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now that I've covered all that,
I have another guy with a show that

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has the word effect in the title
of The show started at about the same

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time I did all media blah blah. Look back in the archives if you

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want the backstory and how he got
started, because we're not going there tonight.

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Ricky randas the guy from the Ripple
Effect. Again, neither one of

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us ripped the other off, just
so you know, Okay, but I'll

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make that point every single time.
Also a key component to the union of

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the unwanted involved in a whole bunch
of other stuff. You go to Ricky

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Mirandas dot com, I believe,
and you can find all those things.

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But also I think Ripple Effect dot
com. How many dot coms are there

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all together for your work, Ricky
help me out. There were quite a

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few, actually, and you're right
there. Ricky Brands will take you there.

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The Ripple Effect podcast dot com will
take you there, I believe.

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I also own Ricardo Verandas dot com. Um. I don't know why about

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all of them, but I did. I figured just in case somebody forgets

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the name of the U r L, there's a few that they can use.

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But they all take you to the
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feel free to use any of them. I think the Ripple Effect, you

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know, the Ripple Effect dot com
was taken and they wanted way too much

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money for it, and then the
Ripple Effect podcast seemed a little long,

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so I'm like, you know what, let me just do Ricky Brands dot

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com if somebody wants to use that. So, you know, I kind

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of gave him a couple of options, but yeah, they all lead to

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the same place, and on that
website you'll find all the places you can

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find a video version of all my
podcasts, and also the audio version and

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all the podcasts and uh, you
know, besides YouTube, I'm available just

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about everywhere. Right. Oh you're
you're totally off of YouTube now. Yeah.

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During the COVID lockdowns, like many
people got, I got kicked off.

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I'm sure I was getting strikes from
time and time and getting warnings,

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a lot of warnings. But once
Robert Malone came on, and doctor Peter

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McCullough and talk doctor Pierre Corey and
doctor Jessica Rose and and now I was

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really getting a lot of them on
and quite uh you know, just around

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the same time. It was all
around the same couple of months. I

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think it really pissed off YouTube and
they finally I knew it was about time.

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And then luckily Matt from content Safe
was a whole. It was a

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lifesaver. I didn't really panic because
what he does he had a service that

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he you upload to one place and
then he sings all your channels together,

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so I could upload to YouTube at
the time and then it was within you

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know, a day. I think
at the time. It was like between

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twenty four to forty eight hours,
you would see the videos on the Rumble

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and Bitch Shoot and Rocks and and
all the other platforms. So at least

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he gave me the piece of mind
that, like when I do eventually get

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kicked off YouTube, at least I
know the videos available in other places.

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So I did eventually get kicked off
YouTube. I didn't want a self censor.

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I know some people do it,
and I understand why they do it

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because YouTube is a valuable platform the
majority of people. I think it's like

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the second most used platform for search
as a search engine, so a lot

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of people go on the search for
information. It's a key component of the

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Google board. I mean, you
know, what are you gonna do?

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It is what it is, right
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did not So I wasn't concerned so
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was going to happen. And like
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But one thing I did learn and
I kind of assumed already but I experienced

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it firsthand, was once you get
kicked off YouTube, you're put on some

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type of like blacklist or some type
of shadow banning list where now also just

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shadow band on everything. So when
people would go on YouTube or go on

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Google and search for the show.
Before I got kicked off YouTube, it

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was quite easy to find. You
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Ripple Effect podcast, and I could
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that we did together with pop up. It was really easy to find specific

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episodes. I didn't have to put
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then after got kicked off YouTube,
I could, you know, be recommending

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a show I did on the Key
Too Jet diet. You know, Um,

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I did a show with Jim Abrams
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filmmaker who did the Naked Gun or
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that's a great show on on his
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to cure himself of these seizures he
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want to send it to somebody,
and I would put in Jim Abrams or

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both like podcasts, put the whole
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oh my god, like like,
I'm not just ban off YouTube now,

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I'm basically ban off the internet almost
because most people YouTube and Google and

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if Google censoring YouTube, now you
basically are screwed. So it makes it

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much more difficult for people to really
get the word out there. And and

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for you know, those random people
who run into your show because they're looking

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at something else that might be related, like that doesn't happen anymore. So

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it makes it much harder for a
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about more controversial topics for for us
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you end up because almost being stuck
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okay, I my my, my
regulars already know I exist and already listening

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on a regular basis, but my
growth is basically on pause and there is

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no growth. So I think people
don't realize, like you know, getting

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kicked off YouTube isn't just one platform, but you're almost basically completely shadow band

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on the whole Internet because those are
the most commonly used search engines is YouTube

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and Google. Right, terrible realization
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like, for instance, you know, on days when I decided to cover

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a news story, it used to
be that I could tangentially be available to

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somebody who says they want the controversial
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right over those couple of days when
something is being covered and guess what,

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no more, all gone and it
doesn't matter that you pop up on

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you know, like you said,
bitch, shoot and all that stuff.

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That's why I kind of like the
aggregators, like the link tree and all

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that. It's kind of helpful because
at least you have something that gives them,

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you know, a couple of options
to be able to go and check

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out your stuff. But your growth
has definitely been kneecapped once you've been kicked

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off of, you know, because
everybody's going, oh, it's a badge

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of honor, and I'm like,
yeah, a badge of honor I almost

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don't want because I didn't need this. I'll tell you something that's even funnier

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is I don't know how much you
have allowed other people to mirror your stuff,

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but I find it hilarious that exactly
the same shows that I got kicked

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off for have been mirrored and I
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but I'm actually still on YouTube a
little bit right Like the whole series

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I did with Jordan Maxwell has now
been picked up either in part or in

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hole by about six different YouTube channels, right, so even when they picked

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up other episodes that had stuff in
it. And by the way, a

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couple of those got dinged, you
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forget, maybe it was hate speech
or something. It's so ridiculous the different

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you know things they told me.
I violated my favorite, of course,

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cyber bullying Jeffrey Epstein after he's dead. I like that one a lot.

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By covering the news story, you
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way, that came up in the
news this week, yawned. Nobody paid

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attention, but you know, it
happened past two weeks actually, but uh,

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you know, here we go,
right, somebody else can cover it,

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and for some reason or other,
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as you don't do it. And
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also screws with you about your usage
of the platform. Now, because my

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entire account, including because I had
one account since two thousand and eight.

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I guess when I started my YouTube
channel so I could do book reviews of

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all things, you know, like
all that went away, but also I

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had, you know a lot of
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I had and all that kind of
stuff. Well, you can't access any

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of that either. They wipe your
whole account. So whatever, I'm not

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here to complain about you scrolling.
Uh, gonna do what I'm gonna do.

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And uh and and as per usual, you can find all the Ricky

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stuff if you can just spell Ricky
Verandez dot com. You can go there.

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And as you said, and by
the way, the reason why you

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picked up all those other URLs is
because they probably offered you package deals,

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which I always love that where it's
like you can have dot net, dot

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com, dot news and all this
and just give us another twenty or thirty

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dollars or whatever. So well,
and and you know, even though Ricky

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Vrandez is shorter than the RiPP Effect
podcast dot com, it's uh not everybody

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is good at spelling other people's last
names, so it's and Ricky can be

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even spelled differently. You know,
some people will put uh, Ricky with

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an I, Ricky with a hy, Ricky with an ie. Yeah,

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I got you, so it litened
to me. I'm like, well,

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let me just cover everything and and
uh, but you know it does suck

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because I know, you know,
like Sam Tripley who hosts up or The

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Union, the Tinfoil Half podcasts.
He you know, he would constantly talk

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about how, like why is it
so difficult for people just to go on

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the website and then listen to people
and watch people on their well, like

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people go into his website. But
the problem is, like, you know,

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we're creatures that enjoy you know,
the path of least resistance. So

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the thing with me is like I
get that, Like it's much easier for

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somebody to just go on one platform, like let me go on YouTube and

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I can get all these content creators
instead of going to each content creator's website

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specifically. You know, It's like
I get it if maybe you're just a

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fan of one or two shows,
but if you're like myself and you like

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getting different perspectives and opinions from all
different types of people and you like to

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kind of jump around a little bit
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And that's that's something that I do
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like, if you listen to the
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again, you kind of just adapt
and adopt those, you know, or

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you adopt those perspectives and opinions,
and you start sounding like them, and

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you don't taking anything new that's thought
provoking or or mentally stimulating or something that

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might your perspective. In addition,
it could affect you too, because you'll

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you'll hear that someone as you were
talking about self censorship a minute ago.

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And that's a key thing because not
that you're choosing to self censor, but

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when you hear repeatedly others doing it, right, Like I noticed that I

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took up things like instead of you
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right, because that'll give you that's
a keyword problem. Don't call it the

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shot, don't call it the vacs. No, And then you start calling

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it something else. It's because you've
heard it repeatedly from somebody else and you

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say, you know, that's actually
not a bad idea or whatever, or

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maybe you don't even think about it, but you start restricting your use of

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you know, just calling it like
I just said, look, it's a

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medication, you know, and that
was problematic, right. But I'm getting

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influenced now by the lexicon, by
the nomenclature that is presented, because I'm

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steeping myself in it. It's just
that simple. That's why I really do

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avoid a lot of a lot of
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podcasters, but in reality, I've
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because if I do in a short
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to or not, they'll either begin
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affect, you know, my presentation. Again, it could be the ghost

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notes. You know, I'm deciding
not to say something because I've already heard

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it a hundred times, and maybe
my audience hasn't, And I need to

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consider that, not necessarily that I've
heard it a thousand times. Maybe they

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haven't, you know what I mean. So it becomes a weird thing when

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you want to do that, And
one of the best ways, like you

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said, is to move around and
to diversify what it is you're choosing to

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expose yourself to. And I'm one
of those guys too, which is why

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this you know, tangential effect where
you're now being you know, removed from

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well, gee, there's other possibilities
here regarding one subject or one particular issue,

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even in a large issue like historical
issue like I'm no longer coming up

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in searches for stuff that I was
known for, like the jfk assassination.

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Now I'm not coming up when you're
looking up somebody else's work on it,

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even if I've got a similar idea, even if I'm talking about a similar

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area. If I was discussing ballistics
and you're looking up somebody else who's disgusting

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ballistics, it's not necessarily going to
come up together anymore. Even on the

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controversial platforms, even on the ones
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not censored. They claim, you
know, whether it's rock fin or it's

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a bit shoot or whatever, I'm
still not coming up. It's a weird

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thing. Where like connective tissue,
she was removed once you start getting banned,

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so it's it's an odd thing.
Man. It's like, you know,

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I still exist on Twitter too.
Some people have told me I need

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to get the hell off at Air, but I see no reason to abandon

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the tools until you're forced to,
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completely agree. People said the same
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were getting kicked off Patreons. I
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supporters or like I need to find
another way of supporting you because I can't.

