What is up, fellow thermonuclear A efforts. I am Dampa Valley coming at you with my fans. Have you listic fans? Have you lcious? Even co host Grant Hughes. Before we get started, please remember to subscribe to the podcast wherever you consume it YouTube hit that subbuton like comment, help the algorithm, love us back. Subscribe on Apple, Spotify, Stitcher, Google, wherever you get your pods downlovery episode. If you've done all those things, please consider telling people about us. Retweet our promos on Twitter, and follow us on all the socials which are in the YouTube and podcast descriptions. And finally, join our discord. Don't be like Grant. Join the discord. Lots of fun conversations happening in there. We are on to our one question for each team in the WI Eastern Conference. We already did the West. This is part one. We will put these into two pods because Grand and I always go too long, and that's also just it makes sense. We're not about fifteen teams. Let's not overload you first and foremost, though, well one, I hope everyone we're recording this on Wednesday. We are not putting out part two on Thursday. Hope everyone has a happy, safe Thanksgiving, eats lots of food, doesn't think about the New York Knicks even once while they're eating. But the other important question, grant, how the heck are you doing? I'm doing really well, and I want everybody to know that I just wrote down at a bullet point joined discord, so I would buy bullet point what is disco. Well, there's a lot of pretty bullet points of like you know, what is a computer and how do I use one? But I'm doing I'm doing well. At the Warriors won a road game. I'm gonna decide. I've decided that I'm gonna always explain how well I'm doing relative to how the Warriors are doing. And they did get blown out by like a thousand points, but that was the B team, which has been really awful against the Pelicans. But they beat the Rockets on the road, so you know, nowhere to go but up after that? Yeah, I mean, look, maybe Philly is officially the worst road team in the league. Now, not the Warriors about that, I mean what remains of Philly right which we'll get to. We will get to them. So as a refresher, we each we split this up and we just came up with what our biggest most pressing or question is for each squad. We tried to be like in depth about this, but also the reason we're asking these questions is because we don't necessarily know the answers. And there were people specifically in the YouTube comments who were like, well, why would you make a podcast out of things you don't know? We're curious people, and like, that's the nature of this exercise, Like I don't have all the Like I'm not asking this question. I'm about to ask about the Atlanta Hawks. If I knew the answer to it, I would tell you the answer. So I thought it was an instructive exercise. Some people disagree. Here's hoping you enjoy it. We begin with the Atlanta Hawks, and my question is do they understand I guess the real question is does getting Podan Bardanovitch back help fix the offense? And assuming it doesn't, does this team understand what its biggest problems are? Because John Collins is back in the trade rumor mill and his book when you go and just look at how much he's essentially been I don't want to say buried within this offense, but how much his front court touches her down his usage rate, which hovering around sixteen at one point, down from twenty two last season. What were his exact front court touches? I think I have it here. He was at like thirty something last year and now he's down to twenty two point three front court touches this year twenty two point six versus thirty three point three per thirty six minutes last year, So that's based off minutes. It's not even just his raw playing time. And now he's back in the rumor mill. Their defense has been really good statistically, and watching them and then going into the data, I don't think there's any like noise in there. They haven't gotten They've probably got lucky on opponent three point shooting, but like Dejanta Murray has helped out a ton, Clint Capello looks really good on your co Kungu looks really good. So it doesn't feel like they're getting overly lucky. But to see this team be a top eight offense and then rank eighteenth in point scored per possession, they continue to not take enough threes. They're not getting to the rim enough either, And then the part of this again is the Bugdanovitch absence having yet to play this season, but Trey Young without Dejean Day Murray, the Hawks are a minus ten point two points per one hundred possessions with an offensive rating in the thirty second percent tile. Dejanta Murray without Trey those minutes were like kind of fine, and now they've swung in the completely wrong direction. They are a minus nine point nine per one hundred possessions with an offensive rating of one hundred, which is in the second percent tile. And when you look at this personnel, aside from getting Bogdanovitch back, I don't know how you go about fixing this internally. And I think you could get creative with certain units, maybe play the Holiday Brothers less together when Trey Young's on the courts. Does that help you at all? But I don't know that trading John Collins is the pathway to helping your offense here, and that's where I think. That's where I'm struggling to wrap my head around. Like the primary return that's been mentioned was Jay Crowder. I'm assuming it's part of a larger package that would have included picks or something. But he's not fixing your offense, and so what does this team need? I think I think it's pretty easy to identify what they need, but like how far away are they from turning around the offense or at least being able to float, because look, some of their full strength lineups are really good. Starting lineup really good. You throw one of the Holiday brothers in there for, like DeAndre Hunter is still really good. You throw Yuka in there for, Capella is still really good. So some of their top end lineups are really good, and you will eventually have Bogdanovitch back. But once you get past like the sixth, let's throw Bogdanovitch in there, the seventh guy. There's so many questions with this roster, and I think, you know, you can harp on some of the stuff that Trey Young has gone through. I know I'm rambling here at this point as he tries to adjust to sort of his semi new existence. Like it's not just a matter of oh, well, Trey Young is going to continue to get better. They're missing it feels like a pretty substantial offensive piece. Yeah, I think I mean you got you got to my knee jerk reaction to everything that's gone on with the Hawks, offense is just like Trey Young is in the ninth percentile and affective field goal percentage among point guards. He was in the eighty fourth last year, which was a career high by far. Like generally speaking, you know, his true shooting numbers always look better than affective field goal percentage because you get the free throws in the former and he's still getting to the line of town. It's just the ball's just not going in at all from basically anywhere, literally anywhere as as often as it did last year. And it's not as simple. I mean, the simplest explanation and I think, is just saying he's going to shoot the ball better. He's not going to be under forty percent from the field. He's not going to be hovering around thirty percent from three. Some of the floaters will start to fall, he'll finish better at the rim. But that's all presuming that you know, some of this role change and some of the you know, new dynamics that Atlanta has had to figure out offensively aren't factors in that. And that's that means it's not just waiting for a correction or a regression. It's also kind of working through you know some some fit issues, and like you said, when when Murray and Young are on the floor together, the Hawks are great, and that they've got like their most used lineups are are really good. It's when you split them up that it doesn't work. So that kind of cuts against the idea that, well, the adjustment is the problem. I guess moving Collins, Well, if you're trying to improve the offense, moving this year's version of Collins might do it, just because he's become so low usage, you know that