WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:08.480 You're listening to KFI on demand vern Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hey, 2 00:00:08.480 --> 00:00:10.640 how's it going. It's going well. How can I help you? 3 00:00:12.119 --> 00:00:20.000 Well? I was raised Catholic, My mom was really religious. I was 4 00:00:20.039 --> 00:00:25.079 always an agnostic from an early age. Never very religious or spiritual though, 5 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:30.000 but I always just kind of lived by the teachings of Jesus. I couldn't 6 00:00:30.039 --> 00:00:34.359 help, you know, it's just who I am. But lately I've been 7 00:00:34.399 --> 00:00:39.719 finding I want to be religious or more spiritual, okay, and I just 8 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:43.719 can't do it. It's not in me. It's it's like my default is 9 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:49.439 to just be agnostic or even atheist. I don't know, okay, but 10 00:00:49.679 --> 00:00:56.359 my mom has Alzheimer's and Simon's. That's really what brought it on. Like, 11 00:00:56.560 --> 00:01:00.240 I feel like I need something more because to see here like this, 12 00:01:00.840 --> 00:01:04.680 she was basically a saint, and it's to see this happened to her. 13 00:01:04.719 --> 00:01:08.040 It's just really shaking me up. And I don't I feel like I need 14 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:14.040 something more, you know. Yeah, that makes sense. Now when you 15 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:19.840 say religious or spiritual, what does that mean to you? Uh? Just 16 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:25.040 to have something or fine, I don't know, I just can't do it. 17 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:29.920 Like, well, atheism is sort of silly. I like that you 18 00:01:29.920 --> 00:01:34.000 come from the standpoint of agnosticism, because atheism it's like kind of you know, 19 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:42.319 there's no God really exactly. But the agnosticism it comes from. Agnosis 20 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:47.959 without knowledge means that you just don't know. So what can you know? 21 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:52.799 Let's look at a few things. What can you know? First of all, 22 00:01:52.840 --> 00:01:57.959 everywhere you look, everything in this world is continued upon something else. 23 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:01.920 The wood comes from from the tree which came from you know, the acorn 24 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:06.000 which came from the tree which came you know, and it keeps going back 25 00:02:06.040 --> 00:02:12.439 and back. Everything kind of points to some origin. You look around and 26 00:02:12.599 --> 00:02:16.879 when you see complexity, you don't think that it came from randomness. Complexity 27 00:02:17.039 --> 00:02:22.719 usually comes from a complex mind or something thinking. So if you come across 28 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:24.840 a book, you don't say, wow, that must have just erote it 29 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:30.319 into the shape of a book. You'd say, wow, that is a 30 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:34.639 book that someone created. There's something about this world where when you look at 31 00:02:34.680 --> 00:02:38.759 it, it screams that it was created. Just like if you went to 32 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:40.479 Mount Rushmore and looked at Mount Rushmore, you'd never say, wow, that 33 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:45.240 probably is from erosion. The water just happened to make it look like for 34 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:52.560 presidents. So there are many reasons, really legitimate scientific reasons to believe, 35 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:59.919 at least in the possibility of a creator. So where's your hang up? 36 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:09.479 Why does it seem unreasonable to you to believe that there's a god? I 37 00:03:09.479 --> 00:03:15.520 don't like the scientific level. It doesn't bother me. I don't care about 38 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:21.000 creationism or revolution or any of that. Like, I guess it's a personal 39 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:28.120 level. I just like lately I'll find like I want to like pray to 40 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:30.319 God that I'll have to like keep myself from doing it for some reason. 41 00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:36.199 I'm not sure you have to force yourself not to pray. Yeah, you 42 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:39.879 know what, you're like desperate or like feeling bad, and you like want 43 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:43.639 to do it. I'll like keep myself from doing it. I'm not sure 44 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:46.400 why why do I do that? Maybe you feel dishonest because you don't feel 45 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:53.280 totally connected, and you feel like maybe it's hypocritical, you know, going 46 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:57.960 to him just when you're in pain. Yeah, something like that. There's 47 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:02.759 nothing wrong with that, you know. It's Imagine it this way, imagine 48 00:04:02.759 --> 00:04:06.719 you thinking, Wow, you know what I hate hospitals. Can't stand them. 49 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:11.400 They're cold, They just I don't know something about them. And I 50 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:15.120 know I broke my arm, but I always stay away from hospitals, so 51 00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:16.600 I'm not going to go in there. I feel hypocritical to go in there 52 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:20.319 with a broken arm. Well, that's kind of what a hospital's for. 53 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:30.560 So God is similar that when you call out to him in need, it's 54 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:35.959 kind of what he does. So it's not hypocritical in that sense. It's 55 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:40.959 it's as a matter of fact, I hate to break it to you, 56 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:46.160 but it's quite naturally built into who you are when you were created. It 57 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:50.839 is you do. You don't need to tell any living creature it has a 58 00:04:50.879 --> 00:04:55.920 mother, even if it's mother's not around, it knows it had a mother, 59 00:04:57.879 --> 00:05:00.040 and that that's why it's there. And you, regardless of where you 60 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:06.240 land with God, your body knows. Your body was there in so many 61 00:05:06.319 --> 00:05:11.839 ways before you were. It's like it knows God, and it knows God 62 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:14.399 is there, and it's reaching and calling out to God because it knows. 