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Take me back to the place sign
know, with the Mystery Shack and the

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forest gnomes. I'm already back,
so come on, let's go. Don't

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get me started. My heart's in
gravity Falls. Welcome to Mystery Shack,

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look back, a nostalgic time capsule
and no spoiler book club and also just

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like a regular book club, I
guess given the lineup for these last three

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episodes, well, whatever it is, it's about the original Gravity Falls fandom,

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and we are your curators. I'm
Ella, I'm Charlie, I'm Shelby.

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And what who is that the author
of the journal, rob Renzetti?

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Oh my gosh, it is rober
and Zetti. Yes, is this the

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part of one of us faints?
I'm walking out of the shadows so you

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can see me more clearly. Yeah, can you take off that scarf and

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those goggles just so we could see? Yes, But then all that will

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be left is my shining dome,
so watch out. You may be blinded.

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Did you do that in a way
that's very like in an animated in

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House by Dana Terris kind of way. That's the only way I do it.

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I'm a snob. Yeah, it's
the only way to do it so

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by you know, by saying the
journal, we are of course referring to

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the real life Journal three, the
the canon Gravity Falls Journal three that was

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released by Disney Press. But before
we get to that, Rob, this

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is your second time on this podcast
as a guest, sort of, Yeah,

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you did. We we interviewed you
about Dipper and Mabel's Guide. Second

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and a half, I'll go that
second and a half. This is the

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point of the podcast where you exceeded
two visits. Yes, oh, yeah,

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that's true. Yeah, yeah,
you have enough credits to graduate.

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Rob. Oh, well you have
an excess honestly with that extra hat.

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Yeah, so you took kind of
a partial semester in Dipper in Mabel's Guide.

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But here, Yeah, you're you're
no longer a guest and this audio

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based museum. You are a docent
and tours of the museum. Well will

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be a docent after a brief graduation
coronation. Are you ready for that?

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Rob? Sure? All right,
raise your right hand and place your left

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hand on this copy of Gravity Falls
Journal three, the book you wrote.

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Yeah, repeat after me, repeat
after me. I am going to repeat

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after me, repeat after me.
They Yeah, I state your name,

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I state your name parentheses. Rober
and Eddie do solemnly swear to uphold.

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Do solemnly swear to uphold the duties
of a mystery shack look back docent.

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The duties of a mystery shack look
back docent. To preserve the history,

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To preserve the history, and protect
the mystery, and protect the mystery of

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the Gravity falls fandom of the Gravity. To fit the Hall of Conspiracies with

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conspiracy proof glass. To fit the
Hall of Conspiracies with conspiracy proof glass,

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so the conspiracies don't escape, So
that the conspiracies don't escape. Not again,

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not again. I can't let that
happen again. I can't let that

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happen again. I am still haunted
by what they did to Kyle Carosa.

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I'm still haunted by what they did
to Kyle Carosa. I'm sorry. That

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should have been more dramatic. Creader, I'm sorry, Kyle. I won't

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fail you again. I'm sorry,
Kyle, I won't fail you again.

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And I promise, and I promise
to send Ella, Charlie and Shelby an

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advance copy of a Horrible Bag of
Terrible Things so we can release the podcast

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interview about it on launch day to
send Charlie, Ella and Shelby an advance

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copy of The Horrible Bag of Terrible
Things if my publisher will allow me.

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Well, that's legally binding, totally
I could probably swing that. So Rob,

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you auditioned for the role of Stanford
Ford pin correct, Not officially,

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No, I was. I did
the voice when we would do our table

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reads before he was ever cast,
and I would have loved to have been

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cast as Ford, but my version
of Ford was probably uh, I think

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I do better stand honestly, and
that role was already. This is controversial.

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You're my favorite Stan Oh my god, don't let the original hear that.

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So what drew you to the character
of Ford? Why? Why did

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you want to read him in the
table reads and potentially get cast as him?

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I mean the stereotypically, I was
the you know, nerdy scientist brother

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if you wanted to think of Alex
and I's brothers in journals and then well,

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yeah, I mean, you know, I you know, I like

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I like that kind of nerdy character, all going all the way back to

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Dexter, when you know I was
working with Gandy on Dexter's Labs. So

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yeah, you know, I've always
had a real yen for science fiction and

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all that kind of stuff. So, yeah, of course it shows through

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in teenage Robot obviously, Yeah of
course. Yeah. I mean, you

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know, we've been doing circling the
same kind of genre as my whole career,

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when you know, kind of not
so much fantasy, but fantastical stuff

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with monsters in sci fi and the
combination combinations thereof. So and the Horrible

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Bag of Terrible Things is very much
in the same vein of stuff. Awesome,

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I'm so excited. Sounds amazing.
So in the commentary for Weird Maget

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in three, Alex states that the
original line was I said, between you

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and me, I'm not always the
bad twin, and then Ford said between

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you and I, and then Rob
Rinzetti here said that's wrong grammar. Yeah,

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we had to reverse it, right, Yeah, between you and I

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is and correct Well, there's a
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Rob. Well, you know again, what can I say? I am

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the man who, once I get
very comfortable with you, has a hard

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time not corrected you if you're doing
something inaccurate as it's out of love.

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My yes, but as my wife
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not really my catchphrase but she will
say sometimes accuracy over tacked. Was any

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of that a factor in determining that
you would be the one co writing Journal

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three with Alex Hirsch considering it's written
as Ford and you were called the real

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World for Yeah, I mean,
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a consideration. I mean what really
got me the job was co writing dipper

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Enables Guide to Mystery NonStop Fun,
which came before the Journals, and all

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four of us are in the podcast
episode about that, if you'd like to

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backtrack, And yeah, I mean
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who's one of the co creators of
Greens Bisy Greens. And Alex was pleased

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with it, you know, so
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and you know, as with everything
gravity Falls related, he took his

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pass at it once it was written
and changed some things, but he didn't

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change much, so I think he
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him write the journal, And yeah, I obviously wanted to do it and

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made that quite clear to everybody on
the show, and being a producer on

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the show, I had a little
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you know, Disney Publishing would wouldn't
have given me the job, as well

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as if they didn't think I'd done
a good job on the first book,

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So that all contributed to it.
Before recording that podcast, the three of

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us would meet every night and attempt
to do every activity in it, and

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it was an absolute blast. It
was, but that is more in the

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vein of activity books. Yes,
yes, and it's if I might say,

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I think it's the best activity book
that Disney ever put. I agree.

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I've actually recommended it to a few
of my like my theater friends who

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have kids getting into gravity falls.
I'm like, you need to get this

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book because it's got a cipher wheel. They can actually solve the ciphers throughout

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the show and it's so much fun. Yeah, Like, I think I've

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had three parents come to me in
the past month and I've recommended it.

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That's amazing, And like you know, we gushed about it plenty in our

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co sponding episode. But it's just
a perfect encapsulation of the silly side of

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the show and the mystery side of
the show. As the title implies.

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Yeah, I mean that that was
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I'm I'm very proud of that book
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the codes in something. That's one
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we should have a section on codes. It feels necessary. Yeah, Alex

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was the code master in the show. I didn't come up with any of

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the stuff in the show. He's
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did all the codes them as well. But yeah, god, I did

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say we should be teaching kids about
this stuff. We should have a section

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that teaches them about codes. That's
like the perfect like training Wheels book for

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Gravity Falls Journal three, which is
the official real life canon adaptation of the

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in show Journal number three. This
book was released on July twenty sixth,

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twenty sixteen, or the twenty seventh, depending on who you ask. But

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I like the twenty six because that
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Curse of the Time Pirates Treasure,
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that duo format, they're like twins. Yeah, they rhyme. This book

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was written by one Rob Rinsetti and
another Alex Hirsch that I don't know who

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they are. I've never met either
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to all this time. Bobby that's
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and Stephanie Ramirez. You had mentioned
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Dippers and Maple's Guide to Mystery and
Nonstep Fun. What would you how would

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you describe the design philosophy of Gravity
Falls Journal three? Well, I guess

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it was the design philosophy or the
or the the mandate was really like the

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journal in the show. Plus yes, which was which meant like, if

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you were going to take the simplest
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be a monster manual, right,
dnd's Monster Manual. Yeah, this is

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a combination of D and D's Monster
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But also it is a novelization of
Gravity Falls in a lot of ways,

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like it caps the story wonderfully.
It is kind of like both a

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prequel, a recap, and a
sequel to the show, and that it

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recaps the story in a way that
you should never read if you haven't watched

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the show. You immediately Yes,
it definitely is meant to be read after

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you've watched the show. That's interesting
that it does function as all three,

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that it's a prequel. It's revealing
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but also kind of what comes after
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way, kind of kind of in
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the Yeah. Yeah, Basically,
what we want to do was just kind

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of like give more to the audience
stuff that we had come up with that

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we can never use or just didn't
find a place fortely, the things that

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we just didn't have room for,
like you know Ford in Fiddleford's relationship.

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chance to be explored in the show. And in the show Gravity Falls,

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Ford is not revealed until three quarters
through the series. But we had had

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pieces, We had had little nuggets
hinting that whatever backstory happened with Stan is

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relevant to what is happening now.
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actually going into the backstory and seeing
the events that we had only seen the

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echoes of in the show proper yea, And before the official title of this

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book was revealed, it was originally
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Gravity Falls Revealed panel at New York
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sure if Ford saw that title look
at it, Dippers Journal. And there

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were also these really cool promo cards
for the book that were just beat it

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around and they had a cryptogram on
it in Caesar cipher a shooting star may

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fall, cracks are hidden in the
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have like like two of these cards, and I think one of them they

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have like different pages on the back, like one of them's got the gnome

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page, et cetera. I thought
they were really cool. I think that

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was a really cool way of teasing
it and just getting people really excited for

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it, because that was like almost
a year before it came out, but

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people were already getting hype for it. Yeah, we were working on it

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for quite a while. Yeah,
when did that start in the show's timeline?

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How long? Yeah? Well,
I was looking at some notes that

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I have and they were dated July
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it before that. What I was
looking at today to just refresh my memory

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about the process a little bit was
like our proposal back to Disney Publishing,

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like this is what we want the
book to be, and a little bit

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about like it's going to have these
three sections. It's going to be it's

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going to be forward writing the journal
pages did the journal as you know,

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as the author, him disappearing,
Dipper taking over, and then him coming

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back, and then kind of pro
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things were our proposals, but we
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or two before that. Interesting,
I know that, like Alex has mentioned

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in almost almost every interview, every
time Disney says what do you want to

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make for Gravity Falls Merch, his
immediate answer was always the journal. Were

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there other renditions of this that were
floating around prior to when you guys started

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working on this, I call them
rinsette editions? No, no, no,

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I think Disney Publishing was a little
bit skittish at first. They Dipper

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Mabel's Guide was kind of like the
testing ground. I think. I don't

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know, I'm not privated their discussions
within their own division, but I know

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that that was they thought that was
more of a sure beat to begin with,

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and that's why we did it.
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point had been adaptations of episodes just
in like form, and those are great,

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but it's definitely not like the ambition
of we're going to recreate the journal

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that you see in the show,
and it does seem like the obvious thing

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that any fan would want, Yeah, which for sure I think is probably

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why I doubt you were involved in
this. But the very first DVD that

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they released for Gravity Falls was just
was a collection of the first six episodes.

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It was called six Strange Tales,
and inside the DVD was a small

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you know, it's the size of
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It's like a little pamphlet. It's
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we had seen in the show at
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that was not like a crew thing
that was more like Disney marketing? Yeah,

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I think I think they did that. Alex probably saw it because he

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saw almost everything, but I never
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a version of it, and it
was it was really cool. Yeah,

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it was definitely really cool, and
it certainly U in the days before this

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came out, and I'm sure I
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you know, every third fan was
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of their being an official one.
Yeah, I did favorite. Oh yeah,

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I did all of mine from scratch. So my book is not only

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like it's not a sketch book.
I didn't start with a base. I

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actually like aged my pages and sewed
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had were blurry screenshots. I know
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the series. I know there was
about seventy five pages released, but at

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the time that I started working on
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two premiere, I think there was
only like maybe like twenty pages that I

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could find. Oh yeah, that's
not much. Yeah, so like all

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of my pages are like I learned
how to write cursive so I could make

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this and it's just me talking about
like Twilight and Charmed in like cursive that

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nobody else can read. It's really
some stuff that makes me laugh. I

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love that. I love like putting
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journal, and in twenty seventeen,
briefly after it was released, I was

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working at an aftercare program at an
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right in their journals in the blank
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or naturally that is great. Oh, I love that. I've never heard

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that for us. The for us, blank pink ted pages were just a

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way to get to the number of
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reach. I mean, yeah,
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blank pages. I think they helped
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know, for it has disappeared.
I think it's a good pacing. Oh

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he's gone. Of course I gave
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answer was like, it's a bit
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know, transitioning from Ford to Dipper
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the first release was bound not with
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if temperature's got too high. I
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I heard a lot of people of
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of attention into every page and had
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is actually one of the blank pages
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scanner. That is the base of
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Yeah, I'm so sorry that happened, you shall It's okay. I

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have the limited edition one, so
I'm okay. Now, good for you,

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as do I and it is gorgeous. Good for you, guys.

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I was the only one here who
was not living with their parents in twenty

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seventeen, So I'm like, I
can't drop one hundred and fifty dollars.

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Understood. On Amazon, it like
lowered the price if it went on sale

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at any point, so we got
the lowest possible price. So it was

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probably only like fifty or sixty dollars. So yeah. On June thirteenth,

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which is my birthday, twenty seventeen, there was a limited series of ten

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thousand special edition journals featuring a leather
texture cover with metallic clasps, real tassel,

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bookmark, monocle, slash, magnifying
glass like the one that's attached to

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the journal in the show, Removable
photos and notes, glossy photos. I

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love paper hat. Oh yeah,
you could take out Mabel's paper hat that

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she makes Interrational Treasure or no,
you could take out the parchment that she

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makes into the hat. And but
the fact that like everything is so texture

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it makes me so happy. It's
so fun to just like feel with your

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fingers. Like it's so weird,
but it's it's really it's a beautiful peace.

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In text adventures and pointing click adventures, they would call those feelies.

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Yes, yes, oh yeah,
that makes it. I feel like you

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could get the game and feelies.
It is full of feelies. I really

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love that the black light has a
texture, like I like just feeling that

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I have. I mean, I
don't have a blackling. I haven't tried

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it with a proper black light,
but I know that it works just as

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well as a as glow in the
dark. You expose it to light for

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a while and then you turn the
lights off and it glows. Yeah,

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I have not I can't verify how
it works with an actual black light.

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It works awesome. Each copy of
the Journal three Special Edition is individually signed

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initials by Alex Hirsh. I feel
very lucky to hold one in my hands

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because, particularly because it is such
a wonderful tactile experience for my fingers.

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The feelies, the families exactly they
and it gives me the feelies. Alex

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left a letter in the special edition
that says, hello reader, If you're

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seeing this message. That means you're
one of the lucky few who managed to

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get your hands on a copy of
Journal three Special Edition. Only ten thousand

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of these rare books currently exist on
Earth, and I personally own forty eight

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of them. I made them into
a little fort. Don't judge me.

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This book is the most show accurate
version of Journal three that exists, a

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hard bound treasure trove of secrets,
monsters, and mysteries from the sleepy town

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of Gravity Falls. It comes with
a monocle so you can look closer than

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ever at the conspiracies inside, and
each copy is signed by me. You

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can still smell the marker fumes,
which was kind of true at the time.

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Best of all, legend has it
that if you expose this book to

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a black light, brand new secrets
will be revealed. Are the legends true?

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Put on your dipper hat, because
it's time to find out. The

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answers are somewhere in the woods waiting
your pal Alex Hirsch. And the twist

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was that in twenty eighteen, Alex
Hirsch revealed that there was one more copy

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of the Journal three Special Edition in
a existence, bringing the total number of

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copies ever made to ten thousand and
one. This was a one off test

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print that was never meant for sale. It contained possible typos. It was

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given away by Alex on a charity
stream a few days later. It is

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unknown who won it. Rob.
How involved were you in the special edition

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specifically, not specifically at all?
Roll? Did you know that you are

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aware that you are in the special
Ye? Are yes? I'm one of

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the g are the Grim Reapers.
If you hold the black light up to

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the Grim Reaper you can see under
his robes Rob Ronzetti in his underwear classic

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heart pattern cartoon boxers. Of course, that was a surprise to me as

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everybody as it was to everybody else. I was involved in the black light

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planning in the show, so you
know you could say that I was involved

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in that. Yeah, you directed
the episode and I was involved in all

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that. But when it came to
doing that edition, Disney didn't want to

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pay me. Again, I was
left in hersh's hands. You didn't even

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learn you were the Grim Reaper until
the rest of the world. I learned

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it when I learned when I when
I turned the page and put my black

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light on that image. How did
you react to that? I loved it.