they've taken away so much of what he does, Like it was the screening with Capella and now it's just like the ball is in his hands even less it wasn't his hands a ton to begin with, but like there's just going to be fewer shots available when you have mur and Trey in this offense. Yeah, and I've always liked the theory of Collins as a five, but having someone on the floor so he's not guarding the five, you know, so like a Kong Wu theoretically would make a lot of sense there because he could guard centers and I don't know, switch around and be more of a defensive lynchpin, and Collins could exploit the opposing center if you could work those kind of matchups. But yeah, as it is, I mean, I think we probably could talk about whether it makes sense that DeAndre Hunter's role has increased to really the detriment of Collins. I mean, I suppose the theory of Hunter as like fully optimized as is fully optimized self, which is to say, a good wing defender who can create a little bit and make open threes. That's a really valuable player type, more so than Collins, who's sort of the tween or four five that's an offense first guy, but like his defense has improved. It's it's a little strange. I think the combination of young just shooting it better and call if they don't trade him, uh, you know, kind of finding ways to impact the game or have a just put his fingerprints on the game more often, should get the offense back to where it needs to be. It is encouraging that the defense is good. There is better, So yeah, I don't it's tough. I hate just falling into the trade John Collins thing because that's what happens every year, you know, and it hasn't still haven't pulled the trigger. But I get it. I get it. If there, if there are as a contingent, that's just like, well, you know, he's not helping us the way that we're currently formed, and he's overpaid as a fourth option on offense. I get that. I don't I don't know if that's the fix though, And I don't. Look, you've you're not bankrupt necessarily like picks that you could trade, but you know you get you played your most of your best hands Envy Jante Murray deal. It's like what is what is like? Who is the target here? Look this team? Frankly, if they were able to finagle it and you were throwing all the young like Collins and Okungu and I trained DeAndre a hundred and afty sides, the extension would be tough. And there are picks that you can trade, I think, so they can trade their twenty twenty nine pick, I believe. So that's like, you know whatever, but you could train twenty twenty eight, swap a twenty and twenty nine pick and attach everything to throw the boat at Kevin Durant. But I'm trying to think of like a pathway of who else would become available here and would be realistic? And then bumps up your offense. There's you know, you could look at a team we're going to talk about towards the end, Like I feel like Washington's a candidate to make some pretty bold moves here. But is Kyle Kuzman doing anything for you, Monte Morris doing anything for you? No, So the availability well is weird for what they probably need. And so I'm just I don't know what direction you go with John Collins. It almost feels like you would be trading him for a role player who doesn't add too much on offense, and then you're getting back like picks and maybe prospects, and you're not at the point as Atlanta where that should be your target in a trade. So I'm I would get yess he gets moved, would just that would just be my guest, But like by the trade deadline, just because there's been he was supposed to get moved this past year, almost got moved to Sacramento. That you thought Sacramento was a blast on offense, then imagine if it was instead of instead of Barn Sabonis, Keegan Murray. What does Collins, Murray and Sabonis look like defensively? I just I don't know what the return is that's out there, maybe a star becomes available, another player that we're not talking about, but even like I kind of thought about, because Madonovitch is injured, like could you go out and get Eric Gordon maybe using salary to match that. You're not giving up John Collins in that trade though, So I'm we've already gone too long on the Hawks. But I'm at a I'm at a loss for how this thing ends, and I don't think moving him necessarily is the pathway to improving your offense. No, I agree. I do think though, that there is a financial component, which is you're gonna need to find some money to extend Murray eventually or to sign extended hunter. You have Trey Young kicking in. You did extend Capella, so that, yes, for sure, that's a great like if you do have to trade him for a role player, which looks bad just in a talent exchange. From a talent exchange standpoint, you are kind of also considering the realities of we got to find some money somewhere to keep the guy we just traded, you know, million first rounders for. But yeah, so I got the Celtics next. This is kind of a niche thing, but it really jumped out to me as I was looking at some of their some of their numbers, they're last and forcing opponent turnovers, which kind of goes hand in hand with the I guess it's not surprising because of who's not playing, namely Robert Williams, but their defense hasn't been a strength this year. The offense has been phenomenal. They're shooting a million threes and making enough of them to really be one of the best offenses in the league. I just wonder, you know, this is the only thing really that qualifies as a week point right now, is that they just don't force any turnovers defensively, and it's kind of an issue that is pervasive across all their high usage. You know that there their lineups that have played a lot of possessions. You know that, you know, every team's got or the teams that have been reasonably healthy have like three or four lineups that are you know, eat up the bulk of their possessions. Whenever Horford is at the five, which is true of their four most used lineups, they just don't generate turnovers. So it's not like I don't know if it's just Horford. I think there are a lot of factors that play, Williams being out being the main one, because everybody else plays differently when he's in the role that the Celtics kind of discovered he should be in late last year or midway last year, and to that point last year when the two most Celtics, the two Celtics most used lineups with Williams involved, we're sixty six th eightieth percentile enforcing opponent turnovers. So maybe that's your answer. I think it owes to maybe like there's more drop coverage, there's more conservative schemes, there's less gambling because Williams isn't like parachuting in from the corner to block stuff. On the week side, I think maybe you know, I'll answer my own question a little bit. Do these Does this matter? Like if you're last in the league in something, it piques interest, especially if it's on defense and you're talking about the Celtics because of what they did. I think probably the way I view this is they're this good without forcing any turnovers and while playing a defensive scheme that doesn't isn't going to look like what they employ in the games that really matter. If everybody's healthy. So the frame I put around it is, man, the Celtics like they've got a couple of levels to go up, you know, from where they're at right now, And that was kind of making me reevaluate my thoughts on and I think we shared this of how Milwaukee is just kind of, you know, beyond reproach. Once everyone's healthy, there are no questions, no notes about the bucks. I feel like the Celtics were not a team that I put on that level of starting the year, but based on what they've done so far and based on the room they have to improve, I mean maybe that was a mistake, I guess, so I don't know where that leaves you to respond. But the turnover thing is is wild to me, just based on how dominant this defense was last year. Yeah, and I think maybe it just changes, as you already mentioned when Rob Williams the third comes back, and how they're able to guard that way, and how it changed the dynamic for everyone else who's on the floor. But it's just I can't I think I'm with you where we underestimated how much of a short thing this team was, which is wild because they added Malcolm Brogden even at like we knew the Gallanari