It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for Ignition with the
aaw fan Hop podcast team. This is Kelson and this is Alex. I'm
gonna take I guess a temperature check on what people think of Collision so far
and thoughts on a brand split, like a hard brand split on Collision.
I feel like we already do kind of have a soft brand split in regards
to Collision. We have guys like FTR House of Black, Adam Copeland before
he broke his leg. We've had guys that are mainly on Collision, even
Brian Danielson for a while he was kind of a collision guy more so than
a dynamite guy. And then we have on the other side of the coin,
we have the elite, the young Bucks. I don't think Okada maybe
Ocata has been on Collision once, but has ever been on But they did,
they did. They did add her like to the intro video, which
I thought was very interesting. Yeah. We but and we've also seen more
people going back and forth. See I'm at a point where I think we
need to have exclusive people who do not move and who you go to a
show and and say his House of Black stays on that show and that show
only, and for God's sakes, please keep the Elite on Dynamite so I
can have a show I can watch without their dumb faces on there and her.
You know, I don't need to see them every show, So keep
them on Dynamite because that's their a show, and keep them away and keep
you know, keep certain people, like I think back in the day there
was five people that were there all the time on Matt. Now that you
knew you went to that show, you would watch. So that's what I
think needs to happen. Yeah, I think they have two identities, and
when you have guys that are exclusive to a show, maybe it's easier to
keep that identity because Dynamite's kind of the more faster paced trios matches Young Bucks
Kenney Omega style and Collisions kind of FTR, kind of more old school guys,
maybe even like a WWE style in a lot of ways. Let me
ask you, let me ask Alex a question, and everybody else can chime
in on this. Okay, So Dynamite and Collision have their own identities,
which I don't really think they do, to be honest with you, they
do, but they don't. It's not like a stretch. But here's the
thing. Dynamites on Wednesday night gets many, many, many many more viewers
than Collision does because Collisions on a Saturday night and that's a tough time slot,
you know, especially for people the East Coast. I don't know if
is Collision Net, is Coalision live on the West Coast at whatever time in
the afternoon or is it eight delayed put on at eight o'clock. It's delayed.
Yeah, we don't. We don't get it until apm oh wait,
collisions on Saturday. No, I'm long, I'm sorry. No, we
get it at five. Okay, so you do get to watch it live,
yeah, okay, but on the East coast. Here's my point in
all this. Let's look at the House of Black Okay, because they are
the quote unquote what are the Collision faces. Okay, if they're not on
dynamite, which they have been on dynamite quite a bit as well. But
if they're not on dynamite, they're not getting any exposure whatsoever, because they're
getting me less than well, I don't want to say half because I don't
have the ratings in front of me. But Collision doesn't get anywhere near the
amount of viewers is dynamite. Does do you think that putting somebody as a
face on Collision is detrimental to their careers because nobody's seeing them. It's kind
of seen as a you know, a demotion almost because nobody's gonna see them.
I think people see them more than you think they see them, because,
as we said, ratings are kind of archaic. I think I've always
said that Saturday nights at that time isn't a good time anyway. But you
but I think a show really needs that mainstay. If someone says you're going
to watch that show, and they're gonna be on it. And when I
watch Collision the highlights because I watch it later, I don't watch it live.
When I watch it a lot, I think a lot of people watch
it later. Yeah. We do the same thing for Diamond. When I'm
working, I watch it later, and that's not reported in the ratings.
And and and that's what blows me away by people saying, well, well,
you know ratings are low, Well they're gonna be on a Saturday night
when people are out and about because I forget it's on. But having having
someone like the House of Black, who are interesting, who are more old
school type type people who like the slower matches. I thought. I I
watched clips of the House of Black versus Guns and it was very good and
Malachai Black was on top of his game and and people want to see that,
and maybe that's something to say, Hey, they're going to be on
this, watch this, and maybe that's how you do. I don't know,
but I don't think a total brand split as an answert right well,
I think it's really important to have House of Black on Collision and maybe not
have them as much on Dynamite, because yeah, they're they're a huge straw.
And if they weren't on Collision consistently, Collision would just basically be Rampage
and a lot of ways. And I I'm a pretty die hard fan and
I don't watch Rampage often at all. You do need draws to bring people
into Collision. You need like FTR is a huge part of why I think
Collision oftentimes is like an even better show for me personally than Dynamite. And
really, and I would say, you know, if they're they're getting you
know, four hundred plus thousand, three hundred thousand viewers and I agree that
a lot of people are watching it like online, people just watch YouTube clips.
You know, ratings are slowly going away. WW gets the tenth of
the ratings they got ten years ago. So, uh, you know,
you do need if Collision is going to exist as a separate show, you
need you need big names on that show. Yes, I want to I'm
want to break in here because I want to pull everybody. Okay, I'm
gonna go one by one, Just yes or no? Alex? Start with
Alex. Alex, do you think that there should be a brand split,
whether a soft split or a hard split? But do you believe that there
should be guys you know or at women relegated specifically to Dynamite and relegated specifically
to UH Collision as the faces of those brands? I would say no,
but you should have maybe stories that are somewhat exclusive to one show or the
other. Okay, what about you, Suddon? No, no brands,
but there's none. There's not enough people and that's too much like WWE.
Okay what about U MK? Yes, there should be. You need certain
individuals you can put Tony Storm over on Collision and make people watch that.
You have to give people a reason to watch it. If you don't,
they're going to tune out, all right, what about you net No,
no, no, okay, I'm gonna throw another wrinkle itt here. Okay,
what we have a TNT championship, We have a TBS championship. Okay,
what if we had a men and women's NT championship. What if we
had of men and women's TBS championship, You could even not even I'm just
using those as an example. You could make a men and women's you know,
collision champion, men and women dynamite champion, you know. No,
So I mean, that's just idea. I like the idea, and I
get what you're saying. But here's the problem with that. How many times
do you hear people complain we've got too many belts. They need to get
rid of this belt, they need to get rid of that belt. Addam
more belts ain't gonna do it. Well, if the belts actually have a
meaning, they that does mean something. Yeah, But like the bw's tried
this, like hundreds of times, they would try it, they would have
a firm brand split and then six months later it would fall apart. And
he has obviously done the same thing. It's like that tale as old as
time. It's just repeated ad nauseum. So yeah, I think it's it
makes sense in theory, but guys get injured, things happen. You want
to put big stars on the other show, it just falls apart. I
would love to see the International Bilt on Collision so that a way people can
see Osprey on on Collision and once again give them a reason to watch him
and put him up. It doesn't matter who he fights against. It had
to be a brand exclusive guy. But if he's will be your face in
the franchise, which he is him and mjfor right now, I think him
mjfan Sport, but top three guys. So put a guy like Osprey on
there who defends it every week or not all the time, but that storylines
revolve around it, and put a guy like on that and let him test
out if he can handle running with it, because he needs to prove himself
other than you know he's to me right now, Serb and them are second
fiddle to the elite storyline, so I think giving them a chance at a
different show would help. Okay, what about you, Nutt, what do
you think about Bred specific belts. I don't think so. I'm kind of
of the camp that there are too many belts running around, and I think
that AW needs to tighten some things up and bring some things in. I
think there's too much going on with just a very few amount of people.
