1 00:01:26,439 --> 00:01:33,480 Tonight's guest is Simon Simon. Welcome to the show. Thank you well, 2 00:01:33,519 --> 00:01:38,000 you're welcome. Thanks for coming on. Simon, Please give us a brief 3 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:44,239 bio on yourself. I'm thirty eight years old, I work full time. 4 00:01:45,519 --> 00:01:51,159 I'm a chef. I'm mentor nature. I like wandering now in my spare 5 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:57,159 time, finding new places to go. And I guess that's me. You 6 00:01:57,239 --> 00:01:59,879 said that you're into nature. What kinds of things do you like to do 7 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:05,599 when the woods are outdoors? I love them feeding birds. I want to 8 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:10,000 see birds. I mean, like different seeds for different birds. If you 9 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:17,560 want to track sparrows, bluetics, stylings, you'll put these fat bowls into 10 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:24,759 a containers all species. If you want to tract finches like goldfinches, greenfinches 11 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:30,400 and little birds, you get something called dig your seeds and it's a smaller 12 00:02:30,479 --> 00:02:36,240 seed, which because it's containers, you'll get different looking colored birds. If 13 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:43,879 you want to feed scrolls and you want to feed magpies and jackdaws and the 14 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:49,080 common crow that comes across, then you'll get some monkey nuts that love them, 15 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:53,520 that absolutely go wild for them. Also, this one time, I 16 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:58,639 cannot believe it in my eyes, like mother nature. I was to climb 17 00:02:58,719 --> 00:03:02,520 for the tree and put some nuts inside of container scrorells, and we used 18 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:07,800 to get like these jaybirds coming, which looks like a magpie, but it's 19 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:13,560 got that blue and green and yellow feathers to the top. And that used 20 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,840 to come and he used to absolutely love seeing it. But because I put 21 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:21,520 the nuts so far up to the tree. One day, the screeching and 22 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:27,840 crying and screeching, and looks outside and a parakeet, a green one that 23 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,400 had escaped from somebody's house. And I don't know what to do, so 24 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:37,400 a part and social media and the video that I've seen the screen parakeet and 25 00:03:37,479 --> 00:03:40,719 the replies saying, yet it's mine. So I'm thinking, okay, so 26 00:03:40,879 --> 00:03:46,479 what would you like me to do? And they said, oh, nothing, 27 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,159 just keep feeding look after it. We've chased it down the street before 28 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:55,240 with blankets. We've called it by its name? Is it very stubbornly goes 29 00:03:55,280 --> 00:04:00,439 by the name of bow, and I couns don't believe it. And it 30 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,599 kept coming a screaking outside and has a go up tree, climb up and 31 00:04:04,719 --> 00:04:09,439 give it all these monk and ups. But then obviously it's up coming, 32 00:04:09,479 --> 00:04:14,000 so I don't know whether it flew off to the other end when it keeps 33 00:04:14,439 --> 00:04:17,079 warm, but yeah, and it never comes back apparently. But yeah, 34 00:04:17,399 --> 00:04:21,480 I love nature of all the birds you expected to see that day, I'm 35 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:25,560 sure it wasn't a pera key. That had to be a pretty big surprise, 36 00:04:26,879 --> 00:04:30,439 very very Since you had your dog men experiences that we're going to talk 37 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,199 about tonight, you've put a lot of research into them, Simon, what 38 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,240 would you point to when it comes to dog mean that you find hardest to 39 00:04:38,319 --> 00:04:46,639 understand well at first, when you're yeah that experiences people's ads and your mind 40 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:54,040 cut up them to what actually hearing and seeing. There's a saying that seeing 41 00:04:54,160 --> 00:05:00,680 is believing, but when you experience it, it's different. I mean it's 42 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:08,240 like you can sit down and watch television with all these hordest stories and fins 43 00:05:08,319 --> 00:05:13,800 and it's just fiction. You're just looking at the screen, but touchually try 44 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,399 to believe that this is for real, and so you see you don't believe 45 00:05:17,439 --> 00:05:21,800 it, and you sort of listening to what people say and think yet, 46 00:05:23,639 --> 00:05:27,480 but then as you keep listening, like I kept listening to your show up 47 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,680 and I thought, well, all these people can't be drown I guess that's 48 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:38,680 how memophilia. You're right, all these people can't be wrong, and that's 49 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,839 because these guys are definitely out there is you unfortunately saw with your own eyes. 50 00:05:43,959 --> 00:05:46,120 It's easy to think that after having as traumatic of an encounter as the 51 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,079 second one you had, was the last thing you'd want to do is listen 52 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:55,120 to shows about dog men and research them. Why do you do those things? 53 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:01,279 I didn't do those fins. My first experience was twelve years ago. 54 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:10,720 But it comes to my attention when my sister she listens to your show. 55 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:16,920 And I lived with my sister because I have recently being separated from my partner, 56 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:24,439 and I've never even heard of dog man I've never even heard of dog 57 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:30,160 man encounters. But at that time your show was playing VIC and she played 58 00:06:30,199 --> 00:06:33,160 it in the night. She played it quite loud and buying me listen to 59 00:06:33,199 --> 00:06:36,120 this. I'll start of listening to it at the same time going to sleep 60 00:06:36,199 --> 00:06:41,360 on the sofa, And when I would listen to it, I can't listen 61 00:06:41,399 --> 00:06:45,560 to it because I'd wake up half awake, half asleep and sat listening to 62 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,480 the show. And I was listening it got more and more interesting, and 63 00:06:49,519 --> 00:06:53,839 I listened and listened to it. Yeah, but I thought, well, 64 00:06:53,920 --> 00:07:00,439 