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now that I've covered all that, I have another guy with a show that
has the word effect in the title of The show started at about the same
time I did all media blah blah. Look back in the archives if you
want the backstory and how he got started, because we're not going there tonight.
Ricky randas the guy from the Ripple Effect. Again, neither one of
us ripped the other off, just so you know, Okay, but I'll
make that point every single time. Also a key component to the union of
the unwanted involved in a whole bunch of other stuff. You go to Ricky
Mirandas dot com, I believe, and you can find all those things.
But also I think Ripple Effect dot com. How many dot coms are there
all together for your work, Ricky help me out. There were quite a
few, actually, and you're right there. Ricky Brands will take you there.
The Ripple Effect podcast dot com will take you there, I believe.
I also own Ricardo Verandas dot com. Um. I don't know why about
all of them, but I did. I figured just in case somebody forgets
the name of the U r L, there's a few that they can use.
But they all take you to the same place, same website, so
feel free to use any of them. I think the Ripple Effect, you
know, the Ripple Effect dot com was taken and they wanted way too much
money for it, and then the Ripple Effect podcast seemed a little long,
so I'm like, you know what, let me just do Ricky Brands dot
com if somebody wants to use that. So, you know, I kind
of gave him a couple of options, but yeah, they all lead to
the same place, and on that website you'll find all the places you can
find a video version of all my podcasts, and also the audio version and
all the podcasts and uh, you know, besides YouTube, I'm available just
about everywhere. Right. Oh you're you're totally off of YouTube now. Yeah.
During the COVID lockdowns, like many people got, I got kicked off.
I'm sure I was getting strikes from time and time and getting warnings,
a lot of warnings. But once Robert Malone came on, and doctor Peter
McCullough and talk doctor Pierre Corey and doctor Jessica Rose and and now I was
really getting a lot of them on and quite uh you know, just around
the same time. It was all around the same couple of months. I
think it really pissed off YouTube and they finally I knew it was about time.
And then luckily Matt from content Safe was a whole. It was a
lifesaver. I didn't really panic because what he does he had a service that
he you upload to one place and then he sings all your channels together,
so I could upload to YouTube at the time and then it was within you
know, a day. I think at the time. It was like between
twenty four to forty eight hours, you would see the videos on the Rumble
and Bitch Shoot and Rocks and and all the other platforms. So at least
he gave me the piece of mind that, like when I do eventually get
kicked off YouTube, at least I know the videos available in other places.
So I did eventually get kicked off YouTube. I didn't want a self censor.
I know some people do it, and I understand why they do it
because YouTube is a valuable platform the majority of people. I think it's like
the second most used platform for search as a search engine, so a lot
of people go on the search for information. It's a key component of the
Google board. I mean, you know, what are you gonna do?
It is what it is, right And one thing, but one thing I
did not So I wasn't concerned so much about losing YouTube because I knew it
was going to happen. And like I said, I wasn't self censoring.
But one thing I did learn and I kind of assumed already but I experienced
it firsthand, was once you get kicked off YouTube, you're put on some
type of like blacklist or some type of shadow banning list where now also just
shadow band on everything. So when people would go on YouTube or go on
Google and search for the show. Before I got kicked off YouTube, it
was quite easy to find. You put in a specific show like okay,
Ripple Effect podcast, and I could put in like Chuck and in the episode
that we did together with pop up. It was really easy to find specific
episodes. I didn't have to put in a lot of detail. But and
then after got kicked off YouTube, I could, you know, be recommending
a show I did on the Key Too Jet diet. You know, Um,
I did a show with Jim Abrams and and you know he was a
filmmaker who did the Naked Gun or whatever. And I'm like, oh,
that's a great show on on his son's how he used the que Jank diet
to cure himself of these seizures he was having in whatever. And I would
want to send it to somebody, and I would put in Jim Abrams or
both like podcasts, put the whole title, and it wouldn't. I'm like,
oh my god, like like, I'm not just ban off YouTube now,
I'm basically ban off the internet almost because most people YouTube and Google and
if Google censoring YouTube, now you basically are screwed. So it makes it
much more difficult for people to really get the word out there. And and
for you know, those random people who run into your show because they're looking
at something else that might be related, like that doesn't happen anymore. So
it makes it much harder for a show like yours or mine that might talk
about more controversial topics for for us to get new listeners. You know,
you end up because almost being stuck in the echo chamber where it's like,
okay, I my my, my regulars already know I exist and already listening
on a regular basis, but my growth is basically on pause and there is
no growth. So I think people don't realize, like you know, getting
kicked off YouTube isn't just one platform, but you're almost basically completely shadow band
on the whole Internet because those are the most commonly used search engines is YouTube
and Google. Right, terrible realization I had to come to myself is that
like, for instance, you know, on days when I decided to cover
a news story, it used to be that I could tangentially be available to
somebody who says they want the controversial view on said news story in real time,
right over those couple of days when something is being covered and guess what,
no more, all gone and it doesn't matter that you pop up on
you know, like you said, bitch, shoot and all that stuff.
That's why I kind of like the aggregators, like the link tree and all
that. It's kind of helpful because at least you have something that gives them,
you know, a couple of options to be able to go and check
out your stuff. But your growth has definitely been kneecapped once you've been kicked
off of, you know, because everybody's going, oh, it's a badge
of honor, and I'm like, yeah, a badge of honor I almost
don't want because I didn't need this. I'll tell you something that's even funnier
is I don't know how much you have allowed other people to mirror your stuff,
but I find it hilarious that exactly the same shows that I got kicked
off for have been mirrored and I don't reference them on the show or anything,
but I'm actually still on YouTube a little bit right Like the whole series
I did with Jordan Maxwell has now been picked up either in part or in
hole by about six different YouTube channels, right, so even when they picked
up other episodes that had stuff in it. And by the way, a
couple of those got dinged, you know, got strikes or whatever. I
forget, maybe it was hate speech or something. It's so ridiculous the different
you know things they told me. I violated my favorite, of course,
cyber bullying Jeffrey Epstein after he's dead. I like that one a lot.
By covering the news story, you know, the reality which, by the
way, that came up in the news this week, yawned. Nobody paid
attention, but you know, it happened past two weeks actually, but uh,
you know, here we go, right, somebody else can cover it,
and for some reason or other, you can be posted somewhere as long
as you don't do it. And I don't know if you notice. It
also screws with you about your usage of the platform. Now, because my
entire account, including because I had one account since two thousand and eight.
I guess when I started my YouTube channel so I could do book reviews of
all things, you know, like all that went away, but also I
had, you know a lot of things that I built up different subscriptions.
I had and all that kind of stuff. Well, you can't access any
of that either. They wipe your whole account. So whatever, I'm not
here to complain about you scrolling. Uh, gonna do what I'm gonna do.
And uh and and as per usual, you can find all the Ricky
stuff if you can just spell Ricky Verandez dot com. You can go there.
And as you said, and by the way, the reason why you
picked up all those other URLs is because they probably offered you package deals,
which I always love that where it's like you can have dot net, dot
com, dot news and all this and just give us another twenty or thirty
dollars or whatever. So well, and and you know, even though Ricky
Vrandez is shorter than the RiPP Effect podcast dot com, it's uh not everybody
is good at spelling other people's last names, so it's and Ricky can be
even spelled differently. You know, some people will put uh, Ricky with
an I, Ricky with a hy, Ricky with an ie. Yeah,
I got you, so it litened to me. I'm like, well,
let me just cover everything and and uh, but you know it does suck
because I know, you know, like Sam Tripley who hosts up or The
Union, the Tinfoil Half podcasts. He you know, he would constantly talk
about how, like why is it so difficult for people just to go on
the website and then listen to people and watch people on their well, like
people go into his website. But the problem is, like, you know,
we're creatures that enjoy you know, the path of least resistance. So
the thing with me is like I get that, Like it's much easier for
somebody to just go on one platform, like let me go on YouTube and
I can get all these content creators instead of going to each content creator's website
specifically. You know, It's like I get it if maybe you're just a
fan of one or two shows, but if you're like myself and you like
getting different perspectives and opinions from all different types of people and you like to
kind of jump around a little bit so you don't get bored, you know,
And that's that's something that I do try to exercise because I think that
like, if you listen to the same opinions and perspecs constantly over and over
again, you kind of just adapt and adopt those, you know, or
you adopt those perspectives and opinions, and you start sounding like them, and
you don't taking anything new that's thought provoking or or mentally stimulating or something that
might your perspective. In addition, it could affect you too, because you'll
you'll hear that someone as you were talking about self censorship a minute ago.
