1 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,960 Hi everyone, This is Christina and Carmen and this is another episode of a 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:13,359 Spooky Tale see podcast for All Things Spooky. Sometimes also true crime like right 3 00:00:13,359 --> 00:00:18,320 now, in the past several episodes, several weeks. Yeah, what came 4 00:00:18,359 --> 00:00:21,679 of that poll that you did? What did the people like? I did 5 00:00:21,679 --> 00:00:25,320 a poll on Instagram to ask what people thought of this new format, the 6 00:00:25,359 --> 00:00:28,519 one paranormal case and one true crime case. And yeah, at first it 7 00:00:28,559 --> 00:00:31,440 was fifty to fifteen. I was like, this is not helpful. It 8 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,000 was yeah, exactly fifty to fifty, and then it widened the gap. 9 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:39,240 But in the end more people love true crimes and parormal case. Okay, 10 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,479 I will say, if you don't like the true crime portion, just skip 11 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,640 that part, you know, just yeah, yeah, it's okay, you're 12 00:00:45,679 --> 00:00:50,560 allowed to. Sometimes it's difficult to find a paramal case that's long enough, 13 00:00:50,719 --> 00:00:55,240 like one long case. So that's why once in a while we'll throw in 14 00:00:55,479 --> 00:00:58,759 another, like a true crime case, because yeah, we're running out, 15 00:00:58,799 --> 00:01:04,599 you know, long cases. What about the folklore? Is that all covered? 16 00:01:04,799 --> 00:01:07,920 Is it done now? No? We can always find more in different 17 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,959 cities or countries. There's never there's always more stories that we haven't done. 18 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,599 I just haven't been in super super research mode. I guess I don't know. 19 00:01:15,799 --> 00:01:19,319 Okay, that's what I missed. Yeah, you know what, we'll 20 00:01:19,359 --> 00:01:21,640 do that, we'll do that. Let us know what country you want us 21 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,280 to focus on the folk or of that country that we haven't done. You 22 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,519 know, we've done a lot of us, a lot of Mexico. We've 23 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:32,879 done some South South American countries. Where was the hat guy from the hat 24 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:38,079 Guy? Oh Guatemala? Ahah, Yeah, that was Guatemala. But I'm 25 00:01:38,159 --> 00:01:41,239 sure there's places we haven't done. So yeah, let us know. Obviously 26 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,319 we'll look for something to but yeah, there's definitely folklore out there that we 27 00:01:44,359 --> 00:01:47,480 haven't done, and yeah, it's been a while since we've focused on that. 28 00:01:47,599 --> 00:01:51,159 Those are always fun. Even individual Mexican cities will have a bunch of 29 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,400 stories. So like you know how we did Guadalajara. Oh yeah, that 30 00:01:53,599 --> 00:01:57,879 was fun. Yeah. Yeah, so maybe we'll do that next episode, 31 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,159 you know what, not, maybe let's do it. Actually, we might 32 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:06,519 already have a topic soon, just soon for next episode. Yeah, no, 33 00:02:06,519 --> 00:02:08,479 no, scratch that. I will put the folklore first and then we'll 34 00:02:08,479 --> 00:02:10,800 do the cult because you know what, it's been a lot of back to 35 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:15,000 Extra Crime. I do like cults though, so I know me too. 36 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,759 I love them. It sounds bad, I love learning about them. There, 37 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,039 thank you, Yeah, I do, I do. Before we get 38 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,120 to today's topic, I guess I should let everyone out. Today we are 39 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:30,560 talking about Latin American cases that inspired horror movies, and we have one story 40 00:02:30,599 --> 00:02:34,879 from La Manoplua. But before we get into that, we do have a 41 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,360 listener story. And if you have a story that you want to send into 42 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,599 the podcast, you can email Speaky Tales at gmail dot com. You can 43 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:44,919 say they're no discord. We have a new discord link that actually works, 44 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,159 so you should be able to click on the show notes that it'll take you 45 00:02:47,199 --> 00:02:51,680 there. And that's one option. You can always dm me Spoaky Tales. 46 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,120 I'm the one who runs all the social media, so it'll be me you 47 00:02:53,159 --> 00:02:58,360 talk to, so you can dm us me whatever on Instagram. Yeah, 48 00:02:58,439 --> 00:03:00,719 all of those are options. Okay, So now I have this listener story. 49 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,840 Are you ready? I'm ready? All right? So I don't know 50 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,400 if they want her to stay anonymous, I will keep them anonymous. And 51 00:03:07,479 --> 00:03:10,120 I'm also pretty sure I haven't read it. Okay, I was five months 52 00:03:10,159 --> 00:03:14,879 pregnant with my son at nineteen years old and lived in a little two bedroom 53 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,479 apartment with my then fiance. We had just gotten a kitten we named the 54 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:22,000 Zodiac. I always felt watched in that apartment. One night, I was 55 00:03:22,039 --> 00:03:24,919 getting up to go to the bathroom for the fiftieth time, because that's the 56 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:30,639 choice of pregnancy through that. It was probably around two am. The master 57 00:03:30,719 --> 00:03:34,479 bedroom was in the top left of the room, and I slept in the 58 00:03:34,479 --> 00:03:37,759 bed basically the bottom right of the master bedroom. Okay, we'll get in 59 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,439 a little layout here. That always helps paint the picture doesn't help me because 60 00:03:40,439 --> 00:03:45,280 I have no concept of You're right, I don't know. I don't either. 61 00:03:46,759 --> 00:03:50,280 For those who can imagine this, I'm sure it helps. Hopefully you 62 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:55,240 pictured it. I didn't. I couldn't. I tried, but I couldn't. 63 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,639 On my way back to my side of the bed, I heard deep, 64 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:05,360 weird growling. It terrified me. I was staring at the direction for 65 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:10,479 a minute, and there was nothing. I ran and jumped in bed the 66 00:04:10,639 --> 00:04:13,560 end corner of my side of the bed, sunk down just a bit. 67 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:20,279 Oh God, now that I understood, Yeah right, I screamed and woke 68 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:25,519 up My then fiance. Now ex husband. He said it was probably Zodiac. 69 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,720 The problem was that Zodiac had been sleeping by my pillow the entire time. 70 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,319 Then he said it was probably just me having a realistic dream. I 71 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:36,040 doubt myself all the time, but I remember the fear I had, and 72 00:04:36,079 --> 00:04:40,319 the growl towards me, and then the pressure on the bed. I had 73 00:04:40,319 --> 00:04:43,480 never saved the place so much in my life, and said any prayer I 74 00:04:43,519 --> 00:04:46,199 could find on expelling evil presences. I don't know what happened that night, 75 00:04:46,319 --> 00:04:50,759 but it never happened again. Besides still having the feeling of being watched in 76 00:04:50,959 --> 00:04:55,199 that bedroom. It was such a creepy feeling. I slept with the bathroom 77 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,319 light on for the remaining four months I lived there. I wish I had 78 00:04:58,319 --> 00:05:00,759 got to get a priest involved, but I was not. Nineteen and an 79 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,240 abusive relationship. Lots of issues in my life. If anyone has thoughts, 80 00:05:03,319 --> 00:05:06,879 I'm always open to them. My first thought was a hellhound. I never 81 00:05:06,959 --> 00:05:11,439 really know what I believe in though, Wow, I have no thoughts. 