WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.679 --> 00:00:07.839 This week we look at unorthodox methods of seeking data from the past and present 2 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:15.119 in the future. Not using lightar, not using research investigations and documents to 3 00:00:15.279 --> 00:00:23.719 find ancient sites ancient artifacts. We're talking about using the mind clairvoyance technique known 4 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:28.640 as remote viewing. Now we've had other people on the program talking about using 5 00:00:28.760 --> 00:00:34.240 remote viewing, but today we have the experts. This is Russell targ and 6 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:39.840 the team that brought us what was known as the Stargate program, which eventually 7 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:46.640 morphed into remote viewing. Today's program features a new book by Russell called Third 8 00:00:46.679 --> 00:00:52.240 Eye Spies Learn Remote Viewing from the Masters, and will be part of a 9 00:00:52.320 --> 00:01:00.479 two part series on remote viewing, culminating with an archaeologist talking about his work 10 00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:40.840 and finding ancient sites. All this and more today on Earth Ancients for Saturday, 11 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:48.159 August nineteenth, twenty twenty three. This is Earth Ancients. I'm your 12 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:57.159 host, Cliff Dunning. A note on today's introduction. I didn't realize that 13 00:01:57.239 --> 00:02:02.519 my microphone had stopped working, and so you're going to hear the first part 14 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:07.439 of this show from a defective mike. That's why I sound like I'm in 15 00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:10.879 a garage. I'm sitting in a garage and speaking with you. So apologies 16 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:17.680 for that, but here is today's program. There you are, Hey, 17 00:02:17.719 --> 00:02:23.000 you doing, Come on in and have a seat. Excited about today's program 18 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:29.199 and for the actual programming for the next two weeks is provocative, unique, 19 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:35.919 and typical for Earth ancients. If you're a regular listener. We depend on 20 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:45.240 the orthodox archaeologists historians to give us data through the measurements, through the scientific 21 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:54.199 aspects of being able to see data on the ground through excavations of sites discovery, 22 00:02:54.879 --> 00:03:01.520 and this can be digging, finding evidence of ruins. We're able now. 23 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:07.680 Science is and I don't want to use the word science too much because 24 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:15.960 we have issues with scientific evidence scientific practices in the field of anthropology and archaeology. 25 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:25.120 They are being aided greatly with unique technologies like LDAR scanning technologies, sometimes 26 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:36.360 by satellite, most often planes and helicopters that have this scanning technology added to 27 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:44.879 it, and we're getting back evidence of unseen ruins. With ruins we can't 28 00:03:44.879 --> 00:03:49.319 see with the naked eye, but we can see with lightar because this technology 29 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:55.879 eliminates the camouflage of trees, bushes, grasses, even in many cases a 30 00:03:55.879 --> 00:04:02.639 few feet underground. The technology pierce pierces the surface and we get data. 31 00:04:02.919 --> 00:04:09.360 But this is what we have right now. But this is in many ways 32 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:19.839 is frustrating because we don't have the data inform in the form of books, 33 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:29.720 evidence, hieroglyphics that talk about who, what these places are, who built 34 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:36.800 them, and the time period. This is most prominently coming to bear on 35 00:04:36.920 --> 00:04:44.839 us when we look at places like Guatemala, where a survey was done very 36 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:49.360 recently I think it was twenty eighteen from the University of Guatemala and a number 37 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:55.600 of independent scientists who scanned the Bias Fear of Guatemala. I think it was 38 00:04:55.639 --> 00:05:01.519 two hundred square miles and discovered not a few hundred, not a few thousand, 39 00:05:02.079 --> 00:05:12.040 sixty thousand unknown cities, buildings, pyramids, temples of the ancient Maya. 40 00:05:12.399 --> 00:05:16.279 We had doctor Richard Hansen on the program about a year and a half 41 00:05:16.279 --> 00:05:21.319 ago, and he flat out said it's going to take two hundred plus years 42 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:30.120 for properly survey, categorize, and understand just how big this is. That's 43 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:35.000 the tip of the iceberg. When we keep looking, and we still we 44 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:41.720 look at the light our scans that have been done since then. There was 45 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:48.319 a team from the University of Arizona who scanned an area in the Pacific region 46 00:05:48.439 --> 00:05:57.920 of Mexico and came back with five hundred unknown temples, pyramids, platforms, 47 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:05.560 play called them and other peculiar buildings. I say peculiar because archaeologists can only 48 00:06:06.399 --> 00:06:14.480 consider their training. In other words, they are using one hundred year plus 49 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:20.920 references in their teachings people that have been long dead. And I mean, 50 00:06:20.959 --> 00:06:29.839 I'm lucky to have ed Barnhardt as a friend and as a collaborator when I 51 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:35.920 do writing and when I'm looking at ruins. But what's asked quite fascinating about 52 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:43.439 light art is it's returning to us very unusual structures. These what they call 53 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:47.240 platforms really don't make any sense to me because they're so big. There's one 54 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:55.199 in southern Mexico that was discovered that's approximately the length and width of a runway, 55 00:06:55.279 --> 00:07:00.079 an airplane runway. It's fact, in fact, it's identical if I 56 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:05.399 were even to suggest this being a runway. And by the way, these 57 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:12.160 are dated to three thousand plus years old. This is pre Classic, pre 58 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:16.639 Classic Maya. We don't really know a lot about the pre Classic period, 59 00:07:17.160 --> 00:07:24.920 but what we do know is the great design and engineering of many of these 60 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:30.519 Mayan cities begins in the pre Classic period. We don't know the language from 61 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:35.639 that period. The hieroglyphics are kind of strange, and there's a whole group 62 00:07:35.720 --> 00:07:42.759 of archaeologists that are looking at this early period. But because their training is 63 00:07:42.879 --> 00:07:51.800 limited and they're very challenged when it comes to pushing beyond that data that we're 64 00:07:51.879 --> 00:08:00.879 left with evaluations from these people that don't fulfill what we're looking at and the 65 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:09.639 data. Now today we're talking about unorthodox scanning techniques and this comes into play 66 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:18.240 and we begin talking about individuals like Edgar Casey, Madame Boblaski Levasky, and 67 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:28.759 the whole remote viewing phenomenon that is bringing up data from the ancient past. 68 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:35.360 So today our program is on remote viewing and we have the founder co founder 69 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:45.120 of remote viewing, Russell targ as our guestity. But Russell begins with the 70 00:08:45.159 --> 00:08:52.200 foundation of remote viewing. We get we begin to see the evidence and then 71 00:08:52.440 --> 00:09:00.759 the collaboration of other sciences with remote viewing and how it has been in effective 72 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:09.279 in finding not only individuals, but ancient ruins and other historic places with the 73 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:15.120 technique. Now, why I'm excited about this is that This week it's Russell 74 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:22.639 Tark. Next week it's an actual anthrop archaeologist who has used remote viewing to 75 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:26.639 find ancient sites, and that's doctor Stephen Schwartz, who will be my guest 76 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:33.639 next week. This is a whole This whole field is exciting, but it's 77 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:39.159 limited because the universities do not accept this data even in the face of great 78 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:48.120 evidence. It's an orthodox They can't verify it with our current scientific protocols, 79 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:54.679 and so the scientific method does not come into play. And so when we 80 00:09:54.799 --> 00:10:00.840 have these tools that are being used, it has to be from researchers, 81 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:07.279 from scientists outside of the university setting. Now what does that mean. Well, 82 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:09.279 when you have the university setting, you can get grants, you can 83 00:10:09.320 --> 00:10:16.759 get funding, you can get the money you need to verify what a remote 84 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:26.639 viewer or a clairvoyant has discovered in collaboration with anthropologists and other sciences archaeology. 85 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:35.240 Now why should I even bother considering this? Well, when it comes to 86 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:41.080 extremely old civilizations like the Maya, I, like the Sumerians, like the 87 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:48.000 Egyptians, the people who are researching these places, who are funded to look 88 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:56.879 at and do excavations of these places, are limited because of their education. 89 00:10:56.440 --> 00:11:00.840 This goes with anything, and I've talked about this a lot, be it 90 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:05.279 a physician, be it an anthropologist, and archaeologists they can only go as 91 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:13.360 far as their education. It's the rare archaeologist who is able to pierce the 92 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:20.799 veils of their limited education and think about the other possibilities. Let me give 93 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:24.120 you a great example, and we've had him on the show. Doctor Greg 94 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:31.919 Little worked with the Edgar Casey Foundation approximately fifteen to twenty years ago, and 95 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:37.399 he talked about this. Took some remote viewing, and Edgar Casey, for 96 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:41.759 all purposes, is a remote viewer, even though he's considered one of the 97 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:50.720 great psychics of our time. Took some data, some readings from Edgar Casey 98 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:56.799 and the Edgar Casey Foundation and actually went to a number of locations. One 99 00:11:56.840 --> 00:12:01.320 of them was the Bemini Islands, another place was in Honduras, another place 100 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:07.600 was in Guatemala, and was able to verify what Edgar Casey said about the 101 00:12:07.679 --> 00:12:13.240 landscape, about the temples and what they might find there. Now, Greg 102 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:18.559 is very careful not to reveal a great deal of what he did find, 103 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:24.759 but we do know that from another archaeologist, and that has to be William 104 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:33.639 Denado that there are pyramids, temples, and other buildings that are in and 105 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:39.840 nearby the Bimini area a few hundred feet underwater. And if you don't know 106 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:43.240 who William Denado is, we've had him on the show a couple of different 107 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:52.720 times and what he's brought back is pretty fascinating. Again, Donato and doctor 108 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:58.799 Little have to use their own funds to do the research, and this is 109 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:03.519 where we have a fall off. We have a break from the research because 110 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:13.080 it's just it's expensive. It's hector to rent side scan sonars and even today, 111 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:18.679 even though the price of using lightar has dropped significantly, it's still a 112 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:24.919 core of a million dollars to access the technology. And then with anything else, 113 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:33.440 you have to find an interpreter who adjusts the scans and extracts the data. 114 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:37.960 And in this case with light ar, the data are the ruined temples, 115 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:43.159 pyramids, buildings, complexes and cities. So I'm excited because I've been 116 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:48.759 wanting to have Stephen Schwartz on the program for a while. He is our 117 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:54.919 guest next week and he's fascinating. But today we're going to hear the fundamentals 118 00:13:54.080 --> 00:14:01.919 of using remote viewing, and I'm going to play real quickly. Here a 119 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:07.120 recording that was done by Courtney Brown's team, and he is the president of 120 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:13.399 the Farsight Institute. We've had Courtney on the program of couple of times. 