WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.759 --> 00:00:10.080 Welcome to Open Minds Radio. Alejandro Roja. Open Minds Radio is a UFO 2 00:00:10.400 --> 00:00:15.880 news authority presenting evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your 3 00:00:15.919 --> 00:00:26.440 host, Alejandro Roja. That is I Captain Alejandro of the Open Minds Space 4 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:34.079 Federation. Welcome. Actually, don't worry if you're worried. Oh, I 5 00:00:34.119 --> 00:00:36.880 was trying to get to open Minds Radio, but I'm talking somehow, I'm 6 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:42.960 tapped into the federation. This is actually open Minds Radio and I am Alejandro 7 00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:49.880 Rojas, and we are your UFO news authority, and we have a great 8 00:00:50.200 --> 00:00:55.719 show this evening. It's kind of fun. Someone different and someone I doubt 9 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:59.079 you have heard, except for maybe if you live in the Wisconsin area, 10 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:03.280 because she was on the radio there, and that is Betty May Oakurl and 11 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:11.760 she is from Wisconsin, this really small rural town in the middle of Wisconsin 12 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:15.319 where there's lots of lakes and lots of hunting and that kind of thing. 13 00:01:15.560 --> 00:01:22.200 And they have had these UFO sidings out there. So Ker and her daughter 14 00:01:22.280 --> 00:01:26.719 had a sighting years ago and since then they've had several more. She began 15 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:32.159 to document them. She talked to some authorities and did some investigating to try 16 00:01:32.239 --> 00:01:37.040 to figure out what was going on, and although he was skeptical, her 17 00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:42.599 husband eventually also had a sighting so very interesting, and she decided to write 18 00:01:42.599 --> 00:01:45.359 a book about it. So I thought that was kind of cool that she 19 00:01:45.480 --> 00:01:51.319 was bold enough to kind of document that these UFO sidings and then write a 20 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:53.840 book about it. So I thought that was need of her to do. 21 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:57.760 And I thought it was really need of her also to tweet how cool Open 22 00:01:57.760 --> 00:02:00.959 Minds magazine was, and so I just, you know what, Let's have 23 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:02.480 her on this step show and hear her story. And I'm glad I did 24 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:07.080 because she's a very pleasant, pleasant lady and it's an interesting story, and 25 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:14.520 she'll be talking to us later in the shoe Son. It's a great interview 26 00:02:14.639 --> 00:02:17.599 and hopefully, you know, some of you will buy her book. And 27 00:02:17.680 --> 00:02:23.800 I know some of you have your own internet radio show and she's a great 28 00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:27.479 guest, so you should have her on your show as well, and then 29 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:30.879 talk about how cool Open Minds Radio is because they turned you on to this 30 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:39.039 cool lady the news. Guess what, people we at open Minds cover UFO 31 00:02:39.199 --> 00:02:45.759 news on a daily basis, and we stay busy making sure we are in 32 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:50.199 the know, so we can share with you everything that's going on. And 33 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:54.439 we have this kooky character named Jason McClelland who writes on the news every day 34 00:02:54.439 --> 00:02:59.240 and also comes to the radio show. And I am happy to say that 35 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:05.159 Jason is here once again to share the news. Hello Jason, Hello, 36 00:03:05.479 --> 00:03:09.639 my friend. I'm not sure whether or not I should take the kookiness of 37 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:13.439 the compliment. Oh, definitely, that's cool to be kookie. As long 38 00:03:13.479 --> 00:03:15.639 as you say it is, I'll go with this. Yeah. Well, 39 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:19.520 all right, hello everyone, and welcome. This is your Open Minds newspree 40 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:23.800 for Monday, November twenty first, twenty eleven, Nalejandra. Thanksgiving is this 41 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:28.719 week, so I'll start off with the story that is fitting for Thanksgiving. 42 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:32.919 During Thanksgiving, all sorts of things get crammed into the refrigerator. Ah, 43 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:38.240 so we're going to start off with the story about an alien in the refrigerator. 44 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:43.039 Oh oh yeah. A Russian woman claims she found an extraterrestrial outside her 45 00:03:43.039 --> 00:03:46.960 home in Western Russia two years ago, and until recently, she kept the 46 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:51.919 et in her refrigerator. According to the Sun, the woman claims she heard 47 00:03:51.919 --> 00:03:55.240 a loud noise outside loud noise outside her home. She rushed outside to find 48 00:03:55.599 --> 00:04:01.280 flinging wreckage and crumpled metal from a crash. Ufo, the extraterrestrial victim of 49 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:05.479 this crash, was allegedly nearby, and her reaction was to wrap the strange 50 00:04:05.520 --> 00:04:11.879 creature in plastic and place it in her fridge well. The Daily Mail describes 51 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:16.120 this creature is two feet long, has an enormous head, large bulbo sized, 52 00:04:16.399 --> 00:04:20.680 and an appearance somewhere between a fish and a humanoid. It also appears 53 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:27.240 to have what looks like stringlike arms protruding from its body. This Java the 54 00:04:27.319 --> 00:04:30.480 Hut like appearance is just one element of the story that has many suspecting the 55 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:38.279 hoax. Sun Reports quote people who have seen pictures of the alien have likened 56 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:43.519 it to Jaba the Hut from Star Wars and Slimmer from the Ghostbusters. Made 57 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:49.079 others have clanned this bizarre find is simply a rotting vegetable which looks remarkably otherworldly. 58 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:53.600 Also out of the fact that the woman waited two years to tell anyone 59 00:04:53.600 --> 00:04:57.279 about this body in her fridge, She claims that when she found a supposed 60 00:04:57.319 --> 00:05:00.399 extraterrestrial, he was wearing a spacesuit, but Alejandro when she put in her 61 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:06.639 fridge. It seems to be kind of need so kind of creepy. She 62 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:13.680 must have disrobed this creature before putting it in the fridge. And where's this 63 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:21.480 spacesuit now? So that's kind of weird. And the corpse has also disappeared, 64 00:05:23.399 --> 00:05:27.839 creating yet another problem with his story. The Sun states that an Academy 65 00:05:27.839 --> 00:05:30.600 of Science in Russia is investigating the case. However, according to information in 66 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:34.199 the video that surfaced on November fifth, two men claiming they were from this 67 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:40.240 Academy of Science confiscated the corpse, and also according to this video, employees 68 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:45.240 at the Academy of Science were contacted about the extraterrestrial body, with those employees 69 00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:48.800 denied knowing anything about it, so they could be covering it up or nobody 70 00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:54.639 from that place took the body. Ah. Another element of the story that 71 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:59.680 leads them to suspect a hoax is the involvement of paranormal writer Michael Cohen. 72 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:05.120 The website all News webs Dating Mail report that the footage was unearthed by Cohen. 73 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:11.800 Cohen is infamous for his repeated support of hoaxes and other cases where there 74 00:06:11.839 --> 00:06:15.839 is no supporting evidence, but his own with regard to this story, Cohen 75 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:18.720 stated, quote, this could be an elaborate hoax, However, the possibility 76 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:24.079 that this might be a genuine alien should not be discounted. Coin did make 77 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:27.839 one good point, though, stating that in all likelihood, most alien beings 78 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:31.040 would look strange to us, and I agree with him. We don't know 79 00:06:31.079 --> 00:06:34.720 what all extraterrestrials would look like, so the fact that we have a strange 80 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:41.199 creature, it's plausible that it could be an extraterrestrial. However, the multiple 81 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:45.800 suspicious elements with the story make it unlikely that this corpse in the photos is 82 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:51.040 a genuine extraterrestrial, but until definite proof surfaces, anything's possible. Alejandro, 83 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:58.839 Mm, yeah, I you know, was curious about this story until I 84 00:06:58.879 --> 00:07:01.160 saw the picture. I mean, a lot of people have said it looks 85 00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:04.480 like an egg plant, a rotting egg plant, and I think that sounds 86 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:10.439 more accurate than an alien. It just doesn't look like an alien whatsoever to 87 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:13.600 me. There are a lot of bizarre things with the body that the hand 88 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:16.079 is the worst because of it's a lump, yeah, and then with this 89 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:20.800 stringy thing hanging out it's long and kind of wavy. And then it has 90 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:28.199 these four little, like really awkward fingers sticking off it, and the waviness 91 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:31.560 of the arm looks like a branch. You can see sort of the lines 92 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:34.399 of a branch growth going through it as it waves, well, like an 93 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:39.360 eye of a potato. How it like wiggles around and it's just bizarre looking. 94 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:43.720 And someone pointed out that the eyes of the creature sort of look like 95 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:47.079 the cutout of watermelon rins. You can see the texture of watermelon around the 96 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:51.759 eyes. I don't know, it could be this sort of science project mashed 97 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:56.680 together. But the other thing is you've got this body and it's crammed in 98 00:07:56.720 --> 00:08:00.319 its bag, so in the pictures you only see sort of the heads picking 99 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:05.439 out, and it's one wavy arm sticking out like a plastic sandwich. It's 100 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:11.199 in a plastic bag, and it's funny to pretend like it's a scientific forensic 101 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:13.480 photo. They've got this rule next to it to show you the size, 102 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:16.800 but they don't bother taking it out of the bag to do the measuring. 103 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:20.439 Yeah, this thing that's chucked in the fridge, and I yeah, I 104 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:24.879 think to me, another reason why it's not so unusual is that I'm a 105 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:30.519 bachelor and bachelors are used to having science experiments in the fridge. Exactly, 106 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:37.120 these very old things lumps that look very mysterious, just hanging out to take 107 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:43.200 comfort knowing that I also have those in my refrigerators. However, that's probably 108 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:48.480 because I'm the man in the kitchen, So because I control all things in 109 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:52.600 the kitchen, it's also my responsibility to toss things out, and I don't 110 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:58.559 sometimes yet. This story really reminds me of though, an early Simpsons where 111 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:03.399 he has had this sandwich and they went over years. My stomach is turning 112 00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:07.039 just thinking about that episode. He had the sub sandwich and he kept finding 113 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:09.480 it behind the couch, buying the fridge and everything, and it turned more 114 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:13.879 purple and lumpy, but he would take a few bites every time he found 115 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:16.840 it and then lose it again. I think that's what this was. And 116 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:18.960 probably her husband saw it and was like, well, there's my sale words 117 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:22.240 just like comercension. Then she would throw it in the garbage and he'd put 118 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:26.440 it right back in the fridge. Yeah, exactly, awful. Well, 119 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:30.600 yeah, I'm calling bogus on that one. I don't know. That one's 120 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:33.279 pretty goofy. A lot of media outlets had a lot of fun with it 121 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:35.960 too, and that they really did. Yeah, it was picked up by 122 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:41.559 everybody, So you had another mysterious body in Russia. It seems to be 123 00:09:41.960 --> 00:09:45.120 a trend this year and last year. Well, I guess for a while. 124 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:48.519 Now it seems to be a lot of silly stuff coming out of Russia. 