injury in the RW three, but they added Malcolm Brogden to this group that just made the finals, and whether you thought it was like a little fluky or not, and the fact that they are like you know, you mentioned Milwaukee, these are Milwaukee must are the only two teams that rank in the top five of rim frequency allowed and three point frequency allowed. Like their opponents are all taking just a bunch of mid range jumpers. And I think when you look at the numbers, like it's gonna bear out, like, oh, they might be getting actually unlucky when you're looking at what opponents are shooting on some of those like yeah they've probably gotten Yeah they No, they're not really unlucky from three or other rooms, like nothing's been super unlucky here. I think they can at full strength be more aggressive than they had been and I can't. I'm with you. They're in the territory or the tier of I don't have notes or concern And I think maybe even when you look at the Western Conference, some of the injuries that are being dealt with there, some of the slow starts there too, Milwaukee and Boston. It's not just the East, it's just the entire league, Like those are the two surest things that the NBA has right now. Yeah, I feel like it's, you know, the two the two points that gave me pause about Boston. I'm probably I can't remember now, but I probably took their under whatever it was was, Well, they lost the coach that you know, we have all decided should be credited with their defensive overhaul that turned them into just this juggernaut part way through the year. Last year, Imodoko is not there so, which seems misguided in hindsight, because it's not like, you know, the personnel knows what they're supposed to do defensively, and to attribute something like that to the head coach and not an assistant. Lots of teams have defensive coordinators, you know, like that. That may have been a mistake, But I am surprised that Robert Williams absence like hasn't really affected the bottom line. It's it's changed the way that the Celtics have been good, but it hasn't it hasn't, you know, affected their overall quality. I don't think like they still have lineups that are like plus twenty something per hundred, which you know, isn't quite on the level of their their really very best lineup last year. But yeah, they got a level to go. I think that's that's my main takeaway is they've got a level to move up, and they're arguably the best team in the league right now. Look with the way that, yeah, I was a would say, with Drew Holiday on his jumper and then Jonas at the free throw line not hitting his mid rangers and not shooting well from three, you could probably the case that Boston is the shortest thing that the NBA has right now. Yeah, you really could. That leaves me with the Brooklyn Nets, and I have zero desire to talk about Kyrie Irving or Jalen Brown word salad at this point. For that matter, I'm still curious. I know he's been Benton. My question is what is Ben Simmons now on offense? And he has been a lot better over the past three games. We've seen him use more as a screener. He is like he's scored a little bit more. He's coming off some really strong performances. That being said, he still hasn't finished ten possessions as the role man. And then while he's been better over his past three games, he's averaging five drives per thirty six minutes. In those three games, he's averaging three point eight drives per thirty six minutes. On the season. He was at eleven point three drives per thirty six minutes in twenty twenty twenty one, his last fully healthy season. And I think this has been a question that's been bandied about already enough, but it's still an issue. And when you go back and you watch Ben Simmons this season, you could talk about how injuries have affected him, how he's been like unaggressive even relative to his standards. There's just something that's still off. And part of it could be if he's playing with another big and I know they've cut down some of those minutes, he's getting rid of the ball so much earlier. He's just not passing the free throw line. Go back and watch a lot of his assistant transition. They're like these shuffle passes that he might have thrown before even crossed half court. And I just don't what is the best version of Ben Simmons, even on offense right now. And it doesn't get you know, Kyrie Ivery's been back for one game, but like, what is what does it look like when you are at full strength? Are you always going to get the fact that he took thirteen shots against Memphis was absolutely fantastic and that's what you want from every single game. Is that replicable and if it is like you're seeing concessions being made by other guys, I think the I saw a bunch of what he did at Portland and then against Memphis and that Kyrie's return, Like those those were big deal performances. I'm just wondering if are they sustainable? Are these just a very small snapshot of a season. But his past three games have been I would say highly encouraging and even had some really good defensive moments. There is this going to be something where his role sort of fluctuates and seesaws though from uh, you know, game to game or like I don't even know, like week to week or just based on available Is he built to adapt in that manner on offense? I honestly don't know. But if this is the if Ben Simmons can and I'll phrase it this way, if he can play within the flow of an offense and be effective slash aggressive rather than dictating the flow of an offense, the nets, so long as they stay together and don't implode because of something that happens off the quarter, someone requesting a trade demand. They might be like friskier than you and I have credit because we're just both out on them. And I'm still I'm I don't trust the nets. You should not trust the nets. That's not that's a terrible decision. But what is like, are you more optimistic for Ben Simmons on offense now or are you still just I'm I'm probably more. I might be more confused than ever after watching The Best Two Kids, right, yeah, no, I mean the numbers have improved, the eleven to thirteen effort, you know, great, it's still I think for me, like there are blueprints right where of guys that have similar limitations, which is like that cannot and do not shoot from the perimeter, and that generally speaking, you know, are out there to possess the ball to move it. You know, I'll you know, sorry, but I'll bring it back to the world. Like Kavan Luney's role on the Warriors, and granted this is a center that you know is the fifth option at all times, but he is integral to their offense because he understands how to screen, how to pass, how to how to get guys open, how to be just like a connective piece. I mean, Draymond Green, really, if you want to stay there, is kind of similar. Like he doesn't get guarded on the perimeter. You know, he's he has to be effective by setting other players up. The problem is, like Ben Simmons is a max salary guy that you know is playing with or when the nets are healthy, is playing with offensive players. That should really open up scoring opportunities for him. And if he's not willing to take advantage of those, which the drive stat is really telling. The lack of free throws we've you know that everyone's talking about that those two things are linked. I think if he's not willing to attack against defenses that are basically daring him to do something with the ball, then I'm not going to be convinced that he makes sense as a key piece of a good team. It just because, like or and or, if he just became like a legitimate defensive Player of the Year candidate. Again, like if he if he really could play center and really could switch across five positions, I don't think that's realistic, just because the nets. You know, they don't rebound, they get killed inside when they play centers. Ben Simmons at center I think exacerbates those issues. So yeah, that's why it's a good question. I don't know what he is. I'm not super optimistic, even after some better play over the last week or so. It should be noted we're recording this the night or the morning before he goes back to Philly, so like, who knows what's going to happen there. I just I don't see a pathway for him to really help the team, just because the