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What's up? Everybody? Welcomed episode
two hundred and fifty two WOW of Hobby

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Hotline. My name of course is
Drew or the d H and joining me

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today, we've got the man himself, Uncle Rich Klan. How you doing

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that morning? Looking forward? We
have some really good topics that we do

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that we do and then also join
us the Man, Brody t k Not

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the Kid, Brody the Man.
What's up dude? What's up guys for

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mord morning. Good to see you
guys, and thanks everybody that is tuning

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in. Please of course dropped any
comments or any questions that you have.

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Going to post the link to the
show right now so you can pop on

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in ask any questions anything that you'd
like all day as we discuss some of

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the crazy topics in the Hobby that
are going on right now. But first

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off, happy Bobby Bani a day, because of course July first Bobby Bania

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Day. I think nobody has a
better day than him. But happy Bobby

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Bani a day. Another one point
I don't know whatever it is, one

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point something million dollars every year he
gets so happy Bobby Bani a day.

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You know, it's amazing. Bobby
Bania gets his one point, But have

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you seen some of these NBA contracts
and some of the potential effects on the

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sports card market where they're going.
Oh I know. Oh, Desmond Baine,

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a guy that I've been preaching since
since he was drafted all over my

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show. I love him, He's
one of my favorites. He just signed

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a two hundred million dollar contract.
Now I think that's way too much for

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him, But I think there's a
lot of people that are getting paid a

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whole lot of money and way too
much. Morning Ziggy Hammer forty four,

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Mad City grew. What's going on? Everybody? Three? B what's good?

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Hope everybody is having a good one
today. So Rich Brody, let's

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diging into it. Like you said, We've got a lot of topics today,

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a whole lot of stuff going on. But last week, obviously the

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big news was Fanatics and their terms
of service and kind of what it was

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going to do for breaking everything like
that. And then well, after a

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little backlash and after everybody got a
chance to read that, they had a

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town hall and kind of a round
two on this change to cut round two

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if you will. If this is
a boxing match, we're game two.

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Whatever you want to call up between
them, the shops, the breakers and

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everything like that. But looks like
they may be walking back some of the

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some of the restrictions that we're going
to do. But what do you guys

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think about this? Bro? Do
you want to lead off? Well,

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the first ones obviously were I mean
a little devastating at first, but I

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mean, yeah, I mean,
we'll see how these go. I mean,

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they obviously fanatics obviously saw that they
shops weren't happy, and shops didn't

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seem too thrilled about some of these, especially new shops, because there were

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a lot of new restrictions going out
there. So they shouldn't have been happy.

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They shouldn't have been happy. The
stuff that they were putting in that

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original contract was absolutely absurd. Now
I haven't seen the update. If there

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isn't updated terms yet, I have
not seen it anybody in the chat.

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I know we have a lot of
people that own shops. You haven't you

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let us know if they've sent out
an updated and amended part of this.

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But you know, I'm glad they
did because the Collector's dream goes right where

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I was going with this. But
I zink fan ads went way too far.

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Way too controlling. And that's really
we talked about it on let me

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get that potograph this week. You
know, they say they want to do

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all this marketing, they want to
do all this and bringing new people into

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the hobby and do this massive marketing
campaign and be closer to the collector and

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all this than ever before. But
putting out terms like this and making it

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so controlling, none of that marketing
is going to work at all because people

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are going to have one option and
one way to do things when it comes

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to something like breaking. If we're
going to have breaking, you've got to

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have multiple outlets for people to do
it. And because if you give them

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only one option, well all that
marketing in the world can be amazing and

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look great, but if it's not
exactly what that person wants, they don't

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have another option. So, I
mean, it was ridiculous in my opinion.

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One of the things I've learned in
my short time in the hobby store

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owners don't like being told what to
do. Of course not, it's their

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story. And even though some of
the guidelines I'm not just talking about the

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breaking guidelines, some of the guidelines
are actually reasonable to some extent. You

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know, There's always been an argument
as long as I've been in the hobby

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to be more professional. A lot
of this seemed to be, let's make

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the stores more professional, more of
a standard, I don't want to say

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cut cookie cutter, but more of
a standard way to do things. Yeah,

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and most stores want to do things
a little bit their way. And

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so your problem is that you're trying
to do various rules for various stores out

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for example, the things about how
many hours a store can be open.

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Yes, our friend Rich Mueller in
Sports Collectors Daily did an article about a

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couple of weeks ago about a working
couple opening a store in Hot Springs,

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Arkansas, where they're getting there after
work. You know, they want to

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try to transition to full time.
Well, eventually they may get there,

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but right now they can only do
like a four And I'm just going to

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make these hours up. Forty eight
Monday to Friday, ten to six Saturday,

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ten to five Sunday. That's not
the forty hours fanatics want you to

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be open. No, and I
absolutely agree with Ziggy here. They went

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way too far away, too early. You've gotta if you're gonna if your

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ultimate goal is to do that,
Rich and to make you know them kind

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of all the stores that are under
the Fanatics umbrella kind of have the same

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field, the same kind, you
know, the same generalized cookie cutter type

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of store. You've got to do
that at an incremental base. You can't

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come in and just change everything about
stores and everything that you know, everything

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that people have loved about them forever
in a day. It's not going to

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go over well, especially in a
hobby like this, and especially at a

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time like this where there is so
much change going on. The last thing

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people want to see is a massive
overhaul. And you know, Ziggy had

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mentioned earlier that this U didn't include
just online breakers was but Whisper Direct,

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you know. But the thing is, there's also a lot of people that

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have big breaking companies that have brick
and mortar stores. I mean, some

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of the biggest breaking companies all do. And so it's a it's a very

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interesting time. But there's actually some
at least breaking news to me. I

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don't know if anyone else had seen
it, but Steele City DW says the

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eBay just announced effective July eighteenth,
my brother's birthday case box and pat breaks

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may only be sold by pre approved
sellers. That was actually announced a couple

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of weeks ago. Oh god,
they sent out letters to the people who

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were breaking saying, you know that
they weren't on their pre approved listening after

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you can't break anymore on eBay.
I missed that. I missed that completely.

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So that I like that. I
absolutely love that part of it.

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I don't know what you think,
Brodie, but I love I just at

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the eBay stuff. There's way too
many people on their that those breaks were

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total scams. Now I could I
could see them and you know, see

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them from a mile away and figure
out who was just trying to fill a

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couple of spots and who was trying
to, you know, just run a

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junk campaign. But a lot of
people in the hobby can't. And so

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if you notice, and fanats was
also talking about breaking, and I don't

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know how many people in the audience
saw, and I believe I posted into

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our group check that ESPN article about
breaking. Yeah, yes they did.