63 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:21.800 It knows inherently that God exists. Right, So reach out to God and 64 00:05:21.879 --> 00:05:28.040 see what happens. Just focus on it for a while, think about it, 65 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:31.759 Maybe read a little scripture something that maybe gives you comfort. There's nothing 66 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:35.680 wrong with that anymore than if you've got a cup of cocoa for Pete's sakes 67 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:45.040 and it gave you comfort. So why not try this and pray and ask 68 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:50.839 God to hear your prayers, ask God to direct your life. It's God 69 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:57.279 for insight and allow those things. That's all you're doing is just stopping. 70 00:05:57.319 --> 00:06:00.240 You're never going to feel anything. You're never going to experience anything. Not 71 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:04.680 that it's about just experiencing something, but you'll never ever make that step if 72 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:19.759 you keep stopping yourself, and then what then You've got nothing. It's been 73 00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:28.600 bringing peace to humans for thousands of years. It's one of the most unexplainable 74 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:34.199 parts of this faith is the strength and peace that it gives to people. 75 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:39.959 Doesn't make their lives perfect. Defecation still occurs, brother, I assure you, 76 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:46.759 and there will be problems always, but it has given people the ability 77 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:55.839 to peacefully keep their lives together in times of great torment, trial and frustration. 78 00:06:57.079 --> 00:07:08.000 And that's worth something looking into, don't you think? Yep? Yeah? 79 00:07:06.439 --> 00:07:13.759 Now you are living with your mom, yeah yeah, and you're taking 80 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:19.240 care of your primary caretaker. Yeah, And why do you take care of 81 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:30.800 your mom? Uh? Pretty much. I'm the only one. Well, 82 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:40.279 you're a good son, and I think that that goodness comes from somewhere and 83 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:44.000 it's not going to kill you to explore a little bit and allow yourself the 84 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:48.399 freedom to do that. So why don't you poke around in a little bit? 85 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:55.160 Yeah, dabble if you will, and then you give me a callback 86 00:07:55.160 --> 00:08:00.120 with any questions you have if you come across something. All right, all 87 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:01.759 right, thanks, that's helpful. I would really like to talk to you 88 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:05.920 again, so I hope you take me up on that. Okay, all 89 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:15.040 right, Verne, you have a good night. Name. There's oftentimes when 90 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:20.920 you're searching, there's a frustration, and sometimes when people have been rooted in 91 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:24.160 a particular way, or they've been frustrated with the faith or maybe even not 92 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:31.519 even introduced to it very much, that it becomes foreign. And in that 93 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:35.679 process of frustration or maybe ignorance about the faith, it becomes a feeling of 94 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:41.240 hypocrisy, like, oh well, now if I, of course, if 95 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:43.919 I accept it, or if I go into it, I'm just being a 96 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:46.200 hypocrite. And I don't want to be a hypocrite. So that rebellion sets 97 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:54.440 in and no one does anything explore, test all things, hold fast that 98 00:08:54.480 --> 00:09:01.600 which is true. Just explore and let it speak to you. Sandra, 99 00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:07.240 Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Thank you. Uh. My question is 100 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:11.279 there's so often just this this morning, someone called me. This prayer is 101 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:16.240 urgently needed, and of course I will pray for this person in their situation. 