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What is crack lacing fellows thermonuclear efforts. I am Danpa Valley coming at you

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with the hashtag return of the Certified
Fantabulous Thermonuclear AF co host mister Grant Hughes

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is back from a vacation and then
a major sickness, had a lot going

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on. Not only you're getting a
weekend pod, but you're getting the return

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of Grant and it's our mega Western
Conference Trade deadline preview. Go check out

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the Eastern Conference. Some of it's
expired a little bit because I think it

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was pre Siakam trade. But we're
gonna go through every team and we claim

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to spend about five or six minutes
per team. We'll see if we actually

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adhere to it this time. Before
we get started, though, Grant,

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how the heck are you doing?
Are you feeling okay? I'm doing well

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since since we last talked. Actually, yeah, I guess I was on

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with with Keith but went to Disneyland. Yeah, Like, I haven't talked

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to you in forever, and you
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so you actually weren't. But if
you were heading time in podcasts produced,

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it's been forever because you just your
ability to crank out like two more in

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the interim is impressive. Uh No, went to Disneyland, came back,

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got sick, probably Disneyland's fault,
so could couldn't record this last night.

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But here we are ready to go. The sources want to know how many

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charros did you have while you were
there? Oh? I probably oversold it,

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but I mean for me, it
was the most churos I'd had in

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any condensed period of time probably ever, which is to say I think I

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had, Like is going to be
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I think I probably had like five
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lot of churros for me. They
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it's a lot because they only sell
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like you got did you get to
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did this work? Occasians actively choose
to go buy a churro because then that's

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respect what you made me recall that
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count to reflect it. Is there
these special like I didn't know they existed,

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you know, very dressed up like
dessert, not that, of course,

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churros are dessert. Anyway, but
like there's like, this is the

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strawberry cheesecake churo. Would you like
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too bad because they come in twos. And so you get this like little

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you know, like one of those
paper rectangular cup thingies, and there's two

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churros in there, side by side, just drizzled in like every sweet thing

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you could imagine. They're already like
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delicious stuff. But they have credible
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So you got to try the Oreo
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else there was like lemon meringue,
and then some chocolate something so had.

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Those were two apiece, and so
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So I would say over three days, I need to update my I'm sharing

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these with the family. By the
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maybe eight. I have nothing but
the utmost respect for you, sir,

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nice That means a lot. Okay, let's begin this trade primer. Uh,

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we'll begin with the Dallas Mavericks.
We're going in alphabetically, so this

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is dangerous. I think we might
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but we'll go alphabetically for this time. Cross your fingers that this doesn't

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get too dated before it comes out, because there's been more transactions during this

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window than normal. Uh. Dallas
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want to start with them? Uh? Just general thoughts, like they're they're

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pretty clearly buyers. I know we
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with Keith, and it's just kind
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main question for them is like do
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Because I think you're the first one
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up to three first if you wait
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trade one essentially now because you've got
the Knicks obligation and that and that Brooklyn

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obligation. So your buyers you should
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know, a two way wing er. You know, I've always thought kind

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of maybe might need a third shot
creator just you know, that's been kind

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of a preseason storyline. Not as
urgent as you know, Guys that will

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frighten a playoff defense more than Derrek
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more than any of the other guys
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show you how how long we've put
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needs. I because I put these
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you know, like a except we
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like they might need a three weeks
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Derek. I'm looking right here,
I said, might need a closing,

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a closing big, assuming that's not
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credit, I said, Cleeve is
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injured. Was not that guy?
Right? So yeah, that's you know,

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I don't know. Uh, Dorian
Phinney Smith is someone I just like

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makes sense bring him back, even
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was there, just someone someone in
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targets U the second here, But
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there is there another like over overarching
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I'm kind of if you want sort
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because you don't trust Grant Williams and
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uh, like a backup big I
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these guys are all over the place. I think they're mostly fine though,

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between Kliba and Grant Williams and Derek
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I'm skewing more towards I want a
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mentioned it. It's we've seen Derek
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is still shooting the three ball well
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who also kind of has some size
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perhaps at the point. Although Dante
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he's really he got thicker, So
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it needs to be a three to
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more targets, but I want to
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to be they can make it work
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have Josh Green, even though it's
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tax to take him poison pills.
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if it's a matter of if you
gave up your what can they trade the

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twenty twenty seven pick right now,
I believe right because they have twenty twenty

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nine to Brooklyn and then there's twenty
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If you could trade that now in
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would you do it? Or would
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we can trade three first round picks
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comes down to do you think you
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over the offseason? Yeah, that's
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the contract we don't love, but
he is the type of player they need.

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If you get him for your one
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sure that anything better was going to
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might that might just be the right
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who? Like I'm trying to think
of the name that isn't certainly isn't available

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now and that might be in the
summer that Dallas could also win a trade

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bidding war for with three big one
is yes, okay, there are three

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picks a swap? Is Josh Green
in there? Olivia Macent's prosper whatever?

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What if McHale bridges or lowry marketing
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best offer. No, they won't. And that's the case for a lot

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of the Lakers are in this bunch
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if they wait till this summer and
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though, where a player might be, well I want to go to the

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Lakers and they have the threat of
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that I mean, yeah, you
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whatever. But yeah, I think
increasingly I think the move is now if

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you could do that and make Jeremy
Grant, you know that you're big.

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You're kind of your last swing really
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you can go get for your assets, because that's that's a third big salary

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there. But that is the player
type you'd want. That's you know,

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we're talking about Finney Smith and Royce
O'Neill and you know, I don't know

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who else you might want to toss
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those guys. So I think if
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our big three salaries, Luca,
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we have enough support around them,
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don't. I just I don't know. It's almost disheartening to kind of start

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thinking about the summer in those terms
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don't know if there's any there's it
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Well, I think there's something always
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always have to fad that. I
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I would not do it for Kyle
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rather wait. If I at the
option on the table now, though,

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is there better bet? Like,
is there a way for them to kind

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of keep their first round equity and
actually address some needs and I'll throw I

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think I have three names here where
it's like Jayshawn Tate, Bruce Brown,

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and Jonathan Isaac. If you can
get those guys with I don't know if

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Bruce Brown would cost you what they
would actually call it, but if you

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can get those guys without giving up
your future first round pick so that you

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are then able to get better while
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Yeah, maybe that's the way to
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it, I just don't know.
What the Blazers would accept for him otherwise

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though I couldn't think of anyone else
where. It's well, like, no,

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you just do it. I'm probably
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here. Yeah, So to that
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over this today and thinking, like, like Tim Hardaway Junior, I think

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is having a great season. It's
scoring a ton, like is the type

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of player the Lakers need. Just
who's gonna get him up and like scare

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defenses from deep. Do you think
you could get RUI from the Lakers for

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a package with with Tim Hardaway in
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first. I don't know if I
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the Mavericks, I just want a
bigger there's your bigger forward though that like

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you know, proved he could play
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and I feel like Hardaway is just
not He's you know, he's having a

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great year, but like I don't
think he's giving them a ton of what

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they really like can't get from other
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the most bankable shooter once you trade, Yeah, I mean you'd have to

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hope for your well just having Luca
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you can get decent like production out
of guys getting wide open looks all the

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time. So like, I take
your You're right, though, like Hardaway

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is clearly the best shooter there.
I wonder if, like I don't know,

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do we trust Josh Green? Josh
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from you. I mean, he's
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but it's about a third volume.
So that's not I guess we don't believe

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in Dante xem It's something I believe
in him. Is Defense is aren't going

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to guard him in the play like
he's played well enough for long enough.

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Now hours, Okay, you have
to buy it. Like Derek Lively.

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We're sure that Derek Lavely is a
hell of a basketball player already, But

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Howard Defense is going to treat Dante
ExHAM on the when they're like yeah in

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the playoffs, excuse me? Yeah. It's it's so interesting, like when

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you try to think about that scenario
where it's like Dante Exam could he could

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win him a playoff game and hit
like eight threes? Right, go like

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eight of thirteen because they don't guard
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out, they're still not going to
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only is it unlikely he'll win him
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doing it four times. So that's
just like, how good of a it's

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so hard to change your reputation as
a shooter. We should get to Denver.

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That's too big of a topic.
What you're most likely player to be

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traded for this team? Hmm,
that's a good question, is it,

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Josh Green? I'm trying to like, can you can't get off Rashawn Holmes

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without paying right, Josh Green?
Seems like the kind of Alwa's poison pilled.

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That's a stupid answer. I don't
know who's yours. Let me keep

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looking while you think, will you
give me yours? H I had Rashawn

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Holmes anyway to where it's just like
hard to move him. You probably have

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to compensate at this point, But
it's can you look at it and say,

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is it Grant Williams at this point? Like that would be really awkward

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because you look at it and maybe
for salary matching purposes it should be Tim

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Hardaway junior. I just think he's
too important for you and so you're not

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dealing with any monster. I was
trying to look at expirings that that like

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you're not dealing with it, Like
Dwight Powell is going to be a maverick

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for life. So it's just,
you know, I feel like maybe it

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is Rayshawn Holmes when they try and
do it's sort of a let's say,

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if they got a Royce O'Neill or
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get Dorian Phinney Smith and get off
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like it would be that situation just
because Kleiba conceptually still has a ton of

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value to them. Yeah, he's
just been so bad offensively. But yeah,

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no, I think I think,
I don't. I don't know.

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There's not really a great answer here. Maybe Jaden Hardy because he gets used

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as like a sweetener or something for
it, the type of tea because then

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you can involve like bad teams and
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a prospect that might actually be a
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Do you think they end up finally
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for us. Do they still own
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the trade deadline? I will go. I'll say yes, because I don't

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think Portland's gonna move if they move
Jeremy Grant. It feels like there might

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even be an offer that the Mavericks
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think someone out there would do two
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I say yes, and I hope. I hope it's yes, because if

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if they do give it up,
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level, which we both have said, like, don't do that. If

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you can get them without like if
Josh Green and Omax like you can finagle

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it that way, then I considered
an upgrade. Defensively, do you want

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to take us to or maybe I'll
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Denver Nuggets they're they're a quick team. They if they trust that Peyton Watson,

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Reggie Jackson and Christian Brown are trustworthy
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backup big for them. And even
that is just Aaron Gordon's gonna play the

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five in the postseason and yo kids
are gonna play forty minutes a game,

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and so there's your forty eight minutes
of center play right there. It's a

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regular season innings thing. Now it's
just backup bigs. There's value in that

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getting an upgrade from DeAndre Jordan and
the ghost of Zeke Naji. The issue

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with them is they have fifteen guaranteed
contracts on the books, and when you're

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looking at players they can get rid
of, They're not just gonna get rid

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of any of the youngsters they gave
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Tyson or Julian Strother and then Locko
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Yokic is homie and so you're probably
not gonna trade him. Is basically we

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have Justin Holliday to cut or move
his matching salary. And it's you know,

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because I think DeAndre Jordan's not someone
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but you value him for his locker
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eye he posts the other night,
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I think it's Justin Holliday is the
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to get that out of the way. Just because it feels like there's no

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other real option now when you're looking
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so that it becomes easy to make
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Tillman for this team and I still
do. I just think he's less likely

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to be moved now that or it'll
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Adams is gone for Memphis, they
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so they still have those luxury tax
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deal ticks in. So I like
Exavier Tillman. I would love Here's one

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though, Dario Sharitch here with the
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of nowhere. They don't have his
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That's someone who could play with Yok
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him and Aaron like he could play
at five, he could play with Aaron

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Gordon in the smaller units. I
don't know how much playoff burn he would

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get it as a regular season innings
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favorite backup big option for this team. Yeah, he's the top of my

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list too. I totally agree,
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Like I don't want to short change
the Denver fans, but they know they

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know what's what's going on here,
Like they've been neglected. We'll have to

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do a deeper dive into them at
some point. But like the Nuggets are

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just such a no it's wake me
up in men. Definitely true because they're

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my title pick. It's been unfair
because they're just like sort of we we

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don't they're really good. Like nothing
that happens in the regular season short of

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catastrophic injury is gonna make me think
they're any less of a of a title

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contender that you know, you can't
there's nothing you could. I know people

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try and feign concern about like some
of their losses or like their slot.

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I after watching the last six weeks
of them or whatever last year and then

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them just turning on the Jets in
the postseason, I'm just like, eh,

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no, they're fine. There is
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what is the percentage chance that this
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Because I think it's like ninety five
they're not. I'll take I'll take

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the over. Yeah, all right, Therefore we should move on. There's

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like if you're looking at other backup
bigs, it's again it's like you go

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go Bitadze is not playing in Orlando
anymore, Orlando Robinson. If Miami's just

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like kind of doing weird things.
I like Mamu for them from San Antonio

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because he can kind of do he
probably he won't give you any defense,

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but he's really crafty. But it's
you have to ask yourself, are any

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of those guys worth giving up second
round equity for? And I think with

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Dariosars, I'd absolutely do it just
to fortify my title chances of my death

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for the regular season. Yeah,
although you have to remember too Denvers and

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let you'd have to trade somebody else's
second rounders because Denver second rounders are gonna

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suck for the foreseeable future. Those
are like guys that never make the league

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in the you know, well they
fifty. They actually have Toronto's twenty twenty

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five second Oh no, that's Dallas. I'm sorry, I'm looking at the

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wrong team. So they have they
have Charlotte or min It's so they have

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Minnesota's second round pick. Is like
the inbound apps, Like, yeah,

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I don't know all right, Let's
go to the Warriors, which this is

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your show man, No, I
mean, well, this is another team.

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They're a little more interesting, but
I think the chances of them not

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doing something are are also pretty high. Not Denver high, but high.

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So just zoomed out. The Warriors
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they can be a buyer if they
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lot of support for that to happen, just because of the we owe it

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to Steph Curry angle. The You
know, this is a very expensive team.

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What are you doing if you're not
trying to be more than like a

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well outside the playing team. It
costs us much like we gotta we gotta

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keep going. Maybe good money after
bad good money after bad situation. They

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could sell, they could, you
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Like you move, you try to
move off Wiggins for cap flexibility,

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You try to, you know,
just sort of get a little leaner and

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meaner going into the off season and
make the real run next year. Or

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you do nothing and hope the guys
that have underperformed just get better, or

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in Clay Thompson's case, come back
next year for half the salary's currently making

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stuff like that. Well, please, it's less than a half for their

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sake. Yeah, well, I
don't know. Twenty million a years seems

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okay, But yeah, I think
I think they're gonna have to give him

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at least twenty because otherwise I think
you might actually risk him just being too

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prideful and somebody will give him more
than that. Maybe I don't know.

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Shout out Toroit. Yeah, Detroit's
out there, just like who who's whose

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statue ceremony five years from now?
Can we ruin? Right? Yeah?

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They So they could do either either
thing. We can get into it in

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depth if you want. But like
my position is, I don't think I

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don't think it makes sense to do
anything other than see what you can turn

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Chris Paul's contract into and maybe you
move Moses Moody or maybe you I don't

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know, take calls on Wiggins.
But like, other than that, you're

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not trading Draymond. They're not gonna
trade stuff. They're not gonna trade Clay,

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So you just it's a kind of
peck on the margins, and that's

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unsatisfying because it means they're unless they
really turn it around somehow. Over the

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last thirty games, they're gonna be
a playing team and that's about it,

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right, They should if that,
if that's the route they're gonna go is

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kind of stasis. They should even
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They should abstuely do that. Yeah, I could also see the Wiggins thing

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becomes more interesting because if I know
Wiggins has played a little better, Like

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if this is Jonathan kaminga now and
you trust him, do you just look

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to move Wiggins for an expiring contract
because you because you talk about moving Chris

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Paul. Where the thought process would
be, let's roll that salary slot into

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someone who's more useful for us.
That's gonna require additional equity on your part,

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And so are you willing to give
up Moody picks to get someone and

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I think for the right player who
can be a part of their program in

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the years to come, a Dejonte
Murray. And I'm not saying I would

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give up everything for these players,
but a Wendo Carter junior who that's not

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really a Chris Paul trade unless you're
also taken back Gary Harris or John and

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Isaac or whoever. Like, if
you can get players like that, even

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I've done about Alex Caruso a little
more for this team just to like get

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that kay for a long time.
So that's someone who could guard one through

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four. Yeah, that cost you
Moses Moody in a first round pick.

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Let's say, but his salary is
conducive to your expensive next year expenses next

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year because he's just not making that
much and he helps you. So like

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those are moves that I think they
should be monitoring just because yeah, there's

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they're not a team where you look
at their assets right now, they're not

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gonna get that much better over the
offseason. It's, oh, we opened

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up a twenty thirty one swap because
they already or because like the twenty thirty

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pick they could still trade, they
would they top twenty protect it so they

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could be like, hey, we'll
give it to you if it falls within

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one through nineteen or one through twenty. It's like that card's already there.

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So since their asset chess doesn't actually
improve that much over the summer, you

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could argue, if they're not going
to bring back Chris Paul, their war

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chest is even emptier or it's getting
shallower because they don't have that matching salary

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to offer, so I would look
at doing something like that. And my

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favorite, I think my two favorites
for them. I mean, I would

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love Wendell Carter Junior there I just
feel like the Magic aren't going to move

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him. Would be Dejonta Murray and
Alex Caruso. I talk to you about

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Denny Avdya and an Yaka Kunglu.
They're poison pilled, so there'll be some

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extra leg work involved, and those
aren't guys I want to throw the farm

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at. But like, if you
can get a Caruso or a Murray,

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I it's not about just this season. They would help you, you get

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into the play in and then you're
better. But if you can get them

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for if it's Moody plus a first
round pick and salary and that gets those

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deals done, I'm absolutely jumping at
those opportunities. Yeah, you know it's

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so interesting that like, and this
is another team, well they deserve a

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little more time than Denver just because
there's more going on. But like I

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kind of think internally, and this
is just my sense of it, because

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it might also be what I kind
of think, like they think, if

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well, we don't need Alex Caruso
because once Gary Payton's healthy, like that

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same guy, you know, like
he does the same things, And why

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would we trade Moses Moody because we
still believe in him, And like,

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I think in some sense, like
and I don't know that that's irrational.

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Any of those things are irrational to
think, but I think deep down they

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probably believe we need to just kind
of bring this group back next year and

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pay clay Less and turn Chris Paul
into something else and we're going to be

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right back in it. And it's
like I kind of almost understand how you

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could believe that, but it also
seems insane because they're under five hundred and

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you know, STEP's been healthy most
of the year, Like it's crazy to

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believe that. But I think there
just doesn't. It's I feel like what

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I'm trying to say is it's got
to be pretty easy for them to look

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at a move for someone like Caruso
or of someone of that level and just

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be like, eh, I don't
know, why are we giving up anything

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that doesn't that doesn't change anything.
I do think the bigger deal would be

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though, So you mentioned Chris Paul. Do you think they would be willing

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to then guarantee his salary or part
of his sat like question could just bring

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him back at a smaller number,
like would they be willing to do that

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to where it's still expensive and so
they can use him because otherwise the move

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needs to be this season. Then
yeah, right, it's interesting. It's

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like that contract is still valuable,
but it's sort of treating like it's hard

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to figure out how they're going to
get the most value out of it because

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the kind of if you've watched their
offen, their often kind of needs him,

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which is scary. Yeah, I
mean it's just that, like how

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much can you realistically count on a
guy his age to just not have this

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happen all the time from now on? Just you know, he's just I

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don't know that this was kind of
another freak injury, so it's got a

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little unfair. But like, you
know, he's he's the closer to forty

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than you like for someone who's super
important to your offense. So maybe the

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move is like he does come back
for a renegotiated cheaper deal. I don't

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know. I think there's still probably
teams out there that would pay him more

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than the Warriors would if you were
negotiating freely. And not being traded.

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But uh yeah, I don't know. I just it's a little bleak,

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but it's it's just kind of like
I don't think there's there's not a trade

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that makes them a contender. What
makes them a contender somehow is the guys

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that they already have, including Clay, just become the twenty one to twenty

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two versions of themselves. And you
keep this version of Kaminga and like you

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know, he continues to just climb
the ladder of important players in the franchise.

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So you know, I'm fine with
that path as long as you make

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if you're willing to guarantee or pay
Chris Paul next season so that you roll

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that salary slot. Yeah, yeah, I think I'm a big believer in

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needing that salary slot for them.
The Houston Rockets, who've already made a

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trade, they traded three first round
picks, really only two of them are

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like kind of consequential for Steven Adams, who is not going to play this

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season. It cost them three second
round picks. Excuse me, and Victor

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Oladipo. I don't think that telegraphs. I think some people viewed it as

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older. They still not believe in
Alperin Shangoon, and it's like Alpern Shangoon

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plays thirty two minutes of game,
Steven Adams will be thirty one next year.

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He can play the other fi fifteen
sixteen minutes and he's making backup center

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money at this point. And then
you also have you've now traded, You've

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turned the Victor Oladipo salary slot which
was expiring into a twelve point six million

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or whatever Steven Adams is making.
That's what it felt. This player,

403
00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:17,519
we could technically use him to upgrade
the backup big rotation, but he also

404
00:25:17,559 --> 00:25:22,079
becomes this trade ship next year.
This season specifically, I could still see

405
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,559
them doing stuff though, because their
pick is owed to Oklahoma City with top

406
00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:30,039
four protection and they're kind of on
the periphery of the play in and so

407
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,599
what can they do to improve their
odds there? I think it needs to

408
00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:37,599
happen on the offensive end. They're
a team that I don't even remember.

409
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,680
I sent you a list of trade
targets for everybody. I didn't include him

410
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,359
on there. But I would absolutely
consider taking a look at de Jante Murray

411
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,279
depending on the cost, because him
and Van Vliet and having Brooks and then

412
00:25:48,319 --> 00:25:52,480
Tari Easan. Imagine that those four
defensively and then just put Shanggoon out there.

413
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,920
But I think they need they need
shooting in just like a higher level

414
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,920
offensive player. Yeah, I think
that's right. I think it's interesting that

415
00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:03,680
like the need you know, Jalen
Green has had some of his best games

416
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:08,119
of the year recently, and I
think the Adams move is interesting to compare

417
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,440
to the ones we're talking about hypothetically, because like, if you go get

418
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,000
a shooting guard, are you maybe
like kind of coming over the top of

419
00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:18,200
Jalen Green? And if you go
get like a wing that's a little bigger,

420
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,519
are you kind of different positionally?
But like you can come over the

421
00:26:21,559 --> 00:26:23,319
top of Dylan Brooks and reduce his
role, maybe, but like you don't

422
00:26:23,319 --> 00:26:27,160
want to mess with Jabari Smith's minutes
and roll maybe. But Adams is perfect

423
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,839
because like he's not a threat to
play ahead of Shangoon. He'll just be

424
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:36,200
the muscle that comes in and bangs
around matchup specific Like that's that's the perfect

425
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,720
kind of trade for a young team
that's good and wants to like get what

426
00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:42,160
it needs down the road. I
just like, yeah, like I love

427
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,960
I love the idea of just giving
all the draft equity back for McHale Bridges,

428
00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:48,759
like, let's just let's just do
that. And they tried that per

429
00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:52,480
Michael Scoto of who Tight, and
a lot of people said the net should

430
00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:56,640
do it. There has to be
a level of just like embarrassment where it's

431
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,319
this team gives you an aggressive offer
and it's just all your own stuff back.

