WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:03.919 Hey, it's Bob Pickett. We're on our way to the legendary Broken Spoke. 2 00:00:04.040 --> 00:00:20.199 Come on, let's get out the truck and head inside. Come on, 3 00:00:20.440 --> 00:00:24.160 let's go inside, getting ready for another tale from the Broken Spoke. 4 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:27.800 Welcome back. We're in me too. It's time for another great tale, 5 00:00:27.800 --> 00:00:30.399 in fact, more great stories. Tell us the Broken Spoke on. Bob 6 00:00:30.399 --> 00:00:33.479 Pickett, my co host and best friend. Right here, mister Wannie Warden, 7 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:37.479 and we are we are. We are joined by a rock and roll 8 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:41.200 Hall of Famer. No, is that crazy? Yeah? Austinite. Yeah. 9 00:00:41.399 --> 00:00:46.359 Kathy Valentine's with us right now. Welcome. It's the book is great. 10 00:00:46.399 --> 00:00:49.520 The book is called All Everyone, and you share a lot of stories. 11 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:53.359 You mentioned, you know, sitting in and showing up on stage for 12 00:00:53.439 --> 00:00:57.920 Doug. You also talk about Chuck Berry influencing You talk about the stones and 13 00:00:57.960 --> 00:01:02.520 stuff. What a cool life. And we were talking earlier. There's got 14 00:01:02.520 --> 00:01:03.959 to be a sequel to this. There's got to be. Yeah. I 15 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:08.959 mean, this book the one thing I was asked to do. The University 16 00:01:08.959 --> 00:01:14.760 of Texas Press offered me a book deal. I had the best situation that 17 00:01:14.840 --> 00:01:19.879 any writer could dream of, and that I sat down to write every day 18 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:23.760 knowing that it was going to get published and be read. Was it therapeutic? 19 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:27.280 Were you afraid marry? It's the cheapest, most intense therapy ever to 20 00:01:27.319 --> 00:01:30.480 write a memoir. I highly recommend it if you need to work through some 21 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:37.319 ship. But the main thing is that I knew it was going to get 22 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:42.280 published. It's it's hard to write and to avoid without knowing. A song 23 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:46.959 is different because you can sit there by yourself and play your song and be 24 00:01:47.200 --> 00:01:51.640 just happy as can be. But writing is different. You're really giving and 25 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:56.120 it's it's not that different because you are giving a part of yourself away in 26 00:01:56.159 --> 00:02:00.000 a song. But you can entertain yourself. You can't really entertain yourself reading 27 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:06.680 your own book. Are you now take your solo and really, you know, 28 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:08.719 like with your song, you can write your song and you don't really 29 00:02:08.919 --> 00:02:13.680 have to play it on the stage and you don't have to record it. 30 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:16.319 You can just play that song every day and be pretty happy with yourself. 31 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:21.400 Wow. But you can't do that with a book. So anyway, um 32 00:02:21.680 --> 00:02:24.000 this, when I sat down and had to write an outline, I saw 33 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:30.199 real clearly that there was a story arc that started around the age of eleven 34 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:37.680 that had a natural character at me, growth and change that ended around age 35 00:02:37.719 --> 00:02:40.840 thirty. So that's when the book ends with a little epilogue. Like I 36 00:02:40.879 --> 00:02:45.840 said, it isn't too soon because yeah, I would like to write a 37 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:47.639 sequel. Now, I would like to get a book deal before I write 38 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:51.879 it, so I have that same situation where I'm not writing into the void, 39 00:02:51.919 --> 00:02:53.879 but I might have to do it the hard way. Well, and 40 00:02:54.240 --> 00:03:00.240 just because you know, I was one of the you know, prer the 41 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:02.039 book of course and first in line and all this stuff. But if somebody 42 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:07.120 wants to get it, announce it's Kathy Valentine's all I ever wanted. Where 43 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:09.560 would you recommend somebody going to order the book as soon as they listen to 44 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:15.080 our show? Well, I like to support indie bookstores, but I'm I'm 45 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:17.719 fine if they wanted to get it from Amazon too, but I always try 46 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:22.680 to support a local business first. You might have to ask them to order 47 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:25.199 it. Because thank you for discussing the book right now. It came out 48 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:29.919 April first, twenty twenty, and what was going on then? That was 49 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:35.120 just right when the global pandemic was announced. So the eight weeks when a 50 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:38.840 book comes out is really that's the window where you get your press and your 51 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:44.960 reviews and you hit you go out and do book tours and appearances. So 52 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:49.879 I couldn't do any of that, and it did really well considering, but 53 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:53.639 it's nice that I still get the chance to do some of the stuff now 54 00:03:53.719 --> 00:03:57.919 that I missed out on well. And also it's like one of those things, 55 00:03:57.919 --> 00:04:02.319 it's like until somebody here's it, you don't have any old songs, 56 00:04:02.759 --> 00:04:08.199 you know, and then anybody listening now maybe they've just now heard of the 57 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:12.080 book, and the book's brand new. The stories are timeless. It's it's 58 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:15.120 your memoir, so it's a specific time and a place so that it will 59 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:17.720 never be dated because this is this is your story. Have a long shelf 60 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:19.879 life. Yeah, and you think you're too honest though, and some of 61 00:04:19.920 --> 00:04:23.720 the chapters, I mean that had to be can't be too long. There's 62 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:27.279 stuff about me I don't want people to know. And you stripped down a 63 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:32.079 lot of layers for the book. Yeah. I feel like, um all 64 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:36.519 I was concerned about when I wrote it was was it well written? And 65 00:04:38.519 --> 00:04:42.319 was was my deadline? Was I on time? That's was my two things? 66 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:46.560 Is it well written and it wasn't until I actually finished it and it 67 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:54.240 was going to be published that I was like, oh, oh, everyone's 68 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:58.199 going to read this thing and read all the stuff I wrote. Oh um, 69 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:04.399 But I think there's not a way to to be um reliable as a 70 00:05:04.519 --> 00:05:11.920 narrator if you're not honest. I mean, you know, it's you are. 71 00:05:11.959 --> 00:05:17.600 You were first generation American punk, So you can't really do that and 72 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:25.040 compromise what you're gonna tell about your story. It's all about truth and honesty, 73 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:29.199 and and there was you know, I don't like the phrase brutal honesty. 