121 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:20.440 But here is an individual who is looking at the building of the Great Cheops 122 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:30.639 Pyramid, the Great Pyramid at Giza, and gave two of his top viewers 123 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:35.720 evidence or excuse me, targets. And when I say targets, these are 124 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:41.879 some cases. It could be the geographical coordinance, the latitude and longitude of 125 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:52.000 a location. It can be evidence of buildings for descriptions of an area close 126 00:14:52.039 --> 00:14:58.720 to the pyramids. That helps the remote viewer target and actually see what's going 127 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:03.399 on. But he asked these two individuals and the one we're going to hear 128 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:09.080 from his dick Leeghry, who will describe for us a couple of different features 129 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:11.840 in the building of the Great Pyramids. So let's how a quick listen. 130 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:20.519 Then the viewer notes that large numbers of subjects were associated with this target, 131 00:15:20.559 --> 00:15:26.240 and there is a sense of activity that is both scientific and shamanistic. Crystals 132 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:30.120 are used in some manner. There is a tremendous display of energy that is 133 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:33.480 witnessed by these many subjects. There is also the sense that the energy is 134 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:39.840 connected to a grid or lay lines. Now, let's look at a video 135 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:43.679 that was recorded live while Dick Algier was doing one of his sessions for this 136 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:48.879 target. Listen carefully to how he describes the mining activity that was used to 137 00:15:48.919 --> 00:15:56.879 obtain the largest rocks used to construct the Great Pyramid of Giza. Radiating lines 138 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:06.679 of energy. Okay, so like all focused on a very precise point. 139 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:18.399 So this is and it's not. It's like focused beams, but it's not 140 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:22.519 in the visual. You wouldn't see it physically, but I can see it 141 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:27.399 remote viewing it. I can sense the energy coming in and it's I don't 142 00:16:27.519 --> 00:16:34.399 get a is there a sound to it. It's a very high frequency. 143 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:49.600 It's harmonic. Energy converges, integers multiples of component frequency that rings like a 144 00:16:49.679 --> 00:17:03.440 bell tesla. Just intensely focused beams all converge and cause a reaction right here 145 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:14.279 that radiates outward. I can't draw it right radiates outward. It's a compression. 146 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:21.359 It's a it's a it comes in, converges, it becomes almost like 147 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:25.079 a black hole, and then radiates outward. And it's like when you watch 148 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:30.440 a nuclear test from up above in uh Nevada Desert and they show you can 149 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:33.920 see the land, and the land kind of it kind of burps, interrupts 150 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:40.680 and bubbles up a second, and then it uh it collapses down into itself 151 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:45.160 and then radiates out. So it's this energy comes it reacts, it comes 152 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:49.039 up, and then it collapses down and then it initiates a reaction and it 153 00:17:49.039 --> 00:17:55.880 it keeps radiating out. So here's the initial reaction after the these beams of 154 00:17:56.000 --> 00:18:00.400 energy that are not visible, but there's frequent waves, not sound waves. 155 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:04.680 There's something very compact and compress. It happens and it affects the land. 156 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:11.960 And then I just keep coming back to the Nevada test site where the land 157 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:19.640 you can just see that instant of detonation underground something and it's not a I 158 00:18:19.640 --> 00:18:26.400 don't think it's a nuclear detonation is way cleaner than that and different. It 159 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:40.839 just the land reacts comes up ever so slightly buckles caves in like a like 160 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:47.079 a fast acting sinkhole. So the land kind of sinks and deflates, and 161 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:51.960 as it deflates, it sets off other reactions where the land, the rock 162 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:56.920 cracks and I think there's secondary fissures and this happens, and this is just 163 00:18:56.039 --> 00:19:04.200 all within a very brief time span and break this down. I'm going to 164 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:08.559 place this video, which is over an hour. Obviously we can't play the 165 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:15.720 whole piece here on my program, but I'm going to place the YouTube video 166 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:21.079 on Earth Ancients Facebook and that's the group and the international page, which will 167 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:26.839 automatically populate to the Earth Ancients dot com page, and you go to Facebook 168 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:32.000 feed, you'll see it. But you can actually hear the descriptions of how 169 00:19:32.079 --> 00:19:36.839 the Great Pyramid was built, what the manpower was, and what the technology 170 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:41.200 was at the time. Now, it sure looks like there were some sound 171 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:52.319 vibration technology in play when you hear these researchers looking that far back, So 172 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:56.200 that's kind of cool. It kind of gives you a sense that, wow, 173 00:19:56.799 --> 00:20:00.640 this is something to consider. Now, how do we validate remote viewing? 174 00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:07.079 Well, first of all, we need the funding to find and go 175 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:14.839 to the location. Number two would be target the location through excavation. Excavate 176 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:18.079 the area, remove the sand, remove the dirt, remove the foliage. 177 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:22.720 If there's budget, do a scan, do a light oar scan to extract 178 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:30.680 specifically where the details are now. Remember, lightar is so good that it 179 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:37.839 is literally saving archaeologists serious money obviously, if they can target the specific location 180 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:48.160 and years of plodding through and digging the area the guests area up and hoping 181 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:56.440 to find the details. So the program today is an introduction an understanding of 182 00:20:56.640 --> 00:21:04.240 remote viewing with Russell Tar and the program's called Remote Viewing, Past, Present 183 00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:15.400 and Future. 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So the Curious human condition has a number of amazing faculties 201 00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:38.599 and one of them is clairvoyance and other sensitivities that we consider psychic abilities. 202 00:23:40.640 --> 00:23:45.160 And we've had a number of people on the program talking about the great psychics 203 00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:53.640 like Edgar Casey and other individuals who have used their psychic abilities to delve into 204 00:23:53.720 --> 00:24:00.799 the ancient past. We've had other individuals that have discussed the term remote viewing. 205 00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:07.240 One of them was Courtney Brown, and today we have and I'm really 206 00:24:07.359 --> 00:24:15.680 happy to have him with us. We have the founder and the one of 207 00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:22.799 the top individuals who designated and actually used this technique with a program called Stargate 208 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:30.240 at SRI back in the and the and the eighties. He worked with the 209 00:24:30.279 --> 00:24:34.240 CIA to develop this. And this is Russell targ Is my guest today. 210 00:24:34.279 --> 00:24:41.839 The book we are discussing is Third Eye Spies Learn Remote Viewing from the Masters. 211 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:45.720 And I just finished this book, which was very, very well put 212 00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:52.400 together. And one of the beauties of the of the design and the content 213 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:56.920 of the book is that russ presents some of the top people that worked with 214 00:24:57.119 --> 00:25:03.599 this organization star Gate eight in Palo Alto, California. And I'm really really 215 00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:08.440 honored to have him with us today. And that's rust start. Let me 216 00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:12.799 tell you a little bit about him. He is a physicist. He was 217 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:18.400 a pioneer in developing the laser and laser applications. He has two awards from 218 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:26.200 NASA Inventions and Contributions and lasers. He is the co founder of the CIA 219 00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:36.279 sponsored SRI, which stands for Stanford Research Institute Investigation into Psychic Awares, which 220 00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:41.480 was basically remote viewing. And he actually and I didn't know this, and 221 00:25:42.039 --> 00:25:47.839 he published a lot of his work in Nature, which is a fascinating scientific 222 00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:53.200 research paper. He's co authored eight books dealing with scientific investigations and psychic abilities, 223 00:25:53.799 --> 00:26:00.480 including a book called Limitless Mind and his autobiography called do You See What 224 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:07.200 I See? Which is fantastic. So hey, Russ Russell Tark, great 225 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:10.680 to have you on earth. Ancients, happy to be with you. I 226 00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:12.400 call. I published a book called do you See what I See? Because 