1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,200 And it hits me, Oh my gosh, this is that triangle. You 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:07,280 know, there's explanation for everything that occurred in the Randalchampars incident. It doesn't 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:12,199 involve aliens at all. It was completely silent. It comes right over our 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:17,160 heads. He's so classic Ni Sorcier, really standing in the cleary. He 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,839 turned over to my father and held his hand, and he looked in his 6 00:00:19,839 --> 00:00:27,800 eyes and said, we're not alone. Welcome to Podcast UFO for our live 7 00:00:27,879 --> 00:00:32,759 show. We're live every Wednesday at eight pm Eastern Standard Time on the Dark 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:39,320 Matter Radio Network. Please remember to visit the website podcastufo dot com for past 9 00:00:39,359 --> 00:00:44,240 episodes, blogs and forums. During the show, feel free to participate live 10 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,280 in our chat room, and don't forget to like us on our very active 11 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,560 Facebook page. Hello everyone, this is Martin willsher host. We have a 12 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:59,159 great show with our guest as the retired Captain Robert Sallas, who was there 13 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:06,680 in nineteen sixty seven during a UFO observation when several nuclear missiles shut down one 14 00:01:06,719 --> 00:01:11,519 by one. These were all independently controlled and not connected together. There was 15 00:01:11,599 --> 00:01:15,120 no answer that the military could come up with, and of course guess what 16 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,680 they tried to hide it. So we're going to be talking to him about 17 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:25,239 his testimony. Before that, we have Alejandro Rojas from Open Minds Radio and 18 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:30,200 he is going to be on talking about the latest UFO events. Well, 19 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,680 I'm really excited about this because we're at the year's end and we have a 20 00:01:33,719 --> 00:01:38,200 great contest for you out there. Get a pen and paper or if you 21 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,879 forget anything, I'm saying, it'll be in our show notes. How to 22 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:46,519 enter. You can win a brand new iPad Mini and I will send that 23 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,439 anywhere in the entire world. If it's off planet, it's going to be 24 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,280 some extra postage. I'll tell you that. Well, here's what you have 25 00:01:53,359 --> 00:01:59,719 to do. 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And that is about it, and we are ready 52 00:03:54,039 --> 00:03:59,400 to bring Alejandro on. How you doing, Alejandro? I am doing wonderful. 53 00:03:59,479 --> 00:04:01,199 How are you, my friend? I'm good. You know what? 54 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,719 Next week is? Christmas? Eve As, I'm sure you're very well aware. 55 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:10,960 Next week is Christmas. It is. Oh, oh my gosh, 56 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,960 I better start doing some shopping. Yeah, hey, it's never too late, 57 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,720 I say, because yeah, I'm one of those last minute ters myself. 58 00:04:19,079 --> 00:04:23,600 But you know what, I got a guest on the show. Can 59 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,519 you believe that? And I just pulled it on a couple of days ago. 60 00:04:26,759 --> 00:04:30,879 I told him that we didn't have any openings for six months. No, 61 00:04:30,959 --> 00:04:33,720 I didn't really, but anyway, he was kind enough. It's a 62 00:04:34,439 --> 00:04:39,279 Frank Fshino. I think it is how you say his name. I think 63 00:04:39,319 --> 00:04:46,079 it's Frank Freshino, like fresh oh fresh Fashino. I think Junior on the 64 00:04:46,079 --> 00:04:50,079 Flatwood Flatwood Monster. That's always been an intriguing case to me very much. 65 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:54,920 So yeah, so he'll be on. So I was excited about that because, 66 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,879 yeah, that'll be cool. I was gonna be all by my lonesome 67 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,759 next week, and I don't I don't like that. So I've had enough 68 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:08,000 technical difficulties lately where I realized that I'm not one of these people that can 69 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:12,680 carry on like Art Bell or someone who like for four hours by myself with 70 00:05:12,759 --> 00:05:19,399 no one talking talk about Christmas, and I like Sanna. I hope you 71 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:25,959 listeners like Sanna too. That was a pretty darn good invitation of how I'd 72 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:30,639 handle it. So what's a hey, I saw a thing on your Facebook 73 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,240 page that was pretty exciting. Do you want to talk you're talking about that? 74 00:05:33,319 --> 00:05:40,399 I'm assuming the Chili thing, Yeah, I am talking about that. 75 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:47,839 Number one on my list for UFO news this week is the Chilean government sanctioned 76 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:56,279 UFO organization cepha AH who is They went to France in October and they met 77 00:05:56,319 --> 00:06:02,600 with another government sanctioned UFO organization. There's not many, but France does have 78 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:10,560 one called Japon. Japon is under the cn S, which is France's version 79 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:15,639 of NASA, and Chile they work under the DGAC, which is kind of 80 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:21,160 their version of the FAA. But there's an organization called the three AF it 81 00:06:21,399 --> 00:06:29,560 out there in France and they're kind of an aeronautics and astronautics association, a 82 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:38,839 society, and they aid Francis Japan in the scientific study of UFOs. So 83 00:06:39,199 --> 00:06:44,000 Chile Chile CEPHA went out there to meet with them and they signed an agreement. 84 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:48,319 Well, now where three AF is now going to help Chile also with 85 00:06:48,399 --> 00:06:53,000 their investigation of UFOs. So I think this is really cool and really important. 86 00:06:53,399 --> 00:06:57,920 This three AF is an important organization. They would be most similar to 87 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,639 our American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics. And this is kind of a society 88 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,800 that, you know, everybody in this field, especially people who want to 89 00:07:05,879 --> 00:07:10,959 network and be known, you know, join the society where they talk about 90 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,720 all of these various things going on, sending things to space, building planes, 91 00:07:15,079 --> 00:07:19,480 all of this stuff. So it's a very important organization. It's one 92 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:26,360 of the four biggest in Europe of its kind, others being in Germany and 93 00:07:26,439 --> 00:07:30,160 the UK and so forth, so it's a really big deal. Now, 94 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:36,360 this three AF has a committee called the Sigma Group where they it's a commission 95 00:07:36,399 --> 00:07:41,920 they call it that investigates UFOs, and they've been investigating UFOs for a long 96 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,959 time. In fact, we wrote a story in twenty ten about a report 97 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:51,800 that they had released where they said they agreed with some other high ranking military 98 00:07:51,839 --> 00:07:57,360 officials and such that rote a report in nineteen ninety three called the famous Kameta 99 00:07:57,399 --> 00:08:01,879 Report that some of you are aware of, where these officials said UFOs are 100 00:08:01,959 --> 00:08:07,360 real and they're very possibly extraterrestrial in origins, and three AF said, we 101 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:13,160 agree with that. We evaluated a lot of cases and we agree that it's 102 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:18,480 a real phenomena of unknown origins and we can't roll out the extraterrestrial possibility. 103 00:08:18,879 --> 00:08:22,240 So it's really cool, really interesting. These are all very important people. 104 00:08:22,319 --> 00:08:28,439 We posted some pictures and everything. Leslie Kane is very close to Cepha. 