I did have the experience. And the more listened and the more it's the 65 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:05,279 more I realized that I wasn't alone, the more I realized that I did 66 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:10,639 have this encounter, and the more it was a doctman. And I believe 67 00:07:10,759 --> 00:07:15,480 this, but at the time, it was who would listen to me? 68 00:07:15,639 --> 00:07:20,279 Misery does love company? And yeah, if it brings you comfort by listening 69 00:07:20,319 --> 00:07:25,600 to the show and listening to the other eyewitnesses cheer their experiences, which that 70 00:07:25,639 --> 00:07:29,959 makes total sense that you would, then that's a good thing. Anything that's 71 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,959 going to bring you comfort and help you deal with your encounters, I think 72 00:07:32,959 --> 00:07:36,519 you should do it. If you would have known about dog Man before you 73 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:41,079 had your encounters, would you believe that they could be there in the UK 74 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,720 scratching out a living, even though the UK obviously isn't nearly as big as 75 00:07:45,759 --> 00:07:50,120 the United States, for example. No, I find that I to believe, 76 00:07:51,199 --> 00:07:55,920 I do believe that things are out there, but to believe that that 77 00:07:56,199 --> 00:08:01,000 that quantity and now that it's not this way experience in one area, but 78 00:08:01,319 --> 00:08:07,160 to actually, no, that's all over the place. It's kind of different. 79 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:16,680 I the skeptical like I say, oh right, but to actually experience 80 00:08:16,759 --> 00:08:20,240 if you don't know, you know, it's like people they don't believe in 81 00:08:20,279 --> 00:08:28,199 aliens, and then when they encounter something encountering experience, they actually believe and 82 00:08:28,319 --> 00:08:33,039 they try to tell people I saw this, I saw this as all this, 83 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:35,720 as all this, and nobody believes them. But then only that one 84 00:08:35,759 --> 00:08:41,039 person sees it and sees it for themselves, then this is a different story. 85 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,320 Then the same boats shouts and out, oh come on, believe me, 86 00:08:43,399 --> 00:08:48,399 believe me, I saw it. So yeah, I guess that's that 87 00:08:48,399 --> 00:08:52,039 a lot of people from the UK who are into the whole dogma and phenomenon, 88 00:08:52,399 --> 00:08:56,600 they don't believe the dogma and could be living there in the UK either. 89 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,720 So if you would have felt that way free, had that experience of 90 00:09:00,159 --> 00:09:03,799 medi any different from a lot of them. If you'd like to be able 91 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,440 to listen to the show without ads and have full access to bonus content, 92 00:09:07,799 --> 00:09:11,120 that's an option to find out how, please go to dog Me and Encounters 93 00:09:11,159 --> 00:09:18,120 dot com forward slash podcast. All right, Simon, please tell us about 94 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,600 your encounters. Now, give us every last detail that comes to mind. 95 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:37,720 Okay, My first encounter was about twelve years ago, I was about twenty 96 00:09:37,799 --> 00:09:41,559 six at the time of the now that's twenty seven, and they got me 97 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:48,720 first mortgage from my first house, which was at Top, and I was 98 00:09:48,759 --> 00:09:54,200 looking forward to celebrate moving to my new property. So I'm at up with 99 00:09:54,320 --> 00:10:00,759 me uncle, and we went to the plass called Puss Show Commenced Club, 100 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:05,759 which is just like down the road. He himself sat on his own and 101 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:11,519 I sat next to him. But it's awesome, so it doesn't interact well 102 00:10:11,519 --> 00:10:16,480 with people. It ain't got a bad bone in his body, is totally 103 00:10:16,759 --> 00:10:20,840 armless, but it didn't like talking to people who like setting his own in 104 00:10:20,879 --> 00:10:26,120 the corner. So I think he he had two years a pattern half. 105 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:33,440 I haven't had about three. And they went something to eat through the takeaway 106 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:37,600 at the top. Now that was on Beacon Road, which is further up. 107 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:43,039 So as going up being him, I want to go over what Oh? 108 00:10:43,279 --> 00:10:48,639 No, to go straight up? Straight up? Oh? So I 109 00:10:48,759 --> 00:10:54,120 was just I felt like better. I needed the wee wee. And when 110 00:10:54,120 --> 00:11:01,080 I went sort of in the bush at the side, I have sort of 111 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:07,000 noises crunching. When I say crunching, I don't mean like crunching off tea 112 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:13,399 for crunching on something that is edible. I mean like crunching, like stomping 113 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:18,440 through a holly bushes, which are quite pecular. It's like rustling bushes, 114 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:24,120 but stomping. And I just carried on as you do, and they are 115 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:35,679 this tremendous, horrifying growl. It was a noise that I've never ever, 116 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:41,799 ever ever experienced. It was a noise that I've never ever heard before in 117 00:11:41,879 --> 00:11:48,440 my life. It was the most unexplainable noise. It was awful, so 118 00:11:48,639 --> 00:11:54,440 shocking, and I sort of shoved a bit like, oh, sort of 119 00:11:54,279 --> 00:12:01,919 turned by it. Oh, I don't know, but forward and set of 120 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:09,679 walking up the road with my uncle. And I could hear panting, I 121 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:18,279 could hear footsteps, I could hear it was just terrifying, and walking I 122 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,799 could hear but went and drowned. There was nothing there. There was absolutely 123 00:12:24,639 --> 00:12:30,240 nothing there at all. But when I kept walking, I could hear the 124 00:12:30,399 --> 00:12:37,159 panting, I could hear the noise, I could hear everything. And I 125 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,120 felt like running and asking him and saying, come on, let's run. 126 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:48,279 But then I understood that if you run and they will chase you, to 127 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,159 the point that when we got to the edge of the park, whips the 128 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:58,639 park as it slowed down, and I turned around to talk to him in 129 00:12:58,759 --> 00:13:01,919 the back the shimmy of the light, the light was shining and I saw 130 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:09,679 a reflection of two eyes. It was absolutely and I knew to cut him 131 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:16,720 down. We just kept walking and he were trying to make out that he 132 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,279 didn't like to believe things. He didn't like it, and he knew that. 133 00:13:20,039 --> 00:13:26,679 I was worried at the time. But yeah, we never got to 134 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:31,200 take away and made sure he come back and straight on Beacon Road, straight 135 00:13:31,279 --> 00:13:37,200 to the top of senty Knox to the new Flat twenty six senty Knox Road. 136 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,759 But he never stayed. And normally he always walks home, but that 137 00:13:41,879 --> 00:13:46,840 night he got a taxi home to the stay. Has never been right. 