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Are you kidding it? Didn't you
pick up the phone and just say,

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Alex, your time has come?
No, I guess it tracks actually

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considering Alex was, you know,
pretty much always the code guy. He

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would write all of the sacret codes
and the black Light is pretty much exclusively

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just little secret nuggets of information.
I'm remembering now that I think he did

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run me. He like sent me
a word document kind of running running me

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through the ideas he had for it
at one point, and I gave him,

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Yeah, it gave him some feedback, but it was, you know,

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he kind of had a lock on
it. I said, this all

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sounds good to me, and I
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two things, but that was that
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And you know, and I and
I got copies of the of the special

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Journal. Have you made yours into
a little for everyone here has a copy

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of the special Edition except Charlie.
Yeah. For Charlie, we just have

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to film you, like like with
Sarah MacLachlan in the background, you have

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to look very sad mugg at the
camera. People. Are we thinking the

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standard arms of an angel? Or
do we want to go when somebody loved

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me, just for our own little
for our own personal tastes. Yeah,

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we gotta play that. We're gonna
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Okay. Yeah. For just pennies
a day, you can bring this Gravity

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Falls Fan the joy of the special
edition Journal three donate Now. I did

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look online. There are going for
like three to four thousand dollars at this

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point. For just three to four
thousand dollars, you two can bring them

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for just three to four thousand dollars
a day. Please help us. One

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funny thing I always thought about because
of blank pages leading into Dipper writing is

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that Dipper begins writing in Journal three
at the very end of a season one

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episode one, and then discovers the
black Light in season two episode one,

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and entire you know, twenty episodes
later. So I had always thought it

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would be funny if those weren't blank
pages. Ford wrote to rest An invisible

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Ink, and now it is unreadable
because Dipper has written a friend Nippers covered

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it. Yeah, that would be
very funny. But one thing I am

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curious about something that is always fascinating
to me when I see something has two

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credited writers. Were you in the
same room brainstorming it or was it like

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you would hand each other pages and
be like, I finished this. Can

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you see if you could put rewrites
on it? What was the distribution of

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labor between you and Alex to get
this book written? We would have talks

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with ourselves, between the two of
us, and then also with Disney Publishing,

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brainstorming on ideas and the once for
the book, and then I would

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I would take it upon myself and
I would write up a summary of what

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we thought, and then we presented
eventually presented an outline of the book to

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Disney Publishing, which I also wrote
up. Wow, And then I started

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on the I started on the journal. I started. I started writing my

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portions of the journal before Alex did. But the first thing I did.

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Let me backtart to this a minute. So the initial the initial creative work

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on it was starting as the show
was ramping down, So even though I

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had stuff to do, Alex was
much more swamp than I was. One

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of the reasons I jumped on it
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I had the time to do.
That makes sense. But also the first

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thing I did, going back to
Shelby screen grabs is I also started with

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screen graps. I basically went through
the whole series and screen grabbed every time

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the Journal was on screen and every
page that appeared in every instance of it

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being on screen. So when Dipper
opens it and starts flipping through it in

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episode one, I screen grabbed every
brodows How long did all of that take?

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That took a while? Wow.
I printed those all out and I

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put them up on a bulletin board, so I had every instance of the

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journal. I had every instance of
what the sections of the book look like,

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what the pages were, what the
page orders were, and quickly discovered

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that we were incredibly inconsistent. Yeah. Yeah, sometimes sometimes the you know,

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the floating eyeball page, you know, the pages moved around the book,

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the zombie page moved around the book, the nome page. Well,

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that's a defense mechanism obviously that Ford
had developed. Yeah, yeah, the

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moving pages defense mechanism. We quickly
came to the conclusion that there was no

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way we could replicate what we'd done
in the show because we had done things

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accurately. It's it's way easier to
start with a real book and then put

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the real book into a TV show, then make a fictional book real.

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I was legit going to ask,
like the seventy five or so ish pages

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that were released in the show,
like was there actual writing there or is

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that all stuff you had to create
from scratch once you had well there,

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there was actual writing in the book, but it was combined with scribbles.

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So on the Trust No One page, right, Trust No One is clearly

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written there, but there's other things
on that page that are scribbles or symbols

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or whatever, so you had to
fill in. Yeah, well we had

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so what we What we decided was
like the fans have accepted that the journal

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is inconsistent in the show, so
we're gonna do what makes sense to us,

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and we're going to put these things
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The one thing that I thought was
really important is that that the first few

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pages matched the way we opened the
book in episode one, Oh yeah Yes,

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with the with the ripped off property
of page and the ripped off property

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of the floating eyeballs, the door
page, the weird the door pages,

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the nome page being super early yes
against Sister Bam yeah so, and then

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the yeah and then the zombie page
had to be somewhere in the middle so

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yeah, we kind of I took
all the pages we had. I kind

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of the Graham Lablin page had to
cut off at use water only as a

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last rear makes so much scarier.
And I was the one to figure out

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how to make that work. I
did those pages and figured out how to

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make that into something that would be
fun, in coherent. But that was

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the challenge of the book was basically, what do we have, what do

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we have to stick to? What
can we fudge? And I quick I

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kind of came up with the I
did all that work, which Alex was

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basically said, you were insane and
a genius. Thank you for doing this.

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You wouldn't have it any other way. And uh, and we went

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forward from there and I, you
know, and I kind of came up

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with a plan, like knowing what
we wanted to do with each part of

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the journal. He said, sir, you are a raging psychopath and don't

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let this town take them. So
yeah, so then we kind of decided,

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like, well, what's the story
we want to tell besides the monster

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was what's the story we're telling?
There's such a clear through line and arc

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in this book. It does tell
a story really like it is mostly a

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journal and a compendium, but there's
an underlying story, and it starts like

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right on the second page, is
talking about I want to find the unified

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theory of weirdness. I want to
know why all of this happens. And

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that is the through line at least
for the first section or so, and

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then it becomes about Hubris, it
becomes about Ford's character. Yeah, that

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was our idea. That was you
know, that was something that was very

409
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important to Alex and something he definitely
wanted to do was to put and so

410
00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:37.240
did I. But like you know, Alex is the driving force of all

411
00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:38.039
this stuff, so he was like, if he wanted to do it,

412
00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:41.680
it was going to get done.
So we came up with that story.

413
00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:44.079
We kind of came up with the
beats. We kind of came up We

414
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:48.000
kind of figured out what him in
Fiddleford's relationship was, how they were going

415
00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:52.000
to be different, how they were
going to be the same enough that they

416
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:56.079
became friends and collaborators, and how
that was going to fall apart. Oh

417
00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:59.519
yeah, and you know, and
then how Dipper was going to play into

418
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:03.920
things and kind become the new Fiddleford
to to forward all that kind of stuff.

419
00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:07.880
How Dipper had a similar kind of
similar character arc, but how he

420
00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:11.119
was different and yeah, and how
Ford has a relationship with Dipper that becomes

421
00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:15.359
healthier than anyone he's ever had.
Yeah, and it helps and helps him

422
00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:21.039
he comes to healthy. He's still
well Yeah, still girl. I mean

423
00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:25.160
honestly, much like in the show, Uh, you know, Stan is

424
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:29.000
really the key to everything, and
stand sacrifice in the show is what really

425
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:34.000
really brings forward, you know,
fully completes forwards. Yeah, that makes

426
00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:37.440
a lot of sense. That was
our that was our guide, and then

427
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:40.519
it was just kind of figuring out, well, how would how would these

428
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:42.079
if these pages are early? What
did? What can what can we add

429
00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:45.880
in? You know, a lot
of the pages are just as simple,

430
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:48.319
like I'm investigating stuff, and that
gave us license to be silly and fun.

431
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:52.000
And you know, when when when
we felt we needed to pay attention

432
00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:56.960
to the broader story, we could
add pages in that didn't exist, or

433
00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:59.680
we could put a little bit of
something on the pages that did exist when

434
00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:04.640
it's appropriate. Yeah, I just
finished rereading it right before we hopped in.

435
00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:10.160
I timed it that way on purpose, and honestly, I quite a

436
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:14.839
little rob It's a really gets fantastically
written book. It's beautiful, well,

437
00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:18.839
thank you, And was the character
arc stuff and that was also something you

438
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:22.039
wanted from the beginning or was that
something you discovered along the way as you

439
00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:23.599
realized, like, this can't just
be a monster manual. Yeah, we

440
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:26.400
I mean we did. We wanted
something more than that, you know,

441
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:32.160
similarly to how we wanted to kind
of up what the guide to books were

442
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:34.240
for Disney and make it, yeah, make it a better version of that.

443
00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:37.519
We wanted to make a better version
of the Journal. Everythink that shines

444
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:42.240
through in pretty much all Gravity Falls
projects is like taking it a step beyond

445
00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:48.599
what it normally is or normally could. Because with last Time we time we

446
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:52.960
were talking about Time Pirates Treasure that
Choose your own adventure book and it's you

447
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:56.960
know that has an arc, you
know that has like character work even in

448
00:31:57.160 --> 00:32:00.599
a place where you wouldn't expect to
find it, And I think that's also

449
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:04.200
true of Journal three. I love
that book only read as I didn't get

450
00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:08.000
to work on it, but both
at the same time. Yeah, yeah,

451
00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:12.680
Well, jeff and Alex did a
great job. Jeffrey Fresh that would

452
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:16.000
be the boss cat job and that
was perfect. It was a perfect project

453
00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:20.000
for him because he is a man
of a million ideas and he got to

454
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:22.240
explore them all. I was like
reading through it, I was like,

455
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:27.519
I don't think anybody except jeffro could
have written this book. Yeah, exactly,

456
00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:32.400
the most the most Jeff Row book
ever written, declared as we have

457
00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:38.599
through this podcast, had to go
through every episode and every bit of expanded

458
00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:44.079
Universe material. There's a lot of
times we've just noticed, why is there

459
00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:49.200
this much effort in this like exactly
exactly. The name was first revealed in

460
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:53.759
the browser game Rumbles Revenge on the
Disney Channel website, and it's like,

461
00:32:53.960 --> 00:33:00.000
why why would a flash game that
probably most people would not get their parents

462
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:05.880
permission to play? We're going online? You have to why would that have

463
00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:08.160
canon information in it? Why?
I mean why it's a rhetorical question or

464
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:10.279
not. But the answer is Alex
Hirsh. I mean, the answer is

465
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:15.200
that, yes, he was the
kind of kid that would appreciate that kind

466
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:19.160
of effort in the media he consumed
and he wanted to pass that along and

467
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:22.720
do all that. Alex Alex Hirsh
is the target demographic of gravity. So

468
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:28.960
the reason that Journal three goes above
and beyond in this way is because if

469
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:32.400
a child Alex Hirsch received a copy
of Journal three that did not go all

470
00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:37.200
out like this, he would be
disappointed. Exactly. Yeah, we are

471
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:40.839
trying to create the next generation of
Alex Hirsch's and you, oh boy,

472
00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:46.880
did you did you did? With
all of the projects that the three of

473
00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:51.960
us have have have done together,
we've probably met everyone in the fandom.

474
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:54.400
I would go as far to say, and yeah, yeah, you you

475
00:33:54.480 --> 00:34:00.480
created an army of dippers and hopefully
get better sleep. It really makes every

476
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:07.200
piece of Gravity Falls content feel like
cohesive, like feel not like oh you

477
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:10.400
have to or else your watch through
the show has no meaning like it's it

478
00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:15.119
is still like optional. You know, you get a complete story with just

479
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:17.840
the show. But it makes it's
worthwhile, you know, it's worth your

480
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:22.760
while to go off the beaten path
of Disney Plus to buy Guide to Mystery,

481
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:27.360
Nonstuff, Fun Time Pirates Journal three, to look up these games and

482
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:34.960
download the Flashpoint project, which is
exact Rumbles, Revenge, and Est exactly,

483
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:40.639
to get a three DS and well
maybe to type in Gravity Falls Shorts

484
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:45.519
into Disney Plus and pull up the
shorts, et cetera. I mean that

485
00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:49.239
was that was you know, obviously
that's the hope of anybody who creates anything

486
00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:52.679
that you'd want to consume, anything
involved absolutely contangentially with it. But I

487
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:57.480
mean, yeah, we wanted to
make sure that things were worthwhile and it

488
00:34:57.519 --> 00:35:00.840
all feels like it comes from the
same world for sure, and it does.

489
00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:04.159
Yeah, I mean, well,
because we have the same people doing

490
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:07.679
every same people exactly. And that's
also interesting. Is a lot when a

491
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:13.400
lot of shows get turned into novelization, it is not the staff of the

492
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:17.199
show writing it. It is just
someone the production company was just like,

493
00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:20.960
I don't know, grab this person. They write children's books. But right,

494
00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:27.199
it was, well, it was
you and Alex and Jeff and Shane.

495
00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:32.639
Yeah, and the well, the
marketing for Journal three, they definitely

496
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:39.000
went all out because back in March
March twenty fourth, twenty sixteen, Alex

497
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:45.639
tweeted that you can pre order Journal
number three now just steal your parents' credit

498
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:47.800
card. That's a joke. Don't
actually do that, kids, But he

499
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:55.039
also tweeted these testimonials from the Pines
family. Mabel says I bought two journals

500
00:35:55.039 --> 00:36:00.719
and forced them to make out.
Dipper says I bought ten and rolled around

501
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:06.280
in the pile. Ford Pine says, what they're selling my journal, even

502
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:10.000
the embarrassing parts. Don't you dare
look inside? GW Uncle Stan says,

503
00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:15.960
I bought twenty just to tick off
on it. Perhaps more famously, there

504
00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:22.119
was a Journal three infomercial using the
set that Alex talked about in our Cipher

505
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:28.239
Hunt episode, The Mystery Shack real
life live action set with Kristin Shawl.

506
00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:31.519
Now, I know you've heard of
book jack, but have you ever heard

507
00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:38.360
of book sweaters? To susay,
she's a good girl, she's got a

508
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:45.480
secret Jason Ritter, although he insists
that he's Dipper. Hi, I'm Dipper.

509
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:50.760
I mean I'm Jason Ritter. Dipper
is just a character? Is this

510
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:55.840
a character? Alex Hirsch? Alex
Hirsch starring as some weirdo buying like twenty

511
00:36:55.920 --> 00:37:00.199
of the of the book Kristin,
What kind of creep is ever gonna buy

512
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:05.880
one of those? We'll take ten? The world is filled with grapes.

513
00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:10.159
That's what I'm thinking. That it's
true, it's really true, but it's

514
00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:16.280
also it's a It's a great little
little infomercial where Kristin Shawl is selling book

515
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:22.400
sweaters to put on your your your
journals, and it's the source of the

516
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:25.320
famous gravity Falls is Real and it
will Never die meme, which Jason has

517
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:30.119
effectively turned into his catchphrase and says
it every time he's on this podcast.

518
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:34.639
It's his ketch phrase. Love it. Every time I watch that, I

519
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:37.920
catch something new, Like the last
time I watched it, I caught that

520
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:43.280
he made the case the safe too
small for the journal. I measured it

521
00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:46.280
one hundred times. I literally measured
it one hundred times. Did you measure

522
00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:52.440
that many times? And that it
doesn't but I well, maybe you could

523
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:57.559
just chain it up for some reason. Yeah, so good, Oh my

524
00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:00.960
god. And it's great and there's
gravity Falls. Does these introversials a lot?

525
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:06.280
There was a whole little series of
like home Shopping Network little shorts with

526
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:08.679
the grunkle stand puppet on that same
set. I'm trying to get rid of

527
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:13.840
some of this junk, and I'm
passing the savings onto you. Get on

528
00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:17.719
the horn and buy one, would
you? Is anybody calling? We haven't

529
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:23.519
sold any Is anyone calling? Now? And those are really funny too.

530
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:28.159
But I guess all that advertising paid
off because it's it became a New York

531
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:31.880
Times bestseller. Congratulations Rob that was
incredible, Thank you, it was.

532
00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:36.880
We were very thrilled with the success
of it, for sure, the first

533
00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:40.760
of your New York Times bestseller's knock
on wood Less indeed, Let's hope was

534
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:47.400
that Also. Part of the motivation
of writing these books was getting into publishing,

535
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:52.519
getting you know, angling to see
that you have written children's books before.

536
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:53.719
Well, I mean, I don't
know if it was. I mean

537
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:58.119
I did want to, I did
want to go out branch into writing and

538
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:02.119
so, yeah, but I didn't
have any kind of clear path at the

539
00:39:02.119 --> 00:39:06.159
time I was writing this book.
I didn't have a story for my It

540
00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:08.320
was just a sort of a bucket
list sorted deal it was. I mean,

541
00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:12.800
I wanted to break into publishing eventually, I wanted to write original stuff,

542
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:15.039
but at the point I was reading
writing the two Gravity Falls books,

543
00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:20.800
I didn't have an original idea waiting
in the wings. I started working on

544
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:23.880
a Horrible Bag in my off hours
when I was working on Big Cedy Greens

545
00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:29.559
back in twenty eighteen. Yeah,
I wrote it kind of in the margins

546
00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:34.840
of my time for you know,
more than like close to two or three

547
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:38.280
years before I'm eventually ready to show
it to anybody. So the setup of

548
00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:44.639
this real life book is really interesting
to me, and I like to get

549
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:46.000
your thoughts on it, Rob,
after I kind of lay it down here.

550
00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:51.360
So after the defeat of Bill,
I'm the reversal of Weird mcgeddon.

551
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:55.000
I hope you watched Gravity Falls.
If you're listening, how did you find

552
00:39:55.159 --> 00:40:00.480
this podcast? I started that the
cipher Hunting came to this year. Yeah,

553
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:04.880
so this is episode fifty one.
We have fifty other episodes, talking

554
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:07.679
about every episode of grad fifty one
is your favorite numbers? You had to

555
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:10.960
start here? People are They're here
to support Rob. They have no idea

556
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:19.079
Rob. This is Rob's wife listen. Yeah, Oh she's okay. So

557
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:22.760
after yeah, after all that happened, it is revealed that the previously burned

558
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:27.679
journals because Bill burned them almost immediately
when we were getting started, but they

559
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:31.119
were magically restored when we're mcgeddon ended, and they were later thrown into the

560
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:37.320
bottomless pit. But in the start
of the journal that we have in our

561
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:42.519
world, Journal three was eventually recovered
by the Oregon Parks Department, presumably the

562
00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:45.800
Oregon Parks Department of our dimension,
which I find kind of interesting as a

563
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:52.159
headcanon. Personally, and they wrote
to whom it may concern. The Parks

564
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:55.679
Department of the State of Oregon was
on a routine most tagging mission when we

565
00:40:55.760 --> 00:41:00.840
located this item, a strange,
dust covered book lying in the center of

566
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:07.280
a mossy clearing. Quick perusal reveals
paranoid ramblings, demonic sketches, descriptions of

567
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:14.079
nonsensical creatures, and uncrackable ciphers.
We believe this to either be a prank

568
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:19.039
by a high schoolers or the ramblings
of a local fraud. But since discovering

569
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:22.159
this book, a number of our
troopers have had headaches and disturbing nightmares.