There's big stories, but only like five people involved in the whole big story,
and I think they need to do something to kind of concise everything and
bring it all together. And I don't I don't see brand specific belts doing
that. I think that pushes everyone and everything farther apart. Now I haven't
given my opinion, so I'm gonna I'm gonna just my opinion in her Randomly.
I'm kind of a similar mindset to NK. First things first, I
think you do have to give people a reason to watch Collision, whether it's
live or on DVR. But you've got to give people a reason to watch
Collision, and that starts with better booking and better stories. Uh. When
I talk about that, I'm in total disagreement with Alex because I honestly believe
that Dynamite is by far the best book show. Rampage is booked far better
than Collision. In my opinion, Collision is just a meaningless exhibition show to
me right now, I mean not, there's nothing. There's nothing right now
other than the insistent basis not there are some weeks, but there's nothing right
now on a consistent basis that makes me go, oh, Saturday Night is
coming and I gotta watch Collision. I look at Collisions sometimes with a sense
of dread, like definitely Dynamite is the focus. But a lot of times
they put on really good Collision cards. It's not every single week. I
know we got a little too much Johnny TV in there for my liking.
Oh good, well, but you have to like Dalton Castle, who could
be a mainstay on that show. And I would watch more if Dalton Castle
was on there. But he's stuck on r O eight and I have no
idea why I agree with you there. I would watch more Dalton Castle.
Here's the problem with this, Okay, you're talking. M CA said something
about putting Osprey on to Collision and letting him run with it. What happens
to the fans from Dynamite that don't watch the other and won't watch the other,
And what are fans of Osprey's now you're gonna alienate them? There's no
way to do what you want to do and make it where you're gonna please
everybody. The show that I've watched almost every Collision, it's not that bad.
They've had some bad spots, but Dynamites had just as many, if
not more. Don't watch Rampage very often unless there's something I really really want
to watch because Friday nights at that time I'm usually getting tired. But like
like Alex said, it doesn't It didn't work in other companies. It's not
gonna work in w NAW, it's just not gonna work. I can agree
with it. Go ahead. Well, like I said before, though you're
not oh number one. I need to promote it more because Saturday gets here
and it's you know, seven o'clock and I'm like, not remember, but
eight o'clock hits, I'm like, oh crap, it's on. Because I
see Facebook. They need to promote it more and they need to say,
hey, this is going to be on the show. Watch it, you
know, not just sporadic random matches. I don't need to see Johnny TV
all the time. I don't. There's fit people who are on there who
who I don't need to see. But if you know fans like a certain
person, why would you keep them off of there? And in return for
people like like Shane Taylor promotions who no one gives a rap, well maybe
they have the fans and their their fans are watching. We talked about We
talked about this last week, and I agree with you FKA about the promotions.
The thing that bothers me and I said this last week is that a
W has been doing better over the last two weeks as far as promoting the
shows earlier that they have before. We have a full back card already for
Dynamite on pretty much. We had that on Sunday, but there's sometimes where
Dynamite comes the day up and you have no idea exactly. But they've been
getting better with that. My biggest problem with AW right now is that,
look, the best way to promote their show is on social media, whether
it's Reddit, Instagram, Twitter, Blue Sky YouTube. The problem that I
have with AW right now is they've got their head shoves so far up the
ass, thinking that Twitter is going to get them viewers and it's not,
and even if it does, it's not the right viewers. And I can
tell you as somebody who runs basically two subreddits, is that? And of
course we have the Discord and if you pull we thune poll. People on
Reddit and on Discord don't go on Twitter. So by just focusing on Twitter
and Instagram and I guess Facebook. I'm not on Facebook myself, so I
don't know what AW does on Facebook. But focusing on those platforms, you're
missing out on a lot. But you don't have a Twitter account. And
I would say, like one of the cards they post on Twitter get reposted
the Reddit pretty quickly, just by fans just looking for you know, whatever
karma. Yeah, but when's the last time you saw Tony compost on Reddit.
When's the last time you saw he ever posted on Reddit? No one
does right like you just posts on Twitter, it gets immediately reposted on Reddit.
And yeah, I disagree with you, because sure some of the stuff
if he says, gets posted on Reddit, add on YouTube or whatever.
But you want firsthand because look, I mean again, there's not that many
social media platforms out there that that to use. There really isn't. And
if AW has a community manager, they should be posting this stuff on all
of the subreddits and all of the Twitter accounts and all, you know,
what I mean, their own they need to get out there. The problem
with that is Reddit is not a very highly looked upon social media place.
It's not. It's one of the worst looked upon places. So people aren't
going to use it. They go to Twether, Twitter, good at that
because that's where the wrestlers have the most exposure. They go on there all
the time. It's just not the way it's done. They they aren't going
to do it because when people if you talk to people and you say,
Okay, I've got to Reddit if you're it's so it just looks like Reddit
is like considered low class when it comes to the social media because I disagree
with you, because Twitter is by far considered low class born and Reddit.
If you go and look at the different companies and things that they do that
have advertising and use advertising, you're going to see ninety percent more of them
on Twitter than they're on Reddit. Because Reddit is a place that is it's
kind of like using when you want to find on information and you go to
places online or you go you know, and you go to the places that
are edited and you do all those things. I don't understand what I don't
understand what you're talking about, Well, like when you go to I can't
think of the name of it right now, Where does everybody look for information
for stuff? Right? Blank on me for a second? About Google?
No, not Google, the one that you can edit for yourself. I
can't Wikipedia. Okay, people look, what they consider Reddit to be is
Wikipedia. Yeah, Reddit tends to be a little bit more intelligent discussion.
I'm not saying Reddit redditors are smart people, but you know, Reddit is
not like WWE doesn't advertise directly on Reddit. It's more about like anonymous users
just reposting things. That's you could use WWE as an example here because WWE
had the benefit of being the only company in the last twenty years was running.
Yeah, but I don't think I think. I think both these companies
are involved in Reddit. But it's anonymously. They use bots, they use
people posting under other like they're trying to sway public opinion. But it is
like generally public opinion. It's not a company's Twitter feed that you just follow.
It's just it's different. It's different. As I'm saying is that if
I had an upstart company, right and I had the opportunity to advertise on
five social media platforms. I'm not just gonna say Okay, I'm gonna use
three and not the other two. I don't know. Like if you were
AW and you had an AW account on Reddit and you're like, A,
W is a great show? You should watch it? Like that doesn't mean
anything on Reddit. You want an anonymous user to be like, oh,
I like AW, and you're just like, well, now people like AW.