105 00:08:28,839 --> 00:08:33,320 She covers their stuff a lot, so we have some quotes from her that 106 00:08:33,399 --> 00:08:41,320 she gave to Billy Cox of the Saratosa Herald Tribune. So really cool. 107 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,480 I think this is really important. I do too, And you know, 108 00:08:43,519 --> 00:08:48,159 I was going to ask you about Leslie because I know she's been really a 109 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:52,399 strong advocate to make something like this happen in more than one country, and 110 00:08:52,799 --> 00:08:56,840 you know, this could be the start of a domino effect of getting other 111 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:03,039 countries to take a really good look at the situation, I hope. So 112 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:09,840 there's been a sort of domino effect in South America where Uruguay created a UFO 113 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:16,559 organization, and then Chile and then Argentina and Peru. So there's several of 114 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,120 them down there, which is really cool. And these are government sanctioned UFO 115 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:26,879 organizations. Chile has kind of been on the forefront lately in creating these bridges 116 00:09:28,799 --> 00:09:33,519 with other organizations around the world. We actually had General Bermudez, who runs 117 00:09:33,519 --> 00:09:39,600 STEPHA, at the International UFO Congress a few years ago and he emphasized the 118 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:45,799 importance of reaching out to the international community and building these bonds, and they've 119 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:50,159 been doing that. You just mentioned the was it narcap with Richard Haynes am 120 00:09:50,159 --> 00:09:56,000 I thinking of the right, you got it? Yeah? Who is allergic 121 00:09:56,120 --> 00:10:00,639 to a word that is part of my show, which is the word UFO. 122 00:10:01,759 --> 00:10:03,519 Yeah, this is a big debate. You know, I have not 123 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:09,000 heard much from people, and I know I use the word UFO constantly. 124 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,279 If you don't use the word UFO, who's going to know what the heck 125 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:15,440 you're talking about? Are UAP? They're gonna look at you like U have 126 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,639 two heads or something. Yeah, So throughout this actual story, you know, 127 00:10:20,039 --> 00:10:24,039 in France they use the word PAN, which is kind of like phenomena 128 00:10:24,639 --> 00:10:30,120 anomalist, non identificado or something like that. I mean, it's it's this 129 00:10:30,159 --> 00:10:35,919 word PAN. There's also a AP aerial anomalist aerial phenomena. So there's a 130 00:10:35,919 --> 00:10:41,080 lot of you know, terms out there that are being used U A, 131 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:46,840 P P A N AAP, but really nobody knows what that means. And 132 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,200 if you were to tell someone, oh, yeah, I investigate the UAP 133 00:10:50,279 --> 00:10:52,960 s, they're gonna go, what's the UAP And you're gonna go a UFO. 134 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,759 Oh okay, now I know what you're talking about. So I know 135 00:10:56,799 --> 00:11:01,440 they're trying to get around the baggage of that comes with you, But I 136 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,799 don't know that that's the way to do it. At least when we're trying 137 00:11:03,799 --> 00:11:07,080 to do outreach to the public. They know what UFOs are. I think 138 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:11,960 we just have to demonstrate that UFOs are a credible phenomena, that there is 139 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,159 credible research out there, and we've got to change that kind of base idea 140 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,320 of UFOs. I agree, if they changed the let's just say, tomorrow 141 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,559 they changed the word to uap. Well, all of a sudden, there's 142 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,759 going to be uap hoaxes. There's exactly you know, the Little Green men 143 00:11:28,919 --> 00:11:31,440 and UAPs and you know all that stuff. So I agree with you one 144 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,759 hundred percent there, Yeah, it's just semantics. Well, and even Leslie 145 00:11:35,799 --> 00:11:39,960 Kane's book, because she struggles with this as well. She used in her 146 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:43,480 book the term UFOs and it was a national, you know, New York 147 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:48,679 Times bestseller. If she would have had UAPs, generals and officials go on 148 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,480 the record, nobody would have known what the book was about, and it 149 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,799 probably would have sold five or six copies, two copies probably, Yeah, 150 00:11:56,879 --> 00:12:01,120 I would have agreed, agreed, Still set, So what else is happening? 151 00:12:01,039 --> 00:12:03,559 All right, Well, I've got a Christmas story, but I'm gonna 152 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,559 save that towards the end. But what I want to just quickly go over 153 00:12:07,639 --> 00:12:11,519 are a couple of sightings that are out there in the media. There's some 154 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:18,080 sightings in medayin Columbia that have been getting a lot of attention. However, 155 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,960 they're not as exciting as they seem to be. It looks like one of 156 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:28,000 them is a balloon, the other one is it looks like a star balloon, 157 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:33,200 and we posted that and explained all of this. And what's interesting about 158 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,919 this is just a lot of people have reposted these original videos and gotten the 159 00:12:39,039 --> 00:12:41,840 facts wrong. So now in the media when they're talking about it, all 160 00:12:41,879 --> 00:12:48,360 the facts are kind of mixed up and jumbled. So I wrote a story 161 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,320 just to kind of clear up what are the base facts so people know, 162 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,440 you know what is real and what is not. But that's one that's going 163 00:12:54,519 --> 00:13:01,879 on. More interesting is a sighting in Leicestershire in the UK hey, where 164 00:13:01,919 --> 00:13:05,480 there are these four kind of streaks going by in the air. At first, 165 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,159 it was kind of assumed that they were part of the Geminids meteor shower, 166 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:13,120 which was on the same day as the sighting. However, an astronomer 167 00:13:13,159 --> 00:13:16,960 has said he doesn't think that's the case. Instead, he thinks they're probably 168 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:22,039 military jets in formation and you're seeing their contrails, which might be the case, 169 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:26,879 but so far they haven't found any confirmation of this. But that's kind 170 00:13:26,919 --> 00:13:31,480 of an interesting picture in a sighting that's out there. But speaking of the 171 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,480 UK and bringing it back to the holidays, this is just kind of really 172 00:13:35,519 --> 00:13:41,120 interesting. The UK has been using UFO crashes in their school teaching. So 173 00:13:41,159 --> 00:13:46,240 a lot of these schools will stage UFO crash and local authorities will pretend they're 174 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:50,799 part of they're investigating this and the kids need to come out and investigate, 175 00:13:50,919 --> 00:13:54,960 do some science around it, and do some writing. But the UK has 176 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:03,720 also been incorporating aliens into their Nativity plays. So it's time for you know, 177 00:14:03,799 --> 00:14:09,600 the holiday school plays, and it's more likely that not that if you 178 00:14:09,799 --> 00:14:13,080 are in the UK and you're going to go to a holiday play, that 179 00:14:13,159 --> 00:14:16,840 there's going to be aliens incorporated in that play. And I think that's really 180 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:22,320 interesting and weird. Parents, there was a survey, are not so excited 181 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:26,120 about this, But teachers argue, well, you're not the ones we're trying 182 00:14:26,159 --> 00:14:28,440 to excite. We're trying to excite the students. And they say that the 183 00:14:28,519 --> 00:14:35,200 students really respond to adding some aliens to the nativity place. It's probably just 184 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:39,399 making it more interesting. And you know, it's all about things that we 185 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,360 really don't know about when it comes to you know, I mean, they're 186 00:14:43,399 --> 00:14:48,919 just stories handed down over the years, you know, the Nativity scenes and 187 00:14:48,919 --> 00:14:52,840 all that, So why not add an alien or two as long as they're 188 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:58,200 not green. Well, they're green. They're green, sorry, Betty ways 189 00:14:58,559 --> 00:15:03,120 ornaments on them, like no Christmas ornaments on them. But they're green with 190 00:15:03,279 --> 00:15:07,240 antennas and big eyeballs and stuff like that. They're actually coming in a variety. 