82 00:05:11,759 --> 00:05:15,759 Just scary, just how scary? Yeah that's your only thought? Yeah, 83 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:20,680 I would. I mean the growling definitely makes me think something more, something 84 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:25,560 worse than a ghost, Like, what sinister? Yeah, I'm sinister, 85 00:05:25,639 --> 00:05:27,639 thank you. I was like, what is a word? I'm looking for 86 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,439 something evil because I'm like, a ghost is already scary, but growling no, 87 00:05:31,199 --> 00:05:34,519 yeah, and they're not really known for growling, so that was something 88 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,480 else. Yeah, but you know what, glad you're out of that situation 89 00:05:38,759 --> 00:05:42,480 and away from that apartment. Yeah, that's scary for sure, for sure. 90 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,279 And yeah, and thanks for sending that in. All right, do 91 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,800 you want to kick our episode off now, Carmen? After you were done 92 00:05:48,879 --> 00:05:54,279 yawning? Am I borring? You know? No, I'm just I was 93 00:05:54,319 --> 00:05:58,000 so excited watching the Usher performance and now I'm tired. When it came out 94 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,720 on skates, oh my god, I was like, oh no, Usher, 95 00:06:00,759 --> 00:06:03,839 please don't fall. He's a pro. Apparently I didn't know this. 96 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:11,600 Yeah. I started seeing his skating videos during the pandemic on like twenty twenty. 97 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,319 You know how everyone was skating. Oh I did? I had no 98 00:06:15,399 --> 00:06:18,120 idea. Wow, yeah that's cool. Sometimes I want to start skating, 99 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,920 but I'm like, no, never mind, I I cannot. I was 100 00:06:20,959 --> 00:06:24,279 telling my husband I was like, I wish I could skate like that, 101 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,480 and he just laughed, damn. And I was like, you should skate 102 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,240 like that, because you know how the guy either one or like a couple 103 00:06:29,319 --> 00:06:31,439 guys slid on their heads like the break Nazi move, but on skates. 104 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,759 Yeah. Yeah, I saw that. I was like, wow, okay, 105 00:06:33,759 --> 00:06:36,519 okay, onto our case. Enough about Usher, just one more thing. 106 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:41,399 I loved all of it. I'm never gonna shut up about Usher. 107 00:06:41,639 --> 00:06:45,360 Every time one of his guests came out, I was like screaming. He 108 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,959 was our first CD. He was my first crush, my first everything. 109 00:06:49,319 --> 00:06:54,519 Yeah. Our only poster in our shared room was Usher, Yeah, from 110 00:06:54,680 --> 00:07:00,879 Confessions. So yeah, of course we were over the moon about this performance. 111 00:07:00,879 --> 00:07:02,000 But no, when, yeah, when everyone started came and I was 112 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:03,399 like, oh my god, it's little John and I was like, oh 113 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:08,759 my god, it's ludicrous, Like yeah, yeah, it was amazing, 114 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:13,079 the highlight of today, my year so far, I think, yeah, 115 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,720 yeah, it was. It was amazing. Okay, now I think I 116 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,000 got enough fund of it, or enough you got it out of your system? 117 00:07:19,439 --> 00:07:24,360 Yeah for now? Yeah, Okay, on with this paranormal case. 118 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:29,240 All right, So you and MJ have talked about nowalas before, but just 119 00:07:29,279 --> 00:07:32,319 in case anyone needs a reminder, a nowle is a shape shifting sorcerer, 120 00:07:32,519 --> 00:07:38,120 a brujo who gained the ability to do this, to shape shift by doing 121 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,000 something truly evil or by making a pact with the devil. Of course, 122 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:46,000 before colonization, they were not inherently evil. It was a shaman that had 123 00:07:46,079 --> 00:07:51,120 this ability, and they were usually protectors of nature and animals when they were 124 00:07:51,199 --> 00:07:57,000 beings that kept the balance of the world safe. But now they're evil and 125 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:01,959 they're to be feared Nowile's stories are mostly heard in Mexico, though almost every 126 00:08:01,959 --> 00:08:05,680 culture has a similar belief. Are they called Newalas everywhere else too? Or 127 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,040 do do you know what they're called like in other places here in the US? 128 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,639 I would say they're like those things that must not be named that shape 129 00:08:13,639 --> 00:08:16,360 shift, and there's like a ranch about them. I'm sure you know. 130 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,000 I don't remember if it was one of your episodes or I was listening to 131 00:08:18,079 --> 00:08:20,800 two Girls one ghosts and everyone kept saying that, and I also, what 132 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,279 the fuck is that? It took me forever to figure out what it was, 133 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,920 so I don't think everyone knows. Oh yeah, well, I don't 134 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,959 want to say it. It's a skinwalker, right, yes, okay, 135 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,799 what you said? It up me? It's Okay, I don't believe in 136 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:37,639 most of this, so okay, well, I hope you don't get haunted 137 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,720 because okay, let me take a pause from this story. Well, lying 138 00:08:39,759 --> 00:08:45,000 gonna scare me, Yes, I am. There's one similar story that's not 139 00:08:45,039 --> 00:08:48,480 in Awa, but it's in Chiapas, I want to say, the Chiapas 140 00:08:48,519 --> 00:08:52,440 region. It's the Oh my god, the White Chivo. Oh. I 141 00:08:52,519 --> 00:08:56,240 remember that, And it's a similar, similar, very similar story. And 142 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,399 I repeat the story all the time because I need to warn people. Okay, 143 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:05,440 I would just yeah, I apologize to the world right now and the 144 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,600 universe and whatever, just in case. I am just kidding, but go 145 00:09:09,639 --> 00:09:13,600 on, just sorry, I will. So the Whitchivo is a very similar 146 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:20,399 like a brujo sorcerer that shape shifts into a half animal half man type creature, 147 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,120 and they're like said to be very evil. There's even like a saying 148 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,440 in you know this region of Mexico where they're like, don't go out after 149 00:09:28,519 --> 00:09:31,519 midnight because the white Chivo wanders this area. And when MG and I were 150 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,919 both writing our notes about this, she kept hearing knocking on her apartment window. 151 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,720 She was like on the third floor at this time. I remember that 152 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,120 I mean, come on, how do you explain that? And then like 153 00:09:41,279 --> 00:09:45,679 some of her books would fall over, and then her kids kept having nightmares, 154 00:09:45,879 --> 00:09:48,960 and like I wasn't experiencing anything like that. But on the day before 155 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,960 we recorded, when I finished all my notes, I went to sleep, 156 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,240 and like you know, Carmen, I barely remember my dreams most of the 157 00:09:56,279 --> 00:09:58,919 time. I'm sure I have them, but I don't remember them, and 158 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,639 I don't have a good dream. That night, I had the one of 159 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:07,399 the worst dreams ever. I dreamed that someone broke into our house and then 160 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,960 Kyle, my husband, couldn't like get to the where we keep our gun 161 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,279 fast enough, and then like he was killed in front of me. And 162 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:16,879 then I woke up right before I was killed in my dream. But then 163 00:10:16,919 --> 00:10:20,080 I also, like I think I did a TikTok video about this later about 164 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,279 the same thing. And then I had another dream, and again it was 165 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,639 a very vivid dream. It was very similar, like someone broke into our 166 00:10:26,639 --> 00:10:30,759 house and we were gonna get shot. But then before that happened, there 167 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:35,320 was like this like nefarious deep voice that like laughed and then said, oh 168 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:41,039 haha, you've opened like the window. That's scary, and we can like 169 00:10:41,519 --> 00:10:46,000 talk to you now, and it wasn't Spanish, which is worse. Yeah, 170 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,720 everything's worse in Spanish. Well, sometimes it's better like songs. Yeah, 171 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,360 not when there's a deep growling voice in your fucking dream. Okay, 172 00:10:54,639 --> 00:10:58,200 yeah, well, okay, I just wanted to say it in case there 173 00:10:58,279 --> 00:11:01,320 was people that don't know what it is, because I once was listening to 174 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,759 either you or two girls goes and I said, what the fuck are they 175 00:11:03,759 --> 00:11:07,919 talking about? So just in case, yeah, just in case. Anyway, 176 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,399 just I don't know, be careful when looking these things up because if 177 00:11:11,399 --> 00:11:16,879 you don't believe, like I don't believe in that, and I was horrified. 