color in the instrumentation, Like the synth lines and stuff 758 00:48:55,199 --> 00:49:00,440 on this are the thing in like the Spanish Loves One that is the most 759 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:00,960 appealing to me. And I actually thought, like again, the chorus and 760 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:06,480 cleanup crew is closer to what I would usually go for than like, you 761 00:49:06,519 --> 00:49:09,119 know, the same old kind of shirt tugging every single one thing, although 762 00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:12,559 the bridge on that song does bring that kind of crashing to a hole. 763 00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:15,719 But like those things in this record, I, you know, I kind 764 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,480 of admired for what they were. I'm going to throw back to Sam just 765 00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:22,480 to really kind of for someone whom the I guess, you know, the 766 00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:27,039 traditional Spanish love songs elements and these new kind of new wavy pop elements are 767 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,760 working together for you in the way that is intended. Like how successful you 768 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,880 think this record is? Like what are what are the strengths on it? 769 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:37,639 What are the real defining like knock it out of the park moments? I 770 00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,639 think Marvel you said, I think that's one of like Hornted, I think 771 00:49:40,679 --> 00:49:44,159 as the first thing we might be my favorite someone of records that on Marvel 772 00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,800 or the two. I'm like, those are really great, the whole Marvel 773 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,039 having the trying trying to make it in the world, to stay alive out 774 00:49:51,039 --> 00:49:52,920 of Spy, Like those kind of lyrical hooks that are over there, that 775 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:58,559 are again the sorting that spas sometimes we're immediately going to latch onto. It's 776 00:49:59,159 --> 00:50:01,320 almost got a kind like folk punk sort of thing in it as well, 777 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:06,320 like the kind of like jointing guitars. But I just think there's then just 778 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,719 kind of having a bit more drive and pepping them to go along with the 779 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:16,199 kind of sadder touches. It feels more kind of uplifting in again, finding 780 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:21,360 finding a way through the sentence. I think like the ballads are still great. 781 00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,159 I again, if you if you find Dylan a bit much when when 782 00:50:25,199 --> 00:50:28,559 he's doing over acoustic songs, I can understand what that's going to you know, 783 00:50:28,679 --> 00:50:31,000 Yeah, but speak for the people who love them, right, Like, 784 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:35,519 people fucking love this band. People are gonna want to hear Dylan all 785 00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:37,039 over this. They're gonna want to hear the song speak for the people who 786 00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,679 love this band, right. I think for them, it just it delivers 787 00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,679 more of the kind of really most HEARTSIY stuff. The lyrics. I think 788 00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:49,800 there are the story that the storytelling, the the rousing that I'll be there 789 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,440 for kind of again the old appeal, even if the music has changed a 790 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,079 little bit of the people who really connected with this band, you know, 791 00:50:54,159 --> 00:50:59,840 again, Dylan's kind of uh, you know, topics and everything that he's 792 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:04,559 going out on this maybe with that less of a fucking downward spiral idea that 793 00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:08,079 you know, brave faces everyone had that's going to be really jumping out with 794 00:51:08,119 --> 00:51:12,280 this still right. Yeah, absolutely, I think that the again because I 795 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,719 think they've got more pop books on it as well, so that that they're 796 00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,400 going to, you know, really jump out. You've got songs like I'm 797 00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,840 going to Miss seven, which has that big kind of closing refrain, which 798 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,760 is gonna be a real sort of arms around your mates, kind of like 799 00:51:23,039 --> 00:51:30,639 we're in this together sing along, and that passion is so felt for every 800 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,440 part of this. I think, like, I think there is a in 801 00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:37,280 both in terms of like music, lyrics, songwriting. There is a great 802 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,719 maturity then all of the band's kind of around Spanish love song. At this 803 00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:44,440 point, I was over again that they're really well established, you know your 804 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,320 men singers. I think compare this to the Hot Maligan record, which again 805 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:51,159 I quite liked. I think I think this run circles around there in terms 806 00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:55,199 of Hook's emotion, the kind of like interesting directions of the music. I'm 807 00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:59,400 coming to them because there I'm sing them on toward together next week, and 808 00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,199 so I think they're there. They are quite close length to them, But 809 00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:06,400 I just think the Spins Officers are so much more interesting in the sort of 810 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,639 the musical palette they're drawing on. The space in the record. Yeah, 811 00:52:09,639 --> 00:52:13,800 I think the space in the record of mixing, you know, it's like 812 00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,440 mutable, this sort of slower simp heavy song that's really textured. None of 813 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:22,639 their peers are doing anything like that, and he like he are and just 814 00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:29,679 just based on these big emotional sing alongs, sort of big guitars. It 815 00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,800 just hits on all of those things that just leave all of the other bands 816 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:37,599 around them kind of playing catch up. And and that that's why I think 817 00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:40,400 it is the best thing about that spinsof songs is they it's raw and real. 818 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,800 I don't again, as much as it didn't come, I don't think 819 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,119 he's putting it on. I think this is him. His heart is on 820 00:52:47,199 --> 00:52:50,960 his sleeve. This is like, you know, you get some folks you 821 00:52:51,079 --> 00:52:52,760 can go, well, you're playing a character, you know. I don't 822 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:57,440 believe it. I believe Dylan is close to crying when he's singing these songs. 823 00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,400 I didn't think he's you know, I'm going to put that warbble in 824 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,719 my voice to to sell something fake. It's genuine. I think exit bags 825 00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:10,360 like really tender and kind of kind of trying to like find acceptances and you 826 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,159 know, things haven't gone as you planned, and now you've got to you've 827 00:53:14,199 --> 00:53:15,920 got to find your way forward from there. And find a new path. 828 00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:20,440 All of that just feels so real to me, and I think for fans 829 00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,519 they're going to have that exact connection and not have to like worry about being 830 00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:29,280 sold something fake. Yeah. Again with the change and how the kind of 831 00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:30,440 the songs are constructed as well, I think, you know, particularly when 832 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:35,960 you go back to like Schmaltz era, it sounds like a kind of small 833 00:53:36,159 --> 00:53:38,920 basement punk band, right whereas SMATs had a kind of fizziness to it at 834 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:44,719 points that was a little bit ramshackle. This this feels, this is the 835 00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,800 most classy I think they've ever sound in the say that those pivots again like 836 00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,880 let's say the new age Springsteen fucking you know thing, you know, the 837 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:57,519 ways that like the chorus of Pendulum around it has like these big, like 838 00:53:57,639 --> 00:54:00,760 stadium sounding guitars like they have kind of they I think they've kept a through 839 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,440 line of like the kind of songs that their fans are going to want to 840 00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,599 hear and want to connect to, while like dramatically, I guess increasing the 841 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:14,119 scope of what kind of what their music is able to kind of I guess 842 00:54:14,199 --> 00:54:16,280 evoke, And I think that's you know, what we're worthy of praise in 843 00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:22,079 that regard. Are you talking about you know again like Brave Faces Everyone's such 844 00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:22,679 a huge record. This is one of the things where it's like when we 845 00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,639 talk about, you know, the follow up to some of the kind of 846 00:54:25,679 --> 00:54:29,480 defining records of the t andn Era and has of how strong people to them 847 00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,639 to heart. This is one of those kind of follow up cases like it 848 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,679 might be early days right now, but like in the you know, the 849 00:54:36,119 --> 00:54:40,760 Spanish love SOM's Cannon, where is this coming? Is this like another proper 850 00:54:42,039 --> 00:54:47,119 knockout for me? For me, absolutely is because it's different. They they 851 00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:51,440 they're not trying to you know, one up Brave Faces everyone. They they've 852 00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,519 they've gone down a different route to like because again, Bravers of Them is 853 00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:59,239 so big on what it's doing in both in the terms of the lyrics and 854 00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:01,639 some of the points that I think if they tried to just you know, 855 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:06,840 do that again, maybe it wouldn't just feel be like, okay, you 856 00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:09,599 kind of tread on the same ground. I'm so happy that they've taken a 857 00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:16,280 swinging and gone for a like again the kind of pop like new wave kind 858 00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,760 of sort of stuff they've done, and for me that that is so cool 859 00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,480 that they've been able to take a pivot in their sound and still deliver exactly 860 00:55:23,559 --> 00:55:27,880 what I want from them, and it doesn't feel like it's it doesn't feel 861 00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,199 like they've kind of gone in a direction I don't like and and betrayed what 862 00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,960 I sort of fell in love with this band. And when I've just put 863 00:55:35,039 --> 00:55:37,239 Smaltz on on first listen and was completely like, oh fuck, wherever this 864 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,440 band been for my life, I still feel like I'm listening to that band. 865 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:45,840 I'm just listening to the most high budget, big songwriting version they can 866 00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:52,280 be while still believing that it's real. Yeah, and hopefully what they can 867 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,880 kind of do is again, if someone who went on a particular journey with 868 00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:59,960 Breakfast Level, which is a more pessimistic record, hopefully rather than a change 869 00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:02,440 just haven alienating people, it will kind of like catch off and follow up, 870 00:56:02,639 --> 00:56:07,679 right, I think fans will probably quite enjoy the less emotionally for and 871 00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:12,280 again the less kind of like bleak this, And I'm happy to go on 872 00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,920 the next step of the journey with them a bit more listenable. Yeah, 873 00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:16,480 like I would over get that. I think there are songs on Brakface and 874 00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,199 I can just all the time, but as now I'm as a whole it 875 00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,119 is. It's a heavy listen. It does kind of leave your feeling like 876 00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:27,480 fact and especially when you're putting it in that time and place of how bleak 877 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,440 things felt at that moment that I'm just going to transport you back to that. 878 00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:36,760 This going to be in the next step along and navigating through finding light 879 00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,079 where you can finding happiness in the dance, taking sort of breath and XL 880 00:56:40,159 --> 00:56:44,079 and kind of be like, okay, next step. I think fans are 881 00:56:44,119 --> 00:56:47,360 gonna really be happy to sort of carry on that and feel less kinds like 882 00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:52,719 everything is bad. I'm sad miserable all the time. I think, like 883 00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:57,119 even non fans, though I think for a lot of people, I would 884 00:56:57,119 --> 00:56:59,480 have probably included myself for this, even if I do have some qualms with 885 00:56:59,519 --> 00:57:04,079 the record, I think when this record hits, and it hits quite a 886 00:57:04,119 --> 00:57:07,119 lot, they're the best songs Spanish love songs have ever done. Like I've 887 00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:09,760 already mentioned Haunted, I thought, like Marvel, Yeah, like that really 888 00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,880 wants hooks and me it call youse to synth like kind of an uplifting night 889 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,440 drive kind of tempo to it, which is really nice. Pendulum, like 890 00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:24,960 just a genuinely really interesting production job and have a great one. Yeah, 891 00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:29,320 and then here you are, Like that might be my favorite song of that 892 00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,440 really classy arrangement, like really just a really well written song. And it 893 00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:37,039 doesn't feel like it's you know, tripping over itself to like, like I've 894 00:57:37,039 --> 00:57:38,360 said, it's about hot Mulligan way, it feels it trips over itself to 895 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:42,920 make you pity it. There's no semblance of that on that song. And 896 00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,320 I think for most of the record, and that's the thing I've I love 897 00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:50,159 Spanish love songs doing. I would love for them to explore more. It's 898 00:57:50,159 --> 00:57:52,800 a shame that kind of came in on Cleanup Crew, which it does feel 899 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,000 a bit like disco stew has been served as a viction notice. But for 900 00:57:55,119 --> 00:57:59,719 the vast majority of this record, I think it works, Like I think, 901 00:58:00,119 --> 00:58:04,800 on balance, when they do the thing that was hope I was hoping 902 00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,280 they do, and they do a lot of it, it hits the nail 903 00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:12,320 on the head. And I think, even if you're someone who's dismissed dismissed 904 00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,519 Spanish love songs in the past, it's worth given this a go because there 905 00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:16,679 are those moments which I think we'll get over with. Even with people who 906 00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:20,760 might have found the last two a bit greating, it's a bit more palatable, 907 00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:22,400 I think in that way because of said it feels just a bit more 908 00:58:22,519 --> 00:58:28,519 toned down on the real extreme. I'm about to cry, seriously, guys, 909 00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:31,039 I'm crying right now, honestly, Like, and again, I don't 910 00:58:31,079 --> 00:58:35,840 think he's putting that on. I really do feel that Dylan is like that, 911 00:58:36,039 --> 00:58:38,760 like, but I can understand why for some people doing a grave faces 912 00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:43,639 that was like, alright, steady on, mate. I sincerely hope their 913 00:58:43,719 --> 00:58:46,119 next album is a double album called I'm about to Cry. No, seriously, 914 00:58:46,159 --> 00:58:51,679 guys, I'm crying right now. Yeah, And again that that kind 915 00:58:51,679 --> 00:58:54,440 of I guess brings in my feelings on it, because the what you're saying 916 00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,360 about it, if you've take you know, if you've you know, not 917 00:58:58,519 --> 00:59:00,880 enjoy Spanish on up as the point, give it a go and there'll be 918 00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:05,400 things in it that maybe surprise you. That is I guess technically true on 919 00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:07,800 my part, where like I listened to it and again, stuff like that 920 00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,400 synth line in Haunted, in the general arrangement of the kind of songs, 921 00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,159 I was like, oh wow, Okay, that is a bit little bit 922 00:59:13,199 --> 00:59:16,199 different from again the general overbearing us of what they've done before. But the 923 00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,960 last time I did this was when we reviewed Hot Mulligan. Actually, and 924 00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,320 I don't intend to just compare these two bands all the time, but sometimes 925 00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:27,079 I pressed play on one of these albums and the very first notes happen and 926 00:59:27,199 --> 00:59:31,159 I have to pause it for a moment because the very first sounds that you 927 00:59:31,239 --> 00:59:36,599 hear on a record are just so aggressively against my sensibilities, and pressing play 928 00:59:36,639 --> 00:59:42,559 on this and sheepy boy bleating with that fucking wibble filter, like I literally 929 00:59:42,679 --> 00:59:45,800 knew from the first seconds. Even when the arrangements and stuff surprised me, 930 00:59:45,159 --> 00:59:50,320 my overriding feelings on Spanish on songs weren't going to change because I can't help 931 00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,360 it. There are parts on this album when a song will start and he's 932 00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,599 clearly singing about something really dear and heavy to him, and I feel bad 933 00:59:55,639 --> 00:59:59,039 because I don't doubt the sincerity, and I don't doubt any of the content, 934 00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,440 but I can't help laugh at it because our delivery is so fucking overall, 935 01:00:02,519 --> 01:00:06,480 like I'm going to miss everything, Like the opening seconds, I'm clearly 936 01:00:06,519 --> 01:00:08,320 just not on the wavelength to take that seriously. But like again, I 937 01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:12,719 find them so great thing to listen to. I can't deal with that man 938 01:00:13,199 --> 01:00:16,440 delivering every line while standing on a wobbly podium that's being shaken from side to 939 01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:20,880 side by a bunch of goons at the bottom. Again, that pendulum chorus 940 01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,760 delivery. What I mentioned with the guitars, everything I said about the guitars 941 01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:27,159 or four chorus in his delivery of it, And a switch just goes in 942 01:00:27,239 --> 01:00:30,159 my head where all of these melodies sound the exact same to me, and 943 01:00:30,239 --> 01:00:34,760 I want to do the opposite of singing along to them. It's that singing 944 01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,840 with no dynamism thing that I've complained about other beloved vocalists in the scene having 945 01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:42,079 as well. And that's a personal issue where my liers may vary. If 946 01:00:42,119 --> 01:00:45,360 you can listen to this man and for reasons very different to mine, he 947 01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:46,960 stirs your soul in some way. I'm sure there's some lovely souls, some 948 01:00:47,079 --> 01:00:51,079 great songs. The last few songs for me did kind of just drift off 949 01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:53,280 into sort of like aimless synth. But maybe that's just me being like so 950 01:00:54,159 --> 01:01:00,599 fucking just turned off by the emotional delivery all the time, duction wise and 951 01:01:00,719 --> 01:01:02,559 energy level. It does sound ahead of I don't know what we're hearing from 952 01:01:02,599 --> 01:01:06,960 the Gaslight Anthem currently. So if you're still looking for new bands wanting