227 00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:18.119 my vision is very poor and in general people don't see what I see. 228 00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:26.200 But my publisher was interested that by vision guests to be legally blind. So 229 00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:32.319 when the old days, you guests had a income tax deduction on the kind 230 00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:40.319 of blindness. But Reagan got rid of that to prevent all the blind income 231 00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:47.319 tax cheaters from getting a deduction on how to blindness. So that was the 232 00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:52.400 end of that. But I read, well, yeah, I can't see 233 00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:56.279 into the distance very well. Yeah, you're right about your your eyesight and 234 00:26:56.359 --> 00:26:59.400 your book. As a young person, since you were a kid, you've 235 00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:04.920 had a vision issues. I'm fascinated by this work that you did, Russ. 236 00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:15.839 You present early in the book a number of noted people who apparently understood 237 00:27:15.319 --> 00:27:22.880 clairvoyance and second ability, and you present people like Blavatsky, Helene Blavatsky, 238 00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:30.960 and I'm sure you're aware of Edgar Casey, But did you have an interest 239 00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:38.000 in clairvoyance before you started this organization. I was a part of the Theosophical 240 00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:48.160 organization in New York, so I knew all about Helena Blavatsky and her team. 241 00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:55.440 And what interested me is the scientists, is that in the eighteen nineties 242 00:27:55.480 --> 00:28:03.200 Blavatsky asked one of her any bessents. So but I did. I did 243 00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:12.519 pull out an absent who is a prodigious psychic. And Levatsky said, I'd 244 00:28:12.519 --> 00:28:18.119 like you to look at a block a paraffin and see if you can see 245 00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:22.319 what they what adams are available for you to see. And she gave a 246 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:27.759 very good description of what is now known as a quirk. He said, 247 00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:34.559 they are triang they're triangular things. They're pairents of triangular things, but make 248 00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:41.599 up what we call a proton, and the triangular things they are held together 249 00:28:41.799 --> 00:28:48.119 by bands of energy, which is what we call today gluons. And she 250 00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:56.519 drew those triangle things held together, and it now greatly resembles would be called 251 00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:00.720 quirks and gluons. So my book, my book, I show what she 252 00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:07.440 drew in eighteen ninety five and compare that with the contemporary drawing of what a 253 00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:14.359 profoun looks like. And she drew all that about fifty years before that was 254 00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:21.960 known. So the question I have is that there is you have an understanding 255 00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:33.240 obviously that each of us possess this psychic ability to look at unseen items, 256 00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:44.279 people places without being there, but also the ability with training to look in 257 00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:47.480 the past and look into the future. Talk a little bit about that, 258 00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:52.960 well, remote viewing is what we would do. I've been teaching people remote 259 00:29:52.039 --> 00:30:00.119 viewing now for fifty years and basically the government was interested in it because that, 260 00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:04.000 sir, we were able to help people look into the distance and look 261 00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:08.920 into the future. So when we were working for the CIA, we were 262 00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:18.240 able to describe Soviet set I instead of blocking has some pictures behind me of 263 00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:26.759 ah, there we go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have those 264 00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:30.039 in the book and I'll definitely post them for the listeners to check out. 265 00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:33.720 All right, So I don't need to play with that now, Yeah, 266 00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:40.240 I don't have to worry about it. The picture right behind me with not 267 00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:47.079 for the CIA. This is where they remote viewing. Where we were doing 268 00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:52.920 a series of tests where by partner helped put off went on vacation after a 269 00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:59.119 long period of working. We went to South America, was given a vacation 270 00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:07.319 holiday there and each day the great psychic path Price was supposed to describe where 271 00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:11.720 he is and what are he doing. So we're going to do five of 272 00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:17.920 those. In the first one he Price described a market and then they described 273 00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:23.680 a volcano, that they described a church, that they described something else, 274 00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:30.559 and the next day didn't show up. So I'm in my little electrically shielded 275 00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:34.920 room with Pat Price. So they's talking to the tape recorder. There's a 276 00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:40.359 remote viuit with rust target Pat Price. There's a fifth of the series, 277 00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:44.759 but it doesn't But it looks like Price is not going to show up. 278 00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:52.480 What had happened? His Price had done such a good job at describing the 279 00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:57.880 crane which I show right next to the airport behind me. Yeah, and 280 00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:05.680 that was a saw the weapons factory in Siberia, and the CIA decided that 281 00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:10.200 Price was too valuable to be hanging out with the hippies in California, so 282 00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:16.039 they made him a demand offer to come to Washington to work with them, 283 00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:22.799 and he was ready to leave. And on day five of our trial for 284 00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:28.359 long distance into South America, Price was packing up ready to go to Washington 285 00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:36.279 and left me in my shielded room by myself. So I said, well, 286 00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:39.559 it's the longest, it's an important experiment. We don't want to I'll 287 00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:44.720 try and do it myself. So I closed my eyes and I said, 288 00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:50.279 I see what it looks like an airport. There's a grass and sand on 289 00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:53.640 the right, and the airport building on the left, and the ocean at 290 00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:57.920 the end of the runaway. And that's what I drew. I was just 291 00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:04.839 sitting by myself and shoulder room. And you might be able to see on 292 00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:09.359 your screen depending what you've got a picture of an airport on an island, 293 00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:17.920 right about that. So, Russ, talk a little bit about your research. 294 00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:22.519 You wouldn't say, so I made this drawing. Yeah, and the 295 00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:29.200 drawing that I made with a good a match to a distant target as anything 296 00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:31.880 we had had in the series. Yeah. The reason that I'm showing this 297 00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:37.200 is not to puff up my psychic abilities, but on the contrary, to 298 00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:43.640 show that remote viewing it is so easy that even a scientists can do us. 299 00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:46.440 Yeah. This is something that's very important for our listeners to understand, 300 00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:55.200 is that remote viewing isn't the a technique that only special people can use. 301 00:33:55.720 --> 00:34:02.920 With proper training, everybody can can become psychic and use remote viewing as a 302 00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:07.799 tool. Is that what you're suggesting, and they can look into the distance 303 00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:13.159 and look and look into the future. I'm very interested right now in how 304 00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:17.000 you can trade yourself to look into the future. Because one of the things 305 00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:23.440 they did shortly after leaving the program I did. I wanted to do something 306 00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:29.760 that we had been in the New York Times and we published in Nature and 307 00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:35.960 proceeding the Electrical Engineering Society, and I had the idea that if we could 308 00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:42.039 forecast the stock market, that would get us back into the newspapers, which 309 00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:47.519 you did. Yeah. So I set up a program. We're going to 310 00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:55.960 do nine trials. So each Friday, notice psychic. Keith Harare and I 311 00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:01.400 would sit at my coffee table at my house in Palo and I would ask 312 00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:07.960 Harari, tell me what you're experiencing. I'm gonna put something in your hand. 313 00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:14.199 Here we are on Monday, on Friday, when the market closes, 314 00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:19.239 I'm gonna put something in your hand. I don't know what it might be. 315 00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:22.239 I don't know anything about this target pool, but I will put something 316 00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:27.920 in your hand, and I want you to tell me now what's you're experiencing. 317 00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:30.440 Don't tell me what it is, Just tell me what you're experiencing. 318 00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:37.239 What do you feel? For example, he might say, well, I 319 00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:42.760 see something round, is kind of floppy and as an odd smell, I 320 00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:46.199 don't really like. This object is round and floppy with the bad smells. 321 00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:50.880 What I get? I said, Well, that's as terrific description, Keith, 322 00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:55.760 because I know that there are very few things that got match that this 323 00:35:55.920 --> 00:36:02.400 world, so so that that they description of a weird object. So I 324 00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:07.800 says, Tripan, I'll see you Friday, and I'll give you this object. 325 00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:12.159 Remember what I'm got up put in your hand. So then call the 326 00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:17.440 broker and Marin fifty miles north of here and I and I asked him, 327 00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:22.559 okay, you've got your four objects with mean up, a little up, 328 00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:27.239 a lot, down, a little down a lot. Can you the object 329 00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:30.519 I have? Or tell me what you've got? He says, well, 330 00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:36.719 I got a lab here, and I've got a cup of coffee, and 331 00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:39.840 I got a flower pot, and I got my leftover pancake from breakfast. 