WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.040 --> 00:00:07.879 Hudson River Radio dot Com. This is Travis Walton and you are listening to 2 00:00:08.439 --> 00:00:24.000 UFO Headquarters. Utiful Headquarters. Welcome listeners near and close, far and wide. 3 00:00:24.000 --> 00:00:28.960 This is Michael Wharton and Linda's Immerman with another exciting episode of u FO 4 00:00:29.039 --> 00:00:35.840 Headquarters. You're one stop shopping place for UFO information out there in the world. 5 00:00:37.600 --> 00:00:42.280 I think that's okay. What do you think sounds good? We are 6 00:00:42.359 --> 00:00:49.520 the We are the department store of UFO knowledge the New York. Hey, 7 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:51.880 maybe getting to me a little bit, you know, I don't like he 8 00:00:55.359 --> 00:01:00.960 all right, So we have a very interesting you know, we've we haven't 9 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:08.799 talked too much about really old sightings, but today's episode is sixteenth century sightings 10 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:15.400 and there's some amazing ones. We can't talk about stealth the government projects in 11 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:19.959 the sixteenth century. So I love the old ones. But first we have 12 00:01:21.359 --> 00:01:34.560 a listener case that was sent and so Mike take that away. My wife 13 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:38.280 and I and my son and daughter, who at the time were around fourteen 14 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:42.079 years old and eight years old, respectively, saw in the sky what could 15 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:45.879 only be described as a UFO. I was in the military and housed at 16 00:01:45.920 --> 00:01:49.879 well. I was told with a defunct Nike missile base located into Tapan, 17 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:53.239 New York. On the night in question, I was driving down the road 18 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:57.359 not far from my housing area when a large, what looked to be a 19 00:01:57.519 --> 00:02:02.920 round shaped object appeared overhead. I pulled off the road to get a better 20 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:06.599 look, and when I looked in my rear view mirror, I could see 21 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:12.080 a line of cars in back of me doing the same thing. Once my 22 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:15.639 vehicle was stationary, I looked up at the object to get a better view 23 00:02:15.639 --> 00:02:19.759 of what I was seeing. The object was hovering what seemed to be less 24 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:22.800 than one quarter of a mile ahead of me. Like I said, against 25 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:25.639 the dark sky, it appeared to be round. What was most striking was 26 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:30.520 the bright lights that surrounded it. They were multi colored and appeared like what 27 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:35.080 I would describe as sequential, not sure if that's the correct word to use, 28 00:02:35.199 --> 00:02:40.199 like today's modern led Christmas lights. I'm not sure how long this encounter 29 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:46.439 lasted, but I do recall how it ended, with military aircraft helicopters approaching 30 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:51.000 from the east. Being a field recruiter for that area for the US Army 31 00:02:51.080 --> 00:02:55.759 Reserve, I was aware that there was a Reserve military aviation unit nearby, 32 00:02:58.159 --> 00:03:01.080 well What happened next led me to believe that what I was looking at was 33 00:03:01.159 --> 00:03:07.039 indeed not an aircraft of our making or that of another country's making. As 34 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:13.120 the Halo Helos helicopters got closer to the UFO, I saw what was an 35 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:20.159 impossible aerial maneuver. The object lights went dark, and immediately this object took 36 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:24.400 a vertical climb straight up and then took off on a forty five degree angle 37 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:29.520 across the sky, and within a few seconds from beginning to end, it 38 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:32.400 was gone. The chopper state in the area flying around for a while, 39 00:03:34.039 --> 00:03:37.280 they may not have witnessed what those of us on the ground did, or 40 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:39.479 else they would have known that the aircraft was long gone, or perhaps they 41 00:03:39.479 --> 00:03:44.560 thought it might return. In retrospect, that night, I only heard and 42 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:49.240 saw rotary aircraft, no fixed wing aircraft that I can recall, to the 43 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:53.719 best of my calculations. That was probably nineteen eighty five or nineteen eighty six 44 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:59.840 that this incident took place. My entire family can recall that night and vivid 45 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:05.080 detail, because this is something you don't easily forget. I guess today's Marine 46 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:10.360 eighty eight Harrier jet has the capability of climbing vertically and taking off and engaging 47 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:15.080 thrusters from that position, but nothing like the speed and maneuverability my family and 48 00:04:15.080 --> 00:04:17.639 I had witnessed that night, and mind you, that was almost forty years 49 00:04:17.680 --> 00:04:21.639 ago. I hope this helps you in your research project. Also, I 50 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:27.240 am willing to undergo hit those this or be subject to a polygraph in order 51 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:33.879 to add validity to my encounter. And that is signed Joseph McCausland. Yeah. 52 00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:43.240 Just wow, so well described and written. You know, military man 53 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:48.279 has some idea what he's you know, looking at and not knowing what he's 54 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:53.199 looking at, and then willing, yeah, give me a polygraph, right, 55 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:57.319 you know, and his whole family and I loved also love the line, 56 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:00.439 this is something you don't easily forget. You know a lot of people 57 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:04.639 say, oh, how can you remember something, because it's probably the most 58 00:05:04.720 --> 00:05:11.000 remarkable thing you've ever seen in your life. You know, there is an 59 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:17.199 intensity to these experiences that imprint them deeply on your mind. Yeah. I 60 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:26.399 love his description of the impossible aerial maneuver. I mean, if that doesn't 61 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:30.000 sum up without even describing what he saw, you know, in your mind, 62 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:32.759 this is something that can't be done on earth. Just the way he 63 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:38.120 says that leads up to that, it's like, Okay, he definitely saw 64 00:05:38.319 --> 00:05:42.879 something here. I mean, and we've heard from other witnesses, you know, 65 00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:45.519 they how many have said the same thing. It was like a life 66 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:49.600 altering moment for them seeing and not even people that have had alleged contact. 