to 953 01:01:07,039 --> 01:01:10,840 do what they did for you, take all my favorite bands parent. Yeah. 954 01:01:12,159 --> 01:01:15,199 All I'm saying is, you know, this is a band who are 955 01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:19,159 clearly plugged into the moment. They are making a creative shift. And I 956 01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,960 was saying, you don't have to lye on nostalgia for a band like that 957 01:01:22,119 --> 01:01:25,719 from several years ago to deliver the thing for you. I just can't fucking 958 01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:32,119 happens home. If you was, you know, go like a goblin, 959 01:01:32,199 --> 01:01:40,599 you'd you'd be all over this love solo album, No Joy. It gave 960 01:01:40,639 --> 01:01:43,400 me no joy. I'm sorry, but I'm sure it will form any of 961 01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:47,639 you. And we move on to the excerpts and Learning How to Live and 962 01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:52,719 Let Go, who are one of the only bands to emerge in the early 963 01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,679 twenty tens era of straightforward melodic British rock music to be worth a dam and 964 01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,079 they grow more and more into their own kind of path that over time as 965 01:02:00,119 --> 01:02:04,199 well, Because twenty eighteens, hold onto your heart. This is not one 966 01:02:04,239 --> 01:02:06,440 of those cases where one of those records we are split on in the way 967 01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,320 we've just spoken out with Spanish Love Songs, it's one of the best records 968 01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:14,480 of the last ten years for that kind of just pure burst your heart with 969 01:02:14,599 --> 01:02:20,880 fucking life, gallop through the streets pop rock songwriting. That being the record 970 01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,760 they are following up here as well. And last time we spoke about it, 971 01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:29,719 I of all people you know, picked it on Last Albu last year's 972 01:02:29,719 --> 01:02:32,159 summer album, and we were all just like, this album should have hit 973 01:02:32,199 --> 01:02:36,760 like fucking platinum at the time, Like people who like that kind of heartland 974 01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,159 rock music in their droves when it is presented to them in the right way. 975 01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:44,239 Nothing has done it with the kind of pop appeal that hold into your 976 01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:49,360 Heart has in recent years. And it is, yeah, stripped back purest 977 01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,639 of intentions rock music, but with songs like Daydream and First Kiss, Feeling 978 01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,760 and drive Me Wild that in those melodies, you know how they make you 979 01:02:55,880 --> 01:03:00,840 feel and just explode in your ears. Fee you like classics, like music 980 01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:05,440 that genuinely feels like it would hold up and still sound great in any era 981 01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,599 between like the nineteen fifties, and we'll still do decades beyond the one we 982 01:03:09,679 --> 01:03:15,119 currently find ourselves in. Yeah, like timeless songwriting on that and again you 983 01:03:15,159 --> 01:03:16,519 said like and it was like the Hartland rock. But even on the pop 984 01:03:16,599 --> 01:03:20,679 side, you know a lot of those kind of like eighties influenced one and 985 01:03:20,719 --> 01:03:22,599 pop acts, the nineteen seventy five and some like that. I think, 986 01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,440 oh yeah, the excerpts and hold on Your Heart were songs are on that 987 01:03:25,519 --> 01:03:29,639 record. Yeah, you're absolutely great. Yeah, that would that would if 988 01:03:29,679 --> 01:03:32,079 they've been putting the like, if they've just been given that proper audience would 989 01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:35,920 have gone like, fun, this is an amazing daydream, like you say, 990 01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,840 like first Kiss, feeling like feels like falling in love is one of 991 01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:43,519 those like God, that song should have been everywhere. That should have been 992 01:03:43,559 --> 01:03:46,199 like the Sound of Summer twenty eighteen. It's one of those records where when 993 01:03:46,239 --> 01:03:49,880 it came out, I kind of presumed that I wasn't gonna like it for 994 01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,360 every reason, and then putting it on and just being greased with this like 995 01:03:53,519 --> 01:03:58,119 joyous burst of Heartland rock with like you said, with the glam rock flair, 996 01:03:58,159 --> 01:04:00,440 which was really the selling thing for me. And it feels like every 997 01:04:00,519 --> 01:04:04,039 year there's like three bands where people just go why aren't they massive? And 998 01:04:04,119 --> 01:04:08,119 you just think, well, I'm sorry. They they're a metalcore band, 999 01:04:08,119 --> 01:04:12,679 that's why they're not massive. But with the Exerts, I remember thinking, 1000 01:04:12,719 --> 01:04:15,639 like everything about them, from their name to their sound, like their song 1001 01:04:15,719 --> 01:04:19,480 sittles and everything, it just seemed like it could be a legitimately popular band. 1002 01:04:19,559 --> 01:04:23,559 I could imagine T four on the Beach going up next. It's the 1003 01:04:23,679 --> 01:04:27,639 Exerts, and they're not an unpopular band, but that record, certainly, 1004 01:04:28,599 --> 01:04:32,760 it was so much more like palaceable and just good than their size, the 1005 01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:38,679 size they currently enjoy. I think warrants they're such a beloved cult band, 1006 01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:41,440 but and that felt like, actually, you know where they went beyond beyond 1007 01:04:41,519 --> 01:04:45,039 being a cult band. Yeah, And like I said, stuff that just 1008 01:04:45,159 --> 01:04:48,719 sounds just very timelessly at the fundamental kind of root appeal of rock music and 1009 01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:53,760 that kind of on right and just great whenever and wherever you hear it, 1010 01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,559 which is why it felt like such a harsh, harsh turn. When the 1011 01:04:57,599 --> 01:05:02,239 first music released in this album was one hundred Exerts, it was it was 1012 01:05:02,559 --> 01:05:09,719 one of those real just crushing moments of like, ah, this band that 1013 01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:14,519 I love so much, of taking a pivot into doing something I really don't 1014 01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:16,440 like, and and it was just like this is I don't know, I 1015 01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,559 don't feel like, you know, having my back aches all being like, 1016 01:05:18,639 --> 01:05:21,159 am I going to have to go and give the Ex as a bit of 1017 01:05:21,199 --> 01:05:24,519 a kick in? You know? I'm us like even the sort of the 1018 01:05:24,559 --> 01:05:27,559 other brit rock bands, I'm always one who's kind of like defending them from 1019 01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:29,280 you pair, And but I was like, I'm gonna have to you know, 1020 01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:32,639 be the one like involving the kick in this time. Yeah, I 1021 01:05:32,719 --> 01:05:35,639 mean I don't I wouldn't you know, I wouldn't enjoy doing it because you 1022 01:05:35,679 --> 01:05:39,880 know, the Ex and I very much fell in love with that band around 1023 01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,679 the you know, the last record, and again what we're saying in terms 1024 01:05:43,679 --> 01:05:48,760 of like they were unrewarded for how brilliant they were and those kind of songs 1025 01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:50,679 like you know, I went to see him in like the Death Institute in 1026 01:05:50,719 --> 01:05:54,320 Manchester, which is like three hundred four hundred cap or something like that, 1027 01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,840 and it's like it wasn't sold out either, and it's like that's how do 1028 01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:02,519 you hear daydream in that room and not wonder where the fuck someone's gone wrong? 1029 01:06:02,719 --> 01:06:08,400 Right? Like in just the general running of the world. But the 1030 01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:12,639 stuff we were getting from this it was just bad songs and bad ideas, 1031 01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:16,280 Like Gimme, it's just fucking annoying. Like I love Murray, He's got 1032 01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:19,760 a fantastic voice, and all of that kind of tonality that is specific to 1033 01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:25,599 him in his delivery makes it so, but that booby aking, like grating 1034 01:06:25,719 --> 01:06:30,440 monotone verse line in Gimme does not suit his voice at all, And then 1035 01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,519 you know, the fucking it comes to nothing, and it's like, even 1036 01:06:33,559 --> 01:06:39,199 if you are excited about experimenting with something, do you really think that that 1037 01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:43,639 stands up to the work you've done in the past, Like Gimme is ever 1038 01:06:43,719 --> 01:06:47,119 going to stand next to Shaking in the water and kind of not going to 1039 01:06:47,199 --> 01:06:50,599 shrivel up in comparison. Yeah, those songs again, the first bits that 1040 01:06:50,639 --> 01:06:56,400 we heard from this record were just like a jarring, jarring change from a 1041 01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:00,639 band who again sounded timeless, into a band that was like a pleasant on 1042 01:07:00,719 --> 01:07:02,519 the ear, which is nothing you could ever say about, you know, 1043 01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:09,960 either of their last few records. My biggest hope was that the singles would 1044 01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:13,760 be these like big experimental outliers and we'd have a situation similar to like Biffy 1045 01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:15,639 Cleiro of Instant History on Our Hands, where like, Okay, you've tried 1046 01:07:15,679 --> 01:07:18,920 something with the least single and it hasn't worked, but maybe the rest of 1047 01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:25,440 the album will be more sensible and it's not all as unlistable as Gimme. 1048 01:07:26,519 --> 01:07:30,320 Yeah, I do. I do think this is a turkey. So I 1049 01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:34,440 don't think this is a turkey. It is the worst excepts album. There 1050 01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:39,559 are moments that I think I'm like, God, what is wrong with you? 1051 01:07:39,719 --> 01:07:45,159 And like Gimme is Gimme is the worst? And Love Sick. Those 1052 01:07:45,199 --> 01:07:48,480 are the two that I'm like, what are you doing this horrible, garish, 1053 01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:54,519 like cloying pop rop thing that again, as you said Moray's I love 1054 01:07:54,599 --> 01:07:59,159 Momay's vocalist, but what he's doing vocally on that's on those songs does not 1055 01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:03,000 work one bit. Those like the worst things the other problems that you then 1056 01:08:03,079 --> 01:08:09,679 get songs like Ache and Jealousy, which have unfinished Like I genuinely think those 1057 01:08:09,719 --> 01:08:12,639 songs, I don't think they're actually you know, the cork and most of 1058 01:08:12,639 --> 01:08:15,480 those songs, I think there's some good stuff in there, but both those 1059 01:08:15,519 --> 01:08:19,760 songs end before they've gone anywhere. Jealousy, Like, I think it's quite 1060 01:08:20,079 --> 01:08:23,359 decently, you know when when it's kind of going along and then you get 1061 01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:27,319 to this like weird kind of drop out and builds to that final bit of 1062 01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:29,680 Mary screaming, and that feels like that should be the bridge before you come 1063 01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:31,720 back in for like a big final chorus, and then it just stops. 1064 01:08:33,319 --> 01:08:38,359 They a just writing a song. We're out of chorus, like Ache baffling, 1065 01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:42,079 like this is the band who's like choruses have been so simple, like 1066 01:08:42,199 --> 01:08:45,159 real nursery rhyme, like repeating that one line over and over again. It 1067 01:08:45,239 --> 01:08:50,359 feels like falling in love like and that that beautiful simplicity. But Ache doesn't 1068 01:08:50,359 --> 01:08:54,720 have a chorus until the last twenty seconds and then it's end and it's over 1069 01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:59,199 and it's it's so it's such a weird decision. When I call it, 1070 01:08:59,239 --> 01:09:01,520 Hol'm a turkey. What I mean by that is I would ask uself the 1071 01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:05,159 question is there anything on this album that I would want to hear again? 1072 01:09:06,039 --> 01:09:12,239 And the answer is no. The answer them there is one song on this 1073 01:09:12,399 --> 01:09:16,319 album that I think i'd go that's an Excerpts classic. I haven't heard it. 1074 01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,920 I mean, let me just say, like again. The answer of 1075 01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:23,880 do I want to hear any these songs again is no, And there are 1076 01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:26,279 some that I really never want to hear again, like give Me for example. 1077 01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:28,800 But ultimately, when I go, is there anything on this album that's 1078 01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:31,880 going to be drawing me back, the answer is no. It's it's one 1079 01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:35,399 of the most front to back. I haven't gained anything from this albums I've 1080 01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:41,239 heard that we've reviewed at least on this podcast this year, and it's again, 1081 01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:43,399 I never, you know, want to doubt their intention, like you 1082 01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,720 know, never attribute to malice what you could for stupidity or the the kind 1083 01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:50,439 of musical equipment equivalent is, you know, people get genuinely excited by new 1084 01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:54,840 ways of making music sound, and if they've been at something for a while 1085 01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:57,800 that might have lost it sheen in the moment, they can get caught up 1086 01:09:57,840 --> 01:09:59,880 in the excitement of you know, kind of a new wave and you move 1087 01:10:00,039 --> 01:10:03,079 and without really recognizing how poorly it fits. Then right, like it's a 1088 01:10:03,159 --> 01:10:06,239 tale as older time. It doesn't always have to be attributed to you know, 1089 01:10:06,359 --> 01:10:10,920 sell out. But this is as cut and dried a case of a 1090 01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:16,800 band trying something that smothers everything enjoyable about their music I think I've ever heard. 1091 01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,199 Yeah, it's one of those where you never want to condemn a band, 1092 01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:27,119 a band for trying something obviously not and the thought the excerpts trying something 1093 01:10:27,199 --> 01:10:29,800 new isn't inherently a bad idea. I mean, they've got the formula so 1094 01:10:30,359 --> 01:10:33,279 perfect on Hold Onto Your Heart, but they're clearly talented guys, capable of 1095 01:10:33,359 --> 01:10:39,079 other things. But what they've gone for here, it's such a fundamentally terrible 1096 01:10:39,159 --> 01:10:43,920 idea, and like you say, just sacrificing that timeless quality for something that 1097 01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:48,319 sounds already dated and like uber modern and that sort of hyperpop inflected take on 1098 01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:58,800 unfinished, unrealized pop rock. It doesn't sound like something that would excite young 1099 01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:02,560 people. Even it sounds like the in between a soundtrack being played by nankats. 1100 01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:09,720 It's like it just it boggles, it boggles the mind. And in 1101 01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:13,319 fact, listening to this record the first time, I had such an aversion 1102 01:11:13,399 --> 01:11:17,399 to it that it almost vindicated me for the five minutes of suspicion I had 1103 01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:21,920 for the Experts five and a half years ago. I like that, and 1104 01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:26,600 I put this and I went, I knew it like amazing. Alum Aside 1105 01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:30,119 that doesn't matter. I knew it. Like listening to this, it's just 1106 01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:35,439 like you says about them being unfinished songs. I don't think it's like the 1107 01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:41,560 unfinished songs and them being garish and obnoxious is a side problem. It feels 1108 01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:45,399 like they're garish and obnoxious to compensate for the fact that there is no song. 1109 01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:49,119 It's the warkasm critique but being applied to the excerts, and that's pretty 1110 01:11:49,159 --> 01:11:56,039 heartbreaking. I mean, the appeal of the excert is exuberant, sonically gorgeous, 1111 01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:00,239 emotionally intimate, but also like quite kick ass, you know, rock 1112 01:12:00,279 --> 01:12:04,239 and roll music that feels like a band of mates playing together. Everything about 1113 01:12:04,279 --> 01:12:08,840 what they've done to the Seals, And this album takes out that list of 1114 01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:13,319 strengths and crosses out one of them and replaces it with a bunch of indistinct 1115 01:12:13,359 --> 01:12:15,560 gunk and like I was reading an interview with them and they were talking about 1116 01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:19,439 writing songs with a spontaneity like their teenagers. Again, I don't hear that 1117 01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:24,239 in this horribly overproduced record. You know, it doesn't at all feel like 1118 01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:29,039 a bunch of kids picking up guitars and playing physy, exciting rocks. Whatever 1119 01:12:29,079 --> 01:12:31,079 the guitar practice room. It feels like someone I know what they mean by 1120 01:12:31,119 --> 01:12:32,880 that is, you know, like, oh, things are off limits, 1121 01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:35,239 we can go to whatever place. But it feels like someone who's gotten boared 1122 01:12:35,399 --> 01:12:39,560 of how they used play is it when they're a teenager and instead is trying 1123 01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:42,279 to write music that current teenagers would like. And you know, again, 1124 01:12:42,279 --> 01:12:44,520 Sam, you mentioned when you dive, then you mentioned a lot of kind 1125 01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:48,199 of like individual songs as of how they sound, the way he sits on 1126 01:12:48,319 --> 01:12:56,600 Jealousy, the vocal line on this like fucking awful inhuman teenage dirt bag gass, 1127 01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:00,680 guitar progression feels like any number of like the Poet, Machine Gun, 1128 01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:04,039 Kelly, pop punk production line songs. And when he screams for ten seconds 1129 01:13:04,079 --> 01:13:06,560 at the end of that song, it's like dyke for you all over again. 1130 01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:11,319 Like even if there is there is a recognizable sort of you know, 1131 01:13:13,079 --> 01:13:16,000 the glint of the excerts in there in the core of that song, how 1132 01:13:16,119 --> 01:13:19,479 it has been constructed and how it is put together has made every one of 1133 01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:27,079 those things just definitely unpleasant. I think jealousy is not the worst defender for 1134 01:13:27,119 --> 01:13:29,680 it. I think jealousy, like I long as jas is a good song 1135 01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:31,600 about you know, I cant least you know, with a bit of tweaking, 1136 01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:35,520 you could have got something from from Jealousy. I think there are songs 1137 01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:39,279 like give Me a Love to the ones that I just really go to be 1138 01:13:39,399 --> 01:13:42,520 like and Carcash Culture feels like the one where they're kind have gone again. 1139 01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:46,239 This feels like almost recognized the excess, but you've made it so lifeless and 1140 01:13:46,319 --> 01:13:50,399 buy numbers at that point that it I don't get that big burst on that 1141 01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:56,880 chorus that I should be getting on the excerts, Like I agree with you 1142 01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:00,840 that it sounds like them trying to write muse is it for teenagers that I 1143 01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:04,760 don't think it just it just doesn't suit them. And then the flip said 1144 01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:08,199 that you then get all the ballads will make up the other half of the 1145 01:14:08,279 --> 01:14:11,319 record. That was a confusing thing. It was like, why on this 1146 01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:14,119 record that you've kind of led off with, like, yeah, this is 1147 01:14:14,199 --> 01:14:17,159 us being excited and it's we've got attitude and it's everything's off limits. Half 1148 01:14:17,199 --> 01:14:20,079 of it is like balladeering as you normally expecting the excerpts, but within the 1149 01:14:20,159 --> 01:14:26,640 context of this, like you know, against sonically very ugly, quite abrasive 1150 01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:30,800 on the Year, and again all the songs that they call I think maybe 1151 01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,920 there are melodies in there that you really like. I think they're all suffocated. 1152 01:14:34,239 --> 01:14:36,600 I think maybe there are maybe there are things that you know, when 1153 01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:42,399 when they play it live without all the bullshit, it'd be passable. Still. 