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It's Tuesday. You know what that
means. It's time for Ignition with the

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aaw fan Hop podcast team. This
is Kelson and this is Alex. I'm

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gonna take I guess a temperature check
on what people think of Collision so far

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and thoughts on a brand split,
like a hard brand split on Collision.

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I feel like we already do kind
of have a soft brand split in regards

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to Collision. We have guys like
FTR House of Black, Adam Copeland before

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he broke his leg. We've had
guys that are mainly on Collision, even

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Brian Danielson for a while he was
kind of a collision guy more so than

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a dynamite guy. And then we
have on the other side of the coin,

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we have the elite, the young
Bucks. I don't think Okada maybe

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Ocata has been on Collision once,
but has ever been on But they did,

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they did. They did add her
like to the intro video, which

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I thought was very interesting. Yeah. We but and we've also seen more

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people going back and forth. See
I'm at a point where I think we

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need to have exclusive people who do
not move and who you go to a

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show and and say his House of
Black stays on that show and that show

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only, and for God's sakes,
please keep the Elite on Dynamite so I

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can have a show I can watch
without their dumb faces on there and her.

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You know, I don't need to
see them every show, So keep

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them on Dynamite because that's their a
show, and keep them away and keep

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you know, keep certain people,
like I think back in the day there

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was five people that were there all
the time on Matt. Now that you

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knew you went to that show,
you would watch. So that's what I

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think needs to happen. Yeah,
I think they have two identities, and

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when you have guys that are exclusive
to a show, maybe it's easier to

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keep that identity because Dynamite's kind of
the more faster paced trios matches Young Bucks

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Kenney Omega style and Collisions kind of
FTR, kind of more old school guys,

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maybe even like a WWE style in
a lot of ways. Let me

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ask you, let me ask Alex
a question, and everybody else can chime

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in on this. Okay, So
Dynamite and Collision have their own identities,

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which I don't really think they do, to be honest with you, they

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do, but they don't. It's
not like a stretch. But here's the

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thing. Dynamites on Wednesday night gets
many, many, many many more viewers

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than Collision does because Collisions on a
Saturday night and that's a tough time slot,

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you know, especially for people the
East Coast. I don't know if

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is Collision Net, is Coalision live
on the West Coast at whatever time in

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the afternoon or is it eight delayed
put on at eight o'clock. It's delayed.

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Yeah, we don't. We don't
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collisions on Saturday. No, I'm
long, I'm sorry. No, we

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get it at five. Okay,
so you do get to watch it live,

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yeah, okay, but on the
East coast. Here's my point in

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all this. Let's look at the
House of Black Okay, because they are

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the quote unquote what are the Collision
faces. Okay, if they're not on

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dynamite, which they have been on
dynamite quite a bit as well. But

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if they're not on dynamite, they're
not getting any exposure whatsoever, because they're

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getting me less than well, I
don't want to say half because I don't

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have the ratings in front of me. But Collision doesn't get anywhere near the

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amount of viewers is dynamite. Does
do you think that putting somebody as a

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face on Collision is detrimental to their
careers because nobody's seeing them. It's kind

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of seen as a you know,
a demotion almost because nobody's gonna see them.

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I think people see them more than
you think they see them, because,

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as we said, ratings are kind
of archaic. I think I've always

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said that Saturday nights at that time
isn't a good time anyway. But you

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but I think a show really needs
that mainstay. If someone says you're going

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to watch that show, and they're
gonna be on it. And when I

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watch Collision the highlights because I watch
it later, I don't watch it live.

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When I watch it a lot,
I think a lot of people watch

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it later. Yeah. We do
the same thing for Diamond. When I'm

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working, I watch it later,
and that's not reported in the ratings.

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And and and that's what blows me
away by people saying, well, well,

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you know ratings are low, Well
they're gonna be on a Saturday night

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when people are out and about because
I forget it's on. But having having

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someone like the House of Black,
who are interesting, who are more old

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school type type people who like the
slower matches. I thought. I I

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watched clips of the House of Black
versus Guns and it was very good and

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Malachai Black was on top of his
game and and people want to see that,

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and maybe that's something to say,
Hey, they're going to be on

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this, watch this, and maybe
that's how you do. I don't know,

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but I don't think a total brand
split as an answert right well,

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I think it's really important to have
House of Black on Collision and maybe not

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have them as much on Dynamite,
because yeah, they're they're a huge straw.

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And if they weren't on Collision consistently, Collision would just basically be Rampage

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and a lot of ways. And
I I'm a pretty die hard fan and

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I don't watch Rampage often at all. You do need draws to bring people

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into Collision. You need like FTR
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Collision oftentimes is like an even better
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really, and I would say,
you know, if they're they're getting you

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know, four hundred plus thousand,
three hundred thousand viewers and I agree that

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a lot of people are watching it
like online, people just watch YouTube clips.

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You know, ratings are slowly going
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the ratings they got ten years ago. So, uh, you know,

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you do need if Collision is going
to exist as a separate show, you

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need you need big names on that
show. Yes, I want to I'm

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want to break in here because I
want to pull everybody. Okay, I'm

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gonna go one by one, Just
yes or no? Alex? Start with

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Alex. Alex, do you think
that there should be a brand split,

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whether a soft split or a hard
split? But do you believe that there

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should be guys you know or at
women relegated specifically to Dynamite and relegated specifically

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to UH Collision as the faces of
those brands? I would say no,

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but you should have maybe stories that
are somewhat exclusive to one show or the

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other. Okay, what about you, Suddon? No, no brands,

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but there's none. There's not enough
people and that's too much like WWE.

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Okay what about U MK? Yes, there should be. You need certain

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individuals you can put Tony Storm over
on Collision and make people watch that.

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You have to give people a reason
to watch it. If you don't,

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they're going to tune out, all
right, what about you net No,

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no, no, okay, I'm
gonna throw another wrinkle itt here. Okay,

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what we have a TNT championship,
We have a TBS championship. Okay,

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what if we had a men and
women's NT championship. What if we

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had of men and women's TBS championship, You could even not even I'm just

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using those as an example. You
could make a men and women's you know,

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collision champion, men and women dynamite
champion, you know. No,

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So I mean, that's just idea. I like the idea, and I

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get what you're saying. But here's
the problem with that. How many times

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do you hear people complain we've got
too many belts. They need to get

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rid of this belt, they need
to get rid of that belt. Addam

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more belts ain't gonna do it.
Well, if the belts actually have a

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meaning, they that does mean something. Yeah, But like the bw's tried

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this, like hundreds of times,
they would try it, they would have

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a firm brand split and then six
months later it would fall apart. And

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he has obviously done the same thing. It's like that tale as old as

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time. It's just repeated ad nauseum. So yeah, I think it's it

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makes sense in theory, but guys
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to put big stars on the other
show, it just falls apart. I

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would love to see the International Bilt
on Collision so that a way people can

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see Osprey on on Collision and once
again give them a reason to watch him

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and put him up. It doesn't
matter who he fights against. It had

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to be a brand exclusive guy.
But if he's will be your face in

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the franchise, which he is him
and mjfor right now, I think him

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mjfan Sport, but top three guys. So put a guy like Osprey on

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there who defends it every week or
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revolve around it, and put a
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out if he can handle running with
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other than you know he's to me
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fiddle to the elite storyline, so
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different show would help. Okay,
what about you, Nutt, what do

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you think about Bred specific belts.
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of the camp that there are too
many belts running around, and I think

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that AW needs to tighten some things
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think there's too much going on with
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There's big stories, but only like
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and I think they need to do
something to kind of concise everything and

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bring it all together. And I
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that. I think that pushes everyone
and everything farther apart. Now I haven't

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given my opinion, so I'm gonna
I'm gonna just my opinion in her Randomly.

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I'm kind of a similar mindset to
NK. First things first, I

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think you do have to give people
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live or on DVR. But you've
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Collision, and that starts with better
booking and better stories. Uh. When

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I talk about that, I'm in
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that Dynamite is by far the best
book show. Rampage is booked far better

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than Collision. In my opinion,
Collision is just a meaningless exhibition show to

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me right now, I mean not, there's nothing. There's nothing right now

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other than the insistent basis not there
are some weeks, but there's nothing right

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now on a consistent basis that makes
me go, oh, Saturday Night is

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coming and I gotta watch Collision.
I look at Collisions sometimes with a sense

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of dread, like definitely Dynamite is
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they put on really good Collision cards. It's not every single week. I

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know we got a little too much
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Oh good, well, but you
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be a mainstay on that show.
And I would watch more if Dalton Castle

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was on there. But he's stuck
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idea why I agree with you there. I would watch more Dalton Castle.

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Here's the problem with this, Okay, you're talking. M CA said something

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about putting Osprey on to Collision and
letting him run with it. What happens

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to the fans from Dynamite that don't
watch the other and won't watch the other,

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And what are fans of Osprey's now
you're gonna alienate them? There's no

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way to do what you want to
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everybody. The show that I've watched
almost every Collision, it's not that bad.

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They've had some bad spots, but
Dynamites had just as many, if

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not more. Don't watch Rampage very
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to watch because Friday nights at that
time I'm usually getting tired. But like

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like Alex said, it doesn't It
didn't work in other companies. It's not

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gonna work in w NAW, it's
just not gonna work. I can agree

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with it. Go ahead. Well, like I said before, though you're

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not oh number one. I need
to promote it more because Saturday gets here

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and it's you know, seven o'clock
and I'm like, not remember, but

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eight o'clock hits, I'm like,
oh crap, it's on. Because I

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see Facebook. They need to promote
it more and they need to say,

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hey, this is going to be
on the show. Watch it, you

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know, not just sporadic random matches. I don't need to see Johnny TV

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all the time. I don't.
There's fit people who are on there who

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who I don't need to see.
But if you know fans like a certain

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person, why would you keep them
off of there? And in return for

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people like like Shane Taylor promotions who
no one gives a rap, well maybe

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they have the fans and their their
fans are watching. We talked about We

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talked about this last week, and
I agree with you FKA about the promotions.