67 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:57.959 There's people that have seen them of course, right, yeah, So we 68 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:02.000 really do appreciate people sending in their their story, you know, and it 69 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:05.720 just goes to show they're still out there. I mean, how many years 70 00:06:05.720 --> 00:06:11.279 have I been researching this and hear something from the wave of the eighties another 71 00:06:11.759 --> 00:06:15.439 you know, new quote, you know air quote, new story that I 72 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:20.639 had not heard. So please, I appreciate everyone, Thank you to this 73 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:26.879 man for taking the time to write. It really is appreciated and we all 74 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:31.519 benefit from it when witnesses come forward to tell their stories. So before we 75 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:38.519 get to our sixteenth century witnesses, perhaps we ought to take our first break 76 00:06:38.639 --> 00:06:49.040 and dive back in time. Hudson River Radio dot com Hudson River Radio dot 77 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:56.000 com a subsidiary of Glacier Entertainment called LC blasting the competition in New York's Hudson 78 00:06:56.079 --> 00:07:05.759 Valley we are back here on Hudson River Radio Porters. Linda, what a 79 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:11.240 way to start the show with a compan I witness account. I loved it. 80 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:14.240 I hope I did justice to his when I read it and made it 81 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:18.240 sound like him. You know, if he had been saying it. You 82 00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:23.199 did a great job there, very good, I mean, a credible witness, 83 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:28.480 a great, very succinct explanation, given us enough background what was seen 84 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:32.160 and how it impacted him to really drive home. Just how genuine that account 85 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:38.639 really seems to be. Yeah to me, definitely. So let's see how 86 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:46.720 genuine these accounts are. We're going back to Nuremberg, Germany, fifteen sixty 87 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:53.240 one. You might be familiar with the famous wood cut by Hans Glosso if 88 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:56.839 not, as we're speaking, you might. If you have a different device, 89 00:07:56.920 --> 00:08:00.600 don't turn us off. You might want to better leave us. You 90 00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:05.800 might want to google the Nuremberg, Germany fifteen sixty one UFO a wood cut. 91 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:09.600 So here's the You know, people have said all things about it, 92 00:08:09.639 --> 00:08:16.920 but here is the account, which one skeptic said, well, the wood 93 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:22.800 count the wood cut was made after the fact. Ah, how do you 94 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:28.720 make a woodcut of a event that hasn't happened yet, so please don't get 95 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:35.279 me started anyway. Okay, So here's the account. In the morning of 96 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:41.039 April fourteenth, fifteen sixty one, at daybreak, between four and five am, 97 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:46.399 a dreadful apparition occurred on the sun and was then seen in Nuremberg, 98 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:52.320 in this city before the gates, and in the country by many men and 99 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:58.679 women. So are establishing mass sighting here. At first there appeared in the 100 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:05.039 middle of the sun two blood red semicircular arcs arcs, just like the moon 101 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:09.360 in its last quarter, and in the sun above and below on both sides. 102 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:13.919 The color was blood. They loved their love, their blood analogies. 103 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:22.840 Here there's anything red was the color of blood. There's stood a round ball 104 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:28.759 of partly dull, partly black ferris color. Okay, not a normal thing 105 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:37.240 you see at sunrise. Likewise, there stood on both sides and as a 106 00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:43.200 taurus about the sun, such blood red ones and other balls in large number, 107 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:50.200 about three in a line and four in a square. Also some alone. 108 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:54.960 So there's a lot of these spheres in the sky. So we have 109 00:09:54.080 --> 00:10:01.279 crescent shapes, we have spheres in between these globes. There were visible a 110 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:07.200 few blood red crosses, between which there were blood red strips, becoming thicker 111 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:13.679 to the rear and in the front malleable, like the rods of reed grass. 