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Yeah. Oh And that was that
was let's let's go on and say it

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right now. That was one thousand
percent planted by fanatics with this and that

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had a because you know, fanatics
and ESPN have a very close relationship to

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begin with. That was one planted
by Fanatics. With the new terms of

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service with stores and everything going on, this article was meant to shine light

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on Breaking as they started to promote
the Fanatics Live platform and all that type

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of stuff. It absolutely was a
coordinated effort with them. Actually, when

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you look at some of the people
that they interviewed for the article, Um,

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but I thought that was interesting to
see. Um it's all. I

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mean, hey, it got a
lot of people talking about it. I

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had a lot of people that don't
know anything about cards that sent me a

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DM on Facebook or something that said, hey, I finally saw something about

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you know what I see you talking
about all the time on social media.

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My point is, once you see
an article on ESPN, yes it's big

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time. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, And so that brought more attention to

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it, along with the eBay rules, along with the Fanatics letter that tells

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you that they're everybody. Once you
see that puts money in breaking. And

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you know, I'm not talking about
whether the rules are good or not.

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I'm just saying that that's a sign
that you know that Breaking has really hit

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the hobby consciousness big time and it's
and it's not for everybody, right.

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It doesn't have to be right.
This is a hobby. That's the that's

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the beautiful thing about it. Can
do it anyway you want. You can

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collect any way you want. You
can buy boxes, you can buy singles,

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you can buy packs, you can
do anything. You can do only

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card shows, you can do no
social media whatsoever. You can do only

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social media. And there's a million
ways to collect. It's it's where we

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get into thinking there's only one way, which is when you know, problems

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arise, at least in my opinion, now, I do agree with a

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couple of comments in here the article
itself. I'm not going to get into

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the actual details of the article because
I do think it was It could have

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been better. It could have shined
a better light on it, I think,

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and they could have talked about a
little bit more and gone a little

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bit more in depth. But this
was intended to be a quick piece to

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just grab people's attention, and like
I said, it was definitely a coordinated

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effort with some major companies involved here
of putting it out at the right time,

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right near the national lot of a
lot of stuff involved in having that

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article come out with it when it
did. But in terms of the content,

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you know, hey, it is
what it is. Like Dan says

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he can collect carry collins if he
wants to. Hey, I got some

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colins up here too, Buddy,
more than him Dan. But but yeah,

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so I mean it is what it
is. But Steele City DW has

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a question here and I Brody,
I'll let you start off here. Do

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you guys see federal and state law
changing soon on breaks as it pertains to

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gambling. We saw something similar with
DFS a couple of years ago. So

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obviously all this attention and we've actually
in the hobby been talking a lot about

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oversight lately and needing oversight. What
do you guys think in terms of we're

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going to see some you know,
government interaction, intervention when it comes to

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this. I mean, I know
our hobby is big, but I don't

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know if it's that big to get
government intervention into it. But I think

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isn't opening a pack gambling? Isn't
opening a box gambling? And you're drinking

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by yourself, you're not doing you
don't have to do a break to gamble.

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You could just go buy a box
or buy a pack from your LCS.

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You could buy a box at targeting, you can buy a box from

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Walmart, buyer wherever. I don't
I don't think it's necessary. One thing

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I've always been amazed at is,
unlike stamps and coins, and we're still

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a developing hobby business industry, whatever
term you want to say, we've never

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had an Americans American Sports, American
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We've never had a national group that
basically I don't want to say overseas,

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but would settle a lot of these
things. Yeah, and stamps and coins,

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there are long established groups. You
know, we talked sometimes. I

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don't think we talked very much.
But in England there's a really long established

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cardiphiliac history and they had collector groups
and collector clubs and some stuff going back

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one hundred years. And that's something
where self regulation done right helps. Yeah,

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but it takes somebody to accept.
And this is this is actually part

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of the whole fanatics letter thing.
Again, We've always been very independent and

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we've tried a few times to have
national organizations. We tried in the seventies,

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we tried in the nineties, we
tried in the eighties, we tried

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locally various collectors clubs. Some of
the collectors clubs are still somewhat around.

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Yeah, but we've never really been
able to get any sort of a national

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association off the ground, right,
And that would take care of a lot

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of it, because then you would
have self regulation, which and there's a

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way, there's a way to do
that. It's just it's going to have

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to take some of like like breaking
for instance, of breaking wanting to be

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regulated, some of the biggest breakers
coming together and putting together a list that,

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you know of stuff that hey will
abide by this, and then hopefully

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other people agree and say, hey
will abide by this too. You make

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it too specific things like that that
only that makes it look like you're trying

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to benefit yourself. It's not going
to go over well if you make it

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like you're trying to benefit the hobby. I think it's something smaller breakers would

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latch onto things like that. Maybe
you could get some type of self oversight

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things like that. Otherwise, I
don't know if I see I see the

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government coming in eventually in some way, shape or form. I don't.

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I don't think there's gonna be some
massive like you know, just big all

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the sudden overhaul that's coming out of
nowhere or anything like that. I don't

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see that. And I don't think
the way breaks is set up that we

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see gambling laws, I don't think. Maybe certain states North Carolina likes to

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do a lot of dumb stuff.
I wouldn't imagine if they might do it

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just because of the stupidity we have
out here. But you know, some

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states possibly, I just don't see
it as some big thing where the better

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government comes in or anything like that. Maybe possibly some states sometimes, But

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like it was mentioned in the comments
earlier, it is election season, so

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I don't see anything like that happening
at least for a little while, because

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you know, it's it's not something
I would elatch onto at this point in

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time, at least in my opinion. And I see we have Rex in

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the chat, and you know,
without him having to go into too much

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specifics, i'd love to hear his
reactions to the fanatics issues of the last

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couple of weeks. Yes, yeah, absolutely, yeah, Rex, please

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let us know. And also Rex, i'd like to know, since you

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do ownership as well, if you've
gotten an updated terms yet. Have they

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sent out anything updated since they at
least since the conference call that that a

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couple of friends of mine were on
when with tops when they had this.

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Have they sent anything out that's been
updated yet. That's one thing that I

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was quite curious about, you knows, as they should make cards with zero

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hits just like they did in the
eighties and see if it sells. Hey,

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I'd love to. I mean,
they're praying enough. They never turned

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the machines off. They might as
well crank another set out, but you

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know that'd be interested. That's the
only way we would ever be gambling with

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cards ever again. Yeah, yeah, we'll all say something that I want

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to get your opinion on, Brodie, because I disagree just because of what

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I saw at the National last year
and what I see when I perused some

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of these breaking sites. But it
says that kids don't buy into breaks,

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I actually know a ton of kids
that buy into breaks, and there's a

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massive amount of people, Like at
the National last year when Whatnot had that

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huge, long, massive booth,
I'm gonna be interested to see their footprint

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this year. On that note,
but they had that long area. I

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saw so many kids that were regulars
and that their dads were like, I'm

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not I don't even break cards.
I'm just hearing my son who buys into

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this stuff. I mean, what
do you see I mean in terms of

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kids in breaking, Yeah, for
me, it's honestly surprising how many kids

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buying the breaks. But yeah,
tons of kids brian breaks And it might

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not be like some of the breakers
you would think, but like backyard breaks,

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And I'm just using that like as
example, but like breakers like that

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that like intrigue, kids like those
are the breakers that kids like because they

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see the fun in it. And
I do tons of breaks too, and

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I'm a kid, so yeah,
I have kids do a ton of breaks.