570
00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:25.920
We have logged in in our records
and are now putting it up for purchase

571
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:31.440
at our annual Confiscated Items Sales slash
bake off. Please take this cursed thing

572
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:36.440
off our hands. So can you
speak to this concept at all round,

573
00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:39.199
because I find it very interesting that
it's sort of a justification for why you

574
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:44.760
are now holding the book in your
hands. It's like very arg vibes alternate

575
00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:46.599
reality game. You know again,
I think that was Alex. That was

576
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:52.840
Alex's concept. Okay, gotcha.
So the concept that I was more involved

577
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:57.360
with which is the one where it
comes back to Dipper after is mentally restored.

578
00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:00.079
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, is
the idea that like it's there's more

579
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:04.639
here than than he saw when he
looked saw it the first time. Yeah,

580
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:07.000
that they came back better than he
found them. There are pages that

581
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:09.719
are restored, pages that were burnt
before or that were missing are now in

582
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:14.719
there again. Which was our way
of getting away with telling more to the

583
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:17.880
audience than Dipper would have known in
the show, like early on, Yeah,

584
00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:21.800
if this, if this was the
version that Dipper read, he would

585
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:24.639
have been like, I think this
guy's related to Stay. And he would

586
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:28.400
have also not been messed around with
Bill at all, you know, like

587
00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:30.639
yeah, yeah, all the all
the extra stuff that kind of is like,

588
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:34.679
wait, did Dipper know this?
And of course you probably have that

589
00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:37.559
question in your mind as you're walk
you're reading through the journal, and then

590
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:38.760
we get you get to the end
and it's like, hey, anything that

591
00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:43.079
seemed inconsistent with the show, here's
our get out of jail freek. Yeah,

592
00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:45.239
that you're reading things that were destroyed
by the time Dipper found it,

593
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:51.639
and there is a little of that
retcon nature to it. There are things

594
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:54.679
that that didn't really make sense in
the show, and that Alex says this

595
00:42:54.760 --> 00:43:00.000
always bothered me in the commentaries that
are given a more thorough explanation in the

596
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:06.320
journal, like you can acquire a
property by just holding the deed without signing

597
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:09.400
it over or a lawyer present because
of finders keeper's law. Yeah, I

598
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:14.719
think I think that was originally I
remember that from like a Reddit ama or

599
00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:17.800
something that that was the kind of
handwave for it, But now it is

600
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:23.639
enshrined in the Cannon Journal or A
lot of people complained that Roadside Attraction made

601
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:29.599
no sense where it fell in the
air schedule. But there is a bit

602
00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:34.679
in the book right after the shack
is fitted with unicorn hair that Ford says,

603
00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:37.599
I suggest they go on that vacation. Stan wanted to take him on,

604
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:40.360
so I had time to think,
ye, yeah, yeah, we

605
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:46.440
It was definitely a repository for anything
that we weren't quite satisfied with and spoilerer

606
00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:52.920
Alex Hirsch is never satisfied. Yeah, endlessly rewrite everything forever if you could,

607
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:55.360
so you know, this was like
one more way to rewrite the show

608
00:43:55.559 --> 00:44:00.480
after we were actually done with it. Alex would have added someone saying clunky,

609
00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:07.920
Who is that the author of the
journals? My cunk, my brother

610
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:13.960
The scene where he where Ford blasts
at Bill's hat, we're gonna have We're

611
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:20.119
gonna edit, Bill firing a laser
seconds before. Yes, may I just

612
00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:22.039
say that, in my opinion,
nothing, nothing we did was as egregious

613
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:27.320
as that Star Wars reckon and never
could or as a greedo. Yes,

614
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:34.000
as agreedo, but yeah literally.
On the page for Ford talks about himself,

615
00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:37.320
he has drawn a self portrait that
he has crossed out. But then

616
00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:40.960
presumably at one point you know that
was visible, so good thing, it

617
00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:46.079
was destroyed by the time the profound
a bad thing depending on your perspective.

618
00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:52.400
Maybe. Well. My favorite thing
about the writing is that Ford is here

619
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:59.480
because of a government grant, and
yet in the journal a regularly complains about

620
00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:05.000
cryptic and describes throwing them away so
they stop bothering him instead of researching them.

621
00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:07.519
Yeah, he kind of brushes with
a lot of their personality be just

622
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:14.280
fully admits to breaking the law multiple
times throughout this The breaking the law.

623
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:20.599
The breaking the law was definitely hirsh
and the frustration with cryptids and such was

624
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:25.280
me like I made him like what
I wrote the ten ghosts, the ten

625
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:30.360
category ghost I wrote that section wonderful. That's my favorite. That is literally

626
00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:32.920
my favorite section. Oh, thank
you, thank you. I had to

627
00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:37.480
figure out because like we had this
weird thing where there was just this random

628
00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:42.239
ghost page in an episode, and
then in Northwest Mansion Mystery, we saw

629
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:45.880
like ghost category one and then ghost
category ten, and I'm like, okay,

630
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:52.599
we need eight other categories of ghosts. I love your stupid references to

631
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:58.800
Casper and Ghostbusters and Nightmare and ELM. Yeah, I mean I'm a huge

632
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:06.599
horror fan and hell Razer. All
those references were me and I was I

633
00:46:06.639 --> 00:46:09.599
wanted to like kind of just deconstruct
them all, even though I love them

634
00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:14.679
and love hell Razer. I wanted
to like to have a very like different

635
00:46:14.679 --> 00:46:19.840
attitude towards these guys. It's like
this jerk won't stop boasting about how funny

636
00:46:19.880 --> 00:46:22.880
he is, like, which is
kind of my criticism of like the Nightmare

637
00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:27.119
on elmstream movies, like we're the
first one, super super scary, and

638
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:29.440
like by the you know, you
get to the end of the series and

639
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:34.239
Freddy is just basically a stand up
comedian at that point, and first one

640
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:37.880
In the first one, he does
stick his tongue through a phone to lick

641
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:40.360
someone's ear out. Yeah, I
mean there's there are funny, weird,

642
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:45.320
creepy stuff, but he's so much
more scary than later on. And believe

643
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:47.800
me, I love all I love
all literations of them, but like,

644
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:52.519
I'm kind of wanted this, and
he's friends with Jason Ritter. Jason was

645
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:55.559
in Freddy Versus Jason, although he
was not the Jason in question Jason.

646
00:46:57.199 --> 00:47:05.840
Yeah, that's that's a missed opportunity
Reddy versus Jason Redder really truly, why

647
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:08.159
not? I know he's been a
dream Gamon before he's ready. I think

648
00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:13.559
we did talk about the concept pages
that were in the journal that you had

649
00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:17.599
to do your screenshots of. But
how much of the show Bible got used

650
00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:22.039
in this because it wasn't able to
be worked into the show. Honestly,

651
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:25.920
don't remember the show Bible at all. I don't think the show Bible was

652
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:30.159
very extensive. So I would say
there's not much in the show Bible that

653
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:35.280
made it into the Journal. It's
more like concept because the Journal wasn't even

654
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:37.320
in the pilot. Yeah, so
I do wonder im there was a big

655
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:40.119
debate whether we would have any kind
of book at all. Oh, wow,

656
00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:43.639
pull up close to the fire,
kids, and let me tell you

657
00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:50.679
stare old table read stand. We
were, we were deep into several episodes.

658
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:53.800
Hirsch was debating whether we wanted a
journal or not, or any kind

659
00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:58.079
of book for different palf and so, like in the original version of The

660
00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:02.920
Gobbel Walker when he says there's a
space hidden on the walls the waterfalls,

661
00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:07.199
he was just looking at a map
in the first iteration of a story.

662
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:12.719
Wow. So we got to the
episode where where it's revealed that Gideon has

663
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:15.800
journal too, and the original ending
of that episode had Gideon like just kind

664
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:21.159
of stewing it by himself at home
and a shadowy demon comes in and starts

665
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:24.159
speaking with him. Wow. We
pitched that to our exec Eric Coleman,

666
00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:27.719
and Eric loved it. He said
this is great, this is great.

667
00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:31.800
And then like after lauding the episode, he turned towards us and specifically Alex

668
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:35.639
and said, hope you guys have
this all worked out. Hope you know

669
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:39.880
where you're going. So after that
we had like this panic to meeting,

670
00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:45.119
like yeah, yeah, okay,
we got to figure out how we're doing

671
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:47.719
that. What are we doing?
What are we doing? I can totally

672
00:48:47.719 --> 00:48:52.960
picture the Gilligan cut cliche. I'm
just like, yeah, of course we

673
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:58.360
have a plan. We have no
plan. That reminds me of the story

674
00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:05.639
that when you found that Season one
ends with a cryptogram that says search for

675
00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:10.880
the Blind Eye. You Rob told
Alex that better mean something. Alex is

676
00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:15.280
like, yeah, of course,
oh my god, it doesn't mean anything.

677
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:16.960
I just thought it sounded cool.
Well, you know, once we

678
00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:20.880
established that, like there's going to
be codes and all the things that are

679
00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:23.719
mystery, do you think that are
something are going to be something? Or

680
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:27.800
most of them will be something and
some of them will be fake outs exactly.

681
00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:30.599
You know, we all felt like
we had to produce on that promise.

682
00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:35.679
It's fascinating to know now that the
New York Times best selling journal three

683
00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:38.320
almost just didn't exist in the show. I just had no basis. So

684
00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:40.960
we had a we had a brainstorming
session. We are all pitching ideas to

685
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:45.480
each other and figuring out what we
could do visa the book, visa what

686
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:49.159
was what was the deal with Gideon
and who was behind him? Who was

687
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:51.519
this mystery figure? Yeah? Was
it going to be Bill? Was it

688
00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:54.079
going to be somebody else. We
talked for like a couple hours, and

689
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:57.360
then Alex said, Okay, we've
talked about a bunch of stuff. Let's

690
00:49:57.360 --> 00:50:00.519
all go off and come up with
an idea. Okay, our idea will

691
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:04.039
come back to the room and we'll
pitch it. So I'm the one.

692
00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:06.599
I'm the one who went away and
came back with the idea that there's not

693
00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:08.280
one book, but there's three.
Yeah, I said, I said,

694
00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:13.400
Dipper as Journal number three, Giddeing
has Journal number two, and Stan has

695
00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:16.719
Journal number one. And everybody went
with that idea. Everybody went thought that

696
00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:20.559
was the idea to go with.
I mean, it's perfect. So this

697
00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:23.480
truly is your baby. Then Journal
three really just is your baby in a

698
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:27.960
way, I mean Alex's one.
Alex possibly wanted Dipper to have a book,

699
00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:31.400
but he didn't really know what beyond
the key was the key the idea

700
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:34.599
that I came up with that I
thought like, well, this is this

701
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:37.280
is great is that you know Gideon
has a book, and then we reveal

702
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:40.079
later on that Stan has a book, and that just like deepened the mystery

703
00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:45.079
about it. Yeah. Right,
It naturally leads you because once you see

704
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:49.159
in tourist trapped Journal three. Immediately
you're like, okay, yeah, we're

705
00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:52.639
doing one. Yeah, yeah,
exactly. I mean I really love the

706
00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:57.400
reveal that, like when Gideon gets
Dipper's journal and realizes there's another one,

707
00:50:57.639 --> 00:51:02.559
Like that's that's such a twist right
there, Like he also does not know

708
00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:07.519
what's going on, yes, because
he could not have known Dipper. Having

709
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:12.639
the latest volume means that he knows
the total number of journals. Gideon does

710
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:15.559
not because he only has Journal two. Yeah. And I mean in the

711
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:19.000
top of all that is that the
man who you think who derides all this

712
00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:21.840
stuff is nonsense is the one who
knows the most about it at all.

713
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:29.960
Exactly. Yes. And there are
moments in the release Journal three where basically

714
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:35.280
everything is covered, the grant money, the college he went to his first

715
00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:37.719
you know, pretty early into his
days in Gravity Falls. There's not much

716
00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:43.840
room for what could have been in
Journal one and two, minus a few

717
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:47.199
mentions of more on that in Journal
two. Was it a difficult thing to

718
00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:52.400
come up with in writing of like
this entire book is going to be the

719
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:57.000
full story, but also it is, but it can't be everything. This

720
00:51:57.119 --> 00:52:00.920
is the third volume, and Volume
one and two will never be written.

721
00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:04.280
Yeah, I mean basically we just
dismiss it with the kind of like,

722
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:07.880
well, my studies go on.
Right, it does make sense that he

723
00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:13.400
would, like because it's in the
beginning of the book he's reflecting on like

724
00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:16.199
it's been six years. It makes
sense that he would kind of recap Journals

725
00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:21.320
one and two in terms of like
his journey, and also like he's basically

726
00:52:21.400 --> 00:52:23.320
just been nosed to the grindstone all
this time, but he hasn't made any

727
00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:28.079
progress. So in this journal he
gets more reflective about his past, and

728
00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:30.760
you know, brings on an assistant, and that leads him to be you

729
00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:35.679
know, more self reflexive because he
has someone else that he can work off

730
00:52:35.719 --> 00:52:42.280
of behavior. It explains so much
about why he is so like either blase

731
00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:45.679
or straight up like annoyed at a
lot of these creatures, because I'm sure

732
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:50.599
Journal one is all wide eyed optimism
and like, oh my gosh, this

733
00:52:50.719 --> 00:52:52.719
exists, this is amazing, and
then by three he's like, yeah,

734
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:55.599
this guy was annoying. Yeah,
I mean, you know, he's six

735
00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:59.599
years in, Like, you know, it's like the difference between someone who

736
00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:02.840
just you know, got in the
army and someone that suffered through five years

737
00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:07.239
of World War two or something like
that. You know, he's a grizzled

738
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:10.440
veteran at this point, a freshman
year, senior year, the senioritis.

739
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:20.559
But I love that grizzled veteran of
paranormal investigator cryptozoologist means this thing makes noise

740
00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:23.159
out of its horn. I don't
like the song. I tried to throw

741
00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:27.960
it further into the wood. We
tried to be less respectful to the sillier

742
00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:31.159
monsters because that just seemed to be
said. Was that inspired by something in

743
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:35.320
your life? For Rob? Why
are you annoyed by? Did you did

744
00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:40.079
you accidentally acquire a jackalobe get in
the way? I wish I just had

745
00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:44.239
one of the I mean, I
did want to be I did want to

746
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:47.039
be friends with Frankenstein when I was
a young boy, because well, you're

747
00:53:47.039 --> 00:53:52.440
the robe that happen. I was
definitely afraid of monsters when I was a

748
00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:55.719
kid, and like when I saw
Frankenstein, that was really a key for

749
00:53:55.760 --> 00:53:59.360
me because it was clear he wanted
to be friends with people, and I

750
00:53:59.360 --> 00:54:01.039
thought, you were like this guy, he just wants to sing putting on

751
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:04.960
the rits with me. Yeah,
Well I didn't see that version as a

752
00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:09.360
kid, but helped. I don't
know what your first name is. I

753
00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:15.760
apologize creature, Frankenstein. If you're
listening to this, reach out to Rob.

754
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:19.320
He's pretty responsive on Twitter. He
wants to hang out sometime. Maybe

755
00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:24.119
you guys can get something going flowers
or you know something. Oh yeah,

756
00:54:24.119 --> 00:54:27.960
you also made a show about Dracula. Oh yeah, that's what came out,

757
00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:30.880
and that's where that came from.
Was I was definitely afraid of monsters

758
00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:35.039
as a kid. And how I
made myself feel better was it Frankenstein shows

759
00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:37.800
up. I'll just tell him I
want to be his friend because he's looking

760
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:40.440
at it's really sweet. Oh my
gosh, that's so cute, and he

761
00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:45.880
won't kill me. You Frankenstein,
King Kong and gil Man would just hit

762
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:50.760
the bar and be like, definitely, we're all misunderstood. Something we've talked

763
00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:53.800
about last time with Time Pirates and
just in general about these books is that

764
00:54:54.239 --> 00:55:00.480
Disney Press, for whatever reason,
seems to have a more lenient, you

765
00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:04.559
know, standards and practice sellsler system
than the show, which, of course

766
00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:07.079
you know, and Alex has gone
into vivid detail about standards and practice on

767
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:10.440
the show, But what was it
like for the Journal specifically, because you

768
00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:15.800
definitely get to a lot of places. I remember very little pushback on almost

769
00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:17.679
anything. I can't I can't think
of something they didn't let us. What

770
00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:22.000
surprised me the most and still does
is that there's a section where Mabel is

771
00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:30.000
recapping Sock Opera and finds a note
written by Dipper while while Bill is possessing

772
00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:35.159
Dipper, where he straight up says, I am going to kill this body.

773
00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:37.360
Once I'm done with it, I'm
going to throw Dipper's body off of

774
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:44.159
the water tower with me in it. And similarly, in the m Dimension,

775
00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:49.280
Ford was so annoyed by it that
he does mention he considered mewicide.

776
00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:58.119
Yeah. Ford does call the characters
from the symbol dimension at and spells ass

777
00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:02.400
with at dollar dollar, which is
called calls them something. He calls them

778
00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:07.480
something that starts with at, which
looks like an A and dollar dollar,

779
00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:09.079
which looks like two s s.
I'll take credit for that. That was

780
00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:13.599
one of my pages I did.
The other major section that I did pretty

781
00:56:13.639 --> 00:56:16.639
much on my own was all the
was Ford's Adventure in the Other Dimensions.

