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records made around the world every month. Ninety of them are flops, but
ten percent are not. These are called hit songs, and how they're made
is one of the most closely guarded secrets in the entertainment business today. Join
us now as Mac and the Gang take a deep dive into the strange world
of hit music and people who make it. This is Mac Maloney's musical X
Files, and now here's Mac. Well. Good evening, Edwin, and
welcome to Macaloney's musical exiles here on the Distance Thunder Radio Network. This is
Mac the Lonely Know what the show we have here tonight, What a gang
we have for you tonight. But first, girls, get ready to set
yourselves down. Gets your squeezed no, get your big busty Kleenex, your
fan, your squeegee and your loop. I don't know I'm missing something there,
but he's here across the puddle, very famous one one. Hello Mack.
Call everybody. I'm glad to be here. And in the borrow phrase,
glad to be anywhere. Always a pleasure to be here. It's a
pleasure is on mine, by the way, and as you know, I
live for this. Well so do we. Everything okay over there in Old
Hampshire. Well we're dialed into spring, but it's still rainy and you know,
we had a couple of sunny days. Everybody celebrates, but really,
yeah, it's back to kind of gloomy issues for the rest of the week.
Yes, maybe into the Easter weekend. I hope not. But you
know, it's kind of weird and we don't want to you know, time
date the show. But to say that the royal family is going through a
tough time right now, it's such an unexpected, weird thing to happen,
you know, with the King and also the princess both having health issues at
the same time. Wow, you just never know to focus on it too.
Oh shit, Yes, yeah, I mean people think, O,
who cares about the royal family, But when stuff like this happens, yeah,
caring does come out and it's genuine. Yeah. Well, the people
just love them. I mean there were people over there when the Queen died.
People were saying, you know, I've never been alive when there's been
another queen, you know. I mean that the tradition is so solid over
there. But yeah, anyway, so I was I was blessed. I
lean and I were blessed to have come here during the Queen's jubilee seventy years
as queen seventy years. Yes, almost as the Rolling Stones have been a
band almost as long as she's been the Queen. Yeah. In any event,
another way to measure it, Ye, the Queen's Jubilee. A lot
of garden parties. People in the neighborhoods have these parties. It's funny they
have these parties. Yes, and you think it's all about the queen.
Yes, you raise So I'm the American raising my glass Long Live the Queen,
and people look at me like I can't stand the queen just a party.
They have garden parties. But you know, it's kind of it was
kind of a celebration. But it was like, we don't care. It's
an excuse to have a party. It was, I mean, it was
the queen. Yeah. Yeah. And you don't have to be invited to
these garden parties, although they I was invited to a couple of them because
they're right down the street from where our daughter lives. So we got invited,
but they would have a sign outside, you know, come on,
drop in, like in various streets, drop in, have something to eat
Queen's jubilee celebration and you know over there that's a threat. Have somebody to
eat English food? Right? Also Junie us as our good friend Rob Ferraro,
music journalist, Rob. How you doing, Hi, Mac? How
are you okay? Everything okay with you? Everything's okay with you, Everything's
going good. I'm having audio issues, so I just look at your mouth
and when you stop talking then I say things, really, yeah, how
about this? Yeah, I'm going to fix it as we Everything is fine
here. So have you you interview known celebrities and the entertainment business since in
the past month? So who have you talked to? Who's interesting? Who
interests you? I should say so the last month, like over the winter,
I kind of choose to be slow. And it is kind of slow
because tours don't usually start in that first quarter of the year and so there's
not a lot of promotion needed. This next couple of months is when you
can really get quite a few I'm working on some things, believe it or
not. This is a big, big, big one, go ahead,
But I'm pretty close to talking to Joni Mitchell. Wow. Yeah, so
it still needs to be worked out and I'm gonna talk to somebody next week
about that. But yeah, we have like a connection that I won't mention
right now, but we have a connection and she seems willing to talk to
me, so we'll see. Wow, because she's kind of notorious for not
talking to the press. Right. That's a story in itself, is how
a music journalist establishes those connections. I know, Max told us some stories
like that you run into people you know, Well, that's good. That'd
be that's cool. I mean that that's that's a big get man. You
know, that'd be nice if that happens. You know. Also with us
talking about a big gets, our good friend out there in California X basis
for a company, pros musician, man about town and action figure. Now
apparently Matt Mally, Matt, how you doing. I'm good. Good to
see you, Mac, good to see everybody. Good to see you,
Matt. If you want to paint the picture, he looks like Michael McDonald's
younger brother. Right, what you say, George Lucas. Oh, George
Lucas also, that's right, Yeah, that's right, we got it.
We mentioned Michael McDonald, and you mentioned Judge Lucas every every week, you
know, every time you're around with us. So anyway, okay, one
of them is much of Richard than the other, though I can't imagine very
much. I work in Hollywood sometimes and I just say I'm George Lucas and
everyone gets out of the way. Really, yeah, because he's such a
weirdo, or he just smacks people around. Just finished watching Ten Commandments tonight,
and I think he look a little bit like Moses, little Moses thing.
He's just coming up. Yeah, okay, I heard about. I
mean, Lucas is a strange guy. This isn't a Hollywood show. But
because he doesn't really direct, his actors have hear that he has, they
read the script and then he just goes, okay, do it. And
he's not there, you know, pointing, you know, and and I
don't know. It's a weird way of doing it, but he's just anyway,
Who am I? He's worth about nine billion dollars. Who am I?
To thank you Matthew joining us also with us in the studio taking some
time off of her very busy schedule. You hear about it a lot,
don't see her very little. I don't think you can say that anymore.
The very lovely Lois Lane, Lois, how are you? I'm great?
Thank you, thank you for having me. It's good to see everybody.
It's exciting to talk about again. Well yeah, okay. Rob is kind
of indicating we should clap you on. Wow. Okay, I'm not sure
I deserve that, don't Well, let's see. The night is young,
so everything's good with you? Lois? Oh? Absolutely, you didn't hear
from you, didn't hear from Elton John's people yet? Are you still waiting
for the letter to come on? Elvis and Elton are leaving me hanging well,
okay, the loss, don't worry, It's okay, something much better
so wow, Okay, I don't want to go any thriller. I want
to. I don't write that last supper. Also joining us is good friends
up there at Edmonkin, Canada, and you know we're gonna clap with him,
okay, Kim and Savachet, Hi, guys, how you doing?
Hi? Everyone? Thanks for having us. Nice to see everyone. And
privilege is good to see you guys. Is this snow on the ground.
You would tell him us last time that you weren't really getting any snow up
in Canada. What's going on? Unmust it's got to be global warming or
something, O can we We could almost turn this and you can see.
But yeah, we don't have much right now. That's sure. It's melting,
but it's still cold. So cool. Yeah, thank you guys too,
though pretty we don't get snow, but we got these weird many hurricanes
that we'd just figured out the other day. I mean last Saturday night it
rained like you wouldn't belie. We've like for eight hours straight and and now
enough of us got like twenty six inches of snow, but we get all
rain, you know. So they turned into these little mini hurricanes for us.
A wind and like but anyway where I used to let they got hammered
with snow right yeah up there right there's some power out ites. Yeah yeah,
funny. Yeah. So anyway, well thanks for joining us, guys.
So we're going to just talk about you know, music and stories.
We have things that you know, kind of stuck in your minds and stuff.
Now. I know last time one one and alsobhead stories. They didn't
get to so Rob just something lined up the status up. Yeah, I
sure remembered what I had. I mean I could say, all right,
yeah, let me do that. So because we were talking about how Matt
looks like Michael McDonald, yes, yes, younger brother, his younger brother.
Yes yeah. And this isn't really I guess stories are supposed to have
a middle, beginning, of middle and end. I don't really know if
this has this, but I just want to say that Michael McDonald is one
of the absolute uh biggest sweethearts in music. He is one of the nice
the way that you probably perceive him to be the way that he is.
His wife is Amy Holland, and she had a hit single like in nineteen
eighty top forty hit, and then she also sang the song that plays on
the dance floor dooring come on out, Scarface, Oh really okay some reasons
in al Pacino and that's her voice singing that song as they do their thing.
And she also had a semi hit on adult contemporary for with us Saint
Elmo's Fire. There's actually words to the Saint almos Fire theme. Nobody knows
that she sang it and did pretty well with it on adult charts. But
I did her a favor. I was very privileged to speak to her,
so she was doing me a favor as well. But I did her a
pretty solid deal with some promotion, and he was very thankful, Michael McDonald,
And as a result, he had my wife and I come out in
like eight row seats to see him nice and come backstage and hang out with
them afterwards, and spent time with with him and Amy and it was just
delightful. He's just a fantastic dude. Yeah, it's good to know.
You know, they're not at all. They don't know if fit the caricature,
though they were. There are some I'll tell a story tonight if we
get to it, And I can't name the rock stop, but I can
tell you some outrageous rockstar behavior, you know. But Yeah, Michael McDonald
has that voice that you just recognize. Yeah, every time he sings.
Ah, he's a backup singer or an additional singer like with Steely Dan or
anybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, total did a lot of
totals. Is it smokey smoky? Would you call it smokey? Kind of
smokey? Yeah, you know, kind of sexy, and Eleen was in
love with the guy really yeah. Yeah, cool voice, yeah yeah,
unique is right. Yeah, and everyone I read Ted Templeton's book, The
Producers who produced a lot of them, uh Doobie Brothers, and he was
in with all those gangs. And he says the biggest misconception, if you
want to believe him, is that when they when Tom Johnson had to leave
the Doobie Brothers for medical reasons and they brought Michael McDonald in, supposed to
be a temporary thing, and they thought people in the band and the fans
would really be antagonistic. It was kind of like, uh, you know,
David leave Broth and Sammy Hager type of thing, right, But they
actually got along, which is funny. He says they were they were You'd
read stuff about how they disliked each other. He says, they're sitting in
my studio writing songs together, you know. So it wasn't like that.
But Ted Templeton said that just doing a Dowie Brothers album man would take like
months and months and months, because he says, there were just so many
different options you could do with these guys, because they could all just play,
and but they all had that chunk of chunk of sound, you know,
I mean, another being. Once you hear him, you know it's
them, you know, never mistake, you know, Yeah, trying to
grow Yep, supposedly he took one. I was going to say, supposedly
he took a dot and threw it against the map, and he wrote a
song about where it landed. I was trying to grove Texas. Oh wow.
One of the interesting things about him is if you go to a YouTube
of any of his hits, at the comments underneath, you'll see dozens upon
dozens of black people coming in and saying, I just now found out he
was white five minutes ago. Wow, that's funny. Yeah to me,
until I was twenty years old to find out I was white. He was
white. Yeah, yeah, and that kind of thing. So there's that
smoky, soulful voice thing, right, Yeah, yeah, I never thought
of it, but I could see how he could be mistaken. Elvis was
mistaken a lot of being black, and Jerry Lee Lewis and all those guys
when they started out because they're singing black slonges. But hmm, wow,
well it seems like a good guy. I mean, he had two great
careers. You know. I saw him with the Doobie Brothers when they call
him the Doobie Ends, and there was about fifteen of them. They were
great, they were just they was there. They were jazzy, but it
was almost like it was too good in a way. It was too polished
in a way. But yeah, you get polished. Yeah, So I'm
going to get out to Kim and Sarah. You were telling me a story
you got to you gotta retell it again about a Canadian guitarist that had some
kind of a Is it be a funny story? You happen to meet Russ.