112 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:20.320 So I assumed they're moving, maybe changing shape, which were intermingled among 113 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:24.960 them two big rods, one on the right, the other on the left, 114 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:31.000 and within them the small and big rods were there were three also four 115 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:39.840 and more globes. So we have cylinders and spheres of different colors moving around 116 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:46.960 near the sun. Okay, so you could say blood red sky for those 117 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:52.159 of those of us in the country who have just undergone the Canadian wildfire smoke 118 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:58.399 and saw orange skies, and well maybe there was ash, and you know, 119 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:03.919 you can try to make some sort of rational things. But then here's 120 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:13.639 the kicker. These all started to fight among themselves and fought vehemently with each 121 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:20.519 other for over an hour. And when the conflict in and again out of 122 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:26.879 the sun was most intense, they became fatigued to such an extent that they 123 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:33.519 all, as said above, fell from the sun down upon the earth as 124 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:41.000 if they all burned, And they then wasted away on the earth with immense 125 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:50.799 smoke, sounds like they crashed and burned Okay, now this is very extent 126 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:56.360 exciting. After these were essentially shot out of the sky, it sounds like 127 00:11:58.799 --> 00:12:05.240 something like a black spear, very long and thick, was sighted. The 128 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:11.639 shaft pointed to the east, the point pointed west. Whatever such signs mean, 129 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:20.600 God will mean. God only alone knows. So we have cylinders and 130 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:31.840 spears crashing and burning at a large, enormous black triangle moving in. I 131 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:37.639 can only urge people to pause. If you have to pull this image up, 132 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:43.200 they have to see how it's illustrated to really understand what you're describing. 133 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:48.600 I mean, it's crazy. It's just an amazing and aerial battle. The 134 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:52.320 descriptions, it's just I was looking at it as you were reading it, 135 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:54.919 watching it, and I'm thinking, you know, he did a great job 136 00:12:54.960 --> 00:13:03.039 describing what was represented. I think, yeah. Some some critics, skeptics 137 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:11.519 claim it was a sun dog, which is sunlight reflecting refracting in ice crystals. 138 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:16.440 I've seen sun dogs. They're called mock suns, and you see you 139 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:18.960 see them usually on either side of the sun, and maybe they'll be a 140 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:26.639 halo, but they don't start fighting amongst themselves and crash and burn, smoking 141 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:33.279 to the ground. Ice crystals don't do that. I just need to point 142 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:37.320 that out for the skeptical people in the audience. And then black triangles don't 143 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:43.559 appear as if, Wow, well we've cleared the air of all of these 144 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:54.000 little menaces. So I just have to mention this episode. This fifteen sixty 145 00:13:54.039 --> 00:14:01.080 one sighting was mentioned in Carl Jung's nineteen fifty eight book Flying Saucers a modern 146 00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:05.840 myth of the modern myth of things seen in the sky. So right off 147 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:11.799 the bat, he's saying myth. So he was the Swiss psychiatrist psychoanalyst, 148 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:18.799 emphasis on the psycho when I tell you what he describes. He believes the 149 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:26.399 spectacle was most likely a natural phenomenon, and quote, if UFOs were living 150 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:33.399 organisms, would one would think of a swarm of insects rising with the sun, 151 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:39.799 not to fight one another, but to mate and celebrate the marriage flight. 152 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:48.600 This just might be the stupidest thing I have ever read on UFO headquarters. 153 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:54.679 I read some stupid accounts, stupid excuses. No, this was not 154 00:14:54.799 --> 00:14:58.279 a battle amongst craft in the sky. Think of it as a swarm of 155 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:05.440 insect mating. But that's just fabling. People used to pay this guy to 156 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:13.159 analyze them. Yeah, so I want to check the refund policy at this 157 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:24.360 point. So yes, stupid excuses side just a phenomenal account. And how 158 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:30.159 you know a sun dog? There was on Good Friday in fifteen fifty four 159 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:39.039 there was another publication which talked about like mocks Son's Okay, I could not 160 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:45.480 find the actual test text of that, but could that have been a sun 161 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:50.840 dog? Yes, but if they started battling and came crashing down to Earth 162 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:56.840 in an immense smoke, I think we can dismiss anything meteorological there. But 163 00:15:56.879 --> 00:16:00.840 this is just fabulous. People have to look at this would cut again just 164 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:11.000 fifteen sixty one, Nuremberg, Germany. Then I thought this was interesting. 