432
00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:04,400
But still I thought you where I
thought you were going with that was

433
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,640
there has to be a point where
the nets just say, we can't keep

434
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,599
turning down these incredible offers for mckel
Bridges, like we got to say yes

435
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,079
if that's if this is really true, where like you know, four or

436
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,880
five picks are out there multiple times, or five was like a hypothetical,

437
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,839
but four, like whatever the Nets
or whatever the Rockets might get back,

438
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,759
you might just need to say yes
at some point. So is Jalen Green

439
00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:29,799
in two of their first round picks
too much for mckel Bridges. Is the

440
00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:33,640
framework? I don't think it is. I'm not sure that's really analyzing.

441
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,759
I think if I'll tell you how
stupid I am, if Jalen Green hadn't

442
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:41,519
had like a couple of really nice
games recently, I would have been like,

443
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,599
do it immediately, but now I'm
thinking, like, oh, what

444
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,319
if Jalen Green does turn out to
be really good? I don't think that's

445
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,559
likely. I think he's a zach
Lavine type, you know where there's a

446
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,599
Jack Lavine was never really good?
Wow, Well, and nobody wants them

447
00:27:55,599 --> 00:28:04,160
Baron Landscape, the desolate uh deserted
one is whatever we said, I think

448
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,799
my saying. So. The other
thing they could do was because Teve Adams

449
00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:11,319
isn't playing this year, like they
could look to upgrade the backup big Spot

450
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,720
with another expiring contract perhaps would be
good. I think my favorite trade target

451
00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:18,359
for them, though, I mean
it's Michale Bridges, because there'd be high

452
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,559
comedy there if the nets are getting
their own picks. And he's also a

453
00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:25,720
good fit, but someone who won't
He can come over the top of a

454
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,559
bunch of different people based off their
defensive personnel. I haven't seen him mentioned.

455
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,720
I love boyon Bogdanovich for this team. Is I am I missing the

456
00:28:32,759 --> 00:28:36,680
mark there? I don't yet know. I think that I don't understand why

457
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:38,279
you know his name has been around, but I feel like the most recent

458
00:28:38,279 --> 00:28:41,920
conversations I heard about him, were
like, ah, he's a little you

459
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,839
can't defend, and he's It's like, how do we go from everybody wants

460
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,079
this guy to maybe we're talking him
down. I think he'd be a great

461
00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:49,200
fit there. I think he'd be
a great fit lots of places. I

462
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,799
still think Detroit's gonna get something good
for him if assuming they trade him,

463
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,799
I would give up. I would
protect it and like make it lottery protected,

464
00:28:56,839 --> 00:29:00,400
and then if you have like maybe
two cracks at it to get it,

465
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,799
but like I would have I mean, he's yeah, okay, he's

466
00:29:02,839 --> 00:29:07,319
gonna turn what does he turn?
Thirty five in April? He's sixty true

467
00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:10,519
shooting on a team that doesn't really
put him in the best situations twenty two

468
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:14,640
points for thirty six minutes forty one
point four percent from three fifty one point

469
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,279
seven percent on twos. He has
him self creation to him. He's actually

470
00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:21,920
shooting a career low at the foul
line at seventy seven percent. So it's

471
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,920
like, this is just and then
you have that. Okay, we can

472
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,359
either pay him two million dollars to
go away, or we just have this

473
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,480
nineteen point six million dollars spiring contract
on the books for next year and with

474
00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:34,519
Houston specifically, some teams might run
into defensive problems, but it's if you

475
00:29:34,519 --> 00:29:37,599
want to play him as your day
Facto four or your three or even your

476
00:29:37,599 --> 00:29:41,920
two like to like you have Dylan
Brooks and Fred van Fleet and Tarry Easton

477
00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:47,240
and Aman Thompson and Jabari Smith Junior
and even Shane Goun's been better to him,

478
00:29:47,319 --> 00:29:49,599
like you could just move him in
all these different combinations. And he's

479
00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:52,759
also the type of player we're seeing
Detroit now and Parkers didn't want to get

480
00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:59,079
rid of him. He doesn't infringe
upon anybody's development. No, all right,

481
00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:03,079
most likely player to be traded depot. That's what we definitely would have

482
00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:07,799
said if we'd record. That's got
to be it, right, because he's

483
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:11,119
he's got the weird non guarantees on
what three of the four for the Warriors?

484
00:30:11,119 --> 00:30:14,359
Who's there? Most likely? Is
it Paul or Moody? I think

485
00:30:14,359 --> 00:30:18,839
you're maybe it's Charge. Is it
just Charge? No? I bet it's

486
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,200
I feel like it's probably Moody.
I feel like it's Moody. I don't

487
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,920
know, I don't know why I
feel that way. Mooney, is that

488
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,119
what you said? No, Moody. I could like, if you're another

489
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,039
team and you look at how badly
Looney has moved this year, and you

490
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:37,720
also know that like he's like he's
so limited and only kind of works with

491
00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:41,039
certain players around him. What his
trade value is so low relative to his

492
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,640
value to the team he's on.
Yeah, it's got to be Landale.

493
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,680
Jeff Green's up there. Maybe if
you're talking about Jeff Green, it's time

494
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:55,519
for the Clippers. I mean,
we've talked about far more obscure players than

495
00:30:55,559 --> 00:30:57,519
Jeff Green. Well, I think
they want him for the locker room president.

496
00:30:57,559 --> 00:31:00,400
That's true, that's true. All
right, let's now we're onto the

497
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:06,440
Clippers. I agree with you,
uh obviously, buyers. I think looking

498
00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:10,240
this is this is one where putting
this list together, like a few weeks

499
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,720
ago, like this was before we
were all one hundred percent sure, like,

500
00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:15,720
oh my god, this team is
what's got at all? Like,

501
00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:19,920
what what do we need to do
here? I still think like PJ.

502
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,920
Tucker feels like someone they could move
to, you know, if he's not

503
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,519
going to be the change of Tucker. Yeah, right, this is other

504
00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:30,279
situations, right, you got to
find can you trade him for PJ?

505
00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:33,920
Tucker? Five years ago, because
the other guys you might think about with

506
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,119
with you know, moving their salaries, like Norm Powell too valuable, Terrence

507
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,119
Man too valuable, like they just
that's not the way to go get the

508
00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:47,799
tiny role you want filled by the
PJ. Tucker type. So could do

509
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:53,039
nothing. I mean, I would
argue they like I am what we asked

510
00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:56,319
Keith about this, and maybe it's
very it doesn't matter in the grand scheme

511
00:31:56,359 --> 00:32:00,519
of things. But after this season, if they're gonna stay in that second

512
00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:04,680
apron and they are, they extended
Kawhi, a lot of people expect him

513
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,680
that they're going to resign Harden and
Paul George if he opts out or doesn't

514
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:12,079
extend, I would assume you can't
aggregate salaries. You can't take back any

515
00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:15,759
more money than you're sending out.
So it's like now is that you can

516
00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:16,960
aggregate, you could take back a
little bit more money, and you have

517
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,079
your twenty thirty pick to deal.
I'm not saying you have to deal it.

518
00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:22,480
Maybe it's a matter of getting someone
with seconds and we can go through

519
00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:27,160
targets. But like if you my
favorite target for them is PJ. Washington

520
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,319
because I'm with you, I think
they need kind of the small ball five

521
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,039
option, but can they also play
next to one of the big so that

522
00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:37,720
you're ensuring they can play the max
amount a minute as possible. PJ.

523
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:39,480
Washington tended an even year. I
still think he'd be really good for this

524
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:43,440
team, and he's someone who in
theory, yeah, his role might be

525
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,680
smaller, but you can then it's
the Desjonte Murray equation where well, we

526
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:51,960
could actually use him as value in
another trade to where his money by itself

527
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,039
at one hundred percent matching is still
gonna get us sixteen seventeen million dollars and

528
00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:59,960
he has real value. So he's
my favorite target. But you have to

529
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:02,039
be willing. I don't think Charlotte, especially if you're including PJ. Tucker,

530
00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:06,000
like, you're not gonna get him
for second, So you'd have to

531
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,839
be willing to would you do Tucker
salary and that first I'd protected I think

532
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:14,400
for PJ Washington, I think I
would do it. I think it's so

533
00:33:14,599 --> 00:33:17,160
distant though, that twenty because I
mean, they they're not probably gonna be

534
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,759
any good then that might yeah,
you just maybe you have to. I

535
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:24,319
feel like I'm a little I'm a
little PJ. Washington's like right below,

536
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,920
like Jeremy Grant was above the line
for us to do it now, first

537
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,799
first round pick trade. I feel
like Washington might be a little below it,

538
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:36,160
but you're more like there's not a
player out there for them that would

539
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,440
be worth that given the role they're
gonna assume. I'm trying to think of,

540
00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:42,839
like who would even all the targets
you've got her, you know,

541
00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:47,359
right on that like Santel Damas another
one like a Linux Washington's first round.

542
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:52,680
I think players are which are great
then yeah, I mean your guy Chris

543
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,920
Bouchet just come in and come in
and shoot some threes, not making them

544
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,440
at the moment or the past.
It is such an important lens though,

545
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,400
to keep in mind for teams like
the Clippers, where they'll like, you

546
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,920
gotta maybe do some things now,
even if it doesn't feel like a great

547
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,880
idea, just because you're gonna be
so restrained going forward that this is your

548
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,519
last shot. So like maybe maybe
the answer is like, yeah, PJ.

549
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:20,960
Washington is the right call because this
first like kind of might disappear like

550
00:34:21,039 --> 00:34:22,719
or you know, like we we
kind of lose a bunch of options if

551
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,639
we don't do it now, So
I don't know. Here's here's a hypothetical,

552
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,519
and I think we went through all
the names that we have for that.

553
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:31,880
I mean, MAXI Kleiba, if
he's really done, you might as

554
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,880
well take a flyer on the PJ. Tucker in seconds. O don't And

555
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,679
why the masks that? So you
do that? You're the Hawks and the

556
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:43,519
Clippers come calling and they say,
we're gonna give you this twenty thirty pick,

557
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:52,320
completely unprotected, and it's Jalen Johnson
for a mere coffee. M that's

558
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,880
well, I don't think I don't
think the Hawks would do that. I'm

559
00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:01,639
not sure they should, but I
mean Jalen Johnson, Well, how about

560
00:35:01,639 --> 00:35:06,159
this, if we're starting to talk
about trade officer Jalen Johnson, the Hawks

561
00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:08,000
immediately call the rest of the league
and say, can you beat one first

562
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,679
for Jalen Johnson? And the rest
of the league says, yeah, unprotected

563
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:15,079
though is like I know that,
Yeah, I know that. Like Landry

564
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:16,920
Field is probably gonna be running the
show at that point, so that's definitely.

565
00:35:17,079 --> 00:35:20,760
I mean, the Pelicans would beat
that, but just there might not

566
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,440
be teams that are willing up because
he's about to be paid. There might

567
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,480
be teams that are scared of that, which is why Lanta would move him

568
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:29,159
in the first he's gonna get If
I told you twenty seven million dollars a

569
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:30,320
year, I think I'm taking the
over. If you rather, if you

570
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,719
told me twenty seven million dollars a
year, I'm taking the over. I

571
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:37,800
haven't thought enough about I mean,
like in the twenties, for sure,

572
00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:42,119
that is one of the least hot
takes you've ever had. I'm just I'm

573
00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:45,360
trying to see where I'm comfortable and
then like nudge up or like twenty five.

574
00:35:45,519 --> 00:35:47,800
I don't know, maybe twenty six. Uh yeah, No, I

575
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,719
don't think. I think the Clippers. If I'm the Clippers, I do

576
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,079
that ten times out of ten.
Oh you wouldn't, Okay. If I'm

577
00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:58,280
the Hawks, I'm like, I
don't know, I could do better than

578
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,559
that. For Jalen Johnson, the
Lakers, do we do most likely to

579
00:36:02,559 --> 00:36:06,920
be traded? Oh it's gotta be
Tucker right, Yeah, I agree,

580
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,679
even though he's also probably the toughest
player to move for them theoretically, right

581
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,000
if he did if he was expiring, and be totally different, But that

582
00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:15,360
one more that player option that that's
tough for twenty four to twenty five.

583
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:20,440
So the Lakers have the same dilemma
as the Mavericks. Whereas, based off

584
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,440
the names that are out there,
are you waiting to when you could trade

585
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:27,360
your three first round picks plus three
swaps plus Austin Reeves like that's your godfather

586
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,320
offer? Or are you going out
and making the move now? And the

587
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:35,719
answer is that this you don't have
Luca and even Kyrie who's younger, you

588
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,039
make the move now if it's you
know, I understand drawing a line because

589
00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:43,320
of his injuries and his contract with
Zach Lvine, where it's we will give

590
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,760
you our twenty twenty nine first or
Austin Reeves like, you don't get I

591
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,039
understand drawing that line. But if
you can get to Jontay Murray for you're

592
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:55,800
able to offer, go get to
Janta Murray in part because he's younger and

593
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,880
he'll be valuable as a trade chip
if you need to move him later.

594
00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:02,320
I just I'm not and I want
to know where you land on this.

595
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,320
This team needs offense and heeds shooting. It could use another creator, even

596
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,840
with D'Angelo Russell having just one of
those. I don't give a fuck scorching

597
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:16,840
hot stretches, like I'm like again, I'm being restrained in Zach Colvine talks.

598
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,440
I'm involved in them though if I'm
the Lakers, because you need that

599
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,920
type of player, and I don't
know that I see I listed boy and

600
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,679
Madonavitch for this team would make a
lot of sense. I don't like,

601
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,559
do they even have enough to do
that in between stuff like if you could

602
00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:32,920
get away with a swap and Jalalenhood
Chafino and Max Christie and salary for a

603
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,480
boy. I don't think the Pistons
do that. So they're almost only built

604
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:44,000
to do something a little bit nuclear. Yeah, And and I think like

605
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:47,960
the Lavine Levine to me, like
really does and like we it's well documented.

606
00:37:49,079 --> 00:37:52,039
Not the biggest Levine fan think he's
over over compensated, a little overrated,

607
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:57,280
like great shooter, great scorer,
Like I don't like him on a

608
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,599
lot of teams, but specifically on
the Lakers. It may sense to me

609
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:05,360
like he's just like the knocks on
him are one not a good defender,

610
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,880
inattentive, and two he's like a
functional passer, but he's almost he doesn't

611
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:13,639
make the types of passes that like
dramatically improve an offense and like add flow

612
00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:15,000
to it. He's not making like
next level reads. I think, you

613
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,000
know, he gets the assist because
he's got the ball a lot, and

614
00:38:17,039 --> 00:38:22,840
he draws attention and he can make
like the basic passes, but he's not

615
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:27,760
like he's just not like a let's
start the churn type of passer. So

616
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,079
that's fine because the Lakers have a
good defense and they have the type of

617
00:38:31,159 --> 00:38:36,719
veteran personnel Lebron specifically that like in
the biggest moments, he'll make the decisions

618
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:39,119
like and he can set Levine up
for easier shots than he would otherwise get,

619
00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:42,880
so like he makes sense. There
can you get him for a first

620
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,760
and not include Austin Reeves? I
don't know. I mean, the longer

621
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,239
this goes on and the more hurt
Levine seems to be, maybe you can,

622
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,760
uh, but but after that,
you know, like Murray's obviously the

623
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,960
much cheaper alternative. I like Terry
Rozier there before he ended up moving.

624
00:38:59,039 --> 00:39:02,360
Yeah, it's all just shooting and
scores, and I think you it's a

625
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,519
little like the warrior situation and that
like there may not be a trade that

626
00:39:06,559 --> 00:39:08,719
makes them a contender because They're just
not that close to that level as it

627
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:14,679
is, but the Lebron thing makes
it so that you're just a little more

628
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:17,559
I don't know, risk tolerant for
that kind of thing. So you just

629
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:22,119
probably go for it. So I
have a trade proposal for a target that

630
00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:24,679
has not been talked about with them. I'm just curious as to what you

631
00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:28,519
think. All right, let's hear
it. You go, deanzel Russell.

632
00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:36,880
It already Deanz Russell was killing it
at the I'm out you know. You

633
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,800
know that, And there will be
a different permutation of this deal if you

634
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:45,719
say no to it. Okay,
So yes, Max Christie, that nine

635
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:51,760
first round pick and let's say unprotected
or at most top one protection, and

636
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,360
then all the swaps that you can
give, which is I think twenty twenty

637
00:39:55,400 --> 00:40:01,880
six and two thousand and thirty.
Okay, so two swaps for Cam Johnson.

638
00:40:04,679 --> 00:40:07,639
Wow, I to talk about someone
I have not thought of as a

639
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:14,280
as a Lakers target. So Brooklyn
is giving up Johnson, getting Delo and

640
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:21,239
two young guys a first and two
swaps. Yes, I think Brooklyn probably

641
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,519
should do that. And then should
the Lakers do that? Is that a

642
00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:30,880
big enough would you rather include Austin
Reeves than Delo if you're the Lakers in

643
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,480
that scenario, or do you just
trust that like we have Reeves and Gabe

644
00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:37,000
Vinson, we'll get healthy or we'll
get Chris Paul or Kyle Lowry on the

645
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,239
buy out market. There is no
scenario where I would put Reeves in that

646
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:45,360
deal over Russell. No, I
would the Nets prefer like Russell's. They

647
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:50,119
could actually with absolutely prefer Reeves.
They would have to write like there's just

648
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:52,880
am I crazy that? Like,
I just I don't know if you're trying

649
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,440
to No. No, I think
I think you're right, But it's just

650
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,920
if they're looking for an actual creator
that's not necessarily. If I'm the Nets

651
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,280
and you include Reeves in that first
round pick and the swaps and then we're

652
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,280
just getting to salary, I think
I don't know if I would do it.

653
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:07,559
Still. I'm just I'm curious to
what like Cam Johnson is. He's

654
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:12,159
better defensively than people think, although
he's not a very good rebounder. But

655
00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:14,679
you have Lebron and a dal like
you're all of a sudden really big again

656
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,920
on the front line in a way
that Darvinham refuse to play big and like

657
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,800
you kept I think it, then
it gets you have diluted your creation,

658
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,239
You've improved your shooting and your optionality. And so it's, well, will

659
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,880
Gabe Vincent be healthy this season or
do we trust that we're gonna get Like

660
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:35,239
if you trade d Lo without getting
another point of attack creator like Kyle Lowry

661
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,159
is just gonna end up on the
Lakers at that point. I mean that's

662
00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:40,840
fine, all right, Yeah,
I'm good with that. No, I

663
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,760
just you know, yeah, you're
what you're saying about. If you don't

664
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,800
replace what de Lo provides, you
do lose a lot. But it's like

665
00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:51,719
Lakers kind of you know, cut
him out of the rotation in the playoffs

666
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,719
last year several times the granted you
had, you had more support, you

667
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:58,079
had Shrewder, right, I think
playing a much larger role had Lonnie Walker

668
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:00,519
coming in and winning a playoff game, and Reeves was handling too. So

669
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:06,079
I just like, yeah, the
ither thing you can do is like that

670
00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:08,679
deal can be expanded to where if
you think that's too much compensation, well

671
00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:13,679
if you're also getting because you have
RUI and the Nets could use a bigger

672
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,599
photo for getting rid of Cam Johnson
and you full Dorian Phinney Smith or Royce

673
00:42:16,599 --> 00:42:21,639
O'Neal in to this deal. Yeah, So like because I don't know where

674
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:22,679
you landed, it seemed like you
were a little bit more reticent to do

675
00:42:22,679 --> 00:42:25,679
it if you were the Lakers.
I was just trying to go and think

676
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:31,000
of like could that package get something
better? And because I was still still

677
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,599
thinking, like, the types of
players I kept thinking about for targets were

678
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:38,480
like more like two threes than three
four. So I had like the Gary

679
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:45,039
trentz On there and the Bugdon bogged
On Bogdanovic and Jordan Clarkson and you know,

680
00:42:45,079 --> 00:42:46,920
Bruce Brant, guys that like could
run around and score and do a

681
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:52,639
bunch of other stuff. But nobody
of Johnson's size that You're right, that

682
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,360
hasn't been like a positional type that
people have kind of talked about for the

683
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,400
Lakers. I guess I'll frame it
to you this way. If you're I

684
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,239
might do it. I think I
do it if I'm the Lakers just for

685
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,039
Johnson or would you need like dfs? Oh, I'd love it to expand

686
00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:07,639
to get DFS in there. If
you want to want to throw you're saying

687
00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:12,719
you do it without I guess i'd
probably try and push to get Royce O'Neill

688
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,280
in there. At least. I
don't think you'd run it like I shouldn't

689
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,360
be a deal breaker for Brooklyn if
you're if you're asking for so, what

690
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,480
would your preference be if it costs
you Reeves and you're first to get to

691
00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:29,519
Jante Murray or this package for Cam
Johnson. Hm, that's interesting. I

692
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:34,199
think I might still like Reeves more
than most, so I think i'd probably

693
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,599
rather do the Cam Johnson one.
I think I'm with you because it's so

694
00:43:37,679 --> 00:43:40,000
I believe it's so easy to fold
Royce O'Neill into it. And maybe that's

695
00:43:40,039 --> 00:43:43,960
like me just being too confident.
Maybe so yeah, but no, I

696
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,719
mean that's that trade addresses more.
I'm glad it was at least a thinker

697
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,400
for you. I thought you were
gonna I was. I was like,

698
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,719
is he gonna laugh or just dismiss
it? But I'm glad you had to

699
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,679
think about it. Do we do
most likely to be traded? Who is

700
00:43:54,760 --> 00:44:00,199
most likely to be traded on this
team? I mean Russell signed a find

701
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,119
the contract specifically designed to be traded. Basically, it seemed to me right,

702
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,679
that's that's could you see us an
area in which they're like, well,

703
00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:10,039
he's playing really well, we don't
need to move him for de Jontay

704
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:14,039
Murray or zactly mean, we're just
gonna ride with this and make it so.

705
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:15,639
I mean maybe, but I don't
know who I pick as the next

706
00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:20,519
most likely to be traded. Ade
Vincent's injured, I still take a shot

707
00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:22,280
of him. If I was a
certain team, then Rui's deal. I

708
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,199
just don't like, you can't trade
Vanderbilt right, No, not this season,

709
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,000
So yeah, I don't know.
I'll just stick with Di Loo.

710
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:34,719
I don't like any of other options
that much. Let's see Memphis, Yeah,

711
00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:37,960
weird situation. They've clearly they're not
they don't care, they can't care.

