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the saxophone. Two things. First of all, if you haven't seen any
of the show yet, it's you know, the finale was last week,
and we're gonna be talking about things that definitely have some spoilers, so you
know, if you want to head into it reckless abandon, that's fine,
but there was your warning. We're gonna be talking about stuff that has happened
throughout the show. If you have any questions, feel free to drop them
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and our mods will do our best to grab it. We do have some
from the discord that we're already going to be working through. We're going to
try to hit all the questions today. We probably won't get to them all
we're gonna try our very best, but yes, welcome everyone. Oh wait,
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amazing. It does have the rule book in here, but also like little
envelopes that you can give to your players that have like case files and stuff
like that in there. And then yeah, it's very very in the newspaper
which was in the first film, which is very very cool. So yeah,
there's a lot of stuff in there, So go ahead and follow that
link to do that, and we'll announce that at the end of the stream
today. Okay, it's such an amazing rule book too, like the artwork
is just the way it's laid out, it's amazing. Okay, who wants
to go first? Okay, actually I have I know, I know,
I made charge. Oh my god, full panic. Okay, maybe you
should make a decision. Yeah, immediately, I'm out of bodies. Ye,
when I'm GMing, no problem, I make a million decisions. That
is a fraction like super fast quick all the time, Like okay, great,
but in my real life when I'm not in that mode, Nope,
forget it. What do you want for dinner? You're all star? Okay,
how about we start with the big one that was asked multiple times cast
and PB. What do you think happened to the surviving characters post show?
What do you think the epilogue is your head? Cannon? I don't care.
My character fucking died? Yeah? Or did he just pop out a
new one? Just squirt out a new character, no problem to the game
drama like repomatic and just I don't know. Here's the thing, right,
because of the way it works, you know, like the first time,
you know, like Galen kind of like got re redone after the crash,
he kind of still had the memories we assume of like all the stuff that
happened before. So what's stopping them from recovering his brain spoiling up another one?
And then he wakes up being tortured. Yeah, I shot him in
the head. Yeah. Ah, well, I guess not having any brains
helping to destroy that possibility. Yep, right again, never mind? Then
yeah, No, that's a good thought, though it's so difficult to say,
like where the because I'm thinking about that now, because it's such a
good question. I don't know if I really pondered it after like, oh,
because it was so final, right, I was like that was a
final episode, Like you know, the story afterwards is like, well the
fight is it's so far from over right. We were just allowed this this
very like relatively not a whole lot of time pass, but it felt like
a lot of time pass, right, But this was a very really short
glimpse into these really sad lives. Like every single story was like this is
this just sucks, This is just a sucky time. So I would like
to believe that really would happened with a lot of the characters was that there
was a reckoning and that they were able to at least somewhat somewhat For those
of us who were alive at the very end, were able to come to
grips with who they were, and they were able to like address things that
they had been like holding onto, like these really deep seated like this pain
and all this sadness, and at the end it was like you either accept
it, or you go mad, or or you're no longer with us.
And it was just like there's just so many different ways because each one of
us was so unique in how we handled the characters trauma. So I guess
it's it's hard because I'm not sure what Selma would have done after that,
but I think she probably, like if I had to say, for some
but personally, I think she would have had a bit of a paradigm shift,
especially after learning about Sawyer. I think that was her you know,
huge defining moment was in the very last moment of the show was I should
probably see this a bit differently. That surprised me by the way, right.
It did for me too, because it was kind of it was,
I think, much more impulsive than I had planned to play Selma, because
Selma really was setting true to her guns, but she did falter at the
end. She should shot Skiff. I mean, she should have shot Skiff
when when he was at her apartment. The she she didn't shoot him was
because it was a catch twenty two. It was because he showed up,
because because otherwise it was like, wow, you showed up knowing I was
probably going to kill you in that vein It's like now I can't Now,
I can't go through with it. I've been going on for a bit though,
But I think those are ultimately my thoughts right now. And I might
have more to say later. Yeah, sorry that I'm going to refresh right
now real quick. Did that work? Hello? Yes, that worked a
little bit. Sorry. We were able to luckily understand what you were saying.
It was just a little bit robotic, so I thought I would refresh
right now. Towards the end there it just got a little robody, But
you're good. I still understood everything that you were saying. Okay, cool,
do you think so? I actually have a follow up question to that
is because I when I originally thought about, like, oh, this would
be a cool scene to include in the finale, because I just want to
give you one extra hard choice. I just want to know what these characters
would do in the in the final episode. Are are you going to choose
to shoot Sawyer or attack or Swyer going to you know, choose to you
know, just like all of those things. But I if I had to
guess, I was like, oh, Selm will probably take him out.
That's just probably what would happen. But I think Bill changed that, Oh
yeah, because because I think she looked at Bill as a well as a
as a rock, right, but as an all as a constant, like
Bill was always going to be there, Bill taking such good care of himself.
His level of security was insane, so he really knew what he was
doing. So the fact that it was like he allowed himself to get caught,
And I think that's what bothered Selma the most. It was like you
knew, you knew. I told you you knew, and still you ended
up here and now I have to kill you because otherwise I'll straight up lose
my position, I'll lose everything that I have. And that's where it's like,
this is not like because this person was so like trusted and so like
you would never why would Bill be here? Bill died for the cause?
Like ultimately Bill died for the cause. And that's like, fuck, what
am I doing? What am I doing? If Bill's out here like dying
for this shit? So I think that's maybe where she was. But yeah,
it's a great point that pivot was very like oof. Yeah, it
surprised me. There's a quick question here. You didn't think she would go
after Nara PB. No, I did not. I did not, And
like in in my obviously I will yet yes and enroll with whatever is happening
in role play. But I assumed that Nara would walk out of the building
and then just never be seen from again. Because in my head, you
know, it's she's representing Corpos and in a dystopian Corpo reality, Corpos never
lose. They always win. So I was like, okay, but you
know, like someone else will go in and take her place, And it
felt like in that moment it was the first like real human decision arguably that
Sawyer could have made that couldn't be debated that being human. So I thought
it was really important and very cool. Yeah, anybody else have any thoughts
on where the surviving characters ended up? Yeah, but I don't want to
actually have a question for that, So it kind of it's more important for
uh, because I want to know about blythe really bad because I don't know
same, but also for Skiff, you know, and specifically talking about you
know that that you guys had and then after the fact, if there would
have been a reconciliation between the two, if it's possible that Selma and Skiff
would find a common ground later on, So if so, I think it
would have been years down the line. Yeah, I don't think it would
have been anytime soon. It would have been like after all of this shit
shook out. Never you know, the world calmed or our world calmed down
a little bit then maybe, But honestly, that was I think the last
time they spoke for a very long time, if at all. Yeah,
yep, yeah, yeah, okay. I had similar thoughts about that.
I was like, if they were to be seen again, or if they
were to see each other again, I imagine it's when they're both like retired
and like old Andy. It's just it's that whole Batman, you know,
Alfred moment where you see each other and then you not and then that's it
and they just don't down. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But when
she comes to your fucking senses and gets on the right side of history,
she's pivoting there. Eventually, it'll take her some time. Yeah. I
will say for Bob, he would have put he wouldn't have had a life
outside of the job, and he would have put so much time and effort
into assisting the underground as best as he could with information and anything else that
he could provide, and he would have just continued to do the job.
His shots would have missed while trying to go after replicants. I mean,
he would be throwing that side of the job fairly often, probably have to
wing them every now and then. But he wouldn't actively go to kill anybody.
And unless he was really forced into a situation where he had to apprehend
one, he wouldn't do it. He just he would try. And I
think that for Bob it would be Galen's memory would be something that would spur
him on. He would never let that sacrifice be in vain no matter what.
He would die first. So the longer he could work without being discovered,
and the more information he could funnel to protect these people. That's that's
just what he would have done. He never would have gotten married or anything
like that. No relationships, nothing, just the job. Wow. Oh
that's so sad but also so wildrunner. I love it. Does anybody else
have any thoughts about remaining live characters? Uh, it's an odd one for
me because you know, like in that one one shot, essentially r J
was freed right like you know, Quail like clicked his keyboard and was like
you no longer being tracked. So he is kind of off grid in many
ways, and for things I didn't like, you know, revealing character or
whatever, so I shall not reveal now, you know, like he's more
free than say most replicants who were there at the last episode. So yeah,
I don't know. I feel like because he's kind of he was spurred
all up by hatred and by revenge and that kind of thing, you know,
like obviously wanting to get back at you know, like the corpos and
stuff and at the lapd and at you know, it would have been something
like you know, key on his mind. However, at the same time,
it's like I can also kind of just live this life and kind of
understand what it is because at the end of the day, you know,
and I think I brought that to light a tiny bit, like, you
know, in that so I look, we at the end, you know,
like this hate that he has is also a hate that was programmed into
him, so should he act on it? So I think he would have
disappeared for a long time after that, you know, because like he'd done
this thing and you know, like now he has all this all the time
in the world, as it were, to like you know, understand or
at least to think, yeah, that is such a catch straw you too,
also where it's like, oh, I hate but is it because it
was designed to right yeah, so that's where he is. Yeah, I
don't know how much time Sawyer had left in the grand scheme of things overall,
but I know that where we left him off, you know, before
the credits, was having just killed a human in the L A p.
D. Which, you know, I think that's a very interesting same.
I can't actually an important I can't puzzle. I caun't puzzle how that how
that played out at all. So I'm really not sure it was really brutal.
I mean I think that that, like parsh part of it was like,
okay, maybe deserved. But also I don't know, and this is
just me presuming. Was Sawyer taking out anger like was Sawyer taking out anger
on Nara? Or was it like I'm killing you because you're like you're responsible?
I think in the moment it was u. The question that he killed
her on was are you going to make more like me? Are you going
to make more people like me? And I think she'd said anything in her
defense, like, you know, we won't do this cruel trick where they
don't know what they are, you know, like they'll know, they'll like
if she'd said anything to the effect of losing his mind. Oh, that's
all right. If she'd said anything to the effect of we're going to do
it differently, or you know, we've learned our lesson or what have you,
I think he might have made a different decision. But you know,
he right before they went to find Nara was he was like, Okay,
well, I guess you have to kill me because I don't want to be
a fucking hypocrite. I'm not going to like argue for my life. So
you know, he was going to, you know, in that moment,
so I was going to say, like, you know what you have to
do. And there was a moment earlier in the show where I recall some
said, you know, if it turned out I was one of these things,
i'd want you to shoot me. And I think that Sawyer had internalized
that and that's what he was expecting. I was definitely not expecting. No,
let's go get her, Like I don't expect we got we got let
her disappeared to the night my popcorn and be like, okay, let's see
what they say to each other. And then Speth was like, no,
let's go get her. And I'm like, okay, yes, yeah,
I don't believe that was the real Nara. I think that was clearly a
replicant of Nara, because Nara would be too smart to put herself in such
a dangerous situation. But that's this is just stupid, you know, fantom.
Yeah, but then it's not Then it's not real data. Yeah.
I think the interesting bit for me was the fact that I had taken the
decision that Sawyer crushed a glass in his hand and had this like these glass
shards basically ready to go, and then and then the opportunity came up.
I didn't plan that at all. That was just serendipity. Yeah. Yeah,
it was wild. That's the best thing about it. I loved it.
Yeah, I thought it was right. It's like, oh, man,
because you don't it's weird to be the player sometimes because you really really
want to. My dog is going on. I feel that now I'm just
gonna let her bark it out and I'll hold onto that thought. Okay,
Yeah, wasn't Wasn't Nara a clone? People are asking, yes, Nara?
I mean Nara was a test too baby of her mom. You know,
she was basically her her mother with very serious flaws because her mom wanted
to remain better than her child. Right. That's part of Nara's conversation was
like, yeah, okay, well I don't want to do that. I
want my children to be better than me. You should want your next generation
to have a leg up and whatnot. Okay, let's see here. The
skiff continued with a resistance and tried to use his relationship with nartists to kind
of be like, I mean, not her conscious but her hopefully her confident,
someone she can talk to from the you know, the human lapd side
and say like this, this will work, this won't This is the best
like moral choice that I can think of, you know that kind of shit,
like a like a what a concilieri? Yeah, yeah, it's good.
I'll actually address a couple of questions real quick since we're on the topic.
Some people had asked, uh, you know, why did Nara ask
Skift to get the data? Because Nara used to work at uh Tyrell and
then was let go from tyler Rell, right, so she no longer had
access to the data or to the program, So that's why she asked s
Gift to break in and get it. And also Nara worked on the original
beginning ideas of that program, but she wasn't actually there for the implementation or
any of that of the program. So she had a suspicion. I knew
they were working on this because I was in the you know, beginning stages
of working on it with them before I got let go, and I have
suspicions that they did do this and they implemented it, and that there's somebody
in the LAPD. So she didn't know for sure who was, or if
they had actually completed the program or if it was going to work or whatever.
But we know outside of you know, the show, that Wallace ends
up buying all and having all of Tyrell's assets and information and data, and
that they end up going on to make replicants. So I went, Okay,
well she's working for Wallace now, so we know that at some point,
you know, all the data gets taken. So that's kind of why
I did that, because it would make sense that they would need people that
previously worked at Tyrell before it went bankrupt. But just answering that question and
confusion, what was your thoughts, Beth, I was just going to say
that, Gosh, as as a player, you know, you really want
to make the right choice for your character and not just for like the moment
of oh, this is just good RP or this is a good show.
And so I think the last episode was really where it was like, Okay,
what what happens? What happens if someone with those kinds of morals and
that like like I guess like brick sense of like no, like that these
are mine and I'm not changing for anybody. What does that look like when
they have a total paradigm shift? And I guess that moment where like I
guess, I just wanted to expound on it a bit more. When Nara
tells Sawyer, you know, congratulations you passed the Blade Runner Replican program.
I think that that was like words that felt like just they couldn't sit,
like they didn't sit, because she was like, I don't believe it.
I don't believe it, but I also have been lied to, right,
like the I've been truthful the entire like the entire I've been trying my best,
my genuine best, and this entire department is a lie, like it's
just been completely cheap end Maybe, so I think that was for her it
was like okayoo, pivot, like hard, hard, hard pivot. We
need answers and we're going to get them now. Mm hmm. Yeah,
yeah, that was just sitting sitting around on the nugget, just because it
was like Nara too, you know, someone that that Selma really hadn't interacted
with a ton before, but but like through the grape vine kind of Okay,
I know who this I know this person is, and she's up to
some ship. I also thought there was a tiny bit of you took Skiff
from me and I'm gonna I want to see some justice, just a small
smidge. Yeah, Oh for sure, I think there could have been some
of that in there too, because she's still feeling like, well, I
lost Skiff. You know, we didn't shoot each other, but we're definitely
not uh you know, not squad mates as it were. So yeah,
lots of lots of like stuff outside. I just want to say, like
that for the very last scene, I said for Natalie, but I and
then I wanted to tag it with like and a little bit for Selma had
a little tiny even more than she already was. Yeah, I'm glad.
I'm glad we didn't shoot each other, you know, because really it was
like a okay, what is she didn't do? No, I'm just glad
okay, like you know, because really it was it was a fucked do
we have to make this hard decision? Do we have to come to grips?
And I think Peb, I think you were prepared for that. You
were like, Okay, I've got to like get this ready in case they
fucking kill each other. Yep, yep. So my main concern after you
did the party split was how do I allow there to be conflict and tension
and PvP without putting you in front of each other necessarily, because then somebody's
out for the final five episodes. So I was like, let's you know
those moments where it was like you guys were rolling to get clues to see
if you could find them. That allowed for that PvP tension to be happening,
but you know, also let's try not to and for the finale.
I was like, that's definitely going to be a possibility. I was not
prepared for Meyer an Zeke to sit out of the fight. I was that
shocked the shit out of me. I thought someone was going to die there.
I also think if either of them had been in that fight, Selma
would have died. Selma had one hip point left, y'all. It was
so terrifying. She was very almost dead, and I was prepared for that
also because it's like, you know what, this still is a finale,
so you know, if we die, you die, But that can I
just say also that we were presented with that being a path for every player
at the very beginning. Peb was like, guys, Peep was like,
okay, you could die, just letting you know that there's a lot of
choices you could make. You could end up dead. Your character could die,
and you could you'd have to do another thing and we'd have to,
you know, figure something out. But there was this threat of dying,
and I think that's very hard to do uh correctly and safely and comfortably on
RP, because you don't want to die. Oh my god. I didn't
want anybody did to fucking die on the show. I was just like,
don't no, no, no, no, why again with the death it's
just Game of Thrones but fucking Blade Runner. And that's hard to deal with
sometimes emotionally, where you're like I don't know what's coming, but I know
that everyone here is giving their their fucking best not to die right now.
They're giving their best to survive for the sake of RP because they're taking it
very seriously. I'm going off on another tangent, but I still feel like
Pebe you handled that like fucking royalty where it was just like thank you for
for allowing us to to take the improv route, but also, I don't
know, kind of keep us safe in summer cards. I think you definitely
helps, like like get us away from some bad choices, because I think
Selma could have made some terrible, terrible, terrible choices. And and I
just mean that in n RP, because I think everyone wanted to see everybody
survive, or at least likely you get invested in these characters. You want
to see the god. I mean, I still like the scream from from
Galen. It echo, it echoes in my head like rent free. I
got chills from that ship. It may I you don't mind. You can
pay channel points to get sound bites. Wow, this is this is uh,
this is Galen finding out now someone to Zeke. Yeah, it's if
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Glad you liked it. I'm glad you liked it because that was just that
was that was a real scream, not Galen. That was just from the
way that I felt at that time, which was, you know, dealing
with several existential crises and uh, you know, just trying to survive.