74 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:30.879 I don't think you're being brutal. I think you're either being brutal or 75 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:35.199 you're being honest. But whatever, brutality towards the honesty, it's just towards 76 00:05:35.240 --> 00:05:40.600 yourself. Yeah, you know, and I know I tried to not tell 77 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:44.040 anyone else's story, right, Yeah, you told your story. Yeah what 78 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:46.639 about You're just beautiful reading it? Were you? I mean, was that 79 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:50.759 tough? Well? She hasn't. Actually she's read parts of it. I 80 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:56.279 mean she was pretty young when I started it, because I started twenty sixteen, 81 00:05:56.920 --> 00:06:00.199 so she would have been around fourteen, And she overheard me talk think 82 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:03.399 about a certain part. And she was appalled and said, I heard you 83 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:08.480 talking and that doesn't happen, and you can't put that, you can't write 84 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:14.439 that, And and I just said, you know, let's see how you 85 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:16.920 feel in a few years, you know. And why would anyone want to 86 00:06:16.959 --> 00:06:20.160 do this? That's what she said. Why would anybody want to write a 87 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:26.879 memoir? Yeah? And I had to go well, and that actually became 88 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:30.040 part of my introduction, was her asking me that. And I was like, 89 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:39.279 well, a lot of people, it gives them hope and makes them 90 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:45.839 feel like if somebody can mess up and make mistakes and do things that they 91 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:51.240 are ashamed of and yet still go on and be loved and have relationships and 92 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:56.680 a family and a career, that can do a lot of healing for somebody, 93 00:06:56.879 --> 00:07:00.800 that can heal someone else. So it's a way. It's being of 94 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:02.839 service, not ever, And I said, not everyone can write a memoir. 95 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:08.920 Yours would be boring, right. I think it takes but it takes 96 00:07:08.920 --> 00:07:13.199 time. But I mean by yours, I meant hers. Because she was 97 00:07:13.199 --> 00:07:15.360 a fourteen year old kid with a well adjusted life. Well, I mean 98 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:18.279 that was a whole thing. I didn't have that. No, you know, 99 00:07:18.319 --> 00:07:21.639 because brainy and I. Our son Brooks is nineteen, and you know, 100 00:07:21.639 --> 00:07:25.079 and I and I talked to him about you know, I was raised 101 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:29.240 by not only wolves, but kind of cruel wolves. You know, I 102 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:31.279 go with you know, I started, you know, I started a I 103 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:33.720 guess I'd moved in with my first check when I was fifteen, you know. 104 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:35.839 And I'm telling him, you know, an eyes, his eyes, 105 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:39.759 just go, Daddy, that you were a kid. I went, well, 106 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:42.399 you were a kid at fifteen, you know. But it was just 107 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:44.839 different. It was thanks for different. It was like, you need to 108 00:07:44.839 --> 00:07:47.879 write a book. Oh yeah, it sounds I'm getting interested already. I 109 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:53.319 want to hear about Well, it's this young man from West Austin became a 110 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:56.480 big Go Ghost fan and wanted to write a bunch of songs. A lot 111 00:07:56.519 --> 00:07:59.680 of a lot of my book was about my relationship with my mom. And 112 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:03.720 it took me a long time to come to terms with my relationship. And 113 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:07.399 it was a very healing thing because I had a lot of resentment towards my 114 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:11.920 mom. She didn't parent me, she didn't give me guidance. And when 115 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:16.160 I became a mom, it became really clear to me. And but writing 116 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:24.240 the book was very healing because it made me realize that she might have dropped 117 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:28.000 the ball in a lot of places. But I always felt loved and I 118 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:33.519 always felt supported. And I know people that had the most traditional, you 119 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:39.360 know, leave it to beaver or whatever family, and yet they didn't feel 120 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:43.360 loved, right. I didn't feel if they had said to their mom, 121 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:46.279 hey, I want to play guitar and start a rock and roll band, 122 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:48.600 they would have gotten laughed at. And I didn't have that. But I 123 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:54.120 think your mom gave you the drive, and that was writing the book gave 124 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:58.519 me a whole new lens to see her and to see my relationship, and 125 00:08:58.600 --> 00:09:03.240 it was incredibly valuable. And even in the book, I would say to 126 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:05.600 her mom, I'm going to write about this. I'm gonna write about when 127 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:09.360 you did that. Is that okay with you? Because I don't have to 128 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:13.879 I can leave it out because my mom did some crazy stuff. And she'd 129 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:16.720 be like, no, this is your story. You write what you want 130 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:20.679 to write. And I was like, that's support. Yeah. Well, 131 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:24.120 and it was either in the book or it was either it might have been 132 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:28.080 shortly after your mother passed and she's been going about a year. Yeah. 133 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:31.679 June June twenty nine, so sorry and something else that Kathy has going. 134 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:39.039 I highly recommend everybody, and it is available. There's free and then there's 135 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:45.759 also subscribers, but Kathy uh is on the sub stack. It's a writing 136 00:09:45.799 --> 00:09:50.840 platform that a lot of writers fantastics to get their writing out to an audience. 137 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:54.919 And you're sure, thank you, thank you so much. I love 138 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:58.519 it. Um. I don't want it to get in the way of writing 139 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:01.080 a book, because they do take a lot of effort and commitment and time. 140 00:10:01.519 --> 00:10:05.039 But it's been good for me. It's made me more accountable and like 141 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:09.840 it's me. It's kept me writing, which if you're a writer, just 142 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:13.200 like if you're a songwriter, if you're a musician, artist, you got 143 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:18.039 to keep doing it. You you had said one of those things where you 144 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:22.759 said a lot better than this, But that is when when you realize that 145 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:26.519 your mom just even though it might have been awful, not your words, 146 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:31.440 but she always did the best she could. And that's such a I was 147 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:33.600 like, yeah, wow, if you if you use all the tools in 148 00:10:33.639 --> 00:10:35.919 your tool chest, but your tools, you know, it's a sack of 149 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:39.240 balloons, but you do the best you can. And