125 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:52.679 People had time on their hens and unfortunately the media picked up on it. 126 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:56.480 Yeah. Well, I'll briefly do some NAZA news here because there was 127 00:09:56.519 --> 00:10:01.440 some cool NATHA news. NATHA announced last week that evidence suggests a giant lake 128 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:07.440 of liquid water could be on Jupiter's moon Europa. A team of scientists led 129 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:11.879 by Brittany Schmidt of the University of Texas Texas at Austin made the announcement at 130 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:16.159 a NASA press conference. The team recently studied ice formations in Antarctica and Iceland, 131 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:20.200 which, as space dot Com explains, provided clues as to how strange 132 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:26.519 formations on Europa known as chaos terrains were formed. The study provided researchers with 133 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:33.000 evidence that suggests a lake with quote as much water as North America's Great Lakes 134 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:37.080 combined, is one point five miles beneath Europa's surface, and because there are 135 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:43.440 so many chaos terrains on Europa, scientists say several liquid lakes are likely to 136 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:48.799 exist beneath the Moon's surface. Liquid water is essential for life as we understand 137 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:52.000 it on Earth, and therefore, anytime liquid water is discovered elsewhere in the 138 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:56.320 galaxy, the possibility of finding extraterrestrial life as we know it increases. The 139 00:10:56.320 --> 00:11:01.399 team's research was published in the November seventeenth issue of the journal Nature. Up 140 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:07.159 More Water in Space, all on ground, water and space, and I 141 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:13.360 think this is sort of a big key we're going to have going forward looking 142 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:18.360 for extraterrestrial life. You know, we're so limited in what we search for 143 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:22.200 now, looking for life as we know it, and a big part of 144 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:26.360 that is water. But we're also just looking at the surface of these bodies, 145 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:30.840 and I think there's so much more going on underground than we realize. 146 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:33.320 I think that's the case on the Moon too. I've said that before. 147 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:37.840 Yeah, yeah, hopefully they stand a rover it's like the one they launched 148 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:41.279 today, right. I think it's a lot going on underground on our planet 149 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:45.000 that we don't know about. Perhaps, I think many people would agree with 150 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:48.879 you and I think our friends at Virgin are going to find out about that 151 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:56.320 under ground under the ocean. I think they'll be able to access things under 152 00:11:56.360 --> 00:12:01.080 our surface that I think we don't know about. Huh, I do They're 153 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:05.440 they're they're really pushing their Virgin galactic and they're what is the other one virgin 154 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:11.000 under the I'm sorry, Richard, I don't remember what it's called. So 155 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:15.759 I remember that. So they're doing what you're referring to is a project where 156 00:12:15.759 --> 00:12:18.879 they're taking a submarine really low. Is that what it is. Yeah, 157 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:24.559 they have these special submarines and they're sort of like underwater jets. Oh cool. 158 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:26.200 Yeah, so they can go super deep and super fast. Yeah, 159 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:31.960 very interesting, very interesting. I love under the sea, and you know, 160 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:33.840 I love space. But you know, when we look at our own 161 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:37.000 planet, we know so little about our own planet, let alone space, 162 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:43.120 and that makes it even more lappable when scientists make these outrageous claims about even 163 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:46.600 planets in our own Solar system, and then they come out and go, 164 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:48.840 oh, by the way, we found planets. They don't have orbits. 165 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:50.840 They're just zipping by. We don't know what they are. Yeah, we're 166 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:56.559 just guessing anyway, I've got another great story for you, Alejandro. Are 167 00:12:56.600 --> 00:13:01.000 you ready? This is an Indiana Jones story. Nice, but it's not 168 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:07.000 about Indiana Jones. Yeah. Well, momofied remains of a body with a 169 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:11.240 large head were discovered in Peru, and some scientists are claiming it to be 170 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:18.480 of extraterrestrial origin. New site IOW nine reports that Renaldo d Villa Rikilme, 171 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:24.320 an anthropologist at the Pravado Ritos and Dinos Museum in Crisco, Peru, made 172 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:30.440 a discovery. The twenty inch tall body was originally thought to be that of 173 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:35.080 a child, but Spanish and Russian doctors reportedly believed differently. As IO nine 174 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:41.559 reports, Nado explained quote, it has a non human appearance because the head 175 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:46.240 is triangular and big, not the same size as the body. At first 176 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:52.000 we believed it to be a child's body, until Spanish and Russian doctors came 177 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:56.080 and confirmed that, yes, it is an extraterrestrial being. And that's the 178 00:13:56.200 --> 00:14:01.159 exact quote that this guy gave. So I didn't they even say that the 179 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:03.559 head is about the same size, are bigger than the body. They said 180 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:07.159 it's about the same size or bigger than the body. That is correct, 181 00:14:07.519 --> 00:14:11.519 and so they thought it just those facts alone. They thought it could be 182 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:18.720 a kid with some deformity or something. But other indicators were teeth. They 183 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:22.840 have. This thing has fully developed teeth, really large canine teeth, and 184 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:26.919 it actually has molars, so a child at that age would not have molars. 185 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:33.279 Maybe they have the head mixed up with the wrong rest of the mummy. 186 00:14:33.559 --> 00:14:37.399 You never know what happens when you're dealing with mummification. Things can get 187 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:41.679 screwed up fast. Yeah, because that sounds really weird. But regardless of 188 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:46.080 if the head is the right one for the body or whatever, it's an 189 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:52.279 awfully strange head gets a strange head, for sure. So I'm excited to 190 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:56.799 hear more about this one. I'm sure it's from your ancestors. Maybe then 191 00:14:56.840 --> 00:15:01.399 I would be proud to have this large, re angular headed, extraterrestial being 192 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:07.480 as relative. Yeah, I know you you especially, so I'm assuming you're 193 00:15:07.559 --> 00:15:11.600 your family line. You come from big headed people. I don't know, 194 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:18.399 kind I guess kind of not abnormally though, our heads are typically much smaller 195 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:22.679 than the rest of our bodies. Oh, I was thinking about your ego. 196 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:26.720 I'm getting confused. Oh, you got to get a dig in there 197 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:33.559 dig in there for my friend Alejandro. I have a sighting I want to 198 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:37.159 talk about here. Man by the name of Jameson Reeve took pictures of UFOs 199 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:43.159 in the sky above Chantry Court and Hatfield, England. While he was on 200 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:46.080 his bed. He glanced out his window and noticed an odd light in the 201 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:50.240 sky. Reeve is a photographer, and he stated, quote, I often 202 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:52.720 photographed the night sky, and I knew it looked different from anything I had 203 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:58.679 seen before. He set up with Canon sixty D and took a series of 204 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:02.399 photos. When you review his shots, he could see four separate lights in 205 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:06.759 the sky that weren't visible when he snapped the photos. According to the Well 206 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:11.919 and hat filled time, the image quote showed mysterious mushroom shaped crafts set against 207 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:15.399 a starry night sky. The kind of interesting photos. And this is a 208 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:21.320 guy who he's a photographer. But not only is he a photographer, he 209 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:29.480 specifically says that he frequently photographs the night sky, so that takes some specialized 210 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:37.399 practice in himself. But from what I understood from this story, the way 211 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:38.360 he set up his camera, he set it up with, you know, 212 00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:42.000 a long exposure, which you typically do for night photography. To let more 213 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:49.440 light in to be able to capture lights in a dark environment. And by 214 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:56.559 doing this he captured these four different lights and they're not really streaking or moving 215 00:16:56.600 --> 00:16:59.799 like you would expect if you know, an airplane had come into the field 216 00:16:59.919 --> 00:17:03.319 or you know, another light it appeared from a moving object and moved back, 217 00:17:03.359 --> 00:17:07.480 you would see these streaky lines. And there really isn't that. There's 218 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:12.480 a little bit of something that could indicate a little bit of movement, but 219 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:18.640 not to indicate where the object came from or where they went. And he 220 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:22.839 didn't see these when he was shooting, so it's interesting. Yeah, I 221 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:26.240 think they're really interesting pictures and it's neat, you know, I love to 222 00:17:26.279 --> 00:17:32.039 see that from England. I mean, they really pay a lot of attention 223 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:37.039 to UFO sidings. I mean you still see even after you know, no 224 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:41.000 matter what, on a regular basis, weekly basis, we see stories where 225 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:45.319 they take these UFO signings seriously and report them. That's something we don't have 226 00:17:47.559 --> 00:17:51.599 that often here unfortunately. Well what we have it here, but we're a 227 00:17:51.640 --> 00:17:56.200 much bigger country with much more news outlets. But they seem to have just 228 00:17:56.240 --> 00:17:57.960 as many stories as we do, right, And I mean you know, 229 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:03.519 rettin no offense, guy, it's it's just compared to America. You know, 230 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:07.279 it's fairly small. We've got a pretty big country here. Yeah, 231 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:08.920 it's a large well, may got it. They got a great country. 232 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:11.519 I love it. I don't want people to get mad at me for making 233 00:18:11.599 --> 00:18:15.880 fun of you. Better not make fun of them. They're my friends. 234 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:22.319 I hope they're your friends, all right. And thanks to your your your 235 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:27.599 recent studies, Arizona's are are are number one state for UFOs in this country. 