712
00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:40,440
They're just so banged up. John
ran stump for the year. Everyone

713
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:45,519
on this team is injured right now, but they do. They did put

714
00:44:45,519 --> 00:44:50,719
themselves in a weird situation where,
Okay, Xavier Tillman's entering free agency this

715
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,159
summer, We've gotten rid of Steven
Adams. Brandon Clark might return at some

716
00:44:53,159 --> 00:44:55,679
point this season from miss Achilles injury, and if he doesn't, we're not

717
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,800
gonna know what he looks like.
It's like, what is our front court

718
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:04,559
roation. I think they should still
be before all these injuries happened. I

719
00:45:04,599 --> 00:45:06,840
was very much of the mind that
even if you think this season is cooked,

720
00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:08,280
you should be on the lookout for
players you can think can be a

721
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,039
part of your long term program.
If it's a Jeremy Grant, for instance,

722
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:15,480
just give up the value now so
that he's there, I'm probably not

723
00:45:15,519 --> 00:45:17,840
there anymore, just given the scope
of what they're dealing with. See where

724
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:22,519
your lottery pick ends up. See
who becomes available, Like there, where's

725
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:24,599
the Mavericks. If you have the
best offer for Jeremy Grant now, there's

726
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:28,719
no guarantee that it exists in the
summer. If you have the best offer

727
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,079
for Jeremy Grant now as the Grizzlies, you can still get to the best

728
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:35,960
offer for Jeremy Grant over the summer. So I just think they kind of

729
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,639
need to be like in flyer mode, or again, do we just get

730
00:45:38,639 --> 00:45:42,760
a cheap big because maybe we want
their bird rights in the case of Andre

731
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,480
Drummond having his early bird rights,
or just a different big or frontline partner

732
00:45:46,519 --> 00:45:52,639
who can pair with Jared Jackson Junior
next year. Since we don't know will

733
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,840
Tillman leave, what does he cost? And what does Brandon Clark look like?

734
00:45:55,519 --> 00:46:00,679
Have we talked about moving Smart?
Do we talk about that? They

735
00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:02,440
have not. They have not talked
about it because they don't want to do

736
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:07,119
it. And I think that the
Adams deal kind of telegraphs that they're not

737
00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:09,079
going to because one, you're gonna
take a little bit of a bath since

738
00:46:09,079 --> 00:46:13,039
Smart is injured right now, didn't
play well this season, And two you

739
00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:15,679
don't worry about They're in a position
now to where if they decline Lukennard's team

740
00:46:15,679 --> 00:46:20,480
option, they can just duck the
tax and tylery while keeping Marcus Smart and

741
00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:25,760
having Banes pay grade increase. Yeah, how about Canard to the magic for

742
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:30,599
John Isaac? And so you could
chip in whatever you need on either side

743
00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:34,840
to make that happen, because I
think Orlando should Canard is a player type

744
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,360
that makes sense. They're not necessarily
as a starter certainly, but like and

745
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:42,400
then Isaac is a flyer, although
like is he a flyer anymore? It's

746
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,920
just you know, he's gonna be
really awesome on defensive. He's healthy,

747
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,800
that's that's Yeah, Like fourteen minutes
a game and like how many games a

748
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:52,400
year? You don't know him and
Jaron Jackson Junior in the front court talking

749
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:57,400
about just on the court people not
endorsing Jonathan Isaac's political views. For anyone

750
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:02,960
who is worried about that, I
would want to see it. But with

751
00:47:04,039 --> 00:47:08,599
so much shooting, so to give
up shooting and like that now to what,

752
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,280
like I said, oh, John
Conjar time next year. Maybe they're

753
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,360
banking on getting better with shooting.
I mean they have desmon Bane, they

754
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,079
have Triple J, they have jaw
smart will shoot it. It might not

755
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:22,159
go in, but he will shoot
it. I think if you have a

756
00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:27,840
player like Jackson that you know can
win Defensive Player of the Year as a

757
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,840
big and shoot threes, it's like
carte blanche to like get nuts everywhere else,

758
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,679
which means like John Isaac's a weird
fit on a lot of teams.

759
00:47:35,679 --> 00:47:39,440
He's a hard player to offensively.
There's no fit issue on defense because you

760
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:45,039
can do anything, but on offense. You should have him on a team

761
00:47:45,079 --> 00:47:46,519
that has a guy like Jaron Jackson, or like Miles Turner, or like

762
00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:52,039
Brook Lopez or just like that's such
a luxury where a guy can defend at

763
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:54,440
the center spot and shoot threes that
you almost are obligated to be like,

764
00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:00,559
what, what can we get away
with that? Other teams can't at the

765
00:48:00,599 --> 00:48:04,639
other big spot and Isaac is like
that type. Yeah, I would love

766
00:48:04,639 --> 00:48:07,519
to. I mean, can you
imagine him next season? Isaac Smart?

767
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,559
And look, Isaac could be an
expiring con. He's not guaranteed for next

768
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:12,519
year, so you could view it
as but I would love to see him

769
00:48:12,519 --> 00:48:15,039
in Triple J defensively, then with
Smart healthy caked in, which we could

770
00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:19,360
technically see this season, that'd be
huge. Just two other names I'm munching

771
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,599
on very quickly since they're in flyer
mode. Let's just say the Nuggets need

772
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,000
a roster spot and you're still in
this situation as Memphis where you need like

773
00:48:25,039 --> 00:48:29,599
these wings or combo forwards. They
can they move any of these seconds and

774
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:31,239
say yeah, we'll take Hunter Tyson
like that's someone that will come in and

775
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,840
see what they could do. Or
I really like, I don't know why

776
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,679
the thunder would trade him. It
would be because they acquired another big and

777
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:43,159
maybe they need a roster spot,
or you know, maybe they like Lukenard

778
00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:45,440
and they want another shooter on their
team. So you've folded into a bigger

779
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,679
deal. Jay will here next to
Jaron Jackson Junior can make a lot of

780
00:48:47,679 --> 00:48:52,440
sense too. Ooh, that's interesting. Yeah. Julian Champagny was another one

781
00:48:52,519 --> 00:48:54,519
that I had. I don't know
how many seconds it takes to get him

782
00:48:54,519 --> 00:49:00,679
out of San Antonio. He's under
He's making three million dollars a year under

783
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,679
team control for the next four seasons. I think. Yeah, that was

784
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:07,880
like the modern Hinky Special. I
guess who do you think is most likely

785
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:13,719
to be traded? No, I
would not have said Steven Adams, by

786
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,400
the way. I think it's is
who I would have said to begin with.

787
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:21,400
Who would you have said? I
think it's either him or Desire Williams,

788
00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:27,199
probably Lukenard, just because I think
Williams still got that someone of these

789
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,079
days I could have talked to myself
and Xavier Tillman too, just because they

790
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:35,199
were gonna have to pay him something. But the Adams trade kind of like

791
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,960
threw me for a loop with it, are you well? I'm sure I

792
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,840
don't hate to make your rehash this, but like I was kind of surprised

793
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:44,320
that Memphis. I think, like
because old Depot is not ever going to

794
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:45,960
play for them. I thought maybe
Adams would just be healthy. They must

795
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:52,480
know in Memphis like this guy's not
gonna be They have his medicals and the

796
00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:55,440
other thing is just like that.
That's how I viewed it. But I

797
00:49:55,480 --> 00:50:00,239
also think that they are very cost
conscious at this point. Side, well,

798
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:01,920
now we don't have to grease the
wheels of a dump where we might

799
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,960
have to do that with Brandon Clarke
at this point, But it does feel

800
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,079
like they are very concerned about what
their payroll is going to That's how I

801
00:50:08,119 --> 00:50:10,880
read it. Yeah, I think
that's probably the right way to look at

802
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:15,440
it. Or I would say their
plan as of right now, which maybe

803
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,119
is why you wouldn't move Lukenard,
is that are they just going to decline

804
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:21,440
his team option and so that they
have more wiggle room underneath the tags?

805
00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:25,320
I don't know. Yeah, still
I still know what. I totally think

806
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:30,239
about the Adams thing. But mostly
I was just surprised the Rockets more than

807
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:34,159
I did the Grizzlies. That's where
I landed. Oh, I totally agree

808
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,719
totally and maybe wrong if if Adams
is just like that, he's just not

809
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,039
going to be healthy, But who
knows. I have a lot to say

810
00:50:40,039 --> 00:50:43,320
if you don't mind on the Minnesota
timber one, I would love to hear

811
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,800
it. We talked about this with
Keith. Any of the nuclear moves will

812
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,000
come, maybe not even over the
off season, but could be in the

813
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,039
middle of next year or leading into
the twenty twenty five draft, because that's

814
00:50:52,159 --> 00:50:57,840
how long you have to get out
of these tax aprons. However, I

815
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,079
want to reiterate this, because we
talk about this with Keith, is that

816
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:05,239
they need backup shooting. They need
a backup point guard because Mike Comley is

817
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,000
way too important to this team.
Even look when Mike Comley plays without Anthony

818
00:51:08,119 --> 00:51:10,280
Edwards, like, the numbers still
aren't good on the offense. So they

819
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:15,920
just need help. You are the
best team in the Western Conference right now.

820
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:19,320
There is no tomorrow for you.
You do whatever it takes. I

821
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,559
don't care how much money's on a
play. Like first of all the Davon

822
00:51:22,639 --> 00:51:24,199
Carter stuff. If you're worried about
his six and a half million dollars next

823
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,239
year, like then you should not
have purchased this NBA team. And it's

824
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,880
clear that things are a little bit
tighter because they needed to rout like loop

825
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:36,840
in that third governor owner whatever phrase
you're using these days. So I'm an

826
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,480
advocate for they don't have a first
round pick to trade, but there are

827
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:44,440
two names that they could get to
if they're willing to put certain second round

828
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,320
equity on the table, if you're
willing to move on from Kyle Anderson for

829
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:50,960
salary matching, and he looks expendable
quite frankly at this point, Tyas Jones

830
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,159
would be great for this team.
An he jibes with the idea of,

831
00:51:53,199 --> 00:51:55,360
well, his contract's coming off the
books, you kind of figure out what

832
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,079
happens with him and Mike Comedy and
free agency. You know the name.

833
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:02,679
I'm wondering they can get there with
the money because you have to here's the

834
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:07,159
catch, Malcolm Brogden for this team. The money is huge. He's making

835
00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:10,880
twenty two and a half this year
and next year. If your plan is

836
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:15,440
to move forward with Karl Anthony Towns
and Rudy Gobert, are you willing to

837
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:22,119
give up nas Reed Kylie Anderson for
Michael Malcolm Brogden. Maybe it takes another

838
00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:23,920
second in there, because I know
Portland wanted first round out, but nos

839
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:30,119
Reed's really, really, really good, I especially on offense, Like I

840
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:34,480
just think I don't know whether I
would have to think about it as Minnesota.

841
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,440
I want to make that. Yeah, but you're trying to win enough

842
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,079
with the payroll stuff, like well, Nasried is cheap and if we want

843
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:43,639
to move Towns or we want to
move Gobert, like, no, you

844
00:52:43,679 --> 00:52:46,719
have a chance to win the title
this season, and I would argue Malcolm

845
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:51,159
Brogden gives you a better chance to
do that this season than Nasried does.

846
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,559
Is that fair or unfair? I
think that's totally fair. And I think,

847
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:59,960
well, the main reason that the
Wolves signed Reed to that contract is

848
00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:02,000
that he's a good player and he
like works and there he works with either

849
00:53:02,039 --> 00:53:06,000
of their other bigs, and that's
just what he's worth. But it was

850
00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:08,960
also like an asset preservation play to
make a move like this from a position

851
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:14,719
where you have a glut of biggs
to a position where you just like,

852
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,079
like you said, Mike Conley's way
too important and Brogden could play with Conley

853
00:53:17,199 --> 00:53:22,239
or Edwards, you know, could
spell it could start at either guard position.

854
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,840
I think he would just matter more
than I think You're right. I

855
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:30,000
think he would He should matter more
in a playoff run than Reed would because

856
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:36,719
hopefully all of your four or five
minutes are split between between Gobert Towns and

857
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:38,639
even Jade McDaniels. If you move
him up a spot and if you still

858
00:53:38,639 --> 00:53:44,039
have Kyle Anderson, then fine.
But like Reid, I think is a

859
00:53:44,119 --> 00:53:49,119
luxury and they have a necessity situation
in the backcourt, so I think maybe

860
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:52,199
that's I don't think that's unfair at
all to say that Brogden would be more

861
00:53:52,199 --> 00:53:55,360
helpful. I think most people's rebuke
would be the money he's making next year,

862
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,800
which I just can't bring myself to
care about. Would also just be

863
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,199
well why do you give up that
for somebody's not part of your closing lineup.

864
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:04,159
But it's like, well, mos
Reed's not going to be in fury

865
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,679
unless you have to play like toggle
between Towns and go Bear against certain matchups.

866
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,519
He's not going to be part of
your closing lineup either, and if

867
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:15,079
he is, something it's probably gone
wrong. Well what's gonna happen eventually is

868
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:17,960
they have to move one of those
big contracts. It's probably you know,

869
00:54:19,119 --> 00:54:22,320
probably Towns, maybe go Bear.
I don't know, But like the difference

870
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:27,159
between nos Reed and Malcolm Brogden financially
is like who cares. It's like a

871
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,880
drop in the bucket when you're dealing
with all these other max and supermax level

872
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,960
contracts, you can mess around with
those marginal deals. He's also insurance against

873
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,760
if Mike Conley leaves and free.
That's the only part of it. There's

874
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:42,679
not there's a world where your guard
rotation next year is like Brogden Edwards and

875
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,199
Nikil Alexander Walker and you're just go
for it like that's it. Yeah,

876
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:50,480
yeah, Commley's not guaranteed to be
back. That might be the other cost

877
00:54:50,519 --> 00:54:54,719
of savings. The cap tax saving
move they make is just like, yeah,

878
00:54:54,719 --> 00:55:00,199
we love you, but you know, we got to cut corner somewhere.

879
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:04,239
Other names though, that would not
cost you. Not read Alec Burks

880
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,880
makes a lot of sense for this
team if it's just seconds in salary.

881
00:55:07,199 --> 00:55:12,760
Especially I think Shake Milton and Troy
Brown Junior get you to Alec Burks while

882
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,719
staying under the tax and then they're
a good Luke Anard team. He costs

883
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:19,239
a little bit more, but you
could definitely figure out the way if if

884
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:23,800
you've Kyle Anderson as expendable to get
him and then a final target for them

885
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:29,400
Javon carter I know he doesn't give
you as much ball handling and Creativit's like,

886
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,119
but he's a good shooter and we'll
defend his ass off. Yeah,

887
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:36,719
different type of guard. I keep
throwing davy On Mitchell around just as like

888
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,719
a second draft guy, and like
he doesn't if you he only works in

889
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:44,199
Minnesota, Minnesota, if Anthony Edwards
really is just doing all the ball handling,

890
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,880
because Mitchell would just be out there
to guard, I think you need

891
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:52,039
your acquisition either be a shooter and
or a good ball handler like to and

892
00:55:52,199 --> 00:55:54,440
like Davion Mitchell is an Etherphy neither, right, what about Markel Foltz.

893
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:58,280
There have to be a third team
involved because I don't know what Minnesota has

894
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,119
that Orlando would want. But like
if Orlando does something else and brings in

895
00:56:01,159 --> 00:56:05,280
another guard, then and it doesn't
involve folks going out, I think he

896
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,880
would be a pretty solid upgrade as
a just a not as a starter obviously,

897
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:14,159
but like he can play twenty two
minutes off the bench and just run

898
00:56:14,199 --> 00:56:16,920
second units. That would be interesting. But he just makes so much money

899
00:56:17,159 --> 00:56:21,760
right now that that that's not an
Odreen situation, though you could get there.

900
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,199
What do they have enough? This
is not in the point guard vme.

901
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,800
But would they I guess if Leonard
Miller's on the table, Like,

902
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,360
do they have enough to get Quentin
Grimes? Oh? Interesting? They have

903
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:37,719
the Memphis or Washington second round pick
this year, plus a second round pick

904
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:43,039
from Utah and a twenty six second
round pick from Indiana, Miami or San

905
00:56:43,039 --> 00:56:46,400
Antonio, the least favorable of those. So I don't know what, But

906
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:51,639
do we think Monte Morris is gonna
play this year? Isn't he back?

907
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,480
Is he back? This shows that
I haven't paid attention to the Pistons for

908
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:57,880
a couple of weeks. What would
it take to get him? Just come

909
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,000
in and be doesn't he? I
mean they are intent on winning. Yeah,

910
00:57:01,039 --> 00:57:02,719
he's back. He's played on the
most. I thought. I watched

911
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,800
him play against the Clippers on Friday
night. With how many games has he

912
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,400
played? I just want to know
five? Yeah, I don't feel too

913
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:15,760
bad. I was on vacation,
so I mean that's seconds and salary.

914
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,079
Yeah, I just don't know.
Detroit might view it as well. This

915
00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:22,639
is someone like in the vein of
Bion Bogdanovich. I think they're more likely

916
00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:28,039
to trade Burks than Bowie ho or
Montemore, so who's also from Michigan,

917
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,519
and so it's like factor that into
it out you will, But he'd be

918
00:57:30,519 --> 00:57:35,440
great for that team. All right, let's see would most likely to be

919
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:39,239
traded, So Kyle Anderson momentum,
it feels like I think it's shake Milton

920
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:44,559
just because the numbers like five and
Jordan McLoughlin's usurped him in the rotation.

921
00:57:44,639 --> 00:57:46,639
I'll go with him, that's true. I haven't seen. Yeah, McLaughlin's

922
00:57:46,639 --> 00:57:50,880
playing quite a bit lately. Okay, that's fair. Uh, Pelicans are

923
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,360
next. It's just what are we? What are we doing with this team?

924
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,320
I feel like I never have on
them. The thing is just like

925
00:57:57,199 --> 00:58:00,599
they're not going to make any moves
on the margins, because does that do

926
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:04,000
They're kind of only built for like
a mega trade anyway, because if you

927
00:58:04,039 --> 00:58:07,159
start to name any of their salary
matching options, it's well, they're not

928
00:58:07,199 --> 00:58:10,960
just gonna trade Dice and Daniels just
because so and what and then what they

929
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,760
need is so specific because okay,
this person needs to be I would say,

930
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,920
no worse than the sixth best player
on their team given the assets that

931
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,480
they would end up just because look
at all their bet like you get like

932
00:58:22,599 --> 00:58:25,239
Larry As junior, Herb Jones,
you Wonna salent che Is, brandon Ingram,

933
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:29,760
Zion Williams, Cig McCollum. You
need the player you acquire, and

934
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,440
Trey Murphy and even mentioned you need
the player you're acquiring to be better than

935
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:36,639
at least one or two of those
guys. And I think what they need

936
00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:40,000
the most, and these guys,
of course, grow on Trees is a

937
00:58:40,119 --> 00:58:47,480
frontline partner for Zion Williams, who
either provides vertical spacing or actual beyond the

938
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:52,039
arc spacing while being an upgrade as
a rim protector. And it's just like

939
00:58:52,880 --> 00:59:00,159
who are the names there and whoever's
doing it to be better then Yonas Valentutis

940
00:59:00,239 --> 00:59:05,599
or Larry Nance at minimum. Yeah, that's been the need for how long?

941
00:59:06,199 --> 00:59:08,360
Right? Like that's we're just I
guarantee you we've talked about this a

942
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:12,719
half dozen times. Just they need
the type of player that there just aren't

943
00:59:12,719 --> 00:59:15,719
any of, and it's really hard
to get them. And Miles Turner's not

944
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:20,880
coming. Chris Bouche could be had, probably, but then like how much

945
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:24,559
better is he than is he?
Better? Look at the money there's and

946
00:59:24,599 --> 00:59:28,079
also you have to get to his
twelve million dollars or whatever. Who are

947
00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:30,960
you? There's no one who's like
all of the players who are making ten

948
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:36,400
million dollars or more, Larry Nance, Herbert Herb Jones, yonasnoo Is Brandon

949
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,280
and Ion cj. Like, they're
not throwaways for the Pelicans. And it's

950
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:43,840
even like step laddering your way there, Oh, Dyson Daniels, Jordan Hawkins,

951
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,559
trader for the third those are the
highest paid guys after Larry Nance.

952
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:51,639
I don't like my whole thing is
like you might as well if I'm them.

953
00:59:51,679 --> 00:59:53,719
What I'm trying to do is create
my own trade market is basically where

954
00:59:53,719 --> 00:59:57,280
I'm at. And so these are
the names I'll throw at you. Maybe

955
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,840
already looking at them. They're a
Jalen Johnson, that's like, we'll give

956
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:05,639
you we have low salaries and picks. That's the guy who is the shooting

957
01:00:05,639 --> 01:00:07,880
to be a little shaky, but
he's done enough of it. This year

958
01:00:07,199 --> 01:00:12,679
gives you some like like optionality out
of short roles. A good secondary rim

959
01:00:12,719 --> 01:00:15,639
protector. Maybe they want someone who's
actually bigger. What about Nick Claxton,

960
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:20,800
The vertical spacing and the switch ability, the rim protection from him going to

961
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:22,039
be a free agent, though I
don't know how much they care about that.

962
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:27,039
You love this name. I cribbed
it from you. Wendell Carter Junior

963
01:00:27,679 --> 01:00:30,159
would be good here. I think
the window to get him might be closing

964
01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:34,480
though, because you know there are
Pelicans. No no, I'm talking about

965
01:00:34,519 --> 01:00:37,599
from Orlando's perspective, like there was
a minute there where it felt like he

966
01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:40,800
wasn't that important, like oh,
I mean go go sure, I'm more

967
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:45,320
so many it's like the window,
like the can't the Pelicans just create their

968
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,239
own window, Like they have an
offer that could make the Magic think,

969
01:00:47,559 --> 01:00:52,440
Oh yeah, I think that I
think the time to strike, like for

970
01:00:52,519 --> 01:00:54,280
the cheapest the best value of man
pass. But yeah, but yeah,

971
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,880
for sure they could think. Of
course, yeah they could. They and

972
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,960
several teams. But the Pelicans have
the need can put something out there where

973
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:02,159
Orlando's like, we don't want to
trade this guy, but we sort of

974
01:01:02,199 --> 01:01:06,159
have to. If you're gonna give
me two firsts and you know, a

975
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,119
good player and maybe a swap or
something like That's that gets it done easy?

976
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:14,400
What about on Yakka konglu poison pill? But you could make it work.

977
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:19,320
Yeah, I think he's like diaper
Daniels. I guess you would have

978
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,239
to move Jonas or Larry Nance in
that scenario. But like, do you

979
01:01:22,239 --> 01:01:30,119
know how much I love Dyson Daniels
on the Hawks? There might be that'd

980
01:01:30,159 --> 01:01:34,199
be hillacious defensively. I mean,
that's the guy to put next to Trey.