165 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:15.759 Also in fifteen fifty four, in July of that month of that year, 166 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:26.360 there was what was described as in the sky nights fighting each other with fiery 167 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:36.679 swords. Okay, what do knights wear metallic armor? They don't tend to 168 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:42.519 have fiery swords. So are we talking about metallic craft with some sort of 169 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:56.759 exhaust, some sort of fiery weapons. Hard to describe as something astronomical or 170 00:16:56.799 --> 00:17:04.000 meteorological in that regard, Are correct? Yeah? Absolutely? Absolutely? Yeah, 171 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:12.359 So I have an fifteen sixty six in Basel, Switzerland, Basil, 172 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:18.559 however you would like to pronounce it. There was a publication called the fluke 173 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:23.160 Blot of Basil, which was the word for a leaflet or another one, 174 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:26.759 you know, one or two or I think was a just a one page 175 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:37.079 folded leaflet printed by Samuel Cook. Yes, July twenty seventh, twenty eighth, 176 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:42.559 and August seventh, he's writing about. So Saturday July twenty seventh, 177 00:17:42.559 --> 00:17:48.599 again fifteen sixty six in Switzerland was a warm, clear day, and around 178 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:56.720 nine pm he said, the sun got smaller and turned blood red. Okay, 179 00:17:57.640 --> 00:18:03.640 Sunday, the twenty eight the sun was still a deep red and the 180 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:07.200 streets and everyone were bathed in a blood red light. You know they do 181 00:18:07.319 --> 00:18:11.960 love their blood red, they seem to. Yes. Yeah, So if 182 00:18:12.039 --> 00:18:18.799 that was the extent of it, you could say wildfire, smoke, volcanic 183 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:26.279 ash turning things right. But one would think if it was a really bad 184 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:32.599 wildfire, they would have gotten news of it at some point, and I 185 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:38.440 don't. I could not find of anything about any wildfires in July fifteen sixty 186 00:18:38.519 --> 00:18:44.480 six, So just those two I wouldn't have bothered with. Then we come 187 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:52.720 to dawn of August seventh, we saw large black spheres coming and going with 188 00:18:53.039 --> 00:19:02.039 great speed and precipitation before the sun, and chattered as if they had led 189 00:19:02.319 --> 00:19:08.039 a fight. Many of them were fiery, red and soon crumbled and then 190 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:15.759 extinguished. And again there is a wood cut. Look up Basel, Switzerland, 191 00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:22.960 fifteen sixty six. Wood cut. I counted about thirty six spheres white 192 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:26.160 and black people in the streets, you know, pointing up, looking in 193 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:37.640 amazement of what was going on. So dozens of black and white spheres seeming 194 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:45.799 to be in a fight, and again fiery, crashing and burning and disappearing. 195 00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:52.599 What the hell was going on in the sixteenth century. Well, if 196 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:55.640 we asked the United States government to explain it to us, they would tell 197 00:19:55.680 --> 00:20:00.359 us that the Holy Roman Empire was testing one of their sky chariots, you 198 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:04.160 know, yes, during a temperature and during a temperature inversion. You know, 199 00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:08.039 the Roman Army was well known for having a spectacular airports at that time. 200 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:12.799 Or it was Venus. It could have been Venus. It could have 201 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:18.960 been Venus known to crash and burn in the countryside. So yeah, these 202 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:26.920 are phenomenal. There are other accounts, other woodcuts in in archives but definitely 203 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:33.839 take a look at those two. After we come back from our second break, 204 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:38.039 we are going to another part of the world and this is going to 205 00:20:38.240 --> 00:20:48.680 blow your mind. So we will be right back Hudson River Radio dot com. 206 00:20:49.680 --> 00:21:00.839 This is Hudson River Radio dot com. So we are way back in 207 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:04.079 time today Linda in the fifteen hundredth and so on. And I know we're 208 00:21:04.119 --> 00:21:08.200 about to jump continents from Europe to another part of the world. But I 209 00:21:08.559 --> 00:21:12.240 wanted to just jump to something that struck me a long time ago that I 210 00:21:12.279 --> 00:21:17.759 saw. I've seen it many times in my trips there. I first saw 211 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:22.039 it in the summer of two thousand and that is a wood what's a painting 212 00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:25.759 on wood that is in the way. I'm going to mispronounce his name. 213 00:21:25.839 --> 00:21:32.319 The the store Kukin, which is the cathedral in Stockholm. It's an old 214 00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:37.400 cathedral and it's a painting which is voter Sluts of Valom. I know I 215 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:41.599 just butchered Swedish there. I apologize, correct me, send us a message 216 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:48.240 through to correct pronunciation. But it's from It depicts an event April twentieth, 217 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:52.839 fifteen thirty five that occurred over the skies of Stockholm and I first looked at 218 00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:56.799 this in two thousand. The first thing I thought was UFOs because it depicted 219 00:21:56.839 --> 00:22:03.400 a bunch of circular objects in the sky over Stockholm at different overlaps. And 220 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:07.480 of course that the interpretation has been they were sundogs, and they might and 221 00:22:07.559 --> 00:22:11.680 they may wear very well. I've been The original painting is lost. This 222 00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:17.119 is believed to be a copy made sometime in the sixteen thirties that was redone, 223 00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:18.559 so it's not for a long time they thought it was original, then 224 00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:22.400 it was. You know, it turns out now it's a really good copy. 225 00:22:22.480 --> 00:22:25.960 But you know, I always looked at that, and every time I've 226 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:27.920 gone back to Stockholm and gone there, I always go look at it because 227 00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:30.960 I'm always like, you know, and I've never really seen a SunDog. 