138 00:13:50,639 --> 00:13:56,559 But yeah, that was him and a bit more than happy to come forward 139 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:03,720 and tell you how scared he actually they felt. He knows what they say 140 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:09,440 and he knows what so, and he knows exactly what was experienced. And 141 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:13,879 to me, that was like years ago. And thinking about that, you 142 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:20,240 think, who's going to believe it? You know, you think it could 143 00:14:20,279 --> 00:14:26,840 be what a wild dog, it could have been anything. Who's going to 144 00:14:26,919 --> 00:14:31,840 believe you? What are you going to do you're dog pounds, but I 145 00:14:31,919 --> 00:14:35,840 put that dog pounds round here. It's as a place and they're like dug 146 00:14:35,919 --> 00:14:41,519 people in but when they're going to do we'll go around the park looking for 147 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:46,600 this creature or animal or beast. No, there doesn't work like that around 148 00:14:46,639 --> 00:14:52,559 here. So it's one of those where it captures your mind and you always 149 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,840 know what you saw. You will never ever ever forget what you saw as 150 00:15:00,679 --> 00:15:05,039 you treat your mind like a computer basically, And this is what I do. 151 00:15:05,639 --> 00:15:11,519 I try keep all the good things and filter out the bad things. 152 00:15:11,559 --> 00:15:15,480 But some bad things you can't filter out. Because if you've got a computer 153 00:15:15,559 --> 00:15:20,639 full of spam, I'm full of things that could get up cookies and all 154 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,840 this business. I don't really understand them. It's going to slow down your 155 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:28,720 computer into it to look up with the U member and you know, you 156 00:15:28,759 --> 00:15:31,759 try to keep with the good memories and filter out of the bad. But 157 00:15:31,919 --> 00:15:35,360 in this experience, I couldn't. No, I couldn't, and it stuck 158 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:41,399 with me for a while and it kind of made me feel so I tell 159 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:45,799 somebody, well no, because nobody's going to believe me, and it kind 160 00:15:45,799 --> 00:15:54,679 of went from there. So yeah, that's my first experience. So this 161 00:15:54,840 --> 00:16:03,399 was New Year's there, so I want to see my friends running. She 162 00:16:03,519 --> 00:16:08,720 lived at the other side of the woods to a select area. Very a 163 00:16:08,759 --> 00:16:14,879 lot of people call it a ten Bob mullionaire area, which means a lot 164 00:16:14,919 --> 00:16:18,320 of people that live there. They think the billionaires. It's a very like 165 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,919 stumpy area, but it leads the other side of the woods and they've got 166 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:26,879 all this big woods at the back and everything on the wuldn't really so I 167 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,799 getting back it. So I'm like, yes, I'm going to see my 168 00:16:30,879 --> 00:16:34,799 friend, and so I go there see you, you know, spend a 169 00:16:34,799 --> 00:16:38,039 bit of time to give a bit. But as the next we're going on, 170 00:16:38,559 --> 00:16:45,679 it got dark really early. It was probably dark by m probably about 171 00:16:45,879 --> 00:16:52,759 three four o'clock. It got dark very early, so maybe me talking away 172 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:59,240 unless the time probably know it. There were neighbors there with this little dog 173 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:06,759 and she've been vedant dog, and neighbors apparently moved out and they've left the 174 00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:11,240 dog. But say it were a little octretarial, Well I had to say. 175 00:17:11,279 --> 00:17:21,160 The word was absolutely beautiful thing, lovely round airs lies, but he 176 00:17:21,319 --> 00:17:26,559 needed brush in it were a bit knotted and I'm gonna take it back was 177 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,440 gone to as an empty say take it back to brush it and look after 178 00:17:30,519 --> 00:17:37,359 it, and sought it all out. So she had an Alsatian dog and 179 00:17:37,599 --> 00:17:41,799 she had another dog, so she left me at the lead. So the 180 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:47,519 shortest shrew was to go straight back from Norwood Green, which is on Satition 181 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:52,319 Road. The shortest way back was to cut through Judy Woods, which leads 182 00:17:52,319 --> 00:17:56,839 toward side. So I decided, right, okay, I'm going through that 183 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:03,680 woods. So on, and everything was fine, absolutely fine, walking through 184 00:18:03,079 --> 00:18:07,759 doglantly, thinking oh yeah, you know, I got a little companion. 185 00:18:07,839 --> 00:18:12,720 Now I get to the back end, probably about over half away three quarters 186 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:25,039 and dogs starts asked differently, it's it's stopped, and I was like what 187 00:18:25,039 --> 00:18:27,599 what what? And it was just walking perfectly start with. But then when 188 00:18:27,599 --> 00:18:32,880 it stopped, it was like I walked forward sort of jolted a bit like 189 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:37,599 a seatbelt of some arm because I'm like, like what, And I could 190 00:18:37,599 --> 00:18:42,279 see as standing up on a dog and acting out of character. It was 191 00:18:42,319 --> 00:18:47,720 like telling me not to go forward. It was sort of weird, as 192 00:18:47,799 --> 00:18:52,680 the dog was walking perfectly fine before, so suddenly why But it was silent. 193 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:59,119 You couldn't hear I heard birds, playing off. But you couldn't hear 194 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:03,920 any birds around, You couldn't hear everything was that kind of like oh, 195 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,359 strange, peaceful silence, which I've never ever experienced in my life. Imagined 196 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,920 like the old life stops, and when the old life stops, she's just 197 00:19:12,039 --> 00:19:17,759 left of your own devices. And there was nothing nothing, no sounds, 198 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:26,319 no crickets chirping, no nothing, just a total sounds like everything's like disappeared. 