His brother is a phenomenal twelve string six string Spanish style player. Now
I didn't know this. I met Russ's brother. Ken is a macho kind
of guy. He's a hunter, he's an outdoors Then he was driving bus
and bound for Great Goose and working on the weekends at one of the really
nice restaurants and Bounce Felberta and playing just background music, just real nice music
and not interfering with anybody's conversation or anything. But there was a lady sitting
there one evening and she was checking him out, and she came over when
he was doing in her mission, and she introduced herself and he was like,
I don't know your name, but her name was Leona Boyd, and
at the time, I guess he didn't recognize that. He was kind of
like, oh, and she started telling who she was, and she is
like, well, she's a renowned guitarist in Canada as at least twenty five
albums and four five platinum records, four gold records, something in that regard.
But she loved his music and they had a conversation all some he's They
had a conversation sitting there and she just fell in love with us play.
But she offered up one of his guitars to him, and to this day
he has one of her guitars. And wow, I thought that was a
really cool story. But Macca on the enough one, excuse me, but
when you had mentioned some live stuff and I had mentioned this story, I
wasn't really thinking of discussing it, but I had talked about it further and
I realized that both of them both have suffered sort of let's say, physical
maladies to their playing style. Now I kind of learned this not too long
ago, and I was like, well, I was kind of like talking
to Sarah thinking, well, maybe the Spanish style, you know, yeah,
very intensive to get their hand motions and such, right, yeah,
fingerpicking style of Flamenco kind of finger picking style, Yeah, yeah, exactly,
you know, with all of the accouser percussion that they do as well
on them, ye, hard and everything all of that too, And so
they both I think ended up developing and I cannot remember the name of it,
but it's a condition that basically you lose control of your momuscles almost from
overplay. I guess it's called yep. The athletes yep, over use of
a muscle group, didn't Seinfel do an episode like that? Hang on,
hold on, we'll cut that even lowest to that one, Okay, Yeah
yeah, I mean, uh, like for like drummers, for instance,
the thing they always go through is that their spine. The guy from Motley
Crue is going through it now. They had to put a rod in his
spine because he had been, you know, hunched over the drums for so
many years. Same thing with the guy in the Little Rascals who just just
recently passed away. Do you know Danelli I think his name was. He
had to have, like really in Phil Collins, same thing, you know,
aggravated his condition because hunched over the drums for forty fifty years is going
to do it, you know. Yeah, kind of funny. Wannie,
what's your story that you forgot? Last story? Yeah, we'll see the
right now. I'm reading a book about Heart. It's a it's actually here
we go. I just seem to gravitate to that band lately. I just
I don't know what it is, but just lately. Yes, it's really
written by something new for you. Well, let me say, let's let's
just and Wanning, let me hold up for a second. Let me just
explain a little backstory. Wan and Nancy of Hot Nancy Wilson have a little
bit of a history. History. History is right, okay, And that's
why it happened forty years ago, and that's why you keep coming back to
it because you want it to happen. Go ahead, one one, Well,
reading the book and I haven't finished reading it yet, because it takes
them right through their their childhood in uh Washington and in Vancouver and all the
way up now to a complete band makeover. But anyway, because you're because
I'm reading it and then I'm playing some of the music that they happen to
mention I get these dreams at night like so I had like a flashback.
Honest to god, I had this flashback. And Eileen hates to hear the
story over and over again. Of the sort the story about now Cheap Trick
was often a opening act for Heart or for each other. There was sort
of a dual headliner act. And I was doing Heart and Cheap Trick at
Rob's Neck of the Woods in Worcester Centrum, a nice facility, did a
lot of shows there as a local crew member of the Union. So the
flashback was this is that we're setting up the stage for Heart and everything was
all all assembled, all the lights, all the sound gear, everything was
set up and we sort of go through a final check. And that was
one of the guys that was going through final check. Basically, the final
check is the I asked the the house sound guy and the the stage sound
guy if they needed anything. Everything Okay, everything's working, sounds like everything's
working, But you tell me, it looks like everything's working, what do
you think? And sort of making my rounds, I was kind of shooting
the breeze with some of the folks too. But I'm there making my rounds
and I'm kind of I'm looking around and I'm going, okay, it looks
like everybody's okay, went to this, went to the mixing board, riser
and everything. Okay, yep, you just let me know if you need
anything. I'm looking around. It looks like I'm the only union guy.
I'm the only local crew doing this right now. It's like I'm alone in
the auditorium. So I'm about to boogie kind of, you know, saunter
out of the place and going to the cruise area. I'm really taking my
time and who comes out But the band Heart's coming out to do this sound
check. And they're doing an acoustic sound check as it as it were,
except for the bass player Mark and Mark Andy's formerly of Spirit, another great
band. So I'm sitting in the front row in case they need anything,
because now they're really testing things, and it looked like, you know,
it looks like everything's okay. I was going to get up and sort of
lightly leave and let them be do their thing in private. I don't know
you even know why I felt that way, but I did go ahead,
and and they said I don't know who said it first, but they said,
oh, you don't have to leave. I'm looking around them going now.
But in situations like that, this is sort of an unwritten rule that
unless you're invited, hang with the band. The unwritten rule is the the
the union crew, the local crew they hired help, has their own place
to go. Yeah. Yeah, and the band had and the band's crew
have their own place to go. Because interesting, Yeah, okay, it's
kind of like, you know, you just kind of give each other some
space. That's it. You know, it's not really hard and fast rule,
but it kind of works like that. Yes, So I'm thinking,
and my violating internationing is that you know, you don't have to go.
So all right, So I'm sitting in the front row of the what's the
centrum auditorium and they're plugging in, they're setting up a little bit of tuning.
They were ready to go ahead, and they they're doing like an acoustic
set of the hits that Rob and I always talk about hot plays. You
want to play their hits. You don't want to be rolling out some new
number that they're going to try out on everybody. Because back then, this
is the this is like the mid eighties Bad Animals HERA, Yes, okay,
they're they're they're poppier. Really is this when you thought Nancy was giving
you hand signals from the stage? Well, really, I didn't go like
that. But Nancy, if you ever see a play, it doesn't matter
what kind of guitar she's playing. She's doing the leg kicks and it's she's
still doing it. Yeah going through Uh it looks could kill Baron, Barracude,
all all those things. And I swear to God, and I'm already
sweating because I'm I'm the only one. They're playing this concert just for me.
That's something. I'm sweating. I can't I can't move. I'm just
looking at them, and I'm making eye contact with Nancy Wilson. Honestly,
here we go, because she's everywhere on the stage. She's quite mobile on
the stage, and I'm watching her just like I'm watching another word for stoking
whatever, go ahead. I'm just so laser focused on her. But you
know how you look, You know how if you're staring at somebody, all
of a sudden you want to look away because you feel like a little uncomfortable
there. I couldn't stop looking at her. I don't know. I was
almost up next week. Sitting there, I'm in a dream. I can't
believe this is happening. And I'm not being you know, waved to be
to leave the area right the shop steward, the boss. It didn't come
out and like wait, come on, getting the get in the back.
None of that's going on because probably they knew that I was okay to be
there. I'm like, if they need anything, I'm there to do it,
right. Yeah, sure she needs a boyfriend, she took something up
connection or replace a microphone or some whatever, I'm there to do it anything.
So I felt like I had a mission. But I'm watching the show.
It was about a half hour set. Yeah yeah, yeah, of
their hits. They play them all the way through and they kind of you
know, talking to each other and they're doing things and doing what they do
for a good a good sound check. It wasn't just a testing one two
three. It was really a show, and you're playing to your audience right
when you play. Any band member is going to do that. They're going
to It's weird looking out into empty seats, isn't it. You know,
if you if you're doing a sound check. You're looking out into the sea.
It's kind of weird, isn't it. It's a little weird. So
I'm there and I'm saying, they're looking out and I'm there the person there,
and I'm making and really another of the story is I'm making eye contact,
Wilson. Was she kicking in your direction? Anything like that, any
kind of She was kicking and everything every direction. She's really into her riffs.
Yeah, spinning around, yeah, part of the show. Yeah,
she's she's all over the place. Wow, she's fun to watch. That's
why I was watching her. I mean fun to watch too. While she's
singing, She's really she's all over the place too. She really breathes well
and goes right into it. Has a very powerful voice, dynamic. Yeah,
okay, all right, let's get one one. We'll get a cold
cloth now, put it on hell Man. Just like I was when that
was over. That was a good thing. I'm off the clock right now
because all I have to do is just watch the shows, both Heart and
Cheap Trick. I have a good time. I'm off the clock. I
have to do anything. And I don't want to be a spotlight operator because
you really have to pay attention. I almost I was going to do that.
Yes, you got to pay too much attention. You really do it
that. I don't like it. So I'm just enjoying the moment. I
was having a zen moment with heart and in particular Nancy Wilson and I have
these flashbacks about it. Once again, listen, I mean, can you
turn it down your phones? Our time is up one one. Come next
week at three o'clock on a Thursday, and we'll take it up there.
Okay, funny story. I'll tell you what when we do this and when
we go to mad because Matt, I don't want to ambush you, okay,
but can you tell us the Ringo story? Oh yeah, yeah,
I mean you've done it before, but this is this is classic. Okay,
go ahead, please, yeah, okay, this is a good story.
I'm meeting a Beatle, you know, I mean meeting anybody there's in
popular music. There's the Beatles, and then there's everyone else. Yep.