aggression, you know, it just isn't there. That like, the willingness to attack, to get fouled, to try to score isn't there. And if he's not wired that way, fine, but that's just that's just what it is. You can't just be a ball mover without doing much else. And that sells him a little short. But like, but not too much are you would you say you're more optimistic the same after the you know, the past three games, slightly more, But it hasn't like fundamentally changed sort of what I think his role is on this team or what it can be. You know, if it's a health thing, if it really is just the back has not allowed him to play, to move like he wants to. Then I then sure, but it's not clear to me that that's the only factor in play here. So we'll move on. Boy, we got through the nets pretty pretty well there. I'm surprised. I think they been beaten to death, which might have helped. But I still think that's the biggest if we get harp on Kira's availability. But like the biggest question is just like what does Ben Simmons look like an offense? Because that is your single biggest swing piece, and he's the guy that's probably gonna be there the longest because Kyrie will be gone most likely. And Kevin Durant is you know, it is already asked to be traded, and I know it gets asked a bunch, and I just tried to tackle questions that you and I haven't discussed ad Naus' already, but wondering are they like does Kevin Durant request a trade at some point? Like what that's a that is a fair question. You could say, slow hanging fruit. It's it's a it's a fair question. Yeah, that's the thing. It's you want to pick the Yeah, I mean that is that is I mean maybe that question defines the season more than any other for them, But like, what are we gonna say, would you if, like, whould you bet on Kevin Durant finishing the season in Brooklyn? I? Who, Man, that's a great question, because I don't know. I think I would, and it's only because I'm not sure where the package to get him comes from. Yeah, you know that could change as we get past in the middle of December and some more options open up, But yeah, I don't know. What do you think he would be if you had to bet? Is he there at the end of the year. I want to be like spicy and say that I don't think he will be. And I feel like just everything we've seen about this team points against the sensible happening, where it's like, well like re evaluated over the summer. You haven't even like figured out your head permanent head coaching situation at least even though Jacquevaughan is there right now. I I don't know. There's just like Phoenix not having made a move yet on Jay Crowder, and just like once DeAndre and becomes trade eligible, I just I almost and like Miami will get to them sort of just floundering around, like dude, they come in, but you're right, like the package to build him. I do think he's upped his stock since the initial trade demand because there's not as many questions, maybe about his durability, but like this just feels weird to talk about too, when you have the Nets coming off of two straight victories, which is a big deal for them, and maybe maybe they'll get a third straight. But if I want to say, I think Kevin Durant gets moved this year, but I feel like I'm afraid to say it. I feel like I'm afraid to say it. So people were listening were basically know that I'm thinking, I think Kevin Durant gets moved. Okay, God Wade, my dog, Wade agrees. It's been Wade stamp of approval. I got the Charlotte Hornets and this really is like this is low hanging fruit, but it's the only it jumps out to me as the only question we really need to talk about is does ownership slash management have the guts to tank? And I think what we've seen over the last few years suggests that the Hornets just aren't. That's just not how they prefer to operate, and it would go against you know, just sort of I don't know who to ascribe it to. It's easy to say Michael Jordan just doesn't want to preside over a team that's not trying to win. But you know, Indiana operated that way for a long time, and though the Pacers are not bad now, they at least took steps to you know, rebuild and get younger and just sort of see what happens. But so to me, the Hornets, they have a lot of cover if they did their four and fourteen. They have the worst offense in the league. That's tied directly to Miles Bridges not being there, a LaMelo Ball missing thirteen games, playing three respraying the ankle and is out again, Gordon Hayward's hurt. Predictably, They're getting very little of interest from any of the centers they have on the roster, especially the young guys that have not played, you know, Kai Jones, like m i A. Mark Williams is down in the G League and doing well, but still not not ideal for a bad team to have a lottery pick just down in the G League in year one. If it's year three, like James Wiseman. Then it's totally fine. But so they have excuses like they can they can steer into this. They're four and fourteen as we're recording this. It would be like as understood of a tank as there has been in the league for a long time, just because oh we're hurt, Oh you know, forces beyond our control of Miles Bridges. Isn't there that LaMelo? You know, just it's all there. It's it's so easy, It would be so easy to do it. And I think you could make the case that this is a team that needs a second piece worse than almost any other in the league, just because other than the LaMelo, Like, I just don't know who is on this roster that you could feel good about building around, you know, like as a real piece. So it comes down to ownership and management, like and I guess coaching, because Steve Clifford probably did not think that this was the way the season was going to go when he agreed to come back. So I'm curious, like, do you view Charlotte the same way as like an obvious tanker that just really needs to embrace this or and part two, do you think they will actually do it. I think it's there's not even a question there. I think Hornets fans would even say that it's time to tank and or maybe play J. T. Thor a bunch with Nick Richards and maybe you wind up winning games on accident. But LaMelo's extensionalege role this year you need after this season, like you need to find him that second guy, and the best way to do that is going to be through the draft. I don't know what a tear down necessarily looks like for them, because I don't know what value you get for Gordon Hey or even a tear or's yer who's been he shot the ball got off along corner threes and for mid range. This year you're certainly, you know, like you can maybe get something for Kelly brig Junior. Is Cody Martin wore something once he's trade eligible? He's been injured At this point though, it almost makes you wanted or do they what is do they need to tank or they just naturally that bad? Like do you just keep Maybe LaMelo comes back again since he's day to day right now, and you start rattling off a bunch of victories and then maybe you make the tough call I just don't know. I think you could leave them alone and they might still be one of the four worst teams in the league. Yeah, I think the main thing would be just LaMelo gets SGA treatment, you know, the last couple of years, or just you really slow play it, which honestly, you know, do you read if it's aggravated the same ankle, Like, that's the type of thing that really might just need a couple months, you know, a couple more just and you know, just take really take your time. The other way that that manifests itself as a tank manifests itself is you really do kind of look at the Russell Westbrook stuff and maybe you take one pick back to make it a Gordon Hayward trader. You know, you you just look at stripping off anybody that has any significant money beyond this year and really go for it. The problem with that is, I think, based on how this team is operated, you're talking about now like a multi year rebuild, which is harder for me to imagine that, you know, being sold, than Oh, we're gonna we're gonna do like a one year thing and then we're going to retool and be right back at it. I guess if you end up with Wemben Yama, though, you know, the patience gets extended quite a bit. So is that the is that the move then for them where it's sort of that juggles Michael Jordan's