102 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:20.679 But I don't know why. I mean, I know that my prayers 103 00:09:20.679 --> 00:09:24.360 are not I don't think they're going to influence God. I don't believe God 104 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:28.000 is going to say, oh, Sandra has prayed for this, well, 105 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:33.679 let's let's fix it for her. You know, I can pray for a 106 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:35.919 guidance, but God's a going to guide people. I can pray for God 107 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:41.240 to comfort them, my children to heal, but God's already comforting them, 108 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:45.759 He's already guiding them. So I don't know what the purpose of my prayers 109 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:48.480 are. Okay, I'm not going to change God's mind. I don't think 110 00:09:48.639 --> 00:09:52.840 no, of course not. There's not It's not some God's not sitting in 111 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:58.639 heaven going oh my goodness. Okay, Sandra just nailed it. That's that's 112 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:03.240 really that's helpful. I did not know what to do. That's not the 113 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:07.559 case. However, there are things a couple things to be learned. One, 114 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:13.279 if you have children, and sometimes there's things that you can do around 115 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:18.480 the house that are easier for you to do by yourself, but to share 116 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:22.080 with them, whether it's cooking, cleaning, working in the garage, gardening, 117 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:26.200 whatever it might be. Kids tend to make a mess. It takes 118 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:31.720 longer to do it, but there's something about connecting with them in the process 119 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:37.039 that is separate and special than the task at hand. And God wants you 120 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:43.240 to participate. And by conversing with God and spending time with God, it 121 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:48.080 builds the relationship. So you're not helping God in the sense that God needs 122 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:52.320 your help. It's easier to do without you, but God loves you so 123 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:56.399 much he wants you to participate. That's one factor. The second factor is 124 00:10:56.000 --> 00:11:01.519 that and I love using the analogies with parents and children because I think it's 125 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:07.399 helpful for people to understand God in a parental role at times. But when 126 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:11.879 you take a child to the grocery store, all they want is the sugar, 127 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:15.679 cereals and all the garbage, right, and they say, I want 128 00:11:15.679 --> 00:11:16.960 this, I want that, I want this, I want that. Now 129 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:22.879 think of that as like a prayer the child's praying in front of their parent, 130 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:28.440 Mommy, daddy, I want this snack, I want this cereal. 131 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:31.200 That's not so the parent knows what the child wants, so the parent could 132 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:35.120 give it to them. It's so the parent can use that opportunity to teach 133 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:39.399 the child what they should be having. So when you pray, even for 134 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:45.559 someone else, that listening and waiting for God's response is a way of learning 135 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:50.840 about what God wants, not God learning what you want. So there's the 136 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:54.120 major difference, and people get caught up in that that what you're doing is 137 00:11:54.840 --> 00:12:00.200 teaching God what you want and or need, And really it's about you say 138 00:12:00.360 --> 00:12:03.919 it so God can either correct it or grant it so that you know that 139 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:07.000 your once are in line with the will of God. That's what it comes 140 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:11.039 down to. Learning to be focused on the will of God, Sandra, 141 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:16.080 that is the key. And there is nothing that's going to be said or 142 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:18.759 done that's going to change God's mind. Even in scripture where people are praying 143 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:22.559 and God says, okay, well check and see if there's you know, 144 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:26.320 ten good people in that land. I want to destroy it. When talking 145 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:30.960 about Soloman Kamor and it's like, oh, well, so really God was 146 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:33.799 just looking to have his mind changed. No, God does the things he 147 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:39.159 does or allows people ask questions, and I did this quite a lot in 148 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:43.120 scripture as well. You'll see that I will ask questions of people, you 149 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:46.039 know, whose face is on the coin, things like that. It's not 150 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:48.720 because I didn't know whose face is on the coin. It's because I wanted 151 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:58.320 you to think about the process and learn as well. Carolyn, Welcome to 152 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:03.320 Jesus Christ Show, and thank you for taking my call, my pleasure. 153 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:05.519 You've been so very patient. How can I help you? My husband is 154 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:09.879 about to be listening online, so this question is coming from both of us, 155 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:15.200 okay, and you've helped us in the past several years ago, and 156 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:18.679 I was just kind of thinking about it in my head and going, I 157 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:20.320 feel like part of this is one of those things where you go, how 158 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:24.759 should your yes be your yes? When it seems so difficult at times? 