191 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,399 Some of them look a silvery aluminum kind of type. But I've got 192 00:15:11,399 --> 00:15:16,039 some pictures of the various types of aliens in the story. But sadly, 193 00:15:16,159 --> 00:15:20,480 I think this story, I think it's important sociologically that you know, the 194 00:15:20,639 --> 00:15:26,960 whole idea of aliens. It's almost becoming a foregone conclusion being integrated into schools 195 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,960 that you know, there are surveys out there that show students or children are 196 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:35,360 more likely. Younger people are more likely to believe in this sort of stuff, 197 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,519 which just means that the whole idea of aliens, I think, is 198 00:15:37,559 --> 00:15:41,200 going to get more and more popular. Well, we're linked to it in 199 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,919 the show notes, so I think you when to read that story. You 200 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,480 can check it out there. I don't have anything just to let you know, 201 00:15:48,519 --> 00:15:52,440 and don't have anything against green aliens, whatever color they are, They're 202 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,759 just fine with me. If they need to be green, it's okay. 203 00:15:56,120 --> 00:16:02,279 So hey, speaking of things getting a little twisted, like your balloon stories. 204 00:16:03,039 --> 00:16:07,120 Last week you had a story about the Italian astronaut up there on the 205 00:16:07,279 --> 00:16:12,840 International Space Station, right, and sure enough there's been stories out there. 206 00:16:12,919 --> 00:16:17,679 Yeah it's a UFO. She's a UFO. So just like you said that 207 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:22,679 would probably happen, it happened. That's yep. I know how these things 208 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:27,200 go, and that's why I try to clear these things up early on. 209 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:33,120 But and it's kind of cool because some people will repost, like the Phoenix 210 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:37,039 I hoaxing that went out around a couple of weeks ago. Link Attai and 211 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,159 others are still out there saying, no, this one's been bested, check 212 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,720 this story out. But what do you do? Huh? It sure is 213 00:16:42,759 --> 00:16:45,960 getting around that one too. You're right. Hey, well you have yourself 214 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,960 a fine day, and thanks so much for the news today, you too, 215 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,559 We'll see you, so hang in there for the music break. We'll 216 00:16:53,600 --> 00:18:10,880 be right back with Robert Sallas to Hello, Hello, Robert, how are 217 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,160 you? Yeah? I'm doing fun? Is this Martin? It is? 218 00:18:14,319 --> 00:18:19,400 Yes, Welcome to Podcast UFO and to the Dark Matter Radio Network, and 219 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,240 this is your second time on. But now it's all about you, this 220 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:30,799 time all about me. Yes, so right, Robert you're you're out in 221 00:18:30,839 --> 00:18:37,440 California, is that right? Yes? Yeah, OHI California, Oh yeah, 222 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,160 and also pretty warm these days compared to back here on the East Coast. 223 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,680 If you could, can you for the listener out there that is not 224 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:52,400 familiar with your case, if you could just go over that. It's one 225 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,680 of the most fascinating things as far as I'm concerned, how these missiles all 226 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:07,279 shut down and you are basically would you consider yourself a whistleblower? Well, 227 00:19:07,519 --> 00:19:11,839 I don't know. I guess some people could call me that. I'm mist 228 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:18,160 interested in revealing the truth. I feel it's my responsibility to do so since 229 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:22,720 I was there, I was a witness, and this is something I consider 230 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:29,880 of great importance to everybody. I do too. And I'm not just to 231 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,960 let you know that I'm not using that term whistleblower as a bad thing. 232 00:19:34,079 --> 00:19:38,799 Okay, you know, I'm glad you came forward, and I'm glad a 233 00:19:38,799 --> 00:19:41,200 lot of you know that's you know, I could go into a little bit 234 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:47,440 of politics, but I'm not going to. But more whistleblowers now are since 235 00:19:47,799 --> 00:19:52,119 the latest president is, and more whistleblowers they are convicted when he said, 236 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:56,400 you know, they would have protection. So it's even tougher world for people 237 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:00,480 to come forward than it was when you came forward with this. But if 238 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,480 you can go all the way back to nineteen sixty seven and you were right 239 00:20:04,519 --> 00:20:10,720 there, can you just describe what exactly happened? Sure? I was stationed 240 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:17,079 at Malmstrom Air Force Base, which is Great Falls, Montana is where the 241 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:22,880 base is located, but we had missile sites dotted throughout the state of Montana. 242 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,960 On March twenty fourth, nineteen sixty seven, I was on duty along 243 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:33,039 with my commander at a place called Oscar Flight. We were about one hundred 244 00:20:33,039 --> 00:20:37,839 miles east of Great Falls, near a little town called Roy, Montana. 245 00:20:38,839 --> 00:20:47,359 And this evening I get I'm on alert status. My commanders taking a little 246 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:51,160 rest break a little cock we had down there because one of us had to 247 00:20:51,240 --> 00:21:00,400 be awake at all times. We had about six guards upstairs. And time 248 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,839 in the evening hours, the main guard calls down and says they've been seeing 249 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:11,039 strange lights in the sky, flying very fast, making ninety degree turns, 250 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:15,640 that sort of thing, you know, typical, and they couldn't explain what 251 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,440 they were. They said they were very fast moving lights. They were under 252 00:21:19,519 --> 00:21:23,960 some kind of control, and they were not aircraft that they knew of. 253 00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:32,599 I wasn't really interested in the subject the UFOs at that time, even though 254 00:21:32,599 --> 00:21:37,680 we'd had some reports in the local newspaper, the Great False Tribune, of 255 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,920 people reporting lights, but I kind of dismissed it. And then five minutes 256 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,839 later he calls back, and this time he's screaming into the phone. He's 257 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:53,599 obviously frightened. He's got all the guards out there with their weapons out and 258 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:59,559 he said, Sir, we're looking at the front gate area and there's this 259 00:22:00,079 --> 00:22:11,039 glowing red object. It's just basically a large reddish orange light pulsating and it's 260 00:22:11,079 --> 00:22:15,599 just hovering there right above the front gate. He was scared to death. 261 00:22:15,599 --> 00:22:18,039 Why don't you tell him what to do next? And so, you know, 262 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:22,160 basically I told them anything inside the front gate. I was a little 263 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:26,440 shocked. I didn't know exactly what was going on, but it seemed like 264 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:32,599 we were under some sort of an attack or someone was trying to get in 265 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:40,960 our facility, which of course was highly sensitive. So I hung up the 266 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,039 phone, went to tell my commander about these phone calls, and all of 267 00:22:44,079 --> 00:22:48,279 a sudden, the missiles started shutting down. We went from a green status 268 00:22:48,319 --> 00:22:55,279 to a red no go status, meaning the missiles could not be launched, 269 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,799 and so we got a lot of bells and whistles going off. We also 270 00:23:00,839 --> 00:23:07,559 had a couple of security lights, meaning we had possibility of incursion at the 271 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:12,559 launch facilities where the missiles were actually located. So I called back up. 272 00:23:14,319 --> 00:23:21,240 My commander went called the command post. I called back up and ordered that 273 00:23:21,279 --> 00:23:26,240 they send guard teams out to to the sites. And of course by then 274 00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:34,880 the UFO had had left, but so they sent uh two guards out to 275 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:41,240 two of the sites and they reported back that again they saw UFOs or lights 276 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:52,319 hovering above the launch facilities where they where we had these indications. So after 277 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,119 that call on, my commander turns to me and says, the same thing 278 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,319 happened in another flight at that time. I thought he meant that night, 279 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:04,640 but later on I realized it was a week earlier. That was the Echo 280 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:15,000 Flight incident. Echo Flight was another area or facility similar to mine. Again, 281 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,440 ten missiles were under their control, and all ten missiles went down when 282 00:24:19,559 --> 00:24:25,759 UFOs were reported by security guards and maintenance people that they had on the sites 283 00:24:26,279 --> 00:24:30,480 they were actually doing maintenance at the time. All ten of theirs shutdown. 