782
00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:21.960
That's awesome, really, oh my, that part is so good. What

783
00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:24.239
was it like though? Getting to
explore all of Ford's adventures in the thirty

784
00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:28.880
years that he spent in other dimensions. It was a lot of fun.

785
00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:31.440
I was very excited to do that
section. I'm again, like I said,

786
00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:35.239
I'm a big fan of sci fi
and stuff like that. And yeah,

787
00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:39.440
is there a particular science fiction story
about dimensional travel that has always kind

788
00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:45.440
of peaked her straight up? Parodied? Was flat Land? Yeah, Yeah,

789
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:47.199
that's right, that's right. I
mean that was kind of where that

790
00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:52.239
whole section kind of grew out of, like when I started trying to brainstorm

791
00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:55.280
ideas so much. There was also
the the n dimension was like a silly

792
00:56:55.320 --> 00:57:00.360
idea that we had for like,
we were trying for a long time to

793
00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:07.960
break a Mabel goes into the portal
on her own, like and goes into

794
00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:10.159
another dimension, has a dimensional adventure, and we're trying to figure out where

795
00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:15.559
she would go. And one of
the dumb ideas was a dimension where everything

796
00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:17.480
was just ends. Is that where
Bill's friend? Yeah, and and the

797
00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:22.639
Bill zipher ama that Alex did.
There's a point where they asked Bill about

798
00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:28.440
his friends and responds, my friends
look like this and responds with the mouth

799
00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:34.880
from the letter people. And so
now we had canon that this is where

800
00:57:34.960 --> 00:57:39.679
that character comes from. This is
Bill's dimension, Yes for sure. So

801
00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:45.239
yeah, that's leads to my other
question because I imagine so many of these

802
00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:47.480
and so many of every other part
of the journal, but particularly this other

803
00:57:47.480 --> 00:57:52.880
dimension traveling was episodes that you didn't
get to do. Some of you know,

804
00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:55.440
some of it was that idea was
something that we didn't get to do.

805
00:57:58.119 --> 00:58:00.039
Most of the other stuff was just
dumb jokes. Well, there's also

806
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:06.880
the moment where where Dipper confides his
real name and Ford w oh my gosh.

807
00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:12.119
Had several attempts to write that into
episodes. As I recall, so

808
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:15.000
Dipper's real name, maybe he's also
from the m dimension because Dipper's real name

809
00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:19.320
is Mason Pines. Yeah, there
you go. Well it makes sense with

810
00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:22.639
Mabel Eminem, that's what the kids
do with their twins all the time,

811
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:30.239
there goes gravity falls. I understand
why that would have been a big thing

812
00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:34.920
to have in Dipper Mabel versus the
Future, but I also think it it

813
00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:39.440
adds something even more special to this
book that it is that it's here,

814
00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:46.280
and that it's such a private personal
thing for Dipper that we as an audience

815
00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:52.760
only hear about it secondhand, we
don't see it happen. I I think

816
00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:57.599
that's that's really sweet. Now,
I guess that I did think of that

817
00:58:57.679 --> 00:59:00.360
question. But did you get to
pick that name or did Alex? Alex

818
00:59:00.360 --> 00:59:05.119
sorry always I think Alex had that
from a long time and never talked about

819
00:59:05.119 --> 00:59:07.280
it. Wow, the first time
I knew what it was when I read

820
00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:12.679
When I read the presumably first time
anyone besides Alex knew. Yeah, if

821
00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:14.639
somebody else know, I knew,
I don't know who it would be.

822
00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:19.400
Yeah, no one else knew.
So, uh, it's it's unknown what

823
00:59:19.519 --> 00:59:22.800
happened to them, maybe another dimension. It was probably Bradley, let's be

824
00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:30.000
really, it was probably so the
connection to the Freemasons that Ford makes to

825
00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:34.840
kind of make Dipper feel better,
I imagined was probably the inspiration for it.

826
00:59:35.239 --> 00:59:37.519
Yeah, first place, Yes,
the original Dipper Alex was into all

827
00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:40.679
that, all those kind of secret
society things as a kid. You know,

828
00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:45.679
for sure, I'm sure he's talked
about that also tracks with Alex Ariel

829
00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:50.480
Mabel Mason. Yeah, of course
it's a I I really like that name.

830
00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:52.159
And I'm not just saying that because
I have a very good friend who

831
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:55.400
was also named Mason. Shout out
to Mason, Uh, I have a

832
00:59:55.519 --> 01:00:00.119
very good jar named Mason. You
have many of those, I believe too,

833
01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:04.639
I have a lot of I don't
really drink out of cups too often.

834
01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:09.320
Back to the dimension hopping, it's
just it's so much fun to explore.

835
01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:13.280
Do you have a favorite dimension?
That's like picking between your children?

836
01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:15.920
Yeah, I mean your interdimensional children. I like the I mean I love

837
01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:21.239
the dimension like I just like the
I like the gambling dimension. Yes,

838
01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:25.559
I want to see Stan have an
adventure there, and I'm sorry we could

839
01:00:25.880 --> 01:00:30.239
make that work. Yeah, I'm
a big fan of the do over dimension

840
01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:34.519
where time will randomly. Yeah,
that was r like, that was I

841
01:00:34.719 --> 01:00:38.760
love I love time travel, and
I wanted to do something different with time

842
01:00:38.840 --> 01:00:43.559
tra like kind of time than than
I'd seen before. And I just thought,

843
01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:45.119
like, what would be the most
irritating version of that. There was

844
01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:52.519
a worry when Tale of Two Stands
was first being drafted that a character showing

845
01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:58.519
up punching the most beloved character and
then taking over the show would be annoying.

846
01:00:58.559 --> 01:01:05.840
Defense and there are a lot of
attempts to show what was going through

847
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:09.719
his mind at the time, Like
we learned that when the portal was opened,

848
01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:15.199
he was within inches of defeating Bill. We learned that, right,

849
01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:19.119
the layout of of what's beyond the
portal was something we never knew and that

850
01:01:19.199 --> 01:01:22.159
I never thought about until the book
of Like okay, so yeah, you

851
01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:25.639
step inside and what is it?
Like? What is the space between the

852
01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:30.360
dimensions? And that would be the
nightmare realm as we find out. And

853
01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:36.679
he also travels to a parallel Gravity
Falls where Stan did what he said and

854
01:01:36.760 --> 01:01:42.039
hid the journal and didn't call him
a jerk. And in that world he

855
01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:46.440
is this renowned researcher who owns a
pretty big company. So to him it

856
01:01:46.559 --> 01:01:51.719
makes sense Stan, you know,
ruined my chances at success twice, like

857
01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:54.159
yeah, And it brings in a
lot of empathy, especially the fact that

858
01:01:54.199 --> 01:02:00.440
he returns to find his place of
research a knickknack shot up and my favorite

859
01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:06.000
joke being a customer walked up to
me and told me that they're Burpens Stanford

860
01:02:06.119 --> 01:02:12.440
Pines. Figure wasn't Burpin loud enough? Like his name is now plastered on

861
01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:16.400
all of this, all of this
kitch. The show Gravity Falls definitely throws

862
01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:21.719
more sympathy stands away than Ford's way
and This was kind of our way of

863
01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:24.800
balancing it and showing Ford's perspective.
And you know, right by the end

864
01:02:24.840 --> 01:02:28.920
of the show, I think you
feel better about Ford because he's come around

865
01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:32.320
and of and reconciled with his brother. But this kind of shows where his

866
01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:37.440
head was at and where he was
doing and the idea that he was just

867
01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:43.639
about ready to fulfill his life's work
and destroy Bill and then Stan must must

868
01:02:43.679 --> 01:02:47.400
be yeah, and that he had
just traveled through through a litany of horrifying

869
01:02:47.679 --> 01:02:54.360
alternate realities and yeah, you see
his side of the story. There are

870
01:02:54.519 --> 01:03:00.159
a lot of interesting little bits and
bops in here that I really I like

871
01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:07.159
that. It makes the gravity Falls
universe feel a lot more interconnected, especially

872
01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:10.880
like in the past. You know, finding out about gravity Falls is past,

873
01:03:12.159 --> 01:03:15.360
like that there was a train crash, and that that crashed train became

874
01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:21.880
Greasey's diner and that, you know, and the train crash was caused by

875
01:03:21.880 --> 01:03:25.800
weird mcgednon and time travel. And
with that manly Dan who we saw on

876
01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:32.679
the show building the shack for Ford. It was named boyish Dan. Who

877
01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:37.679
came up with the name boyish Dan. I think that was hersh That sounds

878
01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:40.920
like her, I believe. I
assume. I assume Alex also came up

879
01:03:40.960 --> 01:03:49.360
with Preston Northwest's father old Man Oldman
Northwest. Oh. I never got that

880
01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:53.840
that Aldman was old Man until I
think, actually I might have come up

881
01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:59.239
with that one. I'm not sure. Yeah, I think I wrote those

882
01:03:59.239 --> 01:04:03.360
pages to the kind of figure out
how to integrate the that first Northwest story

883
01:04:03.400 --> 01:04:08.079
with where they're you know, they're
gone, the they gone, the venture,

884
01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:10.480
they find that the paper, and
they figured it out and maybe make

885
01:04:10.760 --> 01:04:14.920
the cover up. Yeah, And
it's it's fascinating too that it connects all

886
01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:17.960
of these things that like weren't even
necessarily plot holes, they're just very interesting

887
01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:23.599
bits of like that makes a lot
of sense that the reason that they're in

888
01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:29.360
Scaraoke the episode you directed, that
there were so many zombies, that so

889
01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:32.199
many dead bodies to become zombies in
the vicinity of the mystery Shack is because

890
01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:39.239
of the mud slide of the lumberjacks
in Northwest Mansion Mystery. And it makes

891
01:04:39.280 --> 01:04:42.679
so much sense. You'd never think
to make that connection, You wouldn't necessarily

892
01:04:42.679 --> 01:04:47.360
be asking yourself. But it adds
to that. We also get another similarly

893
01:04:47.639 --> 01:04:55.519
canned from the finale plot where Dipper
Clones three and four try to replace Dipper

894
01:04:55.559 --> 01:05:00.800
Classic and we get Tracy the name
of Dipper three and Quatra of Dipper four,

895
01:05:00.920 --> 01:05:03.079
which is very entertaining. I'm very
proud to announce that that was Those

896
01:05:03.159 --> 01:05:08.159
names are my idea. That's so
good. But I want I actually wanted.

897
01:05:08.599 --> 01:05:12.480
I wanted there to be a character
named Tracy Quatro that showed up after

898
01:05:12.519 --> 01:05:16.199
the events of that episode, and
that like was in the background for a

899
01:05:16.199 --> 01:05:20.440
few episodes and was revealed to be
diper Clone three and four. That's hilarious,

900
01:05:20.679 --> 01:05:24.679
you know, doing the class like, yeah, two kids in a

901
01:05:24.719 --> 01:05:28.280
trench coat thing. Oh my gosh, it's so good, so I made

902
01:05:28.280 --> 01:05:32.119
sure it got into the journal.
I love it. We also discover the

903
01:05:32.559 --> 01:05:39.840
humble origins of Bandito minstrel to Toot
mcbrumbers Nazel aka Blind Ivan, who began

904
01:05:40.280 --> 01:05:45.199
as Ivan Wexler, a teenager working
at a carnival. Also at this carnival,

905
01:05:45.320 --> 01:05:49.760
Ford gets a palm reading from an
old woman who resembles the hand Witch

906
01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:54.719
in a lot of ways, very
strongly, really interesting. Yeah, yeah,

907
01:05:54.760 --> 01:05:59.840
and that made me happy because the
Handwitch as someone who started watching this

908
01:05:59.840 --> 01:06:04.400
sh show because Homestar Runner was on
hiatus. The Handwitch is actually my favorite

909
01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:09.960
character in gravity Falls, and I
was very upset to process that the Handwitch

910
01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:14.199
does not exist. That little gift
shop of hers is not a can And

911
01:06:14.800 --> 01:06:18.440
episode. So my favorite character in
gravity Falls is not actually in Gravity Falls.

912
01:06:18.760 --> 01:06:25.360
So I thought until my main man, roberinst canonizes me Captain. Actually,

913
01:06:25.440 --> 01:06:28.960
actually I think, I know.
I'm guessing it was probably I knew

914
01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:32.760
it was probably hersh little bit,
but yeah, no, I love the

915
01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:38.199
Handwitch too. I was a big
I'm a big Handwich fan Fanwich Svandwige of

916
01:06:38.199 --> 01:06:41.800
the Handwich. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's kind of uncannon

917
01:06:41.880 --> 01:06:45.199
cannon, right, yeah, or
cannon uncannon, whatever you want to say.

918
01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:48.960
As well as in the page where
Dipper is recapping Northwest Mansion Mystery,

919
01:06:49.239 --> 01:06:56.599
he decides that the Lumberjack ghost is
a Category eleven demonic vengeance specter, but

920
01:06:56.679 --> 01:07:01.079
we find out not only his name
Archibald, but that it's Archibald Corduroy.

921
01:07:01.800 --> 01:07:09.679
That there's a picture in Wendy's house
that looks exactly like the Lumberjack, which

922
01:07:09.719 --> 01:07:14.559
is another like it's kind of somehow
it's the opposite of what they do in

923
01:07:14.599 --> 01:07:17.679
like the Star Wars prequels, where
it's like Anakin built C three Po,

924
01:07:17.920 --> 01:07:21.559
Like Darth Vader is C three Po's
dad. Yeah, No, it's in

925
01:07:21.599 --> 01:07:28.119
the Star Wars prequels. Things that
are significant to the audience are significant to

926
01:07:28.159 --> 01:07:32.559
the narrative. Yes, in the
backstory sections of Journal three, there are

927
01:07:32.559 --> 01:07:38.840
things that are significant to the audience
that four does not find interesting. Yeah,

928
01:07:39.239 --> 01:07:43.079
right, And it's that in the
Star Wars prequels. In my view,

929
01:07:43.079 --> 01:07:45.360
it makes that universe feel smaller,
but here it just makes it feel

930
01:07:45.400 --> 01:07:48.760
more real that, like, these
are things that are interconnected and that affect

931
01:07:48.880 --> 01:07:53.840
each other. And also gravity Falls
is a small town. It just makes

932
01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:58.079
more sense to have it all be
more interconnected. I love how lived in

933
01:07:58.880 --> 01:08:02.679
it feels at that is exactly it. Yes, yeah. The TV show

934
01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:09.280
version of the Town's Folk is definitely
heavily influenced by Hersh's love of The Simpsons.

935
01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:13.920
But when Ford is talking about moving
to this lumbering town in the middle

936
01:08:14.000 --> 01:08:18.079
of the Pacific Northwest, it does
feel like someone moving to a new area

937
01:08:18.359 --> 01:08:25.239
and meeting the local popular all Lumbertown, and especially that scene where he goes

938
01:08:25.279 --> 01:08:29.119
to the diner and is feeling just
stalked by Bill and all those eyes.

939
01:08:29.319 --> 01:08:31.319
It feels, you know, incredibly
twin peaks. Not just because it's a

940
01:08:31.359 --> 01:08:34.439
diner, but it's that you know, side of the road, and it's

941
01:08:34.520 --> 01:08:39.520
it feels a lot more desolate.
Do you think he likes to get pie

942
01:08:39.560 --> 01:08:45.560
when he travels to a new town? Darn and black coffee and bacon so

943
01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:48.159
crisp, it's almost burn Does he
call the journal Diane, Diane, you

944
01:08:48.199 --> 01:08:53.960
won't believe what I found? No, he does not answer that, he

945
01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:58.840
does not can. I would never
That is ridiculous. I would never do

946
01:08:58.920 --> 01:09:02.520
that. My journal's name is Claire. Oh, my journal's name. Actually,

947
01:09:02.840 --> 01:09:06.720
maybe the journal's name is Kathy.
Because we reveal that Ford had a

948
01:09:06.800 --> 01:09:13.439
crush in school named Kathy Crenshaw.
There's a code that said, Kathy,

949
01:09:13.600 --> 01:09:15.840
what a dream, held her hand
and made her scream that like it was

950
01:09:15.880 --> 01:09:20.760
a it was an almost like romantic
thing that because of his six fingers,

951
01:09:21.079 --> 01:09:26.800
he did not have that relationship.
Yes, well, that's the difference between

952
01:09:26.920 --> 01:09:30.800
dating and school and dating in the
adult world and the adult world. That

953
01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:35.079
extra finger is going to make a
difference. I think Disney Press would probably

954
01:09:35.199 --> 01:09:43.239
veto that one. We also get
the revealed that Stanton Ford's birthday is June

955
01:09:43.239 --> 01:09:47.199
fifteenth, two days after mine.
Standard Ford naturally are geminis, which yeah,

956
01:09:47.239 --> 01:09:53.680
that tracks. Yeah. It also
means that when Bluff's and Darland are

957
01:09:53.760 --> 01:09:57.600
doing their horoscopes, Blub says,
are you aren't you a Gemini? And

958
01:09:58.520 --> 01:10:02.760
Seuss is born in July? I
think, yes, July thirteenth, and

959
01:10:02.800 --> 01:10:11.199
then Mal August thirty first, So
there's just all summer birthdays and Gideon was

960
01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:15.159
in July. Yeah. Yeah,
they all got pool party birthdays. We

961
01:10:15.279 --> 01:10:19.359
love a summer birthday. I'm not
just saying that. Standard Ford's birthday also

962
01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:27.640
notably the anniversary of Gravityles Tune fifteenth, we learn via an attempted Van Winkle

963
01:10:27.840 --> 01:10:30.600
prank on SEUs, we learned that
Sus is incapable of growing facial hair,

964
01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:34.520
and the facial hairs that he has
are glued on by him. Yes,

965
01:10:35.479 --> 01:10:40.199
yeah, he has alo pisia from
the ears down. That might be my

966
01:10:40.279 --> 01:10:43.119
joke. That might be I can't
remember. I think I read those.