236 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:33.799 We've got a lot going on, but again the reports are are infrequent, 237 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:38.319 Yeah, very infrequent, and who knows what the heck's going on. 238 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:45.599 In fact, our our colleague Maureene had a UFO sighting this weekend. No 239 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:52.240 she didn't, Yeah she did. It was only a UFO momentarily it's an 240 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:57.359 if ow it's identified. She had a UFO sighting she has since identified because 241 00:18:57.480 --> 00:19:03.519 of her wonderful research. However, she's found flaws with that identification as well. 242 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:07.720 So you've got to share a story. Well, I don't want to 243 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:12.279 steal morning thunder. But she did see something zooming through the sky making strange 244 00:19:12.319 --> 00:19:15.559 movements. It didn't look like an airplane. Certainly didn't look like Chinese lanterns 245 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:19.480 because the thing is moving back and forth and illuminating, and then the light 246 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:25.039 was going out and then coming back. So there were four lights in the 247 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:30.000 sky, and she suspected that they could be, as we've seen recently in 248 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:34.839 the news, sky divers with flares attached to their body going down through the 249 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:38.920 sky. And so she did her research and found out that there was indeed 250 00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:45.720 a team of divers who did a dive on that night. However, the 251 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:52.559 time that their dive was scheduled for was an hour after she had seen these 252 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:56.160 lights in the sky, so they could have jumped the gun and gone an 253 00:19:56.160 --> 00:20:03.279 hour earlier, or practiced, or practiced and then gone again used up all 254 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:07.680 their flares. Well, they got a lot of flares. But there are 255 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:11.519 a lot of those lights now and more times than not they do turn out 256 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:15.680 to be these skydivers. Yeah, that's interesting that that's become so common and 257 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:18.440 out here when it's so warm, that could be happening any time of the 258 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:22.000 year. Well, and as we're seeing with you know technology, i mean, 259 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:26.000 everybody can get led lights. Now we're seeing that a lot more people 260 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:30.400 love being able to illuminate the night sky. So they're putting lights on everything. 261 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:33.400 They go out with their kites and put led lights on them, their 262 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:37.480 remote control airplanes and put led lights on them. Now these guys are putting 263 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:41.000 flares down their pants and jumping out airplanes. They're gonna catch on fire. 264 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:45.359 Yeah, crazy, it's pretty dangerous. Well, one more story, Alejandro 265 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:49.559 A couple of weeks ago, and I'm sure everyone remembers this. The White 266 00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:56.599 House responded to the disclosure petition that sought formal acknowledgment from the president quote an 267 00:20:56.599 --> 00:21:00.839 extraterrestrial president, extraterrestrial presence engaging the heat Uman race. Stephen Bassett of the 268 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:06.240 Paradigm Research Group announced his follow up petition that will be submitted to the We 269 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:11.200 the People section of the White House website on December first. This petition reads 270 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:18.680 quote, we petition the Obama administration to demand a full congressional investigation of ufote 271 00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:25.359 et disclosure efforts by the Clinton OSTP, the Rockefeller Initiative. The information on 272 00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:30.079 the PRG website about this new petition explains quote. In response to the disclosure 273 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:34.559 petition, the OSTP, the Office of Science and Technology Policy, stated the 274 00:21:34.680 --> 00:21:40.279 US government has no evidence that any life exists outside our planet, or that 275 00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:45.480 an extraterrestrial presence has contacted or engaged any member of the human race. If 276 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:51.200 true, what was the OSTP investigating from March nineteen ninety three to October nineteen 277 00:21:51.279 --> 00:21:56.960 ninety six in concert with billionaire and Clinton friend Lawrence Rockefeller. The petition goes 278 00:21:56.000 --> 00:22:02.119 live on December first, and will need to gain twenty five thousand signatures by 279 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:06.359 December one December thirty first in order to receive a response from the White House. 280 00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:11.640 I think that's a tall order, but good luck to mister Bassett and 281 00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:15.400 his efforts. I wonder if the White House will even bother responding to this, 282 00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:22.000 or whether they'll be kind of annoying because they just responded to this well 283 00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:27.599 and we yeah, I mean this one's a little different. I think the 284 00:22:27.640 --> 00:22:33.920 wording is a little confusing, and he's asking so he is asking the White 285 00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:42.079 House to ask the Congress to investigate the White House, right, which is 286 00:22:42.160 --> 00:22:48.079 kind of strange. And not only that, as far as the documents go. 287 00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:53.279 During the Clinton administration, Clinton asked William Hubble, his buddy, to 288 00:22:53.480 --> 00:22:59.880 look into UFOs, but there's no end. He has stated that he will 289 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:03.720 into Roswell, but didn't find anything. And of course we have during his 290 00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:10.680 tenure the Roswell reports that came out of the Air Force, but we don't 291 00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:18.680 see the Office of Science and Technology involved with that. The Clinton years there 292 00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:23.160 was a consultant who worked with Rockefeller because Rockefeller was interested in it. Hillary 293 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:32.000 Clinton was also there were Rockefeller's correspondence was going through her office, but that's 294 00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:38.480 all it was. And you see no real conversations between them going on that. 295 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:44.200 You know that the Clintons were actively helping Rockefeller. It seemed like Rockefeller 296 00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:48.960 wanted them to be, but they didn't really respond much or officially get any 297 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:52.839 investigation going on. So I don't you know, you're asking the White House 298 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:56.960 to investigate itself, and then the Democratic president to investigate the Office of the 299 00:23:57.000 --> 00:24:02.240 Science and Technology, which obviously is not interested in the subject, to investigate 300 00:24:02.319 --> 00:24:06.880 the Clinton office. It's a really tall order, and I think, what 301 00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:10.839 even if he gets to twenty five thousand signatures, Like you said, that's 302 00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:14.799 a tough one. Well, and you make a really good point pointing out 303 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:19.039 that you're asking the White House to ask Congress to investigate the White House. 304 00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:23.799 You know that it seems sort of combative, like The first one was basically, 305 00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:27.319 say admit to us that you're lying. You're all liar. I mean, 306 00:24:27.559 --> 00:24:33.920 you can't go and attack them and expect them to really have any sort 307 00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:37.200 of motivation, any desire to tell you something if they know something. Yeah, 308 00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:41.160 I think what would have been interesting. Antonio and I were just talking 309 00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:47.200 about this because Antonio wrote the Rocketfeller document he was on staff, and Antonio 310 00:24:47.400 --> 00:24:49.640 and I were talking it would have been interesting if you worded it in the 311 00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:53.880 way because the Office of Science and Technology said they had no evidence. If 312 00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:59.000 you were to worded it that we would like the Office of Science and Technology 313 00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:04.640 to respawn to the Rockefeller document. And because there is some great evidence in 314 00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:08.960 there. There's some great cases in there, and that straightforward the wording is 315 00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:12.240 so much better because it's like, Okay, you say you can't find any 316 00:25:12.279 --> 00:25:15.759 evidence, Well, what do you think of this document? Because there's some 317 00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:18.960 great evidence in there. That would have been good. I mean that would 318 00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:22.039 have been something I think the entire UFO research community would have been behind because 319 00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:26.000 it would be interesting to see what the White House says. Yeah, and 320 00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:30.200 again Antoni made a good point too. I mean, it's the timing is 321 00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:33.400 bad too. I mean, look at everything that's going on in our country 322 00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:37.759 right now. I really don't think there's going to be a congressional hearing about 323 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:42.359 something like this. So Obama's already asking them to create jobs, and you 324 00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:48.640 know they're obviously not excited to do anything Obama is asking them to do right 325 00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:56.640 alone. Look for extraterrestrials to investigate this thing. Well, we'll watch through 326 00:25:56.680 --> 00:26:00.519 the month of December and see how it unfolds. Yeah, all Hunter, 327 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:03.480 that is it for the news. Remember to check out all these stories and 328 00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:06.640 so many more at openminds dot tv, your source for UFO related news. 329 00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:10.200 I'm Jason McClellan, your Open Mindes news correspondent, and you have been briefed. 330 00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:14.920 Have a happy thanksgiving everyone back to you, Alejandro. Thank you, 331 00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:18.400 Jason. All right, before we get into the interview, I want to 332 00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:25.400 tell you about another couple of stories that you can read that we've written and 333 00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:32.799 lately, Antonio and I have tackled England. Speaking of written earlier, and 334 00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:37.799 that is a story that actually I wrote for the Huffington Post, although it 335 00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:44.720 was written by another group. Had written about Prince Philip having a new biography 336 00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:48.359 out and it's not an autobiography. But it's a gentleman who wrote about Prince 337 00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:52.799 Philip. And Prince Philip is the Duke of Edinburgh and the husband of Queen 338 00:26:52.920 --> 00:27:00.960 Elizabeth, and he had actually a very interesting upbringing and he was a fellow 339 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:06.319 in the navy who the Queen fell in love with as the princess before she 340 00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:10.880 was queen. And so this guy decided to write a biography about the Prince. 341 00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:18.319 What's interesting is that he was actually inspired by Prince Phillip's UFO interests, 342 00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:22.599 and that's what I wrote about on the Huffington Post, that he was going 343 00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:29.079 to write a book about eufologists after World War Two and Prince Philip was one 344 00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:33.359 of those people, because Prince Philip has been into UFOs for some time, 345 00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:37.319 but because he got into Prince Philip's story, he thought it was so interesting 346 00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:41.559 that this deserved a book itself, just Prince Philip's early life, which it 347 00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:45.240 does. It is very interesting. I went on to talk about something that 348 00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:52.200 Antonio has written about on Open Minds before, about how Prince Philip's uncle, 349 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:56.319 Lord Mountbatten, and I'm not even sure if I'm saying that correctly, but 350 00:27:56.519 --> 00:28:00.920 he had also been into UFOs. This was a a lord, a well 351 00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:07.839 to do gentleman, and he actually had one of his employees saw UFO on 352 00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:12.759 his one of his estates, and he investigated that, but he had some 353 00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:19.559 ideas about UFOs. So very interesting story. Now. Antonio then went on 354 00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:26.279 to write on Open mindsa on TV about the nineteen seventy nine UFO debate at 355 00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:30.359 the House of Lords, and you can really read the verbiage from the entire 356 00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:36.200 debate. And this is really interesting because the House of Lords, which is 357 00:28:36.319 --> 00:28:37.559 kind of weird. We don't have something like that, you know, here 358 00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:42.839 the queen can declare someone a lord and they're an important person and they have 359 00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:48.720 their own branch, kind of like the House of Representatives or something where the 360 00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:53.240 lords get together and they can their branch of the government. And so there 361 00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:59.519 was a debate there about UFOs in nineteen seventy nine, and Antonio put a 362 00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:03.720 story on Open Minds TV about that and some official documents that came from that 363 00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:07.000 debate. So very very interesting stories. I'll have to check those out. 364 00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:11.960 Uh As for now, we uh let's go ahead and get to our interview 365 00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:18.799 with Betty may Oh Curl. I'm very happy to have gotten her and this 366 00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:25.440 is a great Uh. I'm glad to have her on. All right. 