It's not a company telling me to watch their show because of course they
think it's great. Some companies have advertisements where they just have have ads on
there in between the messages, they have their their ads, and if you
have an AW they can have an account and they could post pictures of their
of their show another card. People. Yeah, that's true, But I
don't think anyone engages with that because you know it's well, but you don't
have to. You don't have to doing nobody engaging. Nobody ever has.
But my point is is you still see it. You know, it's just
like why are you? I don't under I have never understood aw's infatuation with
basically Twitter and Twitter only and if it finds something else. Speaking, since
I've been on Twitter most of the AW wrestlers that I followed went from having
the little blue check mark next to their names to either not having any blue
check mark next to their names anymore, or like hang Man Adam Paige,
they've just disappeared completely from Twitter because it's so toxic. It's toxic. Sure,
you're getting your name out there to many more people on Twitter. Possibly,
I'm just saying that I'm speculating here, But are you getting your name
out to the right people? Well, so toxic mercer a little blue chick
markser gone for most people because Elon must change things. Yes, she got
rid of that altogether for a minute, and then get back. It's not
it's not just social media. I think I made this point before when aw
came here to Seattle just a few weeks ago and I went to the show
like Wressell Dream is going to be here in October. I have been losing
my mind. I will talk to the average wrestling fan around town. They
have no idea that Russell Dream is going to be here in October. And
the same thing happened to me in Tulsa, Oklahoma. No, that's the
problem. The week before get up there and promote that is that's insane to
me because there are AW fans here. I see them, you know,
and I'm one of them. But AW is not saying, you know,
hey, Nett, we are coming to your town. You know. There's
there's no connection there at all. Yeah, and that's crazy because nowadays they
know that you're an AEW fan. They track your social media, they track
your browsing history, and then they target adds to people. So I don't
know if AW just doesn't have the money to spend to do that, but
there's ways to do those things. Yeah, they there. I just can't.
I can't believe Russell Dream. Russell Dream was here last year. It's
like the biggest kept secret in all of Seattle. How is that possible?
I mean, it's like four pay per views away. That's why it's possible.
They haven't started advertising it anywhere yet because it's so far out that they
have so many things in between that they're going to be advertising forbidden in all
out. Yeah. But if you're going to have a pay per view,
is that said? If you have a pay per view coming to Seattle in
whatever month it is, what month is it meant? October? October?
Okay? If you had wrestled Dream coming in October in Seattle. Start letting
Seattle know, you don't have to win. Also Oklahoma or Atlanta, Georgia.
No, you'd start letting Seattle know at least you know. But I
will say this, you know, and as I said, aw has been
getting better. And I'll give you an example. On Twitter, I saw
a video advertisement posted by an All Eat Wrestling border show that's coming up in
Allentown, Pennsylvania on Thursday, June twentieth. That's been up for you know,
maybe a day now, but they didn't do that before, you know,
So, combined with little things that they're doing better at, it is
to me looking up, you know, they are getting pipe toward the match
cards instead of okay, collisions on, let's go watch it and see who
the help may show up because we have no idea. Yeah, you know
that kind of thing hard. You've heard about rumors of Tony Kahan like booking
things last minute, and and that's I think what that's the symptom of.
They don't even know themselves what the matches are going to be, so they
can't advertise them. Well, ironically, that's what Tony Khan used to say
about Vincemanes. Maybe it's a little harder running a wrestling business than yeah,
yeah, see it's easier for us to sit here criticize. But yeah,
we don't know. So I want to move on. I want to talk
about Forbid Door because we don't have have that many matches for Forbidden Door,
at least not as many matches as we normally have for a pay per view
right now. So it seems it seems rather logical to me that we could
get another three to five matches for Forbid Door. Don't forget we still have
zero Hour, you know, probably two matches at zero Hour, at least
one to Phil. So my question would be, let's talk about, uh,
who would you like to see it? For Bid Door or some people
that have already laid out, you know, a challenge like Jeff Cobb that
has not been answered yet. We've got mjf back, but he doesn't have
a match of Forbidden Door yet. So what do you see? What do
you think may happen if you have to, you know, book a couple
of matches at least for Forbidden Door. What would you like to see see
the Golden Lovers? I think you still heard book. He still hurt if
Kenny can't come back. But and Kodo Bushi is all elite too, it's
not even the forbidden door at that point. That's true. I really want
to see Nick nam it and they're somewhere. I would love to see him
versus m j F just because of the two top guys going at it.
Uh. I think I put on you know that I suggested. Yeah,
I also want to see a good U women's match. I don't know who
else, but I think stat Lander needs to be there against somebody. But
uh, you know, I'm there's just so many things. I don't know
how to say his name, but search of the age, and it's the
big guy versus Yeah, him versus Daniel Garcia will be interesting to see.
Yeah. Well, one of the things that one of the things that you
know, I agree with you on the women's match. One of the things
that I had thought of for a women's match was having a TBS Championship number
one contender gauntlet match similar to the one we just had with the men's for
the h Yeah, for the TNT Championship down the road. And what I
did was I put three a w there's nine women in all. I had
three ae W, three CMLL and three from stardom. My aw women are
thunder Rosa, Dianna Parazzo, and Akarushida. My cmml ones are Raina Isis,
who was the Mexican women's champion, Zeusi, who we just saw,
and and rama And the reason I put on drama in there is that she's
twenty one years old. She's really young and she would be good fit with
the startup girls that I have in or the startup women. Tam Dacanna,
who has been on on record, is challenging Mercedes Bone anyway, Starlight Kid
at a z M yeah, or a meaning Kazumi you know, so I
think that would be a great match. But I agree with you MK that
they need to kind of work Statlander maybe into this, or even Willow Night
Gale to be a foil for Statlander. But I just think that that would
be a good zero hour batch right there. Yeah, they got to start
building more. I think you would lose out if if Nimits was not on
there somehow because he's their big star. He's I believe he's a champion and
Japan and Mexico. I think you lost the Japanese title I think you lost
it to Leader of the Bullet Club Board Dogs David Finley. Oh okay,
he had the global title. They have a lot of titles in New Japan
as well. You know, there's so many names in New Japan and CMLL
and stardom that there's nothing booked for them yet. I mean, I mean,
what can you do? I mean, there's got to be something done.
Yeah, there's too many names like Finley and Nemus and god knows how
many others you know from New Japan that aren't aren't in here. You mentioned
Cob. I want to see Ward Low versus Cobb. That would be a
heck of a match. Yeah. I had a similar idea, but thinking
of like Jeff Cobb versus another book big Guy. I had Jeff Cobb versus
Samoa Joe as a potential. I had Jeff coppagainst Claudio Castigli Yeah vain Yeah,
basically big men's slapping man meet. Yeah. I want to see stat
Lander in a meaningful match. She hasn't been a meaningful matching forever. Really,
point I think it would be neat to have stat Lander and them on
opposite side and have a tag partner. I don't know who I'm not good
with names and said, but have those two do? I added, but
them not really touch a whole lot. But then, but the anticipation of
them going after each other would build a good manage. Well, my thing.