natural impulses versus what they should actually do, where it's okay, Kelly Bridge is going to be a free agent, so he's going to get traded, and maybe you're just playing a bunch of your young bigs, a bunch to kind of see what you have and and all of them, and then you're shutting everybody else down and you're hoping you get women Yama, Scoot Henderson maybe, and then you're trying to win again immediately next year. Not the route I would go. I think it needs to be a multi year process because if I were them, I would absolutely if the Laker if they were gonna given me picked, but I absolutely trade Heyward at least for Westbrook plus Ubrey. If you want to go that way, maybe you value Tarrior's year, but I would get Tarriors. There's money off the books. Just be super Len. He's a good player. I think he's shooting will normalize some but I just don't know what purpose he's going to serve on this team and they're just so devoid of bright spots. I mean, I shouldn't say that Nick Richards has been frisky. JT. Thor's a shot of adrenaline. Dennis Smith Junior's story has been fantastic, just his defensive efforts. I'm's finishing around the basket, the passing, the passing that has come along for him. But like if Dennismith Junior were twenty percent away through the season and he's like your rosiest storyline at this point, there's there's probably an issue. And I think, look, I still like PJ. Washington. He seemed like he was in an outsized role and had for most of this season basically looking at the personnel they've had, and I thought they've done some interesting things with him. The elbow touches that they've juiced up have worked out well for for stretches, but he also has just had wildly uneven offensive before I wrote about it, Whereas like a vascillates between like, Oh, this is incredible and what the fuck did I just watch? He's going into restricted free agency, and it's like you kind of have to ask yourself, should we be moving him. We never see guys who are worth like anything get moved on their rookies skill like Grant Williams didn't come to the extension with Boston. He's gonna finish the year in Boston and you'll play it out and restricted free agency. So my guess is they would keep him, but you know you're gonna lock yourself into another player from this core who you're not really I guess short fits. Perhaps he doesn't cost the cost basis won't be that much, but I would at moving him. I would look at moving everybody. But I'm just wondering if because he's going to be a free agent, because Kelly rid Junior is going to be free agent. It's that just sort of the that's the low hanging fruit for this team as well. We serve their market. We're gonna suck anyway, but they should go to the new Lear route. I would. Your question was, do I think Michael Jordan will let it happen? I don't. I think the Hornets might be bad enough to have incredible lottery odds without doing anything. I don't think they're gonna steer any further into those lottery odds or a future that puts them on a multi year trajectory where it's not like, oh, we can't contend for the ten sea before they say whoa, whoa, whoa, No, no, no, we can't do that. Yeah, it's it's it's a it's kind of an indictment when you know a franchise really just consistently aims for the middle instead of the top and is so bad at that that it ends up taking anyway. That's that's hard to do. It's bizarre too, because it's do they does Michael Jordan internally think that this roster is supposed to be a lot better? Do you know what I mean? Like, is he actively going into this like, oh, I'm trying to get that gate revenue on one playing game, or or is it like he actually thinks like, oh, like we should be like a top six team in the East or something. That's what I'm very curious about. That's a question we really can't answer. That brings me to the Chicago Bulls and my question for them. I have many questions for them. I'll use the central focus here. Should we be concerned about Zach Lavine? And I'm not just talking because he was benched at the end of the game against Orlando, they did the Bulls just shellact the Celtics without Lavine playing particularly well. He did play, He was eight of twenty from the floor, but in his so he returns to the rotation after a game out, and in those seven games he's shooting forty eight point five percent on two's actually higher than his season because he's been shooting basically a career low on twos, thirty two point eight percent from threes. His free throw clip is at a career low. His fifty three percent at the rim is basically a career low. His finishing there is it time to worry about him? And is there anything that the Bulls can do? Is it just a matter of Ozach Lavine needs to be better for their offense to be better. They've held firm at twentieth and points a lout per possession over this small stretch, but now we've seen defense progress even more. I've contemplated, should they have a starting lineup change where they're pulling Patrick Williams for Javonte Green just to give you that extra athletic juice. I've wondered, like, oh, is this just sort of they have a deficit of shooting, and even if zach Lavine starts hitting more of his threes, and look, he wasn't even I think he saw like thirty six percent or something from the season. It's not like, you know, disastrously low. Is this just a function of the roster. They don't have enough shooters and Lonzo Ball is probably not going to play this year, So you sort of have to take your medicine there and asking all these questions, is there anything that they can do outwardly because they're approaching I'm not saying they should blow it up. I'm not trying to turn that into this discussion, but like you're entering this weird spot now because you might end up in the bird right trap with Vukovich who's not been he hasn't been bad this year, but he said it towards free agency. You already paid zach Lavine, you have de Rose and Lonzo Ball Caruso, Like, can you count on the health of this roster? What is Patrick Williams? He has looked he's been up and down this year too, Like some of his numbers are very favorable, but he's just looking it looks like he gets it on offense and then he doesn't. And then I will say, particularly over the past couple of weeks, it kind of feels like some of the main players on this roster might not really give a shit about defense anymore. So that's the vibes I'm getting. And so those are my overarching questions on the Bulls. I do think that's why I don't want to ask this question, and you can disagree. I think we should be worried about the bulls. Zach Lavine questioned, Is this like, you know, knowing about the knee stuff in the rearview now or that he's still dealing with, is that something to be concerned about now and moving forward? I mean, so big, big picture, Yeah, I'm concerned about the Bulls. I think you know, if we've talked at all about the Bulls at any point in the past, I've probably said just how bad I thought the Fuschevitch trade was on its face, and because of sort of what it signaled, this team thought it was going to be able to do, which was be a lot better than I thought that it could with Fuschovich. And then you know, even that ceiling never seemed all that high to me. So you know, there're seven and ten right now that the offense sucks, the defense has overperformed, I think to my mind, considering Lonzo Ball hasn't played, and considering you know, Levine looks slower, Derosan has never guarded anybody, and you know, Caruso hasn't been as good as he was last year, which is probably foreseeable just because he was so impactful, especially on defense early last season. So like, yeah, there's myriad issues and points of concern Lavine for me, like you said that it's the knee, the knee just doesn't Wouldn't it make sense if that were the explanation, right, if if all it was was this is a guy that's had an ACL in the past, that's been bothered by knee trouble, you know, for portions of what the last three year really years and then it kind of you know, had another procedure. Is a guy that, while a great shooter, was really defined early by just ridiculous athleticism, just like one of the swoopiest, you know, most explosive open floor leapers that we had, and he's just not that anymore, and