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kicked off. I'm like, that's
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don't nothing. I don't hold anybody
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they want to, you know,
just say, hey, you know what,

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I can't support this company, but
no vote with your dollars any which

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way you want. I definitely would
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do something against your conscience just because
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PayPal off and on over there.
I don't want to use PayPal, Okay,

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sorry, but it is I'm going
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like everybody's talking about, like you
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you know, there's some shicy people
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finances that could come from no other
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bottom line is like, it's a
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I get to reach maybe a different
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that? Like if if they're censoring
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to different ideas us and different content
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as they're letting me do my show
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use them, and uh, you
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in an echo chamber. And same
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the people who are saying like,
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you Chuck, Like I wouldn't you
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censoring, but I get to why
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there's people on YouTube that we need
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the audience on Rock Fin they know, you know, they they're on board

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with us, they're on board with
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sure. Yeah, but you know, if you have to self censor a

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little bit on YouTube to maybe reach
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you know. So I see all
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I definitely understand what you're saying in
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podcasters and because maybe you end up
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maybe second guessing what you should be
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it's more about like, um,
I mean, you could do it,

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maybe not even with podcasts, but
maybe do it with books, right,

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know, maybe read a book that
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what you know your own opinion is. And because I think sometimes we need

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our ideas challenges, We need to
have somebody challenge them, because if you

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can't defend them, or maybe you
think you can defend them much better than

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well thought out as as you thought. And I also find myself sometimes repeating,

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you know, things that I'm listening
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to hear some different opinions. I
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drastically different worldview, because I also
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idea or perspective or ideology. So
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and you know, constantly learn during
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information and opinions and uh and learning
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in that journey, I can't just
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who sound like me and think like
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who don't think like me and and
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bit of information and knowledge and really
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of help mold my world view and
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because it means I'm one step closer
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closer exactly exactly. You know.
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stay on this subject too long because
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conversations like this before, So I'd
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good to know thy enemy as well. So honestly, I have to in

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ad vain, I have to tune
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into Fox News because they're both the
polar sides of what I believe are the

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enemy mindset and the enemy brainwashing out
there in my brain, which is going

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to make me have to bring up
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know what your enemy is doing one
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valid points and you think that only
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to reevaluate. As you were just
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think people need to keep in mind
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I understand that once you examine most
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bigger mechanisms platforms, it doesn't matter
if it's the way money's exchanged or the

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way information is exchanged, whatever it
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energy, or resources, if they
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them are guaranteed to have some grease
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a little greasy somewhere. There's gonna
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resembling and absolutely pristine. You know, it's like going out in the world

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looking for the virgin wife. Okay, let's be real, if you're in

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America, unless you're looking for twelve
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problem. You're not finding virgins.
Okay, you know what I'm saying.

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There's definitely gonna be some dirt.
There's definitely going to be something corrupt somewhere

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along the line, and it doesn't
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entire bathwater and baby need to go
out the window. Right. You might

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be able to keep the basin,
you might be able to clean the baby

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off, you might be able to
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I'm not saying don't hold your standards, but don't expect or demand everybody else

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to do the same, because it's
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you a weird instance that, you
know, again, Paypals, one of

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those things where it's like, no, I won't use PayPal because they're connected

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to this and this corrupt thing.
Blah blah blah blah. Okay, cool,

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what are you willing to use?
They'll present to me what they're willing

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to use, and I could say, all right, well, here's the

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thing that's even more connected to banks, that's even more you know, it's

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honestly more corrupt in my mind for
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going to challenge you. You need
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ethically sensible for you, and hopefully
you have some ethics not you Ricky somebody

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listening the proverbial you. So anyway, all that stuff is always a judgments

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call. It's always fluid, it's
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the truth is that when I started
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nobody had questions about whether this was
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ruining the world. People were more
worried that kids were spending too much time

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on it, sort of like the
TikTok arguments, right, kids are using

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they're they're rotting their brains watching crap
on YouTube. And there was a lot

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of crap on there still is,
but nonetheless it's still something. You know,

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They're they're going to bring the porno
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that they're going to bring the fresh
spring water. They're gonna you know what

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I'm saying. So it's not always
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That everything has degrees, and if
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the way around, whether it's a
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resources or whatever, by all means
enlighten me, I'll be more than willing

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to take a look at it.
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gonna completely get out, you know, squeaky clean and all the things that

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we decide to interact with, especially
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I don't want to keep on this
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think you and I have exhausted this
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strange political questions if you don't mind
kind of blindside you with a few things,

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because there was no pre interview about
this or pre arranged questions, right,

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absolutely, Yeah, I love that. Yeah, Well, what do

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you got in mind? Cool?
I've taken my glasses off and I'm just

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gonna give you the surprises. I'm
not even gonna read your face or anything

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else. We're just gonna bounce a
couple of things off here and see what

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happens, and see what sort of
affect the o'celly effect question has on the

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host of the ripple Effect. Okay, yes, corny, cheesy, stupid,

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But that's my fun, all right, and it's my show. I

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can do what the hell I want, and if Ricky doesn't want to do

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it with me, he can hang
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All right. Now, I'm I'm
a big fan of doing whatever the

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hell they want it It is their
show, and if you don't like it,

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go to another show. That's what
I always say, pattern disruption.

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Let's roll with it, right,
Okay, I don't like maintaining the patterns,

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So let's let's get to a couple
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see what your point of view is. Arf K Jr. Interesting guy.

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Now, look, I'm not one
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you know, glorifies, defies.
The Kennedy's the great family and hell of

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a lot better than most of the
political leaders and crap. And I do

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mean do I mean crap? Yeah, I do mean walking, talking pieces

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of moving crap out there in the
world that appear to be putting on the

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political puppet show at the moment.
Better quality of people in general, that

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family, Yeah, even with the
corruption, the strangeness and whatever, and

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even with Ted Kennedy, indeed,
they are an interesting group of people.

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So I'm not going for them on
the whole. The Kennedy's, they might

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deign to once again join leadership.
No, but I have questions And it

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gets pretty h gets pretty intricate,
it gets pretty um well, you're gonna

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have to dig for nuances here.
RFK Jr. Just the flat question,

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what are your thoughts on him running
for president? And what do you think

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about that in general? Because libertarians
are talking people that actually have lost interest

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in supporting any of this charade that
is called the representative government. At this

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point, you can tell I have
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thoughts on RFK Junior running at all? I'll just leave the floor open to

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you. Well, you know,
I was. I am excited about what

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it's going to happen and how this
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know, I'm curious why he's running
as a Democrat. I'm curious, and

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I'm not curious. I mean,
in one hand, I get it,

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like you have to be a part
of the debates, you have to be

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a part of the race between the
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the only two parties that get any
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to get any amount of the attention
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get that aspect of it. I
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in the Democratic Party. If you
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and what he's running as. I
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person I like him as I've been
actually trying to get him on my podcast

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for quite a few years now,
because I'm sure as many regular listeners of

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the Ruple Effect podcasts, no I've
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I've had Del big tryon. I've
had a lot of people throughout the

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years that are in the medical freedom
world and community. And it's a topic

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that I'm real passionate about and I
like to talk about and discuss, and

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so I've been a fan of his
for a long time because I think for

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a long time after COVID, I
think it's it's not quite as bad.

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if you brought up any skepticism about vaccines,

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you were immediately considered a tinful,
had conspiracy theorists, lunatic, and

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it was a very hard topic to
be on this side on. And he

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was willing to do it, and
he knew the backlash. He knew just

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how much people would laugh at him
and and and say that he's lost all

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credibility and all this stuff. So
I give him a lot of credit for

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dealing with all that and yet in
his heart trying to do what's right by

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you know, getting people aware of
how not safe and effective most vaccines are.

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concerned about him running as a Democrat. I've I know, his interview that

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he had with Kim iverson she kind
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little bit. I mean, this
is a guy running for president who's been

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on the Corbor Report, who's been
on a lot of you know, alternative

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media UM podcasts, and yet also
a lot of mainstream media shows. And

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I love the fact that he's he's
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It's like, Hey, these people
aren't that crazy. And you know,

408
00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:51.799
I think, um, you know, he's almost giving credibility to some

409
00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:55.119
of the people in our community because
he was willing to come on these shows

410
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:57.279
and knock on wood. I don't
want to jinx myself, but um,

411
00:27:57.319 --> 00:28:02.640
I guess I'll announce it here.
But we are in conversations with his press

412
00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:07.759
team on him coming on Ripple Effect
podcasts. And it's actually one thing that

413
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:11.799
I keep thinking about because he was
supposed to be on last Sunday, but

414
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:15.440
I had a bunch of soccer stuff
going on with my kids and I coached

415
00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:18.920
some of their teams and all this
stuff, so it got really difficult and

416
00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:21.599
they kind of hit me up last
second, and I'm like, I can't.

417
00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:25.079
I'm on the road for soccer games
and I'm away from the studio.

418
00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:27.480
But I'm hoping that we can figure
something out. But before I have him

419
00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:33.559
on, I actually am very curious
about other people in the community, like

420
00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:38.559
yourself and many others. I've been
meaning to like tweet it or maybe telegram

421
00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:42.079
or throwing out an email and just
getting some feedback from other people with community,

422
00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:45.960
like what are questions and concerns you
guys have about him running? Because

423
00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:51.839
I want to be honest in regards
to interviewing him. I don't want to

424
00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:53.920
be a fanboy just talk about all
the great stuff he's running for president,

425
00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:56.799
So I don't want to just talk
about all the great things he's done,

426
00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:02.599
but I want to talk about,
like what's his perspective of on many issues

427
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:06.400
that are going to be important issues
when if he did get into office,

428
00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:10.319
and then really just you know,
not give him a tough interview, but

429
00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:14.119
at least be willing to ask questions
because I, like I said, I

430
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:17.039
am concerned about him running as a
Democrat. Well, let me let me

431
00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:19.480
you know what you've said that now
I think five times according to my account,

432
00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:22.200
believe it or not, that you're
concerned about him running as a Democrat.

433
00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:26.079
So allow we'd interrupt you and vivisect
part of what's going on here.

434
00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:30.039
I got two directions I need to
go in, So a little bit of

435
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:34.559
patience from me, okay, because
these are honest concerns, and quite frankly

436
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:37.839
you you are going to just like
you, you want to get a little

437
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:42.799
bit of a read on maybe me
just to get a you know, a

438
00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:48.359
little piece of what's going on in
the uh let's call it the atypical philosophical

439
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:52.319
and intellectual part of the all media
community, whatever you want to call it.

440
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:57.480
At this point, Indie indie media, indie thinkers. You might want

441
00:29:57.480 --> 00:30:00.359
to sample me. I need to
sample you because I think that you'll be

442
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:07.720
an exemplar of some issues that are
going to come up here among people that

443
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:11.720
I have a kinship with, but
I am decidedly separated from. Now.

444
00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:15.920
I won't explain that comment right now
because I think it's going to get explained

445
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:18.880
as I not dissect, because it's
not dead. We're going to do a

446
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:25.839
vivisection a part of what you've just
stated and where we're at you game,

447
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:32.160
Yeah, absolutely, Okay, five
times I believe could have been four,

448
00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:37.000
but I'm pretty sure five five times. You're concerned about this guy running as

449
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:41.319
a Democrat. Now I'm making an
assumption here, and maybe you'll correct me,

450
00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:45.000
But the big question is going to
come at the end. My assumption

451
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:48.680
that you might have to correct is
this somehow or other being a Democrat is

452
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:55.920
worse than being a Republican. So
you're kind of implying, at least the

453
00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:59.599
way I'm hearing it, that if
he had an R next to his name,

454
00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:04.480
it would be less disconcerting than the
D. So I think I know

455
00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:08.680
the answer to this, and I
feel terribly about it because it's one of

456
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:14.400
the things that does subdivide me from
I'm sorry, a lot of you guys

457
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:22.400
that are doing indie media but have
spoken and unspoken agreements where you come together

458
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:26.880
in a very unified way, Okay, and this is one of those issues

459
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:32.000
where you do, here's the thing
to me, Democrat. It's got a

460
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:36.640
whole basket of bad stuff that comes
along with it that's guaranteed to be attached

461
00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:41.319
to the modern Democratic Party, but
also the Republican Party has plenty of poison

462
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:45.160
attached to it as well, and
quite frankly, on balance, I see

463
00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:51.920
a very well balanced you know,
lesser of two evils. There's still two

464
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:55.960
evils. Pick one. As far
as I'm concerned now, I don't want

465
00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:59.000
you to go and have to deal
with that. I want to know why

466
00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:01.680
the contrast, because you clearly laid
that out. In my mind, maybe

467
00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:07.000
I'm wrong that it's worse to be
a Democrat. It's worse to be signed

468
00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:10.680
on with the corporate Democrat establishment as
opposed to being signed on with the corporate

469
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:17.920
Republican establishment. So I'm curious in
general, without even being specific about Bobby

470
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:23.240
Kennedy Junior, tell me why that
is if I'm correct about that assumption,

471
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:29.519
and keep that answer short, just
so I can really get you to expand

472
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:32.480
on part two of that question when
I ask it. Please, So,

473
00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:38.160
what is the giant contrast that makes
it necessary for you to have to keep

474
00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:44.759
mentioning it really concerns me that he's
on the Democratic side, which again I

475
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:46.079
know I'm repeating myself. It's more
for a listener, not for you,

476
00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:50.000
Ricky, because you're a smart guy. You already know where I'm going.