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I mean. And also what the
like you said, backyard breaks is

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a prime example. They do have
a lot of young kids in their breaks.

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In one thing that that you notice
on that they're loud, they're brash,

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stuff like that. Well, I
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almost nine. I watched the video. I hear the videos. I don't

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watch them if I can help it, but I hear the videos that he

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watches. It's loud, brash people
playing games. So they're catering exactly to

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that audience that grew up watching that
stuff. So, I mean there are

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tons of kids that get into breaks, absolutely, and let's see we do

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have an update, so from Rex
doesn't impact us as much as other shops.

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We've never done breaks and don't intend
to. We can still sell on

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our website and other social media,
just not on third party sites. And

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there has been no updated turns from
tops, just a conference car clarifying and

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telling us we'll be receiving an update
and an faqube well looking forward to that

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update, yea. And I want
to point out that thirty years ago when

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this conversation about gambling began with insert
cards, I believe it was the state

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of California required the ads to be
put on either boxes or the packs and

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started all that because you didn't know
how the odds were and they weren't public,

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and so that I think that helped
a lot, because if you knew

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that a card was one out of
thirty six packs, you know it was

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a better card than a card that's
every two packs. Right, even though

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with the amount they published of some
of those packs, one out of thirty

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six packs it turns out to be
a quarter card. Nowadays, Yeah,

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no, and Zie, it has
a one right, but only on one

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thing, and I will have to
preface only on one side of things.

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If you're buying in to chase a
hit and not just buying in because you

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are collecting, I agree that it
is gambling if you're just opening packs of

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cards for fun, because you want
every card in that pack and you want

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every card in the collection, and
it is something you're having fun for.

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I mean, yeah, you're it's
a gamble of what's inside, but are

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you truly gambling. No, you're
just buying something that you want. But

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I do agree that if it has
odds, it is gambling. And you

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know, modern sports cards and packs, it is a gamble. It's just

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how you use that word and how
the govern pernament language and stuff that's in

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writing, and everything is written differently, you know what I mean, it's

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not it's not written and just vague
terms like we're discussing here. So that's

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where that's where the big changes are. But I completely agree that, you

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know, if you're opening for chasing
the hits and chasing something like that,

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then yes, everything's a gamble and
not. And there are some people who

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don't participate in the breaks. They
wait for other people to break the packs

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and then buy the single cards they
want or their team collectors, and they

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will buy breaks if they think a
price point for example, Cubs works well,

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right, and then that's fine.
They get they get the team they

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want to collect, and on their
way to a million one million Cubs cards,

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they've they've gotten a whole bunch more
cards on the way. And so

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that's one example of how to me
breaks the right helps people. If you

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know, if you're Brody's wearing a
White Sox shirt, if he wants to

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go to a White Sox break because
he wants all the tops two White Sox

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cards and the person ships everything including
bass. He knows he's going to get

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the base and he'll get some hits
and he's a happy person and the White

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Sox. I mean, by the
way, what the heck is going on

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with Louis Scrobert otherwise known as lou
Bob in the hobby? When did he

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start hitting a homer every day?
I don't know. I mean he was

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struggling. I mean he last year, I mean he wasn't even hitting for

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power and now this year, I
mean that's all he hits for his average,

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I mean his average is okay.
I think he's around two seventy and

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now he's just hitting bombs right behind. It's awesome. Yeah, I mean

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to day and he's twenty five homers. Yeah yeah, I know, I

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know. Yeah. His card markets
reflecting it too. People that like myself

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that held on this stuff way too
long are finally able to see a little

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bit better return on some of that
stuff at least. So that's nice and

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I see rich. Yeah, if
you do want a skum Gunner break,

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I'm like white Sox or you get
something, just pick East Carolina. You

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won't find nothing. But you know
I found that through my collecting career.

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But yeah, so Fanatics, it's
been interest. Let's see steel City.

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Dw says. This Fanatics decision opened
a small window for Panini, specifically for

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the breakers that aren't designated by Fanatics. Panini should jump at this. I

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don't. If I'm Panini, I'd
kind of just continue. I focus more

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on my product and making my product
better and figuring out how to navigate the

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upcoming loss of all these licenses and
put more of a focus on the UFC,

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the WWE, the stuff that well
they're losing WWE, but UFC and

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some of the soccer licenses that they're
going to actually have in a couple of

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years. I would focus on cards
and personally stay out of this if I

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was Panini, especially while they're scrambling
to really they're they're still trying to fix

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a lot of things. Plus they've
hired a whole bunch of new employees.

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Yes, even if they have a
lot of how the experience, they're still

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new to doing products. So there's
a lot of people they hired have not

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been in products before. Some have
been, but most have not been,

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and as such you've got to also
bring them up to speed on that.

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Yeah, yep. And Rex says
that Fanatics will eventually require tops products done

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all on Fanatics Live mark my words. I actually agree with that. I

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don't think it's going to be immediate, but I do think and probably five

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ten years, I think it'll probably
be along those lines. I don't think.

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I don't think by any means what
it'll be immediate, but eventually it'll

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probably get there. Does that mean
the breaking pavilion from the National goes away?

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Well, I guess it depends on
what Panini leaf and let's see if

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other companies come around what they do. Once one company has. We haven't

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seen one company have all these instances
and things like that in eons, so

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it's gonna be weird when only one
company has it. What these companies do

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and the how the hobby community reacts
to all of the products that they are

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able to put out, you know
what I mean. One positive note.

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I don't know, Brody, if
you've gotten a chance to open any or

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anything, but I've seen a very
positive reaction to Don Russ Baseball by Panini

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this year. I've seen a huge
positive reaction which is all prospects and retired

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players, which is quite a departure, you know, from what they had

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before when they could actually use the
players. They can't now, so it's

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all prospects and retired players. And
I've actually heard nothing but good things about

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it. Yeah, I've meant to
buy a box, but I've been buying

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so much wrestling that I kind of
forgot too. But next time I'm going

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to get a box, I'm going
to remember. But yeah, I've heard

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so many good things. Because there
are so many numbered cards you get re

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hits, and it's about one hundred
dollar bucks, so you can go and

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sell each of the number cards you
get for two bucks, three bucks,

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and then the lower number ones for
five, six, seven bucks and the

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autos for ten fifteen bucks. You
could take your money back and more easily

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for every box you buy, like
easily, yeah, even if big time

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hits like easily. Yeah, no, I agree, But it's been interesting

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to see. I've seen a lot
of people with a positive response. So

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I think it'll just depend on how
that stuff looks and what's it looks like

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and it recks. It seems like
people in the shop like it as well,

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which that's good. So I mean, I think that's a positive sign

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because that's what we need to really
be looking at when it comes to things

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like that. Rich if if people
in the hobby actually still gravitate towards these

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products once the licenses are gone,
I think that will determine if we have

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a Breakers Pavilion or the tops Fanatics
Breakers area. Well. One thing to

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remember too with a product like the
once you have, yes, you don't

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have the active players. The people
love prospects, but people also love the

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retired players, and you know both
of those people are not under yet.