And all of us musicians know it. We all know they've been kicking our
butts for sixty years and there's just nobody compares. You know, the stones
come close, so you know, one would argue you know that stones are
are as good or better. They're one are one A. There are definite
two. There are definite two. I mean there are two different kinds of
bands. You know. The Stone were a live van. The Beatles are
not alive van. So anyway, go ahead please. Yeah. So if
I were to meet a Beatle in my life, you know, that would
be like the Mountain top. So it actually happened, and that was,
oh gosh, in twenty thirteen. So eleven No. Twenty fourteen, about
eleven years ago, exactly March of twenty fourteen. A friend of mine is
a psychiatrist, a renowned psychiatrist that worked with Michael Jackson apparently when he went
to England. My friend's from England. His name's Brian Wells, doctor Brian
Wells, and he knew the guys in Zeppelin when he was hanging out with
them. He went to Cambridge with Nick Drake, who's one of the great
English singer songwriters. He died young, Brian and he's in all of Nick's
biographies and books and documentaries. So anyway, Brian Wells is a friend of
mine. He's about fifteen years older than me, I think. And Brian
is a big speaker for Alcoholics Anonymous, and so Ringo and his wife attend
Alcoholics Anonymous, and so there's a big one in Beverly Hills that Ringo attendants
and Brian said he was staying with us and said, do you want to
want to meet him? And I said heck yeah. So he brought me
down and to Beverly Hills to a meeting, and then Brian went up and
spoke. Ringo showed up with his wife, Barbara Bark and he's sitting there
and I'm looking at the back of his head like a stalker. Can't believe
a beadle is in the room, and so ring Brian. At the end,
Brian and Ringo were talking because he knows Ringo, and so they were
kind of talking a little bit, and I decided, okay, I'm going
to get up and go that direction. And they're standing over there by a
table and Brian sees me and says, Matt, come here, meet Richard,
Richard Starkey, meet Richard. He doesn't go by Ringo when he's there,
and Ringo said, it nice to meet you, Mana, and I
said, this is my first meeting. Oh no, Brian told Ringo,
this is Matt's first meeting, and Ringo says, come here, Matt,
and he holds out his arms and he gives me a hug. And so
I'm hugging Ringo Starr, you know, and my mind is just you know,
work screwing. Uh. So I decided to try to talk, which
was stupid of me. And so I said, I used to play in
a band called Counting Crows, and he goes, counting Crows. I used
to play in a little band myself, Matt. Let me think about that
for a second. He knows what he is. He knows is yeah,
yeah, exactly right, yeah yeah, and uh and he knows what he
is. He knows he's a mind screw. He knows that that nobody compares.
He knows it all. Yeah, and he plays, you know,
and and God loved him. It was awesome I got to meet him.
I remember you said, I'm all of a sudden smelling a Beetles sweater.
Right, you're very sweat I mean, yeah, I smelling the sweater.
Yeah, I'm thinking, what does Ringo smell like? Broccy? I guess
he eats a lot of broccoli. Well that's wild. I mean, it's
kind of funny. I've seen him. I was backstage at a Ringo concert
once and he like kind of ran by me, you know what I mean.
But it's that moment you say, Wow, there's the guy. You
know, here's the guy. That's him. You see him in movies,
you hear him, but here's the real guy. It was kind of cool.
It was kind of cool. Why don't we do this? Why don't
we take an awesome ad break? What do you say to Lois? This
is a good time for ad break, all right? And you're listening to
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say, please stay tuned. Hey Mac Maloney fans, this is Pistol Pete
and I'm sitting here with the one and only Mac Maloney. Hi, Mac
HiPE. Now, Mac, you've got a new book out called How to
Dump a Body at Sea and Not Get Caught that you wrote with our pal,
famous crime novelist Mark Zappula. How did this whole thing come about?
Well, Mack and I have this mutual friend that we go out having beers
with it every once in a while, and he had the same twenty stories
that he would tell us kind of over and over again, and at some
point I said, you know, we should write these down, and we
did and it turned into a book. It's such a crazy title. How'd
you come up with it? Well, kind of the same thing. We're
in talking to this friend of ours one night and he just said, you
know how to get rid of a body sea? And I can taught,
And of course we didn't know, and so he told us. And the
secret is in the book. But I can say that it involves a lot
of chainling fence and some crabs. Now, Mac, you gave me an
advanced copy of the book, and like I said before, it's one of
the funniest things I've ever read. It reminded me of the Sopranos, if
the Sopranos had a laugh track. Thanks Pete. But it also gives you
instructions on how to do some pretty shady stuff, stuff not exactly legal.
Well, yeah, the book is about the true life adventures of a druvenile
to Linklin growing up in Boston in the late nineteen eighties, So you get
a lot of the inside stuff, like the best way to steal a car,
the best way to burn aca, how to make fake eye, these
things like that, but in one chapter you actually tell people how to turn
an old, broken down Toyota into a brand new Rolls Royce in five easy
steps and it actually works. Yeah, I know it sounds crazy. I
didn't believe it until I saw the proof, but yes, it actually works.
Now, one last question. There's a lot of laughs in the book,
but also a lot of pretty crazy stuff legal and illegal. Is it
really all true? It's really all true, but on the advice of a
publisher, they've asked us not the same thing beyond that for legal reason.
But yes, it is all true. Well thanks Mac. That's how to
dump a body at sea and not get caught, The al Ferrari story by
Mac and crime writer Mark Zippula. Get it today on Amazon. Welcome back,
And we went to Maclony's musical X Founds Here on the Distant Thunder Radio
Network. Hey, this is maccaloney. Wow, what a show so far
we have for you. Very quickly, let me introduce the members of the
gang. Here girls, you see you across the pond, the very famous
one. One. Hello girls, Hello everybody, Oh Marc, good to
be here. Everything okay, yep, when do those hedgehogs come out?
Of hibernation. You're not a hibernation right now? Okay, do you want
me to just break the news to you now? You want to rip the
band aid off? Now? Well? Did that? It depends on how
big that band aid is. I've been I've been asked so many times to
be on the hedgehog lookout patrol, yes, and sending any videos and just
kind of report okay, uh, daytime and location of hedgehogs. You know
where I used to live had hedgehogs in my backyard, yes, right,
yeah, huh, And I was taking care of them. I was feeding
them, and I had a nice hibernation hot for them in the whole deal.
But in the flat where we live now, in a big apartment complex,
yes right, I don't have that situation. Won't they come to visit
you? No? They did? They did? Oh they are they showed
up? Did they? Well? Not here in the flat where I live
now, because it's it's a it's the apartment complex. Okay. Hedgehogs walking
around interesting? Unfortunately it should be, But there are us habitat for them.
Should be because it's out of the traffic too. I don't know,
right, Well, we should import some hedgehog. It really does. There's
all kinds of grounds where they could hide and forage, and the solution is
bring more in. Yeah, okay, that kind of missed my old cottage.
Well, I'll tell you it's it's tough luck. If they meet a
Michelin, they don't. I don't think the woman that moved into the cottage
after us is into hedgehogs. I tried to find out from the owner of
the cottage, and I left all the equipment. Let's say, no instructions.
I don't know. She's a single mother and I think she has better
things. Okay, Well, keep us update anyway. I'm trying to pivot
away to Rob for our music journalist's friend, Rob, thanks to joining us,
Thanks for having me love it once again to paint the picture a young
Stanley Tucci. Okay, I think we decided that a thrift store version.
Okay, all right, Also with us in the studio, take us some
time off from our busy schedule. Oh very busy, never too busy for
I'm a president of the Elton John Fan Club and the Elvis Costello Fan Club.
Lovely Lois, let me start that again. The very lovely Lewis laye
eis Hi everyone, It's good to be here. Lewis astely lois everyone.
Okay, so, just very quickly, just tell us the Elton John story
you wrote. You wrote a letter to him. First of all, we
just talked about the last we have new listeners. He cares. It was
silly. I was in sixth grade, loved every listened to every single word
of every single album, have them all memorized. Big fan. And you
know, being twelve, you know I was with a singer, and so
I wrote him a letter saying, you know, I love you. Okay,
I don't remember what else you have met? Prenup. Did you want
to pretend I simply said, you know, I'm going to write back to
you in six months. I'm going to pause right here and write back,
I still love you. You know. I did still really like him,
but I never did send the letter. Oh so you are the one to
win. That's why we're not married. No other reason, no other reason.
What other reason could they be? Wait a minute, did you were
in the sixth grade? You said yes, yes, but you didn't send
the letter? Then No, No, I wouldn't know how you know back
then? Yeah, if he said yes, then a lot. You know,
it was just so it was just a little guy. I don't even
know why I ever told you. I just say something so we can talk
about it. Yeah, let me just say this, okay. Let me
introduce also good friends up there at Edmonton, Canada, Kim and Sarah Shay.
Thanks you, I said, joining us. Also a good friend I
Hally Matt Malley out there in the West Coast. Matt Mally basis for me?
I mean, is it do you want that in your bio? Is
that how you want to be introduced there? Yeah? Sure, it seems
like the biggest thing I did. I guess. Yeah, by the man
who is just like Robert Planter, who for a while they're disavowed being in
led Zeppelin kind of made a kind of goofy kind of attitude. All right,
Rob that if you kind of do that for a while. Yeah,
He's like, if you come to the show, you're only going to hear
two Zeppelin songs and they're both going to be done on c tar. Yeah,
we'll take whatever we can get at this point. It's okay. By
the way, I think Math plays the sitar, don't you. I play
Indian slide guitar. It's different. It's it's like, uh, inspired by
Hawaiian slide guitar. Some guy brought it to India in the sixties. Then
they started playing racasanas, so it's a new instrument in Indiana. It's only
old. Yeah, that's fantastic. Yeah, story too, when you're ready.
Nice yeah, Mack, you want to know the story? And Lewis,
yes, please go okay, ten o'clock in the morning. I'll make
it quicker at ten o'clock in the morning. In two thousand and two,
I go down to Hollywood and end up at Tower Records on Sunset Bulevardos.
It was kind of an iconic place to shop for a record and I'm going
down the island. Right behind me a little too close is this bronze Roman
bodyguard guy with just perfect skin and muscles and just this he looked like a
model, and he's carrying a basket and he was a little too close to
me, and I'm trying to just I'm going down the aisle and I just
kind of annoyed, and so I just got out of the way. And
then I went to another aisle and realized right with him was Elton John and
that was his bodyguard. Oh oh wow. And yes, and Elton is
just tossing CDs into this basket that this guy's holding. Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah, that's already shocked. Did he mention do? Did he mention
Lois? He talked about somebody she really loved him? But wow, huh?
Okay, yeah. Well, hey, if if Dalton John needs records
here, you go to Tower Records. You know. Well I didn't.
I didn't. I didn't speak to him except at the end that decided,
Okay, I got to do something Selton John. So I waited. I
went and picked up a CD by an Indian Kohali singer. No, a
Pakistani Kali singer that I love is named murs Ali Khan. He's a singer,
yes, and he's awesome. And I bought this and thought, I'm
going to get this for Elton John. I'm going to give it to him.
So I waited for them. I held it in my hand and waited
for them to start heading for the cash resser and I and I cut them
off at the pass, got to the just during the front, bought it
and then turned around and said thank you for your music. And it was
really nice and the kind of pated me on the shoulder, said thanks,
you know, and his body I just I by passed the bodyguard everything he
did. Buddy, guy didn't beat the ship out of you. That's good
Win Win Lucas. Like in a hundred years, like in a like in
five hundred years, I mean you can probably count on your hand how many
music you know, today's music people have to be listening to. Let's say
people listen to music in five hundred years. It's gonna be the Beatles,
it's gonna be the rolling style, but it's gonna be Mosat and it's gonna
be all that. I think someone's music who's gonna last a long time is
Elton John's. I think Elton John is gonna be kind of like who's the
guy who wrote you know, like almost like old Americana songs. I'm not
it's not a good it's not a good comparison, but it's like songs that
you cannot will you him too? But but songs that kind of take,
you know, stand the test of time. I'm gonna say, even the
way they were recorded and bury me in a long Yeah. Yeah like that,
you know, funny, it's funny. Who will be remembered. Let's
see, let me tell my story. I'll tell my story Warwick combination.