what a what a 150 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:43.480 great healing thing for other people to read. But yeah, it is a 151 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:48.480 substack dot com is it just Yeah, it's just Kathy Valentine's substack. And 152 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:54.080 I know Michael the first uh local cat, Michael Calchrane's on there and I 153 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:56.720 can't wait for you turned me on to substack. Yeah, yeah, it's 154 00:10:56.759 --> 00:11:00.720 a lot of writers are using it. Yeah, and I love yours, 155 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:05.039 Thank you so much. I'm enjoying doing it, and it is free to 156 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:09.080 subscribe. I don't withhold, and I take readers along what it's like to 157 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:11.759 write a song. You know, I started a song and like, here's 158 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:16.840 how I got the chords, Here's how I got the lyrics, Here's okay, 159 00:11:16.840 --> 00:11:18.960 now I'm going to figure out the tempo. I'm going to do a 160 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:22.879 click track. And they love that. People love when you pull the curtain 161 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:26.879 back and stuff. But with the parents, I mean, I think I 162 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:30.480 think people you know, and it doesn't just have to be parental. It 163 00:11:30.519 --> 00:11:35.039 can be in a relationship. Is so many of us keep going to the 164 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:41.879 person expecting something that they can't give, and you're you set yourself up over 165 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:48.360 and over to be disappointed and let down, going back and to get to 166 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:52.519 a place where you realize that a person's capabilities might not be like maybe just 167 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:56.840 like even in my book, I said to my mom, like, what 168 00:11:56.879 --> 00:12:01.240 were you thinking? What were you thinking? Back then? I could have 169 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:05.279 been putting foster care, you could have gone to jail. I could have 170 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:09.720 been completely without a parent. What were you thinking? And she was sitting 171 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:13.360 there and I'm fifty seven years old, and she's going, oh, I 172 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:16.240 was scared, but she didn't admit that until then to you asked her, 173 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:20.000 Yeah, but it's still like I'm like, so you were scared, but 174 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:26.360 you didn't you didn't stop. You still did it. And I realized at 175 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:28.840 that moment, I'm like, what am I doing. I'm wanting her to 176 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:33.639 go. I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry, and she just couldn't. 177 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:39.919 And it was this realization like, don't keep going to someone wanting them to 178 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:43.679 give you something if they're not going to do it, you know, just 179 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:48.559 see what they can give. But I think that all I think, all 180 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:52.879 three of us are parents. I've got a twenty year old son. Yeah, 181 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:58.159 his birthday was but but our eyes don't really open up until we become 182 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:01.440 a parent. And suddenly we realized the responsibility and how we've got to guide 183 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:05.279 that child. So and that's what I wanted in the book too. How 184 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:09.399 much becoming a mother changed your life and influenced you even more, that's to 185 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:13.120 me that that's that's a great story that I would love to hear. Yeah, 186 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:16.639 well, I think like you're since we're all parents, we all know 187 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:24.600 that number one. You know it's I had. I was always like not 188 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:28.720 very nurturing of a person. I was a tough cookie. I was just 189 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:31.240 like, you know, you got a problem, take care of it, 190 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:37.519 damn it, you know, just like I just wasn't. I was harsh. 191 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:43.840 I was like a hard and I think becoming a parent made me soft 192 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:48.639 and made me open and made me nurturing and compassionate. It made me such 193 00:13:48.679 --> 00:13:52.840 a better It's made me who I am, Right, it's who I was. 194 00:13:54.519 --> 00:14:00.799 But I had built up so many that's how to me weakness, vulnerability 195 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:03.759 and needing help or any It just felt weak. And if you're weak, 196 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:09.200 you're like an injured animal that's going to get eaten. So you always act 197 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:13.919 strong. You always be that. And that's all tied into the drinking and 198 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:20.279 the addiction and the fronting. So getting sober was a big step, but 199 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:26.879 becoming a mom finished the job off where I could be who I really am, 200 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:31.720 you know, and I love that I love and and plus just not 201 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:37.039 knowing what it kind of love your you're capable of. I think so much 202 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:41.720 of it is, you know, particularly when you have all of our jobs, 203 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:46.000 you know, with so much focus on self. Is you know I'm 204 00:14:46.039 --> 00:14:48.799 doing this? What is what are people going to think about me? What 205 00:14:48.840 --> 00:14:52.279 does my new song sound like? What is how well is my record doing? 206 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:54.679 And then you then you have a young and it's just like, oh, 207 00:14:54.720 --> 00:15:00.120 there's something so much bigger than I am. And I think that that's 208 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:03.679 how God gets in our lives. You know. I got sober when Brooks 209 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:09.320 was nine months old, so he doesn't know a dad strung out, you 210 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:13.840 know, he just knows sober me. And where you're able to let go 211 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:18.679 of so much self and then through the gift of parenting, where you go 212 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:24.240 there is something so much bigger than anything I would want. I just want 213 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:26.960 my child to be safe and happy. And it's scary too. It's scary 214 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:31.759 to love that much because you know the thought will creep in your mind, 215 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:35.360 what would I do if something happened? Right? You know? And you 216 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:41.919 know that people tragedies do happen, and people do and it's it's it's so 217 00:15:41.360 --> 00:15:46.960 terrifying, you know, to love completely as also the other side of it 218 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:52.240 is the terror of having it taken away from you, and that just kind 219 00:15:52.279 --> 00:15:54.840 of puts you right in the moment where you just have to be present and 220 00:15:54.919 --> 00:16:02.279 grateful, which is being you know, living and God's light or however you 221 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:07.720 want to look at it or think