284 00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:36,119 So that happened about eight days earlier. Within the span of eight days, 285 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:41,839 we lost twenty nuclear missiles to UFOs. And I've got this well documented, 286 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,359 you know, reading a little bit about it here and there, and you 287 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:53,960 know there was a serious investigation. We'll go into that. But when these 288 00:24:55,000 --> 00:25:03,200 things are all independently controlled, there's really hard. It's really hard for someone 289 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,480 that's going to try to debunk the whole situation to come up with an easy 290 00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:11,720 answer for that. I've heard someone tried to explain it maybe had something to 291 00:25:11,759 --> 00:25:15,759 do with air conditioning or something. I can't remember exactly what it was. 292 00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:19,599 What are some of the things you've heard about people trying to knock this thing 293 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,880 down. YEA. When I was on the Larry King Show, I think 294 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:30,920 this was well some years back, I don't even remember now. They had 295 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:37,039 Bill Nye, the science guy. Yeah, and he claimed he saw he 296 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,960 had a little report with him that said that the chiller unit we had, 297 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:47,519 you know, the equipment we had in the capsule there was air cool It 298 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:52,039 had to be cool because we were actually using at that time in nineteen sixty 299 00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:56,240 seven, some of the equipment we had in there, we were using old 300 00:25:56,279 --> 00:26:00,920 fashioned radio tubes. If you can believe that. Uh, and so we 301 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:07,559 did have it was cool down there. We had air conditioned equipment. And 302 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:14,400 he claimed that this air chiller unit had failed. But that's not correct. 303 00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:22,480 We we didn't not lose power. We did not have an air chiller failure. 304 00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:30,039 And as a matter of fact, the Boeing company a complete investigation. 305 00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:38,519 They came back and and said that they could find no applausible reason for this 306 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:48,200 to happen. So I'll base I'll base it on on on their investigation. 307 00:26:48,279 --> 00:26:55,440 This was the Boeing had the major contract for support of the man one system, 308 00:26:55,480 --> 00:27:00,119 and I've been in touch with the team leader man By. They brought 309 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:06,039 Kavinski and I've got that information in my first book, Fade a Giant. 310 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:11,839 So no, it wasn't any any kind of a failure that you can even 311 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:17,680 imagine. Right we're on. If you're listening live with Robert Sallas, and 312 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,119 if you want to jump in our chat room and ask some questions, go 313 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:26,279 to podcastufo dot com real simple sign in and you can interact with guests and 314 00:27:26,319 --> 00:27:30,559 ask our guests, I mean interact with people on the message board and ask 315 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:37,240 ask our guests some questions. So Robert, how long did this take before 316 00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:41,039 it actually got out or did it get out right away like in local news 317 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:47,920 or something. No, No, this was classified incident. Okay. We 318 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,519 were relieved the next morning by another crew. The first thing I did is 319 00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:56,240 I went upstairs and talked to the main guard up there again, see if 320 00:27:56,279 --> 00:28:02,119 I can get more information on this. This was fantastic. It was highly 321 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:07,799 highly unusual. I was stationed there for three years as a crew commander deputy 322 00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:15,000 crew commander, and nothing even similar to that ever happened. We were we 323 00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:22,000 didn't lose one missile to you know, an unknown cause like this, much 324 00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:27,559 less ten at any rate, We were helicoptered back and we were ordered to 325 00:28:27,559 --> 00:28:32,200 go to our squad and commander's office, and in there was a member of 326 00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:36,920 AFOs I and my squading commander. I asked, this was some kind of 327 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,319 Air Force exercise, you know, I didn't know if the Air Force had 328 00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:51,400 somehow did something as a sort of readiness exercise. But he said absolutely not. 329 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:52,279 You know, he's as white as a sheet. He said, he 330 00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:57,799 didn't know what the hell happened. And then the guy from AFOs I showed 331 00:28:57,839 --> 00:29:02,880 this piece of paper in our face and said sign here, and what was 332 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,079 this? It was a nondisclosure statement. We were never ever to talk about 333 00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:11,319 it to anyone, not even people in the Air force or spouse was nobody, 334 00:29:12,279 --> 00:29:19,359 And so we signed, and we were and that was that. We 335 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:25,880 never even got debriefed on the failure mode or anything like that or the investigations 336 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,839 going on. I was there for another two years. Nobody ever talked to 337 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,960 me about it again. Wow, Now how long did it take for them 338 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:38,799 to get the missiles that were knocked out active again? About twenty four hours 339 00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:44,240 more or less. They had to send maintenance crews out to each missile separately, 340 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:51,640 and realignment had a specific alignment procedure where where the missile had to be 341 00:29:51,720 --> 00:30:00,880 oriented properly in order to accurately track on target. Yeah. Now, when 342 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,920 you were, say you were in this, I can't really understand exactly where 343 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:11,200 it is, but I'm guessing that you're below ground level somewhere. Yeah, 344 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:17,079 And so you get this call And how far away were you at that very 345 00:30:17,119 --> 00:30:22,920 time from the gate, you know, approximately? Oh, well, we 346 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,519 were sixty feet underground. In order to get upstairs, we would have to 347 00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:34,400 take an elevator and or you know, climb a steel ladder, but we 348 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,640 were not allowed to leave the capsule. We were locked in for twenty four 349 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:44,160 hours until we leave my crew because obviously if that had been some kind of 350 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:49,480 a terrorist attack, we would have, you know, had opened opened the 351 00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:56,759 huge door we had protecting the capsule, then you know, we would have 352 00:30:56,799 --> 00:31:03,440 been derelict because they could have had access to nuclear weapons. So we were 353 00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:07,160 ordered, I mean that was our order standing. Orders were not to leave 354 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,920 the capsule unless we were lead by another crew. All right, So I 355 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:17,799 never I never saw the object. This was simply reported to me. I 356 00:31:17,839 --> 00:31:19,200 beg, I wish you could have gone up just to take a look. 357 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,920 Yeah, well, yeah, I wish I had, but I couldn't. 