332 00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:47.000 It sounds to me like Keith's describing your leftover pancake. What does that made? 333 00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:52.320 He said, Well, that's the down a lat object. And he 334 00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:55.400 gave a very good description of the down a lat object. So I think 335 00:36:55.480 --> 00:37:04.800 we should sell silver. So because Ferrari saw a smelly pancake on Monday, 336 00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:09.760 we're gonna put thirty five thousand dollars in the market short selling silver, even 337 00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:16.599 though the brothers are buying buying silver. So by Friday the market had gone 338 00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:22.199 down and we made quite a lot of money on that one trade. What 339 00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:29.840 year was it, That was nineteen eighty two. We did nine trials on 340 00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:36.840 nine were correct by Harari. The broker didn't like two of them because he 341 00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:44.559 was Harari was viciously selling silver into a rising market. He said, you 342 00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:47.880 know, we have an investor here who's given us a lot of money, 343 00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:53.360 and I'm his broker, and he's gonna think I've gone crazy if I continue 344 00:37:53.480 --> 00:38:00.159 selling lots of silver into into a rising market. So he passed on two 345 00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:07.679 times, two out of the eight, two out of nine. So he 346 00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:13.840 traded not He traded seven of them, and we made a quarter million dollars 347 00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:21.280 wow, trading into the silver market. H We had all Harari had all 348 00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:27.280 of them correct. We did not trade too because broker didn't want to be 349 00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:32.639 caught embarrassed selling silver to a rising Marcus. So he passed on two of 350 00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:38.320 them. But as far as the statistics go, we were nine out of 351 00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:43.280 nine. Wow, that's pretty amazing. But one of them it's like one 352 00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:49.519 in one hundred thousand. And we made in cash money quarter million dollars to 353 00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:58.280 share with our organizations. Is called delphia sosis. Share that with the broker 354 00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:02.840 who gave us the money. So everybody chipped in or did someone donate the 355 00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:12.639 money? Uh? Win, an investor who gave us quite a bit of 356 00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:15.199 money, and I'm not sure how much she gave it because he gave it 357 00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:22.360 to the broker. But the deal was we could keep whatever we could won 358 00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:29.360 and we and he would observe the losses. Okay, so what happened. 359 00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:34.880 We made a quarter million dollars, of which jelf I got to keep one 360 00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:39.840 hundred and fifty thousand. Gotcha. Let's talk about the beginning that made it 361 00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:44.360 to the front page of the Wall Street Journal. Yeah, you mentioned that. 362 00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:50.920 Let's talk a little bit about the forming of the organization at SRIRU. 363 00:39:51.320 --> 00:40:00.280 When did you meet Ingo swan Well. Ingo was a well known psychic and 364 00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:06.400 visionary artists in New York. He had how Partov had written to a couple 365 00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:10.639 of people in New York about wishing to set up a society, a research 366 00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:17.360 group in California, and Ingo had heard about that, and how invited Ingo 367 00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:22.840 to come and do some experiments with him. So when I came on the 368 00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:39.559 scene in June of nineteen seventy two, nineteen seventy two is when I came 369 00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:45.320 out of the scene, Hal and Ingo were already there. There's no program 370 00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:52.239 going on. Howl was hired a laser physicist. He was doing esp e 371 00:40:52.280 --> 00:41:00.800 clemence with Ingo and were able to convince Ingo to try and fat a super 372 00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:08.239 conducting system in liquid helium at Stanford University. They not only was able to 373 00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:14.400 describe what was there, he was able to stop something that was oscillating the 374 00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:21.000 part of a massive experiment, And everybody was extremely upset about that because this 375 00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:28.840 thing was famous, because it was imperturbable. Was sitting with little super conducting 376 00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:39.239 sphere hanging out in a vial of liquid liquid helium, and it has its 377 00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:46.199 own natural period of oscillation, driven presumably by the noise in the room. 378 00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:51.960 And Ingo was able to stop that, so that everyone was very shocked and 379 00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:58.719 not amused, Wow, so you, you and Ingo Swan must have published 380 00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:07.199 your psychic research and this is what got the ear of the CIA. I 381 00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:12.840 guess, huh. Now Ingo didn't. Ingo wasn't interested in publishing things. 382 00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:23.159 In the beginning. I went around looking for money and in a great coincidence, 383 00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:29.440 So I'll try and shorten down to you. I was I was invited 384 00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:35.559 to give a talk on Soviet and American research, and I was standing in 385 00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:39.079 for Mike Murphy, who was sick, so I was giving a talk for 386 00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:46.039 somebody who wasn't there. And one of the people who did come was named 387 00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:53.079 Art Race, who was the administrator for New Projects at NASA, and he 388 00:42:53.199 --> 00:43:02.039 was having a conference on speculative technology, the same as as since Simon's Island 389 00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:07.079 off the coast of Georgia, and he asked me if I would like to 390 00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:13.599 come and give the same talk as a physicist to a group of people at 391 00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:19.519 a conference on speculative technology. And I said, I'll come if you send 392 00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:23.920 me a ticket, because I'm already thinking you But had I had built a 393 00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:32.400 very powerful laser. I built a thousand and what laser today was powerful laser 394 00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:37.960 in the world at that time nineteen seventy two, and I thought this would 395 00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:44.239 be a good time to bail out of lasers and start something with ESP interesting. 396 00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:47.599 So I was happy to go to the conference, and I brought with 397 00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:58.039 me a ESP game ISP teaching machine to offer feedback and reinforcement as people try 398 00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:02.880 to guess Wisher for I would become illuminated, and I brought that with me 399 00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:08.800 and at the conference, among the people I met, there's Werner Ron Brown, 400 00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:14.239 who was very interested in this ESP game. We realized if you could 401 00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:20.639 help astronauts get psychic, you might have avoid an accident such as they almost 402 00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:28.679 had with Apollo thirteen the year previous. Didn't crash, It almost crashed, 403 00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:35.039 but Von Brown was standing there for a day to watch the guys put it 404 00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:40.559 back together with Scotch take literally and they were able to save the spacecraft. 405 00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:50.000 Excellent excellent movie made about Polo thirteen and what the guys had to do to 406 00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:54.400 avoid crashing. Brown was very sensitive to the ethan. When I used to 407 00:44:54.400 --> 00:45:01.440 be psychic STLF with my grandmother, who was very so if we could teach 408 00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:06.519 these guys to be psychic, I would support that. I said, well, 409 00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:12.360 I want to do a program with this ESP teaching machine that Brown Brown 410 00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:17.400 did very very successfully, ringing the bell again and again. So he took 411 00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:24.519 me to the administrator of NASA, top guy Jim Flesher, and said, 412 00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:29.760 russ has built laters for us in the past, and now he wants to 413 00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:36.320 use his esp tching machine to help astronauts become psychic, and I think we 414 00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:39.840 should do that. All he wants is eighty thousand dollars. Eighty thousand. 415 00:45:40.360 --> 00:45:45.440 Yeah, that was peanuts in the NASA's business, but that's a lot of 416 00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:52.880 money in seventy two, yeah, thevery nineteen seventies. Who Okay, there 417 00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:57.719 was a moderate amount of money to start a program, a tiny amount of 418 00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:05.000 money for NASA. So Fletcher said, okay, if Russell can find a 419 00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:08.519 place to do that work, we can give him the money. And it 420 00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:15.920 just happened that as we were talking, edgar Mitchell walked by. Well, 421 00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:19.360 the astronaut. The astronaut. Yeah, he said, well, I'm just 422 00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:24.039 starting a program with SRI and I think that I could arrange a meeting with 423 00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:30.280 Charlie Anderson, the president, if you would come by and support the idea 424 00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:34.000 that you're going to help him do a program. I think we could do 425 00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:38.159 it. So a week later we had a meeting with hell put Offers already 426 00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:45.679 there, Shirlie Anderson and the president of SRI, and Edgar Mitchell and Charlie 427 00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:52.559 what we call the trade piling on. So we all got together with Shirlie 428 00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:54.559 Anderson, the President of SRI, and he did, well, if you 429 00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:59.400 keep a low profile, you can do this program. Here, we can 430 00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:04.800 start a little program. So that's the So it was the coincidence of my 431 00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:14.519 running into Edgar Mitchell and Worder von Brown that allowed us to do this program. 432 00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:19.599 So what was NASA's criteria. If they're going to give you the money, 433 00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:22.800 they must have wanted something back. Well, they wanted me to do 434 00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:30.480 a program where I showed significant learning among people with one hundred and fifty people. 