of it. That that being in present 222 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:11.720 and the moment and grateful that's set. Yeah, humility of knowing that you 223 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:15.759 don't have to you don't get to say, you don't get to decide, 224 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:17.720 well, that just so great. Well, I think one of the main 225 00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:26.080 things about parenthood is it's one of the greatest vehicles to present as as sometimes 226 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:30.240 it's said in the Twelve Steps, you know, to to no humility, 227 00:16:30.320 --> 00:16:33.919 with no humiliation, and that's what parenting will do for you, you know, 228 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:41.200 and just bring about a patience that yeah, I'm a hard asked son 229 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:45.879 of a bitch bandleader and a you know, watching a three year old put 230 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:49.679 on your their shoes will make you patient a little bit. Yeah, but 231 00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:52.159 then you get older and then you turn into a grumpy old man, you 232 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:56.840 know, Yeah, I really enjoyed in the book where you talked about how 233 00:16:56.840 --> 00:17:00.240 you became sober and how you started attending meetings, but all the people that 234 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:06.079 Carlene Carter big influence and you were worried how she would feel about you when 235 00:17:06.119 --> 00:17:10.160 you when you turn the corner, became sober. No, actually she was 236 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:15.359 sober for or me, so she inspired me. I wasn't worried about what 237 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:18.240 a great story though. Yeah, And we were just together in Nashville, 238 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:23.279 and it was really nice to still have that friendship, you know there And 239 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:32.680 yeah, I mean there's there's usually there's usually somewhere, somehow someone will pierce 240 00:17:32.759 --> 00:17:37.000 through the denial, you know, and we're just reading your mail and your 241 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:41.519 bullshit doesn't work when when there's somebody in recovery and you sit and you explain 242 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:45.160 to them why you don't yet need to go and recovery or this, you 243 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:52.240 know whatever. Every there's a great thing in Uh. The way it works 244 00:17:52.279 --> 00:17:55.599 is the eleven tradition says we must always maintain personal anonymity, love of press, 245 00:17:55.720 --> 00:17:57.559 radio on film. So how it works is Kathy and I can tell 246 00:17:57.599 --> 00:18:02.000 you we're in a twelve step program. We can't tell you what twelve step 247 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:07.680 program. We are because we don't want to have anything we do adversely effect 248 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:11.319 or influence one way or the other. A twelve step program. But I'm 249 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:15.000 a member of a couple of different twelve step programs. And uh, there's 250 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:21.880 a thing that that says that that we drunks and alcoholics have to practice rigorous 251 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:26.799 honesty. Well, see, you're not a drunk piggot. You don't have 252 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:30.000 to practice rigorous homes. You practice honesty, Brandy, practice is honesty. 253 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:37.039 But only a junkie could find a loophole in the word honesty. Oh sure, 254 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:38.000 I'm honest. I mean, but I don't hurt your feelings, you 255 00:18:38.039 --> 00:18:41.279 know, are you rigorously honest? Oh no, yeah, no, not 256 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:45.799 at all. Well, and it's true, Like I'm amazed how many, 257 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:51.119 how many times my first reflex is to tell a lie, sure, a 258 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:55.079 white lie, or just get out of something, or that's my always my 259 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:57.960 first reflex. And I'm like, don't do it. It's not right, 260 00:18:59.119 --> 00:19:03.359 rewired different, you're always fighting it all the time. Not fighting, it's 261 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:04.759 just a it's a it's not a fight, it's just an impulse. And 262 00:19:04.839 --> 00:19:10.359 to me, it's interesting because if I if that's my impulse. I can't 263 00:19:10.359 --> 00:19:15.000 even imagine what your basic asshole is doing all day long, you know. 264 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:18.640 Or for me, it's like, well, this is how I am eighteen 265 00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:23.480 years sober. Fuck I guess eighteen minutes sober. I was pretty awful to 266 00:19:23.559 --> 00:19:26.359 be a run you know. But but the thing is about the thing about 267 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:30.960 the Steps is because we all have these people in our lives, and by 268 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:34.720 the grace of God and the Twelfth Steps, I've been able to be one 269 00:19:34.759 --> 00:19:40.400 of those people in other people's lives. Of the you know, past eighteen 270 00:19:40.519 --> 00:19:44.359 years is there's just that one or two or three people that are already in 271 00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:49.000 the program that just call you on all your ship and they just they see 272 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:52.960 that you're just lying through your teeth and how miserable you are, and they 273 00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:57.680 and the facade that you're you know, putting through, putting other people through, 274 00:19:57.799 --> 00:20:00.359 and and they just call you on all of it. And then they'll 275 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:06.119 go, how about you have a way of life that has none of that 276 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:08.680 in it? And they sound like crazy people, or you assume I did 277 00:20:08.759 --> 00:20:12.759 anyway this drunk assumed they were lying to me. Yeah, you know, 278 00:20:12.839 --> 00:20:17.279 when I first came in the program, I was like someone said, well, 279 00:20:17.440 --> 00:20:18.960 yeah, we'll get you off dope. But what if you don't want 280 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:23.039 to take the dope? Now? Went, well, that's just a fucking 281 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:26.559 lie. Of course, I'll always want to take dope. And then you 282 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:30.440 realize very shortly, Wow, what if there's a life where you don't want 283 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:33.359 to take dope? What is that life? It's the greatest thing I've ever 284 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:37.880 known. Today, you think the environment's better in Austin than it was at 285 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:41.480 in La the West coast for you especially, what do you mean? I 286 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:44.039 mean, do you do you really enjoy living here as much as the city 287 00:20:44.119 --> 00:20:48.440 has changed? Somebody not very regionally loyal to and the things I enjoy doing 288 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:53.680 I can pretty much do anywhere. YEA. To me, it's about like 289 00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:57.640 finances now. I mean, if I wanted to live back in La I'd 290 00:20:57.720 --> 00:21:03.559 be I'd be living in like Cathedral City or something. I just couldn't afford 291 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:06.519 to live there. And the same as with Austin. Now. If you 292 00:21:06.640 --> 00:21:10.440 get out of Austin now, you're not coming back unless you want to live, 293 00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:15.039 you know, out of town. So so I like, I mean, 294 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:19.319 I had my twenties and my thirties there, and