1154 01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:45,279 He sounded quite good live when I heard it a couple of months ago 1155 01:14:45,319 --> 01:14:47,279 before the album, way before anything. I've only heard the recording version, 1156 01:14:47,319 --> 01:14:51,720 and it sucks and it's it's sounds terrible and it just it's melting that I 1157 01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:56,680 ever want to hear again. And car Crash culture the way that verse with 1158 01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,880 kind of Murray. It has that kind of more like eighties feel too, 1159 01:15:00,159 --> 01:15:03,199 which we like with the experts, but they've translated that through that kind of 1160 01:15:03,279 --> 01:15:06,479 jagged edge hyperpop filter, and I think the result isn't like, you know, 1161 01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:10,279 it takes something we knew and it reframes it in an interesting way. 1162 01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:14,680 It's more like there's something that we knew and it's trapped in something ugly that 1163 01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,680 doesn't fit it. Yeah, And a major problem with all of these songs 1164 01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:23,039 is that they don't take off because whether they are you know, weird little 1165 01:15:23,079 --> 01:15:25,479 sketches as is the kind of trend with this hyper kind of you know that 1166 01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:29,319 this kind of music, or they are so constrained by all the ugly shit 1167 01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:33,079 going on in the recording of them. These songs don't let themselves fly the 1168 01:15:33,119 --> 01:15:39,000 way exert songs really can. Like they're also so you know, like again 1169 01:15:39,079 --> 01:15:42,640 that the sub two minute songs don't even allows us get started. Ache with 1170 01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:45,800 the Sam Carter feature, it's like that'd be a bit of an album, 1171 01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,880 Like it's a Sam Carter feature on an Exerts album should be a moment that's 1172 01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:54,159 so long and they're coming right, But yeah, it's a complete non event. 1173 01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:56,960 The moment it starts building any melody, they might go anywhere and comes 1174 01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,359 something, it's fucking finished. I said, the chorus comes in in the 1175 01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:01,960 last twenty seconds and that and that's it. And that song, to me, 1176 01:16:02,079 --> 01:16:04,840 that's why I feel like we're like we're missing half a song here. 1177 01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:09,039 And this is this is why I'll call to the defense of blame, which 1178 01:16:09,079 --> 01:16:10,680 is you know, tucked at the back end of the album. And it's 1179 01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:15,239 the only song that does sound like a fully formed excerpt song of the chorus 1180 01:16:15,319 --> 01:16:16,920 that actually lifts. And I don't know if it's it feels like it was 1181 01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:20,680 written at a different times of us the album because it doesn't sound like the 1182 01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:26,239 rest of the album. And like again, maybe it's just surrounded by so 1183 01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:31,039 much other either bad songs or non event ballads, because again I don't think 1184 01:16:31,079 --> 01:16:34,279 the ballads are particularly terrible on this. Murray can sell those songs, but 1185 01:16:34,359 --> 01:16:38,520 they're there. Again, am I going to listen to any ballad on this 1186 01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:43,479 album? Over there is only You absolutely not or like the Tarto can Hold 1187 01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:45,119 onto Your Heart. None of the ballads on here are kind of hold a 1188 01:16:45,159 --> 01:16:50,199 patch them, but they're not dreadful. It's weird that the album is like 1189 01:16:51,079 --> 01:16:57,520 mostly either kind of bland or bad, but it just has this one song 1190 01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:00,600 that I can kind of get it to go, like had some with this, 1191 01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:04,800 and it's that more of like there's the band I recognize in and amongst 1192 01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:09,680 all this other then wearing costumes that don't fit them. I mean, I 1193 01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:11,479 think I love to go back to that one, because to be honest, 1194 01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:15,079 listening to this, I don't know the sequencing is it's like three songs from 1195 01:17:15,079 --> 01:17:17,399 the end. You're not it's not going to stand out when it's tucked in 1196 01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:20,359 right at the back of the album, you've already worn down by the early 1197 01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:24,720 half fit this is an isolation where I've gone now that song's really good. 1198 01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:28,119 Like, I know you don't want to start an album being boring, but 1199 01:17:28,279 --> 01:17:31,119 being annoying is a very hard things come back from. And even like, 1200 01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:36,439 once you get past the first five seconds of Gimme, it's like the songs 1201 01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:41,279 just seems to go annoying, annoying, annoying, annoying, and then they 1202 01:17:41,319 --> 01:17:44,159 switch over to side B and we go boring, boring, boring, boring. 1203 01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:47,680 Yes, it's such an upsetting like just as a principle, it's just 1204 01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:51,920 like, so I'm I'm pissed off for the first fifteen minutes and then I'm 1205 01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:56,800 looking at the clock for the next fifteen And I don't know how long this 1206 01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:59,439 album would be when I listened to the singles, but the fact where the 1207 01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:02,039 songs were short made me think they might well the singles were short, maybe 1208 01:18:02,079 --> 01:18:05,600 think they'll just be like vignettes and then the album itself could be forty minutes 1209 01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:10,720 and really explore some other stuff. But the fact it's thirty minutes long and 1210 01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:15,720 there's so much stuff I found disagreeable about it. It's almost like the worst 1211 01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:19,439 of all possible worlds, because when the new songs, the songs I wasn't 1212 01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:25,359 familiar with, came into the mix, I had the crushing realization that I 1213 01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:28,640 didn't like them either. Yeah, I think there is when it goes into 1214 01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:33,039 the latter section of the record, there are a few songs where you're kind 1215 01:18:33,119 --> 01:18:39,199 of allowed to at least enjoy a memory of like the melodic strength that usually 1216 01:18:39,239 --> 01:18:42,119 comes with the Exerts. It's just laid into this more fucked up sound, 1217 01:18:42,239 --> 01:18:45,600 but like there is a little run of like lust in translation terrible title a 1218 01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:50,039 side Love Sick is like an okay olt pop size seeks it loves its On 1219 01:18:50,079 --> 01:18:56,159 the ones that really grates on me, then, yeah, I'm not going 1220 01:18:56,199 --> 01:19:00,319 to defend it. I'm just saying it was, you know, less aggressively 1221 01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:03,880 bad than the worst parts of the record. I think the chorus works better 1222 01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:08,119 for Murray to kind of sing in his usual range and summon up that kind 1223 01:19:08,119 --> 01:19:11,439 of emotionally inspiring edge that he has in him. And then I think of 1224 01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:14,680 the singles, Blaine is the closest to the ideal of what they are going 1225 01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:17,800 for. I still think again it's swapped out like the best of the vocal 1226 01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:21,600 melody for a synth hook to carry instead, which is in terms of how 1227 01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:25,399 exert songs are written and where the kind of impetus place feels like a poor 1228 01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:29,439 idea. I think there's that little bit is like the closest to what I 1229 01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:32,600 think the excerpts would imagine in terms of putting their usual sound through this new 1230 01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:38,039 prison to get something fresh for them. But because none of these songs have 1231 01:19:38,159 --> 01:19:42,640 any real organic lift the way their best stuff has, it's so muffled by 1232 01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:46,960 this awful gary production, bad songwriting choices, and everything equalized kind of swill 1233 01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:51,159 even again, like blame, maybe it is the best song on the record. 1234 01:19:51,239 --> 01:19:55,880 It was certainly ones that I highlight as being less terrible, but even 1235 01:19:55,960 --> 01:20:00,960 that is still a shadow of what this band can. There are points to 1236 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,520 jump out on this record of like not being terrible, but are they great? 1237 01:20:05,319 --> 01:20:09,319 No? Are the terrible parts of this record terrible? Yeah? And 1238 01:20:09,359 --> 01:20:11,960 I think overall as a body of work, it just feels like an awful 1239 01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,880 move for them because it's something that you try and go, you know, 1240 01:20:15,119 --> 01:20:16,239 oh, this is this is ship and it doesn't suit our songs at all. 1241 01:20:16,279 --> 01:20:18,199 But at least we've tried it, and then we go back to what 1242 01:20:18,279 --> 01:20:21,680 feels real, except you know, again an awful traitor. This kind of 1243 01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:25,960 music they're leaning into is it's so bitty because the exerts. They don't as 1244 01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,840 a habit make long albums, right, But this feels in comparison like there's 1245 01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:31,039 nothing to get in your teeth too, Like the songs are sucking over before 1246 01:20:31,039 --> 01:20:34,479 they've done. They've got no replayability value. It's just unpleasant on the ears, 1247 01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:36,800 and it stunts the emotional edge of their music, which is the overall 1248 01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:40,520 appeal. So why come back to it? And I just like I don't 1249 01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,560 believe it will be their defining music like they might think it is right now, 1250 01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:45,960 having come off the excitement of making it. Bands always do, and 1251 01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:49,840 I respect that, but in time it won't be. No, I agree 1252 01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:56,000 with you on that. I think this will be brushed aside as them jumping 1253 01:20:56,039 --> 01:21:01,079 on a musical movement that just didn't suit them. Like, I've not seen 1254 01:21:01,199 --> 01:21:05,039 much in the way of reactions to this like positive, but I've seen a 1255 01:21:05,079 --> 01:21:09,680 few people like on the discords like that. But I got good of you 1256 01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:13,720 and Krang like I don't know, Yeah, TikTok ain't gonna care just because 1257 01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,039 he died your hair neeon, Like you're not immediately destruct like destined to break 1258 01:21:16,119 --> 01:21:19,399 into that sphere. Like I can't see this working in any meaningful way long 1259 01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:24,039 term, Like this is a swing because this far into doing it. I 1260 01:21:24,079 --> 01:21:25,840 guess for them it's, you know, why not make a swing for it, 1261 01:21:26,159 --> 01:21:30,600 But it's not complimentary to them one bit. And I can't see this 1262 01:21:30,399 --> 01:21:35,640 sticking around. I just don't think the TikTok idea is good for any band 1263 01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:42,439 because the likelihood of it panning out is almost none. And you're not only 1264 01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:45,279 competing with new bands, you think on six of your competing with stuff going 1265 01:21:45,319 --> 01:21:48,159 back to the sixties, like random songs become wildly popular on So the idea 1266 01:21:48,159 --> 01:21:54,279 that you can get into the algorithm and write songs for it is it's just 1267 01:21:54,560 --> 01:22:00,640 a fool zerrand because every thing this is it. And I think the problem 1268 01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,279 is made worse by the fact is their first record in what five and a 1269 01:22:03,319 --> 01:22:06,680 half years, like this was two years after hold Onto Your Heart a Little 1270 01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:11,279 Aside, and then by now we were talking about the next Exerts record. 1271 01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:15,680 This might be seen as a sort of goofy little interesting detour, but after 1272 01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:19,319 five and a half years, it can only be seen as a statement of 1273 01:22:19,399 --> 01:22:23,880 where you are now. There's no way of making I think this has come 1274 01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:29,800 with the back of a lot. Yeah, I'm short, like I'm sure 1275 01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,680 there's a lot of facts that I've gone into the delay, but it's still 1276 01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:35,319 something to consider. And I think waiting five and a half years for thirty 1277 01:22:35,359 --> 01:22:43,920 minutes where we've struggled to find a redeeming feature of it, that's that's an 1278 01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:48,359 alarmingly serious disappointment. Yeah, there maybe some salvation yet in the form of 1279 01:22:48,399 --> 01:22:51,880 Teenage Rest, who right at the beginning of this month released a new album, 1280 01:22:53,039 --> 01:22:55,840 Still Love, which is they follow up to the fantastic Earth is a 1281 01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:58,800 black Hole album, which is released at right at the start of twenty twenty 1282 01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:00,239 one, when the world was very in the grip of you know, COVID 1283 01:23:00,319 --> 01:23:03,359 lockdown. Still we've described this as being like a bit a bit of a 1284 01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:06,680 dirty nil fuck art situation where this band had released their best record and then 1285 01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:11,479 we're not able to meaningful yap support it. But Earth's black Hole, I 1286 01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:13,680 think is one of the examples of that time period of an album that you 1287 01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:15,479 know, just like we were saying about holding to the heart by the experts 1288 01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:19,319 once all the time. In a different time, with rock music in a 1289 01:23:19,359 --> 01:23:21,880 better position in the world pecking order, would have had so much more than 1290 01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:27,560 it got because the songwriting on it is very high standard late nineties, that 1291 01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:30,359 album would have been huge surely. Like what they're doing on it, it 1292 01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:34,199 was, it's so of that era, just doing it the best standard, 1293 01:23:34,319 --> 01:23:39,640 the kind of shoegazey emo with big pop hooks and melodies all over it. 1294 01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,680 I like it sounds that made me really like Teenage riss It was one of 1295 01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:45,039 my really half of my EAMI the yearlist that year. So yeah, I 1296 01:23:45,159 --> 01:23:49,039 think it's black Hole is such a good album. Yeah, I thought Teenage 1297 01:23:49,079 --> 01:23:51,399 Riss We was just kind of like okay back on their first album and then 1298 01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:55,359 like wasting time and that title track here, and like who would they really 1299 01:23:55,359 --> 01:23:57,239 come out swinging with that? It's just like, you know, big, 1300 01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:00,520 beautiful, timeless melodic rock songs that sound great on radio but critically are not 1301 01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:04,439 produced for radio. Like they're just honest and let the melody to do the 1302 01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:09,000 work for them. This album's like a good fifteen minutes longer than The Black 1303 01:24:09,039 --> 01:24:10,840 Card, which is going to concern me a little bit because you know, 1304 01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:13,479 someone who doesn't live here thirty five minutes or so, it was kind of 1305 01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:17,079 sweet spot for this kind of stuff. But Sunshine, I love the big, 1306 01:24:17,159 --> 01:24:19,680 like boisterousness in their guitar lines where it's just really like, you know, 1307 01:24:20,399 --> 01:24:24,079 big fucking smack on the snare as well like my own summer style. 1308 01:24:24,319 --> 01:24:29,520 There's a really good combination there of like big, pristine vocal melody for the 1309 01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:32,159 clarity and like a looping instrumental hook to support it. And I did these 1310 01:24:32,279 --> 01:24:35,720 three like alt rock albums that we've done all in a day for my notes 1311 01:24:36,039 --> 01:24:40,279 in the order that we've done them in, and Sunshine hit and I was 1312 01:24:40,319 --> 01:24:42,840 just, oh, thank god, this is immediately the best I've heard all 1313 01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:46,720 day. I mean, like just as an opener. It's funny that you 1314 01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:50,640 mentioned Are because in my notes here I compare it to doom Boy in the 1315 01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:55,159 sense that when that kicks in, there's just this feeling that washes over if 1316 01:24:55,159 --> 01:24:57,399 you're like, Okay, yeah, I'm happy to be here. This is 1317 01:24:57,439 --> 01:25:01,439 a good place. And I said that's or in chorus and just the production, 1318 01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:05,640 like you say, songwrise, that was sound good on the radio but 1319 01:25:06,199 --> 01:25:10,359 there's so much robustness to their take on shoegaze. Well, a lot of 1320 01:25:10,399 --> 01:25:15,319 the bands in this kind of sphere they end up with really tepid textures, 1321 01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:18,359 but there's a slight kind of I don't know if you'd say death tones or 1322 01:25:18,399 --> 01:25:24,439 maybe hum that kind of thing, smashing pumpkins, and it makes pretty laid 1323 01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:30,239 back sun Kiss songs sound like really invigorating and like you, I kind of 1324 01:25:30,279 --> 01:25:32,920 went through these three albums, not necessarily in this order. It was just 1325 01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:38,359 one of those things where it's like a cold drink or something in the middle 1326 01:25:38,399 --> 01:25:41,039 of some things which have had problems, we're just getting too A song like 1327 01:25:41,079 --> 01:25:45,039 that was like, I have no like critical assessment going on as I'm listening 1328 01:25:45,079 --> 01:25:48,079 to it. I'm just enjoying it for what it is. I mean, 1329 01:25:48,119 --> 01:25:51,960 I think, yeah, Sunshine has no open this album the I hit plan. 1330 01:25:53,039 --> 01:25:55,439 Are you agreeing with that riff? And I was like, oh, 1331 01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:57,920 yeah, here we go, Like I agree that that, that deaf tones 1332 01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:00,840 pads and the thing that's there, But it is that common, this really 1333 01:26:00,199 --> 01:26:08,520 huge, powerful rift giving way to those just such warm melodies that and when 1334 01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:12,720 you get the lift on the chorus, it's all the things I want from 1335 01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:17,039 this kind of strand of shoegaze emo sort of the modern bands doing it. 1336 01:26:17,119 --> 01:26:23,720 It just hits every every note I could possibly want, like the lot, 1337 01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:27,479 like the Precorse, they get a bit more like pace on it before get 1338 01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,840 a big lift. It's just it's so good. Yeah, I mean, 1339 01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:34,439 this sounds sounds really great. I think like it's a really high quality sounding 1340 01:26:35,039 --> 01:26:38,439 production job. Like it's not just ah, we'll set the mic ups down 1341 01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:41,039 in the middle of the room, like it sounds worked on, but it 1342 01:26:41,079 --> 01:26:44,600 actually compliments the songs in question, you know, shock Horror, you know, 1343 01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:47,399 like Still Love and Dark Sky. These songs properly feel like they're you 1344 01:26:47,399 --> 01:26:50,680 know, they're just like hitting those higher registers like scraping the fucking you know 1345 01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:54,640 that the sky as they're going. Even when he starts rapping in one of 1346 01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:59,760 those songs, like it sounds it's not him rapping, it's the guy from 1347 01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:02,800 one one of all like the nineties throwbacks you could possibly have on this record, 1348 01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:06,840 really I can. Again. I was on Spotify. There's like loads 1349 01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:10,199 of guests listed. I didn't even see that one on there, Like there's 1350 01:27:10,199 --> 01:27:13,199 a lot on here, but like you know, Still