228 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:34.559 I guess maybe that looked like that. Maybe I've not seen enough sundogs, 229 00:22:34.599 --> 00:22:37.039 but I always jumped out. I mean, the minute you started talking about 230 00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:41.799 all these old cases, you know, I'm like, hey, that's the 231 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:45.079 par helion. I think that's what they used to call it. So yeah, 232 00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:48.000 very cool. Yeah, yeah, there's some very interesting things in old 233 00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:55.920 paintings, Renaissance paintings, you know, which described as it's the Holy Spirit 234 00:22:56.480 --> 00:23:00.200 in a metallic ball with a person sitting in it with flames coming out the 235 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:04.480 back. Okay, that's not the way the Holy Spirit was described to me 236 00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:14.799 in Sunday School. So, yes, we are going to Korea now sixteen 237 00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:18.039 o nine, so we're a little technically out of the sixteenth century, but 238 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:26.680 you know they're the from thirteen ninety two to eighteen ninety seven was the Joson 239 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:30.400 dynasty. Talk about butchering things. I'm about to butcher a lot of Korean 240 00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:38.519 here. And they had scribes that they wrote down everything in what was called 241 00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:47.440 the True Record of the Joson Dynasty. And it was true because if it 242 00:23:47.559 --> 00:23:53.000 was found out you had written a falsehood, you could be executed. So 243 00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:56.519 I was thinking, if they brought that back now, we would have no 244 00:23:56.759 --> 00:24:03.519 news channels left, all all the major news networks would be gone, social 245 00:24:03.519 --> 00:24:07.440 media everything, Yeah, we would. We would have to go back to 246 00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:15.480 books. So they wrote down the weather, battles, everything, the king 247 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:19.720 ate. You know, you can imagine these compulsive little scribes running around just 248 00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:26.200 constantly writing things. My favorite thing, and the scribe who did this is 249 00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:29.519 one of my favorite people of all time. Even though I don't know who 250 00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:37.240 he was. In fourteen oh four, King Taijong fell off his horse while 251 00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:41.680 hunting. He immediately jumps up, run over, runs over to the scribe 252 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:45.039 and says, don't you write this down? So what did the scribe do? 253 00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:51.559 Wrote down how the king fell off his horse and how the king told 254 00:24:51.640 --> 00:24:56.640 him not to write it down. I just loved that. That made my 255 00:24:56.759 --> 00:25:02.839 day. So they wrote down on everything. In other words, I, 256 00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:06.960 you know, did that too, even at the risk of the king's wrath. 257 00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:12.640 They wrote down everything, and obviously they could be killed if they didn't, 258 00:25:14.559 --> 00:25:19.799 you know, if they weren't accurate. So we are going to September 259 00:25:19.880 --> 00:25:27.960 twenty second, sixteen o nine in the Gangwong Province, which is in the 260 00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:34.240 northeast section of South Korea. Of course it wasn't South Korea then, but 261 00:25:34.359 --> 00:25:40.920 I just to give you an idea where that was in the town of ghost 262 00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:48.559 yang Gong between nine and eleven am. The scribe writes down whether the sun 263 00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:52.240 shone brightly in the blue sky and there was not a single cloud in all 264 00:25:52.279 --> 00:26:03.119 directions, then writes down strange aerial phenomenon out noises like thunder or drums. 265 00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:07.559 People came out on the street in fear. They come running out of their 266 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:12.680 houses because of this. Then something like smoke came out of the sky. 267 00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:18.759 In two places, the shape of a halo of sunlight could be observed, 268 00:26:19.279 --> 00:26:29.119 and it was constantly moving then abruptly stopped after a long time. Okay, 269 00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:34.359 so at first, well it was thunder without you know, a lightning storm, 270 00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:41.599 or it was sundor. But then this circular object is moving all around 271 00:26:41.720 --> 00:26:48.960 the sky and finally stops after a long time, and I guess goes away. 272 00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:59.039 So conventional explanation anything now, No. So at the same time, 273 00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:04.039 around the same time, between nine and eleven am, the scribe of Wanjamuk 274 00:27:04.839 --> 00:27:12.599 writes that there was a red glowing object shaped like a long cloth that flew 275 00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:18.839 from south to north. A loud noise like thunder was heard in the sky 276 00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:26.359 and then stopped. I can't figure this one out. What could possibly look 277 00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:36.079 a red glowing object looking like a long cloth? Right, I can't even 278 00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:41.680 I can't even picture that. Do you want to take the next one from 279 00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:47.559 yang Nyong? Yeah, let me switch my pages here again. From nine 280 00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:52.720 to eleven am, so this was seen basically a five or six hour period 281 00:27:52.880 --> 00:28:00.000 all over this area of Korea. Do you want me to. I got 282 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:06.799 it here. This is gong noong. I didn't pronounce that correctly, did 283 00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:15.000 I? The sun was bright and clear. There was a I can't remake 284 00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:21.839 out that first word, strange aerial phenomena just as bad as you. Yeah, 285 00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:23.720 I know, as long as we can read it ourselves, but most 286 00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:27.839 of the time I can't. A physical object suddenly appeared in the sky and 287 00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:32.359 made small noises, so a little different