those are the friends 295 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:25.000 that you grow up with and you're in the bars with then you you know, 296 00:21:25.319 --> 00:21:27.079 you get high with and then you stop getting high. And like, 297 00:21:27.319 --> 00:21:33.400 I have really good friendships. I love visiting there, and Austin is okay, 298 00:21:33.559 --> 00:21:37.880 I mean, I don't It's all right. I can't say that I'm 299 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:41.279 crazy about it, but I'm not not crazy about It's just kind of where 300 00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:44.640 I am. But it's home, it feels like right now, But I 301 00:21:44.680 --> 00:21:47.440 don't know if it's gonna always be home. Well, I know from your 302 00:21:47.480 --> 00:21:52.880 substate you talked about after your mother passed that you're thinking about because she had 303 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:56.079 dual citizenship. Correct, No, she was English, she wasn't, so 304 00:21:56.480 --> 00:22:00.880 that gives you dual citizenship. All right. I'm going to my citizens ceremony 305 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:07.480 on Saturday. So in Houston they're combining it with the coronation celebration. I'll 306 00:22:07.480 --> 00:22:11.680 be a dual citizen. And I just says, as I got older, 307 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:18.799 I want to be around family more and my mom's family in England is who 308 00:22:18.839 --> 00:22:22.319 I would like to spend more time with, so I'll I'll go to I'm 309 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:25.440 not going to cut ties with Austin. You know, I raised my daughter 310 00:22:25.599 --> 00:22:29.759 here, but but i'd probably go live there for a couple of years while 311 00:22:29.799 --> 00:22:33.759 my daughter's in college finishing up. Have you ever written over there? I 312 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:37.400 started my sub stack there. I mean, I'm sorry, songs written, 313 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:42.000 Yeah, I mean I kind of am always. I just I write and 314 00:22:42.079 --> 00:22:45.759 I don't know why, but I write differently there. Just whatever it is, 315 00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:49.680 it's just it's just everything feels different. And you know, because everything's 316 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:52.880 so damp, they're all the pianos or their own variety of out of tune 317 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:57.000 and it's just it's just Brandy and I have found that we write different. 318 00:22:57.079 --> 00:23:00.880 And we're in Europe. I'll check that out. Yeah, it's really could 319 00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:03.759 in the past. I'm there just visiting or holidays or something. So if 320 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:08.279 I'm living there, I'll get a chance to experience that. That's so cool. 321 00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:11.359 I can't wait to see the stuff at Jill. I mean, you 322 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:17.319 know this summer with the musical Zach Skinn head over Kathy Valentine, the musical 323 00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:22.480 director, and in the band, and apparently we're on the stage. We're 324 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:26.920 not in the pit. Really, we're on the stage in costumes, interacting, 325 00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:33.079 singing backups. How many pieces are in the band, It's gonna be 326 00:23:33.160 --> 00:23:37.640 four piece, just your basic two guitar, bass and drum I'm just gonna 327 00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:42.519 be I got Emily gimbal It's gonna play piano. Nobody good ve Eve is 328 00:23:42.519 --> 00:23:47.359 gonna play good drummer. Yeah, okay, once again, Christy McInnis the 329 00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:52.880 drummers. So I couldn't think of anybody that could do the job better than 330 00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:56.440 three. I mean, two of them are in my band, but I 331 00:23:56.519 --> 00:23:59.000 didn't pick them because they're in my band. I just thought they're just great. 332 00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:00.160 They're just the best people I could think of. And you know, 333 00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:06.119 Eve, it's just a phenomenal Eve month sys because another one of Kathy's projects 334 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:10.000 is the Blue Bonnets. We hadn't even talked about the blue Bonnets. Fantastic 335 00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:14.400 band, great just straight up great songs, catchy rock and roll songs, 336 00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:18.400 great songs. We just played Saturday at Sea Boys and it was just a 337 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:22.680 great show and it was packed. And you know what it's like, Sometimes 338 00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:26.160 you just look out and you just see people and the jaws are dropped and 339 00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:30.559 you're just like they've got the look. They're just like, how the hell 340 00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:37.480 are these women up here rocking so hard? And sometimes I think that like 341 00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:45.319 it never seems to go beyond like elevate the stature we don't headline bigger places, 342 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:51.200 we don't get offer us to do this and that, and for a 343 00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:55.119 while it would like frustrate me. But I've kind of gotten to this place 344 00:24:55.359 --> 00:25:00.119 where it's like, what is given, Let what's given be enough. And 345 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:06.000 on that night, just Saturday night, we're all still high from it, 346 00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:08.920 you know, and it doesn't have to mean that, oh, well, 347 00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:12.039 now we should be able to do this. It was just on a great 348 00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:18.000 night. And that's another lesson, and I think that comes with getting older 349 00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:22.400 and wiser, like, let what has given be enough? Well, amen, 350 00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:26.200 I out just as a picker, you know, been blessed to write 351 00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:30.559 some hit songs and all this and stuff. But really my whole life since 352 00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:33.599 I was four I had the same job since I was fourteen, and that's 353 00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:37.599 how I played guitar in front of people. And the two years where those 354 00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:47.319 lockdowns took that away forever have given me a gratitude that, by the grace 355 00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:52.720 good, even in all my darkest days in addiction, I never had. 356 00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:59.359 I never took any gigs for granted, But I also didn't really realize what 357 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:03.920 a privilege was until every single you know, because usually history of the world, 358 00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:07.440 if work goes away, you can migrate to where work is well. 359 00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:11.240 We musicians there was no other fucking stage to go to every venue on the 360 00:26:11.319 --> 00:26:15.440 face of the Earth's shut down. And when the gigs have come back, 361 00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:19.480 I have noticed an appreciation from the audience. I have noticed an appreciation from 362 00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:26.039 the band. There is something so wonderful with If the Wagoneers are here at 363 00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:29.759 the Spoke like we are on Friday Friday, last Friday of the month, 364 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:33.519 there'd be eight hundred people here and all of them. All the people here 365 00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:37.640 are so appreciative, The band is so appreciative, And I think what