178 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,200 So I don't say it anymore because I don't know if they're the same 179 00:11:20,519 --> 00:11:24,279 thing. I don't know if nowales why she was and like you know the 180 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,759 word we're not going to say are the same, but they're very similar. 181 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,879 And yeah, one gave me a nightmare and attacked me in my dreams, 182 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:35,600 so gotcha? Gotcha? Well, fingers crossed, let's do a little bit. 183 00:11:37,919 --> 00:11:41,279 Okay, Well or was I the beginning? After you said what? 184 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,840 Nowal was right? So now they're evil? And okay, yeah, because 185 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,480 I asked you what they're called in other cultures. So that's where I was 186 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,919 at. That's what happened. Yeah, this is from a Mano Pelula case 187 00:11:54,159 --> 00:12:00,799 titled Noales from La Cistoia's Maso cultas l Manouda on Spotify. Fortunately, the 188 00:12:00,919 --> 00:12:03,399 name of the caller or the date of the original call or not shared, 189 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,720 So we're just going to give the caller a name. We're gonna call this 190 00:12:07,759 --> 00:12:11,399 color Jose. So Jose tells Juanda One signs that his neighbor Maria Elena, 191 00:12:11,639 --> 00:12:16,440 told him and his mom that nawilis passed by the street. Around three am, 192 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:22,559 they heard oink noises like from pigs, and Maria Elena had put out 193 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,080 mustard seeds in her yard. Was it to feed the pigs, Yeah, 194 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:30,679 to like prove that they were going into her yard or walking by the street. 195 00:12:30,799 --> 00:12:33,240 Oh okay, I see, I see. And then they heard nothing. 196 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,799 Then around five am they saw a man and a woman leaving Marie Elena's 197 00:12:39,279 --> 00:12:43,240 yard. Okay, that's creepy, So now I see what you're So they 198 00:12:43,279 --> 00:12:48,279 saw pigs coming and then they saw people leaving. Yes, and nothing in 199 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:54,799 between. We can assume the pigs were the man and the woman. Yes, 200 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:58,159 okay, no one had entered, just the pics from earlier. And 201 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,080 then the next night the same thing happened, but this time Marielena didn't put 202 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,039 the seeds out. The pigs entered the yard and they left. And then 203 00:13:05,039 --> 00:13:09,360 the night after that it happened again. And Jose saw this when he was 204 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:13,120 ten. At the time of the call, he was like forty something, 205 00:13:13,519 --> 00:13:18,759 so this cemented in his mind that Nowalas were real. But this wouldn't be 206 00:13:18,799 --> 00:13:22,440 his only encounter with Nowalez. When he was a little older, he was 207 00:13:22,519 --> 00:13:26,080 told this story. His mom's side of the family had a small finca where 208 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:31,159 they harvested coffee. All of his uncles and Aunta worked on the farm except 209 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,440 when theo Raoul was an alcoholic. He gambled and he didn't help the family 210 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:39,519 at all. Who doesn't have a t L you know. Yeah, there's 211 00:13:39,519 --> 00:13:43,879 always the Theoud in the family. For some reason, there was a Brujo 212 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:48,200 in the neighborhood that hated the family in the Leger Bruco, but especially Raul. 213 00:13:48,399 --> 00:13:50,919 Maybe he stole his money, I don't know. One night, Raoul 214 00:13:52,039 --> 00:13:56,080 was walking it was late and no one else was out. He heard some 215 00:13:56,159 --> 00:13:58,559 hissing and saw a snake coming toward him. But the weirdest part is that 216 00:13:58,639 --> 00:14:03,240 the snake was standing up straight. Okay, I'm picturing a Harry Potter and 217 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:09,600 sorry, I am being a millenia right now. So the snake was standing 218 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,919 up straight coming at him, and I Will grabbed his pistol and fired at 219 00:14:13,919 --> 00:14:16,480 the snake, and he missed the first few times, but eventually he hit 220 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,120 the snake on the face. And when that happened, the snake turned into 221 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:24,919 a rat and scurried away. I'm sorry, another Harry Potter image. Wow, 222 00:14:26,159 --> 00:14:28,360 do you need to stop? No? But okay, does that not 223 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,919 make you think of what's his name? Okay? Yeah, Peter Pettigrew. 224 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,879 You're right, wow, and you you remember his name, not me. 225 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:41,720 I'm sorry, the characters are ingrained in my brain so very Peter Pettigrew like 226 00:14:43,559 --> 00:14:46,480 scared away. So the next morning I told his mom what happened. She 227 00:14:46,559 --> 00:14:50,399 said, I bet it was that bruquo and they walked from their dan over 228 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:54,159 to town. When they got there, they asked for the bruco and someone 229 00:14:54,159 --> 00:14:56,879 told them, oh, didn't you hear he got home late last night and 230 00:14:56,919 --> 00:15:03,639 he was bleeding from his face. Ew ew and the person said that they 231 00:15:03,679 --> 00:15:05,960 tried to help him, but he died. And they're like, oh, 232 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,960 see him. His body's still in the house. The corner hasn't made it 233 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,240 over yet, so you beat the corner. And so Raoul and his mom 234 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:18,279 went to go look, and yeah, the man was still and no longer 235 00:15:18,279 --> 00:15:24,519 alleged Bruquoa. At this point, the full confirmed capital C confirmed Bruquo was 236 00:15:24,559 --> 00:15:28,960 still in the house, and yeah, that was a Bruquo in a while, 237 00:15:30,039 --> 00:15:33,399 and this man was the snake that Raoul had shot. That's so creepy. 238 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,240 Oh yeah, although it'd be really cool to turn into an animal, 239 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:41,600 I will say I agree. Yeah, when animal would you choose? You 240 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,799 know, when they asked you this as icebreakers, Yeah, what did you 241 00:15:43,799 --> 00:15:48,960 always say? A dog? I think I did, okay, because that's 242 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,159 what I said. Yeah, I mean, why wouldn't I want to be 243 00:15:50,159 --> 00:15:52,919 a dog? I remember in some interviews, like retail jobs, they ask 244 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,399 you this sometimes, and I was like, looking up interview questions, They're 245 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,759 like, never say dog. Everyone says dog. And I was like, 246 00:15:58,759 --> 00:16:00,200 but I legitimately that's what I want to be. I want to be a 247 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,519 dog, but not only I want to be a dog in a rich family 248 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,399 that's well taken care of. I want to be that dog. Yeah, 249 00:16:07,679 --> 00:16:11,480 me too. Whatever. I never changed my answer that it was always a 250 00:16:11,519 --> 00:16:14,320 dog because I'm like, I don't want to be a wolf. I don't 251 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:15,440 want to go out and hunt for my food. I want to be a 252 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,600 dog where I'm walked every day. I want to be taken care of. 253 00:16:19,039 --> 00:16:25,600 Yeah, where I'm fed, I'm giving treats, I'm petted. I get 254 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,840 to sleep in the bed. Yeah, on the couch, every couch, 255 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:34,000 get little outfits, go out every day, maybe twice a day, for 256 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,120 real, that's the life. Someone throws up my water bowl. I don't 257 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:38,840 have to fill up my water bowl. Yeah, I don't have to do 258 00:16:38,879 --> 00:16:45,159 anything except wag my tail and relax. That's what I would do, hands 259 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,080 down. I would be a dog. I wouldn't even turn back into my 260 00:16:48,159 --> 00:16:52,639 human form, honestly, Yeah, I think that I would only like, 261 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,639 like, if I wanted a new family, then I would like turn into 262 00:16:55,679 --> 00:16:59,039 a human leave and then I would find a new family. But if I'm 263 00:16:59,039 --> 00:17:00,679 being well taken care of, there's no reason for a new family either. 