159 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:31.440 But we've worked so hard to continue to work towards more obedience in you and 160 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:35.519 with you, and this is a little bit harder. We don't have children 161 00:13:35.559 --> 00:13:39.000 of our own, and we've kind of been surrogate parenting, you know, 162 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:43.399 everybody else's kids and my family, and we even have a god daughter that 163 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:48.279 not really a goddaughter that lives with us and her child. But about a 164 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:52.960 month ago, well it's been about two months now, my husband I told 165 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:56.159 my nephew that he can work for us on the weekend so he can earn 166 00:13:56.200 --> 00:14:00.000 his money. He's sixteen now, we should just be giving him things. 167 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:01.960 And wanted to help him, you know, try to find his manhood and 168 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:07.080 stuff, and you know, incremental ways. And we were planning for a 169 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:11.120 big fundraiser party that was happening here the house, and I gave him my 170 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:15.639 credit card to put back in the draw for me, and I had to 171 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:18.200 tell you, and I did it that day. My head goes, am 172 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:22.399 I trusting correctly, and I just got you got got to move forward. 173 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:26.879 At some point in time, and the credit card was missing, and I 174 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:30.679 knew it was missing. I had thinking my husband had had put it, 175 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:31.799 so wehe else in the safe. I said, did you can you please 176 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:35.879 verify it's in the safe. I just hadn't seen him the door, and 177 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:37.840 you know, time gets away, and neither one of us checked in with 178 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:43.279 each other, and the bill came in and Wednesday evening we were reviewing it 179 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:48.279 and as a week a week ago Wednesday, and it turns out there's all 180 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:54.960 these felonious charges on there. Immediately called a credit card company, and you 181 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:58.799 know, as I'm looking through it's a thing, I realized there's a charge 182 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:01.759 close to a seven eleven year who school and I said, oh, my 183 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:05.879 gosh, I think this is my nephew. And at first I didn't want 184 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:09.279 to confront my his mom my sister about it because I didn't want to heart 185 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:13.399 it be upset and uh, you know, you don't want to be too 186 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:16.639 quick. And and you know, he has a history of stealing. You 187 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:20.240 know, he's done it as a as a small child, and he's really 188 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:24.240 yeah, I mean he always has. And they're a divorce they're in a 189 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:31.000 divorce there. She's a divorce mom. And when he was about turning four, 190 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:35.159 I think that by thereabouts I had convinced her to move from down to 191 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:37.200 here in our area, and I said, you know, this is a 192 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:41.240 pretty great place to raise a family, and we'll be a support to you. 193 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:45.440 And we've always been that and maybe even to my husband's detriment, you 194 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:48.519 know, and that I've had to yield has taken me many, many, 195 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:56.360 many, many moons to yield to your command to be beat it to my 196 00:15:56.480 --> 00:16:00.519 family first and my husband first. I've taken way more than I should have 197 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:07.399 with him. And my husband's been a great husband to me, and he's 198 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:11.120 miniatures and he's minister to me. To do the right thing and to abide 199 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:15.759 by him. It sounds like it sounds like you guys got good heads on 200 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:18.399 your shoulders. What what what question do you have for me? Well, 201 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:23.080 he now the credit card charges that we know are his, I asked her. 202 00:16:23.320 --> 00:16:26.559 She did some research for me. She went into its room and found 203 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:32.320 some receipts, so no, definitely belongs to him, and I have to 204 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:34.399 do a written report. And I think she kind of hinted to me that 205 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:38.039 she's afraid of that because they're going to take it out of her and she's 206 00:16:38.600 --> 00:16:41.320 you know, title money and all that, and I just in my head, 207 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:42.679 I kind of let it go, and I talked to her. My 208 00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:45.279 husband has told him, you know, look, I know God's going to 209 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:48.679 provide for the right thing. We just we got to continue to do the 210 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:56.120 right thing here and not acquiesce. Our concern is how do we love on 211 00:16:56.320 --> 00:17:03.039 him, how do we not abandon him? How do we continue to nurture 212 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:07.240 him. But my husband said something very profound the every day and it kind 213 00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:10.279 of blew me away. He says, you know, it's not that we 214 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:12.480 haven't