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The thing that bothers me and I
said this last week is that a

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W has been doing better over the
last two weeks as far as promoting the

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shows earlier that they have before.
We have a full back card already for

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Dynamite on pretty much. We had
that on Sunday, but there's sometimes where

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Dynamite comes the day up and you
have no idea exactly. But they've been

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getting better with that. My biggest
problem with AW right now is that,

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look, the best way to promote
their show is on social media, whether

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it's Reddit, Instagram, Twitter,
Blue Sky YouTube. The problem that I

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have with AW right now is they've
got their head shoves so far up the

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ass, thinking that Twitter is going
to get them viewers and it's not,

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and even if it does, it's
not the right viewers. And I can

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tell you as somebody who runs basically
two subreddits, is that? And of

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course we have the Discord and if
you pull we thune poll. People on

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Reddit and on Discord don't go on
Twitter. So by just focusing on Twitter

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and Instagram and I guess Facebook.
I'm not on Facebook myself, so I

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don't know what AW does on Facebook. But focusing on those platforms, you're

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missing out on a lot. But
you don't have a Twitter account. And

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I would say, like one of
the cards they post on Twitter get reposted

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the Reddit pretty quickly, just by
fans just looking for you know, whatever

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karma. Yeah, but when's the
last time you saw Tony compost on Reddit.

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When's the last time you saw he
ever posted on Reddit? No one

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does right like you just posts on
Twitter, it gets immediately reposted on Reddit.

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And yeah, I disagree with you, because sure some of the stuff

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if he says, gets posted on
Reddit, add on YouTube or whatever.

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But you want firsthand because look,
I mean again, there's not that many

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social media platforms out there that that
to use. There really isn't. And

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if AW has a community manager,
they should be posting this stuff on all

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of the subreddits and all of the
Twitter accounts and all, you know,

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what I mean, their own they
need to get out there. The problem

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with that is Reddit is not a
very highly looked upon social media place.

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It's not. It's one of the
worst looked upon places. So people aren't

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going to use it. They go
to Twether, Twitter, good at that

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because that's where the wrestlers have the
most exposure. They go on there all

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the time. It's just not the
way it's done. They they aren't going

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to do it because when people if
you talk to people and you say,

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Okay, I've got to Reddit if
you're it's so it just looks like Reddit

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is like considered low class when it
comes to the social media because I disagree

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with you, because Twitter is by
far considered low class born and Reddit.

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If you go and look at the
different companies and things that they do that

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have advertising and use advertising, you're
going to see ninety percent more of them

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on Twitter than they're on Reddit.
Because Reddit is a place that is it's

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kind of like using when you want
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places online or you go you know, and you go to the places that

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are edited and you do all those
things. I don't understand what I don't

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understand what you're talking about, Well, like when you go to I can't

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think of the name of it right
now, Where does everybody look for information

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for stuff? Right? Blank on
me for a second? About Google?

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No, not Google, the one
that you can edit for yourself. I

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can't Wikipedia. Okay, people look, what they consider Reddit to be is

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Wikipedia. Yeah, Reddit tends to
be a little bit more intelligent discussion.

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I'm not saying Reddit redditors are smart
people, but you know, Reddit is

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not like WWE doesn't advertise directly on
Reddit. It's more about like anonymous users

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just reposting things. That's you could
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had the benefit of being the only
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Yeah, but I don't think I
think. I think both these companies

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are involved in Reddit. But it's
anonymously. They use bots, they use

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people posting under other like they're trying
to sway public opinion. But it is

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like generally public opinion. It's not
a company's Twitter feed that you just follow.

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It's just it's different. It's different. As I'm saying is that if

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I had an upstart company, right
and I had the opportunity to advertise on

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five social media platforms. I'm not
just gonna say Okay, I'm gonna use

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three and not the other two.
I don't know. Like if you were

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AW and you had an AW account
on Reddit and you're like, A,

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W is a great show? You
should watch it? Like that doesn't mean

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anything on Reddit. You want an
anonymous user to be like, oh,

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I like AW, and you're just
like, well, now people like AW.

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It's not a company telling me to
watch their show because of course they

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think it's great. Some companies have
advertisements where they just have have ads on

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there in between the messages, they
have their their ads, and if you

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have an AW they can have an
account and they could post pictures of their

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of their show another card. People. Yeah, that's true, But I

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don't think anyone engages with that because
you know it's well, but you don't

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have to. You don't have to
doing nobody engaging. Nobody ever has.

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But my point is is you still
see it. You know, it's just

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like why are you? I don't
under I have never understood aw's infatuation with

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basically Twitter and Twitter only and if
it finds something else. Speaking, since

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I've been on Twitter most of the
AW wrestlers that I followed went from having

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the little blue check mark next to
their names to either not having any blue

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check mark next to their names anymore, or like hang Man Adam Paige,

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they've just disappeared completely from Twitter because
it's so toxic. It's toxic. Sure,

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you're getting your name out there to
many more people on Twitter. Possibly,

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I'm just saying that I'm speculating here, But are you getting your name

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out to the right people? Well, so toxic mercer a little blue chick

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markser gone for most people because Elon
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rid of that altogether for a minute, and then get back. It's not

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it's not just social media. I
think I made this point before when aw

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came here to Seattle just a few
weeks ago and I went to the show

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like Wressell Dream is going to be
here in October. I have been losing

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my mind. I will talk to
the average wrestling fan around town. They

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have no idea that Russell Dream is
going to be here in October. And

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the same thing happened to me in
Tulsa, Oklahoma. No, that's the

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problem. The week before get up
there and promote that is that's insane to

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me because there are AW fans here. I see them, you know,

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and I'm one of them. But
AW is not saying, you know,

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hey, Nett, we are coming
to your town. You know. There's

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there's no connection there at all.
Yeah, and that's crazy because nowadays they

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know that you're an AEW fan.
They track your social media, they track

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your browsing history, and then they
target adds to people. So I don't

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know if AW just doesn't have the
money to spend to do that, but

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there's ways to do those things.
Yeah, they there. I just can't.

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I can't believe Russell Dream. Russell
Dream was here last year. It's

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like the biggest kept secret in all
of Seattle. How is that possible?

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I mean, it's like four pay
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They haven't started advertising it anywhere yet
because it's so far out that they

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have so many things in between that
they're going to be advertising forbidden in all

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out. Yeah. But if you're
going to have a pay per view,

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is that said? If you have
a pay per view coming to Seattle in

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whatever month it is, what month
is it meant? October? October?

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Okay? If you had wrestled Dream
coming in October in Seattle. Start letting

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Seattle know, you don't have to
win. Also Oklahoma or Atlanta, Georgia.

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No, you'd start letting Seattle know
at least you know. But I

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will say this, you know,
and as I said, aw has been

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getting better. And I'll give you
an example. On Twitter, I saw

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a video advertisement posted by an All
Eat Wrestling border show that's coming up in

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Allentown, Pennsylvania on Thursday, June
twentieth. That's been up for you know,

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maybe a day now, but they
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So, combined with little things that
they're doing better at, it is

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to me looking up, you know, they are getting pipe toward the match

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cards instead of okay, collisions on, let's go watch it and see who

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the help may show up because we
have no idea. Yeah, you know

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that kind of thing hard. You've
heard about rumors of Tony Kahan like booking

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things last minute, and and that's
I think what that's the symptom of.

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They don't even know themselves what the
matches are going to be, so they

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can't advertise them. Well, ironically, that's what Tony Khan used to say

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about Vincemanes. Maybe it's a little
harder running a wrestling business than yeah,

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yeah, see it's easier for us
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we don't know. So I want
to move on. I want to talk

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about Forbid Door because we don't have
have that many matches for Forbidden Door,

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at least not as many matches as
we normally have for a pay per view

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right now. So it seems it
seems rather logical to me that we could

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get another three to five matches for
Forbid Door. Don't forget we still have

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zero Hour, you know, probably
two matches at zero Hour, at least

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one to Phil. So my question
would be, let's talk about, uh,

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who would you like to see it? For Bid Door or some people

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that have already laid out, you
know, a challenge like Jeff Cobb that

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has not been answered yet. We've
got mjf back, but he doesn't have

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a match of Forbidden Door yet.
So what do you see? What do

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you think may happen if you have
to, you know, book a couple

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of matches at least for Forbidden Door. What would you like to see see

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the Golden Lovers? I think you
still heard book. He still hurt if

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Kenny can't come back. But and
Kodo Bushi is all elite too, it's

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not even the forbidden door at that
point. That's true. I really want

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to see Nick nam it and they're
somewhere. I would love to see him

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versus m j F just because of
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Uh. I think I put on
you know that I suggested. Yeah,

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I also want to see a good
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else, but I think stat Lander
needs to be there against somebody. But

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uh, you know, I'm there's
just so many things. I don't know

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how to say his name, but
search of the age, and it's the

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big guy versus Yeah, him versus
Daniel Garcia will be interesting to see.