358 00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:32,960 And from what I understand and talking to these guys later, they were extremely 359 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,279 frightened by the whole affair. Like that. Now, if someone was let's 360 00:31:37,319 --> 00:31:42,279 just say, on this planet, you know technology that we even have today, 361 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:48,160 and they wanted to take an aircraft, let's let's say, and go 362 00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:55,599 over a nuclear missile and disarm it somehow that there's nothing that we have, 363 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,559 as far as you know, is there that could disarm one? No, 364 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:07,000 not again, what this object did was send a specific signal through sixty feet 365 00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:14,039 of earth and concrete and then penetrate our triple shielded cables against EMI, penetrate 366 00:32:14,119 --> 00:32:17,079 those and send signals to each of the missiles separately, and not only that, 367 00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:23,160 but to a particular part of each missile. This was the logic coupler, 368 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:31,640 which connected the guidance system to the computers on the missile. So this 369 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:36,920 is a fantastic feat. Even the Air Force stated, and I've got this 370 00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:42,359 in one of the documents that we received, that this was highly improbable, 371 00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:49,039 highly improbable as the would they use. But no, there's nothing even today 372 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,839 that could do what that object did. I mean more or less. You 373 00:32:53,920 --> 00:33:00,000 could probably say that someone like you or someone that was involved in the technical 374 00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:06,519 part of these things could understand how it happens, but they couldn't understand how 375 00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:15,240 it actually occurred. Right, So did they when they were doing their investigation, 376 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:21,359 did they try to come up with answers or did they just just want 377 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,960 to cover the whole thing up and just move on. Yeah, it's interesting. 378 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:31,720 There were two investigations actually ongoing. One was done by Boeing, which 379 00:33:31,839 --> 00:33:37,200 was a little more open kind of investigation. The other one was done by 380 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:46,000 the Air Force. It was a classified investigation other and we don't have access 381 00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:52,480 to that report, but we do have We did have, like I said, 382 00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:58,799 access to the team leader of the Boeing team, and he wrote us 383 00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:02,839 a long letter stating, you know what they had looked at and could not 384 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:12,400 find any practical or viable cause for the incident, the two incidents, And 385 00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:15,800 later I heard from a friend of mine in the Air Force that the Air 386 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:22,159 Force was still investigating this in nineteen seventy two, So five years later they 387 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:30,400 were still trying to figure out what exactly had happened. So you know, 388 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:39,400 whether or not the Air Force ever concluded what exactly happened and how it happened, 389 00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:45,320 I don't know. It's probably still classifying right now. What was the 390 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:52,159 connection with the event that happened a week earlier. Did they conclude exactly the 391 00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:58,480 same thing or did a different thing type of situation shut those those warheads down? 392 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,079 Well, they had the same they had the same failure boat guidance and 393 00:35:02,159 --> 00:35:10,920 control system failure, But the documentation we got back had to do with their 394 00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:15,639 shutdown, the Echo flight shutdown. Let me just back up a little bit. 395 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:21,800 I remember I didn't talk about this even after I got out of the 396 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,920 Air Force. I resigned my commission in nineteen seventy one and I went to 397 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:35,119 work in aerospace, mostly in FAA for twenty two years. And then in 398 00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:38,440 nineteen ninety four, I happened to be in a bookstore picked up Above Top 399 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:44,920 Secret by Timothy Good. Happened to page turn to page three oh one of 400 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:52,960 that book and saw a short paragraph stating that in nineteen sixty seven, nowas 401 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:58,239 from Air Force Base UFO came over and shut down some missiles. That was 402 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,320 about it. That's all I read. But as a result of that, 403 00:36:01,519 --> 00:36:07,599 I thought, what maybe the Air Force declassify this incident, because how else 404 00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:16,599 would wind up in Timothy Good's book. So I took a chance and asked 405 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:22,400 a member of UFHON, an investigator at UFON, to submit a FOIER request 406 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:30,599 Free Information Act requests to the Air Force about this flight of missiles going down 407 00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:35,599 in nineteen sixty seven. I said, don't mention anything about UFOs, just 408 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,639 ask about let's see if we can get some documents on it. And sure 409 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:46,320 enough, the Air Force wrote back stated that this was still classified. However, 410 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,280 since it's been so long, they were going to go ahead and declassify 411 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:57,400 the incident and send US documents. So they started sending us what they had 412 00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:02,440 on the Echo flight shutdown. Now I thought this was my incident, so 413 00:37:02,519 --> 00:37:09,280 I started talking about it openly as a UFO event because I remember what happened, 414 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,880 basically what happened. It took time to remember some of the details, 415 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:21,760 but I thought that's where I was. It turns out I wasn't there. 416 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,760 I was at Oscar flight. I didn't find this out till a couple of 417 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,519 years later, when I finally got a hold of my commander, Fred Mywald, 418 00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:32,039 and he told me that no, we were not at a echo we 419 00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:39,719 were at an Oscar flight. So that's when I realized, you know, 420 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:45,280 I was open discussing this already. I'd been on a TV program. I 421 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:52,840 think I'd been on sightings by then, and so I just had to make 422 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:57,599 a decision. I just kept on talking about this. And it's been twenty 423 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:04,480 years now, over almost twenty years, and nobody has ever approached me about 424 00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:09,800 not talking about this. But technically I'm in violation of that non disclosure statement. 