been there for him. It said, because it seems like we haven't 215 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:18.200 had a partnership with her completely to get this to the right place. And 216 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:22.640 he goes and I don't want him in our home. And at first that 217 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:25.680 was really hard for me, but I realized, you know, our god 218 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:27.920 daughter deserves the right to be safe, and our god grandson serves the right 219 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:32.440 to feel safe, you know, and taking things kind of it impacts that 220 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:37.119 everybody's you know, vulnerability in your home. So I'm kind of there, 221 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:41.039 you know, finally. You know, so you're thinking about kicking the sixteen 222 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:42.759 year old out of the house. Well, my husband says that he's not 223 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:45.640 allowed in our home anymore. Okay, So they don't live with you, 224 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:49.640 or they don't know theyn't they live in a nearby city, which is you 225 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:53.279 know, kind of cool that, you know. Okay, Well, setting 226 00:17:53.279 --> 00:18:02.240 boundaries is a wonderful thing. But the child obviously has entitlement issues and probably 227 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:06.640 because you know, many things have been taken from him, and he feels 228 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:11.599 like he's missing out, and unfortunately a lot of young people tend to have 229 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:17.079 those attitudes. But in his life situation, from what you're describing, he 230 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:22.319 has a pretty gross expectation of what life should be giving him. Have you 231 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:26.039 have you guys sat down and talked with him face to face about this. 232 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:30.680 We haven't had a face to face. My husband had an initial conversation with 233 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:33.839 him, and finally, just for the first time, a day or so 234 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:36.039 ago, I had said to my sister, you know, your son hasn't 235 00:18:36.079 --> 00:18:38.880 called and apologized to me, you know, to me personally, and so 236 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:42.519 she goes and she just got quiet. And then he called back about thirty 237 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:48.559 minutes later and apologized. And what was his reasoning, what did he say? 238 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:52.279 Didn't tell me reasoning. I don't know if he told my husband or 239 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:56.400 not becaue that mentioned, But when I talked to my sister that day, 240 00:18:56.480 --> 00:19:02.079 he told me. He told my sister that he was mad at me because 241 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:04.319 I decided not to pay him that day, and I had discussed it with 242 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:08.160 my husband that we shouldn't pay him every time he comes that weekend. We 243 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:11.240 should try to teach him how people get paid, like an art We have 244 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:15.160 a small business. You know, we pay on the first and the sixteenth, 245 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:18.000 so that he would learn to wait like most adults have to do for 246 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:22.079 paychecks. So he was going to get paid for that day's work, just 247 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:25.920 not on that day, correct, Okay, And so that apparently that's what 248 00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:29.240 he told her, is that he was upset because he didn't get paid that 249 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:32.359 day. Well, that's not a way to deal with it, now, 250 00:19:32.440 --> 00:19:34.400 is it. No? No, Well, I still think that that it 251 00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:37.079 would have been better rather than oh well, he talked to him, and 252 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:41.480 then I talked to I think that you guys share this card. You were 253 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:45.359 sharing the responsibility, and you both should have sat down with him face to 254 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:51.680 face, not over the phone, and said we we know you took the 255 00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:55.519 card, and we know that you used you charged things. How much did 256 00:19:55.519 --> 00:19:59.200 he ring up on it? Just under one thousand dollars? Under one thousand 257 00:19:59.319 --> 00:20:04.359 dollars? Did Was he expecting a thousand dollars worth of payment for the job 258 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:08.880 that he did that day? Oh there's no way, there's no way that 259 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:17.519 that's that's beyond him, you know, in a sense of entitlement. That 260 00:20:17.599 --> 00:20:22.119 shows you how much he thinks he's worth and how much he doesn't think you, 261 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:26.240 guys are worth I would say that you need to sit down with him 262 00:20:27.079 --> 00:20:32.039 face to face and say we knew about these charges, we love you and 263 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:34.559 and but love doesn't always come, you know, with hugs and kisses. 