y'all 366 00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:44.519 got to experience Saturday is just a subconscious collective of just gratitude a week and 367 00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:48.799 go out and see the blue bonnets where we couldn't for two years. Back 368 00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:52.079 of the Broken Spoke, Kathy Valentine has just entered. You just came back 369 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:56.319 from the George Straight bathroom, the world famous. Yeah. I was like, 370 00:26:56.759 --> 00:27:00.680 Okay, this is all the same guy. Okay, is it comfortable 371 00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:04.359 to sit there and do your business with George Straight looking at you? Sure's 372 00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:08.759 the way Kevy has it at home, you think. People that just reminded 373 00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:14.319 me of when I was like a little adolescent, like with my pictures of 374 00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:19.319 my rings, Bobby Sherman all over the walls, you know, saying cute. 375 00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:26.640 You think somebody's got a go Goes bathroom or can't pictures that people have 376 00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:33.000 entire rooms filled with every space on the wall. Are you okay with that? 377 00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:36.799 Well? Yeah, I mean fucking great okay with it? I don't 378 00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:38.920 know, man, I just man, That's why I like doing radio where 379 00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:42.119 nobody can see what the hell I look like? You know, well, 380 00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:47.839 I mean I wouldn't want to do it. I mean I wouldn't want that 381 00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:51.119 in my house for any man. I mean, I love even your own, 382 00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:53.880 right, I don't want I don't want a Stone's room. Are you 383 00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:57.720 really going to give him your guitar when you pass away? And he's I 384 00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:02.160 don't think. I think I'll outlive them. I would hope. Yeah. 385 00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:07.279 I mean somewhere I don't think it's legal, but somewhere I have it written 386 00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:11.680 down. But I forgot I was gonna say, oh yeah, I was 387 00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:17.720 a I've done a couple of these comic cons where you it's a real fan 388 00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:23.160 culture and people are there and they're meeting actors from different films and comic book 389 00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:29.240 artists huge conventions, and some of them are more pop culture oriented and they 390 00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:33.720 have musicians. So Gina and I have done a couple together and they're really 391 00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:37.759 fun. But there was this one amazing fan. She came. She asked 392 00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:41.440 me to sign her arm, and I signed her arm, and damn of 393 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:47.400 three hours later she sent me a picture and she tattooed it. Wow. 394 00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:52.519 Three hours later, I was like, I've done a little neater? Have 395 00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:57.039 I known? I got a mispelled running? What's the I mean, I'm 396 00:28:57.079 --> 00:29:03.000 sure do you get recognized a lot in Austin? No, really, very 397 00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:07.079 very rarely. I mean my look changes a lot. I mean, what 398 00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:11.200 would I get recognized for. I don't look like you know, I'm not 399 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:15.680 wearing a two two like on the Vacation album. I'm not wearing a towel 400 00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:21.359 around my head like on Beauty and the Beat. I had red, spiky 401 00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:26.720 hair in the eighties, you know, and then I had short, choppy 402 00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:30.519 hair in the nineties, and then I had long So it's like, I 403 00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:33.519 don't know how anyone would record I knew you were the men you walked in 404 00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:36.839 the door here, though, Well, I'm sure there's something. I mean, 405 00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:40.359 it has happened. It's just rare. It happened in Randalls. One 406 00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:41.880 day, somebody came up and said, I'm like such a big fan. 407 00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:48.000 It happened in New York City. A guy came running up and just said, 408 00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:56.000 I was a school kid in Nebraska and the Go Goes made me realize 409 00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:59.279 that my life could be anything. And I live in New York City and 410 00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:04.519 I work and production on a TV show and it's because of you guys, 411 00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:08.160 And I'm just like, this just happened, you know, it's crazy. 412 00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:11.759 Well, and I was. I was telling our boy Brooks, I said 413 00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:15.519 that you know thing about the Go Gos. You know, they're in the 414 00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:18.359 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And they were the first all girl group 415 00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:21.839 that wrote their own songs, played their own songs, that had had a 416 00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:25.400 number one album. I think the first girl group that had their number one 417 00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:27.240 album. I think, yeah, no, the only yeah, only one 418 00:30:27.319 --> 00:30:32.440 still. But there was a lot of female bands that played and that wrote 419 00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:37.160 songs, but we had hit songs and the number one remember, so that's 420 00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:41.400 that's the distinction. I try to make sure, like I know that there 421 00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:45.240 was a lot of bands before us that were women, but there was no 422 00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:48.720 MTV for them, there was no and there might not have been the songs 423 00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:52.200 either. As another thing, there wasn't the talent or the songs. But 424 00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:56.640 the thing is that what you know, what drew me to The Go Goes 425 00:30:56.680 --> 00:30:59.559 had nothing to do, but they were all chicks would just they were just 426 00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:03.359 great records, these records, I think we could have been guys in I'm 427 00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:07.640 still in the Hall of Fame. I think so too, because like if 428 00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:14.359 I'm if I'm fourteen and I'm listening to every Day by Buddy Holly and the 429 00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:19.039 Crickets and I ain't living along like this by Wayland Jennings and we got the 430 00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:23.200 beat by the Go Gos. What I'm listening to are three great songs. 