199 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:32,240 But yeah, okay, then quanquan. So I waked forward and and 200 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:38,079 what foward was like some tall like grass and grass so I don't know what 201 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:42,440 you call them, but like big one graspings. And I stepped forward and 202 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:47,920 I slipped and I let go lead. I went straight down. It's like 203 00:19:48,599 --> 00:19:51,519 oh, a banking, as you want to call it. I went down 204 00:19:51,519 --> 00:19:56,559 a band. I hurt all the ankle. I'm like putting it on, 205 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,720 looking up, and I saw like the blood running down back on my leg. 206 00:20:00,039 --> 00:20:03,480 And when it was running down the back on my leg and fell out 207 00:20:03,599 --> 00:20:10,000 the pain and so I went in in pockets at the phone, look back, 208 00:20:10,559 --> 00:20:12,079 and I had on torturing. I walk at the dogs. So when 209 00:20:12,079 --> 00:20:17,599 I looked up, it was halfway up the hill that I slipped down the 210 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,599 banking. It come out in the pocket, didn't it bumming it. But 211 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,599 as it was going I could see sort of see like the shine, but 212 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:29,039 I couldn't see image. But I will lay down, Oh I'm wet, 213 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:33,519 back up and I didn't think but hers and I saw this reflection and it 214 00:20:33,599 --> 00:20:44,880 was very strange, unbelievable on site, which you never believe. And as 215 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:52,599 you know, like can magnify things and and do things. But I had 216 00:20:52,640 --> 00:21:00,079 splosh, blush blush. Something was walking towards me. But then as I 217 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,039 could see, I could see that the shadow and the ship of the image, 218 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:10,279 it was like a balloon like whether we've got longth or random as you 219 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,960 call it whatever. But the monkey family were the ones that's got the long 220 00:21:14,519 --> 00:21:18,480 arms and got the back that goes down like must the back and goes up 221 00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:23,279 just like that, and walking the wards and then coming forwards. But it 222 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:29,079 was cold, very very cold, and I thought or games over field side, 223 00:21:29,279 --> 00:21:41,160 games overside, you know, and this monstrous this I don't know what 224 00:21:41,279 --> 00:21:48,279 it was, both monstrous bare, I don't know. This was just like 225 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:56,359 wow, and I know you got close, it got very close, very 226 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:03,000 very close to me. And I remember it was so cold as it sniffed 227 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:10,759 and snorted like a like a really black a wet nose, like a wet 228 00:22:10,799 --> 00:22:22,839 nose going. But listening to the show previous, I know that it definitely 229 00:22:23,319 --> 00:22:27,160 has got to have been a dog man because for the simple reason this is 230 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:33,440 the worst part, this is the part that make hurts me that as it 231 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:40,559 was going and going close to me, very very close, and my app 232 00:22:40,799 --> 00:22:47,160 was racing, it was pulping. It was proper, proper, proper racing 233 00:22:47,319 --> 00:22:57,359 so much that I couldn't I couldn't really breathe, and it was I refine 234 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:07,200 to see something that you think is fictional, and at the time you don't 235 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,200 think that way. At the time, you think, on my days, 236 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:23,119 this is my time, I'm gone. But then it got bad. The 237 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:33,880 dogs started yelping back in as it turns, it says, it leaps up 238 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:41,720 the ill and got up, oh within about two seconds strip and it was 239 00:23:41,839 --> 00:23:51,039 quite steep, and unfortunately I never saw that dog again, which is very 240 00:23:51,119 --> 00:24:00,880 hurtful. But as it got up in the swampy horrible step bench um, 241 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,319 I turned around and I tried to climb back up the hill. But we've 242 00:24:07,319 --> 00:24:11,680 been slipping down, slipping down, and so I found some like, well, 243 00:24:11,799 --> 00:24:17,440 no, I didn't find someone just growing reads or weeds out of the 244 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,880 thing. So so I'll grab them and I pulled myself back up and I 245 00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:27,599 got myself back home. And after that it really affected me in a big 246 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:34,200 way that I want to talk to people. For a good ten days I 247 00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:41,559 won't. I was like in shock, like, what the heck has just 248 00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:45,559 did? I see what the heck has just happened? What has happened to 249 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:53,359 me? That made me really really down. I'm really shocked. But I 250 00:24:53,480 --> 00:25:03,119 come back around and I'm okay now. But having since to Dougman encounters, 251 00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:10,480 which like I said earlier, it's men, we realized that to come forward 252 00:25:10,839 --> 00:25:15,079 because at the time you think, yes, okay, I'm going to come 253 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,200 forward, I'm going to tell people the story. But I was going to 254 00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:25,559 believe you over here and you okay, you're underpinning the house. If you 255 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,200 said I've seen a dog man where wolf, they say, okay, since 256 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,960 you're the next psychiatrist. So somethings you keep secret, and something you don't 257 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,160 tell anyone, like to the stay thing, to the reality that I experience 258 00:25:38,279 --> 00:25:41,880 that, and but you don't tell anyone because you knew if you tell people 259 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:47,640 that they wouldn't believe you, they wouldn't believe you. I would look it 260 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,720 and say, oh yeah, yeah, talk to the next person and say 261 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:56,720 I think that I'm worried about the fit the same wolves something, So you've 262 00:25:56,759 --> 00:26:00,200 got to keep it yourself. But then after listening experience, like I said 263 00:26:00,519 --> 00:26:04,960 Sister Plason a night, I was sort other people saying this and I thought, 264 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,240 well, I'm not the only one. I'm not the only one that's 265 00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:12,640 had this encounter. I'm not the only one that's out of this experience. 