425 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,880 Well, you know, a lot of people have clammed up about that, 426 00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:20,920 and it's funny. I think I remember something about someone who came forward 427 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,079 on the Roswell case because of the same exact thing. They were at a 428 00:38:24,159 --> 00:38:29,519 store and saw it in print and said, oh, well, I guess 429 00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:31,960 that must mean it's declassified. Now I can talk about it, you know, 430 00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:37,599 yeah, which is pretty amazing. Now, going back to when this 431 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:45,039 red glowing object, did you ever get to speak to the actual person about 432 00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:47,360 that or did you have to just keep it quiet? The one who well, 433 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,880 briefly I spoke to him. When we got relieved that next morning by 434 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,800 another crew, I went upstairs. The first thing I did was talk to 435 00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:04,639 this guy. You know, he appeared to me as someone who didn't want 436 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,440 to talk about I think his superiors had already gotten to him and told him 437 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:14,559 to clam up and not say any more about this. But I was able 438 00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:17,559 to get out of him again. Basically asked him if there was a structure 439 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,840 in that light. He said there was a He could barely see the outline 440 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:30,639 of an oval shaped structure, but the light was very bright and it was 441 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:39,360 pulsating light about forty some forty to fifty feet. He said it was very 442 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:44,519 large, and it was kind of a rough estimate that it was about forty 443 00:39:44,559 --> 00:39:50,760 or fifty feet because again there was it was a glow basically a glowing reddish 444 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:55,559 orange light. But he did say that there was something inside the light, 445 00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:00,480 there was a structure there. Other than that, he said he was They 446 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:06,519 were all scared to death. Actually one of the guards did get injured, 447 00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:12,800 but I think he got injured he cut his hand trying to jump the fence, 448 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,559 if you would, because he was so frightened, and we had barbed 449 00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:22,320 wire of course at the top of the fence, and he had cut his 450 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,480 hand and he had to be sent back. A lot of these guys were 451 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:34,119 dispersed. I never saw them again again. This was there another two years. 452 00:40:34,199 --> 00:40:38,519 I never saw these guys again right away. They were just exactly were 453 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:45,440 they were shipped out to different bases. And the reason they do that is 454 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:51,480 because they don't want them, you know, comparing notes getting together and causing 455 00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:57,719 trouble. Also, if we can talk, you want to talk about this 456 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:05,360 now, the the ECON investigation was ongoing at this time, so that was 457 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:14,599 another reason for this this big secrecy that they imposed on us about that at 458 00:41:14,599 --> 00:41:17,559 the same time. Now, before we move on from that, did anyone 459 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:23,159 any one of the guards out there, like consider drawing a gun on this 460 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:29,079 thing, or you know, trying to defend the Actually, I recently got 461 00:41:29,079 --> 00:41:36,079 a report from an airman that was there, not at my facility exactly, 462 00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:42,880 but he was there at the time and he knew the guard that had gotten 463 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:51,840 his handcut and was he thinks that he actually fired his weapon at this object. 464 00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:59,280 Of course, no avail. There was no effect on him as far 465 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:04,760 as I know. Yeah. Now, there's another incident which I talked about 466 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:13,760 in my book. That's the Ellsworth nineteen seventy six incident. And in that 467 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:20,239 case, there were one hundred and eighty rounds fired at the object. Similar 468 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:27,199 to mine. It was it hovered over the facility and the guards just unloaded 469 00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:31,719 their weapons on it and about one hundred and eighty rounds and again to no 470 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:37,239 effect. Didn't impact it one way or the other. I think I'd be 471 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:43,519 more scared after if I fired something it then I'd be in doing anything else. 472 00:42:43,679 --> 00:42:46,480 I mean, you just automatically would think that this thing, would you 473 00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:50,960 know, just like you're seeing the movies, send out a laser or something 474 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,440 and just buy youre right where you are, you know, I mean, 475 00:42:53,679 --> 00:42:59,320 if it got here, it definitely has and it can actually disarm nuclear warheads. 476 00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:05,159 That's the last thing. That's that's another point. This object could have 477 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:10,239 damaged our equipment, and it did not. There was no damage per se. 478 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:15,039 All it did was send a signal to each of the missiles, upset 479 00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:21,840 the guidance system and disabled disarmed, not disarmed, but disable the missiles. 480 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:27,039 They could not be launched. You know, in a way, I think 481 00:43:27,199 --> 00:43:32,079 it also sent a signal to us. You know. That's I had Robert 482 00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:37,000 Hastings on before and we basically talked about this. I asked him what he 483 00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:42,800 thought this was and you know, do you feel the same way that this 484 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:49,239 is a message? Oh yeah? That was my my conclusion that this was 485 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:54,599 simply a message, and the messages get rid of your nuclear weapons. Because 486 00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:59,880 this has not happened, not just to Malmstrom, by the way, how 487 00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:07,840 at Malmstroam again in nineteen seventy five, but it's happened at many other bases 488 00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:13,360 where the UFO just flies over, maybe shines a beam of light on the 489 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:20,800 weapon storage area where nuclear weapons are held, and flies off. That's what 490 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:30,840 happened that at Bentwaters Base in England in nineteen eighty the UFO shown a beam 491 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:37,840 of light in the weapon storage area. It happened at Albano Air Base in 492 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,880 Italy in nineteen seventy nine. The UFO comes over, shines a beam of 493 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:46,840 light near the weapon storage area, flies off. It's happened many other times, 494 00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:53,800 and I think it's just they're just trying to basically shine a light on 495 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:59,360 our nuclear weapons. And I think the messages get rid of these things. 496 00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:07,239 So I go into a great deal in my new book Unidentified on the nuclear 497 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:16,880 issue, which is one of my main concerns, and that's nuclear weapons. 498 00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:20,639 We can go into that later, I guess. Yeah, we can go 499 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,719 back into your book in the second hour, which is coming up in only 500 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:32,519 fifteen minutes. You know, the one thing I can never understand, you 501 00:45:32,519 --> 00:45:36,679 know, like to say, let's just say they are trying to send us 502 00:45:36,679 --> 00:45:45,000 a message, and I can't imagine any other explanation for it, you know, 503 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:51,639 for myself, it just seems that is the most logical conclusion that I 504 00:45:51,679 --> 00:45:57,559 can think of. But you know, I wonder what it would actually take 505 00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,920 for us to take this whole thing seriously, Hey, we're getting a message 506 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:07,880 here, if you know, it just it doesn't seem like it connects to 507 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:13,280 the right people to actually make any changes. And you know, I mean, 508 00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:19,920 once these babies are built, it's so hard to reverse what we have 509 00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:23,039 going on here as far as being you know, equipped to kill each other. 