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Yeah. Well, one of the
things that one of the things that you

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know, I agree with you on
the women's match. One of the things

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that I had thought of for a
women's match was having a TBS Championship number

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one contender gauntlet match similar to the
one we just had with the men's for

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the h Yeah, for the TNT
Championship down the road. And what I

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did was I put three a w
there's nine women in all. I had

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three ae W, three CMLL and
three from stardom. My aw women are

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thunder Rosa, Dianna Parazzo, and
Akarushida. My cmml ones are Raina Isis,

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who was the Mexican women's champion,
Zeusi, who we just saw,

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and and rama And the reason I
put on drama in there is that she's

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twenty one years old. She's really
young and she would be good fit with

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the startup girls that I have in
or the startup women. Tam Dacanna,

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who has been on on record,
is challenging Mercedes Bone anyway, Starlight Kid

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at a z M yeah, or
a meaning Kazumi you know, so I

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think that would be a great match. But I agree with you MK that

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they need to kind of work Statlander
maybe into this, or even Willow Night

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Gale to be a foil for Statlander. But I just think that that would

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be a good zero hour batch right
there. Yeah, they got to start

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building more. I think you would
lose out if if Nimits was not on

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there somehow because he's their big star. He's I believe he's a champion and

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Japan and Mexico. I think you
lost the Japanese title I think you lost

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it to Leader of the Bullet Club
Board Dogs David Finley. Oh okay,

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he had the global title. They
have a lot of titles in New Japan

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as well. You know, there's
so many names in New Japan and CMLL

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and stardom that there's nothing booked for
them yet. I mean, I mean,

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what can you do? I mean, there's got to be something done.

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Yeah, there's too many names like
Finley and Nemus and god knows how

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many others you know from New Japan
that aren't aren't in here. You mentioned

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Cob. I want to see Ward
Low versus Cobb. That would be a

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heck of a match. Yeah.
I had a similar idea, but thinking

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of like Jeff Cobb versus another book
big Guy. I had Jeff Cobb versus

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Samoa Joe as a potential. I
had Jeff coppagainst Claudio Castigli Yeah vain Yeah,

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basically big men's slapping man meet.
Yeah. I want to see stat

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Lander in a meaningful match. She
hasn't been a meaningful matching forever. Really,

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point I think it would be neat
to have stat Lander and them on

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opposite side and have a tag partner. I don't know who I'm not good

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with names and said, but have
those two do? I added, but

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them not really touch a whole lot. But then, but the anticipation of

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them going after each other would build
a good manage. Well, my thing.

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I had thought about that originally,
I had I had stat Lander and

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AZM against Willow and Starlight Kid because
as I have been and uh, Starlight

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Kid have a similar feud going on
between that that Willow and Statlander have going

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on the problem with that is at
least tam Nakano out of it, you

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know, and she's got to be
in there somewhere. I'm sorry she does

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start anything with Willow and stant Lander. We've seen so much in the last

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year going together. It's done played
out and it should move on. Honestly,

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it's gonna be They're gonna have a
blowout match and it's gonna happen maybe

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the next pay per view. Yeah, I mean, look at what what

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I said. I had theaaparazzo a
dund Rosa in there, so I mean

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it's just like I mean, but
it goes back. We've got aws such

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a large roster of both men and
women, and of course, yes there

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are women that are out like Jimmie
Hayter and Britt Baker's Lee Hart. They're

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all champions of Karshida Rijo. They're
all champions that they have been nowhere to

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be seen, you know, for
months. It's you know, so we've

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got to get aw has got to
get their women's division back up to healthy.

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It's the best word I can use, because if they're healthy, they

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can challenge anybody. The best women's
division in wrestling. Yeah, and that's

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been and for whatever reason, since
the beginning of the women's division, that

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has been their problem. They have
never been any consistent amount of time without

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at least two to three or four
of their top people hurt. Right,

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So does anybody else have any more
forbidden door matches? Yeah? I had,

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I had a couple more. I'll
leave it, maybe just at one.

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But Yoda Suji, he's I think
the biggest up and coming wrestler in

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Japan and he's been nowhere to be
seen and he's unknown basically by American audiences

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that don't really follow New Japan.
And having him versus Okada because yeah,

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I think Okada makes sense because he
left New Japan without really putting anyone over.

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I don't know if he would actually
lose this match, but it could

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be he could make to Suji look
good in defeat. Even who is John

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guy? He's a little young boy
over there, doesn't he that he hangs

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around with? Who's that? That's
gooda umao? I heard he actually got

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hurt though he broke like a b
think he broke his hip? Yeah,

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geez, yeah he made it.
But he said that he was going to

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be back for g One, so
I don't know. Probably he fractured his

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hip ed he just located a vertebrate
or so, I can't remember. Stay

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it strained or sprained or something like
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gonna be back for g One,
I guarantee it. I'm like, okay,

404
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:51.960
it's just a flesh wound. The
only other the only other matches I

405
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:55.920
would like to see would be something
between the Bang Bang Gang and Bull of

406
00:34:55.960 --> 00:35:02.000
club Board Dogs, because I don't
that's a major thing between they. They

407
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:07.519
could happen that could lead to a
lot. Yeah. I think the war

408
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:13.920
Dogs are like really interesting wrestlers in
New Japan and they've never been featured in

409
00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:17.960
a W so I think that would
be great. How many a W champions.

410
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:24.599
Current a W champions are not booked
for forbid Door right now. Well,

411
00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:29.159
there's no uh no, that was
That was another one I saw on

412
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:37.000
the U the uh subredd that was
really interesting with having each company's tag champions

413
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:42.519
in a three way mm hmm t
m d K or is that what it

414
00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:47.079
is? T m DK or t
d m K. The Young Bucks and

415
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:51.599
I'm not sure who were doing once
from Mexico are but I think that would

416
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:54.880
be an amazing match, Magnus and
somebody else the guy who so the So

417
00:35:55.039 --> 00:36:04.280
the Bucks aren't booked for forbidda OCD
is not booked. Ausprey's got the title

418
00:36:04.360 --> 00:36:09.320
match, so those two are out
the women's is there. That's about it?

419
00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:16.599
Yeah, so we do have two
major yeah, I mean you got

420
00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:22.519
the Continental and the the tag titles
that are not up for grabs, and

421
00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:29.920
we also have the Trios. I
don't know if it's a do Unify Trios

422
00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:34.320
or whatever, but that's not booked
either. So there are three different titles

423
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:37.800
for a W I guests that are
not book yet for forbid doors, so

424
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:44.880
that both of those, both of
those titles are in eliminator matches. So

425
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:50.960
I'm wondering if maybe they can use
that as a way to get them on

426
00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:54.679
a card. Maybe somebody actually went
in an eliminator match and it's placed on

427
00:36:54.760 --> 00:37:00.079
the card. Mm hmm. But
they're both facing like no on Forbidden Door

428
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:09.679
opponents. Yeah, they got bucks
and uh okay, we might even we

429
00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:14.679
might even see all what Hard Cup
matches and Forbidden Door. I mean you

430
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:16.719
never know. Well, yeah we're
getting one. We did. I think

431
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:21.159
Shingo to Kagi. We don't know
who he's facing. It could be someone

432
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:24.880
like Danielson and that could be a
big match. He's another big name from

433
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:29.960
New Japan that can really put on
a great match, So that'll be pretty

434
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:32.960
cool. They kind of have the
same problem with everything else with Forbidden Door.

435
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:36.639
Got so many big names, now
you're gonna do with them all?

436
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:39.599
Forbidden Door seems to be like it
should be a two night event. It

437
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:45.000
really does. Yeah, seems like
it needs to be a big thing,

438
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:49.800
a bigger thing. Yeah, And
I think the issue is like they can't

439
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:55.760
bring in New Japan guys like for
weeks on end. Tony kind of to

440
00:37:55.960 --> 00:38:00.239
choose like one week to bring them
in and maybe just them might not be

441
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:05.320
till next week. We see a
bunch of people, depends on if they

442
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:07.800
have a show in the US or
not. Yeah, and I don't think

443
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:12.679
they do. Like they've had back
to back like New Japan shows, so

444
00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:19.079
they're flying back and forth, right, Well we Alex, do you want

445
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:25.840
to talk about this fantasy booking of
Forbidden Door with a draft? Yeah?

446
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:30.880
I think you know, we we've
seen now. I think as there was

447
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:37.039
direct result of AEW doing the Forbidden
Door working with New Japan CMLLL stardom.

448
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:43.920
You've seen. WWE actually announced that
they're working with Pro Wrestling Noah. They

449
00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:46.760
also sent the guide to All Japan
Pro Wrestling, so they're kind of getting

450
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:54.119
in the Forbidden Door game. Well
yea as well and DNA like it's gotten

451
00:38:54.199 --> 00:39:01.519
crazy, dam So, I guess
what? And I really doubt this would

452
00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:07.639
happen anytime soon, But we could
see WWE and Forbidden Door or WWE and

453
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:12.880
a W working together. And I
think Sutton, you had some ideas on

454
00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:15.880
how that would work. What what? I what? I You know,

455
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:21.599
they always talk about how you gotta
do what's best for business, and in

456
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:24.199
the United States, what's best for
business would be a W and WW working

457
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:28.599
together and the story I mean that's
going that would be like the b All

458
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:32.079
end All for wrestling in the States. So I was thinking the other day,

459
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:37.159
you know, what would happen if
they decided to come out at the

460
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:39.800
end of the year and say,
look, we're gonna work together, We're

461
00:39:39.800 --> 00:39:44.119
going to do a five man draft, We're going to have a forbidden door

462
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:46.239
event once a year. That's going
to be just a w and w W.

463
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:50.280
I wouldn't be forbidden door, but
you know what I mean? And

464
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:55.599
what would would My My thing would
be who would you pick if you could?

465
00:39:57.519 --> 00:40:01.599
And would there would that generate the
interested in the past it would have

466
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:06.800
with the different companies that are around. How would it go this How would

467
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:07.920
it look this time? How would
it be? Would it would it be

468
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:12.800
something that people would look forward to? No, I don't think it would

469
00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:16.360
be. I think we're all too
tribalistic right now for people to enjoy it.