431 00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:27.279 That That's what it is. That these are well written, well produced, 432 00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:33.319 well played, well song great records. That's the continuum. It's not that, 433 00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:34.559 oh wow, you had such an eclectic taste. No I didn't. 434 00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:37.920 I just love stuff that was fucking great, is what that is. Well, 435 00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:41.880 I'm the same. I like a good song, right, I don't 436 00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:47.279 necessarily like an entire career of any artist or an entire album, but a 437 00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:49.359 good song it kills you, right, and it it doesn't matter what it 438 00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:53.279 isn't like I was. I was shocked. I didn't and I mean I'm 439 00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:56.680 talking about first chair go gos fan, But I didn't realize until I read 440 00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:01.160 your book All I Ever Wanted, written by Valentine, available wherever books are 441 00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:06.039 sold, that Beauty and the Beat only had two singles off of it. 442 00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:08.519 I was shocked because to me and so many of my friends, it takes 443 00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:13.519 four singles. No, but yeah, but all eleven songs on the record 444 00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:15.599 were like hits. You know, it was a stupid move. You know, 445 00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:17.960 I'm right about that. I think a lot of people enjoy that in 446 00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:24.079 the book where I really show the mistakes that bands can make and the you 447 00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:29.440 know, put showing what it's like and the regret like I have giving a 448 00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:34.400 lot of my writing credit away on vacation and just like describing a lot of 449 00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:40.400 the stuff about the business and why the songwriting issue can be a band breaker, 450 00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:45.480 you know, and there's a there's not a manual, there's not a 451 00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:47.880 right way to do it. It's not a black and white issue that both 452 00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:53.279 sides are valid. But if you're a band and everybody's getting up and hauling 453 00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:59.359 their butts across the country, and a crappy van. You know, it's 454 00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:01.200 like, so if someone stayed home and wrote a song. You know, 455 00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:05.079 that's the way I look at it now. But all of y'all wrote, 456 00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:09.880 right, I mean Belinda, but but yeah, but you, uh, 457 00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:16.319 you and and Charlotte and Jane wrote and uh and Gina has I really encourage 458 00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:21.440 Gina to write songs. And you know, not all, not all of 459 00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:23.319 our songs were suitable for the band. I mean, I write a lot 460 00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:27.480 of songs that I know when I've written a song that's a good go go 461 00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:30.440 song that like every band I've ever been and I'm the only writer, you 462 00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:34.119 know, like the bands are vehicles for Yeah, that's a different it's a 463 00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:38.119 totally different bag than a band writing all these you know, all these songs. 464 00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:45.119 And I just think just so many of the of the songs that you 465 00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:50.279 and Charlotte wrote just they don't sound like anything else, and they're just brilliantly 466 00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:53.759 written pop songs. Yeah, and yeah, I think, I mean, 467 00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:59.599 I think Charlotte and Jane had the had the uh they weren't the only writers, 468 00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:02.400 and that they didn't have enough songs to sustain the whole career. They 469 00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:07.360 needed me. But I think as a t writing team that they really exemplified 470 00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:12.360 the sound, you know. And there was a the one heavy guitar song 471 00:34:12.679 --> 00:34:16.920 that's on talk show damn It You and Danny wrote it. I'm the only 472 00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:22.199 one. I'm the only one, man. What a great song. Carlene 473 00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:23.719 and I wrote that too, Carlin. I didn't know if Carlen was on 474 00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:28.320 that really Yeah, And she and I played that together in Nashville. Wow, 475 00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:30.719 it's a great song. Yeah, she sounds great on it. Fantastic 476 00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:35.079 song. It didn't really suit the go goes that well, but I thought 477 00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:37.920 if it well on talk show, I was surprised they wanted to do it. 478 00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:39.480 I didn't think they would be. You know, looking back, you 479 00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:43.519 think that maybe if you guys have been opened to more than one lead singer 480 00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:45.320 in the band, the band would have sustained and lasted a few more years. 481 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:50.400 And it's original in formation. No, I don't think that. I 482 00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:53.960 think Belinda is the singer of the band. I don't think having another lead 483 00:34:54.039 --> 00:35:00.199 singer would have done anything. I think the band didn't grow. You know, 484 00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:04.960 we got more mileage than anybody really deserves to get out of and I'll 485 00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:09.039 say little output. And it was I'm not taking it away, but you 486 00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:15.239 know, the band has has not been a functioning, productive band for that 487 00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:20.679 much, you know. Well, and I just think that sound, you 488 00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:25.800 know, uh, Belinda Carlisle as the lead singer of the Go Goes is 489 00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:30.320 how the Go Go sound. And I think she's part of the sound, 490 00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:34.360 right and and and I uh as much a huge fan as as I've been 491 00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:38.840 of her uh solo records and having is a Place on Earth and all that 492 00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:45.559 stuff, I think the best she sounds even today is a member of y'all's 493 00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:50.320 quintet. I just think that's that's how it comes to get to, you 494 00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:54.280 know, beforming out there in sed Parker. Oh yeah, yeah. But 495 00:35:54.599 --> 00:36:00.400 one of her best vocal performances is on World's Away, which is your song. 496 00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:02.519 Yeah, I mean, you know, so it's just just wrote for 497 00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:06.920 her, you know, right, I was writing except for the songs I 498 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:10.519 brought in that we're already written. But when I'm in a band working with 499 00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:15.280 a singer, I try to I try to get in their head and write 500 00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:21.480 something tay for her voice. Yeah, well, job well done. That's 501 00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:23.320 what it's always I mean. Because I'm not the lead singer, so I 502 00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:27.440 want to write something that they can really get behind because you're you know, 503 00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:30.360 a lot of it's just self preservation too. You want