Love is a really 1351 01:27:13,239 --> 01:27:15,840 gorgeous song. And I can't stress how much as well, how I much 1352 01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:19,159 I appreciate this band. They do like the shimmering alt rock melody thing, 1353 01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:23,560 but they do so with a singer who like isn't afraid to lift his head 1354 01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:27,279 from his shoes, right, like he really lets the voice have some power, 1355 01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:30,119 just you know, sing from your chest. And a song like still 1356 01:27:30,199 --> 01:27:32,880 Love, which is slower or you know digitalself as well, benefits so much 1357 01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:34,720 from that. And it's good because a lot of this album is in that 1358 01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:39,439 kind of like day dreamy tempo, and it like you know, it lets 1359 01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:43,760 the melodies really stand out and not just turn to mush. And a lot 1360 01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:46,119 of these songs are you know, like like that and something Good and wax 1361 01:27:46,159 --> 01:27:50,119 Poet like All on a Run. They are very chilled out and and mid 1362 01:27:50,239 --> 01:27:54,119 paste. Those songs I mentioned from us as a black hole at the start, 1363 01:27:54,159 --> 01:27:58,279 they're like my favorite ones, the super upbeat bangers. This album barely 1364 01:27:58,359 --> 01:28:02,680 really goes to that territory fortunately, but like they do the kind of more 1365 01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:08,600 laid back thing in a way that still doesn't get lost in itself. I 1366 01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:11,560 think you can sort of define this as a bit more of a chilled out, 1367 01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:15,960 laid back, meditative record that sits in a similar realm to Earth as 1368 01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:19,039 a black Hole sort of tonally, but maybe I'll get to this later, 1369 01:28:19,119 --> 01:28:25,239 but the link slightly sours that in a sense. However, I love the 1370 01:28:25,279 --> 01:28:28,880 way Teenager is sound in that slower register. I think it really suits them, 1371 01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:33,079 and I think because their songs still have enough pep in them even at 1372 01:28:33,159 --> 01:28:36,279 a lower bpm like Digital Sel if you mentioned if that were played faster and 1373 01:28:36,359 --> 01:28:40,680 more of a Jerry Finn production job, that could be on something like Something 1374 01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:44,800 to Write Home About or a Bleed American in just in terms of pure songwriting 1375 01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:48,640 style and giving it that kind of languid, laid back quality, not only 1376 01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:53,479 does it make it a more interesting song in how it's sort of produced, 1377 01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:58,720 but it means that because it's got that more energized flare even at a lower 1378 01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:01,760 tempo, it doesn't it prevents this record from feeling like a slog I think, 1379 01:29:02,039 --> 01:29:05,960 yeah, no, I was just saying you you tapped on while I 1380 01:29:06,119 --> 01:29:10,880 don't. I love this quite as much as Earth as a black Hole because 1381 01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:15,760 it doesn't have those you all can like poppy like hit moment feet Yeah yeah, 1382 01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:19,880 but I do. This is This really sits in a in a vibe 1383 01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:24,239 I think, and I'm happy to just kind of let that wash over me. 1384 01:29:24,399 --> 01:29:28,520 That that run of songs in the middle from like Digital Self through to 1385 01:29:30,039 --> 01:29:33,760 Diorama, it's like Darama really goes into those dreamy elements. It's like that's 1386 01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:38,560 or loops, drum beat, the sort of isolated vocals. It's such a 1387 01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:41,439 serene moment on the record that I'm like, I don't mind if this is 1388 01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:45,840 maybe less kind of like explosive in the kind of the melodies as the last 1389 01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:49,039 album was. It's so warm and lush that I'm happy to see it. 1390 01:29:49,119 --> 01:29:53,760 I do like it does still have those moments of donuts like will you get 1391 01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:57,960 to like cold case and cigarette two steps ganging a bit darker almost, I 1392 01:29:58,079 --> 01:30:01,840 kind of dig that vibe where they they kind of explained that to Hertally almost 1393 01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:05,199 touched on the sort of the more eighties post punk stuff on some of the 1394 01:30:05,279 --> 01:30:10,359 guitar lines in the bass. It's a nice kind of moody name for them 1395 01:30:10,359 --> 01:30:14,399 to go down, which still mologically I think fits in exactly what they're doing. 1396 01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:15,880 Yeah, I could say like when when they bring in like a bit 1397 01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:19,159 more kind of sonic event in venture into that template, like there's that really 1398 01:30:19,199 --> 01:30:24,720 like lush Sacks part in sprawled, and then like on Cold Case, the 1399 01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:28,720 way the guitars created is really a kind of like contorted alien kind of whale 1400 01:30:29,279 --> 01:30:32,479 reminds me of like classic Muse a little bit. And then like yeah, 1401 01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:36,680 there's even almost like the grunge equivalent of a Gagira riff in cigarette two step, 1402 01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:42,920 like very you know good Realization's guitar solos across this, And when we're 1403 01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:45,399 talking about the guests as well, the most common effect is to have like 1404 01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:48,720 a kind of nice duet with someone on one of these like slow dreamy songs. 1405 01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:51,199 When I was looking down the list of names and the names who aren't 1406 01:30:51,199 --> 01:30:54,960 really in my usual sphere, I suddenly did a double take when I saw 1407 01:30:55,039 --> 01:30:59,399 Fear before the March of Flames. That's a very jarring shift and the rest 1408 01:30:59,399 --> 01:31:00,960 of it. And I wasn't if the song was going to go like all 1409 01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,840 Math Corps suddenly, but it does have that like you know, kind of 1410 01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:08,720 oddball kind of fuzz skip part in the bridge almost like there are like ways 1411 01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:15,640 they kind of mess with how the songs kind of you know progress and kind 1412 01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:17,359 of where they go that doesn't just feel like kind of a wrint to repeat 1413 01:31:17,399 --> 01:31:23,880 for everyone. Yeah, for sure. I mean that is for me one 1414 01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:27,199 of the reasons why this record works so well in a way that a lot 1415 01:31:27,239 --> 01:31:30,720 of the emo shoegaze bands kind of fall down on Earth as a black Hole 1416 01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:32,720 came out and people were recommending it to me, saying, Oh, it's 1417 01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:36,359 a great sort of emo shoegazing. I've tripped over about thirty of those records 1418 01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:40,560 like today like that a kind of a diamond dozen't. But the thing that 1419 01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:44,600 Teenage Wrist I think really well is, like you say, throwing in those 1420 01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:50,359 kind of flourishes of new ideas, playing with different textures, and it's just 1421 01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:54,319 been more fun to listen to than a lot of that stuff Like this is. 1422 01:31:54,399 --> 01:31:57,199 Like I said, it's a more laid back record overall, but there's 1423 01:31:57,239 --> 01:32:00,880 still that kind of pep and fizz that so many of their peers lack. 1424 01:32:01,119 --> 01:32:03,840 Like this record is almost like when I was listening to I was, I 1425 01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:08,840 feel like I'm playing Skate two late at night all alone. It's like a 1426 01:32:09,039 --> 01:32:15,119 late night sunshine record and just as something to pitch to someone that's so much 1427 01:32:15,159 --> 01:32:19,760 more interesting than just oh it's another sort of shoegaze pop pop rock, emo 1428 01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:25,760 alternative rock record. And yeah, and like you said, just a cigarette 1429 01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:28,479 two step being one of the best songs on it, humbug like loads of 1430 01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:32,399 smashing pumpkins in that song and something good like borders on the schmaltzy for me, 1431 01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:35,680 But it's at a point of the record where I'm enjoying it so much 1432 01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:40,239 that I'm willing to go along with it. And again it's I'm not necessarily 1433 01:32:40,319 --> 01:32:45,359 super forgiving about this style of music generally speaking, as so you mentioned that 1434 01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:48,199 kind of forbet to what was min Sumoth for the Age of the Awful we 1435 01:32:48,279 --> 01:32:51,720 talked about, you know, the amount of emo bands going shoe gays that 1436 01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:55,880 are just there's so many of them that and they lacked any kind of real 1437 01:32:56,520 --> 01:33:00,359 personality or anything to make the distinct. I think teenagers totally sidest where there 1438 01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:02,680 is still character to this. Even again, if this is a bit more 1439 01:33:03,479 --> 01:33:09,000 relaxed as an album, it's not faceless and kind of like this could be 1440 01:33:09,079 --> 01:33:13,159 any number of Title Fight doing their shoe gaye album or any of those bands. 1441 01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:16,399 Like I think there's a real distinct personality in the vocal melodies in the 1442 01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:21,760 riffing, and then the kind of and just the kind of felisters to everyone 1443 01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:26,640 and then just take a swing at something that is a bit out there, 1444 01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:29,600 especially when you get to like the more the last few tracks where they do 1445 01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:32,720 they really kind of sprawl out and try and be a little bit more experimental. 1446 01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:36,680 There's there's a fearless as I think scenageers. That means they're not just 1447 01:33:38,039 --> 01:33:43,039 like for a two piece, they are so willing to like trald and things 1448 01:33:43,079 --> 01:33:45,720 and clink having a nineties rap rock verse on there. Like the songs, 1449 01:33:46,039 --> 01:33:50,119 it's totally just like, yeah, well we'll try that and and then on 1450 01:33:50,159 --> 01:33:53,720 the next one we might you know, do something totally different. And that's 1451 01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:57,439 one of the things I do really like about them. Yeah, I think 1452 01:33:57,479 --> 01:34:01,359 it's a slower, lesser media one could maybe say, more monotonous album then 1453 01:34:01,399 --> 01:34:03,760 than the last one, but it's still of a high quality. You can 1454 01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:06,319 still pick them out of a lineup, and in terms of this kind of 1455 01:34:06,399 --> 01:34:09,239 music, it's still one of the better things out there this year, So 1456 01:34:09,359 --> 01:34:12,920 like Teenagers continue to be a real standout for this kind of alternative rock. 1457 01:34:14,199 --> 01:34:18,119 Skindred smile. In the end, Skindred did not get their number one album 1458 01:34:18,119 --> 01:34:20,720 that we were hoping for with this, condulesis to them. But we did 1459 01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:24,279 say when this came out a couple of weeks ago that it was suddenly felt 1460 01:34:24,319 --> 01:34:27,560 that there was a major uptick in the amount of eyes on Skindred and kind 1461 01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:30,760 of conversation around them. With a new album. They got their first ever 1462 01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:32,119 Karrang cover, which is sort of crazy for how long they have been like 1463 01:34:32,159 --> 01:34:38,000 a staple part of the UK scene, but it comes after half a decade 1464 01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:41,920 absence creatively, that is like unprecedented for Skindren. Like we're talking even longer 1465 01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:45,439 ago than Benji's in itsplicable lockdown covers album, which he was kind of singing 1466 01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:49,359 about Christmas in August. But Big Things in twenty eighteen is the last time 1467 01:34:49,359 --> 01:34:53,439 we had a Skindred album prior to which they things just be always around the 1468 01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:57,960 corner with one all the time in a time when Skindred music has been less 1469 01:34:58,079 --> 01:35:01,880 kind of omnipresent. How do you, I guess looking back on Skindred's records 1470 01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:06,720 prior to this, we're talking Skindred the in studio creative band, because an 1471 01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:11,600 awful lot of focus is but a Skindred outside of that. I mean, 1472 01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:14,680 I don't think there's a bad Skindred record. I think they kind of, 1473 01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:17,000 you know, the Skindred records. They'll come along, they'll be a couple 1474 01:35:17,039 --> 01:35:20,000 of really fun singles and the rest of it will be totally fine, and 1475 01:35:20,079 --> 01:35:24,960 then on to the next one, and I'm fine. I've always been fine 1476 01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:28,880 with that as kind of like Skindred's creative output. Yeah, I think it's 1477 01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:31,239 one of those things where, like you say, they're so overshadowed with how 1478 01:35:31,279 --> 01:35:34,960 they are as a live band, but I think it's hard to ignore the 1479 01:35:35,079 --> 01:35:39,000 studio output, even when you're compliments into a live band, because yes, 1480 01:35:39,079 --> 01:35:43,439 they play the same songs over and over again, but those songs are great. 1481 01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:45,800 I don't think it's just a matter of yeah, they're great live, 1482 01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:48,840 but naf on the record. Not that I'm defending them from that accusation here, 1483 01:35:49,119 --> 01:35:51,720 but I actually went back to a couple of their records in the run 1484 01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:56,199 up to this just to see what I thought, kind of going back to 1485 01:35:56,199 --> 01:36:01,399 because it's been a long time since I've revisited the catalog, and it's funny 1486 01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:03,880 that they don't get talked about as a great studio man, because they've got 1487 01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:09,680 like three or four really great albums, and that's something that like, ordinarily 1488 01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:14,880 for a band that would be considered more than enough because there's such a live 1489 01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:18,079 institution. I do think they get overlooked. Like Babylon and Roots Rock Ryot 1490 01:36:18,119 --> 01:36:20,720 in particular, a lot of people say, you'd include Union Black. I 1491 01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:25,800 would include Union Black in that. Yeah, that'd be the way, you 1492 01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:28,880 know, and I would too, And yes, the hits are the hits. 1493 01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:30,479 And I think because they tend to play the same set list most times 1494 01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:32,600 you see them, it's easy to forget what else there is on there. 1495 01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:38,000 But what else there is on those records is loads of great deep cuts. 1496 01:36:38,159 --> 01:36:42,920 So I think this thing of it's generally skin Dred. I just put a 1497 01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:46,960 record out, come out to it. I think they're better than that personally 1498 01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:50,359 speaking, that's fair. I also think, you know, Union Black is 1499 01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:54,520 the latest of the albums that we just mentioned there, right, and that's 1500 01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:57,319 that's twenty for me, is the one in the discography that really stands out 1501 01:36:57,319 --> 01:37:00,399 as having a particular replay value. You know, in terms of my time 1502 01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:02,119 who were listening to Skindred albums Asther be released, Truth be tell, I 1503 01:37:02,239 --> 01:37:05,119 never get a huge load of kind of airplay out with them. They're just 1504 01:37:05,239 --> 01:37:10,359 they're sort of mixed of like big polished bangers mixed with like quirky melodic songs. 1505 01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:13,159 Is it really destined to be my mix? And I think they historically 1506 01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:16,800 for the last several records having more of like crack out a couple of singles 1507 01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:21,399 for the live set band more than producing truly great albums in the last fifteen 1508 01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:25,760 years or so. I think Big Things from twenty eighteen was like an odd 1509 01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:28,680 album from them because it was like, you know, again, there was 1510 01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:32,039 a string of quick records after Union Black that delivered more than that like traditional 1511 01:37:32,079 --> 01:37:35,399 Skindred ideal and Big Things. You know, it does have a couple of 1512 01:37:35,399 --> 01:37:38,720 those singles on it, like you know, that's my jam, that's a 1513 01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:42,239 pure like only Skindred are gonna do that song thing title track the same, 1514 01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:46,640 But then again there was like some kind of odd like pivots going there in 1515 01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:49,920 terms of its kind of more like you know, planet rock the type feel 1516 01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:53,880 for them, as opposed to maybe where the attraditional idea, whether you think 1517 01:37:53,880 --> 01:38:00,640 Skindred coming from this album goes so hard out of the gates, I'd kind 1518 01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:03,199 of forgotten that Skindred were capable of that, like the weight of the riffing 1519 01:38:03,239 --> 01:38:06,119 and how much this record slaps you around your head when you put it on, 1520 01:38:08,159 --> 01:38:11,680 was like, fuck, I'd forgotten that. You know, our religion 1521 01:38:12,039 --> 01:38:16,760 is like furious by Skindred standards. Yeah, Like it's like genuine like that 1522 01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:20,600 down tune cool as it's so gutsy and Benji is like exploring all of the 1523 01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:25,199 most kind of like guttural harsh ends of his kind of rag of voice, 1524 01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:29,640 like really one off stuff, like the way they use those kind of reggae 1525 01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:32,000 inflections to make things kind of harsh and disarming with you know, the Dreader 1526 01:38:32,039 --> 01:38:34,680 than Dread Dread Dread, like it just it's catchy, but it's weird and 1527 01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:39,600 it's kind of inventive and it's like no one else does that and then give 1528 01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:45,399 me that boom is like the absolute no nonsense skin Dred banger, and that 1529 01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:47,439 is the equal about of you know, about anything they've done in that guy 1530 01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:49,840 is and you're getting the last however many years like that is like the skin 1531 01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:54,479 Dred ideal right there, you know, the skipping kind of pumping riff that 1532 01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:56,960 feels like you've got a massive boom box next to your head, like it's 1533 01:38:57,000 --> 01:39:00,199 not in eighty eight or something. The disco beats slamming it at. It's 1534 01:39:00,279 --> 01:39:02,960 hard to deny Skindred when they are on their absolute a game like that, 1535 01:39:03,039 --> 01:39:06,399 Like that's why they want so many people over the years. Yeah, totally, 1536 01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:09,159 I think. I mean, I think this album comes out the gates 1537 01:39:09,479 --> 01:39:12,560 really strong with some of them, Like I think our just gropen give me 1538 01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:15,439 that boom is it is as classical Skindred bangery as you want. For the 1539 01:39:15,479 --> 01:39:18,439 reason said, I mean, it's got like you've got like the whole turnaround 1540 01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:23,000 stupid like vocal hook for the pre foremast and then just just give me that 1541 01:39:23,159 --> 01:39:26,520 boom boom bo, like yeah, of course you're gonna want to hear that 1542 01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:30,119 and a field to tens of thousands of moshes that might as well be in 1543 01:39:30,159 --> 01:39:35,680 Newport Helicopter song, right, Yeah, it's so so like it feels timeless 1544 01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:40,000 already and just in terms of a Skindred song, And I think step Phases 1545 01:39:40,079 --> 01:39:45,800 has the same the same quality. Yeah, like they're so they're so good 1546 01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:49,760 at doing that sort of thing