I had thought about that originally, I had I had stat Lander and
AZM against Willow and Starlight Kid because as I have been and uh, Starlight
Kid have a similar feud going on between that that Willow and Statlander have going
on the problem with that is at least tam Nakano out of it, you
know, and she's got to be in there somewhere. I'm sorry she does
start anything with Willow and stant Lander. We've seen so much in the last
year going together. It's done played out and it should move on. Honestly,
it's gonna be They're gonna have a blowout match and it's gonna happen maybe
the next pay per view. Yeah, I mean, look at what what
I said. I had theaaparazzo a dund Rosa in there, so I mean
it's just like I mean, but it goes back. We've got aws such
a large roster of both men and women, and of course, yes there
are women that are out like Jimmie Hayter and Britt Baker's Lee Hart. They're
all champions of Karshida Rijo. They're all champions that they have been nowhere to
be seen, you know, for months. It's you know, so we've
got to get aw has got to get their women's division back up to healthy.
It's the best word I can use, because if they're healthy, they
can challenge anybody. The best women's division in wrestling. Yeah, and that's
been and for whatever reason, since the beginning of the women's division, that
has been their problem. They have never been any consistent amount of time without
at least two to three or four of their top people hurt. Right,
So does anybody else have any more forbidden door matches? Yeah? I had,
I had a couple more. I'll leave it, maybe just at one.
But Yoda Suji, he's I think the biggest up and coming wrestler in
Japan and he's been nowhere to be seen and he's unknown basically by American audiences
that don't really follow New Japan. And having him versus Okada because yeah,
I think Okada makes sense because he left New Japan without really putting anyone over.
I don't know if he would actually lose this match, but it could
be he could make to Suji look good in defeat. Even who is John
guy? He's a little young boy over there, doesn't he that he hangs
around with? Who's that? That's gooda umao? I heard he actually got
hurt though he broke like a b think he broke his hip? Yeah,
geez, yeah he made it. But he said that he was going to
be back for g One, so I don't know. Probably he fractured his
hip ed he just located a vertebrate or so, I can't remember. Stay
it strained or sprained or something like that, a vertebrae. And but I'm
gonna be back for g One, I guarantee it. I'm like, okay,
it's just a flesh wound. The only other the only other matches I
would like to see would be something between the Bang Bang Gang and Bull of
club Board Dogs, because I don't that's a major thing between they. They
could happen that could lead to a lot. Yeah. I think the war
Dogs are like really interesting wrestlers in New Japan and they've never been featured in
a W so I think that would be great. How many a W champions.
Current a W champions are not booked for forbid Door right now. Well,
there's no uh no, that was That was another one I saw on
the U the uh subredd that was really interesting with having each company's tag champions
in a three way mm hmm t m d K or is that what it
is? T m DK or t d m K. The Young Bucks and
I'm not sure who were doing once from Mexico are but I think that would
be an amazing match, Magnus and somebody else the guy who so the So
the Bucks aren't booked for forbidda OCD is not booked. Ausprey's got the title
match, so those two are out the women's is there. That's about it?
Yeah, so we do have two major yeah, I mean you got
the Continental and the the tag titles that are not up for grabs, and
we also have the Trios. I don't know if it's a do Unify Trios
or whatever, but that's not booked either. So there are three different titles
for a W I guests that are not book yet for forbid doors, so
that both of those, both of those titles are in eliminator matches. So
I'm wondering if maybe they can use that as a way to get them on
a card. Maybe somebody actually went in an eliminator match and it's placed on
the card. Mm hmm. But they're both facing like no on Forbidden Door
opponents. Yeah, they got bucks and uh okay, we might even we
might even see all what Hard Cup matches and Forbidden Door. I mean you
never know. Well, yeah we're getting one. We did. I think
Shingo to Kagi. We don't know who he's facing. It could be someone
like Danielson and that could be a big match. He's another big name from
New Japan that can really put on a great match, So that'll be pretty
cool. They kind of have the same problem with everything else with Forbidden Door.
Got so many big names, now you're gonna do with them all?
Forbidden Door seems to be like it should be a two night event. It
really does. Yeah, seems like it needs to be a big thing,
a bigger thing. Yeah, And I think the issue is like they can't
bring in New Japan guys like for weeks on end. Tony kind of to
choose like one week to bring them in and maybe just them might not be
till next week. We see a bunch of people, depends on if they
have a show in the US or not. Yeah, and I don't think
they do. Like they've had back to back like New Japan shows, so
they're flying back and forth, right, Well we Alex, do you want
to talk about this fantasy booking of Forbidden Door with a draft? Yeah?
I think you know, we we've seen now. I think as there was
direct result of AEW doing the Forbidden Door working with New Japan CMLLL stardom.
You've seen. WWE actually announced that they're working with Pro Wrestling Noah. They
also sent the guide to All Japan Pro Wrestling, so they're kind of getting
in the Forbidden Door game. Well yea as well and DNA like it's gotten
crazy, dam So, I guess what? And I really doubt this would
happen anytime soon, But we could see WWE and Forbidden Door or WWE and
a W working together. And I think Sutton, you had some ideas on
how that would work. What what? I what? I You know,
they always talk about how you gotta do what's best for business, and in
the United States, what's best for business would be a W and WW working
together and the story I mean that's going that would be like the b All
end All for wrestling in the States. So I was thinking the other day,
you know, what would happen if they decided to come out at the
end of the year and say, look, we're gonna work together, We're
going to do a five man draft, We're going to have a forbidden door
event once a year. That's going to be just a w and w W.
I wouldn't be forbidden door, but you know what I mean? And
what would would My My thing would be who would you pick if you could?
And would there would that generate the interested in the past it would have
with the different companies that are around. How would it go this How would
it look this time? How would it be? Would it would it be
something that people would look forward to? No, I don't think it would
be. I think we're all too tribalistic right now for people to enjoy it.
That's just my feeling. I don't want to be negative, but that's
just how I feel. I think it could be really positive. Like a
lot of these people that you know hate AW because they're stealing guys from WWE,
and people that hate WWE and would never watch it because I don't really
know their reasoning. Well, I mean, there may be some moral reasons,
but you know, there's there there is a lot of bad blood,
especially on Twitter and places like that. But yeah, I think having them
work together would be maybe give those fans a reason to embrace them. I
don't think they're gonna hate a w I WWE is telling them not to.
You know, Well, the problem what what benefit is there for WWE?
That's my big question. There's no benefit, that's the thing. Well,
actually there could be. It just depends on how they handled it. Because
if they're working with AEW, then that might give them access to other companies
that a w works with, and the same would go for a w t
NA. All the companies that that that aren't working with them, now you
might be able to get a working Basically, it could lead to a complete
globalization of wrestling. Yeah, well, the only thing is, Look,
my biggest thing with a w's forbid door is that I've said this a million
times, this is where where do Japan pro wrestling stars come to lose?