477
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.160
But again for the listener to be
very very clear, I hear that you're

478
00:32:53.200 --> 00:33:00.279
making a decisive contrast between Republican and
Democrat. Could you tell me what that

479
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:06.200
is or if I'm wrong about it. So the reason why it's concerning is

480
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:13.440
because I'm actually quite surprised that he's
not running as an independent engagement would be

481
00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:17.319
horrenous. Now, the difference between
if there, if I were to expand

482
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:23.680
on why the Democratic Party would would
be I mean, obviously he's he's a

483
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:29.079
Kennedy. Running as a Republican would
definitely would not make much sense. But

484
00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:32.359
the other reason why running as a
Democrat doesn't make a lot of sense either

485
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:38.480
is because one of the issues that
he's been the most involved in is it

486
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:45.440
has been like he's been one of
the faces of the anti vaccine movement for

487
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:50.640
lack of better term, and recently, especially of late, it seems like

488
00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:54.640
it you see many more people on
the Democratic side that are causing these issues

489
00:33:54.680 --> 00:34:00.119
and being much more idealistic with their
opinions on the so much more extreme with

490
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:06.000
their opinions on it. So that's
why it's it was a little bit surprising

491
00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:08.360
it was surprising, like I said, but one, it was surprising that

492
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:12.159
he didn't run as an independent.
I get why, you know, I

493
00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:15.880
do understand why he would do that, because if you're trying to get into

494
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:17.639
debates. Of everybody who runs,
they talk about it, how like if

495
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:21.719
you don't get in debates, you
have zero chance. Ron Paul was a

496
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:24.920
libertarian. He ran as a Republican. Right people kind of knew that,

497
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:30.119
like he'sn't you know, he really
has libertarian views. But to be in

498
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:34.440
the conversation, he almost had to
run as a Republican. So but in

499
00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:37.559
Shorthand. In Shorthand, though,
you have to go with one of the

500
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:42.960
major parties if you want guaranteed ballot
access in all fifty states. I mean,

501
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:45.320
that's really what the bottom line is. Even aside from the debates and

502
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:49.519
whatever it is. You can buy
commercial airtime, et cetera, et cetera.

503
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:52.760
It kind of comes down to that, doesn't it. Ballot access is

504
00:34:52.760 --> 00:35:00.320
assured only in all fifty states only
if you're a part of one of the

505
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:04.360
two wings of what I describe as
the one party system. You have to

506
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:07.000
be an R or a D in
order to have ballot access. I mean,

507
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:10.599
isn't that the bottom line? Yeah, yeah, well, I mean

508
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:15.679
basically, you have to join one
of the cults or clubs or gangs if

509
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:17.440
you want to play their game.
And that's I think that's what he did.

510
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:21.880
Like Bernie Sanders probably did not belong
as a Democrat. Let's go on

511
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:23.159
the other side of the equation,
right, he really should have been an

512
00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:30.320
independent under the Socialist or under the
let's call it the you know, the

513
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:34.800
the Democrat Classic party, right,
you know, like when they came out

514
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:38.039
with new Coke and they had Classic
Coke which wound up becoming coke again,

515
00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:44.079
you know, again the corporate branding. It's very relevant. The thing is

516
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:52.239
Bernie Sanders probably not legitimately a Democrat
per se. Ron Paul probably not legitimately

517
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:55.880
a Republican. Of course, it's
more conducive to his overall viewpoint, and

518
00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:00.280
he maintained that. But another guy
who probably should have had an eye in

519
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:05.320
front of his name instead of an
R. But he went with it again

520
00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:09.400
ballad access and it's got it's you
know, pros and cons. But it

521
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:14.400
just seemed to me like what if
he did run as a Republican because other

522
00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:17.519
relatives, other people in the bloodline. Believe it or not, there are

523
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:22.320
many different cousins, second cousin,
third cousin, this that third thing.

524
00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:28.280
I mean, there's even a congressman
named John Kennedy the third or whatever in

525
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:35.159
Congress who is some distant relative and
he's a Republican. There are various Republicans,

526
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:37.960
either they share the name or they
don't, that are part of the

527
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:42.400
bloodline that have gone in all different
directions, more liberal, less liberal.

528
00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:47.000
I mean, clearly there's a a
huge difference between the Democratic Party that his

529
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:54.320
father and indeed his uncle were rock
stars within. But you know so today's

530
00:36:54.440 --> 00:37:01.440
modern Democratic Party really truthfully, intellectually, spiritually does not even remotely match what

531
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:06.800
was. But having said all that, why do you think it's even more

532
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:12.480
disconcerting if he gives in to the
Democratic side, because saying that, well,

533
00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:15.360
he's more on the ANTIQ back.
I don't know that that doesn't sound

534
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:19.960
like that's the whole explanation. What
really, I mean, really nuts and

535
00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:25.000
bolts, what's the I mean,
I just have this feeling that in general,

536
00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:32.800
it's just a little less grading to
your being in general, that somebody

537
00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:37.360
is a Republican as opposed to a
Democrat. I mean not to the point

538
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:40.079
of being like Alex Jones was,
the left right paradigm is false, The

539
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:43.960
left right paradigm is false. E
left right paradigm is false, but the

540
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:46.400
right wing is kind of Okay,
the left right, you're not doing that.

541
00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:53.159
But what is it that's just really
the bottom sticking point. I mean,

542
00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:59.280
are they more totalitarian in their ways? Is that what the key is?

543
00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:04.000
They're less about personal freedoms. I
mean, give me a real broad

544
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:09.159
stroke here. What is the toxicity
level that is even greater with the Democrats

545
00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:12.840
than it would be if he came
out and said, you know what,

546
00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:19.280
I'm running as a Republican. Well, I mean, the majority of his

547
00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:24.000
interviews and the majority of his work
the last few years or I mean for

548
00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:29.920
quite a few years now, has
been vaccine related and medical freedom related.

549
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:34.719
So if you look at it,
who's been the most extreme in regards that

550
00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:37.519
are like pushing you know, vaccines
on a children and the mandates all that

551
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:42.159
stuff, It's been people on the
left. I mean, that's you know,

552
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:47.079
but in regards to the left right
thing, and I look at things

553
00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:52.480
like, okay, at this current
time, who seems to be worst?

554
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:57.760
And you can put your focus on
either one at the moment right now when

555
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:01.360
you look at like the left has
completely lost their mind. Not to say

556
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:06.159
that the rights any better. Now, there's been times in my life where

557
00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:12.119
it's been completely you know, reversed. When I first got into politics for

558
00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:15.079
lack of better term, or just
kind of learning what's really or trying to

559
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:19.239
understand what's really going on in the
world and trying to see, you know,

560
00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:23.000
where a lot of these issues lie, it seemed to be like a

561
00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:27.480
lot of my focus was again,
you know, was Republicans, like they

562
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:30.679
seem to be a cause of a
lot of the world issues. Obviously,

563
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:34.199
you know, as you grow you
realize like they're all getting money from the

564
00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:37.639
same people. They're all for,
you know, expanding the military industrial complex

565
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:42.159
are all for, you know,
giving big farm of money that are all

566
00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:45.239
for, you know, the same
things. But you know, after nine

567
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:51.800
eleven, obviously the Republicans and the
neo cons they were a big part of

568
00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:54.480
pushing these unjust wars and all this
stuff. So a lot of my focus

569
00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:58.599
was that, and a lot of
people used to say things like, oh,

570
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:00.800
what do you think democrats are perfect? If you think democrats are are

571
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:02.599
you know, there's no bad democrat. I'm like, no, no,

572
00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:06.960
just right now, my focus is
on them because my focus needs to be

573
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:08.679
on them. They seem to be
the worst at the moment, and they

574
00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:13.280
seem to be the ones causing,
um, you know, more of the

575
00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:15.760
issues in the world than the other
ones. Not to say that I can't

576
00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:21.440
find issues on the other side.
And you can even make like you said,

577
00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:23.079
you can either make the argument that
it doesn't really fucking matter if you

578
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:27.280
have a D or R nest your
name, Like what does it matter?

579
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:30.840
It just you know, you basically
should just you know, look at them

580
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:32.159
and be like, hey, they're
all getting money from obvious. You know,

581
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:36.440
I've I've talked to Jack abram Off, you know, I've I've had

582
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:39.960
them on for that purpose because I
wanted to highlight how ridiculous it is the

583
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:43.599
fact that people think like, oh, it's it's because of this, or

584
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:46.760
it's because it's like no, they
all they all get given language and they

585
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:50.719
say, here, put this in
the bill. They don't even care what

586
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:52.880
it stands for, what it is
or whatever. They don't care about any

587
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:57.159
of that stuff. So if they
ever even bothered to read the damn things

588
00:40:57.159 --> 00:41:00.280
that are presented or allegedly, you
know, an assumed by their staffers who

589
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:04.800
give them a summary. I love, by the way, you want to

590
00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:07.679
talk about somebody who did something good
on the left, And again not saying

591
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:12.599
that I endorsed the man, but
when Michael Moore came out with that congressman

592
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.639
who sat there, sit down,
my son, we don't read any of

593
00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:22.679
the legislature. I thought that was
beautiful because that absolutely made a superb point.

594
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:28.840
That was undoubtedly something that most people
didn't consider. So what you're saying

595
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:35.800
is it's based on the emergent behaviors
and what else could we call it?

596
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:40.639
The posture of the overall Democratic Party, in your mind, is just more

597
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:49.679
toxic, more more dangerous, more
painful, more punishing to freedom and people

598
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:52.440
in general at this moment. Yeah, they just seem more problematic at the

599
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:54.840
moment. And not to say that
the you know, and again it's like,

600
00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:59.199
I'm not a Republican. I mean, I'm not a religious person.

601
00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:01.800
You know, I could say I'm
a spiritual person, but I'm not like

602
00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:09.239
a classic religious conservative or anything like
that. I've never once even you know,

603
00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:15.239
consider myself of a Republican or conservative
or anything from the right. I

604
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:16.800
actually to be honest, Like,
growing up, I used to debate a

605
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:22.599
lot of Republicans. I get in
like, you know, just debates with

606
00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:29.440
them because of the wars, right, Like a lot of times when having

607
00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:32.400
to defend that team, it's your
team. So durn I remember during Iraq

608
00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:37.159
Wars, during our invasion, of
involvement in Afghanistan, and just about every

609
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:43.480
military um you know uh strategy that
they had, you know, that was

610
00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:45.639
or at least sold to the public. I would always say, like,

611
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:49.119
that's not really why they're doing it. And a Republican would or a conservative

612
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:52.039
would be like, no, no, it was because there are danger to

613
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:54.239
our freedoms or you know, we're
fighting terrorism or any of this stuff.