So that's where that scream came from. You're like, let me just real
quick, pull this from my soul. Actually, it made me feel better
by the way when I did it. That's also like cathartic. That's so
nice to everybody there you go. Speaking of good moments, this is also
a question what were some of your favorite Obviously not your favorite because that's stressful
to think about, but what are some favorites that come to mind moments from
the show or character growth. I have one it's very early on, when
it's before Sawyer came into the scene. So I'm sorry, Flick, but
there was a point where we all sat and had a conversation that was both
about the job, but it it felt like four partners having a conversation about
what needs to be done. But I really felt there was a nice,
comfortable moment. And this is more, I enjoyed this because of us as
role players. I felt like that was a really good moment where we'd had
enough time to see our characters and understand a little bit of who our characters
are. So we were just sitting at this this little place to get like
a coffee together before we were going to continue to do the job. It's
you know, it wasn't flashy, wasn't big, but we were all there
sharing the space and RP and having a good conversation and I just, I
don't know, I think it was just such a really nice, nice point
where I really recognized that we we'd gotten into a rhythm. It felt like
we were in a rhythm. We could we were picking up on each other's
you know, little pauses and directions we were going with with our arguments and
things like that just felt really good. Yeah. Actually that that gives me
a little heartache because when you say that, I think that was one of
the last times we might have all been together as a as like a squad,
was when we were just chilling getting coffee and then everything went to shit,
you know, and it's just like, oh, that sucks that there
was that normalcy and then then nothing like you're just a whole foundation just like
yeah, things ramped up. It was nice, but it was good.
Yeah, yeah, oh for sure. Yeah yeah, good moment. Yeah.
One of my favorite moments was when Whack twicsted the camera and goes,
I'm pregnant. Yeah. So so many gifts from that day they're perfect,
and I went pretty ham Yeah a lot of them are Whack looking directly into
the camera and saying something yeah, yeah, very very good. She was
so good. Since you since like, I'm sure I'm not the only person
who's like favorite moments. Usually, like you remember the moments that you're in
because you're in the moment and it really like stands on your memory. And
so I was like sitting here trying to think of, like, what was
my favorite moment that I wasn't in. Oh, like one of them has
to be, no question, without a doubt. Personality Higher, Yeah that
was the fun Quail caught up like, oh long time there was a person
higher. Yeah. It was when it was said and when you like I
got it. It was very very good and timing wise way past the point
and perfect, which is really hard to do. So yeah, it was
never really moment. But a little detail that I really appreciated was how obsessed
Aaron was on like a meta level with the squishy thing. It's like it
was like, somehow, somehow every character he played was connected to this goddamnt.
Imagine being me. Imagine being me knowing he's a fucking replicant and him
going, yeah, there's something about that fucking ball, you know, like,
and then the reps know and they know, and then the next episode
he still doesn't know he's a replicant. He goes, there's squishy. He
said it himself, and I went, okay, well so yeah, And
it was the next that was interesting, just because the squishy thing was you
know, when you're in the RP and the scenes going, your brain's running
and you're trying to continue to add to the RP, but also we're trying
to add details for the story and it's improv Shit just comes out. And
I don't remember specifically why we got to that conversation, but the idea that
the scenes are so staged they have to be right. So Tyrail is trying
to do this project and they're trying to be meticulous and I love the idea
that I found something they fucked up, well we fucked up, because you
know, Eagle was a part of that shit, and it just seemed like
such an innocuous sort of Oh, there's a little you know, stress reliever
ball, and it's not written down anywhere. Everything should be itemized, cataloged.
It should all be there, pictures, chairs, tables, food items
that they wake up to and go to get. All that stuff should be
there. And the squishy it's just the the the object that I landed on
that was the this was off. And then yeah, when it went to
the next episode, it felt right to add that in. But a big
part of that was just being cheeky and bringing it up again because I had
the opportunity to harp on it. It just and meanwhile I was like,
have no reaction, have no reaction, have no reaction, you know,
and you know I'd done that, and then you know, Myers r J
comes in and he goes, you know, it's not pink, it's gray,
and it was so good. It was so solidified at that moment,
like, oh my god, that character Eagle was right on some degree,
On some degree, he was right about the fact that it shouldn't have been
there, So can I add to that thought. I'm so sorry, but
this is a great example of all the little things you guys did in this
show in an improvised way that I think sometimes writers in a scripted situation of
like Hollywood would fail to include. That is a great example of somebody who's
in a bubble doing their little experiment being like, yeah, let's look at
him, a pink squishy and you're you're not aware of reality and what it's
really like. And then he goes, it's a gray one, like they
what somebody at the store or whatever went, there's no pink one. I'll
just grab a gray one. And it's just like just a small little note
of like how you can kind of get in your own bubble, have this
own idea of what the world is like, but you don't actually know because
you're not actually there in living it in the reality. So yeah, that
was very cool. Yeah, And the failing of humans to try and do
something perfectly which you can never do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it
was very good. I have a moment if nobody else has one before I
move on to the next question. It is. I was wrapping up the
episode I was literally about to roll credits and s Beth went wait and then
did the APB like she said, I'm going to turn them in and I
went, what holy shit? And then that that changed the directory of the
rest of the show and made it perfect. It was fucking phenomenal. And
I'm so glad Beth, not only that you had that idea, but that
you you felt comfortable enough to be like, wait, wait, wait,
I want to do this thing, and yeah, because I wasn't expecting that,
no one was expecting that, and and that's just what s Beth felt
Selma would do and it was great. Yeah, oh, thanks TB.
I think there's a book, there's a doggo. I definitely feel like it
was uh yeah, something she would do. But uh that was another like
player thing where you're like, okay, fuck, do I really want to
go against the like does PvP? Basically right, And I've never done that
before an RP, so that was also like completely you know new, So
thanks for thanks for letting me do that and rolling with it. Yeah,
and everybody rolled with it, man, Like I don't think we've done I
don't and I could just be wrong and forgetting we've had PvP moments, but
we haven't done the show where half like basically half of the show is the
team party split against each other. Like wow, and you guys just destroyed
it. I'll never forget that. I'll never forget this show and what you
guys never in the end or towards the end of a show. But I
think many of sorry, with like two teams becoming one but never breaking apart,
which it has been cool to see. It's it's strange to you because
speaking of someone speaking for someone who's done a lot of URP with a lot
of different groups since I was like fifteen years old, and like, like
fledgling groups are new our peers fall into this like this like antagonistic things sometimes
where it's like, you know, my character could beat up your character kind
of a thing and it or it always ends badly, Like one of the
first lessons I learned in like being an RP or like making an RP,
like GMing something is it would it always it usually benefits you to creative reason
why these people know each other and are in a relationship already, you know,
like meeting at a tavern is like the basic thing for for RP.
It's like, oh, you meet it at a tavern and you really hit
it off, Like like if you're playing your characters, you don't have that
happen a lot. And the pitfalls you fall into is is when people when
it comes down to PvP, shit falls apart man, and that's like,
didn't happen this time like people want to. I think it falls into that
sorry, sorry to cut you off, seeky. I feel like it it
falls under that hero of the story, the main character kind of mentality,
you know, you get that like, well, I play video games a
lot, and I'm the main character in every video game that I play.
I'm the main character of my life. And then and then it's like when
you have a show and you see everybody's camera when you sit down at a
table, when you see the other people at the table, that should be
your first big hint that you're not the main character. You know, like
there's other cameras on the s there's other people at the table. That's one
of the one of the one of the first lessons or lessons one of the
first things I say to anybody who's ever you know, come to me about
RP or anything like that. It's it's relish the opportunity to make others look
good. Yeah, yes, I think it's support care. There is fun,
It really is fun, and it's fun to fail. It is fun
to not win because creatively, it's something that allows you to really explore something
that most video games don't really let you do other than a game over screen.
No, no, because I'm winning in life all the time, right,
so I got to, you know, try and fail on the tables.
I know what it feels like, you know, but you know,
I think, you know, for this cast, everyone here definitely was very
aware and yeah, and I appreciate it. We were all very making sure
and checking up on each other because it is hard, especially for someone Sawyer
to turn heel essentially, even though even though from their perspective you could really
understand the logic even and I know, you know, Sawyer really, you
know, Flick you pushed really hard into this and it was wonderful. But
you look at who Flick was and what they've been trying to do, and
the fact that what comes out about them, it's almost like they were almost
set up to fail. They were doomed to fail. Yes, yes,
yes, yeah, Sawyer was doomed to fail. Even by succeeding, which
was it's such a deep concept and Flick, you did it great. And
that goes for everybody here. You know, we all had our moments of
failure where we had to deal with it. Yeah, it's just to kind
of compound on that. I think that that that was probably my favorite moment
is the when the division happened. I think when when when it was that
Selma and and sort of laughing, yeah, galing away get they Oh my
god, it was so good. I still remembering crazy one of the Like,
there's so many. I don't make a favorite. I'm sure you guys
are pretty similar, but like these moments, they keep popping up in your
head. So like the moment that the end of l the light, light
the candle, Yeah, that was good. And seeing Selma like I still
see that like clearly in my head, just like looking directly at her light
the candle and just staring back at her. Yeah, that was like that
was the moment where it was like we're done, We're done forever. Yeah.
And also what you what the audience didn't get to see behind the scenes,
scene scenes scenes in terms of how the cast handled stuff is like,
uh, I often go here is a scene offer and uh, Zeke.
A lot of people yes and my scene offers, but Zeke will often come
out and say, no, I think narratively, we don't need to see
me again for whatever, or you know. And this cast did that a
lot, like I, you know, oh no, I think I don't.
We don't need to go back to that yet, wait for the next
episode or whatever. And it was everyone was just very aware of your experience
and what would be cool for you to see and and I think I'm always
very impressed when a cast is thinking about the audience, experience and the overall
narrative together. And that happened a lot in this show. Absolutely. Yeah.
I just wanted to piggyback on that too, because Aaron said it,
you said, everybody said it. This cast was really aware and everyone was
aware of the characters as well. They were like, Okay, this is
this is what this person is, this is what they're representing. And you're
not trying to like like like like you said, whack, you're not trying
to be the main character. You're trying to be like, okay, how
are we going to make this our pe? That that is just good?
Like it's just oh, there's there's tension, there's friction, but there's also
a conflict resolution, there's there's character changes in arcs, and and everyone paid
attention to everybody else's story, which was just like all this, I think
that's it so much. I think that's it. It's it's like paying attention
to what people are trying what, you know, paying attention what people are
trying to do with their characters and trying to help them. Yeah, yeah,
that's all it comes down to. It's just like how can I help
them do what they're trying to do As a villain, You're like, how
do I make them look better? Because I'm on this one side and they're
on the other side, and and that's like that's a dynamic in itself.
Yes. Crazy. The episode where it was we're going to pull all of
these characters that the audience loves in to interrogate and potentially kill and retire,
was like to uplift our villains, you know, to be like here's how
they you know, this is it there being the heel and we're going to
help them be the heel and you know, so all that kind of stuff
was was was really good. You guys it was really good. Everyone was
fucking solid through and through. Shit. I think I think we all got
chills to the first time that Whack looked at the camera as Galen. Yeah,
that and that's like, yeah, he was always on the side.
And then he said, yeah, that was good. Did you was that
instinct, Whack or did you know ahead of time? Like I think this
would be a cool element for my character. I mean I always had the
plan of like when I set up my camera, like, uh, it
happened actually when you showed the art uh for Galen and I was like,
oh, yeah, he's laid back. I was like, that's good.
And then uh, so that I kind of made that decision where I was
just going to be I was going to put Just so you are aware of
the logistics behind this is I have three monitors, right, and I get
to decide where the cameras are, and I try to look at the cameras
when we're role playing. So I was like, Okay, if I look
over here, if I put the cameras over here, it's gonna be like
I'm kind of looking off screen. Yeah, and I'm the only one that's
doing that. And I felt like that was kind of the way that Galen
saw things was just like kind of observing. It was very very good.
That's another thing. Sorry, go ahead, when somebody had a conversation with
me or whatever that I felt like, Okay, you're actually bringing Galen into
this and he doesn't feel like he's observing. That's when I look at the
camera. Yeah. Yeah, it was a fucking insane But that's another thing
that everybody in this cast did for this show. That the eye contact and
I'm using quotes those in the audience have no idea, we're not able to
like when they're making eye contact with the camera, they're looking at a camera,
they're not looking at the other player, bro. And everybody just did
it and was listening on audio c cues and having facial reactions actions to what
they were hearing. And it was just like I would rewatch scenes and be
like, Z got me a couple of times where I was like, I'm
here come the tears, just because the emotion on the face and the eye
contact eye contact was nuts. You don't get that to film, right,
you know, you don't get that cinema because they're looking at each other and
don't look at the camera. Yeah, exactly. I wanted to point out
something about about that, about eye contact with Wax, about wax character and
it it always struck me as as as truthful and real and a little bit
because of his connections to like like the connections stat you know, you have
c ies and stuff like that, And then how do you talk to says
while you sit at a bench next to them, but you don't talk to
You talk to them, but you don't look at them because you don't want
it to be like, you know, if everybody sees us, we're not
talking to each other, you know that kind of thing. So it's like
you only look at them, and you're like, got it, you know,
like you like you want to make a point to see if they make
they heard you. Otherwise you're just sitting, you know, in a park
bench talking to each other like Okay, you're gonna do this, You're gonna
do that, You're gonna do that? Got it? Yeah? Do you
got it? You know? Like that's what it felt like to me,
And I always liked that. Yeah, it was so good. We're just
thinking about like all all of the connections too. In the in the earlier
parts, like the first how can you ignore the fact that the first episode
was you guys being like this team is awful, and then your team fell
apart and their team stayed together through to the very end. You know,
you can't that. That's so well written, that's so cool, and it's
just so much good stuff, so much good Yeah, and the ship that
comes out of like the improv. Like I just want to give you a
little behind the scenes. I don't think I even talked about this after the
show, but like that one show where we were all the Tyrell Lockins,
Yeah, like we had our bird code names and something like that. As
soon as fucking Quail started talking, I went, fuck voice I was going
to use. I was going to use like a sort of quailish kind of
a voice, and I'm like a clock, Yeah, now I'm gonna choose
something different. So I ended up being you know, like the the Wren,
and he just out of that voice came like this, this weird I'm
going to have sex with my honest like, yeah, it was this like
the person yeah, frank, very forward, but unabashedly like it wasn't and
not with any harsh emotions either. It's just here's the matter of fact,
truth of what I'm seeing right now, and all that came out of whack,
like doing a voice that I was going to do, and I'm likely
because I had it in my head He's going to be this guy. He's
going to be this guy. Yeah, Zeek's random character as some of my
favorite ones broughout the entire show, no offense to anybody else, yay against
the characterizations of the characters, Like first of all, I was about to
do that. Yeah. Looking Good definitely one of the top NPCs of all
time. Yeah. Whenever I play a character on table story or like whatever,
like I tend to try and stay in character as much as possible,
but like as very little, you know, like table talk or whatever.
And if I do table talk, it's in character still. So like doing
scenes with Looking Good, who's always trying to smash me in the ribs?
Why you look at me like that, the face and the eyebrows like it's
an expression of love. And if it doesn't make everybody want to play g
t A four again, I don't know what. Well, don't want to
go bowling, Let's go bowling, Let's go let's go bowling. I actually
for that whole for that specific episode, getting to play a bit of an
asshole was really odd. Uh, to play Eagle in the locked in episode.
And for anybody that never saw the green Room, I was trying to
go off of. I can't think of his name, but he's from die
Hard. He's this like shitty coke dealing business dude or coke sniffing business dude
with a shitty grin on his face. Exactly. Yeah, I really,
yeah, I really appreciated. What was nice is that I got to be
this comedic character and and uh, and I know we all did this for
each other, but everybody would lean into it so hard, you know,
with Quail and his cat and his worry and and this sort of you know,
we would lean into that with with Wren and this matter of fact sort
of a very forward way of going. It was. It was for each
one of us. We were all actively pushing into those characters. It made
it so fun to play something so really different. I mean that that I've
never played a character in my head that shitty. They were such a tiech
of shit, like those those one off episodes, because you get to do
something that you wouldn't want to do for eighteen episodes or longer yeah, yeap,
real quick. I just want to say, like, Whack is responsible
for for another cues thing that he wasn't aware of when we were when we
were talking about the show, before we even started the show, We're talking
about characters like who were going to be? Was that? And Whack was
like, I don't want to be a hard bitten detective, you know,
down and blah blah blah, and I went, then I will Yeah,
yeah, I got news for you. Stereotypical Be already planned it out who
you were all in cigarettes, Yeah, you were always going to be that
guy. Peebe was gonna fucking like she's like, where's my mold? Where's
my mold? Let me just I didn't have anything planned out, by the
way, in case the audience wants to believe that, like at all.
It was the revamp of stars Kin Hutchers, Like what do you like?
I like blonds good because I'll take anything. Wait, okay, so at
the beginning I forget at the beginning of the campaign, Peebe, did you
give us the you gave us the option to rule for a character, right
or if we could, because I think that's what I went with. It
was rolling for it and that was especially difficult, like because it was something
that I wasn't expecting it and so like this hard boiled analyst is like not
me at all, and that was so difficult to try and be like,
Okay, I'll be really observing and really critical and like really direct with people.