470
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:20.239
That's just my feeling. I don't
want to be negative, but that's

471
00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:28.039
just how I feel. I think
it could be really positive. Like a

472
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:32.639
lot of these people that you know
hate AW because they're stealing guys from WWE,

473
00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:38.280
and people that hate WWE and would
never watch it because I don't really

474
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:42.880
know their reasoning. Well, I
mean, there may be some moral reasons,

475
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:46.199
but you know, there's there there
is a lot of bad blood,

476
00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:52.119
especially on Twitter and places like that. But yeah, I think having them

477
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:58.159
work together would be maybe give those
fans a reason to embrace them. I

478
00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:01.679
don't think they're gonna hate a w
I WWE is telling them not to.

479
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:08.280
You know, Well, the problem
what what benefit is there for WWE?

480
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:15.119
That's my big question. There's no
benefit, that's the thing. Well,

481
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:20.559
actually there could be. It just
depends on how they handled it. Because

482
00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:24.159
if they're working with AEW, then
that might give them access to other companies

483
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:28.559
that a w works with, and
the same would go for a w t

484
00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:32.079
NA. All the companies that that
that aren't working with them, now you

485
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:37.880
might be able to get a working
Basically, it could lead to a complete

486
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:44.239
globalization of wrestling. Yeah, well, the only thing is, Look,

487
00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:50.039
my biggest thing with a w's forbid
door is that I've said this a million

488
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:55.559
times, this is where where do
Japan pro wrestling stars come to lose?

489
00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:01.639
The only way it would work is
if there were tag team matches where you

490
00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:08.800
had a WWE wrestler teamed with an
aw wrestler, so what really matter who

491
00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:15.519
lost? It would be more about
the match rather than who won and who

492
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:22.079
lost. Yeah, I just yeah, there's a lot of ego involved in

493
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:29.599
wrestling, and we know WWE has
kind of buried people who probably should have

494
00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:31.199
gotten more shine light sting. How
much gonna throw a sting out there?

495
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:37.800
He got screwed over a little bit
by WWE, And I just don't think

496
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:42.119
they're the good guys. I don't
know anybody. I pay attention to it

497
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:45.079
lightly, but I wouldn't. I
want to ask, would you guys watch

498
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:51.960
it? Because I would not.
I would watch it simply because out of

499
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:58.719
curiosity. This is from somebody who
has not watched Forbidden Door one Forbidden Door

500
00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:04.320
two because I just felt that it
was too predictable. There's no way that

501
00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:07.920
this person's gonna beat this person for
that belt, not right now. Forbidden

502
00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:15.440
Door three seems to be that way
where there's a possibility that some belts may

503
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:21.000
change hands. And I think John
Moxley is gonna lose his belt at Forbidden

504
00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:29.039
Door three. And I really really
really do hope that mean a Shirakawa beats

505
00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:32.840
Tony Storm, because I think it
would be not detrimental to Tony Storm,

506
00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:37.719
and I think it will be just
great for the story. Now, with

507
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:46.320
my idea of a a WWE and
AW I guess mixed tag thing, it

508
00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:52.400
wouldn't be about who wins or loses. It would be about seeing some of

509
00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:57.880
your favorite wrestlers teaming together to face
some of your other favorite wrestlers in a

510
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:07.719
exhibition. There's nothing at stake other
than exhibition and just watching these guys that

511
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:15.400
these WWE guys that either you seen
or heard about, wrestling with aw guys

512
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:19.440
that you've either seen or heard about, and see what they can do together

513
00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:23.400
in a match. I think it
would be a whot. Yeah, they

514
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:29.119
could have some really interesting matches.
Like FTR has always talked about wanting to

515
00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:35.440
work with the USO's, you could
have like Kevin Owen's teaming with the Young

516
00:44:35.559 --> 00:44:40.159
Bucks. Again, like a lot
of these guys do have history beyond AWWWE.

517
00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:45.760
They were on the Indies together and
things like that, so it is

518
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:50.000
interesting for sure. Keep in mind, and this is something that I want

519
00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:52.280
to point out real quick. It's
keep in mind that there's very very little

520
00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:59.639
discourse or hate or disrespect between the
wrestlers of the two companies. It's the

521
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:04.360
companies that are showing to disrespect toward
each other, you know, So these

522
00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:09.440
wrestlers definitely could get along. Yeah. Yeah, it would be neat to

523
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:16.679
see Young Bucks and a New Day
Takelon, you know, Usso's and I'm

524
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:22.880
trying to think of some you know
and FTR together that'd be a neat combination.

525
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:24.480
See just an exhibition, but I
don't know if I want to see

526
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:29.400
a whole paper view for it.
But just like exhibition matches where it's just

527
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:35.800
together in this But I agree with
what Kelson said. Yeah, there'd be

528
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:40.440
some cool ones like Kenny Omega versus
seth Rawlins, you know, ones that

529
00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:45.679
you're probably not going to see because
guys are aw guys through and through or

530
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:51.360
WWE guys, and if it doesn't
happen this way, then it's not going

531
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:54.760
to happen for quite some time.
Yeah. Yeah. But the problem again

532
00:45:54.960 --> 00:46:00.440
was like Kenny Omega and seth Rawlins, that that just is not a because

533
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:10.280
who nobody wins that match? The
only way that especially older I think,

534
00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:15.679
could lose that because he's kind of
more in the twilight and it's not so

535
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:22.320
much about who wins or loses it's
the fans that win regardless of who wins

536
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:24.840
or loses. It doesn't matter if
n Omega would go against Seth Rollins,

537
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:30.920
or you could have like MGF versus
Cody Rhodes. They're current champion and you've

538
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:35.679
got history there. Everybody knows about
it. Both companies know about it.

539
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:42.199
I mean, the possibilities that are
there two it's it's not about the companies

540
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:45.719
being who wins or who loses.
It's about giving the fans something that they

541
00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:52.480
get to win in the end,
making wrestling fun exactly. Why making another

542
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:59.159
little suggestion, how about this hold
the hold the w W W W W

543
00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:04.519
E A E W Forbidden door at
Montreal and everybody will be speculating about a

544
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:15.039
screw job too. You could do
that anything. You could actually have a

545
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:17.519
screw screwjob to. It wouldn't be
a match, but you could have Seawn

546
00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:23.840
Michaels come out on one side and
you could have h mister Hart come out

547
00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:27.239
on the other. So you know
that would be I mean, the the

548
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:34.760
the the the main idea was not
to have it be a competition between the

549
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:37.679
companies, but for the fans,
ye right, you know what I mean,

550
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:44.719
Because it's the forbidden door now is
in a competition between the companies.

551
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:47.119
This is a competition between the wrestlers
trying to give the fans something that they're

552
00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:51.239
not going to get to see on
a daily basis or on a weekly basis.

553
00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:55.079
And if he threw in. You
know, they keep talking about how

554
00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:59.280
w W EAST talking about how they're
changing and they're starting to work with other

555
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:02.039
companies. Don't think it's not down
the road where they could say, hey,

556
00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:06.519
we can make a ton of money
from this, let's send somebody over.

557
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:13.840
Yeah, and in Japan they've done
that, Like they've had companies that

558
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:17.239
are both the top companies in Japan
and they do trade a guy or two.

559
00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:25.119
Yeah, well, I just think, go ahead. No, I'm

560
00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:30.599
just thinking with the changing landscape of
wrestling these days and how things are changing

561
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:37.119
globally, that it's inevitable that it's
going to happen sometimes. Maybe you know,

562
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:42.239
I'm not I'm not holding my breath
because I kill myself right now.

563
00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:49.199
But anyway, speaking of w W
E and a W working together on stuff,

564
00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:52.440
I know Alex wants to talk about
this, so I'm not going to

565
00:48:52.519 --> 00:49:00.559
really speak too much about It's it's
everything you take it from me, so

566
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:04.519
Jim Ross, I don't know where. I don't know if he was drunk

567
00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:07.599
or what the situation was. He
was talking to the Fightful Select. It

568
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:13.880
was probably talking he was on the
phone with Sean Ross sap after he had

569
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:17.119
had a couple and he was talking
about we had recently been talking on the

570
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:22.400
phone to Shane McMahon. I'm sure
they keep in touch their friends, and

571
00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:30.280
for some reason the idea of Shane
McMahon coming to ae W came up.

572
00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:35.480
Uh, And I just think that
that's crazy because, like you know,

573
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:43.920
Shane mman, the wrestler is is
not something anyone's excited about in twenty twenty

574
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:51.840
four. Shane. Yeah, Shane
mcman the ego, the McMahon ego behind

575
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:57.559
the scenes in a W Does anyone
want that? No? No, But

576
00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:00.840
then again, he's always she's always
Nobody always says changed different than his dead

577
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:07.679
and he has been. I mean, well he's always been different, feeling

578
00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:12.239
Go ahead, no, I just
say. It only took Sha McMahon,

579
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:16.960
you know what, three months to
totally destroy w c W if that,

580
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:27.880
but he still did. Yeah.
Well, here's my thing with Shane,

581
00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:32.519
Shane I think wants to distance himself
from well with all his accusations and stuff.

582
00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:37.639
I think he's trying to distance himself
from it. And do you guys

583
00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:42.880
really think that Shane that man doesn't
know more about the business than Tony Khan

584
00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:45.280
does. I mean Tony Khan needs
help. If he was a silent partner

585
00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:49.960
and not on screen, I don't
need him fighting Darby Allen and throwing him

586
00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:53.679
through panes of glass. But I
but we need brain power. I mean

587
00:50:54.719 --> 00:51:04.679
he knows the business. Yeah,
I mean you have the brain power.

