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Yeah, I was bad, of
the bold, bad of the old,

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the now Billy Cunningham. Of course. Congressman Thomas Massey is from the fourth

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Congressional District in Kentucky. I look
at his history in bio, as I

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do with most guests. He's brilliant. He's an engineer. He's an electrical

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engineering and Master of Science degree in
mechanical engineering from MIT, the Massachusetts Institute

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of Technology. He's won many prizes. I want to know why in the

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hell is he in congress Congressman Massey, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show.

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And first of all, Congressman,
can you answer the question why does

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a guy like you end up in
politics? H poor judgment. Frankly,

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this is unbelievable, So listen.
I actually I built a debt badge that

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I wear on my lapel. It's
a little computer that displays the debt in

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real time and the digits are just
spinning by. And I brought twenty copies

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of this debt badge to Washington,
DC this week, and I'm going to

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give them away to Congressman. Maybe
they'll wear them as well. We'll do

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a little debt badge diplomacy up here. Well, we're going to ask about

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the speaker of the house. But
you got your bachelor's degree and you wrote

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a thesis on the quote design of
a three degree of freedom force reflecting haptic

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interface. What the hell is that? It allows you to touch three dimensional

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objects? You know? You they
talk about virtual reality. Well, twenty

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five thirty years ago, actually thirty
plus years ago, I built a device

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that lets you feel three dimensional objects
in virtual reality and it's still the state

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of the art. They used it
for surgical simulations and then carving virtual clay

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and printing on a three D printer. Maybe I should have stuck at that.

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Well what about Hakeem Gates? What
dimension is he in? Well,

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you know, I had some discussions
with Matt yesterday and via text. He

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and I are friends. I've gone
to Florida and campaign for him, but

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I vehemently disagree with his judgment on
calling the motion to vacate on Kevin McCarthy,

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and I told him, I said, you own what comes next,

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and it ain't going to be pretty. We're going to get an omnibus,

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I'm afraid. And we were a
lot better off with Kevin McCarthy. We

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were working on the twelve separate bills. He did get a one percent automatic

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decrease in spending that kicks in the
spring if somebody else doesn't screw it up.

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And now I'm afraid they're going to
screw it up. Congressman Massey,

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Will there be white smoke or black
smoke over the Capitol? What we have

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a pope, a speaker by the
end of the week. My weather prediction

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is forty percent chance of speaker this
week, so I'm not too optimistic.

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Frankly, put I put all my
eggs in the Jim Jordan basket last week.

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I was in his inner circle,
campaigning for him, working for him,

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making phone calls, you know,
doing strategy, and he came up

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just a little bit short. And
eventually the Republican Conference met and voted to

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withdraw his nomination, which I thought
was premature. I would have he went

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three rounds on the floor, got
up to two hundred votes and needed two

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seventeen. I would have voted yest
for him every time. I wish we

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could have kept going. But here
we are. We've got nine candidates.

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Tonight We've got I call it.
The beauty pageant will be tonight. There'll

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be the candidates for him, and
they'll all try to tell us why they

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should be speaker. May I give
you an idea? Sure, when you're

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in your conference with what about you
have about two hundred and twenty two something

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like that? Yep, how about
saying let's have a unanimous vote on this.

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We're going to stay here until we
have a pope, and we're going

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to go from nine, then the
top three. Then the top three are

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going to give their presentation whatever it
might be, fifteen to twenty minutes each

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and all to twenty two agree that
whoever gets the most votes, even if

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it's not a majority, whoever gets
the most votes of those final three will

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be the speaker. Can you get
that done? I love that idea.

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The way they're going to do it
Tomorrow, we'll have the voting tomorrow.

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By the way, I think we
should be locked up here until we come

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up with the speaker tomorrow. I
presumably all nine will still be in the

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race. There'll be a rounda balloting, they'll drop the lowest vote getter,

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There'll be a vote among the eight, they'll drop the lowest vote getter.

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Presumably we'll have, you know,
at least eight rounds of voting tomorrow,

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which is going to take some time
to get to our speaker candidate. But

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you know, people just refuse to
vote for Jim Jordan. Last week the

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chairman of the Appropriations Committee didn't vote
for the conference selection. That you know,

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that kind of in transigen and reviewal
to go with the party used to

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get you kicked off your committee.
But now I guess you can be chairman

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of the most powerful commit and still
vote against the Republican nominee. So you

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know, I've taken a lot of
grief over the years for not going along

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to get along, but this is
this Now it's I guess it's fashionable and

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anybody can do it and there's no
repercussions. You know. At least I

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didn't ask for to be a chairman
of a committee and then go and do

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this kind of stuff. But I
wish of eight had never vacated Kevin McCarthy.

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I wished the two twenty one of
us could have voted for Jim Jordan.

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I would have voted for him a
thousand rounds and did vote for him

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three rounds. So we'll just see
where it goes from here. You know,

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Bill, I got one vote for
speaker in the first round last week,

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I vote for it. What have
you thought about becoming the speaker?

