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Hey, what's up. It's Emily
and welcome back to another episode of The

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Straight Shooter Recruiter. If you don't
know me, my goal is to help

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you thrive and you're nine to five
and beyond. And I can do that

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because I've been a recruiter for over
seven years. I know what I'm talking

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about. I've been in the BBC, on radio, on TV, careers

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and lifestyle. That's what I do. My goal is to make your life

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better, simple, point bank period, while making it fun. And speaking

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of fun, today we are going
to talk about how to get your dream

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job or maybe transition into your dream
job with no experience. Yeah, you

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heard it here first, because it
is possible. You want to know how.

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I know because I have done it. So this is everything that I've

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done, everything you're going to do, and it's not going to feel overwhelming.

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But before we jump in, I
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this episode, I'm going to be
answering your questions. Yeah, these are

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your questions that you sent in using
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very soon. So let's get into
it. Okay, First things first,

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if you're not entirely sure what you
want your dream job to be or what

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your dream career looks like, I
actually have an entire YouTube, video and

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podcast episode on that, so check
that out. Because if you're listening to

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this and you're like, yeah,
I want to transition careers, but I

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don't know what my dream job is, that's kind of step one. This

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episode is intended for people who know
what that next job is and they're just

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trying to figure out how to get
there. So if you do need help

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figuring out what the dream job is, I have lots of content on that.

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Okay, So once you have to
find what your ideal job looks like,

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you need to get pretty honest,
realistic with yourself about what skills you

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do and don't have. In my
opinion, the easiest way to do this

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is to look up the job descriptions
for the roles you're interested in. I'm

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just going to use myself as an
example because it's easier if I'm honest with

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you. So I would have looked
up the keyword senior recruiter. I would

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have done that on LinkedIn or on
Indeed, and then I would have pulled

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up three or four job descriptions for
that role, and then from there I

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would pull apart the qualifications and the
responsibilities. So what does this person do

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in their job and what skills are
they looking for? And I would basically

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compare across those few job descriptions and
see what's the same. So what are

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themes? For example, if I'm
applying for a tech recruiter role, yeah,

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those skills are going to be different
than a sales recruiter position. So

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I basically was just very real with
myself about what job I wanted and what

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specific skills were really going to matter. And from there I made a mini

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list. So I picked four or
five of the most repeated skills and repeated

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qualifications and put them into a document
for a senior recruiter. That's probably two

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or three years of recruiting experience.
It's data and analytic skills and knowledge of

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sales software and the sales life cycle
if you're recruiting for sales. So when

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I started looking for work, probably
about three and a half years ago,

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when I was transitioning out of finance
into the tech recruiting space, I looked

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at my list and realized I had
a pretty sizable gap on the technology front.

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So I was not very knowledgeable about
different technologies. If you would have

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asked me to recruit an engineer,
I probably could not have done that.

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So that was my first bit gap. The next was at the strategic level.

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Every single job description I read called
out having experience in strategy and talent

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strategy, and ultimately I did not
really have it at the level these jobs

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wanted. So those were my two
biggest gaps. I basically need you to

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identify what your biggest gaps are because
our goal is going to be closing that

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gap while also being strategic about your
job search, so focusing on your skills

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gaps. There are a couple of
ways that you can close those. The

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first is the most obvious and in
my opinion, probably like the least necessary,

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which is going back to school.
Yes, I could have taken a

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course on how to be a tech
recruiter. I don't want to do that.

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I don't want to spend money.
I don't want to spend my Saturday

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night figuring out how to transition jobs
that just was not in the cards for

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me. However, if you do
want to do that, love that for

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you. But I do want to
call out. Most companies care a lot

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more about your experience and a lot
less about your academic experience. So I

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would actually focus on getting hands on
experience. And here's how I did this.

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In the job that I was currently
in. I told my manager,

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Hey, my goal is to get
into tech recruiting. Can you give me

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projects that will help me get there? And she was amazing, so she

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said yes, she gave me projects. She gave me things to work on

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that we're all aligned to tech recruiting. So I got closer to understanding what

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the different tech stacks were. I
could understand what frontend was versus what back

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end was. I basically got exposure
to the things that I needed so I

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could put it on my resume.
Maybe that I'm not an expert, but

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I did use the words have had
exposure to engineering recruiting or to the engineering

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life cycle, and that makes a
difference. So tip Number one, figure

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out how you can gain experience without
having to leave your position, so that

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when you are ready to leave,
you've actually got the skills listed on the

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profile ready to go. Another thing
that you can do is actually connect with

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people in a mentorship capacity. So
I would highly recommend go on LinkedIn,

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look at people who are currently doing
your dream job and have a conversation with

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them about how they learned those skills, because there might be a specific YouTube,

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video, or course or something that
they did that really really helped set

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them up for success in that role. But ultimately, the only way you're

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going to make a transition into your
dream job, especially if you have a

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skills gap, is by trying to
close those gaps with hands on experience.