435 00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:38.400 And this ESP game which you can now download that from. Oh I 436 00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:44.280 saw it in the book. It's an Apple It's an Apple application. Yeah, 437 00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:49.719 I saw it in the book. Download ESP Trainer and the fourth choice 438 00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:57.239 game Random, the game if you can do much better than random for many 439 00:47:57.239 --> 00:48:01.519 many trials. Then the shows that you made some kind of repport with the 440 00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:07.840 ESP game and those that were claiming that you can learn to learn to look 441 00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:13.400 in the future with feedback and reinforcements. Interesting. Now, in the book 442 00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:16.320 I published that It's a real real It's the real thing. Yeah, you 443 00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:21.880 have it. Now. In the book you outline a number of exceptional remote 444 00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:27.199 viewers, and one of the top ones is Pat Price, who was a 445 00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:34.599 former police commissioner from Burbank. How did he How did he show up at 446 00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:39.960 at SRI? How did you connect with him? I don't know the answer 447 00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:46.719 to that. We started out with Ingo Swan, who found Hell through a 448 00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:52.639 letter that Hal had written to another psychic in New York whose name I can't 449 00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:58.599 remember, but but I the guy who was psychically interacting with plants. You 450 00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:06.199 might even know that, oh right, well known ESP researcher who is using 451 00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:10.480 its psychic ability to interact with plants. So Ingo to this guy, and 452 00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:16.920 so does Hell. And that's how Ingo got to touch with Hell. Now, 453 00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:23.000 so we were doing this long distance remote viewing stuff with Ingo, and 454 00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:32.639 somehow path Price learned what we were doing. Now, deep down in the 455 00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:39.800 records of this program, you'll find out that Hell was a high level scientologist, 456 00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:46.360 and so is so is Ingo, and so is path Price. So 457 00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:53.159 no one, no one ever explained this all to me. But I have 458 00:49:53.320 --> 00:50:00.159 to assume that seeing the Scientology organization, people learned to do remote you. 459 00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:06.880 We didn't invent remote youing. Yeah, and the picture on the wall behind 460 00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:10.800 me. They boot his name Podma Zimbaba, who brought Bood to them to 461 00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:17.719 Tibet, and he wrote a book called Self Liberation through Seeing with Naked Awareness, 462 00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:22.239 and he said, all of us have timeless awareness, that timeless awareness 463 00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:28.079 in our nature. If you quiet your mind, you can discover that your 464 00:50:28.119 --> 00:50:32.239 awareness moves into space, moves into the future. And you can do all 465 00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:38.079 that if you if you don't guess and don't name things. So in the 466 00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:46.039 year eight hundred, Podma Zimbaba knew all about remote viewing and wrote and wrote 467 00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:52.280 a book. I tipped over my lamp. We're in the dark anyway. 468 00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:59.679 So here's his book. This has written eight hundred years ago. Self liberation, 469 00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:07.880 Self liberation through seating with Naked Awareness. Okay, fascinating. So this 470 00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:15.000 is not this is not new age, right, So talk a little bit 471 00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:20.920 about how My reasons to bring that up is that l Ron Hubbard, who 472 00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:30.239 ran Scientology, will also will also a student of psychic abilities, which were 473 00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:38.400 spelled out in detail by Paba Simbaba and in the Buddhist lore, what was 474 00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:45.159 the taught and the project of parameter, which is the writing of the Buddha. 475 00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:49.760 One of the things that the repeat again and again is there is no 476 00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:55.280 separation for in consciousness. M So, so this is not new age, 477 00:51:55.840 --> 00:52:00.599 right, So the question of us as your question, Yeah, I believe 478 00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:08.960 that Pat Price learned from somebody in the Scientology organization like Ingo or some other 479 00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:16.000 person that we were doing this work. Because it was already a secret program, 480 00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:21.400 so this wasn't on the streets, it wasn't published anywhere. So Ingo 481 00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:27.000 said, I heard you're doing these experiments and disinviewing. I've been doing that 482 00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:30.239 all my life as a police commissioner. I would sit at my desk and 483 00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:36.280 see where they frightened person was in burd Bank and we was sending a squad 484 00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:39.320 car out to get him. So Pat Price was using it in his work. 485 00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:45.000 Yes, you used it in his work all of his life. Okay, 486 00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:52.519 we're gonna take a short commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, 487 00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:59.840 and we will return shortly with Russell targ discussing his new book Third Ice 488 00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:22.639 Spies. You're right back, you way me a way me down, John 489 00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:37.599 can measures up to you medicine and I yours. I guess today is Russell 490 00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:45.880 targ co founder of the SRI program known as Stargate, which eventually became the 491 00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:50.719 Remote Viewing program for the CIA, and we are talking about his new book 492 00:53:50.840 --> 00:54:00.360 Third Eye Spies Learn Remote Viewing from the Masters. Talk about the Patricia First 493 00:54:00.519 --> 00:54:07.679 case and how the Berkeley Police came about to contact you. Well, let's 494 00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:19.119 see, Petrosia Hurts were kidnapped in the same year that we started, in 495 00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:28.199 nineteen seventy two, seventy four, seventy four, so we had been Yeah, 496 00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:30.639 I was trying to think that out because seventy two we would not have 497 00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:37.320 had publicity. By seventy four we had already published our paper in Nature. 498 00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:44.639 And you might know your listeners might know they're publishing anything in Nature very difficult 499 00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:51.039 does a very hard prestigious science magazine in the world, Very hard to get 500 00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:53.239 anything in Nature. Let me stop you for a minute, rest what was 501 00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:58.480 the If you can remember, what was the title of the paper in Nature? 502 00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:04.519 Was it regarding ESP or did you actually use the term remote viewing? 503 00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:14.039 We didn't use either those I'm sure I could. You can find that out. 504 00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:16.360 I'll look it up. Look, look it up. I'm sure it 505 00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:22.559 was something about remote sensing. Remote sensing, okay, is my guests. 506 00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:36.679 So the district attorney and Berkeley knew about that somehow was no longer by seventy 507 00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:42.199 four, was no longer a secret. Okay, it was probably still classified 508 00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:47.000 because by that time we were working to the CIA. So it's a little 509 00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:54.000 little mystery how he knew well enough to call us to call he called the 510 00:55:54.039 --> 00:56:01.840 department head at SRI. So it's not obvious how he knew that. But 511 00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:07.679 it wasn't the secret, okay. So he said, Patricia Hurst has been 512 00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:13.360 kidnapped. Do you think you guys can help find us? Oh? I 513 00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:17.599 know what it. By seventy four we had published our paper, so he 514 00:56:17.880 --> 00:56:22.199 so he knew for a fact. He lived in Berkeley, and probably some 515 00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:29.519 hippie and Berkeley knew about knew about his published paper. So he said, 516 00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:35.079 can you help us? So Hal put off and Pat Price and I piled 517 00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:40.599 in a health car and went to the police station in Berkeley. Police and 518 00:56:40.639 --> 00:56:47.119 we walked in and police chief said, always I quession, if we want 519 00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:52.480 to ask you, mister Price, And Price said, why don't we just 520 00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:55.199 show you how it's done. Can you give me your mug book, which 521 00:56:55.239 --> 00:57:01.159 is the big loosey finder that every police station had of all the usual suspects. 522 00:57:02.360 --> 00:57:07.280 So he laid this big loosely finder on a big oak table and we 523 00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:15.480 all flustered around. Pat Price and the detective and Hew and Price started turning 524 00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:22.320 pages of this book picture book, page after page and finally put his finger 525 00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:25.079 on one guy and said that guy's the ring leader. And he just put 526 00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:31.840 his finger on Donald DeVries, who in fact was the ring leader. Wow, 527 00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:37.360 And no one knew that at the time. But Price said, I 528 00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:43.280 suppose you want me to tell you where the cars go on also, and 529 00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:45.079 he said that. Detective said, well, that would be very nice if 530 00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:49.199 you do that. He said, well, they've gone that way, that 531 00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:52.880 north. He said yeah, and he said, well he's across the street 532 00:57:52.960 --> 00:58:02.239 from a diner. Here's some big guest storage tanks north And the detective said, 533 00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:06.480 well, I know where that is. I live in that direction. 534 00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:14.039 And they dispatched a cruiser to drive north on Highway one oh one looking for 535 00:58:14.159 --> 00:58:20.320 a diner. Across from some storage tanks. They found a station wagon and 536 00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:24.440 there were still cartridges rolling around on the floor, so then they knew that 537 00:58:24.559 --> 00:58:31.519 Price had not only fingered the kidnapper, but directed the police to the car, 538 00:58:32.480 --> 00:58:40.559 and we got a citation from the police department for our contribution. Now, 539 00:58:40.760 --> 00:58:49.960 we did not help find Patricia Hurst because the Berkeley Police Department and the 540 00:58:50.039 --> 00:59:00.840 FBI and the other police organization who should have been helping us, the FBI, 541 00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:08.760 Berkeley Police and anyway, nobody was helping us. Everybody wanted to be 542 00:59:08.880 --> 00:59:15.480 secret, right words, the word wouldn't get out, so that so they 543 00:59:15.519 --> 00:59:21.920 would. Hurst escaped to New York and was living on a farm for a 544 00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:28.679 year before she foolishly came back to Berkeley, where she was immediately fingered. 