367 00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:30.559 I am excited to have on the show. Author of the Mysterious Lendsy Lights, 368 00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:34.720 Betty may O Curl. Did I now I tried to do your name 369 00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:38.480 and ken? Did I get it better this time? Or is it like 370 00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:44.200 kind of oak roll? Yeah? It just kind of roll? Okay, 371 00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:47.480 I love it. And where did you say the origins of your name was? 372 00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:52.839 Okay? Yeah, very interesting. It's a neat name. So overall, 373 00:29:53.319 --> 00:30:00.160 So, Betty, you've written this book about these UFO encounters, and 374 00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:04.960 it's really interesting to me. You know that the sightings that you were having, 375 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:11.640 which actually I hadn't heard of in Lindsay, Wisconsin, were so impressive 376 00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:18.200 to you that you decided to write a book Exactly. I you never realized 377 00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:22.039 you would be able to see you a hole in Lady, Wisconsin. I 378 00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:26.160 didn't they lived in an area where such things had happen, so I were 379 00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:30.440 surprised by it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and you know, I've 380 00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:36.640 written recently about UFO hotspots and I do these graphs and stuff, and they 381 00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:41.200 happen all over the country. And that kind of brings me to one of 382 00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:45.839 my first questions, which is when this started happening. First, when did 383 00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:49.799 these UFO sightings start? And what did you think of the whole UFO phenomena 384 00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:56.119 when this all began. I mean, were you sort of an enthusiast or 385 00:30:56.119 --> 00:31:00.480 did you just really not think much of the subject. Well, I know 386 00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:03.960 I didn't think about UFLES. I never had a reason to. But in 387 00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:11.000 mid October two thousand they work. My daughter and I were coming home from 388 00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:17.160 Marshall is a town about fifteen miles from my home, and it was my 389 00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:22.960 time and the first sighting appeared. At that time. The sky was a 390 00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:30.480 reformation of about It came with nine ten white lights and it just probably it 391 00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:33.440 above the world, and it wasn't too far in front of us, probably 392 00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:40.039 a half mile. And as we watched this, it just started shutting the 393 00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:45.519 flights off on at a time from the bottom row and then up the towns 394 00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:49.200 roll and it was just gone. And you know, I'm thinking to myself, 395 00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:56.240 what was that because any air craft around here I never noticed do anything 396 00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:02.720 like that. And still the sitings discontinued. And this was in mid actual 397 00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:07.799 work of two thousand and four, and my daughter was listening. She was 398 00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:12.200 eleven at the time. And we see this together. So the next day 399 00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:15.119 I thought, I'll just go to the library and find some books about your 400 00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:20.079 goals, and we can find a picture of what it was we saw that 401 00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:24.640 night. And of course we did find a picture of what looked like of 402 00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:30.319 information somewhat of what we saw, and right there I was kind of convinced 403 00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:36.920 that it was something out of the ordinary. So we just continued to watch 404 00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:39.400 for them, and at times we would just catch up by supplies. We 405 00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:43.359 had no ideas it's going to happen, and then all of a sudden's voice 406 00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:50.440 turning on. And so I hat this documented what we saw and kept track 407 00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:54.119 of it real close on the calendar and decided I was going to write about 408 00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:59.200 it because there were so many sightings. But prior to that, you know, 409 00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:05.880 I just an counting post and I never dolved into the UFOL. I 410 00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:14.920 watched movies in my uh later ten years about UFOs and maybe some documentaries when 411 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:21.839 your vold, but I never seen any of my own. Now, this 412 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:27.680 first signing that you had about could you estimate how far above the road you 413 00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:34.799 think those lights were? Well, according to the tree line on the Sire 414 00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:39.160 road, they were just above the tree line and right in the center of 415 00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:44.240 the road. Wow. So just yeah, just in front of us and 416 00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:47.759 between the tree line. And I don't know where it came from because just 417 00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:52.559 suddenly I see with sitting in the sky. I mean I didn't see it 418 00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:59.039 turning on. I just wanted to sit there. And when I asked my 419 00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:01.160 daughter, would you look at it and if you can tell, because I 420 00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:06.359 wasn't sure if there was a hill, you'd say, maybe going with a 421 00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:10.679 trailer with defructor lights. Sitting there and my my car lights are hitting their 422 00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:15.079 lights, they exucting, and you know, I'm when I see this deformation 423 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:17.880 and she said, no, it's in the sky, definitely in the sky. 424 00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:22.079 And of course we got a little culture. Well, yeah, it 425 00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:27.000 was definitely in the sky and about a bottle and then it just started shutting 426 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:31.039 off one out of time and that was really really weird. Wow. Since 427 00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:36.519 you can kind of estimate that it was just above the tree line, what 428 00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:43.239 were your estimates for the possible size of this formation? Hmmm. I would 429 00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:50.000 say did it in a school bus, it would be you know, and 430 00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:52.840 it's and it's hard to recoup because it happened so fast and at the time 431 00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:59.960 they're not thinking to taste on that type of information. But when I did 432 00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:02.519 decided that I was going to keep track of it because after a couple of 433 00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:09.000 sightings, curved acted at a well okay, this is more dis once they 434 00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:15.159 were going to see track of them and see what really occurs that. Yeah, 435 00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:19.760 yeah, it documented everything in the book. And like I said, 436 00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:24.000 I have the kind of data of a dozen sightings. I had drew illustrations 437 00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:29.800 of what we saw because we couldn't never get pictures. So that helps the 438 00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:36.159 reader, you know, see what it is that is being described. Right, 439 00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:43.039 So this these red lights, I'm just I think that you said that 440 00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:45.400 they were read and I'm kind of guessing because that looks like on the book 441 00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:50.880 cover, you know, you kind of have a illustration of a V formation 442 00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:54.159 of these red lights. Were they very bright? Well, okay the V 443 00:35:54.320 --> 00:36:00.880 formation on the cover, they were white lights. See we see and white 444 00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:06.280 lights like in the V formation. And we've seen rows of yellow white, 445 00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:12.400 and you've seen rows of all orange and rows of all reds, and we've 446 00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:15.119 seen yeah, we've seen several different things. They weren't all the same. 447 00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:22.480 So and and we've seen an object that looked like a whole moon, and 448 00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:29.400 we've seen another exciting that they it appeared to be stars, a group of 449 00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:35.079 saws, and then a short time later when I checked by these stars, 450 00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:38.360 they were nowhere in sight. Wow. So yeah, so you know, 451 00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:43.559 you just try the expense of it. My entire is the extense of what 452 00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:47.360 it is that you're you're ling. And then there's the three of us in 453 00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:52.599 the family seeing the same. It wasn't just one of us. It was 454 00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:55.760 the three of us most of the time. And my daughter and I together 455 00:36:55.960 --> 00:37:00.440 seen seeing all of them except for the one sighting of the red lights. 456 00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:05.800 I was by myself when I saw this royal red lights and a lot of 457 00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:09.480 these sightings were viewed by from our house. Wow. So your daughter, 458 00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:14.800 how old was she when this first sighting occurred? And how did what did 459 00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:22.519 she think? She was eleven and I don't know if it was been watching 460 00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:29.119 ETV and whatnot. Her response to it at first, she was a little 461 00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:32.639 a little scared, I think, but then I told her, I said, 462 00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:36.679 you know, this is just the once in a lifetime thing. You 463 00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:38.400 know, we're gonna see anything. I could again, I said that I 464 00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:44.159 do think that was a year goal. And uh, well, alone beholds. 465 00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:49.599 We've seen a business fightings and as time went on, Amanda was really 466 00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:55.039 interested in watching for these and you made it a point to gather up our 467 00:37:55.079 --> 00:38:00.239 stuff and back the car the driveway and sit on our data road across my 468 00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:07.280 driveway just about every night and watch for your vote. And she was stray 469 00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:13.480 into it. Well, she must have kind of talked to her friends about 470 00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:17.119 this, did them how did they react? Did they start to come hang 471 00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:21.400 out with you or did or did she not talk to her friends about it? 472 00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:25.000 Yeah, she didn't want to say too much. Of her friends and 473 00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:30.039 Holly at that time were maybe too scared because we live in the country and 474 00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:34.000 when she didn't have her friends old, she didn't want to scare them. 475 00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:38.239 You know, we've told the two people. But then you know, you 476 00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:42.000 don't want to stay a whole lot. You know, people are going to 477 00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:49.920 think you're cookie. Right. Yeah, but now the book is out with 478 00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:54.280 her picture on the back with us, so you know there's no going back 479 00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:59.280 now. Yeah. Well, and now she's what around seventeen or eighteen? 