967
01:10:43.760 --> 01:10:46.239
That's a good joke. I can
relate to that. Yeah. Yeah,

968
01:10:46.239 --> 01:10:51.600
we got some Easter eggs very interestingly
connecting to Rick and Morty. Ah,

969
01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:56.800
well, that's that's definitely that's hersh
for sure. Justin tried so hard to

970
01:10:56.800 --> 01:11:00.079
get everybody in on that and nobody
followed through on the show, So that's

971
01:11:00.119 --> 01:11:04.760
just him finally following through for Justin. It kind of continues the crossover that

972
01:11:05.279 --> 01:11:09.560
we saw in Society of the Blind
Eye. Listened to our episode on that

973
01:11:09.680 --> 01:11:14.479
with Jason Ritter. We got the
silhouette of a plumbus. Well. I

974
01:11:14.479 --> 01:11:16.279
don't have to describe what that is. Everyone has one in their home.

975
01:11:17.680 --> 01:11:20.920
I did always want to know like
how they made those, though, get

976
01:11:20.920 --> 01:11:25.960
on the ener dimensional Cable you'll find
something. Yeah, there's probably like some

977
01:11:26.079 --> 01:11:32.800
shleam I imagine probably some shleam involved, But what is the arc? What

978
01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:39.760
does the story circle say about the
shleep. There's also a Nigerian well,

979
01:11:39.800 --> 01:11:44.399
one of them was voiced by David
Cross in the episode m Night Sham Aliens.

980
01:11:44.680 --> 01:11:50.479
They both appear in silhouette on the
Unified Theory of Weirdness illustration Ford's interdimensional

981
01:11:51.000 --> 01:11:57.159
mugshot as a code that translates to
Rick was here, which is so I

982
01:11:57.600 --> 01:12:00.640
love I feel like less so with
word because you know, Ford was introduced

983
01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:06.000
later, but there was and still
is a massive a ship in romantic sense

984
01:12:06.239 --> 01:12:11.560
and just they would be good drinking
buddies sense, which honestly lead to a

985
01:12:11.640 --> 01:12:15.199
romantic relationship. And there was the
vine of the two of them that Alex

986
01:12:15.319 --> 01:12:18.199
and Justin shot on a whiteboard.
Hey, Rick, want to solve world

987
01:12:18.279 --> 01:12:25.520
hunger? World hunger? That makes
me really hung There's a big like crossover

988
01:12:25.600 --> 01:12:31.199
ship referred to obviously as Stanchez,
Stan Pines and Rick Sanchez. So I

989
01:12:31.239 --> 01:12:35.920
love the idea that Rick's out there
somewhere and maybe he'll meet Stan one day

990
01:12:35.960 --> 01:12:41.039
and maybe they don't know where,
don't know. When Ford mentions fist fighting

991
01:12:41.159 --> 01:12:45.880
a talking chair, possibly in a
dimension scene in close Rick Counters of the

992
01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:50.479
Rick Kind, fittingly the same episode
that crosses over with Society of the Blind

993
01:12:50.560 --> 01:12:57.039
Eye, my interpretation was that the
talking chair that got in a fist fight

994
01:12:57.119 --> 01:13:01.439
with Ford is from the same dimension
as a table mabel, which we will

995
01:13:01.439 --> 01:13:06.319
cover. Interesting. Yeah, all
right, yeah, I like that?

996
01:13:06.439 --> 01:13:10.840
Is that also where the chair from
Peewey's Playhouse? Well, so I was

997
01:13:10.880 --> 01:13:13.640
going to bring up that's one.
I think there's only one talking chair in

998
01:13:13.680 --> 01:13:16.680
my life, and that's Cherry from
Peewe's play And no one's replacing you,

999
01:13:16.840 --> 01:13:23.760
Cherry. You have a little you
have your locket with with Cherry, Cherry

1000
01:13:23.800 --> 01:13:28.800
has one with Rob and one Yes. So I think it was at comic

1001
01:13:28.880 --> 01:13:31.359
on twenty fifteen. It was one
of the ones with the food trucks that

1002
01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:38.840
had the something gravity fallsy in it
where they were interviewing Alex and hey we

1003
01:13:38.880 --> 01:13:44.119
did that once we did? They
asked him it is Ford hiding anything under

1004
01:13:44.119 --> 01:13:49.039
his sweater? Uh? Yeah,
yes he is. That's all I can

1005
01:13:49.079 --> 01:13:54.239
say. Hey, and we find
out what that is here it's a tattoo

1006
01:13:54.279 --> 01:13:59.720
of a talking star saying, hey, now I'm an All Star? So

1007
01:14:00.199 --> 01:14:02.760
was that? My question then?
Is was was All Star by smash Mouth

1008
01:14:02.920 --> 01:14:12.359
a multi dimensional release? I think
there are several dimensions as joke I wrote

1009
01:14:12.399 --> 01:14:16.840
those pages where Hursh definitely added that
in why did I get this tattoo?

1010
01:14:17.199 --> 01:14:21.800
Like he was drunk? Anything that
dumb in the book is definitely Oh yeah,

1011
01:14:21.840 --> 01:14:26.079
And I'm sure he's proud of that. God, Yes, I'm I'm

1012
01:14:26.079 --> 01:14:30.079
proud of him for doing it.
Oh, it's possible Rick Sanchez gave it

1013
01:14:30.119 --> 01:14:34.800
to him. What does that mean, Hey, now You're an All Star?

1014
01:14:34.960 --> 01:14:39.279
Oh it's a reference to a song
that's from Well, it's not really

1015
01:14:39.279 --> 01:14:43.600
from Strick, it's from Mystery Men, but everyone associated with true. Yeah,

1016
01:14:44.439 --> 01:14:46.359
that's interesting. I never knew that. Oh I thought it was from

1017
01:14:46.680 --> 01:14:50.479
Trush. You know. No,
that's just where it got more popular morning.

1018
01:14:50.479 --> 01:14:54.920
You see. I think this was
in the commentary for the finale,

1019
01:14:55.000 --> 01:15:01.319
that there was going to be entire
episode about the process of getting Chronicle Stand's

1020
01:15:01.359 --> 01:15:08.000
memory back, and then they realized
that was really depressing. Yeah, we

1021
01:15:08.039 --> 01:15:11.079
decided that we didn't want to do
that. But can you talk a little

1022
01:15:11.079 --> 01:15:14.920
about writing that in the journal because
we do get to elaborate on that after

1023
01:15:15.159 --> 01:15:19.079
well, I mean, we were
in the finale was so tough. I

1024
01:15:19.079 --> 01:15:24.720
mean, we had so much that
we want to do, and you know,

1025
01:15:24.800 --> 01:15:28.079
there were there were things where we
thought we were going to take a

1026
01:15:28.119 --> 01:15:30.359
lot more time with him, and
you know, staying getting his memory back

1027
01:15:30.479 --> 01:15:33.319
was one of them. But we
just knew that that wasn't going to be

1028
01:15:34.119 --> 01:15:38.960
so satisfying for anybody as a viewer, and so we kind of skipped over

1029
01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:42.399
it. But you know, we
we we went into it a little bit

1030
01:15:42.399 --> 01:15:45.479
more detail in the book, just
to make sure that people knew it was

1031
01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:50.479
a process and that it didn't exactly
It makes that happen instantly feel more real

1032
01:15:50.640 --> 01:15:56.399
and a lot more emotional that like
even the sentence here. We've even read

1033
01:15:56.399 --> 01:16:00.560
his favorite terrible jokes from his joke
book to him and he remembers every punchline

1034
01:16:00.640 --> 01:16:02.720
like that gets me, That gets
me tear out. Yeah, that's I

1035
01:16:02.760 --> 01:16:04.840
said, I cried at the end
of the book. That was one of

1036
01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:09.760
the moments. Yeah. Yeah.
And Stan and Ford watching their home movies

1037
01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:14.560
together and and all of this stuff. That also adds a lot more depth

1038
01:16:14.720 --> 01:16:18.680
to you know, Ford asking Stan
to go on the boat adventure with it

1039
01:16:19.159 --> 01:16:26.920
at the at the end, and
it's this great little mini kind of story,

1040
01:16:27.079 --> 01:16:32.199
little mini conflict where Dipper has well, he has started his own journal

1041
01:16:32.199 --> 01:16:38.479
with a with a pine tree on
it. But he's also like Dipper discovered

1042
01:16:38.560 --> 01:16:44.399
the regenerated journals on his own and
did not tell Ford because Ford was busy

1043
01:16:44.520 --> 01:16:47.399
helping Stan. Yet his memory back, and he's panicked that Ford will be

1044
01:16:47.560 --> 01:16:53.600
mad at him that he has kept
them. And immediately the next page is

1045
01:16:53.640 --> 01:16:57.199
Ford writing and saying, my grand
nephew's fears are unfounded. All I feel

1046
01:16:57.239 --> 01:17:01.640
toward him is love and pride,
and that gets me going. That's just

1047
01:17:01.720 --> 01:17:08.439
a lot that's just a lot of
emotions and this whole ending monologue here where

1048
01:17:08.439 --> 01:17:12.399
Ford is just reflecting so good.
What was that like to write? Well,

1049
01:17:12.520 --> 01:17:15.079
we cried while we wrote it.
I mean Alex and I kind of

1050
01:17:15.119 --> 01:17:17.920
wrote that together. I don't remember. I think I took I think I

1051
01:17:17.920 --> 01:17:20.840
took a first stab at it,
and then he went in and and we

1052
01:17:20.920 --> 01:17:24.199
kind of went back and forth a
couple of times on that, I think.

1053
01:17:25.159 --> 01:17:28.800
But yeah, I mean that's where
we would always intended for Ford to

1054
01:17:29.079 --> 01:17:33.439
end up. And you know,
we were happy that we pulled We thought

1055
01:17:33.439 --> 01:17:38.439
we pulled it off, So you
know, it was you know, it's

1056
01:17:38.600 --> 01:17:44.000
I've had a similar experience on Kid
Cosmic, the end of kid Cosmic,

1057
01:17:44.199 --> 01:17:50.960
and even I helped write it,
I cry every time I watched it process,

1058
01:17:51.000 --> 01:17:55.319
and if I watched it again now
I'd probably start crying. Yeah,

1059
01:17:55.439 --> 01:17:58.439
So you know, I don't know. I don't know. Is that sickness,

1060
01:17:58.560 --> 01:18:00.720
is that health? I don't know
what it is. Start now,

1061
01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:03.680
it's something that you helped come up
with and you still still get to you.

1062
01:18:03.800 --> 01:18:06.520
I think it's a sign of a
good writer. Well, thank you

1063
01:18:06.680 --> 01:18:11.319
very much. If you can continually
surprise yourself, I think it's a sign

1064
01:18:11.319 --> 01:18:14.199
of good writing. Yeah, it
is. I agree. I say that

1065
01:18:15.039 --> 01:18:18.760
regularly that my favorite podcast is Mystery
Shack look Back, and many people see

1066
01:18:18.760 --> 01:18:21.479
that as vain. But I'm like, how was I going to well,

1067
01:18:21.520 --> 01:18:28.279
you're not gonna lie, How was
I going to organize, plan, research,

1068
01:18:28.439 --> 01:18:32.359
record, edit, you know,
fifty one episodes unless I was like,

1069
01:18:32.760 --> 01:18:36.279
oh, this episode's gonna oh this
is my favorite. Oh I love

1070
01:18:36.399 --> 01:18:42.720
this show exactly. I need love
for it. So if your material is

1071
01:18:42.920 --> 01:18:46.640
affecting you the way that you intend
for it to affect the audience, then

1072
01:18:46.640 --> 01:18:50.199
that means that it is effective material. Yeah. Oh yeah, I'd like

1073
01:18:50.279 --> 01:18:54.279
to think so. And I mean, I've been lucky that I've most of

1074
01:18:54.319 --> 01:18:58.000
my career. I've almost all my
career I've worked on stuff that I love.

1075
01:18:58.159 --> 01:19:01.840
And you know, I think working
on stuff that you love and that

1076
01:19:01.880 --> 01:19:08.479
you're allowed, you're given the creative
freedom to make at least a approximate the

1077
01:19:08.560 --> 01:19:12.760
vision you have of it when you
start. Is you know, it's good

1078
01:19:12.760 --> 01:19:17.199
for everybody because you get the most
sincere, most committed, most valuable stuff

1079
01:19:17.199 --> 01:19:20.840
that way. And I mean I
was just always privileged from the beginning of

1080
01:19:20.840 --> 01:19:26.039
my time on Gravity Falls to work
with Alex and with a crew that felt

1081
01:19:26.079 --> 01:19:30.920
the same way and really loved what
we were doing. I wouldn't have signed

1082
01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:32.479
up to be a part of it
if I didn't love the pilot when I

1083
01:19:32.479 --> 01:19:36.039
saw it, or you know,
or if I didn't have such confidence as

1084
01:19:36.079 --> 01:19:40.640
in Alex as a creator who I
knew, he knew what he wanted to

1085
01:19:40.680 --> 01:19:45.520
do and didn't mean it was you
know, it was always easy or smooth.

1086
01:19:45.640 --> 01:19:49.119
It was the opposite of those things. But there was never a doubt

1087
01:19:49.199 --> 01:19:53.560
that everything we did and everything we
suffered through in all the late nights and

1088
01:19:53.600 --> 01:19:57.640
all the you know, things we
threw out, it was all done out

1089
01:19:57.720 --> 01:20:00.359
of love for the story we're telling
and love for the characters that were in

1090
01:20:00.399 --> 01:20:04.119
that story. And you know,
I hope that the journal reflects that that

1091
01:20:04.159 --> 01:20:08.720
we love we love these characters.
It does. Oh yeah, When you

1092
01:20:08.720 --> 01:20:12.239
first came on the podcast, you
told us that you had initially met Alex

1093
01:20:12.399 --> 01:20:17.399
at the brainstorming session for Wander Over
Yonder. Yes, what was the moment

1094
01:20:17.600 --> 01:20:23.520
where it clicked to you that this
person has an idea to make this show

1095
01:20:23.640 --> 01:20:27.920
work? This this person has a
vision you mean for Gravity Falls, for

1096
01:20:28.039 --> 01:20:31.119
Alex, for what was it when
was it clear that you were in good

1097
01:20:31.159 --> 01:20:36.159
hands with this show. After that
brainstorm, there was another brainstorm for for

1098
01:20:36.399 --> 01:20:41.560
Alex's show, for Gravity Falls,
and Craig and I were part of that

1099
01:20:41.640 --> 01:20:45.960
brainstorm. Oh wow, and they
she showed us the original pilot and we

1100
01:20:45.960 --> 01:20:49.079
were bowled over by it. I
loved it. Yeah, And so we

1101
01:20:49.279 --> 01:20:53.960
just were spitballing different ideas and most
of those ideas didn't end up in the

1102
01:20:53.960 --> 01:20:57.920
show eventually, but we just kind
of got in a room and through ideas

1103
01:20:57.920 --> 01:21:00.960
at the wall. And so I
don't really know. I think if Alex

1104
01:21:01.000 --> 01:21:06.960
had been left alone to do his
show and Disney didn't insist on bringing in

1105
01:21:08.039 --> 01:21:10.239
a veteran, I don't know that
he would have like reached out and said

1106
01:21:10.279 --> 01:21:15.479
no, but I need that bald
guy who well we know he needed you.

1107
01:21:15.880 --> 01:21:20.960
Well look, I'm very proud of
my contributions on the show, and

1108
01:21:21.000 --> 01:21:25.039
it would have been different without me
involved. But you know, it was

1109
01:21:25.079 --> 01:21:29.640
a shotgun wedding, but it was
a shotgun wedding with a happy, happy

1110
01:21:29.760 --> 01:21:34.560
ending because we fell in love as
creative partners, and the journal is the

1111
01:21:34.600 --> 01:21:40.520
fullest expression of that. Because while
I was creative house, Yes, yeah,

1112
01:21:40.800 --> 01:21:43.680
this was a you know, this
is the culmination of the partnership because

1113
01:21:43.720 --> 01:21:46.159
on the show itself, though I
was involved with the storytelling, I never

1114
01:21:46.279 --> 01:21:48.680
wrote a script or anything like that. I came up with lines, I

1115
01:21:48.720 --> 01:21:51.479
came up with ideas, I came
up with solutions and gags and did all

1116
01:21:51.520 --> 01:21:56.800
that stuff, but I never started
anything. And I started a journal three

1117
01:21:56.880 --> 01:22:00.239
and then we wrote it together,
and so this is, you know,

1118
01:22:00.279 --> 01:22:03.159
this is our fullest collaboration. So
it's I'm very happy that I got the

1119
01:22:03.279 --> 01:22:05.760
chance to do it, and very
happy with how it turned out, and

1120
01:22:06.159 --> 01:22:11.479
of course very happy that it was
successful and popular and then a best seller

1121
01:22:11.520 --> 01:22:14.399
and all that. It's just a
sign, yeah, sign of people's love

1122
01:22:14.479 --> 01:22:17.119
for it, and that of course
makes me feel good. It's great and

1123
01:22:17.359 --> 01:22:23.159
the so speaking of creative partnerships,
there's you know, in this wrap up

1124
01:22:23.199 --> 01:22:27.039
section is also an end to a
mini arc that you put in for for

1125
01:22:27.159 --> 01:22:30.680
Fiddleford, which is fantastic because he's
There's a great comic that I've linked before

1126
01:22:30.760 --> 01:22:36.279
by a Tumbler user Gingjuice Tonic that
basically says that Fiddleford has OCD, that

1127
01:22:36.319 --> 01:22:41.399
Fiddleford is haunted by the things that
happened to him that he cannot escape his

1128
01:22:41.439 --> 01:22:46.199
own thoughts and that he has these
physical compulsions like doing the Cubic's cube,

1129
01:22:46.720 --> 01:22:51.920
so to speak. And Ford is
over here like that's kind of the start

1130
01:22:53.000 --> 01:22:56.560
of the differences between them, because
Ford is like, oh, it's just

1131
01:22:56.680 --> 01:23:00.479
I have these mindfulness techniques, I
have all these other things that that.