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I mean there are players now in
the minor league. There is now a

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union. Could there be soon a
licensing agreement as there is for the major

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league players, right. I mean, I know there's already tops pro debut

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and they can do bowmen and they
put them in major league uniforms. But

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there's now a minor league players union, and you know, licensing is the

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next step. I'm glad, and
I'm glad they're getting paid, and I'm

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glad that they're going to have much
better living accommodations than they previously had.

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That's all a positive. And then
the next positive get them paid. You

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know, all for all these years, all these team sets were done by

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grandstand in choice, and I'm glad
they did them, but how must did

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the players get paid for that?
And if they can get paid to be

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in the team sets, to me, that's a win, even if it

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boosts the price of the set from
ten dollars to fifteen or twenty dollars at

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the concession stands, It's okay,
yeah, because the players are getting paid,

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and then you know, and then
yes, it will be like everything

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else. Most of them won't make
it, but allow them end up with

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Hey, their families want their cards
or the local people of their cards.

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So I'm in favor of that,
and i'd like and to me, that's

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something we haven't discussed yet, and
that's something I just thought about. We

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don't know where that's going. Yeah, No, that's very true. As

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someone goes as someone that has about
fifteen minor league teams about an hour and

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a half away and is a is
a season take it older and a regular

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Hickory Crawdat games. You know,
I like to see it. I like

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to see what's going on in the
minor league level and stuff like that.

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So there are some major leaguers that
they're able to sneak in too, because

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I don't know why or what the
rules are for the exact system that they

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use. But I know Massa Taka
Yoshida from the Red Sox is on there,

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and somehow this is the one that
surprises me. But Bobby Wood Juniors

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and this set, I'm sure there's
more that have been called up as well.

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Right, But if you're if you're
called up after the cards are produced,

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you're not. You're not as things
that happens all the time with pro

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debut or heritage miners, you are
not yet in the majors when the card

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is produced. Yeah, I agree
with you, But the other people.

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It's like they weren't in the majors
at that time. So I get that.

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Yeah. And by the way,
Ziggy, I agree with the charity

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thing as a person who has read
the show for his synagogues nonprofit for many

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years. Right now, I gotta
in fact that it's one of the things.

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And we'll go back to the Fanatics
chat with this. I gotta DM

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the other last week, can you
come to the store and pick up we

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have a donation for you? And
I went my good friend Raymond, and

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we picked it up and pour Raymond
to two loads of stuff into the office

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and it's really good. I've even
seen some cards that had my price stickers

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on them, so that was kind
of humorous. Nice. Yes, But

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so I asked him because we got
there before the store opened, right and

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I asked him and he and he
told me, a, I'm getting stuff

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from distributors. So the Fanatics letter
really didn't affect me that way. But

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he had spoken to a bunch of
other store owners and he had said not

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one store owner who was one hundred
percent with the Fanatics letter. Everyone had

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some major objection to it. Going
back to my point that it's hard to

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tell store owners what to do.
Yeah, oh yeah, no, definitely,

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definitely. It's not something that they
that they like to be told.

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Like I said, it's their store. There's never been this type of stuff.

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There's a lot of change happening,
so well, I guess we'll see

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what happens on that end. I'm
sure probably by next week those terms of

408
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,799
service will be out and hopefully everyone
next we can provide an update or something

409
00:30:02,079 --> 00:30:06,599
along those lines on this. But
we'll move on to a couple other topics

410
00:30:06,599 --> 00:30:11,440
that we've got today that we're talking
about earlier. One big one that's going

411
00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:17,400
around right now, and this was
a rumor from upper Deck's website, and

412
00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:22,759
we'll see what happens with it if
it's true or not. But upper Deck

413
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:29,000
removing Lebron James from their Exclusive Athletes. He has been removed from their Exclusive

414
00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:33,279
Athletes page and is listed only as
an upper Deck athlete and no longer as

415
00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:38,039
an exclusive I mean, leading many
people to believe that he is no longer

416
00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:45,079
an exclusive now. If he me
personally, if this was a website mistake,

417
00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:47,839
I would have thought it was already
fixed as up an hour ago.

418
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,359
It was not, So he's still
not on there. Even after all the

419
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:59,039
confusion. But this has a pretty
big impact on the hobby in general,

420
00:30:59,119 --> 00:31:03,519
especially his market, because if he's
no longer an exclusive, it changes everything.

421
00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:07,640
Once he's retired, licensed cards can
still be made, things like that,

422
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,680
All right, what can still be
done? So what do you guys

423
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:17,000
think about Lebron possibly being, you
know, no longer an upper deck exclusive

424
00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:22,039
athlete. Everybody's ready for those Lebron
James and Brownie James dual autograph cards that

425
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,400
they are, that they are and
interesting. Note a Clutch employee, he

426
00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:33,519
did which Clutch Management helps Brownie and
Lebron. It's Lebron's company, Clutch Management.

427
00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:38,079
One of their executives just left and
went to work in athlete relations at

428
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:45,839
Fanatics. So there is a Clutch
Management and Fanatics connection already, as he's

429
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:52,319
literally working in athlete management. So
at one million cups, I completely agree.

430
00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:55,839
I thought it was a twenty year
deal as well. I think if

431
00:31:55,839 --> 00:32:00,519
anyone can get out of it,
it's probably Lebron. Those deals are normally

432
00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:06,000
pretty ironclad. They're you know,
normally considered almost lifetime deals in a way,

433
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,200
and it was gonna really change his
market forever. But what I mean,

434
00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:15,640
it's going to be interesting because this
is if this is able to happen,

435
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,960
he'll be able to sign his tops
chrome rookie for example. He can't

436
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,079
do that right now. There's a
lot of stuff that he'll be able to

437
00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:27,640
do. So I don't know,
quite interesting. I don't know. You

438
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,920
know, what do you think rich
about these exclusives where after they retire,

439
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,599
you know you can't produce the cards
because it's affected a lot of people before.

440
00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:38,440
Well, it's interesting, and I
want to just go on a different

441
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:43,480
point before I talk about that,
is that Max just pointed about Upper Deck

442
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:45,319
without Jordan, they have nothing.
Well that's not really true. They have

443
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:50,759
hockey. There's actually a big article
that if you read yah who News this

444
00:32:50,839 --> 00:32:54,079
week talked about how Upper Deck works
with the NHL and they signed I believe

445
00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:59,000
they're gonna have the NHL contract for
several more years. But how they work

446
00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:02,079
with the NHL T get various artifacts
from the draft and from other places.

447
00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:06,079
And if somebody says this is going
to the Hall of Fame, Upper deext

448
00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:07,319
says, go right ahead, it
goes right to the Hall of Fame.