545 00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:36.719 So then she went to she was convicted and went to jail. Did the 546 00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:43.320 Patricia Hurst case help you get more funding or did it do anything for the 547 00:59:43.480 --> 00:59:50.000 organization? That probably helped us get funding, but we already had pretty good 548 00:59:50.000 --> 00:59:57.800 funding from CIA and the Air Force and the d i A Defense Intelligence agents, 549 00:59:58.039 --> 01:00:00.079 So you were getting money from the government at the Oh yeah, oh, 550 01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:05.400 I didn't know that. Okay, I want you to talk a little 551 01:00:05.440 --> 01:00:14.840 bit, Russ about another very psychic remote viewer, Hella hammered Uh, who 552 01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:21.360 was asked by the CIA to find a submarine. I want to talk about 553 01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:34.639 that a little confusing now. It was our first strong army guy who found 554 01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:42.639 the submarine, whom I know very well. I can't remember his name right 555 01:00:42.679 --> 01:00:46.519 now, sorry to say. Okay. A friend for the army, Joe, 556 01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:57.440 Joe mcmonagle, was asked what was going on as this big building in 557 01:00:57.519 --> 01:01:02.280 Virginia, and he said, well, it looks like they're building a submarine. 558 01:01:02.840 --> 01:01:07.960 It's very interesting. The submarine is bigger than anything I've ever seen, 559 01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:13.480 as the army officer. It looks like as two submarines wielded together side by 560 01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:20.639 side. So this is a huge thing floating in the water, and nobody 561 01:01:20.679 --> 01:01:25.599 in the US government knew anything about it. But a week later they Russia's 562 01:01:25.800 --> 01:01:32.239 launched this double hauled submarine, which indeed was twice as big as anything else 563 01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:38.840 that anybody ever saw, and Joe was able to identify that without any help 564 01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:45.480 at all. They just said here the coordinates of the big barn like building 565 01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:52.840 in West Virginia. Now within Virginia with all the coasts, I think that 566 01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:59.840 the Navy base on the coast in Virginia, and he just given the cord 567 01:02:00.119 --> 01:02:08.679 this that's not the right story. He was given the accordinates of a Russian 568 01:02:08.760 --> 01:02:15.960 base in northern Russia. He was saying he was stationed in the navy base 569 01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:22.559 in America. The Russian submarine was not found in America, was found in 570 01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:29.239 Soviet Russia in the north. But that's where Joe. So that they had 571 01:02:29.320 --> 01:02:37.760 directed Joe to a big storage building in northern Russia a quarter mile from the 572 01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:47.159 ocean. But they had secretly dear dug a trench from the big building to 573 01:02:47.199 --> 01:02:53.280 the water and they were able to drag the submarine out into the Northern Pacific. 574 01:02:55.760 --> 01:03:04.000 Fascinating talk a little bit about how Lot and her her ability. One 575 01:03:04.039 --> 01:03:10.199 of the things that I'm fascinated in is using psychic awareness for archaeological digs. 576 01:03:12.719 --> 01:03:19.480 And you mentioned Evin Schwartz had done a lot of archaeology. Yeah, we 577 01:03:19.639 --> 01:03:22.840 got Hella. Hella has been a long time friend of me and my family. 578 01:03:23.360 --> 01:03:29.599 To the photographer, we have lots of children's pictures. The Hella talk 579 01:03:30.400 --> 01:03:39.000 and Kick Green, who is a senior scientists and physician with with the with 580 01:03:39.119 --> 01:03:45.199 the CIA, and he said, you know Pat Price and Ingo Swan or 581 01:03:45.239 --> 01:03:50.039 lifetime second psychics. But if we do this with the CIA, we want 582 01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:53.360 to know whether the ordinary person is going to do. You know somebody who 583 01:03:53.400 --> 01:04:00.280 has never been involved in psychic things who would work with us? And I 584 01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:03.280 said, well, I'm a friend, hell I haven't who's a woman for 585 01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:10.679 all seasons, travel all of the world, highly intelligent. It's always up 586 01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:14.719 for a new adventure. I'll ask her if she would do remote view with 587 01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:18.320 it, said Sri Okay. Hella thought that that would be very amusing. 588 01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:23.480 She loved the idea of being paid by the CIA to be a psychic, 589 01:04:23.599 --> 01:04:28.679 which she had never done anything like that. But I told her our experience 590 01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:33.920 is that remote doing is the natural ability. Anybody can do it. Come 591 01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:41.559 up to Palo Alto, can hang out with me and my wife and Pat 592 01:04:42.039 --> 01:04:45.840 and Pat Price the other psychics, and we're sure how to do it. 593 01:04:46.639 --> 01:04:50.000 So she said, okay, I'll come and stay with you for a week 594 01:04:50.119 --> 01:04:57.960 or two. And we my routine at that time that we just take the 595 01:04:58.039 --> 01:05:03.239 psychic into a quiet room in the top of the radio physics building. And 596 01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:10.840 my story is Pal has been sent someplace in the Bay Area. I have 597 01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:15.199 no idea where he is. I don't know what the target pool is, 598 01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:20.039 but he's within a half a mile drive of here, someplace and Palo out 599 01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:27.199 of a good is a good place to hide because there's swimming pools and bowling 600 01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:32.239 alleys and boat docks, all kinds that were near the water, the bridges, 601 01:05:33.559 --> 01:05:38.440 all kinds of crazy places where you can hide. So it's a very 602 01:05:38.440 --> 01:05:45.360 good place to do remote view experiments. So we so we sat down in 603 01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:55.280 my little road viewing room and hello, la Hella had made special socks with 604 01:05:55.440 --> 01:06:01.800 eyeballs crocheted out of the socks, and said, Okay, how has gone 605 01:06:01.840 --> 01:06:08.800 to some interesting place within a half hour drive out here? I have no 606 01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:14.480 idea where it could be. He quiet your mind and just tell me what's 607 01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:20.920 surprising? Elements, what's surprising events or objects show up in your awareness? 608 01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:29.400 So how has gone to some interesting place? Could be any outdoor life in 609 01:06:29.480 --> 01:06:36.760 the Bay area. And she said, well, I see traffic flowing and 610 01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:43.280 I said that's good. Why don't you take a break? You see anything 611 01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:49.119 interesting? And she said, well, there's like squares within squares within squares 612 01:06:49.880 --> 01:06:56.400 like a trough, and I think, could you draw that? And she 613 01:06:56.519 --> 01:07:00.679 did it, drew it. She made a drawing of that. She's now 614 01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:06.199 a famous remote viewing picture of squares within squares, within squares, they greatly 615 01:07:06.280 --> 01:07:15.840 resemble the pedestrian overpass, which is a why why are fence made? Him 616 01:07:17.480 --> 01:07:25.039 made have squares and squares and squares like fifty feet over the Bay Shore Freeway. 617 01:07:25.480 --> 01:07:32.000 And she she drew that excellently. We have photographs, We have photographs 618 01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:39.480 of the pedestrian overpass where you would enter it and you enter as ahead of 619 01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:47.360 heavy screen screening over it, so nobody would climb out or fall into the 620 01:07:47.480 --> 01:07:55.400 highway with a hurricane fence what do they call it? Cyclone fence cyclone there 621 01:07:55.400 --> 01:07:59.079 you go, cyclone fence yea all the way around. And she drew that 622 01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:04.239 that was like a perfect matter where he was hiding. And we did nine 623 01:08:04.320 --> 01:08:10.800 trials with her as we did for with Pat Price, and hell of the 624 01:08:10.920 --> 01:08:17.960 overall match for her nine to Hargus were more significant than even Price had done. 625 01:08:18.399 --> 01:08:26.439 So she was very sensitive. Yes, she's very sensitive, very intelligent 626 01:08:27.399 --> 01:08:33.359 and artistics. She's a professional photographer. And the drawings that Price made, 627 01:08:34.319 --> 01:08:46.880 they were compared his drawings were compared with the actual target while the perceptual psychologists 628 01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:55.720 and they had first place match seven out of the nine, which is to 629 01:08:55.840 --> 01:09:01.159 say, if Price had been kidnapped nine times in a row. We would 630 01:09:01.159 --> 01:09:05.520 have found them the first place we looked, first play, we'd have found 631 01:09:05.560 --> 01:09:11.000 them the first seven places we looked. Wow, that's amazing. Can you 632 01:09:11.079 --> 01:09:15.880 talk a little bit about the reference that you present in the book where Hella 633 01:09:15.319 --> 01:09:23.239 was asked to look, I guess it's Alexandria, Egypt. And she located 634 01:09:23.319 --> 01:09:27.720 a column and a cistern, and this was I guess she was doing this 635 01:09:27.800 --> 01:09:34.600 for not necessarily Schwartz, but he was working with Stephen Schwartz. Okay, 636 01:09:34.640 --> 01:09:41.319 he's an archaeologist. He's an archaeologist also very interested in psychic abilities. Right, 637 01:09:42.840 --> 01:09:46.600 so did she. So she found she found some some ruins or something. 638 01:09:47.199 --> 01:09:56.199 She found some ruins in Alexandria, and she found the cistern underground with 639 01:09:56.319 --> 01:10:00.399 water still flowing, and the whole thing had been shut down. They had 640 01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:05.680 to break into it. Let her end and her drawing of the cistern and 641 01:10:05.720 --> 01:10:18.600 the I'm trying to do justice. She drew an underground kirby cistern with ricks 642 01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:24.560 lining the whole thing and water flowing the bottom. And she drew that whole 643 01:10:24.600 --> 01:10:31.000 thing and they had a break in the wall together get to where she wanted 644 01:10:31.039 --> 01:10:42.600 to be and her drawing remarkably accurately resemble the Cistern wow Us book called Psychic 645 01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:46.239 Archaeology. Yeah, he's our guest in a couple of weeks, and so 646 01:10:46.399 --> 01:10:53.560 I looking forward to having him. Schwartz. You and Schwartz work together, 647 01:10:53.720 --> 01:10:59.159 did Schwartz? We're good friends, but we have not worked together. So 648 01:10:59.279 --> 01:11:04.119 he didn't do any training. Then what Schwartz did is Schwartz invented the idea 649 01:11:04.640 --> 01:11:14.479 of associated remote viewing. Schwartz of the idea that to forecast changes in the 650 01:11:14.680 --> 01:11:18.760 stock market, you can't get the guy to read numbers on the big board, 651 01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:25.640 and the sock exchange plikis are not able to read. But he said 652 01:11:25.760 --> 01:11:32.159 you could make an association like using some of four flags, and then they 653 01:11:32.319 --> 01:11:38.079 use the navy. He said, you have some four four flags, you 654 01:11:38.199 --> 01:11:42.319 put one flag up, turn leapt, two flags up mean turn right, 655 01:11:43.039 --> 01:11:49.039 so forth. You can't shout left or right a mile away between cruisers, 656 01:11:49.159 --> 01:11:54.000 but you can hold up one flag or two flag or three flags. He 657 01:11:54.039 --> 01:11:58.960 said you could do that with remote viewing. You just if you have four 658 01:11:59.039 --> 01:12:03.760 targets, like for silver up a lot down, a lat up, a 659 01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:13.239 little down, a little you're gonna have four flags like that. And in 660 01:12:13.239 --> 01:12:18.079 my case, the broker had the shoes four objects, which should be whatever 661 01:12:18.079 --> 01:12:21.399 he had in his office, could be like a cup of coffee, a 662 01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:27.800 flower pot, his left over breakfast, the light bulb. He shoes whatever 663 01:12:27.840 --> 01:12:34.359 he wants to choose, and he makes the assignments. The light bulb means 664 01:12:34.920 --> 01:12:41.079 up a little, the flower pop means down a little. And this in 665 01:12:41.199 --> 01:12:47.520 might the case they're making up. He said, the leftover pancake met down 666 01:12:47.560 --> 01:12:53.079 a lot, and Hurrah said, I see a leftover pancake. Right. 