And that's a key thing because not that you're choosing to self censor, but
when you hear repeatedly others doing it, right, Like I noticed that I
took up things like instead of you know, don't call it the shot,
right, because that'll give you that's a keyword problem. Don't call it the
shot, don't call it the vacs. No, And then you start calling
it something else. It's because you've heard it repeatedly from somebody else and you
say, you know, that's actually not a bad idea or whatever, or
maybe you don't even think about it, but you start restricting your use of
you know, just calling it like I just said, look, it's a
medication, you know, and that was problematic, right. But I'm getting
influenced now by the lexicon, by the nomenclature that is presented, because I'm
steeping myself in it. It's just that simple. That's why I really do
avoid a lot of a lot of guys. I talked to a lot of
podcasters, but in reality, I've not listened to a lot of anybody's episodes
because if I do in a short period of time, whether I want them
to or not, they'll either begin to affect my language or they'll begin to
affect, you know, my presentation. Again, it could be the ghost
notes. You know, I'm deciding not to say something because I've already heard
it a hundred times, and maybe my audience hasn't, And I need to
consider that, not necessarily that I've heard it a thousand times. Maybe they
haven't, you know what I mean. So it becomes a weird thing when
you want to do that, And one of the best ways, like you
said, is to move around and to diversify what it is you're choosing to
expose yourself to. And I'm one of those guys too, which is why
this you know, tangential effect where you're now being you know, removed from
well, gee, there's other possibilities here regarding one subject or one particular issue,
even in a large issue like historical issue like I'm no longer coming up
in searches for stuff that I was known for, like the jfk assassination.
Now I'm not coming up when you're looking up somebody else's work on it,
even if I've got a similar idea, even if I'm talking about a similar
area. If I was discussing ballistics and you're looking up somebody else who's disgusting
ballistics, it's not necessarily going to come up together anymore. Even on the
controversial platforms, even on the ones that are you know, less censored or
not censored. They claim, you know, whether it's rock fin or it's
a bit shoot or whatever, I'm still not coming up. It's a weird
thing. Where like connective tissue, she was removed once you start getting banned,
so it's it's an odd thing. Man. It's like, you know,
I still exist on Twitter too. Some people have told me I need
to get the hell off at Air, but I see no reason to abandon
the tools until you're forced to, you know, yeah, no, I
completely agree. People said the same thing about Patreon when a lot of people
were getting kicked off Patreons. I had a lot of people contacting me patron
supporters or like I need to find another way of supporting you because I can't.
I can't use Patroon anymore because all these content creators I love are getting
kicked off. I'm like, that's great, and I get it. I
don't nothing. I don't hold anybody against you know, that moral judgment where
they want to, you know, just say, hey, you know what,
I can't support this company, but no vote with your dollars any which
way you want. I definitely would never say to somebody, hey, look,
do something against your conscience just because it benefits me. Hell no,
no, no, no. I mean I've had people tell me this about
PayPal off and on over there. I don't want to use PayPal, Okay,
sorry, but it is I'm going to continue to use it because it's
accessible and it makes sense for me. Well rumbles the new because now,
like everybody's talking about, like you know where Rumble gets their money, and
you know, it's like listen, I get it. I'm like, there's
you know, there's some shicy people involved in it. There's you know,
finances that could come from no other shicy Like I get that, but the
bottom line is like, it's a platform that gives me the freedom to put
I mean I've never been censored. I get to put my videos out there,
I get to reach maybe a different audience. Like why wouldn't I utilize
that? Like if if they're censoring me, and you know, I'd be
outspoken about it and I would say, hey, they're censoring and whatever.
But like same thing with like band at Video. You know, I'm on
band at Video. It's like, okay, people are like, oh,
why would you be on Alex Jones is a video platform? Like I get
it. I'm like, I get it, but I'm like, it's I'm
not doing anything different with my show. I'm like, I do my show.
It's exact same way. The only difference is like I might be reaching
a audience that might not be used to conversations like my They might be exposed
to different ideas us and different content creators and different perspectives. And as long
as they're letting me do my show the way that I do it and they're
not asking me to censor anything and they're not kicking me off, I'm like,
I'm not saying I'm promoting those platforms. I'm just saying I'm going to
use them, and uh, you know, and we don't want to be
in an echo chamber. And same thing with YouTube. Bug. I get
the people who are saying like, hey, you know, I'm much like
you Chuck, Like I wouldn't you know. I'm not a fan of self
censoring, but I get to why some people would because they're like, hey,
there's people on YouTube that we need to reach. Like maybe most of
the audience on Rock Fin they know, you know, they they're on board
with us, they're on board with like appreciative a choire to some degree for
sure. Yeah, but you know, if you have to self censor a
little bit on YouTube to maybe reach them, then I get that too,
you know. So I see all perspectives, but in regards to like and
I definitely understand what you're saying in regards to not wanting to listen to other
podcasters and because maybe you end up sounding like them or you know, or
maybe second guessing what you should be doing or whatnot. But to me,
it's more about like, um, I mean, you could do it,
maybe not even with podcasts, but maybe do it with books, right,
Like a book that is a counter argument to something you subscribe to, you
know, maybe read a book that has a different perspective that different opinion than
what you know your own opinion is. And because I think sometimes we need
our ideas challenges, We need to have somebody challenge them, because if you
can't defend them, or maybe you think you can defend them much better than
you can, but if you struggle to defend them, maybe it's not as
well thought out as as you thought. And I also find myself sometimes repeating,
you know, things that I'm listening to, right, So it's like,
oh, now I'm starting to kind of sound and think like this person,
and I'm like, I need to hear some other perspectives. I need
to hear some different opinions. I need to hear somebody who has maybe a
drastically different worldview, because I also don't like to plant my flag on any
idea or perspective or ideology. So it's like I want to constantly evolve and
and you know, constantly learn during this journey of being alive and taking in
information and opinions and uh and learning about the world. And you know,
in that journey, I can't just only, you know, listen to people
who sound like me and think like me. I want to listen to people
who don't think like me and and you know, really take in a little
bit of information and knowledge and really use all this stuff, um to kind
of help mold my world view and then filter out the things you don't like,
but at least listen to those things. And um, you know,
I like being wrong. That's one of the reasons why I like being wrong,
because it means I'm one step closer being right, Like I'm one step
closer exactly exactly. You know. Look, I don't I don't want to
stay on this subject too long because I know you and I have had similar
conversations like this before, So I'd like to move on to some other stuff.
But before I do two quick things. One, I always think it's
good to know thy enemy as well. So honestly, I have to in
ad vain, I have to tune into the MSNBC and I have to tune
into Fox News because they're both the polar sides of what I believe are the
enemy mindset and the enemy brainwashing out there in my brain, which is going
to make me have to bring up Tucker Carlson with you in a minute.
But before we get there, you know, I think it's always good to
know what your enemy is doing one two again. If they make good,
valid points and you think that only crap comes from them, maybe you need
to reevaluate. As you were just saying, all those things are perfectly good.
And there's just one other little little wrinkle to this whole bit which I
think people need to keep in mind as well, which is that you know,
I understand that once you examine most of these things, most of these
bigger mechanisms platforms, it doesn't matter if it's the way money's exchanged or the
way information is exchanged, whatever it is. Any of these conduits for information,
energy, or resources, if they are large enough, almost all of
them are guaranteed to have some grease in there. Okay, it's gonna be
a little greasy somewhere. There's gonna be some dirt. There is almost nothing
resembling and absolutely pristine. You know, it's like going out in the world
looking for the virgin wife. Okay, let's be real, if you're in
America, unless you're looking for twelve year olds, and that's a whole other
problem. You're not finding virgins. Okay, you know what I'm saying.