510 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:29,760 You know, there was a little bit of disarmament that started. I 511 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:30,840 don't know where that is now. And as a matter of fact, it 512 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:36,800 seems to me that I read something recently that they're going to rebuild a bunch 513 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:44,320 of nuclear weapons to get them back in shape again. What is you know, 514 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,719 I know you you were the guy down there on the trigger. What 515 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:52,719 do you think about the arms race in general at this point in your life? 516 00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:58,960 Yeah, this is We're still in a very precarious situation with regarding nuclear 517 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:07,280 weapons. We have nine nuclear states now, including Pakistan, including India, 518 00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:15,280 including North Korea. It's clear that North North Korea has actually done nuclear testing 519 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:21,840 and they do have a nuclear weapon. There's still a lot of new weapons 520 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:28,159 grade material out there that has not been accounted for after this fall of the 521 00:47:28,199 --> 00:47:32,199 Soviet Union. There's still a lot of nuclear material out there that could be 522 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:39,000 used to build a dirty bomb, and you can bet that these terrorist organizations 523 00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:45,239 would are trying to get a hold of that material and actually build a dirty 524 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:53,679 bomb, because it could cause havoc in any major city. We did have 525 00:47:55,079 --> 00:48:01,719 a new Start treaty with Russia where the U in Russia we're going to reduce 526 00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:10,360 their nuclear stockpiles to fifteen hundred weapons active weapons, and we're going to exchange 527 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:15,960 in inspections and other inspectors. We're going to inspect our facilities to make sure 528 00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:22,159 that that happened. In fact, we did reduce the number of new nuclear 529 00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:24,960 weapons. I don't think we got down to fifteen hundred yet. We've probably 530 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:31,760 got something like two thousand or more, you know, in submarines and land 531 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:39,480 based like in missiles and possibly and also bombs for bombers, although we did 532 00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:47,000 eliminate that I think was the B one bomber capability for carrying nukes, but 533 00:48:47,039 --> 00:48:57,639 we still have the B two. But since the crisis in Ukraine with Russia, 534 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,920 that's all up in the air now. I certainly don't know what the 535 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:07,800 current status is was with regard to the inspection program. But the other critical 536 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:12,599 issue, of course, is just trying to get an agreement with Iran, 537 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,320 which hope, hopefully we'll come to a head here within the next couple of 538 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:22,880 months. But it's still a very dangerous world out there with regard to nukes, 539 00:49:23,679 --> 00:49:30,880 and we still have to focus on reducing the number of nuclear weapons we 540 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:37,920 have worldwide. I sure would like that myself. And you know what about 541 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:45,480 what about nuclear power plants? That's something I can't remember I've spoke to Robert 542 00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:47,960 Hastings about that or not. Has there been any tampering? I mean, 543 00:49:49,079 --> 00:49:52,440 is it, is there anything? Because you know, those are those are 544 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:57,840 actually pretty dangerous too. And not only that, something they never ever talk 545 00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,639 about when it comes to nuclear power plants is the waste. And the waste 546 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:07,199 is the most you know, the worst part of the whole thing, because 547 00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:12,039 we are putting the burden on people two hundred thousand years from now that you 548 00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:14,880 know, are going to be born and have to worry about the waste. 549 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:20,800 It's still going to be active as far as you know. Has anyone tampered 550 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:27,840 with nuclear power plants? Well, there have been UFO sightings over nuclear power 551 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:35,679 plants. One of these, one of the stories I've got in my book, 552 00:50:36,639 --> 00:50:40,039 goes back to nineteen forty five, even before the first nuclear bomb was 553 00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:47,480 exploded. UFOs were seen over the Hanford Nuclear Facility near Hanford, Washington, 554 00:50:47,639 --> 00:50:55,679 which was produced in plutonium were the first nuclear bombs, and it was chased 555 00:50:55,719 --> 00:51:00,960 by Chase planes and that happened a couple of times. That was in nineteen 556 00:51:01,039 --> 00:51:08,920 forty five, UFOs were seen over Chernobyl. There was actually an article improv 557 00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:16,480 of the Russian newspaper people witnessing UFOs flying over Chernobyl both before and after the 558 00:51:16,519 --> 00:51:25,320 milkdown there at Chernobyl. So yeah, yeah, that's this is they know 559 00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:35,599 about our nuclear power efforts. And again this is highly highly dangerous as we 560 00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:42,400 know from the Fukushima disaster, which still isn't over yet. No, it's 561 00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:49,800 still in a disaster. They don't know the entire impact of that yet and 562 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,639 it's still not out of the woods as far as being safe. And no, 563 00:51:52,840 --> 00:52:00,880 you know that's right. So as far as weapons are concerned, do 564 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:07,320 you know of any other type of weapons that anything has you know, report 565 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:16,639 anyone has reported that has been disarmed as well besides nuclear? I'm not sure 566 00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:22,360 what you mean, Okay, Sure, what I mean is say a non 567 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:30,320 nuclear weapon of mass destruction, if they're you know, like a missile or 568 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:37,000 something. I now, I know there was that one down by in California 569 00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:40,159 where they sent up a dummy, and you know it was hit by a 570 00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:46,679 laser. But as far as you know, is there any other incident similar 571 00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:54,400 to that when it's not a nuclear ward But I know during the missile testing 572 00:52:55,719 --> 00:53:00,519 that they did in the San Dieo Sandia Range, Mexico, there were UFO 573 00:53:00,679 --> 00:53:09,239 sidings there, And of course these didn't have nuclear warheads, but of course 574 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:14,840 they were. They were some of them were probably going to be, uh, 575 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:20,119 you know, designed for carrying nuclear weapons. But yeah, there were. 576 00:53:20,159 --> 00:53:22,599 This was in the I believe it was in the fifties. Uh, 577 00:53:22,679 --> 00:53:28,960 there were many reports of UFOs being seen in the test range where these missiles 578 00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:34,280 were being tested. Yeah, now I spoke with them. I've said this 579 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,920 on a couple of shows, and I don't really want to be redundant, 580 00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,280 but I did speak with someone many years ago that said they were involved in 581 00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:46,519 a special part of the Air Force in the early seventies, late sixties that 582 00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:51,880 investigated UFOs. He didn't say Project Bluebook or anything like that, but he 583 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:57,360 just said that he was actually in Vietnam investigating UFO sightings. I thought that 584 00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:02,800 was pretty interesting. Oh yeah, there's definitely been soundings in Vietnam. Matter 585 00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,719 of fact, I think General Brown. I believe his name was actually confirmed 586 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:15,719 to some of the troops over there. There were indeed UFO sutnings over Vietnam. 587 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:22,280 And then I've gotten reports from veterans who had served in Vietnam and actually 588 00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:28,280 reported to me that they had seen them. Also, another story of my 589 00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:36,280 book is a story by Mark Cock who was a squadron platoon leader, a 590 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:45,079 sergeant I'm sorry, platoon sergeant and his platoon saw very large, triangular shaped 591 00:54:45,199 --> 00:54:52,519 UFO over a little town called mccossip, which is south of Baghdad Airport. 