I had it some timeless Sorry Lois has something to say. No, I
just said, yes, you didn't tell your story yet. After your story,
I have a little update, like a little surprise for everybody. Oh
surprise, Okay, Luckily, luckily I'm the only one in the studio.
All right, I mean, you know, I just went through my head
today about you know, different stories. I can tell they told this story
a long time ago. And I don't want to you know, out rock
style, your rockstar story, but your nice rockstar story. But this is
what happened. So I don't know. Probably about fifteen years ago. For
a while, I was the A and IL guy for a label in London
called voice Print Records, and basically eight out is if you hear anything,
send it to us and maybe we'll record it. And basically what they're thinking,
well, Matt, you know, right, you run voice Print.
That's all Matt and I met. And they would do they would take like
a lot of kind of obscure recordings and stuff like that and re released them
and stuff, you know, and they re released a lot of like oh
things, from Yes and just a lot of prog stuff and the guy rub
ailing good taste, kind of hot to get a hold of sometimes, but
a good guy, nice guy. So anyway, in between all that,
I had also become the PR guy for Patrick Morass. Patrick Moras is the
guy keyboard player well known among that kind of the lead. It would be
like Rick Wakeman, Keith Emerson, and Patrick Morass almost all in the same
breath, same kind of rituals. Classically trained keyboard player now working with electronic
keyboards. So he was in Yes for three years, he was in the
Moody Blues for eleven years, and we got to know him just by virtual
being his PR guy. So anyway, one day I must get an email
from a guy and he's a stockbroker in Philadelphia, and he says, you
don't know me, but I understand you're the PR guy for you know,
the PI guy Fall Yes. And I says, well, I'm a PIA
guy Fall one of the guys who used to be in Yes. He goes,
look at this friend of mine, young guy is having some medical issues
and he's a huge YES in and in Philly. Yes is huge in Philly.
That's like the big that's the center of the universe. So and if
you've never heard a Yes, google them. Okay, they're a progressive rock
band, great musicianship at the beginning, and they hung on in various ways.
But anyway, so he says to me, can you get just any
kind of He wanted them to send him CODs. Okay, get well CODs.
And this guy is starting chemotherapy. He's twenty four years old. So
I know the guy who does the publicity for the rest of Yes, and
I passed the message on to him, and then I passed it on to
Patrick Moress because this guy said past is one of his favorites. And I
can see Matt, Matt, you know the kind of guy Patrick is,
right, you can imagine this, right. So Rick Wakeman sent the guy
a fax. I think Steve Howe sent him something that was it. The
other guys didn't, and Alan White and his wife sent him something. Mara
has found out the guy's chemo schedule, and when he was all set up
in the bed to do it, put our headphones on. I get a
little choked up talk of them and played yes song It was for the guy
and the piano for his entire I know, you choke up talking about Yeah,
yeah, he did that. And then the then the guy died.
He died, think about a month later. That beautiful moment. Yeah,
that's beautiful. But that's him, that's it. And he said to me,
he said to me, don't ever tell anybody, don't any We don't
want anyone to know this because we don't want to make the other guys to
look bad, one of the reasons. But I said, you know,
it's just a nice gesture, nice gesture. Yeah, yeah, very classy.
Yeah awesome, Yeah, that was nice. Okay, does anyone have
a funny rock question? Sometimes you said, you know, maybe it's from
the media or something that because you're a rock star, you're a pompous a,
you know, but really they're people too. Okay, rock stars your
nice too, and rock stars well, last one, you have one sitting
here, I mean, Matt, I mean in your is it just like
how society is fifty sent the people are okay, fifty center assholes, right,
I mean, is it that higher ratio? Sure, the rock world
is littered with a host but it's also as really good people. You know,
the Rolling all the Rolling Stones were completely good people, genuinely nice people.
Met the Rolling Stones? Where was that in Vienna? Where was that?
And you toured with the Rolling Stones during Voodoo large? Is that correct?
We did twelve or fourteen shows around in the middle of America with them,
and so we were their dressing room area of the stadiums was always open
to the opening band, so we would go in there and play Snoopers and
you'd have Keith Richards and and you know, walking by and helping you with
a shot, you know, and help me with this. He is an
awesome guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Stones, you know,
but then there's I won't name any names, but there are true jerks,
and they're usually you know, why the Stones were so nice because they had
nothing to hide in there at the top of the mountain, and they're nice
people. And that's also why they're there. They're nice people. The reason
anyone's an a hole, including rock stars and normal people, I think,
not that I figured all this out for everybody, but my experience says that
it's because they got something to hide. They've got their limitations and that talented
and they're up and so they're always on the defense. Yeah, funny,
interesting, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, something to hide. Or some
insecurity that they're covering. Right, I guess that's the same thing, right.
I mean that whomely entertainment to be to want to be an entertainer takes
a certain kind of psyche, you know what I mean, And a lot
of entertainers have, let's say, difficult childhoods or something like that. If
you ever read the Pete Townsend biography Who I Am? I read it out
halfway through it and almost made me put it away. I mean, that
guy is just so I can't describe the word. It's amazing. He gets
up in functions every day. If you want to believe this the book,
you know, he just had a lot of psychological problems because of what happened
when he was growing up. Most of you have a surprise for us for
well, I do. I have some questions that are maybe tricky for but
these people are all pretty well versed in music history, and I have some
trivia questions about the Rolling Stones the cash prize. Here, you get a
round of applause. Ahead, you're not going to keep points or anything,
We'll just sort of throw it out. And if it will keep points,
well, do you want to make it like that's want to wage a on
it. Is that what you're trying to sign? Just if you know it
and you want to try it? Or do you want to raise your hand?
If you know it, do you want to do it that way?
You want everybody to give it a shot. We'll give everybody a chance to
answer it, okay, and then we'll tell the real answer. She's a
fourth grade teacher, so she knows what she's doing how to corral people.
I like. I like how she said. We'll give everybody a chance to
answer it, and then we'll give the real answer. Yeah right, Yeah.
Of course, maybe I don't know any of them, so maybe maybe
they're not I think. Okay, So question one, who did Brian Jones
introduce on stage at the nineteen sixty seven Monterey Pop Festival? Okay, I
can give you a B and C. I hang on, hang on,
Maybe people want to guess mister. The question again? Who did Brian Jones
introduced for the Montrey the Festival in nineteen sixty Would you like choices? Yeah?
All right, we've got just give us the choices. Go ahead,
Okay, So the choices are did Brian Jones introduce the who Robbie Shankar or
the Jimmy Hendricks experience. I think, yeah, I'm going to say Hendricks.
It just seems about right. I mean, Matt, what do you
say you? For some reason, I think it might be Robbie Shankar if
I saw too, I think that really Yeah, let's find out, Well
did everybody answer yard? What do you say? Content the chase? Play
real quick, Kim, Kim and Sarah? What do you say? I'm
going to say Jimmy Hendrix. I'm going to say Jimmy Hendrick. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, let's go for five thousand dollars.
The answer is the Jimmy Hendricks experience. Yeah, there's something in my
mind about there you go and that and that animal song Monter Ray Eric Burdons
song. He mentions Prince Jones walks among the crowd. He kind of like,
yeah, wow, oh did you ever do you ever see that documentary
where who had to take the stage after Hendrick said his guitar on fire is
the Mama's and the Poppas was so scared and how do you how do you
follow that? I follow that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll tell
you. I'll tell you quick. Jimmy Hendricks, I mean you know,
they keep on coming. So you know, when he was like really big
sixty seven, sixty eight or so, he was going to play a free
concert one one and rob, you'd appreciate a free concert in Boston common,
Okay, Jimmy Hendrix playing a free content in Boston, coming like the summer
sixty eight maybe sixty nine, remember that. But I remember him touring with
the Monkey Huge Okay, this is way before. This is when he's a
big, big stop. Okay. So he had kind of a freak out
on the plane coming to Boston, who knows why, and they had a
can they had to cancel the show, had to cancel the show. Okay,
okay. They had already put up like an entire ring of chain leak
fence, you know, to kind of keep everybody in. So I'm in
at the time, I worked for the City of Boston postapot and that's place
where he was going to play. And this guy called me and show me
a check and as a check from Jimmy Hendrick experience, you know, corporation
or some freaking thing, for sixteen thousand dollars to pay them for the fence.
Wow, you know, I want to know what that was in their
contract. Oh wow, but he paid them back for the fence they had
to put them up for Wow. Yeah, maybe you stoned at the Times?
Yeah? Signon? Was that going to be at the Esplanade? No,
on the Boston Common, but Boston Common. Okay, think of that
for a second. Okay, what a what a mad scene that would have
been. It would be at the height of his powers? Yeah, okay,
okay, so love was number two. I actually think I know this
one, so maybe it's easy. I don't know, but maybe I'm wrong.
So which Motown artists release? Oh? Which Motown artists released the original
version of Just My Imagination running Away with Me, which The Rolling Stones covered
on their Some Girls album I Can Give You Choices take just stick? Maybe?
Okay? Does I kind of know? I'm just going to say,
like the original? Maybe it's just the original. Okay, let's go around
the rob You have got any idea who did that originally? H THEO the
Miracles? Right? Yeah? I don't want to say the Temptations because that
do you want to hear? The choice? The choices? Yeah? Yeah,
I just thought us. Look, sorry, the Four Tops, the
Temptations or the Marvelettes, the Four Tops, Temptations just four Tops just my
imagination? Yeah, four Tops? What do you say that the chaise?
I thought it was the Family sly Stone, but I don't know. Temptations,
Yeah, yes, it's the Temptations. Wow. Yeah, Props a
little more poppy in a way. I mean, if you can distinguish between
those two bands. But they used to exchange songs back and forth and the
Miracles. Okay, next, please we all think what was the answer the
Temptations? Three people get Temptations? Yeah? Well yeah, steep Wagon air
go ahead? Okay? On which TV show did the Stones appear during their
first US tour? On which the questions? Okay? On which TV show
did the Stones appear during their first US tour? I think I know this.
Let me just say them. Wait a second, does anyone else know
this? Rob? Do you the First War one? You know, Matt
and the first US appearance? Right? They might if they hear the choices?
So, okay, my guess is the Mike Douglas Show, So here
are the choices? The Dean Martin Show, the Sonny and Share Show,
or the Ed Sullivan Show. It's so are people guessing? All right?
What do you I already lost, you're out of practice here. Yes,
I think it was a Sullivan. I'm gonna say, yeah, okay,
actually the Dean Martin. I keep seeing that clip when they leave that when
they finished their song and they're walking off the stage after he says something stupid
to them, he kind of makes this disparaging remark. Yes, he took
a swing at him. Did was probably at that. But I'll just tell
this littlely anecdote. Okay. The reason I said, Mike Douglas and I
don't know why is that lowis you might want to leave the room for this
story. So this woman I used to work with that work with work for
in college in the TV studio at the time. She was like a thirteen
year old girl who won some kind of a radio contest to meet the Stones.
So it had to be sixty four, right, And they bring them
in and the Stones come in and Mick Jaggons goes right over to her and
use her a French kiss. Hey, listen, get it over with quick.