The only way it would work is if there were tag team matches where you
had a WWE wrestler teamed with an aw wrestler, so what really matter who
lost? It would be more about the match rather than who won and who
lost. Yeah, I just yeah, there's a lot of ego involved in
wrestling, and we know WWE has kind of buried people who probably should have
gotten more shine light sting. How much gonna throw a sting out there?
He got screwed over a little bit by WWE, And I just don't think
they're the good guys. I don't know anybody. I pay attention to it
lightly, but I wouldn't. I want to ask, would you guys watch
it? Because I would not. I would watch it simply because out of
curiosity. This is from somebody who has not watched Forbidden Door one Forbidden Door
two because I just felt that it was too predictable. There's no way that
this person's gonna beat this person for that belt, not right now. Forbidden
Door three seems to be that way where there's a possibility that some belts may
change hands. And I think John Moxley is gonna lose his belt at Forbidden
Door three. And I really really really do hope that mean a Shirakawa beats
Tony Storm, because I think it would be not detrimental to Tony Storm,
and I think it will be just great for the story. Now, with
my idea of a a WWE and AW I guess mixed tag thing, it
wouldn't be about who wins or loses. It would be about seeing some of
your favorite wrestlers teaming together to face some of your other favorite wrestlers in a
exhibition. There's nothing at stake other than exhibition and just watching these guys that
these WWE guys that either you seen or heard about, wrestling with aw guys
that you've either seen or heard about, and see what they can do together
in a match. I think it would be a whot. Yeah, they
could have some really interesting matches. Like FTR has always talked about wanting to
work with the USO's, you could have like Kevin Owen's teaming with the Young
Bucks. Again, like a lot of these guys do have history beyond AWWWE.
They were on the Indies together and things like that, so it is
interesting for sure. Keep in mind, and this is something that I want
to point out real quick. It's keep in mind that there's very very little
discourse or hate or disrespect between the wrestlers of the two companies. It's the
companies that are showing to disrespect toward each other, you know, So these
wrestlers definitely could get along. Yeah. Yeah, it would be neat to
see Young Bucks and a New Day Takelon, you know, Usso's and I'm
trying to think of some you know and FTR together that'd be a neat combination.
See just an exhibition, but I don't know if I want to see
a whole paper view for it. But just like exhibition matches where it's just
together in this But I agree with what Kelson said. Yeah, there'd be
some cool ones like Kenny Omega versus seth Rawlins, you know, ones that
you're probably not going to see because guys are aw guys through and through or
WWE guys, and if it doesn't happen this way, then it's not going
to happen for quite some time. Yeah. Yeah. But the problem again
was like Kenny Omega and seth Rawlins, that that just is not a because
who nobody wins that match? The only way that especially older I think,
could lose that because he's kind of more in the twilight and it's not so
much about who wins or loses it's the fans that win regardless of who wins
or loses. It doesn't matter if n Omega would go against Seth Rollins,
or you could have like MGF versus Cody Rhodes. They're current champion and you've
got history there. Everybody knows about it. Both companies know about it.
I mean, the possibilities that are there two it's it's not about the companies
being who wins or who loses. It's about giving the fans something that they
get to win in the end, making wrestling fun exactly. Why making another
little suggestion, how about this hold the hold the w W W W W
E A E W Forbidden door at Montreal and everybody will be speculating about a
screw job too. You could do that anything. You could actually have a
screw screwjob to. It wouldn't be a match, but you could have Seawn
Michaels come out on one side and you could have h mister Hart come out
on the other. So you know that would be I mean, the the
the the the main idea was not to have it be a competition between the
companies, but for the fans, ye right, you know what I mean,
Because it's the forbidden door now is in a competition between the companies.
This is a competition between the wrestlers trying to give the fans something that they're
not going to get to see on a daily basis or on a weekly basis.
And if he threw in. You know, they keep talking about how
w W EAST talking about how they're changing and they're starting to work with other
companies. Don't think it's not down the road where they could say, hey,
we can make a ton of money from this, let's send somebody over.
Yeah, and in Japan they've done that, Like they've had companies that
are both the top companies in Japan and they do trade a guy or two.
Yeah, well, I just think, go ahead. No, I'm
just thinking with the changing landscape of wrestling these days and how things are changing
globally, that it's inevitable that it's going to happen sometimes. Maybe you know,
I'm not I'm not holding my breath because I kill myself right now.
But anyway, speaking of w W E and a W working together on stuff,
I know Alex wants to talk about this, so I'm not going to
really speak too much about It's it's everything you take it from me, so
Jim Ross, I don't know where. I don't know if he was drunk
or what the situation was. He was talking to the Fightful Select. It
was probably talking he was on the phone with Sean Ross sap after he had
had a couple and he was talking about we had recently been talking on the
phone to Shane McMahon. I'm sure they keep in touch their friends, and
for some reason the idea of Shane McMahon coming to ae W came up.
Uh, And I just think that that's crazy because, like you know,
Shane mman, the wrestler is is not something anyone's excited about in twenty twenty
four. Shane. Yeah, Shane mcman the ego, the McMahon ego behind
the scenes in a W Does anyone want that? No? No, But
then again, he's always she's always Nobody always says changed different than his dead
and he has been. I mean, well he's always been different, feeling
Go ahead, no, I just say. It only took Sha McMahon,
you know what, three months to totally destroy w c W if that,
but he still did. Yeah. Well, here's my thing with Shane,
Shane I think wants to distance himself from well with all his accusations and stuff.
I think he's trying to distance himself from it. And do you guys
really think that Shane that man doesn't know more about the business than Tony Khan
does. I mean Tony Khan needs help. If he was a silent partner
and not on screen, I don't need him fighting Darby Allen and throwing him
through panes of glass. But I but we need brain power. I mean
he knows the business. Yeah, I mean you have the brain power.
You have a mcnaon name. You know, he knows how to have to
put on a good match who who's good and talent wise, he's done more.
I mean if he would come in and be a silent partner and help
Tony Kahn book and just do that. Yes, he had the failed underground
w W Underground, but I think he had his mind in the right place
with that, because Barnett does that or whatever his name is. That the
blood sport and it works. But I don't think it worked for WWE.
But he has a brain why not. I wouldn't turn it down. I
don't know why people say no all of a sudden. If he has a
brain power, why not. I can think of two reasons. One,
he's a McMahon. Two, everybody's gonna can think that he's there to do
damage to aw that that yet they can think of what they want. But
that's the problem. Too many people are gonna say, why the hell would
you bring him in? Shane never impressed me as a wrestler, and k
Faber not. He never impressed me with being that big a brain, you
know. Granted his dad got to do everything and did everything in WWE was
all McMahon there. I don't think Tony Kahn does that bad a job.