so adjusting to that as difficult, just not getting the kind of production you can get from being more athletic than everyone on the floor makes that harder. So I would be worried for sure, especially considering what they're paying him for the foreseeable future. You know, he can't He needs to be someone that is on, you know, a night or two nights a week, close to the best player on the floor, and he hasn't been that, you know, at all hardly ever this season. And was you know, as it was to play off the controversy and the drama lately, like wasn't on the floor at the end of a game recently, And it kind of made sense based on how he played to that point. I just think that he had on that by the way it was, it was fine. It was just like I thought that was just really self aware and someone who still only twenty seven and wants to be on the floor. I thought that was like bravo to him and like Billy Donovan for hash And I thought I thought it was I thought it was so undramatic what came from that, Like the moment felt like oh, but it was just like I thought that was like good for good for zac Lavine. I thought I thought that was really fucking cool. Yeah, No, I totally agree. It doesn't change the fact that, like this may be something we have to deal with again, you know, and then we'll see, we'll see how it goes the next time. The fact, yeah, that being I don't know, I guess maybe I'm always like nervous for players that a large part of their effectiveness was based on athleticism or is that's why I'm like always scared for John Morant and why I was skeptical about Zion early on. It's just if that's really what's getting you buy to a large degree, you know, it's gonna go at some point, and if you have injuries that kind of fast track the decline of that elite athleticism, then some guys just don't adjust well. And you know, I'm not saying Lavine will never be as good as he was just say last year, but like it's it is he is playing differently, so and if that sustains, then like for sure you're worried about him. And then also the bulls, because then you're talking about a team that you know, maybe doesn't have a lot of positive value assets if they do decide to pivot, because the guys that they have are either old or expensive or both, so you know, it's an issue. I guess I didn't expect a ton from the Bulls, so I'm not like shocked. But if you did expect something decent from Chicago, this is a pretty concerning spot to be in. Yeah, and they just don't like they owe their first round pick this year and in twenty twenty five, so there's not much you can do on the trade mark it. I guess shooting could come a little bit cheaper though, Like they don't need to go out and I mean, you could argue they need to go out and get a star, but you could go out and maybe get shooting for a lot cheaper, just because that's something that they clearly need for this team. Yeah, we've got the Cleveland Cavaliers next. This again another I keep. I don't know. Well, I shouldn't complain because I'm getting a lot of the good teams and you're getting the controversial or difficult ones to do. My main question, which you can tie to lots of other things, is what are they gonna do with small forward. That was an issue coming into the year because Isaac Accorro just didn't pop. Carris Lavert has had the bulk of the starts there. I mean, if we want to just get down to it, like Dean Wade is the answer based on all of the lineup data and on off numbers and sort of the role that he can play because Lavert is an on ball guy. That just makes sense to me. Even though he shot it better this year than you'd expect. I think, I don't want to you don't hold me to that, but I'm pretty sure at least earlier this season he was looking pretty good from three relative to his standards, But Wade is the better catch and shoot guy. He's got more size, more length, kind of fits like a yeah Leavert's at thirty seven point three percent from deep, which is pretty comfortably a career. You still start to see like the struggle of like him starting and how it wasn't necessarily like the cleanest fit, and so I think where you do two games off the bench or something looked a lot a lot better for him immediately. It makes more sense if you're built around Garland and Mitchell obviously, but then also if you want Evan Mobley to start kind of being a little bit more involved offensively in terms of his facilitation, he's been a monster over the past like two weeks or whatever. So then what's Lavert really out there for with that group? Now you're gonna mix and match throughout the game, but I'd rather have that guy coming in with mostly bench units and just yeah, get us some high volume, like slightly below average efficiency offense for four or five minutes, and then we'll bring the big guns back out Like that's that's the type of role that makes sense for him. So I think Wade is the answer at the three. You know, I guess they could go out and try to make a move. I kind of would like to just see how this looks with everybody healthy and in the right roles, which I think you saw more of minus the Garland missing time during their really hot start. But I just it's just one of the most glaring issues positionally on a really good team that we have in the league. And again maybe that does a disservice to Wade, who's hurt, but he seems to make sense plus twenty four point five with him at the three alongside the starters, minus four point three with Lavert in that same role. This is through Monday night's games, so it could have changed. But if you have lavert On with Garland and Mitchell off. This is to my let's move him to the sixth man role. The Cabs are plus eight point two. So that's a tiny sample. Who you know, you could have an opponent hit like four threes instead of making, you know, missing four threes in that small example, and it flips the whole thing. But it fits the theory of how this team I think should sort of be built. But yeah, I don't know. I think, unless you're gonna swing a deal, unless you're gonna like, I don't feel like Crowder is the right guy for that. And I want to say that there's some you know, obstacles to him coming back to Cleveland. I just don't know. I don't know what you do at the three unless you really think Dean Wade is the guy that you're gonna have out there at the end of games, you know, theoretically in like the second round of the playoffs. Even yeah, I think that's a fair question. As good as Dean Wade is and I'm I really like Dean Wade, I don't know, Like, what do you look at with their trade assets? I don't think Isaaco Coral has done anything to boost his value externally, and I think you're at the point where until you see Rubio what he looks like when he comes back, I don't know that you can't even justify moving LeVert at this point. Are we overreacting to like they had like that really dry spell? Uh you know where they lost what was it five in a row and like it was all like they always to the Warriors, who we don't sucks, Like losing to the Warrior is a big deal. But they ride off three. I mean, like beating Charlotte and double overtime something anything to brag about. But you pummel Miami, you handily take care of They beat Atlanta on Monday. So I'm just like I can't bring myself to have urgency for them because I still feel like the Donova Mitchell trade was made with the bigger picture in mind and so that if this is something you address over the off season. One, by the way, you could still have cap space. That's when I would wild, Right, that's wild, And I think what helps is that because there's no urgency, like you can sit on the trade market and see what develops and maybe you're able to pick up someone to fill what we would call playoff three minutes because you don't think I mean, like because their second best option at the three functionally, I think you could if it's talent, it's Carousel Vern like is it Lamar Stevens, because like who's been starting. So I'm it's when you're talking about the highest level and I think, you know, Caps fans might want to nit pick on like maybe some of the other struggles that we've seen, but like the fact that you know, Donno Mitchell, Yeah he's cooled off. But Darius Glands looked really good. Like that's the benefit of having this rosters. There's