and it's gonna just like there and there isn't 1547 01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:53,800 anyone who's doing it like Skindred like, for as much as we all kind 1548 01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:55,640 of say, oh, you know, Skindred come up, they do the 1549 01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:58,479 same thing every time. I'm like, how many you know, big reggae 1550 01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:00,920 metal bands are, they're actually and there's still a one of a kind band 1551 01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:04,079 in that sort of way. Like obviously you could, if you want to 1552 01:40:04,119 --> 01:40:06,760 write down, you can say it's to kind of spin off from new metal 1553 01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:11,359 in a way. But I think it's seem to have such a unique sound 1554 01:40:11,399 --> 01:40:14,880 to them that I'm fine with them just doing the skinsid thing every time they 1555 01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:17,600 come along and just writing these massive bangers that I want to jump up and 1556 01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:23,439 down to. Yeah, I think like the thing listen, they come back 1557 01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:25,680 and they do the same thing every time. I think the real test for 1558 01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:29,359 that is that when they do deliver a song if you go, I want 1559 01:40:29,399 --> 01:40:34,000 that in the setlist that's classic, high quality insert band here, like ACDC, 1560 01:40:34,199 --> 01:40:36,000 the first one who have rock and roll tray. You're not going, 1561 01:40:36,359 --> 01:40:39,479 oh, you know, it's pretty good, You're like, yep, stick 1562 01:40:39,560 --> 01:40:43,319 down the setlist perfect exactly. And this record, especially on the follow up 1563 01:40:43,359 --> 01:40:45,359 of Big Things, which I thought was probably the most lacking collection of songs 1564 01:40:45,359 --> 01:40:48,359 of that caliber they've put out so far, and funnily enough, when it 1565 01:40:48,399 --> 01:40:51,800 was announced it was signed to Earache, my expectations went even low because I 1566 01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:55,640 thought, all right, they've gone to the home of rivals suns because they're 1567 01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:57,960 not going there to make a fucking grindcore record, you know what I mean. 1568 01:40:58,359 --> 01:41:00,520 So I kind of thought, oh, they're they're moving into they're moving 1569 01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:05,159 to Planet Rock, They're getting the next shuttle there, and then for the 1570 01:41:05,239 --> 01:41:09,640 record to come swinging out the traps the way it does, like give me 1571 01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:12,640 that boom set phases and then you're not a life that's free. I'm not 1572 01:41:12,760 --> 01:41:15,640 super heavy, but the drum and bass quality to it, like it's more 1573 01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:21,000 boom sound than it is download but still a super aggressive and loads of forward 1574 01:41:21,079 --> 01:41:25,720 motion. And it's something that i'd kind of I thought maybe was out of 1575 01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:30,159 Skindred's wheelhouse now and it's so refreshing to hear that after five years away. 1576 01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:34,479 I just think again, it's probably you know, in that opening run better 1577 01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:38,520 than anything they've done since well and they kill the power or something like we're 1578 01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:40,960 talking like the last decade of Skindred stuff. It's some of the very top 1579 01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:44,920 again like Unstoppable to Clowes really brings it back to that kind of level of 1580 01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:47,560 aggression as well. The thing I find hilarious and quite charming about this album 1581 01:41:48,159 --> 01:41:53,039 is how quickly after starting as like the heaviest Skindred stuff in years, this 1582 01:41:53,199 --> 01:41:57,960 turns as like a back garden, chill out barbecue record, Like as soon 1583 01:41:58,039 --> 01:42:00,680 as track four starts with Benji in his like cleaner register going big mountains, 1584 01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:03,840 like, it's such like a hard turn and there's still a banger right like 1585 01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:06,520 that's got that again, that kind of like the sort of semi breakbeat that 1586 01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:11,600 you're talking about going along, but it really doesn't take long for you to 1587 01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:14,920 be in the vibes that literally only Skindred of any bands we cover on this 1588 01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:20,119 podcast bring which is sunshine reggae music, And I think it's even more distinct 1589 01:42:20,159 --> 01:42:24,680 than that because like the softer stuff on this album, obviously the reggae influence 1590 01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:29,920 everything is very authentic, but it also feels specifically like reggae influence kind of 1591 01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:32,600 translated through the UK, because so many of the tracks on this are like 1592 01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:38,880 so unbelievably UK culture, like the garage beats in like State of the Union 1593 01:42:39,640 --> 01:42:44,239 ridiculous. The main hook in if I could feel like so of the world 1594 01:42:44,279 --> 01:42:48,520 of like nineties UK soul hits even with the bridge where Benji is just doing 1595 01:42:48,560 --> 01:42:50,439 the full rag I should, I would, I could, and like you 1596 01:42:50,479 --> 01:42:54,520 know, a whoop whoop that actually made me laugh, but like it's so 1597 01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:58,239 in that realm. The intro of Mama is like one of the most insane 1598 01:42:58,399 --> 01:43:05,439 Benji random aside, but like it goes so to that realm of like l 1599 01:43:05,479 --> 01:43:10,680 O v E smile please legitimately sounds like Lily Allen could have recorded it in 1600 01:43:10,720 --> 01:43:15,039 the mid two thousands, Like it is wild how nostalgic that beat is, 1601 01:43:15,279 --> 01:43:18,720 like the trumpet programs and ship. It's like you are not getting that translation 1602 01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:21,039 of that feel like that in any other part of the world. And it 1603 01:43:21,159 --> 01:43:25,520 is naff, but it makes me smile. I mean, I like the 1604 01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:30,680 skins and stuff like l OV disappointed love. That reminds me of stuff like 1605 01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:32,920 the skins and that kind of scar dub kind of like all that sort of 1606 01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:38,039 stuff, And I'm totally fun And you're right, it's so Allen, Lily 1607 01:43:38,159 --> 01:43:41,680 Allen person on LLOV You're like that is spot on and what it's something, 1608 01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:45,199 but there is a sincerity when skin Dred do it I'm like, like, 1609 01:43:45,319 --> 01:43:47,960 I'm fine that when when Benji, when Benji singing love is what people want, 1610 01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:51,039 loves what they need, Like yeah, like we'll just go of it 1611 01:43:51,119 --> 01:43:57,880 again. It's just really fun, uplifting, bright, catchy, cheesy. 1612 01:43:58,079 --> 01:44:01,520 Yeah, but I like no one else is again, no one else is 1613 01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:04,119 really doing it like it's just it's it's such a funny moment of that. 1614 01:44:04,159 --> 01:44:08,319 When this album started, we were smassing shit up and they're like addicted as 1615 01:44:08,359 --> 01:44:11,199 well. It has that like thumping percussion and trumpet loop where I was boardline 1616 01:44:11,199 --> 01:44:14,279 expecting Lady Sovereign to show up for a guest verse or something like. And 1617 01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:15,880 I've realized that when you say it's kind of a you know, it's a 1618 01:44:15,880 --> 01:44:18,319 shoot off of new metal and there about aren't band doing it or whatever. 1619 01:44:18,720 --> 01:44:23,840 I think Americans who are aware of Skindred, their reference points for a metal 1620 01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:27,479 band doing these sort of things are like Ill Nino or Pod, but the 1621 01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:30,760 places they come from are so distinct and so different. Like this appointed Love 1622 01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:33,239 is literally just goes down by the Specials. If you put a rock chorus 1623 01:44:33,279 --> 01:44:39,319 in it. Literally, yeah, I'm totally fine with that. As a 1624 01:44:39,399 --> 01:44:42,840 sequenced record. It's it's a funny because Skindred have done this kind of like 1625 01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:47,560 you say chilled out summer barbecue vibe before, but just front loading it like 1626 01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:51,159 that. It's like a car chase and then the finish line is a village 1627 01:44:51,199 --> 01:44:56,560 fate. It's suddenly it's all chilling like I mean, I'll be honest, 1628 01:44:56,600 --> 01:45:02,399 there are a couple of points like LV love Please and State of the Union. 1629 01:45:03,119 --> 01:45:05,720 I when you say, Lily Allen, I'm thinking close to something like 1630 01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:14,000 Rizzle Kicks, to be honest, like when there were a couple of moments 1631 01:45:14,119 --> 01:45:17,000 I was going it was slightly getting into advert, slightly into as the advert 1632 01:45:17,119 --> 01:45:21,800 territory here boys. But well it's the thing where my standards for Skindren maybe 1633 01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:25,479 you'd say they've slipped or something, but I don't have the standard of I 1634 01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:29,159 have to like every single song on the skin Dron record and they're not offensive 1635 01:45:29,399 --> 01:45:31,239 or annoying or distressing in anyway. It's just like, oh, I just 1636 01:45:31,439 --> 01:45:33,199 I'll just chill out for a bit. I don't I don't need to flip 1637 01:45:33,239 --> 01:45:36,600 a table every song. Yeah, I think I think this is the album 1638 01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:43,600 that has like in a long time. I think it best demonstrates and makes 1639 01:45:43,640 --> 01:45:46,239 clear what kind of spirit Skinder are actually trying to evoke with their music, 1640 01:45:46,239 --> 01:45:49,439 because when you're trying to get into the core of like what these guys you 1641 01:45:49,520 --> 01:45:53,880 know, are doing making this really unique music that we kind of take for 1642 01:45:53,880 --> 01:45:57,960 granted, it's a very authentic love of you know, culture and blurring lines. 1643 01:45:58,399 --> 01:46:01,119 And I find this album again, even when it does sound like an 1644 01:46:01,159 --> 01:46:04,800 ASDA advert, which it legitimately does at various points, I find it kind 1645 01:46:04,840 --> 01:46:09,399 of charming in its eclecticism, and like, you know, when they're not 1646 01:46:09,560 --> 01:46:11,239 on it, I can roll my eyes on a little bit. But I 1647 01:46:11,279 --> 01:46:14,279 think this is the best skin Dred happen quite a long time. Yeah, 1648 01:46:14,319 --> 01:46:16,239 I would agree. I mean it follows a similar patter to a lot of 1649 01:46:16,279 --> 01:46:19,520 Skindred albums, but I just think the songs are of a higher quality, 1650 01:46:20,680 --> 01:46:24,800 you know, I think in terms of song power. When I think of 1651 01:46:25,279 --> 01:46:27,640 songs I want to hear in this set, I'd say there's probably two on 1652 01:46:27,720 --> 01:46:30,319 the last record and some which I actively didn't want to hear in the set. 1653 01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:33,239 Yeah, in this case, there's someone really looking forward to seeing and 1654 01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:38,079 inevitably will see them at about a dozen festivals in the next three years. 1655 01:46:38,600 --> 01:46:42,000 But I'm looking forward to seeing them and the ones that I'm less keen on, 1656 01:46:42,520 --> 01:46:44,920 I'd be happy to see them too, because there's no songs on here 1657 01:46:44,920 --> 01:46:47,760 that I really don't like. And it has been a little while since I 1658 01:46:47,960 --> 01:46:51,880 say that about a Skindred record. Yeah, and you know that's not Mechel 1659 01:46:51,880 --> 01:46:56,239 who used to do our theme song, so you know, respect staying in 1660 01:46:56,359 --> 01:46:58,520 UK out all, We're going to move here to a band who have really 1661 01:46:58,520 --> 01:47:00,199 been making their name in the last couple of years and I releasing their sophomore 1662 01:47:00,239 --> 01:47:05,520 album here Earn and a Feast on Sorrow had some kind of good will going 1663 01:47:05,560 --> 01:47:09,319 to the start of their career because of the some of their pasts in some 1664 01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:13,079 quite well loved but underrated bands over here, like Hang the Bastard. But 1665 01:47:13,199 --> 01:47:15,560 then their debut I Am in twenty twenty one, SuPAR and Spirit became one 1666 01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:19,479 of the most spoken about heavy debuts of the current decade. How big were 1667 01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:23,159 you guys on sep and Spirit? And I guess what hopes did you have 1668 01:47:23,279 --> 01:47:29,199 going forward? Because that record got quite a bit of throthy reaction. Yeah, 1669 01:47:29,199 --> 01:47:32,800 I really liked it. I was We're all pretty positive when it was 1670 01:47:33,159 --> 01:47:36,000 I mean an alk on the on the review. We were all into it, 1671 01:47:36,239 --> 01:47:41,560 you know, just big riffy metal. I'm down for that, and 1672 01:47:41,960 --> 01:47:44,640 initially was kind of like I'd take more of that, you know, just 1673 01:47:45,359 --> 01:47:49,760 heavy, kind of just powerful, Masterlin influenced, Cageia influenced, kind of 1674 01:47:49,880 --> 01:47:55,000 UK metal, totally called that. I feel like a bit of an odd 1675 01:47:55,039 --> 01:47:59,720 doc when it comes to Earn because everyone I know and trust loves them and 1676 01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:03,439 I should love them based on what they are, and I've never quite got 1677 01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:08,640 it. Like the last album I thought was decent, I wasn't entirely grabbed 1678 01:48:08,760 --> 01:48:11,640 by it, and then I saw them a Damnation and I thought that was 1679 01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:17,479 good too, but it didn't blow me away. And with the serpent of 1680 01:48:17,479 --> 01:48:19,960 the Spirit, I found it to be quite a static record in that it 1681 01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:25,239 has big riffs and the performances were all dependably really good, but it kind 1682 01:48:25,239 --> 01:48:29,319 of lacked that white hot anything can Happen quality that I think Mastered On and 1683 01:48:29,720 --> 01:48:33,359 good Year are certainly are able to use to their advantage. Like it's an 1684 01:48:33,399 --> 01:48:36,520 odd compassive, but it's a similar issue I've had with a couple of TRIVIUMNS 1685 01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:41,920 records, where it's a flurry of riffs and there's nothing I could there's no 1686 01:48:41,960 --> 01:48:45,760 ways to poker hole in terms of something bad about it, but that sort 1687 01:48:45,760 --> 01:48:48,399 of white knuckle there in the moment element, which I think takes these sort 1688 01:48:48,399 --> 01:48:53,119 of things to the next level. They didn't quite have it on Serpent and 1689 01:48:53,159 --> 01:48:55,760 the Spirit, which might I don't know if there's something else, but for 1690 01:48:55,840 --> 01:48:59,840 me a band that I feel like I should love, i've not met them 1691 01:49:00,479 --> 01:49:02,159 there. Yeah, yeah, I mean I sort of see what you're getting 1692 01:49:02,159 --> 01:49:04,760 at. And I to an extent I agree, because I liked Serpent Spirit 1693 01:49:05,079 --> 01:49:08,399 and I think the best couple of songs when it really do hold up as 1694 01:49:08,439 --> 01:49:11,880 like quality pieces of metal. But I found the overall direction a little hard 1695 01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:15,319 to gauge because it was such a grab bag of like different types of song 1696 01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:18,840 and different kind of fields of metal that it really felt like an obvious debut 1697 01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:21,439 to me in the band, like trying to name check as many of their 1698 01:49:21,439 --> 01:49:26,840 influences as possible. I think the idea there were lots of moments of like, 1699 01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:28,840 oh this is exciting, Oh that's a cool risk all or whatever, 1700 01:49:29,000 --> 01:49:31,520 but it didn't necessarily add up into a greater hole for me. This record, 1701 01:49:31,560 --> 01:49:34,880 their second one. They went over and recorded it with Dirty Plantier speaking 1702 01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:40,880 of him, and I think this album is more unified, and whether that 1703 01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:44,119 is a result of the content of the album driving it in a kind of 1704 01:49:44,159 --> 01:49:47,640 particular direction emotionally, because there's a lot being said about this album's kind of 1705 01:49:48,039 --> 01:49:53,600 lyrical focus on themes around you know, dementia and kind of the slow lots 1706 01:49:53,640 --> 01:49:56,000 of loved ones and that kind of thing, and that very much hangs over 1707 01:49:56,039 --> 01:49:59,840 a lot of this record, or whether it is the result of like work 1708 01:50:00,119 --> 01:50:04,399 with someone as experienced and as excellent as songcraft within very heavy music as Joda 1709 01:50:04,439 --> 01:50:09,159 Plantier. But this album, I think it makes the move from some of 1710 01:50:09,319 --> 01:50:13,600 lots of different influences to earn really like planting a flag and saying, yeah, 1711 01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:17,039 this is us. Yeah, I think this is a much more focused 1712 01:50:17,119 --> 01:50:24,359 recording. It does in on that much more emotionally raw, intense, just 1713 01:50:24,479 --> 01:50:30,079 kind of blasts of powerful, crushing metal. But I think Joe's vocaltivity is 1714 01:50:30,199 --> 01:50:34,079 so raw on this where is that like it's not like a metal shouts grimm. 1715 01:50:34,079 --> 01:50:39,720 It's just him kind of barking and just wrenching his voice out as much 1716 01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:42,399 as you can to get as much emotion from it, and that gives it. 1717 01:50:42,439 --> 01:50:45,119 I think a more unified direction it's pulling in, and I think that 1718 01:50:45,399 --> 01:50:50,720 helps it a lot stand out. I think on this record, earn have 1719 01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:55,680 a lot more identity than they did the last time around, and I think 1720 01:50:55,720 --> 01:50:59,399 a massive part of that is Joe, because as much as there are clearly 1721 01:50:59,439 --> 01:51:01,399 a riff so trick band like the guys in there, they love her if 1722 01:51:02,479 --> 01:51:08,039 him and his vocal performance is comfortably the star of the show because his screeches, 1723 01:51:08,079 --> 01:51:13,399 they just bring this like uneasiness that make an already by their second record, 1724 01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:15,520 a much more exciting band to listen to than I think they were the 1725 01:51:15,560 --> 01:51:19,199 first time around. And I still have some issues with the static quality of 1726 01:51:19,279 --> 01:51:25,239 the performances, but having Joe, at least in his vocal performance, be 1727 01:51:25,359 --> 01:51:31,279 willing to go to those white knuckle extremes, it massively ups the sort of 1728 01:51:31,399 --> 01:51:34,720 dynamic range of the band, and I think that's something that they were lacking 1729 01:51:34,840 --> 01:51:38,560 the first time, so I'm really pleased for them to have made that change 1730 01:51:38,640 --> 01:51:43,119 this time around. Yeah, and I do think in just the musical front 1731 01:51:43,159 --> 01:51:47,279 as well, it's still difficult to put in a box like the Natural Thought 1732 01:51:47,399 --> 01:51:51,359 is kind of progressive heavy bands that we have in the UK like Conjurer or 1733 01:51:51,399 --> 01:51:55,560 you know Tuscar, but Erne is so much more traditionally metal than that, 1734 01:51:55,760 --> 01:51:59,640 right, with like a really heavy emphasis on like thrash ripping and heavy metal 1735 01:51:59,720 --> 01:52:01,960 melods. And it's something that I think with a more coherent direction of the 1736 01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:04,840 album, I can appreciate about them even more on this record than I did 1737 01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:08,039 the last one, because there is there is this band that feels like so 1738 01:52:09,079 --> 01:52:12,920 classic yet so contemporary. It feels like something they won't age very much, 1739 01:52:13,079 --> 01:52:15,680 like when a lot of what is popular at the moment will and the flood 1740 01:52:15,720 --> 01:52:18,359 came rushing in. I find to be such a dramatic opener, like from 1741 01:52:18,399 --> 01:52:20,560 that opening, you know, where do their memories go? Which you know, 1742 01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:25,159 with the backdrop of the themes of the kind of again the loss of 1743 01:52:25,199 --> 01:52:28,079 loved ones and everything if it's like a very loaded kind of question that they 1744 01:52:28,119 --> 01:52:30,239 bring back at the end of the record as well. But like this brilliant 1745 01:52:30,279 --> 01:52:32,359 wall of thrash metal guitars comes in at that point and again like I saw 1746 01:52:32,439 --> 01:52:35,800 this band at Bloodstock the weekend this album came out, and like that riff 1747 01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:40,279 and that tempo really hits that spot live and I think the way they take 1748 01:52:40,319 --> 01:52:45,359 these thrash riffs but make these like quite labyrinth fine songs out of them. 1749 01:52:45,680 --> 01:52:48,159 Weirdly, I was reminded about like some quite obscure thrash records from kind of 1750 01:52:48,199 --> 01:52:51,840 the back end of its original era, like the later Dark Angel records, 1751 01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:56,760 where they do like these really odd long structures or like Coroner for that kind 1752 01:52:56,800 --> 01:53:00,800 of like technicality, And it's cool hearing the spirit of that, like ambitious 1753 01:53:00,840 --> 01:53:04,239 for their time underground metal records channel through the lens of like you know, 1754 01:53:04,279 --> 01:53:11,079 they're kind of post mastered on and Gajira World. Yeah. I think one 1755 01:53:11,079 --> 01:53:14,720 of the things I struggle with The Serpent and the Spirit was that there were 1756 01:53:14,800 --> 01:53:16,520 loads of ideas in each song, but it was kind of hard to pick 1757 01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:19,720 out the songs individually because of that, each song felt like it had to 1758 01:53:19,800 --> 01:53:24,279 have everything in it. And one thing that I think they've improved on this 1759 01:53:24,439 --> 01:53:27,479 time, and I think you touch on it when you make that Dark Angel 1760 01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:30,359 comparison, is they're able to go this is the song that does this job, 1761 01:53:30,520 --> 01:53:34,199 this is the song that does this and just as an emotional journey injecting 1762 01:53:34,279 --> 01:53:41,720 them with each song certainly has its flourishes which deviate from the predictable pattern. 