449
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:12,480
Yeah, yeah, so Jordan,
just as just so you know, Michael

450
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:15,119
Jordan's brother worked. I don't know
if he's still there, but he worked

451
00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:17,960
for Upper Deck for many years.
Yes, and he was actually, from

452
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,279
what I was told, a really
really good at his job. And his

453
00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:24,960
job was not being Michael Jordan's brother. His job was a job, and

454
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,599
he was a very good you know, he was a very good upper level

455
00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:34,000
and a very good upper level employee. So let's so this is so if

456
00:33:34,119 --> 00:33:37,240
Lebron, if that is a move
to get Lebron to fanatics slash tops,

457
00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:42,240
that makes that is part of a
historical part in the hobby. I mean,

458
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,960
yeah, I live in Dallas,
Mavericks. We lost Jayleen Brunson to

459
00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:51,119
the Knicks this year down here,
brutal last year. Jaylen Brunson's dad is

460
00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:54,519
a Knick's assistant coach. Tell me
how that wasn't planned? Right? Yeah,

461
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:59,519
you know. Danny Manning, Danny
and the Miracles led Kansas to the

462
00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:02,200
eighty eight NCAA Championship. One of
the greatest games you'll ever see. It's

463
00:34:02,319 --> 00:34:06,279
yeah, you can still watch it
on YouTube. It is an amazing game.

464
00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:12,280
Ye gee, amazingly. Ed Manning
was the assistant coach for I believe

465
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,920
it was Larry Brown. You know, edge, how does Danny get there

466
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:22,599
without Ed beating there? I mean, it's it's it's normal business things.

467
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:28,199
So that makes a lot of sense. And I'm a big fan of Hey,

468
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,760
if they can get us Lebron James
signed Cavaliers cards, signed Heat cards,

469
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,199
signed Laker cards, Hey Lebron James
relic cards. You know, even

470
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:43,119
if they're just number two his uniform
number whatever it was at the time,

471
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,239
or fifty or twenty five, it's
something that could almost become a chase.

472
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:52,760
I mean, then you could have
really the logo man card of Lebron with

473
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,880
the real with real jerseys and real
patches. Yeah. No, absolutely,

474
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,920
Matt says hockey is and enough to
sustain their business. I would agree with

475
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,719
that. But they have a ton
of other amazing exclusive athletes outside of Jordan

476
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,320
that they can do, and they
have their hands and quite a few other

477
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:15,360
things. But hockey is a pretty
strong market. It's a very it's it's

478
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:20,280
much more of a collectible and much
more of a true collector's hobby, I

479
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,599
would say, than most sports.
But it is a strong market and it's

480
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,280
been one of the big things that's
been supporting them for a long time.

481
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,639
Outside of their work with exclusive athletes
that they have, you know in their

482
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:39,039
lineup, which unfortunately or unfortunately for
them, fortunate for us as I would

483
00:35:39,039 --> 00:35:45,719
absolutely love to see the Hobby with
Lebron James having some tops Chrome cards again

484
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,760
Lebron James, like you said,
having some relics that the Brownie Lebron duels.

485
00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:54,599
I would be interested. I wouldn't
be chasing them, but I would

486
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,800
love the entertainment of watching the Hobby
chase them. So I hope they get

487
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:05,920
there. But Upper Decks, as
the chat is mentioning, Upper Deck,

488
00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:08,360
you know, has been in the
news a little bit lately. They posted

489
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:15,199
it again on LinkedIn the other day
that the upcoming Lord Khanna set. They

490
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:20,840
have a lawsuit going on right now
and are suing the producers of Lord Kana

491
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,599
and one of their former employees,
saying that they pretty much took the design't

492
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,920
win over to these guys. Forget
their name, I'll pull it up right

493
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,599
now, and then decided to release
the game under a different name, so

494
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,480
it'll be interesting to see. I
don't know if there's been in an announcement,

495
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:43,719
if that's been pulled or anything.
I know it comes out late August.

496
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,679
I think the twenty third of August
that comes out. Um, but

497
00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:50,880
I don't know what do you guys
think? Do you think that Lorcana game?

498
00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:53,679
What happens with that? Upper Deck? I will tell you feels very

499
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,840
I did not find it on a
quick search, but upper Deck must feel

500
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:04,000
very comfortable because Jason posted on LinkedIn
all of it. That's where That's where

501
00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:07,480
I saw it. That's where I
saw it was on linked you're posting about

502
00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:10,400
it, you feel comfortable. Yeah, that's something to remember. You know

503
00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:14,519
again, I do not know any
of the details, so I'm not going

504
00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:16,920
to get into any weeds on it. Yeah, yeah, I just know

505
00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:22,199
that if you're posting that you've got
a suit and you want to publicize that

506
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,360
you've got a suit against them,
but you probably feel you have one heck

507
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:29,880
of a good case. No,
I completely agree, especially if you're posting

508
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:34,039
on somewhere like LinkedIn and stuff like
that where it's like more business people than

509
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:36,440
anything are going to be seeing it. Because that's where I saw it.

510
00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:40,840
Rich A multiple posts about it for
multiple different people. So, like Zigga

511
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,800
says, I think they do have
a good case against them, I'm gonna

512
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,440
be interested to see it. Would
take it would take a very strong case

513
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,119
for a judge or a judge that's
just a little trigger happy to halt the

514
00:37:53,199 --> 00:37:57,199
release. I think, I think
it would be very tough to do that,

515
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:00,800
But maybe they've got a strong enough
case with that Lorcana. I'll tell

516
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:07,440
you from someone that that works.
Every single collecticon, that Lorkana set has

517
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:13,480
been massively hyped and people have been
excited about it for a very very long

518
00:38:13,559 --> 00:38:16,599
time. At every collecticon we go
to, I see the promos, I

519
00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:22,000
see tons of people talking about it, like that's a set that a lot

520
00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:27,360
of people were anticipating. Brodie,
how do I wanted to ask you along

521
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:32,840
those lines, how does you know
the younger generation look at stuff like Kako

522
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,519
Hour or however do you say it
more comments and sets like that? You

523
00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:39,239
know what I mean? Are they
are they into that type of stuff?

524
00:38:39,559 --> 00:38:45,440
Or is that more geared towards some
of the nostalgia collectors right now? Do

525
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,679
you think I would think more towards
the nostalgia collectors? Um, I think

526
00:38:50,679 --> 00:38:54,760
a lot of upper deck stuff maybe
more towards the nostalgia collectors. I think.

527
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,719
I mean, there are some kids
that like hockey. I'm not saying

528
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,960
our kids that like hockey. But
I mean, um, when you have

529
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:07,119
hockey and you have good win champions, I think a lot of kids might

530
00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:12,840
uh you know collect as much Upper
Deck. Yeah, no, yeah,

531
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,400
I completely agree. ZIGGYO says will
probably settle up, a deck, could

532
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:20,920
get paid, will kind of go
forward, maybe a revenue share, vintage

533
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,320
car collector, basically saying the exact
same thing that that's what I could see

534
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:30,079
happening as well. I don't think
it's it's halted. Um, I mean

535
00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:34,800
unless less upper Decker really wants to
try and fight something. But I think

536
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,679
a settlement's probably what's going to happen
with that. But quite interesting and shows

537
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:43,960
you the value of that ip that
companies have. Right when Panini was just

538
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,880
broken into a lot of intellectual property, a lot of product designs, things

539
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,519
like that are probably on those hard
drives. That's that's valuable Stoffe. I

540
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:57,960
mean, that's the future of a
hobby. So I just want to point

541
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,639
out I saw young John Broschi post
in the chat, and since we always

542
00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:05,000
like to talk about the National,
maybe not for the whole show, but

543
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,159
since you know his family has been
running The National for more than twenty five

544
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:14,079
years. Yes, we We're honored. We have whatever your official term is,

545
00:40:14,159 --> 00:40:17,039
Brodie, but we have we have
you in our in our cast today.