264 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:41.359 Sometimes there's there's love that needs to be tough to teach. And so there's 265 00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:47.839 going to be different ground rules about you being in our home and being around 266 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:52.880 our store, or about the business or any of these things that that he's 267 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:59.960 going to have to show himself accountable again before you guys trust him with certain 268 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:04.319 things, and he's going to have to realize that. But to say he's 269 00:21:04.359 --> 00:21:07.599 not coming an easier nephew to say he's not coming around your home. If 270 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:11.920 you guys are the best influence for him, why wouldn't you want him to 271 00:21:11.960 --> 00:21:15.039 be around you guys's influence now? Is it more work for you? Yes? 272 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:18.720 Yeah, yeah, it means you're gonna have to lock stuff up and 273 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:22.359 you're gonna have to not let him be alone in the house. But to 274 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:26.440 to not have him come around seems like now he's missing out on the benefit 275 00:21:26.599 --> 00:21:33.480 of who the two of you are in his life and can be thanks. 276 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:38.200 You know, doesn't that seem like I mean it's the easiest way to do 277 00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:42.079 it. Yeah, but there are wounds that need to be bandaged, and 278 00:21:42.079 --> 00:21:47.279 there are wounds that need to be amputated. Correct, And you amputate only 279 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:49.240 when you're trying to protect the rest of the body, right, correct. 280 00:21:49.359 --> 00:21:53.759 And I understand that that's the desire, and as a man, it makes 281 00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:59.079 sense that your husband goes to that, Hey, I need to protect the 282 00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:03.000 rest of the household period. That is the smart attitude to have Initially. 283 00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:07.279 However, I think that the balance in all things that with the two of 284 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:11.960 you coming together, you should look and say, how can we mend this 285 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:15.079 in a way that we still protect ourselves And that means build boundaries, lock 286 00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:21.359 things up, have the visits, be quite specific in what you do and 287 00:22:21.400 --> 00:22:26.160 how you interact, and it means more work on your end when he's around. 288 00:22:27.039 --> 00:22:32.640 Never leave him in charge of these things at this point in time and 289 00:22:32.680 --> 00:22:36.359 see if he grows through it. If not, then he has mental issues. 290 00:22:36.440 --> 00:22:41.839 He has issues dealing with stealing and these types of things that need to 291 00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:45.519 be taken to another level, and you need to get professional help. Great, 292 00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:49.079 thank you so much, You're welcome, But it sounds like you guys 293 00:22:49.119 --> 00:22:53.559 have such a loving heart and are really trying to impart that to him, 294 00:22:53.599 --> 00:22:59.640 which is worth more than the thousand dollars for sure, But no one needs 295 00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:03.559 to go through through that. And as far as as going through the regular 296 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:08.039 process, absolutely you have to with whatever consequences come. You can't protect the 297 00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:14.880 daughter in this case and teach the son because all you'll teach him is that 298 00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:17.599 there's gone there. If you do it right, there's always going to be 299 00:23:17.599 --> 00:23:22.920 a way out. The consequences can be dodged. So unfortunately, you have 300 00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:27.880 to make sure that you file the paperwork and that you bring in law enforcement 301 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:34.559 and that you do it right. I know that that might affect your daughter 302 00:23:34.880 --> 00:23:41.839 and that stinks, but she needs to be accountable for this as well. 303 00:23:41.839 --> 00:23:47.519 This is her child, and she's got a child who's got issues. She's 304 00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:51.759 not going to take care of it if mom and dad are always stepping in 305 00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:59.440 and this this is one of those ugly parts of family dynamics that sometimes people 306 00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:03.400 grow through these things and go through a shoplifting stage or do things. It's 307 00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:06.960 never okay, but sometimes you can see that it's in a stage and they 308 00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:08.440 pass through it and they're going to go through it, and it's going to 309 00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:12.000 be fine, and then there's other times where there's other issues. The fact 310 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:18.000 that he justified it, I'm proud that he said why yeah, I don't 311 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:22.640 know, but he actually said, well, you know, I was mad. 312 00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:26.000 I think that gives you something to work with. And you can go 313 00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:29.400 back and say, you know what I thought about that, And maybe we 314 00:24:29.480 --> 00:24:33.480 didn't explain well enough as to what the process is, but you're going to 315 00:24:33.559 --> 00:24:37.599 have to learn this because you can't keep stealing from a company who's waiting to 316 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:42.119 pay you every two weeks. That's the way many people get paid. Some 317 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:48.519 people get paid once a month, depending on their job. So you said 318 00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:49.519 we were trying to teach you and wanted to make sure, and I want 319 00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:52.599 to make that clear that's what we were doing. We weren't trying to skip 320 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:56.279 out on paying you. We would never do that because that is improper. 