They just started counting the relationships. Yeah from there, right, okay,
yeah, right? They China Groves playing for that because that had to
be the tour that they did. Manning Bull and Lynn. Yeah, I
like that. Yeah, high school soccer field. Yeah, so okay,
please that Lois? All right? Here is another one in our Stones to
your question air quiz Show sort of, which was the first Stones album to
be composed entirely of Jagger Richard's songs. Okay, so think about it.
I'll say it again, which was the first Stones album to be composed entirely
of Jagger Richard's songs, and the choices are Aftermath, between the Buttons,
Beggars Banquet, Beggar this is. Yeah, I'm gonna say aftermath because I
think I've read something about this. Anyone of the chaise choices are Aftermath,
after after Math. Yeah, I was gonna say Beggars Banquet. What do
you say, Mah, I said Begs Banquet, because doesn't after maths from
Home? Is that a McCartney a little something? Yeah? Yeah, but
there's something about aftermath. Please tell us, Lois, the answer is Aftermath.
Yeah. This and it didn't sell very well because they wrote the freaking
songs themselves, right, That's what kind of happened that part. I don't
know, because one of their albums are just you know, old blue songs
and stuff like that. People like to hear them play, and then they
just get better and they're writing, you know, they get the better in
their writing, Like Midnight Rambler. They wrote that sat down. They know
they had either of the song for a crowd for an audience, and that's
a great song. The way they put that together. Aftermath didn't wow me
when it came out. I don't know why, but because I really enjoyed
the way they performed Chuck Berry and Bo Diddley stuff. I like the way
they did Root sixty six. They took Root sixty six, the original artist
of Root sixty six. It's like a slow jazz number. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah. The great video that went with it, by the
way, Henry Minsine popped it up like crazy, and I loved it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, They're good. You know when they were if
you read Bill Wyman's book What's That called the Stone a Stone Alone and the
Stone Alone, tons of anecdotes, and they said that, you know,
because they were on the Beatles wave. Now okay, that when they would
show up in play someplace that and there were usually smaller venues, the screaming
and the girls were just like out of control to the point you can't hear
anything. So when they couldn't hear anything, they would play the Popeye theme.
The would play the theme to the Popeye shot and just to prove that
no one could hear them. Yeah yeah, and that might have been in
Keith's book. That might have been in Keith It is It's everywhere. Yeah,
yeah, that's funny that anecdote is like, and they played it and
nobody cared. No one did because no one heard it. Yeah yeah,
they probably even noticed. Okay, we go one more question almost, Okay,
we go one more forever or just in a break, let's see what
happened? Oh, okay, because I have more Okay, you all right?
So so I just lost my little Okay, here we are, Okay,
speak right into that. On which Beatles song did Brian Jones sing backing
vocals? We know this, Okay, there's another trick question on which Beatles
song did Brian Jones don't give us the answers yet, go ahead, okay,
On which Beatles song did Brian Jones sing backing vocals? M Okay,
all you need is love. I'm going to agree with that. Yes.
Now, if the question was what Beatles song did Brian Jones play saxophone on,
it's not it's backing vocals. All right, what is it? What
is it? Well? The choices are, hey, Jude, I am
the Walrus or yellow submarine. Yellow submarine. That's what I thought to you.
Yeah, of course at the end, what's the answer, I'm gonna
say yellow? It is yellow submarine? Yes, sorry, Robert. Now,
when they did All You Need Love, Mick Jagger is in that kind
of live presentation of that. But what Beatles song did Brian Jones by the
saxophone on this is for the cheap Wagon? Here? Come on? Wowhon,
I'm Matt. You don't don't this, Matt, No, I can't
think of it. It's a very obscure Beatles song called you know my name?
Look up the number? You know my name? Oh yeah, wow,
you know my name? Look up the number? Yeah, yeah,
yeah, I know that very well. You know you know my name?
Yeah yeah. It's a really bizarre kind of get stoned and put it on
the potty thing and say who's this? But there is a sax break in
it, and he Brian Jones is a weird guy. I mean, he
was a very very it rocks out that people didn't like. I mean,
he was. I just went out of his way to make people's lives miserable.
He fathered five children by five different women. In almost every case,
he moved in with the woman woman in her family's house, got a pregnant,
and then left her. That happened like three or four times to this
guy. And and and he had a big and he and he couldn't handle
drugs in his family was a problem growing up. His father was a rich
jet engine designer, and he was kind of you know, it wasn't lower
class. But he could play anything. He's one of these freaking guys who
can just pick up something and just play anything. You know. Yeah,
wow, yeah, too bad. And it's too bad what happened to him,
because and he looked like a rock star. Didn't he look like a
rock star if he was a good guy. I mean, you know,
he just looked he just had that sixties rock style looked well. Didn't he
hang out with the band after they fired him, each show up in a
studio just to be with them, just to show up. Yeah, yeah,
that's kind of sad. But I remember the joint Lennon or George Harrison
said, when when the phone and ring and was he You just didn't want
to pick it up because he was just kind of a sad sack type guy,
you know, if a rock stock can be that, you know.
But anyway, low As, you have one more question, So do just
to bring the mood up? I do, yeah, because that was well,
I'm not reading the choices to this one. You would have to read
the choices. Oh, this should be good? Should I read it?
Okay? What was originally planned? I'm sorry for everybody listening to this a
little gross? What was originally planned to pop out of the jeans zipper on
the cover of the Sticky Fingers album but was too costly? Too costly?
All right? So the Sticky Fingers album and the album cover is literally a
man a zipper like a fly, okay, like a fly, and you
would open it up and it's a it's a real zipper. And then you'd
open it up and what there was a picture of milk then with his tongue
hang on or something. What was behind the zipper? Should we say?
Was it a was it? Did they do that? It's like a BBD
underwear? Oh that's right, okay, the Italian all right, so that's
right, yes, okay, so now here are the choices. You're ready?
No one known as guessed? Hello, So please guest I'm looking at
it. Okay, I'm m hmm. A small plaster cast, a balloon,
or a plastic male appendage. I just said that, penis look most
of this, gi those once again? Do that again? Please? A
small plaster cast okay, hang on, hang on, A small plastic cast
of plaster cast of I don't know, probably not a think go ahead,
A balloon that would have been funny, or a plastic you know now,
I don't know, and I'm saying balloon because anything else you put in there
it just made the packaging. The packaging was already pretty expensive and elaborate.
Yet it was what's the answer, hunt? I mean, I mean lowis
you know what? I don't have the answer. No, because she said
it was too expensive, So I guess it was the most expensive option,
which I think it's. I don't have the answer to that one. I'm
sorry what happened? I don't know it up? Well, were you taking
a break or you just taking a break from this? Well take a break.
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Radio Network. This is McLarney. Well what a show this is tonight,
But let me introduce the co conspirators. I'm going to start here on the
studio with us very lowly. Lowis Lane is helping out tonight. Lois Hi,
everyone, it's great to be here. Thank you for the applause.
Okay, we'll put that in later. How was things with you? Lols?
You're doing your homework there. No, I'm keeping track of all the
things going on in the show. Oh wow, okay, and on top
of getting rid of all the empty cans before we leave, well your empty
cans. Yes, I am on period around the track. Yeah. Anyway.
Also with us is across the puddle is very famous. One one one,
Hey, hello everybody, welcome back to the show. It's been a
hoot riot so far. I love it musical show. Also, what joining
us is Matt Malley. Matt Maley out there and Matt Malley out there in
thousand Oaks, California, right, Matt, beautiful two thousand ups. You
come here for the weather, not the culture. Oh that's good. Good
to hear. Okay. And you you live in a guy named Bruce.
You bought the house from Bruce Sweden. Is that how you say his name?
Sweden, the legendary record producer. He died. He well engineer,
a recording engineer first, and then he became Quincy Jones' recording engineer and produced
a couple of Michael Jackson records, Barbara streisand Paul McCartney. So I bought
his house and in the back is a freestanding studio building that my son has
taken over because he's an audio engineer. Okay, happy to get you.
Yes. Also Rob for our music journalists joining us. Hey, so happy
to be here. Have a fun time tonight. Everybody's that's good, great
to chat with. Also the Chay's up there in Edmonton, Canada. Okay,
everyone, nice to be here. Where you're northwarre penguins right they Yeah,
well there's no penguins the Antarctica. Yeah there, Yeah, in the
UK to looking for postal workers at the Antarctica. Really, yes, really,
there's a lot of penguins running around the place down there. Yeah.
Got a job. I don't know what it pays, but got to pay
really well man, as it turns out. So so tonight we're just sitting
around. We're talking about music and different music we like, and different anecdotes
and stuff like that. And but Lowis has to report on the answer to
the last trivia question that got a little lost in the cosmos here. So
the question was, when you open up the zipper on the what's the name
of the album and Sticky Things? When you open up the zipper on the
Rolling Stone Sticky Fingers album, it's a real zip like a fly? What
is behind that? Okay? And the traces were a Alex symbol, also
a cast, a plastic cast, and a balloon. Okay, so I'm
going to say it seems like I would remember this. I'm going to say
a balloon because that's like the cheapest thing to put in there. Well actually,
yeah, so what was originally originally planned? I got the whole question
wrong, and they were but it was too costly because there was the zipper
there as well. All right, okay, so what was supposed to be
there? Right? What was? It? Was a balloon? Or it
was a balloon? Okay? So I was wrong even though I was right,
I got it right. Yeah, okay, I said balloon. So
I'm going to throw this to the shade. I introduced everyone, right,
So I'm going to ask the shade. So you mentioned earlier talking about Johnny
Mitchell. Earlier, she's considered the queen, the music queen of Canada.
What you saying, well, mostly just in this part realism because she's from
for McLeod, Alberta. Right, Yeah, we're pretty proud of her.
Yeah, I mean, so she enjoys a larger reputation. Let's say here
in Alberta maybe than you know, say, Atlantic Canada. Oh are you
right? So Atlantic? So all those mooks in Atlantic Canada they just don't
get it. Is that what you're trying to say. No, they have
their own stars, like Ashley mcaiaac or Rita McNeil. Macawane was another one.
Macha Wan's from Edmonton too, And she used to hang out with Jimmy
Hendrix because she knew all the folk music. And I guess they used to
go off together in New York and sit and listen to folk music and she
used to they shared something there from back when he was younger, something like
that. It was an interesting story that meant passed away. A couple of
years ago we lost her. Jimmy Hendrix played in Greenwich Village and he played
in a band with Randy California of Spirit, and he gave Randy California his
name because in this band there were two Randy so one of them was,
you know, Randy Jones. And then he said, I got to remember
your name, so Randy California, Randy California kept that name. Brilliant guitarist
and Spirit. As we said earlier, is this kind of sixties jazz something,
but they were really good. And then he died and tried. He
died saving his son from drowning in Hawaii. Yes, yeah, it's terrible.