There's definitely gonna be some dirt. There's definitely going to be something corrupt somewhere
along the line, and it doesn't necessarily mean that, you know, the
entire bathwater and baby need to go out the window. Right. You might
be able to keep the basin, you might be able to clean the baby
off, you might be able to just function. I'm not saying compromise.
I'm not saying don't hold your standards, but don't expect or demand everybody else
to do the same, because it's not fair. You know. I'll give
you a weird instance that, you know, again, Paypals, one of
those things where it's like, no, I won't use PayPal because they're connected
to this and this corrupt thing. Blah blah blah blah. Okay, cool,
what are you willing to use? They'll present to me what they're willing
to use, and I could say, all right, well, here's the
thing that's even more connected to banks, that's even more you know, it's
honestly more corrupt in my mind for the arguments you're making, But I'm not
going to challenge you. You need to do what's comfortable for you and what's
ethically sensible for you, and hopefully you have some ethics not you Ricky somebody
listening the proverbial you. So anyway, all that stuff is always a judgments
call. It's always fluid, it's always in motion. And you know,
the truth is that when I started on YouTube in two thousand and eight,
nobody had questions about whether this was you know, corrupt mega organization that was
ruining the world. People were more worried that kids were spending too much time
on it, sort of like the TikTok arguments, right, kids are using
they're they're rotting their brains watching crap on YouTube. And there was a lot
of crap on there still is, but nonetheless it's still something. You know,
They're they're going to bring the porno in a truck on the same road
that they're going to bring the fresh spring water. They're gonna you know what
I'm saying. So it's not always about the thing in and of itself.
That everything has degrees, and if you can find a completely clean everything all
the way around, whether it's a video platform or it's a way of exchanging
resources or whatever, by all means enlighten me, I'll be more than willing
to take a look at it. But I don't think any of us is
gonna completely get out, you know, squeaky clean and all the things that
we decide to interact with, especially in the Internet age. But look,
I don't want to keep on this topic because, as I said, I
think you and I have exhausted this plenty. I want to get into some
strange political questions if you don't mind kind of blindside you with a few things,
because there was no pre interview about this or pre arranged questions, right,
absolutely, Yeah, I love that. Yeah, Well, what do
you got in mind? Cool? I've taken my glasses off and I'm just
gonna give you the surprises. I'm not even gonna read your face or anything
else. We're just gonna bounce a couple of things off here and see what
happens, and see what sort of affect the o'celly effect question has on the
host of the ripple Effect. Okay, yes, corny, cheesy, stupid,
But that's my fun, all right, and it's my show. I
can do what the hell I want, and if Ricky doesn't want to do
it with me, he can hang up on me. So there you go.
All right. Now, I'm I'm a big fan of doing whatever the
hell they want it It is their show, and if you don't like it,
go to another show. That's what I always say, pattern disruption.
Let's roll with it, right, Okay, I don't like maintaining the patterns,
So let's let's get to a couple of things that I am curious to
see what your point of view is. Arf K Jr. Interesting guy.
Now, look, I'm not one of these people who lionizes and uh,
you know, glorifies, defies. The Kennedy's the great family and hell of
a lot better than most of the political leaders and crap. And I do
mean do I mean crap? Yeah, I do mean walking, talking pieces
of moving crap out there in the world that appear to be putting on the
political puppet show at the moment. Better quality of people in general, that
family, Yeah, even with the corruption, the strangeness and whatever, and
even with Ted Kennedy, indeed, they are an interesting group of people.
So I'm not going for them on the whole. The Kennedy's, they might
deign to once again join leadership. No, but I have questions And it
gets pretty h gets pretty intricate, it gets pretty um well, you're gonna
have to dig for nuances here. RFK Jr. Just the flat question,
what are your thoughts on him running for president? And what do you think
about that in general? Because libertarians are talking people that actually have lost interest
in supporting any of this charade that is called the representative government. At this
point, you can tell I have an attitude problem here. What are your
thoughts on RFK Junior running at all? I'll just leave the floor open to
you. Well, you know, I was. I am excited about what
it's going to happen and how this whole thing is gonna unfold, because you
know, I'm curious why he's running as a Democrat. I'm curious, and
I'm not curious. I mean, in one hand, I get it,
like you have to be a part of the debates, you have to be
a part of the race between the left and the right, because those are
the only two parties that get any airtime, that are the only two parties
to get any amount of the attention and conversation in mainstream media. So I
get that aspect of it. I am a little certain about him having faith
in the Democratic Party. If you take away the D next to his name
and what he's running as. I like him. I like him as a
person I like him as I've been actually trying to get him on my podcast
for quite a few years now, because I'm sure as many regular listeners of
the Ruple Effect podcasts, no I've been. I've had doctor Brian Hooker on,
I've had Del big tryon. I've had a lot of people throughout the
years that are in the medical freedom world and community. And it's a topic
that I'm real passionate about and I like to talk about and discuss, and
so I've been a fan of his for a long time because I think for
a long time after COVID, I think it's it's not quite as bad.
But previously, prior to COVID, if you brought up any skepticism about vaccines,
you were immediately considered a tinful, had conspiracy theorists, lunatic, and
it was a very hard topic to be on this side on. And he
was willing to do it, and he knew the backlash. He knew just
how much people would laugh at him and and and say that he's lost all
credibility and all this stuff. So I give him a lot of credit for
dealing with all that and yet in his heart trying to do what's right by
you know, getting people aware of how not safe and effective most vaccines are.
UM. But you know, like I said, I am a little
concerned about him running as a Democrat. I've I know, his interview that
he had with Kim iverson she kind of you know, talked about that a
little bit. I mean, this is a guy running for president who's been
on the Corbor Report, who's been on a lot of you know, alternative
media UM podcasts, and yet also a lot of mainstream media shows. And
I love the fact that he's he's kind of drawing this connection between the two.
It's like, Hey, these people aren't that crazy. And you know,
I think, um, you know, he's almost giving credibility to some
of the people in our community because he was willing to come on these shows
and knock on wood. I don't want to jinx myself, but um,
I guess I'll announce it here. But we are in conversations with his press
team on him coming on Ripple Effect podcasts. And it's actually one thing that
I keep thinking about because he was supposed to be on last Sunday, but
I had a bunch of soccer stuff going on with my kids and I coached
some of their teams and all this stuff, so it got really difficult and
they kind of hit me up last second, and I'm like, I can't.
I'm on the road for soccer games and I'm away from the studio.
But I'm hoping that we can figure something out. But before I have him
on, I actually am very curious about other people in the community, like
yourself and many others. I've been meaning to like tweet it or maybe telegram
or throwing out an email and just getting some feedback from other people with community,
like what are questions and concerns you guys have about him running? Because
I want to be honest in regards to interviewing him. I don't want to
be a fanboy just talk about all the great stuff he's running for president,
So I don't want to just talk about all the great things he's done,
but I want to talk about, like what's his perspective of on many issues
that are going to be important issues when if he did get into office,
and then really just you know, not give him a tough interview, but
at least be willing to ask questions because I, like I said, I
am concerned about him running as a Democrat. Well, let me let me
you know what you've said that now I think five times according to my account,
believe it or not, that you're concerned about him running as a Democrat.
So allow we'd interrupt you and vivisect part of what's going on here.
I got two directions I need to go in, So a little bit of
patience from me, okay, because these are honest concerns, and quite frankly
you you are going to just like you, you want to get a little
bit of a read on maybe me just to get a you know, a
little piece of what's going on in the uh let's call it the atypical philosophical
and intellectual part of the all media community, whatever you want to call it.
At this point, Indie indie media, indie thinkers. You might want
to sample me. I need to sample you because I think that you'll be
an exemplar of some issues that are going to come up here among people that
I have a kinship with, but I am decidedly separated from. Now.