And I think like in a way going off on another tangent like Selma
helped me be more direct, and she you know, had different intentions obviously,
but the way she was able to be like, Nope, this is
what I'm presenting now, this is who I am and unapologetically, so yeah,
kind of neat, very good. So yeah, it's so we thank
you for reminding me. So I totally forgot about this. We do have
the session zero that I will upload to the green room after, but it
basically is, you know, where we were meeting and saying hello and making
our characters and stuff like that. But the reason, yeah, i'll send
it to you. The reason I didn't upload it up until this point is
because right in the middle of it, I say Meyer is going to come
in hopefully and play something. But I didn't want the audience to know yet,
so I was like, nope, you don't get that happy audience,
and then by the time he was in the show, I was like,
actually, I think it would be really special if we do the whole show
and then they see the first moment we talked about it because I think that's
that's just cute. Oh my god. Yeah, which, by the way,
Flick and Meyer, you guys fucking killed it. Like just like coming
on and and being a part of things and then also staying a part of
things was really like for me, I thought it was just going to be
like the four the four of us in the beginning, but it was just
such a like, you guys just fucking killer jobs at your characters, And
it was really neat to see everybody kind of i don't know, not just
branch out, but become like again, become uncomfortable, right, become uncomfortable
with the scene, And I don't know, it was just neat to have
that extra element to everything because after a while it's gonna sound cheesy. But
I look forward to Sunday so much. I was like, yeah, I
get to like r few with these amazing people, but I'm gonna like try
to keep it all because I don't want them to think I'm weird. But
after a while. It was just like every episode was fucking amazing. It
was just like everyone just topped everything. I love you, guys, I'm
not weird grown up like how love is that? We're fine, It's fine.
Real quick. I want to say something about flick and how no no,
no, how I like I was not muted. Sorry, maybe I
won't say it now. I felt like that there's a little bond between me
and you being like theater kids. Like we did a lot of theater together,
and we like had that that acting schmackting kind of background, like acting
schmarckting to fall back on, you know, like the classical acting meaning like
stage theater and like that. And I was really cool to find someone like
who not only does like is familiar with like terms and improv and you know,
all that kind of ship, but who like had a similar like you
know, jump into this kind of ship and and where where are like love
for it comes from? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I mean I sorry,
go ahead. I also had a very interesting experience with like developing the
character because the sort of premise of what role I was meant to occupy sort
of given to me was like you're going to be a blade runner. Who
like probably goes missing. So the entire idea was I was like doing this
this uh, this solo noir adventure. And I was recording audio logs which
I don't think I have ever been heard, but I had no I have
to be honest with you, flick now, I had no intention of ever
doing that. Was I think you tricked me, like I said, it
was. It was. It was a trick. I'm sorry it was now,
but they served a purpose. I did use the information from the logs,
but yeah, I was. Yeah, I was like, hmm,
this is this. This is going to be interesting and a good way to
root you into that character real quick. But I took the approach with the
character in a very serving the story way and being very I was like,
what's the most interesting, what's the most interesting and least trustworthy person these people
can deal with? Was what I was. What I was going with.
I said, I'm going to make a character whose motivations are inscrutable and could
backstab you at any time, and it feels kind of like he's going to
backstab you at any time. And that was an exceedingly fun challenge. I
remember at the exact moment where I think I was making narrative excuses for maybe
I want to be because I was unexpecting to pop in every now and then,
right like I'll come on for an episode, then I'll be gone for
an episode or or a couple of episodes, and then you'll come pulled me
back. And I was trying to make excuses that people was like, oh,
no, you're just here now, like you just have you just have
to play in the space and exist with us. Now. Yeah, I
mean to be clear, I didn't force them to come and play with us.
I said, if you would like to be here, you can be
here permanently. But yes, it was it was I yeah, I was
not expecting that. So originally the concept for Sawyer it was going to be
the same Tyson Renzo. They were going to be the same character yep.
And then yeah, but then you came in and you brought Sword to life
in a way that I was like, Nope, I am doing something completely
different. Now forget it, which is actually a question somebody was asking,
like what happened with Tenzo or Renzo and you know, what was the point
of him in the beginning? But I mean, I feel like he did
serve his purpose when he died and whatnot. But yes, originally he was
going to come back and be a bigger thread. Do you mind, flick
if I just play the first minute of this thing that you sent me ages
ago. I don't remember, okay what it is? It is? So
I sent you a bunch of information and then I said go ahead, and
I set the scene for you, and I was like, this is what
you've just discovered. And you sent me an audio log that potentially they would
find and the moment I heard it, I went, well, this is
this cannot be a side character. Okay, it's you can play it.
I might get I might get weird to out hear my own voice back at
me. Okay, but is that okay for it? If I can even
do it, is it gonna do it? Is it loud? Hold on?
I have don't hear anything. Yeah, it's muted because I'm on a
different profile here, so I don't accidentally I got it. I got it.
This should work, okay, I think anyway, I'm not going to
do it now after I built it up, maybe prepared beforehand, and then
you should have probably disappointed. I'm sorry, was this when he's exclusing right
now? Is this what he's explaining finding the discrepancies in the Traill documents?
It is like one of the first things you said, it's a you say
a metaphor about a hot dog, and I went, this is a real
person. I can't remember what it was, but I immediately sent it to
immediately sent it to Brad and I was like, have you memory of this?
Have you ever heard anything like this before? And he was like,
this is a real person. What the fuck? Yeah? It was great.
I feel like we're really really setting this up. I'll share it after,
but yeah, we'll move on from now because I can't seem to get
it to play properly. But yeah, oh, it's very good piece of
hot dog based dialogue i've ever heard. And that's a brand new sin.
It's no one has ever said that before. Been said, I'm sorry,
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Okay, here's a here's a question for you
guys. Okay, what were you channeling for your character? Was the shades
of past characters, something from popular media or something personal or is it just
your perception of who you think your character would have been. I've been kind
of keen to see since the Under the Table interviews, what people put into
that character, and where you draw your inspiration from, especially on a show
like this one where there are so many layers and dimensions to every character.
Any way, actually, so I can answer this one pretty quickly, and
I'm actually surprised that things turned out the way that they did. So I
was actually trying to channel a bit of k from a Blade Runner twenty forty
nine, mostly because he has such a so we knew that there was a
possibility that we could be replicants, but there was also an equal possibility that
we would not be replicants, and there was no way to know. In
my head, I don't know why, I was like, there's no way
I'm going to be one. So I definitely want to lean into that almost
non human aspect. It's just a little little less emotions than what a human
should have. And Kay in Blade Runner twenty forty nine, being who he
is, he's very muted until he's not. He's very loud and expressive in
certain moments, but for the most part, he is very fairly controlled.
That's all I was going for. I wanted I wanted Bob to be fairly
meticulous, not incredibly smart, but still a detective with potential emotional outbursts,
which I was fortunate enough to have moments to display that. But that was
it. That's what I was going for. That makes sense for Bob's character
too, to base him on like a character like k just because he's very
no nonsense but gets the job done. Oh sorry, I'm sorry, I
keep cutting people off. Uh it's it's he's uh, he's not serious,
like super serious. Bob wasn't, but I think because he allowed himself to
question, you know, like the same with Kay's character. Eventually was like
I'm done with this. I'm done with this. I've been working way too
hard. So I sense I feel I feel like when we had the the
episode zero or whatever, when we were talking about making our characters, we
mentioned that, like about about Bob. I feel like that was part of
the conversation. Am I wrong? I No, No, I think I
probably did mention something about it. I wanted Bob to be a side character.
In my head, that's just who I was, like, Okay,
apparently like I shouldn't have said that. Yeah, I wanted. I wanted
him to be a side character. He was just supposed to be there for
support his personality wasn't anything explosive or or that interesting at least on the surface
level. And it was fun to play because it was a muted character,
and I have played a lot of characters that definitely have a lot of emotion
and personality, which I got to pull out of Bob later on. But
that was wasn't really uh a plan that I was expecting to do it some
point. So yeah, personally I liked I and it's different, perfect character.
But for the first gift, especially like it was, I pictured to
get me into like the mode, I picture a haunt of his. I
picture a dive bar with you know, low music in the back and some
sleazy characters in there, and like, I picture this is the type of
place that he frequents, and like picturing the actual like layout of the place
and the colors and the smells and the sounds and stuff like that. And
and then picturing like like the visuals that PB created actually really helped a lot,
Like give a good look, give a look at that thing, and
go like, okay, how does this person sound? Like it's an exercise
you do in improver theater where you you know you you someone throws a namy
union, and you have to like improv like a paragraph with just the name
something like that, Like that's a It was a good cue. Every time
I looked at the artwork for Skiff, I'm like, Okay, this is
this guy, this is where he's from, this is his his his class,
I guess is a city speaker. So that actually that helps a lot,
Like Okay, he's a talker people, people can trust him and stuff
like that, And that's like what gets me into the mood is like definitely
picturing where he's at and what his like, what his his favorite places are
and favorite things are and stuff like that. So if you're asking what I
channel, like, it's not a particular person, but it's it's it's more
of a place and a feeling m like the experiences you're drawing on, Like,
oh, I think that's kind of what I went for with Soma as
well, like drawing from like, Okay, what you think they would have
experienced right as their as their character, as their life, what would have
contributed to the person that they are now? Like what was that point where
they're like, yeah, I guess I'm gonna hunt replicants, Like that's what
I want to do. And Selma I kind of based her off of a
person that had a lot of PTSD and that had shoved it way the hell
down and wasn't about to start working on it because she was so convinced I'm
in the right. I know what I'm doing is right. And she for
so long had been unquestioned, unchallenged with her idea of morality because it's accepted
in that universe, right, there's there's there's nothing wrong there. So so
now that it's like suddenly, So it's quite sudden for her because it you
know, when they announced the law, like okay, now we're now we're
retiring absolutely every everyone. You know, she doesn't hunt for sport. She
does it because she feels it's necessary. And so I tried to envision someone
that did something because they were like, this is I believe it's right,
it's necessary. It might sound kind of strange, but I really thought of
someone that was like a hardcore evangelist, someone that was like, you been
driven by the power, the power, the compulsion. I know that this
is this is something that is true to me because it's true to the universe
and because it's the way of things, and the other part of that is
that it's really difficult to play that character because she had good intentions. She
was not she was not coming at it from a place of like, oh
yeah, I'm gonna fuck everybody up today, gon shoot some motherfuckers. It's
like, you know, she she really had this idea of like, well,
no, but it's but it's right, but I'm right. I know
I'm right, aren't I right? Just so much like vacillating at the end,
And so initially I was really I really liked the directness of Holly Hunter
and how she kind of has a little bit of that southern Southern twang where
she just she's very direct, she's very quick, and I love that quick
directness that Actually I think I got a lot of that from my cousins in
Kentucky. They were just snap snap, snap snap, and they had that
real kind of like twang, just a little bit of twying I'm not gonna
take it, And I love that. So I'm like, that's the character.
That's who I'm channeling. This person thinks that she's right, but she's
also so calculating and has been doing this a long ass time. I have
an aunt actually, who was a detective for twenty five years, so I
also channel a little bit of her where it was like, there's no nonsense
here, you can't bullshit me. Like that's sort of person. So it's
not an evangelist, but very much like you know, that same kind of
person that's like driven by a whatever, like a holy whatever you want to
call it. Yeah, high calling, Yeah, a high calling something that
was like, I I've seen the old ways. I know what happened before
I grew up on a farm. I mean, she has an accent for
a reason. She's not even from Los Angeles, right, Like, there's
there's a backstory to Selma that's like has nothing to do with like this current
state of Blade Runner. So yeah, that's a that's I suppose, and
I guess to to really to finish that, she was so sure of who
she was and this I think there would have been no point, no better
point to show that she can change in this show. I would have never
gotten another opportunity if Selma had had stayed the same person. I'm not sure
it would have worked. I'm not sure it would have worked with this universe
because the story is so good at opening up the complexities of humans and replicants.
I love the idea of Skiff having a guiding star in Selma in like
wrong, and then having one thing that they are diametrically opposed on, like
that's it split him apart, Like because he would use Selma I would imagine
he'd use some of like what do you think did you let him go?
Do we you know, take him in blah blah, and someone would always
have the right answer and tell him she didn't. Yep. Yeah, I
feel like that's that's one of those things that was kind of missing from both
me movies. We didn't really have that sense of betrayal really happened in the
movies, did we. I'm trying to think, like, were there any
really big betrayals that happened Really not in the first one as much. I
mean in the first one second one you could kind of argue, Yeah,
I mean i'd say, Roy, well, not really a betrayal, Right,
I was going to say, I think the whole reason Roy Battie is
who he is is because he feels betrayed. Yeah, I was gonna say,
there's a lot of feeling, right, But but I don't know if
like it actually happens in the movies like we don't Know. It's more of
an off screen like The Maker Maker. Yeah, ah, yeah, there's
that, but but it reflects how they feel about being made right, So
there's a lot of actions. And and also when he retires the snake Dancing
replicant, she obviously they have a moment where they show her face right before
she falls and she feels betrayed too. Right, there's a lot of feelings
of betrayal, but that's not necessarily like the build up. I would say
the toy Maker. Toymaker is a really good example because you do get a
lot of interaction between both of empathizers with yeah, yeah, and he is
actively trying to be empathetic towards them. Not that they would necessarily recognize what
that is because they don't have the basis for it, which would make sense
why things go the way they do. But yeah, that's a good example.
Yeah. So I meant to to read the books and to watch the
movies and the shows before, but your homework, you didn't do any of
it. It came in completely blind. That's amazing, dude, knowing any
of the war. I just didn't bring anything up. You're keeping it fresh
by a literally not knowing. Yeah, his bullshit. Okay, this motherfucker
does this ship all the time. This is the brilliance of Meyer. You
see, he doesn't have to know to react, right. Meyer is the
ultimate troll. Okay, you don't know him all right? I uh for
Sawyer, I built Sawyer off of energy to start with, because again,
I was expecting to be more of an ancillary character. So the exact archetype
of characters going for was when you're playing a horror game and you meet a
character that you know is dying in like the next twenty minutes, but they're
like, hey, oh my god, Okay, listen, if we just
go around this corner, I can readrout the power. You can open the
door, and we can both get out of here together. I will be
behind his bulletproof gloss, just out of rage the whole time, but we
will, we will, so we will shortly, we will shortly reavenin and
everything will be okay. That was That was the energy I came in with.
And someone compared him to to Snowden like a whistleblower at some stage,
which I thought was also a fun comparison. But as the as the show
went on, I actually found a different focus character, especially by the time
of Natalie's death, which was that I was playing Sawyer as if he was
the prototype of Love from Blade Runner twenty forty nine. That that that that
replicant, that is like Kay's nemesis for the back half of the film.
I was like, I'm just gonna I'm gonna lean him into feeling like this
character, and that was that was what That's what I used as the basis
there for that character. And then for Blithe I just based them off of
PRIs and Uh from the first film and Tricksie from Blade Runner Blackout. I
was looking for a sort of mesh of those two. Blithe was. I
knew Sawyer was a replicant right away. Can I ask you a question,
How did you know that? Just because you know me and my head had
a feeling. I just had a feeling. That's why I did the replicant
check immediately. Yeah, you went to Sawyer's house and I knew because you
your poker face slipped. No, because I didn't know at that time.
That's why I asked. Because I didn't know if Sawyer was going to be
a replicant. Really, I saw because when I asked you went because well,
my ma, and I was like, I don't have to answer a
replicant. No. I probably was like, I read you, Yeah,
I might have to make that right. Yeah, this is like yes on
a test, you're still right. You get my points, you take it,
But I can't show my work in fact problem in math class to answer
in the In the beginning inception, Sawyer wasn't going to be one like when
I you know, that was what we had talked about, doing some voice
logs to help you guys long and whatnot. And and because by the time
you were actually coming into place where it was no longer you know, Renzo,
it's no longer the same character. So I was like, okay,
we'll do something mouse and they won't be a replicant, and blah blah blah.
And the more I talked to Flick and the more I heard about the
character, and and it wasn't really until about halfway through the show that I
went, it's time to make a decision now, because because Sawyer was one
of those characters where I went, it could go either way, and I'm
fine either way as long as I set up evidence that is either way,
that's fine. But there always comes a moment where you have to make a
decision because then otherwise the story gets broken, it doesn't make sense anymore.
So there came a moment where I think you said you did poetry in the
beginning, but I said, I said, everything I've set up for this
character is that is I'm playing him functionally as if he's a replicant from from
day do it basically. Yep, there was a There was a very brief
moment where we talked about poetry in the first time when they were all physically
in the same space, and then you gave me a piece of information as
a storyteller that was like, yeah, you know that that, like poetry
is a good grounding mechanism for for memory implantation in replicants. And I was
like, well, that's funny because one of Sawyer's self soothing things is hand
printing poetry, like poetry over and over and over again. I think that
where I went, Okay, there was a yea, there was an observation.
There was an observation check at the time, which was like a and
uh. Sawyer placed a folder covering a stack of papers and no one,
no one pressed on it. So he covered something up and that was like
the poetry lines that he had been he'd been working on. Yeah, I
think when it came down to uh RJ and creating that character. I think
on the day of that episode where Auntie showed up, I woke up to
a ten minute long voice note from PB telling me I was going to be
on and who RJ was. So I looked at the art and I was
like, well, okay, I guess I'll just make him sound like a
typical like protagonist or a character and work from there. Yeah, actual attack
accurate, though accurate, the actual truth, but the actual truth. I
mean we had talked about in concept, Like I think I told him right
away this is that was going to be in it. You're going to be
in it, and you're going to be You're gonna be Aaron. So watch
what Aaron's doing. And no, you told me I was going to be
Speth. And it was on the day that you tell witched ye whoay that
means said something to you. That means you said something to me in session
zero where I was like, all right, I'm going to do this to
you. But but then something must have happened in the first two episodes where
I changed my mind and I went, Nope, it's better if it's this
way. I actually didn't even remember that that. Maybe I'm like, what
if what if Selma, through all of her conviction, turns out to be
this replicate and it's like, well, fuck I we didn't even know what
she would have done. That's exactly right. So like in the session zero,
both of you came to me with characters with strong conviction, and I
went, well, one of you is going to be at least, if
not both of you, because that's just great storytelling. If the person who's
like it's full of conviction is that's great way Yeah, I mean humid,
Yeah, and I think I think the way I think the way Aaron played
Bob in episode one. I was like, yeah, no, this is
this is the you know I'll do this. So I didn't even remember that
though, Meyer, that's great. Yeah, I do want to piggyback on
that really fast. When I found out, you know that Meyers RJ was
watching My Bob. When I went to play Bert, I was trying to
channel some of the things I'd seen Meyer do as RJ, which is it's
hard. I doubt anything anybody would really pick up on that sort of stuff.