264 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,000 So I would just stay a dog forever. Yeah, unless I needed to 265 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:07,400 fly. Then I could just turn to a bird, and then I would 266 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:08,960 go somewhere else, and then I think that dog I was missing, but 267 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:14,000 then I had to come back. Okay, this has gone far enough. 268 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,400 All Right, We're gonna do it. What to do Albrek, and then 269 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:22,200 we'll be back. Welcome to our Hunted Break. We just want to give 270 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:29,079 a shout out to our newest Patreon members Claudia Archer and Marlene thank you so 271 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,640 much for joining the Orles series. 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Aside, I was talking about being 289 00:19:02,519 --> 00:19:06,400 a dog so much I forgot about that story. You know what we needed 290 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:10,880 that? We needed that because that's truly creepy. Okay, So yeah, 291 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,920 Latin American cases that inspired horror movies which I have no idea so the first 292 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,440 one and I have not seen this movie either, but the movie Borderland a 293 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:26,680 Frontera was released March two thousand and seven. It stars Brian Presley. Writer 294 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,359 Strong, Betto Cuevas, and Marta Igarida. I don't know these people. 295 00:19:30,519 --> 00:19:33,440 Were you gonna look them up? Oh? Writer Strong, I think he 296 00:19:33,519 --> 00:19:38,200 looks familiar. I think I've seen him writers Strong, writer from Boy Meets 297 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,839 World. Oh, no, wonder he looks familiar. I never watched Boy 298 00:19:41,839 --> 00:19:45,119 Meets World. Actually, me and me neither. I've only seen like clips 299 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,440 here or there. I know who they are, but yeah, I've never 300 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,079 seen it. I think he's the only one I know. Yeah, I 301 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,759 want to say that is the only person that I know for sure. I 302 00:19:52,799 --> 00:19:57,680 did see apparently Sean Aston is in the movie Sean Austin. Yeah, he's 303 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:03,519 from the Goonies and he's also and then god, what is that movie Lord 304 00:20:03,559 --> 00:20:06,440 of the Rings. He's in Lord of the Rings. I think is any 305 00:20:06,559 --> 00:20:08,160 like Frodo or some shit. I don't know anything about Lord of the Rings. 306 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,400 I don't know another movie I haven't seen. No one come for me. 307 00:20:11,599 --> 00:20:15,319 I refuse to watch them. It's just too late. Now. I 308 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,799 feel the same way about Game of Thrones, like it's too late, the 309 00:20:18,839 --> 00:20:22,640 moment has passed. Yeah, I'm never watching it anyway. So that's the 310 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,000 cast of the movie Borderland. So the movie is about three college graduates who 311 00:20:26,039 --> 00:20:30,640 were in Galveston, Texas and joined the Beach. Then they decided that wasn't 312 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,599 fun enough, and they're like, we're gonna go to downtown Mexico and that's 313 00:20:33,599 --> 00:20:38,200 where the real party is going to be at. Yes, so yeah, 314 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,680 that's gonna be more fun and then they can do more illegal things over there. 315 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,359 I guess is what they said. Their words, not mine. This 316 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,240 does not go well and what are the main characters? Phil falls in love 317 00:20:49,319 --> 00:20:56,000 with a barely legal sex worker, problematic and she has a child, And 318 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:00,319 there's seen in the movie where Phil walks away from his friends and he goes 319 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,920 to buy a Teddy Bear for the child, and instead he gets kidnapped by 320 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,000 the cartel. As things tend to happen, you know. The next morning, 321 00:21:07,279 --> 00:21:11,400 two of the friends and the friend group realized that Phil was missing, 322 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,480 and they investigate his whereabouts. And we're not going to spoil the movie for 323 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,680 anyone who hasn't watched it. I'm not gonna watch it, but yeah, 324 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:22,519 neither. It's revealed that Phil was abducted by a drug dealing cult that practices 325 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:27,599 in an ancient African diaspor religion called Palo Mayomb which is confused with Santa Riola, 326 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:32,319 which also is very This is like a fake, perverse version of Palo 327 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,759 Mayombe, I will also add, and he was being held captive with a 328 00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:40,079 cult plan to make feel a human sacrifice for their nyanga, which is an 329 00:21:40,279 --> 00:21:45,559 iron cauldron that is inhabited by spirits and it makes wishes come true. And 330 00:21:45,599 --> 00:21:48,799 again that's like a twisted version of it. Really, it's like a ritual 331 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,240 for luck or whatever, not to make wishes come true, like it's like 332 00:21:52,279 --> 00:21:56,119 any prayer. Really. So the cult hope that by sacrificing Phil, the 333 00:21:56,799 --> 00:22:02,519 spirits in the nyanga would make sure that their drug deals, that their drugs 334 00:22:02,519 --> 00:22:06,119 would make it into the US without being detected by border police. I think 335 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,720 I know the cases is based on I think you do. I think you 336 00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:12,000 do, because now we're going to get into that case. And when Dawn 337 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,119 was telling me about it, I was like, oh wait, I think 338 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,240 I know this case. Yeah, yeah, So now onto the case that 339 00:22:18,319 --> 00:22:23,039 inspired the movie. Adolfo the Hissou's Constenso was born in Miami, Florida to 340 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,400 Cuban parents. His mother immigrated from Cuba and then had him when she was 341 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,920 fifteen then they moved to Puerto Rico. This was after the death of his 342 00:22:32,039 --> 00:22:37,480 father and he was raised in a Catholic household, but his mom took him 343 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,720 to Haiti a lot because she was learning about voodoo apparently interesting. Yeah, 344 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,440 So then they moved back from Puerto Rico to Miami, and then he started 345 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:52,119 helping a local practitioner of Palo Mayombe and that's who introduced him to that religion. 