just gonna be guys. Casselavers looked really bad, but before he started missing time, but then he comes off the bench, like I said, I think it was for two games. He just looked at least a little bit more at home. But that's the benefit of having so much talent and depth here. And I think, look the bigger development for me, it's just like Evan Mobley, like low key just looks like a monster on offense over the past couple of weeks. Like he's shooting, he's hit fadeaways, he's hit some some hook shots. They're not the highest of efficiency but like the situations that they've put him in, they're really trying to plumb the depths of his offensive skill set and to do that and still not be bad is really important. And is the answer just, well, Evan Mobley is our right defender because we have Jared Allen and we'll move around everybody else as we have to. So I guess I don't feel as strongly as you that they need somebody this year, but that is you look at this roster and that's just the like, that's the no brainer, like what could they do here? Because if they upgrade that spot, like they vault up the like they're already in like probably the second tier of title contenders still just because I know again they had that dry spell, but so many teams are going through that, like the first tier is Boston and Milwaukee and then there's like a bunch of teams vying for that that second like one that that you know, the second tier of title contendership. Yeah, No, to your point, the answer to every CAP's question is, well, like Evan Mobley could fix that, you know whatever it is, Like you need a point guard, sure, give him a year, he'll figure it out. Like yeah, he's He was always the answer, right he even when the Mitchell trade happened, it was always, well, this is fine as long as Mitchell's the second best player on the team and Evan Mobley is the super duper star, which I still think is probably how where this where this ends? He is shooting, by the way, about forty four percent on two point jumpers over his past eight games. It's happening. It's gonna happen. Yeah, it's it's happening. That leaves me with the Detroit Pistons, who they like. They forced this question onto us the Kay Cunningham left shin injury. He is. I was hoping we would find out either during this podct gastor before it, preferably, whether he was going to surgery route or rest route. A lot of people seem to expect he's going to go to the surgery route that he will miss the rest of the season. I don't know if that's going to be the case. And it's are there any silver linings here? And I think you could take the I think the easy questions. Are they all in on wemban Yama now? And it's like if Kaide's not playing, Yeah, like you could let Dwayne Casey try and win games. He not winning no games. I would argue if Kay cutting him was out for the season, they'll wind up training play out by Danovitch, which then gets super interesting for the trade market. I'm just mere curious, like what does this team. There's the easy experimentation is okay, like we're gonna see even more of what we have in Killian Hayes and jay Nivy. But I think, like I just want to reinforce that while people have issues with the I guess the acceleration of Kay's development, he is still hyper important to this offense. When he's on the court. They have a one twelve point two offensive rating that's close to league average. Without Kade, it's one or six point four, that's the twelve percentile without Kade, and with Ivy it's one oh seven point eight, so a little bit better than the eighteen percentile. I'm very interested to see what Jade and Ivy kind of looks like having control of an entire offense. I do feel like sometimes he's been better than I expected him, and Jail and Dirt and both, I do wonder if like he is sometimes goaded into just taking like he bails out to easily the defense, like goaded into taking these shots that he shouldn't from the perimeter. I do think, though, when you look at the way that he's able to attack if you're gonna put him in lineups where there are at least three shooters on the court, that maybe you discover something about yourself and the way you can play without Kade. I do not see a silver lining though, overall, because this team is still bad defensively. I don't know Kade's absence. Does that help? Does that hurt? They've tried a lot of different things on defense, and James L. Edwards the Third wrote a great piece on a couple of weeks back to the Athletic. Actually think I might have already plugged it on this podcast. So I can't bring myself to think that there are many silver linings other than look, Killian Hayes look kind of like, I don't know, like kind of peppy, best couple of shooting over forty percent from three over his past whatever games it was I think seven, So yeah, you get to see more of that. But without Kade here, it just sucks because this doesn't seem like an injury where it's oh, we have to worry about what he's gonna look like next season, But to not have him and to not gain as much information as you can on what your most important core players look like moving forward in Jay, n Ivy, Jalen durn and Kade just together getting more of that sample size, mixing and matching with them to see that burnout maybe before you know the we get to the quarter pole of the season really blows. The upside, though, of course, is for a team that does not have a ton of other teams this future first round picks, this will be a bood for their lottery odds. And if you wind up with things get interesting. If they end up in the Scoot Henderson spot and you have Kaye and Jay and Ivan, you're in the Scoot Henderson spot. But if you want them to be in on wenman Yama like they if and I will say this, this is not me trying to be national podcast. Let's not dig deep. If Kade's out, that's exactly what you need to be doing. I just don't think that you need to start. You could keep Boyobardanovich and probably still be bad enough to be like a bottom four team. But I would expect him to just get moved. If Kate is out for the rest of the year, that would be be my guest. So is there anything that The actual question is, well, where do you land on? What do you do if Kate is out? But also is there what are you watching for without Kate? Yeah, there's not a lot to do. I think you're right that this will just sort of take its natural course, which is you know all of and that devetails with what I would do is yeah, you move, You move any veteran you can for future assets like and really the silver lining again you hit it is you get to see if Ivy is like the idea. Optimally, Ivy and Cunningham get a bunch of reps together and develop sort of a who does what when kind of understanding or at least the beginnings of that, because that takes a really long time. That's the best case scenario for this year, or was the best case scenario for this year if Cunningham does in fact miss the season or at least a bunch more time or is limited, which is kind of the only the only options on the table. But I think the second best option is seeing what Ivy looks like as just okay, here you go. You know you got the ball. Well, we'll do what we can to either you know, keep you out there with a really good screen setter or a bunch of spacing and let's see what it looks like. Because you know, one of the early angles of the season was he does have the ability, I think to be a primary ball handler in a good offense, if only because of the athleticism, the willingness to pass, just kind of the he's got the at least the starter's toolkit for being like a number one option as a ball handling, point guard, playmaker, leading store. He's got like, he's got the tools I think to do that. The issue so far is like we just don't really have enough reps to see what he could look like. And we're going to get those. So just for example, I was trying to look for lineups where what's Ivy look like if you put as much shooting as a team like the Pistons can around him, and you know, really, so there's the lineup that's played two possessions with Ivy as the only point guard on the floor. So no even no Burks for example, I don't want Burks out there because he can run the offense. No Killy and Hayes, no kay cunning him. Ivy has played two possessions with livers