480 00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:01.960 Yeah, to eighteen. Well, yeah, so you can be a little 481 00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:05.159 more brave. That's when you start to be a little more brave. I 482 00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:12.519 guess, huh exactly. So right after this first signing you've said that you 483 00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:17.440 started to see it more often. About what was the frequency? There really 484 00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:23.599 wasn't a set pattern. It could happen a couple of weeks from each other 485 00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:28.800 or a month, two months, but at one point, I think a 486 00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:34.760 good four or five months it had gone by before we came again. You 487 00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:38.159 just never knew. That's why we started watching blond too, because we just 488 00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:44.039 wanted to figure out what they were right, And when we came up with 489 00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:52.280 the answer, there was a found most of the time they did stationary a 490 00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:57.800 lot of times. These roads, the lights they were similar in the fact 491 00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:02.199 that they did light up one the light at a time and cover there and 492 00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:08.039 then shut off in the opposite directions and then maybe light up again, maybe 493 00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:13.360 say at an angle. And these lights were all about the same flies. 494 00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:19.159 I would guess them to be somewhere around the side of the stack and goal 495 00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:24.119 light. Okay, yeah, you know if you're coming approaching the stack and 496 00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:29.679 goal light, how big a stock and goal light would be. Yeah yeah. 497 00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:35.679 And it was no glare. It was like they were contained in the 498 00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:40.679 circles. And like I said, we were either all yellow, white, 499 00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:45.920 white, orange, or red. It was never mixed colors. Oh really, 500 00:40:46.119 --> 00:40:52.239 never mixed colors, all one color right M. And I observed flayers 501 00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:58.280 being shot blocks from the jets. The jets fly over here is open air 502 00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:04.119 space. I called Fort McCoy alth of us here because they do never your 503 00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:06.719 own you know, I knew that, but I wanted to know what it 504 00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:10.280 looked like, you know, so where I wouldn't state there the vy for 505 00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:16.679 what we were seeing, and it's it's not clarious because they were shooting players 506 00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:23.119 off just this week and I watched them and it kind of resembled me what 507 00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:32.000 we saw, but not it wasn't. So it's still unidentified. Have you 508 00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:37.880 seen these things moving? No, they did. It's kind of turn on 509 00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:45.159 and turn off. Yes, stationary at two top levels. M. Yeah, 510 00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:52.760 no noise. So then you what about you you you had obviously you 511 00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:59.280 were curious about them. Did you begin investigating kind of on your own or 512 00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:06.920 did you start by inquiring with neighbors or people in the area. Well, 513 00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:08.880 right away, I went to the library. At the time, I didn't 514 00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:15.800 have a home computer, and I got all the documentation I could of any 515 00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:20.159 UFOL books that was possibly out there. I went to the video store got 516 00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:28.239 documentaries to watch just to compare what it was people were reporting and was we 517 00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:32.760 were doing. And there was a strong resemblance to what other people were saying 518 00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:39.159 that they saw and resaws, So you know, I was starting to think 519 00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:45.840 more and more of that, is this really what you call ufols? And 520 00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:52.039 I didn't talk too much to the neighbors. I until my husband went to 521 00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:57.639 work and was talking to the guys about the guides that we had been seeing. 522 00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:00.880 And there was a few people that had come forward that lived in our 523 00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:07.760 area here so that they had seen excusing two that they couldn't explain. So 524 00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:12.679 that has ended up a little more for me to actually talk to the math 525 00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:16.039 from what is it you saw? And some people played that had actually seen 526 00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:22.840 soccer, they kind of craft wow in the period, Yeah, are and 527 00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:28.000 much more impressive than what we were seeing. And I'm like, wow, 528 00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:34.400 no kidding. You know, I had no idea that you've both spotted in 529 00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:39.199 News Wisconsin. Yeah, yep. What about your husband then? What how 530 00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:43.920 did he react when you went and told him what you and your your daughter 531 00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:50.360 had seen. Yeah, the first night when we've seen the deformation as we 532 00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:55.639 came home uh, and approached our drive day there was another exciting right on 533 00:43:55.719 --> 00:44:00.599 the horizon rest of us that is very rage. It is like a bouncing 534 00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:05.320 wall, a flaming wall. I mean, this thing looks like it was 535 00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:12.039 on fire, actually burning, and its bouncing. This thing that bounced across 536 00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:15.559 the haridizing and it bounced delivered to the right, and it bounced to the 537 00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:19.440 to the left, and then all of a sudden it was stat there. 538 00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:23.199 Wow. And then you know what I mean, this light shot up straight 539 00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:29.039 out of the center and we're watching this thing shoot up in the sky. 540 00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:32.159 It was just a small light at the side of the star. And then 541 00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:37.559 and then it just traveled straight left and it stopped and traveled straight the straight 542 00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:43.599 like the straight right, and then straight left and it was like okay, 543 00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:46.480 And that was the very thing light he'd see the reformation. So when I'm 544 00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:52.280 when my husband came to work, you pay him right away. We just 545 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:57.119 saw this in the stone, and you know, he's the quiet spot in 546 00:44:57.199 --> 00:45:00.760 any way. But he didn't say a whole lot. And he's been a 547 00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:06.280 few days after that, my daughter died and we told him again, and 548 00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:12.679 he didn't say a whole lot until he ended up having his own fighting along 549 00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:16.239 with us, and he just trying to turn and looked at me a little 550 00:45:16.280 --> 00:45:23.280 white with the said I just got these things back, and I said yeah, 551 00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:30.639 I said exactly exactly. So then fint that point he did pay attention 552 00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:36.400 to what we were talking about, and he noticed the suit. If we 553 00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:39.639 see something, you'd call him out to take a look at it. How 554 00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:46.960 long after your signing was his first signing? We've seen our first fighting in 555 00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:52.119 October and it was the following June. Okay, so a few months. 556 00:45:52.960 --> 00:46:01.719 Yeah, I'd see Aman and I had probably three or four fighting before Judie 557 00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:07.400 one that we all though seen it, uh the same time. Yeah, 558 00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:12.079 so you're probably relieved that he finally had his own sighting in that it was 559 00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:16.920 becoming more of a family affair as opposed to just kind of gay. Oh 560 00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:21.199 yeah, you know, then you got some back up and then you feel 561 00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:23.679 like, you know, they're really before you, not looking at you, 562 00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:34.079 like all, okay exactly. So what about any local authorities did you any 563 00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:38.559 did you approach anybody? Well, at one point, yeah, I was 564 00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:44.440 getting kind of nervous because these sightings were right by our house and I didn't 565 00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:50.280 know what they wanted and because I read all these beautiful books at the time 566 00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:52.800 it just happening, I was certainly get just a little nervous about what was 567 00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:58.719 going on. And at one point I thought, I noticed a light in 568 00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:02.039 this guy and it looked like building and it is stilling with like you, 569 00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:07.039 and I was just a little lor it. And as we watched this thing, 570 00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:13.920 Amanda and I where they have a good work. I watch this because 571 00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:15.400 what you do? I said, I don't know what there live. And 572 00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:22.480 so I did call our local police department and known if they didn't send the 573 00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:28.679 sheriff out here. And she took a look at it through the monocoas and 574 00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:31.639 said, that's a star. And I said, that's the star. I 575 00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:36.719 said, it's still being by the way the zoo. And I don't know 576 00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:39.800 if they have satellites up there and do this, but I noticed the things 577 00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:46.880 in the sky even now, a few of them that are located in stategic 578 00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:52.639 places that seemed to have this stroke effect. I don't think it's a star. 579 00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:57.599 I think it couldn't be a sale. But she she says to you, 580 00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:00.159 we can't do anything about it. In the it's three top level. 581 00:48:01.639 --> 00:48:08.880 But I'm thinking, really, well, that's an interesting response. That's very 582 00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:13.559 strange because it's like, Okay, I can see maybe if it's at tree 583 00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:16.039 top level, but it, you know, leads me to wonder, and 584 00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:21.599 this has happened. Some police have had their own signings and sometimes of things 585 00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:25.760 that are at tree top level. I wonder if they have any stories around 586 00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:31.559 there in their police department of things like that happening, right, because the 587 00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:37.119 responsive is though if at the tree top level, they could do something about 588 00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:39.920 it, but it's way out there. There's nothing you're going to do about 589 00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:45.280 it. And it did kind of strike It's kind of some interesting that but 590 00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:49.800 he's like, oh boy, you know, I call her out here and 591 00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:55.480 there's nothing more than it's strong. Yeah, you know, but after that, 592 00:48:55.679 --> 00:49:00.960 we just made sure that what we were looking at isn't anything that was 593 00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:07.480 was just you know, identifiable. So but I never called anyone after that. 594 00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:09.519 I just thought, there's nothing that they're going to do about it, 595 00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:15.760 and I'll just keep track of it. So, out of all the sightings 596 00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:21.639 that you had, was the first one the most spectacular or was there another 597 00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:30.559 one or others? Yeah, they're all they're all extraordinary. Really, I 598 00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:36.280 can't really complaint any that that was better than others. Uh, I do 599 00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:39.559 know that they want account that I have in the books of the red lights. 600 00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:45.239 Uh. Scared the heck out of me. I was unruled myself coming 601 00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:49.239 home. They have the lights led up beside me, uh, right alongside 602 00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:53.360 our house here, wow, or across from our house educate And yeah, 603 00:49:53.679 --> 00:50:00.840 it scared me. So those wouldn't have been pretty low the for it's just 604 00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:04.840 a build the tree tops. Yeah, yeah, and it was big. 605 00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:09.719 I estimated it to be about as big as a bond like life. Yeah, 606 00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:16.880 one light or all together just well there was six about six lights get 607 00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:20.800 light up one at a time. And like I said, all these lights 608 00:50:20.840 --> 00:50:23.280 seemed to act to say. They would just light up one at a time 609 00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:29.360 and cover there and then short time acting up, they'll just start turning off 610 00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:37.039 in the opposite direction. So very intriguing, really very scary, bit intriguing. 