346 00:22:52,319 --> 00:22:56,799 And like I said a little earlier, Bayo Malombe and Santa Ria, 347 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:02,200 they're confused a lot, but they're not thing. They're a West African derived 348 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:08,000 religion with components of Catholicism. Both involved the ritual use of non human skeletal 349 00:23:08,079 --> 00:23:14,599 remains. Keyword there, yeah, keyword non human. Yes. Also, 350 00:23:14,759 --> 00:23:19,200 some people like all religions, which way it feels like I'm like over justifying 351 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,359 this or whatever or explaining, but like every religion has good and bad people, 352 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:27,119 right, So there's some people that are practitioners of Palomayombe that do use 353 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:32,480 human skeletal remains to place in that you know iron cauldron that we mentioned earlier, 354 00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:37,799 But that's not the norm. The norm is non human skeletal remains. 355 00:23:37,599 --> 00:23:44,279 This religion. It's nature based and again not always evil, even though you 356 00:23:44,319 --> 00:23:49,880 know vuruo Ism, santeria palomayombe. They're always depicted as like evil and they're 357 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:55,519 usually like in TV shows and movies, right something evil. So again they're 358 00:23:55,559 --> 00:23:57,359 not always evil. I just I just need to say that again. Okay, 359 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:03,559 back to got married again after his stepfather died. Everyone is just dying 360 00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:10,559 around this woman could be heard. I don't know. Maybe so his stepfather 361 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:15,160 died and her new husband was another practitioner. I don't know another person that 362 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,240 practiced Balo mayombe and he was also a drug dealer. Okay, okay, 363 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:23,759 So the neighbors often complained of dead animals being left at their door after they 364 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:29,960 argued with like either his stepfather or his mom. Okay, that's a little 365 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,039 scary. So it's a little threatening. Yeah, that's a little yeah, 366 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,960 I would be scared. One could interpren that as a threat. Yeah, 367 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:42,200 for sure. The floors of their apartment was also covered in blood and feces. 368 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,400 At some point, his mom was arrested for having twenty seven animals in 369 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:51,119 their small apartment. So not the healthiest, one could say. Yeah. 370 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:56,359 In nineteen eighty four, Adolfo moved to Mexico City and this is where he 371 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,440 began his cult and he gained his first two followers here, set up a 372 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:06,039 spell casting business and he became popular with the local drug dealers. That's interesting, 373 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,440 yeah, and hitmen and corrupt policemen. That was his client base. 374 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:15,039 These corupt policemen connected adultful to Rich Cartel's who. They were like, you 375 00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:18,720 know what, you can use his spells. They're going to bring you good 376 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:26,079 luck in your drug deals. So they connected, they were networking. His 377 00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:32,880 initial initial ritual sacrifices included chickens, goat, snakes, and exotic animals like 378 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,440 zebras and lions. I don't like that. Zebra's and lions. Yeah, 379 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,240 no, these animals have been through enough. I know. I agree. 380 00:25:40,319 --> 00:25:44,400 Then his group, his Cult to Whatever, started to grave rob so they 381 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,920 could use human remains in their sacrifices and they believe this would make their spells 382 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,440 stronger. But somehow this wasn't enough, and they took it a step further 383 00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:56,200 and began to sacrifice humans. So they were no longer using people that were 384 00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,519 already dead, they were killing them. Well escalated, Oh yeah, I 385 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:07,559 did. Around this time, Adolfo met Sara Maria Aldrete Villareal, and she 386 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:14,319 was connected to the Hernandez Brothers cartel. Sara was born in nineteen sixty four. 387 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,519 She grew up in a middle class family in Mata Moros, Tamaulipas, 388 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:22,400 Mexico. She attended high school in college in Brownsville, Texas, and then 389 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:27,319 she introduced Adolfo to Elio. He was the leader of the Hernandez Brothers cartel, 390 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:32,799 and he believed that Adolfo's rituals were the reason that his cartel was doing 391 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,400 good. They were, I don't know, getting more money, more drugs 392 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,440 into the US, whatever, they were succeeding their business. Things were going 393 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:45,519 well, yeah, for his cartel. And so this is when Adolfo became 394 00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:51,599 part of the cartel and the cartel became central to his cult. They became 395 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:56,119 one one the same, I guess yeah. And so he became what they 396 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,960 called their high priest or Padrino, and Sara became high priestess or Madrina. 397 00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:06,759 In total, maybe around twenty victims were sacrificed by the cult, most of 398 00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:11,920 them were Mexican. Until they abducted and murdered American student Mark Kilroy in nineteen 399 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:17,559 eighty nine, and this is when it really mattered because he was an America. 400 00:27:17,759 --> 00:27:21,079 Yeah, it didn't matter before before that, no, really non issue. 401 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:26,519 Yeah uh huh. Everyone they had sacrificed went unnoticed. So Mark Kilroy 402 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,400 was a pre med student. He was having a super fun spring break with 403 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,240 three of his friends. They planned to spend their days partying at the beach, 404 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,680 bar hopping, and then going south of the border during the night. 405 00:27:37,319 --> 00:27:42,119 And Mark Kilroy was taking one night while he stood outside of a bar in 406 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:48,480 Matamos, and he was taken to Rancho Santa Elena. And this is where 407 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,599 Adolfo and his colts carried out most of their ritualistic murders and where they stored 408 00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:57,440 their drugs. Mark's abduction would have gotten noticed like the rest of the colt 409 00:27:57,559 --> 00:28:03,519 sacrifices if he weren't into American and if it weren't for his uncle, because 410 00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:07,680 his uncle was a special agent with US Customs. He was like active in 411 00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:12,519 the disappearance. He reported him missing, and he was really active in like 412 00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:18,839 trying to figure out what happened. Mexican authorities were being pressured by Texas politicians 413 00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:22,559 in Texas who urged them to locate Mark. Again. It wouldn't have mattered 414 00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:26,160 to them, hmm. But because Mark was white and American and had these 415 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,039 connections, it didn't matter. And obviously all these killings are wrong from the 416 00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:36,599 beginning, but that's when it became a national issue. Mexican police uncovered Mark's 417 00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:41,640 body at the ranch. They also found the cult Nyanga that cauldron and in 418 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,680 the cauldron, and they found a dead black cat, a human brain, 419 00:28:45,119 --> 00:28:51,039 and other items yanks. Altogether, there were fifteen bodies found at the ranch, 420 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:56,400 and the officials say that the group, the cult and whatever the cartel 421 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,400 abducted Mark because they needed a superior brain for one of their rituals. So 422 00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:03,720 they needed his because he was like a med student. He was like smarter 423 00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:08,200 than their other Mexican victims. Mark was killed with the machete when he tried 424 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,519 to escape, and that is what that movie is based on. Yikes. 