He's doing a lot. He's doing a lot, and ninety nine percent of
the stuff he does works. He is up ship out about it. I
don't get. I don't see that every they do is better than the one
before. They don't. I mean, he's got it, he's got limitations
from injuries and stuff. But I just don't see a reason to bring Shane
McMahon in. It just doesn't make any sense. He's not an on he's
not an on stage guy, he's not an on camera guy, and there's
no use for him in the back because he might know talent, he's necessarily
meaning there's a aew No, I agree with that. Look, a lot
of the XWW guys back there who respect him maybe and you never know,
I don't know their feelings toward him, but if they worked him enough,
you know who knows. Yeah. But like I think WWE doesn't want anything
to do with the McMahon name right now. The last thing Tony needs to
do is introduce and incheck the McMahon name. Just from like a PR perspective,
I guess I think he would have something to offer behind the scenes booking
wise, just running a wrestling business because he has experience and maybe ten people
in the world have experience doing that though it's valuable, but you just don't
want his name involved. Who's the guy from TNA that left that's going to
be available in twenty twenty five. Is Scott Damore? Yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, that's somebody realistically comde w not Shane McMahon. Because I
totally disagree with say whoever said that that Tony Kahan doesn't need help with booking,
because he absolutely does. Because if it's not Orange Cassidy, Kyler O'Reilly
or Roderick Strong, we don't have a quarter of a show. But it's
a lot of stuff. It's like WWE failed at booking weekly television for for
thirty years. I understand the show is better now, but it's hard to
book weekly shows. But Tony Khan does book good, really amazing pay per
views. He does. I will give you that. The problem that I
have with Tony Kahn and his booking is that he gets enamored with a group
of wrestlers three to five, the six wrestler, and he just books the
crap out of him until I am frankly sick of seeing them on my TV
screen. And then what do I do? And you guys know this.
You know this because I say it and I do it. When I'm watching
TV and I see something that I don't want to watch, I don't care
whether it's a sitcom, a news channel or whatever. If I see something
that I don't want to watch, I change the channel. Aw is no
different if I see something on there, like tomorrow night, we're having that
match between it's the eight Way Match, and it's got Orange, Cassidy,
Kyle O'Riley, Rodert Strong and a few others. But all I can tell
you right now is that I have absolutely zero intention of watching that match because
it's been done to death. It's been done to death. I don't care
if you change the other three or four wrestlers. You know, the identity
of any of them just been done to death. And I'm tired of the
same, old, same. We need diversity of the booking. Well,
you're right, there is some diversity needed. But here's the thing. This
is Forbidden Door season. This is the time where they break away from doing
the regular main stuff and just do what do you call it? Before the
the uh point where a w stories go to die? Is that what you
said? It was something like that. That's Forbidden Doors. When is where
n J p W wrestlers come to lose? No, no, no,
you said it about when the book everybody was calling it something else? What
was calling Oh god, what did he call it? Still season? This
is this is this is the thing. There's not gonna be a lot of
storylines started now because Forbidden Door is in his storyline driven pay per view.
Uh, generally you're to some degree, there are a lot of matches that
are the same and it can be a pain. But like like I always
said, you know, I agree, it's one hundred percent that it can't
be difficult to add a lot of variety to a weekly show and to do
as a specific question about Forbidden Door, Sutton, Okay, Off the matches
that are booked for Forbidden Door, provided that you even know any of them.
Off the matches currently for currently booked for Forbidden Door, which one are
you looking forward to the most? Well, none of the probably the Nito
Moxley match. I think that's gonna be the best one this booked right now.
I don't about that one. There's no build up to it. There's
not going to be a build up to it. The only match's going to
have any build up for Forbidden Door would probably is going to be the Swerve
versus Ospring match. That's it. Yeah, but Tony Storm, That's how
had a lot of build like months, and but it's it didn't have any
this week. It did the week before, It didn't have any this week,
probably won't have any this coming week. I mean I'm talking about like
we're gonna have a big we're having. It's booked for Dynamite. That's so.
I mean, look the way I look at it, you meant you
mentioned, uh, what did you say, Dio versus? I could give
a rats as that. I can't remember anything being said about that except for
a for A that was that was, you know, Spree versus Asprey versus
Strickland. There's been nothing. Last week they closed the show. That's been
Yeah, they've been doing anything. Last week they stared at each other.
Do you want them to? Here's the point? Here's the point. Here's
the point. Every other pay per view except for Forbidden Door, they do
even if it's only a month's worth of build up, they'll build it up.
They don't do that for Forbidden Door. They don't do anything for Forbidden
Door. It's like Tony says, Okay, we've got this important thing that
we're gonna have all these other people in. We're gonna talk about the matches,
but we're not gonna do a lot of storyline because we don't we don't
have anything that the storylines are gonna lead to. Yes, the mirrors here
and the Ministerier Cawa and the Tony Storm match has had some build They did
some build with Osprey, and that one's the only one because it is actually
a bill to is the Osprey versus Swerve, But that that's not even me
a real Forbidden Door match because it's between two champions from a W but it's
on Forbidden Door. The point is after Forbidden Door is gone in two weeks,
they'll start building. These other stories will come out of it. Hopefully
the minasire Cowboy and Tony Storm and Mariah Maythan will be worked on. They'll
come out with stuff from Forbidden Door that they may not work into because they
take the time to just do some extra shows, put extra people in,
like Dalton Castle and like Donny TV a couple different times on Collision all year
long. You haven't seen him on Collision. When's the last time you seen
him on Collision these last two weeks during the Forbidden Door season. So it's
a chance that's the whole point they're not this is the time where Tony goes,
Okay, we can relax off a little bit. Let's get some other
people involved. And that's what they do. But I don't understand chance.
I don't understand why they're having two matches without any any involvement and for Indoor
Osprey versus Orb and then they're having this t n t UH ladder match.
I think there's two more participants there, and they both could be from other
companies. I don't know you. I thought Dante, Martin and them were
in it, and some other Dante, and then there's two more yet to
be determined. See I don't have the match. Yeah, it feels like
an a W match featuring yeah, exactly exhibition matches. I thought Shoda could
have won that because he's had history with Jack Perry and then they could feud
after that, But now he's hurt. So here's here's the thing. And
when it comes to Forbidden Door, we, as we've already said, we've
got a champions that have not are not a part of Forbidden Door yet.
We definitely got new Japan champions that are not part of Forbidden Door yet.
We definitely have Startom champions that are not part of Forbidden Door yet. So
I think that they've got a lot of work to do. But the problem
is is that there's only so many, so much time, and as I
said earlier, it's got the point where for Bidden Door may need to be
two separate nights. If a if a w'sh if a w's women's division was
not so decimated by injuries right now, I would even go so far as
to say, look, Saturday is women's night. M today is men's night.
I one get the other one. Amazing. That would be the best
thing that could possibly happen. I really do believe that CML C, m
L A W and Stardom women are that good. And let's not rush it
with the CMLL New Japan and AW men's divisions, because they're that good.
But you've got to have meaningful matches, not just where CMLL guys and New
Japan guys come to lose, you know, And yeah, Moxley and Data
look pretty much everybody expects Data to win. So so to me, that's
not a big deal to have a New Japan guy win a title for one
for Yeah, but what I'm saying it is is that it's exciting surprise.