981
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:36,920
It would be nice if he could
shoot it, But like it's nice

982
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,719
that he also just doesn't have the
expectation of getting shots. He's just out

983
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:44,000
there to defend and past the ball, and he's happy doing that. It's

984
01:01:44,039 --> 01:01:49,320
pretty solid. Uh yeah, no, I New Orleans or do you need

985
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,079
someone who's you know, he has
some float or touch and he'll give you

986
01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:55,079
the vertical element. Is he good
enough defensively for you? Is it a

987
01:01:55,159 --> 01:01:59,800
coong Wu? Yeah? I don't
know. It's a little concerning that he

988
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:04,000
has and really just stolen Clinkapella's job
and kept it forever. Isn't it like

989
01:02:04,639 --> 01:02:07,800
maybe like a Hawks thing more than
a Kongo movie thing. I don't know,

990
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,920
it's been gone on. Maybe Capella
his trade value Plummet's even more than

991
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,800
it already has. The list feels
like an optical thing. I mean,

992
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,519
yeah, I don't think a kong
Wu passes necessarily passes your test of like,

993
01:02:17,559 --> 01:02:21,559
he's got to be your sixth best
player. I mean he might be.

994
01:02:22,199 --> 01:02:23,880
I have a name if you haven't
looked at the list yet. No,

995
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:27,800
I'm trying not to. Did you
say PJ. Washington yet? That's

996
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,119
another one. I thought that'd be
interesting. Do you think he's good enough

997
01:02:30,119 --> 01:02:32,360
defensively for them? Non? Probably? That's another he may not pass the

998
01:02:32,679 --> 01:02:36,239
gotta be the top six. That's
a good test to have. We should

999
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:37,079
keep that around. Yeah, that's
why I was like, Okay, you

1000
01:02:37,079 --> 01:02:39,679
could go get Kelly Olynok, but
what is the matching salary for that?

1001
01:02:39,719 --> 01:02:44,920
You're not giving him Diced the Jazz. The Jazz would be happy. So

1002
01:02:45,039 --> 01:02:47,159
here's one. I'm gonna frame it
as this. You're getting him because it

1003
01:02:47,239 --> 01:02:51,880
seems like he's going to cost less
than it was to obtain him on the

1004
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:57,280
team he's currently on. His contract
is so good he becomes integral in future

1005
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,960
trades if you want to build one, or because you do have to worry

1006
01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:06,360
about brandon Ingram pricing himself off this
core, I'm Dejontay Murray for this team.

1007
01:03:07,079 --> 01:03:08,559
You have the picks you can get
to, the matching salary and a

1008
01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:12,280
bunch of like you don't even need
to move c J. McCollum for him.

1009
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:15,760
Now the fits wonky because it's oh
so you have CJ. Brandon,

1010
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:19,039
ingram Zion, Williamson and de Jontay
Murray all who want to have the ball.

1011
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:23,239
But I'm like, it feels like
he would sort itself out over time

1012
01:03:23,239 --> 01:03:27,320
and just as a pure asset play, Like if it's a pick and Dyson

1013
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,599
Daniels and then you need Larry Nancis, maybe it's not in Larry Nance's salary,

1014
01:03:30,639 --> 01:03:35,119
maybe it's someone else. I think
I would just do it to have

1015
01:03:35,199 --> 01:03:39,800
the asset roll over for me.
Yeah, I like the idea of Murray.

1016
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:45,440
They're a lot better in a post
McCollum iteration of the team because I

1017
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:49,360
don't like those two together and necessarily
trade you said McCollum to Atlanta with Picks

1018
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:53,039
and Dyson Daniels to get Okunglou and
Murray. We need to turn this into

1019
01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:58,559
a five teamer. But but I
do like the Murray, Jones, ingram

1020
01:03:58,679 --> 01:04:02,639
Zion and a sent her. Look, that's that's pretty interesting. I don't

1021
01:04:02,679 --> 01:04:05,920
I don't like it with McCollum there, that's it man of all the teams

1022
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,960
we've talked about for Murray, that's
not one I've come across. I've been

1023
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,719
because you were so focused on let's
get a five in there. That makes

1024
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,880
sense, but maybe that's like an
impossible task and we should should move on.

1025
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,760
Who's most likely to be traded here? Naji Marshall feels like just because

1026
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,760
he makes so little and will they
pay him in free agency when they got

1027
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:26,320
to worry about, you know,
paying these other guys in the years to

1028
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:30,599
come, brandon Ingram Trey Murphy,
Herb Jones already gotten paid even though it's

1029
01:04:30,599 --> 01:04:33,400
a really good contract, and like
he'd be more, he'd just be higher

1030
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,480
on the depth chart like on almost
any other team than he is. I

1031
01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:40,320
feel like in New Orleans just because
of the depth, you know, and

1032
01:04:40,519 --> 01:04:44,960
the forwards and big guards they have
all over the roster, which is a

1033
01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:48,199
rare situation to be in as an
NBA team. Are you ready just bit

1034
01:04:48,239 --> 01:04:51,079
fire on Oklahoma City? Oh boy, yeah, this is a big one.

1035
01:04:53,119 --> 01:04:55,920
They basically dan can do anything they
want. Are you aware of that?

1036
01:04:56,079 --> 01:05:00,840
They have more draft assets than God
and are really really good and so

1037
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,800
they should be in the market for
well yeah, like more, seriously,

1038
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:09,280
like you know, we could enumerate
all of the first round picks. I

1039
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:13,119
forget how much it is, like
either they have eleven they can trade in

1040
01:05:13,159 --> 01:05:15,440
twenty one seconds, or Utah has
eleven and they have fourteen. Whatever it

1041
01:05:15,519 --> 01:05:21,440
is, the Thunder have the ability
to make a godfather offer that like maybe

1042
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:26,360
only a couple other teams could match
for literally anyone they want. We like,

1043
01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:30,960
I know, both the idea of
a like a bulky, like bruising,

1044
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:34,719
physical four or five guy that you
play with Chet to sort of mitigate

1045
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:39,000
the types of players that bother him, that just kind of overpower him so

1046
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,400
he can be shielded a little bit. And again this is another like Jaron

1047
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,360
Jackson thing where Chet's shooting means you
could do a lot of different stuff at

1048
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:49,159
that other front court spot. You
can use that position to fill, you

1049
01:05:49,199 --> 01:05:54,079
know, to checkboxes that you wouldn't
otherwise be able to check with that position,

1050
01:05:54,840 --> 01:06:00,440
playmaking, physical defense, like all
that stuff. I agree with what

1051
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:01,880
you said there, I'm also wondering, and this doesn't seem to check the

1052
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,679
box because there's such a good three
point shooting team and such a good offense

1053
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:10,920
overall, how do you feel about
the need for them to have another ball

1054
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:15,519
handler shooter type who could potentially help
them more in the playoffs. And the

1055
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:18,519
genesis of that idea for me is
even when Josh Giddy is having his highs,

1056
01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:21,719
teams are gonna throw their opposing bigs
on him and have them roam.

1057
01:06:23,239 --> 01:06:26,320
And we've even seen games where it's
like, oh, Lou Dort and Josh

1058
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:30,000
Giddy are both off the floor and
crunch time, and so do you become

1059
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,880
a little bit more indiscriminate and say
we'll get whoever on the perimeter as long

1060
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:36,000
as they can close over one,
because right now it feels like, yes,

1061
01:06:36,079 --> 01:06:40,800
ideally you have your top five,
or if you're looking at Isaiah Joe

1062
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:44,599
Kendrick, Will was like, between
those seven, you have whatever closing unit

1063
01:06:44,639 --> 01:06:48,440
you actually want. But if it's
a question for both Dort and Gideon certain

1064
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:50,719
matchups, like now it's time to
be like, hey, we need to

1065
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:55,639
open up the I understand there.
We both would love Larry market in here.

1066
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,239
We'd love to see them just be
like, hey, yeah, we'll

1067
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,599
make the nets trade mchal bridges.
They're not gonna do that, and so

1068
01:07:00,639 --> 01:07:03,639
we have to be more realistic here. But I also think that they're good

1069
01:07:03,719 --> 01:07:08,320
enough to where you can't just let
this marinate. Like I'm not saying go

1070
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:11,800
out and get a star, but
go get somebody. And if it's rolling

1071
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:15,760
over the Damas Berton salary slot and
this is I guess it's a complaint,

1072
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,400
but it's not. I don't ever
want to be aggregated because I don't handle

1073
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:24,840
I'm very criticism makes me sad,
and I'll just automatically assume I'm wrong when

1074
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:29,000
people get mad up, like we
got aggregated because Keith Smith mentioned John Collins

1075
01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:30,079
as a TradeCard for them. Do
you know how many times you and I

1076
01:07:30,119 --> 01:07:32,880
have talked about John Collins as a
trade parkeet for the Thunder before that,

1077
01:07:34,199 --> 01:07:40,119
I know more than one for sure. Yeah, And so it's just like,

1078
01:07:40,119 --> 01:07:42,400
but it got asked. I'm just
I'm tied between. I don't really

1079
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:44,880
want to get aggregated to that.
I don't know how Keith deals with having

1080
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:47,119
one hundred thousand followers, just like
I didn't know we got aggregated. So

1081
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:51,719
we do get aggregated with jazz content. Something like an aggregation now is people

1082
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:56,719
quoting it on Twitter. Jazz the
jazz fandom is like pretty big about quoting

1083
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,119
us about our opinions on the Jazz, so shout out to them, but

1084
01:08:00,039 --> 01:08:01,719
uh, they also did aggregate stuff
that Keith said, by the way,

1085
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:08,440
So uh, my point is,
if you're gonna just roll the Damas Bretons

1086
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,639
salary slot into a player who's on
the books for next season and more useful,

1087
01:08:12,079 --> 01:08:15,880
make sure that's someone that who's actually
gonna play. And John Collins would

1088
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,119
be That makes sense to me.
But I have some other names here that

1089
01:08:18,159 --> 01:08:20,800
I would like to throw at you. Okay, again, they're not star

1090
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:26,199
names. I'm gonna go in reverse
order. This one's not about this season,

1091
01:08:26,199 --> 01:08:30,159
and it would be the most Sam
Presty move possible. Robert Williams the

1092
01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:33,920
third, Yeah, I saw that. I kind of love that. I

1093
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,760
kind of love that I did have
him for next season. You don't need

1094
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:40,920
him to play a ton of minutes. I'm I want them to do something

1095
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:45,359
better. But like if it's gonna
cost a first and a young one of

1096
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:48,720
your like Aaron Wiggins is or like
even Usman Jangs at the Aaron Wiggins is

1097
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:53,039
playing great form, that's like they
have so much talent. That's something I

1098
01:08:53,039 --> 01:08:55,760
could see Sam Presti thinking about.
I'm just curious what you thought that's a

1099
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,840
long term play. No, I
kind of love that, But I want

1100
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,560
to go back to to what you
said about you know, they can't we

1101
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:05,640
fixated on this four or five thing, but like it is the Giddy spot

1102
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:11,279
that you can just sort of try
to upgrade in a number of different ways.

1103
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:15,640
Ultimately, Uh, because that and
that, like and because it would

1104
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:23,039
involve trading Josh Giddy probably like you
definitely could get away from this deadline making

1105
01:09:23,079 --> 01:09:26,680
meaningful improvements without giving up a bunch
of first because there are teams I think

1106
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,600
they would view Giddy as like,
oh shit, like that's a real asset,

1107
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:32,239
and Antonio would be run our team
like this is a point guard that's

1108
01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:34,800
six's eight, Like that's awesome.
We can figure out the shooting. And

1109
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:39,640
I do wonder if the off court
stuff with the alleged relationship with a minor

1110
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:44,520
would But we're seeing the pretty heavy
interest from Detroit and Phoenix, maybe the

1111
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,800
Lakers and Miles Bridges and he doesn't
even have bird rights yea, though the

1112
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:50,720
interest is still there. I just
I feel like we have to just mention

1113
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:54,279
it. I'm not we're talking basketball
fit purely, but I didn't want to

1114
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,560
not mention it. No, it's
probably still a factor for teams that are

1115
01:09:57,560 --> 01:09:59,920
interested. No, I'm not even
saying trade him, by the way,

1116
01:10:00,199 --> 01:10:01,960
I'm just saying, and you,
this is an excellent point by you.

1117
01:10:02,039 --> 01:10:04,840
Is it's not well we need another
guard like, no, you can use

1118
01:10:05,319 --> 01:10:08,720
like if you think John Collins is
going to stretch the floor, provide you

1119
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,640
more rebounding and crunch time and just
help you more than Giddy or Dort in

1120
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,479
certain matchups, that's a way to
upgrade that spot. What do you think

1121
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:15,640
of that? I don't think you
got into it, Keith. John Collins

1122
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:18,000
is on my list for that reason. He's not. I think I had

1123
01:10:18,079 --> 01:10:23,279
him third. I won't spoil the
other names yet I had him third of

1124
01:10:23,399 --> 01:10:26,760
five ranking them. I don't know. I don't love John Collins as much

1125
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,720
as Robert Williams is like really intriguing, But Robert Williams isn't gonna help.

1126
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:31,760
Like if part of what we're talking
about with the thunder is like which we

1127
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,079
have you know, yeah, I
get it, you're young. You don't

1128
01:10:35,079 --> 01:10:39,079
want to skip steps. But it's
also like the windows open when it's open,

1129
01:10:39,079 --> 01:10:42,479
and you don't know how long it's
gonna stay that way. So is

1130
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,039
Robert william Yeah, Robert Williams.
Robert Williams is the most sam Presty thing

1131
01:10:45,079 --> 01:10:48,560
ever, because it's just another like
let's let's get this as you know,

1132
01:10:49,039 --> 01:10:51,640
kick the king down the road,
let's get this asset for later. So

1133
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:56,279
you like that idea though better then
let's get Collins now? Is it because

1134
01:10:56,279 --> 01:10:58,159
he has two years left in his
deal? Well, I don't know.

1135
01:10:58,199 --> 01:11:00,960
I mean it seems like just such
the smart val you play like, that's

1136
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:03,600
a flyer that's so worth taking for
them, partly because they just have like

1137
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:08,079
they're playing with so much house money. But Colins would help him now that's

1138
01:11:08,119 --> 01:11:12,359
and also that probably doesn't cost you, at least not a real like it

1139
01:11:12,399 --> 01:11:15,880
would be maybe your weakest first or
just a player who's already on the roster

1140
01:11:16,039 --> 01:11:20,119
that's not mission critical to your I
don't know that Utah's not going to get

1141
01:11:20,359 --> 01:11:24,640
unless they're taking on really bad money. And Davias Breton's could basically come off

1142
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:29,520
the books after next year with this
partial guarantee, So I think the appeal

1143
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:30,800
would be from the Thunder's perspectives,
Well, we just get to roll over

1144
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:34,399
all our assets as well while upgrading
in rotations but yeah, I mean there's

1145
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:38,600
a ton of guys that make sense. I like Bruce Brown makes sense there.

1146
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:42,159
I think just as the Giddy Spot
upgrade basically, or even Dort.

1147
01:11:42,199 --> 01:11:45,159
If you're not comfortable closing with dirt, you can throw Bruce Brown out there.

1148
01:11:45,159 --> 01:11:46,640
You lose a little defense, but
you get the shooting and playmaking.

1149
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:50,359
There's, you know, and again
you can almost not throw out a guy

1150
01:11:50,399 --> 01:11:53,399
that you'd say like, oh,
I'll never get him. Like if you

1151
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,960
want Bruce Brown, you can go
get Bruce Brown. If you're the thunder,

1152
01:11:56,159 --> 01:12:00,520
that's not hard. So Collins was
three for me. Rob Williams was

1153
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:02,760
five, just because if he was
playing right now, he would be higher

1154
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:08,640
up for sure. Number four for
me was Isaiah Stewart poison Pill. But

1155
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:14,720
he's we've seen he's just a tryhard
icon and so like he's not rebounding.

1156
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,760
He's injured right now as an ankle
issue. He's not rebounding as much in

1157
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:20,920
Detroit. But that's kind of what
happens when you're playing alongside other traditional bigs

1158
01:12:21,239 --> 01:12:25,640
with Chet there, they don't really
overlap with each other where they want to

1159
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:28,439
be, and he can Isaiah Stewart
can still give you some five out setups

1160
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,239
or you're just gonna be playing him
more at center and okase I would imagine,

1161
01:12:31,319 --> 01:12:33,600
And so I like that as Oh
that's another asset. He's not making

1162
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:38,640
a ton of money and he fits
the ethos of go Go Go. And

1163
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:42,039
then I have two more who I
like better than my top two. Coming

1164
01:12:42,039 --> 01:12:45,119
in at number two is Denni Afdia, another poison pill for this team.

1165
01:12:45,159 --> 01:12:48,880
Different How different is he from Giddy? A lot a million times better defender,

1166
01:12:49,039 --> 01:12:51,920
but like and I guess a better
shooter. He is pretty different,

1167
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:56,479
but like is he? I don't
know why I'm talking down Afdia. It

1168
01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:00,640
just struck me as they they might
have some similar like hiccups as as fifth

1169
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:05,439
guys in a better He's a better
scorer, yeah, from basically every level

1170
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:10,239
than Giddy right now. It's just
the volume with him. Giddy's more willing

1171
01:13:10,279 --> 01:13:13,399
to take shots right now, and
so there's the value with that. This

1172
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:15,560
is my single most favorite target for
them. Did you see it already?

1173
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:18,720
I did? I did, But
it's really good, Kayla Martin. Yeah,

1174
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:20,920
he's gonna be a free agent because
he has a player options, so

1175
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:25,239
maybe the Heat are worried about his
price point. They're also within the realm

1176
01:13:25,239 --> 01:13:28,640
of ducking the tax. The Thunder
can't do it for them. They can

1177
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:32,199
compensate another team though, to take
on money that would help the Heat in

1178
01:13:32,199 --> 01:13:35,199
addition to getting off Kayla Martin whoever, that would get them under the tax.

1179
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:39,279
I love Kayla Martin for this team. Yeah. The more I think

1180
01:13:39,279 --> 01:13:42,840
about it, like just gap filling
everywhere he's You want him to upgrade the

1181
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:45,399
dort spot, you want him to
upgrade the Gidda spot, you want him

1182
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:48,079
to not close. Does everything and
he can put it forward. He'll get

1183
01:13:48,079 --> 01:13:51,079
you some rebounding as well. Yeah. I like that a lot. And

1184
01:13:51,079 --> 01:13:55,800
and just like the toughness and the
and the I don't know. I think

1185
01:13:56,119 --> 01:13:59,159
the versatility and the toughness and the
experience and the I don't know. We

1186
01:13:59,239 --> 01:14:00,840
talk about his experien it's like he's
been in a million playoff runs, but

1187
01:14:01,039 --> 01:14:03,920
I don't know, he's just built
for it, you know, the finals,

1188
01:14:04,119 --> 01:14:08,079
so's he's seen. He's seen it
at least a little bit. And

1189
01:14:08,159 --> 01:14:11,039
now they're a fascinating team. I
hope they do something. Who's there most

1190
01:14:11,079 --> 01:14:18,960
likely to be traded? Is it
like is he Domas Breton's Is it we

1191
01:14:19,039 --> 01:14:23,640
really just believe they're going to roll
his salary slot. Can we agree?

1192
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:28,479
Can we agree it probably should be
Giddy because I think I've already sort of

1193
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:31,159
decided like he I don't think he's
a core piece going forward, and I

1194
01:14:31,159 --> 01:14:34,239
think they should kind of feel that
way too. I mean, well,

1195
01:14:34,279 --> 01:14:36,760
it's I don't think Giddy is the
most likely, but I think there's such

1196
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:40,880
a logical case for him being the
guy that they there's a case. I

1197
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:45,399
think there's a risk reward basis of
well removing him now, like maybe it

1198
01:14:45,399 --> 01:14:47,520
makes more sense over the summer when
other teams are recalibrating their directions. But

1199
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:51,439
if you go through a playoff run
and he's bad, right back to to

1200
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:56,479
torpedo his value. However, if
he's good, which we've seen him be

1201
01:14:56,520 --> 01:15:00,399
really good, then his values through
the roof. For maybe, Yeah,

1202
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:02,640
that's the problem you would prefer to
have, Oh my god, he actually

1203
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,880
is really great, Like we'll work, we can work from there, as

1204
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:10,039
opposed to, oh, he tanked
and now we can't trade him for anything.

1205
01:15:10,159 --> 01:15:14,600
That's a worst problem, I would
argue on Briton's I think the thunder

1206
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,800
will make a medium sized splash.
It won't be huge, but I think

1207
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:21,079
they roll over his salary slot.
Yeah, I think that makes sense for

1208
01:15:21,119 --> 01:15:26,239
them. I'll go with you on
that one. This brings us to the

1209
01:15:26,319 --> 01:15:30,439
Phoenix Suns, who really have nothing
to trade. They don't want to trade

1210
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:33,119
Grayson Allen, and I get it. I think I've seen so many people

1211
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:36,239
and shout out to the Timeline podcast. They've been all over this. They

1212
01:15:36,239 --> 01:15:40,479
don't need. I know the turnover
rate's an issue, but like they have

1213
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:43,159
some other stuff that I think is
just going to normalize. Their turnover rate

1214
01:15:43,239 --> 01:15:45,039
is fine when the big three are
on the court. They've had some fourth

1215
01:15:45,119 --> 01:15:49,239
quarter meltdowns, but I was looking
grant through the first three quarters of the

1216
01:15:49,359 --> 01:15:54,560
game. They have an effective field
goal percentage on wide open jumpers of about

1217
01:15:54,600 --> 01:16:00,920
sixty three sixty four. That plummets
to forty six in in the fourth quarter,

1218
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:03,359
and it's the second lowest behind only
the Lakers. By the way,

1219
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:08,239
shout out to the Lakers. There's
just weird shit going on. I know

1220
01:16:08,319 --> 01:16:12,439
defenses are more inclined to put pressure
on their best players, but I still

1221
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:15,720
just don't buy that they need another
ball handler. I'm focusing more on can

1222
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:20,279
they upgrade some of the wing spots
or get an athletic big in here for

1223
01:16:20,319 --> 01:16:26,560
what they can offer, which is
very very very little. Yeah, that

1224
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:30,720
I would like to I didn't know
that stat about the third court the first

1225
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:32,760
three quarters versus the fourth quarter for
them. You could spin that data another

1226
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,760
way though, and say, like
that is evidence that they struggle to create

1227
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:40,159
good shots. You know, I
guess you're just talking about wide open they're

1228
01:16:40,199 --> 01:16:43,479
getting wide open jumpers or they're not
hitting them. Well, okay, so

1229
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:46,760
then maybe it's because the playmaking load's
too heavy on their best players and they

1230
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:49,600
get tired, and that's what I
don't know. Yeah, that's it is

1231
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:55,039
interesting. You could say that's just
they need depth. So you're not playing

1232
01:16:55,159 --> 01:16:58,359
Kevin Durant thirty seven minutes in book
or thirty six or something, and they're

1233
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:00,319
missing shots they normally make. They're
tired. It's like the Luca thing,

1234
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,359
whereas splits were always terrible. You
know, second half is worse than the

1235
01:17:03,359 --> 01:17:06,000
first, fourth quarters, worse than
all the others, just because he's gassed.