I won't explain that comment right now because I think it's going to get explained
as I not dissect, because it's not dead. We're going to do a
vivisection a part of what you've just stated and where we're at you game,
Yeah, absolutely, Okay, five times I believe could have been four,
but I'm pretty sure five five times. You're concerned about this guy running as
a Democrat. Now I'm making an assumption here, and maybe you'll correct me,
But the big question is going to come at the end. My assumption
that you might have to correct is this somehow or other being a Democrat is
worse than being a Republican. So you're kind of implying, at least the
way I'm hearing it, that if he had an R next to his name,
it would be less disconcerting than the D. So I think I know
the answer to this, and I feel terribly about it because it's one of
the things that does subdivide me from I'm sorry, a lot of you guys
that are doing indie media but have spoken and unspoken agreements where you come together
in a very unified way, Okay, and this is one of those issues
where you do, here's the thing to me, Democrat. It's got a
whole basket of bad stuff that comes along with it that's guaranteed to be attached
to the modern Democratic Party, but also the Republican Party has plenty of poison
attached to it as well, and quite frankly, on balance, I see
a very well balanced you know, lesser of two evils. There's still two
evils. Pick one. As far as I'm concerned now, I don't want
you to go and have to deal with that. I want to know why
the contrast, because you clearly laid that out. In my mind, maybe
I'm wrong that it's worse to be a Democrat. It's worse to be signed
on with the corporate Democrat establishment as opposed to being signed on with the corporate
Republican establishment. So I'm curious in general, without even being specific about Bobby
Kennedy Junior, tell me why that is if I'm correct about that assumption,
and keep that answer short, just so I can really get you to expand
on part two of that question when I ask it. Please, So,
what is the giant contrast that makes it necessary for you to have to keep
mentioning it really concerns me that he's on the Democratic side, which again I
know I'm repeating myself. It's more for a listener, not for you,
Ricky, because you're a smart guy. You already know where I'm going.
But again for the listener to be very very clear, I hear that you're
making a decisive contrast between Republican and Democrat. Could you tell me what that
is or if I'm wrong about it. So the reason why it's concerning is
because I'm actually quite surprised that he's not running as an independent engagement would be
horrenous. Now, the difference between if there, if I were to expand
on why the Democratic Party would would be I mean, obviously he's he's a
Kennedy. Running as a Republican would definitely would not make much sense. But
the other reason why running as a Democrat doesn't make a lot of sense either
is because one of the issues that he's been the most involved in is it
has been like he's been one of the faces of the anti vaccine movement for
lack of better term, and recently, especially of late, it seems like
it you see many more people on the Democratic side that are causing these issues
and being much more idealistic with their opinions on the so much more extreme with
their opinions on it. So that's why it's it was a little bit surprising
it was surprising, like I said, but one, it was surprising that
he didn't run as an independent. I get why, you know, I
do understand why he would do that, because if you're trying to get into
debates. Of everybody who runs, they talk about it, how like if
you don't get in debates, you have zero chance. Ron Paul was a
libertarian. He ran as a Republican. Right people kind of knew that,
like he'sn't you know, he really has libertarian views. But to be in
the conversation, he almost had to run as a Republican. So but in
Shorthand. In Shorthand, though, you have to go with one of the
major parties if you want guaranteed ballot access in all fifty states. I mean,
that's really what the bottom line is. Even aside from the debates and
whatever it is. You can buy commercial airtime, et cetera, et cetera.
It kind of comes down to that, doesn't it. Ballot access is
assured only in all fifty states only if you're a part of one of the
two wings of what I describe as the one party system. You have to
be an R or a D in order to have ballot access. I mean,
isn't that the bottom line? Yeah, yeah, well, I mean
basically, you have to join one of the cults or clubs or gangs if
you want to play their game. And that's I think that's what he did.
Like Bernie Sanders probably did not belong as a Democrat. Let's go on
the other side of the equation, right, he really should have been an
independent under the Socialist or under the let's call it the you know, the
the Democrat Classic party, right, you know, like when they came out
with new Coke and they had Classic Coke which wound up becoming coke again,
you know, again the corporate branding. It's very relevant. The thing is
Bernie Sanders probably not legitimately a Democrat per se. Ron Paul probably not legitimately
a Republican. Of course, it's more conducive to his overall viewpoint, and
he maintained that. But another guy who probably should have had an eye in
front of his name instead of an R. But he went with it again
ballad access and it's got it's you know, pros and cons. But it
just seemed to me like what if he did run as a Republican because other
relatives, other people in the bloodline. Believe it or not, there are
many different cousins, second cousin, third cousin, this that third thing.
I mean, there's even a congressman named John Kennedy the third or whatever in
Congress who is some distant relative and he's a Republican. There are various Republicans,
either they share the name or they don't, that are part of the
bloodline that have gone in all different directions, more liberal, less liberal.
I mean, clearly there's a a huge difference between the Democratic Party that his
father and indeed his uncle were rock stars within. But you know so today's
modern Democratic Party really truthfully, intellectually, spiritually does not even remotely match what
was. But having said all that, why do you think it's even more
disconcerting if he gives in to the Democratic side, because saying that, well,
he's more on the ANTIQ back. I don't know that that doesn't sound
like that's the whole explanation. What really, I mean, really nuts and
bolts, what's the I mean, I just have this feeling that in general,
it's just a little less grading to your being in general, that somebody
is a Republican as opposed to a Democrat. I mean not to the point
of being like Alex Jones was, the left right paradigm is false, The
left right paradigm is false. E left right paradigm is false, but the
right wing is kind of Okay, the left right, you're not doing that.
But what is it that's just really the bottom sticking point. I mean,
are they more totalitarian in their ways? Is that what the key is?
They're less about personal freedoms. I mean, give me a real broad
stroke here. What is the toxicity level that is even greater with the Democrats
than it would be if he came out and said, you know what,
I'm running as a Republican. Well, I mean, the majority of his
interviews and the majority of his work the last few years or I mean for
quite a few years now, has been vaccine related and medical freedom related.
So if you look at it, who's been the most extreme in regards that
are like pushing you know, vaccines on a children and the mandates all that
stuff, It's been people on the left. I mean, that's you know,
but in regards to the left right thing, and I look at things
like, okay, at this current time, who seems to be worst?
And you can put your focus on either one at the moment right now when
you look at like the left has completely lost their mind. Not to say
that the rights any better. Now, there's been times in my life where
it's been completely you know, reversed. When I first got into politics for
lack of better term, or just kind of learning what's really or trying to
understand what's really going on in the world and trying to see, you know,
where a lot of these issues lie, it seemed to be like a
lot of my focus was again, you know, was Republicans, like they
seem to be a cause of a lot of the world issues. Obviously,
you know, as you grow you realize like they're all getting money from the
same people. They're all for, you know, expanding the military industrial complex
are all for, you know, giving big farm of money that are all
for, you know, the same things. But you know, after nine
eleven, obviously the Republicans and the neo cons they were a big part of
pushing these unjust wars and all this stuff. So a lot of my focus
was that, and a lot of people used to say things like, oh,
what do you think democrats are perfect? If you think democrats are are
you know, there's no bad democrat. I'm like, no, no,
just right now, my focus is on them because my focus needs to be
on them. They seem to be the worst at the moment, and they
seem to be the ones causing, um, you know, more of the
issues in the world than the other ones. Not to say that I can't
find issues on the other side. And you can even make like you said,
you can either make the argument that it doesn't really fucking matter if you
have a D or R nest your name, Like what does it matter?
It just you know, you basically should just you know, look at them
and be like, hey, they're all getting money from obvious. You know,
I've I've talked to Jack abram Off, you know, I've I've had
them on for that purpose because I wanted to highlight how ridiculous it is the
fact that people think like, oh, it's it's because of this, or
it's because it's like no, they all they all get given language and they
say, here, put this in the bill. They don't even care what
it stands for, what it is or whatever. They don't care about any
of that stuff. So if they ever even bothered to read the damn things
that are presented or allegedly, you know, an assumed by their staffers who
give them a summary. I love, by the way, you want to
talk about somebody who did something good on the left, And again not saying
that I endorsed the man, but when Michael Moore came out with that congressman
who sat there, sit down, my son, we don't read any of
the legislature. I thought that was beautiful because that absolutely made a superb point.
That was undoubtedly something that most people didn't consider. So what you're saying
is it's based on the emergent behaviors and what else could we call it?
The posture of the overall Democratic Party, in your mind, is just more
toxic, more more dangerous, more painful, more punishing to freedom and people
in general at this moment. Yeah, they just seem more problematic at the
moment. And not to say that the you know, and again it's like,
I'm not a Republican. I mean, I'm not a religious person.