592 00:54:52,719 --> 00:55:00,559 And this was in two thousand and six. So UFOs have been observed, 593 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:05,880 you know, in our theaters of war, let's say. So they're not 594 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:10,239 only they are of course interested in you know, these are sentient beings, 595 00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:16,719 I believe. In other words, they're intelligent beings that are watching our progress 596 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:25,679 and to see how how we are coping with with ourselves basically were and so 597 00:55:25,679 --> 00:55:31,800 they're watching our wars, they're watching the kinds of weapons we're developing, so 598 00:55:32,639 --> 00:55:36,519 I think, and they've been doing this for some time. I think probably 599 00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:43,159 thousands of years they've been observing us. I tend to agree with everything you 600 00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:49,000 just said there and the final part of this same gentleman I was speaking about 601 00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:54,960 earlier, talking about Vietnam, he also said, you know, I said, 602 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,159 well, what does a government you know, I think they are, 603 00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,920 That's what I asked him, and he said, we're more or less a 604 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:08,519 Petri dish. I thought that was a very interesting statement, and that kind 605 00:56:08,519 --> 00:56:14,599 of goes along with what you're saying here. So yeah, go ahead, 606 00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,920 Yeah, So here you are. We got four about three and a half 607 00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:22,840 minutes to the top of the hour. So here you are. You are 608 00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:30,280 a young a young officer, you're working there in your life totally changes in 609 00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:37,400 just one instant. Did you kind of just suppress the thoughts and the feelings 610 00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:42,320 of the whole situation and just kind of put it in the back of your 611 00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:47,679 mind until that day when you saw Timothy Goods book. Well, initially, 612 00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:52,559 of course, after I was ordered not to talk about it, I was 613 00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:57,599 confused. I was a little upset. This was a very significant event. 614 00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:01,119 You know. We were a professional, well try to be professional about our 615 00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:07,960 jobs, and our job was basically to maintain nuclear weapons and have them ready, 616 00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:12,880 and here we have a situation where these weapons were disarmed, disabled rather 617 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,159 and we didn't know why and by the way, we would be briefed every 618 00:57:17,199 --> 00:57:21,800 time we went out on alert status as to any problems in the field, 619 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:27,039 any difficulties with the equipment, et cetera. But we were never, you 620 00:57:27,079 --> 00:57:31,760 know, the next two years debriefed about that. So I was very curious, 621 00:57:32,039 --> 00:57:39,320 let's say initially, but hanging over me was this non disclosure statement. 622 00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:46,800 So gradually and ultimately I basically tried to put this way back in the back 623 00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:51,639 of my mind because I didn't want to be talking about this in some bar 624 00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:59,880 and then, you know, be prosecuted for disclosing classified information. So yeah, 625 00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:05,400 by nineteen ninety four, I really hadn't thought about as much at all. 626 00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,960 However, it never never left my memory. The basic incident never left 627 00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:16,599 and so yeah, I was kind of interested in the UFO question after that, 628 00:58:17,519 --> 00:58:22,679 and that's how I wound up picking up Timothy Goods book up in nineteen 629 00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:29,039 ninety four. And when you said that you contacted Muffon and how did it 630 00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:37,199 snowball to you actually being interviewed on television? What made that happen? Well, 631 00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:44,320 basically I started talking after we received documents from the Air Force saying that 632 00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:50,400 the Echo flight incident had been declassified, and I was convinced that that was 633 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,599 my incident, because you know, the memories that I did have at that 634 00:58:53,760 --> 00:59:01,000 time kind of fit in with the facts of the Echo flight shutdown. I 635 00:59:01,079 --> 00:59:08,039 went public. I think I can't remember now which programs I went on. 636 00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:15,079 I started giving newspaper interviews. I actually went back to Malmstrom and gave an 637 00:59:15,079 --> 00:59:22,119 interview to the Great Falls Tribune and they actually published it front page. I've 638 00:59:22,119 --> 00:59:28,440 still got a copy of that. So yeah, I felt that I should 639 00:59:28,519 --> 00:59:32,360 talk about this as a UFO event. The Air Force and the documents they 640 00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:38,199 sent us never claimed that there were any UFO and any UFO was involved in 641 00:59:38,199 --> 00:59:43,000 this, but I knew better, and that's when I started going public. 642 00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:47,079 Now, one last question for this part of the show, and that is 643 00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:52,719 did you ever meet Tim Good and did you ever talk to him about it 644 00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,639 where he got his information? Yes? I did meet Tim Good and we 645 00:59:55,679 --> 01:00:01,719 finally figured out where we got the information. And I could go into that 646 01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,840 if you have time now, or I can wait. Yeah, yeah, 647 01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,440 let's let's finish this up so we don't get the first hour people unhappy like 648 01:00:09,719 --> 01:00:15,280 last week. So okay, all right. One of the people that was 649 01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:22,800 working at Sylvania at the time of the shutdowns was a man by the name 650 01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:30,239 of Ray Fowler, and you may recognize that name, but yes, Fowler 651 01:00:30,719 --> 01:00:37,039 had a crew at Malstrom on the electrical systems, and those people told Fowler 652 01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:44,119 that of these shutdowns and that they were UFO events. In fact, one 653 01:00:44,159 --> 01:00:52,280 of his crewmen actually saw the UFO. So when when the con investigation started, 654 01:00:52,400 --> 01:01:00,800 Fowler contacted the Condon committee and told them this. And actually the investigator 655 01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:05,679 of the head investigator for Connor men by the name Roy Craig, and we 656 01:01:05,719 --> 01:01:14,079 can talk about this more, talked to Conan, got some details Condon. 657 01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:22,599 I'm sorry Ray Conen went ahead and whitewashed this whole thing. And Ray Fowler 658 01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:29,519 was so upset with that that he decided to give the Christian Science Monitor an 659 01:01:29,519 --> 01:01:36,800 interview about the incident. And in nineteen seventy three he actually gave an interview 660 01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:45,480 the Christian Science Spawner about the missile shutdowns and Malstrom and they published it even 661 01:01:45,519 --> 01:01:52,519 though Foller was taking a big risk with his job. But that is how 662 01:01:52,639 --> 01:01:59,320 Timothy Good found out about the Echo flight shutdown and published that part of it 663 01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:04,280 in his book. It was published in the Christian Science Monitor in nineteen seventy 664 01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:07,840 three. How about that. Well, that's it for the show today. 665 01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:13,679 Remember you can listen to the second hour of the show by becoming a subscriber 666 01:02:14,159 --> 01:02:17,719 for as low as one dollar per month. All that information is on our 667 01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:23,679 website, podcastufo dot com. Get Joyride is the service, and I got 668 01:02:23,719 --> 01:02:28,480 an email from someone this week that said they love the show, but based 669 01:02:28,719 --> 01:02:31,840 on principle that I am charging for the second half, they will never come 670 01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:37,320 back. So I understand this way of thinking. 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