425 00:29:12,759 --> 00:29:17,720 Yeah, yeah, terrible, but they were caught and everything. Oh yeah, 426 00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:22,440 okay, So the second case this movie, and I'm sure everyone knows 427 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,920 this movie, but I haven't seen it. Silence of the Lambs. I 428 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,640 haven't seen it either. You haven't seen it either, No, Yeah, 429 00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:33,000 I'm not surprised. But it was released January nineteen eighty one. It stars 430 00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:38,160 Anthony Hopkins and Jody Foster. And yeah, again, almost everyone knows the 431 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,880 movie exists, but like, we've never seen it. I did not know 432 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:47,720 it was inspired by a Mexican true crime case, though that I had no 433 00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:52,240 idea about me neither, So yeah, let's get into it. It centered 434 00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:56,160 around Jodi Foster's character, Clarice Starling. She's a young FBI trainee and she's 435 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,480 hunting a serial killer named Buffalo Bill. And and in the movie, Clarice 436 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:07,680 turned to a prisoner and former psychiatrist, doctor Hannibal Lecter for his help to 437 00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:14,079 find Buffalo Bill because he himself is a brilliant psychiatrist and a cannibalistic serial killer. 438 00:30:14,279 --> 00:30:18,799 Okay, I don't think I knew that he was also a psychiatrist. 439 00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:21,599 I thought he was just a serial killer. Oh I didn't know that. 440 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:26,279 Yeah. Yeah, he's supposed to be the super smart sociopath and he's like 441 00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:29,519 messing with her the whole time, and it's like this battle of the I 442 00:30:29,519 --> 00:30:33,519 don't know, intelex or whatever typical. Honestly, it sounds like a movie 443 00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:36,440 that we should like. I just have never seen it. Yeah, maybe 444 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,880 I should watch it. There's a show too. M m m hmmm. 445 00:30:40,039 --> 00:30:44,720 They also haven't watched the movie and the character of Hannibal Lecter It was inspired 446 00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:52,240 by a Mexican doctor named Alfredo Bali Trevigno, and he was a former surgeon 447 00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:56,240 from an upper class family in Monterrey, Mexico. He was also the last 448 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,839 criminal to have been sentenced to death in Mexico Go. He is suspected of 449 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:07,160 killing and is membering several hitchhikers between the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties, but 450 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,319 this was never proven. The thing he was actually caught for was killing his 451 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:18,279 colleague and former boyfriend, Hesus Castillo Rangjell during an argument. Oh an x 452 00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:22,759 and a colleague. Mm hmm yeah, durrama. Well obviously horrible, actual 453 00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:30,440 horrible tragy. Yeah, no, for sure. According to court documents, 454 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,920 Alfredo went to visit Hesus, who was also a doctor, hence the colleague, 455 00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:37,279 and so alfreda went to visit him because he was collecting some money that 456 00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:42,839 Hesus was going to let him borrow because was going through some financial troubles. 457 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,920 But when Hassus gave him the money, it was a lot less than Alfredo 458 00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:51,640 was expecting, and when he demanded more. Hesus refused, and so then 459 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:56,319 he killed him. He took a scapel to Hesus's throat and then that didn't 460 00:31:56,359 --> 00:32:00,799 immediately kill him. So then Alfredo drags him to the back room and this 461 00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:04,759 is where he finished killing him. I'm not gonna share the details. So 462 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:12,319 then he called Hesus's former driver and friend, Francisco Real, for help getting 463 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,519 rid of the body of Hesus. This was Hesu's former friend and driver. 464 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,880 Yes, so like, what a fucking friend, right? Wow? Yeah, 465 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,960 I would never help bury my friend's body if my friend's boyfriend, who 466 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,640 I already didn't like for reasons unknown, because you felt the vibes. That's 467 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:35,720 why you knew the vibes were off from the beginning for sure, called me 468 00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:37,480 and said, hey, help me bury friend. I'm like, no, 469 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,359 what the fuck, I'm calling the police. I'm like, tell me where 470 00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:44,720 you are. I'll be right there, and then on my second phone, 471 00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:49,640 nine one one, bitch. Seriously, that's what Francisco should have done, 472 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,480 but he didn't do that. They went over to his uncle's house and borrowed 473 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:58,640 a shovel. God, and then when they left with the shovel, the 474 00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:01,039 uncle Gula Lupe. Yeah, was like, something's wrong, and he was 475 00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:06,799 the one who contacted police officers. Okay, but they had dismembered and buried 476 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,839 Jesus. Well, thank you for Lupe. Yeah, seriously. And so 477 00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:17,920 Judge Marco Antonio Leja Moreno sentenced Alfredo to death. But at this time the 478 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,000 laws in Mexico were changing and they were doing a way with the death sentence, 479 00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:29,720 so Alfredo was charged with twenty years to life instead. Okay. So 480 00:33:29,839 --> 00:33:34,240 then in the nineteen sixties, Thomas Harris, and he is the author of 481 00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:37,079 the book that inspired the Silence of the Lambs. Maybe I should read that. 482 00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:39,279 Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what the book is like, 483 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,000 I've never read it. I think it's called Red Dragon and it's a 484 00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:45,599 series. Oh you know what I heard, the first book was good and 485 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:51,559 then afterwards he started doing too much and that it wasn't good. I think 486 00:33:51,599 --> 00:33:53,960 that's what I heard. Okay. So he's the author and at the time 487 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,079 in the nineteen sixties, he was a young reporter and he was assigned to 488 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,000 interview a mental patient at the Novo Leon Stay prison for the magazine he worked 489 00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:07,200 for. And this presence in Monterrey, he was supposed to go interview a 490 00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:13,400 mental patient that was there by the name of Dike's Askew Simmons and Dike Ascue. 