266 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:21,440 And it made me come forward to contact you, Vic and at the same 267 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:29,119 time put my experience out there with the other people that have shared similar experiences, 268 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:34,319 because every experience helps. If you are genuine and it has happened to 269 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:40,079 you and that you can forward, then it really helps you. It settles 270 00:26:40,079 --> 00:26:45,920 your mind knowing that you're not the only one that's seen and experience these Maybe 271 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,920 I don't know how to explain monsters, wolves, Well, I don't know, 272 00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:57,920 but I think these are creatures that like to scare. I think they 273 00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:03,759 get adrenaline and on your fear. But I think they're intelligent, just like 274 00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:11,279 those they know not to hurt a human being. I think obviously these areas 275 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:17,319 like where the year will go, or or cow or different animals. Yes, 276 00:27:18,599 --> 00:27:22,400 I agree, wouldn't you as you were starving? But I think these 277 00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:27,880 the animals to those a'mless the human race. That's what I think. But 278 00:27:29,079 --> 00:27:36,759 the time when you encounter them, you feel okay, game over, You're 279 00:27:36,759 --> 00:27:41,119 like, God, I'm sorry, we've heard anything wrong. This is my 280 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,480 time. But then Belivia, but the scay in that way, but it's 281 00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:48,680 like the thrive when your fear, and I think that's what these criptures do, 282 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:56,359 the thrive when you fear. Example, if these creatures one of us 283 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,599 are called one of us, it'll be all of it news wanted to be. 284 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,720 This person's being attacked by a wolf, and this a bit hunted down 285 00:28:06,839 --> 00:28:14,119 all these creatures and the bit tracked down. But by looking this an intelligence, 286 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,599 there isn't that deer, and there's animals and it's all right, it 287 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,279 must be a local fox, or it must be a local chaote. Oh, 288 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,720 it must be a local this. But no, but these creatures are 289 00:28:25,839 --> 00:28:32,440 very intelligent. But it's only by speaking to Vic on this conversation that explained 290 00:28:32,519 --> 00:28:38,079 that the seven words, the seven was that meaning they never hurt you, 291 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,279 you know, but they could have done. That's what basically meant and that 292 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:48,480 sort of helped me and it helps me on my way with my anxiety and 293 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:55,440 else get closure that this did happen and I wasn't imagine things and now I'm 294 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,480 moving on the next track. That's right, you weren't imagining what happened, 295 00:28:59,519 --> 00:29:03,559 and I'm to hear that you're moving on. When you and your uncle heard 296 00:29:03,559 --> 00:29:10,000 that growl, what did you think it was? Well, at the time, 297 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,880 when you hear this, you think, first of all, you think 298 00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:17,880 your mind goes in like if you hear a cat me I win, a 299 00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:22,200 hear dug back, you recognize the sound. You recognize it. If you 300 00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:27,319 hear a crowl going or a normal sparrow or a blue to you recognize the 301 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:32,319 sound. But when you don't recognize the sound, your brain sort of goes 302 00:29:32,359 --> 00:29:37,039 into a different mode, where whatever is that? And that's when your sense 303 00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:44,000 a fear because you're hearing noise that you do not you've never come across. 304 00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:47,960 So it's kind of your brain goes in gear like what's that? So you're 305 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,480 sort of going planet mode, and that's what happens yeah. Yeah, when 306 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,720 you have experiences like that, your brain pretty much runs out of your ears, 307 00:29:56,839 --> 00:30:00,920 and yeah, you just lose your ability to rationalize through things. But 308 00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:06,160 considering, especially talking about that second encounter you had, how traumatic your experiences 309 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,480 were, I think you deserve a lot of credit. I think he handled 310 00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:14,079 those very well. Did it sound like that growl was directed you were? 311 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:19,359 Did it sound like it was directed in a different direction from you? I'm 312 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,319 not sure. How, Like I said, I never heard that kind of 313 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:32,160 noise before, and it's upset me into panic. But at the same time, 314 00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:38,279 why did it here the footsteps? Why did it here the noise and 315 00:30:38,599 --> 00:30:42,160 well directed to me? I'm not sure, but it was it was. 316 00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:48,319 It was really really scary. And I'm not scared of many things, honestly. 