588
00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:08.800
You have a mcnaon name. You
know, he knows how to have to

589
00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:15.440
put on a good match who who's
good and talent wise, he's done more.

590
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:20.920
I mean if he would come in
and be a silent partner and help

591
00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:24.440
Tony Kahn book and just do that. Yes, he had the failed underground

592
00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:29.519
w W Underground, but I think
he had his mind in the right place

593
00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:32.719
with that, because Barnett does that
or whatever his name is. That the

594
00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:37.559
blood sport and it works. But
I don't think it worked for WWE.

595
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:42.079
But he has a brain why not. I wouldn't turn it down. I

596
00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:45.599
don't know why people say no all
of a sudden. If he has a

597
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:51.440
brain power, why not. I
can think of two reasons. One,

598
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:55.000
he's a McMahon. Two, everybody's
gonna can think that he's there to do

599
00:51:55.280 --> 00:52:02.039
damage to aw that that yet they
can think of what they want. But

600
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:06.400
that's the problem. Too many people
are gonna say, why the hell would

601
00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:12.840
you bring him in? Shane never
impressed me as a wrestler, and k

602
00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:17.760
Faber not. He never impressed me
with being that big a brain, you

603
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:22.840
know. Granted his dad got to
do everything and did everything in WWE was

604
00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:27.920
all McMahon there. I don't think
Tony Kahn does that bad a job.

605
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:31.320
He's doing a lot. He's doing
a lot, and ninety nine percent of

606
00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:37.079
the stuff he does works. He
is up ship out about it. I

607
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:40.039
don't get. I don't see that
every they do is better than the one

608
00:52:40.119 --> 00:52:45.119
before. They don't. I mean, he's got it, he's got limitations

609
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:47.719
from injuries and stuff. But I
just don't see a reason to bring Shane

610
00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:52.599
McMahon in. It just doesn't make
any sense. He's not an on he's

611
00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:54.920
not an on stage guy, he's
not an on camera guy, and there's

612
00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:59.400
no use for him in the back
because he might know talent, he's necessarily

613
00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:05.880
meaning there's a aew No, I
agree with that. Look, a lot

614
00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:12.920
of the XWW guys back there who
respect him maybe and you never know,

615
00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:15.679
I don't know their feelings toward him, but if they worked him enough,

616
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:21.440
you know who knows. Yeah.
But like I think WWE doesn't want anything

617
00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:24.280
to do with the McMahon name right
now. The last thing Tony needs to

618
00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:30.199
do is introduce and incheck the McMahon
name. Just from like a PR perspective,

619
00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:36.880
I guess I think he would have
something to offer behind the scenes booking

620
00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:42.559
wise, just running a wrestling business
because he has experience and maybe ten people

621
00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:47.199
in the world have experience doing that
though it's valuable, but you just don't

622
00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:52.599
want his name involved. Who's the
guy from TNA that left that's going to

623
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:57.960
be available in twenty twenty five.
Is Scott Damore? Yeah, yeah,

624
00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:07.039
yeah, yeah, that's somebody realistically
comde w not Shane McMahon. Because I

625
00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:15.320
totally disagree with say whoever said that
that Tony Kahan doesn't need help with booking,

626
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:20.480
because he absolutely does. Because if
it's not Orange Cassidy, Kyler O'Reilly

627
00:54:20.599 --> 00:54:30.159
or Roderick Strong, we don't have
a quarter of a show. But it's

628
00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:35.400
a lot of stuff. It's like
WWE failed at booking weekly television for for

629
00:54:35.719 --> 00:54:40.239
thirty years. I understand the show
is better now, but it's hard to

630
00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:45.639
book weekly shows. But Tony Khan
does book good, really amazing pay per

631
00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:51.119
views. He does. I will
give you that. The problem that I

632
00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:57.039
have with Tony Kahn and his booking
is that he gets enamored with a group

633
00:54:57.159 --> 00:55:01.599
of wrestlers three to five, the
six wrestler, and he just books the

634
00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:06.400
crap out of him until I am
frankly sick of seeing them on my TV

635
00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:08.880
screen. And then what do I
do? And you guys know this.

636
00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:15.679
You know this because I say it
and I do it. When I'm watching

637
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:17.599
TV and I see something that I
don't want to watch, I don't care

638
00:55:17.639 --> 00:55:22.679
whether it's a sitcom, a news
channel or whatever. If I see something

639
00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:28.079
that I don't want to watch,
I change the channel. Aw is no

640
00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:31.320
different if I see something on there, like tomorrow night, we're having that

641
00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:37.360
match between it's the eight Way Match, and it's got Orange, Cassidy,

642
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:44.519
Kyle O'Riley, Rodert Strong and a
few others. But all I can tell

643
00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:49.199
you right now is that I have
absolutely zero intention of watching that match because

644
00:55:49.480 --> 00:55:52.920
it's been done to death. It's
been done to death. I don't care

645
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:59.880
if you change the other three or
four wrestlers. You know, the identity

646
00:55:59.880 --> 00:56:04.480
of any of them just been done
to death. And I'm tired of the

647
00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:07.280
same, old, same. We
need diversity of the booking. Well,

648
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:10.760
you're right, there is some diversity
needed. But here's the thing. This

649
00:56:12.119 --> 00:56:15.400
is Forbidden Door season. This is
the time where they break away from doing

650
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:21.719
the regular main stuff and just do
what do you call it? Before the

651
00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:25.559
the uh point where a w stories
go to die? Is that what you

652
00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:30.960
said? It was something like that. That's Forbidden Doors. When is where

653
00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:35.719
n J p W wrestlers come to
lose? No, no, no,

654
00:56:35.800 --> 00:56:38.400
you said it about when the book
everybody was calling it something else? What

655
00:56:38.679 --> 00:56:47.760
was calling Oh god, what did
he call it? Still season? This

656
00:56:47.960 --> 00:56:51.639
is this is this is the thing. There's not gonna be a lot of

657
00:56:51.719 --> 00:56:57.760
storylines started now because Forbidden Door is
in his storyline driven pay per view.

658
00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:04.199
Uh, generally you're to some degree, there are a lot of matches that

659
00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:08.599
are the same and it can be
a pain. But like like I always

660
00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:12.159
said, you know, I agree, it's one hundred percent that it can't

661
00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:20.039
be difficult to add a lot of
variety to a weekly show and to do

662
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:24.679
as a specific question about Forbidden Door, Sutton, Okay, Off the matches

663
00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:29.920
that are booked for Forbidden Door,
provided that you even know any of them.

664
00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:34.719
Off the matches currently for currently booked
for Forbidden Door, which one are

665
00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:39.559
you looking forward to the most?
Well, none of the probably the Nito

666
00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:43.679
Moxley match. I think that's gonna
be the best one this booked right now.

667
00:57:44.360 --> 00:57:45.639
I don't about that one. There's
no build up to it. There's

668
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:49.719
not going to be a build up
to it. The only match's going to

669
00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:53.239
have any build up for Forbidden Door
would probably is going to be the Swerve

670
00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:59.960
versus Ospring match. That's it.
Yeah, but Tony Storm, That's how

671
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:06.079
had a lot of build like months, and but it's it didn't have any

672
00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:08.760
this week. It did the week
before, It didn't have any this week,

673
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:13.320
probably won't have any this coming week. I mean I'm talking about like

674
00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:22.679
we're gonna have a big we're having. It's booked for Dynamite. That's so.

675
00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:25.119
I mean, look the way I
look at it, you meant you

676
00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:32.840
mentioned, uh, what did you
say, Dio versus? I could give

677
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:38.719
a rats as that. I can't
remember anything being said about that except for

678
00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:47.199
a for A that was that was, you know, Spree versus Asprey versus

679
00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:57.760
Strickland. There's been nothing. Last
week they closed the show. That's been

680
00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:00.679
Yeah, they've been doing anything.
Last week they stared at each other.

681
00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:10.000
Do you want them to? Here's
the point? Here's the point. Here's

682
00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:15.639
the point. Every other pay per
view except for Forbidden Door, they do

683
00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:20.880
even if it's only a month's worth
of build up, they'll build it up.

684
00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:23.880
They don't do that for Forbidden Door. They don't do anything for Forbidden

685
00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:28.119
Door. It's like Tony says,
Okay, we've got this important thing that

686
00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:30.159
we're gonna have all these other people
in. We're gonna talk about the matches,

687
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:35.039
but we're not gonna do a lot
of storyline because we don't we don't

688
00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:37.840
have anything that the storylines are gonna
lead to. Yes, the mirrors here

689
00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:44.159
and the Ministerier Cawa and the Tony
Storm match has had some build They did

690
00:59:44.239 --> 00:59:46.280
some build with Osprey, and that
one's the only one because it is actually

691
00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:52.199
a bill to is the Osprey versus
Swerve, But that that's not even me

692
00:59:52.280 --> 01:00:00.400
a real Forbidden Door match because it's
between two champions from a W but it's

693
01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:05.079
on Forbidden Door. The point is
after Forbidden Door is gone in two weeks,

694
01:00:06.159 --> 01:00:08.840
they'll start building. These other stories
will come out of it. Hopefully

695
01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:15.719
the minasire Cowboy and Tony Storm and
Mariah Maythan will be worked on. They'll

696
01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:19.360
come out with stuff from Forbidden Door
that they may not work into because they

697
01:00:19.480 --> 01:00:22.599
take the time to just do some
extra shows, put extra people in,

698
01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:29.719
like Dalton Castle and like Donny TV
a couple different times on Collision all year

699
01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:30.800
long. You haven't seen him on
Collision. When's the last time you seen

700
01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:37.039
him on Collision these last two weeks
during the Forbidden Door season. So it's

701
01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:43.079
a chance that's the whole point they're
not this is the time where Tony goes,

702
01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:45.440
Okay, we can relax off a
little bit. Let's get some other

703
01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:50.159
people involved. And that's what they
do. But I don't understand chance.