1763 01:53:41,760 --> 01:53:44,199 You expect a song that's meant to you, This one's meant to make you 1764 01:53:44,279 --> 01:53:45,760 sad, this one's meant to be really heavy, or what have you. 1765 01:53:46,520 --> 01:53:50,880 They certainly veer off the path, but I think it makes a lot more 1766 01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:55,760 of an engaging listen. And like you say, the reference is not being 1767 01:53:55,880 --> 01:53:58,680 so direct as just oh, here's a Metallica riff. It's like, oh, 1768 01:53:58,720 --> 01:54:00,359 you actually have to see how where this may have come from. That 1769 01:54:00,520 --> 01:54:05,880 alone means I'm sort of less distracted by what's going on and I'm actually sort 1770 01:54:05,880 --> 01:54:09,159 of there in the moment with it. Yeah, when they take that to 1771 01:54:09,239 --> 01:54:12,520 a really kind of creeping almost like cool of Catulu plays on to Die Twice 1772 01:54:13,079 --> 01:54:15,039 does raise the cares of it. I think the guitarists, like considering they 1773 01:54:15,039 --> 01:54:17,920 are a three piece, all three members, deserve a great deal of praise 1774 01:54:17,960 --> 01:54:20,680 for their musicality, particularly on the guitar play in front. There's a lot 1775 01:54:20,720 --> 01:54:25,119 weer just like that's that's legit, like super hard riffing, but just as 1776 01:54:25,199 --> 01:54:29,199 much like beautiful lead guitar playing that pairs that quite well with an next bandman 1777 01:54:29,279 --> 01:54:30,880 reviewing, but also like you know, kind of seamlessly linked in together and 1778 01:54:30,960 --> 01:54:33,600 something like the closing track, and then you have again. Joe's vocals on 1779 01:54:33,640 --> 01:54:39,039 this album are like a lot more twisted and tortured than I remember them being, 1780 01:54:39,199 --> 01:54:42,640 and you know, the flood came rushing again goes these really like frenzied 1781 01:54:42,720 --> 01:54:45,560 howling places, like he's clawing at his face, and then he's really pushing 1782 01:54:45,640 --> 01:54:49,680 himself to these really kind of twisted, demonic gut roles in a stumble of 1783 01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:54,199 words, and the title track which also has this kind of really dejected like 1784 01:54:54,399 --> 01:54:58,960 chorus, and I think he really elevates this from like a quite tasteful, 1785 01:54:59,359 --> 01:55:04,479 delicately put together a kind of progressive thrash metal record to a real purging of 1786 01:55:04,600 --> 01:55:10,039 sorts, because I think you hear a lot about records with like real emotion 1787 01:55:10,279 --> 01:55:15,159 coming out of metal, particularly more modern kind of immaculately produced end, and 1788 01:55:15,439 --> 01:55:17,640 I just don't think that comes out in the performances and the recording. But 1789 01:55:17,720 --> 01:55:21,800 on this it has that like key element, and I think it can where 1790 01:55:21,800 --> 01:55:27,239 it can be a very well put together record that isn't off putting for most 1791 01:55:27,319 --> 01:55:30,319 people to come in, you know, in terms of it's like you know, 1792 01:55:30,319 --> 01:55:33,159 a particularly ugliness or like a twisted, uncomfortable state of mind or anything. 1793 01:55:33,520 --> 01:55:36,479 But it really is recognizably human and it has at least some sounds in 1794 01:55:36,520 --> 01:55:41,560 there that are clearly, you know, an evocation coming back at you of 1795 01:55:41,640 --> 01:55:46,000 like a great level of kind of distress and torment. I mean, here 1796 01:55:46,079 --> 01:55:49,399 is the thing I really love about this record. I realized school. But 1797 01:55:49,840 --> 01:55:55,920 you know, long drawn out metal album with two eleven minute songs can be 1798 01:55:56,560 --> 01:56:00,640 for me sometimes a little bit hard work. But when I've got his kind 1799 01:56:00,680 --> 01:56:05,840 of vocalformance and character and emotional journey to kind of grasp Onto combined with like 1800 01:56:05,960 --> 01:56:10,640 you know, stumble of Words being this like massive amit track, you still 1801 01:56:10,680 --> 01:56:14,560 get these like crushing, hardening four force or stomping riffs. Well I'm gonna 1802 01:56:14,560 --> 01:56:15,760 get like, oh yeah, quite, you know, that's a real headbang 1803 01:56:15,800 --> 01:56:21,560 moment. But when he's allowed to emotionally break through it and you get that 1804 01:56:21,880 --> 01:56:26,600 grief from him, it's why I can grasp Onto and be carried through these 1805 01:56:27,319 --> 01:56:30,399 really drawn out, longer songs. Yeah, I thought a stumble the Words 1806 01:56:30,439 --> 01:56:33,760 was great. I thought it kind of it picks up that kind of just 1807 01:56:34,319 --> 01:56:38,840 focus, kind of flowing energy that I think the title track on Serpent Spirit 1808 01:56:38,920 --> 01:56:42,199 has where it has these really stirring cord at the start and then locks into 1809 01:56:42,279 --> 01:56:45,119 that crunch, but it puts in so many great little like graceful guitar likes 1810 01:56:45,159 --> 01:56:45,920 and they're over the top. Yeah, I think it's an amazing song. 1811 01:56:45,960 --> 01:56:48,680 I totally agree, But it's just saying like I could have struggled with an 1812 01:56:48,680 --> 01:56:51,560 eleven minute songs sometimes, but it doesn't feel like that to me at all 1813 01:56:53,439 --> 01:56:57,119 much. I think the weakest Earn stuff could be a bit riff salad, 1814 01:56:57,560 --> 01:56:59,800 but there are songs here that are like, you know, upwards of a 1815 01:56:59,840 --> 01:57:02,159 leve minutes long, but they feel like consistent flowing ideas where like you know, 1816 01:57:02,640 --> 01:57:06,319 one kind of you know makes sense and flows into the next, and 1817 01:57:06,399 --> 01:57:11,039 they can still lock into a crunch really fucking well. Like Becoming the Emotion 1818 01:57:11,159 --> 01:57:14,680 is a super immediate track with its kind of triviam me riffs. There's that 1819 01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:16,920 on the first record. There's that Palace of Devils and Wolves track. It's 1820 01:57:16,920 --> 01:57:20,039 just like a really mean, catchy riff, and the Burden here with some 1821 01:57:20,119 --> 01:57:25,439 of that kind of bit more nastiness hits that as well, but it's not 1822 01:57:25,680 --> 01:57:28,680 just that, and it ends on this place of like really stirring, you 1823 01:57:28,720 --> 01:57:31,399 know, blasting kind of emotional emotional yearning with that, you know that kind 1824 01:57:31,399 --> 01:57:33,640 of it. There must be more life, more to life than this kind 1825 01:57:33,640 --> 01:57:36,760 of whole part. I think the ceiling of the quality of the very best 1826 01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:41,359 stuff on this next to the very best stuff on the debut is quite similar. 1827 01:57:41,840 --> 01:57:45,720 But I feel like I know what Earn are more after this album than 1828 01:57:45,720 --> 01:57:46,520 I did the first one. Like the first one, I had all these 1829 01:57:46,560 --> 01:57:49,399 ideas, but it felt like it could have almost have been anything, you 1830 01:57:49,439 --> 01:57:53,039 know, like, are you an epic metal band? Are you like a 1831 01:57:53,319 --> 01:57:56,359 hang the Bastard party riff thing? And now I'm like, oh, I 1832 01:57:56,479 --> 01:57:58,960 understand what you are. Now, I understand what direction you're trying to go 1833 01:57:59,039 --> 01:58:01,239 for, I understand what emotions you're trying to evoke with this music. And 1834 01:58:01,359 --> 01:58:04,159 that makes me a bit more excited than I was last time out to see 1835 01:58:04,239 --> 01:58:10,720 that continue to progress. Yeah. I mean, like I say, I 1836 01:58:10,800 --> 01:58:14,680 have a sort of similar view on this. Where the last record I thought 1837 01:58:14,720 --> 01:58:18,159 i'd real promise, but I didn't necessarily enjoy it in practice. This record, 1838 01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:24,800 I think there are substantial improvements in that. I think Joe, like 1839 01:58:24,840 --> 01:58:28,760 you said about the emotional purging quality. I think he's doing almost all the 1840 01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:32,000 heavy lifting in that respect, because for me, I still want them to 1841 01:58:32,079 --> 01:58:34,399 throw the reins off and just go for it a little bit more like the 1842 01:58:34,479 --> 01:58:38,920 Burden. I kind of wish I had more of a natural speed up and 1843 01:58:39,000 --> 01:58:42,199 slow down quality that being a perfect four four. I don't know that it 1844 01:58:42,279 --> 01:58:45,319 just isn't sitting right with me. I can see the argument about the kind 1845 01:58:45,319 --> 01:58:48,000 of the music and the recording maybe feeling a little contained. Yeah, yeah, 1846 01:58:48,159 --> 01:58:53,439 that's the sort of I think in terms of composition. I think there's 1847 01:58:53,439 --> 01:58:56,640 a lot more direction this time around. Yeah, and that's something that is, 1848 01:58:56,800 --> 01:58:59,760 like you say, easier to get excited about and engaged in rather than 1849 01:58:59,840 --> 01:59:01,760 just I don't know if I want to get emotionally invested just yet, because 1850 01:59:01,800 --> 01:59:05,159 the next riff might just sound like Finn Lizzy. I'll be power sliding in 1851 01:59:05,199 --> 01:59:09,760 a second. What I was about that, I mean, that's one of 1852 01:59:09,760 --> 01:59:12,760 the things that helped them kind of really take off. Though in sort the 1853 01:59:12,840 --> 01:59:15,079 UK out of the scene where it's it still has the moments where people who 1854 01:59:15,159 --> 01:59:19,079 just want a head bang can get that satisfaction from it as well, So 1855 01:59:19,279 --> 01:59:23,760 I think there is a consent that they don't want to ever go to like 1856 01:59:24,880 --> 01:59:30,520 challenging and two kind of like emotionally draining because they don't want to alienate people 1857 01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:31,600 too much. And I think so having you know everyone and then just putting 1858 01:59:31,640 --> 01:59:34,720 and go, okay, here's just a proper shit kicking head bang a riff 1859 01:59:35,319 --> 01:59:40,399 just kind of grounds it a little bit every now on them or the prospects 1860 01:59:40,399 --> 01:59:43,000 that I'm never going to poop poo, the prospects of a crunch riff, 1861 01:59:43,079 --> 01:59:47,640 like do not do not read this wrong, But for me, I wish 1862 01:59:47,720 --> 01:59:50,760 it's sort of kicked a little bit harder in those moments, if that makes 1863 01:59:50,760 --> 01:59:54,399 sense, maybe just to sort of make it slightly more dynamic. I don't 1864 01:59:54,399 --> 01:59:56,880 know. And it's funny to me. This is interest by produced by Joe 1865 01:59:57,399 --> 02:00:01,479 Joe the Plantier. We're not that good friends, like because I really like 1866 02:00:01,560 --> 02:00:04,600 what you's done in the last couple of GAJA records, and those are quite 1867 02:00:04,800 --> 02:00:09,399 static sounding records. They haven't got quite as much push and pull and explosive 1868 02:00:09,479 --> 02:00:13,319 quality as the records they as the rest they did before. By think, 1869 02:00:13,399 --> 02:00:16,319 in those contexts it really works, and I think earn to sort of have 1870 02:00:16,399 --> 02:00:20,560 them in that sort of static controlled zone in the early years of their career. 1871 02:00:21,600 --> 02:00:24,600 I think they can kind of inverse that. I think once they find 1872 02:00:24,600 --> 02:00:27,920 out what sort of band they're going to be and like really holding on that, 1873 02:00:28,520 --> 02:00:32,159 then you can start you know, tightening it up, focusing the attack, 1874 02:00:32,319 --> 02:00:34,439 whereas as it is now, if you want to be a sort of 1875 02:00:34,479 --> 02:00:36,880 free for all, I kind of want it to sound like that. But 1876 02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:41,000 overall, I think this is a market improvement on the last record. I 1877 02:00:41,119 --> 02:00:45,079 definitely prefer it to Serpent and Spirit. Yeah. I think it's it's more 1878 02:00:45,279 --> 02:00:50,199 focused musically than the prior record was, and I think it's very well put 1879 02:00:50,319 --> 02:00:54,039 together. It's g reentally, I feel what you're saying, and that it 1880 02:00:54,199 --> 02:00:57,199 never feels if you remove the vocal element, it never feels like a truly 1881 02:00:57,279 --> 02:01:02,920 unhinged record, right or like it's a very well composed, dramatic, sort 1882 02:01:02,960 --> 02:01:06,079 of progressive thrash record, if you want to call it that. And then 1883 02:01:06,159 --> 02:01:11,880 I think the vocal element adds the element of like the really torn up part 1884 02:01:12,199 --> 02:01:15,199 of what's going on, and I think that makes it a like it's you 1885 02:01:15,239 --> 02:01:21,399 know, a involving listening without necessarily being like an overwhelming one, you know. 1886 02:01:21,680 --> 02:01:24,840 Yeah, with it and I think that's the sweet spot. They're kind 1887 02:01:24,880 --> 02:01:27,199 of hitting on it, so I think it's a good record. And and 1888 02:01:27,479 --> 02:01:30,479 following that, as I alluded to, is for my money, one of 1889 02:01:30,479 --> 02:01:33,720 the leading bands of recent years when it comes to the standard of like melodic 1890 02:01:34,000 --> 02:01:38,479 heavy metal playing and melodicism. I know, over the course of their last 1891 02:01:38,479 --> 02:01:41,600 two albums particularly, a lot of people have really gone to bat to champion 1892 02:01:41,680 --> 02:01:44,159 this band, but there's still plenty of folks who weren't heard them, so 1893 02:01:44,239 --> 02:01:46,319 you know, listen up. They're called Spirit Adrift. The record is called 1894 02:01:46,520 --> 02:01:49,800 Ghost at the Gallows that they have released this month. And this band, 1895 02:01:50,600 --> 02:01:54,079 they started off as like more of a doom thing, like when I first 1896 02:01:54,159 --> 02:01:57,479 kind of got wind of them. You know, they're kind of another promising 1897 02:01:57,520 --> 02:02:00,479 act coming out of that kind of like post Paul Bearer and Elder kind of 1898 02:02:00,479 --> 02:02:03,039 boom in that kind of thing. But they've really found their calling by more 1899 02:02:03,119 --> 02:02:06,560 things too, more like an all out kind of heavy metal act, making 1900 02:02:06,600 --> 02:02:11,359 that turn majorly on twenty nineteen is divided by darkness and then for me sort 1901 02:02:11,399 --> 02:02:15,239 of crystallizing into its like most well rounded form on a twenty twenties and lighted 1902 02:02:15,359 --> 02:02:20,199 in Eternity. I fucking loved that record in particular. Elliott, you mentioned 1903 02:02:20,279 --> 02:02:24,479 Thin Lizzy on the show more than I do, so you must love Spirit 1904 02:02:24,520 --> 02:02:28,520 of Drift two. Right. Oh yeah, Well, all the albums are 1905 02:02:28,720 --> 02:02:31,640 great, but pasily since Cursor Conception, which is what Storm one, that 1906 02:02:31,720 --> 02:02:36,359 post metal doom thing, But the last two in particular in particular are just 1907 02:02:38,520 --> 02:02:41,840 in that sort of news school of like new school of old school heavy metal. 1908 02:02:42,439 --> 02:02:46,119 Yeah, they might be the number one progenesis of it going because like 1909 02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:51,319 Divided by Darkness into Enlightened by Eternity just as a one two. The sound 1910 02:02:51,399 --> 02:02:57,399 of like doom inflected heavy metal is just so sumptuous, and they might be 1911 02:02:57,520 --> 02:03:02,159 my favorite of that entire bunch. And they've they've been released quite a lot 1912 02:03:02,199 --> 02:03:05,439 of material the last few years, and it's just a sound that I'd never 1913 02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:11,720 get bored of. And their songs are so full of life and energy and 1914 02:03:12,119 --> 02:03:16,279 drama when necessary. They're just they're the best. Yeah, I'm saying that, 1915 02:03:16,359 --> 02:03:20,479 like those those two records was like two just fucking sensation or heavy metal 1916 02:03:20,479 --> 02:03:24,119 records inside like eighteen months or something. And then you've mentioned what they've done 1917 02:03:24,159 --> 02:03:27,279 since, which is more like they've put out a bunch of extra things with 1918 02:03:27,520 --> 02:03:30,520 like three years since the album. There's like EPs and covers album last year 1919 02:03:30,600 --> 02:03:32,600 to get like I get insight to what kind of things are going on inside 1920 02:03:32,640 --> 02:03:34,279 their heads. And then so I was very pleased to get like, you 1921 02:03:34,319 --> 02:03:38,439 know, proper full length follow up to for me, what was what was 1922 02:03:38,479 --> 02:03:42,239 their best album to date? And like this this sounds so cheesy, but 1923 02:03:42,279 --> 02:03:45,119 I feel like Spirit of Drift or a band who playing heavy metal and like 1924 02:03:45,199 --> 02:03:51,119 classic rock music, it feels like just a very necessary spiritual thing for them, 1925 02:03:51,319 --> 02:03:55,079 Like it's I think they just have to do right, Like there's there's 1926 02:03:55,159 --> 02:03:58,319 no sense of like playing up for the camera or winking or anything. It's 1927 02:03:58,319 --> 02:04:01,279 just like so unrelentingly sincere and really just like something they are putting their souls 1928 02:04:01,359 --> 02:04:05,359 into. And I think innately for me, it just makes these their songs 1929 02:04:05,399 --> 02:04:10,159 feel like they're kind of putting their arms around me and lifting me up because 1930 02:04:10,279 --> 02:04:15,560 I love for me Spirited Drift like they balance that like sword swinging, kick 1931 02:04:15,640 --> 02:04:17,760 house feeling that I love and a lot of heavy metal traditionalism stuff that we've 1932 02:04:17,760 --> 02:04:21,600 had in recent years with like Visigoth and summer Lands and stuff like that with 1933 02:04:21,840 --> 02:04:27,800 this really like yearning looking out into the heaven sort of emotion. And I 1934 02:04:27,880 --> 02:04:30,279 think this album is a very good example of particularly that kind of balance, 1935 02:04:30,319 --> 02:04:35,439 because like give Her to the River is a perfect example where the clean in 1936 02:04:35,479 --> 02:04:39,479 trouble, those chords, it just makes me feel warm inside, like I 1937 02:04:39,520 --> 02:04:41,560 don't know what to tell you, Like there's just such a richness to that 1938 02:04:41,640 --> 02:04:45,960 tone that makes those chords and that guitar playing feel so like comforting somehow, 1939 02:04:46,159 --> 02:04:48,399 and then when it picks up speed into the galloping riff, it's still just 1940 02:04:48,479 --> 02:04:53,600 like so feel good, and like the vocal line and the guitar melodies intersects 1941 02:04:53,600 --> 02:04:58,399 and it's like genuinely, genuinely beautiful. Sam, did you get on with 1942 02:04:58,479 --> 02:05:02,720 Spirit Drift? So I listened to it was that they're twenty seventeen and when 1943 02:05:02,760 --> 02:05:05,479 that came out, and I wasn't crazy into at the time, so when 1944 02:05:05,479 --> 02:05:08,319 they were more of like a doom band at that point in time yet, 1945 02:05:08,359 --> 02:05:10,680 so I kind of just didn't bother with any of the other one since then, 1946 02:05:10,920 --> 02:05:15,239 Oh I'm missed out so fucking much. This album fucking raw, Yeah, 1947 02:05:15,840 --> 02:05:17,680 good lord, hit play and the moment that like I was like, 1948 02:05:17,720 --> 02:05:20,319 oh cool, we can like do me heavy metal things, and when that 1949 02:05:20,439 --> 02:05:24,800 galloping riff kicks in on given to it, I was like, the fist 1950 02:05:24,880 --> 02:05:30,560 is pumping, like sometimes you just when you get that sort of classic tread 1951 02:05:30,640 --> 02:05:33,760 metal thing with such a sense of drama to it, whatever, going like 1952 02:05:33,960 --> 02:05:45,520 to pomper sincilly and it's just like totally righteous. The previous album articulate, 1953 02:05:45,079 --> 02:05:48,720 but like when you get like in the Fire we transform kind of hooks on 1954 02:05:48,880 --> 02:05:53,479 on that song and like again it's a seven minute song, flies by, 1955 02:05:54,119 --> 02:05:59,479 Yeah, that happened with that opens bomb Burner. I was like, god 1956 02:05:59,680 --> 02:06:01,920 fuck damn, I'm so in on everything about this. It's got that like 1957 02:06:02,640 --> 02:06:09,560 almost like slightly kind of Western cowboy kind of like fuel twitter points as well, 1958 02:06:10,039 --> 02:06:13,840 which I'm always gonna go with. I think this is incredible. I'm 1959 02:06:13,920 --> 02:06:16,199 very glad you've had like this kind of epiphany with them, because it's it's 1960 02:06:16,279 --> 02:06:18,600 I didn't like an early records. I just kind of like, I don't 1961 02:06:18,600 --> 02:06:21,960 know if I be bob because I didn't realize they'd made the transformations and they're 1962 02:06:21,960 --> 02:06:27,159 like, oh man, so cool. Yeah, Like like Barnburner is one 1963 02:06:27,159 --> 02:06:30,399 of the most simplistic songs that like the tapping lead at the start in a 1964 02:06:30,479 --> 02:06:32,439 good way. It feels like about fifty songs you've heard before, like it's 1965 02:06:32,520 --> 02:06:35,720 so close to being like a wasted years or something, but it sounds good 1966 02:06:35,720 --> 02:06:39,880 to the ear. And then it just struts its stuff for four minutes, 1967 02:06:40,319 --> 02:06:44,720 just like a big fucking riff and like a big feel good corus hook with 1968 02:06:44,800 --> 02:06:46,680 the go ahead and like your tooch just remember you'll be the next to burn, 1969 02:06:46,960 --> 02:06:50,000 like fucking yeah. And then there's like that big low end of Metallica 1970 02:06:50,079 --> 02:06:53,159 riff after that. That's like if you're disappointed by like i know, the 1971 02:06:53,159 --> 02:06:56,199 flabby song length on seventy two Seasons or whatever, like have a blast of 1972 02:06:56,239 --> 02:06:58,199 this and it'll do it. And that's again that kind of the more like 1973 02:06:58,279 --> 02:07:00,840 you know, just sort of like you say, righteous end it. Nate 1974 02:07:01,039 --> 02:07:04,520 has just such a great flare with that these kind of classic licks. So 1975 02:07:04,640 --> 02:07:09,640 many parts were a song like a riff will transition into another one and it 1976 02:07:09,680 --> 02:07:12,479 would just make you instinctively pull a face like yeah, that's the one, 1977 02:07:12,960 --> 02:07:15,199 or you know, kind of lift you in some way, like the harmony 1978 02:07:15,279 --> 02:07:17,319 leaves section and give it to the river is when they really get that feel 1979 02:07:17,439 --> 02:07:20,640 right, that kind of stirring melodic yearning. They really do it so well. 1980 02:07:21,159 --> 02:07:26,560 I Shall Return is another one for me that like that lovely like guitar 1981 02:07:26,640 --> 02:07:29,680 accentuation in the chorus. It's like it stirs my soul, you know, 1982 02:07:30,800 --> 02:07:34,039 I Shall Return. It's like you've heard Crazy Train. You like Crazy Train 1983 02:07:36,239 --> 02:07:40,000 that riff. I was like, I've got, yeah, proper aussy vibes 1984 02:07:40,039 --> 02:07:43,279 on that one from I Shall Return, But it is so rocking in it, 1985 02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:48,520 and they just have this like magical quality to balance like badass and kind 1986 02:07:48,560 --> 02:07:53,359 of like slightly i want to say nerdy, but like that sort of fantasy 1987 02:07:53,399 --> 02:07:56,760 element, and the way they straddle the line of those two things is just 1988 02:07:56,880 --> 02:07:59,880 so cool. You mentioned Barnburner that's almost got a medieval jaunt to it, 1989 02:08:00,399 --> 02:08:03,520 but it kicks like British steel Erara Priest, and they're like Hangman's Revenge. 