321 00:24:56.920 --> 00:25:00.359 But it's improper for you to go and to take this money when we showed 322 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:08.920 you trust to do so. And so now we love you and that doesn't 323 00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:12.279 change. However, the trust issue is different, and we need to work 324 00:25:12.359 --> 00:25:18.920 back towards that earning that trust and if you want to do it, we 325 00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:22.599 want to do it. If he says no, well you should trust me 326 00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:26.279 just because or any of that. Say, then you let us know when 327 00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:32.759 you're ready to come back into our lives with the structure that we're going to 328 00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:37.400 set out. So that's going to be the final test to see where this 329 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:45.960 boy is. Dave, welcome to Jesus Christ. Show yes, I'm in 330 00:25:45.519 --> 00:25:49.240 linkl, Nebraska and make this real quick here and we'll welcome down here. 331 00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:52.680 Sure. Actually, with all my heart, I wish I really could speak 332 00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:56.839 to Christ himself on the phone. But don't we all have that capability? 333 00:25:57.279 --> 00:26:03.240 Well, yeah, maybe you need a new plan. Right. My question 334 00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:08.920 is we all know that there is a war in heaven. There's fallen angels 335 00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:17.480 and angels war going on. And my question is what do you think about 336 00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:26.799 And I'm thinking their future falling angels visiting Earth with new technologies and and like 337 00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:33.039 what kind of new technology how would that change? Probably energy, different things 338 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:40.160 that will be able to make the world better, having peace seemingly come to 339 00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:49.119 mankind and basically deceiving people into believing that they should believe in them instead of 340 00:26:49.400 --> 00:26:55.680 oh you you think the mask reading is like extraterrestrials and like, well, 341 00:26:55.720 --> 00:27:00.480 there's places in the Bible and Genesis that talk about all angels visiting the earth. 342 00:27:02.440 --> 00:27:07.960 You mean Genesis, uh, when you're talking about the Yeah, the 343 00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:14.279 Nephlom And Okay, well there's there's arguments as to who that is and if 344 00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:18.720 it's angels or not because of the context might lend to a different understanding. 345 00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:23.640 So that that that lends itself to interpretation because it talks about procreating and Matthew 346 00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:27.680 talks about how angels are not married nor given in marriage, that they don't 347 00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:37.960 have they don't have sexuality, So there are either possessing humans uh and using 348 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:41.279 their bodies to procreate, but angels do not procreate, so there couldn't be 349 00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:45.279 like half man half angels, as some theorize with the Nephilim. But having 350 00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:49.279 said that, I will say that that technology is not needed. There are 351 00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:53.680 people that are have been visited by both good and bad angels throughout scripture, 352 00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:59.880 and there's no reason to believe that that's any different today. So people can 353 00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:03.680 be visited by angels both good and bad. And it says that even the 354 00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:08.640 devil himself can mask great as an angel of light. So there are those 355 00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:15.079 that are counterfeit that try and come and appear to be one thing or the 356 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:18.119 other to people to distract them. The key in all of this, Dave, 357 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:22.000 and this goes with any of these people say they have apparitions, or 358 00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:26.839 they have dreams, or they were taken up in a spaceship or all you've 359 00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:30.240 got to do. And this was a question that I said over and over 360 00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:33.079 and over and over and over in scripture, who do you say that I 361 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:37.359 am? And the answer to that is what's important. And really, if 362 00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:42.319 you come across anything supernatural in life, if it steers you down any path 363 00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:49.200 and says that there's a new Testament in addition to the Old and New Testament, 364 00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:52.960 or that there's new words, or that God has something new to say, 365 00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:57.440 or that God what was said in scripture is wrong, or we're going 366 00:28:57.480 --> 00:29:02.799 down this new path that were chainanging out things. Any of that that is 367 00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:07.359 not of God. So you check it against Scripture to know where it's from. 368 00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:10.359 And if it's not of God, then it's not worthy of your time. 369 00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:14.079 Remember, more importantly than all this craziness going on during the week, 370 00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:18.759 spend time with your families and remember these words, I Am with you always. 371 00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:22.359 Kfi Am six forty on demand