But all I could think is, here is this this line of people
that are being created with the same or similar memories, but they're being tweaked
each time. So I wanted Bert to be more jovial than what RJ is.
And RJ is a little bit more jovial, if you'll use that word,
than what Bob is. So going further back, yeah, what was
that first Robert like? But I do I do appreciate Meyer putting in the
effort to try and track and use my mannerisms, which I did not pick
up until after I found out and I went mother. I was like,
looking through some of the VODs, I was like, what motherfuckerd fucking insane?
He's like, RJ, what do you think that stands for? Like,
Yeah, that was very That was very stressful because I I was stressful
expecting somebody to pick up on that or to to to call us on at
any disc anybody was anyone like oh that's definitely just nope, uh my god.
And I'm very glad about that. I also don't think anybody grabbed it
in the In the discord, there were some very keen observations on who people
thought were a replicant in the discord. Some people clock that very early on,
and I was like, yeah, okay, is that because and then
there's the battle of like is that because it's too predictable or is that the
battle because they're doing you know, they're doing it right, or you know,
like there's always this worry as a GM where you got to be like,
okay, you know, am I is this confirmation that I'm successfully doing
my job of storytelling properly or is it just too predictable? Right? Like
yeah, so you guilt? Guilt can be real? Yeah, oh the
guilt. Yeah, casually went I hope Bob's not a replicant. I was
like, I'm not speaking no, I will always happily role play with anything,
but I definitely I thought it would be very interesting to have this this
focused with convictions character who was a human but just didn't feel human enough.
I like the idea behind that, and to come to find out that he
wasn't and he was tweaked to that point is a much better story than what
I had in visioned. So it was great. Gosh, you know what
I just realized too, the contrast of how like how Bob figures out he's
a replicant sooner than Galen does. But Galen is the one that was like,
hey, Skiff, maybe you should rethink your position at the fucking lapd.
Yeah, like the mind the mindset was totally different, right, But
Bob handles his like replica finding out that he's a replicant so much differently than
Galen does. So I guess I'm I'm curious, Actually, whack where Why
did Galen react that way? If he was so much more I don't know,
was he was he sure of himself or was he not sure of himself?
And maybe that's why he was so like, I don't know, like
a visceral reaction to it, right, Like how how pent up was that?
And I just just I just wonder. So I knew Galen was a
replicant from the beginning. We had the conversation when we were making characters,
and I was just like, I want to play a replicant. So I
said that to everybody when we were talking about the show characters. Doxy right,
Well, yeah, because Doxy is the is the actual class. And
when I made Galen, I want I wanted to challenge myself. I have
a lot of body dysmorphia issues, and I was like, I want to
I want to play like a sexy kind of character. So it was it
was a challenge for me, like you know, buying an outfit and like
as stupid as it sounds, but like showing off cleavage and like doing all
that stuff that's hard for me to do. And I wanted to sort of,
I guess my own version of like exposure therapy haha. And that's a
pun, you know, was to to play that character. So I started
from there, and then my mentality was, Okay, I wanted to make
this character listen to people. I wanted to listen to people and then react,
and I'm just not going to play a very reactionary person. I was
going to play a very a very manipulative and the way that I see manipulative
is somebody that is playing the puppet master that is just kind of like observing
people, seeing what they do, and then making a choice. So that
was always what I wanted to do with Galen. And then when we kind
of when we had this moment where Galen finds out he's a replicant, I
was thinking, like I think it was I think it was more of a
I was thinking about how I was going to react when it was going to
be outed, when Galen was going to be outed to everybody, because Phoebe
was like, we talked about it and we're like, when do we want
to do this kind of thing? And there was a few options like here,
here's some ideas I have blah blah blah. And when it happened,
I knew it was about to happen, and I was kind of thinking,
heads up, I hadn't yea, I hadn't like made a solid decision for
how I wanted Galen to react. And I think it kind of happened in
the moment. I think it was just like I think, I just let
it come out, and that's I just tried to put myself in galen shoes
and that's what came out. So something I really loved about the way that
you played Galen is that it looks like he is emotionless when it is the
opposite. He is so heavy with emotion, and that is that is just
who he is. Like he's got all this pain, he's got all these
bad memories, He's just got all this stuff that he's carrying around with him
every day, and that makes him the way that he is. And so
in my head, Cannon and this is just my head, Cannon, Galen
would have been an earlier model than Bob because he's got more emotion than than
Bob did. And that's why Bob reacted to the news of him being a
you know, replicant a little bit different. But Galen, it was very
full of emotion. So yeah, he was probably the last one they were
going to make. I think that's I think that's probably a decent way to
look at it. Like, I think I think it was all like maybe
it was the contrast, you know of like sitting back observing everybody having all
these motions and not letting them out, not letting anybody see, you know,
any of his pain, and it all came out at once. Maybe
that's where you know, my subconscious was going with it. But the truth
is I just kind of let whatever happened in the moment happen. Yeah,
and that's what came out. Well. I also can imagine like internalizing all
of your coworker's reactions and then just knowing in that moment they're going to feel
that way about you, and how heartbreaking that is, Like yeah, yeah,
I picked up from that moment. Here's someone that not only has had
a heart in their head with their memories, a hard life, with all
these terrible emotions, but they're all lies. So I've just been living with
fake pain that someone forced me to feel, that fucking anger and that horror
of reality crashing down on you as scream really caught it. Yeah, yep,
okay was there was a question in here about what was real and what
was not real? And I just want to grab that real quick because it's
what we're talking about right now. Ah was it real? And how?
Like? How would you define real to me? A person who hallucinates with
every sense other than I have to determine what was real or not. So
if I want, if I want a talking bird to be real, it
is, even though other people will say it isn't. So how do you
find what's real? Shared perception? Probably because I think I think the way
I mean on Blade Runner. We have to look at what can be validated
by another set of eyeballs generally, But it's also difficult because if you're looking
at someone and being like, oh, you're real, you can tell me,
you know? Because one of my favorite things Also that I forgot to
bring up was the hallucinations that Skiff had with the that that one Irish character,
I cannot remember the name of it, but I absolutely, I absolutely
adored the scenes because you're not real, right, Like we can look at
that as an audience and be like that person, that's not a real he's
talking to himself. Yeah, but it was so beautiful because we look at
we get to look at Skiff's inner mind right technically, which is also played
by Pebee, who's another human. So it's like, huh, they're both
the same. They're both the same, and you're offering advice to Skiff who
is also talking to himself, and in that moment, it's real. It's
so real for us, it's so real because we're like, na, that
makes sense. That makes sense that he would be able to to he would
have this this voice, he would have this connection. But it's also not
verifiable by any other human. It's not veriable or any other you know,
uh uh, life form, whatever you want to call it. It's it's
just him. So like it's hard important. I just I just want to
use the term confirmation bias. That's it. I didn't want to go into
it too much for the fact that your reality is based on being able to,
like you were saying, sort of confirm what is real, and the
dangers of being in what we know as echo chambers where people are telling you
what reality is and you're going along with it without any sort of outside information
coming in. Your reality becomes that. I just wanted to bring it up
as as a side point to what you're saying. But yeah, sorrys he
go ahead, No, it's all right, Like if you lousinate with everything,
but tastes like I'm licking everything. I'm just letting you know everything right,
not the door to make a joke, because that sounds horrible. It
sounds like good. Like that sounds really tough, like a life living in
hallucinations and understanding what's real. And the answer is, I think that's how
do you define what's real? I don't live it, man. I had
a point with with Sawyer dotting his own senses because his hearing and one of
his eyes was completely augmented, was was cybernetic effectively. So that was very
much a theme that I played with, and I have a really long rationalist
exactly why Sawyer started off insanely paranoid and experiencing these hallucinations, and then when
he got accepted into the team, they all seemed to go away and he
suddenly was this completely different person, which for me was what was being done
to his brain when he was outside like mission parameters, and then the sort
of security and normally he felt when he was within them, which was mostly
tied to the augments. But that is a very long explanation, but it
definitely ties into the can you trust your own sensors? Question? Yeah,
and maybe maybe that's the thing. Maybe that's the trick is you can't know
what is or is not real, so just enjoy your life anyway. Yeah,
if you can't, if you can't actually confirm what reality is, you're
just going to drive yourself nuts trying to discover it anyway, with no real
tools to be able to do that. So let yourself be schizophrenic. It's
fine. I was the first question for a bit, you know, like
thinking about how to answer, and I think, Speth, they just hit
the nail on the head. Really, I mean, when it comes down
to it, you know, reality is kind of predicated on shirt perception,
you know, like you know, boris seeing this, Yeah, Bro,
I mean right now, it's real. Yeah, you know, And the
higher the sample size, you know, like the more people saying this is,
this exists, this is real, the higher the chance it is real.
However, you know, you could be color blind, in which case
your perception is different, but it doesn't make what you're seeing necessarily wrong.
You just become an outlier. But then, you know, it was a
very interesting question, you know, as somebody who you know, Lick's just
fine. It's it was an interesting you look a lot of stuff that's cool,
it's real, it's a good delivery, that's good. I think I
love this question, especially because it came up a lot in the show and
I found myself going, I don't know if I agree with that, where
a lot of the characters in the show were like, you know, my
my pain isn't real, my memories aren't real, And I don't know how
I feel about that. I think I define real by the experience. If
you experienced something that's real because it changed you, it's happening to you,
you know, And that may be the most simplistic way to look at reality,
but you know, yes, there is that's idea, this like share
it's simplistic. Yeah, a memory is just a memory until you recall it.
Yeah, that becomes a new memory for yourself because it's in a new
moment. It's in a new moment right now where you are now experiencing that
memory again. Oh fucked. Yeah, but like it makes sense. But
h and just because it didn't happen to you, it doesn't mean it wasn't
real. Exactly of movies that I've watched that have made me cry, I
wasn't part of that ship. I was just watching it. And what about
what about dreams? Right, Like, I've had some fucked up dreams where
I wake up I'm like, that is going to affect my mood for like
today. But it didn't happen, but I experienced it. So it's like,
well, that's not real because it didn't happen, but it's still something
that is. So it was so defining, right, So it's like a
day because it's something you did in there that seems insane to me, that
seems madness. Yeah no, but I I don't know. I think there's
something interesting about the idea that these replicans, especially the ones that you played
in the show, where they have a memory that isn't real, and it's
like, well, it was someone's memory that they're sharing in the same way,
it would be like if I said to you, you know, if
I told you the story and then you were able to empathize with my pain.
You know, It's like that kind of thing. And also some of
them, some of the memories are made up and they're like, you know,
but I think in my head canon for the Blade Runner memory insertion,
the reason why they did Tyrrell's Niece is because they realized writing a memory is
not the same as living one, and there are holes in the details in
a real one, and you know, like there are feelings attached to it,
and you can write it all you want, but it's not the same
as actually experiencing something. So I and and multiple times right where you're like,
okay, that's reinforced in my personality of who I am, Like I
love the smell of a wood burning fire. If I found out that I
was a replicant and that smell had been placed in me, it's like,
yeah, do I still love it? Should I still love it? Do
I? Should? I still love it? Because there are memories associated with
literally everyone, you guys, like I had some rough points in childhood that
I had that exact spirit experience as an adult going there are things that I
like or whatever? Should I even like? You know, do I it's
all taintive now you know now that I understand my trouble at Yeah, bad
memory, that's experience. Now, I think you. I think Skiff would
have been necessarily a boring choice, but the least the least exciting choice to
be a replicant because I, in my view, like Skiff would be.
He's more of He's more of in the now, like I live now.
Yeah, Like what has made me is fine, but I live now.
Yeah, tell me I'm a replicant. I'm still me. I'm still here,
I'm in the now, I'm in the press. He's like, he
doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would like question like do I
like strawberries? Like he's like, like strawberries because I'm now now me like
strawberries. Skiff was a true true detective. I mean I think out of
the lot Skiff had, he had to undergo the most like like spiritual like,
oh shit, this is what this means. Now, I'm on a
mission to help to help these these replicans. Who all also see as people,
and you were so goddamn curious that it literally led you to kind of
start this whole revolution. In the LAPD You're like, I'm done, I'm
done, I'm out. Like, what do you mean You're done? What
do you mean you're out? It's like that was also a huge, huge
shift in knowing that you just were not you were not with us anymore,
right, and then that us slowly was like and isolve. But because of
Skiff's curiosity, because his unwavering commitment to people, and just like understanding,
I think that there's a deeper connection with all of us. He was already
miles ahead of the game, like miles ahead of people. He was like,
no, this is this is something that's got to change here. So
maybe not not a boring choice for a replicant, though, like I disagree
there. I think that if you had been made a replicant, you would
be like, no, I got fight even harder, bro, Like this
is there is way more reason, way more of a catalyst to be like,
yes, of course I'm one of you, already one of you.
Yeah, I mean do like credit recrdits do doing no small part to one
of my other favorite moments is that surprised the ship out of me. When
I tried to quit and Calon was like, you're not quitting and I'm like,
but I am, but he's like no, but you're not, Like,
oh but I'm not. You're right, okay, Oh, yes,
these aren't the droids I'm looking for. Do the doxy hard at work?
Yeah? Man, brilliant. That was beautiful. And then the like the
reveal after reveal of like I've never killed a replicant and it was like,
you know what, God, do I know anything about you? Yeah?
Can I just a piggyback on that? So Peeb fed me some info periodically
throughout the show. Uh, first and foremost, I'm trying to remember when
you first sent me something. I think it was during a crash, yeah,
crash, well yeah, because Peb Peeb was like, we brainstormed a
little bit as to like how like why I was on the LAPD and like
and like what I was trying to do there. And when Sawyer investigated some
stuff and started bringing certain bits of information to the forefront, he'd was like,
Okay, this is this is the time, and and that's when I
had a critical stress moment. So it all kind of started to get executed
there. That's when I started to change things a little bit for Galen in
terms of the mentality that I Galen doesn't know this, but I know this
playing Galen, that he is trying to just bring in the replicants, not
kill them. So that remained for the rest of this show, was that
I was trying to bring in replicants and not kill them. Yeah. Yeah,
so that was a surprise to me too. But I do think it's
interesting that that you talked Wait a minute, no, no, no,
no, no, it wasn't a surprise. You told me that you were
trying to bring characters. Huh. Yeah, it was one of the suggestions
you made. Oh yeah, I just was it was an offer, But
I didn't know you took that offer. I just ran with it. I
thought you were taking Well. I was like, well, here are some
thoughts as through things that he could be doing, But wasn't like sleeping with
the top breast and getting to know, like putting yourself in a position of
emotional power was what I was going to play Galen way different. Ye until
that moment, I was gonna fuck everybody. Yeah literally, yeah, just
like here we go. But yeah, I uh yeah, I think I
think it's interesting though that I think that was one of the questions I asked
you guys when you were doing character creation, think about how many reps?
So you've retired already before episode one. So it ended up coming up so
that I didn't pick a number. I just figured that, you know,
Yeah, Bob just continued to do it. There was no counting. He
was just good at it. He hated him, So I was never going
to add a number to it. It was just always going to be a
lot of blade running on an accountant. I have a question for Flick here,
what was the thought process behind Sawyer knowing and admiring Lord Byron's poetry.
I think you kind of touched on this, but just in case, was
he also aware of the various other important radical ideas that came out of that
family and social group. How did he process that with his at the time
chosen life path. So I had Sawyer luck onto a couple of different a
couple of different poems that were like very core to him. I think the
most critical one was one that wasn't revealed until the final episode, which was
that Sawyer was a fan of pale Fire. Of course that's something that was
implanted into him, right, but pale Fire being the source of the baseline
test in second Blade Runner film, and that's also the base and we use
a different stanza from the same poem to construct the baseline test for the finale.
But aside from that, I just I had Sawyer latch onto themes and
concepts of the actual poetry itself. I wasn't thinking too much about like the
research of like the writers behind them, because for the most part, these
were just pieces that either were allocated to him for one reason or another and
then tied to a memory and that was like the memory grounding and I and
specifically Darkness, which is the one that he quoted, was the memory that
was tied to his fear of the blackout and his mother's death and his mutilation
and then the need for interventive surgery and cyber nix. So Darkness was is
a poem about, you know, speaking about the extinguishing of all light.
And that was the poem that was used as like the placement for the memories
pertaining to the blackout and and why he viewed it as this like apocalyptic event
that had to be no, this can never happen again. That was part
of why he was so driven. So it was more so the thematics echoing
off each poem, rather than like, I'm not quite that smart, where
I'm like, well, you see in the background of this poet. I
didn't quite God, I didn't quite I didn't quite go to that level.
But I did find poem. I did find poems that resonated to key memories
and used those sparingly. Sawyer's first introduction in the meeting at Silver Sheene,
he quotes the Darkling Thrush by Thomas Hardy, and Thomas Hardy is also the
fake name that he told Selma to, like, ask ask for Thomas Hardy.
They'll show you to the right room. So I beleeve that. I
remember, I'm looking I'm looking for, I'm looking at I'm looking for.