1236
01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:10,039
Yeah, No, you're right,
like they can sort of. They

1237
01:17:10,039 --> 01:17:14,159
don't need to be confined to the
point guard spot, especially when you consider

1238
01:17:14,239 --> 01:17:16,960
like when they get to the games
they really care about, Like how many

1239
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:21,399
minutes are you giving this hypothetical backup
point guard anyway, Like you're gonna sink

1240
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:26,199
or swim by giving all your best
guys forty minutes. So I don't know

1241
01:17:26,199 --> 01:17:30,760
if that needs to be your focus, Like you know, Alex Caruso would

1242
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:34,239
be awesome. I think right,
it's more realistic, But they just won't

1243
01:17:34,239 --> 01:17:38,680
have the tools to get Even Delon
Wright might be someone that like, we

1244
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:41,399
can't do it. We just we
don't have it. I don't I don't

1245
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:46,079
know how they do anything significant?
Could they get I mean Naji Marshall would

1246
01:17:46,079 --> 01:17:49,720
be good for them. You get
into the gamesmanship of what the Pelicans do

1247
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:55,359
something to help someone they consider a
rival, Like that's I need to know,

1248
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:58,720
like because if you gave up,
I don't know if if nos Little

1249
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:02,039
is like you're matching salary? Do
you have? Like what seconds can they

1250
01:18:02,079 --> 01:18:04,279
even move? I don't have the
list open in front. I think the

1251
01:18:04,279 --> 01:18:08,520
most intriguing seconds they have are Memphis
is in twenty eight and twenty nine.

1252
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:13,560
Are the most intriguing seconds that they
have twenty yeah, because otherwise you're talking

1253
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:16,399
about Denver's twenty four, San Antonio's
twenty four, but it has protection.

1254
01:18:17,359 --> 01:18:19,720
Yeah, I just I don't think
it's specified yet, you know what,

1255
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:23,000
I kind of contemplate a little bit
for them, as if he were really

1256
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,640
looking at duck a tax. I
want to see if Kayla Martin could fit

1257
01:18:26,119 --> 01:18:29,520
into the campaign trade exception. He
can't. It's so close, So I

1258
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:31,520
think he were really gung ho about
ducking the tax. I mean, you

1259
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:35,119
could send out salary, but now
you need to compensate other teams to get

1260
01:18:35,119 --> 01:18:39,760
to it. So that would be
like super duper, way too ambitious.

1261
01:18:40,199 --> 01:18:43,119
I have Royce O'Neill, they could
get to his money, and because they

1262
01:18:43,119 --> 01:18:45,960
have seconds, like if you got
both those Memphis seconds of Brooklyn, you

1263
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,439
just do it. How are you
getting to is? What do you need

1264
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:50,600
to give up? Salary wise to
get to O'Neill. He's at nine and

1265
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:56,359
a half, so they need to
get within one hundred and ten percent of

1266
01:18:56,399 --> 01:18:58,920
that. And what is Naji?
Do you know what? Not Naji?

1267
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:02,079
Though he's not a little six point
three million, so like that's already almost

1268
01:19:02,079 --> 01:19:06,640
so like six point three plus like
one of their minimums. I believe that's

1269
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:11,119
where something like you should be you
should be able. It might need to

1270
01:19:11,119 --> 01:19:14,319
be a three for one where you
rally in a third team perhaps, but

1271
01:19:15,239 --> 01:19:18,439
like, is that is that not
enough for Royce O'Neill. If you're I

1272
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:23,800
don't know, it might be enough. And I think O'Neil definitely would would

1273
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:27,000
play. I would say I would
think he would. I mean, like,

1274
01:19:27,039 --> 01:19:30,920
it gets a little bit weird with
just because he's so he's more trustworthy

1275
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:32,600
on the offensive end and he can
guard up, so I would think.

1276
01:19:34,079 --> 01:19:38,319
But so if you're Phoenix, then
let's let's frame it this way. If

1277
01:19:38,319 --> 01:19:41,680
it's not little and you mentioned Damian
Lee's money, I think that should get

1278
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:44,520
them there. Let me double check, Yeah, that gets to Royce O'Neill.

1279
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:48,560
If it's two seconds, that money, Like I told you what seconds

1280
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:51,279
would be Memphis in twenty eight and
twenty nine? Would you do it and

1281
01:19:51,319 --> 01:19:58,239
O'Neil's expiring, right, Yeah,
I think I probably do that for a

1282
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:00,680
couple teams would do that. Yeah, Well, I think I think Phoenix

1283
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:05,359
probably is the easier one, although
like, yeah, and I think he

1284
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:11,279
probably would. That's another question though, like what what could you get in

1285
01:20:11,319 --> 01:20:14,960
the off season for notslittle in those
seconds? Is there something better? Like

1286
01:20:15,359 --> 01:20:16,640
I mean, like I just I
just don't know. I don't know how

1287
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:20,600
to gauge that. I think when
you're when you're this team, and like

1288
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:24,199
a team like the Lakers, like
Dallas might be able to talk itself into

1289
01:20:24,239 --> 01:20:27,239
patients the same with Okay, see
in New Orleans, the Phoenix doesn't have

1290
01:20:27,239 --> 01:20:30,159
the luxury of like, well let's
see what happened. No, you came

1291
01:20:30,279 --> 01:20:32,680
up everything to go with the title. Right now, how do we feel

1292
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:36,960
about the center spot? I know
I've been sort of too like not supportive

1293
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:41,159
of use of Nurkic as a good
center generally speaking, but he's like been

1294
01:20:41,199 --> 01:20:43,560
a lot better than I made him
out to be this year, and you

1295
01:20:44,159 --> 01:20:47,159
like and U Banks as a backup
is fine? Like is there he's actually

1296
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:50,680
the past few games he's been fined
by and large, he's not been disappointed.

1297
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:54,039
I thought he was one of the
best minimum signings and hasn't been that

1298
01:20:54,079 --> 01:20:56,960
good. But yeah, he's been
better. So like, is that a

1299
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,039
spot? I mean, do we
go back to the well, how do

1300
01:20:59,079 --> 01:21:01,439
we find a for that fits in
a closing lineup on a playoff team?

1301
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:04,279
Is do we go back to the
on that again clothing lineup? But a

1302
01:21:04,359 --> 01:21:09,199
take? Could we get someone to
eat minutes Nick Richards five million dollars,

1303
01:21:09,199 --> 01:21:13,000
they could get to that, like
that might matter. We're just gonna close

1304
01:21:13,039 --> 01:21:15,800
with Nurkic, Like, that's that's
what I think. Richards would give you

1305
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:19,479
another option to close with in addition
to well, maybe we'll just run Kevin

1306
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:23,680
Duran at the five in the playoffs. That's yeah, I guess that's the

1307
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:26,479
Katie at the five against a lot
of teams. Is probably you get away

1308
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:30,600
with that. I don't really have
another name. I thought about, how

1309
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:32,439
about the other Martin brother. His
stock is in the toilet, but he's

1310
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:35,560
like, kind of I think he's
a better How different could he be?

1311
01:21:38,279 --> 01:21:40,800
He's under contract for a while though, but you could get to his number

1312
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:43,600
with nos Little and another deal.
Yeah, are you? I'm a little

1313
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:46,319
disappointed in nos Little didn't just like
seize more minutes for this team. I

1314
01:21:46,319 --> 01:21:49,600
thought there was a decent chance that
might happen. We should have We both

1315
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:53,560
very much. Actually you were more
critical, not critical, but skeptical of

1316
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:56,960
they're just gonna be relying on guys
who are available for these minimums for a

1317
01:21:57,039 --> 01:22:00,359
reason, or they were able to
get nos Little for a reason. And

1318
01:22:00,399 --> 01:22:01,199
I was just like, no,
they did a great job, and it's

1319
01:22:01,239 --> 01:22:04,760
like, whenever that happens again,
I'm gonna be more cogniteant of saying it.

1320
01:22:05,039 --> 01:22:10,159
Even if they are good by the
minimum, it still creates a culture

1321
01:22:10,319 --> 01:22:14,680
of ambiguity because you're gonna have to
fuz and fiddle and change things up because

1322
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:17,079
there's the reason these guys available at
the minimum is they're not night to night

1323
01:22:17,079 --> 01:22:19,880
guys. Nos Little, they didn't
sign. I understand that, but he

1324
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:23,960
fits into that motif. I mean, don't be too hard on yourself.

1325
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:28,319
I'm for sure have said several times
that they nailed all these minimums and like

1326
01:22:28,399 --> 01:22:31,279
we're just phenomenal across the board.
No, I remember you were more skeptical

1327
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:35,159
than I was. That's that tends
to be the case. Do we do

1328
01:22:35,239 --> 01:22:39,640
most player most likely be traded.
It's gotta be nos Little, right.

1329
01:22:40,119 --> 01:22:42,880
Yeah, it's like if you're gonna
do anything more than if you're gonna do

1330
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,760
anything that sort of matters, you
just need his number, right or are

1331
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:47,800
they gonna be because matt ishbo are
gonna get pocketshi and be like we gave

1332
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:50,800
all these guys player options. We
just need to dump some of these minimums

1333
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:55,000
so we don't get taxed on the
player option. Well, don't those guys

1334
01:22:55,239 --> 01:22:58,399
I should know this, But don't
those guys get like implied no trade clauses

1335
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:00,840
when you do that. No,
not if they are not like if they

1336
01:23:01,319 --> 01:23:03,840
had their bird rights, it would
be like the setup that we saw where

1337
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:08,279
D'Angelo Russell had to give up like
he had a wavers no trade clause.

1338
01:23:08,319 --> 01:23:13,159
Those guys were just signed off the
street. Another red flag. Perhaps they're

1339
01:23:13,199 --> 01:23:17,880
so good though Portland, they're just
in straight. They're not listening to offers.

1340
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:20,920
Reportingly on Jeremy Grant. I don't
believe that, but it's sort of

1341
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:25,680
Here's how I would frame what they
should do with the trade deadline is be

1342
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,600
open to anything, but it should
basically be okay, well, who are

1343
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:32,920
the best players we could get for
Malcolm Brogden and I will I'll read you

1344
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:35,640
my list. That's just the only
way to frame Portland. I've been happy,

1345
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:39,560
like Scoots seems happy with his role
when he's come off the bench at

1346
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:42,239
points. He hasn't closed certain games. That's been a little weird. But

1347
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:45,359
so my two high end options for
them, Like, if you're Orlando,

1348
01:23:45,399 --> 01:23:49,319
do you think about giving up Anthony
Black? If it gets you Malcolm Brogden,

1349
01:23:49,399 --> 01:23:53,640
if that's just salary and Anthony Black
is the compensation or no, too

1350
01:23:54,119 --> 01:23:58,920
rich. I think it's a little
early for Orlando to do that with that

1351
01:23:59,039 --> 01:24:02,560
high of a pick. Yeah.
I have nas reed on here because of

1352
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:10,279
the Brogden stuff I mentioned before.
Yeah, I mean he's not the He's

1353
01:24:10,319 --> 01:24:13,840
not the same kind of asset I
want Portland to be targeting. I think

1354
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:17,079
I think you need why why he's
twenty three? Well? Is he?

1355
01:24:18,079 --> 01:24:21,159
I lied, he's twenty four?
Is he for sure? Yeah? I

1356
01:24:21,199 --> 01:24:26,000
don't know. I mean he's He's
probably better than DeAndre Ay just in a

1357
01:24:26,319 --> 01:24:30,479
in a vacuum. DeAndre has nothing
to prove because he's a max player and

1358
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:33,720
he plays like he has. Maybe
maybe it feels weird to me because Reid

1359
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:41,279
isn't like a speculative like oh,
superstar upside but might be broken forever type

1360
01:24:41,319 --> 01:24:45,039
that. I feel like that even
if you're trading Jeremy Grant, you're not

1361
01:24:45,079 --> 01:24:47,640
gonna get the Yeah, Like,
even if I agree with you that's the

1362
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:51,079
magic, probably say no if it's
if it's Malcolm Brogden and you're sweetening it

1363
01:24:51,119 --> 01:24:55,039
a little bit on your end,
Like maybe you get there, but in

1364
01:24:55,119 --> 01:24:58,279
a vacuum, like, who's the
best young player you could get for Jeremy

1365
01:24:58,279 --> 01:25:00,960
Grant? You like, would here's
here's one, assuming they could get into

1366
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:03,000
money, but it would cost buddy
heals. I think that's a no go.

1367
01:25:03,119 --> 01:25:05,800
But like, if you're the Pacers, would you even give up Jaris

1368
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:09,920
Walker for Jeremy Grant after saying we're
not gonna give him up for basketball?

1369
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:15,439
Siakam, Well, I mean I
would. I think you're like you are

1370
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:19,359
the living embodiment of the fu Fu
them kids meme. Well, yeah,

1371
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:24,119
I just I mean, Jeremy Grant's
not like thirty five, so I mean

1372
01:25:24,159 --> 01:25:27,800
he's gonna be he's gonna be adder
near and you know, ending his prime,

1373
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:31,000
probably at the over the life of
this fairly long contract. Like you

1374
01:25:31,039 --> 01:25:34,840
know, Jaris Walker might turn into
something, but like he makes way more

1375
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:39,039
sense on Portland than he does on
Indiana at this point, just because Indiana

1376
01:25:39,159 --> 01:25:43,600
is good already and he's not ready
to help yet. Yeah, I don't

1377
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:47,479
know. Jeremy Grant, Siakam in
the same front court suddenly are good on

1378
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:51,560
defense. Now, It's like that
is that what happens is that too much

1379
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:56,199
of having Jeremy Grant at the three
or you okay with that because Turner is

1380
01:25:56,239 --> 01:25:59,079
there too, I don't mind it. I think if you've got three front

1381
01:25:59,079 --> 01:26:01,920
court guys that can all move like
pretty well. Here's Here's the other thing

1382
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:06,520
I didn't frame and when I wrote
because I wrote about this is I actually

1383
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:11,520
says if you traded Anthony Simons to
Orlando and can get Anthony Black, so

1384
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:15,640
you're not getting any first, but
you get Anthony Black and salaries that that's

1385
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:17,880
more of a conversation, right,
Yeah, that's more of a conversation for

1386
01:26:18,039 --> 01:26:24,680
Orlando. Yeah, definitely. I
mean I kind of love Simons on Orlando.

1387
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:27,800
I think we've probably talked about him
as a as as my top target

1388
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:30,920
for them and something that I'm publishing. I have a big board of or

1389
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:32,439
I guess it's a small board because
it's five targets for each team, but

1390
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:35,640
believing me, that's a lot of
work, a lot of boards. I

1391
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:39,840
have three other names to throw at
you here, though this is your flyer.

1392
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:42,720
He doesn't have superstar upside, but
I will be forever obsessed with him

1393
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:45,880
because he is just a human slingshot
and can defend all over it. He's

1394
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:49,680
like anarchic. It's kind of like
in the same vein as Chris Bouchet,

1395
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:55,560
but he's even more unpredictable than peak
Chris Bouchet. JT. Thor that that

1396
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:58,960
is not a name I expected to
see here. Well, that's just Flyer

1397
01:26:59,039 --> 01:27:00,640
City. It's okay, we're not
moving any of our core guys to Charlotte.

1398
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:04,279
It's just you know, we have
our front court is and I think,

1399
01:27:04,319 --> 01:27:08,079
look, I want to make it
clear. We've seen some good stretches

1400
01:27:08,079 --> 01:27:11,600
from dwap Wreath to Bari Walker,
but it's sort of like, okay,

1401
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:14,399
if DeAndre Ayton is going to be
this, I'll put a kindly and say

1402
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:16,479
inconsistent. And we've dealt with some
injuries in the front court. Like JT.

1403
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:18,680
Thort can give you minutes of the
four of the five and he can

1404
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:23,239
defend really every position. I'm just
very high on j. T. Thorpe.

1405
01:27:23,279 --> 01:27:26,960
So that's my Flyer one. I
have two others Jonathan Isaac for this

1406
01:27:27,039 --> 01:27:29,520
team. So you are doing some
sort of a trade with Brogden or Simon's

1407
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:32,680
in Orlando. He makes sense as
like we're talking about Flyers and then that's

1408
01:27:33,039 --> 01:27:35,720
that's what I want. That's the
type of player I want, Well,

1409
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:43,600
how about this player, Grant Williams
interesting and you would like is the so

1410
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:47,000
what are you giving up just hypothetically
so that either get him back as part

1411
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:51,520
of the salary match or does Dallas
just want to get rid of him?

1412
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:56,760
But at that point, I mean, look Portland's salary matching, it's okay,

1413
01:27:56,760 --> 01:28:00,079
does Dallas want Brogden? I don't
know why you already have and yeah,

1414
01:28:00,119 --> 01:28:04,319
probably not so they don't like Portland
doesn't have these I mean, Ayton,

1415
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:09,000
I'm sure they might gladly trade at
this point, but Dallas doesn't want

1416
01:28:09,079 --> 01:28:13,680
him, I mean, and Dallas
isn't gonna want r W three. Dallas

1417
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:16,520
cannot I've seen, unless I'm missing
something, I've seen a lot of Latists

1418
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:20,319
bible to Dallas. They can't trade
for him for a year, So not

1419
01:28:20,399 --> 01:28:24,399
only have the ability to get him
unless it's part of a so you're gonna

1420
01:28:24,399 --> 01:28:29,000
get Jeremy Grant and or if you're
trading Jeremy Grant for Dallas's prospects in first

1421
01:28:29,079 --> 01:28:31,239
rounders. I like the idea of
Grant Williams is part of the salary match.

1422
01:28:31,319 --> 01:28:36,279
Yeah, basically one other flyer,
second drafty type guy just Patrick Williams.

1423
01:28:36,319 --> 01:28:40,159
I'm sure I've tried to send him
to every like kind of bad team.

1424
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:43,319
What do you like? What do
you give up for him? I

1425
01:28:43,319 --> 01:28:45,880
don't know whatever. I'm not thinking
about the bulls side of this. This

1426
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,199
is the type of player I think
you should be going for. If you're

1427
01:28:48,239 --> 01:28:53,560
Portland, You've got this this little
grace period happening because everybody's happy with your

1428
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:56,800
young core basically, and you're one
year out of the post Dame. You're

1429
01:28:56,840 --> 01:29:00,479
in the post Dame. Time take
a shot on Patrick Williams. Not I'm

1430
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:02,680
gonpecially the next team too. Is
there one need you would like to see

1431
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:05,760
them address? I think it's I
would like to see just because Grant is

1432
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:10,000
already there. But it's like,
do we have a long term four or

1433
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:15,159
five really on Portland right now?
I think Tomani Kamara comes closest. No,

1434
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:17,560
And that's fine. Yeah, Kamara. I like a lot about Kamara,

1435
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:20,960
but he's not I mean, if
he's the if he's the be all

1436
01:29:21,039 --> 01:29:25,079
end all at that spot for the
next half decade, I'll be pretty surprised.

1437
01:29:25,159 --> 01:29:29,159
Yeah. I just might need to
look into whether matt Ishbia and Slash

1438
01:29:29,199 --> 01:29:32,800
James Jones are bad like negotiators to
where they can't even win any of the

1439
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:35,920
smaller act, like they gave up
everything to the next Riki if they didn't

1440
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:39,119
win anything. They even lost Jake
Crowder in that deal. And then they

1441
01:29:39,159 --> 01:29:43,239
couldn't even keep Timani Kamara as part
of the DeAndre eight and dump. And

1442
01:29:43,279 --> 01:29:45,439
it's not like that was unforeseeable because
there were a lot of Suns people that

1443
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:50,479
were like, you know, bummed
to see Kamara go. I looked,

1444
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:54,960
I had to watch to Monic kamoraw
more of his Summer League stuff because the

1445
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:58,479
Timeline guys before the deal told me, like, this is a guy.

1446
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:00,800
So it's just like it wasn't this
isn't like, oh, they couldn't have

1447
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:05,520
known, like the fans knew.
There was a wide swath of Phoenix related

1448
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:09,720
people that were aware that he was
going to be like a really good defensive

1449
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:15,239
player at minimum starting immediately most likely
to be traded. I think it's Brogden.

1450
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:20,960
I'm trying to think there's anyone even
in the same like level as him,

1451
01:30:21,199 --> 01:30:25,359
Like he's a He's such a definite
to me. Do you think that

1452
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:28,920
they could consider moving r W three
just with the but I guess eighton's been

1453
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:33,359
so bad. I just think Brogden, you know, he's he can play

1454
01:30:33,359 --> 01:30:35,960
the one and the two, and
he's a veteran and he's on a manageable

1455
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:40,159
deal and it's not that long,
like he just he's gonna be so into

1456
01:30:40,279 --> 01:30:42,640
it's got to be Brogden. I
can't. I can't, like you know,

1457
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:45,880
Galaxy brain that it's got to be
brogged in. What do they do?

1458
01:30:46,079 --> 01:30:51,520
I'm very I'm not there with the
Kings as we know what they need,

1459
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:55,640
and that's just because you look in
like their offense has been walkie at

1460
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:59,479
points this year, so I get
it, but they really just need like

1461
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:03,600
playoff level defenders on their team,
probably be those who don't torpedo. They're

1462
01:31:04,159 --> 01:31:09,039
floor balance in a half court.
But I just they're a good team,

1463
01:31:09,279 --> 01:31:11,199
but they might be somewhere. I'm
like, well, maybe you should just

1464
01:31:11,239 --> 01:31:15,640
wait until the offseason, because what
is your best who is are their names

1465
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:17,239
or needs that it's just okay,
well I would make this deal now,

1466
01:31:17,279 --> 01:31:21,039
and let's get I just look at
the Western Conference landscape right at this moment,

1467
01:31:21,079 --> 01:31:24,920
and I'm like, the Kings are
really good, but I don't see

1468
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:29,439
the player out there that they can
consolidate into who puts them in the Nuggets

1469
01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:35,000
slash Clippers slash Thunder slash Timberwolves.
Here, Yeah, their situation is not

1470
01:31:35,119 --> 01:31:38,880
that different from a lot of other
teams. It's just that they're kind of

1471
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:42,279
in a worse spot for that to
be the case, which is like there's

1472
01:31:42,319 --> 01:31:45,760
not a trade out there that they
could get. There's not a player out

1473
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:48,680
there that they could get without giving
up say Keegan Murray, which like they

1474
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:51,439
just don't want to. They're not
going to trade him. That would put

1475
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:55,640
them like a notch up, I
don't think. And it's just painful for

1476
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:59,319
them because they're right at like that
probably out of the play in but not

1477
01:31:59,359 --> 01:32:02,720
necessarily and you know, above the
plane but not for sure and not going

1478
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:08,159
to be a top four team,
like unless you just made this insane trade,

1479
01:32:08,159 --> 01:32:10,479
this just doesn't exist. But it's
like it's wing defense. It's a

1480
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:14,199
combo Ford that can really guard.
You know, It's an upgrade on the

1481
01:32:14,239 --> 01:32:18,079
Harrison Barnes spot essentially, and I
guess like if you go beyond that,

1482
01:32:18,199 --> 01:32:23,640
you know, you could use someone
that. Like's just that's the thing.