Bay, Bogdanovich and Stewart, which I think is probably about as stretchy as you can get. He's played eight with livers Bay, Bogdanovitch and Bagley. Bagley can't shoot, but he kind of floats around the perimeter. More of that stuff. I guess, let's see what that looks like. Or if you want to really build his pick and roll chemistry with with Duran, then that that's cool too. The offense will suck because there's just not enough talent and the defense will stay bad. Yeah, that's what I do. I just like, this is your season now, Jade and Ivy. Let's let's take Let's get these lump side of the way and see if you're if you can be the guy, and then we'll figure out where you fit with Kade next year. You know that that's that's the only positive to it, and the and the draft pick, that's the only way to go. Like we've talked about, should Charlotte tank. The Pistons are gonna do it anyway, but they should really do it now, because if Kaid's not there, then what's what's the season for? Right? And I'm like, I guess you could test out more with even Sadek Bay a little bit. And there's a lot of information I think still to be glean with with Killy and Hayes. It just it just I don't know about Hayes. Well, I'm just I'm My whole point is just like, now, well, what is the alternative? Like you have Jay n Ivy and you you know, like you just want to play Corey Joseph and Alc Burks a ton like, what is that doing? Well? If you want to tank? Oh yeah, so uh man, that's we got a couple of bummers in a row there. That Yeah. That injury. It sucks because I think Kate cutting him is gonna be I'm I think I'm higher on Kath than the consensus. Now, somehow I thought I thought it was just knowing that he was gonna be a mega start. Now people start to question, like whether that's gonna happen. I'm still all the way there with him, and so I enjoy watching him play, and again, I like, there are things that are going to be worth monitoring for the Pistons, but it just gets appreciably harder to understand what this team could become without having Cade on the court. And again there's the benefit of your draft pick odds, but it's just such a bummer we're saying all this, like maybe he just rests and he's like the half for the rest of the season. But if he's missing even substantial time, maybe that's the best of both worlds. He misses a little bit, and like, you're so far out of the race that you're trained boy a Bardonovitch anyway, and you're not winning games. But I hope that he makes a full recovery. Yeah, I know, of course, of course, but this, potentially, this is just time loss. This is the valuable developmental time that you're gonna lose. You gotta make the best though. I have the Pacers next, and this is I'm going to admit that this is like probably not the most pressing question for the Pacers, but I really like Tyrese Halibert and a lot, and I want to talk about him. So here we are. That's not a question. I have a question. Is Tyris Halibert and the best young guard in the league non don Chich division, and so I have to put some parameters on that, because like John Morant exists and other stuff. I'm going twenty two or younger in terms of their age twenty two season. And here's a stat, and it might be a little stale because this is from a like thirty six hours ago and it could change. Point stands, Haliburn has a seven point a plus seven point three box plus minus that is the fourth highest for a player twenty two or younger all time, And the only other guys that have done that for a full season are Chris Paul this is age twenty two or younger, Luca don Chich twice because he's ridiculous, and Michael Jordan. And that's it. So like, yeah, that's one stat. I'm not I'm obviously not comparing Halberd. So those guys there's competition now around the league. You could say Anthony Edwards is still a better prospect. The numbers do not support that at all. Cade maybe Tyrese Maxie maybe, but even then you're kind of stretching a little bit. I mean, he's on the list with you know, other than Luca. It doesn't skew modern that box plus minus thing. It's not like eight of the top ten, you know under twenty two guard box plus minuses are from the last like three years. You know, like if you'd look at high volume three point shooting or offensive efficiency stuff, some of those stats are all just well because there's offenses gone bonkers. That's that's not the case here, Like you gotta go, you get back, you know, twenty thirty years pretty comfortably, So it's early. He's an outlier. There's another stat that like he's gonna be if he finishes the season averaging twenty and ten with a forty percent three point clip on his volume, he'll be the first guy to do it in like ever or you know, in some modern modern ridiculous stuff. I think Haliburton is the best player that was involved in the trade on either team between the Pacers and Kings, that includes Deer and Fox. I think Haliburton's better than him today, even though Fox is playing the best he's ever played. I just I just think he's gonna be really great. I think the Pacers low key have one of the best building blocks in the league, and he's not discussed enough. So is there anybody like under twenty two that I listed? Or that I forgot that you'd rather have not to put you on the spot, but I mean, I gave you Anthony Edwards if you want to just take him. But I just I couldn't be higher on him, and I don't think he's talked about enough. So I formulated a question to make that point. That is an interesting question. Is LaMelo ball still under twenty two? I don't think so. He didn't show up in the well. He didn't have a high enough box plus minus to fit into that group. But I'm gonna look that up, right, I don't know if I would take him. Well, I was just curious. Yeah, he's twenty one, So I don't know if a conversation i'd rather have Haliburton, I think, yeah, I guess he I guess he might be Wow. I mean him versus at the Edwards is tough when you go off this season alone. The thing is that Haliburton scales to so many more situations. Clearly, I'm glad you went there because that's the real point about him. So I mean, not to interrupt, but like he came into the league as like I'm not sure what he's got on the ball, Like he's gonna make spot up shots. He's not strong enough for enough to get to the basket. You know, well sorry, but like he's he's got one of the best in between games in the league. His shot form is still weird, but he gets it off from everywhere. He's got a bunch of floaters. He's one of the smartest passers in the league. Full stop. He can be your first He is your lead option right now on a team that's winning more than it loses. But it would be so easy to fit almost any other kind of talent around him just because like he could be like pick a team, There's there's just no one that you could put next to him that he wouldn't be able to fit with because of the shooting, because of his willingness to be like a Lonzo ball connective passer if he needs to be, because of his you know, defensive ball hawk. It's just like the scalability. So right now he's a lead option, and he's twenty two, and he's super productive, and like he doesn't have to be that over the next ten years to be like a great piece on a title contending team. So the path with Anthony Edwards has one way to be great. I think which is to be the best. Like you know, you're twenty eight a game top option scorer who can't really pass and defends like once in a while and is dubious shooter. But Haliburton just like pick a pick a trajectory, you know, towards like all star status, and he could, he could, he could get there in so many different ways. Wow, I might be ready to go. You might have sold me because it's only competition. It seems like it would be lamello Anthon Edwards. If you want throw Tyree's Maxie in there, I'll say yes, Yeah, right, okay, good, we've been Hey, we answered a question, commenters, we did it. We gotta we got a concrete answer out of that. If you don't have anything else, I'll take us out everybody, Thanks for listening. That's gonna do it. You can. As Dan mentioned in the beginning, remember trying to grow this audience, trying to grow our reach. We're trying to get into your homes and into your ears and your brains. 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