You know, I could say I'm a spiritual person, but I'm not like
a classic religious conservative or anything like that. I've never once even you know,
consider myself of a Republican or conservative or anything from the right. I
actually to be honest, Like, growing up, I used to debate a
lot of Republicans. I get in like, you know, just debates with
them because of the wars, right, Like a lot of times when having
to defend that team, it's your team. So durn I remember during Iraq
Wars, during our invasion, of involvement in Afghanistan, and just about every
military um you know uh strategy that they had, you know, that was
or at least sold to the public. I would always say, like,
that's not really why they're doing it. And a Republican would or a conservative
would be like, no, no, it was because there are danger to
our freedoms or you know, we're fighting terrorism or any of this stuff.
And I'm like, dude, what are you talking. No, that's not
why we're there. We're doing it to help haula burn and k are and
yeah. So in the day, okay, rewind twenty years, it's two
thousand and two. What you're telling me is you would have been more concerned
about the Patriot Act, the war mongering and profiteering. It would have been
like, wait a minute, the right wing, the Republicans are actually the
ones who are more toxic, more in my face they're prosecuting wars under false
pretenses and also creating justifications to rob people of their constitutional freedoms which they're actually
endowed by by the matter of their creation. Okay, regardless of who you
think created them, etc. The fact that you are created and you have
life means you are endowed with certain rights. They're not granted to you by
the government. These people are actually trying to encroach upon the intended memorialization of
it at this time, and for what for profiteering for war, to make
money, yes, and to increase the tightness of their grip their stranglehold on
people in general. So at that time, if Bobby Kennedy came out and
put an arm in front of his name and was deciding to run for president,
you would have said, hey, I'm concerned here because he's going with
the toxic side of the equation. Yeah, I mean, well, well,
hypothetically obviously, but yeah, yeah, of course, I mean again,
like neither, I don't. I'm not one of those people that I've
never even cared about. I still don't care about politics because at the end
of the day, like I you know, I'll go to the gym and
I'll have people at the gym. Hey, you know this Nancy Pelosi did
this or what. And I'm like, I don't care about this theater.
Like to me, I like looking at things from the big picture, and
I like kind of zooming out because you can really, you can get really
caught up in like everyday events and all this like you know drama, this
political drama of like oh, this person doesn't get along with that person,
or this person did this and this person. You know, it's like I
don't here. Like to me, it's like it doesn't it doesn't really have
a major effect on things. And typically what you're seeing on TV is just
the theater, and you don't it's a puppet show, and the people controlling
the puppets are the are the people that I'm really interested in, and I'm
really interested in their you know, their global plan and how they're you know,
the baby steps in certain directions, you know, and and the thing
is like a lot of this stuff like you know p Nact before nine to
eleven, um, you know, and all these things that happened that that
you know, you could kind of see like Okay, there's a there's a
playbook, and we're going into a specific direction, and to me, it's
like trying to figure that out and seeing the baby steps and trying to connect
the puzzle pieces. To me, that's much more important to to basically,
And at the end of the day, like every major issue that that happens
in the world, you can find Democrats and Republicans that are all on board,
you know, like they were all on board going to war. They're
all on board, you know a lot of this stuff so um, you
know, in regards to the vaccine issue and the mandates, I do think
that a lot of people like I I what I stand for hasn't changed now
the people who happened to be fighting for a lot of the similar things.
That has changed. When I first got into podcasting and I was talking about
organic food and I was talking about pesticides and GMOs and all this stuff.
Guests who was also pushing for you know, um to get pests, you
know, to fight against monsanto and you know, um GMOs and all this
stuff, it was people on the on the left. And now like I'm
still fighting for the same things. I'm fighting against chemical companies and big pharma
and and and getting people to try to live a more natural lifestyle. And
and do things that you should be doing, like exercising and breathing clean air,
and eating things you can pick and grow and kill and uh and farming
and all this stuff. Like now it just happens that the same people that
are four of those things just happened to be more on the right. You
know, when I was going to um, uh you know, uh anti
COVID vaccine rallies, you know, which is a a a subject and topic
that I've been I've never really changed. I've always been very pro like,
increase your immune system naturally if you can. You know, I'm not a
fan of vaccines. I go to these rallies and what would I see?
Tons of Trump signs. It's not that I'm a Trumper. I'm not a
Trump fan. But it just happened that the people who were Trump fans were
fighting for the same thing I'm fighting. So it's like it's, you know,
like that's saying if I'm a enemy of my enemy is my friend or
however it goes, but like basically we're both fighting for the same It's just
the way the wind, the way the political and psychological and historical wind has
decided to blow, you end up you know, let's imagine this as a
giant yard full of leaves. You're kind of ending up in a pile of
leaves that happen to be red colored at the moment and happened to be uh,
well, you know, a bunch of Trump stamps on them, right,
Okay, that is that is what's going on temporarily, But not because
you're adopting everything that they're saying. It just so happens that at this moment
it is aligning with some of the things that they are making noise about.
Now as to whether that's a legitimate thing coming from everybody on the right,
just like I don't think it was always legitimate when people on the left fought
for certain things. I think you have a good deal of that on all
sides. So you know, again, I think reevaluation is necessary at all
points. But I want to stick to the RFK issue and not devolve into
just the okay, have you gone into Trump landier or not, because that
to me is just you know, it's just such a waste of time anyway
to go back into this. If you don't mind, I mean, look,
if you're if you want to change directions, let me know Ricky.
We could do it right now, live and we could talk about anything,
but I'm enjoying this deeper dive. Do you mind, No, not at
all. I mean I'm done to talk about anything and everything. So you
know, if we can talk about a thousand different subjects where we can talk
to focus on one, I'm cool with either way. Excellent. Let's keep
firing at the RFK situation because I find this to be a very curious and
informative examination. When it comes to people that I know are thoughtful, that
I know are informing themselves and simultaneously informing others, I think it's very important
to examine exactly where it's coming from. Okay, so back to the RFK
thing. Because I find myself in a curious position. I want you,
if you feel like it, to go ahead and get your sample that you
wanted from me, at least my little you know, three grains of sand
that you're going to need for the whole beach coming from me because I'm a
weirdo. But get them any which way you want when I'm done here,
please, here's the thing, another part of this RFK thing. Because I'm
a little conflicted for different reasons again, I don't want to lionize, and
believe me, I don't understand how you call these Democrats liberals. To me,
none of what they do is actually liberal. I have more. I
might actually be a classic liberal somewhere. I mean a liberal as in libertarian
type of liberal. But look enough about me. I want to get back
to you. Here's the thing. If he goes independent, I get it,
that's a choice and everything else, but we've already outlined how that could
be counterproductive overall a guy like this on balance, even if you do see
and by the way, I still even though you're currently finding the Dems to
be more damaging than the rip pubs, you know, one gang or the
other. Jesse Ventur did a great thing. What was it, the real
blood Lakins and the and the Democrits right something like that. Yeah, I
see crypts are blue. Yeah, that all makes sense. The blue bandanna
goes with Okay, got it? Anyhow, great thing there. But and
it is like a street gang for for pussies, um, you know,
because they would never actually do the dirty work themselves. I mean, at
least, if you're gonna go be a blood, you gotta go get a
buck in a quarter, which means you gotta slash somebody's face with a razor
to get one hundred and twenty five stitches. And that's called getting a bucket
a quarter in the Northeastern You know gang rights of being a blood anyway,
Why do I know these things? Another another podcast? Um, I was
never a blood. I was never a member of any street gang anyway.
Back to it though, um So with Bobby Kennedy and him coming out now,
I'm already seeing he's got a guy that was part of Black Rock that
is coming in to assist with his financial situation. I don't know if you
know about that. Some people look at it as, oh, great,
a successful businessman is going to come in and run some of the financial aspects
of his campaign. I of course have mixed feelings about that. You and
I both know a little bit about Blackrock and what goes on there. You
can't argue with their success, But is it nefarious? What's up with that?