611 00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:44.199 What are the people like in your town about? How big is it? 612 00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:50.360 Has that been very far from a big town? Well, I really 613 00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:53.920 say I tell you how big Marshall is. I really can't recall it. 614 00:50:54.039 --> 00:51:02.719 The population is a Marshall, but Lindsay is about seventeen miles southwest of the 615 00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:07.280 city. Of Marshfield, and it's just a community. It just has a 616 00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:13.559 local bar, a small general store, a park, and just some little 617 00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:19.440 neighbors, you know. And we're three miles south of this little community and 618 00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:22.760 we're just country people. You know. A lot a lot of us live 619 00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:27.719 in the woods. This is a big hunting area, a lot of wildlife, 620 00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:34.079 and we're just you know, mind their own business and we'll just you 621 00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:40.159 know, say hide at amazing museum and whatnot. And when I wrote this 622 00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:44.320 book, I didn't know what kind of response I was going to get from 623 00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:50.559 the community. But the local tavern had had the book fighting down here. 624 00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:55.559 She advertises that Radhill, and they were open to it. A lot of 625 00:51:55.599 --> 00:52:00.400 people around here already ever read the book, and I thought it was well 626 00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:08.440 written. And I haven't had really any negative responses. I just any negative 627 00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:15.559 responses are probably keeping up to them, tells me. But yeah, so 628 00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:23.599 that's that's interesting that. I mean, well, Jimp, when the book 629 00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:34.719 came out, were you shocked by the positive response? Not shocked, but 630 00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:43.840 or surprised? Yeah. Yeah, I was hoping the book was going to 631 00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:46.719 be good. I was hoping that people were going to be receptive to it, 632 00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:53.480 and they were and I'm I'm just glad, I really am. Like 633 00:52:53.599 --> 00:53:00.400 I said, people are just pretty much open minded around you know. Yeah, 634 00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:07.400 so I don't know. We'll see how much publicity I did here in 635 00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:13.400 the coming two years that I have the contract with my publishers. So it's 636 00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:19.840 just getting going. Now. Have you had anybody, you know of very 637 00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:23.719 many people that have kind of maybe not talked to you anymore or treat you 638 00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:30.800 strangely at all. No, no, no, yeah, that's great. 639 00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:36.480 I think that you know, and we'll see what you think from your experience 640 00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:42.559 that people are more open about this stuff. They may or at least open 641 00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:46.440 minded. They may not talk about it much, they may be shy or 642 00:53:46.599 --> 00:53:52.119 hesitant to talk about it, but once they feel comfortable to talk about it 643 00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:59.760 or with someone who they're comfortable with that It's always surprising to me how many 644 00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:06.119 people are at least open to the idea. Well, you know, that's 645 00:54:06.159 --> 00:54:09.320 why I wrote the book. I guess I wanted people to come forward if 646 00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:14.119 they did see something I didn't want it just have to go door to door 647 00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:17.760 and say, did you see anything Discatchuh? Do you know what I thought? 648 00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:23.199 If I put it in the book documented it had had the illustrations and 649 00:54:23.320 --> 00:54:29.400 that people would be able to see what we saw from the illustration and say 650 00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:36.039 I see that and come forward. And they did at the book signing and 651 00:54:36.159 --> 00:54:39.639 an Undy Brown girl, I did have a couple of people come forward and 652 00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:45.360 tell me what they saw. That's too funny. So when I wave there 653 00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:51.320 a mile a miles away from our house, these people came forward, but 654 00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:54.360 the bay saw and they were you know, kind of creaped out by it. 655 00:54:54.639 --> 00:55:00.880 And I guess also if someone else that had what the book told me, 656 00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:05.760 you know, other people think so, you know, but you're the 657 00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:10.440 one that has had the guests to write about it and want just like you 658 00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:15.000 know, it's a the sting of stuff, you know, a dozen fightings, 659 00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:21.159 it's an a four year period. I mean why you know it was 660 00:55:21.199 --> 00:55:27.719 different for the for the answers of it, why we h Yeah, well 661 00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:31.320 it's a little long. Yeah, that's the unfortunate part. I mean, 662 00:55:32.039 --> 00:55:37.880 you know, uh, there are and I don't know what you found when 663 00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:40.320 you started to look into this subject. There seems to be a lot some 664 00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:45.440 people who feel they've discovered and it's usually not discovering a couple of answers. 665 00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:51.480 It's either they've they feel they've discovered all the answers or none of the answers. 666 00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:55.719 And some of the people who I respect to have been in this field 667 00:55:55.760 --> 00:56:00.039 the longest, uh, you know, kind of feel like the more they 668 00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:04.199 find, the more questions they have, so they really haven't. You know, 669 00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:09.239 this phenomenon is so enigmatic, it's difficult to understand. Uh, the 670 00:56:09.559 --> 00:56:16.079 mechanisms are the motives behind it? Where did you feel that way? Did 671 00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:20.960 you feel like as you started to research you came any closer to an answer? 672 00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:25.639 No? Actually, I was doing a more information what I could even 673 00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:31.480 process, and it was like, where will this end? Is there end? 674 00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:36.000 You know? It's like even to this day, you know, there's 675 00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:42.599 just so much talk and whatnot, so much written on this topic, and 676 00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:51.000 mane averts it's dis ends work and I'm just a little sied of that my 677 00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:53.400 book and I you know, it's just a little us that it's really out 678 00:56:53.480 --> 00:57:00.000 there, and I'm just glad to get it out in my community because I 679 00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:06.360 think, you know, people weren't really aware that I wasn't aware. Well, 680 00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:10.639 if you're not really into it and have been into it, you can 681 00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:16.960 go about your daily life and then think about R goals and until you see 682 00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:22.719 something. And the more I read about the topic, and uh, the 683 00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:31.079 more I discovered that people felt the same way we've seen the right you speak 684 00:57:31.159 --> 00:57:36.440 out the answer for it. You want to know what you've seen. So 685 00:57:36.559 --> 00:57:40.000 that's were going dig into all the information that you find about it, and 686 00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:46.039 you still don't get an answer other than its or identify it. And I 687 00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:53.519 haven't seen an I don't think it was in the same time. But then 688 00:57:53.559 --> 00:58:00.679 again, how do you know that we did see lights and they were unidentified 689 00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:07.280 and they still talk down even this week, it's very week of there being 690 00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:14.639 incited in the city, Wisconsin. Yeah, so I have a feeling I'm 691 00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:21.480 going to be wanting to check on the guide to little more often. Now. 692 00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:24.639 Have you heard of the movefon group, the mutual your phone network? 693 00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:31.199 Yeah? Actually, I have them come out to doing an investigation or interview. 694 00:58:34.119 --> 00:58:38.199 Oh probably. I think it's in two thousand and six. And because 695 00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:43.000 like I said, I was doing a little on edge of White, the 696 00:58:43.239 --> 00:58:50.760 lights were right by our house and I don't know, nothing developed from it. 697 00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:55.159 And that's when I decided to I'm gonna just write my own book about 698 00:58:55.199 --> 00:59:00.280 it. It's the only way to get this out there, and you know, 699 00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:06.159 I didn't poltical. This was all new to me and a friend of 700 00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:09.679 mine mentioning new songs and so that's how I got in touch with Nuthon was 701 00:59:10.280 --> 00:59:16.239 to her. And but they haven't really comes with conclusion either. Yeah, 702 00:59:17.719 --> 00:59:22.519 yeah, well it's hard. You know, I've been a move on investigator 703 00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:27.519 and you know, these sightings happen, and do you have these people kind 704 00:59:27.559 --> 00:59:36.639 of sometimes wanting uh information or some kind of maybe even some kind of closure 705 00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:42.239 around what's happening to them or what they've seen. And as a move on 706 00:59:42.440 --> 00:59:47.199 investigator you can do to say, yeah, that's weird. And and you 707 00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:53.519 know, unfortunately they're regular guys like you and me who are just instead of 708 00:59:53.559 --> 01:00:00.119 writing books, you know, going out and doing these investigations. But that's 709 01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:04.559 what's interesting about what you chose to do. And I think really neat that 710 01:00:05.599 --> 01:00:09.280 you chose to write a book. And I mean have you written other books? 711 01:00:10.519 --> 01:00:16.360 Have you written columns or were you in journalism at all? No? 712 01:00:17.039 --> 01:00:22.639 And actually this just came upon me out of the doup. Well. When 713 01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:27.159 I was younger, I thought, yeah, i'll write some poetry. This 714 01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:32.960 is that you know that never developed into anything. And I never tried writing 715 01:00:34.039 --> 01:00:37.920 a book before, but I thought, you know, I'm just going to 716 01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:43.119 write down what happened, you know, write down our dialogue that we care, 717 01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:47.840 how we thought discilly behind the siding, and just go from there and 718 01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:54.079 put it in the book and see what happened. And I was really glad 719 01:00:54.320 --> 01:00:59.039 to hear that. People said it was well written, and they disney the 720 01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:04.599 incredient that if I would ever have the easy to write another book, even 721 01:01:04.639 --> 01:01:08.559 though follow up to the mysterious things, he writes, I have the encouragement 722 01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:15.440 maybe needed to do it because this thing did turn out well. So I'm 723 01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:16.920 just really pleased. You know, I never, like I said, I 724 01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:22.800 was never a published writer before, so this is all new to me, 725 01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:27.760 and you know, I'm happy about it. Yeah. I mean, did 726 01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:30.760 you ever imagine that, you know, you would write a book about UFOs 727 01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:37.599 No, like I said, maybe poetry exactly. And that's a little bit 728 01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:43.760 of a little bit different than poetry. Oh yeah, And it's it's nonfiction. 