546
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:22,039
So as one of our hosts.
So tell us what your National role

547
00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:24,519
is right now and what you're looking
forward to. So I am one of

548
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:30,400
National's official correspondence and I am going
to be helping him this year with the

549
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:35,440
auction, and I have some tickets
to give away. I'm super excited for

550
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,760
the National this year. It's in
my backyard. I'll be posting about it

551
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:44,000
all year, super excited. National
is gonna be awesome, super excited,

552
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,719
were posting about it. Yeah,
it's gonna be awesome, super excited.

553
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,599
Nice. Yeah, We've actually also
got some tickets to give away as well.

554
00:40:51,639 --> 00:40:54,599
They're up on let me get that
potograph socials right now. So if

555
00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:58,199
you want to go to the National, jump on in. That's awesome.

556
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,519
And are you're going to be set
up with him again? Yeah, I

557
00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:07,760
Wonder's ambassador for the National YEP and
they're the YEP, the sponsors and everybody

558
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,000
like that. Tim Signatures for soldiers
always fun. I always love going to

559
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:14,480
that booth because I get to see
you and Tim all at once. I

560
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:16,800
get to see how much taller you've
gotten and how much bigger you are than

561
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:21,000
me. Our share, it's going
to be a lot bigger this year.

562
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:24,679
But going forward to it. And
you know, and I always Tim always

563
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:30,199
made sure when I was doing prizes
and giveaways and cards at my synagogue show.

564
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,199
Now that we have a smaller show, I don't have to do that

565
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,920
anywhere. But Tim was always very
nice and always gave us some very nice

566
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,960
prizes to as a donation. So
he was not only taking stuff in,

567
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,280
but he also was very giving and
I always thank him for that. Yeah,

568
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,800
that now, I'm definitely looking forward
to it. So guys, if

569
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,639
we wrap everything up, of course, guys, if you'd like to call

570
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,440
in and join the show, please, we've got the link. I'll put

571
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,360
it again in the comments right here
for you if you'd like to call in,

572
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,320
if there's anything that you'd like to
ask, come safe please, we'd

573
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:06,599
love to have you join. But
guys, before we wrap everything up,

574
00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:10,840
there's one thing that's been kind of
at least captivating a lot of the hobby.

575
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,079
He not necessarily the sports card market, even though I've seen a lot

576
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:22,239
of sports card shops and breakers buying
a lot of this product up but the

577
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:27,199
Lord of the Rings Magic the Gathering
set that came out had the one of

578
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:34,039
one Magic one Ring to Rule them
All card that everyone was looking for that

579
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:37,000
had a bounty put out on it, a million dollar bounty put out on

580
00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:44,239
it. Beckett had an absolutely insane
package if you pulled it with a really

581
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,920
cool custom label. I was hoping
to see. But the one of One

582
00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:52,280
was pulled, it was graded by
PSA and the chase is over now.

583
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,199
But what do you guys think about, you know, not necessarily the card

584
00:42:55,239 --> 00:43:00,159
itself, I'd like to know,
you know, which you know, what

585
00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:01,800
you guys think about the set and
everything like that, But what do you

586
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:06,840
guys think about bounties because we're seeing
a lot of them pop up now on

587
00:43:07,639 --> 00:43:10,599
just about every big card. You
know that the Drew Jones, for example,

588
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,360
was one of the recent ones,
and then you had the Nash Cards

589
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,239
bounty for the card that was that
had Nash Cards written on it and stuff

590
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,639
like that. What do you guys
think about bounties in the hobby and the

591
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:28,199
attention that this card has gotten because
it's it's everywhere. In a sense,

592
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,599
everything is a bounty and we're publicized. You know, some people think it's

593
00:43:31,639 --> 00:43:36,440
gambling. It is like winning the
lottery, but done right, it's like

594
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,000
winning. It's like when I and
I remember when I was in beck in

595
00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:44,519
the nineteen eighty nineteen ninety eight,
I got a ton of phone calls,

596
00:43:44,519 --> 00:43:47,400
and in those days, it was
phone calls about the McGuire Sosa home run

597
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,639
Chase. A matter of fact,
there was like two weeks where I couldn't

598
00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:52,639
get any work done not having so
many phone calls. I was like,

599
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:58,679
guys, cover me for these two
weeks. I'm literally giving phone calls after

600
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,519
phone calls because I'm one of the
three people who can talk about things officially

601
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:06,239
for Beckham. And my point at
the time was that the home run chase

602
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:14,039
and these home run balls were literally
something that were fan available. We get

603
00:44:14,039 --> 00:44:16,519
a ball into the stands, you
caught the ball, you catch the ball,

604
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:20,559
you make the money. At nineteen
sixty one, and met a fan

605
00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:24,199
by the name massal Gurante caught Roger
Marris's sixty first home run ball and got

606
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:30,760
all the five thousand dollars because a
restaurant owner named Sam Gordon in California who

607
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,679
understood put a five thousand dollar bounty
on that ball. There was one guy.

608
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,039
He ended up with McGuire's seventieth homer
ball and Todd McFarland overpaid, and

609
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:43,119
he told you at the time he
overpaid, but he had. But he

610
00:44:43,159 --> 00:44:45,159
had a business reason to overpaid,
because he wanted to be, you know,

611
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:52,400
get a license for his McFarland stuff
to be licensed by all the sports

612
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:53,920
people, and he wanted to show
he was a serious sports person, not

613
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:59,199
just a comic book artist. So
he paid three million dollars. In a

614
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,360
sense that bounty two. This is
a different type of bounty, but it

615
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:07,480
gets interest. And anything that gets
interest is to me something that helps the

616
00:45:07,559 --> 00:45:10,639
hobby. And yeah, is it
a former gambling, Yes, but it's

617
00:45:10,679 --> 00:45:15,679
something done right everybody can get.
Yeah. Ziggy No asked the question in

618
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:20,280
regards magic and be interesting to see
if boxes go down in price. Why

619
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,159
didn't they use Beckett? I think
probably. I mean the Beckett package was

620
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:30,679
amazing. The custom label looked beautiful. You gotta one of the big custom

621
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:37,280
one card like super Protector Zion cases
with a gorgeous decorated front, airplane tickets

622
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,559
boxes, all this stuff. I
think it was just pulled by a dedicated

623
00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:45,719
PSA collect someone that was a PSA
grade or probably through and through. I

624
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:50,760
think it is probably who pulled it, because there's no video of it being

625
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,400
pulled, so obviously it was a
personal box that no one was recording,