1483
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:26,399
It's like, oh, the Herder, Kevin Herder is not quite good enough,

1484
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:29,840
you know, defensively to really matter
in the playoffs. But I mean

1485
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:31,880
he's a great shooter, and he's
got good chemistry with some bonus and if

1486
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:35,359
you just you know, make a
marginal trade to move on top of him,

1487
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:38,439
move you know, a player above
him, or send him out,

1488
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:42,920
it's like, you know you're losing
that shooting. You're just like, this

1489
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:45,439
is all just a round about way
of saying what you started this out with,

1490
01:32:45,479 --> 01:32:49,000
which is like the needs are understood, the options available are what they

1491
01:32:49,039 --> 01:32:53,079
are, and unless you're gonna throw
Keegan Murray out there, you're not going

1492
01:32:53,159 --> 01:32:56,159
to get any kind of You're not
going to get a superstar wing defender.

1493
01:32:56,239 --> 01:33:00,640
Like that's not it's not possible,
right, Some names I have for them,

1494
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:02,840
these would not. These are all
You're not giving up Keegan Murray for

1495
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:06,479
them, So I want to make
that clear. Alex Caruso, it's on

1496
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:11,479
my list. Dorian Phinney Smith,
Oh, not on my list, but

1497
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:15,319
that's a good one. Jase Shawn
Taate, Yeah, mine two, uh,

1498
01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:18,439
Denny Avdia for them, poison pill
but it's workable, m hm.

1499
01:33:19,319 --> 01:33:24,840
And my final one is Kyle Kuzma. He's definitely like an upgrade. I

1500
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:28,119
just don't know if he's enough of
it. But if it's just sort of

1501
01:33:28,159 --> 01:33:31,000
like salary and a protected pick,
if that's what it comes down to,

1502
01:33:31,079 --> 01:33:36,319
I'd probably roll the dice on it. Is that A is that hurt her

1503
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:41,840
going out? You think could be
hurt He could be Barnes, Mm hmm,

1504
01:33:42,239 --> 01:33:45,000
Yeah. I think he's better than
Barnes, probably, especially if he

1505
01:33:45,159 --> 01:33:48,720
just if Kuzma would like, you
know, defend like we know he can

1506
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:55,800
defend if he's in a better situation, which is a possibility this Keegan Murray

1507
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:58,199
and darreon Fox, the way that
they have defended this year, like that

1508
01:33:58,279 --> 01:34:00,920
kind of makes Kuzma's job a lot
easier. And so I would think that

1509
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:04,560
he might be even more valuable defensively
to the Kings than he might look on

1510
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:08,800
the Wizards right now, and it'd
be a lot harder for him to not

1511
01:34:09,119 --> 01:34:13,159
bring max effort defensively with if you
know, if Fox is doing and Keith

1512
01:34:13,239 --> 01:34:15,000
Murray's doing, it's not just like
his job on the court is a little

1513
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:19,640
different. It's like you can't half
asspect I have more questions about his offensive

1514
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:23,560
fit than his defensive fit. Here
is that really, well, just because

1515
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:27,119
he kind of cannibalized some possessions,
you think, and it's like he's just

1516
01:34:27,239 --> 01:34:30,359
been in Washington, had so much
more agency because of the Bradley billen jury

1517
01:34:30,399 --> 01:34:34,319
and the makeup of this team.
Can he slide into a more complimentary role.

1518
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:38,800
I think it helps that you have
even in La where it was Lebron's

1519
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:41,880
one of the best passes alive,
but in Dearn Fox, great playmaker,

1520
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:45,600
but because you have some bonus who
can facilitate the offense from like all these

1521
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:50,119
different set positions or live dribble positions, and he's someone who players get out

1522
01:34:50,199 --> 01:34:55,079
and run for. Maybe it's like
Anthony Davis isn't doing that stuff? Do

1523
01:34:55,079 --> 01:34:58,199
you know what I mean? Like
Sabonis is the type of playmaker that will

1524
01:34:58,199 --> 01:35:00,479
either get dudes paid, not on
level of Yokich, but he'll get dudes

1525
01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:03,880
plaid, or he'll get dudes to
play hard or fit into a role.

1526
01:35:04,319 --> 01:35:09,159
Yeah, I think that's fair.
Do you think they make a trade?

1527
01:35:11,319 --> 01:35:15,880
They can't there. I look at
them and say they're too good to just

1528
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:18,479
stand pat Like you should be searching
for upgrades, which is what is the

1529
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:24,279
what is the upgrade? Even if
they could get to Jeremy Grant. Do

1530
01:35:24,279 --> 01:35:30,239
you do that? Not without Murray? Probably? Oh you don't think,

1531
01:35:30,359 --> 01:35:31,479
I mean, they have first round
picks to trade, you still think it

1532
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:34,119
we call like the Kings. I'm
not giving up Keyan Murray. If the

1533
01:35:34,159 --> 01:35:36,880
Blazers want him for Grant, that's
not happening. But I just think from

1534
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:40,560
the Blazer's perspective, it's like,
what do we want with Harris? I

1535
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:42,680
mean, how it's gotta be a
lot. You're gonna have to overpay me

1536
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:46,399
in picks if Harrison Barnes is the
piece, because I don't think necessarily well,

1537
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:51,119
yeah, he probably doesn't have brogged
in value if him if they said

1538
01:35:51,159 --> 01:35:55,680
two first for Jeremy Grant, and
then what is the match Like what is

1539
01:35:55,760 --> 01:36:00,520
the Kings don't have bad matching salary
unless you're that low on Harrison Barnes long

1540
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:02,560
term. But if like that was, I mean, and you need the

1541
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:06,279
problem is that you need Harrison Barnes
ain't Kevin Hurder Probably. Yeah, that's

1542
01:36:06,319 --> 01:36:12,159
another reason it's hard to you know, that's Jeremy Grant conundrum. Yeah yeah,

1543
01:36:12,239 --> 01:36:15,680
yeah, no. I So,
well, then who's most likely to

1544
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:18,479
be traded? If I think it's
you got a cup bait with Davion Mitchell,

1545
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:24,000
Right, Yeah, I mean I
definitely put him as a target for

1546
01:36:24,039 --> 01:36:28,960
a lot of teams for that reason. That's maybe not a good reason to

1547
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:30,640
be a target, which is that
like your team has kind of decided he's

1548
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:33,720
played more lately, but there was
a chunk of this year where he was

1549
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:36,880
out of the rotation, and like, I mean, his shooting has gotten

1550
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:40,760
worse every year and it was not
a strength to begin with. So,

1551
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:45,600
like, I mean, I guess
that that that's that augurs in favor of

1552
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:47,479
the Kings are going to trade him
because they don't like really need him anymore.

1553
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:50,479
But then what's his value? Like
why are you trading for him?

1554
01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:54,840
It feels like if you're trading Barnes
or Herder, who are more convenient,

1555
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:58,239
they have more value and they're more
convenience salary matches, what is just the

1556
01:36:58,239 --> 01:37:02,039
big move? So unless you're just
all in on them getting Alex Caruso where

1557
01:37:02,079 --> 01:37:04,600
the balls, I'm sure would have
interesting Kevin Herder in that deal, they'd

1558
01:37:04,600 --> 01:37:09,000
have to send someone else out too. Yeah, But like so like unless

1559
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:12,319
you're making that level of dealer getting
Kyle Kuzma, who, it feels like

1560
01:37:12,359 --> 01:37:14,880
it's going to be a smaller move, and maybe they look at it and

1561
01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:16,640
say, well, we shouldn't move
Davian Mitchell because he could still defend his

1562
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:19,920
ass off and that just might be
something in certain postseason matchups we need,

1563
01:37:20,319 --> 01:37:23,920
right, Yeah, give him one
more playoffs and let's see what happens.

1564
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:28,359
Maybe I think, I think I
want to say Herder, but I do

1565
01:37:28,399 --> 01:37:32,560
think Mitchell is so clearly like the
most expendable of the guys they could move

1566
01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:36,520
is probably probably needs to be him. They're not going to trade like Vizenkov,

1567
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:40,840
for example, because that's another way
to get like decent matching salary if

1568
01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:44,000
you want to move up a little
bit, but also if you're gonna end

1569
01:37:44,039 --> 01:37:47,560
up moving Harrison Barnes or Kevin Herder
and you wind up getting smaller, like

1570
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:50,920
let's say a Caruso as part of
that deal. If Zankov gives you the

1571
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:54,800
size to make up for that,
or Herder's leaving, it's the shooting,

1572
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:58,039
so he's kind of he can't.
Yeah, he might fill in on either

1573
01:37:58,079 --> 01:37:59,720
of those fronts. So you don't
want to move, all right, So

1574
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:03,319
we got the Spurs next. We've
We've talked about this over and over,

1575
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:08,279
but like just you know, point
guard. I think that's that's just what

1576
01:38:08,319 --> 01:38:11,840
it is. I don't know what
else. And then you know you should

1577
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:15,199
be in the business of definitely taking
flyers on young guys. I just like,

1578
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:20,000
yeah, I mean, are we
overthinking it if we go beyond the

1579
01:38:20,039 --> 01:38:23,720
point guard thing? And are we
avoiding it just because we've said it so

1580
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:27,079
many times? If you would like
to look at like someone who kind of

1581
01:38:27,079 --> 01:38:30,600
fits in the front court with wemb
better than what they have right now.

1582
01:38:30,359 --> 01:38:33,520
But I think because they have so
many of their own flyers, it's just

1583
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:39,920
can we get it's a veteran who
doesn't monopolize too many touches, is actively

1584
01:38:40,079 --> 01:38:45,399
table setting and making the development easier
for these guys rather than cannibalizing their opportunities.

1585
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:49,640
And so Tias Jones has been mentioned
a bunch. That's a name that

1586
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:55,159
and look it's they're expiring this first
look at bringing them back. Tis Jones

1587
01:38:55,199 --> 01:38:59,359
is a name Montay Morris. If
the Pistons make him available, what do

1588
01:38:59,399 --> 01:39:02,119
you think of the I mentioned Josh
Giddy already, I don't know what you

1589
01:39:02,159 --> 01:39:06,560
know, You're not unless Okase wants
Keldon Johnson or it's like part of a

1590
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:11,600
multi team trade where Giddy I don't
know, because John deay Mary and Josh

1591
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:15,359
Giddy I think both fit. Here's
my point, But what are you giving

1592
01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:16,960
up to get them? Do?
Jean dere Mary make so much sense just

1593
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:20,560
because if you can keep even one
of those Atlanta Hawks picks as part of

1594
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:25,920
it while making them worse because you're
taking a good player, that's just a

1595
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:31,840
plus plus plus eleven of ten gamesmanship
there. I'm just trying to think of,

1596
01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:36,720
Like all the packages I want the
Spurs to try for Murray would just

1597
01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:41,279
be like insulting to the Hawks.
They would just say no on principle.

1598
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:45,199
What if they gave up so they
have the Chicago pick, they have the

1599
01:39:45,239 --> 01:39:48,840
fake Charlotte picks, that doesn't really
count. Do they have anyone else's first

1600
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:51,079
round or don't they have another one
floating around? I should I mean,

1601
01:39:51,119 --> 01:39:54,199
I have this all written down,
Maybe I should, Maybe I should go

1602
01:39:54,279 --> 01:39:57,920
look at it. There's so many, so many picks out there that I

1603
01:39:57,960 --> 01:40:00,600
can't remember who else she said,
Let's right, they have Charlotte's twenty four.

1604
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:04,359
It's lottery protected the next two years
before turning into seconds. So that's

1605
01:40:04,399 --> 01:40:10,479
not Oh, they have Torontos.
If you just said, like, here's

1606
01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:14,800
four picks, it's Toronto's and Chicago's
and then like they put one of the

1607
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:18,960
Hawks and then like I mean even
three with salary, Like that's not insulting,

1608
01:40:19,119 --> 01:40:21,960
is it. Well, you what
they should do is just find their

1609
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:27,199
four worst first round picks, like
the Charlotte ones in there. Uh yeah,

1610
01:40:27,239 --> 01:40:30,520
you say it's four because look you
got Charlotte right, like the Raptors

1611
01:40:30,520 --> 01:40:32,760
and the Hawks, and say we
we it cost us three and two swaps

1612
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:35,359
or whatever it was, and then
only we got four backs so we came

1613
01:40:35,399 --> 01:40:40,640
out ahead. Uh. The Josh
Getty thing is weird because I like his

1614
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:43,520
fit, but it's like, okay, so he doesn't need more picks.

1615
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:45,920
So they would have to like Keldon
Johnson or the Galaxy brain we want,

1616
01:40:46,079 --> 01:40:49,520
okay see, to be aggressive.
It'd be a poison pill situation with Devin

1617
01:40:49,720 --> 01:40:55,520
Cell. Like you say, I
don't think you give up as I mean,

1618
01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:59,319
if the Cell has kind of disappointed
relative to our expectations, maybe,

1619
01:40:59,439 --> 01:41:00,319
but I don't think. I still
don't think he First of all, he

1620
01:41:00,680 --> 01:41:03,720
is not he's gonna be fine,
But and he is, He's been really

1621
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:06,760
good. I think he's just shown
that Hey as a number two point five

1622
01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:09,800
rather than a one or two.
I still believe in him a little bit

1623
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:12,000
as a number two, like let's
see what he looks like when Wemby's a

1624
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:15,960
finished product. But I was more
so phrasing okay, c would be Josh

1625
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:18,760
Giddy. You have to make the
package work because the poison bill and then

1626
01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:21,640
like they're just throwing picks and picks
in picture a way, it's not Devin

1627
01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:28,199
Vessel for Josh Giddy. So that's
the OKAC creating their own trade market type

1628
01:41:28,199 --> 01:41:30,319
of stuff. Does some part of
you hope that the thunder do make a

1629
01:41:30,319 --> 01:41:34,479
trade that brings back like three more
first round picks just to be like then

1630
01:41:34,479 --> 01:41:38,239
we'd all just have to wonder,
like what is this guy doing? Does

1631
01:41:38,239 --> 01:41:42,640
Sam Presty know the NBA is gonna
end the concept of first round picks in

1632
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:45,319
twenty thirty and like you're gonna the
draft and then they're just gonna be bag

1633
01:41:45,359 --> 01:41:50,119
holding all these first round picks.
What's gonna happen? So I don't know

1634
01:41:50,119 --> 01:41:53,319
if you did, I have any
other oh, the other one, I

1635
01:41:53,319 --> 01:41:56,159
don't know if any would give him
up. But Andrew Nemhard for this team

1636
01:41:56,159 --> 01:42:00,279
could make some sense he'd be phenomenal
for this team. I will and you

1637
01:42:00,279 --> 01:42:03,239
get him with like you can't give
up, Like, oh, I mean

1638
01:42:03,239 --> 01:42:06,159
the Charlotte first you could definitely give
up. I would do it if that,

1639
01:42:06,279 --> 01:42:09,199
because that's the tiast Jones thing.
I don't know if you saw the

1640
01:42:09,239 --> 01:42:12,479
report, they're willing to take seconds, and so if I'm the Spurs,

1641
01:42:13,039 --> 01:42:15,399
I'm like, so at best,
this Charlotte pick is just gonna be number

1642
01:42:15,399 --> 01:42:18,760
fifteen. I will offer this.
You can say you got a first round

1643
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:21,640
pick, we'll match the money.
Like this just seems like, why is

1644
01:42:21,680 --> 01:42:27,880
Tias Jones not on the Spurs right
where you use Davante Graham or use Doug

1645
01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:30,279
McDermott, whatever you gotta do as
the salary and then you're done. Yeah,

1646
01:42:30,359 --> 01:42:34,439
I think. I mean, if
it's like it's one of those things

1647
01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:39,640
where we've talked about Tias Jones specifically
as the guy here for so long that

1648
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:44,319
if it does happen, I think
it's like, what why did it take

1649
01:42:44,399 --> 01:42:47,000
this long? Everybody they were waiting
out? Maybe they were like Washington doesn't

1650
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:49,560
need to be in a rush,
Like if they know that that package is

1651
01:42:49,560 --> 01:42:53,279
always there, it's just well,
will someone get desperate while they're being injury

1652
01:42:53,319 --> 01:42:56,960
that causes That's true. You probably
if you're the Wizards, you wait for

1653
01:42:57,000 --> 01:43:00,319
a contender to get real skittish,
you know, you wait for the to

1654
01:43:00,359 --> 01:43:03,399
do something dumb or maybe or maybe
you're waiting for a team that decides that

1655
01:43:03,479 --> 01:43:06,920
we want to get off bad money, so like we're gonna compensate you more.

1656
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:11,439
For Tyas Jones, I don't know
if I have anything. I was

1657
01:43:11,439 --> 01:43:15,119
trying to think of, like a
big or like like a four because Wenby's

1658
01:43:15,119 --> 01:43:16,760
better office up, but it's like
it's a four or five. Who doesn't

1659
01:43:17,039 --> 01:43:23,640
you know scrub Wemby's usage that he
currently has A way I don't really have.

1660
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:25,960
I mean, Jaleen Johnson would be
fun for this team, I guess

1661
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:28,880
Isaiah Stuart, you know you had
him for another team for that similar kind

1662
01:43:28,920 --> 01:43:31,359
of role. If if if he
fits with Ched, he fits with Wemby,

1663
01:43:31,479 --> 01:43:33,800
Like that's the rule, right.
We can think about them the same

1664
01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:38,079
way you might be in love with
Ruby Hotchimra. Should you just throw his

1665
01:43:38,199 --> 01:43:43,159
name out here for no reason in
particular? Did I throw nots Reed would

1666
01:43:43,159 --> 01:43:46,359
make some sense next to Wemby,
for yeah, you would? I mean

1667
01:43:47,079 --> 01:43:50,600
I mean, he's not really a
big would be fun everywhere. The Birds

1668
01:43:50,640 --> 01:43:56,479
have got to figure out a way
to not just get nas reed but convinced.

1669
01:43:56,479 --> 01:43:59,079
Like give us some more bad money
or give us something wolves, We'll

1670
01:43:59,079 --> 01:44:00,560
get you out of this this fix
you're in, Like, give us Mike

1671
01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:03,720
Conley too, and we'll we'll figure
out a way. Why would they do

1672
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:08,000
that? Why when I'm just trying
to get the Spurs to go get in

1673
01:44:08,039 --> 01:44:12,159
Nazria. It seems tricky. Would
you just to try it? Or is

1674
01:44:12,199 --> 01:44:15,600
this no? There's too much like
spatial overlap. Could you imagine the defensive

1675
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:20,039
tandem of Jonathan Isaac and Wemby.
I'm doing it right now and I'm gonna

1676
01:44:20,039 --> 01:44:26,039
need you to leave the room for
a minute. Uh. Nothing else on

1677
01:44:26,039 --> 01:44:28,880
the Spurs. I would lie like
if they could find I mean Kelly Olynnok,

1678
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:30,640
maybe if they wanted to think like, yeah, yeah, that might

1679
01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:34,960
be someone DeVante Graham most likely to
be traded, Yeah for sure, just

1680
01:44:34,960 --> 01:44:40,119
because he's basically expiring. He costs
two million to wave. Yeah. That

1681
01:44:40,159 --> 01:44:43,880
brings us to our final team,
the Utah Jazz. Oh, I'm ready

1682
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:46,760
to say some inflammatory things about the
Jazz. Let's go so they've fallen off

1683
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:50,199
from their scorcher. I want to
make that clear, But I'm just I'm

1684
01:44:50,239 --> 01:44:55,640
looking at like what they could maybe
get from selling and the names, assuming

1685
01:44:55,640 --> 01:44:58,520
they're not going to move lowry marketing, which I don't think they should or

1686
01:44:58,560 --> 01:45:00,720
and I don't think they will,
But like, what are you getting for

1687
01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:05,640
Clarkson and Sexton and Simoni Fontacchio and
Chris Donne is a name we haven't really

1688
01:45:05,640 --> 01:45:10,359
mentioned, but he would He might
make sense for a lot of teams or

1689
01:45:10,399 --> 01:45:14,119
a linux, Like we're talking about
any of those players I named on their

1690
01:45:14,119 --> 01:45:16,279
own, John Collins, do any
of them net you a first round pick

1691
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:23,640
in a vacuum? I would say
maybe Sexton, Maybe, I don't think

1692
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:26,399
you're getting. Yeah. I think
this is the point you're making. You're

1693
01:45:26,439 --> 01:45:30,039
not getting like a premium first for
any of those guys you could get,

1694
01:45:30,079 --> 01:45:31,920
you could get the equivalent of that
Charlotte first we were talking about with the

1695
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:35,960
Spurs. Maybe or you could get. Yeah, you're getting you're not getting

1696
01:45:35,960 --> 01:45:40,319
the blue chip trade a draft pick. I don't think for for any of

1697
01:45:40,359 --> 01:45:43,880
those guys, No, not a
blue chip. I think Sexton might because

1698
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:46,800
of just like the pressure he can
put on set defenses from his standstill drives

1699
01:45:46,800 --> 01:45:49,920
and he's shooting like a trillion I
think he' shooting like fifty two percent on

1700
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:55,159
drives over his last fifteen games.
First, what protections on a first for

1701
01:45:55,199 --> 01:45:58,399
Sex and Sexton? Would you say, like, well, here here's an

1702
01:45:58,439 --> 01:46:00,720
example. I actually he hasn't been
mentioned really, but maybe now that clutch

1703
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:05,800
is made up with the Knicks,
like I would give up Quentin Grimes or

1704
01:46:06,359 --> 01:46:11,000
like the least favorable of like let's
say this year's Nicks pick or the Dallas

1705
01:46:11,039 --> 01:46:14,399
pick, like the least favorable of
it. I would give that up for

1706
01:46:14,479 --> 01:46:19,199
Colin Sexton. I think what about
Clarkson, I wouldn't do a little more

1707
01:46:19,560 --> 01:46:24,359
because Clarkson gives you the off the
dribbled jumper element, but like you have

1708
01:46:24,479 --> 01:46:28,159
that like Julius Randall and Jalen Brunson
are gonna bail out before they get to

1709
01:46:28,239 --> 01:46:30,399
the basket. Anyway, you need
someone who might follow through a little bit

1710
01:46:30,439 --> 01:46:34,800
more. And Sexton doesn't have the
off the dribble jumper. I might trust

1711
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:40,199
him more just to bang in his
set threes, which is something And maybe

1712
01:46:40,359 --> 01:46:43,800
maybe that's not fair, I will
say, because Clarkson has been I think

1713
01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:47,239
he's been great this season, but
I like and he's improved his passing a

1714
01:46:47,279 --> 01:46:51,079
great deal. I want to make
that clear, but I like, like

1715
01:46:51,159 --> 01:46:57,119
Sexton is shooting over his last names
forty five point from three. Clarkson's at

1716
01:46:57,199 --> 01:47:00,000
under twenty four percent. So it's
just set the way that sex is playing

1717
01:47:00,079 --> 01:47:02,880
right now. It's not I just
wouldn't give up a first round I like

1718
01:47:02,920 --> 01:47:06,159
Clarkson, but I have trouble spot. He's one of those players where it's

1719
01:47:06,359 --> 01:47:10,840
like, let's you Julius Rynolds an
example, three time All Star, could

1720
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:14,159
be if he didn't get injured,
maybe he makes all NBA, and like,

1721
01:47:14,239 --> 01:47:16,560
it's so hard to find the right
fit for him. And that's how

1722
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:19,720
I feel about Clarkson a little bit. I think that's I'm a poory thing

1723
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:23,960
is go out there and buy.
I was gonna ask you, if you're

1724
01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:26,800
gonna go buy, what do you
like? That's not off the table?