729 01:01:44.360 --> 01:01:46.239 You know, this really happened to us, and one of it is 730 01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:53.079 made up. I have a chapteral so that involves the fact that I developed 731 01:01:53.760 --> 01:02:04.480 kydromyologia basically right after these writings are doing exciting and it just happened like whole 732 01:02:04.719 --> 01:02:14.159 night, and I'd be catastronging learning at maybe being in quote vicinity of a 733 01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:22.519 lot of these exciting possibly could have affected my system because I was finding before 734 01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:28.480 that, And then after these fightings started happening, I was wasn't fine, 735 01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:35.000 and I was going to the doctor for a couple of years with complaints of 736 01:02:35.079 --> 01:02:44.039 body pain and lagia and couldn't sleep and painle and my limbs and singers and 737 01:02:44.840 --> 01:02:50.960 and they ran all kinds of tests and everything was negative. And I basically 738 01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:55.559 diagnosed myself because there wasn't anything left and they didn't know how to treat me. 739 01:02:57.559 --> 01:03:00.039 And I looked it up to myself and like the doctor is going, 740 01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:04.480 you know, anything like it figuring would beat file my over because there's nothing 741 01:03:04.559 --> 01:03:08.360 else, you know, you're not finding anything else wrong with you. And 742 01:03:09.400 --> 01:03:15.440 it's still to this day one I'm living the side of elogion. And as 743 01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:20.239 if they don't know why, all of a sudden it came out and I 744 01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:24.000 decided I should be pregarted my book to a chapter. As far as that 745 01:03:24.079 --> 01:03:28.920 I went through going back and forth to the doctor for a couple of years, 746 01:03:29.320 --> 01:03:34.480 and because that never ever happened in my life before I eating rice and 747 01:03:34.639 --> 01:03:42.760 got my medical records and coincided my visits to the doctor with the sighting of 748 01:03:42.880 --> 01:03:47.559 the lights, and it all happened at the same time. And I haven't 749 01:03:47.599 --> 01:03:52.719 been going back to exactly thing at all, and we haven't been doing light 750 01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:57.840 seasons, so I don't know, you know, it's just forgot, but 751 01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:04.480 I felt strong enough about it that I should include it in the book. 752 01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:11.960 I did. Yeah, well, yeah, that's really interesting. I mean, 753 01:04:13.639 --> 01:04:16.400 yeah, it's just such a strange phenomenon. But I wanted to kind 754 01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:20.519 of get back to some of the local reaction to you said that the local 755 01:04:20.599 --> 01:04:25.239 bar held ore. Is that what it was? A bar restaurant that held 756 01:04:25.760 --> 01:04:30.559 assigning the part the darn grew and so they were excited about the book. 757 01:04:32.119 --> 01:04:35.119 Yeah, I guess because they were in my introduction right, help too, 758 01:04:39.440 --> 01:04:42.360 Now that they have it, do they have their own interest in the subject. 759 01:04:43.599 --> 01:04:48.119 Well. Uh. The owner's daughter said that she had seen a light 760 01:04:48.199 --> 01:04:56.320 in the sky well two with her dad. It wasn't as impressive as all, 761 01:04:56.920 --> 01:05:00.920 she said, but she was very open to it. And the owner 762 01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:08.719 herself purchased the book and letter and the open into it and has heard around 763 01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:15.920 from other people that said that they see stuff too. So you know, 764 01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:21.639 I just still happen to write about it, and they they re enjoy it, 765 01:05:21.800 --> 01:05:27.239 I think, you know, and she continues to sell my book that 766 01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:30.719 is an establishment, and I think they're getting the kick out of it. 767 01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:34.559 Really. Yeah, that's cool, it's neat and they're open to it because 768 01:05:34.599 --> 01:05:39.079 you know, so a lot of times people get excited, you know, 769 01:05:39.159 --> 01:05:42.119 they're mentioned in the book and so they want to help promote it and things 770 01:05:42.159 --> 01:05:45.920 like that. But once in a while, especially in rural areas, you 771 01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:48.480 do find these people that are just like you know, they almost act like 772 01:05:48.519 --> 01:05:53.400 they're offended. They really don't want anything to do with anything like that, 773 01:05:53.599 --> 01:05:59.519 and so they really kind of shun it. So it's good that you've had 774 01:05:59.559 --> 01:06:02.800 this product of reaction. And you also said the local radio station talks about 775 01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:10.400 it. Yes, the radio station in Millville, which is fifteen miles west 776 01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:15.440 of me here was my hometown. Uh. The gentleman that did the interview 777 01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:19.880 and the w c c N even told me that his mother witnessed some lights 778 01:06:20.440 --> 01:06:27.079 when she lives gown this area north of north of US here when she's growing 779 01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:32.320 up, something that really stayed with her, and he was very open to 780 01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:43.360 the subject. And the gentleman that did the live interview from Marshfield, I 781 01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:47.199 don't know what he really thought of it, but you know, you know, 782 01:06:49.199 --> 01:06:54.599 he asked, he asked the right questions, and many feel comfortable since 783 01:06:54.639 --> 01:07:01.400 it was live still uh March and they're pretty open to it. The bigger 784 01:07:01.480 --> 01:07:09.280 town, but the little Limby community here that they said, since that the 785 01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:14.639 book carries the title lindsay lights, you know, I don't know if they 786 01:07:14.760 --> 01:07:17.679 if they say yay, you know they is a little bigger on the math 787 01:07:17.800 --> 01:07:26.679 now or just because you can see the dingy lights and so there we are. 788 01:07:27.400 --> 01:07:30.880 Yeah. Yeah, Now, out of these people who have come forward 789 01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:36.400 from the area and said they've had their own sightings, what what are they 790 01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:44.679 are there sighting similar to yours? Yeah? Yeah, the sparkle I call 791 01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:49.400 them sparkles, the little hind point of lights that that just seems to twinkle 792 01:07:50.199 --> 01:07:55.440 in the sky and the seeing them on poys and it seems like, you 793 01:07:55.480 --> 01:08:00.920 know, these lights appear not long after that you can't see the rows of 794 01:08:00.519 --> 01:08:05.320 the larger lights turning out and off. And several people have mentioned that they've 795 01:08:05.400 --> 01:08:13.960 seen those sparkles too, And I asked, you think it's military. No 796 01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:16.960 is say it's not military, and I'm like, okay, you know, 797 01:08:17.119 --> 01:08:23.880 I just want to confirm me and Joy. I've had the one gentleman come 798 01:08:23.920 --> 01:08:29.479 for and say he's seen a sauser oh wow, yeah, right across from 799 01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:35.800 our house. And they moved in down here on this ten acres in ninety 800 01:08:35.880 --> 01:08:42.840 seven, and he said that was the year he witnessed that he's always a 801 01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:47.319 saucer hovering above the neighbor's field across the road from our house when he came 802 01:08:47.359 --> 01:08:51.399 out of the woods. And like I said, I never seen a saucers. 803 01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:57.600 I saw lights. It's light. And for people around theitary, they 804 01:08:57.640 --> 01:09:04.079 say they've seen safice that's impressant. Yeah, which is also very common. 805 01:09:04.239 --> 01:09:10.399 But like you said, you know, these light deformations of balls of lights 806 01:09:10.439 --> 01:09:14.880 are fairly frequent occurrence as well. Now did you get the feeling that it 807 01:09:15.079 --> 01:09:21.479 was one large object or several small ones in formation? Well, no, 808 01:09:21.760 --> 01:09:27.720 I'm still looking into it. That's what it did. You know. I 809 01:09:28.439 --> 01:09:36.439 try to gather more informations so I can figure out was it one large ship 810 01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:45.039 possibly or was it double and I'm beginning to think that the lights that turn 811 01:09:45.119 --> 01:09:53.640 on and off in these roads could be from this one large object, and 812 01:09:54.239 --> 01:09:58.920 I didn't want it would be a signal. If there's three lights and then 813 01:09:58.920 --> 01:10:02.359 they shut off, and then four or five, six flights turn on and 814 01:10:02.439 --> 01:10:06.399 then they shut off, you know, it's it's a signal that's being sent 815 01:10:08.960 --> 01:10:13.960 or something, because it seems like there's something more good, you know, 816 01:10:14.000 --> 01:10:19.279 there's more to it and more we I see. Whatever they're up to. 817 01:10:20.359 --> 01:10:27.000 Whoever is running these things, they have their own little way about about how 818 01:10:27.039 --> 01:10:31.199 they communicate me. And I'm just thinking that there's sending a signal from there 819 01:10:31.680 --> 01:10:35.760 with with the number of lights and the color of the lights, you know, 820 01:10:36.279 --> 01:10:41.800 the color is being being different. I just have a feeling that there's 821 01:10:41.840 --> 01:10:48.359 something to that that I would like to know more moments. Yeah, and 822 01:10:48.520 --> 01:10:53.239 who do you think? What is your theory as to who these guys are? 823 01:10:54.159 --> 01:11:00.600 M hm, you know, I say it if I'm really staying what 824 01:11:01.159 --> 01:11:04.880 they are, because I don't know what they are, and I'm not gonna 825 01:11:04.920 --> 01:11:09.279 say, oh, yeah, it's it's sort of shift a little manuent or 826 01:11:09.640 --> 01:11:14.840 this or that or all. I know. If they were lights and they 827 01:11:14.880 --> 01:11:25.119 were lights that don't resemble anything that I would consider mandated, because nothing covers 828 01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:30.920 at tree top level and it's silent and kept their light drop in the dark, 829 01:11:30.960 --> 01:11:34.359 and then you know, either reappese somewhere else in the sky or don't 830 01:11:34.359 --> 01:11:40.199 need you here at all. That there isn't make any sense for our many 831 01:11:40.600 --> 01:11:46.239 craft. And if you're gonna have an airplane cover at tree top level, 832 01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:54.840 you're either gonna hear something they can't say the sky at tree top level in 833 01:11:54.960 --> 01:11:59.720 the aircraft and any long and if it's a helicopter, you're gonna hear something, 834 01:12:00.239 --> 01:12:04.800 yeah, and usually going to have a flashing light somewhere. And the 835 01:12:04.960 --> 01:12:11.239 lights appeared to be big enough where if it was an airplane, it would 836 01:12:11.319 --> 01:12:17.359 have to be almost landing for the lights to be decided they are, So 837 01:12:17.520 --> 01:12:24.279 it doesn't match the description of an airplane or a hot air balloon or a 838 01:12:24.399 --> 01:12:28.600 glider flutter. You know, there's something that I can match it up with, 839 01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:36.720 So therefore is unidentified. Yeah, so you really don't want to say 840 01:12:40.479 --> 01:12:44.560 you know where it comes from, but you just have a feeling it's not 841 01:12:44.680 --> 01:12:47.239 ours, it's not man made. Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much, 842 01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:49.439 And yeah, I don't know where it comes from. I really don't 843 01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:55.119 and I don't want to speculate where it comes from. I was never given 844 01:12:55.159 --> 01:13:01.359 a message or killed, you know, subliminate publiminally where these objects are from 845 01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:06.520 or where they're going or what they want. So I don't know. And 846 01:13:06.640 --> 01:13:11.399 the other thing I have is my my objects to tell me this is what 847 01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:15.560 I saw, and good thing my daughter was with me were the same thing. 848 01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:20.319 And then her dad to also been a bit full. And then my 849 01:13:20.479 --> 01:13:28.399 friend that wrote the forward my book one night as a set of lights by 850 01:13:28.439 --> 01:13:34.600 our house hits. So we went alone, and I'm happy for that too. 851 01:13:36.960 --> 01:13:43.880 Why we were Why we were picked to see this? Or I said, 852 01:13:43.880 --> 01:13:48.399 it's sam tru to me too. You know why the mini starting you 853 01:13:48.479 --> 01:13:54.960 know maybe one way to two that's a dousand did in a Poe period. 854 01:13:56.680 --> 01:13:59.760 Yeah, but why I thought, Yeah, just belonged to the book. 855 01:14:00.079 --> 01:14:06.119 Yeah, people got to read about great And I think it is it's wise 856 01:14:06.199 --> 01:14:13.279 of you, and I think it's you know, a rational investigative way to 857 01:14:13.399 --> 01:14:16.079 look at it. In that, like you said, you know what you 858 01:14:16.600 --> 01:14:20.359 can to do. So what you do feel is that they aren't ours, 859 01:14:20.399 --> 01:14:28.479 and they demonstrate technology that might not be similar to our technology, but that 860 01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:32.600 if it's technology at all what you're seeing, and but that you know, 861 01:14:32.880 --> 01:14:36.399 you don't know what it is. And sometimes people jump to conclusions. And 862 01:14:36.479 --> 01:14:43.680 I think it's good too, like you have been doing put together the pieces 863 01:14:43.760 --> 01:14:47.000 and let the pieces, you know, take you in whatever direction they do, 864 01:14:47.720 --> 01:14:53.840 as opposed to kind of jumping ahead. Great, and you know, 865 01:14:53.960 --> 01:14:59.119 I've wanted to make sure you want to wrote the book that we won't see 866 01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:05.760 it. And the only thing close to what we saw would have been slowly 867 01:15:08.680 --> 01:15:13.800 and I'd seen it, and yeah, like I said, it kind of 868 01:15:14.000 --> 01:15:17.600 looks like you know how they light up in a row in extreme but then 869 01:15:18.039 --> 01:15:29.359 slowly sigal out and the lights we saw actually turned off, you know, 870 01:15:29.760 --> 01:15:34.000 like a light bulb was turning up and the light was contained. And I've 871 01:15:34.159 --> 01:15:40.479 read this and I've heard of this and the other you were full materials how 872 01:15:40.600 --> 01:15:45.920 other people described getting in the saw and that's what we saw, and know 873 01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:53.000 I it has to be the same thing. And yeah, very interesting stuff. 