Yea a story those can you get us out of the depth of the
depression? They did an you think a balloon? Was the balloon? It
was just an interesting little one. In two thousand and nine, who presented
Keith Richards with the Rock Immortal Award during the Scream Awards held at the Greek
Theater in Los Angeles, California. That was a lot. Let me say,
did he know he was there? In two thousand and nine, who
presented Keith Richards with the Rock Immortal Award during the Scream Awards held at the
Greek Theater in Los Angeles, California. Two thousands and it was I'll give
you the choice. Let's see if anyone cash, it's going to be someone
like that. Go ahead, Rob no idea rob Johnny Depp? Good,
okay, all right, that's actually really good. Yeah answer, go ahead,
Please to say it is John Depp. Johnny, let's clap for rob
ok for the girls. Thanks, here's what's gonna be on my side.
Thank you. We can talk about Johnny Depp like a little bit and and
one one and I have talked about him, you know, a lot,
as it turns out. But here's the thing about Johnny Depp. He's not
as a musician, okay, who came to Hollywood and got on TV and
then in movies. And when you see him play, like with the Hollywood
Vampires or anything like that, the guys that he plays with wouldn't let him
play if he couldn't play, do you know what I mean? Jeff Beck
wouldn't let this freaking move on the stage if he couldn't play. And Jeff
Beck's one of little green plays ever, so he does play. He does
play a different kind of weird way, kind of a odd rhythm, but
he knows what he's doing. And they said he go over his house and
there's no pictures of movie posters or anything. It's all like guitars hanging up,
you know. The movies is just his his job in a way.
Yeah, interesting guy. And the guy can play too. Because I did
see the Hollywood Vampires last summer in Birmingham, UK, I'm thinking, you
know, maybe he's going to mail it in because he two weeks prior to
that show. He had this foot problem and he was laid up a little
bit, and there was all this scuttle about about him, you know,
kind of being you know, injured. I remember, I can remember.
So I thought that the show was going to get postponed or you know,
and I was prepared for that. Didn't happen. The show went on and
he didn't come out with a boot or anything like that. He looked like
he was fine, and I'm sort of focused in on. I had pretty
close seats too. I was pretty pretty well positioned to check him out,
and he was really doing his rock star thing and really playing because he had
opportunities to play without Joe Perry or Tommy Hendrickson, you know, overshadowing me
anyway. You know this. Keith Riches always talks about the anction out of
weaving with Ron Wood, and I thought that Johnny Depp did some decent weaving
with Joe Perry. I thought, you know, that's that's pretty good.
I was really paying attention, kind of like trading guitar. Yeah, trading
guitar. So did you bring them flowers? Did you bring them flowers to
Okay? He gave them a note and said, you have six months to
marry me. Now I'm going to do something impossible, and I'm going to
compare Joni Mitchell to Amber Heard. Okay, you ready for this, folks
shot? All right? What Taylor Taylor Swift on the same vein exactly.
So, Joni Mitchell, like I said earlier, had this thing where she
had every kind of rock stuff from Laurel Canyon and apparently she had a thing
with them, and they would write a song about her how nice she was,
and then she just dumped them. Who knows why? Okay, Amber
heard with Johnny Depp, Okay, she has a whole kind of odd social
life, but he put up with that, and then she goes through that
whole thing with him. And then who does she tag onto but Elon Musk.
I've told this story before. Okay. Now she hooks up with him,
and he's a nut anyway, but he goes in and out of like
different kind of you know. They would go together for two or three months
and then they'd break up, and it was very kind of dramatic. So
the anyway, he finally said to her, it sounds like Frank Navagadena frankly,
but she said, okay, I'll meet you in like San Diego,
Chili, Okay, and we're going to get back together. Now that's at
the bottom of the world where there's a lot of penguins, almost, And
she stood him up. She stood him up, all right, So you're
standing up the richest guy in the world or you know, the most famous
rich guy or something like that. And so what is it about her?
I should ask the women in the audience, because she not. They're they're
better looking women in the world and obviously better looking, a better roblem.
Housemaids. Listen, Sarah, do you want to say anything? Do you
you know, I don't know much about that story other than the you know,
the broad strokes of things. But I don't know. I mean,
sometimes it just comes down to, you know, personalities, and I don't
know. They're very unique individuals, let's put it that way. You know,
I don't know she she's definitely different. Well, yeah, that's on
the other side of the world. And that's not standing somebody up, that's
standing somebody down. The other relationship went around the dream the wrong way because
the famous story is like the same thing with Ava Gardner and you look at
Ava Gardner and yeah, there were more I'm looking at well, they're more
attractive women. They were more kind of you know anyway. But I don't
even know what she looks like. But she had this thing over Frankie,
right, and she'd break up with him, and he did the first concept
dabble in the wee hours of the morning. There are all these songs about
breaking up with her, and you know, he was like the Beatles,
he could probably get any girly one, but he was in love with her.
So finally she said to okay, listen, meet me in Paris.
We'll have dinner in Paris, and we're going to get back together. And
he did everything he like, maybe bought a new house or what an almost
and then she she shows up and they're there and they have drinks and they
put a dinner. She goes to the ladies room, she never comes back,
never comes back, breaks Frankie's hot and he rubbed out two or three
guys on the way home. I men whacked. Wow, Okay, I
didn't mean that either. I meant two in the hat. Yes, anyway,
So maybe go ahead, maybe maybe she stood up. I don't even
know who you were talking about, that famous singer. Well, yeah,
I know that either way, both women may have stood up these seemingly you
know, catches for a reason. Maybe they were jerks, Okay, and
send sending them down to Santiago chilly is a way of rubbing him in.
I mean, how else do you get back at somebody who there is really
rich? I don't know. You really can't speculate. One thing I know
is you just never know what goes on in other people's relationships. So all
right, never know everyone that you've been yes, okay, move along anyway.
I just googled a gardener because I don't know who she is, and
she is gorgeous. I mean, it was obviously she was discovered, wasn't
sure father something Everyone put her out in the front and somebody walked by and
saw a picture and in the shop or something like that. Okay, yeah,
yeah, but I don't know she's like you, like Giselle Bunching too,
don't you grizzle? As I call her Tom Brady's wife. I have
no opinion of that person at all, you know what I mean? Okay,
she's supposed to be like her, but now I've changed my opinion entirely.
She's the most beautiful woman in the world in quotes. Well, they
people who said that, you know somebody who's trying to push tom Brady,
she made him well maybe he loved her well well at the time. So
they live in adjacent mansions. Do you know that that they live next to
each other in different tom Brady, We're going to WHU. So I'm just
going to tell another story real quick, and I just want it and and
this is this is going to sound a little high, but just recently I
get into the music, though Lost is going to hate this of Miles Davis,
Okay, And to me, Miles Davis is way out in the strategy
of someway because I just don't kind of get jazz up. But I've been
listening to him recently and just trying to kind of getting it at the beginning
at the little baby steps. Anyway, So I've read stories about him,
and now everyone knows him as this guy jazz musician out there but had trouble
with people. I mean, isn't that his reputation, all right? He
was a tortured artist, Yeah right, yeah, But we've told the story
before his first opening naked at Burnley and he's out on the sidewalk having to
smoke and some cop comes along. Some drunk cop comes along and hits him
on the back of the head with a black jack and fractures his skull.
And they wouldn't bring him to the hospital right away. This is an opening
night, okay, so no wonder this guy kind of had a chip on
his shoulder, let's say, right. But he was known for just telling
people. In this book, I'm reading his biographone, you know about people
come up to a bar and he would just say, you don't get out
of my face, mother, you know. And I mean this was Miles
Davis unless you knew him, and the number of stories about he would play
in his back was always to the audience, and he was just mean to
everyone. And I would just like to know if at some point he said
that to it and they said, you know what Miles was you you know
what I mean, and knock them out. I was always just a front,
you know what I mean, because he wasn't a big guy. He's
not going to beat the hell out Maybe his body guyes, well, do
you know what I mean? Man, I'm looking at you for some reason
like you would know this. Why would you? Why would you put up
that kind of defense when people adore you. I mean, he's like a
god in the world of jazz. Hmmm, Sony, I don't know,
but go ahead, I got Are you ready? I want you to make
sure you're sitting down. I am now, I am heroin. Oh yeah,
okay, Well that's too makes you went from yeah yeah. And I
think it also accounts for a large percentage of the fifty percent people yes in
rock that aren't great people. I'm sure some naturally are not, but a
lot of them we're terrible, if I may. You guys know Jimmy Webb,
who is the co writer of Up, Up, and Away. We
met him, yet we met him one was playing out the Buffalo in Adam's
Mass. Yeah. Yeah, terrible voice put the great song one. So
here's the thing with him. Right, Like in the early nineties, my
father got laid off from his job and he needed He started fixing television sets,
and they would send them to people's houses back in those days to like
take a look at them. And I went with them one day, I
was like nineteen, and we went in this house and this guy with long,
greasy hair and bad skin answers the door and he lets us in and
there's this beautiful woman there with about seven or eight kids that it seems like
she's like homeschooling. She's got long underarm hair. And we're like, we're
in you know, we're in a hippie territory. Interesting in the year nineteen
ninety two. This is interesting. Wow. So he brings us over into
this corner of this house and he started. My father starts looking at the
TV and there's all these pictures on the wall, in these frames, and
like an idiot, like such a yokel, local yokel, I go,
you know, Michael Douglas, because I really liked Michael Douglas a lot.
And then the picture of them holding like a Marlin shirtless out in the middle
of the Atlantic, Oh my goodness. And he got really shitty with me,
and he said, Michael is a friend, and it's all right,
all right. So I kept my mouth shut and kept looking at more pictures.
My father takes the TV set, et cetera. I never thought another
thing about it. I did know, though, that his name was Jimmy
Webb because it was on the ticket. And then about eight to ten years
later, they're honoring Simon and Garfunkle on a network show and then they start
talking about him, and then he comes up and talks about them, and
I'm like, Dad, that's the guy. That's the guy right there,
that's the guy who like snipped at me Michael Douglass with TV. Yeah.
Absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's he. We saw
him play at a place called the Buffalo in or someplace in not the Adams
mass and it's a nice little venue. But he can't sing. But he
wrote, like up up, He wrote so many songs in that period of
like late nineteen sixty eight, up, up and way. But did he
write He wrote MacArthur Park got the Park right. He tells a story about
that, Richard Harris and uh yeah. And he did a lot of Glenn
Campbell's stuff. He did some Glenn Campbell songs and uh yeah, I think
just to bring it all the way back. So he wrote a biography and
in the biography he talks about getting clean, and he talks about the years
in which he was an unmanageable human being and in a great asshole. And
they happened to fall right in the years in which I met him. Yeah,
funny, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Even he
is yeah yeah, and he was okay. He told a lot of stories
and he would sing come of a song, but he cannot sing. He
can't sing. And then we we saw him later on downstairs because we get
backstage passes. We talked to him a little bit, but he looked a
little he was Southern. Remember, he had kind of an accent, and
he was He wasn't the most warm and fuzzy guy, but he wrote a
lot of good songs. I mean, you know, here's the guy who
can sit down at any moment rather like a hit freaking song. And you
got to admire room for that. I agree. I'll tell you. The
shortest meeting I ever had was with Jay Giles. Jay Giles. Okay,
so now I'm so madam. I'm working for a voice print at this point,
and somehow they get hooked up with Jay Giles old stuff. So and
he has this manager, and a lot of his old stuff is jazz.