614
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:55.920
And I'm like, dude, what
are you talking. No, that's not

615
00:42:55.960 --> 00:43:00.639
why we're there. We're doing it
to help haula burn and k are and

616
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:05.039
yeah. So in the day,
okay, rewind twenty years, it's two

617
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:07.039
thousand and two. What you're telling
me is you would have been more concerned

618
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:13.519
about the Patriot Act, the war
mongering and profiteering. It would have been

619
00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:16.239
like, wait a minute, the
right wing, the Republicans are actually the

620
00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:22.159
ones who are more toxic, more
in my face they're prosecuting wars under false

621
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:30.760
pretenses and also creating justifications to rob
people of their constitutional freedoms which they're actually

622
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:36.119
endowed by by the matter of their
creation. Okay, regardless of who you

623
00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:38.360
think created them, etc. The
fact that you are created and you have

624
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:42.599
life means you are endowed with certain
rights. They're not granted to you by

625
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:49.159
the government. These people are actually
trying to encroach upon the intended memorialization of

626
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:53.440
it at this time, and for
what for profiteering for war, to make

627
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:59.639
money, yes, and to increase
the tightness of their grip their stranglehold on

628
00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:04.440
people in general. So at that
time, if Bobby Kennedy came out and

629
00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:07.960
put an arm in front of his
name and was deciding to run for president,

630
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:12.400
you would have said, hey,
I'm concerned here because he's going with

631
00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:16.400
the toxic side of the equation.
Yeah, I mean, well, well,

632
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:21.440
hypothetically obviously, but yeah, yeah, of course, I mean again,

633
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:23.400
like neither, I don't. I'm
not one of those people that I've

634
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:28.360
never even cared about. I still
don't care about politics because at the end

635
00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:30.119
of the day, like I you
know, I'll go to the gym and

636
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:35.320
I'll have people at the gym.
Hey, you know this Nancy Pelosi did

637
00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:37.960
this or what. And I'm like, I don't care about this theater.

638
00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:39.920
Like to me, I like looking
at things from the big picture, and

639
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:45.639
I like kind of zooming out because
you can really, you can get really

640
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:50.000
caught up in like everyday events and
all this like you know drama, this

641
00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:52.920
political drama of like oh, this
person doesn't get along with that person,

642
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:54.440
or this person did this and this
person. You know, it's like I

643
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:59.519
don't here. Like to me,
it's like it doesn't it doesn't really have

644
00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:04.119
a major effect on things. And
typically what you're seeing on TV is just

645
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:07.159
the theater, and you don't it's
a puppet show, and the people controlling

646
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:10.760
the puppets are the are the people
that I'm really interested in, and I'm

647
00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:15.880
really interested in their you know,
their global plan and how they're you know,

648
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:19.519
the baby steps in certain directions,
you know, and and the thing

649
00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:22.199
is like a lot of this stuff
like you know p Nact before nine to

650
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:25.960
eleven, um, you know,
and all these things that happened that that

651
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:29.559
you know, you could kind of
see like Okay, there's a there's a

652
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:34.159
playbook, and we're going into a
specific direction, and to me, it's

653
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:37.960
like trying to figure that out and
seeing the baby steps and trying to connect

654
00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:43.119
the puzzle pieces. To me,
that's much more important to to basically,

655
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:46.159
And at the end of the day, like every major issue that that happens

656
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:51.000
in the world, you can find
Democrats and Republicans that are all on board,

657
00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:52.320
you know, like they were all
on board going to war. They're

658
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:55.920
all on board, you know a
lot of this stuff so um, you

659
00:45:55.960 --> 00:46:00.239
know, in regards to the vaccine
issue and the mandates, I do think

660
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:05.920
that a lot of people like I
I what I stand for hasn't changed now

661
00:46:05.960 --> 00:46:08.239
the people who happened to be fighting
for a lot of the similar things.

662
00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:13.159
That has changed. When I first
got into podcasting and I was talking about

663
00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:16.599
organic food and I was talking about
pesticides and GMOs and all this stuff.

664
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:22.199
Guests who was also pushing for you
know, um to get pests, you

665
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:24.840
know, to fight against monsanto and
you know, um GMOs and all this

666
00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:29.480
stuff, it was people on the
on the left. And now like I'm

667
00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:32.079
still fighting for the same things.
I'm fighting against chemical companies and big pharma

668
00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:37.599
and and and getting people to try
to live a more natural lifestyle. And

669
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:40.000
and do things that you should be
doing, like exercising and breathing clean air,

670
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:45.239
and eating things you can pick and
grow and kill and uh and farming

671
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:47.840
and all this stuff. Like now
it just happens that the same people that

672
00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:52.519
are four of those things just happened
to be more on the right. You

673
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:54.920
know, when I was going to
um, uh you know, uh anti

674
00:46:55.079 --> 00:47:01.000
COVID vaccine rallies, you know,
which is a a a subject and topic

675
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:06.079
that I've been I've never really changed. I've always been very pro like,

676
00:47:06.199 --> 00:47:08.639
increase your immune system naturally if you
can. You know, I'm not a

677
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:14.119
fan of vaccines. I go to
these rallies and what would I see?

678
00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:16.400
Tons of Trump signs. It's not
that I'm a Trumper. I'm not a

679
00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:22.440
Trump fan. But it just happened
that the people who were Trump fans were

680
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:23.880
fighting for the same thing I'm fighting. So it's like it's, you know,

681
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:30.000
like that's saying if I'm a enemy
of my enemy is my friend or

682
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:32.239
however it goes, but like basically
we're both fighting for the same It's just

683
00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:37.119
the way the wind, the way
the political and psychological and historical wind has

684
00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:42.679
decided to blow, you end up
you know, let's imagine this as a

685
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:45.480
giant yard full of leaves. You're
kind of ending up in a pile of

686
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:51.760
leaves that happen to be red colored
at the moment and happened to be uh,

687
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:53.639
well, you know, a bunch
of Trump stamps on them, right,

688
00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:59.119
Okay, that is that is what's
going on temporarily, But not because

689
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:02.079
you're adopting everything that they're saying.
It just so happens that at this moment

690
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:07.760
it is aligning with some of the
things that they are making noise about.

691
00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:12.480
Now as to whether that's a legitimate
thing coming from everybody on the right,

692
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:16.000
just like I don't think it was
always legitimate when people on the left fought

693
00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:21.480
for certain things. I think you
have a good deal of that on all

694
00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:24.800
sides. So you know, again, I think reevaluation is necessary at all

695
00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:30.199
points. But I want to stick
to the RFK issue and not devolve into

696
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:32.760
just the okay, have you gone
into Trump landier or not, because that

697
00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:37.760
to me is just you know,
it's just such a waste of time anyway

698
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:40.000
to go back into this. If
you don't mind, I mean, look,

699
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:43.679
if you're if you want to change
directions, let me know Ricky.

700
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:46.159
We could do it right now,
live and we could talk about anything,

701
00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:52.559
but I'm enjoying this deeper dive.
Do you mind, No, not at

702
00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:54.280
all. I mean I'm done to
talk about anything and everything. So you

703
00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:59.039
know, if we can talk about
a thousand different subjects where we can talk

704
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:01.360
to focus on one, I'm cool
with either way. Excellent. Let's keep

705
00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:07.239
firing at the RFK situation because I
find this to be a very curious and

706
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:13.320
informative examination. When it comes to
people that I know are thoughtful, that

707
00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:20.719
I know are informing themselves and simultaneously
informing others, I think it's very important

708
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:25.840
to examine exactly where it's coming from. Okay, so back to the RFK

709
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:30.400
thing. Because I find myself in
a curious position. I want you,

710
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:32.840
if you feel like it, to
go ahead and get your sample that you

711
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:37.039
wanted from me, at least my
little you know, three grains of sand

712
00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:39.800
that you're going to need for the
whole beach coming from me because I'm a

713
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:44.559
weirdo. But get them any which
way you want when I'm done here,

714
00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:49.480
please, here's the thing, another
part of this RFK thing. Because I'm

715
00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:53.519
a little conflicted for different reasons again, I don't want to lionize, and

716
00:49:53.679 --> 00:50:00.679
believe me, I don't understand how
you call these Democrats liberals. To me,

717
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:05.119
none of what they do is actually
liberal. I have more. I

718
00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:09.480
might actually be a classic liberal somewhere. I mean a liberal as in libertarian

719
00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:13.639
type of liberal. But look enough
about me. I want to get back

720
00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:20.880
to you. Here's the thing.
If he goes independent, I get it,

721
00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:23.320
that's a choice and everything else,
but we've already outlined how that could

722
00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:29.840
be counterproductive overall a guy like this
on balance, even if you do see

723
00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:32.800
and by the way, I still
even though you're currently finding the Dems to

724
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:38.480
be more damaging than the rip pubs, you know, one gang or the

725
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:42.559
other. Jesse Ventur did a great
thing. What was it, the real

726
00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:50.440
blood Lakins and the and the Democrits
right something like that. Yeah, I

727
00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:52.840
see crypts are blue. Yeah,
that all makes sense. The blue bandanna

728
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:58.360
goes with Okay, got it?
Anyhow, great thing there. But and

729
00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:01.079
it is like a street gang for
for pussies, um, you know,

730
00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:05.440
because they would never actually do the
dirty work themselves. I mean, at

731
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:07.079
least, if you're gonna go be
a blood, you gotta go get a

732
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:10.760
buck in a quarter, which means
you gotta slash somebody's face with a razor

733
00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:15.559
to get one hundred and twenty five
stitches. And that's called getting a bucket

734
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:21.559
a quarter in the Northeastern You know
gang rights of being a blood anyway,

735
00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:25.559
Why do I know these things?
Another another podcast? Um, I was

736
00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:30.400
never a blood. I was never
a member of any street gang anyway.

737
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:37.039
Back to it though, um So
with Bobby Kennedy and him coming out now,

738
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:42.239
I'm already seeing he's got a guy
that was part of Black Rock that

739
00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:45.159
is coming in to assist with his
financial situation. I don't know if you

740
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:49.679
know about that. Some people look
at it as, oh, great,

741
00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:52.679
a successful businessman is going to come
in and run some of the financial aspects

742
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:59.719
of his campaign. I of course
have mixed feelings about that. You and

743
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:02.280
I both know a little bit about
Blackrock and what goes on there. You

744
00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:07.239
can't argue with their success, But
is it nefarious? What's up with that?

745
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:10.440
And also, is this a guy
who's going to come in and sort

746
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:16.119
of kneecap things from the inside.
Because of my estimation when certain people got

747
00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:22.360
involved with Ron Paul's campaign, all
of the legitimate sentiment all of the legitimate

748
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:25.360
support, all of the people that
were coming together with the idea that they

749
00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:31.800
actually had a different option on the
table. You know, all that good

750
00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:37.880
stuff sort of got kneecapped. Same
thing again. I like giving you both

751
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:44.199
sides as best I can when there's
allegedly two sides, you know, Bernie

752
00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:46.920
Sanders, when people, really the
corporate Democrat people got involved in there,

753
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:50.840
all of a sudden, the guy
who looked like he was about ready to

754
00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:57.559
overtake the establishment candidate, they couldn't
legitimately generate, you know, enough enthusiasm

755
00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:00.679
to get a fart bubble out of
a bathtub. Okay, when it came

756
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:02.960
to Hitlery Clinton, excuse me,
Hitlery, Sorry, I shouldn't never bring

757
00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:12.559
up hitler insult to German people,
Hillary Clinton. Yeah, when you're dealing

758
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:17.440
with that, right, and that's
the opposition they needed to silence, cut

759
00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:24.599
down, slow down, and completely
kneecapped Bernie Sanders hole movement. You end

760
00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:29.239
up with a movement, and this
time it's a BM instead of the actual

761
00:53:29.360 --> 00:53:32.719
thing. They kneecapped him. They've
done this to many different candidates, a

762
00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:36.960
lot quicker, a lot sooner,
a lot easier, and it happens.