1725
01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:29,680
We have to talk about the buy
option for them, right And it's so

1726
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:31,520
because you so let's even say you
could get a first round pick. You

1727
01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:34,000
don't need any more first round picks. They might be nice to have,

1728
01:47:34,079 --> 01:47:38,680
but like you have enough you can
go out if it costs you two or

1729
01:47:38,760 --> 01:47:43,680
three and they're not like primo first
round picks de Jontay Murray on this team

1730
01:47:44,039 --> 01:47:45,760
as someone who can be a steward
for Keante George. They can even play

1731
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:48,680
together a little bit. I love
it, can you? This is the

1732
01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:55,000
team second draft for Patrick Williams because
they have some actual draft equity to give

1733
01:47:55,079 --> 01:47:58,479
up Matisse Thibel, like, just
go out there and like, let's get

1734
01:47:58,479 --> 01:48:02,119
some real wings, many wings,
that's for sure. What was Moody like,

1735
01:48:02,159 --> 01:48:04,279
let's take a fire him? Do
you want? Here's my favorite one?

1736
01:48:04,279 --> 01:48:09,000
Are you ready? Did you look? No, he's not available,

1737
01:48:09,439 --> 01:48:12,680
but they do have the draft equity
to make him available. I just want

1738
01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:15,479
you to want you to imagine it. Get your bottle lotion, maybe some

1739
01:48:15,560 --> 01:48:20,079
Kleenex. Okay, are you ready? Yeah? Tarry Easton oh man,

1740
01:48:21,279 --> 01:48:30,039
Okay, so you're he's gonna play
Tarry Easton and Door Taylor Hendrix or Walker

1741
01:48:30,119 --> 01:48:31,319
Kesler in your for You know what
funk that you can play all four of

1742
01:48:31,359 --> 01:48:35,600
them together? Oh my god?
Yeah? I mean Eastern will guard anything

1743
01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:41,600
that moves so defensively. You'll figure
that out. That's really interesting. I

1744
01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:45,920
had not thought of him, although, like, I mean, how Kessler,

1745
01:48:45,560 --> 01:48:49,920
Kessler and Easton together defensively is really
fun for a long time, and

1746
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:54,640
especially if you play Chris Dunn at
the same time, you're just just brutal

1747
01:48:54,680 --> 01:48:57,840
defense, I mean brutally good defense. At that point, like to get

1748
01:48:58,079 --> 01:49:00,479
Houston to bite, it might be
need to give them players who actually gonna

1749
01:49:00,479 --> 01:49:04,720
play, like is can Chris Dunn
is their Tari Easton replacement include Kelly Olynyk,

1750
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:08,239
take back some of their bad money, then give them. I don't

1751
01:49:08,279 --> 01:49:10,960
know how many first, it depends
on the first that you're getting. Like

1752
01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:14,680
Tari Easton has was he have two
years left on as Rooky scale. I

1753
01:49:14,720 --> 01:49:18,359
think that's right, so rookie last
year. Yeah, So like I'm looking

1754
01:49:18,359 --> 01:49:23,159
at the Jazz first that they own
they just have like just because like Minnesota

1755
01:49:23,199 --> 01:49:25,359
and Cleveland should still be really good, and so would you just like,

1756
01:49:25,359 --> 01:49:28,279
hey, have both of these twenty
twenty five first round picks from them,

1757
01:49:28,279 --> 01:49:30,760
We'll give you another one protected to
get Tari Easton in here. Maybe Houston

1758
01:49:30,800 --> 01:49:34,560
says fuck you, Maybe Utah like
Danny Ainge is not, but it would

1759
01:49:34,600 --> 01:49:39,760
be like that's what is buy on
guys who can stick around long term and

1760
01:49:39,800 --> 01:49:43,399
create I want to see these teams
that have picks and don't need more of

1761
01:49:43,439 --> 01:49:45,960
them. And also in the Thunder
and Jazz's case specifically, and even New

1762
01:49:46,079 --> 01:49:49,640
Orleans, you're never gonna be bad
enough to get like high level first of

1763
01:49:49,680 --> 01:49:54,079
your own, create your own trademark, and damn it, I want to

1764
01:49:54,119 --> 01:49:58,640
see it. I'm trying to think
if I had anybody, uh oh,

1765
01:49:58,640 --> 01:50:02,039
I had DeAndre Hunter here and then
that they don't have any wings theory as

1766
01:50:02,039 --> 01:50:05,760
a target, which again like they
have like they probably have the money to

1767
01:50:05,800 --> 01:50:09,560
just be like, hey, Hawks, we're not I don't think we're gonna

1768
01:50:09,560 --> 01:50:11,359
give you a first him. But
if you just want to get out,

1769
01:50:11,760 --> 01:50:15,680
yeah money, yeah, Bruce Brown? Who else do they have? Bruce

1770
01:50:15,680 --> 01:50:19,880
Brown here would be fun? Who
else who's that? What is their expiring

1771
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:27,000
money is expiring? There was thht
In Olynic for DeAndre Hunter and then some

1772
01:50:27,560 --> 01:50:30,920
capital I wouldn't like, Like it
can't be a high level first. I

1773
01:50:31,279 --> 01:50:34,439
I like DeAndre Hunter more than most, but I think if you're the Hawks,

1774
01:50:34,439 --> 01:50:38,880
then you can flip a linox to
someone will Actually, I mean I

1775
01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:41,319
don't know why they would do this
because they're uh, well yes they're giving

1776
01:50:41,399 --> 01:50:43,399
up DeAndre Hunter. But they don't
play a j Griffin's. I don't know

1777
01:50:43,399 --> 01:50:46,720
why they want Baggie who's had a
really bad sophomore year. Yeah. I

1778
01:50:48,039 --> 01:50:51,159
think one thing that's nice is that
good. That was a really good not

1779
01:50:51,199 --> 01:50:54,520
that I don't mean to sound surprised, you know, too late. I

1780
01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:57,880
heard the tone. I heard that. Oh my god, that was actually

1781
01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:00,720
a good one. I love DeAndre
Hunter here, Like that's the perfect Like

1782
01:51:00,760 --> 01:51:03,439
you kind of rehab John Collins's value
a little bit and not do the same

1783
01:51:03,479 --> 01:51:08,319
with someone who feels about this is
like the Hawks getaway camp or something.

1784
01:51:09,039 --> 01:51:13,199
No. They they definitely need,
Like I was what I was gonna say.

1785
01:51:13,279 --> 01:51:15,800
They it's nice that we've moved past
the like, oh my god,

1786
01:51:15,840 --> 01:51:18,239
they need a point guard, which
was like part of the discourse on the

1787
01:51:18,319 --> 01:51:20,800
jazz needs for a while there,
and it's now it's like they got a

1788
01:51:20,840 --> 01:51:24,520
lot of really fun options, Like
you know, George is the young guy

1789
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:27,479
and done defense like crazy, and
Collin sext is not really a point guard,

1790
01:51:27,479 --> 01:51:29,920
but he tries, and like there's
a bunch of a bunch of good

1791
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:33,880
options. It's just like they got
way too many, like in the players

1792
01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:38,880
in like the six two to six
five range, and they just like that's

1793
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:41,920
why hunter is a thought is like
you got to get some six seven six

1794
01:51:42,039 --> 01:51:45,840
eight sou and aside from done,
like most of those guys shouldn't be guarding

1795
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:48,119
up and so I thought about but
this team doesn't need any more picks,

1796
01:51:48,119 --> 01:51:51,640
like maybe they would have interest in
Kelly Olnic, but like Kelly olinok,

1797
01:51:51,720 --> 01:51:55,119
Fontachio and then how many first to
Okay, see for lou Dort, they

1798
01:51:55,159 --> 01:52:00,079
don't need any more first right,
ludoruld be fun here though we did it.

1799
01:52:00,159 --> 01:52:04,720
I think we did most likely player
most likely to be traded. I

1800
01:52:04,720 --> 01:52:10,479
don't know, it doesn't it it's
gotta be Horton, Tucker or Link.

1801
01:52:11,039 --> 01:52:13,399
I mean, or you could just
say, like are they because a lot

1802
01:52:13,399 --> 01:52:15,359
of people are saying they need to
open up playing time for Taylor Hendrick,

1803
01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:18,800
I feel like they could just bench
guys like we've seen like they'll they'll do

1804
01:52:18,840 --> 01:52:21,000
that. So I'm gonna go with
a linic on this. Okay, let's

1805
01:52:21,399 --> 01:52:26,079
I'll co sign that one. Clarkson's
up there, but it seems like he's

1806
01:52:26,079 --> 01:52:29,159
got like one of the I mean, he's got a great relationship with ownership,

1807
01:52:29,359 --> 01:52:31,600
so like that's he's probably not getting
traded. He and Larry market Diden

1808
01:52:31,680 --> 01:52:34,239
want to be there. It seems
like Colin Sexton is happy there, like

1809
01:52:34,279 --> 01:52:38,359
I'm not. I I want the
Jazz to buy Baby. I'm all in

1810
01:52:38,399 --> 01:52:41,000
And it's not even like I think
they're gonna be like this dangerous playoff team.

1811
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:45,199
I'm just buy baby bye. That's
what that's my Yeah, I'm with

1812
01:52:45,279 --> 01:52:53,159
it. Okay, So we're doing
what are we doing on this version of

1813
01:52:53,159 --> 01:52:55,920
STAP And I guess the people really
want guess a player, So I feel

1814
01:52:55,920 --> 01:52:58,720
like we are doing guests a player. I gotta find my notes though for

1815
01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:00,359
that. Okay, here they are. Uh do you want I have one

1816
01:53:00,359 --> 01:53:03,239
from be Rich for you? Oh? God? Okay, hold on,

1817
01:53:03,319 --> 01:53:06,039
I can't. I can't get into
the mind of a psychopath. Well I'm

1818
01:53:06,039 --> 01:53:10,640
moving windows around. Are you Are
you even healthy enough to get into the

1819
01:53:10,640 --> 01:53:13,760
mind of a psycho path It might
be easier. Let's let's find out.

1820
01:53:14,920 --> 01:53:18,199
Are you ready? I'm ready?
Clue number one, a two thousand and

1821
01:53:18,279 --> 01:53:21,520
six lottery pick I, was traded
less than a month after being drafted.

1822
01:53:21,920 --> 01:53:27,279
Darryl Mory was an assistant GM at
the time and almost certainly involved. All

1823
01:53:27,399 --> 01:53:30,359
right, so Darryl Moury is in
Boston. This is a two thousand and

1824
01:53:30,399 --> 01:53:35,279
six I think Boston. The two
thousand and six lottery pick traded traded within

1825
01:53:35,479 --> 01:53:40,600
how how soon after being drafted within
a month, and he was traded by

1826
01:53:40,720 --> 01:53:44,319
Darryl Mory's team. Darl Mory was
an assistant GM at the time and almost

1827
01:53:44,319 --> 01:53:48,560
certainly involved. I would love to
get this on the first clue. Uh

1828
01:53:49,439 --> 01:53:58,119
who did? Who did? I
don't think? Okay, I got a

1829
01:53:58,119 --> 01:54:00,760
couple of ideas. Go ahead,
you don't want to row him out there?

1830
01:54:00,039 --> 01:54:03,000
What are you about getting it early
or getting it right now? Maybe

1831
01:54:03,079 --> 01:54:08,199
the name that I was, I
was in the wrong time timeline for one

1832
01:54:08,239 --> 01:54:12,439
of these guys. I just all
right now, I'd like to hear the

1833
01:54:12,439 --> 01:54:16,239
second clue, please. I was
first team All rookie, averaging eleven points,

1834
01:54:16,239 --> 01:54:21,359
five rebounds, more turnovers than assists, with mediocre shooting, after getting

1835
01:54:21,479 --> 01:54:27,840
traded like right away. Oh,
I forgot about the third clue because he

1836
01:54:27,920 --> 01:54:30,039
sent this all the way back on
January twenty second. The third clue is

1837
01:54:30,119 --> 01:54:34,359
killing me. January twenty second.
All right now, I have to hear

1838
01:54:34,399 --> 01:54:42,479
the third clue. In my why
you're really building this up? This has

1839
01:54:42,520 --> 01:54:45,800
to be funny or no one's going
to believe you again. In my third

1840
01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:53,319
season, I was teammates with Greg
Buckner. God damn it, that guy's

1841
01:54:53,319 --> 01:55:00,319
in my podcast forever. Greg Buckner
got him out at the end because the

1842
01:55:00,399 --> 01:55:03,479
listeners shout him out in the middle. Well, what we've established is I

1843
01:55:03,600 --> 01:55:06,880
know nothing about Greg Buckner, So
this clue does not help me. First

1844
01:55:06,880 --> 01:55:12,479
of all, only like like the
bag, like the sicko Sikos, know

1845
01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:15,520
something about Greg Butner Buckner at this
point, man, all right's let's clue

1846
01:55:15,600 --> 01:55:18,880
number four. I feel like I
should have been able to get it based

1847
01:55:18,920 --> 01:55:23,319
on those are the only three.
No, I'm just kidding number four.

1848
01:55:23,359 --> 01:55:26,399
In college, I was co Rookie
of the Year with Jeff Green in the

1849
01:55:26,399 --> 01:55:30,800
Big East as a freshman, then
was nominated along with JJ Reddick, Adam

1850
01:55:30,840 --> 01:55:34,279
Morrison, and Alan Ray for the
Naysmith College Player of the Year. With

1851
01:55:34,359 --> 01:55:40,079
a picture with a picture perfect jumper
and great size and athleticism, I won

1852
01:55:40,119 --> 01:55:43,880
the two thousand and eight NBA Done
Contest. Some might say I underachieved my

1853
01:55:43,920 --> 01:55:48,800
potential. Regardless, my three most
similar player players were Joe Smith, Robert

1854
01:55:48,840 --> 01:55:53,560
Rory, and Juwan Howard. So
I must have done something right. Yeah,

1855
01:55:53,600 --> 01:55:56,640
well we I hate those comparisons.
I'm sure he included those because I

1856
01:55:56,680 --> 01:56:00,760
hate him so much. Mission accomplished. Now, I'm annoyed. That was

1857
01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:02,399
a lot of information in that clue. I won the two thousand and eight

1858
01:56:02,479 --> 01:56:06,800
Dunk Contest. Yes, that feels
I don't know if I would have gotten

1859
01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:10,720
it here. I don't know Clue
number four. Clue number five will help

1860
01:56:10,760 --> 01:56:13,880
you. But it's actually kind of
wild because I don't know what team he's

1861
01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:15,520
on at this point, because all
I know is the Celtics drafted him in

1862
01:56:15,960 --> 01:56:19,520
six and traded him, and I
will get it. There are two more

1863
01:56:19,560 --> 01:56:24,039
clues, and I'm pretty confident that
you will get it on the final one

1864
01:56:24,079 --> 01:56:26,319
if you have. Okay, let's
just keep going to keep it moving.

1865
01:56:26,800 --> 01:56:29,800
In my seventeen year career, I
made the playoffs three times. From my

1866
01:56:29,880 --> 01:56:33,039
second season until my eleventh season,
I started all but three of my total

1867
01:56:33,079 --> 01:56:38,720
games played, never an All Star. I was a remarkably consistent scorer,

1868
01:56:38,840 --> 01:56:42,319
ranging from seventeen to twenty one points
per game during this run of seasons.

1869
01:56:43,479 --> 01:56:48,760
I feel like I should get it
on that so Dunk Contest winner in eight.

1870
01:56:53,720 --> 01:56:58,199
I still don't have it final clue. I was signed in September two

1871
01:56:58,199 --> 01:57:01,119
thousand and three by Grant's favorite team, then waved a month later. Oh

1872
01:57:01,199 --> 01:57:04,680
god, wait, I thought he
was drafted in two thousand and six,

1873
01:57:06,680 --> 01:57:11,840
right, he had a seventeen year
career. That would three oh twenty three?

1874
01:57:11,880 --> 01:57:15,520
I say two thousand and three?
Like what on Earth? Sorry?

1875
01:57:15,800 --> 01:57:20,239
Sorry? So the Warriors signed him
in twenty three, so this September,

1876
01:57:20,279 --> 01:57:25,199
and then waved him a month later. Oh so he was like in camp

1877
01:57:25,439 --> 01:57:28,279
and then didn't make the team?
Is what? What were you telling me?

1878
01:57:29,039 --> 01:57:30,479
That's yes, I would cond of
Do you want me to tell you

1879
01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:33,800
some of the teams he played for
throughout his career? Is it? Is

1880
01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:38,000
it Joe Johnson? It is not? Was he on the Warriors camp?

1881
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:40,119
Cross? No, I was just
trying to think of guys that would have

1882
01:57:40,199 --> 01:57:44,359
Like, you're on the right track, though, I feel like I should

1883
01:57:44,399 --> 01:57:46,600
definitely know who the Warriors had in
camp and then didn't keep I'm drawing a

1884
01:57:46,600 --> 01:57:49,159
blank on that. Yeah, you
can tell me some of these teams.

1885
01:57:49,279 --> 01:57:54,079
I'll give you one unless you ask
for more. He played. He's probably

1886
01:57:54,199 --> 01:58:00,079
most known for his time played on
the Grizzlies, and he went from Boston

1887
01:58:00,199 --> 01:58:03,920
to the g Did he go from
Boston to the Grizzlies. I can look

1888
01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:08,399
that up because I don't really know
this early draft revia from the from the

1889
01:58:08,439 --> 01:58:11,880
two thousands. The fact that he's
mostly on the Grizzlies and was on the

1890
01:58:11,880 --> 01:58:16,479
Warriors for a second means he was
he was drafted by Houston. So Darryl

1891
01:58:16,560 --> 01:58:21,840
must have still been with the Rockets
organization. Oh well, I do you

1892
01:58:21,840 --> 01:58:27,000
know? What I really hope is
that that's not correct and that I get

1893
01:58:27,000 --> 01:58:30,279
it. I get out upon a
technicality because Darryl Morey was not in Boston.

1894
01:58:30,600 --> 01:58:34,079
So he's drafted by Houston and he
was traded to Memphis, where he

1895
01:58:34,159 --> 01:58:45,800
spent six plus seasons before being traded
to Toronto. So he's in Memphis through

1896
01:58:45,880 --> 01:58:49,119
like twenty twelve, and then he's
in Toronto after that and is a Dunk

1897
01:58:49,159 --> 01:58:51,920
Contest winner. Can you tell me
what team he won the Dunk Contest with?

1898
01:58:51,920 --> 01:58:55,760
I don't feel like I'm gonna get
this MEMPHILX He was on Memphis in

1899
01:58:55,760 --> 01:59:01,039
two thousand and eight. Yeah,
I don't think I so from Toronto he

1900
01:59:01,159 --> 01:59:08,199
ended up on the Kings. Oh
it's uh, it's Rudy Gay there you

1901
01:59:08,239 --> 01:59:12,880
go. I was surprised you didn't
get it on the Warriors camp clue.

1902
01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:15,039
Yeah, I forgot about that.
The Darryl morry thing really threw me off.

1903
01:59:15,279 --> 01:59:21,119
I him being involved for a moment. I was impressed that you knew

1904
01:59:21,199 --> 01:59:24,720
darn moriy was just with the Celtics
off the cuff in that year, and

1905
01:59:24,760 --> 01:59:27,680
it turns out you were wrongs.
Yeah, that was that. Maybe that's

1906
01:59:27,720 --> 01:59:31,600
on me. Well wait, where
was it? Where was this? Because

1907
01:59:31,640 --> 01:59:34,600
it was Houston? He said he
was drafted by Houston. Is that is

1908
01:59:34,600 --> 01:59:39,479
that where he traded the Memphis That's
where Darryl Morriy comes in. Okay,

1909
01:59:40,039 --> 01:59:44,479
all right, I have Rubik Scale
has random trivia for you. Oh all

1910
01:59:44,560 --> 01:59:50,399
right. In Bead's seventy point game
on Wemby Spurs lasted as the top score

1911
01:59:50,479 --> 01:59:56,000
this season for all of ninety six
hours before being shunted into second place by

1912
01:59:56,039 --> 02:00:00,760
Lucas seventy three to ten and seven
game seventy Burgers. I've been matched or

1913
02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:04,439
surpassed in the same season only twice. The last time a seventy Burger was

1914
02:00:04,479 --> 02:00:09,800
matched in a season was a year
ago. Donovin Mitchell dropped seventy one on

1915
02:00:09,840 --> 02:00:14,119
the Bulls on January second, twenty
twenty three, and then Damian Lillard matched

1916
02:00:14,159 --> 02:00:17,680
it on February twenty six. When
was the last and only time that a

1917
02:00:17,720 --> 02:00:25,760
seventy point game has been surpassed in
the same season. Oh, man,

1918
02:00:26,000 --> 02:00:29,039
if I will give you because this
is just so hard, it's open ended.

1919
02:00:29,079 --> 02:00:31,279
If you just take a stab in
the dark, there's a chance that

1920
02:00:31,359 --> 02:00:35,520
you will get it. The last
time a seventy point game was like someone

1921
02:00:35,560 --> 02:00:39,960
got seventy and then he and then
scored more than that in the same season

1922
02:00:40,039 --> 02:00:43,399
or matched it. I would just
say, Wilt, if that's you'd be

1923
02:00:43,479 --> 02:00:47,520
correct. Yeah, okay, so
it was nineteen sixty one sixty two when

1924
02:00:47,560 --> 02:00:51,319
he did it. Wilt improved upon
his seventy eight points against the Lakers in

1925
02:00:51,359 --> 02:00:56,920
December nineteen sixty one with one hundred
Burger in March nineteen sixty two in New

1926
02:00:57,000 --> 02:01:00,359
York one hundred Burger. I have
heard of that game a couple of times.

1927
02:01:00,520 --> 02:01:03,960
Okay, well that's a that's a
win and doubt guess will situation.

1928
02:01:04,359 --> 02:01:10,199
I think there was there was a
like, wasn't there a game where I

1929
02:01:10,199 --> 02:01:13,239
think the scoring title was at stake? And I feel like it involved David

1930
02:01:13,319 --> 02:01:16,560
Robinson who had like like a big, huge game on the last day of

1931
02:01:16,600 --> 02:01:19,840
the year and like he needed it
to beat somebody else. I forget what

1932
02:01:19,880 --> 02:01:24,279
that was, I'm sure. So
some of the listeners will will be like

1933
02:01:24,439 --> 02:01:28,000
are yelling right now, saying how
do you not know this? All right?