Jake was actually kind of like a jazz player. He wasn't really a rock
guy. Uh So. Anyway, so he says he's going to be playing
at this place in the Buffalo in and Adams go out and see him.
Now, this is it. This is a re question from a Japanese jazz
magazine. Do an eight page interview in toward Japean and they'll be your sponsor.
Okay, now this is okay, right, So they set up the
meeting. We go into this room. He comes in. He's like,
he's like, he's like Lennon Bernstein. He's not done. Waym a jamma
guy. He's very stately and I tell him who I am, and he
says, I don't tour anymore. And he says, I said, well,
how about this interview. He says, talk to my man and drink
it up and walked out. It was like probably ten seconds. Yeah yeah,
so anyway, Jay Giles, Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. So uh
anyway, who should we go to? Let's go to one one one.
You must have another? Do you have another ian of hats? I'd like
a Nancy story. You know, I talked so much about Heart that it's
it's crazy. But let me talk about somebody, somebody else. I meant,
I didn't meet a lot of people face to face, A lot of
the rock stars face to face, you know, brush with fame and I'm
not worthy moments or something like that. But I did a concert at again
at the not the Worcester Centrum, but they think it was the Worcester Auditorium.
And I did the black Crows, Black crows coming back, yep,
black crows. Uh. The highest, the higher than the higher than the
moon tour, the higher than the moon tour. That's it, all right.
I have a short local crew. They know what you know, what
you're in for. Yep. Yeah, so kind of kind of it was
kind of an intimate show. They had a they had a instead of a
scrim they had like this big top but not a top. It was like
it looked like a fisherman's net with the lights strung through it and the big
marijuana leaf in the middle, and the whole place spelled like weed big time.
And back then it wasn't legally, you know, we're supposed to really
walk around with it and be smoking in public. But that place was that
was that thing was smoking right from the beginning, right from right from the
staging, the setup. I'm looking around, I'm going, who's smoking?
You know, you're supposed to be smoking in the place, you know.
And so I was errand boy by that day too. And after everything is
said and down and put together, I had to delivered some kind of envelope
of something. I don't know if it was a contract to what I get.
I get to deliver it to the band's dressing room area. Yes,
So they do my thing and and I'm looking around and I'm and there's uh,
Chris Robins, what's the space and leader of Black Cross, Chris Robins,
Chris Robs, Chris Robinson. N yeah, really yeah, and you
gave him the envelope. So I delivered the thing to Chris and he's there
with the tennis ball and he throws me the tennis ball. Oh cool,
okay, and it went okay, did you catch it and threw it back
to him yep, and he bounced passed it back to me. Really,
I found a seat. I said, okay, I'll just go with this
because I've done my thing. I've given I've given him the thing, and
I'm ready to leave, but I'm not going to leave. I'm going to
play tennis ball. So I'm playing tennis ball with the guy and just talking
and yeah, you guys are great, you know, you know it's cool
to have. But this was see that was ninety two, right, rob
the higher than yeah, yeah, higher than the moon. So that was
their best album and best tour and it was ninety two. And was he
going out with Kate Hudson then or not? I came later, Yeah,
yeah, they had, they had split up because I thought it was in
you know, the second level of Kate Hudson. But I wasn't really you
know, oh wow. At first I was thinking, I'm this tennis ball
has Chris Robinson's hands on it, which touching Kate? Well, yes,
tennis balls. True, So that was kind of my almost brush almost preferred
it as that may have sounded yes, didn't like, Hey, I'm local
crew, what do you want from me? I do what has to be
done and then you know, if I have any tidbits after that, that's
great. Cheap trick though, cheap trick. There. There are a bunch
of guys in the food you know, the all you can eat buff aything.
It's it's it's dinner time. I can see them doing that. Yeah,
they do. And I was in the they invited to sin. I
mean, some of the guys I was working with, they could care less
about hanging out with the band. I was like, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, whatever, I'll do it. Yeah. So I go
in and I'm there's like a food line, but there's a big steam table
and the bands on one side. I was on the other side with some
other band members, and I was being cool and just have being proper,
not being I'm not worthy kind of Oh my god. But that's how I
felt inside. Is I always liked you trick. Yeah, they're good.
There I am, there you are? Yeah, yeah, it was okay.
Yeah. When I started ringing away, I was in heaven, you
know. I was in heaven man being a local crew and doing that hard
work. I did hard work like that for Counting Crows. I'll never forget
that. Paula Cole was the opening act. Rock Rock Ports owned and the
the house sound guys who putting their risees together, and I was helping to
help them them do that, and they were talking about, yeah, they
just got off the tour with Rolling Stones. Always said you you work with
the Rolling Stones? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. And
I didn't know until he got into the story that that they toured with the
Rolling Stones. Yeah, I could know. I brought my daughter in to
the show. The crew calls the six Am. Woke her up at about
three thirty in the morning, and the two and a half hour drive to
get to Bolster and her my daughter's job. She brought a sketch book and
she was going to draw me working. She was just gonna sit in the
sit in the one of the audience chairs and draw me doing this, doing
that. And she was doing that. So the house sound guy goes to
me and says, uh, is such your daughter. I said, yea,
it's Alison. She's she's kind of an artist. And she wanted to
know. Was like, take take the dad, to take take your daughter
to work work so cool. He said, well, do you think she'd
like to watch the show from the sound riser over here? We got extra
couple extra chairs and she gets I said, gee, that thanks for the
invitation. I will ask her if she wants to do that. Is it
Alison? I was like to sit in the the prime seat in the auditorium
with the sound guys. I mean, you really have a good view there.
You kind of elevated a little bit. He turned it down because there
was going to be some marsh pit activity. I said, marsh pit with
counting crows. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm thinking, you know,
I didn't thinks the guard man I didn't think crows at that time.
It was kind of marsh pit material. We never were right. It wasn't
like you know, that's kind of yeah yeah, yeah, different kind of
sound. But there are no tattoos and counting I really don't remember that show.
That's the name of the book. A little bit of a marsh pit
going on. Huh, nothing really heavy duty, but there was something going
on, and Allison loved it, and uh you know, she turned she
turned it down with hanging out with a former Stones worker Stone's roadies at the
soundboard. It was something I would have liked to have done. Yeah,
yeah, I said, yeah, I said. My daughter Allison is saying
thanks, but no thanks. But tell you what, just sit down there,
do it. I'm chilling. Let me. I want to ask I'm
mad a question, okay, and I have to ask Robert question too.
We're coming almost down to the end of it is a true lost is it
true? I think you have twenty more minutes? Okay, So man,
this is a real show business question. So now you had Counting Crows and
you have black Crows. Was the River kind of a you know, a
place where you were being confused one band being confused with the other they were
having the same time kind of right, yeah, but honestly nowadays that so
long ago was the nineties, although I guess both bands are still out there
touring. I know Counting Cruise is there's also Sheryl Crow, So there was
this cruise. There's a Crow. Yeah. And but if I tell somebody
I was in Cotton Crows, they'll come back and say, oh, you
were in the Black Cruise. No, no, count Yeah, blurring happening,
you know. But we weren't alike in any way. The Black Crows
were very hard hitting and Counting Cruise was very bookish, you know, Americana
folky rock rock. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did I tell you my
led Zeppelin story? Oh? Please tell us when when I'm at John Paul
Jones. Oh no, no, no, hear this. This is it's
like a Ringo story, but in a different way. In both stories,
my ego goes up and smoke, you know. So wow, Okay,
So Counting Crows just finished recording our first album. It's the biggest record.
It's called August and Everything after. It has mister Jones. It sold seven
million copies. So we just finished recording that record. We weren't touring yet,
so all I knew was that recording a record was really hard. It's
like going under a microscope. We had a great producer named Tibo, and
Burnett jumped into the record with all of us and all of our parts and
all of our songwriting, and he was the best producer we ever had.
So we just finished the record. We're not touring for about three or four
months, not until well, the record wasn't even so we'll go back home
to our little houses. Went up to the back, back up in northern
California, Barria, and Tebo Burnette, our producer, is playing a concert
in a converted church in San Francisco. So this is about a month or
two after we were done, and we all knew te Bow and we love
him. He invited us to come see him play. So we went there
to this church and I wore a tied eye with the members of led Zeppelin
sort of making a Celtic cross on this tied eye all their heads. It
was my cool. And I show up at this church to see t Bone
and after the concert, t Bone introduces me backstage. It's this little converted
church in San Francisco. There was probably one hundred and fifty people at the
show, and there was probably ten or fifteen people backstage, and he introduces
me to this guy named John Paul Jones. I had never met a celebrity,
you know, or let alone a rock star or celebrity anybody important to
me. So I thought of a member of led Zeppelin being in San Francisco
in this little church with me was impossible. My brain, you know how
the brain can't handle it, and it will see what it wants to see.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, funny, yes, yes, I you
know, I would not have believed it. So anyway, I'm shaking this
guy's hand and thinking what kind of jerk would name himself after led Zeppelin's base
player. He meanwhile, I was probably looking at his own face on my
shirt, and so anyway, I didn't I didn't put it together. And
as we're leaving about ten minutes later, you know, he goes open to
soda or a beer. I really I looked at his nostrils and saw the
same nostrils from the song Remains the Same movie, and that's John Paul Jones.
And then we left, we had to leave and say higher, and
I was traumatized from you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it was in the area of producing a butthole surfers record. That's why he
was really a little surfers. I have one of their records. Really,
yeah, you're the ones. Yes, and Zeppelin is not a lot of
zeppein fans would argue, but they're not a heavy metal band. They're more
of an electrified folk and world band. H yeah, yeah, interesting,
yes, true. Yeah, they were putting that heavy metal category for some
reason. I think it had something more to do with the rock writers than
anything else. But but you know, they had like they were definitely not
heavy metal. Premium rocket Towers too. You know, just Rob, go
ahead, you must want to say something. No, No, I mean
I think he's right. I think Bottom is the one that throws them into
like another sphere. It's almost impossible to hear that bombasticness and not say,
oh this this is heavy something. Matter of fact, one and I were
having a good conversation at some point about how they relate to the other Big
four, the Who and and then the Beatles and the Rolling Stones, and
the thing that you can't argue is that they are definitely sonically larger, bombastic,
and as a result, I think that's why those other three bands sometimes
look at them with a crooked eye and say like, well, we're not
that. We're more like Pure with the Blues, and they're something new,
right, I think how they found themselves there. Yeah yeah, but did
you know that there's a sorry, no, go ahead please. Well I
wanted to say that I listened to Stairway to Heaven about probably ten years ago,
because it's you know, how you know music so well you just don't
even listen to listen to it any more. I haven't listened to a Beatles
record in twenty years, and I know everything you know, and so I
put it on with like new headphones with little air pods or something and really
listen to it. And there's no fuzz guitar and Stairway to Heaven. This
is an amazing fact. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
It increases effects. I think some bands you got two carried away with
effects, you would think it would be yep. I think Keith Richards always
likes to say that he never uses any effects, that he's ever used him
effects go out date, yeah, right, yeah, exactly right, yep,
yeah, and the thing would stay with heaven and I can't remember last
time I heard it either, But I saw Knit to You with Jimmy Page,
and he said, if you listen to it, really listened to it,
it increases in speed very gradually, very very gradually. Okay, until
at the end it's the same song, but they're just like rocking out and
it's nuts. And he said, yeah, I did that. Yeah,
he did it on purpose, you know, just just increase the speed and
also increase the instruments, how to bring the instruments in and stuff like that.