874 01:15:53.840 --> 01:15:58.600 Really, I can't believe it, you know that that this is put 875 01:15:58.680 --> 01:16:06.439 in my hands to to write about and well, you know when yeah, 876 01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:12.479 I think it's to me, it's really interesting to hear too about the positive 877 01:16:12.520 --> 01:16:15.760 response in that area, because I know what the area is. Like. 878 01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:21.479 My stepfather's from Minnesota, and you're not too far from Minneapolis from that area, 879 01:16:21.600 --> 01:16:25.760 and you know a lot of hunters, a lot of outdoors men. 880 01:16:25.880 --> 01:16:28.359 It looks like, you know, you're in an area where there are a 881 01:16:28.439 --> 01:16:31.920 lot of lakes and forests, so a lot of outdoor people. And I 882 01:16:32.039 --> 01:16:39.079 know typically often those people can be seen and sometimes I've experienced that they are 883 01:16:39.079 --> 01:16:44.279 a little more closed to ideas. But I think that's changing, yeah, 884 01:16:45.319 --> 01:16:49.880 really, and and it's changed in Colorado where I'm from. I've seen people 885 01:16:49.960 --> 01:16:54.960 in rural areas becoming more open to this kind of stuff as they see stranger 886 01:16:55.039 --> 01:16:59.439 stuff and their friends and families see strange stuff. And uh and do you 887 01:16:59.520 --> 01:17:02.800 get that feeling? Also? You said, yeah, I believe that even 888 01:17:02.840 --> 01:17:09.399 though we are you know, out here in the words and in the rural 889 01:17:09.520 --> 01:17:15.479 area, I think sooner or later, the world is going to spread and 890 01:17:15.680 --> 01:17:21.840 it's going to get to these areas that are more closed closed in and people 891 01:17:21.840 --> 01:17:29.960 are going to realize that everybody's talking about this, these are just one person 892 01:17:30.079 --> 01:17:33.119 thing. It several people say this and mean the more they hear it being 893 01:17:33.239 --> 01:17:41.359 talked about and possibly maybe even see something on your own, Like, you 894 01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:45.880 know, I didn't ever think that I would ever seen anything like this, 895 01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:50.319 And when I did start seeing it, then I started thinking about it and 896 01:17:50.520 --> 01:17:55.479 researching it, and yes, it seems to happen. And when you see 897 01:17:55.560 --> 01:17:59.199 this, you have to know more about it, you have to know what 898 01:17:59.359 --> 01:18:03.680 it is. And so you been working for it for the inste there and 899 01:18:04.479 --> 01:18:13.880 true you know people that if you're not used to hearing about us, uh 900 01:18:15.079 --> 01:18:16.920 seeing it or whatnot, you know, and you're kind of like, oh, 901 01:18:17.079 --> 01:18:21.159 you know, there's just just have the stuff, and I don't know 902 01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:24.680 if I should beleeve in it, like maybe shouldn't even be hearing it? 903 01:18:24.800 --> 01:18:31.600 The bad might have yeah you know who, But well everyone has their own 904 01:18:31.640 --> 01:18:35.920 opinion and you know, you know, only a working left thing. And 905 01:18:36.039 --> 01:18:40.640 that's kind of what I've learned to When I took this book out, I 906 01:18:40.800 --> 01:18:45.640 thought, the people that are gonna be respective to it will be, and 907 01:18:45.760 --> 01:18:49.279 the ones that aren't just aren't. And maybe they're not ready for it, 908 01:18:50.359 --> 01:18:55.720 or maybe they won't let it be ready for it. But the truth speakers, 909 01:18:55.800 --> 01:18:59.760 you know, are out there wanting that information. They want to be 910 01:18:59.840 --> 01:19:01.760 a thought that they want to read, they want to know what everybody else 911 01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:12.760 is experiencing. So yeah, it's thought as well, Yeah, here we 912 01:19:12.880 --> 01:19:16.800 go. And I think you know that you know what you're saying. I 913 01:19:16.960 --> 01:19:20.680 personally feel I, you know, this feels this stuff is enigmatic. And 914 01:19:20.760 --> 01:19:24.880 even though I've been in it for a long time and I've talked to all 915 01:19:25.479 --> 01:19:29.000 a lot of researchers and done a lot of reading, you know, it's 916 01:19:29.039 --> 01:19:31.279 hard for me to put my finger on anything as well. And I've heard 917 01:19:31.319 --> 01:19:34.000 that from a lot of the people who were in it from the beginning, 918 01:19:34.840 --> 01:19:40.239 even the majority of their lives, and I think that I do kind of 919 01:19:40.279 --> 01:19:44.560 get the feeling that maybe that is just it, that it's such it's an 920 01:19:44.640 --> 01:19:53.600 extremely slow process of getting us open to the idea that they that there's something 921 01:19:53.720 --> 01:20:00.359 possibly out there, and maybe you know that just very extremely slowly and in 922 01:20:00.479 --> 01:20:06.279 the least traumatic way, we've become exposed to this idea until finally it's a 923 01:20:06.560 --> 01:20:13.720 given and then uh, it's it's less traumatic when we find out, you 924 01:20:13.800 --> 01:20:18.239 know, officially, that that something's going on. So that's aw right, 925 01:20:19.079 --> 01:20:24.159 I mean, that's that's my best guess, right, right. You want 926 01:20:24.199 --> 01:20:27.439 to you want to, you know, go schlow at it and you don't 927 01:20:27.479 --> 01:20:30.600 want it to just stitch in the face all of a sudden. Yeah and 928 01:20:31.840 --> 01:20:38.199 yeah, then people will be more willing to really accept these new ideas and 929 01:20:38.600 --> 01:20:44.039 the possibilities of things, you know, and and uh, the way things 930 01:20:44.199 --> 01:20:48.720 really are, I'll do with as large as the universities. Really I I 931 01:20:49.039 --> 01:20:54.960 don't believe that we can be the old life, you know, I just 932 01:20:55.239 --> 01:20:59.159 don't believe that. And where they are and what they're doing, I don't 933 01:20:59.159 --> 01:21:08.000 know already either. But maybe somebody will have even a more impressive fighting uh 934 01:21:08.760 --> 01:21:12.399 in the future. And like I said, you know, the people that 935 01:21:12.479 --> 01:21:16.439 I'm gathering around this area that are coming for the things that they saw. 936 01:21:18.520 --> 01:21:24.319 Uh, there's been plenty of people. When my husband goes, uh running 937 01:21:24.319 --> 01:21:30.039 around doing his odd job, he takes some of my books along and talks 938 01:21:30.079 --> 01:21:34.239 to people and they come forward, and they really do. And it's unbelievable. 939 01:21:34.399 --> 01:21:42.199 People that's that's see things and of all images and they're coming forward. 940 01:21:42.279 --> 01:21:45.439 And he'll come home every once in a while with the story from his personal 941 01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:50.560 stories and hats and what faith saw a unity, you know, and I 942 01:21:50.600 --> 01:21:58.239 think you never even really understands out there that that makes people will see out 943 01:21:58.279 --> 01:22:01.920 there right. You know, I just may have a reason to write another 944 01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:08.720 book. If enough people Compollard and I wanted to talk about it, I'd 945 01:22:08.760 --> 01:22:13.920 be willing to write about it. Yeah, that's great. Now. One 946 01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:17.439 thing I do want to know is do you definitely put yourself out on a 947 01:22:17.600 --> 01:22:21.680 limb by writing this book? You know, you weren't sure how your neighbors 948 01:22:21.880 --> 01:22:27.119 or the community were going to take it. And it's sort of a risk, 949 01:22:27.199 --> 01:22:30.279 and it's kind of a big risk for someone. Why did you think 950 01:22:30.359 --> 01:22:33.760 it was important? Why did you think that you had to do this. 951 01:22:35.399 --> 01:22:42.960 I don't know, it's kind of strange. Well, they said, I 952 01:22:43.560 --> 01:22:47.359 just started writing down on my notebook, you know, by hand, handwritten, 953 01:22:48.600 --> 01:22:53.560 and I told my god, you know what, I'm going to write 954 01:22:53.560 --> 01:22:58.159 a book and I'm going to put leading on. I said, this is 955 01:22:58.399 --> 01:23:02.439 very strange happening we've seen, and I need to get this out there. 956 01:23:02.840 --> 01:23:06.880 You know, something needs to be done to open people's eyes that to really 957 01:23:08.560 --> 01:23:14.399 watch the skuy themselves. And yeah, I take a risk, you know, 958 01:23:15.039 --> 01:23:17.880 But like I said, I'm just an average middle class to the thing. 959 01:23:20.319 --> 01:23:27.560 And I guess if people want to think I'm kooky. Oh wow, 960 01:23:27.560 --> 01:23:30.159 I'm just another middle classes and that's a kook. I mean, you know, 961 01:23:32.039 --> 01:23:36.359 I don't hold any high office anywhere, and I'm not going to get 962 01:23:36.439 --> 01:23:43.680 fired from from my opinion job because my boss thinks I've lost it, so 963 01:23:44.239 --> 01:23:49.439 I thought I'm gonna do it. I'm just gonna do it. So well, 964 01:23:49.479 --> 01:23:57.760 I think you're kookie in a cool way. Well, j yeah, 965 01:23:57.920 --> 01:24:00.439 and you know, I'm It's funny that you say I don't know because I 966 01:24:00.560 --> 01:24:03.960 feel that way too. Actually, which is funny that you say that because 967 01:24:04.319 --> 01:24:11.239 I often contemplate why do I do this? Why is this so important for 968 01:24:11.399 --> 01:24:15.680 me? And it's this compulsion that I can't necessarily explain, and one day 969 01:24:15.760 --> 01:24:20.760 maybe I will. But so it's interesting to Phil to hear you say I 970 01:24:20.960 --> 01:24:28.760 don't know, because it's definitely a big step. Yeah, it is. 971 01:24:29.199 --> 01:24:32.119 Yes, Well, you know what, I want to thank you for being 972 01:24:32.199 --> 01:24:34.119 on the show. We're pretty much out of time, and I want to 973 01:24:34.159 --> 01:24:38.680 thank you for writing your book. Oh you know what, one more question? 974 01:24:39.600 --> 01:24:43.199 Has anybody gotten photographs or video? I know people have been listening the 975 01:24:43.239 --> 01:24:46.760 whole time thinking why is he asking this question? Has anybody got photos or 976 01:24:46.840 --> 01:24:55.239 video of these lights. We tried to take a step shots. It's a 977 01:24:55.279 --> 01:25:00.560 step developed. You can't get a good photo of the glow the dark. 978 01:25:00.600 --> 01:25:03.640 Could party can gold. That didn't work, So I was just left with 979 01:25:04.479 --> 01:25:10.880 making hands on healthcasions. Okay, well yeah, it's a shame. But 980 01:25:11.840 --> 01:25:15.640 boy, the ones that did get the photos and videos, I gotta hand 981 01:25:15.680 --> 01:25:17.319 it to him. Yeah, well, good ones are hard to come by. 982 01:25:17.479 --> 01:25:23.680 And I know what you're saying. Taking pictures or video of lights in 983 01:25:23.800 --> 01:25:28.680 the night sky is very difficult. It's a hard thing to do, right, 984 01:25:28.840 --> 01:25:30.840 Great, other guys I probably would have had them, you know, 985 01:25:30.039 --> 01:25:33.119 but we tried and it wasn't working. So I thought, well, we're 986 01:25:33.159 --> 01:25:38.720 just gonna take it in active and keep an eye on it and people can 987 01:25:38.840 --> 01:25:43.039 identify these things. Great. Well, you know what, I'll put the 988 01:25:43.159 --> 01:25:47.399 link to the book in the blog talk radio description and we'll put it on 989 01:25:47.479 --> 01:25:53.279 the website. And then just so people know, it's called the Mysterious Lindsey 990 01:25:53.479 --> 01:25:57.600 Light and you can go search for it on Amazon. Is there another good 991 01:25:57.640 --> 01:26:00.920 place that they should go look for you? Well, well, Bondy Noble 992 01:26:01.279 --> 01:26:08.359 has it online. I didn't even reach as far as Dutopia maps in going 993 01:26:08.439 --> 01:26:14.079 Australia. Interesting. Great, but you know, if anybody really wants to 994 01:26:14.159 --> 01:26:17.000 order the books, they could even send me an email and might be willing 995 01:26:17.159 --> 01:26:21.159 to send them on to find a copy. Also, and for the people 996 01:26:21.199 --> 01:26:25.720 in this area, just stop on down by the Lindsay Barn girl, I 997 01:26:25.760 --> 01:26:28.600 mean you will have a copy so you don't know, yeah, or head 998 01:26:28.640 --> 01:26:31.800 out to the Lindsaybarn grill. Maybe for people who want to go do some 999 01:26:32.479 --> 01:26:40.680 skywatching themselves. Yeah, absolutely absolutely. Just so people know what's b underscore 1000 01:26:40.960 --> 01:26:46.439 O c k e r L dot Mysterious Lindsay Lights and Lindsay spelt l I 1001 01:26:46.760 --> 01:26:55.399 n D s e y at RocketMail dot com. So b underscore score. 1002 01:26:55.520 --> 01:27:00.560 Oh curl oak curl that Mysterious Lindsay Lights at RocketMail dot com where they can 1003 01:27:00.560 --> 01:27:03.880 get a hold of you. And they can also well look at Mysterious Lindsay 1004 01:27:03.960 --> 01:27:10.760 Lights on Facebook. It looks like Facebook. Yes, yes, I'm on 1005 01:27:10.880 --> 01:27:15.479 Facebook, and or look up these serious aline yes. Great. So if 1006 01:27:15.520 --> 01:27:19.439 you're in the Wisconsin area and you're having sightings similar, get a hold of 1007 01:27:19.600 --> 01:27:27.039 Betty and let her know for part two of the Mysterious Lindsay Lights. Thank 1008 01:27:27.079 --> 01:27:33.199 you so much for being on the show. Thank you, Thank you Betty 1009 01:27:33.239 --> 01:27:35.880 so much for being on the show. It was great to have her on. 1010 01:27:36.039 --> 01:27:40.720 And it's cool to talk to someone new and someone fresh and get a 1011 01:27:41.000 --> 01:27:45.159 fresh perspective and you know, someone kind of from the general public who and 1012 01:27:45.359 --> 01:27:48.680 and hear what she has to say about, you know, the mystery she 1013 01:27:48.920 --> 01:27:54.479 witnessed and her thought process as to how she dealt with that, And it's 1014 01:27:54.520 --> 01:27:58.880 so cool that she documented everything and wrote a book. So go check out 1015 01:27:58.960 --> 01:28:01.600 her book, or like she said, if you're at the Lindsey Bar and 1016 01:28:01.640 --> 01:28:05.199 grill, I know you can check her out and her buddies and hang out 1017 01:28:05.239 --> 01:28:12.000 with them and talk some UFOs. That is it for the show, and 1018 01:28:12.159 --> 01:28:14.560 next week is going to be a lot of fun. We aren't going to 1019 01:28:14.640 --> 01:28:16.520 take a break just because it's Turkey Day. Later in the week, we're 1020 01:28:16.560 --> 01:28:21.600 gonna be back and we're gonna be full. And actually, BLOGTOWK Radio was 1021 01:28:21.720 --> 01:28:28.520 ran by all vegetarian, so we will not be sacrificing a turkey to the 1022 01:28:28.760 --> 01:28:34.520 Thanksgiving gods. We will be we'll have a no harm Turkey day. But 1023 01:28:34.840 --> 01:28:39.319 anyway, I hope you enjoy your meals. We're going to and when you 1024 01:28:39.439 --> 01:28:42.880 come back. We're gonna have Nick Redburn next week, so that'll be a 1025 01:28:42.920 --> 01:28:45.880 lot of fun. He's written several books on the UFO subject, about men 1026 01:28:45.960 --> 01:28:49.880 in black and Roswell and all kinds of stuff, and his latest book is 1027 01:28:49.960 --> 01:28:55.199 about contact ease, and we've talked about the contact ease of the fifties before, 1028 01:28:55.640 --> 01:28:58.279 so it's a subject I love to talk about. I think it's so 1029 01:28:58.479 --> 01:29:02.279 interesting and it's kind of a forgotten period of uphology, and so it's gonna 1030 01:29:02.279 --> 01:29:05.640 be a lot of fun to talk about how he got into this field and 1031 01:29:05.720 --> 01:29:11.359 then also talk about the contactes of the fifties. So don't miss the show 1032 01:29:11.479 --> 01:29:15.840 next week. Thank you all so much for listening, and don't forget to 1033 01:29:15.920 --> 01:29:19.039 visit Open Minds dot tv for more UFO news. Talk to you next week, people,