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Have you? I would vote for
you. You're a bit eclectic. Of

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course I'm a bit eclectic too.
I get eclectic. But nonetheless, when

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you're in the middle of the conference, I think that's a good thing.

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But why won't Tom Massey throw your
hat the ring to become the speaker?

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Well, listen, one vote caused
me enough problems. I had people calling

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the office they thought I had voted
for myself. Was actually victorious Sparks from

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Indiana who voted for me. But
people were mad because they thought I voted

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for myself and had derived deprived Jim
Jordan of a vote. Listen. My

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ideology isn't always the same as the
mainstream Republican ideology. I'm not for any

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funding of any wars. For instance, I don't vote for sanctions. I

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think we should try to have peace
with all nations. You know so anyways,

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but your ideology, frankly shouldn't matter
if you're going to be the Speaker

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of the House. I think they
do well to have an engineer. They

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need somebody who can put this stuff
in order and follow rules. And have

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a good process and let the House
work its will. But I may be

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too far outside of the Republican establishment
mainstream to get to two seventeen. No,

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you're not normal, but not being
normal as good, as far as

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as far as the issue of that, people ask me, can you tell

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me again what's happening in the House, Because if you're in the cauldron,

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you're right there in the belly of
the beast, you may not see what's

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happening outside. The average American looks
at this and says, a Republican party

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in the House is representative of chaos
and confusion, It advocates and cannot govern.

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So can you tell average Americans listening
right now in Covington or Newport,

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or in Mason County why did McCarthy
get kicked out as the speaker? What

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was the reason? Well, there
wasn't a good reason. Look, they

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said that he had violated promises he
had made. But here's the problem with

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that claim. I was inside the
room when the deal was negotiated in January

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that allowed him to be speaker,
and according to my math, he kept

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every promise that he had made.
We were working on the twelve separate bills

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that's what we need to do.
Look, there's a Democrat in the White

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House. The Democrats control the Senate, and the House is the only branch

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that's controlled by Republicans. This is
why we need to get together and get

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our you know, get the House
going. But it's also why we need

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to do the twelve spending bills,
because that's the only place we can affect

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policy. We can pass all the
nice bills we want. HR one,

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which was about energy independence and bring
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HR Two, which was about securing
our border. The problem is the Senate's

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not going to bring those bills up. The only bills we know they will

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bring up are the spending bills,
and if we do a giant omnibus,

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they'll jam us and we won't get
our things that we want that the American

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people need, like border security and
energy independence. But if we do our

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twelve separate bills, we can get
that policy in the spending bills. And

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that's what we need to be doing. That's what Kevin was working on,

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and he got kneecapped by some folks
up here. Congressman a couple of minutes

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remaining as far as the budget accumulated
debt. I've said many times in many

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places the two things that will destroy
this country. And just because we are

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now a great country and a great
civilization doesn't mean it will continue for ad

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infinitum. Number one is unbridled immigration
on the southern border. And number two

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is the accumulated debt that in the
last twenty two years, since twenty oh

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one, it's gone from about four
or five trillion up to thirty three trillion

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dollars, and it's meant to go
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to two trillion dollars for the next
six or seven years. Can you tell

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the average American driving a truck somewhere
in Butler County as to why the accumulated

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debt is the arsenic that will poison
the American way of life? Well,

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yeah, it's about to. The
interest on the debt is about to eclipse

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all of the money we spend on
national defense, and that that should scare

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everybody. It's good at you know, it's going to be in the hundreds

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of it's in the hundreds of billions, but we're going to be above seven

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eight hundred billion dollars in interest here
pretty soon. The fed raised interest rates

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to try and stop inflation. Why
do we have inflation because we spent more

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money than we had. They couldn't
borrow it our all, so they printed

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five trillion dollars in the last few
years. We're chasing our tail here,

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and we're not going to be able
to borrow all this money at these high

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rates, so they're going to print
morm of it, which is going to

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cause more inflation, which for the
people out there working, if you're if

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you're not getting a ten percent eight
percent raise, you're you're going backwards due

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to the inflation that we have now. And people know that. So the

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only way to stop this bill is
to rein in spending. We can't tax

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our way to prosperity, we can't
print our way to prosperity, we can't

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borrow our way to prosperity. We've
got to spend less money. And that's

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you know, as part of the
condition of raising the debt limit this summer,

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Kevin got built in an idea that
I gave him, which was an

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automatic one percent cut that kicks in
the spring. If we're still doing continuing

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resolutions, if we haven't done our
twelve bills, I'm afraid the next speaker

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is going to wipe that deal away
because and frankly, you know, Republicans

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got to hear this too. We've
got some Republicans up here that want to

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spend thirty billion dollars more on the
military this coming year than they did last

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year. And the only way you
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the Democrats have thirty billion for their
pet projects. We got it. Instead