than the other ones we've been talking 288 00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:37.039 about, which were thunderous or drumming almost. Its shape was like a large 289 00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:42.359 gourd pointed at the top and bottom, a gorge shape. I have not 290 00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:47.960 No, that's another one, yeah, I mean, but a great description 291 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:51.880 really puts an image in my mind. Its movement was as if it was 292 00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:56.880 about to fall to the ground. The shape gradually grew to three or four 293 00:28:57.039 --> 00:29:02.559 yine, which is thirty to forty feet, and the color was extremely glowing 294 00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:10.920 red. A white aura appeared in its trajectory. Was it a control yeah? 295 00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:14.920 Which right, which took a long time to dissipate in the air. 296 00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:19.119 After the object was gone, thunder was heard and the sound shook the heavens 297 00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:26.000 and earth. Okay, I mean, okay, how do you explain that 298 00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:33.799 one in terms of something meteorological or a large gourd shaped object pointed top and 299 00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:44.559 bottom, leaving a white aura in its trajectory that took time to dissipate. 300 00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:51.680 Yes, sounds like a contrail, right, and some exactly enormous object. 301 00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:57.119 So a little bit later, between eleven am and one pm in chung Chong, 302 00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:03.920 the weather was clear and blue, except for a brief cloud in the 303 00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:11.359 southern east sky. Once again reporting on strange aerial phenomenon. At midday, 304 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:18.079 a firelight was observed in the sky. It was shaped like a large bowl, 305 00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:23.319 and it was formed in the southeast and flew to the north. It 306 00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:30.240 was very large and moved like an arrow. But after a long while, 307 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:37.680 the fire object gradually dissipated and blue and white smoke appeared and expanded, which 308 00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:44.279 started to fly in a curve and did not disperse for a long time. 309 00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:56.359 The sounds like thunder and drums shook the heavens and earth and then stopped a 310 00:30:56.519 --> 00:31:02.960 large bowl. Yeah, I am just I'm struck by the you know, 311 00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:08.640 the loud drums or thunder aspect of these encounters, Like what were they hearing? 312 00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:17.400 What was causing that? Yeah? We don't often hear explosions In a 313 00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:19.759 lot of modern UFO reports, you know, people say, oh, I 314 00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:25.039 heard an explosion. Could they have been hearing a sonic boombs? Could they've 315 00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:30.160 been hearing things? I don't know. Yeah, it's it's fascinating. But 316 00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:34.880 again, if you just heard the sounds, big deal, distant thunder or 317 00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:42.200 you know, sometimes sounds are heard before an earthquake, but they're not you 318 00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:48.880 know, shaped like a bowl or record, moving like an arrow, and 319 00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:56.200 you know, these are very highly descriptive. These scribes are trying their best 320 00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:02.160 with their limited range of knowledge of what's going on in the sky to describe 321 00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:07.400 it. So this we've got, We've got two more. I'll take the 322 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:12.559 next one. You can, you can take the last one to three pm, 323 00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:15.440 so a little later in the day in Yang Yang, Hopefully I got 324 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:23.279 that right. Mun Wee Kim, a rank official, saw a shiny round 325 00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:31.319 object resembling a wash basin floating mid air in the middle of his house garden. 326 00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:37.799 Its movement at first was this if it was about to crash to the 327 00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:42.920 ground, but soon it went up by one yang, which as we know 328 00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:51.200 now is ten feet, so as if some kind of chi or energy was 329 00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:58.799 present in the air. That's fascinating. It went up as if some sort 330 00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:06.200 of energy pushed it up. The object was about an armful in size and 331 00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:12.480 about half a pill. Okay, a pill is three feet You're learning more 332 00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:17.000 about Korean forms of menasurement than you ever wanted to know. Half a pill 333 00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:23.160 in length, white color on the east side, glowing blue in the center, 334 00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:29.519 and red on the west side. When Kim looked at it, it 335 00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:37.359 started to fold like a rainbow, which resembled a rolled flag. Hurst it 336 00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:43.599 looks like a wash basin. Then it's like that other description of the long 337 00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:46.759 cloth in the air. That's what I was thinking to that. Relating it 338 00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:52.359 to that, is that like ribbons of smoke swirling. I'm trying to get 339 00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:59.640 my head around this. Then it started to ascend, and halfway up in 340 00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:07.200 the air it turned red all over. It moved north and turned into some 341 00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:13.239 white clouds, which were beautiful to see. Now did it actually go in 342 00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:20.000 the clouds or did it mask itself in clouds? Not really clear. Then 343 00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:25.719 it flew into the sky very fast, as if it were attracted to the 344 00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:32.800 sky. I mean, is this describing the movement of modern day UFOs as 345 00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:38.320 if it was attracted to the sky, crashing into the sky as if it 346 00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:45.079 was spitting out energy. Sounds like an exhaust or a thruster. Right, 347 00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:52.519 this scribe is amazing, Yes, his work here. Suddenly it was split 348 00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:59.679 into two pieces from the middle. How many times have we heard craft dividing. 