667 01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:58.119 You mentioned that the book we're talking about Today's Third Eye Spies. My guest 668 01:12:58.279 --> 01:13:05.720 is Russell targ Russell. You talk about Price being worried about his life. 669 01:13:05.760 --> 01:13:11.279 He was threatned, he felt like he was in danger. He died mysteriously, 670 01:13:11.319 --> 01:13:15.159 didn't he? I would say, so, where was he when did? 671 01:13:15.560 --> 01:13:20.399 I thought he was an old man, But actually he was in the 672 01:13:20.560 --> 01:13:25.960 sixties. He might have been sixty seven when he died. Okay, no, 673 01:13:26.359 --> 01:13:32.119 I'm almost nineties, so he wasn't so old after all. The Russian 674 01:13:32.199 --> 01:13:36.319 I mean, he was working for the CIA almost exclusively. Right, that's 675 01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:43.880 right, So that can be a problem. Well, the problem was that 676 01:13:43.960 --> 01:13:49.319 he was a scientologist, and he moved. They moved him to Virginia at 677 01:13:49.319 --> 01:13:56.000 a farmhouse and it was like a farmer. Price in his overalls and he 678 01:13:56.119 --> 01:14:02.680 was working on plus y targets with ken Kress, who the we had two 679 01:14:02.680 --> 01:14:08.319 contract monitors, Kick Green with a physician, ken Krest with a physicist. 680 01:14:11.279 --> 01:14:19.800 Chris was working with ken Kress and he was doing classified targets looking overseas, 681 01:14:19.800 --> 01:14:27.840 the classified targets belonging to other countries. So the secret or top secret, 682 01:14:28.760 --> 01:14:33.239 top seeker would mean that it's operational, which I doubt, but I know 683 01:14:33.319 --> 01:14:40.359 that it was at least secret, and that was okay. But Price was 684 01:14:40.920 --> 01:14:48.239 meeting every day or communicating every day with his auditor of the Scientology Organization. 685 01:14:48.760 --> 01:14:55.720 An auditor is like in the Catholic Church. Yeah, you have somebody as 686 01:14:56.000 --> 01:15:00.439 trusting person in the church who you will confess to. So an auditor in 687 01:15:00.479 --> 01:15:08.159 the Psientology organization like a confessor. And what he was confessing to the secret 688 01:15:08.239 --> 01:15:17.800 targets that were looking after the CIA and eventually the CIA, or I think 689 01:15:17.800 --> 01:15:28.479 it was the part of the government that does income tax whore that the irs 690 01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:39.479 irs broke into the Celebrity Center and there in Hollywood and found a filing cabinet 691 01:15:39.800 --> 01:15:46.640 and it was full of documents from path Price describing his work with ken Kress, 692 01:15:46.800 --> 01:15:53.119 and that was delivered to Crest and Chris was totally shocked because he had 693 01:15:53.159 --> 01:15:59.319 been working with Price for years as though Price was a trusted member of the 694 01:16:00.159 --> 01:16:10.600 CIA blood brother and he discovered that it had been betrayed. So his problem 695 01:16:11.119 --> 01:16:18.199 is what to do because what he discovered is that superman with a double agent, 696 01:16:19.000 --> 01:16:27.119 that is Price. So Price, Price was Price died mysteriously. Yeah, 697 01:16:27.640 --> 01:16:31.159 I'm curious about one thing though, russ Where are the Soviet Where the 698 01:16:31.239 --> 01:16:38.600 Russians working with the remote viewing program before you established the SRI program? Or 699 01:16:38.680 --> 01:16:45.199 did they come around after we published this in a big journal journal the Americans. 700 01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:53.760 No, we published this in the I Tripoli Institute of Electrical Engineers journal, 701 01:16:53.880 --> 01:17:00.279 big paper, and that got translated into Russian very quickly. And I 702 01:17:00.399 --> 01:17:10.279 was in Russia in nineteen well, let's say nineteen seventy four, nineteen seventy 703 01:17:10.319 --> 01:17:13.880 five, I was a guest, and so will be the Academy of Sciences, 704 01:17:14.119 --> 01:17:17.560 and I knew even at that time that they had already translated this into 705 01:17:17.680 --> 01:17:25.840 Russia. As they were doing remote viewing. So they picked up on that 706 01:17:25.920 --> 01:17:32.039 paper in Nature and perhaps some other papers that you had. That's right written 707 01:17:32.079 --> 01:17:40.840 in because because when we made our film, we had documents from the DA 708 01:17:41.560 --> 01:17:46.520 that showed Hell put Off and rust Tart as researchers in this so he so 709 01:17:46.560 --> 01:17:50.239 they already knew who we were, what we were doing, and they do 710 01:17:50.319 --> 01:17:57.479 about Pat Price, so they could be any suspicious. I knew that I 711 01:17:57.560 --> 01:18:06.960 knew that kenn Crests were early early on Pat Price read some documents hidden in 712 01:18:08.039 --> 01:18:14.199 the vault of the Defense Intelligence Agency, and I knew that the CIA was 713 01:18:14.359 --> 01:18:19.600 very worried that if you got a guy on the loose like Pat Price who 714 01:18:19.600 --> 01:18:26.079 could read documents, then there's no way to hide anything there. Ken Press, 715 01:18:26.079 --> 01:18:32.560 who they top secret long time CIA person, would cover up his desk 716 01:18:32.680 --> 01:18:40.079 neatly put everything away. But he knew in his heart that somebody targeted Pat 717 01:18:40.159 --> 01:18:45.159 Price on his desk. They could read that, and then it learned that 718 01:18:45.399 --> 01:18:55.119 Pat Price was passing this on to the scientology made it feel that they had 719 01:18:55.199 --> 01:19:02.039 Superman working for him, but Superman with the double agents, and you had 720 01:19:02.079 --> 01:19:09.119 him working for you, but putting him in jail. Wouldn't do wouldn't solve 721 01:19:09.239 --> 01:19:14.039 the problem. Yeah, you still have him in jail, and he would 722 01:19:14.079 --> 01:19:19.640 just fly out between the bars. Right as we close, Russ, I'd 723 01:19:19.640 --> 01:19:28.960 like your opinion on the rumors that different aspects of the government, also private 724 01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:38.319 institutes are using remote viewing to look into UFOs or now they're called UAPs unidentified 725 01:19:38.479 --> 01:19:43.920 aerial phenomenon. What can you talk tell us about that? Well, I 726 01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:48.800 know a tiny bit about that. I know that ken Kress was interested in 727 01:19:49.039 --> 01:19:56.600 UFOs and they asked Pat Price to describe are there any basis in America? 728 01:19:56.760 --> 01:20:02.600 And Price described a UFO base in a mountain in Alaska, and one in 729 01:20:02.720 --> 01:20:09.199 Mexico, and one in the purities, one in Australia. And the CIA 730 01:20:09.319 --> 01:20:14.840 thought that the one that he described in Alaska and in Australia were probably a 731 01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:21.600 place where they already were aware that there was UFO activity. Okay, and 732 01:20:21.640 --> 01:20:29.079 so we were not. Our program did not have any targeting associated with UFOs. 733 01:20:29.119 --> 01:20:33.800 So the CIA didn't ask you to pin down information on UFOs or what 734 01:20:33.920 --> 01:20:42.239 planet they had come from. We did not, Yeah, what final We 735 01:20:42.239 --> 01:20:49.079 were basically a scientific organization, and consequently they would not give us a target 736 01:20:49.760 --> 01:20:56.840 which we couldn't verify at the end. I mean if they said Pat Price 737 01:20:56.920 --> 01:21:01.439 said okay, I see the the UFOs are coming and from our tourists. 738 01:21:02.119 --> 01:21:11.680 We was interesting, but nobody knows as that's correct or not right. Real 739 01:21:11.800 --> 01:21:15.399 quickly, you mentioned Stephen Schwartz. He's going to be on the program in 740 01:21:15.439 --> 01:21:19.119 a couple of weeks and he's an archaeologist. Have did you ever get any 741 01:21:19.159 --> 01:21:32.279 requests by any professional individuals or universities or institutes on lost archaeological ruins, artifacts, 742 01:21:32.359 --> 01:21:40.319 buildings, whatever. We didn't. We didn't do that. But Schwartz 743 01:21:40.359 --> 01:21:45.399 was Schwartz with the Mobius Society and he was already doing that. We were 744 01:21:45.479 --> 01:21:54.680 not doing lost buildings, We were not doing archaeological thing. We were finding 745 01:21:55.600 --> 01:22:09.479 a CIA agents who had We were finding looking for ciagents who had been kidnapped, 746 01:22:10.319 --> 01:22:13.560 and we tried to find out where they were. That was successful. 747 01:22:14.239 --> 01:22:18.279 We were asked to describe a picture and a guy in an envelope and it 748 01:22:18.359 --> 01:22:26.800 turned out that he was Ambassador Queen, the American Ambassador Iran who was kidnapped 749 01:22:26.800 --> 01:22:33.439 by the so called students and Iran and Keith Harari. They were described what 750 01:22:33.560 --> 01:22:38.079 a situation was that he was in the dark, and he was very, 751 01:22:38.159 --> 01:22:44.359 very sick, and he felt Harari felt that because of his sickness, he 752 01:22:44.479 --> 01:22:49.720 was probably going to be released, that Iranian didn't want him to die in 753 01:22:49.840 --> 01:22:56.880 captivity because the American ambassador, and in fact, two days later he was 754 01:22:57.000 --> 01:23:00.119 released, allowed to go to Germany and get treatment. Okay, So we 755 01:23:00.199 --> 01:23:09.039 had and we had Joe mcmonagor was able to find a kidnapped American journal general 756 01:23:09.560 --> 01:23:13.880 who had been kidnapped by the Red Brigade in Italy and had been taken to 757 01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:23.359 Padua in Italy and found they found him. So we had acted all things 758 01:23:23.399 --> 01:23:27.600 like that to do. Okay, amazing. Hey, as we conclude, 759 01:23:28.119 --> 01:23:33.880 you have a chapter on learning remote viewing. Would you say that's a good 760 01:23:33.920 --> 01:23:39.920 primmer for people who want to learn how to do the techniques. Yeah. 761 01:23:39.960 --> 01:23:45.439 And in this book I talk about how you can find a partner to work 762 01:23:45.520 --> 01:23:51.000 with, where your partner will bring you little objects. Yeah. I don't 763 01:23:51.039 --> 01:23:55.920 tell you how to find a find a partner. You'll find a partner by 764 01:23:55.960 --> 01:24:00.039 yourself. But if you're able to find a friend, you get that friend 765 01:24:00.119 --> 01:24:05.520 to bring you, say, three shopping bags. Each one will have an 766 01:24:05.520 --> 01:24:12.359 object at and when they come to your house. Your friend will not know 767 01:24:12.960 --> 01:24:18.520 which shopping bag has which object because you don't want to teach yourself how to 768 01:24:18.600 --> 01:24:25.760 read the mind of your friend. You if the guy says, Okay, 769 01:24:25.800 --> 01:24:29.479 here's the shopping bag, I want you to tell me, what do you 770 01:24:29.600 --> 01:24:33.960 experience when I when you reach into this. We don't want a friend to 771 01:24:34.039 --> 01:24:40.520 know the answer, because if a friend knows the answer, you can just 772 01:24:41.960 --> 01:24:45.560 experience what he's thinking about. And this is not we don't want to do. 773 01:24:45.560 --> 01:24:49.079 It's the lampathy cast. We want the person to really look into the 774 01:24:49.119 --> 01:24:57.079 bag as he was there. Right. So those of you listening the books 775 01:24:57.119 --> 01:25:03.840 called third Eye Spies learn remote viewing from the masters. And my guest today 776 01:25:03.840 --> 01:25:11.039 has been Russell targ Do you have a website, Russ on your website is 777 01:25:12.119 --> 01:25:17.640 espresearch dot com. Espresearch dot com. This book just came out in May, 778 01:25:17.680 --> 01:25:23.760 so people can get it on Amazon. Yeah, that's an inexpensive book 779 01:25:23.880 --> 01:25:28.880 available anywhere. Okay, Hey, it's been a real pleasure of Russ. 780 01:25:29.000 --> 01:25:32.760 Thank you for your time, and I really appreciate the history of a remote 781 01:25:32.840 --> 01:25:38.560 viewing. Thank you very much for the opportunity. I hope you enjoy the 782 01:25:38.560 --> 01:25:51.239 book. That was a fascinating look at the whole phenomenon of remote viewing and 783 01:25:51.800 --> 01:25:58.199 great to talk to Russell and wow, what a lot he's gone through and 784 01:25:58.600 --> 01:26:03.079 to work with the CIA must have been fascinating. It's interesting to note if 785 01:26:03.439 --> 01:26:12.520 Pat Price actually was terminated by the CIA or the Russians or whatever. I 786 01:26:12.560 --> 01:26:16.159 guess. Remember, he was one of the top one of the first remote 787 01:26:16.199 --> 01:26:24.479 viewers to work with Stargate, the Stargate program, and we'll never know. 788 01:26:24.920 --> 01:26:30.520 We'll never know if he was assassinated or if he died of natural causes. 