626
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:58,920
or at least they haven't released a
video of it, so unless you know,

627
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,400
maybe they have shops security cams if
it was opened up in a shop,

628
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:06,000
but doesn't look like there's a big
video on it, seems like it

629
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:09,920
was just pulled. David Adams was
actually the ones that announced that it had

630
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,880
been found, so apparently they didn't
even post it to social media. They

631
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:19,840
went right to the people putting out
the bounties. But I don't know why

632
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,320
they did. I would have loved
to have seen it in the Beckett slab

633
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,039
because the mock up looked really cool. But at least we have, you

634
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:28,239
know, the mock up to look
at. But I like dufex Is of

635
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,800
Life's idea. We need a reality
TV show on card bounty hunters. I

636
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:37,800
love it. And throw out some
some bounties on some stuff that's out there,

637
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,920
whether it's cards, memorabilia or whatever
it is, and uh go chase

638
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,440
them down. And in a sense, we've been chasing bounties for a long

639
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:50,199
time. Yeah, we don't know
where Bobby Thompson's home rumble. We've never

640
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,280
actually that was, you know,
the giants when the pennant, the giants

641
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,159
when the pennant. If you haven't
seen that, then you're young. Then

642
00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:59,199
you're much younger than me, and
probably even much younger than Brody Um.

643
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,840
But nobody Leland's put a million dollar
bounty on that ball a few years ago.

644
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,880
They never paid, and it wasn't
that they wouldn't have paid it never

645
00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:13,719
nobody can conclusively proof that is the
ball, you know, and baseball has

646
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,039
done some very smart things in recent
years. You know, when you know

647
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:21,280
there's going to be event, they
put special markings now on certain balls so

648
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:27,000
you can make throve that certain balls
are from certain Oh and that's and that's

649
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:30,039
very smart. No big time,
Zak, you real fast. I'm pretty

650
00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:34,960
sure. And I know for a
fact, dealing working with Jim meant that

651
00:47:35,079 --> 00:47:38,079
when it comes to big cards like
that PSA a lot of times doesn't cost

652
00:47:38,119 --> 00:47:45,239
as much degrade as um as you
would think at all. That they make

653
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:51,960
exceptions on cards like that all the
time in terms of pricing talk the card

654
00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:57,280
hunter, as Logan says, there
you go. Um, I completely agree.

655
00:47:57,559 --> 00:48:02,000
But yeah, so it's uh,
it's gonna be interesting. Drewe.

656
00:48:02,039 --> 00:48:06,639
I think you also wanted to talk
about the new tops Chrome Baseball product.

657
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,360
Yes I did, Yeah, I
did, absolutely, Um, and I

658
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:14,119
wanted to know your guys opinion on
this. Tops Chrome came out, they

659
00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:17,559
well didn't come out, but they
finally dropped the cell sheet and Brody,

660
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:22,519
I know you're somebody that loves tops
Chrome Baseball two. I want to know

661
00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:27,079
your your opinion on this. Um
Uh, Dan Rich as well obviously,

662
00:48:27,159 --> 00:48:34,000
but they dropped the autos down from
two to one and from five to three

663
00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:37,800
for Jumbo, yet they're leaving in
the veteran autos. What do you think?

664
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:42,159
What do you think about the new
tops Chrome announcement here? Well,

665
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,639
it's a very debatable situation. But
I go back to I think it was

666
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:52,880
twenty twenty prison Football. They dropped
from three autos to two autos and those

667
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,119
boxes. People still buy prison Football. They buy it like crazy, and

668
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,119
it's a pretty good product. It's
still a pretty good product. And I

669
00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:07,519
think that the main thing here is
that Tops Chrome. I see so many

670
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:14,639
relief picture rookie autos and as long
as you have a better quality checklist on

671
00:49:14,679 --> 00:49:17,719
the autos. This will be fine
if you leave veterans in okay, but

672
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:22,000
we gotta get rid of some of
the pictures. Yeah, there's gonna be

673
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:23,599
something. There's gonna be some pictures. There's gonna be some starters. But

674
00:49:23,679 --> 00:49:28,559
the rookie relief pitchers have the goal. Rookie relief pitchers have the goal.

675
00:49:28,639 --> 00:49:31,000
You gotta shorten the checklist a little
bit. The prices are going to probably

676
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:35,360
stay the same. That's kind of
how hobby's always been. They don't like,

677
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,960
really, it's never been like we're
gonna drop autos, so the price

678
00:49:38,039 --> 00:49:40,719
is gonna go down. No,
that's not how it works, but it's

679
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:45,960
never it's worked so well. And
also, hey, guys, don't forget

680
00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:52,400
we've got the amazing and unknown taco
fractor to chase. My god, we

681
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,679
have no idea what it is.
It's not listed with the regular parallels.

682
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,199
It's listed as a separate card with
only five copies, so no one knows

683
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:06,559
if it's a parallel, or if
it's an insert, or what it's going

684
00:50:06,639 --> 00:50:10,000
to be. But I don't know, a little underwhelming teas with a taco

685
00:50:10,159 --> 00:50:14,920
fractor. I don't know. I
do want to point out that they're also

686
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:21,119
continuing the MVP promotion. Yes they
are, and there's I believe five cards

687
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:25,480
from the MVP buy back in this
year's set that are signed by Judge and

688
00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:30,000
Goldschman. Hopefully they chose some of
the low numbered cards that were sent in,

689
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:34,239
you know, like the people that
sent a golden or something to really

690
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,519
get some money on a hobby box. Hopefully they use five cards like that,

691
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:43,400
not five base but there are some
of that. And yeah, so

692
00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:46,920
don't throw away of those bass cards
because well at least of the guys that

693
00:50:47,079 --> 00:50:51,840
might win MVP, maybe a Rayas
and a couple other people I would keep.

694
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:57,679
But yeah, they are doing the
MVP buy back again. But this

695
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:02,440
just tells me that they're overprinting it
like crazy. Last year, I had

696
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:08,719
bought some tops blaster boxes and it
was wonderful. I went to my local

697
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:13,719
cards store Triple Cards. They were
participating in it, and I handed them

698
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,960
three Judge and Goldsment cards and got
sixty dollars a store crape. It was

699
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:22,199
awesome, and it was wonderful because
they were doing a secret Santa trade and

700
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:27,119
I'm happy to participate in that because
I'm a big fan of Secret Santa,

701
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,159
which is a different subject, and
I'm going to give them a little pub

702
00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:32,079
In addition to the Dallas Card Show
in a couple of weeks, the Triple

703
00:51:32,119 --> 00:51:37,039
Card Families Stores is doing a Christmas
in July thing next week, and I'm

704
00:51:37,039 --> 00:51:39,960
excited about that. And they have
some some prizes. I'm told that are

705
00:51:40,039 --> 00:51:44,920
thousands of dollars. So I'm all
in on that. And I was happy

706
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,159
to talk about that, you know, in promoting that along with the Dallas

707
00:51:47,159 --> 00:51:52,280
Card Show, you know, in
my mailing list, and but I wanted

708
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,639
to point out that all of a
sudden, it was like, Hey,

709
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:59,519
I know who I'm getting is my
Secret Santa person. He's actually given me

710
00:51:59,519 --> 00:52:01,400
a couple of donations in the past. So they said, try to go

711
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,920
over if you Kenna said, okay, I'm gonna go over. I found

712
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,840
out later that the box I got
him had he opened it with his son

713
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:13,480
on Christmas Day and got the case
sit. So let me talk about things

714
00:52:13,519 --> 00:52:16,000
working out well. But that,
you know, that was exciting. You

715
00:52:16,039 --> 00:52:21,159
know, I didn't have to pay
for that box. I gave him.