349 00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:07.760 One flew southeast and disappeared and the other still floating where it looked like 350 00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:15.039 a square cushion. Okay, we now have an early rectangular square UFO sighting. 351 00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:23.440 And for a long time there was a sound like thunder or stones rolling. 352 00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:30.760 So there again is the loud noise. But I mean, just think 353 00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:36.039 of the details in this. You just this is not a swarm of insects 354 00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:44.480 mating. Let me point that out. Sorry, Carlyong. It's just remarkable. 355 00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:50.760 So if you would like to finish off with the last selection here, 356 00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:55.639 and this is the one in the pyong Nang Private Pong right, nang jeong 357 00:35:55.760 --> 00:36:01.800 Yang is right, Pyongyang Province in northwest North Korea today in the northern part 358 00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:07.719 of the divided country, and it's one to three pm in Sanshan. The 359 00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:13.639 day was clear and open without a single dot of a cloud. So already 360 00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:15.679 we got a great image of the sky just being this beautiful blue sky. 361 00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:22.239 An observer was startled by the sound of artillery fire from the edge of the 362 00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:30.199 eastern sky. When he looked up in the sky, a fireball that looked 363 00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:36.599 like a haystack was falling into the sky. The place where the fireball passed 364 00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:45.400 was like a waterfall with the gates of heaven wide open. Okay, what 365 00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:54.079 is that? What is like a waterfall with the gates of heaven wide open? 366 00:36:55.280 --> 00:37:00.800 You know, I'm trying to imagine to leave a contract again. And 367 00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:05.960 it looked like it came out of something I don't know. Yeah, that 368 00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:08.320 gates of heaven. Why you know, you could see a waterfall, its 369 00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:13.880 smoke, something like that. But with the gates of heaven wide open? 370 00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:17.760 What on earth was he see? And again he's trying his best, but 371 00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:24.719 again the booming. This time he's describing it as artillery. So something in 372 00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:30.239 sixteen o nine, that September day, over a six hour period, was 373 00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:39.400 happening over a wide swath of Korea. And certainly they were not making this 374 00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:44.800 up because they would have been killed if they were right. That's a good 375 00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:51.440 reason not to make things up. But you don't have any knowledge of aerial 376 00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:57.920 craft, of propulsion, of flight, of thrust, of exhaust. They're 377 00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:05.079 doing their best. Their washing basins with a white aura streaming behind, moving 378 00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:13.880 like an arrow, hovering, moving very fast. So they're using their plane 379 00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:19.480 everyday ordinary language to describe things to other people who may read it in their 380 00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:24.039 own plane ordinary everyday language us in the future. They're not thinking about what 381 00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:28.280 are they going to think of this in your two thousand and twenty three, 382 00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:31.320 you know, they're thinking what are they gonna you know when when they this 383 00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:37.119 another scribe looks at this, well, they understand what I'm what I'm describing. 384 00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:39.079 At best I can, Yeah, you know what I just thought of. 385 00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:46.159 As I have gone to some fabulous air shows, sometimes when jets really 386 00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:53.400 take off, they leave that swirling contrail you've probably picked. I wonder if 387 00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:59.719 that's what they're trying to do, this rolling like a fabric like I don't 388 00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:06.519 know. I'd love to hear from people their thoughts of what this could be, 389 00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:14.239 because I certainly can't explain it by any conventional sixteen o nine possibilities. 390 00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:20.719 And what I really appreciate about these accounts is we may not be able to 391 00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:24.000 recreate an accurate picture of what they've seen. You know, we can speculate, 392 00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:31.559 Yeah, but it doesn't change or undermine the authenticity of these descriptions. 