704
01:00:51.039 --> 01:01:00.480
I don't understand why they're having two
matches without any any involvement and for Indoor

705
01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:06.639
Osprey versus Orb and then they're having
this t n t UH ladder match.

706
01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:12.280
I think there's two more participants there, and they both could be from other

707
01:01:12.400 --> 01:01:16.920
companies. I don't know you.
I thought Dante, Martin and them were

708
01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:23.679
in it, and some other Dante, and then there's two more yet to

709
01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:30.719
be determined. See I don't have
the match. Yeah, it feels like

710
01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:40.159
an a W match featuring yeah,
exactly exhibition matches. I thought Shoda could

711
01:01:40.199 --> 01:01:45.199
have won that because he's had history
with Jack Perry and then they could feud

712
01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:52.440
after that, But now he's hurt. So here's here's the thing. And

713
01:01:53.920 --> 01:01:58.320
when it comes to Forbidden Door,
we, as we've already said, we've

714
01:01:58.400 --> 01:02:04.519
got a champions that have not are
not a part of Forbidden Door yet.

715
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:09.280
We definitely got new Japan champions that
are not part of Forbidden Door yet.

716
01:02:09.639 --> 01:02:15.880
We definitely have Startom champions that are
not part of Forbidden Door yet. So

717
01:02:16.360 --> 01:02:19.840
I think that they've got a lot
of work to do. But the problem

718
01:02:19.960 --> 01:02:22.400
is is that there's only so many, so much time, and as I

719
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:24.960
said earlier, it's got the point
where for Bidden Door may need to be

720
01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:36.199
two separate nights. If a if
a w'sh if a w's women's division was

721
01:02:36.280 --> 01:02:39.280
not so decimated by injuries right now, I would even go so far as

722
01:02:39.360 --> 01:02:45.519
to say, look, Saturday is
women's night. M today is men's night.

723
01:02:45.039 --> 01:02:51.480
I one get the other one.
Amazing. That would be the best

724
01:02:51.639 --> 01:02:55.519
thing that could possibly happen. I
really do believe that CML C, m

725
01:02:55.920 --> 01:03:01.000
L A W and Stardom women are
that good. And let's not rush it

726
01:03:01.159 --> 01:03:08.239
with the CMLL New Japan and AW
men's divisions, because they're that good.

727
01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:14.639
But you've got to have meaningful matches, not just where CMLL guys and New

728
01:03:14.719 --> 01:03:21.800
Japan guys come to lose, you
know, And yeah, Moxley and Data

729
01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:30.639
look pretty much everybody expects Data to
win. So so to me, that's

730
01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:37.039
not a big deal to have a
New Japan guy win a title for one

731
01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:43.159
for Yeah, but what I'm saying
it is is that it's exciting surprise.

732
01:03:43.519 --> 01:03:46.079
I want to see something I told
you. I've said it earlier and I'll

733
01:03:46.119 --> 01:03:50.960
say it again. Mina Sharkwa needs
to win the AW Women's World Championship,

734
01:03:51.559 --> 01:03:58.239
plain and simple. But it would
be I hope she does, because that

735
01:03:58.280 --> 01:04:00.280
will really set up them for the
next Hell, that sets him up for

736
01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:06.159
the next three pay per views just
with those three girls. But well,

737
01:04:06.199 --> 01:04:12.159
but Tony has to have the cajonas
to pull the stunt off and I don't

738
01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:16.000
think he has. This is why
I absolutely absolutely believe that Tony does,

739
01:04:17.239 --> 01:04:23.559
especially since Tony spent so much time
in Stardom. I think that Tony would

740
01:04:23.599 --> 01:04:28.519
be absolutely willing to do that for
Stardom. The startup needs it, Startom.

741
01:04:28.880 --> 01:04:31.239
If eddy match needs to be won, I really do believe it's that

742
01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:36.159
match because Stardom really needs that.
That's shot in the arm because they have

743
01:04:36.320 --> 01:04:45.199
to they have to bury Mira Gold. Yeah. Well yeah, they just

744
01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:50.360
lost Megan Maine. I guess she's
leaving and she's not signed W to a

745
01:04:50.719 --> 01:04:57.639
W yet, so uh, you
know, Barra Gold has taken quite a

746
01:04:57.679 --> 01:05:02.400
bit of the roster of that tremendous
amount, but they've taken quite a bit

747
01:05:02.440 --> 01:05:08.199
of a roster away from Stardom and
their Stardom's founder is now the founder of

748
01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:16.400
marigold A. Stardom has still a
fantastic roster. But having the a W

749
01:05:16.719 --> 01:05:21.519
Championship and Stardom, even it's for
two weeks, it would be a boon.

750
01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:25.679
I've said it before and I'll say
it again. It'll be a boon

751
01:05:25.880 --> 01:05:32.480
for stardom and they need it and
they deserve it because those women, I'll

752
01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:40.239
tell you what you watch Stardom it
ruins everybody else For me, I really

753
01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:45.679
does. I mean, I look
at other AW I look at WWE personally,

754
01:05:47.199 --> 01:05:53.360
this type of wrestling that I like
to watch, Stardom does. Yeah,

755
01:05:54.440 --> 01:05:59.840
yeah, I think, yeah,
I agree with you. But look,

756
01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:06.639
let's let's move on. We made
a post today as a matter of

757
01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:13.320
fact that it exploded on the AW
fan hub subreddit and what the post was

758
01:06:13.400 --> 01:06:16.159
about was about and we've talked about
this before, but I think it bears

759
01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:28.159
being talked about again because the Young
Bucks are the AW Tag Team champions And

760
01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:36.320
the question was does anybody care about
the Trio's division and AW And I want

761
01:06:36.360 --> 01:06:44.280
to just give you what a large
percentage of the people did say and I

762
01:06:44.440 --> 01:06:49.719
and it shocked me because a large
percentage, I would say, the majority,

763
01:06:49.880 --> 01:06:56.960
said yeah, we like the Trio's
division more than the tag teams.

764
01:06:58.840 --> 01:07:00.960
Now, that may have a lot
to do with the junk Box being hated,

765
01:07:01.800 --> 01:07:06.800
you know, and disrespected or whatever. You know, So people don't

766
01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:12.519
want to say tag teams because the
Young Bucks have them. Yeah. Yeah.

767
01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:15.840
It was kind of shocking to me
to see that because I said in

768
01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:23.599
the past that I believe the trio's
division should just be gone and AW should

769
01:07:23.679 --> 01:07:31.400
concentrate on the tag team division because
tag teams are historically what you have wrestling.

770
01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:39.119
Maybe it's a younger generation Kelsen,
Uh, maybe younger fans like to

771
01:07:39.199 --> 01:07:44.559
see the chaos and said because because
that I was younger and Nitro had a

772
01:07:44.639 --> 01:07:49.480
Loutrador, they had something called uh
Luca libre ruled where if one person went

773
01:07:49.519 --> 01:07:53.760
out of the ring and the next
to come in with that attag and I

774
01:07:53.840 --> 01:07:56.519
loved watching it was because those guys
were flying in and out of the ring

775
01:07:56.880 --> 01:08:00.719
and it was exciting. Uh.
I'm a mixed bag on the trios to

776
01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:05.480
be honest with you. I think
there should be for special times and not

777
01:08:05.599 --> 01:08:09.679
for it. But if the fans
want it, you know, as they

778
01:08:09.760 --> 01:08:13.599
say, you got to get the
fans what they want and they may just

779
01:08:13.679 --> 01:08:16.760
have to bite the bullet and go
with it because there's a whole variety of

780
01:08:16.840 --> 01:08:24.640
people. But the young Bucks killed
the momentum of the tag team division.

781
01:08:24.720 --> 01:08:30.000
Life opinion plus injury plus injuries I
agree on and I think the problem is

782
01:08:31.039 --> 01:08:36.560
with the tag team division aside from
Big Bill and them having the titles before

783
01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:41.359
they took it with stinging Darby who've
been to champions the last two years,

784
01:08:42.039 --> 01:08:47.800
it's either been FTR or the Bucks. And you have really great tag teams

785
01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:54.279
in ae W, but they're not
getting the exposure. The reason why they'll

786
01:08:54.399 --> 01:08:58.920
never get rid of the triple the
trios is because with having such a large

787
01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:02.039
roster and having so many people available
that they want to get in. That's

788
01:09:02.079 --> 01:09:08.359
where those matches come in because three
per side beats two and gives you more

789
01:09:08.399 --> 01:09:12.479
people per show. Yeah, but
and I don't see where everybody has this

790
01:09:12.640 --> 01:09:16.239
problem with them having a trios division
and a tag division because it doesn't take

791
01:09:16.279 --> 01:09:23.079
away from the thing because you can
schedule like, okay, so tomorrow we

792
01:09:23.239 --> 01:09:29.439
have the Young Bucks versus the Scissor
Gang. Okay, the Acclaim versus them.

793
01:09:29.600 --> 01:09:30.880
It's going to be a tag team. Nobody's going to be allowed near

794
01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:33.479
the at the side of the ring, so it's just going to be the

795
01:09:33.520 --> 01:09:41.439
Acclaim versus the Bucks. But if
you didn't have the Acclaim as a trios,

796
01:09:42.760 --> 01:09:49.000
you wouldn't have Daddy Ass being involved. And people love Daddy Ass and

797
01:09:49.119 --> 01:09:53.880
they can they can do them separately. They can do a tag team match

798
01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:56.720
on Wednesday and then come on Friday, or Saturday and do a trios match.