And also, is this a guy who's going to come in and sort
of kneecap things from the inside. Because of my estimation when certain people got
involved with Ron Paul's campaign, all of the legitimate sentiment all of the legitimate
support, all of the people that were coming together with the idea that they
actually had a different option on the table. You know, all that good
stuff sort of got kneecapped. Same thing again. I like giving you both
sides as best I can when there's allegedly two sides, you know, Bernie
Sanders, when people, really the corporate Democrat people got involved in there,
all of a sudden, the guy who looked like he was about ready to
overtake the establishment candidate, they couldn't legitimately generate, you know, enough enthusiasm
to get a fart bubble out of a bathtub. Okay, when it came
to Hitlery Clinton, excuse me, Hitlery, Sorry, I shouldn't never bring
up hitler insult to German people, Hillary Clinton. Yeah, when you're dealing
with that, right, and that's the opposition they needed to silence, cut
down, slow down, and completely kneecapped Bernie Sanders hole movement. You end
up with a movement, and this time it's a BM instead of the actual
thing. They kneecapped him. They've done this to many different candidates, a
lot quicker, a lot sooner, a lot easier, and it happens.
This is literally one of the great well moves. When it comes to controlled
opposition, you control the opposition, you create the illusion of a possibility of
Sorry, I have to laugh before I was saying hope and change, right,
you know, abandon all hope, beg for change. And oh,
by the way, if you didn't like hope and change for brown people,
we give it to you for orange Excuse me, I mean white people when
it comes to Trump, because again I believe another deception. Here is your
alleged opposition. Embrace it. Embrace it because it has no legitimate chance of
actually changing anything. Anyhow, Ignore all that. Here's the thing, what
about the idea that he might just indeed be dangerous enough to be derailed?
Because I'm sure if somebody, somehow, you know, did a terrible thing
like becoming a lone wolf assassin with three names and got to a guy again
ironically much like his father, I mean, that would tell me that he's
certainly represented a very serious threat to the establishment. Anyhow, I could definitely
see somebody making moves to kneecap him right away, etc. Etc. And
all of his focus, by the bye, has not been just on vaccines.
I know that that's part of what you and I would see, because
it definitely stuck out like a sore tongue, and he definitely made some noise.
I mean, the Anthony Fauci book alone was definitely an eye opener,
and all that plus many other statements he made, I mean, even coming
down to the whole situation with the convicted assassin of his father, right and
siding with the idea that maybe he should be paroled. You're aware of that
too, right, Ricky, Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's That's one
of the reasons why I have a little bit of faith in him is because
I do know because of you know, where he stands on his uncle and
his dad's assassination. Obviously he's quite aware of the deep state and the inner
workings of government and who pulls the strings, because I think his family members,
as dad included, push back a little bit and or a lot of
bit and and got themselves in some trouble because of it, and so it
makes me it's a little confusion. And again this adds a little bit of
the confusion of why he would would have any faith in either political party,
unless, like you said before, it was because they understand, like you
have to at least at least consider yourself a part of one of the gangs
to h to at least be able to play the game. And um so
I think, you know, more importantly than what he calls himself, you
know, an independent Democrat, whatever it may be. More important than that
is like what he stands for and what he says, and what you know,
what he he says he's gonna try to implement and change. To me,
that's the part that you know that I think people should listen to.
Now, you know, maybe they shouldn't put a whole lot of focus on
you know, what he's running as, and focus more on you know,
what he says, because at the end of the day, like you said,
Ron Paul's a perfect example. He's somebody who and Bernie Sanders, I
mean Bernie. The problem with the US is that there's only two political parties,
or at least the only two political parties that matter, and only two
political parties that people let U be the focus of, uh, you know,
the running for president. So regardless if your ideologies or your worldviews or
your perspectives don't fit in those boxes, you have to find a way to
fit in those boxes, because if not, you're just not a part of
the conversation. So I think that's what happened. Um, you know,
I know, you know the links between you know, the Black Rock and
the you know, some of the people that there's there's all these rooms that
circling I don't know how true they are, and I don't know how you
know, Schicy the people are that he's putting around him. Well, that's
not a rumor. That's that's been announced by the guy himself and also acknowledged
by orf K Junior that he has brought this guy in to do some of
the workings when it comes to his the financial end of his campaign. That's
not rumor or anything. And that guy definitely was with Black Rock as far
as I know. I mean, unless you've got some other information that somehow
this has been elaborately presented in a weird way. Even somebody writing with doctor
McCullough's group was writing about it day before yesterday, I think, well,
you know, and that might be the case. But the thing is we
have to be like reserve a little bit of judgment because you look at like
somebody like Edward Dowd, who's been doing a bunch of interviews. He's the
one who wrote I think he wrote the book Sudden Death, or he's been
on a bunch of shows he's and he worked for black Rock and that's one
of them. Yeah, he's now doing amazing work getting the information out there
and getting people aware of the fact that we you know, deaths all over
the world of just increased drastically. And this guy, I would say,
is one of the good guys. And yet you know, he worked for
a black Rock So I think sometimes, you know, we do have to
reserve judge when you might get somebody who worked for a very shitty corporation and
or a company or was a part of a group, but maybe you know,
they worked there for a little bit of time, or maybe they they
they worked there, but they weren't a part of any of the other stuff
that we're discussing. You know, maybe there he was just investing in a
part of you know, office space that was really not focused on trying to
control everything. He was just focused on his specific job of like investing or
whatever he was doing. So you know, it's it is one of those
things where like I have to do a little bit more of a deep dive.
I want to believe that maybe this guy is just good for the job,
and when he worked at Black Rock, he was just good at what
he was doing, you know. And you know, I remember, I
can't remember who it was. There's but quite a few really good guests that
I've had on that we're investment bankers at big firms or you know, or
you know, did something else that you're like, oh, you work for
them. You know, they're very evil, they're bad, but you know
they happen to be good people who are now doing amazing work. So you
know, yeah, I mean, you definitely don't want to jump to conclusions
and um, and maybe he is the best person for the job, and
maybe he's not. Uh you know, the person he hired isn't somebody who
but you're right, But you also have to be skeptical of the fact that
like maybe they're trying to sabotage or maybe they're there. You know, that's
also a concern. So there is a you know, the thing about this,
uh, this Kennedy running thing is that there's a lot of speculation,
a lot of like what if, and there's we don't really have much more
information to run on, like we kind of have to like listen to interviews,
get his perspectives, see what he believes in. I know there's been
a lot of people concerned about his perspective on um energy companies and alternative energy
and all this type of um What like, what what's your concerns about him
or or do you not have concerns? And what's just your opinion on him
running? Are you concerned about, you know, his perspectives on anything,
if it's energy, if it's military, if it's whatever it may be.
Are there any concerns and also are there any things you like about him that
maybe give you a little bit of hope. Well, I'll be straightforward with
you, and I know it doesn't sound like it during this discussion, but
here's the thing I have not been happy with or engaged in. I have
not voted for quite a while because I found it pointless, useless, and
there was absolutely nobody that I would want to endorse at the top of just
about any ticket. I have withdrawn for the most part from voting and I
comment on it. I also feel as though it's best for me to remain
objective, so I'm not rooting for a team or anything. You know what
I mean or an individual. I'm just trying to look back at everything objectively.
When it comes to all the political parties and all the offices being offered,
my faith in the system is effectively at an anti faith status, and
that's the way it is. And yet I'll tell you that rfk Jr.
Having a legitimate run might put me back in to where I think that if
this guy gets anywhere with it, it shows that there might be just enough
wiggle room in the corrupt, clamp down bought and paid for almost hollow system,
a bullshit that they have hoisted upon us all for about the entire time
I've been living and breathing on this planet. There might actually be hoped that
there is some way that we could be represented. And I don't have to
agree with everything, I don't have to like everything. On balance, I
can say this that my objective you with a guy, and I've been observing
him for many years for many reasons, to see what he might do regarding
the assassinations, etc. I say this is that first of all, he
could get into a position of power and change a bit. He does seem
to be open to the idea of well, gee, I have new information,
so I might alter my opinion based on being better informed in general across
the board. That's the kind of guy who seems to be, and I
might re engage with this thing called voting and the selections which are generally preordained
toxic and have virtually nothing to do with me when it comes to selecting these
people, and whether I support them or not, or whether I support their
ideas or not, things are going to get done. And I think that
is the status for most of us who don't have be paid to play resources
bank accounts to really engage. If you can't buy a piece of the system,
you ain't playing. You got to buy chips to play in the casino.