1132
01:23:00.920 --> 01:23:05.800
Yeah, He's basically have you tried
water in meditation? Have you tried yoga?

1133
01:23:05.960 --> 01:23:10.520
And you know, Fiddleford's brain does
not work the same way that Ford's

1134
01:23:10.560 --> 01:23:14.039
does, and Ford does not understand
that at first. And by the time

1135
01:23:14.079 --> 01:23:16.960
when Mgeddon ends and Ford it,
you know, wants to make amends for

1136
01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:24.199
how he hurt Fiddleford. He he's
the one who suggests that Fiddleford send his

1137
01:23:25.079 --> 01:23:31.079
blueprints to the government and sell them
so he can buy the Northwest Mansion that

1138
01:23:31.119 --> 01:23:36.920
he renames the houton Nanny. Really, what Gravity Falls Journal three is it's

1139
01:23:38.000 --> 01:23:42.760
a book written by the smartest man
in the world demonstrating why he is the

1140
01:23:42.800 --> 01:23:45.640
stupidest man in the world exactly.
And he ends up, you know,

1141
01:23:45.680 --> 01:23:53.039
he learns because he sees he leaves
Fiddleford's house after suggesting that sees the finished

1142
01:23:53.199 --> 01:23:57.840
Cubic's cube and does not touch it. And that's like it's one of those

1143
01:23:57.840 --> 01:24:00.720
things where like with Time Pirates,
they're all scenes that because it's written by

1144
01:24:00.800 --> 01:24:03.920
people who worked on the show,
I can picture an episode. I can

1145
01:24:03.960 --> 01:24:09.000
picture this in motion and animation.
And of course, you know, I

1146
01:24:09.319 --> 01:24:13.800
do have to give a shout out
to Endigansolves and Stephanie Ramirez because these these

1147
01:24:13.880 --> 01:24:18.720
illustrations are drawings are sturning beautiful and
they're gorgeous, and especially the the black

1148
01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:25.439
Light edition just interweaves beautifully with the
illustrations, and yeah, they're just they're

1149
01:24:25.479 --> 01:24:28.680
they're fantastic. Yeah, I mean, it wouldn't be the Journal without that

1150
01:24:28.720 --> 01:24:31.119
stuff. And of course, yeah, yeah, for it is a fantastic

1151
01:24:31.479 --> 01:24:35.560
artist in universe. Well, all
of them all. I think every member

1152
01:24:35.600 --> 01:24:43.279
of the Pines family has established some
level of art skill. Okay, because

1153
01:24:43.359 --> 01:24:47.760
Seuss's drawings are simplistic, but you
could tell what you're looking at Dipper doodles

1154
01:24:47.840 --> 01:24:54.520
a little bit. Mabel is nearly
a professional artist at a renaissance Mabel at

1155
01:24:54.560 --> 01:25:00.479
everything she tries, and Stan stand
artist is part of Stan's title, Yeah,

1156
01:25:00.720 --> 01:25:02.359
artists, but he's an artist.
He does art at CON's right,

1157
01:25:03.359 --> 01:25:08.239
Is that what that phrase means.
I mean you also can't you can't come

1158
01:25:08.319 --> 01:25:13.760
up with those creatures in the museum
without a little bit of creed having a

1159
01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:17.399
creative vision. Yeah, that's a
very fertile creative. Yes, Andy and

1160
01:25:17.439 --> 01:25:21.680
Stephanie just knocked out of the park, massive, massive to that. Yes,

1161
01:25:21.960 --> 01:25:26.920
they are fantastic and we were very
lucky to have them both work on

1162
01:25:26.960 --> 01:25:30.600
this. And Stephanie also did the
art for your first book. Yes she

1163
01:25:30.640 --> 01:25:33.239
did, Yes, she did.
Yeah, she was a character designer in

1164
01:25:33.279 --> 01:25:39.960
the show and she came in i
think second season and she just was fantastic.

1165
01:25:40.000 --> 01:25:44.439
And you know, we we tasked
her with doing illustrations and she just

1166
01:25:45.720 --> 01:25:47.279
hit that out of the park.
And so we were very happy. This

1167
01:25:47.479 --> 01:25:49.760
was just too big of a job
for Andy to tackle on his own,

1168
01:25:49.800 --> 01:25:54.960
even though he was the one who
was doing the journal images that occurred in

1169
01:25:55.000 --> 01:26:00.520
the show for the most part.
And so that's why both of them were

1170
01:26:00.760 --> 01:26:02.640
brought onto this, because it would
just been too much for either one of

1171
01:26:02.640 --> 01:26:05.800
them to be able to tackle the
amount of time we had on their own.

1172
01:26:05.880 --> 01:26:11.159
So everybody did a stellar job and
you know, from beginning to end,

1173
01:26:11.159 --> 01:26:14.880
and yeah, it was just a
labor of love, and it was

1174
01:26:14.920 --> 01:26:15.960
really a joy. It was a
joy to It was a joy to writing.

1175
01:26:16.039 --> 01:26:19.640
It was so much fun. And
you know, the schedule was forgiving

1176
01:26:19.680 --> 01:26:24.359
because we were kind of not officially
on. We just were kind of doing

1177
01:26:24.439 --> 01:26:28.439
it in our spare time. And
you know, it wasn't we didn't given

1178
01:26:28.520 --> 01:26:30.800
a ton of time, but we
were given more time than we got on

1179
01:26:30.840 --> 01:26:33.720
anything else, really, you know
what I mean, Like the writing of

1180
01:26:33.720 --> 01:26:38.439
this was more extended than any the
episode of any writing of the show was

1181
01:26:39.439 --> 01:26:42.159
so it was it was It was
great. We had a great time with

1182
01:26:42.199 --> 01:26:46.720
it, and I loved just messing
around and writing stuff and you know,

1183
01:26:46.880 --> 01:26:49.920
figuring it all out. Like I
said, I you know, I went

1184
01:26:50.079 --> 01:26:55.319
screen grabbed everything. I'm not a
huge riddle person, but I do like

1185
01:26:55.520 --> 01:27:00.800
puzzles in a kind of virgo ish
way of like how of how to put

1186
01:27:00.800 --> 01:27:04.600
all this stuff together and make it
make sense that something that my mind enjoys.

1187
01:27:04.920 --> 01:27:08.600
I love that so much. That's
literally what I was doing with my

1188
01:27:08.680 --> 01:27:11.920
journal was like trying to figure out
where every that just it makes me so

1189
01:27:11.960 --> 01:27:15.640
happy that you guys were literally doing
the same thing that the fandom was doing

1190
01:27:15.199 --> 01:27:18.760
to create the journal for sure,
we talked about just that. I mean,

1191
01:27:18.800 --> 01:27:21.960
it's a stacked book and there will
be a link in the description to

1192
01:27:21.960 --> 01:27:27.279
purchase it. There's really we can't
we can't get into everything here. However,

1193
01:27:27.720 --> 01:27:30.680
wouldn't be the Gravity Falls fandom if
they were only concerned with the text.

1194
01:27:31.279 --> 01:27:35.840
There are big, big proponents into
reading between the lines. Oh yeah,

1195
01:27:35.920 --> 01:27:40.920
and the pines and the pines the
lines. So, Rob, do

1196
01:27:40.920 --> 01:27:44.199
you know where we're about to go? I don't. We're about to go

1197
01:27:44.279 --> 01:27:46.560
into the Hall of conspiracy. So
you've been there before, you're right?

1198
01:27:46.760 --> 01:27:54.039
Oh my god, I should have
seen this coming. Ladies and gentlemen of

1199
01:27:54.199 --> 01:28:04.920
conspiracy. Thank you, Sam.
So Rob, you have not been in

1200
01:28:05.039 --> 01:28:11.760
all conspiracies since our Scaryoke episode.
I'm guessing there's more exhibits the scene now

1201
01:28:11.840 --> 01:28:15.119
it's a few more. Yeah,
there's more exhibits. It's a little more

1202
01:28:15.239 --> 01:28:19.680
furnish. So vis are the cryptograms. There's a lot, It's a lot.

1203
01:28:19.920 --> 01:28:24.359
There are far too many to go
into. Individuals were going to list

1204
01:28:24.399 --> 01:28:27.560
all of them here. You can
purchase the book yourself or look on the

1205
01:28:27.920 --> 01:28:30.640
Gravity Falsehood. The wiki translates a
lot of them. Yeah, But according

1206
01:28:30.640 --> 01:28:33.760
to Alex, at least as of
the time of the DVD release, there

1207
01:28:33.760 --> 01:28:40.319
were and perhaps still are cryptograms yet
to be cracked. Rob, This is

1208
01:28:40.319 --> 01:28:42.560
probably no, because I know the
codes are all Alex. Do you happen

1209
01:28:42.600 --> 01:28:46.399
to know anything about red rectangles?
Yes, because on random parts of this

1210
01:28:46.479 --> 01:28:54.920
book there are a series of red
rectangles of varying lengths. Yeah, it's

1211
01:28:54.960 --> 01:29:00.439
almost reminds me of Morse code,
but it's not Morse code. I don't

1212
01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:03.039
know anything about this, Okay.
Kind of they low key remind me of

1213
01:29:03.079 --> 01:29:10.199
like scantron, like when you're doing
scantrone. So Ford Ford Ford wrote a

1214
01:29:10.520 --> 01:29:13.880
do not write on this page.
Fill in the bubble completely with a number

1215
01:29:13.880 --> 01:29:16.960
two pencil. That's what it says. We can't any stray marks. Anything

1216
01:29:17.039 --> 01:29:20.680
is possible. We need to do
a scan tron to read the missing code.

1217
01:29:20.800 --> 01:29:26.359
So if anyone at home has a
home scantron, let's see what grade

1218
01:29:26.439 --> 01:29:29.760
Ford would get on his journal.
Well, I know that normally the way

1219
01:29:29.800 --> 01:29:33.319
that those work in Scantron's are like
it's the key, it's the key for

1220
01:29:33.399 --> 01:29:36.920
the scantron. So like you cut
out those little things and you lay them

1221
01:29:36.920 --> 01:29:41.119
on the page that you can see, Okay, where everything is. It

1222
01:29:41.239 --> 01:29:44.640
kind of reminds me of a scantron, but I don't know. I like

1223
01:29:44.680 --> 01:29:47.279
it, it's it's still unsolved,
though. I really dig that a mystery

1224
01:29:47.279 --> 01:29:49.800
shack. Look back at gmail dot
com if you're like, wait, that

1225
01:29:49.880 --> 01:29:54.359
was unsolved. Oh yeah, well
I already have that in the margins of

1226
01:29:54.399 --> 01:29:58.880
my oops. And I know that
that. The question about the red rectangle

1227
01:29:58.960 --> 01:30:04.159
specifically was by one of our discord
members, Junel, who also who guessed

1228
01:30:04.159 --> 01:30:08.680
it in our Love God episode briefly
to educate us, do you know is

1229
01:30:08.720 --> 01:30:12.800
the master at solving cryptograms? Ella
and I were actually taught everything we know

1230
01:30:12.920 --> 01:30:17.239
about solving cryptograms by Juno Series,
who you have said their name in the

1231
01:30:17.239 --> 01:30:20.439
Patreon shadouts before. Yeah, that's
right. We didn't know anything about the

1232
01:30:20.520 --> 01:30:25.079
Visionaire cipher until Juno told us,
so shout out too. On the nome

1233
01:30:25.159 --> 01:30:30.159
page. There's a code in the
Visionaire Keischmebuloc that is from Smebuloc's perspective,

1234
01:30:30.199 --> 01:30:33.960
but it's also the same one from
legend of the Norme Gemulates, which makes

1235
01:30:33.960 --> 01:30:39.960
sense because Alex wrote that, well, yeah, and that is us follows

1236
01:30:40.199 --> 01:30:44.920
mine is but a solitary existence,
I read, I ponder, I stare

1237
01:30:44.960 --> 01:30:48.399
at the heavens Bounty. This is
our world, but cruel is the master

1238
01:30:48.520 --> 01:30:54.279
of it who condemned me to say
but only my name. Perhaps my isolation

1239
01:30:54.479 --> 01:30:59.199
is my gift, for it is
only in the separation from others that a

1240
01:30:59.319 --> 01:31:02.880
mind can try truly be free.
And thanks to Brian Carroll for voicing that

1241
01:31:03.000 --> 01:31:09.359
code of Schmebulock, you will likely
hear more of him as Schmebuloc next time.

1242
01:31:09.560 --> 01:31:12.479
But it's kind of sad that Schmebulock
can only say his own name and

1243
01:31:12.600 --> 01:31:15.319
like never gets a break from it
ever until our next episode. Perrat.

1244
01:31:15.640 --> 01:31:21.520
On the A Bit of History page, in combined symbol substitution cipher, it

1245
01:31:21.640 --> 01:31:27.920
says has Shaman to build first portal, Big mistake. The thing was made

1246
01:31:27.920 --> 01:31:31.800
out of twigs. Guy lit himself
on fire trying to end my brain drama,

1247
01:31:31.920 --> 01:31:34.920
Queen So On the July twenty ninth
page, which is just before we

1248
01:31:34.960 --> 01:31:41.920
are introduced to Fiddleford as the assistant, there is a combined simple substitution cipher

1249
01:31:41.920 --> 01:31:45.239
that reads one peakin of my dimension, and this bumpkin lost his weak little

1250
01:31:45.279 --> 01:31:49.560
mind. All he saw was me
removing my exoskeleton to feed. If you

1251
01:31:49.600 --> 01:31:54.359
can't take the heat, get out
of the kitchen jack. So that's that's

1252
01:31:54.359 --> 01:32:00.159
what dramatized Fiddle first on the scrambled
cipher wheel page and combined symbol substitution cipher.

1253
01:32:00.159 --> 01:32:04.439
Never trust the witch. They'll curse
your ear and turn you into an

1254
01:32:04.439 --> 01:32:10.800
immoral goat. So I hear.
And that connects to the question someone asked

1255
01:32:10.880 --> 01:32:14.159
him the bill Ama about Gompers,
and Bill saying I like him better this

1256
01:32:14.199 --> 01:32:18.920
way. Very very interesting, Okay. So on the UFO pages in Bill's

1257
01:32:19.000 --> 01:32:25.479
symbol cipher, it says some tiny
Ilium specimens may have survived, perhaps hiding

1258
01:32:25.479 --> 01:32:30.960
in the town in robots disguised as
humans, and in Caesar, perhaps the

1259
01:32:30.000 --> 01:32:34.760
ship was on a mission to catalog
strange biological specimens. Could the high volume

1260
01:32:34.800 --> 01:32:41.239
of weirdness on board have drawn the
ship to gravity falls, to GF to

1261
01:32:41.279 --> 01:32:46.720
glut girlfriend to its girlfriend. Yeah, so maybe there are some tiny alien

1262
01:32:46.800 --> 01:32:50.119
specimens hiding in the town in robots
disguised as humans. Who knows, well

1263
01:32:50.239 --> 01:33:00.199
there were? Ah, that's right. I love the idea that they had

1264
01:33:00.239 --> 01:33:04.079
at one point a full human robot
suit and just lost the right side at

1265
01:33:04.079 --> 01:33:09.119
one point, like it just broke. It's never where we think we put

1266
01:33:09.119 --> 01:33:11.840
it, you know. Yeah,
don't worry, they're all left now.

1267
01:33:13.399 --> 01:33:16.119
Ford finds a letter in the Gravity
Falls Library that is accompanied with an etching

1268
01:33:16.119 --> 01:33:19.800
of a key and the word pines. And though he can't crack the code,

1269
01:33:20.199 --> 01:33:25.760
we can use the vision Air cipher
to discover a letter from blendin Blandon

1270
01:33:25.800 --> 01:33:29.279
and in the special edition journal the
letter is removable and you can see the

1271
01:33:29.439 --> 01:33:35.079
translation underneath, Hey different mabel of
blendin here. I'm currently living in the

1272
01:33:35.159 --> 01:33:39.600
year eighteen eighty three, and I
hit this letter in hopes that it would

1273
01:33:39.600 --> 01:33:44.439
one day reach you. I got
the idea from the movie Return Backwards to

1274
01:33:44.479 --> 01:33:49.439
the Past against Free, which is
required feeling for Time Academy freshmen. You've

1275
01:33:49.439 --> 01:33:55.000
probably got a lot of questions and
after the offensive, weird beginning, man,

1276
01:33:55.159 --> 01:34:00.319
I don't blame you. So here's
what happened after Klabnar. I was

1277
01:34:00.319 --> 01:34:04.239
getting a lot of flak for losing
a gladiator fight to two children, even

1278
01:34:04.239 --> 01:34:08.359
though I got my job back.
Thanks for that. By the way,

1279
01:34:08.560 --> 01:34:15.039
my fellow officers kept calling me harmful
nicknames. Time Baby himself called me no

1280
01:34:15.319 --> 01:34:18.840
friend in Brandon. Do you know
what it's like to live like that?