799
01:09:57.199 --> 01:09:59.800
So I don't see where there's an
issue where it's you know what I

800
01:09:59.840 --> 01:10:03.880
mean. But you can let me
throw something out there. Let me throw

801
01:10:03.920 --> 01:10:09.920
something out there. Okay. Uh, look at the meaningless trios matches that

802
01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:15.680
we've had, m H. All
right, and then go do some research

803
01:10:15.680 --> 01:10:20.239
and look at how many tag team
wrestlers have been injured and taken out the

804
01:10:20.239 --> 01:10:25.680
commission and those meaningless three Well,
yeah, I get that, But the

805
01:10:25.840 --> 01:10:29.800
reason they have so many meaningless trios
matches is to get the guys on the

806
01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:31.960
roster, to get them in the
matches. That's why they do it,

807
01:10:32.319 --> 01:10:39.800
and it's not going to change because
they have too many people. Yeah,

808
01:10:40.439 --> 01:10:47.880
honestly, yeah, I I'm ay, you know, but a private party

809
01:10:47.920 --> 01:10:51.439
had another person, they added one
more person in the private party, they

810
01:10:51.479 --> 01:10:57.880
could join that trios and stuff.
But like I, like I said,

811
01:10:57.880 --> 01:11:01.199
I just feel that it's it.
It doesn't work for me. I don't

812
01:11:01.199 --> 01:11:06.319
want to see it because I'm old
school and I much more enjoy uh tag

813
01:11:06.359 --> 01:11:11.159
team matches where there's that desperation to
tag, where I don't feel the hot

814
01:11:11.239 --> 01:11:16.680
tag is as hot as when you
have a trios I agree, that that.

815
01:11:16.760 --> 01:11:19.279
Of course, when you have the
Trios batches, you get that stupid

816
01:11:19.319 --> 01:11:24.720
ass spot where everybody just kind of
waits around ninja style and that they one

817
01:11:24.760 --> 01:11:27.520
guy does his move on one guy, that the next guy gets up and

818
01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:30.439
does his move on the guy that
just in the move, and it keeps

819
01:11:30.520 --> 01:11:33.920
going until everybody's laid flat on her
back in the you know, all over

820
01:11:33.960 --> 01:11:38.159
the rings. They do it every
time, and it's the dumbest thing I've

821
01:11:38.159 --> 01:11:42.720
ever seen in my life. I
agree there, that's just laziness on the

822
01:11:42.840 --> 01:11:47.960
wrestler's part. Well, yeah,
like I thought on Dynamite last week,

823
01:11:48.039 --> 01:11:53.920
we had the Trios match that I
know Kelson hated, Orange, Cassidy Callilly

824
01:11:54.079 --> 01:12:00.079
and Mark Briscoe the Conglomerate versus the
Heels, and I thought that was my

825
01:12:00.239 --> 01:12:06.119
favorite match on Dynamite. And then
we had So Black versus the Bang Band

826
01:12:06.199 --> 01:12:12.239
Gang on Collision and that was my
favorite match maybe the whole week. So

827
01:12:13.279 --> 01:12:15.159
Trios has a lot of potential,
and now they have you know, the

828
01:12:16.359 --> 01:12:21.119
Christian Cage, the Patriarchy year going
after the Trios title, House of Black

829
01:12:21.159 --> 01:12:29.479
are now good guys all of a
sudden, like the crowd taking everybody on

830
01:12:29.720 --> 01:12:36.199
one on one. I'm pack seems
to be sided with the House of Black

831
01:12:36.319 --> 01:12:45.319
for whatever reason, I don't know. He's always upset. Well, he's

832
01:12:45.359 --> 01:12:49.760
feeling his emotions. Remember he asked
them to make him feel something, so

833
01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:57.760
he's experiencing all his emotions. He
did get spit in the face a couple

834
01:12:57.800 --> 01:13:04.720
of times. So going on that, Dalton Castle might be teaming up with

835
01:13:04.880 --> 01:13:08.000
the what's the hell in the name
of that tag team that came out with

836
01:13:08.119 --> 01:13:14.239
him on Saturday The Yeah didn't somewhere
somebody say that they might be a new

837
01:13:14.279 --> 01:13:20.039
trio to if you if you look
at Dalton Castle, he's had a revolving

838
01:13:20.279 --> 01:13:26.119
door of people played the Boys.
Yeah, but this is going to be

839
01:13:26.199 --> 01:13:29.239
the boys. From what I saw, it wasn't going to be the boy

840
01:13:29.279 --> 01:13:32.079
It's going to be him and the
Outriders. They're going to be the Outrunners,

841
01:13:32.159 --> 01:13:36.960
not the Outrighter run and it's and
that was a one time thing.

842
01:13:38.039 --> 01:13:44.760
I would be shocked, shocked,
absolutely shocked if if the next time Dog

843
01:13:44.880 --> 01:13:49.079
Castle shows up anywhere that the Outrunners
are with him, it'll be somebody else

844
01:13:50.920 --> 01:13:58.720
time. Oh God, God,
even with mascot, I'd still booth them.

845
01:14:01.159 --> 01:14:09.760
God, thank you for ruining my
good time. Yeah, that's your

846
01:14:09.840 --> 01:14:21.039
favorite trio. I wish that they
would uh Roderick Strong Eddie Kingston just for

847
01:14:21.199 --> 01:14:29.279
one night and he come back in
his wheelchair yelling at everyone. So I

848
01:14:31.039 --> 01:14:38.119
think the best way to fix the
trio's division and make it more fun is

849
01:14:38.199 --> 01:14:44.520
to stop having the mixing match groups
and just strictly go with like like you

850
01:14:44.600 --> 01:14:47.119
said, Alex, last Wednesdays was
a great one, Saturdays was a great

851
01:14:47.159 --> 01:14:51.600
one, but those were normal triple
teams. They weren't thrown together into a

852
01:14:51.680 --> 01:14:56.119
match. I think if you took
that out of it and just made it

853
01:14:56.239 --> 01:15:00.720
a true category and had those guys
in it, you could get to other

854
01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:02.760
people and put them in tag teams
and try to rebuild the tag team division.

855
01:15:04.920 --> 01:15:10.479
Yeah, it just seems to be
like we're seeing I called it groundhog

856
01:15:10.560 --> 01:15:15.000
Day yesterday. We're seeing the same
matches and the multi MN matches where three

857
01:15:15.079 --> 01:15:18.760
on three or four on four it's
groundhog Day. It seems like they're doing

858
01:15:18.840 --> 01:15:24.600
the same match over and over and
over again, which is one or two

859
01:15:24.640 --> 01:15:27.680
different people in them. Well,
this one Tomorrow Night kind of does have

860
01:15:27.920 --> 01:15:32.960
some implications for the uh upcoming Forbidden
Door because it does have Mors Cassidy on

861
01:15:33.039 --> 01:15:36.439
one side and Zach Taber Junior on
the other. Yeah, but it also

862
01:15:38.039 --> 01:15:43.039
but again my point is don and
I you know, if it has an

863
01:15:43.039 --> 01:15:46.520
implication, I don't know because I
won't be watching it. I have no

864
01:15:46.760 --> 01:15:49.520
interest in seeing that I missed the
best match of the night. Again,

865
01:15:50.079 --> 01:15:56.880
I sincerely doubt that that will come
even close to be at the best match

866
01:15:56.960 --> 01:16:00.279
of the night. I don't know. Zach Zaber's supposed to be one of

867
01:16:00.319 --> 01:16:02.960
the greatest technical wrestlers in the game, so you know, not Attagon there

868
01:16:03.039 --> 01:16:06.119
is, but there is Roger Roderick
Strong's in it. So yeah, there

869
01:16:06.199 --> 01:16:15.680
you go. Eddie kinks to get
back soon so you can join join that

870
01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:26.840
man the one yesterday. The Library's
terrible, It's isn't it though? I

871
01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:31.039
mean, come on, Eddie,
get well soon, you horrible wrestler.

872
01:16:31.680 --> 01:16:36.560
It's gonna come back and join the
Undisputed Kingdom. Oh god, no even

873
01:16:36.600 --> 01:16:43.039
could be started on the un Disputed
Kingdom. Seriously, what the hell are

874
01:16:43.119 --> 01:16:46.079
they? What are they going to
be? What they grow up? Nothing?

875
01:16:46.439 --> 01:16:49.239
Never going to grow up geese.
I mean, it's like what a

876
01:16:49.479 --> 01:16:57.039
waste of wrestlers. Yep, about
Tony's booking. That's what needs to be

877
01:16:57.119 --> 01:17:05.600
fake ideas that aren't work. He's
got such dedication to what he's doing,

878
01:17:06.159 --> 01:17:10.600
but he doesn't realize, Like,
see that piece of ship over there on

879
01:17:10.720 --> 01:17:14.800
the ground, I am really dedicated
to that piece of ship. I'm kind

880
01:17:14.840 --> 01:17:21.000
of thinking to Cole to be honest, I think, yeah, maybe his

881
01:17:21.159 --> 01:17:28.840
friends. If he's doing it,
If Poll is the one behind the Undisputed

882
01:17:28.920 --> 01:17:35.439
Kingdom, they should just freaking release
call right now. Seriously, just because

883
01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:42.760
you just let it go. What
is it about the Undisputed Kingdom? You

884
01:17:42.880 --> 01:17:48.640
don't like? They're okay? So
here's you asked the question, I'll answer

885
01:17:48.720 --> 01:17:53.960
it. Yeah. Look, I
am sitting here doing this podcast, and

886
01:17:54.039 --> 01:17:58.439
in front of me is a wall. It's a it's an older wall.