And if you can't afford the chips, you're just an observer. That's
the way I feel I have been, and continue to be and will continue
to be. But a ray of hope is here. Not saying oh,
here comes to the Savior. No, But a ray of hope is there
that perhaps if this guy gets anywhere near a position of power, then that
means that there is a vague, small minute possibility that legitimate individuals who might
be able to represent the will of the people. One way or another and
to do some honest, decent things from a position of power in our corrupt
system. They might actually be a possibility, a potential reality as opposed to
the fairy tale that I have pretty much consistently believed. This whole thing is
sounds a little odd, doesn't it. Well? No, but but were
you a fan of Ron Paul when he ran? And if not, yes,
what are you were? Okay? So yeah, it's a very because
I feel like they're very similar. The fan base is gonna be very similar
in regards to um why we like them as a possible uh you know,
like you said, an opportunity to have some hope and and somebody running that
that might actually be decent and and go beyond that. Let me tell you
a couple of other presidential candidates that were possibilities, and a couple of them
got close or got onto the ballot under an independent label. Even though Cynthia
McKinney has personally pissed off at me a little bit, Um, I love
her. I would have gladly he's seen her as president or vice president.
Cynthia McKinney Ron Paul I thought would have been a great candidate if he was
allowed to exercise any sort of power from that office. And guess what,
I also think that Bernie Sanders would have been a very very nice shake up
to the system. Okay, we got problems across the board. I mean,
I would definitely prefer Cynthia McKinney's view on Israel as opposed to Ron Paul's
view or even Bernie sanders view. Right, I might approve of some of
the things that Ron Paul had to say regarding the economic situation. I definitely
would have loved to have seen the entire system that we have with the Federal
Reserve altered, put back into the control of the people that are actually participating
in the system. Would have loved to have seen a lot of things like
that. But you see, I'm not all that, you know. I
say some of that stuff, and immediately I know you're not gonna hang up
on me, Ricky, I don't think. But some people would hang up
on me with the Bernie Sanders mentioned. Some people would hang up on me
with the hey, look, Israel not a fan. Not because I got
problems with Jewish people, of course, but because I had problems with open
air concentration camps and also there is a dubious situation there regarding what happened to
the Palestinians. And I know and these are my opinions, not those of
Ricky Brande's or anybody else connected to this discussion. Let's make that clear.
I'm not speaking for anybody but myself. But there is a wide array of
things. And do I think Bobby Kennedy would be great on all foreign policy
fronts? No, But in general, I think he would be less likely
to want to engage US in wars for the sake of the military industrial complex
alone. I think that medical freedom might be something that is important to him.
I think that people's freedoms in general might be important to him. I
even got a bad taste in my mouth though, a few years ago,
when the price tag for getting him to show up or anything was twenty five
thousand dollars. And I have several times attempted to get him on my show.
I would love to have fifteen minutes with him to ask him a few
questions. But have I answered your question, Ricky? Yeah, I mean,
well, I'm curious, But I'm curious. So you told me he
would give you a little ray if sunshine from the hope sun but a little
bit of But is there any You've said, you've heard him talk, but
a bit what issues would you have with him? Like running? I mean,
are there any concerns about him? Just I mean, are there any
concerns about this idea of because I think we're both kind of on the same
page in regards to knowing that it's basically a rigged system if he's part of
the system, um either you know, is there any concern about him maybe
potentially becoming a part of the problem, right, like potentially you know,
um, not having any and even if it's heart's in the right place,
like you said, I'm I believe Ron Paul, Bernie Sanders, even Trump
supporters. I think a lot of these people, Ralph Nader, Ross Perrow,
these are all people. I think their supporters have a lot of similarities.
They're basically like, Hey, I'm sick of the same old cookie cutter
politician. We need something drastically different. Even if different isn't better, it's
we need different something yeah, right, And it's the same thing, you
know, the socialism thing. And and you're probably you probably know that,
like you know, a lot of people in this community, especially in the
community that I hang out, and there are a lot of people on the
right, a lot of like really extreme libertarians who believe in no government or
very little to no government. I'm not against the idea of entertaining some socialist
ideas. I think that whatever perfect system, if it were to exist,
it probably would be a mixture of a lot of different ideologies, and socialism
being one of them. I like the in theory. I like the idea
of us all contributing to help each other, and I think in theory it's
it's not a bad thing. And I think a lot of people don't realize
that they are okay with some socialist ideas like police officers, paved roads.
There's a lot of these. I mean, these are socialistic ideas that this
idea that we all contribute for a service, we all contribute for the greater
good. So I think, you know, so I remember having a debate
with a police officer friend of mine, you know who's who basically said all
socialism is awful, you know, you know it's it's you know, all
just completely just being over the top. And I'm like, you do realize,
like your job wouldn't exist in that world, that didn't have some type
of socialism because you are paid by the taxpayer. You are a part.
We all contribute for your services. So you know, that's a socialist idea,
you know, a in a um you know another world that where if
you wanted to remove all socialist ideas from from the face of the earth,
you wouldn't exist, or you'd be a private contractor. And I don't you
know, And in this you know alter reality that libertarians or anarchic libertarians live
in where they think private contractors could do the job or would do the job.
And again there's flaws in those theories too. I think at the end
of the day, the causes of our issues are always going to exist because
the causes of our issues isn't a ism. It's corruption. And anytime power,
as you know, power, you know, corrupts absolutely like it's you
know, the left blames blames, uh, you know, corporations for the
root of all evil are and in the right blames government for the root of
all evil. And the one thing they all have in common is that it's
corrupt people who ruin things. And you know, and that's not going to
change. It doesn't matter if you have more or less government or more or
less corporations doing things without government. Like, at the end of the day,
wherever there's money and power, there's gonna be people who are going to
take advantage of the system, regardless what type of system you have. Unions
in the beginning were there for a purpose, right, you had to dust
for a revolution. You had all these rich families, Rockefellers, the Carnegie's,
like, all these people making tons of money and not giving people time
off, not giving people breaks, not sharing some of the wealth. Right
they're making all the money was being funneled up to the top, and these
people weren't getting any raises, they weren't getting time off, they weren't getting
any any benefits. So unions came around and said, hey, will represent
you. Here's somebody who will have your back or a group that will have
your back and help try to get you a fear wage. And then eventually
that organization the unions got became just as corrupt as the people they were trying
to fight against. So that happens time. So like the common thread is
always wherever there are people, there will be corrupt people. So it doesn't
matter what they're defending or what their purposes or what their origin story is.
Eventually, you know, whoever there's money and power, there will be issues.
So exactly, well, it look, Ricky, and I've taken you
way over the time that I wanted to discuss all this with you, and
I really appreciate your indulgence, your patience, and your time. But I
wanted to kind of tie a bow on this right now. And I'll tell
you why, because I take this as an interesting sign. While we're speaking,
I'm looking over at an email, and I just got an email making
many of the very same points that you just made, Okay, but they
sent it ahead of you making those points, answering part of what I was
saying, kind of pinging me a little more for believing in the socialist there,
you know, giving me a bit of crap about that. But you
know where it came from is a guy who started out his email very long.
One started out his email reminding me that I should always re examine people
and not judge them simply based on some of the more historically significant things they
participated in. The ironic thing. I'm not going to reveal the name of
the individual who emailed this to me, but the ironic thing is that he's
probably an extremely well known organized crime figure that does privately email me and second
or third generation. I know, if you've ever watched a documentary on Lakosa
Nostra that covered the SA seventies, eighties or nineties, this guy had to
come up in that documentary, Okay. And it just so happens he's a
listener and is listening to us right now, So you know, bon jour,
no IMG, but you know here we are, and you're right.
People do change and things do change, and I do feel good about the
idea that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Would be a whole lot more of
a legitimate candidate. I think that's the thing that I'm looking for, a
legitimate representative in government. It just seems that that's the way he would come
off. And yes, I'm aware, just like you are, Ricky,
that no matter what, he could get in there and discover that he's a
whole lot more handcuffed than he really is. I think this happened to let's
go for both sides of the equation, as I so often love to do.