He's about yay. Hi. He's very paranoid, he's very scared. What
are you doing? I just really quick. That was not Selma's fault.
That was my fault as a player, completely not remembering like, oh,
yeah, we're I think it was great though it was. It was the
moment. There was a lot of tin ship going on anyway, So I
think I'm here to buy drugs. Yea again, children, drugs, please
again. It was It was a really good dis It was a really good
display of how different Sawyer's world was from the teams at that stage, of
like his level of paranoia versus I guess to an extent the group taking their
security and their well being for granted at the time. Yeah. Actually,
I think it's a fair way of looking at things, because you saw You're
it was so over the top paranoid, and for a very good reason.
We come to find out the paranoid. I don't know if the paranoia,
and this is probably something interesting if I could just ask real fast for you
flick for Sawyer, that paranoia. Do you think that was written in to
the character's memories or is that something that came about from them not quite feeling
like they fit in the world. So I'll see if I can rattle this
off really quickly, because I touched on it really briefly before. But the
idea in my head was that I feel like every single infiltrating replicant had maybe
like a different experiment attached to them, you know, because we have the
sort of Robert Wyndham loop, right that's a very specific experiment in and of
itself, I think. So my take on Sawyer's was that they were like,
we're gonna see if we can use it lent into the whole. Well,
you you know, the actual Sawyer Clark died in a car accident,
but we have you know, the body, the brain on life support basically,
so we could pull whatever we need and build a very driven replicant.
We can use hatred to fuel this, this character and this poetry to place
all the correct memories. But then obviously they could have just made him completely
healthy, but they made the choice to actually give him these augments that he
didn't really need. He could have been he could have been grown in full
health, but they chose to give him these augments that made him dependent on
outside help. So my ration now was that the further he straight away from
his his mission directive or like what he was designed for, the worst these
augments would start to fritz, and that is what led to his initial paranoia
and it sort of spiraled from there. So he was meant to go back
to Terrell every other week basically to get you know, maintenance and like calibrations
done in these augments, which is a way to monitor him and his place
in the program, but it portly stopped making us look bad for a second.
You know, I said before, I won't go into this because I
thought about it too much that you lawyer is staggering. I saw, and
I was like, I want to do that. Look at it this way.
We're naturals. Some people need a little bit extra. But then but
then, uh, Sawyer then met Rosetta, And I think an interesting question
is did Rosetta and Sawyer meet by accident or was Rosetta sent to meet Sawyer
on purpose by Nara or somebody else attached to the underground to try and flip
him. Yeah, and then she was the one working on his implants,
so she may have had influence over what they were doing to him, which
is what led to that. You know that that really fierce uh crossroads that
he landed in, and uh the u the uh yes, that's it.
That's everything. Fact about it. There's no other val for me to do
at that stage apologize, Well, I've got your back. Fun fact about
that is that originally, like you were supposed to go back to Tyrell and
all these things for that, but then we slipped in right, that when
you graduated, Wallace picked you up and you came and worked for Wallace,
and I knew that that's because Wallace suspected you were part of this program,
and they went and they snatched you, and then they paid for your implants
and then they yeah, and then they kind of like took over. Because
my idea is that part of the experiment with Tyrell is they would make this
thing, this replicant, and then go go and then see if they would
even join the l a p D. Like that's part of the program,
Like can we make somebody that is so driven without realizing it that this is
their dream and then they go and they fulfill their dream and that kind of
stuff. So yeah, crazy fun and then Wallace, Yeah, I wasn't
aware if Wallace knew he was a replicant from day one or if that was
something that they stumbled into. Nara suspected, right, because Nara was part
of that initial brainstorming project. And the way that I had it in my
head was like, you know, Tyrell himself, Eldon Tyrell was part of
that initial brainstorm because these projects don't just come up overnight, right, He's
only been dead for project Vani was Yeah, Project Vani was fifty years old.
Yeah, like that's when that's the research began for that, and that's
what those projects are like, the research is a long period. So yeah,
I was like, so Eldon Tyrell probably built one of the three of
you, or was part of you know, the I guess initial conception before
he died or and then you had Nara on one of them, and then
you had Knakayama on another, and then maybe some more you know, because
it's it's not for sure, but yeah, that's all started as crayon drawings
on somebody's loose leaf notebook paper exactly exactly. And then and and that allowed
Yeah, I actually think that that's very dystopian and kind of a little heartbreaking
to imagine a bunch of people sitting in and you did this, Speth in
that one episode, the one off episode where you said he he liked the
color blue, and you just made it so casual, like you you drove
this idea of people sitting around laughing and brainstorming and wouldn't it be funny if
this and what about that? Oh yeah, and then he does that.
A bunch of people doing that, But it became a person you know,
like, yeah, yeah, it really felt I think she was fucked up
about it too, because she had heart. She'd overheard that, so,
you know, talking to talking to Blithe was like, oh oh man,
so you're the result of what happened in that meeting. Actually yep, yep,
and like, oh geez, I didn't realize that I actually see this
here. I'm just gonna go ahead and answer this real quick. Normally I
don't, but I know you guys went crazy about this for AGES, so
I will EMS and OWL did they stand for anything? Enhanced Memory sequence unit
was EMS? And observation woven latent was the second one for the ones that
would yeah, oh okay, of CAR, Yeah, everybody figure that out.
You didn't need to say that. I thought EMS was was was That
was good. I liked that. I was like, oh that's clever.
But that is not what I had planned yet. But so I'll admit that
that's what I had seen. The medical services, Yeah, so in the
notes to in the notes to Flick, I said, normally you would assume
that it would be this, but it's not. The EMS was for some
emergency medical services or something else, and that I looked up in the book
anyway, Sorry rambling? Okay, PB, can you give us an hints
about what your next show will be about? Nope. Why do you think
Galen whichever iteration of him chose, accepted or volunteered to become a blade Runner
after a successful career in vice and you kind of sort of answered that that
you decided you were go take reps in Well, yeah, I think that
was always I don't think Galen knew. I mean, he just it was
put on a path and he just kind of accepted it. It didn't make
sense. It was like, why are you going to stick a vice cop
in the in the blade Runner department? I guess to try something I don't
know. My mentality is I don't get it either. I don't know why
you would want to do that. So the only possible explanation I could have
other than the obvious of like let's see what works, is potentially like taking
a different route with hunting replicants. That was kind of the only real explanation.
I could have a lot of connections out there, got a great resource.
A follow up question for you, you whack how much if any of
your bad luck with the dice rolls during combat in the earlier episodes affect your
interpretation or depiction of Galen. It's the reason why I said I never killed
any replicants. I was like, all right, I got a bunch of
bad dice rolls. Fuck it. I do like when dice rolls within a
session kind of then inform pre life of a character. I think this's happened
in ashes Varia or as well, like when my character like got a whole
bunch of like can you hear me by the way I think sounds going,
yeah, Like when my character got a whole bunch of like Max Ruins or
like Gandalf Ruins, like basically natural twenties. And then so PDA was like,
oh, he must have been a war hero. I was like,
oh, yes, he's such a whole bunch of wre okay. So,
actually, in rhyme, the way I created my half elf ray to in
prior Thief to Druid, he was supposed to have this repertoire with people.
You know, he had been in this sort of criminal underground in the ten
towns up in ice wind Dale, And every time I rolled any sort of
like let me talk to this person, it was like natural one natural one
natural one, natural one, and it was natural. No, no,
no, no, no way to not everything. There were some good baby
lightning. I shut up about the lightning. Damn it, I cast the
spell. I must have gotten the most minimal damage you could after I had
all this emotion behind it. That didn't matter. But what was really nice,
though, is that whack as the GM leaned into that. You know,
I rolled a natural one, and suddenly I owed money all over the
fucking place. I was bad at talking with people, I was bad at
gambling. I owed people everything. It really built the character out, which
was way better than how I had envisioned him. I think that's probably one
of the best things about tabletop roleplay is that the roles create you. That's
actually like an addendum to the first piece of advice I give a role players
like enjoy giving it others a spotlight side note, enjoy the bad roles,
yep, because that's a wonderful opportunity for RP. That's where the growth happens.
There's this that I wanted to address because I also found it hilarious.
Is it just me? Or do it? During the whole campaign, whenever
characters were in some sort of vehicle accident, they got replaced by a replicant,
or they were a replicant all along, because I thought it was kind
of weird unless it was a coincidence. Boy, that's exactly the reaction I
had when I heard flicks backstory. They were like, oh, and I
think you know, like this car accident. I was like, well,
that's also Bob's backstory. But it makes sense because too funny. I also
had a car accident, and ever since fifteen months prior, though the world
was falling, you give your idea, what a coincident? I'm a replican,
I think, uh, I think I think spinners are very unsafe,
is what we I thought it was. Actually, I thought it was really
incredible. Actually, the the the the commonality there and the sort of a
set of reflection of it. And I think that, actually, I think
is really interesting is that what Sawyer saw when the spinner crash was a fireball,
and in his perspective was like so hard. Yeah, it was like
it was like you must be you must have fucking died. But because he
was experiencing all these glitches, he was like, I must have that mustn't
have been what happened. And then when I addressed it. When I addressed
it and said, like, I, it didn't look like anyone could survive
that, you were like, well, we're here, and then Sawyer's cognitive
dissidence of well, I survived a technically survival spinner crash, So yeah,
actually I guess that makes sense. I'm right here. Yeah, no,
you're right. Actually, actually that can happen. It's fine, let's move
on. Pass it. And then I dropped it, and thank goodness because
I was like, oh dear god. But there were two There were two
behind the scenes episodes, many episodes that Flick and I did on on our
merch store fourth Wall. And in that episode, where can you find that
merch link? Pbe merch dot table story dot TV, Sorry, so you
can go there. But also in that episode, I say it, I
say it. I said, there's no way they could have survived that crash.
There's sved and you rolled like a four on your perception. So I
was like, that's it. The moment Flick is introduced, they're going to
there, you know, like that's the reveal, that's how it's gonna happen.
But I I couldn't lie. I was like, yep, absolutely there's
no way, no way. Uh yeah, but yeah, it was just
a just a strange coincidence. But I ended up using that because I like
the idea that three people were in a room and someone went this car crash
seemed to work for this one. You know, having a traumatic memory seemed
to work, and so they just reused it. You know, Like what
we didn't have throughout the campaign was the sound effect of the spinner's crashing all
the time. Yeah, right next to the gunshot, Like the sound effects
are right next to each other. Oh, this is a good one.
What happened to the blondehaired rep that Skiff was chasing for several episodes? I
feel like that was a string that led us to the reveal of the memory
implantation tech, but then she was never seen again. We talked about that,
We talked about having a scene between Skiff and Vanya and the finale,
but we all kind of just decided that it narratively, we didn't need to
have that scene because he kind of had that conversation with with Nara, you
know, like he said his piece, and yeah, he could have had
that conversation with Vanya, but I don't know. I'll let Zeke was Yeah,
ye, that's why he let it go because it wasn't his Vanya.
Any conversation you would have had with her wouldn't have mattered. Yeah damn.
Yeah, that's heavy too. Recognizing that, I mean, that's that would
be willful at that point, wouldn't it. You would recognize very clearly this
isn't the person that you knew, So it's this doppelganger that wouldn't feel real
no matter what or how much time you spent with them. I guess unless
you created some sort of new relationship, but it would never be that same
relationship you had, and that would be hurt. That would hurt to go
through. Yeah, yeah, that's good. Okay. I have a couple
of questions like this. It's like, God, it's such a parallel when
when Wallace makes that copy of Rachel and he goes, Yep, that's what
it would have been, like yep, yeah, yep, like you did
it. But you're missing something. So yeah, I'm gonna ask some questions
now. But remember, at any point you can choose not to like answer,
if you wanted to remain a mystery or open to interpretation. Spath did
Selma take in the cat and is Selma would would Selma take care of the
cat? Who? Uh shells cat? Yeah? I mean she. I
don't think she has allies. I think she probably would have eventually taken in
the cat. But here's the other part of that. She would have had
to go back to the lapd, right, she would have had to sort
through the file. She would have had to look for Quail's address. This
is after she found out that Sawyer was a replicant. This is after he
killed Nara right in front of her. This is after she's kind of allowing
things to run off the rails. This is also after she's not doing her
job right. She's not carrying out what she normally would have done as a
blade Runner, which is to retire a replicant, a known replicant. So
I think maybe before finding all of that out, she would have been in
the mindset to be like, Okay, prioritize this cat because I said I
would, because Quail died for this. And now it's like, I don't
know if I don't know, I don't know if she if she would have
had the foresight after all of this is happening to be like, yeah,
let's go take care of the cat, because the cat is like maybe the
last thing she's thinking about right now. Sorry, Quail, you know,
but but it's also like she have to go, she had to go sort
through all this ship, and she's already in her mind like LAPD's compromised.
It's compromised as heck. Yeah, so, and what you didn't know was
that cat had a galaxy around its neck and I collar Ryan's belt and eventually
the cat ends up like a cat ends up on a ship cold and a
stromo. Wow that the lord as well. Yeah, speaking of cats,
key, what are you doing? Oh my goodness. But what I also
think just just a wheel cheese made the noises. Uh, there would be
no allergies because the cat's not real. It's would be an animoid is what
they're called in the universe. So that's just me just being like, you
wouldn't have to worry about allergies because all the animals are electric for the most
part, Like the animals in the world are android, like the way we
think of you know, replicants are made organically, but all of the animals
are mechanical. Okay, mechanical animals yep, mechanicals canimals. I wanted to
say it first. Okay, Zeke, how do you think Skiff feels about
learning most of his old colleagues turned out to be replicants when it was essentially
he who was the most invested in the new side. I think it would
have been it was just like, uh, it would have just been like
a motherfuckers, Like, God damn, you were fighting against yourselves this whole
time. You didn't realize it. And I think he would have. He
would have went on to like hope that they, like after this revelation,
they would find some way to find to connect with the movement, with the
Replican movement, for with a cause, and he'd be there be like,
come on in, come on in, you know like I heard I heard
rough, but uh that's rough, buddy, that's some rough shiit, dude.
But you got more work. Give me the one and we got it
right here for you. I'll put you to work like I got. Like
I imagine Skiff working his way up in the ranks of the of the movement
and hopefully like he would want to become a guiding hand for that that is
that has seen the L A p. D side of it and has seen
like how they how they act and how they react and and all that kind
of stuff, and not from a scientific standpoint. Yeah, like like naras
more more comes from a science background than a than an emotional background. You
know, yeah, what does this really mean? So yeah, I think
that's what That's how he'd be. He'd be like, hey, we all
make mistakes, come on, but that's that's lovely though. That's to be
forgiving, you know, not that he's expected to forgive or that he has
to or anything else like that, but to be welcoming. Well, I've
always I've always tried to play Skiffs as like a really empathetic person. And
that's how he that's how he does his job well is because he can.
He is very, very very skilled at putting himself in other people's shoes.
And that's how we can talk to people from their like, talk to them
in their language, you know, as best he can't. Because I was
worried we were going to play the same character, I really was. I
was like, he should be a consistent theme throughout this show. We might
have the same ideas and the same emotions and stuff, but I'm more willing
to like say them and put him out on front street, whereas you it
takes a bit to get him out of you. Yeah. Yeah. Also
in a show where two people were literally kind of playing the same character technically
speaking, like you guys were more ways than what I think. Well,
I think once once we like rolled for stats and stuff and we started to
see SATs. That's actually when I made the decision to like go rely manipulative
and like that avenue because I was like, I don't want to make the
same character. It's gonna be terrible. Don't want to do That's why wouldn't
you said manipulation or or I don't know if we even like talked about that,
but like it seemed like that's why, like I have an a like
in the over category, which is what empathy. It's just empathy, empathy.
And then down from there, I put a C in a manipulation.
I left it. I didn't upgrade that because I was like, that's that's
where I poured each other exactly how I actually thought Bob and Selma were gonna
be thick as thick as thieves because they were. They were so similar in
their devotion and their thought processes. It just took a moment to split things
yea, and yeah, I didn't know, no real conversation about what the
characters are until we z Intidim and then they you know, grow organically.
But they were so similar that I was expecting of that. I thought they
were just going to be thick as thieves. Yep. That surprised me too,
But I loved it. I loved every single twist Like that was the
they're behind the scenes reasons as to why these two teams were paired to make
a unit. Did other units have the same structure together data for the different
research teams? Yes, absolutely, I mean I'm sure they paired them together
for I think we talked about this one a little bit. We're back by
the way, Hi, guys, Sorry about that. We talked about this
one a little bit, so I'm not going to readdress that one. But
I was in the middle of saying something which was I have already totally for
the two teams. Oh yeah, the two teams. Yeah, do you
guys remember when how we decided that? Did I just make a suggestion and
you guys went, yeah, that sounds good. I don't remember the specifics.
I feel like we were just talking about the origami stuff. Yeah,
yeah, it was like, I think that was the biggest issue. Other
than that, it was fine. The camera when you said it was like
there there was a point though, and the two with the two teams being
split, and this is very much early on. This is after the bomb
went off and we were both sort of trying to get you know, Renzo
and we were we were focused on this task. And then we go back
to the office and you know, uh, Selma and Skiff are like,
oh my god, these two you know, loose cannons over here are going
to cause all sorts of issues. So they go to go say something and
I used a term for them, and I was like, oh, they're
tattletales. Actually felt really bad about using that term initially because it wasn't fair.