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of getting together and agreeing to increase
spending across the board, we've got to

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get together and agree to decrease spending
across the board. Congressman Massey. Last

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week, the President said he wanted
like one hundred and ten billion dollars hook

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together Ukraine and Israel AID and so
much more. We're paying everybody. We're

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paying Jordan, We're we're paying eleven, and we're paying Egypt. We're paying

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everybody money, including Israel. Why
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almost like an omnibus, spending for
Ukraine and for Israel. Shouldn't they stand

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alone? They should absolutely stand alone. And the border. And while they're

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spending all that money, they're not
doing anything about the border. Biden wants

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more money for the border. But
frankly, I think he's just going to

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use that money to process more illegal
entries into the United States. So this

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should be separate. The reason they
put them all together is to put pressure

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on people up here. There's gonna
be a lot of pressure to do something

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for Israel, and so they'll pressure
Republicans who wouldn't vote for the Ukraine money

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to vote for the Ukraine money.
But frankly, bill the House already passed

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add APPROBX bill and in a State
and Foreign Ops approbed bill within that are

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containing three point eight billion dollars for
Israel. It's sitting over there in the

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Senate. We don't need to stand
alone bill. They've already got the authorization

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to pass the House versions of those
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that would send the money to Israel. They don't need more money. We're

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going to go bankrupt if we keep
sending money to every You know, the

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first year I was here, I
offered an amendment to approached bill to cut

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the money to Egypt because in twenty
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was a military coup going on.
We didn't know who was controlling the government,

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and the State Department still wanted to
send a billion dollars to Egypt.

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I'm like, can we wait to
see who who's the government? But if

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you were, we vote to send
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Congressman Massey. In about six years
ago, you sponsored a one page

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bill to abolish the US Department of
Education. Since that was created under Jimmy

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Carter, education public wise in this
country has gotten worse and worse and worse.

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At some point as the normal Americans, will you, American, will

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you wash your hands of all of
this and simply come back home and say

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I can't take it anymore. Every
day I'm running that calculation, but the

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other people praying for me, because
when I start thinking that, for some

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reason, I stick with it.
I've reintroduced HR eight ninety nine. That's

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the bill, the one sentence to
build to abolish the federal Department of Education.

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Those decisions need to be made locally
by parents and school boards and states,

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not by the federal government. And
we're they're just squandering the money here

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in Washington, DC and causing more
bureaucracy back home in the school systems get

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rid of the federal Department of Education. There'll be more resources for our kids

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and they won't be indoctrinated by some
federal one size fits all curriculum. But

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that's why I fight. If I'm
not here, who's going to introduce it

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HR eight ninety nine. Nobody.
In fact, Washington politicians are committed to

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the continuance of the bureaucracy and the
state of the DOJ, FBI, Department

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of Education EPA. Every state,
every county, every city has its own

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EPA. Pollution largely has been defeated. Now it's about spending money, collecting

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power and dispersing it to the states
through the EPA. Makes no sense.

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I'm betting now, Thomas Massey.
At some point you say to with it.

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I can't take it anymore. I
want to stick with it for as

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long as I can, but it
is tough. I better not come on

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your show too much and you talk
too much common sense. You taught me

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into coming back home. I'll tell
you what it is. If you was

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on my farm for thirty thirty six
hours this week, and that's how much

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time I got on my farm,
and I'll tell you what it was hard

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to leave those beautiful hills with the
leaves changing to come back up there.

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Oh, so you leave northern Kentucky, go into the belly of the beast

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and fight Hakeem Jefferies and Nancy Pelosi. I mean, I'd rather be with

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the farm animals. They have more
cognitive ability, frankly, than a lot

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of my colleagues. My farm animal
du It's like reading Shakespeare to my cattle

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up here sometimes. Well, tell
them that went in disgrace with the fortunes

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in men's eyes. I all alone, bewaiting my aucast state. I trouble

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tough having them with my bootless cries
to look at myself and curse my fate.

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Just tell the cattle that for me, will you? Well, we'll

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have as much understanding in their eyes
as Jamal Bowman did when I talked to

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him about the Safer Schools Act,
where I want to get rid of the

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gun free zones. He went nuts
on me. I don't know how you

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put up with It's I'm glad you
do, But bright guy, and good

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luck, and we'll have a pope
you think. Bye bye. November seventeenth,

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which is when the cr runs out, we have to do something and

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the speaker pro tim we have does
not have the power to spend money or

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to put a bill on the floor
to do that. So we better have

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it by November seventeenth, is all
I've got to say. And it better

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be one who's not going to do
an omnibus, because that's given up all

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the power that we have here in
the House. When we do an omnibus,

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stay as long as you can take
it. Thomas Massey of Northern Kentucky,

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once again, thank you for coming
on the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank

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you, Thomas, Thank you,
Bill. Bye bye, God bless America.

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