763
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:42.519
This is literally one of the great
well moves. When it comes to controlled

764
00:53:42.519 --> 00:53:46.239
opposition, you control the opposition,
you create the illusion of a possibility of

765
00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:52.480
Sorry, I have to laugh before
I was saying hope and change, right,

766
00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:55.280
you know, abandon all hope,
beg for change. And oh,

767
00:53:55.360 --> 00:53:59.960
by the way, if you didn't
like hope and change for brown people,

768
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:02.599
we give it to you for orange
Excuse me, I mean white people when

769
00:54:02.599 --> 00:54:07.000
it comes to Trump, because again
I believe another deception. Here is your

770
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:14.519
alleged opposition. Embrace it. Embrace
it because it has no legitimate chance of

771
00:54:14.599 --> 00:54:22.280
actually changing anything. Anyhow, Ignore
all that. Here's the thing, what

772
00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:25.719
about the idea that he might just
indeed be dangerous enough to be derailed?

773
00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:31.440
Because I'm sure if somebody, somehow, you know, did a terrible thing

774
00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:36.800
like becoming a lone wolf assassin with
three names and got to a guy again

775
00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:40.559
ironically much like his father, I
mean, that would tell me that he's

776
00:54:40.599 --> 00:54:51.559
certainly represented a very serious threat to
the establishment. Anyhow, I could definitely

777
00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:54.880
see somebody making moves to kneecap him
right away, etc. Etc. And

778
00:54:55.079 --> 00:54:59.519
all of his focus, by the
bye, has not been just on vaccines.

779
00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:02.079
I know that that's part of what
you and I would see, because

780
00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:07.360
it definitely stuck out like a sore
tongue, and he definitely made some noise.

781
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:14.159
I mean, the Anthony Fauci book
alone was definitely an eye opener,

782
00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:17.880
and all that plus many other statements
he made, I mean, even coming

783
00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:27.280
down to the whole situation with the
convicted assassin of his father, right and

784
00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:30.079
siding with the idea that maybe he
should be paroled. You're aware of that

785
00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:36.000
too, right, Ricky, Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's That's one

786
00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:38.199
of the reasons why I have a
little bit of faith in him is because

787
00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:43.559
I do know because of you know, where he stands on his uncle and

788
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:51.519
his dad's assassination. Obviously he's quite
aware of the deep state and the inner

789
00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:58.400
workings of government and who pulls the
strings, because I think his family members,

790
00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:01.360
as dad included, push back a
little bit and or a lot of

791
00:56:01.400 --> 00:56:06.639
bit and and got themselves in some
trouble because of it, and so it

792
00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:10.119
makes me it's a little confusion.
And again this adds a little bit of

793
00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:17.199
the confusion of why he would would
have any faith in either political party,

794
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:21.800
unless, like you said before,
it was because they understand, like you

795
00:56:21.920 --> 00:56:25.760
have to at least at least consider
yourself a part of one of the gangs

796
00:56:27.159 --> 00:56:30.280
to h to at least be able
to play the game. And um so

797
00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:35.760
I think, you know, more
importantly than what he calls himself, you

798
00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:38.719
know, an independent Democrat, whatever
it may be. More important than that

799
00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:42.960
is like what he stands for and
what he says, and what you know,

800
00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:46.519
what he he says he's gonna try
to implement and change. To me,

801
00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:50.239
that's the part that you know that
I think people should listen to.

802
00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:53.639
Now, you know, maybe they
shouldn't put a whole lot of focus on

803
00:56:54.079 --> 00:56:59.119
you know, what he's running as, and focus more on you know,

804
00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:00.599
what he says, because at the
end of the day, like you said,

805
00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:06.000
Ron Paul's a perfect example. He's
somebody who and Bernie Sanders, I

806
00:57:06.039 --> 00:57:08.840
mean Bernie. The problem with the
US is that there's only two political parties,

807
00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:12.440
or at least the only two political
parties that matter, and only two

808
00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:15.800
political parties that people let U be
the focus of, uh, you know,

809
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:23.119
the running for president. So regardless
if your ideologies or your worldviews or

810
00:57:23.119 --> 00:57:27.960
your perspectives don't fit in those boxes, you have to find a way to

811
00:57:27.960 --> 00:57:30.599
fit in those boxes, because if
not, you're just not a part of

812
00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:34.679
the conversation. So I think that's
what happened. Um, you know,

813
00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:37.719
I know, you know the links
between you know, the Black Rock and

814
00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:43.199
the you know, some of the
people that there's there's all these rooms that

815
00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:47.039
circling I don't know how true they
are, and I don't know how you

816
00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:51.159
know, Schicy the people are that
he's putting around him. Well, that's

817
00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:54.840
not a rumor. That's that's been
announced by the guy himself and also acknowledged

818
00:57:55.679 --> 00:58:00.599
by orf K Junior that he has
brought this guy in to do some of

819
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:06.519
the workings when it comes to his
the financial end of his campaign. That's

820
00:58:06.519 --> 00:58:09.400
not rumor or anything. And that
guy definitely was with Black Rock as far

821
00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:14.360
as I know. I mean,
unless you've got some other information that somehow

822
00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:20.880
this has been elaborately presented in a
weird way. Even somebody writing with doctor

823
00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:27.400
McCullough's group was writing about it day
before yesterday, I think, well,

824
00:58:27.639 --> 00:58:29.519
you know, and that might be
the case. But the thing is we

825
00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:31.679
have to be like reserve a little
bit of judgment because you look at like

826
00:58:31.760 --> 00:58:36.880
somebody like Edward Dowd, who's been
doing a bunch of interviews. He's the

827
00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:39.360
one who wrote I think he wrote
the book Sudden Death, or he's been

828
00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:45.960
on a bunch of shows he's and
he worked for black Rock and that's one

829
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:52.320
of them. Yeah, he's now
doing amazing work getting the information out there

830
00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:55.719
and getting people aware of the fact
that we you know, deaths all over

831
00:58:55.760 --> 00:59:00.719
the world of just increased drastically.
And this guy, I would say,

832
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:02.400
is one of the good guys.
And yet you know, he worked for

833
00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:06.519
a black Rock So I think sometimes, you know, we do have to

834
00:59:06.559 --> 00:59:10.400
reserve judge when you might get somebody
who worked for a very shitty corporation and

835
00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:15.960
or a company or was a part
of a group, but maybe you know,

836
00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:19.119
they worked there for a little bit
of time, or maybe they they

837
00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:22.199
they worked there, but they weren't
a part of any of the other stuff

838
00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:25.159
that we're discussing. You know,
maybe there he was just investing in a

839
00:59:25.239 --> 00:59:30.400
part of you know, office space
that was really not focused on trying to

840
00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:36.199
control everything. He was just focused
on his specific job of like investing or

841
00:59:36.239 --> 00:59:39.480
whatever he was doing. So you
know, it's it is one of those

842
00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:43.639
things where like I have to do
a little bit more of a deep dive.

843
00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:46.159
I want to believe that maybe this
guy is just good for the job,

844
00:59:46.519 --> 00:59:50.599
and when he worked at Black Rock, he was just good at what

845
00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:53.760
he was doing, you know.
And you know, I remember, I

846
00:59:54.320 --> 00:59:58.639
can't remember who it was. There's
but quite a few really good guests that

847
00:59:58.679 --> 01:00:02.320
I've had on that we're investment bankers
at big firms or you know, or

848
01:00:02.519 --> 01:00:06.039
you know, did something else that
you're like, oh, you work for

849
01:00:06.079 --> 01:00:08.039
them. You know, they're very
evil, they're bad, but you know

850
01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:13.000
they happen to be good people who
are now doing amazing work. So you

851
01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:15.199
know, yeah, I mean,
you definitely don't want to jump to conclusions

852
01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:19.239
and um, and maybe he is
the best person for the job, and

853
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:22.519
maybe he's not. Uh you know, the person he hired isn't somebody who

854
01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:25.599
but you're right, But you also
have to be skeptical of the fact that

855
01:00:25.639 --> 01:00:30.119
like maybe they're trying to sabotage or
maybe they're there. You know, that's

856
01:00:30.159 --> 01:00:34.039
also a concern. So there is
a you know, the thing about this,

857
01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:37.440
uh, this Kennedy running thing is
that there's a lot of speculation,

858
01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:42.280
a lot of like what if,
and there's we don't really have much more

859
01:00:42.320 --> 01:00:45.079
information to run on, like we
kind of have to like listen to interviews,

860
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:49.480
get his perspectives, see what he
believes in. I know there's been

861
01:00:49.480 --> 01:00:55.119
a lot of people concerned about his
perspective on um energy companies and alternative energy

862
01:00:55.239 --> 01:01:01.159
and all this type of um What
like, what what's your concerns about him

863
01:01:01.239 --> 01:01:06.400
or or do you not have concerns? And what's just your opinion on him

864
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:09.800
running? Are you concerned about,
you know, his perspectives on anything,

865
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:14.400
if it's energy, if it's military, if it's whatever it may be.

866
01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:19.320
Are there any concerns and also are
there any things you like about him that

867
01:01:19.400 --> 01:01:22.840
maybe give you a little bit of
hope. Well, I'll be straightforward with

868
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:27.159
you, and I know it doesn't
sound like it during this discussion, but

869
01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:32.519
here's the thing I have not been
happy with or engaged in. I have

870
01:01:32.559 --> 01:01:37.639
not voted for quite a while because
I found it pointless, useless, and

871
01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:45.239
there was absolutely nobody that I would
want to endorse at the top of just

872
01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:50.639
about any ticket. I have withdrawn
for the most part from voting and I

873
01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:53.119
comment on it. I also feel
as though it's best for me to remain

874
01:01:53.119 --> 01:01:57.400
objective, so I'm not rooting for
a team or anything. You know what

875
01:01:57.440 --> 01:02:01.199
I mean or an individual. I'm
just trying to look back at everything objectively.

876
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:06.039
When it comes to all the political
parties and all the offices being offered,

877
01:02:06.199 --> 01:02:13.320
my faith in the system is effectively
at an anti faith status, and

878
01:02:13.519 --> 01:02:19.079
that's the way it is. And
yet I'll tell you that rfk Jr.

879
01:02:19.559 --> 01:02:24.480
Having a legitimate run might put me
back in to where I think that if

880
01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:30.199
this guy gets anywhere with it,
it shows that there might be just enough

881
01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:37.840
wiggle room in the corrupt, clamp
down bought and paid for almost hollow system,

882
01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:45.760
a bullshit that they have hoisted upon
us all for about the entire time

883
01:02:45.800 --> 01:02:52.280
I've been living and breathing on this
planet. There might actually be hoped that

884
01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:54.639
there is some way that we could
be represented. And I don't have to

885
01:02:54.679 --> 01:02:59.679
agree with everything, I don't have
to like everything. On balance, I

886
01:02:59.679 --> 01:03:02.599
can say this that my objective you
with a guy, and I've been observing

887
01:03:02.679 --> 01:03:08.000
him for many years for many reasons, to see what he might do regarding

888
01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:14.480
the assassinations, etc. I say
this is that first of all, he

889
01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:17.880
could get into a position of power
and change a bit. He does seem

890
01:03:17.920 --> 01:03:22.480
to be open to the idea of
well, gee, I have new information,

891
01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:30.719
so I might alter my opinion based
on being better informed in general across

892
01:03:30.760 --> 01:03:32.719
the board. That's the kind of
guy who seems to be, and I

893
01:03:32.840 --> 01:03:44.000
might re engage with this thing called
voting and the selections which are generally preordained

894
01:03:44.440 --> 01:03:50.719
toxic and have virtually nothing to do
with me when it comes to selecting these

895
01:03:50.719 --> 01:03:53.599
people, and whether I support them
or not, or whether I support their

896
01:03:53.599 --> 01:03:57.880
ideas or not, things are going
to get done. And I think that

897
01:03:58.000 --> 01:04:02.920
is the status for most of us
who don't have be paid to play resources

898
01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:09.639
bank accounts to really engage. If
you can't buy a piece of the system,

899
01:04:09.760 --> 01:04:12.679
you ain't playing. You got to
buy chips to play in the casino.