The job is to report and be accurate, and I didn't actually think
Bob would think that way. It was that was a weird turning moment,
but I actually felt bad and I was like, oh, these tattletales like
a petulant child being upset. Can't they just get on board and understand that
bombs happened. So yeah, it was a weird moment. Shirt So yeah,
a poster with a kid like burned through like, oh god, but
to actually answer that originally, yeah, because I can understand now, I
guess I had originally intended that Speth's character would be Aaron's, like we would
do that reveal, So probably in my head I was like, it makes
sense to have at least one replicant on each team. But then that changed
after episode one. I was like, wow, let's go huh, yeah,
you could still be a replican. She could be. She could still
be because because we might not ever know, I mean, the whole team
could also be replicants, you know. But yeah, oh man, that
would be a wouldn't it. Yeah, Like it's just that Replica is the
only real person in the building. Is actually pretty funny. Oh my god,
they were on the whole time. Okay, oh, this is a
really interesting one. What was the first moment any of you suspected somebody else
in the party might be a replicant? Or did you have moments where you
were suspecting each other? No, never had a moment, I don't think.
I don't think I did either, because because it was so established.
Oh sorry, I didn't mean to cut you out here, Please continue.
That was it, I think, because it had been set up right at
the beginning where it was like, it's potentially you, it's potentially someone else,
potentially could be the whole squad. You don't know, you have no
clue, and so it's very much like then there is no tell, there's
no there's no way to be like, oh yeah, this is definitely you
know, someone that is exhibiting signs of not being human, because they're just
everywhere at this point in this year. So I knew it was from the
beginning to be fair you, but no, you accept you accept the reality
that you're presented with absolutely what else. But saying that that was a similar
thing for me, there was no way for me to know. I there
wasn't any tales I could pick up on the possibility was there, But I
knew that as Bob, there would be no reason to ever recognize that.
So it's something I just completely pushed out of my head. There was no
reason to even consider it until that's okay. That's the whole thing about it
being such a revelation that there was any in there. There's no reason to
suspect anybody like you don't how fucking hard they had to work to get someone
in there, and there's no reason like to suspect before that, So like
I wasn't even looking for tells on anybody, not only knowing the fact that
Zeke knows that, like we don't know. None of us know. Yeah,
like the whole time, none of us knew except for a select select
a couple of like later on moments, but like, no idea, no
no reason to suspectful turning point was episode six, Galen choking during the information
reveal, was like, that's that's a replicant right there, And again I
had Sawyer's own sort of cognitive biases not have him come to that conclusion.
But Flick was very Flick was very in that in that in that space,
what I really enjoyed, what I really really really enjoyed was all the comments
in the discord being like Galen, Galen, Galen, Galen, Galen,
and then be like no, no, no, no, no, not
Galen, not Galen, No way, no way, not Galen, and
then being like, oh my god, it was Galen. I made.
I made my mission because it was like, uh, that was a pretty
big moment, but it was like a critical stress moment and PB that again,
Peebe messaged me and I was like, Okay, this is a big
deal. I said okay, and I was like, I'm going to crash
the fucking car. Yeah, and that I wasn't expecting. I was like,
are you sure? Are you sure? And he was like yeah I
was, and I was like yeah, my god, Okay, off the
show. So it was also another moment related to that, sorry whack go
ahead, then I'll no. I was just I was just reinforcing what I
said. Was just like I was. I made it my mission. After
that point, Everybody's like, oh, Galen's a replican, Galen's a replicant.
I was just like, okay, motherfuckers, I'm going to make you
love. He's going to be so like, oh yeah, I'm gonna screw
You're so bad. Like that was such a goal. Like when I saw
that, I was like, I was like, now they're gonna feel bad
when they know that he's a replican like he was, but wasn't he the
most human out of all of them? You know? Like that was the
goal and I was doing it was so good. There a moment come about,
like I'm curious how that came about, like like because if no,
maybe maybe I should have posed it a different way if it were me,
and PB was like, brought up that thing out, I don't want to
know, and you don't want to know ahead of time, well because he
asked. He asked me. He said, I want to be a replicant
and I will okay, okay, yeah, yes, yes, and that
I was like, yeah, absolutely if you don't want to be surprised and
you it's like his favorite ip. Also, if anybody came to me and
said I want to play a replicant, I would have been like yep.
And then I said, well, let's just not let the other players know,
and he was like okay. So he did know at the very beginning,
but I had to lie and be like nobody knows because I know I
can. I know I can, like, uh, I know I can
pull that kind of stuff off not to I guess I'm tooting my own horn
here, what your horn? Man? It's just like I'm fine, like
a lot of times being spoiled for shows. I can play that off like
I'm not. I just try not to think about it whenever. I'm pretty
good at compartmentalizing that kind of thing. So I just it was just something
I wanted to do. I felt like I wanted to know and I wanted
to try and play the character, and then the roles happen, and then
it made destroyed any plans that I had, and then I just followed the
roles and whatever. Yeah, it was good. And to be clear,
I think like, even though when I initially pitched the idea, like,
do you guys want to have like this secret replicant thing happening among the cast,
you guys all were like, yeah, that sounds like a great idea.
But if anyone had any time, at any time had come to me
during this show and been like listen, I just got to know, I
would have told you, yeah, if it's how you want to play the
game, absolutely, But but I also know that like Zeke doesn't want to
know shit at all, so I can't tell him anything. I have to
surprise him always in forever, and I love that and I know that he
loves that, and so I and I do. There is a bit of
safety and knowledge and that I can just like throw anything in his direction and
he will be excited about it, even if at the end of the episode
he's like fuck you, babe, He's loving it. So it's like it's
it's good language. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so good.
Uh, I would like to say one thing, and now I'm sort of
forgetting what it was. Oh yeah. So the episode of the crash,
dude, if you go back and you watch, there is a moment where
I am panicking. I don't know if it's a visible panic, but it's
like roll A one D four because I was like, how it's either going
to be an hour, thirty minutes, forty minutes, or like two hours
as to how long it takes you two to get back to the Oh my
god, is it again? Wait? Oh no, why does it keep
doing this? I got no there it is. It looks like it's coming
back. I don't know why. I might. I just have to look
at like explit or something. Dude, I don't know what's going on.
Okay, we're back. Okay. So there's a moment. There's a moment
where I'm like freaking out because I had you guys roll to see how long
it would take you to get to the crash site. And Zeke gave me
a little bit of pushback because he knows it's unlike me to have a hard
line like that in a show, and he was like thirty minutes. I
would have gone right away, and I had to be like traffic, I
had to be like, there there was a crash. It's and to be
fair, it's realistic. You guys were like thirty stories up. It makes
sense that it would take some time to get down there. But essentially it
was like that I had. I had to be like, all right,
well it's going to take you sometime. But that left only I think thirty
minutes for them to get in, get the bodies, and get out.
So yeah, the crew is efficient. Yeah they doo good work. It's
crazy. Okay, hold on another good merch idea, Oh Tyrell clean up
crew. That's pretty good. I love that. So a logo underneath this
because I can't fucked up guys. There we go. Yeah, I uh
so. Actually I'll tell you guys that I know you. I know that
chat. You guys were asking for a Blade Runner merch for a long time,
and I just want to tell you. I came up with multiple different
ideas and then like one was this really cool like replicant eye and a human
eye and kind of merch. And then literally like I think a week before
a week before I was like yeah, I'm ready to do this. Whack
went oh god, have you seen Elon Musk's new shirt or somebody said it,
and I was like no, please, got no fault, no,
and then yeah, I was like, I can't do that. I can't,
I can't. He's got like this new merch that's basically the same kind
of style eye and I went, well, fuck boss. And then I
had like another idea that wasn't well, it's I wanted to do a moid
stop like shirt and then an electric dream style shirt. And then you know,
Meyer was like, well you might want to avoid just the termoid on
a shirt, and I was like, oh no, yeah, so we're
we have some cool ideas like Pascal the Schrodinger's cat, where like half the
cat's alive and the other half is potentially dead because we don't know, like
you know, we have some other ideas. Surely that's not already done,
is it? Oh god, but we'll well we'll look at that. I
swear, okay, now we're all back. I can see us all now,
So okay, Flick. I feel like I don't want to ask you
this one because I don't want to hear it. But it is a question
that was asked, So, how was playing in a pbe improv game experience?
I don't really think of this as a tabletop RPG. Ah whose question
was this? That's so sweet? Different from other improv acting that you have
done. Was there anything that you felt you needed to adjust to, et
cetera. Just yeah, I think most of my traditional improv experience is like
free form. Comedic improv is like a big, big part of it.
I'm I'm considered a comedic actor principally, but my favorite form of improv is
structured improv, where you know the beats you have to hit in a scene,
you know what the end goal, you know what that scene has to
be at the end of it, and you know. I used to work
in immersive theater, immersive theater experiences where you'd have live audiences in the room
with you, and you would not be able to predict what they would do.
You know, they're not necessarily in the scene with you, but if
they do something, you will have to figure out how to deal with it
or react to it. If someone's standing where you need to be in the
room, and that's the kind of thing you have to roll with. So
structured improv has been my bag for a really long time and I love it
very dearly. And that's what this show felt like. It felt like coming
home to like my favorite theatrical form where everyone was really on board and had
a general feeling of where things needed to be and where they needed to land.
So yeah, I just felt like all those skills like came and came
in real handy, and which is always helped along by the fact that all
the scene partners and the storyteller are so freaking fantastic and electric and kinetic,
and every scene feels like I could go in any direction, but you know
that you're safe the whole time. You know that nothing's going to happen that's
gonna like, you're not gonna deal with anything that you're not prepared to deal
with without without some proper heads up in advance. So uh, overall,
it was good. I'm really enjoyed Stars. I'm sorry there was another merch
idea Robert Wyndham's retirement home, and I just like him dying. What the
fuck? Oh the levels it's got levels awful. Oh my god, retirement
homes and Blade Runner must have a really different feel. I'm trying to conceptualize
what I what it would be like. Is it a retirement home of all
of the Robert Windham replicants or is it just a morgue of the replicans killed?
Why not both? There's a line of Roberts, just each one different
than the last. So yeah, hey, I have a question for Zeke.
Can you or are you interested in telling us more about Detective Lake?
Yes, actually I have that pulled up for you. Aaron wrote a book.
No, no, no, no, this is not my thing.
Don't don't even this is anything. Actually I took I took Lake from god
Well, the New Bargain Bin book I found on Amazon. That's basically this
kind of crappy you read when you're in the toilet. I mean, oh
yeah, Alan Wake, that's very cool. Mm hmmmm. But uh yeah.
Detective Westlake is his key relationship. It's a if I wrote a little
blurb. Is a fictional detective that has several books written about him in one
shitty movie. I read those books and said, that's what I want to
be. The cool, hard luck cop with a heart of gold. He
does good sometimes in a bad way. He always gets his man, but
he always loses something in the end. Rarely does he does anything come easy
for Lake and never and never does it come for free. Uh. Skiff
consults with him on tough decisions, and he usually has an answer. When
he doesn't, he just asks, how can you do the most and give
up the least? Uh? It's his Jimmy Cricket, except that he drinks
too much and can't hold down a relationship romantic or otherwise. Play kiss gifts
compass it points due north, but he wouldn't hold it against you if you
if that path curves to get there. Wow, it's a good running That's
right. That's a good, good character to have to use as as a
Jimney cricket. It's really good. Yeah. I kind of like, and
I'm not gonna like, I'm not gonna say it was like a super like
one percent original idea, but I took it from a little bit. If
you ever read the Preacher comic now Preacher comic he has he it's John Wayne,
like, is this invisible guy that tells him right I'm wrong? Yeah,
So I kind of I kind of took that idea and made a detective
out of it that he can consult from time to time and go like,
is this good he's asking himself. But it's also like I I didn't even
realize that I that this was a thing, but or maybe I took it
from my subconscious but when I was in therapy, Uh, my therapist said,
like, come up with like the best person or best like best person
fictional or otherwise that you can imagine that you know this person. Yeah,
and if you're wondering what is the right course of action, ask this person
and then put yourself in their shoes what would they say? And my person
was optimist Prime always does the right thing. He always does the right thing,
and he always has the good of everyone like on his mind. So
like that was a therapy excide, like what would optimist Prime do? Ask
him? And then you managed to get li Did you manage to get like
roll out at any point? Yeah? You just hear its constantly. The
funny thing is like, yes, a rollout is like like like keep on
truck and like just you're doing fine, just roll out? Oh just like
keep swimming. I like that. Yeah, yeah, very good. But
yeah, subconsciously like came from those different sources. Thank you for answering that.
I wasn't sure if you wanted to expand on it. I'm glad you
did, though. Okay, this is the question for everybody with how Galen
and Bob were essentially backed up after their crash, living again right after an
unnatural death with no memory of it. Would any of you want that to
happen to you in real life? No? No, no. There was
a point in my life where the idea of even being copied into a computer
was an interesting concept. I've written a lot of stories about it. I
have a story called Thesius's Brain, which is just a rip off of Thesius's
Ship, but a person's brain is slowly getting replaced with parts that does that
aspect of the brain's thinking until a point where their brain is no longer meat.
It is just this device. So and I've always loved the concept of
it. But I think there is and this is personal, This is personal
to me, But I think there is a beauty in the existence that you
get. And I don't think that I need to know or not know.
But I would never want a copy of myself going forward. I'm happy with
life being what life is until it's done. So yeah, my answer is
no. I think I answered this question like when I was like maybe like
twelve learning flash animation and I was learning how to like So you learn how
to like make an animation. It's like a character and it moves a certain
way, and then you learn how to save it as an instance, and
then you can then just take that instance and then put it into the scene
as many times as you want. But it's not that first character. That
character is there. You delete it and now it's not there, but an
instance of it comes back. So like if I get replications first as duplicate,
Yeah, it's not me, it's it's it's a reference, right,
and so if it's not me experiencing, why does it matter again? Oh,
I'm gonna, I'm I'm I'm oh, I'm so sorry. Why we're
back again? Okay, we're back to me crying about it. Can you
guys hear though? Or do I need to restart this? Oh yep,
it's just you and me chat until I refresh this. I don't know why
this is happening, guys. I'm so sorry. Okay, and we're back.
That's how I met Obama. I don't know why that tell that story
again because it'll never hit the same thing. I'm just glad this didn't happen
in the finale, dude, that's the whatever. RNG, God blessed us
there. Thank you for that. Okay, I had a wait, were
you Someone was in the middle of saying something, right, Yeah, yeah,
yeah. All this to say that, you know, like, if
I'm not the one and it's just an instance of myself, I'm not selfish
enough to want me to continue onwards. If I'm not the one experiencing what's
going on, I don't exist anymore. You know, a clone or copy
of me is in me. Even if it is me, it's not me.
I am me. I'm experiencing me. If even if it is exactly
me being me experiencing me, it's not me. Did you get me?
Yeah? I absolutely do. I think where's that question on the sheet?
By the way, um, I can highlight it for you. Hold on,
I may have blocked it out now that I've read it now, it's
fine. What page is it on? Six seven? I don't know.
I'm looking for it still. Would any of you want that to happen to
you? That might actually be on the first page? Hold on, it's
under it says anyone's uh, it's close to the top. It's right here.
It's back in the first page of the beginning first page. I'll highlight
it. Yeah, thank you so for me. This is such an interesting
question because I I think I would relate it to the singularity as well.
This idea that you upload yourself to a supercomputer and it continues on or whatever,
you know. And when I was younger, I was like, oh,
yeah, that sounds cool. Or in a long time from now,
the Andromeda galaxy is going to be so close to us that you'll be able
to look at it and like we can see the Sun, it'll be that
close. And I was always like, damn, that'd be cool to be
around to see that. That's probably the only thing that I was like,
I would like to see kind of what happens next. I'm not really you
know about death. I'm not too worried about that, but I do feel
like, man, I'm going to miss out on some cool things. But
I would never, I think, willingly want to do that, because now
as an adult, I immediately go, Okay, yeah, but some corporation
is going to own that space, and what I'm going to be unable to
die forever uploaded into this digital space, paying digital rent on a place that
doesn't like, I just can't. I've told you about this before, but
there's an actual show on Amazon called Upload and it's dystopian. It's very it's
it's a dystopian comedy that's surprisingly good. I was actually kind of shocked is
there a season of it? Because I was watching it. I know there
were two seasons. I don't know as that. I think that they did
release another one. Okay, So for me, I think it depends on
the circumstance. Like everything, it depends on how it's presented. Is it
like, oh, my family's got to pay for this for the rest of
my you know, existence. No, I don't want that. Is it
just like a weird uh? Just I don't know. Is it like a
is it a utopia kind of situation and were living in a utopia in this
scenario? Or is it the same ship that we're living in right now?
If it's the same ship we're living in right now, no, thank you.
Yeah, that's willing somebody to go to hell right now. Though.
I mean, like, you know, because for me, it all matters
like if it's me in there now, uploaded somehow, or if it is
an instance of me because I don't think of me, then, I like,
that's just it. I mean I don'nology. Yeah, it's copying anyway,
but and that's fair. Like, yeah, I just think that that
mortality is lonely, even if there's people with you. Yeah, I think
we just you just asked me, like the prestige question. Yeah, I
think we just got in the did or you the guy who gets put over
there? Yeah, we just did it pretty a pretty good in depth examination
to the horrors of that exact situation across several characters. So yeah, that's
there is no an evidence. Please refer to the last twenty eight episodes.
But answer your question, and yes, I would definitely upload. Yeah,
totally, no question. I mean you're not saying I can't like turn myself
off at some point then yes, absolutely. That was always experiences. Please,
yep, that was always my caveat as well. I'd be immortal as
long as I could end it when I was ready. But if that's a
good point, yeah, because if you can't, if you can't and you're
like no, you're forced to go through it forever. Yeah, no way,
you know, eventually you'd just be floating out in the voice your life
forever by, Do not ask for whom the bone bones it bones for the
A shirt with bender flying out in space like nothing to do floating there.