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Whether that's volunteer you taking on more
work in your nine to five job,

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or potentially going back to school.
You basically want to make sure you have

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the relevant skills listed on your resume
so you are in fact a viable candidate.

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And on the note of networking,
I cannot stress enough how important it

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is for you to have a network
that is constantly advocating for you, especially

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when you're trying to get a new
job or your first job. Basically,

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when you don't have experience, you
have two things working for you, your

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ability to learn and your network.
And I think your network is one of

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the best ways to help you get
a referral because almost eighty percent of positions

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are filled by referrals. That's a
banana's number. And I know it's not

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the first time you've heard this.
I talk about it all the freaking time.

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You know why, because it's important. So I want you to connect

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with people who are currently in your
dream job and don't even ask for a

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referral yet. No, no,
no, You're going to reach out on

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LinkedIn. You're going to ask for
a thirty minute career conversation where you're just

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going to make the goal of this
chat to learn more about their career,

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how they've grown, how they got
there. It's awesome learning for you,

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and that's also how you build relationships. After that conversation, you can either

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say it at the end or send
it an email. You're going to say

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thank you so much for your time. By the way, I am actively

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recruiting for roles, So if you
see anything that's a fit, I'd love

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to know. Aka, girl,
are you going to give me a referral

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to my dream job. Can you
please do that for me? Chances are

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they had a good conversation with you. The answer is going to be yes.

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So just make sure you're proactively building
your network so you get referrals answer

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that you can learn what some of
the cool, cool goodness. I was

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going to say tools or sources that
you might need in order to bridge that

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skills gap that you've preidentified, But
honestly, even the fact that you've identified

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your skills gap is going to help
you so much because it shows that you

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are proactive. It shows that you're
thinking about it, and all of the

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teams you connect with or the mentors
you connect with are really going to say,

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like, Wow, you're taking this
seriously because of that. Ah,

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you ready, it's Questions of the
Week time. We are definitely going to

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answer some questions on career transitions,
which I think will add even more color

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to what we've already discussed. But
yeah, if you still have questions or

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need more info, click the link
in the description of this to send me

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your questions so I can answer it
on next week's episode. Okay, my

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friend said, do tech consulting companies
let you make lateral switches between departments.

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I've networked with managers and with senior
leadership on different teams and they say it

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will happen around the one year mark. But honestly, I'm having a hard

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time believing that any advice would be
helpful. First of all, my friend,

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thank you for sending that in,
and you are for sure doing the

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right thing by having those conversations.
Being the person who's comfortable asking for help,

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asking for different opinions like that is
the person we want to be,

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So kudos to you on that.
Here's what I'll say. A lot of

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people are going to tell you the
promotion is coming, or that the new

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job is coming. Do you know
how many times I've been promised a job

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that never ever, ever, ever
was going to happen for me. No,

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not at the company I'm currently working
at, but I've seen it in

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the past, so I always take
what companies say with a grain of salt.

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Here's what I will say, though, if you have multiple people telling

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you that yes, it is possible
around the one year mark, that's usually

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a good sign because that means all
different levels of leadership are on the same

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page, which does lead me to
believe that that does sound pretty legit.

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Usually if that's a little bit like
fuzzy, maybe that's not what's happening.

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I just hit my face on my
microphone. I hope you couldn't hear that,

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But in any case, if you
did, it was, you know,

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just me giving you a virtual hug. But usually if a company is

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being sketchy, you'll have one person
say one thing and another person say another.

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Doesn't sound like that's the case here, so I do think that's a

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positive. Plus. Moving departments after
about a year is pretty standard. I

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would say most companies tend to be
like a year and a half to two

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years. But here's what I would
say, if you're happy in your job

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right now and it's you know,
a good enough job for right now,

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start bringing it up again at like
the ten or eleven month mark and see

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how quickly they're willing to move.
If they start saying things like, yeah,

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we'll talk about it in a few
months. Yeah, you know,

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we're going to start thinking about it
later. A little questionable. You said

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we were gonna work around this at
the twelve month mark. We're at the

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twelve month mark, and suddenly we're
going to talk about it. In another

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five months. So that's my immediate
reaction to that. Do I think it's

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a huge red flag? Definitely not, But I do think we want to

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be mindful of just what we're dealing
with here. Dear Emily, I'm a

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recent grad in HR with no internship
or work history. I've worked in retail

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in twenty nineteen, but nothing else
from twenty twenty to twenty twenty three.

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What can I do to get into
the HR industry? It seems they all

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want five or more years of experience. Oh, I feel you. It's

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like that meme where there's the baby
going to work and the caption is something

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like when companies say they want you
to have thirty years of experience by fifteen.

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Like, that's literally the vibe.
Here's what I'll say. Number one,

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even if you think you are underqualified
for jobs, still apply to them.