I think this happened to both John F. Kennedy and Richard Nixon for
instance, I think that both of them had this crazy idea that they were
in charge and got shown that they were not. Now, it was a
little too soon to put a bullet into Richard Nixon's head, too eliminate the
issue at the top there that might not cash them in and get them all
of what it is they wanted that they them those with the agendas. So
instead, what do you do? You sabotage them by sending in CIA guys
who actually trained people about how to do breaking and entering jobs black bag work,
and make sure that they screw it up well enough that a hapless security
guard can pick up the fact that there's a burglary happening. You know,
you start out things that way, and then you get a guy who has
to resign after a bit because it's a lot less messy, believe it or
not. Then you know, somehow having a situation where a guy in an
open top limousine get some how publicly executed in front of about four hundred witnesses.
I mean, it's a lot easier to do it that way. It's
a little cleaner. It looks a little more like a natural event, doesn't
it. But anyway, I'm just saying what I mean to say here is
again not wishing any ill on Bobby Kennedy Junior, and not saying that I
lionize him as a great you know, Oh, the Savior has arrived,
the Mashiak is here. No. But what I am saying is it does
legitimately give me that Ron Paul and nostalgia Ron I had some faith in.
I thought he could do some good at the very least changing things for the
right direction, etc. But not necessarily as enthusiastic because I might actually be
about Robert F. Kennedy Junior, and not because he's a Kennedy, but
because he's shown balls to go out there and do things in spite of what
the official position is supposed to be, in spite of his party says,
in spite of what his own family says. This is a guy who's willing
to go out there and speak truth to power and power to truth. So
sorry, I happen to be on the side of this might be a good
thing. This guy running and winning. Now, Kenny Willie, is there
a possibility Willie be sabotaged? Ricky? I say this, unless you've got
a great crystal ball. I think we're all just gonna have to stay tuned.
What do you think about that? Yeah, I agree. I mean,
like, like we talked about before, I'm hearing a lot of people
in the alternative media community bringing up all these you know, what ifs and
speculations and whatever. But you know, I kind of feel like, you
know what, we kind of just have to wait and see how it pans
out. Like why stay here and demonize somebody that hasn't even done anything wrong
yet and really has been on our side and many of these issues for a
long time, But now just because he's thrown his name in the race,
all of a sudden, we want to demonize him because now you're acting like
he's joined the other team. And I think he has just like his family
members, his father and his uh can change things from inside. Um.
But in a way, I'm also a little surprised that he does think he
can change things from the inside because because of his dad and you know the
way um, you know, the story of his father and his uncle ended
and and to me, so it's like that's the other part too. It's
like I can see why he would have faith because of you know those family
um, that family history but I also would understand why he wouldn't have faith
because they attempted to do the same thing and then look what they did.
So that's the part that makes things a little confusing, because I'm like,
Okay, well, you saw what happened to your family members. So it's
like, how far do you think you could take it before you're at risk
or in danger or you know, or maybe they would even light you went
because if you see that the president really lacks actual power and that there's all
this other other behind the scenes things going on, and yet you're still willing
to run and think that you changed. So it's like, I'm a little
confused by that. That's why, you know, tremendous nuance, because again,
one must open their minds to the rest of it too. Ricky,
and I don't mean to scold you at all, but please insert this into
your equation. His uncle, another one of his uncles, not the one
that ended up dead in Daily Plaza, but you know, another one of
his uncles was what the longest standing senator in US history, I think,
right, Ted Kennedy. Now, look, you can talk about what he
had an effect on or what kind of an effective politician he was or was
he just a you know, a drunken mess all the time. Whatever.
There's lots of different ways to go here, but one thing you cant says
that the guy didn't have an effect in general on the country. Okay,
so you got that nuance to enter in, and you've also got another even
harsher warning sign, which would be in his own generation. John F.
Kennedy Jr. Seems like, and I'm not saying this is absolutely certain,
but it seems like the moment that his cousin, his first cousin, decided
to show any sort of interest in doing what he is precisely doing right now,
a plane crashed and that was the end of that. Under odd circumstances.
Of course, his uncle who had that long standing effect. I don't
know if you know this, but in nineteen sixty four, I think it
was sixty four or right around there, you know, he was also involved
in a plane crash where his back was broken. That's Ted Kennedy, right.
Plus you know about Chap a quick and hey, maybe there's some suspicious
stuff that went on there is that entirely is doing. Was he just you
know, drunken, reckless playboy, rich boy, maybe, but there are
other things going on. Maybe there's a lot to dig into and a lot
of things that he would be privy to that you and I have a clue
about but don't necessarily know all of the nuances. So the thing is,
it is interesting to consider how informed he is and exactly what that means to
him and what it is his motivation is how much risk is he taking in
his own mind? Is this something to be lauded or are we getting fooled
again? You know, very much like the hope and change bs that Madison
Avenue sold people on Barack Obama right again, as I said, became abandoned
all hope and beg for change, because that's going to work out a lot
better than trying to work a job that he had paid you know, next
to nothing for good luck. But at the same time, they gave you
another hope and change. Don't worry, we're gonna change at all. We're
gonna make America great again. Now we can debate about when I'm Erica was
great. But here's the Orange guy. So you know, into my mind
that was just here's Bush. Here's Bush's you know, discount cousin. Then
oh, here's another Bush bush Light. Then we go for Bush Dark,
which is effectively Barack Obama. Take the joke anyway you want. Next,
how about a what would they call that now? A micro brew? It's
got an orange tint to it, maybe an orange tin. You know,
they put orange flavoring and beer. Now I can't, I can't do it,
but they do this, yeah, and it is very much like the
beer, and it's not bud light. And I don't care who they put
on the can. It still tastes like piss. Anyway, Is there a
possibility of a change? Is there something legitimate outside of the Grand Puppet Show?
I stay stay tuned, Ricky, and I say people should stay tuned
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of course you've got a lot of guests on because you're that kind of guy.
You're worthy of it, and you do a very smooth and professional job.
Much better at the video. Well, look, I mean that's not
a high bar. I'm the blind guy trying to do videos. So what
are you gonna do? But you got a better voice, you got a
better demeanor, you got a better all that, and just so happens,
are both of our shows have their word effect in it. But I really
appreciate and do respect your work and appreciate the effort in the time which you
gave me about a half hour more time today than I actually asked you for.
And I'm sorry I've probably taken you away from something much more important,
but I appreciated anything else that they should go ahead and look at to get
into the mind of Ricky Veranda's First of all, me having a better voice
is very debatable. One thing that isn't debatable is that the two guys that
are always talking uh don't have a better voice than your producer who doesn't have
a show. So it's it's actually quite a hilarious of a guy with the
voice isn't even doing a show. But um and uh and no. I
you know I I love having these discussions um, as you could probably imagine.
My wife is used to my conversations going a little long and and and
going longer than initially anticipated. I think not hold on, hold on not
debatable at all. You're correct about the better voice. And for those of
you that don't remember, just a quick cutoff of my microphone to fully play
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the weapon that we have that has the ultimate voice. We need to get
him doing movie trailers booming out of a THX. I might have to put
some warnings out there though for people, like beware, a booming voice might
injure you during the course of the movie trailers. But sorry, Ricky again,
extemporateous weirdness, please continue. No, I was just saying, I
love having these these discussions, and I'm glad we had him. And if
it goes long, that's fine. As you know, it's when you're in
a deep conversation that always sucks when you have to cut it short. So
it always glad that we were. And this is a very relevant, you
know discussion. I mean, these are things that people are thinking a lot
of people in our community, just the general public, are thinking about,
you know, what to think about the Kennedy running as for president. And
you know, we're kind of on the same page where I think a lot
of people are up in the air and then don't know quite yet how they
feel about it. And I'm glad that I could get another perspective on the
topic, because this is something that's been on my mind. So I'm glad
I got to hear your perspective on it. But without a doubt, I
mean, these discussions are awesome. I hope people tune into your show,
my show, any show in the community that is willing to entertain different opinions
and perspectives and don't create just an echo chamber of qann Trumpers or woke lefties.
You know, like if that's never good. You know you want you
want different opinions, different perspectives and really right trump or not, woke or
not, it's got to go well beyond all of that. So we'll just
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