I want to see something I told you. I've said it earlier and I'll
say it again. Mina Sharkwa needs to win the AW Women's World Championship,
plain and simple. But it would be I hope she does, because that
will really set up them for the next Hell, that sets him up for
the next three pay per views just with those three girls. But well,
but Tony has to have the cajonas to pull the stunt off and I don't
think he has. This is why I absolutely absolutely believe that Tony does,
especially since Tony spent so much time in Stardom. I think that Tony would
be absolutely willing to do that for Stardom. The startup needs it, Startom.
If eddy match needs to be won, I really do believe it's that
match because Stardom really needs that. That's shot in the arm because they have
to they have to bury Mira Gold. Yeah. Well yeah, they just
lost Megan Maine. I guess she's leaving and she's not signed W to a
W yet, so uh, you know, Barra Gold has taken quite a
bit of the roster of that tremendous amount, but they've taken quite a bit
of a roster away from Stardom and their Stardom's founder is now the founder of
marigold A. Stardom has still a fantastic roster. But having the a W
Championship and Stardom, even it's for two weeks, it would be a boon.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. It'll be a boon
for stardom and they need it and they deserve it because those women, I'll
tell you what you watch Stardom it ruins everybody else For me, I really
does. I mean, I look at other AW I look at WWE personally,
this type of wrestling that I like to watch, Stardom does. Yeah,
yeah, I think, yeah, I agree with you. But look,
let's let's move on. We made a post today as a matter of
fact that it exploded on the AW fan hub subreddit and what the post was
about was about and we've talked about this before, but I think it bears
being talked about again because the Young Bucks are the AW Tag Team champions And
the question was does anybody care about the Trio's division and AW And I want
to just give you what a large percentage of the people did say and I
and it shocked me because a large percentage, I would say, the majority,
said yeah, we like the Trio's division more than the tag teams.
Now, that may have a lot to do with the junk Box being hated,
you know, and disrespected or whatever. You know, So people don't
want to say tag teams because the Young Bucks have them. Yeah. Yeah.
It was kind of shocking to me to see that because I said in
the past that I believe the trio's division should just be gone and AW should
concentrate on the tag team division because tag teams are historically what you have wrestling.
Maybe it's a younger generation Kelsen, Uh, maybe younger fans like to
see the chaos and said because because that I was younger and Nitro had a
Loutrador, they had something called uh Luca libre ruled where if one person went
out of the ring and the next to come in with that attag and I
loved watching it was because those guys were flying in and out of the ring
and it was exciting. Uh. I'm a mixed bag on the trios to
be honest with you. I think there should be for special times and not
for it. But if the fans want it, you know, as they
say, you got to get the fans what they want and they may just
have to bite the bullet and go with it because there's a whole variety of
people. But the young Bucks killed the momentum of the tag team division.
Life opinion plus injury plus injuries I agree on and I think the problem is
with the tag team division aside from Big Bill and them having the titles before
they took it with stinging Darby who've been to champions the last two years,
it's either been FTR or the Bucks. And you have really great tag teams
in ae W, but they're not getting the exposure. The reason why they'll
never get rid of the triple the trios is because with having such a large
roster and having so many people available that they want to get in. That's
where those matches come in because three per side beats two and gives you more
people per show. Yeah, but and I don't see where everybody has this
problem with them having a trios division and a tag division because it doesn't take
away from the thing because you can schedule like, okay, so tomorrow we
have the Young Bucks versus the Scissor Gang. Okay, the Acclaim versus them.
It's going to be a tag team. Nobody's going to be allowed near
the at the side of the ring, so it's just going to be the
Acclaim versus the Bucks. But if you didn't have the Acclaim as a trios,
you wouldn't have Daddy Ass being involved. And people love Daddy Ass and
they can they can do them separately. They can do a tag team match
on Wednesday and then come on Friday, or Saturday and do a trios match.
So I don't see where there's an issue where it's you know what I
mean. But you can let me throw something out there. Let me throw
something out there. Okay. Uh, look at the meaningless trios matches that
we've had, m H. All right, and then go do some research
and look at how many tag team wrestlers have been injured and taken out the
commission and those meaningless three Well, yeah, I get that, But the
reason they have so many meaningless trios matches is to get the guys on the
roster, to get them in the matches. That's why they do it,
and it's not going to change because they have too many people. Yeah,
honestly, yeah, I I'm ay, you know, but a private party
had another person, they added one more person in the private party, they
could join that trios and stuff. But like I, like I said,
I just feel that it's it. It doesn't work for me. I don't
want to see it because I'm old school and I much more enjoy uh tag
team matches where there's that desperation to tag, where I don't feel the hot
tag is as hot as when you have a trios I agree, that that.
Of course, when you have the Trios batches, you get that stupid
ass spot where everybody just kind of waits around ninja style and that they one
guy does his move on one guy, that the next guy gets up and
does his move on the guy that just in the move, and it keeps
going until everybody's laid flat on her back in the you know, all over
the rings. They do it every time, and it's the dumbest thing I've
ever seen in my life. I agree there, that's just laziness on the
wrestler's part. Well, yeah, like I thought on Dynamite last week,
we had the Trios match that I know Kelson hated, Orange, Cassidy Callilly
and Mark Briscoe the Conglomerate versus the Heels, and I thought that was my
favorite match on Dynamite. And then we had So Black versus the Bang Band
Gang on Collision and that was my favorite match maybe the whole week. So
Trios has a lot of potential, and now they have you know, the
Christian Cage, the Patriarchy year going after the Trios title, House of Black
are now good guys all of a sudden, like the crowd taking everybody on
one on one. I'm pack seems to be sided with the House of Black
for whatever reason, I don't know. He's always upset. Well, he's
feeling his emotions. Remember he asked them to make him feel something, so
he's experiencing all his emotions. He did get spit in the face a couple
of times. So going on that, Dalton Castle might be teaming up with
the what's the hell in the name of that tag team that came out with
him on Saturday The Yeah didn't somewhere somebody say that they might be a new
trio to if you if you look at Dalton Castle, he's had a revolving
door of people played the Boys. Yeah, but this is going to be
the boys. From what I saw, it wasn't going to be the boy
It's going to be him and the Outriders. They're going to be the Outrunners,
not the Outrighter run and it's and that was a one time thing.
I would be shocked, shocked, absolutely shocked if if the next time Dog
Castle shows up anywhere that the Outrunners are with him, it'll be somebody else
time. Oh God, God, even with mascot, I'd still booth them.
God, thank you for ruining my good time. Yeah, that's your
favorite trio. I wish that they would uh Roderick Strong Eddie Kingston just for
one night and he come back in his wheelchair yelling at everyone. So I
think the best way to fix the trio's division and make it more fun is
to stop having the mixing match groups and just strictly go with like like you
said, Alex, last Wednesdays was a great one, Saturdays was a great
one, but those were normal triple teams. They weren't thrown together into a
match. I think if you took that out of it and just made it
a true category and had those guys in it, you could get to other
people and put them in tag teams and try to rebuild the tag team division.