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Most companies that list three to five
years of experience on their entry level

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jobs are actually willing to hire someone
who is much more junior than that.

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I would actually argued not to pay
attention at all to the years of experience

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tab on job descriptions, especially if
they are for entry levels. Focus on

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the work and focus on the title. Do not avoid applying for positions just

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because you think you're too junior,
especially if you are someone who identifies as

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a woman or as a member of
the BIPOP community. We typically are not

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applying for positions unless we think we
meet over eighty percent of the qualifications.

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And that's kind of scary because guess
what, no candidate is perfect and very

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few people are actually going to meet
that, so still apply. Here's what

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I would do, though, redefine
that experience. Okay, so maybe you

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do need a couple of years of
experience. You studied it, that counts

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as experience. You had school projects
that counts as experience. So really sell

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your experience in your academics. On
your resume, maybe you call out and

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actually have it listed two really important
projects that you did, what the role

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was, what the outcome was,
and really focus on that when you are

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looking for jobs. Focus on entry
level positions like HR analyst, HR coordinator,

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maybe it's a recruitment coordinator. Those
are the type that I think will

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really align you to the right role. And if those are the titles,

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don't worry about what the years of
experience is because sometimes companies just put that

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on there and they don't even read
the job descriptions that they post. If

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I'm being honest with you, I
love this question. Can a school drop

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out be successful in life? What's
your opinion on this? Oh, my

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friend, Yeah, absolutely, you
can. Let me tell you a little

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something. In fact, I would
highly recommend you listen to my podcast episode

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with my dad because he's somebody whose
life did not revolve around academics. In

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fact, he dropped out of college, and my dad is a very successful

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business person now. So I would
really recommend listening to that if you feel

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like you need just some like inspiration
or understanding what career can look like.

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Let me tell you something. The
world has conditioned us to think that success

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is defined by where you went to
school, what your GPA was, how

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much money you make. That's not
what success is. That's what the world

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tells us success is. I also
think that school is not for everybody.

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That's kind of okay. In fact, I'd argue that's a really good thing.

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School basically forces us to all think
the same, to all act the

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same, to all want the exact
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Sometimes some of us learn better in
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more or less intelligent. The school
system basically punishes us for not all behaving

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and needing the same things to be
successful, which is a whole other podcast

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episode that could. I could go
crazy on this because I think school as

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a concept is bananas how it's structured
today. But that's me derailing. I'm

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totally derailing. My short answer is
yeah, absolutely, you can be successful.

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I think the most important thing is
for you to define what does success

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look like for you? What is
your dream career or your dream path,

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and how do you plan on getting
there? Because you can and you will

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do it. You don't need academics
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to be a lawyer or to be
like the VP of human resources, academics

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might be important. You know,
you might need to go back to school.

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Just because the decision right now is
to not continue with academics doesn't mean

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it won't be in your future.
But if it's not something you're open to

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or passionate about, think of the
different careers that you can tackle without a

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formal degree. Maybe you start your
own business. There are so many different

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avenues for you. Success is not
linear. It's going to be exactly what

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you want it to be, and
I know you're going to be fantastic whatever

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that looks like for you, my
wonderful friends. I had so much fun

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recording this episode. I love topics
like this because I think they really are

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tangible, like you can make notes, you can take it away, you

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can figure it out. I'm totally
stumbling over my words because I've been recording

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episodes all afternoon and my brain is
mashed potatoes. It's mashed potatoes right now.

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I've got no brain right now,
Like I'm just I'm burping. I'm

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not gonna lie to you. I'm
burped because I had a nice coffee.

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Like a lot is happening behind this
microphone, you know, And that's okay,

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that's life sometimes that's just how it
goes. I'm actually back at my

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parents place. Take a shot.
Every single time I say that, I

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record so many podcast episodes at my
parents' place. I actually bought a second

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mike to stay at my parents' place
because I'm here probably like once every couple

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of months, and for whatever reason, every time i'm here, I feel

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inspired to record podcast episodes. I
don't know what it is. I think,

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actually, yes, I do.
I think it's because when I initially

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started this podcast, I started it
when I still lived at home, so

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I literally started it with a plugin
microphone in my childhood bedroom, and when

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I'm here, I stay in my
childhood bedroom. Granted I've got a much

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more fancy like setup now, but
it's kind of crazy. So I think

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when I'm back here, I'm like, oh, I just want to do

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the podcast anyways, Like what a
random derail that that just happened. But

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I really do hope this episode was
helpful. Again, if you want your

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questions answered, you know where to
find me. Click that link in my

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description. And if you want more
content, I actually have a whole YouTube

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channel, like a entire YouTube channel
dedicated to this, so definitely check that

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out. Let me know if you
do have any questions. Thank you so

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much and I will talk to you
in my next episode. M