716
00:52:21,199 --> 00:52:24,119
Yes, these redemption cards so to
speak, I'll called redemption card. I

717
00:52:24,159 --> 00:52:29,360
know it's not a redemption exchange cards. They paid for his secret Santa,

718
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,599
so I was a big fan.
No. I love the buyback programs and

719
00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:39,000
I hope they continue to implement stuff
like that into future things and not limited

720
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:44,599
to just the MVPs and things like
that. But I do think that they're

721
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,239
this is just showing that they're printing
a whole lot of this and I was

722
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,480
really hoping, you know, with
Bowman Sapphire this year they cut the print

723
00:52:51,559 --> 00:52:54,480
run. The boxes were you know, a lot more loaded. The print

724
00:52:54,519 --> 00:53:00,039
run was cut quite a bit.
And tops Chrome is iconic, gets legendary

725
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:05,000
in any sport, and I don't
want to see it get too watered down.

726
00:53:05,079 --> 00:53:07,280
I don't want to see the sonic, the cosmic and all that stuff.

727
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:12,400
I want to see it hold its
recognition and you know, stuff that

728
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,000
it deserves. But it feels like
it's being printed now to the point a

729
00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:20,440
Series one or Series two where it
used to be a lot different. But

730
00:53:20,639 --> 00:53:24,000
um, Brodie, what do you
are You still excited about tops Chrome?

731
00:53:24,159 --> 00:53:28,039
You're still you know, looking forward
to it. I know there's a lot

732
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:31,000
of cool new inserts, autographs and
things like that in it too. Yeah,

733
00:53:31,039 --> 00:53:35,000
I'll be excited to do some packs, so the day will we rip

734
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,280
And I also saw that if there
was I don't think this is gonna happen

735
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:43,880
this year, but hopefully going forward
they do this again. Um that if

736
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,239
back to back MVP. So if
Judge won the MVP, a goat or

737
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:50,880
gold, which I don't think either, those are gonna happen sadly, but

738
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,400
hopefully in the future. Otani,
you could definitely do this. It would

739
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:59,239
be forty dollars for the bass card, which would be really awesome. That

740
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,679
that'd be awesome to go. Tani
is definitely one that could do that for

741
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:06,719
sure, so that would be really
cool. Would double all the values,

742
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,559
so that'd be cool. Yeah,
No, I completely agree. And like

743
00:54:09,559 --> 00:54:14,280
I said, it gives you another
another thing to chase in the cards,

744
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:19,960
something that's readily available, and it
it gets you in with a card show,

745
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,599
a card shop. It gets you
to where you're going into the shops

746
00:54:22,599 --> 00:54:28,320
as opposed to doing everything online.
So I think that that is, you

747
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:32,320
know, a great thing for the
hobby. I love these MVP buybacks,

748
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:37,000
but you know, it is what
it is. You know, it's something

749
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:40,079
interesting. But yeah, it was
a disappointment to see them drop the autos.

750
00:54:42,159 --> 00:54:45,480
I agree with you, Brodie a
thousand percent. Get their gunna drop

751
00:54:45,519 --> 00:54:49,840
the autos. They need to also
cut the checklist some or at least beef

752
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,519
to checklists up. I haven't seen
a lot of trout in in tops Chromeme

753
00:54:53,639 --> 00:54:57,480
lately, you know what I mean. I haven't seeing get some of these

754
00:54:57,639 --> 00:55:00,920
better players, get people like a
right Luisa Rayez, some of the better

755
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:07,639
players to sign and get some of
these relief pitchers and you know obvious just

756
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:12,880
filler album. Let's see before we
go. Thanks Matt City Brew. Yes

757
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,840
you have a good weekend as well, and a happy Fourth of July.

758
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:21,920
Ziggy asking why not pizza sushi fractors? Hey, maybe don't give away their

759
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:27,519
seat Christopher twenty twenty four and twenty
twenty five. Zikky, but we'll see

760
00:55:27,519 --> 00:55:31,800
what a taco fractor is here soon. But all in for the sushi fractor

761
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:36,559
now, I am. Hey,
I'm if we're going taco fractor, I'm

762
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:38,079
in for the sushi fractor. I
don't even know what it is yet.

763
00:55:38,159 --> 00:55:43,119
We speculated on let me get that
photograph. Maybe it's literal and it's a

764
00:55:43,159 --> 00:55:45,960
card that you could actually fold like
a taco and then you could pull a

765
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:50,559
chrome Mini out from the inside.
I'd love it, it'd be fun,

766
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:57,960
but sadly I don't think they had
near the engine for that. So the

767
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,199
top of the hours or anything else
we want to talk about or done,

768
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:06,559
I think we're probably good to wrap
up on there. I'm going to celebrate

769
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,840
a fun time with my son this
afternoon. Um. I hope everybody has

770
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:15,719
a good Fourth of July. Anybody
got it in good fourth of July plans?

771
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,880
Uh, stay safe, have a
lot of fun. Um. Brodie

772
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,760
had a baseball end up. I
meant to ask you or did you finish

773
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,639
up baseball or are you still playing? Oh? Yeah, I finished up

774
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:29,639
high school on the travel ball halfway, so I still got four tournaments left.

775
00:56:29,679 --> 00:56:32,559
So yeah, we got We got
about four or five travel ball for

776
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:37,440
us as well for Jude. Um. So well, good job on it,

777
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:40,239
Good luck with all those. Thanks
everybody for tuning in. Of course

778
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:45,639
you can catch us every single Saturday
at eleven am Eastern. We will be

779
00:56:45,679 --> 00:56:50,960
back next weekend with We're actually true, we're on Tuesday night as the first

780
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,079
Tuesday of the month. Yes,
as Rich said, first Tuesday of the

781
00:56:54,159 --> 00:56:59,280
month, so we will be on
on Tuesday. Since yes, It is

782
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,559
July first today, so we will
be on Tuesday as well. Make sure

783
00:57:02,599 --> 00:57:07,920
to check that out Tuesday evening and
then we'll be on of course our regular

784
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,880
Saturday shows, always on Benchlar Media
and the Hobby Hotline channels. If you'd

785
00:57:12,119 --> 00:57:15,800
win national tickets, I know a
lot of us here have a lot of

786
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:19,760
giveaways for them. We've got some
up on our socials now, so make

787
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,440
sure to check them all out.
But thank you guys so much for tuning

788
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,360
in, and we will see you
guys next week. See you later.