1281
01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:25.279
Just as I was thinking I would
give anything for Time Baby's respect. This

1282
01:34:25.520 --> 01:34:29.720
weird Triangle guy showed up in my
dreams and said that he would make sure

1283
01:34:29.920 --> 01:34:32.880
Time Baby never bothered me again.
All I had to do was shake his

1284
01:34:33.000 --> 01:34:40.960
hand. I've never been great at
making decisions under pressure, and well you

1285
01:34:41.079 --> 01:34:45.119
know the rest. When I awoke, that's Stipen Triangle and use my body

1286
01:34:45.159 --> 01:34:53.039
to travel through time and destroy the
entire universe and Time Baby too. Luckily,

1287
01:34:53.359 --> 01:34:58.520
Time Baby isn't dead exactly. It
will take one thousand years for his

1288
01:34:58.720 --> 01:35:03.800
molecules to reconctitude, and when they
do, boy is he gonna be cranky.

1289
01:35:04.560 --> 01:35:10.159
The Time agents also survived. They
only send their hollow projections out on

1290
01:35:10.279 --> 01:35:15.960
dangerous missions, but Love and Doctrine
were furious about what I did. Of

1291
01:35:15.079 --> 01:35:19.560
course, this means that there's a
dimension wide man out of agents trying to

1292
01:35:19.640 --> 01:35:25.359
find me and bring me to justice. But it was all a mistake.

1293
01:35:26.119 --> 01:35:29.319
The last thing I want is to
go back to jail, so I've been

1294
01:35:29.439 --> 01:35:32.640
cutting out in the past. It
was fun for a while seeing the sights

1295
01:35:33.119 --> 01:35:38.680
chatting with historical figures, visiting the
fifties to try to learn the twist.

1296
01:35:39.479 --> 01:35:44.840
I accidentally twisted my ankle and couldn't
walk for a week. I wanted to

1297
01:35:44.920 --> 01:35:47.600
check out the Old West too,
but when I traveled here, I accidentally

1298
01:35:47.680 --> 01:35:51.720
appeared right in front of a train, and my time table chattered into fifty

1299
01:35:51.840 --> 01:35:56.840
pieces. Also, I think the
train might have gone off the rails.

1300
01:35:57.359 --> 01:36:00.800
Hopefully that isn't in the history books. Anyway, I just wanted to say

1301
01:36:00.960 --> 01:36:05.560
not to worry about me. I've
managed to blend into the populace, and

1302
01:36:05.680 --> 01:36:11.199
I got a job as a pocket
batch repairman. I've also cooked one of

1303
01:36:11.199 --> 01:36:15.279
those cool gold brush over diseases that
are so popular in these times, and

1304
01:36:15.560 --> 01:36:19.800
I am loving the nostalgia. Thanks
for all your health, and if any

1305
01:36:19.840 --> 01:36:26.640
time agents come looking for me,
tell them you don't know nothing. Blend

1306
01:36:26.720 --> 01:36:32.439
in blundement. Blend in eighteen eighty
three was the blending letter. You were

1307
01:36:32.520 --> 01:36:40.760
hersh or a combination that was hersh
Okay? Gotcha? Cause there's it's heavily

1308
01:36:40.800 --> 01:36:44.399
referencing Back to the Future three,
So that's where I felt it could A

1309
01:36:44.439 --> 01:36:47.000
guy could have gone either way because
you're a big sci fi fan. I

1310
01:36:47.039 --> 01:36:50.319
am not a big fan of Abag
the Future three, however, but I

1311
01:36:50.520 --> 01:36:54.760
see I like it better than Back
to the Future too. But you know,

1312
01:36:55.000 --> 01:36:58.279
same. Yeah, Okay, that's
always an interesting question. It's definitely

1313
01:36:59.279 --> 01:37:02.840
again feeling like something that everyone kind
of was like, okay, well what

1314
01:37:02.920 --> 01:37:06.079
happened there. It's a it's a
loose end that you're kind of tying off

1315
01:37:06.119 --> 01:37:10.479
neatly. We are trying to tie
as many loose ends office we possibly can't.

1316
01:37:10.520 --> 01:37:15.760
Oh, it is a beautiful work
of nodding and tying and knots.

1317
01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:20.680
I love also that it is in
the initial backstory section, despite the fact

1318
01:37:20.680 --> 01:37:26.119
that it is post series, because
he's a time traveler and this is something

1319
01:37:26.279 --> 01:37:30.319
Forward found in the Gravity Falls Library, right, yes, exactly beautiful.

1320
01:37:30.399 --> 01:37:34.199
Journal three also gives us more information
about the Oshlot, who we met in

1321
01:37:34.319 --> 01:37:40.119
the secret ending of course of the
Time Pirates Treasure and this is a really

1322
01:37:40.760 --> 01:37:45.800
mysterious weird characters. Yeah, Bill
praise when he dies to some kind of

1323
01:37:46.199 --> 01:37:51.000
deity and then, uh, there's
a little tiny bit of information about that

1324
01:37:51.039 --> 01:37:55.960
in Time Pirates. There's a little
tiny bit of information about that in Journal

1325
01:37:56.000 --> 01:37:59.760
three, and uh, I guess
a little more. It's a I would

1326
01:37:59.800 --> 01:38:02.119
call it more than Time Pirates,
not a lot, never an explanation.

1327
01:38:02.359 --> 01:38:06.800
It's all there for basically the fans
to kind of come up with their own

1328
01:38:08.199 --> 01:38:11.039
to read into it as they will. Yeah, can you speak on that,

1329
01:38:11.119 --> 01:38:15.840
Rob? Were you involved with this
aslo? I was involved, So

1330
01:38:15.119 --> 01:38:17.600
I know very I don't know much
more than you guys do, but I

1331
01:38:17.720 --> 01:38:21.279
kind of enjoyed that knowing everything interesting. It feels. Yeah, it definitely

1332
01:38:21.359 --> 01:38:25.800
it's a fascinating unsolved mystery to me. And it feels like the kind of

1333
01:38:25.800 --> 01:38:30.479
thing that like Alex probably has an
idea about, but is one of those

1334
01:38:30.479 --> 01:38:32.880
things that he's keeping in his pocket
in case it's ever revisited. Sure,

1335
01:38:32.960 --> 01:38:39.079
and you know they're the I think
the idea is that though Bill is you

1336
01:38:39.119 --> 01:38:42.319
know, no Bill pretty fully and
we know a lot about Bill, we

1337
01:38:42.560 --> 01:38:46.119
there are things beyond that are more
powerful to him that we know less about.

1338
01:38:46.279 --> 01:38:49.399
And there's probably, yeah, exactly
things beyond that that we know nothing

1339
01:38:49.439 --> 01:38:53.479
about. And that is the way
of the universe. Yeah, and I

1340
01:38:53.880 --> 01:38:57.960
love that. Again, it's making
it feel like a much more real and

1341
01:38:58.159 --> 01:39:02.399
the Shelby said lived in universe.
So a lot more theories were sparked.

1342
01:39:02.479 --> 01:39:12.520
This one comes from future robot Blocks
on the subreddit and it is titled bill

1343
01:39:13.000 --> 01:39:17.159
Ford, Stan and the Ashlote.
Hey everyone today, I've been thinking hard

1344
01:39:17.159 --> 01:39:23.479
about the meaning of the Ashalote and
its connections with Bill Ford and Stan after

1345
01:39:23.560 --> 01:39:29.159
finishing Journal three and seeing the Aschelote
ending for the Time Pirates book, I

1346
01:39:29.239 --> 01:39:34.279
believe I've made a pretty reasonable theory
as to the significance of Bill's backwards message,

1347
01:39:34.840 --> 01:39:40.199
the Oracle, and the meaning of
the Ashlote itself. That's right because

1348
01:39:40.239 --> 01:39:44.439
Ford meets this alien creature, the
Oracle, that has a tapestry of the

1349
01:39:44.520 --> 01:39:47.319
Showloat behind it in the illustration.
The oracle also is the one who installs

1350
01:39:47.399 --> 01:39:53.159
the metal plate in for it's head
and is from dimension fifty two. So

1351
01:39:53.279 --> 01:39:59.760
when Ford's thought reading scanner thing says
I missed dimension fifty two, he's talking

1352
01:39:59.760 --> 01:40:03.119
about the Oracle. I think they
probably had a fling or something that's pretty

1353
01:40:03.159 --> 01:40:10.439
cute that is meant to be one
of his kind of mischances at romantic happiness.

1354
01:40:11.439 --> 01:40:14.800
Interesting. Ah, man, you
know what I'm gonna be. I'm

1355
01:40:14.800 --> 01:40:18.119
gonna be real here. She's hotter
than Kathy Crenshaw. Ford, you could

1356
01:40:18.119 --> 01:40:23.319
do better Kathy Crenshaw. She's only
got like two eyes. So first up,

1357
01:40:23.600 --> 01:40:27.479
let's review what Bill says in his
backwards message at the end of weird

1358
01:40:27.520 --> 01:40:38.119
mcgeddon three. Ye. Now,
as we've discussed on the subreddit many times

1359
01:40:38.199 --> 01:40:44.199
before, Ashloites have the nifty ability
to regenerate limbs they can regrow. This

1360
01:40:44.319 --> 01:40:47.039
seems to suggest Bill is trying to
come back in the future, further evidenced

1361
01:40:47.079 --> 01:40:50.960
by him invoking the ancient power that
he may return. This was the commonly

1362
01:40:50.960 --> 01:40:55.880
accepted theory, but now that the
Time Pirates and Journal three are out,

1363
01:40:55.920 --> 01:40:59.079
they give us some more ideas to
play around with. In Time Pirates,

1364
01:40:59.119 --> 01:41:02.760
you can find this Dipper and maybe
will find the Achelote. And when Dipper

1365
01:41:02.840 --> 01:41:08.159
asks him what he knows about Bill, he says an interesting tidbit. If

1366
01:41:08.199 --> 01:41:11.000
he wants to shirk the blame,
he'll have to invoke my name one way

1367
01:41:11.039 --> 01:41:15.680
to absolve his crime a different form
a different time shirk means to avoid Bill

1368
01:41:15.720 --> 01:41:18.680
in order to avoid the blame has
to invoke his name, the Aschelote,

1369
01:41:19.279 --> 01:41:24.439
and we can see that he also
said invoke in his backwards message. Absolved

1370
01:41:24.560 --> 01:41:28.840
means to set or declare someone free
of blame, guilt, or responsibility.

1371
01:41:28.880 --> 01:41:32.159
This part also mentions a different form
in time and the last Sholoate information we

1372
01:41:32.239 --> 01:41:38.039
get is in Journal three near the
end when Ford is writing about his time

1373
01:41:38.079 --> 01:41:41.840
in the portal. There is a
page about him discovering a group of refugees.

1374
01:41:42.439 --> 01:41:45.319
When Ford reveals his plans to destroy
Bill to the group, they all

1375
01:41:45.439 --> 01:41:50.239
yelled praise theolote. Finally, in
the page about the oracle, she says

1376
01:41:50.239 --> 01:41:55.800
to Ford that he has the face
of a man who is destined to destroy

1377
01:41:55.920 --> 01:42:00.920
Bill. Guess who's behind the oracle
and the illustration behind her pictures of a

1378
01:42:00.000 --> 01:42:04.640
showloats. So we have all this
evidence, but what to do with it?

1379
01:42:05.239 --> 01:42:10.399
Well, here's my two cents on
everything. The showloat is the chosen

1380
01:42:10.439 --> 01:42:15.720
one destined to defeat Bill? Why? Well, Firstly, the refugees say

1381
01:42:15.720 --> 01:42:20.039
praise the showlaes when Ford discusses his
plans to defeat Bill, like they're calling

1382
01:42:20.199 --> 01:42:24.880
Ford the a showload. Also,
the oracle, who says to Ford that

1383
01:42:24.920 --> 01:42:29.159
he looks like a man who could
defeat Bill, has pictures of a showlas

1384
01:42:29.199 --> 01:42:31.760
behind her. Basically, it seems
like they're calling Ford the chosen one for

1385
01:42:31.800 --> 01:42:35.800
defeating Bill. But in the end, who defeats him Stanley by getting his

1386
01:42:35.840 --> 01:42:40.720
memory wiped and trapping Bill inside his
mind. Destiny has always played a part

1387
01:42:40.720 --> 01:42:43.960
in the series, as a whole
with the zodiac and other small occurrences.

1388
01:42:44.199 --> 01:42:48.000
It seems like Destiny confused San and
Ford because they're twins and somehow Fate couldn't

1389
01:42:48.000 --> 01:42:51.800
tell them apart. Remember how the
oracle said he had the face of a

1390
01:42:51.800 --> 01:42:56.760
man destined to destroy Bill? Well, guess who looks very similar to Ford

1391
01:42:56.960 --> 01:43:00.640
Stanley does? And guess what Stan
has had in the living room the entire

1392
01:43:00.680 --> 01:43:03.119
shut well, most of the some
of the show and a Show loook in

1393
01:43:03.359 --> 01:43:08.680
his fish tank. But what does
everything else mean? Well for the actual

1394
01:43:09.319 --> 01:43:13.960
Dipper and Mabel, se I think
that's actually Bill communicating from inside Stan's mind,

1395
01:43:14.319 --> 01:43:16.520
Bill the Asheloud's mind. Bill does
like to speak in rhymes, But

1396
01:43:16.560 --> 01:43:21.000
why does Bill invoke the Ascheloud's name
Stanley's name. He's trying to get Stan

1397
01:43:21.119 --> 01:43:26.840
to forgive him. You see,
with Bill in Stan's mind, the only

1398
01:43:26.880 --> 01:43:30.439
way he could probably come back is
getting Stand to remember and forgive him.

1399
01:43:30.920 --> 01:43:35.119
Therefore, Bill is shirking the blame, which will let him move to a

1400
01:43:35.159 --> 01:43:42.199
different form a different time. What's
the different form, Well, maybe it's

1401
01:43:42.199 --> 01:43:45.560
a bird that's been following Mabel and
Dipper around all summer, sitting on the

1402
01:43:45.600 --> 01:43:50.359
cipher statue and looking in the attic
window at the end of weird mcgeddon three.

1403
01:43:50.880 --> 01:43:54.680
Anyways, that was my theory.
Thank you for reading, if you

1404
01:43:54.720 --> 01:43:57.039
took the time to do so.
There may be some holes in it,

1405
01:43:57.079 --> 01:44:00.199
but I work my hardest on it. Do you have any idea? Yes,

1406
01:44:00.319 --> 01:44:02.720
you guys tell me down below.
Thanks too long, didn't read.

1407
01:44:03.119 --> 01:44:06.159
Stan is the a shoload destined destroy
Bill, and the only way Bill can

1408
01:44:06.239 --> 01:44:11.680
escape Stan's mind is having Stan remember
and forgive him, taking the blame from

1409
01:44:11.720 --> 01:44:17.159
Bill and freeing him, turning him
into a board into a boid, the

1410
01:44:17.319 --> 01:44:25.159
boy him into a boid. They
turned the triangle into a bird, fascinating.

1411
01:44:25.319 --> 01:44:30.039
One of the comments as the theorist
invited responses, there was a response

1412
01:44:30.079 --> 01:44:39.560
from the user named cos confused arm
cos of co subfused about that, and

1413
01:44:39.640 --> 01:44:43.479
they said, Nope, Destiny and
the Oracle had it spot on. You're

1414
01:44:43.520 --> 01:44:47.199
making the assumption that somehow Destiny,
a supernatural cosmic force, was being wrong.

1415
01:44:47.560 --> 01:44:51.000
Not very likely. Here's the catch. She never said it was actually

1416
01:44:51.079 --> 01:44:55.399
him. She only said that Ford
had the face of a man who was

1417
01:44:55.439 --> 01:44:58.760
going to destroy Bill. She was
very much implying that it was not Ford.

1418
01:44:58.840 --> 01:45:00.840
But who we know is Stan and
was going to do it, and

1419
01:45:00.920 --> 01:45:05.399
I think I definitely, I definitely
vibe with that interpretation more. But it's

1420
01:45:05.399 --> 01:45:10.079
interesting that there is another theory about, like, oh, Stan is actually

1421
01:45:10.640 --> 01:45:14.560
this because last time we talked about
the same coin theory in which Stan is

1422
01:45:14.560 --> 01:45:16.960
theorized to be another form of Bill, But here it's like, oh,

1423
01:45:17.000 --> 01:45:23.319
maybe maybe Stan is the A showload
instead. In another Reddit thread trying to

1424
01:45:23.359 --> 01:45:28.520
determine who, or what or how
is the A Showload, dank Slayer two

1425
01:45:28.520 --> 01:45:32.439
thousand and one posits, I think
he's the keeper of time and space.