1990 02:08:03,800 --> 02:08:09,239 The sort of motorhead engine on that song, Like it's like that scene in 1991 02:08:09,279 --> 02:08:13,920 Brave Heart but everyone's riding a chopper. It's just like it's just like Chef 1992 02:08:13,960 --> 02:08:16,520 gets as a combination of things, just being able to balance those two things 1993 02:08:16,560 --> 02:08:20,359 at once, And you're saying it never feels remotely hokey. With Spirit Drift. 1994 02:08:20,399 --> 02:08:24,520 There's no win quink nudge nudge, like if I stick my tongue out 1995 02:08:24,560 --> 02:08:31,680 and throw the horns. It's just sincerely performed, expertly realized heavy metal of 1996 02:08:31,840 --> 02:08:33,119 the highest order. And I don't even think this record is as good as 1997 02:08:33,159 --> 02:08:37,039 the last two. I think it's really great, but I would say it's 1998 02:08:37,079 --> 02:08:41,159 a step down from those. I mean, if you're staying out, I'm 1999 02:08:41,159 --> 02:08:45,960 going to love those last two records. I think Divided by Darkness when they 2000 02:08:46,039 --> 02:08:50,600 really lent into like the ausy stuff maybe similar to this in Latin Attorney is 2001 02:08:50,640 --> 02:08:54,399 still comfortably my favorite one. But like again, it's kind of a trilogy 2002 02:08:54,479 --> 02:08:58,399 now of these sort of more like curs Conception. But that was when they 2003 02:08:58,399 --> 02:09:00,680 started doing like kind of Metallica epic and stuff like that. It was like, 2004 02:09:00,680 --> 02:09:01,159 okay, it was like they were still kind of doom band, but 2005 02:09:01,159 --> 02:09:03,359 they were doing like these fatal black type songs. It was like, whoa, 2006 02:09:03,680 --> 02:09:05,920 there's something here. And then they just went full on. You know, 2007 02:09:07,000 --> 02:09:11,079 you mentioned the kind of the combination of like you know, really like 2008 02:09:11,239 --> 02:09:16,039 fucking just full on hell yeah, but also a bit fantasy laden and how 2009 02:09:16,079 --> 02:09:18,960 it doesn't like one of the bands that I think to do that for me 2010 02:09:18,039 --> 02:09:22,039 is High on Fire and like Hangman's Revenge you said, Motorhead. For me, 2011 02:09:22,159 --> 02:09:26,159 that's like that that double bassed rumble High on Fire thing, but with 2012 02:09:26,399 --> 02:09:28,960 you know, like high or virus, so fucking like garbled and like a 2013 02:09:30,000 --> 02:09:33,000 monster nashing at your face, whereas this has that really melodic kind of you 2014 02:09:33,079 --> 02:09:37,359 know, tastefulness with it. And I think there's a really great a kind 2015 02:09:37,399 --> 02:09:39,399 of American feel for their music as well, which is like, I know, 2016 02:09:39,800 --> 02:09:43,239 like a lot of their reference points are like, you know, Ozzie 2017 02:09:43,399 --> 02:09:46,680 and Sabbath, but I think on this one you can really feel that kind 2018 02:09:46,720 --> 02:09:50,359 of Americana backdrop to the that they make as well. The environment they're making 2019 02:09:50,479 --> 02:09:54,520 is it's epic heavy metal made by people who have been surrounded from an early 2020 02:09:54,600 --> 02:09:58,199 age by you know, like skinnered and you know American. That's why I 2021 02:09:58,319 --> 02:10:01,640 kind of dropped that the sort of the Western cowboys, yeah, like influence 2022 02:10:01,720 --> 02:10:05,239 that you can really feel that, and I think that's so that makes it 2023 02:10:05,319 --> 02:10:07,640 sound cooler to me, is that I'm always going to be a bit like, 2024 02:10:07,680 --> 02:10:09,279 oh yeah, probabit from Erican on something. Yeah, sure you're gonna 2025 02:10:09,279 --> 02:10:11,760 say that it's probably where they It's probably where they got that big fat sense 2026 02:10:11,800 --> 02:10:15,079 of groove from as well, for things like death Won't Stop Me, which 2027 02:10:15,079 --> 02:10:16,640 you know how you're going to turn that down, and that puts just kind 2028 02:10:16,640 --> 02:10:22,000 of like this, you know, really big drive and purpose onto this like 2029 02:10:22,159 --> 02:10:26,439 constantly just you know, forward march, innately satisfying, big riff, and 2030 02:10:26,479 --> 02:10:28,479 I think again, like in Night in Eternity, I think remains the one 2031 02:10:28,520 --> 02:10:33,039 that has like invigorated me the most and had the songs I've not been able 2032 02:10:33,079 --> 02:10:35,399 to get out of my head, but this one is very, very pleasing 2033 02:10:35,479 --> 02:10:39,319 to like sit in and go yeah, like heavy metal makes me feel good. 2034 02:10:39,680 --> 02:10:43,319 I feel like there's more moments of real mournfulness on this record, like 2035 02:10:43,439 --> 02:10:48,119 These Two Hands that almost is, as you say, into the likes of 2036 02:10:48,199 --> 02:10:50,359 things like Paul Bearer, Like the solo at the end is euphoric, but 2037 02:10:50,520 --> 02:10:54,119 most of the songs are build up to that, and it's kind of like 2038 02:10:54,279 --> 02:10:58,439 bitter sweet and super weighty. And then the title track like it's kind of 2039 02:10:58,479 --> 02:11:01,840 a song of two parts and the first it's just this slamming dirge, the 2040 02:11:01,920 --> 02:11:03,279 likes of which I don't think they've done to this extent. For quite a 2041 02:11:03,319 --> 02:11:07,560 while, but then when that opens up, the Americana thing you mentioned is 2042 02:11:07,560 --> 02:11:11,159 put because it's like a space Western Orion style ballet of stars, and it 2043 02:11:11,319 --> 02:11:16,920 ends the record on such a level of grandeur that you forget the earlier you're 2044 02:11:16,920 --> 02:11:20,800 set in your office chair pretending to rev your engine to Hangman's revenge. It's 2045 02:11:20,880 --> 02:11:24,439 like the journey. It takes you to have both things, and yet you 2046 02:11:24,520 --> 02:11:26,399 never feel like, Okay, I'm on a journey in the way that you 2047 02:11:26,439 --> 02:11:30,239 know blind Guardian will slap you around the face that this is meant to be 2048 02:11:30,359 --> 02:11:35,119 some kind of choose your own adventure story. I think that is really immersive 2049 02:11:35,199 --> 02:11:37,239 in that way without being I don't know if it's like is it a concept 2050 02:11:37,239 --> 02:11:39,039 album? Is that kind of thing like that? But I found its kind 2051 02:11:39,079 --> 02:11:41,479 of album though, No, But I found it was like there's a world 2052 02:11:41,520 --> 02:11:45,079 I can kind of like feel like I'm a part of on this record. 2053 02:11:45,760 --> 02:11:48,319 Yeah. So again, like the covers am they released last year, Sam, 2054 02:11:48,359 --> 02:11:50,079 just to give you an idea of like what kind of stuff they done. 2055 02:11:50,199 --> 02:11:52,560 They had a cover of Everything Dies by Type of Negative, Hollow by 2056 02:11:52,640 --> 02:11:58,000 Pantera, Escaped by Metallica, Waiting for an Alibi, by Thin Lizzy, 2057 02:11:58,359 --> 02:12:01,960 Nasty Dogs and Funky Kings, Bazy Easy Top, like a really fucking cool 2058 02:12:01,000 --> 02:12:03,880 selection of stuff. And I think you know this and album like this is 2059 02:12:03,960 --> 02:12:07,680 kind of what you get when you you know, when that's a pall of 2060 02:12:07,720 --> 02:12:11,760 influences, when that is a pall of influences. So yeah, spirit Adrift 2061 02:12:11,800 --> 02:12:15,239 goes to the Gallows thoroughly recommended. And the last bit of the show, 2062 02:12:15,520 --> 02:12:18,159 we are going to switch into death metal for a while. But you know, 2063 02:12:18,239 --> 02:12:20,399 stay tuned if you love beautiful, exciting, passionate guitar playing, because 2064 02:12:20,439 --> 02:12:26,720 Horrendous back with ontological mysterium. Horrendous have been one of the more celebrated bands 2065 02:12:26,760 --> 02:12:31,279 within the underground for like progressive and technical death metal, like you know, 2066 02:12:31,359 --> 02:12:35,720 intellectually minded but not lacking on the primal either. They are one of the 2067 02:12:35,840 --> 02:12:41,359 major bands, perhaps not as synonymous as Blooding Cantation for example, but when 2068 02:12:41,399 --> 02:12:43,800 we just did that Blooding Cantation album club and we were talking about kind of 2069 02:12:43,800 --> 02:12:48,000 in the mid twenty tens, like death metal as a more progressive kind of 2070 02:12:48,079 --> 02:12:50,920 guy's kind of gained a big influx of bands making that kind of newly interesting. 2071 02:12:50,960 --> 02:12:54,039 Like Horrendous are like one of the first names that you mentioned there, 2072 02:12:54,079 --> 02:12:58,359 and the evolution that Horrendous have gone on from their first record through to their 2073 02:12:58,399 --> 02:13:01,680 late ones. I think he is one of those really exciting stories of that, 2074 02:13:01,760 --> 02:13:05,680 you know, decade of heavy extreme music. Elliott I would have imagined 2075 02:13:05,680 --> 02:13:09,039 that you would have been checked into Horrendous on that journey as well. Right, 2076 02:13:09,239 --> 02:13:11,159 Oh, yeah, I've always really liked them. They were they were 2077 02:13:11,199 --> 02:13:13,640 never quite in the sort of este of modern death metal. So, like 2078 02:13:13,720 --> 02:13:18,000 they said, Blood Incantation and piss Grave for me, are like the maybe 2079 02:13:18,079 --> 02:13:20,359 the two stand up bands of the last decade. But if you're putting things 2080 02:13:20,399 --> 02:13:26,359 like Artificial Brain and maybe the b TI, I would put Horrendous alongside two 2081 02:13:26,439 --> 02:13:31,239 Mold and the like In the eight It like the way they've become increasingly eccentric 2082 02:13:31,720 --> 02:13:35,199 and bizarre, but still having that kind of Swedish death metal quality to it, 2083 02:13:35,319 --> 02:13:39,279 like a bit of that's gore gut style technicality and a lot more melody 2084 02:13:39,680 --> 02:13:43,760 than their peers were doing a hefty amount of the boodly doodly base, which 2085 02:13:43,479 --> 02:13:48,239 I will never be turning down. But it's funny for me, like as 2086 02:13:48,319 --> 02:13:52,920 much as I like this band, them being kind of going away for five 2087 02:13:52,039 --> 02:13:58,399 years, and when they normally have quite small gaps between the records, I 2088 02:13:58,560 --> 02:14:01,720 kind of largely forgotten what a great band they are. Well, I think 2089 02:14:01,800 --> 02:14:05,119 we're like a slightly different point with them, I guess because I remember, 2090 02:14:05,159 --> 02:14:11,399 like around the time the Esthesis and Anirator albums in kind of twenty fourteen twenty 2091 02:14:11,479 --> 02:14:16,199 fifteen, that was one of the really like turned up and blew some minds 2092 02:14:16,239 --> 02:14:18,520 with like this big impressive sound that they gained for themselves. We're now five 2093 02:14:18,640 --> 02:14:22,560 years from the previous album Idol, which I did bring on to TNN at 2094 02:14:22,600 --> 02:14:24,119 that at the time, but that is the longest gap in their material, 2095 02:14:24,159 --> 02:14:26,960 and I think there's a period there, I guess of like you know, 2096 02:14:28,000 --> 02:14:33,560 really quick rapid evolution from Horrendous from albums one through four, like a period 2097 02:14:33,600 --> 02:14:35,600 of like five years or so. That's the kind of like quick gestation periods 2098 02:14:35,960 --> 02:14:39,640 comparable to you know, some of the classic metal bands that they're influenced by, 2099 02:14:39,720 --> 02:14:43,439 how they used to kind of change and evolve quickly. Album one album. 2100 02:14:43,199 --> 02:14:46,680 Now we've had that put on pause for a little while, and we're 2101 02:14:46,680 --> 02:14:48,319 at a state of kind of a new era of like you know, how 2102 02:14:48,439 --> 02:14:52,039 much further can you Ben? Can you take that? And I think it's 2103 02:14:52,039 --> 02:14:54,640 fair to say that Horrendous they've definitely found a niche, but I think Ontological 2104 02:14:54,720 --> 02:15:01,560 Mysterium represents how they can make that, like continually refreshing this album with thirty 2105 02:15:01,600 --> 02:15:05,079 seven minutes long, which is their shortest to date. Yeah. I also 2106 02:15:05,159 --> 02:15:09,039 think it's actually their most progressive album to date, and it has this energy 2107 02:15:09,199 --> 02:15:13,640 of like going really off road and ambitious, but while absolutely zipping through it 2108 02:15:15,079 --> 02:15:18,199 with this like wild pace that makes it like a whirlwind of an album. 2109 02:15:18,279 --> 02:15:20,680 And Sam, I know that, you know you're not always one for the 2110 02:15:22,239 --> 02:15:24,960 long prog album, but when fused something that has that kind of like that 2111 02:15:24,600 --> 02:15:28,039 excitability to it. And you know, some of their obvious progenities are some 2112 02:15:28,159 --> 02:15:31,920 of your favorite bands in the genre. Like how do you find Horrendous? 2113 02:15:31,920 --> 02:15:35,760 Is this new for you? Yeah, I'd never listened to them. I 2114 02:15:35,840 --> 02:15:39,439 realize i'd seen one of their album artworks, the ex Thesis What have you 2115 02:15:39,520 --> 02:15:41,520 pronounced? That? Like? I recognized album. Mart I was like, 2116 02:15:41,560 --> 02:15:45,439 oh fu, that's them cool and one of my favorite covers of the last 2117 02:15:45,800 --> 02:15:48,840 like ten years or so. Like, never really listened to them. This 2118 02:15:48,039 --> 02:15:54,920 is a mental album, Like how many kind of different strands of extreme metal 2119 02:15:54,000 --> 02:15:58,000 and just metal in general. It kind of ties together but does so you're 2120 02:15:58,039 --> 02:16:01,960 right in thirty seven minutes. Is it's like, because I said that that's 2121 02:16:01,000 --> 02:16:05,000 called yep Stephano. But there's heavy metal, black metal, like prog. 2122 02:16:05,119 --> 02:16:09,520 There's like little bits of grinding there and stuff like that. It's really eclectic 2123 02:16:09,039 --> 02:16:13,600 but fun rides to go on, like I'm still going to figure out parts 2124 02:16:13,640 --> 02:16:16,359 of it. But you're right. The sort of latter death is where I 2125 02:16:16,560 --> 02:16:18,880 kind of go, yeah, you know why I like those albums. That's 2126 02:16:18,880 --> 02:16:22,159 why I can kind of grab one to and kind of go yep. Or 2127 02:16:22,199 --> 02:16:26,439 there's you know, sound of perseverance stuff Didney Bassis you still however you put 2128 02:16:26,479 --> 02:16:30,920 it, but based on his mental but I'm I'm quite I'm quite growing quite 2129 02:16:30,960 --> 02:16:33,440 fond of like mental bass sounds in death metal albums. It's kind of just 2130 02:16:33,559 --> 02:16:37,959 those like quirks of the genre, like you didn't get that anywhere else quite 2131 02:16:37,000 --> 02:16:39,000 like it. You know, Yeah, at some point we'll get you back 2132 02:16:39,040 --> 02:16:41,559 on an Obscura album and you go, ah, yeah, that's a that's 2133 02:16:41,600 --> 02:16:43,600 what I was missing last time. The thing with this is, like, 2134 02:16:43,680 --> 02:16:46,760 you know, it's not like it is kind of a mental album. I 2135 02:16:46,799 --> 02:16:50,159 can't disagree with that, but it's not like a it's not impenetrable, it's 2136 02:16:50,159 --> 02:16:52,920 not the way it is. But also I was not gonna I was gonna 2137 02:16:52,959 --> 02:17:00,040 say it's not like wacky, like it's not like a circus album like in 2138 02:17:00,040 --> 02:17:01,479 the way, yeah, some things where like where I didn't like, you 2139 02:17:01,520 --> 02:17:03,479 know, when we've done like Between the Buried and Me, and I've always 2140 02:17:03,479 --> 02:17:07,520 complaining about like the more. Yeah, and it's not even though the way 2141 02:17:07,559 --> 02:17:09,479 I fucking love and the way you can't stand the way like Imperial Triumphant like 2142 02:17:09,719 --> 02:17:13,920 throw you around in a way, it's not completely jarring and yeah, and 2143 02:17:15,000 --> 02:17:18,040 it has like loads of like mad different instruments or whatever drawn in. This 2144 02:17:18,159 --> 02:17:22,120 is generally just sort of like well like four piece band stuff. But I 2145 02:17:22,200 --> 02:17:26,399 think you can hear in like the sheer musicality of the playing and the arrangements 2146 02:17:26,399 --> 02:17:30,120 on this, that these are guys with like an incredibly keen knowledge and passion 2147 02:17:30,239 --> 02:17:35,239 for like really classic timeless forms of progressive rock music, right like Rush, 2148 02:17:35,680 --> 02:17:41,319 Iron Maiden, King Crimson, and they are applying that to like an extreme 2149 02:17:41,360 --> 02:17:48,120 metal sound, and like the intro track the Blaze starts feeling like it's kind 2150 02:17:48,120 --> 02:17:50,280 of almost like atmospheric doom thing, but then in the second minute it the 2151 02:17:50,280 --> 02:17:52,639 guitars are going full Iron Maiden. Yeah. It's so much heavy metal on 2152 02:17:52,719 --> 02:17:56,280 this Yeah, and like the sequence sending album does things like that, will 2153 02:17:56,280 --> 02:18:01,760 get a trap like aurorro Neotekera, which is like just a full like a 2154 02:18:01,799 --> 02:18:05,559 little like jazz track. Yeah, and it really like lose free form kind 2155 02:18:05,600 --> 02:18:07,360 of Yea. It reminds me of like the kind of Alan Holdsworth stuff that 2156 02:18:07,360 --> 02:18:09,559 you hear on like Cynic or My Sugar albums or whatever, and it just 2157 02:18:09,639 --> 02:18:13,000 takes one song through to the other and you've got like a mad like robot 2158 02:18:13,159 --> 02:18:18,719 voice instrumental exogenesis, and it gives us impression of like the album constantly moving. 2159 02:18:18,000 --> 02:18:20,239 You're really in it for a fluid thirty seven minutes. And when you 2160 02:18:20,280 --> 02:18:26,399 apply that same principle to like the fuller songs, it unlocks them really just 2161 02:18:26,559 --> 02:18:31,319 like exciting metal tracks to listen to. I should say I fucking love this 2162 02:18:31,479 --> 02:18:35,000 record. Nice, It's yeah, it's great. It's so weird to be 2163 02:18:35,200 --> 02:18:39,959 pleasantly surprised by a band that you've loved their material before. But I think 2164 02:18:39,000 --> 02:18:41,879 it is just that five years away, it's sort of then becoming I want 2165 02:18:41,879 --> 02:18:45,559 to say, part of the furniture, but not being like my go to 2166 02:18:46,040 --> 02:18:48,120 death metal band over the last ten years, and then putting this on and 2167 02:18:48,200 --> 02:18:54,079 just going I have been a fucking full Like how have I not been putting 2168 02:18:54,079 --> 02:18:56,079 these guys in the same camp, Because, like you say, the Blaze 2169 02:18:56,120 --> 02:19:00,840 as always to open it like really fun and exciting, and for a record 2170 02:19:00,879 --> 02:19:03,520 that's gonna have so many twists and turns, it's really cools. Open it 2171 02:19:03,559 --> 02:19:07,680 with something genuinely anthemic and like tension escalating, and then for that to go 2172 02:19:07,799 --> 02:19:13,879 into cry a soppia. The archaeology of Dawn God Knows, like there's a 2173 02:19:15,399 --> 02:19:20,479 labyrinthine masterpiece that draws on everything from like Morbid Angel to like Strata Various in 2174 02:19:20,520 --> 02:19:24,559 its guitar leads, Steve Harris blubbering bass all over it and like a super 2175 02:19:24,639 --> 02:19:28,600 kinetic drum performance and all that, and you just get this most like the 2176 02:19:28,680 --> 02:19:33,040 most inhuman vocal performance, like the way that snarls and bellows. It's almost 2177 02:19:33,079 --> 02:19:39,760 like Glenn Benton doing baby talk in points. It's just like this record for 2178 02:19:39,920 --> 02:19:46,479 thirty seven minutes is if even if you don't like death mel it's just so 2179 02:19:46,680 --> 02:19:50,559 much fun to listen to, and if you do, it's just so refreshing 2180 02:19:50,639 --> 02:19:56,840 hearing new things the whole way through. Yeah, like that that christ A 2181 02:19:56,920 --> 02:20:01,440 Pier track has its like brilliant detec like Abandoned where it's you know, you 2182 02:20:01,520 --> 02:20:05,239 mentioned all those things. It's like voivod grappling with some kind of like melodic 2183 02:20:05,280 --> 02:20:09,799 classic heavy metal band being played by you know, death metal players. And 2184 02:20:09,879 --> 02:20:13,959 it's the longest track on the record at seven minutes. It's also one of 2185 02:20:13,000 --> 02:20:16,479 the most breakneck fast ones on the record, and it's such a fun move 2186 02:20:16,600 --> 02:20:18,920 to go, Okay, we're gonna go long form and we're gonna take you 2187 02:20:20,000 --> 02:20:22,000 places, but we're gonna just fucking drag you along there and give you a 2188 02:20:22,120 --> 02:20:26,440 thrill as it's happening. And like I've always liked how horrendous, How horrendous 2189 02:20:26,479 --> 02:20:31,879 do Noodly, But it doesn't actually feel like kind of overly you know, 2190 02:20:31,040 --> 02:20:33,600 potent us or kind of self serious or anything. It's like you can feel 2191 02:20:33,600 --> 02:20:37,600 the excitement of people who are generally having fun playing. Yeah, I mean 2192 02:20:37,639 --> 02:20:41,719 I enjoyed that they're just like Joe And like I say, just thrashing riffs, 2193 02:20:41,760 --> 02:20:46,280 and the solos aren't kind of like it doesn't feel like, you know, 2194 02:20:46,360 --> 02:20:48,920 oh wanky looking at me playing all the notes. There's purpose and direction 2195 02:20:48,959 --> 02:20:52,840 to the solos, just kind of spelling things. Forwards, you get I 2196 02:20:52,879 --> 02:20:56,920 feel like there's like two minutes in with the clean vocal bit on christ so 2197 02:20:56,200 --> 02:21:01,120 poever like weird kind of proggy melody in the guitars, but then you just 2198 02:21:01,159 --> 02:21:05,319 get like a big riff that follows. It's it's like that's one I think 2199 02:21:05,319 --> 02:21:09,000 it's awesome for like seven minutes and how much ground it covers, like really 2200 02:21:09,079 --> 02:21:11,799 think it's great. Yeah, And then the second half of that first song 2201 02:21:11,959 --> 02:21:16,360 as it's like amazing, almost like sort of rush like build everything back up. 2202 02:21:16,799 --> 02:21:20,479 It's got these beautiful, you know, dynamics and volume and tempo league 2203 02:21:20,479 --> 02:21:24,639 guitars, those clean vocals you mentioned, which they really mucked with this time, 2204 02:21:24,680 --> 02:21:28,000 Like there's that been in Pretorian Hymn. There's this big climax, there's 2205 02:21:28,000 --> 02:21:31,360 almost like kind of like chanted like trance like part. But there the vocal 2206 02:21:31,360 --> 02:21:35,440 that you were mentioning, Elliott. Their vocal has always had this real like 2207 02:21:35,559 --> 02:21:39,959 strangled horse like high pitched death metal yell, and there are points on this 2208 02:21:39,479 --> 02:21:43,760 where it's like the most twisted it's ever been, while also pushing the most 2209 02:21:43,799 --> 02:21:46,920 of the four it's ever been. And the mid section of Christ appear when 2210 02:21:46,920 --> 02:21:50,520 you get that when I reach out for you, when I stretch my arms 2211 02:21:50,559 --> 02:21:52,520 like all on its own, that's the most horrendous of relied on, like 2212 02:21:52,600 --> 02:21:58,479 a big vocal moment to my memory. And it happens again in the Cult 2213 02:21:58,520 --> 02:22:03,360 of Shadoah, which the main riff of couple Shardoah literally sounds like a hardcore 2214 02:22:03,440 --> 02:22:09,360 fucking bounce part, doesn't it, Like that means stomp on it. I 2215 02:22:09,520 --> 02:22:11,680 was like, if you swap out the tone of that for a drain tone 2216 02:22:11,840 --> 02:22:16,120 or something like, it's uncanny all of a sudden you just want to jump 2217 02:22:16,159 --> 02:22:18,920 on someone's head? Is that a crossover kind of frast hardcore? It basically 2218 02:22:18,959 --> 02:22:22,440 has a mosh call at the end when it goes keep on going in and 2219 02:22:22,559 --> 02:22:26,360 it's like it's like a full like slithery places my favorite someone on the record. 