491 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:19,039 Simmons had killed three children, but during the scheduled session to interview Dike's, 492 00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,320 Dikes tried to escape. Dikes was shot by a guard while he was 493 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:27,039 trying to escape, and then a man came in and helped save Dikes's life 494 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,480 and he introduced himself as a doctor to Thomas Harris. And so then Thomas 495 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,320 Harris was like, well, I guess I'll interview him, because like I 496 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,760 need to interview someone. I'm already here. I'm not gonna want to lose 497 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:43,360 this assignment. He interviewed the doctor. They talked about how the doctor treated 498 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,639 the gunshot wounds stopped bleeding, how we saved Diyke's life right, And then 499 00:34:47,079 --> 00:34:52,159 the interview took kind of a dark turn that left the bad taste in Thomas 500 00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:58,719 Harris's mouth because the doctor was like starting he started to ask about Dike's victims, 501 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,039 like like, oh, he had he killed children, right, and 502 00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:07,000 then he was like wanting details and like almost like he was savoring the details, 503 00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:10,159 enjoying the details of the crime. So Thomas, yeah, very ill. 504 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:15,039 Thomas entered the interview and then he was walked out by the prison warden. 505 00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:19,480 He was like, the vibes are off. Yeah. When Thomas was 506 00:35:19,519 --> 00:35:22,679 walking out with the prison warden, he asked the prison warden how long the 507 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:28,119 doctor had been working there. That he seemed a little strange, but overall 508 00:35:28,159 --> 00:35:30,199 he was like, well, he saved someone's lives, so he must be 509 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,719 good. And I mean he's working here right then the warning was like, 510 00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:38,039 ore, don't you know who that is? That doctor is a murderer. 511 00:35:38,239 --> 00:36:00,480 Waits STUPIDO says man So matala wait, way is that the terrible That's basically 512 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,320 what he said. So he said that doctor is a murderer. As a 513 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,960 surgeon, he would pack up his victim in a small box. Oh my 514 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,559 god. And so he's like he's never leaving this place. He's insane. 515 00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:15,880 I'm sorry, I'm still laughing. Just imagine You're like, oh, but 516 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,360 he has to be a good person. If he helped that guy, blah 517 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:24,320 blah, dude, he's a killer. I would have thrown up, like 518 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:29,639 and it's just what a thing to go through. So naturally, Thomas Harris 519 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,679 was like what the hell, Like, what are you serious? Because he 520 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:37,320 the doctor was charming until he then started wanting a little to being weird. 521 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:42,960 Yeah, but still he like fooled this journalist and he was like, what 522 00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:50,320 the I'm I'm scared. I am bamboozled and afraid. Bamboozled and afraid new 523 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:55,519 sticker. So just like Hannibal Lecter, Afrello was known in prison for being 524 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,119 very charming, well mannered, and having impeccable tape psych At this time, 525 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:05,320 it was a mental institution, so there wasn't uniforms. He wore light colored 526 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,159 suits, shades, He had expensive watches like he dressed to fancy. He 527 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:15,679 spoke very intelligently. No wonder he thought he'd worked there. Yeah, one 528 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,920 hundred percent. It reminds me sorry to bring a Bones again. But there's 529 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:22,719 an episode of Bones where they go into an institution like this, and you 530 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:27,519 know, Bones is always like talking shit about psychology, and so she's in 531 00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:30,920 this hospital talking about psychology like like she tends to do, and there's like 532 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:35,840 a crisis going on, and so the actual doctor that works at that place 533 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,599 and Booth got to help that patient that's having a problem, and she stays 534 00:37:38,599 --> 00:37:44,960 behind, and then another psychiatrist walks up to her and they have the smartest 535 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:50,079 conversation. She's like, Wow, I should rethink my judgment of the psychiat 536 00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:52,159 tree Field. And then the other psychiatrist comes. He's like, oh you 537 00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:58,239 met patient blah blah blah, and she's like what. It's literally that situation, 538 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,440 Yeah, yeah, only worse because it was real. Yeah, and 539 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:06,719 it shook his core. Thomas Harris shook his core so much that he was 540 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:12,239 inspired to create the character of Hannibal Lecter based on his meeting with this doctor 541 00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:15,480 and yeah, I get it the similarities. He also based the whole This 542 00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:20,280 doctor was not accused of being accountable, but he did. He was accused 543 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,039 of cutting people in small pieces and putting them in boxes, and he took 544 00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:30,599 that directly into the movie, like horrifying stuff. So the doctor he Alfredo. 545 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,000 He did leave prison in the nineteen eighties because they had a twenty year 546 00:38:35,039 --> 00:38:37,440 sentence. It wasn't like that was a maximum. It wasn't like he was 547 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,400 in there for life. So he got out and he was an old man 548 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,840 at this point in a wheelchair, he couldn't walk anymore, and Thomas Harris 549 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:49,760 visited him again and he wanted to talk about the crimes that were tied to 550 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,440 him, the killing of all these hitchhikers that was never proven. It was 551 00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:55,400 just like he might have done it, but we don't have evidence. And 552 00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:00,519 Alfredo told him, like, if you want, we can talk about anything 553 00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:04,119 you'd like, except for that. I don't want to relive my dark past. 554 00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:06,760 I don't want to wake up my ghosts. It's very hard. That 555 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,440 pass is heavy, and the truth is that the angst I have isn'tbearable. 