317 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:53,400 I used have snakes, and he used to have middlettle reptails, and 318 00:30:53,440 --> 00:31:00,640 I used to do various fins. You know, I've gotten fields with cows 319 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,519 and feeding when they'll stampede and awards you because you're putting handle and then then 320 00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:10,799 they'll stop. I'm not scared of nature many things, but when you experience 321 00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:15,200 and you hear something quite like I did, it's kind of disturbing, really 322 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:21,839 really disturbing. Oh, definitely, it is. When you heard those footsteps 323 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,759 after hearing that roar, did it sound like they were coming towards you, 324 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,880 Yes, because it wasn't just you heard the footsteps. But at the same 325 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:36,160 time I know it was coming towards me because I heard the breathing and there 326 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:41,000 was nothing there, but you'd hear the breathing behind you, and like the 327 00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:45,279 starting but then we're turning up, there's nothing there, but you'd hear something 328 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:51,240 walking heavy towards you. It was. It was awful, awful, But 329 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:56,960 then obviously when I think what it was doing, I'm not sure, but 330 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:02,720 then a logical explanations. It was shimmering from tree to tree, or jumping 331 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,799 from tree to tree, or maybe it was eye up I don't know. 332 00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:09,799 But how I could hear that just like it was, it was like it 333 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:15,480 was just behind back of me here I could noise and but it's nothing, 334 00:32:16,039 --> 00:32:20,319 nothing, nothing at all, And that was you know, I went until 335 00:32:21,599 --> 00:32:24,240 like I said, when I walked towards coming out at the back of the 336 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:30,160 street, lay and I saw the reflection of the eyes. Speaking of the 337 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,319 eyes that you saw reflecting, what color was the eyes shining? How high 338 00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:39,200 off the ground. Were those eyes when they say eyes, yes, there 339 00:32:39,319 --> 00:32:45,640 was eyes. When you say color, I cannot tell you what color because 340 00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:51,880 obviously all you're seeing it's like imagine in the motorway. And then when you 341 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,319 like to going down you see as cats. It were like as a sweep. 342 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:59,039 So I don't know, I don't know if there was. It's very 343 00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:04,720 Alana was a sort of reflection, but quite so. Yes, yes, 344 00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:09,200 I had to say, because I was on the il going hope out of 345 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:15,279 the pack and as going down the elb the tree that I saw with a 346 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:22,440 light under reflection, it was to say, very very so, very so. 347 00:33:23,759 --> 00:33:28,160 Yeah. You can't be faulted for not knowing exactly what color those eyes 348 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,200 were and exactly how high they were off the ground. You were so rattled 349 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:36,279 and had so many thoughts going on in your head. Pretty much anyone would 350 00:33:36,279 --> 00:33:38,480 be shaken to the point where they'd be doing good to know their own name. 351 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:44,920 So I totally understand you said that your uncle hasn't been right since the 352 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:51,039 two of you had that experience at night. To what extent though where it 353 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,960 were is it's got a couple of cuts. So if they sat out him 354 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:04,000 of character, his bands or hears in it, noise or anything that might 355 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,440 upset him. He don't like going out anymore because he win denial. That 356 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:16,119 is sorry, and it would just scared so for him to say that was 357 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:22,039 quite as big as he would never say that never. But yeah, it's 358 00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:28,280 really affected him, really affected him that even when it's like dark Knights or 359 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,360 anything that I have to God, it was shopping for him at the supermarket. 360 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:37,920 If it comes across people with like big dogs like Alsatians or German shepherds 361 00:34:38,039 --> 00:34:45,400 or anything big, it shimmers away and it's like shaking. It just doesn't 362 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:51,840 like anything is when it comes to TV and it's his advertisements, and no, 363 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,880 he can't handle it anymore. He really affected him, even though that 364 00:34:55,079 --> 00:35:00,920 night he acted the way he did and acted like nothing was bothering him inside, 365 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,559 it was colin him, you know. So yeah, wow, I'm 366 00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:07,480 really sorry to hear it affected him like that. I hope in time he 367 00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:10,719 learns to deal with it. But sounds like he has some work to do. 368 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,519 And if he's ever up for a good conversation with me, please let 369 00:35:15,559 --> 00:35:17,840 him know I'd be more than happy to try to help. Oh yes, 370 00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:23,280 I'm sure that if I spake to him and tell him obviously something that I've 371 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:28,480 spoke, you know, we've had the interview, and to come forward and 372 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,320 you might help him with how it affected him. Then Yeah, and it'd 373 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:37,719 also big up because it counted what I'm saying, So it would be like 374 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,000 a double story. So what experience, what experience? And yeah, that 375 00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:45,880 would be very interesting. Yeah, please do let him know because, like 376 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,679 I said, I'd love to be able to help. How big was that 377 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,719 woods you're cutting through where you had that second encounter Simon? And were there 378 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:58,840 any streams or creeks running through it? Oh? Quite long words, look 379 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:04,199 o for quite a few miles on. It leads out all way from probably 380 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,960 test goes an Malifax road. It leads all the way right up to near 381 00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:15,119 Halifax, and it leads to a place in Station Roads, like I said, 382 00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:20,480 with the second accounter with Runney, but then it goes all way on. 383 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,280 So the delemma of the woods, it's probably I don't know, maybe 384 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:30,920 eight miles in total in the square figure. There's very very big woods. 