900
01:04:13.159 --> 01:04:16.119
And if you can't afford the chips, you're just an observer. That's

901
01:04:16.119 --> 01:04:19.840
the way I feel I have been, and continue to be and will continue

902
01:04:19.880 --> 01:04:27.400
to be. But a ray of
hope is here. Not saying oh,

903
01:04:27.400 --> 01:04:30.199
here comes to the Savior. No, But a ray of hope is there

904
01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:36.880
that perhaps if this guy gets anywhere
near a position of power, then that

905
01:04:36.920 --> 01:04:45.440
means that there is a vague,
small minute possibility that legitimate individuals who might

906
01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:48.039
be able to represent the will of
the people. One way or another and

907
01:04:48.119 --> 01:04:53.840
to do some honest, decent things
from a position of power in our corrupt

908
01:04:53.880 --> 01:05:02.639
system. They might actually be a
possibility, a potential reality as opposed to

909
01:05:02.679 --> 01:05:08.800
the fairy tale that I have pretty
much consistently believed. This whole thing is

910
01:05:10.320 --> 01:05:14.519
sounds a little odd, doesn't it. Well? No, but but were

911
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:17.400
you a fan of Ron Paul when
he ran? And if not, yes,

912
01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:21.440
what are you were? Okay?
So yeah, it's a very because

913
01:05:21.480 --> 01:05:27.519
I feel like they're very similar.
The fan base is gonna be very similar

914
01:05:27.559 --> 01:05:33.639
in regards to um why we like
them as a possible uh you know,

915
01:05:33.679 --> 01:05:39.639
like you said, an opportunity to
have some hope and and somebody running that

916
01:05:39.639 --> 01:05:44.039
that might actually be decent and and
go beyond that. Let me tell you

917
01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:47.000
a couple of other presidential candidates that
were possibilities, and a couple of them

918
01:05:47.039 --> 01:05:53.360
got close or got onto the ballot
under an independent label. Even though Cynthia

919
01:05:53.400 --> 01:05:58.119
McKinney has personally pissed off at me
a little bit, Um, I love

920
01:05:58.159 --> 01:06:01.159
her. I would have gladly he's
seen her as president or vice president.

921
01:06:01.239 --> 01:06:06.519
Cynthia McKinney Ron Paul I thought would
have been a great candidate if he was

922
01:06:06.559 --> 01:06:12.960
allowed to exercise any sort of power
from that office. And guess what,

923
01:06:13.159 --> 01:06:18.960
I also think that Bernie Sanders would
have been a very very nice shake up

924
01:06:19.840 --> 01:06:25.599
to the system. Okay, we
got problems across the board. I mean,

925
01:06:25.639 --> 01:06:30.679
I would definitely prefer Cynthia McKinney's view
on Israel as opposed to Ron Paul's

926
01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:36.840
view or even Bernie sanders view.
Right, I might approve of some of

927
01:06:36.880 --> 01:06:44.079
the things that Ron Paul had to
say regarding the economic situation. I definitely

928
01:06:44.079 --> 01:06:48.280
would have loved to have seen the
entire system that we have with the Federal

929
01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:55.039
Reserve altered, put back into the
control of the people that are actually participating

930
01:06:55.559 --> 01:06:59.239
in the system. Would have loved
to have seen a lot of things like

931
01:06:59.280 --> 01:07:02.119
that. But you see, I'm
not all that, you know. I

932
01:07:02.159 --> 01:07:05.360
say some of that stuff, and
immediately I know you're not gonna hang up

933
01:07:05.360 --> 01:07:09.920
on me, Ricky, I don't
think. But some people would hang up

934
01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:13.639
on me with the Bernie Sanders mentioned. Some people would hang up on me

935
01:07:13.800 --> 01:07:18.760
with the hey, look, Israel
not a fan. Not because I got

936
01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:23.440
problems with Jewish people, of course, but because I had problems with open

937
01:07:23.480 --> 01:07:30.199
air concentration camps and also there is
a dubious situation there regarding what happened to

938
01:07:30.679 --> 01:07:34.920
the Palestinians. And I know and
these are my opinions, not those of

939
01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:41.440
Ricky Brande's or anybody else connected to
this discussion. Let's make that clear.

940
01:07:41.599 --> 01:07:45.239
I'm not speaking for anybody but myself. But there is a wide array of

941
01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:48.440
things. And do I think Bobby
Kennedy would be great on all foreign policy

942
01:07:48.880 --> 01:07:54.199
fronts? No, But in general, I think he would be less likely

943
01:07:54.760 --> 01:07:58.920
to want to engage US in wars
for the sake of the military industrial complex

944
01:07:58.960 --> 01:08:03.880
alone. I think that medical freedom
might be something that is important to him.

945
01:08:04.679 --> 01:08:09.599
I think that people's freedoms in general
might be important to him. I

946
01:08:09.679 --> 01:08:12.119
even got a bad taste in my
mouth though, a few years ago,

947
01:08:12.840 --> 01:08:15.920
when the price tag for getting him
to show up or anything was twenty five

948
01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:20.920
thousand dollars. And I have several
times attempted to get him on my show.

949
01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:26.920
I would love to have fifteen minutes
with him to ask him a few

950
01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:32.600
questions. But have I answered your
question, Ricky? Yeah, I mean,

951
01:08:36.560 --> 01:08:40.960
well, I'm curious, But I'm
curious. So you told me he

952
01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:45.600
would give you a little ray if
sunshine from the hope sun but a little

953
01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:53.199
bit of But is there any You've
said, you've heard him talk, but

954
01:08:53.319 --> 01:08:58.399
a bit what issues would you have
with him? Like running? I mean,

955
01:08:58.600 --> 01:09:00.279
are there any concerns about him?
Just I mean, are there any

956
01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:04.479
concerns about this idea of because I
think we're both kind of on the same

957
01:09:04.479 --> 01:09:09.920
page in regards to knowing that it's
basically a rigged system if he's part of

958
01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:14.880
the system, um either you know, is there any concern about him maybe

959
01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:19.439
potentially becoming a part of the problem, right, like potentially you know,

960
01:09:20.039 --> 01:09:25.079
um, not having any and even
if it's heart's in the right place,

961
01:09:25.119 --> 01:09:30.720
like you said, I'm I believe
Ron Paul, Bernie Sanders, even Trump

962
01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:34.079
supporters. I think a lot of
these people, Ralph Nader, Ross Perrow,

963
01:09:34.520 --> 01:09:40.119
these are all people. I think
their supporters have a lot of similarities.

964
01:09:40.119 --> 01:09:43.239
They're basically like, Hey, I'm
sick of the same old cookie cutter

965
01:09:43.279 --> 01:09:47.239
politician. We need something drastically different. Even if different isn't better, it's

966
01:09:47.560 --> 01:09:53.199
we need different something yeah, right, And it's the same thing, you

967
01:09:53.199 --> 01:09:58.119
know, the socialism thing. And
and you're probably you probably know that,

968
01:09:58.159 --> 01:10:01.239
like you know, a lot of
people in this community, especially in the

969
01:10:01.279 --> 01:10:04.880
community that I hang out, and
there are a lot of people on the

970
01:10:04.960 --> 01:10:10.600
right, a lot of like really
extreme libertarians who believe in no government or

971
01:10:10.840 --> 01:10:16.159
very little to no government. I'm
not against the idea of entertaining some socialist

972
01:10:16.319 --> 01:10:21.840
ideas. I think that whatever perfect
system, if it were to exist,

973
01:10:21.920 --> 01:10:28.279
it probably would be a mixture of
a lot of different ideologies, and socialism

974
01:10:28.279 --> 01:10:30.760
being one of them. I like
the in theory. I like the idea

975
01:10:31.399 --> 01:10:36.640
of us all contributing to help each
other, and I think in theory it's

976
01:10:36.760 --> 01:10:40.319
it's not a bad thing. And
I think a lot of people don't realize

977
01:10:40.359 --> 01:10:45.840
that they are okay with some socialist
ideas like police officers, paved roads.

978
01:10:46.199 --> 01:10:49.359
There's a lot of these. I
mean, these are socialistic ideas that this

979
01:10:49.439 --> 01:10:53.840
idea that we all contribute for a
service, we all contribute for the greater

980
01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:58.039
good. So I think, you
know, so I remember having a debate

981
01:10:58.039 --> 01:11:01.079
with a police officer friend of mine, you know who's who basically said all

982
01:11:01.119 --> 01:11:05.439
socialism is awful, you know,
you know it's it's you know, all

983
01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:10.439
just completely just being over the top. And I'm like, you do realize,

984
01:11:10.479 --> 01:11:15.520
like your job wouldn't exist in that
world, that didn't have some type

985
01:11:15.560 --> 01:11:19.399
of socialism because you are paid by
the taxpayer. You are a part.

986
01:11:19.520 --> 01:11:25.319
We all contribute for your services.
So you know, that's a socialist idea,

987
01:11:25.399 --> 01:11:29.279
you know, a in a um
you know another world that where if

988
01:11:29.319 --> 01:11:31.760
you wanted to remove all socialist ideas
from from the face of the earth,

989
01:11:32.159 --> 01:11:35.720
you wouldn't exist, or you'd be
a private contractor. And I don't you

990
01:11:35.720 --> 01:11:42.760
know, And in this you know
alter reality that libertarians or anarchic libertarians live

991
01:11:42.800 --> 01:11:46.159
in where they think private contractors could
do the job or would do the job.

992
01:11:46.159 --> 01:11:48.840
And again there's flaws in those theories
too. I think at the end

993
01:11:48.880 --> 01:11:54.840
of the day, the causes of
our issues are always going to exist because

994
01:11:54.880 --> 01:12:00.479
the causes of our issues isn't a
ism. It's corruption. And anytime power,

995
01:12:00.760 --> 01:12:04.119
as you know, power, you
know, corrupts absolutely like it's you

996
01:12:04.159 --> 01:12:09.319
know, the left blames blames,
uh, you know, corporations for the

997
01:12:09.359 --> 01:12:14.119
root of all evil are and in
the right blames government for the root of

998
01:12:14.159 --> 01:12:16.119
all evil. And the one thing
they all have in common is that it's

999
01:12:16.159 --> 01:12:20.479
corrupt people who ruin things. And
you know, and that's not going to

1000
01:12:20.600 --> 01:12:24.239
change. It doesn't matter if you
have more or less government or more or

1001
01:12:24.319 --> 01:12:28.359
less corporations doing things without government.
Like, at the end of the day,

1002
01:12:28.399 --> 01:12:30.119
wherever there's money and power, there's
gonna be people who are going to

1003
01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:34.000
take advantage of the system, regardless
what type of system you have. Unions

1004
01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:38.880
in the beginning were there for a
purpose, right, you had to dust

1005
01:12:38.880 --> 01:12:44.319
for a revolution. You had all
these rich families, Rockefellers, the Carnegie's,

1006
01:12:44.319 --> 01:12:46.159
like, all these people making tons
of money and not giving people time

1007
01:12:46.199 --> 01:12:49.600
off, not giving people breaks,
not sharing some of the wealth. Right

1008
01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:53.640
they're making all the money was being
funneled up to the top, and these

1009
01:12:53.680 --> 01:12:56.800
people weren't getting any raises, they
weren't getting time off, they weren't getting

1010
01:12:56.800 --> 01:13:00.960
any any benefits. So unions came
around and said, hey, will represent

1011
01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:03.680
you. Here's somebody who will have
your back or a group that will have

1012
01:13:03.760 --> 01:13:08.640
your back and help try to get
you a fear wage. And then eventually

1013
01:13:09.039 --> 01:13:13.760
that organization the unions got became just
as corrupt as the people they were trying

1014
01:13:13.760 --> 01:13:16.359
to fight against. So that happens
time. So like the common thread is

1015
01:13:16.399 --> 01:13:20.199
always wherever there are people, there
will be corrupt people. So it doesn't

1016
01:13:20.239 --> 01:13:25.920
matter what they're defending or what their
purposes or what their origin story is.