Just really creative. I'm sure they're sick of playing it. And anytime
you go into a guitar world or someplace and you pick up a guiti and
you stop playing it, they say, no, no, no, no,
you can't take cashmir instead. Right, yeah, But that's why I
like about Heart. Heart is a good band that yeah, yeah, yeah,
And they do a good job with it. They don't they don't ruin
it, right, yeah, yeah, they enhance it. Actually, they
do a really good job with it. I saw them, I saw them
one one. The Vietnam War kind of gave us heart? Is that not
correct? I'm sorry what I say, the Vietnam War gave us heart?
How do you mean? Well, the two guys, the two guys from
Seattle that jumped ship and came into Canada were escaping the draft. You're right,
Yeah, they kind of hung out in Canada to and form that band,
and I Roger Fisher and Steve Fawson. Yeah, a very good one.
Very Colia loves that band. Yeah, much heart. It's like they're
adopted, Oh Western Canada. We grew up with him, Yeah, we
grew up with them. Hey, Matt, that's fifty four forty fifty four?
What is it before? Forty is a band out of Victoria? Okay.
I was just saying to Matt that a friend of mine that grew up
in the hood. I went to watch him and then there's my friend in
the hood playing with him, and I'm like, hey, there you are
kind of like wow. I was trying to tell Matt that I kept going
to you be forty. I'm like, no, I'm not you f fifty
yep. Yeah, yeah, I can't say I've heard of them still playing.
Good band, yeah, good good music. Probably some police call or
something like the Van Halen album was fifty one forty One't that just arrested?
It's the police code for a crazy person. In Los Angeles. There you
go, they think that, right. So we're gonna while we're coming down
to the antea, I'm going to really, really very quickly tell you this
story. And I cannot reveal the person's name, but I just wanted this
is just an incident of rock star being a rock star. So anyway,
I'm doing publicity for this rock star, well known, well known, certainly
well known to everyone here. And if you know who I'm talking about,
please don't stand it in the air because they always get really unlucky. Don't
saying on the air, say it on the air. Anytime I tell this
story to anyone, I get it like really unlucky about two weeks. Well,
because it's interesting, thank you lost. So anyway, look we have
ten minutes to kill, you know. Anyway, So this person was doing
a New Year's Eve show in Philly Big It's going to be big. And
the day before they were doing a show in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, a morning
show where they wanted to come on. They wanted them to come on,
play their song and then get interviewed. The show is eight in the morning.
They wanted this artist to come in and play the song at seven point
thirty. They were going to pre record. At then eight o'clock they do
the interview they put in the tape by binging about the door, right.
So first of all, they didn't want to get up early to do this,
so they had them change the whole schedule around you know, I'm going
to play. And then they were literally three blocks away from the TV station.
They're in a hotel in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, and they wanted a limo
and the station wasn't going to give him a limo. It's intensively, it's
in Bethlehem, you know, I'm surprised they have their own TV stations.
So they made a request through me to get in touch with their the head
of their fan club in Philly, to drive up to Bethlehem. I have
no idea how far away that is to drive them the three blocks, you
know from I said to him, why don't you take a cab. We
don't take cabs. And I'm trying to deal with this stuff, okay,
So anyway, yeah, it's a couple of hours. Anyway, I'm trying
to I'm thinking anyway, So and I'm in touch the fan club guy.
I said, don't do it. Don't do it. Just just let him
take a freaking cab, you know, don't do it. No, he
has to do it. A blizzard hits okay, and this guy drove like
six hours up to drive them three blocks, wait and drive, have him
the three blocks back and he goes back to Philly. Meanwhile, the sky
gets on a plane. He's in Philly before the poor guy even gets back
there in a car. And I said to him, it's over an hour
drive. It's over an hour drive. Yeah, but the storm. And
I said, don't do it, don't do it, man, don't do
it. But he did it. He did it because he was just so
devoted to this guy. And I said, that's irresponsible in a way,
you know what I mean. Come on, come on, really, you
don't want to take a freaking How about walk? Try walking would be interesting.
But anyway, they're not all nice guys. I've met some who were
great guys, you know, not that I've meant a lot of them,
but they're good guys, you know, they just happen to make it a
music loo. Look at Matt. He does not have any kind of a
rock shop or around him. Is he pretentious? He just I never belonged
in a rock band. I never felt comfortable. Yeah that's funny. Yeah,
but you mean that I've talked to you before. You really never felt
comfortable with that band. Would you have been would you have felt better in
a different band like stee Iye Span or something? Uh? Possibly, you
know, I mean I was Uh yeah. The rock business is a blunt
business and a blunt art form, and it can do its own toll on
you if you're a delicate type of person, you know, and definitely that
you know. Uh, it's just a it's just crawling. I mean,
I'm a spiritual type. I go to India, So the rock world is
just crawling with an atheistic sort of blunt sexual sexuality. Uh successful debauchery.
Yes, yes, yes, which is which is great you know for but
it's just down, up and down, you know. And I wasn't the
type, you know, I was never. Uh but Mick, you reminded
me of sometime I wanted to say, real quick, I know we're winding
down or Rick Wakeman's story. Did you know about this where Rick complained a
couple of times to his record label that he didn't have more of a brew
haw when he landed in a in a plane in his airport. I think
it was at Heathrow or maybe a private airport, a small airport with a
private flight. And so his record label, I think it was when he
was doing a solo record and his label rented a marching band one day to
go run walk down the runway and Rick got it. To his credit,
he laughed his head off and understood exactly what was happening. He saw the
marching game because Rick Wakeman's arriving at the airport. Yeah. Yeah, he
has a sense of humor. He's like a comedian ass No, no,
no, no, no, no no. I've bet him once I was
I was on backstage and I had a I had like a Chicago Cubs hat
on something. I can't imagine that right, But he said to me he
saw it, and he said, what did the Yankees do tonight? I
got the New York yang And he goes, yeah, he said, why
do you follow in the New York Yankees? He goes, I love the
uniforms. No, he's he's a good guy. I've set up some stuff
for him to be interviewed in London and stuff. And when I was working
for Rob when I was right for the boy sprint and he's all right,
he's okay, you know I mean that band yes is just talk about press
five different personalities their original members. Wow, you know what I mean?
How does Chris Squy get along with Bill Bruford? They're just like two opposite
people? And Anderson? How did John Nynsen get along with any of them?
Really? They really didn't, you know, but they but they were
successful, you know what I mean? The pots came together, you know.
Yeah, So I think that's where lois. What is your other timekeeper?
What is it is the train crashed into the station. I do believe
we need to call time. Wrap it up? Okay, wrap it up?
Okay? So does anyone have a real quick story to tell? Really
quick? Rob to have something in the in the chain. But you know
how, we're talking about a lot of nice rock stars today. People did
nice things. And along those lines, I could tell you very quickly that
I have a high school classmate that moved out to Los Angeles and he was
struggling with employment, took a job at radio shack. Pat Benatar and Neil
Gerardo came into the radio shack and they wanted some things like lots of things
to help wire their house up. And he knew all that stuff. He
was an audio file and he said, I'd be happy to help you,
you know, went to their house. They paid him handsomely. They became
friends, and they consistently used him for this and that. Nice and then
he was having trouble they let him move in. Thenfortunately the radio guy what
Unfortunately he got cancer after that they according to my other classmates, and I
like, I don't know this firsthand, but according to my other classmates,
he did pass away, and both her and Neil paid for the funeral.
Wow. Really nice people on one hand, obviously terrible news on the other
hand, another expression of being human. Yeah, goodwill and yeah goodwill,
yeah yeah yeah yeah. Meanwhile, I heard this story real quick about the
Kinks. Okay, So mak Pullman, the no belly button man, his
brother ran a pin a diner up in Hampton Beach. Okay, Hampton Beach
if you know it, Matt has been there, We've had lunch there,
Matt Okay, the riot capital of New Hampshire. So the guy, so,
he's running this diner down the street, and the guy who runs the
casino says, hey, listen, the Kinks would like to eat after the
show, could just stay open, okay, and usually he closed at nine,
but he stays open till midnight. Okay. Find the Kinks roll in
at the two brothers and the two other guys, and he prepares a whole
meal for them, takes that hour, they're there, the drinking, they're
having a great time. Gives them the bill and they stiff them on the
tip up him. Holy man, the freaking Kinks so on that I think
we should have ended it. Well, we could have ended onat Benita,
but listen, it's twenty twenty four. Anyway. Let me thank everybody.
Let me think that we're gonna clap everyone out. Let me thank the shades
up there in Edmonton, Canada. Thank you Kivin Sa. Thanks for having
Kivin Sarah. Okay, thank you for joining us. I'm gonna thank Matt
Nalley. Let's come on, let's go give it up on Matt. Thank
you, Matt. We appreciate it. We'll talk to you soon. You
go on YouTube and see him playing Shamrock. Sure is that the name of
that song? I'm starting a YouTube, So my second folks on is Patty's
Green Shamrock Shore. It's about Irish immigration to America on sailing ships. Really
nice, yeah, really really well done, very well done. Thanks for
joining us, Matt. We appreciate it. My pleasure always. Thank you
Rob for us. We appreciate it. Okay, thanks he only a fantastic
company. Can you cook? You look like Stanley Tushi? Can you cook
you? I hear my wife cooking downstairs. That's a good that's a good
thing to hear, as it turns out. Thanks Rober. Okay, we're
going to clap for Rob because Lois, because everybody. That's okay, what
everyone needs a trophy? You not in my book, but he deserves to
be applauded. Thank you, one one, one one, Thank you when
it comes out. Okay, pleasure is all mine. We're clapping for you.
Tube the man so nice. They named him twice. That's right,
very good. Also, Lois, thank you very much, Lois, thanks
for joining us. And you're also they get away caught the night so plate.
Yeah, that's right. Happy to be here. Thanks for yourself.
It's okay, one clap, one hand clapping, all right, So I
just want to thank everybody. Let me just quickly do the plugs Homestrud Troops
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They built homes for people veterans who were hurt in combat after nine to eleven,
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hundred thousand dollars one furnished. Incredible, incredible. They give them, they
give them the keys, they rip up the mortgage, they don't have to
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thing about the mortgage all over their head every month. Okay, very very
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so please cool them, see what they're about. Also, we end
of his show now these Days saying John McCain was not a loser. Okay,
here's a war hero. You don't make fun of people like that.
You look up to them. And so this is Mac for the rest the
whole gang. See please until you hear us again. What do I say?
Be safe, be safe, be happy, and bye bye bye bye