385 00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:36,519 The streams that run down it, there's history in these woods, there's pegs 386 00:36:36,519 --> 00:36:39,800 and all sorts of things happening. It's quite quite a long woods, you 387 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,559 know. But it depends on which way you cut through it, because the 388 00:36:43,639 --> 00:36:46,760 way I cut through it goes from Norwad's Greenland Station Road and it goes through 389 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:52,000 to the woodside, which isn't quite a long walk. But it depends on 390 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,920 which Delema, you're going, Wow, that is a big woods. When 391 00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,199 you heard those footsteps splashing towards you did your thought instantly go back to the 392 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:05,840 night when you and her uncle heard that roar. It didn't cross some minds 393 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,119 because at the first I'll think of it as a pain, the pain of 394 00:37:08,199 --> 00:37:15,079 my uncle. Um. But then I just as I slipped down and as 395 00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:20,559 like being shocked. You know, you're blah blah down like a rarely muddy 396 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,440 slide deal, and then you then out in the first minute, she's a 397 00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:30,039 pain. So I'm looking thinking I've brought my uncle and I'm sort of feeling 398 00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:34,599 around. So it wasn't, um, I'm sitting down ill, is there 399 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,960 something unnatural waiting for me? No, that wasn't the first. In short, 400 00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:43,360 fat, it was when I sat feeling and I realized that something was 401 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,119 happening that kind of hit me. Oh no, I understand. I'm sure 402 00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:51,000 you had so many things going through your mind at the time. Then you 403 00:37:51,039 --> 00:37:53,159 were having a hard time knowing which way was up, So I get it. 404 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,840 You described his head as looking similar to a bad boons. What kind 405 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,960 of leg structure did it though? When this is the heads similar to a 406 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,480 ba bons? I mean like the arms you're like where you get around the 407 00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:10,960 hands or I'm not sure which one, but the ones that I've got the 408 00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:19,760 rale on hams and like the legs but rail on hams, like and the 409 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,159 back goes down like a really tourned back and the bumb goes up and like 410 00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:29,559 that's torn legs. Yeah, they did have leg structures like a human or 411 00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:32,639 an aport. Did they have leg structure like a dog or a horse or 412 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,360 a cat similar to us and a dog, I'd say, I'd like the 413 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:42,519 muscle of an ass, but the thin leg of a dog. I see. 414 00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:46,280 So instead of having ankles and knees, it had hawks and stifled joints, 415 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,760 just like a horse or a dog would have. Yeah, so i'd 416 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,239 like the thigh of the horse. But then as it went backwards, it 417 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,480 was just like, yeah, like a dog where it bent still at the 418 00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:02,679 bend so it could at yourself to stand so I see, so it was 419 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:07,199 a kenine type dog. And then you shut down for a period after you 420 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:12,239 had that experience. You said that you're fine now, but it sounds to 421 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,400 me like you're still at least partially compromised from it. Is that an accurate 422 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:22,719 assessment, of course, to be not alone, but to be in a 423 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:29,599 society. Imagine if you were to go to somebody and the neighbors, how 424 00:39:29,639 --> 00:39:34,000 are you today, Simon, and you'll say, oh, last night, 425 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:39,840 I'm sure so this werewolf, that creature that did this, that other The 426 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:45,280 first spin i'd think, or the first bin there would actually say is huh, 427 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,760 you need to see a doctor. Even if they do not say it, 428 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,199 they still think it because don't believe it. But if they're been through 429 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:59,079 it and their doctor my done, say h Simon, you're right, Oh 430 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:04,239 so well, I think she's see a doctor. There's no such thing, 431 00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:07,760 no su visions with vampires, there's no other things, were wolves, there's 432 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:14,880 noose the things, all these fictional creatures. But then seat yourself see it. 433 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:20,599 First, stand and say to somebody I've seen that. They won't believe, 434 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,280 so why would you come forward and tell people? But you do, 435 00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:30,280 And that's what makes things worse because you hold it inside, and when you 436 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,800 hold it inside, you're hurting yourself. But no one has to believe you. 437 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:39,360 But when you hear other people that's been for the same encounters, the 438 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:45,760 same terrifying events, then you open up. And by me doing this, 439 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:52,639 its helps me. It helps me relax because I know that I'm not alone. 440 00:40:52,159 --> 00:41:00,400 I know it wasn't my mental health. I know it wasn't being raiser. 