2220 02:22:26,799 --> 02:22:28,319 Yeah, sure, but like it's like it's like a prog death meets 2221 02:22:28,440 --> 02:22:33,959 beat down fucking and it's just as satisfying as like any more basic band that 2222 02:22:35,000 --> 02:22:37,639 you might have heard this year, but it's has so much more ideas going 2223 02:22:37,680 --> 02:22:41,200 on, and so much more that it's bouncing around along with I think it's 2224 02:22:41,200 --> 02:22:43,079 one of my favorite things about it is that you can look at it on 2225 02:22:43,120 --> 02:22:48,239 just a sort of primitive level and it's so inherently satisfying, but it also 2226 02:22:48,360 --> 02:22:54,719 has that kind of dizzy space age wildness that keeps it refreshing on repeat. 2227 02:22:54,760 --> 02:22:58,319 Listen. It's like Neo Leviathan kicks off like pure motor Head. It's mad 2228 02:22:58,399 --> 02:23:01,000 and the riff on that the riff on is like a mix between Venom and 2229 02:23:01,120 --> 02:23:07,159 Cynic and like one of those bands was like incredible musicianship, the other they 2230 02:23:07,239 --> 02:23:09,280 could not play them, They couldn't so much as tune them. And yet 2231 02:23:09,319 --> 02:23:13,600 they've found a middle ground between those two things that feels natural. And then 2232 02:23:13,719 --> 02:23:20,239 Perritician prayer, Tishan him whatever. The hymn song, it's like it's like 2233 02:23:20,639 --> 02:23:26,559 ghost Bath cross with Voivode played slowly. It's such a weird combination. But 2234 02:23:26,600 --> 02:23:30,799 then when those gang vocals coming at the end, this weird, clumsy, 2235 02:23:31,520 --> 02:23:37,280 slightly aimless song just sounds monolithic. Yeah, I don't know how they do 2236 02:23:37,360 --> 02:23:41,920 it. Neil Leviathan has just got such a gonzo physicality to it, like 2237 02:23:43,200 --> 02:23:46,120 the way the bassline is like tapping around all over under that riff that you 2238 02:23:46,200 --> 02:23:50,319 mentioned. It's and they have a really pleasing extreme metal tone where like the 2239 02:23:50,360 --> 02:23:52,200 production is just spot on. There's always with the horrendous. They have some 2240 02:23:52,280 --> 02:23:56,879 of the best like tones in the business right now, and it's it's quite 2241 02:23:56,879 --> 02:24:00,680 a high tone for death mattal where it really allows owls, like again that 2242 02:24:00,719 --> 02:24:05,399 there's a real clarity to it. It's you know, it's like it's a 2243 02:24:05,559 --> 02:24:09,760 sound that almost like it exists in extreme metal and almost what could be like 2244 02:24:09,879 --> 02:24:13,040 seventies classic rock simultaneously. Like for as harsh as they can be, there's 2245 02:24:13,040 --> 02:24:18,680 just a really clear, detectable melodicism through all of it. All of their 2246 02:24:18,719 --> 02:24:20,239 big riffs that hit you first thing, Like again, the title track just 2247 02:24:20,360 --> 02:24:28,520 fucking rocks as well. Yeah, what a fucking rock star tune track is 2248 02:24:28,600 --> 02:24:37,120 rocking loads of riffs like a song called Ontological Mysterium like that is just tranquilizing 2249 02:24:37,200 --> 02:24:41,520 as a concept, but you just feel like smashing up that canteena in Star 2250 02:24:41,600 --> 02:24:46,520 Wars and then it gets to that melodic middle melodic middle section and suddenly it's 2251 02:24:46,559 --> 02:24:50,399 like Panza faust Era Dark Throne if they had more than eight quid to spend 2252 02:24:50,440 --> 02:24:52,959 on recording it, and then back to pommeling you again. It's just fucking 2253 02:24:54,559 --> 02:24:58,840 it's it's baffling again. They had that really quick evolution over their first handful 2254 02:24:58,840 --> 02:25:03,680 of records where they became this very progressive, dethmical band, and I found 2255 02:25:03,680 --> 02:25:07,319 it very encouraging how they were a band who, like I, I liked 2256 02:25:07,799 --> 02:25:13,079 them a great deal and I really liked what they do. But this record 2257 02:25:13,120 --> 02:25:16,239 has surprised me, not necessarily in terms of quality, because I've always thought 2258 02:25:16,239 --> 02:25:18,520 they were fucking great, right, but it has sounds in it, and 2259 02:25:18,639 --> 02:25:22,680 it has it has basically it's evidence that there's still more to come, right 2260 02:25:22,879 --> 02:25:26,360 Like, it's not just they've landed on a thing and that's then now, 2261 02:25:26,399 --> 02:25:31,159 it's like there's still new ideas to be you know, thrown around and blue 2262 02:25:31,200 --> 02:25:35,760 together and you know, like I said, it's it's their most excitable record 2263 02:25:35,040 --> 02:25:41,000 while being on their kind of widest, the spooky nonsense on eggs eggs and 2264 02:25:41,479 --> 02:25:46,399 assists like yeah listen, like sometimes I got and that's somethings like genuine almost 2265 02:25:46,440 --> 02:25:50,479 like Scooby Doo spooky and some of the tones and stuff with the spoken word, 2266 02:25:50,559 --> 02:25:54,040 but like it's it's fun just having these kind of like little offshoot where 2267 02:25:54,040 --> 02:25:58,000 they go into something different like that. The Scooby Doo is a great comparison, 2268 02:25:58,159 --> 02:26:01,799 and it even extends the vocals because he has these super characterful growls. 2269 02:26:03,239 --> 02:26:05,399 But that's when they go up at the end like they're asking questions, because 2270 02:26:07,879 --> 02:26:11,639 that's why it kind of got me the comprising there it is. But imagine 2271 02:26:11,639 --> 02:26:13,840 you know about being goofy and silly. Yeah, he doesn't sound like a 2272 02:26:13,920 --> 02:26:20,360 valley girl or anything. It's just like it's just perfectly like mental, appropriately 2273 02:26:20,440 --> 02:26:24,920 mental for the song they've written. I this is I don't know if it's 2274 02:26:24,920 --> 02:26:28,000 a spoiler for the end of the Year list or anything, but I've not 2275 02:26:28,120 --> 02:26:33,319 been this addicted to a new extreme metal record since maybe the Ash Inspire record 2276 02:26:33,719 --> 02:26:37,520 last year when that came into my life and it was I was listening to 2277 02:26:37,600 --> 02:26:41,639 it two or three times a day for weeks, like for completely different reasons. 2278 02:26:41,959 --> 02:26:45,040 But putting this on, it's just it's a deathmotal record that's like it 2279 02:26:45,159 --> 02:26:50,479 tickles the brain. Yeah, it's it's unbelievably dexterous progressive extreme metal music. 2280 02:26:50,120 --> 02:26:54,040 But it sounds like the people playing it are just authentically right there together as 2281 02:26:54,079 --> 02:26:58,799 a band, having an unbelievable amount of fun playing it, and you know, 2282 02:26:58,920 --> 02:27:03,040 it's it's tasteful and excitable and equal measure, which is a really intricate 2283 02:27:03,079 --> 02:27:05,000 sort of balancing out, like you know, if Cynic really just cut loose 2284 02:27:05,040 --> 02:27:07,479 and let the wind in their hair, like it's a it's a really fun 2285 02:27:07,600 --> 02:27:11,000 time and I recommend you'll check it out. The band are called Horrendous and 2286 02:27:11,120 --> 02:27:16,079 the last album we are coming back to the UK for Celestial Sanctuary and their 2287 02:27:16,120 --> 02:27:20,319 beautifully death metal titled album Insatiable. First for Torment. This is the second 2288 02:27:20,360 --> 02:27:22,280 album from a band who we mentioned a fair bit in terms of just sort 2289 02:27:22,319 --> 02:27:24,399 of like existing in the metal scene in the UK, Like, if you've 2290 02:27:24,399 --> 02:27:28,840 been to a death metal show here, you've probably crossed paths with Celestial Sanctuary 2291 02:27:28,840 --> 02:27:30,879 at some point, because they have been hard at work in the last couple 2292 02:27:30,879 --> 02:27:33,040 of years doing that circuit and getting their name out to as many audiences as 2293 02:27:33,079 --> 02:27:37,200 possible. Sam, you and I have both seen this band like this year 2294 02:27:37,280 --> 02:27:41,959 alone at different shows twice, like twice, Yeah, sure, And this 2295 02:27:41,120 --> 02:27:43,079 is out on I guess quickly before we go into that, like, what 2296 02:27:43,280 --> 02:27:46,680 were your impressions of like just seeing Celestial Sanctuary and being exposed to them. 2297 02:27:48,399 --> 02:27:52,360 I think they are a band who sincerely love death metal and just kind of 2298 02:27:52,440 --> 02:27:56,639 having fun playing it and being as death metal as possible. Yeah, and 2299 02:27:56,719 --> 02:28:01,040 this is out on Church Road Records, and they have been very keen. 2300 02:28:01,120 --> 02:28:05,239 When you say that, they're very authentic and very sort of like no nonsense 2301 02:28:05,280 --> 02:28:07,879 about it. It's like they have been very much flying this flag for a 2302 02:28:09,040 --> 02:28:13,120 new wave of British death metal, which I confess I've always found quite goofy 2303 02:28:13,159 --> 02:28:16,000 and eyrolly, because like literally some of the most influential bands globally in the 2304 02:28:16,079 --> 02:28:20,399 recent history of death metal have been like Grave Miasthma or Cruciamentum. But really, 2305 02:28:20,440 --> 02:28:24,000 what I think that means for our purposes is that they are kind of 2306 02:28:24,040 --> 02:28:28,760 like the UK's answer to Frozen Salt and Undeath and Gate Creeper, like those 2307 02:28:28,840 --> 02:28:31,959 kind of death metal bands across the Pond who doing a more back to basics 2308 02:28:33,000 --> 02:28:35,639 approach of death metal. I found a great deal of popularity. Like we're 2309 02:28:35,639 --> 02:28:39,920 not talking super underground and cavernous here, we are talking straight up smash you 2310 02:28:39,040 --> 02:28:43,440 in your face, no frills death metal. Yeah. I mean this is 2311 02:28:43,479 --> 02:28:46,559 my first time encountering their material, and I've got to say they're one of 2312 02:28:46,559 --> 02:28:54,840 the most comically mismatched band name to sound artists I've seen. In about it, 2313 02:28:54,879 --> 02:28:56,280 we were doing a bang called Celestial Sanctuary, I would just think, 2314 02:28:56,360 --> 02:29:01,159 Okay, Walls in the Throne Room, Cavernus, Black Gays band. Maybe 2315 02:29:01,360 --> 02:29:05,479 I wouldn't think slam adjacent Pitts stirring death metal about it. There's very little 2316 02:29:05,479 --> 02:29:11,040 about this that screams sanctuary like, whereas horrendous like. I think any record 2317 02:29:11,120 --> 02:29:15,600 death metal work is going to suffer the month of that comes out. But 2318 02:29:16,200 --> 02:29:18,520 I think this I can judge it in very different because this scratch is a 2319 02:29:18,639 --> 02:29:24,600 very different issue. Like it isn't simply caveman death metal. It's a lot 2320 02:29:24,639 --> 02:29:28,079 more technically accomplished and brainier than that, but it hits the spot the way 2321 02:29:28,159 --> 02:29:33,079 that does. And listening to this record, I get the impression the guys 2322 02:29:33,120 --> 02:29:37,200 in the band have like one soul aim and it's just to groove and churn 2323 02:29:39,559 --> 02:29:46,200 in a precise way to make you go or if they do that, that's 2324 02:29:46,239 --> 02:29:48,520 a glorious success and they do that the whole time, and they do it 2325 02:29:48,639 --> 02:29:52,399 fucking well. Yeah. I think on their first album I thought, So 2326 02:29:52,479 --> 02:29:56,440 That's Your Sanctuary were pretty fine, like very serviceable hits, a meaty spot. 2327 02:29:56,000 --> 02:30:00,680 The bath sound of what That's Sanctually do is really meat potatoes, like 2328 02:30:00,719 --> 02:30:03,520 in what it sets out to do. This ain't the horrendous album, but 2329 02:30:03,559 --> 02:30:05,959 when this album came through, I did think, Okay, they are picking 2330 02:30:07,040 --> 02:30:09,200 up those fundamentals here and they are hitting even harder with them. Like the 2331 02:30:09,319 --> 02:30:15,079 riffs on this are mener, the production is thicker, the song titles are 2332 02:30:15,200 --> 02:30:18,440 sillier. It's about as like archetypal or modern death metal record as we've heard 2333 02:30:18,799 --> 02:30:22,280 this year. And like sonically, the step up on this album, I 2334 02:30:22,280 --> 02:30:24,639 think it is given their riffs and their tempos, such a renewed punch where 2335 02:30:26,319 --> 02:30:30,079 it gradually crawls into life with all these kind of slimy riffs, but the 2336 02:30:30,159 --> 02:30:35,200 drums and everything sounds so crisp and they really slice through any murk in that 2337 02:30:35,319 --> 02:30:41,280 sounds so slickly and I think there's a way I mean again while being a 2338 02:30:41,360 --> 02:30:45,520 song I never want to say again glutted with chunder it does just throw your 2339 02:30:45,600 --> 02:30:48,319 back, like your head back with that riff. The way the riffs are 2340 02:30:48,399 --> 02:30:54,520 kind of like laid down on this really like just kind of cuts through any 2341 02:30:54,760 --> 02:30:58,280 you know, barriers or anything you might have up. It doesn't have to 2342 02:30:58,319 --> 02:31:01,840 do any major work in terms like balancing an atmosphere with a record or anything. 2343 02:31:01,840 --> 02:31:05,399 It's just like right fucking riff. The production on this record is like 2344 02:31:05,600 --> 02:31:11,760 it's mental, like it's absurdly obnoxious. The volume is maddening, like the 2345 02:31:11,840 --> 02:31:16,520 principle this should be falling praise to the loudness war the whole way through. 2346 02:31:16,680 --> 02:31:20,959 Like there is nothing on this record that is at all quiet, Like nothing 2347 02:31:20,120 --> 02:31:24,239 sits in the background. And it's a fairly clean album, which makes those 2348 02:31:24,319 --> 02:31:28,879 hits that much harder. But you wouldn't want it any other way. I 2349 02:31:28,920 --> 02:31:31,319 don't think when this record goes for the throat like that, like you said, 2350 02:31:31,360 --> 02:31:35,239 like like you mentioned that song, like the crunch on it is, 2351 02:31:35,120 --> 02:31:41,520 it's so fat and like biomineralization for example, Like it's such a fastened, 2352 02:31:41,559 --> 02:31:46,559 swollen song. It's sort of sways and groans under its own weight and like 2353 02:31:46,120 --> 02:31:50,200 lurid glow of a dead burning body. I mean, it's like they're taking 2354 02:31:50,239 --> 02:31:54,760 the piss crunching that hard, Like there's no room for boodle doodle here, 2355 02:31:54,959 --> 02:32:01,159 Like it just cracks and stomps from from second one to the air with no 2356 02:32:01,360 --> 02:32:03,399 mercy, And it's just how hard can they bludge in you with as much 2357 02:32:03,840 --> 02:32:09,120 demented glee as possible? And its like I said, it feels like the 2358 02:32:09,120 --> 02:32:11,840 whole record is oriented towards just one goal. Yeah, No, I like 2359 02:32:13,000 --> 02:32:16,239 this. I think it is. It's not got the sort of as much 2360 02:32:16,360 --> 02:32:20,920 personality and character some of like the current US death metal bands still, say 2361 02:32:20,959 --> 02:32:24,920 like Frozen solom Undeath, But in terms of just like say, just setting 2362 02:32:24,959 --> 02:32:28,559 out as you say, to just be as mean and like nasty and heavy 2363 02:32:28,719 --> 02:32:31,840 with a kind of still a technical mind to it, I think it does 2364 02:32:31,920 --> 02:32:35,559 the job. I think some of the songs going a bit long, and 2365 02:32:35,639 --> 02:32:39,879 I think that they need to kind of, I guess, carve out their 2366 02:32:39,959 --> 02:32:48,440 own real distinct character beyond just kind of nasty crushing death metal. But there 2367 02:32:48,760 --> 02:32:52,000 is there's like really cool moments in here. I need to kind of spend 2368 02:32:52,000 --> 02:32:54,600 a bit more time really getting into the songs individually, but I found this 2369 02:32:54,719 --> 02:32:58,280 just quite as sort of pleasing. Yeah, I want to hear some nasty 2370 02:32:58,360 --> 02:33:01,360 death metal. Yeah, I was the same, and that I was like, 2371 02:33:01,440 --> 02:33:03,920 you know, I didn't necessarily find myself thinking that the record was you 2372 02:33:03,959 --> 02:33:07,559 know, going on particularly long or if like that. It's more like kind 2373 02:33:07,559 --> 02:33:09,520 of in a yea. In the UK, we've got a tradition of bands 2374 02:33:09,559 --> 02:33:13,760 like Discarnate and stuff like that who kind of just do contemporary, well produced, 2375 02:33:15,200 --> 02:33:16,920 just batter you to fuck death metal records, And this is kind of 2376 02:33:16,959 --> 02:33:22,719 continuing in the line of that, where again those drifts they cut through like 2377 02:33:22,920 --> 02:33:28,680 butter just so so much, and like I enjoy how those are able to 2378 02:33:28,760 --> 02:33:33,879 make them feel like some of their best songs to day. Definitely in terms 2379 02:33:33,920 --> 02:33:39,239 like even if the actual hook of something like Chunder isn't necessarily at decipherable, 2380 02:33:39,799 --> 02:33:43,600 it's got like a recognizable chorus part, and I found that it's such a 2381 02:33:43,639 --> 02:33:46,280 funny death metal thing, Like this mix is so high fidelity and so modern, 2382 02:33:46,639 --> 02:33:50,559 but the vocals are like this really far back, husky bellow of a 2383 02:33:50,639 --> 02:33:54,000 thing just being carried over the winds of it. It's like if this was 2384 02:33:54,040 --> 02:33:58,000 a thrash metal record or a metalcore record or something, no chance of that 2385 02:33:58,079 --> 02:34:01,040 being placed where it is, but that sort of it's like far away like 2386 02:34:01,760 --> 02:34:03,319 for a death metal record. It just adds that kind of like you know, 2387 02:34:03,680 --> 02:34:07,879 monster coming out of the ground on the cover thing as opposed to like, 2388 02:34:07,920 --> 02:34:09,440 oh, you know a human screamer. Man. Fine, but like 2389 02:34:09,920 --> 02:34:16,159 the way I just think they rip through generally like swivel eyed and gurning in 2390 02:34:16,200 --> 02:34:18,440 the shadows, which you know forms up for gurning and a fucking definite a 2391 02:34:18,479 --> 02:34:22,399 song title. I do feel like they've just thrown like they've got a list 2392 02:34:22,440 --> 02:34:28,959 of like Narli death metal words, gone right forever, meandering stream of Yeah, 2393 02:34:28,200 --> 02:34:33,680 And I mean I'm cool that because Fluid is a Narli song. Yeah, 2394 02:34:33,799 --> 02:34:35,559 but like that's one of my favorite songs on the record, to be 2395 02:34:35,600 --> 02:34:37,520 honest, to wear it kind of slows things down, gets a bit grander 2396 02:34:37,559 --> 02:34:41,040 at points, a bit more eerie. Yeah yeah, yeah, I agree. 2397 02:34:41,120 --> 02:34:45,399 But then swiveling gurning in the Shadows has that full on birth at the 2398 02:34:45,440 --> 02:34:48,280 start that does it reminds me of like Revocation and bads like that who kind 2399 02:34:48,280 --> 02:34:52,680 of had fused like really recognizable like old schooled churn in the riffing with like 2400 02:34:52,879 --> 02:34:58,239 hyper precise surgical blade style delivery. And I think there are parts on this 2401 02:34:58,360 --> 02:35:00,360 when a fast record kickoff and it does that, I think, I'm just 2402 02:35:00,399 --> 02:35:03,920 like grabbing you by your extremities and yanking you along the pavement behind it. 2403 02:35:05,040 --> 02:35:09,520 And it has that kind of that combination of like you know, full brain 2404 02:35:09,639 --> 02:35:13,559 deadbeat down parts with like that kind of death natal's squeal and queasiness, like 2405 02:35:13,600 --> 02:35:20,360 you know, bio mineralization cell death, those like big crunch moments really pay 2406 02:35:20,440 --> 02:35:22,719 off. And like I a thentually, I agree, And so I think 2407 02:35:22,920 --> 02:35:26,000 if this is to compete on the level of like a Frozen Soul or an 2408 02:35:26,040 --> 02:35:28,760 Undeath, which is clearly the aim, I think they've got it up the 2409 02:35:28,840 --> 02:35:31,799 the hook factor, like the amount of like catchy shout along parts are on 2410 02:35:31,840 --> 02:35:35,399 that new Frozen Soul album. Yeah, that was what I was thinking of. 2411 02:35:35,440 --> 02:35:37,920 The amn't got that and there's not going to individuality to each Yeah, 2412 02:35:37,959 --> 02:35:39,760 and I agree. I think that's the kind of crossover factor that this lacks. 2413 02:35:41,000 --> 02:35:43,920 But I think they've they've made a huge step in the right direction with 2414 02:35:43,040 --> 02:35:46,840 this, with the sonic fidelity, the just excitement in the riff transitions, 2415 02:35:46,920 --> 02:35:50,719 the power in the band, and the impact of those crunches. I would 2416 02:35:50,719 --> 02:35:54,360 have this over I don't know, the Sank with Superbog album this year, 2417 02:35:54,479 --> 02:35:58,200 or like you know, the the Coffin Multure or like another newer newer UK 2418 02:35:58,360 --> 02:36:03,239 band who are pretty good. I think this is a very a very decent 2419 02:36:03,600 --> 02:36:07,319 entred into the kind of current into the current pack. I think we've had 2420 02:36:07,319 --> 02:36:13,200 a particularly good year for death metal so far this year, and in terms 2421 02:36:13,239 --> 02:36:15,600 of very recent stuff, I think maybe if you find the idea of the 2422 02:36:15,639 --> 02:36:18,200 Horrendous record a little bit i rolly, or if Torture rack is too like 2423 02:36:18,600 --> 02:36:22,799 grimy, even though I think that's just as catchy, you know, yeah, 2424 02:36:22,000 --> 02:36:26,120 if Torture acts a bit too club to the head like for you, 2425 02:36:26,479 --> 02:36:30,200 I think this is sort of a healthy middle ground, maybe like an excellently 2426 02:36:30,280 --> 02:36:37,440 realized death metal that isn't completely daft like Torture Rack, but also knows that 2427 02:36:37,799 --> 02:36:39,840 ultimately it's got to feel good, and they do. I think I'd like 2428 02:36:39,879 --> 02:36:43,799 to see these guys sort of maybe opening the main stage at Bloodstock on mid 2429 02:36:43,840 --> 02:36:45,799 afternoon on the Sophie Tee. I'm not really sure I big they are. 2430 02:36:46,040 --> 02:36:52,639 I think with songs this instantly like translatable, I think they could clean up 2431 02:36:52,760 --> 02:36:56,879 in that sort of saying yeah, that's Celestial Sanctuary insatiable first for Torment, 2432 02:36:56,959 --> 02:37:01,600 which is very much how I describe myself. And there is your reviews bag 2433 02:37:01,000 --> 02:37:03,159 for August. We didn't even talk about the new holding Absence that I was 2434 02:37:03,200 --> 02:37:07,719 reminded earlier today is out as this goes out, so I'm sure that will 2435 02:37:07,719 --> 02:37:09,399 continue to do some big things to them. Knew the Armed today out as 2436 02:37:09,399 --> 02:37:13,200 well. We'll see if that's as baffling as our ultrapop was. But loads 2437 02:37:13,239 --> 02:37:16,559 going on and loads of stuff here to tide you over, So let us 2438 02:37:16,600 --> 02:37:18,360 know what you make of all those records we spoke about today. What are 2439 02:37:18,399 --> 02:37:22,120 you loving? Tell us over on the Aasmal Socials. Hyper Blasts will be 2440 02:37:22,239 --> 02:37:26,559 that next week with the releases that we might have missed and any music goes 2441 02:37:26,600 --> 02:37:30,520 down as well, as will our next album club pack for all of those 2442 02:37:30,600 --> 02:37:33,639 kind folks who have chosen to support us over at the Avastmental Patreon, where 2443 02:37:33,680 --> 02:37:35,760 we've had things like the Ages that of Awful go down as well. Can't 2444 02:37:35,760 --> 02:37:39,319 wait to write my Matchbox twenty in a Tiller notes this week. Thanks for 2445 02:37:39,399 --> 02:37:41,040 listening, Let's see you soon