393 00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:37.880 Like they're more compelling because of the way they're described. That these were things 394 00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:43.239 men saw and wrote down. They were compelled to write them down, and 395 00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:46.880 they described them the best they could. And again they had no reason to 396 00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:52.480 lie, every reason to tell the truth. Yeah, and look how many 397 00:39:52.559 --> 00:40:00.519 places we mentioned across what area they were all seeing similar things. Maybe it 398 00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:06.239 was multiple things, you know, a gored, a washbasin, the gates 399 00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:12.199 of heaven opening up. Boy. That it's just it's just remarkable. So 400 00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:19.920 you know when we talked about in the last episode when the CIA says or 401 00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:22.920 remember everything you saw in the fifties and sixties that was us. Yeah, 402 00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:31.400 I think we can eliminate the CIA and YouTube spy planes and government projects because 403 00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:40.599 there was nothing nothing flying around in Nuremberg in fifteen sixty one or Korea in 404 00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:46.880 sixteen o nine. So these sightings are extremely important to set the precedent. 405 00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:52.039 This is nothing new. That's a great you just made a great point. 406 00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:58.400 Actually, we are able to eliminate the known explanations that today would get in 407 00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:04.000 the way airplanes whether their balloons whatever, and they weren't there. There was 408 00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:08.000 no possibility, not even a slight possibility, right right, which is great 409 00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:15.079 for the description because now it eliminates a whole class of common explanations, and 410 00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:17.920 sometimes they're legitimate. People do see odd things in the sky which turn out 411 00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:22.159 it is a weather balloon, or it is satellite, it is an airplane. 412 00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:27.559 But to rule, you know, that rule makes it so much more 413 00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:32.519 credible, these old reports that it didn't exist. So you know, they're 414 00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:40.039 gonna have to try harder to debunk these, Yes, mating insects and sundogs 415 00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:46.639 and mass hallucinations. There was one, you know, mass hallucinations by people 416 00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:53.599 who are not in contact with one another over vast distances. I don't think 417 00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:58.880 so. So yeah, I love these old ones. So again, I'd 418 00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:01.679 love to hear from people, well, you know, send us your wit 419 00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:08.039 and eyewitness accounts. I'd love to hear your interpretations, and I you know, 420 00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:13.400 we can mention them on the air if they're oh, absolutely crazy, 421 00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:17.480 I would. I would love for some of our audience who are artistic to 422 00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:23.079 maybe try to draw from their own what they're hearing those descriptions, What do 423 00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:28.800 they interpret that to be in their interpretation of that description. Yes, and 424 00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:35.559 they don't have to go to the length of making wood cuts would be okay, 425 00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:40.159 maybe a little pastel. So yeah, so there we have it. 426 00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:46.239 I love this stuff. Yes, all right, you're out there listening and 427 00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:51.960 your artistic get those descriptions, and we would love to see your work. 428 00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:54.280 We would definitely. We can't show it on the podcast, obviously, I'll 429 00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:59.199 put it on. Yeah. People seem to not know that I have books, 430 00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:04.760 and I have of a Facebook page called Hudson Valley UFOs, So feel 431 00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:08.079 free to go to Hudson Valley UFOs and you know, you can email me 432 00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:14.960 and I will post things, and yes I do have books. Just look 433 00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:19.599 me up on Amazon because I still get people. You know, there was 434 00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:23.039 a lot of sightings in the Hudson Valley in the eighties. You should look 435 00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:30.400 into that. Yeah, maybe I'll do that. I will give you a 436 00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:37.079 shameless plug. If anyone out there has not read at least one of your 437 00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:39.840 UFO books, let alone all of them, they don't know what they're missing. 438 00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:44.599 They need to, if anything, get the most recent one that came 439 00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:47.760 out, because that's sort of the compendium. I guess maybe the big volume, 440 00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:53.800 but get it. Read it. It is unlike any other book on 441 00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:58.280 the subject they'll ever pick up and we'll likely ever pick up. I'm telling 442 00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:01.360 you that not just become a good friend of yours. It's that well done 443 00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:07.039 that and I think that you hear that from a lot of different people in 444 00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:13.840 the field because you really do approach it from your own perspective. I try 445 00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:16.639 to thank you, and I do owe you a buffet for that, so 446 00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:27.079 I'm I'm gonna keep track of that. I have witnesses now, all right, 447 00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:30.719 Well, thank you everyone for joining us, and I guess I will 448 00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:36.800 unless you have something else bring us out. You have bo hud quarters on 449 00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:42.000 Hudson River Radio, and we will see you again next time. Keep your 450 00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:47.400 eyes to the sky, Hudson River Radio. Your dog likes us.