Yeah, it just seems to be like we're seeing I called it groundhog
Day yesterday. We're seeing the same matches and the multi MN matches where three
on three or four on four it's groundhog Day. It seems like they're doing
the same match over and over and over again, which is one or two
different people in them. Well, this one Tomorrow Night kind of does have
some implications for the uh upcoming Forbidden Door because it does have Mors Cassidy on
one side and Zach Taber Junior on the other. Yeah, but it also
but again my point is don and I you know, if it has an
implication, I don't know because I won't be watching it. I have no
interest in seeing that I missed the best match of the night. Again,
I sincerely doubt that that will come even close to be at the best match
of the night. I don't know. Zach Zaber's supposed to be one of
the greatest technical wrestlers in the game, so you know, not Attagon there
is, but there is Roger Roderick Strong's in it. So yeah, there
you go. Eddie kinks to get back soon so you can join join that
man the one yesterday. The Library's terrible, It's isn't it though? I
mean, come on, Eddie, get well soon, you horrible wrestler.
It's gonna come back and join the Undisputed Kingdom. Oh god, no even
could be started on the un Disputed Kingdom. Seriously, what the hell are
they? What are they going to be? What they grow up? Nothing?
Never going to grow up geese. I mean, it's like what a
waste of wrestlers. Yep, about Tony's booking. That's what needs to be
fake ideas that aren't work. He's got such dedication to what he's doing,
but he doesn't realize, Like, see that piece of ship over there on
the ground, I am really dedicated to that piece of ship. I'm kind
of thinking to Cole to be honest, I think, yeah, maybe his
friends. If he's doing it, If Poll is the one behind the Undisputed
Kingdom, they should just freaking release call right now. Seriously, just because
you just let it go. What is it about the Undisputed Kingdom? You
don't like? They're okay? So here's you asked the question, I'll answer
it. Yeah. Look, I am sitting here doing this podcast, and
in front of me is a wall. It's a it's an older wall.
It's got fades on it. It's beige, but I think it used to
be white, but it's beige now. Uh, at that wall, it's
more interesting than the Undisputed Kingdom. Oh, they're just it's just like they
are dry. There is nothing interesting about the Undisputed Kingdom at all. They
have no storyline. Roderick Strong, is that the fact a leader now that
Adam Pole is gone and Roderick Strong is he sounds like a twelve year old
to be I don't know why, but he does when he talks. He
is not imposing in the ring at all, and his character is wishy washy
now Canny Wreussell. Yes, but he's wrestling in the Undisputed Kingdom, which
makes it stupid. It's like two mules fighting over a daisy. Who cares?
Okay, I can see that. Yeah, Tavian and Bennett are r
o h. Guys. That's where their level it should be at R O
h. That's it. Adam Cole is the best thing about the Undisputed Kingdom.
And he's in a wheelchair now. Yeah, I think he's walking now,
But six months ago he was. Five months ago he was the best
thing in the under my lioner, Am I telling the truth in a wheelchair
five months ago with a broken leg? Was he the best thing in the
Undisputed Kingdom or not? Yes? Yeah, I think they're lackeys and they're
just they've overstayed. They're welcome, they they're not going to do anything interesting,
not even let them in the door. Well, and the whole thing
with no one wants to see Kyle O'Riley with the Undisputed Kingdom. They just
want to see him do something else. But here's again, and no one
wants to see it. And here's the thing about about that whole situation.
Last April, I believe it was April of last year when Orange cast he
won the International Championship, right, and then he then had what forty four
whatever the hell, I don't care title defenses that were basically every week,
and it was the same match every week with very little differences. All right,
Buddy was least he was winning Kyle O'Reilly in the last And I may
be wrong here, but including tomorrow night, I believe I'm right I did
due to math yesterday, but I don't remember out up I had in the
last sixty seven days, which is a little bit over two months. He's
had fifteen matches, but he just got back though. I mean he's had
fifteen matches. That's one match every four days now. In those matches he
is five and nine now, depending on whether he wins or loses tomorrow night,
that would be the fifteenth match tomorrow night. But in those match seasons
five and nine, So it doesn't matter if you just got back or not.
I don't want to see the same and it's nothing against Kyle O'Reilly.
It could be Tony Storm, it could be Jamie Hayter, it could be
Tenny Omega, it could be anybody. I don't want to see the same
wrestler on every single show. You're saying saturated. He's saturated, and you
know that's like, yeah, I mean Orge Cassidy. I love Orge Cassidy.
I just don't want to see him anymore. I would rather see uh
Kyler Riley versus uh that Saber Junior than I would want. I don't want
to see Orge cast wrestle anybody for like another year. I've seen enough for
two. Yeah, but Kyle style, I like, I mean, I
get it. It's just my point is is that you're over Tony Kahn.
Like I said, he gets dedicated to something and he sticks up on TV
week after week after week. If they're not wrestling, they're doing, you
know, a backstage interviewer rushing the ring. They're seen way too much.
And meanwhile, you have somebody like Wardlow who isn't used at all, and
yet we're seeing Kyle O'Reilly multiple times a week. Nothing against Kyle O'Reilly.
But if you took Kyle O'Reilly one appearance a week off of Kyle O'Reilly,
that would still mean he was on once a week instead of twice a week,
and put Wardlow on there, then you have here's the thing. The
argument has been made, and it was made tonight that the reason why they
have the Trio's division is because they can get more wrestlers out there from the
roster so they could be seen. No, that's a great point, but
that's not what's happening because it's the same wrestlers every single time. Tell me
what I'm telling lies. I'm happy that they got Brian Cage off because he
was there every week for he was in the kylo'illy role for like two months.
Yeah, and I much prefer yeah, just get the crap beat out
of him too, which is insane to me. Oh, he's just inflatable
muscles. Inflatable muscle that way. Well, and a lot of people don't
think that that that that Wardlow has that unlimited potential. He's kind of he's
kind of got himself pigeonholed into a certain type that you know, I mean,
he's kind of like Brian Cage but but but different a little bit.
But he's doing that thing that you just wardlow as an example. But you
could pretty much put your hand into the hat filled with little loose pieces of
paperword wrestler's names on to pull them out and you'll find somebody they could use.
Frankly, I'd rather see Serpentico than than Orange Cassidy in a match tomorrow.
I want to see I want to see the I want to see what's
his name from the librarians? Come back? What you're talking about? Peter,
Peter Avalon Peter. But yeah, you know they should have like a
guy like Okata wrestle a little bit more and have Roderick Strong wrestle a lot
less. Yeah, I think they need to use the top of the roster,
the best guys they have and identify who those are and feature them more
and spread them around. I think if you're a heel in aw you do
not defend your title unless you're forced to, and then if you're a good
guy, you defend every single lea. Yeah, but see, I don't
think that's the case with those three titles or those two titles, because I
think that just happens to be part of the storyline because it's with that storyline
they don't They are more or less running the show, so you know they're
not gonna They're not going to wrestle very much. So that's edition for tonight.
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