There's a book series that I really suggest everybody. It's on Audible. It's
called We Are Legion, We Are Bob or The Bob of Versus Saga.
It's about a guy that does get uploaded and he becomes essentially a computer and
he starts making copies of himself and that's that's the most basic explanation I can
give you. But he's essentially I mortal. It's a wonderful dive into what
that can do to you. But it's more sci fi and more fun than
than that question. But they do dabble with some of that stuff. What
relationships are like, what you lose, what you gain? You gain the
knowledge of the universe just in the fact that you get to travel it,
so you get all these experiences. You can go to these places and you
do all these things. But everything you'd leave behind with those choices weighed pretty
heavily. Yeah. Yeah, and that is why Bob is called Bob.
That does come from that book. That's interesting, that's very cool. I
was about to follow up and ask you that I do have another question for
you, Erin and Meyer. Why in the Infiltration episode did Bob say to
RJ that you were sorry about his sister and not his wife. Oh okay,
so and r J Meyer as RJ, please like jump in at any
point with your thoughts on this. But I sure the original concept for Bob
was that he had lost Chio, which was this woman that was not his
wife or fiance. She was a woman he was madly in love with,
but was the fiance of his partner. As things started to come out and
got weird, it was really fun, especially when Bob was with Galen at
the sushi shop and Galen had asked the old man you know about this woman
and he said, oh, I don't I think yeah, like his wife.
Maybe he was a little weird about it. So I started playing with
the idea that the memory was skewed. Yeah, and it wasn't consistent,
which can happen to you in real life your memories. So many of your
memories can be slightly wrong just because of information that you've been told or how
you perceive something. And that's fine. So I love the idea that there's
a version of Robert Wyndham where it was a sister, and there was one
where it was his wife, and there was one where it was his friend's
wife. And it was just these close enough connections to give that individual to
drive to want to kill replicants without giving a shit. They have that anger.
Yeah. For RJ, I mean, like again, all his pre
life, all his lore, everything he knew is you know, comes from
an eight minute voice from VB. So like she told me that his character
Sheep, which was literally Aaron's character Sheep from episode one. Yeah, so
I just typed it all out and I knew what was what and I knew
that Like so from the voice note, I know from that again it's your
character and whatever was canon before, like you had the memory skew is what
is kenon to you and your character? But like from the voice note,
it was that. So Robert Wyndham had this partner, and so Robert introduces
his partner to Chio and then he has essentially this like pang that I shouldn't
have done that. I'm in love with this person, why did I do
that? And then she ends up dying and then like that's why he has
this whole regret thing because you know, like things would have been different if
I didn't do a you know, like a what is it Rebecca Hamilton thingy
anyway, Like yeah, so that's what I had in my mind coming into
uh into the show. So like when you said, you know, sorry
for your you know, daughter, like immediately I'm like, you know,
like that's why there wasn't any recollection or any like a connection uh there from
RJ's end, because as far as RJ is concerned, you know, the
only traumatic instance was Chio and Cheo and everything centering that is kind of the
nexus for Uh. I guess the implanted hate that he has for replicants.
Yeah, it was. It was good to play with that. Yeah.
Yeah, that surprised me because my when I was doing the NPC for the
Old Man, I'll be honest with you, I wasn't trying to play a
trick on anyone. I was like, does he come here with his partner
and Cheo? No, he comes here alone with Chio probably, So the
guy was like, yeah, I'm pretty sure it was a life because they
were only ever together, and I was just playing off the idea that I
knew you loved her. So I assumed that the old Sushi man could see
that, Yeah, was Chio's place. She liked to go there. Yeah,
and so so I was just like, you know, because I really
don't like the ideas sometimes that MPCs are truth givers in it at a table,
you know, like every time an MPC is speaking and they're speaking on
behalf of the GM or they're you know, like that's the law. So
I like to just play them as real people. Right. So there's this
old guy who's given sushi. He doesn't really carries. He ses two customers,
they're always alone together, and he loved him, you're you know,
he could see the love on Bob's face for Chios. So he was like,
yeah, I think they were married, definitely his wife, which is
such a that's such a GM. That's such like a GM uh gripe that
happens. It's it's just like, oh, you just want me to tell
you the answer? Fuck face, Yeah, okay, okay, tell me
everything. I would like to address a potential continuity issue with all of that
stuff, because if Bob had only been around for such a short time period,
who was Chio, who was the cheo that was with him? Was
there a version of Bob that looked like this that came to this place.
Did r J ever go to this place for sushi? It was never brought
up that he did. It's very possible that a version of him and Cheo
of some degree in the past did come here. This old man is old,
been here yep, his entire life. So the possibility that this happened,
it could be a lie bro It could be like, I'm supposed to
recognize this guy. He thinks he's a regular of mine. I don't know
his order. Sure, yeah, he k it was his wife. But
you played that so well. Like when she'd asked me about this person and
I was given a description to this old man, I was like, he
is mostly oblivious to everything. He coops late yep. He and you know,
I'm like, my my usual. It's like what your usual? Yep,
it's what he told me. So I went with that. Yeah,
I was like, all right, okay, So it was really good.
It was good good to play around with this. It kept me on my
toes because I didn't know. Prise me a few times with that too.
Okay, I have a big one. Okay, it's one of the last
ones. It flick. I don't know if anybody watching in the audience caught
this, but I did, okay, and I couldn't sleep. In the
episode where Blithe says I had an accident in the gym, right, there
was an accident, but then later Blithe says I killed someone and it wasn't
an accident. I just want to know what the fuck happened to Blithe,
what happened in that gym. So the thing that you probably have figured out
about me by now is that I severely overthink everything because I think that a
very very very detailed backstory, even if it's never called upon, is very
helpful for you know, for characters purposes, and especially when you're playing a
character you think you might only be playing for like an hour if you're playing
like a one shot character. If I'm playing, you know, if I'm
at a theater show, if I'm doing if I'm doing a you know,
a short film, and I'm playing something really minor, that's when I do
the most detail work, because there's not enough time to discover in play.
So Blode's backstory was that they were a pleasure model designed to be a personal
companion to a woman by the name of Alessa, who was basically like deeply
into martial arts and was involved in some kind of like fighting circuit, like
an upper class fighting circuit, you know, something very bougie and drug riddle,
et cetera, et cetera. So Blithe was designed to be a companion,
a sparring partner, and a bodyguard for this this wealthy, well to
do person. But Blithe was constantly being pushed to Blythe was being fought onto
fronts, one being that it's like, well, I can't hurt my owner.
That's a thing I can't do. But also the person be like,
no, fight like, properly fight me. You have to properly fight me,
and being pushed in that direction too. So the notion that I had
was that someone like Unless's like partner or someone in her in her life,
was trying to push Blythe to like it's like, no, show me what
you can really do, show what a replicant can really do, And in
doing and in doing so, pulled a gun on Blithe, and Blithe crushed
this person's throat like reflexively and like a self defense, you know sense,
and this gun fired and killed their owner. So that was the accident.
But the entire thing basically got blamed on this replicant malfunctioning. And then what
I'd figured out was that the original or a previous iteration of Bob whatever whatever
whatever generation of Bob's back, that that was the blade runner that let Live
go because Blive helps, you know, because there's the thing that Roy Baddy
does where he goes back and he helps, he helps Decord, you know,
when he falls to me. It was something like that. It was
like, they're chasing me across the rooftops or you know, through some dangerous
place, and I turn back and I help, because that's that's still a
thing that comes to me naturally. And that and that and that was perhaps
a developmental moment for for that character. And that's why Bother was like,
Oh, humans can change their minds. That's the most special thing they can
do. Is you've got that Bob killed Cannon. Now that Bob let you
go, And Tyroll went, well, this one cares a little too much
room. Well side characters go. Blithe is my favorite. Yeah, blythe
was incredible, the most human character out of everybody. Livee was pure heart.
That also explains why Flick said, when you said, is this the
first time you're meeting me? They went that's a very difficult question because they
have already met another iteration of Bob, you're brilliant flick. Oh my gosh,
is really I didn't. I didn't come here to be praised. I
didn't come for this. Please stop. Okay. So I think that I'm
going to wrap up with this final question. Unless there was another question that
you saw that for you that you wanted to address, then I think that
we should ask which other player character helped in developing your character the most.
Bob Jesus, We'll just get the ones out of the way. So honorable
mentioned to Skiff because I think Sawyer desperately wanted Skiff's respect for reasons that I
still don't fully know. But that was just a thing that I had him
latch onto is just obsessively he wanted Skiff's approval in some sense or I was
always fighting for approval, and Skiff was the one that poked the most holes
in him too, So that was that was also interesting. But the character
that was most fundamental was was always Selma. It was is that Sawyer desperately
just wanted Selma to like him. Again, I think you know he was
he was designed I think on some level to be desperate for approval and reinforcement.
I think that was definitely a very insecure character, and Selma radiated security
and and just always knew what to do, just always always knows what to
do the whole, you know, straight trutor cell thing. You know,
he fucks up in that situation and where she has to save as us and
he asks her to cover for him, and she says, no, absolutely
not, That's not how we do things, which is why he later on
knows that he can trust her. It's like, I know that you would,
of all people, would not be a mole or shielding this because it's
just not like you. And I find Selma to be. Selma's my favorite
character in this show by far. I think that I think your performances her
was incredible and just that I just fully believed her in every single scene that
she was in, whether she was being a stone cold killer or being exceptionally
funny in whatever whatever themed restaurant we were in. I think it's very interesting
actually that our first encounter, I guess in this show with Selma and Sawyer
is that Selma won't cover for him, and she writes the report and she's
truthful. She says, he he hesitated, he hesitated, so I had
to finish the job for him. And what's I think ironic is at the
very end, he absolutely is there to finish the job. And she's like,
you know what, I'm just I'm just here for you. I'm here
for you. I don't want to like mess this up because you've just been
told something that is like rocking both of their worlds. And it's interesting how
she goes from that to like, you know, someone that is able to
see it from both sides of the coin. But but yeah, I think
the relationship really it was so rocky, and it was funny because I know
that Flick and I we discussed a lot of this, Like after our scenes,
we would message each other like what the fuck? What the like,
like it was just crazy, you know, because we're trying to have correspondence
but we don't want to know too much about our characters because we're really like,
dude, are you okay? Dude, are you okay? Yeah?
It was it was. It was nutty, just nutty. I feel like
I'm emotionally so tapped also from from the show, just knowing that everybody just
gave it. They're fucking all man. My answer is the first first person
that came to mind doesn't even I don't think qualify because they're not a player
coaracter. But Natalie. Yeah, just the few conversations and the reinforcement that
Natalie gave me that I was doing the right thing. That huge. Huge.
But like if we're talking about player characters, then it's not even a
question. It's fucking Galen, like, no question. Like that one moment
where he's like, keep being a cop because you know, he explained and
stuff like that, like that definitely like he I was Zeke, I was
playing skiving. I'm like, I'm not gonna be a cop anymore. I
just came to that decision and then it was just like pulling that thread,
like but wait, but wait, but wait, I got some I got
some points you need to hear. And I was just like, motherfucking made
to me, that's a good point. There's good points all the way through.
And then I went on to pairrot that ship to other people, to
the other Blade runners, like you don't have to stop being a cop.
You're doing exactly what you've always been doing, which is you're you You've let
people go. Just keep doing what you've been doing, doing the right thing
that you know is right as a cop. Yeah, I'm like, fuck,
that's right, and but that definitely for sure. But you know,
it's hard, it's hard to like to like down play Natalie's effect as well.
Yeah, like she gave me not only a little bit more of a
push to do what he wanted, what he knew was right anyways, but
like, you know, having a love it this is always cool. Yeah,
yeah, I think that's something that will always be very special about this
show. In particular for me, is that I don't normally I don't normally
play m PCs. I usually let other people do it, mostly because I
don't want to take up space at the table, but also you know,
the whole effect of like what this character is saying might be truth and whatnot.
But this is a show where I I definitely took that opportunity. When
you guys made a character and then I would try to that was a fun
challenge to try to embody that character. And I got to role play with
Uzeque I think for the first time, like I've GMed you, but I
had scenes with you for the first time, and it made the show.
You know, the show was already very special, but that is an aspect
of the show and how special it was to me that I will you know,
take away from it, like that was a very cool experience, dude.
It was like dancing. Man. Sometimes sometimes you hit a stride with
somebody, it's like dancing. It's like not only that, but but it's
like in the moment, like that, private lives just came out. In
the moment. That is not something we discussed, we talked about anything like
that was like because I rewatched that that part and she goes, you know
the show that I watched, and I'm like, just private lives, like
yeah, and that became a whole other thing. And the pie with the
fucking on it. Yeah, you know what I mean. If you've watched
Men in Black, you know, are still that fucking film? Dude.
I think that that is the characters affect other characters, the stories run into
other stories. So like with Galen, you know, he really started toppling
these dominoes where it was like, uh, you can still be good,
you can still do your job. I think my answer would probably have to
be Skiff, because Selma and Skiff were partners. You know, they they
they had an estab land, that rapport, they had a friendship, and
they had a lot of trust. And so right off the bat, when
when you know, Selma finds out that Skiff is in her mind affecting quitting
like that, that's just like, whoa dude, I that that that fucked
her up. I think, like in a really bad way because she she
had so much like a faith in him as a partner and faith that he
was they were on the same page. Can I ask a follow up question
based on what you just said? Do you think Selma's reaction was in part
related to Skiff's decision. Do you think she reacted the way that she did
to the situation, i e. Doubled down harder as a blade runner happened
because Skiff didn't talk to her. Absolutely, I think there was, yeah,
yeah, there was. There was probably some some spite there just because
you know, she had experienced not not straight up like abandonment and rejection.
She's experienced that before, but really not with the La part. That was
more of like that was more of like a this is my home, this
is where I know what I'm doing. And as soon as it was brought
to the table, like, hey, there's some dissenting opinions here, and
it's from people that are really close to you. That hurts. And I
think that also is why she and Sawyer got along so well, because Sawyer
also affected her character very very very much and inspired her at all. He
was just a rebound. Come on, That's the thing. You can't even
say rebound because in this instance, she's like, this is someone that we've
we have trusted each other, but now we're on the same page and I
know, I know that he is gonna shoot these things as quickly as as
you know I'm going to do it. So it's just like, Man,
that felt really a different different team. Well, Ricochetunochet, that that that
felt very real when you did that, and I felt that in your character
the absolute hurt and pain of the betrayal making her go, fuck it all,
I'll just burn everything. That extra doubling down. And I did wonder
a couple of times, like, man, if he had come to her
and talked to her, I think it would have gone a different way if
you just told her. For me, Yeah, that things may have been
but yeah, it was was wild. It was perfect. I'm not saying
it should have changed. In Skive's defense, he wanted that that conversation to
happen, and then all the dominoes fell and there's no fucking way to have
it. Yeah, it was so quick too. Yeah. Sorry, that's
okay, my my, my truthful answer, I guess, or like my
more developed answer is obviously Bob. But also that first episode was like a
with paulse Hodge and Janice, like essentially like r J. He he went
into the campaign with you know, like Bobizim's. However, like he has
a character, he had shirked everything right, like he'd realized that he's a
replicant. He realized he's being used, manipulated and created, and so his
whole thing was like, okay, well I reject everything that I was,
everything I think I am. I'm gonna be as empty as possible, and
all I want is revenge. And then so like when he went in with
you know, these three, he was a lot more murderous. He was
a lot more like, you know, Okay, these guys will die because
we have this cause it doesn't really matter, you know, Like I hate
replicants. I hated replicants, I still do, but I hate these guys
too, and I'm kind of just using these guys to enact my hatred on
these people instead. And I think it was like a mixture of like,
you know, Pols's humanity, Hodges humanity for sure, you know, like
yeah, yeah, Like it was things that they did that kind of swayed
you know, who he thought he was as a replicant. So I was
gonna say person, I mean, the kind of the same thing. But
like I try to carry all their things forward into like, you know,
future episodes without necessarily saying things they said, but you know, just in
terms of like, well I kill this person in this moment, Well,
Hodge wouldn't, you know, so maybe perhaps I won't. And that's that's
that. Also, Muffins, you killed it with every genus. Oh my
god, Oh my god. She was to play. I mean, sad,
you know, but it's also like she's she's got a job to do,
you know, She's there were things she had to carry out. Bess
characters broke my heart, Like I was just thinking that. I was just
like and then you know, what was it you had? Oh oh you
didn't break my heart as this guy? This guy, Yeah, that's right.
I love you. God. Peb was like, okay, so what
if I'm like, I'm there for it, dude, I'm so here for
okay? But what if can I do Spanish? She's like, yes,
I'm still kicking myself. I couldn't make that session because I saw the art
that Peeb had like for me, and I was like, oh, I've
played this character before. It would have been so good. Yes, I
would have called him Crispin and everything and I would have ruined. The entire
show would have been perfect. The stuff that Meyer lives off of. I
will, I will, I'll answer that question. I'll try and keep it
succinct. And it's gonna it's gonna sound like a bit of a cop out,
so I apologize, but I'll start off by saying that I didn't realize
but Bob would went on a It's a storytelling sort of pattern, a literary
sort of thing called the hero's journey, where you you start in a place,
you go through a lot of changes, and then you you almost come
back to not exactly the same place you were before, but it's if you
want to look it up. But because of that, which is incredible that
I got to play through that everybody had such an impact at different times.
You know, you want to be a side character. Well that was the
goal, so not for me whatever, but but but you know, but
it was great because you know, Galen was this this steady friend and then
Skiff hit him with some really hard hitting information at that gym session, and
then he got to work closely with with Selma and the ideologies matched up.