1426
01:45:32.680 --> 01:45:38.119
He lives in between space time and
is so powerful he can give being's new

1427
01:45:38.159 --> 01:45:44.119
life. Bell underscores sans underscore mayor
c which, by the way means beautiful

1428
01:45:44.159 --> 01:45:48.560
sans thank you, Oh beautiful sands
thank you. The A sholoat no relation

1429
01:45:48.680 --> 01:45:51.600
to the A showlae in Grunkle Stan's
fish tank, as far as I know,

1430
01:45:53.079 --> 01:45:56.600
is some kind of watcher esque figure, as in the Watcher from Marvel,

1431
01:45:56.680 --> 01:46:00.680
who keeps an eye on things,
including Bill. Apparently Bill hates him,

1432
01:46:00.680 --> 01:46:02.840
but he needs his help to raise
himself from the dead. What exactly

1433
01:46:02.880 --> 01:46:08.920
that entails, we just don't know. And then user Tesseract six eighteen says

1434
01:46:09.119 --> 01:46:14.520
he looks like the big Good in
the Gravity Falls universe, far more powerful

1435
01:46:14.560 --> 01:46:18.640
than Bill too. And I love
just all these different interpretations. I personally

1436
01:46:18.720 --> 01:46:23.600
like the idea that the Ishoload is
just god like. He's just straight up

1437
01:46:23.640 --> 01:46:31.199
got like. Is like this is
a monotheistic multiverse, and it's just it's

1438
01:46:31.239 --> 01:46:35.199
just a Mexican water dog in the
center of space and time, controlling everything

1439
01:46:35.239 --> 01:46:39.880
and watching over everything. I know
what. Of course, of course you

1440
01:46:39.920 --> 01:46:42.920
were right all along. I mean
it makes as much sense as anything else

1441
01:46:43.000 --> 01:46:46.239
right, and soots are so done
cute. It's true. We have some

1442
01:46:46.439 --> 01:46:53.119
fan mail here from a listener named
Honey. This no relation, no relation

1443
01:46:53.199 --> 01:46:59.840
to Charlie's rabbits unfortunately, two big
buttons for typing yea, Honey, and

1444
01:47:00.279 --> 01:47:04.119
they have written us regarding our Rudemageddon
episodes. So I'm going to start off

1445
01:47:04.119 --> 01:47:09.279
with the Bill theme song, because
when y'all started playing it, I literally

1446
01:47:09.439 --> 01:47:13.399
started crying. It brought me back
to when I was in middle school listening

1447
01:47:13.399 --> 01:47:18.479
to it and making my own little
Bill Cipher animetics, and man, I

1448
01:47:18.560 --> 01:47:21.960
miss that time. Not really,
I'm pretty sure I broke my rip that

1449
01:47:23.039 --> 01:47:27.000
year. It was not great,
but gravity Falls was still going. Alex's

1450
01:47:27.039 --> 01:47:30.239
breakup letter to the fans was very
well written and much better than the last

1451
01:47:30.239 --> 01:47:33.680
two breakups I've heard about, and
it felt nice. I did cry a

1452
01:47:33.680 --> 01:47:36.520
bit again, but I will always
cry at the end of Gravity Falls.

1453
01:47:36.760 --> 01:47:41.039
I'm very glad that y'all started this
podcast and then I had the pleasure of

1454
01:47:41.039 --> 01:47:45.800
finding it while looking for another gravity
Falls related media. How I coped with

1455
01:47:45.840 --> 01:47:50.279
the ends of Gravity Falls, I
didn't, but seriously, I never stopped

1456
01:47:50.319 --> 01:47:55.079
being obsessed with it. Never a
day goes by that I don't think about

1457
01:47:55.119 --> 01:48:00.800
Gravity Falls. I did get the
journal three I really wanted special edition,

1458
01:48:00.079 --> 01:48:05.079
but sadly didn't get a copy which
for just three thousand, just three four

1459
01:48:05.199 --> 01:48:11.960
hundred dollars, specifically thirty four hundred
dollars or forty five hundred dollars, which

1460
01:48:11.960 --> 01:48:15.880
I will have to get a new
one because that one I'm pretty sure went

1461
01:48:15.960 --> 01:48:19.680
up in flames. Literally. Oh
no. I remember making a dipper hat

1462
01:48:19.800 --> 01:48:24.199
out of a Braves hat and I
tried to undo the embroidery on it,

1463
01:48:24.239 --> 01:48:28.359
but that was hard, so I
painted over it. Also lost that hat,

1464
01:48:29.279 --> 01:48:32.840
and of course talking about it and
investing all my free time diving into

1465
01:48:32.840 --> 01:48:38.960
gravity falls media and fan media,
and every time I watched the finale,

1466
01:48:39.239 --> 01:48:43.399
I cry same. Thank you all
for doing this podcast and allowing me to

1467
01:48:43.600 --> 01:48:46.600
go back to when I was younger
and experiencing gravity falls for the first time.

1468
01:48:47.079 --> 01:48:53.640
Gratzia tb Amigus quote hook facies now
can you now? Can you do

1469
01:48:53.680 --> 01:48:59.439
it like the Society of the Blind
Eye like ancient chat Tia tb Amigos quote

1470
01:48:59.479 --> 01:49:05.239
whole facies? That would be uh
you really chanted Latin for thank you for

1471
01:49:05.279 --> 01:49:12.000
doing this, signed Honey Harmon.
They then and their cat Bean, how

1472
01:49:12.079 --> 01:49:14.439
much of that do you? What
do you think there was the distribution of

1473
01:49:14.560 --> 01:49:19.039
labor? There was this like Alex
Hirsch Rob Brinzetti situation. I think kat

1474
01:49:19.159 --> 01:49:25.319
Bean and its all being Oh,
the problem is that cat Bean speaks English,

1475
01:49:25.319 --> 01:49:30.319
Honey Harmon only speaks Latin. So
yes, we have the exact distribution

1476
01:49:30.359 --> 01:49:32.600
of labor right there. Yes,
what do you think kat Bean, gra

1477
01:49:32.840 --> 01:49:38.920
ti Os, TB and me the
stupidest podcast in the world. I'm gonna

1478
01:49:38.920 --> 01:49:43.279
miss it so I love it.
I guess that about wraps up our our

1479
01:49:43.920 --> 01:49:47.439
journal journey. Thank you so much, robrin Zetti for for talking to us

1480
01:49:47.439 --> 01:49:54.600
about your gravity falls magnum Opus here. Really it's it's it's a fantastic piece

1481
01:49:54.840 --> 01:50:00.600
and it shows off your your writing
prowess excellently, I think, Well,

1482
01:50:00.640 --> 01:50:03.199
thank you very much. Is there
anything you'd like to plug? Well,

1483
01:50:03.279 --> 01:50:08.800
yeah, I mean you can follow
me at roberins Eddie on Twitter, and

1484
01:50:09.199 --> 01:50:12.199
I have an Instagram as well,
but I can't remember that damn thing for

1485
01:50:12.279 --> 01:50:17.800
the life and I'm barely there on
Instagram more often, but I'm on Twitter

1486
01:50:17.920 --> 01:50:23.960
pretty regularly, Yeah, posting lots
of teenage robot behind the scenes aren't working.

1487
01:50:24.000 --> 01:50:26.920
Yeah, yeah, I just saw
talking about other stuff they're doing,

1488
01:50:27.000 --> 01:50:30.720
like a pin for the tenth anniversary, right, there's this like yeah,

1489
01:50:30.800 --> 01:50:32.920
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the the what's the name of the

1490
01:50:34.199 --> 01:50:38.159
monkey or something? Yeah, yeah, zen monkey. They do, they

1491
01:50:38.199 --> 01:50:40.920
do teenage robot pins. I got
them, got them all a great Yeah,

1492
01:50:40.920 --> 01:50:44.319
they have this really cool one coming
up for Yeah. They do a

1493
01:50:44.319 --> 01:50:46.840
little bit of merch for the show. Do you know how many years later?

1494
01:50:46.880 --> 01:50:49.279
But so, yeah, I'm on
Twitter, and of course I've got

1495
01:50:49.279 --> 01:50:54.359
the book coming up from Penguin Random
House next year twenty twenty three. The

1496
01:50:54.520 --> 01:50:59.239
Horrible Bag of Terrible Things excited.
It's the first book in a trilogy.

1497
01:50:59.439 --> 01:51:01.000
I've seen the cover and it's looking
great. I don't know when I'm going

1498
01:51:01.039 --> 01:51:05.119
to be able to reveal that,
I hope soon and working on I'm working

1499
01:51:05.119 --> 01:51:09.479
on book two as we speak.
Yeah, if you enjoyed Journal three,

1500
01:51:09.520 --> 01:51:14.119
I guarantee you you're gonna get super
excited as we are for the Horrible Bag

1501
01:51:14.159 --> 01:51:16.720
of Terrible Things. There will be
a podcast about it on this same feed

1502
01:51:16.840 --> 01:51:23.880
y when it is really excited.
Of course, if you are interested in

1503
01:51:24.000 --> 01:51:29.840
acquiring a copy of Journal three for
free, we actually are about to set

1504
01:51:29.920 --> 01:51:36.359
up a little listener contest, Oh
how lovely, with giveaway for not just

1505
01:51:36.760 --> 01:51:44.199
Gravity Falls Journal three, but also
the DVD box set Season one, Season

1506
01:51:44.239 --> 01:51:47.359
two in special Features, and the
three DS game Legend of nome Gemulance.

1507
01:51:47.439 --> 01:51:53.319
So if you like to win all
three of those things, these fabulous prizes.

1508
01:51:53.680 --> 01:52:00.159
Yeah, ramping up to close here, we really want to do a

1509
01:52:00.159 --> 01:52:02.039
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of fun with this and have a lot

1510
01:52:02.039 --> 01:52:06.920
of fun memories of this podcast.
So please tweet your if you're interested in

1511
01:52:06.960 --> 01:52:11.680
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1512
01:52:11.760 --> 01:52:16.159
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1513
01:52:16.520 --> 01:52:20.199
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1514
01:52:20.439 --> 01:52:28.039
describing the moment gives you one entry, and if you actually include the clip

1515
01:52:28.520 --> 01:52:33.239
embedded on Twitter and video format,
that counts as two entry. They do

1516
01:52:33.560 --> 01:52:36.399
allow audio uploads as well now,
so you can oh, they allow audio

1517
01:52:36.520 --> 01:52:39.760
up. Yeah, so that works
too. If you want to find more

1518
01:52:39.800 --> 01:52:45.439
episodes of this podcast that we are
almost at the very end of Wow,

1519
01:52:45.520 --> 01:52:47.399
that's well, there's the vinyl coming
out. I know, I know,

1520
01:52:47.560 --> 01:52:54.000
but it's the end of the main
run I would say is momentous. And

1521
01:52:54.199 --> 01:52:57.119
you can go to our host networkipe
dream podcast dot com, where you can

1522
01:52:57.119 --> 01:52:59.880
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1524
01:53:04.199 --> 01:53:08.199
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1525
01:53:08.239 --> 01:53:11.960
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1526
01:53:12.000 --> 01:53:14.479
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1527
01:53:14.520 --> 01:53:17.479
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1528
01:53:17.520 --> 01:53:21.960
or an art commission from myself.
Check out our merch store at crowdmaid dot

1529
01:53:21.960 --> 01:53:27.680
com, slash Collection, slash Mystery
Shack, send us an email about whatever

1530
01:53:27.720 --> 01:53:32.399
you want. Uh. There are
an infinite amount of ways to interpret the

1531
01:53:32.560 --> 01:53:38.960
show load and its relationship to Bill
and its relationship to the Oracle true,

1532
01:53:39.000 --> 01:53:42.960
so you can send us. Yeah, send us your interpretation, your theories

1533
01:53:42.960 --> 01:53:49.720
about the show loa or your shrines
to the show load at mystery Yeah yeah

1534
01:53:50.119 --> 01:53:58.119
if you have one too, or
sugar gliders or rabbits true. Do you

1535
01:53:58.159 --> 01:54:01.079
have any pictures of your showload us
like Grunkle Stan send it, send it

1536
01:54:01.079 --> 01:54:05.840
our way. Oh yeah, oh
yeah, that'll confirm their theory of course.

1537
01:54:06.119 --> 01:54:11.479
I would like to thank Prian Brian
for making the instrumental to our theme

1538
01:54:11.560 --> 01:54:15.520
song. I would like to thank
Alex Hirsch for voicing stan in the Hall

1539
01:54:15.560 --> 01:54:21.079
of Conspiracies intro and voicing our Patreon
shout outs along with Jason Ritter. I

1540
01:54:21.079 --> 01:54:27.720
would like to thank Tsunami Holmes for
the Stanford font that is used in our

1541
01:54:27.840 --> 01:54:33.119
thumbnails. Adam, I appreciate that
you cataloged all your findings about the nature

1542
01:54:33.239 --> 01:54:36.680
of our our spit in a series
of journals. I don't know if it

1543
01:54:36.720 --> 01:54:43.920
was necessary, but I appreciate the
effort, and of course I would like

1544
01:54:43.960 --> 01:54:48.800
to thank Simon the timbal V two
hyphen zero, who has been our soundtrack

1545
01:54:49.000 --> 01:54:53.680
to the Hall of Conspiracies. We
introduced it and I think our third episode,

1546
01:54:54.159 --> 01:54:57.800
and we've always played a brief little
snippet of the instrumental. But uh,

1547
01:54:58.920 --> 01:55:01.920
there ain't gonna be two too many
more visits to the Hall of unfortunately.

1548
01:55:02.039 --> 01:55:05.279
Yeah, so we're all, you
know, in lieu of my Heart's

1549
01:55:05.279 --> 01:55:11.239
in Gravity Falls, the song that
I wrote, we will play the full

1550
01:55:11.479 --> 01:55:15.319
version of this little tune that did
we also play it in first episode.

1551
01:55:16.159 --> 01:55:19.640
We have never played the entire We
didn't play the phone that's right, Okay,

1552
01:55:19.720 --> 01:55:23.119
Yeah, so this is the for
the first time on this podcast,

1553
01:55:23.119 --> 01:55:27.680
we were about to play the full
Hall of Conspiracy theme aka Lentil Dentist,

1554
01:55:27.720 --> 01:55:32.640
a remix of some weird bit from
our first episode guide to nil Cisariga bit

1555
01:55:32.840 --> 01:55:35.119
from our first It's weird, you
know, it's just occurring to me.

1556
01:55:35.159 --> 01:55:40.640
This show is really weird. I
never noticed. Yeah, it's my sim

1557
01:55:40.680 --> 01:55:45.000
and the dinvol v two hyphen zero
link in the description and take it away.

1558
01:55:45.039 --> 01:56:02.840
Sim is he l that's as a
dentist or is he a dentist that

1559
01:56:03.000 --> 01:56:10.319
services lent to soon and ever invent
this such a can and drum. It's

1560
01:56:10.399 --> 01:56:23.479
driving me mantle Lenti. This is
not a drill Lenti predentist. Is Charlie

1561
01:56:23.560 --> 01:56:33.960
adlex Is it his office? Not? But you see him when he's with

1562
01:56:34.199 --> 01:56:40.520
patience. He is unseen. She
being the endo surely can't be him.

1563
01:56:40.600 --> 01:56:49.760
It doesn't presmble man or went dentist
dentist. This is not a drill Lentil

1564
01:56:49.960 --> 01:57:36.840
predentist. Charlie's ad eldest Nilton in
unsettled sent litle din sin nettle blit tend

1565
01:57:36.880 --> 01:57:44.000
little sin listen tilt end. It's
lenient limited list ned and nil still ten

1566
01:57:44.119 --> 01:57:50.239
time Neil's tn t tail All right, ready to move on. Hey,

1567
01:57:50.279 --> 01:57:55.840
it's different vines and I'm here to
read the Patreon shout outs. Thank you

1568
01:57:55.880 --> 01:58:00.520
so much for being here. I'm
gonna be doing this by myself. Wiggedny,

1569
01:58:00.560 --> 01:58:02.920
wiggy, what's up dude, bros? Dippy Fresh No, no,

1570
01:58:03.119 --> 01:58:08.159
it came because I heard someone wanted
me to read some names in a list.

1571
01:58:08.399 --> 01:58:10.760
No, no, na, yeah, Dippy Fresh. I please.

1572
01:58:10.880 --> 01:58:13.760
I can do this by myself.
Actually, so you if you want to

1573
01:58:13.840 --> 01:58:16.079
just go skateboard or do whatever you
were doing before, I can. I

1574
01:58:16.119 --> 01:58:20.079
can do this all by myself.
Aha, never gonna happen. Let's get

1575
01:58:20.279 --> 01:58:26.359
stiggety started. Oh, Stigey started, alright, Daddy Driftwood, Friendly local

1576
01:58:26.439 --> 01:58:31.319
Geek, Daddy Buttons, Sterling,
Jubilation, Axel fun Boringness, you slitest

1577
01:58:31.520 --> 01:58:38.800
Juno Series, didd cook a Gisel, Liz Clark, Richard Scanland, what's

1578
01:58:38.920 --> 01:58:43.880
up, Jamie bewsh Your voice cracks? Mine doesn't because I'm better, Ryan

1579
01:58:44.079 --> 01:58:47.520
Favor. The crack is a feature, not a bug. Stephen Patrick,

1580
01:58:47.600 --> 01:58:53.680
Mulholland cock Cock, Gwen Pry jugit, Junior Bro. I'm just gonna I'm

1581
01:58:53.680 --> 01:58:56.279
just gonna say, Junior Bro,
you don't have to do that, Junior

1582
01:58:56.319 --> 01:58:59.079
Brou You're trying your best, Bro, You got it. Joseph Jones,

1583
01:58:59.359 --> 01:59:04.840
Oliver Pitie, Parana Plant, Elizabeth
Newenfelt Mumble Team d Wumplete you're making that

1584
01:59:04.960 --> 01:59:10.479
up, Vanilla Knucker. No,
I'm not rotating Adam with two a's at

1585
01:59:10.760 --> 01:59:15.039
d N and m ah. I'm
sliding into your DMS deal. Fine,

1586
01:59:15.119 --> 01:59:20.119
Deucy, please don't slide into my
DMS. May may I slide into your

1587
01:59:20.159 --> 01:59:27.159
DMS. Jesse Marie mcdoodle. Absolutely
not b Calisota. But what if I

1588
01:59:27.439 --> 01:59:30.720
send you cool memes? Rich Raw, No thanks to be Fresh. This

1589
01:59:30.800 --> 01:59:34.880
is the end of our interaction for
the rest of all time. Samantha Angley,

1590
01:59:35.079 --> 01:59:41.319
Easy Steak Oven, and Spencer Neil
Campbell. Please get me out of

1591
01:59:41.319 --> 01:59:44.880
this room with to be Fresh immediately. Let's have a pizza party. I'm

1592
01:59:44.880 --> 01:59:46.600
gonna slide into your dm S later. Love you, Tip, I don't

1593
01:59:46.600 --> 01:59:49.359
love you. Please never slide into
my DMS. I hope I never ever,

1594
01:59:49.399 --> 01:59:54.720
ever ever seen a pizza party.
Let's have a pizza party. Let's

1595
01:59:54.840 --> 01:59:59.439
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