887
01:17:59.039 --> 01:18:02.760
It's got fades on it. It's
beige, but I think it used to

888
01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:09.680
be white, but it's beige now. Uh, at that wall, it's

889
01:18:09.760 --> 01:18:15.920
more interesting than the Undisputed Kingdom.
Oh, they're just it's just like they

890
01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:20.479
are dry. There is nothing interesting
about the Undisputed Kingdom at all. They

891
01:18:20.560 --> 01:18:27.119
have no storyline. Roderick Strong,
is that the fact a leader now that

892
01:18:27.319 --> 01:18:31.399
Adam Pole is gone and Roderick Strong
is he sounds like a twelve year old

893
01:18:31.439 --> 01:18:34.920
to be I don't know why,
but he does when he talks. He

894
01:18:35.159 --> 01:18:41.039
is not imposing in the ring at
all, and his character is wishy washy

895
01:18:41.560 --> 01:18:45.920
now Canny Wreussell. Yes, but
he's wrestling in the Undisputed Kingdom, which

896
01:18:45.000 --> 01:18:49.039
makes it stupid. It's like two
mules fighting over a daisy. Who cares?

897
01:18:50.000 --> 01:18:56.880
Okay, I can see that.
Yeah, Tavian and Bennett are r

898
01:18:56.920 --> 01:19:00.159
o h. Guys. That's where
their level it should be at R O

899
01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:04.760
h. That's it. Adam Cole
is the best thing about the Undisputed Kingdom.

900
01:19:05.079 --> 01:19:11.840
And he's in a wheelchair now.
Yeah, I think he's walking now,

901
01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:15.960
But six months ago he was.
Five months ago he was the best

902
01:19:16.000 --> 01:19:19.319
thing in the under my lioner,
Am I telling the truth in a wheelchair

903
01:19:19.439 --> 01:19:21.720
five months ago with a broken leg? Was he the best thing in the

904
01:19:21.800 --> 01:19:30.520
Undisputed Kingdom or not? Yes?
Yeah, I think they're lackeys and they're

905
01:19:30.640 --> 01:19:33.960
just they've overstayed. They're welcome,
they they're not going to do anything interesting,

906
01:19:34.439 --> 01:19:39.800
not even let them in the door. Well, and the whole thing

907
01:19:39.880 --> 01:19:45.119
with no one wants to see Kyle
O'Riley with the Undisputed Kingdom. They just

908
01:19:45.199 --> 01:19:49.680
want to see him do something else. But here's again, and no one

909
01:19:49.760 --> 01:19:54.840
wants to see it. And here's
the thing about about that whole situation.

910
01:19:55.720 --> 01:20:00.119
Last April, I believe it was
April of last year when Orange cast he

911
01:20:00.359 --> 01:20:09.159
won the International Championship, right,
and then he then had what forty four

912
01:20:10.079 --> 01:20:15.159
whatever the hell, I don't care
title defenses that were basically every week,

913
01:20:15.119 --> 01:20:20.039
and it was the same match every
week with very little differences. All right,

914
01:20:21.199 --> 01:20:27.800
Buddy was least he was winning Kyle
O'Reilly in the last And I may

915
01:20:27.880 --> 01:20:30.399
be wrong here, but including tomorrow
night, I believe I'm right I did

916
01:20:30.520 --> 01:20:33.880
due to math yesterday, but I
don't remember out up I had in the

917
01:20:33.960 --> 01:20:40.760
last sixty seven days, which is
a little bit over two months. He's

918
01:20:40.760 --> 01:20:45.079
had fifteen matches, but he just
got back though. I mean he's had

919
01:20:45.199 --> 01:20:51.880
fifteen matches. That's one match every
four days now. In those matches he

920
01:20:53.079 --> 01:20:56.840
is five and nine now, depending
on whether he wins or loses tomorrow night,

921
01:20:57.199 --> 01:21:00.880
that would be the fifteenth match tomorrow
night. But in those match seasons

922
01:21:00.920 --> 01:21:03.359
five and nine, So it doesn't
matter if you just got back or not.

923
01:21:04.840 --> 01:21:09.520
I don't want to see the same
and it's nothing against Kyle O'Reilly.

924
01:21:09.640 --> 01:21:13.439
It could be Tony Storm, it
could be Jamie Hayter, it could be

925
01:21:14.479 --> 01:21:17.720
Tenny Omega, it could be anybody. I don't want to see the same

926
01:21:17.840 --> 01:21:29.119
wrestler on every single show. You're
saying saturated. He's saturated, and you

927
01:21:29.159 --> 01:21:36.319
know that's like, yeah, I
mean Orge Cassidy. I love Orge Cassidy.

928
01:21:36.399 --> 01:21:41.119
I just don't want to see him
anymore. I would rather see uh

929
01:21:41.439 --> 01:21:46.720
Kyler Riley versus uh that Saber Junior
than I would want. I don't want

930
01:21:46.760 --> 01:21:53.000
to see Orge cast wrestle anybody for
like another year. I've seen enough for

931
01:21:53.079 --> 01:21:58.600
two. Yeah, but Kyle style, I like, I mean, I

932
01:21:58.880 --> 01:22:03.800
get it. It's just my point
is is that you're over Tony Kahn.

933
01:22:04.079 --> 01:22:09.760
Like I said, he gets dedicated
to something and he sticks up on TV

934
01:22:10.920 --> 01:22:15.439
week after week after week. If
they're not wrestling, they're doing, you

935
01:22:15.520 --> 01:22:19.640
know, a backstage interviewer rushing the
ring. They're seen way too much.

936
01:22:19.760 --> 01:22:28.560
And meanwhile, you have somebody like
Wardlow who isn't used at all, and

937
01:22:28.760 --> 01:22:33.199
yet we're seeing Kyle O'Reilly multiple times
a week. Nothing against Kyle O'Reilly.

938
01:22:33.640 --> 01:22:40.800
But if you took Kyle O'Reilly one
appearance a week off of Kyle O'Reilly,

939
01:22:40.880 --> 01:22:45.159
that would still mean he was on
once a week instead of twice a week,

940
01:22:45.840 --> 01:22:49.680
and put Wardlow on there, then
you have here's the thing. The

941
01:22:49.880 --> 01:22:55.239
argument has been made, and it
was made tonight that the reason why they

942
01:22:55.319 --> 01:23:00.560
have the Trio's division is because they
can get more wrestlers out there from the

943
01:23:00.720 --> 01:23:04.319
roster so they could be seen.
No, that's a great point, but

944
01:23:04.479 --> 01:23:12.479
that's not what's happening because it's the
same wrestlers every single time. Tell me

945
01:23:12.560 --> 01:23:17.039
what I'm telling lies. I'm happy
that they got Brian Cage off because he

946
01:23:17.239 --> 01:23:21.920
was there every week for he was
in the kylo'illy role for like two months.

947
01:23:24.479 --> 01:23:28.760
Yeah, and I much prefer yeah, just get the crap beat out

948
01:23:28.760 --> 01:23:32.920
of him too, which is insane
to me. Oh, he's just inflatable

949
01:23:33.039 --> 01:23:41.119
muscles. Inflatable muscle that way.
Well, and a lot of people don't

950
01:23:41.119 --> 01:23:46.680
think that that that that Wardlow has
that unlimited potential. He's kind of he's

951
01:23:46.760 --> 01:23:51.399
kind of got himself pigeonholed into a
certain type that you know, I mean,

952
01:23:53.239 --> 01:23:57.600
he's kind of like Brian Cage but
but but different a little bit.

953
01:23:57.760 --> 01:24:00.560
But he's doing that thing that you
just wardlow as an example. But you

954
01:24:00.640 --> 01:24:04.600
could pretty much put your hand into
the hat filled with little loose pieces of

955
01:24:04.640 --> 01:24:09.039
paperword wrestler's names on to pull them
out and you'll find somebody they could use.

956
01:24:09.680 --> 01:24:15.239
Frankly, I'd rather see Serpentico than
than Orange Cassidy in a match tomorrow.

957
01:24:15.279 --> 01:24:17.640
I want to see I want to
see the I want to see what's

958
01:24:17.680 --> 01:24:24.159
his name from the librarians? Come
back? What you're talking about? Peter,

959
01:24:24.560 --> 01:24:31.640
Peter Avalon Peter. But yeah,
you know they should have like a

960
01:24:31.680 --> 01:24:38.239
guy like Okata wrestle a little bit
more and have Roderick Strong wrestle a lot

961
01:24:38.319 --> 01:24:41.199
less. Yeah, I think they
need to use the top of the roster,

962
01:24:41.359 --> 01:24:45.199
the best guys they have and identify
who those are and feature them more

963
01:24:45.840 --> 01:24:49.800
and spread them around. I think
if you're a heel in aw you do

964
01:24:49.960 --> 01:24:55.560
not defend your title unless you're forced
to, and then if you're a good

965
01:24:55.600 --> 01:24:59.239
guy, you defend every single lea. Yeah, but see, I don't

966
01:24:59.239 --> 01:25:01.079
think that's the case with those three
titles or those two titles, because I

967
01:25:01.119 --> 01:25:09.119
think that just happens to be part
of the storyline because it's with that storyline

968
01:25:09.319 --> 01:25:14.079
they don't They are more or less
running the show, so you know they're

969
01:25:14.119 --> 01:25:17.039
not gonna They're not going to wrestle
very much. So that's edition for tonight.

970
01:25:17.880 --> 01:25:24.039
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971
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973
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975
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