And then his anger came out towards Sawyer when he didn't believe him, and
then he met RJ which broke his world, and then he had to find
a way to come all the way back. Everybody had such an incredible impact.
If I had to pick somebody over everybody, Galen. Galen was his
his buddy, his bro It was his brother. Like you guys can ship
them all day. There was love there, There was just competmanship and it
was great. It was wonderful. But it's really hard to put anybody above
anyone else. But yeah, Galen was was a rock so much so that
I think that once once uh he had he killed Galen knowing that the reasons
for it and what can come from that is such a good thing, A
big piece of d dyed. You know, another reason why he won't have
companions or friends ever again, you know who can deal with that loss?
Yeah, that's my answer. Yeah, that's so impress it's so depressing.
If this were a movie, by the way, yeah it is a shot.
Come on, would shot a detective out one? I think if this
were a film, that's probably the scene that would haunt me the most,
is that these people who were so close like family, their last words were
to each other were a lie. Like Bob had to be like surrendering,
you know, like don't make me hurt you and you're despicable or whatever he
said about Replicans to convince them that he was, you know, and then
Galen just had to die there alone, a fucking I can't, I can't,
I can't. I wanted to turn around. Yeah, and you couldn't
even turn around and watch him die. You had to turn your back on
him. And I because I thought about that, I was like, maybe
Bob would go up and say something. It's like, no, you don't.
He can't trust it and you want to hear anything. His death would
be in vain. He has to let it go. Yeah, it's awful,
can't GB Operation PB approached me with that, by the way, as
a potential way for Galen to go, and Aaron started to do that with
Bob in the penultimate episode. Yeah, so I had my glasses off.
I can't see shit and people are talking in the discord. Peb's like,
oh wait a minute, no, don't do that shit now, Oh god,
And I can't see anything. So I'm just like I got a roll
with it. Aaron came up with it. We didn't do this. This
was what I just naturally came to this conclusion. Yeah. I never say
no, don't do a thing. What he means is like I was saying,
please don't shoot him now, like if you're going to agree to because
it was in the penultimate episode and he was like I want to do this
and that's where the play was going. And I was like, just let's
cliffhanger it and then we'll do it in the finale. Otherwise and plus I
wouldn't have the same impact. It didn't matter if you do it in Tyrrell,
if you do it in L A p D. Then it has a
purpose. And I didn't see any of these messages and I was like,
oh my gosh, and it's like, you can do this. I promise
you can do this just literally don't do it right. The second Yeah,
I didn't see that, but it didn't make sense. I was trying to
think of the reality of the situation and if no one saw it, then
maybe it wouldn't matter. Yeah, yeah, very good from For the characters
that I think affected Galen the most, it's really tough to say. I
think. I know it's a cop out, but I'm pretty sure every single
character had a major impact in what I did with Galen. Bob just you
know, know, like best buddy. You know, from Galen's perspective,
he loved Bob Skiff was becoming like a true blue friend as well, and
watching him sort of have to deal with this stuff was a mirror of he
what was going through Galen's head. And then Selma making that like absolute like
break at that point was also shaping Galen's future. Sawyer study each other,
that's sad. Yeah, well, because it's from Galen's perspective, he was
good at observing people and kind of understanding their mentalities. I think Galen kind
of understood where Selma was coming from and realized, I'm not going to change
your mind. It's not going to happen. So that's why Galen just got
up and left because there was no point in continuing that conversation. So it's
gonna get worse from there. And then and Sawyer was I think like from
Galen's perspective, always saw Sawyer as untrustworthy right away, and I think that
was kind of the basis for why he suspected Sawyer for being a replicant,
probably right away, just the most untrustworthy person in the group. It seemed
like always kind of Sawyer was always kind of on Sawyer's team all the time,
oh, hedging his BETSI exactly always what's the best I can get out
of any given situation. So I think, really, like everybody, I
don't think he really ran into r J very much to potentially shape him.
But I think, yeah, I think it was really everybody. Sorry for
the cop answer, It just occurred to me. Is the last thing the
lost words that Selma and Galen ever exchanged get the fuck out was that it
was that the last time they ever spoke pretty sure, ye, pretty sure.
And last thing she extended that same like leniency towards Galen if he if
he did that for her, she was probably like, this guy's a lost
cause. Because he's not only not ever retired a replicant, but he's telling
people, you know, like here's what you need to do, here's what
you need to do. And I think she was also probably upset because he
had I don't know if she was even aware of this, but maybe there
was some like subconscious thing about like maybe he got to Skiff. I I
just remembered something. The reason that I said that I've never retired a replicant
was because I saw Skiff struggling with Selma. That was the reason that Galen
did that was because it was like, let me take the pressure off of
Skiff. Damn wow Wow. Well, I mean I knew, I knew
what what he was doing, like in that moment, I knew exactly when
he spoke up, I was like, oh, he's going to take a
hit. Yeah. And isn't the last thing that Galen and Sawyer kind of
said in that in your Little Apartment where he says not yet, maybe when
you know me better, which was a line I desperately wanted to be able
to use that line again at some stage. But but Elast and I think
that's the last words they exchanged too, which is very interesting it's heartbreaking.
Yeah, yeah, yu, Galen has good intentions, and I mean I
think everyone had good intentions, but his delivery was just so like, I
don't think I don't think Selma and Galen ever truly trusted one another. I
think from the beginning there was there was, there was conflicts, which is
very interesting to role play too, because I remember Whack. After a couple
of sessions, I was like, hey, this are we This is good?
Right, Like this is fine. We're like, yeah, well this
is good, this is fine. This is just really intense. And in
the green room, of course you get to talk to people be like,
man, this was so fucking crazy. But there were a couple instances where
I'm like, whoa, I'm really feeling like my character's anger in this moment
and that's so hard to like put that to the side and be like but
it's it's made up. It's all like what the fuck anyway, I'm getting
off on a digit, But yeah, speak Galen checked on me. I
think when the like when Quail like get the fuck out of Like that was
really intense. Yeah, no, it was after it was after Quail.
I think, yeah, because it was so like and I'm like, Yeah,
don't worry, I don't have any bleach. I feel nothing. I
feel nothing. I feel like zero I have I don't have any like connections
to these characters that I make. Oh that's heartbreaking. Oh my god,
Oh my god. What we do? Okay? Everyone answered that one.
Okay, does anybody have any other questions for each other? No? I
don't. I don't think I do personally. A lot of good revelations here.
This has been Yeah, yeah, this has been a very lovely conversation.
And a lot of the questions we kind of touched on randomly throughout and
it just everyone was talking. It felt more like a podcast. So I
just let it happen. If there's a question that we didn't answer, I'll
be sure to kind of put it in the discord and we can maybe address
it there. We did draw the winners, but it shows the real name,
so I'm not going to read those out on stream, but I will
say, please check your email. We will need to verify your mailing address
and your phone number, and we just send that to free leak and then
free leak will send you your starter set. So congratulations to those three people
who did that. And what else did I have to say, was that
it? That was it? Right back? Help me? I don't fucking
know, right, I think that was socratic. If you got two more
puplises, what would you name them? Oh? Yeah, Skiff and Natalie
Real Is that a lie? Are you lying? Okay? Wow, Holy,
that's so cool? No, I don't. I don't have one hundred
percent of the input on that though, because I you know, I yeah,
yeah, yeah. But hey, thank you to Farana uh and uh
and keeper yes yes forgetting all of those questions and an easy document. Thank
you so much that few of our amazing mods. Thank you for all that
you do. Absolutely, and we've had a lot of really funny merch ideas.
So I would like to have something from this show, so I will
work really hard to get something for all of us. So that is something
that I will continue to work for. But then I think that's it.
And this has been amazing and I've been very oh no, oh, yep,
there comes old Yeah, push those emotions down. I'm much replicant,
and the lev break starts playing. Yeah, this show has been fucking amazing.
My players have been absolutely incredible. Thank you for giving one hundred and
ten thousand percent and gross you the audience. Also for every single comment that
you put in the discord, every theory, every word of love. Uh,
I'm way off the baseline, yes, and I did. I did
see that comment a little earlier that said, pebe you could run any ip,
So thank you. I appreciate that. I really care about Blade Runner,
so that means a lot to hear you say that. And also you
said you'd like to see me run Raiders of the Lost Dark. I too.
That is on my dream list is Indiana Jones. So maybe one day
we'll get lucky with an Indiana Jones style tabletop game. But please let me
be in it. I'm just gonna say that I was supposed to be.
I wanted to be an archaeologist my entire life. I still do. Oh
wow, life just send you down different roads. Now. He belongs in
the museum, I do. But but but I want you guys to see.
This is the Grail Diary. I have it right, Oh my god,
it on desk, my desk. Yeah, this is a Grail Diary.
I guess. I guess you're going to be in that show. Then
all right, oh my goodness. Okay, anyway, I would like us
to go ahead and go around and say our last parting words for the show.
Let's go and order Aaron, you go first, you guys, Okay,
starting words. This was an incredible experience. I will say I've been
very fortunate to be a part of a lot of Table Story productions and I'm
very very thankful for that. Thank you to Table Story as a whole for
allowing me to role play and help create stories, which is what my life
is about already. So thank you, and thank you to the cast,
each one of you. I love you, guys. I cannot believe the
incredible talent each one of you have. It made every session easy. So
thank you. Wire Hi. Yeah, basically what Aaron said essentially, you
know, not to just be another RJ Bob thing again, but yeah,
I t We've also had the fortune of being in quite a few Table Story
shows, and each one has its own magic and they all kind of top
each other in different ways. It's been really fun. I mean again,
out of the forty odd episodes that were had for this show, I think
I was only part of six or seven, but I still kind of feel
as if I was here the entire waste room. In many ways, I
kind of was watching, but like, you know, I still feel very
connected to you know, the cast, you know, like obviously of RPD
a lot with Aaron Peb and Whack before. But yeah, it was a
very natural thing coming into it and bossing around Speth and Zeke, you know,
like it was. It was so much fun and I hope to do
it again very soon with these people. But yeah, was this a shout
out or was this just the hello by yeah shout out as well? Of
course hello by Wow. I deserve to go follow Meyer and watch him do
all kinds of crap like Star Citizen and a show with Leah this show Gamers
Week in Gaming, we do a show we talk about the week the previously.
Uh you know, news and stuff and tech and check it out or
don't. It's on Spotify. Oh yeah, Speth, Oh god. Okay,
So, first of all, thank you very much to uh bybe for
for inviting me to be a part of this, because this was one of
the most magical role playing things I've ever done, and this is an incredible
cast, and I I am so not just feeling fortunate but like enriched,
right Like every Sunday I would look forward to this ship that's such a good
word for what this experience. Like, actually right, I be, like
God, I left I left feeling better, like not just about myself,
the like about my improv, but like, holy fuck, these people are
so talented and brilliant and they're putting everything they have into it. So if
you're not following everybody or you're missing out. I was really really thankful to
le Selma. She was so different from uh any other character that I've played
before, and she really allowed me to explore my own emotional depths. So
again, thank you, Peebe, thank you to the cast, and thanks
for allowing me to explore that whoa, because this was a really big commitment
and you know RP is a big commitment, and and if you're in it
and people are like, holy shit, this is amazing, uh, it's
it's fucking unlike anything else. So I'm gonna stop saying words. You could
follow me a twitch at TV Sledshell's but yeah, it'll be fine whatever way
you want to do it. Anyway, Thank you, I love you,
guys. Flick you can find me over at twitch dot tv slash Flickerclad.
I mostly do role playing, more storytelling similarly morally complex characters. I would
like to say this show has been very special to me during a very difficult
time in my life. And these guys don't realize how starry eyed I've been
of all of them the whole time I've gotten to be involved, So I
feel very lucky. Bag Hey everybody, I'm Mike Steven. I played Galen
for you on Blade Runner. I hope you enjoyed everyone's performance. I know
that I did. Everybody was spectacular throughout the entirety of the show. Well
done, everybody. It was a wonderful, wonderful experience to get to see
just where everybody's mind took them. I love Blade Runner, and I love
how PB decided to tell this story. And the way that you managed to
stay true to the Blade Runner world and how well you were able to help
everybody navigate their stories to fill that world is always something that impresses me every
time you do it. It was a very excellent team that we got to
be for this, and everybody did an exceptional job. Thank you for that.
I enjoyed myself challenging myself with Galen, a character that was definitely difficult
for me to play with the way that my mindset was basically through that throughout
the entirety of the show was tough. So thank you for challenging me.
And I really enjoyed it, and I I can't wait to see what else
everybody else is gonna do from here on, because if it gets better,
that's amazing. Think and Blood black Nothingness began to spin the system of cells
interlinked within cells interlinked within cells interlinked within one stem, and dreadfully distinct against
the darker, tall, white fountain plade. I just love that. I
just wanted an opportunity to do that. Uh, I was late to the
party. I'm played runner the the I just recently discovered a love for it.
You know, like I watched the original movie a long time ago and
I'm like, nah, it is good. And then I watched it again
as more of an adult and I was like, oh man, this is
really good. And then I watched twenty forty nine I was like, man,
that's fucking boring. Then I watched it again, I'm like, Okay,
there's subtleties. Then I watched it a third time I'm like, this
is fucking great. And now I'm now I'm a fan, like of the
movies at least. And I'm not a big reader, so I haven't read
the books. But let me start with the shout out. My name is
Zekiel the Third. You can find me at a slash Ezygiel underscore I I
on Twitch, Twitter and YouTube or Ezyguield the Third, all spelled out on
Instagram and TikTok. It's nice, It's it's a really special thing when you
can find people who you not only were, people who are not only willing
to play, but people that you chibe with in that in the playground,
and it's it's I would, I would gladly, did you know, play
with any one of you again? If you if I was invited to a
table alongside of you, guys, every one of you. Uh. It's
there's no doubt in my mind that this is a passion and you take it
seriously, and you and you take it seriously with something that's so silly,
I mean, the idea of grown adults sitting around table playing pretend. It
sounds so silly, but it's it's so important to me, and it's so
changing and so formative, and like Sveth said, it teaches me about myself
and that's that's noble. I think, Yeah, that's a good that's it.
It's it's someone said a quote to me a long time ago, and
it applies to role playing for me too, and the quote goes, I
don't even know who said it, where it's from, but uh, it's
something I take with me. I believe in the magic of the theater and
the nobility of the question. I think. I don't know what happened to
me when I was twenty three years old. I never cried and I cried
everything. Yeah, same same, But I believe that what we do as
storytellers is a noble thing to open up people's hearts. And uh, I
was honored and grateful to be part of that with you. So thank you
for having me and thank you for joining me. Wow, oh god,
thank you. I didn't think I could do this. I really didn't.
I was like, oh man, I'm gonna fall flat with Blade Runners,
one of my favorite eyepiece. And I'm so proud of this show as a
whole, but very proud of the character growth and the decisions and the instincts
and yes ding from everyone and the support you all gave each other and the
one authenticity of yourselves that you revealed in on screen in front of an audience
to be able to play your characters the way that you did, So thank
you for that. Again, Thank you everybody who watched the show. This
was a very very special show. I won't miss y'all. Yeah, miss
I'm gonna miss Sunday. And I think that's it. I can't have the
last word. I will play our credits one last time because I loved them.
But yeah, thank you everyone. Boobs, Okay, that works.
You're not crazy, Sawyer. That's the thing. Human brains are designed for.
Pattern recognition, find the loose thread. Well you've found one. A
mistake, a glitch, b lip. You were at the carnival and you
stole a peek behind the curtain. You saw something you weren't supposed to.
You saw how the hawk Dog gets made, and now you can't take it
back. What does it mean? Well, surprise, surprise, Hyral is
hiding something. First time in there seemed nice enough. You're flying so high
you start to take breathing for granted spinner all the way to Sector four.
Silver platters, all served up with privileged information over by dead eyed clerks with
fake smiles. They don't seem to care. It's nothing they haven't shared before,
or was it? See? I know all the call signs. I
got a memorized the r V F, A, B, E, N
T, etc. But what the hell is an OWL model? Maybe it's
something new for the n S, right, something I've just never seen before.
But then there's the next to six e MS. Now what the hell
is that? It's not emergency services? No, No, that'd be EMR
or maybe EMG. So what is it? I asked them a direct question,
what is the EMS designation for? I got a not so direct response
that list appears to be an error. And there it is, the loose
threat, the thing I know I meant to follow. All the next visits
are a lot less nice, a lot less cozy. You know, they
want me in and out like that. I steal a glance at Lilith Tyrrel.
She looks busy, stressed. Maybe I'm projecting the redacted version of the
reports. Ooh sorry. They really don't like that word, do they.
Well, they practically shove that in my hands. Next visit, there's no
mention of OWL. There's no mention of EMS e M S zero one,
two three, all the way through E M s zero two eight nine,
no trace, no sign. Now, if each of those calls signs is
a missing model, that is at least one hundred and sixty six new problems
in the laped's plate. So let's hope that's not what that means. That
aside, there's a few other things out of place. Vendor by the name
of Avari tricks now that name pulled a Houdini, can't find a mention him
on the new file. I got no clue what they vend exactly, but
I know someone who can figure it out if she'll take my calls, and
I really hope she does because I because I got something else to focus on.
Ky No no Nakayama. Now, who's this guy? Not top of
the food chain, but important enough to leave his name partly scrubbed alongside Avari
Owl's and the EMSs. According to publicly available information, the designer designing what
fuck knows but his name is pulling a disappear and act across all the memos
and reports too. But he is still here? Is she about to disappear
himself? Does he not know what's coming? For now? He's alive,
so there's only one thing left to do. Allow the thread. If he
disappears, I'm going to be there to watch it happen. Hello. This
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