441 00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:07,280 I know there's other people that has experienced what I experienced so much so 442 00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:12,760 at the time I went on anti the presence because I was closing down, 443 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,400 not telling people because I was going to believe that I saw what I actually 444 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:22,559 saw. So, yeah, it affects me in ways where I wouldn't go 445 00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:28,559 in woods. I'd always go the long way around. Whenever I had a 446 00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:32,480 noise or even a common crow a top of bagain, it had met me 447 00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:39,119 jump. Yeah, it has affected me, yes, But speaking like I 448 00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:47,760 said my conversation with Vic, it's true that these animals, these whatever words 449 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:52,760 you want to describe them as, I've never ever hurt anyone because if they 450 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:58,960 did, we won't all be here to tell a story. So these thrive 451 00:41:59,159 --> 00:42:02,960 un scaring you and these are very clever creatures that know that if you come 452 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,360 forwards that I'm from and tell the story, that was good to believe you. 453 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:14,639 So yeah, so it's very good that that's what's happened. And I 454 00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:17,239 heard it and I thought, you know what I'm going to sell? And 455 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:24,320 this has got really lifted off my chest because and now I'm not alone and 456 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:31,800 another everyone that's listening was listening, we'll understand exactly. I'm so glad you 457 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,719 do know that fact that so many people here listening to you talk about these 458 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,960 experiences, they do understand what you've gone through. They didn't experience your encounters, 459 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,639 but they're sympathetic and they know you're not full of it. So I'm 460 00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:49,920 glad that helps. Talking about that, though, has it been almost as 461 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,920 difficult for you to deal with the responses you've gotten from family and friends when 462 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:58,440 you've tried to share your experiences with them as it's been dealing with your encounters. 463 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,519 From listening to what you said about sharing your experiences with other people, 464 00:43:01,559 --> 00:43:06,320 it sounds like they just might be the keys. No. When I said 465 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,039 to shame experiences, I mean I want to share experience. By what I've 466 00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:15,159 told you, I wanted to experience to help all those other people that's experienced 467 00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:20,840 the same, to show that we're not meant to win up crazy. We're 468 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,400 not in alone. Have been, we have experiences, and we did see 469 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:30,239 this. When I say other people, I don't mean family and friends have 470 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,519 told I mean the people that I'm hopping you know, to help, Like 471 00:43:34,639 --> 00:43:37,320 thissappointing for you show ant. You tell your experience. You do, you 472 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:45,599 tell the truth, and it helps others understand and experience and realize why a 473 00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:49,480 lot of people think I don't see this, and you mind blanks it. 474 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,079 And when you mind blanks it, you think and all it is is like 475 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:59,559 example, if you saw a ghost and you throw a cover of yourself, 476 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,039 like people think the present tablates, it's putting a blanket over here. But 477 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,920 the ghosts will never go away until you set the cover off and face the 478 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:14,000 ghost face on and say listen, I've had enough. Then you'll never move 479 00:44:14,039 --> 00:44:19,320 forward. So I've took that first step to move forwards and contact you, 480 00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:23,079 and that's how it went. Well. It goes without saying I'm so glad 481 00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:27,840 you did contact me. What's about time for us to get out of your 482 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,880 assignment. But before we do, do you have any closing comments you'd like 483 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:38,719 to share? Yeah, this was tefing experience. These animals, creatures, 484 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:44,440 beasts or whatever you would like to call them. I don't believe that out 485 00:44:44,519 --> 00:44:49,119 to hurt you, and why is all of these people won't be able to 486 00:44:49,159 --> 00:44:53,760 tell the tale. But I believe they're very highly intelligent. I think they 487 00:44:53,840 --> 00:45:00,880 get pleasure out of fear, so when they know you're scared, they'll play 488 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,920 on it. There's like a nart a dog. I also believe that they've 489 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:09,199 been here for a lot of years after experience him, but experienced, I 490 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:19,000 believe they should be left alone. And I believe that talking to Vic has 491 00:45:19,039 --> 00:45:23,719 helped me with my anxiety and to experience and talk to all those other people 492 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:30,280 that's been through the same experiences and terrifying experiences that I was one of. 493 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:36,159 Thank you all for coming forward because by you alcoming forward as Reel helps me. 494 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,039 On that note, Thank you, I'm so glad you realize that you're 495 00:45:40,039 --> 00:45:45,440 amongst friends here in you're not going to be judged negatively, so that's a 496 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,960 great thing. But having said that, Simon, I want to thank you 497 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,360 so much for coming on and sharing the details of those experiences with US, 498 00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:58,199 I really appreciate it. Thank you, You're welcome. Thanks again so much, 499 00:45:58,840 --> 00:45:59,599 have a great night.