789 01:26:30.960 --> 01:26:38.039 When you read this book Third Eye Spies, his accuracy was phenomenal and it 790 01:26:38.079 --> 01:26:42.640 really makes you think really closely if this is a natural Well, according to 791 01:26:42.720 --> 01:26:45.640 Russell, this is a natural ability that we all have. We all have 792 01:26:45.720 --> 01:26:50.600 the ability to remote view objects. And he has an entire chapter in this 793 01:26:50.680 --> 01:27:00.079 book on understanding and learning remote viewing. You need someone to help you develop 794 01:27:00.159 --> 01:27:08.640 the technique because obviously somebody has to place an object in a bag or a 795 01:27:08.680 --> 01:27:17.239 location and then be the one who is setting up the target and the target's 796 01:27:17.319 --> 01:27:24.920 key to developing a sense of I mean, developing the whole process. So 797 01:27:25.560 --> 01:27:30.960 fascinating this book came out in May Third Eye Spies and you can get it 798 01:27:31.159 --> 01:27:36.800 on Amazon now. It just came out. In fact, Russell's publicist reminded 799 01:27:36.840 --> 01:27:43.439 me this the other day, so it's also available on audible and I actually 800 01:27:43.479 --> 01:27:45.439 had a chance to listen to it. It's very, very good. It's 801 01:27:45.439 --> 01:27:49.680 not a huge book. The audible totals about three hours, so you can 802 01:27:49.720 --> 01:27:57.479 get the whole shebang and all the details. The only thing about audible is 803 01:27:57.560 --> 01:28:00.760 that it does not have the graphs that the book has, and I am 804 01:28:00.800 --> 01:28:05.359 going to be posting a number of the graphs that he features in the book, 805 01:28:06.319 --> 01:28:15.520 including this submarine that was discovered and a number of other objects that were 806 01:28:15.359 --> 01:28:27.720 uncovered during Russell's work at the SRI. So fascinating topic. Now, obviously 807 01:28:28.479 --> 01:28:33.760 this is something to consider when we're looking for archaeological ruins. And our guest 808 01:28:33.880 --> 01:28:41.720 next week is doctor Stephen Schwartz, who spent a considerable about a time in 809 01:28:42.840 --> 01:28:51.199 research for evidence for artifacts for ruins in other countries, and I'm curious to 810 01:28:51.239 --> 01:28:58.960 speak with him on just how this was used. Why we're not using remote 811 01:28:59.039 --> 01:29:03.239 viewing more ray regularly. I mean, the obvious answer to that would be 812 01:29:03.359 --> 01:29:12.720 that there are opposition, great resistance to this kind of an occult science. 813 01:29:13.479 --> 01:29:18.560 But you have to wonder why not, especially when it comes to finding evidence 814 01:29:18.720 --> 01:29:26.239 of ruined cities and things like that. Lightar is taking us so far in 815 01:29:26.359 --> 01:29:30.319 advance that I don't think archaeology is able to catch up with it when we 816 01:29:31.159 --> 01:29:35.000 as I mentioned in the very beginning of the show, when we have lightar 817 01:29:35.399 --> 01:29:45.359 scanning jungle areas and coming back with thousands and thousands of unknown ruins, then 818 01:29:46.359 --> 01:29:54.079 there's a catch up period. And I don't really believe that archaeology can is 819 01:29:54.119 --> 01:30:00.760 able to do or able to catch up given the resources it has. It's 820 01:30:00.800 --> 01:30:05.560 like anything else. You need boots on the ground, you need able bodied 821 01:30:06.079 --> 01:30:12.000 people to go out and find these areas. We do know that in the 822 01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:15.680 Guatemala when we had doctor Richard Hansen on the program. Remember Richard is the 823 01:30:15.720 --> 01:30:24.600 director of the El Meador project in Guatemala and he's excavating El Miador. He 824 01:30:24.760 --> 01:30:29.800 mentioned that it's going to take two hundred years to get people down and to 825 01:30:29.840 --> 01:30:35.880 start excavating that. I mean, the resources are so thin and and this 826 01:30:35.920 --> 01:30:41.960 is a huge problem. You know, unless we unless you get big institutions 827 01:30:42.039 --> 01:30:49.960 like National Geographic the Smithsonian or the government to to sponsor these digs, these 828 01:30:50.000 --> 01:30:58.119 excavations. Then it goes, you know, it's it's left for someone else's 829 01:30:58.960 --> 01:31:11.000 it's left for some technology CEO like an Edward, like an Elon Musk or 830 01:31:12.159 --> 01:31:17.479 one of the Google founders, or somebody who's got deep, deep pockets who 831 01:31:17.479 --> 01:31:26.039 can really jump into this. And I would love to see a really good 832 01:31:27.039 --> 01:31:33.279 group pulled together by a tech entrepreneur who's got really deep pockets, has tens 833 01:31:33.279 --> 01:31:38.920 of millions of dollars and you can spare a few million to put a program 834 01:31:38.920 --> 01:31:44.520 together and to go to Egypt. You know, it's funny because when we 835 01:31:45.199 --> 01:31:51.560 reported that the two Italian scientists had come back with a new type of acoustic 836 01:31:51.720 --> 01:31:58.399 scan and scan the Cheap's Pyramid and found all those new rooms and tunnels and 837 01:31:59.079 --> 01:32:05.640 passageways, they didn't even talk to the archaeological community or the Egypt Egypt Antiquities 838 01:32:05.720 --> 01:32:12.680 Department because they would have huge resistance. This is the kind of thing that 839 01:32:12.720 --> 01:32:18.239 we I mean, we need to step over this long tooth, this dry, 840 01:32:18.239 --> 01:32:28.680 this outdated, antiquated way of going about receiving data. You know, 841 01:32:28.720 --> 01:32:34.119 if somebody were to use the same system on let's say Ushmal or Chichi Nitsa, 842 01:32:34.239 --> 01:32:40.520 the main pyramids there, or scanned to call. We would find out 843 01:32:41.319 --> 01:32:48.520 probably that the pyramidal structures at a certain location would come back with some very 844 01:32:48.600 --> 01:32:55.960 similar internal design. And I'm waiting for this to happen, you know, 845 01:32:56.079 --> 01:33:00.920 at the at the current rate, it won't be for many, many years. 846 01:33:00.640 --> 01:33:03.760 Someone's gonna have to do that. Someone's gonna have to point one of 847 01:33:03.760 --> 01:33:12.079 these high sophisticated, high level satellites at some of these Mayan pyramids or even 848 01:33:12.159 --> 01:33:17.720 the Camere pyramids in Cambodia and see how they're constructed. I would bet you 849 01:33:18.560 --> 01:33:26.680 that they are quite intricate. I say this because I am currently writing about 850 01:33:26.800 --> 01:33:33.800 the opportunity that we had with doctor Sergio Gomez at the Quitoquadal Pyramid when we 851 01:33:33.840 --> 01:33:40.239 had a chance to go into the pyramid, and subsequent photos that I found 852 01:33:40.279 --> 01:33:46.680 and also Ed Barnhart delivered to me, revealed that there are a number of 853 01:33:47.039 --> 01:33:59.399 surface and internal canals that are feeding water into this tunnel and no one's talking 854 01:33:59.439 --> 01:34:02.199 about it. Now Ed, and I mentioned this before, now Ed came 855 01:34:02.239 --> 01:34:04.880 back to me and said, well, this is just how they designed them. 856 01:34:04.920 --> 01:34:13.199 Because the water means the underworld, and it's kind of a symbolic contribution 857 01:34:13.359 --> 01:34:16.840 to any pyramid design. But you know, if I want to talk to 858 01:34:16.880 --> 01:34:20.520 Chris Dunn about this, I want to talk to about other engineers about this. 859 01:34:21.159 --> 01:34:30.720 I think the water was fed into these pyramids took to deliver another element 860 01:34:30.359 --> 01:34:36.600 in a combustion scenario, so water, and then we see mercury, and 861 01:34:36.640 --> 01:34:45.520 then we see strange gases delivered to the tunnel. And when we were in 862 01:34:45.640 --> 01:34:48.479 the tunnel, if you look at this at the ceiling, it was black 863 01:34:48.640 --> 01:34:54.880 like there was some form of combustion going on. The twan Opkins who are 864 01:34:55.920 --> 01:35:04.680 attributed as the builders of Tunako Tunakin, we're not the original builders. They 865 01:35:05.079 --> 01:35:10.800 found it in the state it is. And there's so many reasons why I 866 01:35:10.800 --> 01:35:15.159 can't bring it up right now. So anyhow, technology, this kind of 867 01:35:15.199 --> 01:35:21.760 technology remote viewing is very very powerful. Why we're not using it more regularly 868 01:35:23.560 --> 01:35:29.560 is anyone's guest. I'm beginning to think that it's probably being used by NSA, 869 01:35:29.840 --> 01:35:38.600 CIA and other intelligence organizations as they see fit. In fact, there's 870 01:35:38.600 --> 01:35:46.399 a great deal of rumor that the CIA and other intelligence agencies have been imaging 871 01:35:46.680 --> 01:35:55.239 and scanning the Moon and scanning other planets and scanning UFOs UAPs for the occupancy, 872 01:35:55.760 --> 01:35:59.800 the occupants, where they're coming from, their intent, so forth and 873 01:36:00.079 --> 01:36:04.520 so on, and getting some pretty good detail. We will never ever hear 874 01:36:04.600 --> 01:36:12.720 about this. We will never ever get data or have anything reported to us 875 01:36:13.239 --> 01:36:17.319 for the next many many decades because it has to be declassified before us for 876 01:36:17.399 --> 01:36:23.840 us to get it. So fascinating topic. Stay tuned for more with Stephen 877 01:36:23.920 --> 01:36:29.840 Schwartz doctor Schwartz next week. He is an archaeologist. I am looking forward 878 01:36:30.000 --> 01:36:36.560 to talking to him about what he's been used using remote viewing for why it's 879 01:36:36.600 --> 01:36:45.079 not used more broadly and because you know, you get you get your team 880 01:36:45.159 --> 01:36:50.039 together, your remote view an area, a suspicious area, that's the foundation. 881 01:36:50.920 --> 01:36:57.039 Then you use a scanning technology like lighter you pinpoint it, and then 882 01:36:57.079 --> 01:37:00.159 you get bodies down there, and then you got it. So why are 883 01:37:00.199 --> 01:37:05.560 not using this? You know why we're still kind of decades behind the curve 884 01:37:06.359 --> 01:37:12.439 is anyone's guests. But look forward to Stephen doctor Stevens Schwartz next week. 885 01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:20.199 Hey, we are doing Egypt next year and if you want to join us, 886 01:37:20.239 --> 01:37:27.319 it's going to be April twenty eight through May nine, it's our Grand 887 01:37:27.359 --> 01:37:31.720 Egyptian Tour number five. We all meet in Cairo. It is going to 888 01:37:31.840 --> 01:37:38.920 be a blast. We see fascinating places. We're gonna add some new visits, 889 01:37:38.920 --> 01:37:47.439 but it's twelve days of VIP personal, it's twelve days of private visits. 890 01:37:48.119 --> 01:37:51.399 We get this visit the Great Pyramid, the Cheap's Pyramid, two hours 891 01:37:51.439 --> 01:37:55.439 on our own. We can go and do whatever we want inside there, 892 01:37:56.600 --> 01:38:00.079 we see a lot of temples. 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We're gonna be meeting in Istanbul, which has a number of prominent 919 01:40:15.319 --> 01:40:21.119 museums that are mind blowing because the artifacts are not well known, very anomalous 920 01:40:21.199 --> 01:40:28.520 sculptures, very anomalous statues, very anomalous artifacts because that place is as old 921 01:40:28.560 --> 01:40:33.880 as the planet, so lots to check out. For more information and details, 922 01:40:34.000 --> 01:40:40.039 send me an email Earth Agents for You at gmail dot com and I'll 923 01:40:40.039 --> 01:40:43.159 get back to you. Get on that list as soon as you can that 924 01:40:43.279 --> 01:40:46.520 is coming up. Can't tell you the price, but we always do very 925 01:40:46.640 --> 01:40:50.960 very reasonably priced tours. Most of the tours in Egypt are on ten to 926 01:40:51.000 --> 01:40:57.680 twelve thousand. Ours are under five thousand, and that's twelve days of everything 927 01:40:57.760 --> 01:41:01.239 covered. I mean your hotels, your food, your beverages, your your 928 01:41:01.279 --> 01:41:10.439 access points, your travel because we do fly from Cairo to Aswan and to 929 01:41:10.640 --> 01:41:17.359 access these other temples. That also includes a luxurious boat ride. These boats 930 01:41:17.439 --> 01:41:23.439 on the Nile are amazing and includes all your food, all your relaxation, 931 01:41:24.199 --> 01:41:29.239 all your beverages, and you can even swim in the water. They have 932 01:41:29.359 --> 01:41:35.199 pools on these on these boats. Earth Agents for You at gmail dot com. 933 01:41:35.319 --> 01:41:41.079 We love doing tours, so come out and join us. You'll love 934 01:41:41.119 --> 01:41:45.000 it. All right, that's it for today's program. I want to think 935 01:41:45.039 --> 01:41:49.079 my guest today Russell Targ. Remember his new book Third Eye Spies has just 936 01:41:49.199 --> 01:41:55.079 come out. You can get it on Amazon or wherever you get your favorite 937 01:41:55.079 --> 01:41:58.439 books if you if you're like me and you don't have time to read, 938 01:41:58.600 --> 01:42:01.920 go to Ble you'll see it there. Third Ice Spies just came out, 939 01:42:03.199 --> 01:42:10.800 Russell Targ and really really good read and excellent material. All right, as 940 01:42:10.800 --> 01:42:15.279 always a team of Ruth Thomas, Mark Foster, Chris Hayes. Thank you 941 01:42:15.399 --> 01:42:19.319 very much. You guys rock and I really appreciate your help. All right, 942 01:42:19.319 --> 01:43:05.840 take care of be well and we will talk to you next time.