1017
01:13:26.520 --> 01:13:30.680
Eventually, you know, whoever there's
money and power, there will be issues.

1018
01:13:30.760 --> 01:13:34.680
So exactly, well, it look, Ricky, and I've taken you

1019
01:13:34.840 --> 01:13:39.880
way over the time that I wanted
to discuss all this with you, and

1020
01:13:39.920 --> 01:13:44.880
I really appreciate your indulgence, your
patience, and your time. But I

1021
01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:47.800
wanted to kind of tie a bow
on this right now. And I'll tell

1022
01:13:47.840 --> 01:13:51.920
you why, because I take this
as an interesting sign. While we're speaking,

1023
01:13:53.279 --> 01:13:56.960
I'm looking over at an email,
and I just got an email making

1024
01:13:57.079 --> 01:14:00.479
many of the very same points that
you just made, Okay, but they

1025
01:14:00.520 --> 01:14:04.880
sent it ahead of you making those
points, answering part of what I was

1026
01:14:04.920 --> 01:14:10.199
saying, kind of pinging me a
little more for believing in the socialist there,

1027
01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:12.880
you know, giving me a bit
of crap about that. But you

1028
01:14:12.880 --> 01:14:15.760
know where it came from is a
guy who started out his email very long.

1029
01:14:15.800 --> 01:14:24.399
One started out his email reminding me
that I should always re examine people

1030
01:14:24.439 --> 01:14:29.800
and not judge them simply based on
some of the more historically significant things they

1031
01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:33.079
participated in. The ironic thing.
I'm not going to reveal the name of

1032
01:14:33.119 --> 01:14:38.840
the individual who emailed this to me, but the ironic thing is that he's

1033
01:14:38.880 --> 01:14:48.119
probably an extremely well known organized crime
figure that does privately email me and second

1034
01:14:48.239 --> 01:14:56.199
or third generation. I know,
if you've ever watched a documentary on Lakosa

1035
01:14:56.319 --> 01:15:02.079
Nostra that covered the SA seventies,
eighties or nineties, this guy had to

1036
01:15:02.119 --> 01:15:09.000
come up in that documentary, Okay. And it just so happens he's a

1037
01:15:09.039 --> 01:15:14.439
listener and is listening to us right
now, So you know, bon jour,

1038
01:15:14.600 --> 01:15:17.359
no IMG, but you know here
we are, and you're right.

1039
01:15:18.119 --> 01:15:25.159
People do change and things do change, and I do feel good about the

1040
01:15:25.239 --> 01:15:29.760
idea that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Would be a whole lot more of

1041
01:15:29.760 --> 01:15:32.560
a legitimate candidate. I think that's
the thing that I'm looking for, a

1042
01:15:32.680 --> 01:15:38.439
legitimate representative in government. It just
seems that that's the way he would come

1043
01:15:38.439 --> 01:15:41.000
off. And yes, I'm aware, just like you are, Ricky,

1044
01:15:41.079 --> 01:15:45.720
that no matter what, he could
get in there and discover that he's a

1045
01:15:45.720 --> 01:15:53.479
whole lot more handcuffed than he really
is. I think this happened to let's

1046
01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:56.279
go for both sides of the equation, as I so often love to do.

1047
01:15:56.560 --> 01:16:00.199
I think this happened to both John
F. Kennedy and Richard Nixon for

1048
01:16:00.239 --> 01:16:04.079
instance, I think that both of
them had this crazy idea that they were

1049
01:16:04.079 --> 01:16:10.319
in charge and got shown that they
were not. Now, it was a

1050
01:16:10.319 --> 01:16:15.640
little too soon to put a bullet
into Richard Nixon's head, too eliminate the

1051
01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:19.479
issue at the top there that might
not cash them in and get them all

1052
01:16:19.479 --> 01:16:25.800
of what it is they wanted that
they them those with the agendas. So

1053
01:16:25.960 --> 01:16:30.520
instead, what do you do?
You sabotage them by sending in CIA guys

1054
01:16:30.520 --> 01:16:34.399
who actually trained people about how to
do breaking and entering jobs black bag work,

1055
01:16:35.199 --> 01:16:40.560
and make sure that they screw it
up well enough that a hapless security

1056
01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:45.119
guard can pick up the fact that
there's a burglary happening. You know,

1057
01:16:45.239 --> 01:16:48.279
you start out things that way,
and then you get a guy who has

1058
01:16:48.319 --> 01:16:53.319
to resign after a bit because it's
a lot less messy, believe it or

1059
01:16:53.399 --> 01:16:58.439
not. Then you know, somehow
having a situation where a guy in an

1060
01:16:58.479 --> 01:17:02.920
open top limousine get some how publicly
executed in front of about four hundred witnesses.

1061
01:17:03.159 --> 01:17:06.119
I mean, it's a lot easier
to do it that way. It's

1062
01:17:06.159 --> 01:17:11.960
a little cleaner. It looks a
little more like a natural event, doesn't

1063
01:17:11.960 --> 01:17:16.199
it. But anyway, I'm just
saying what I mean to say here is

1064
01:17:16.239 --> 01:17:20.039
again not wishing any ill on Bobby
Kennedy Junior, and not saying that I

1065
01:17:20.119 --> 01:17:25.039
lionize him as a great you know, Oh, the Savior has arrived,

1066
01:17:26.000 --> 01:17:31.399
the Mashiak is here. No.
But what I am saying is it does

1067
01:17:31.640 --> 01:17:38.039
legitimately give me that Ron Paul and
nostalgia Ron I had some faith in.

1068
01:17:38.119 --> 01:17:41.560
I thought he could do some good
at the very least changing things for the

1069
01:17:41.640 --> 01:17:47.199
right direction, etc. But not
necessarily as enthusiastic because I might actually be

1070
01:17:47.319 --> 01:17:51.159
about Robert F. Kennedy Junior,
and not because he's a Kennedy, but

1071
01:17:51.279 --> 01:17:56.720
because he's shown balls to go out
there and do things in spite of what

1072
01:17:56.760 --> 01:18:00.840
the official position is supposed to be, in spite of his party says,

1073
01:18:00.159 --> 01:18:04.279
in spite of what his own family
says. This is a guy who's willing

1074
01:18:04.319 --> 01:18:10.520
to go out there and speak truth
to power and power to truth. So

1075
01:18:11.439 --> 01:18:14.600
sorry, I happen to be on
the side of this might be a good

1076
01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:17.840
thing. This guy running and winning. Now, Kenny Willie, is there

1077
01:18:17.840 --> 01:18:24.000
a possibility Willie be sabotaged? Ricky? I say this, unless you've got

1078
01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:27.960
a great crystal ball. I think
we're all just gonna have to stay tuned.

1079
01:18:28.159 --> 01:18:32.439
What do you think about that?
Yeah, I agree. I mean,

1080
01:18:32.520 --> 01:18:36.000
like, like we talked about before, I'm hearing a lot of people

1081
01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:41.439
in the alternative media community bringing up
all these you know, what ifs and

1082
01:18:41.680 --> 01:18:45.800
speculations and whatever. But you know, I kind of feel like, you

1083
01:18:45.840 --> 01:18:47.039
know what, we kind of just
have to wait and see how it pans

1084
01:18:47.039 --> 01:18:51.680
out. Like why stay here and
demonize somebody that hasn't even done anything wrong

1085
01:18:51.760 --> 01:18:56.560
yet and really has been on our
side and many of these issues for a

1086
01:18:56.600 --> 01:19:00.199
long time, But now just because
he's thrown his name in the race,

1087
01:19:00.319 --> 01:19:02.399
all of a sudden, we want
to demonize him because now you're acting like

1088
01:19:02.479 --> 01:19:08.239
he's joined the other team. And
I think he has just like his family

1089
01:19:08.239 --> 01:19:15.840
members, his father and his uh
can change things from inside. Um.

1090
01:19:15.960 --> 01:19:19.840
But in a way, I'm also
a little surprised that he does think he

1091
01:19:19.880 --> 01:19:25.520
can change things from the inside because
because of his dad and you know the

1092
01:19:25.600 --> 01:19:30.439
way um, you know, the
story of his father and his uncle ended

1093
01:19:30.560 --> 01:19:33.199
and and to me, so it's
like that's the other part too. It's

1094
01:19:33.199 --> 01:19:39.119
like I can see why he would
have faith because of you know those family

1095
01:19:39.520 --> 01:19:43.640
um, that family history but I
also would understand why he wouldn't have faith

1096
01:19:43.720 --> 01:19:45.319
because they attempted to do the same
thing and then look what they did.

1097
01:19:45.359 --> 01:19:48.640
So that's the part that makes things
a little confusing, because I'm like,

1098
01:19:48.640 --> 01:19:53.239
Okay, well, you saw what
happened to your family members. So it's

1099
01:19:53.279 --> 01:19:58.239
like, how far do you think
you could take it before you're at risk

1100
01:19:58.520 --> 01:20:01.119
or in danger or you know,
or maybe they would even light you went

1101
01:20:01.199 --> 01:20:08.000
because if you see that the president
really lacks actual power and that there's all

1102
01:20:08.000 --> 01:20:14.800
this other other behind the scenes things
going on, and yet you're still willing

1103
01:20:14.840 --> 01:20:18.000
to run and think that you changed. So it's like, I'm a little

1104
01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:24.439
confused by that. That's why,
you know, tremendous nuance, because again,

1105
01:20:24.600 --> 01:20:28.600
one must open their minds to the
rest of it too. Ricky,

1106
01:20:28.680 --> 01:20:32.800
and I don't mean to scold you
at all, but please insert this into

1107
01:20:32.840 --> 01:20:38.119
your equation. His uncle, another
one of his uncles, not the one

1108
01:20:38.159 --> 01:20:41.239
that ended up dead in Daily Plaza, but you know, another one of

1109
01:20:41.239 --> 01:20:45.119
his uncles was what the longest standing
senator in US history, I think,

1110
01:20:46.000 --> 01:20:49.079
right, Ted Kennedy. Now,
look, you can talk about what he

1111
01:20:49.119 --> 01:20:53.359
had an effect on or what kind
of an effective politician he was or was

1112
01:20:53.399 --> 01:20:57.079
he just a you know, a
drunken mess all the time. Whatever.

1113
01:20:57.199 --> 01:21:00.520
There's lots of different ways to go
here, but one thing you cant says

1114
01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:03.319
that the guy didn't have an effect
in general on the country. Okay,

1115
01:21:04.399 --> 01:21:09.840
so you got that nuance to enter
in, and you've also got another even

1116
01:21:09.880 --> 01:21:13.000
harsher warning sign, which would be
in his own generation. John F.

1117
01:21:13.119 --> 01:21:16.439
Kennedy Jr. Seems like, and
I'm not saying this is absolutely certain,

1118
01:21:16.520 --> 01:21:21.880
but it seems like the moment that
his cousin, his first cousin, decided

1119
01:21:21.920 --> 01:21:27.199
to show any sort of interest in
doing what he is precisely doing right now,

1120
01:21:28.399 --> 01:21:31.920
a plane crashed and that was the
end of that. Under odd circumstances.

1121
01:21:31.960 --> 01:21:35.119
Of course, his uncle who had
that long standing effect. I don't

1122
01:21:35.119 --> 01:21:39.720
know if you know this, but
in nineteen sixty four, I think it

1123
01:21:39.760 --> 01:21:43.239
was sixty four or right around there, you know, he was also involved

1124
01:21:43.279 --> 01:21:46.399
in a plane crash where his back
was broken. That's Ted Kennedy, right.