556 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:14,719 I can't live with it. And he told Thomas, like, I paid 557 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,400 for what I did. Now my only purpose is to help others. And 558 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:22,480 he in his wheelchair was treating patients for almost no mony in this like low 559 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:27,960 income neighborhood, and his only goal was to never stop working and then he 560 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,760 wanted to walk again. He died of prostate cancer in the beginning of two 561 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:36,119 thousand and nine, and he was still never tried or convicted for the other 562 00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:38,360 murders that were tied to him. But yeah, that is the case. 563 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,800 I guess he was your rehabilitated. Yeah, I think so. Also, 564 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,599 my camera's going to be offering this portion my child sitting with me. That's 565 00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:49,000 who I'm waving at. Yeah, that is who Carmen is waving out. 566 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,679 Yeah, I mean he must have felt, you know, remorseful and hopefully 567 00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:58,480 he didn't continue killing during this time. But yeah, horrifying that he inspired 568 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,199 this terrible, very creepy character. Yeah, very creepy. And I guess 569 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:10,800 this brings us to the end of the episode that it does any do you 570 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,199 have any spooky recommendations? Oh, I'm just gonna ask you. I actually 571 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:21,000 I do. I it's more of don't give them the MiG now true crime 572 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:28,239 as in the survivor of a crime type media recommendation. I've been reading My 573 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,639 Name by Chanelle Miller. I believe that's her last name. Who is the 574 00:40:32,679 --> 00:40:39,920 survivor of the assault committed by Brock Turner. We all know who that is. 575 00:40:40,039 --> 00:40:45,079 I'm not done yet. I'm like in chapter I'm almost done. I 576 00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:46,760 have like two chapters left, I think, and at the end is the 577 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:51,360 impact statement that she gave. But it's such a powerful book. There's nothing 578 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,639 I love more than a good memoir. And to hear survivors tell their stories 579 00:40:54,719 --> 00:41:00,159 like it's amazing, and she writes so beautifully. It is a heartless and 580 00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:05,039 though like very emotional. Yeah, I ben it's really it's a really good 581 00:41:05,079 --> 00:41:07,599 book though, I really recommend it. I'll have to check it out for 582 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,400 my library. Oh okay, there goes my light. I'm listening to it 583 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:14,599 on Spotify. Oh okay, yeah. Oh, but if you do listen 584 00:41:14,599 --> 00:41:16,199 to the audiobook, I know that you always beat books up. She does 585 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,719 read very slowly, even I spread it up, and I don't like doing 586 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,280 that. Oh okay, that's good to know. And it sounds like normal, 587 00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:25,199 and I put it in one and a half and then it sounds normal 588 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:29,480 to me. But it's almost poetic and the way that she writes, but 589 00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:30,960 not overly poetic, like I don't know if I'm explaining that right, but 590 00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:35,320 it's just beautiful, like I want to buy it just so I could read 591 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,880 it also written, not only listen to it. Okay, yeah, I'll 592 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,960 have to check it out. I'll have to check it out. I actually 593 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,320 have a speaker recommendation today. Okay, I've been listening to this. I 594 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,599 know not a lot of maybe not everyone is a fan of audio dramas. 595 00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:50,880 Once in a while, I find a really good one. You don't like 596 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,239 them, no, no, I know, I do though. This one 597 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:57,880 is called Agents Stoker, and it's like think X Files. But the guy 598 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,519 gets drunk a lot as he drinks a lot. He doesn't actually get drunk 599 00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:02,880 in the audio drama. That would be weird. I figured it. But 600 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:08,599 yeah, it's just like a supernatural thriller. They're investigating like paranormal cases in 601 00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:13,159 this like agency that is like secret. Oh my god, like the show 602 00:42:13,559 --> 00:42:17,079 with what's his name? Oh yeah, there's only like two seasons. Oh 603 00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:21,079 so not funny. Yeah, the one with the guy from the Office and 604 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,599 Ben from Yatton rec Yeah, yeah, garyl from the Office. I think 605 00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:29,440 it's called Ghosted. Yeah, I think so that was a fun show. 606 00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:32,599 I'm so mad. There's only two seasons. That was very fun a very 607 00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:37,239 fun watch. Less funny, so really think more like X Files more serious. 608 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:42,239 Oh okay, but it's got an amazing cast. Emily Deschanel. Oh, 609 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,880 another guy who's like a creepyck Like he plays a creepy guy in Bones 610 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:50,000 for like three episodes. He's the main guy. I honestly thought it was 611 00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:52,639 Hotch from Criminal Minds. His voice is very similar. Oh he sounds that 612 00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:57,800 way. Yeah, and other like professional voice actors. Maybe I'll check it 613 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,320 out. I don't know. It sounds good, it is. I have 614 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,440 been enjoying it. The episodes are like twenty ish minutes. They put all 615 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,920 their ads in the front too, so that once you skip them, you're 616 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,960 a good It just continuous. Oh that's cool. But yeah, it's very 617 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,480 fun. I'm in the second season. I'm hoping there's gonna be a third 618 00:43:13,519 --> 00:43:17,119 season. I didn't check when the second one came out. But oh, 619 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:22,360 Tamara Taylor, who's also in Bones, I don't remember. She's Cam in 620 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:27,719 Bones the Pathologists. Oh wait, never mind. As many of you know, 621 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,920 I've been rewatching. I've been obsessed with Bones like the past two yea 622 00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:35,239 you have. I was very excited when I found this audio drama. It's 623 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,079 very good. Oh Cam, yes, I sorry, just googled her? 624 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,800 Yeah, oh you looked her up? Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, 625 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,679 I'll put her image in this part of the video so that people know. 626 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:49,559 But yeah, stellar, stellar sound design, stellar voice acting. Because I 627 00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:54,119 think that's some of the things that puts people off when listening to, especially 628 00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:59,480 like indie ones, like maybe the voice acting is not there. That's not 629 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,079 a thing that me a lot. So is it like listening to like how 630 00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:06,239 I when you listen to the to the book. Because I don't even like 631 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,239 really listening to fiction books like audio books. I only like listening to memoirs 632 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:16,960 or nonfiction books. But I did listen to what's that one book? By 633 00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:22,320 the first one? Yeah, I listened to that one, and I did 634 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,519 enjoy listening to that one. Is it similar to that? Well, yeah, 635 00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:30,000 you're like listening to a show. H Okay, yeah, you're it's 636 00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:32,840 a voice active So it's a good TV show in your ears. Okay, 637 00:44:34,199 --> 00:44:37,480 I could check it out. It sounds interesting. Yeah, I highly recommend 638 00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:39,480 it. It was very fun. I just finished the second season, so 639 00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:44,440 I'm hoping there's more episodes. And that was again Agent Stoker And yeah, 640 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:45,840 I guess now this is the end of the episode. Yeah, all right, 641 00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:52,039 thanks Carmen for joining me today, and thanks everyone for listening. 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