tracks, you know, 504 00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:35.119 when you're not splitting everything up equally, and you're a writer, you 505 00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:37.719 want your song Pitt. It's just the way it is, you know, 506 00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:43.760 And so it just makes sense, you know, to write something that the 507 00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:47.159 singer wants to sing well. But I also think, you know, just 508 00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:52.119 in our in my own songwriting, blade Chip, I've written songs my whole 509 00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:57.360 life, but I write a lot of material with Brandy. Brandy. Brandy's 510 00:36:57.360 --> 00:36:59.400 to be an A and R. You know, she was a and Art 511 00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:04.639 Decca, so she knows the best the way a singer's boys should sound even 512 00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:07.000 better than I do as a songwriter, because I just want to write, 513 00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:08.199 Oh, I was listening to the Beatles this week. I want to write 514 00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:10.760 something off Revolver. I was listening to the Buddy Holly this week. I'll 515 00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:15.840 write something from Clovis. You know, but she knows, Oh, your 516 00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:19.599 voice has this little wheelhouse and you as a writer, because Blenda is not 517 00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:22.199 a writer, particularly on World's Way and that was an album cut. But 518 00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:28.239 I just encourage go bost fans, go revisit that that is I think probably 519 00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:32.239 Belinda's best vocal performance. Well, she's singing really well. Now. We 520 00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:37.679 did a bunch of shows, probably the last shows we're gonna do last year, 521 00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:40.440 and uh, she'd never sounded better. Yeah, that's so cool. 522 00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:45.719 She had never sounded better. Yeah, we appreciate you coming to visit with 523 00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:49.119 us. Back that we didn't tell the story. This is the Willie Nelson. 524 00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:52.360 This is where Willie Nelson proposed to one of his wives. So that's 525 00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:55.519 why it's a special one of us wives to his wife Annie. We haven't 526 00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:58.960 confirmed that. No it is Annie. No, no, no, okay, 527 00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:01.320 it is Okay. We're waiting for Willy to come and tell us the 528 00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:07.840 real story behind it. That's why I say that romantic booth. You've you've 529 00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:10.119 been to the Spoke before though, right have? Yeah, And this is 530 00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:15.559 where I always like to bring someone that's visiting Austin because it's just it's the 531 00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:19.440 real thing. Yeah, it looks like Texas threw up. It's the real 532 00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:23.239 thing. And you know, nobody anywhere else is going to have anything like 533 00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:27.199 this. That's true, that's true. You ever been on stage before me 534 00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:29.480 here at this time, I have not known I've never done a dance. 535 00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:32.960 I'm a terrible dancer. Terrible terrible dancer. A two step well, no, 536 00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:37.960 no line dance two step. No, I can't dance. I don't 537 00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:39.679 know how. Well here's the scene. I look even. I mean, 538 00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:45.239 my daughter laughs at me when I try. Laughs. Well, Kathy, 539 00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:50.400 if you ever come to a wagon Ear show every last Friday of every month, 540 00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:52.800 including this Friday, you can come join the wagon Ears and we can 541 00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:57.639 We'll play whatever you want. Well that I'd be more comfortable with that than 542 00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:00.719 two stepping on the floor. Oh yeah, thank you so much, And 543 00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:08.079 please write another one, two or three volumes and everybody goes and sign up 544 00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:10.599 for your substack. Yeah, the second order the book, and it's called 545 00:39:10.639 --> 00:39:15.519 The Direction of Motion. That's the name of the sub stack. But you 546 00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:17.079 took a class at ACC Is that right? Is that where you got interested 547 00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:23.199 in becoming an I got my degree in English when I was sixty two in 548 00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:28.360 twenty twenty one. It's not something you wanted to rush into. I was 549 00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:32.119 kind of busy, yeah, popped up understand, kind of took classes here 550 00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:37.440 and there. I like to learn. I think. I think the thing 551 00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:42.880 that keeps people young is to keep an open, curious mind a man. 552 00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:47.039 Yeah, and so I'm and we have it's easy to do. You know, 553 00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:51.519 we've got Google, we have the Internet. You know, you don't 554 00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:55.639 have to be going down holes of of of nastiness, and hey you can. 555 00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:59.920 There's a lot of learning on there. Good for you, it's true, 556 00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:02.719 it's true. Well, God love you, and thank you for stopping 557 00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:07.119 and visiting with us again. The book is all I ever wanted rock and 558 00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:10.000 remember from Kathy Valentine. Read it. You will love it. And if 559 00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:14.280 you're in the area, go see Hit over Heels at Zach Scott and the 560 00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:19.199 Dates again in August. Do you know they dropped the Scott now why I 561 00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:22.519 don't know. But for those of us that have lived here a long time, 562 00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:25.679 it's like the Walter Crest, right, you know, it's he was 563 00:40:25.719 --> 00:40:29.719 a guy, he was an actor. You know, he was from here. 564 00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:32.559 There's a hotel on the river that's been four different things. To me, 565 00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:37.119 it's always still Walter Crest. It's always, you know, and you 566 00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:40.800 know I still look for the Villa Capri, the old timers here, you 567 00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:44.800 know, we're like at least top notch there. Really, as long as 568 00:40:44.840 --> 00:40:47.559 there's a Mattsale Rancho, I'll be held as long as there's a broken spoke. 569 00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:52.119 Amen back, So then we're going to close on that. Thank you 570 00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:59.079 again, More Tales soon. Tales from the Broken Spoke is recorded live at 571 00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:02.440 The Broken Spoke in Austin, Texas, hosted by Country Radio Hall of Fame 572 00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:08.239 broadcaster Bob Pickett and Monty Warden, recorded mixed down and produced by Mike Rivera