1125
01:21:46.760 --> 01:21:50.159
Plus you know about Chap a quick
and hey, maybe there's some suspicious

1126
01:21:50.159 --> 01:21:54.960
stuff that went on there is that
entirely is doing. Was he just you

1127
01:21:54.960 --> 01:22:00.239
know, drunken, reckless playboy,
rich boy, maybe, but there are

1128
01:22:00.279 --> 01:22:03.800
other things going on. Maybe there's
a lot to dig into and a lot

1129
01:22:03.800 --> 01:22:08.520
of things that he would be privy
to that you and I have a clue

1130
01:22:08.520 --> 01:22:13.720
about but don't necessarily know all of
the nuances. So the thing is,

1131
01:22:13.760 --> 01:22:18.479
it is interesting to consider how informed
he is and exactly what that means to

1132
01:22:18.600 --> 01:22:24.039
him and what it is his motivation
is how much risk is he taking in

1133
01:22:24.079 --> 01:22:29.439
his own mind? Is this something
to be lauded or are we getting fooled

1134
01:22:29.439 --> 01:22:32.800
again? You know, very much
like the hope and change bs that Madison

1135
01:22:32.840 --> 01:22:41.159
Avenue sold people on Barack Obama right
again, as I said, became abandoned

1136
01:22:41.199 --> 01:22:45.520
all hope and beg for change,
because that's going to work out a lot

1137
01:22:45.560 --> 01:22:48.359
better than trying to work a job
that he had paid you know, next

1138
01:22:48.399 --> 01:22:54.279
to nothing for good luck. But
at the same time, they gave you

1139
01:22:54.319 --> 01:22:57.079
another hope and change. Don't worry, we're gonna change at all. We're

1140
01:22:57.079 --> 01:23:00.479
gonna make America great again. Now
we can debate about when I'm Erica was

1141
01:23:00.520 --> 01:23:04.079
great. But here's the Orange guy. So you know, into my mind

1142
01:23:04.119 --> 01:23:12.119
that was just here's Bush. Here's
Bush's you know, discount cousin. Then

1143
01:23:12.279 --> 01:23:17.000
oh, here's another Bush bush Light. Then we go for Bush Dark,

1144
01:23:17.079 --> 01:23:23.000
which is effectively Barack Obama. Take
the joke anyway you want. Next,

1145
01:23:23.439 --> 01:23:28.920
how about a what would they call
that now? A micro brew? It's

1146
01:23:28.920 --> 01:23:30.279
got an orange tint to it,
maybe an orange tin. You know,

1147
01:23:30.279 --> 01:23:34.159
they put orange flavoring and beer.
Now I can't, I can't do it,

1148
01:23:34.680 --> 01:23:41.520
but they do this, yeah,
and it is very much like the

1149
01:23:41.560 --> 01:23:43.880
beer, and it's not bud light. And I don't care who they put

1150
01:23:43.920 --> 01:23:49.239
on the can. It still tastes
like piss. Anyway, Is there a

1151
01:23:49.279 --> 01:23:54.279
possibility of a change? Is there
something legitimate outside of the Grand Puppet Show?

1152
01:23:55.800 --> 01:23:58.760
I stay stay tuned, Ricky,
and I say people should stay tuned

1153
01:23:58.760 --> 01:24:01.279
to youth. So once again,
if you go to Ricky Barandez dot com,

1154
01:24:01.479 --> 01:24:03.720
you like that outro, Ricky?
Is that? Is that a good

1155
01:24:03.760 --> 01:24:10.520
smooth segue? I like your creativity? Yet I try, man, listen,

1156
01:24:10.600 --> 01:24:14.279
I can't do the smooth professional that
you do. So I've got to

1157
01:24:14.359 --> 01:24:19.720
do the extemporaneous, you know,
mildly poetic stream of consciousness because I don't

1158
01:24:19.760 --> 01:24:24.840
know how to do it any other
way. So so Ricky Brandez dot com

1159
01:24:25.920 --> 01:24:30.359
the ripple effect, obviously, and
hopefully you don't regret coming on, and

1160
01:24:30.640 --> 01:24:34.000
perhaps you and I'll have another public
discussion again soon, either on my show

1161
01:24:34.079 --> 01:24:39.560
or yours. Oh and of course
Union of the Unwanted is available out there.

1162
01:24:40.000 --> 01:24:43.279
I'm not often wanted over there,
but I have popped up, so

1163
01:24:43.520 --> 01:24:47.279
I would advise people to tune into
that, tune into the ripple effect and

1164
01:24:47.760 --> 01:24:53.000
all of the other things. Is
there anything else that you'd like to remind

1165
01:24:53.039 --> 01:24:57.640
people they can go ahead and access
in order to take a much wider deeper

1166
01:24:57.720 --> 01:25:02.800
view of your views and the use
of the many, many interesting and extremely

1167
01:25:03.720 --> 01:25:09.239
fascinating guests everybody. By the way, I love the fact that I'm still

1168
01:25:09.319 --> 01:25:14.840
envious. Jim Florentine is a get
that I would love to have. But

1169
01:25:14.920 --> 01:25:17.359
of course you've got a lot of
guests on because you're that kind of guy.

1170
01:25:17.439 --> 01:25:21.680
You're worthy of it, and you
do a very smooth and professional job.

1171
01:25:21.840 --> 01:25:25.880
Much better at the video. Well, look, I mean that's not

1172
01:25:25.920 --> 01:25:29.560
a high bar. I'm the blind
guy trying to do videos. So what

1173
01:25:29.560 --> 01:25:31.079
are you gonna do? But you
got a better voice, you got a

1174
01:25:31.079 --> 01:25:35.840
better demeanor, you got a better
all that, and just so happens,

1175
01:25:35.840 --> 01:25:40.199
are both of our shows have their
word effect in it. But I really

1176
01:25:40.199 --> 01:25:44.680
appreciate and do respect your work and
appreciate the effort in the time which you

1177
01:25:44.720 --> 01:25:47.800
gave me about a half hour more
time today than I actually asked you for.

1178
01:25:48.000 --> 01:25:51.640
And I'm sorry I've probably taken you
away from something much more important,

1179
01:25:51.960 --> 01:25:56.520
but I appreciated anything else that they
should go ahead and look at to get

1180
01:25:56.520 --> 01:26:02.680
into the mind of Ricky Veranda's First
of all, me having a better voice

1181
01:26:02.720 --> 01:26:08.159
is very debatable. One thing that
isn't debatable is that the two guys that

1182
01:26:08.199 --> 01:26:13.319
are always talking uh don't have a
better voice than your producer who doesn't have

1183
01:26:13.359 --> 01:26:15.720
a show. So it's it's actually
quite a hilarious of a guy with the

1184
01:26:16.079 --> 01:26:20.760
voice isn't even doing a show.
But um and uh and no. I

1185
01:26:21.359 --> 01:26:28.479
you know I I love having these
discussions um, as you could probably imagine.

1186
01:26:28.520 --> 01:26:32.119
My wife is used to my conversations
going a little long and and and

1187
01:26:32.239 --> 01:26:40.079
going longer than initially anticipated. I
think not hold on, hold on not

1188
01:26:40.199 --> 01:26:43.600
debatable at all. You're correct about
the better voice. And for those of

1189
01:26:43.640 --> 01:26:46.399
you that don't remember, just a
quick cutoff of my microphone to fully play

1190
01:26:46.720 --> 01:26:51.640
the station I D which is uh
ubiquitous at Ocelli dot com radio and is

1191
01:26:51.680 --> 01:26:56.079
on all of our twenty four seven
streams all the time. It is this

1192
01:26:56.319 --> 01:27:01.399
Voyli dot com. There you go, nature boy. Uh. The the

1193
01:27:01.399 --> 01:27:05.039
the weapon that we have that has
the ultimate voice. We need to get

1194
01:27:05.119 --> 01:27:12.319
him doing movie trailers booming out of
a THX. I might have to put

1195
01:27:12.359 --> 01:27:15.479
some warnings out there though for people, like beware, a booming voice might

1196
01:27:15.640 --> 01:27:21.880
injure you during the course of the
movie trailers. But sorry, Ricky again,

1197
01:27:21.960 --> 01:27:28.319
extemporateous weirdness, please continue. No, I was just saying, I

1198
01:27:28.800 --> 01:27:32.399
love having these these discussions, and
I'm glad we had him. And if

1199
01:27:32.399 --> 01:27:35.880
it goes long, that's fine.
As you know, it's when you're in

1200
01:27:35.920 --> 01:27:40.560
a deep conversation that always sucks when
you have to cut it short. So

1201
01:27:40.720 --> 01:27:43.880
it always glad that we were.
And this is a very relevant, you

1202
01:27:43.920 --> 01:27:45.640
know discussion. I mean, these
are things that people are thinking a lot

1203
01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:48.199
of people in our community, just
the general public, are thinking about,

1204
01:27:48.439 --> 01:27:54.920
you know, what to think about
the Kennedy running as for president. And

1205
01:27:55.079 --> 01:27:57.399
you know, we're kind of on
the same page where I think a lot

1206
01:27:57.439 --> 01:28:00.640
of people are up in the air
and then don't know quite yet how they

1207
01:28:00.680 --> 01:28:04.920
feel about it. And I'm glad
that I could get another perspective on the

1208
01:28:04.960 --> 01:28:08.439
topic, because this is something that's
been on my mind. So I'm glad

1209
01:28:08.479 --> 01:28:11.840
I got to hear your perspective on
it. But without a doubt, I

1210
01:28:11.840 --> 01:28:15.800
mean, these discussions are awesome.
I hope people tune into your show,

1211
01:28:15.880 --> 01:28:20.880
my show, any show in the
community that is willing to entertain different opinions

1212
01:28:20.880 --> 01:28:28.600
and perspectives and don't create just an
echo chamber of qann Trumpers or woke lefties.

1213
01:28:28.640 --> 01:28:30.319
You know, like if that's never
good. You know you want you

1214
01:28:30.399 --> 01:28:47.920
want different opinions, different perspectives and
really right trump or not, woke or

1215
01:28:47.960 --> 01:28:54.079
not, it's got to go well
beyond all of that. So we'll just

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the show will be its meeting is
being recorded or on all the audio platforms

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within a day or two, and
then also on our Odyssey channels. So

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definitely check out The Union don't want
it. Chuck's been on their Nature Boys

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been on there. Chuck, come
on next week if you if you're available

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next Monday at seven pm Eastern time, and and tune in. And also

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you can find all those links and
much more on the ripplefec podcast dot com.

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I'm also on a bunch of different
social media platforms. If you want

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to see pictures of my family or
what I'm doing on a weekend, follow

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me on Instagram or Facebook and h
and check me out, and thanks again

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for having me on. I really
enjoyed the discussion absolutely, and I will

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suggest strongly. Did we lose you? No, I'm here. Can you

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hear me? Boy? You're gonna
have to jump in here and I'm here.

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Yeah, we have technical difficulties,
but as always anyways, foot one,

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thanks for coming on, Ricky.
I really enjoy your conversations in your

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show. Appreciate it. Check it
out ahead on this This is so fun

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that they can't you do good on
that stuff and doesn't excittly might have to

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do. This is hilarious. I
have no idea why you guys were not

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hearing me, but point is go
over and check out Ricky Brandez dot com.

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Check out the Ripple Effect definitely over
on rock Fan and check out all

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things Ricky Brandez again at Ricky Vandez
dot com. The links will be in

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the show description. Appreciate all you
guys, no matter who you are,

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where you are, when you are, remember this. I am merely o'celly,

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and all of you are indeed the
effect. Good Night,