1934
02:01:28,039 --> 02:01:30,199
Do you want to guess a player
from me? Or would you like

1935
02:01:30,239 --> 02:01:35,279
to have another one? I don't
know if I have the doc from Mike

1936
02:01:35,600 --> 02:01:39,640
pulled up, So I'll give you
another one if I can find the doc

1937
02:01:39,680 --> 02:01:41,600
from Mike. So if you want
to give me one, yeah, I

1938
02:01:41,640 --> 02:01:45,159
have to do this one because I
forgot it for a really long time in

1939
02:01:45,199 --> 02:01:49,239
the in the d MS on on
our discord. So this is from Niko

1940
02:01:49,359 --> 02:01:54,319
Chekolev. I forget where the space
goes in the Sorry. I think he

1941
02:01:54,399 --> 02:01:57,239
might have sent one for you.
Oh he did, so we'll do that

1942
02:01:57,279 --> 02:02:01,760
one alright. I'm sorry this one
this one for you, so and again,

1943
02:02:01,800 --> 02:02:05,399
apologies for forgetting to get to this
for so long. Clue number one.

1944
02:02:05,880 --> 02:02:10,199
Prior to the twenty seventeen NBA Draft, I was unable to work out

1945
02:02:10,239 --> 02:02:15,800
for any teams due to my torn
ACL Prior to the what draft twenty seventeen.

1946
02:02:15,720 --> 02:02:18,359
Okay, I wanted you to flex
and just get it right here.

1947
02:02:19,359 --> 02:02:27,279
I was unable to work out twenty
seventeen draft Jabari Parker. No fuck?

1948
02:02:27,800 --> 02:02:30,039
Why was I so sure about that? Well? He tore his ACL after

1949
02:02:30,079 --> 02:02:34,279
he was drafted. I'm pretty sure. Oh yeah twice? Yeah? Ready

1950
02:02:34,279 --> 02:02:38,319
for clue number two? No,
I want to guess again two thousand and

1951
02:02:38,359 --> 02:02:40,920
seven. Now go ahead, I'm
ready. I wouldn't have got it off

1952
02:02:40,920 --> 02:02:44,600
that clue for sure. Number two. I ultimately went undrafted, but I

1953
02:02:44,640 --> 02:02:47,840
have made a nice career for myself, playing over three hundred games for two

1954
02:02:47,840 --> 02:02:57,359
teams and signing contracts totaling over fifty
million dollars. No, I got nothing,

1955
02:02:57,359 --> 02:03:00,159
all right, number three. That's
hard if you've I went from taking

1956
02:03:00,239 --> 02:03:05,319
the number two overall pick to the
found out this guy was undrafted. My

1957
02:03:05,479 --> 02:03:10,840
career best game happened against the Bulls
when I where I scored thirty eight points

1958
02:03:10,920 --> 02:03:18,239
and grabbed nineteen rebounds happened against the
Bulls. I don't even get to know

1959
02:03:18,319 --> 02:03:23,319
what team he was on. Not, No, you will. I think

1960
02:03:23,359 --> 02:03:28,720
you're gonna get it for sure.
You're getting it on five, but you

1961
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:31,159
might get it on this next one. Was he. Uh No, there's

1962
02:03:31,159 --> 02:03:36,279
no way he had nineteen rebounds.
Don't say Duncan Robinson. It's probably had

1963
02:03:36,319 --> 02:03:42,600
a thirty eight point game. It
is not Duncan Robinson. Clue number four.

1964
02:03:43,359 --> 02:03:46,279
I am a two time champion,
but I am not as successful as

1965
02:03:46,319 --> 02:03:53,279
my teammate on two different teams,
who's a three time champion himself. I

1966
02:03:53,279 --> 02:03:57,239
don't even understand that this guy has
two rings, but he's played with a

1967
02:03:57,279 --> 02:04:00,880
guy. I feel like I give
way too much information if I explained this

1968
02:04:00,880 --> 02:04:03,159
too well. All right, then
go to the next clue. All right,

1969
02:04:03,840 --> 02:04:11,680
I am the only Canadian to win
a title for a Canadian team.

1970
02:04:11,760 --> 02:04:23,760
Oh no, who was on that
Raptors roster? Why can't I get this?

1971
02:04:24,000 --> 02:04:30,760
That is? That is Canadian Chris
Bouche. That is correct, It

1972
02:04:30,800 --> 02:04:32,720
is Chris Bouche. That's the who
you thought I was going to get it

1973
02:04:32,760 --> 02:04:35,680
on. That had to be,
because that's the fifth and final clue.

1974
02:04:36,079 --> 02:04:41,520
That was a good one that I'm
surprised it took us this well, it

1975
02:04:41,520 --> 02:04:44,119
wouldn't have taken us this long to
get to Chris Bouche. For you,

1976
02:04:44,199 --> 02:04:48,159
if I hadn't uh left a d
M on read for so long, you

1977
02:04:48,199 --> 02:04:53,079
know that was from Nicolcha, right, Yeah, So I'll save his for

1978
02:04:53,119 --> 02:04:57,279
another time that week because my gage
has a ton of them. Are you

1979
02:04:57,359 --> 02:04:59,359
ready for the fun? I'll give
you the final one, and then if

1980
02:04:59,359 --> 02:05:01,520
you have a couple more for me, sure. Clue number one. I

1981
02:05:01,560 --> 02:05:05,119
was drafted forty third by the Knicks
straight out of high school. There's no

1982
02:05:05,239 --> 02:05:12,479
year attached to this yet. It
can only be so many years. Well,

1983
02:05:12,520 --> 02:05:15,960
it might be really really long ago, but that Mike doesn't usually do

1984
02:05:15,079 --> 02:05:20,000
those ones. All right, go
ahead, Clue two. At the time,

1985
02:05:20,079 --> 02:05:24,319
I became a youngest player ever to
wear a Knicks uniform, nineteen years,

1986
02:05:24,359 --> 02:05:30,920
four months and four days old.
Hmmm, drafted forty three. We

1987
02:05:31,000 --> 02:05:39,479
don't have a year who he played? Right away? Okay, I gotta

1988
02:05:39,520 --> 02:05:44,600
find a something to anchor the time. All right, go ahead, what's

1989
02:05:44,600 --> 02:05:47,640
the next one? My eighty games
and one three hundred and eighty two minutes

1990
02:05:47,680 --> 02:05:51,399
were the most played by a Knicks
rookie since Greg Anthony in nineteen ninety one.

1991
02:05:51,840 --> 02:05:57,000
Okay, you said eighty games and
whatever a ton of minutes, one

1992
02:05:57,039 --> 02:06:01,199
hundred minutes as an eight rookie,
nineteen year old Knicks rookie, I should

1993
02:06:01,239 --> 02:06:09,760
get this what is this, h
I'm trying to think of like of high

1994
02:06:09,760 --> 02:06:15,520
schoolers the Knicks have had that would
have played that much. Eddie Curry wasn't

1995
02:06:15,560 --> 02:06:19,199
a Knicks pick and he was like
number two Tyson Chandler didn't play there until

1996
02:06:20,159 --> 02:06:26,279
he was much older than nineteen?
Oh man? How can I? How

1997
02:06:26,319 --> 02:06:30,359
do I not have this yet?
You might get it on this one?

1998
02:06:30,800 --> 02:06:34,359
Is it? No? He didn't
come out of high school. I was

1999
02:06:34,359 --> 02:06:39,359
gonna say, like Jared Jefferies,
but he didn't come out. Okay,

2000
02:06:39,359 --> 02:06:42,159
go ahead, Clue four. I
was a Nick for two and a half

2001
02:06:42,239 --> 02:06:45,359
years before I was traded for Penny
Hardaway. Who remembers that Penny Hardaway was

2002
02:06:45,399 --> 02:06:49,840
a Nick? I do I remember
getting excited when they traded for Penny.

2003
02:06:49,880 --> 02:06:55,279
I remember getting excited when they traded
for t mac Steve Frantis, Steph Marbury

2004
02:06:56,159 --> 02:07:01,079
was well, so this must have
been Penny coming from the Suns. I

2005
02:07:01,119 --> 02:07:08,239
think? So who was he at
that point? What young guy would they

2006
02:07:08,239 --> 02:07:13,399
have traded to Phoenix? God,
I don't think I'm gonna get this either.

2007
02:07:13,439 --> 02:07:15,479
This is a bad night for me. He was. If it helps,

2008
02:07:15,640 --> 02:07:18,720
you were correct that Penny Hardway was
on Phoenix before he was traded the

2009
02:07:18,800 --> 02:07:21,960
next Well that that helps my confidence
a little bit, because I don't feel

2010
02:07:23,359 --> 02:07:26,399
I feel like the forty third pick
that played a ton of minutes as a

2011
02:07:26,479 --> 02:07:30,159
rookie out of high school? What's
that? Out of high school? It

2012
02:07:30,239 --> 02:07:34,119
shouldn't be that hard, But I
do not have it yet. Clue ive

2013
02:07:34,199 --> 02:07:36,920
kicking off a theme. I was
traded a year later the Lakers were Brian

2014
02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:41,600
Cook, where I appeared in an
NBA finals that season and won a ring.

2015
02:07:41,680 --> 02:07:47,680
Two years later, God damn it. Phoenix to the Lakers and he

2016
02:07:47,720 --> 02:07:58,600
wins a ring with the Lakers.
Yes, oh uh? Oh? Who

2017
02:07:58,640 --> 02:08:03,520
is what is that guy's name?
The entire point of this game? Yeah?

2018
02:08:03,560 --> 02:08:07,720
Oh good, I've figured it out. Oh I can't. This is

2019
02:08:07,760 --> 02:08:11,720
really frustrating, Dan. All right, do you have? How many more

2020
02:08:11,760 --> 02:08:13,880
clues? Do I have? Four? Oh? Great, let's keep it

2021
02:08:13,920 --> 02:08:18,560
going. I signed a thirty three
million dollar contract with the Rockets in free

2022
02:08:18,600 --> 02:08:22,720
agency after winning my ring, but
was traded shortly after for Darren Collison in

2023
02:08:22,800 --> 02:08:26,960
a very confusing four team deal that
included Troy Murphy and James Posey. Wow.

2024
02:08:28,760 --> 02:08:33,319
Wow, So wins it with the
Lakers ends up on Houston and what

2025
02:08:33,359 --> 02:08:39,439
would have been a pretty big contract
at the time, correct thirty three million.

2026
02:08:41,560 --> 02:08:46,920
Oh who is this again? That's
the point of it? Just was

2027
02:08:46,960 --> 02:08:52,079
so deeply annoyed. All right,
what's the next clue? Clue seven?

2028
02:08:52,159 --> 02:08:54,199
I was then traded to the Hornets
for Rishard Lewis, before going to the

2029
02:08:54,199 --> 02:09:01,640
Wizards, then back to the Rockets, where I played for four years.

2030
02:09:01,359 --> 02:09:07,279
Oh god, I don't have it. I need a really obvious clue or

2031
02:09:07,279 --> 02:09:09,600
I'm not gonna get it Clue number
eight. I then played for the Suns,

2032
02:09:09,640 --> 02:09:13,159
the Wizards again, the Kings,
the Blazers, the Heat, then

2033
02:09:13,199 --> 02:09:18,720
back the Lakers. This guy played
for everybody, all the teams that I

2034
02:09:18,800 --> 02:09:26,399
just said, all the teams that
there are. I can already just feel

2035
02:09:26,800 --> 02:09:31,680
the creeping sense of disappointment that I'm
not going to get this. Do you

2036
02:09:31,720 --> 02:09:35,560
have any clue? Like in your
mind? Should I have gotten this by

2037
02:09:35,600 --> 02:09:37,840
now? This was actually a little
bit trickier based off the clues than I

2038
02:09:37,840 --> 02:09:41,520
would have thought I could give you. Well, if you don't get it

2039
02:09:41,560 --> 02:09:43,159
on clue nine, I'll have another
one for you. Oh okay, I

2040
02:09:43,159 --> 02:09:46,800
thought I was out of clues.
What's clue nine? I am a meme

2041
02:09:46,159 --> 02:09:52,399
on this very podcast there's so many
of those though. I'm actually trying to

2042
02:09:52,399 --> 02:09:54,840
think I wouldn't have gotten with this
one. So Mike's gonna have to pliify

2043
02:09:54,880 --> 02:10:01,560
for us in discord what we did
to meme him. Uh uh No,

2044
02:10:01,680 --> 02:10:05,640
I thought I had it, didn't
have it, Okay, until time I

2045
02:10:05,680 --> 02:10:07,359
was like, oh, it's j
R. Smith, but like one not

2046
02:10:07,439 --> 02:10:13,600
drafted by the next like two,
wrong year, there's three and d archetype

2047
02:10:15,680 --> 02:10:20,680
three and d archetype drafted out of
high school. Think of like the very

2048
02:10:20,840 --> 02:10:30,520
best version of those Rockets teams,
those more Ball Rockets teams. Let's see.

2049
02:10:30,600 --> 02:10:33,800
I keep wanting to say Ariza,
but and that would be correct,

2050
02:10:33,960 --> 02:10:37,359
is that he came out of high
school. Yeah, I did not know

2051
02:10:37,439 --> 02:10:39,199
that. That's why I was never
going to get there. I didn't know

2052
02:10:39,239 --> 02:10:41,600
that he came out of high school. So when would you? When did

2053
02:10:41,640 --> 02:10:43,920
he first pop in your mind?
Was after like Clue two or something,

2054
02:10:45,479 --> 02:10:50,920
well, going to the Lakers and
winning a title and then like all the

2055
02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:56,720
teams, because Marisa has been on
a million teams. But I didn't think

2056
02:10:56,720 --> 02:10:58,840
the high The high school thing got
me. I got see this. I've

2057
02:10:58,880 --> 02:11:01,720
done this two times in a row. I'm fixated on one thing and you

2058
02:11:01,079 --> 02:11:03,840
just throw out the You never throw
out the answers. Are you like concerned

2059
02:11:03,840 --> 02:11:07,640
about not getting the wrong answer rather
than I was sure that that wasn't right

2060
02:11:07,640 --> 02:11:11,720
because like, oh no, Trevor
Resa went clearly he was not a high

2061
02:11:11,720 --> 02:11:15,720
school draftee, and I was just
wrong. That's a good. That's a

2062
02:11:15,760 --> 02:11:18,199
good. That was a good guess
a player, because I, well,

2063
02:11:18,239 --> 02:11:22,479
maybe you know what the meme is
that Mike is talking about? Why are

2064
02:11:22,479 --> 02:11:24,159
we so bad at that? If
you don't know what the meme is,

2065
02:11:24,199 --> 02:11:26,680
I sure don't. I don't know
what that was. We're so bad at

2066
02:11:26,680 --> 02:11:31,960
this? Why does anyone listen to
us? All Right? I have a

2067
02:11:31,000 --> 02:11:35,760
bunch for you. I gotta decide
which one I think is going to be

2068
02:11:35,760 --> 02:11:43,800
the most fun. Let's see,
let's see, let's see. Okay,

2069
02:11:45,000 --> 02:11:48,239
I kind of want I'm not gonna
do that one. This is a great

2070
02:11:48,279 --> 02:11:50,600
pod me just himming and hawing trying
to pick between like five guest of players.

2071
02:11:52,720 --> 02:11:56,239
Let's do this one. This is
fun. Okay, this is from

2072
02:11:56,239 --> 02:12:00,560
Mike. Uh you okay? Number
one Clude one. I was drafted out

2073
02:12:00,600 --> 02:12:05,720
of Iowa in nineteen ninety eight frent
season ahead of Greg Buckner by the Hornets

2074
02:12:07,399 --> 02:12:11,560
god ninety eight ahead of Greg Buckner. They didn't so they didn't give a

2075
02:12:11,640 --> 02:12:15,680
number. Where was Greg Butler?
All the information I have for you include

2076
02:12:15,720 --> 02:12:18,720
one who Dosh? Do I know
anyone that was drafted in ninety eight?

2077
02:12:18,800 --> 02:12:22,000
Glenn Rice? Is that ninety eight? I don't know. That's a good

2078
02:12:22,079 --> 02:12:26,239
guess that No, he was in
He was in the all right clue Number

2079
02:12:26,239 --> 02:12:31,960
two. I participated in the dunk
contest that saved the event from extinction in

2080
02:12:31,000 --> 02:12:35,000
two thousand, but I had the
lowest score in the event. This is

2081
02:12:35,000 --> 02:12:39,479
a great clue because I forgot that
this was the case. I got nothing.

2082
02:12:39,680 --> 02:12:43,239
So he's in the contest with Vincent
t mac and well, I don't

2083
02:12:43,279 --> 02:12:48,600
know with Steve Francis in that one. I forget, totally forgot he was

2084
02:12:48,640 --> 02:12:52,960
in that all right number three.
Following the two thousand season, I was

2085
02:12:54,000 --> 02:12:56,520
traded in a nine player deal to
the Heat, where I only played seven

2086
02:12:56,560 --> 02:13:01,000
games due to injuries, and another
trade, this time to the Calves.

2087
02:13:01,640 --> 02:13:03,800
And I would just say that the
Calves are the team I probably associate most

2088
02:13:03,840 --> 02:13:11,239
with this player. That's my clue, not not Mike's Ricky Davis. It

2089
02:13:11,359 --> 02:13:16,039
is Ricky Davis. Really, that's
very impressive. Got it in three clues.

2090
02:13:16,119 --> 02:13:20,560
You don't even let me get the
let's take a lap on that one.

2091
02:13:20,760 --> 02:13:24,319
Unbelievable. All you got was IOWA, the dunk contests and the Calves.

2092
02:13:24,239 --> 02:13:28,079
The Calves one was the only thing
that I don't remember him in the

2093
02:13:28,119 --> 02:13:31,000
dunk contest. I definitely don't know. I'm so bad with college stuff.

2094
02:13:31,000 --> 02:13:35,560
It's not now I feel bad for
Mike that I gave the clue of I

2095
02:13:35,880 --> 02:13:41,279
most associate him with the Calves.
Oh that wasn't on the paper? Was

2096
02:13:41,079 --> 02:13:43,279
I feel like I should give you
another one. I'll give you another one,

2097
02:13:43,319 --> 02:13:48,159
But I wonder what I've gotten any
of the clues after I think so

2098
02:13:48,159 --> 02:13:50,479
so. Number four is it was
during this time with the Calves that Jerry

2099
02:13:50,520 --> 02:13:54,239
Sloan famously said he'd knocked me on
my ass. This was because I intentionally

2100
02:13:54,319 --> 02:13:58,479
missed a layup on my own basket
one rebound shy of a triple double.

2101
02:14:00,079 --> 02:14:03,880
Heard that right? Yeah, okay, I don't feel so bad now trying

2102
02:14:03,920 --> 02:14:07,039
to hit it with another one.
Then, No, since you ruined Mike's

2103
02:14:07,079 --> 02:14:09,800
I know I blew it all right, I'll give you I have to do

2104
02:14:09,840 --> 02:14:15,880
another one for Mike then all right. Number one. I was drafted in

2105
02:14:15,960 --> 02:14:20,319
the lottery in nineteen ninety eight out
of ball state, same draft class,

2106
02:14:20,399 --> 02:14:26,640
so this isn't in the clue,
but also ahead of Greg Buckner. I

2107
02:14:26,760 --> 02:14:30,399
remember the nineteen ninety eight draft class. State. That's a weird college.

2108
02:14:30,439 --> 02:14:33,239
Not a lot of players out of
ball state. Clue Number two. The

2109
02:14:33,239 --> 02:14:37,760
moment I landed in the NBA,
I clearly embodied the bad boy image that

2110
02:14:37,840 --> 02:14:45,880
my team was looking for. U. JR. Ryder. No, that's

2111
02:14:45,880 --> 02:14:50,600
a good guess, though, Zach
Randolph. No, okay, you want

2112
02:14:50,640 --> 02:14:58,680
number three. I'm just thinking of
Blazers at this point. Ruben Pattison,

2113
02:15:01,279 --> 02:15:05,920
the Kobe stopper. Yeah, no, that's Roger Bell. Oh it is

2114
02:15:05,159 --> 02:15:09,640
what Ruby Patterson once said he could
stop. There was a Kobe Ruben Patterson

2115
02:15:09,640 --> 02:15:11,720
thing at some point, wasn't there
was there? I do all. I

2116
02:15:11,720 --> 02:15:13,479
don't remember, so I think it
was similar that he thought he could guard

2117
02:15:13,520 --> 02:15:18,359
him. Keep going on. All
right, you make me think that I

2118
02:15:18,439 --> 02:15:24,159
might be close. Basically I am
alarmed. I'm a little alarmed. Uh

2119
02:15:24,239 --> 02:15:28,399
am. I that transparent that you
can tell. I think not Damn Sotomarre.

2120
02:15:28,880 --> 02:15:33,199
He was top naming Blazers everybody.
I don't know. Should I read

2121
02:15:33,239 --> 02:15:37,680
the next clue to see if you
should or not? Uh? Clue three.

2122
02:15:37,720 --> 02:15:41,000
I got suspended early in my career
for screaming at my coach after he

2123
02:15:41,079 --> 02:15:46,039
benched me. My teammate Rashid Wallace
clearly taught me, well, you're you're

2124
02:15:46,079 --> 02:15:52,720
on fire. You are real close. Who am I forgetting from that era?

2125
02:15:56,039 --> 02:15:58,600
I'm not gonna get this now because
I'm in my head and I'm not

2126
02:15:58,640 --> 02:16:01,000
gonna be able to name these dudes. Give me the next clue, all

2127
02:16:01,079 --> 02:16:03,960
right? Clue number four. During
a playoff game in two thousand and two,

2128
02:16:03,000 --> 02:16:07,079
Bill Walton once said on commentary that
my brain was clearly not connected to

2129
02:16:07,119 --> 02:16:13,239
the rest of my body and that
I was quote useless unquote. Commentary used

2130
02:16:13,279 --> 02:16:18,520
to be real different twenty years ago. Stumbled across the Bill Walton like broadcast

2131
02:16:18,600 --> 02:16:20,960
on the League Pass. Now they're
still very different. When he came,

2132
02:16:22,319 --> 02:16:26,479
I accidentally did like this week for
the first time ever, and I did

2133
02:16:26,479 --> 02:16:31,119
not know what I was looking at
for, and I couldn't look away for

2134
02:16:31,239 --> 02:16:33,840
like the first five minutes because it
was like an intro that he did.

2135
02:16:33,120 --> 02:16:39,719
And he's in he's in his tepee
and this other dude is playing a bongo

2136
02:16:39,840 --> 02:16:43,879
drum and Bill Walton is looking into
a crystal ball. And this is shot

2137
02:16:43,959 --> 02:16:48,920
like home video quality. It's like
it's not produced. And he's like saying,

2138
02:16:48,239 --> 02:16:52,680
yo, kitch, and who were
playing? Who did the Nuggets play

2139
02:16:52,719 --> 02:16:58,399
the other night? I forget whatever, just naming naming players and just like

2140
02:16:58,479 --> 02:17:01,159
saying them into this crystal ball.
And he gets up and walks like through

2141
02:17:01,239 --> 02:17:05,360
clearly what is his own backyard,
and someone's following. It's like the weirdest

2142
02:17:05,360 --> 02:17:09,719
thing ever. And this is like
the lead up to him doing the broadcast.

2143
02:17:09,799 --> 02:17:13,719
He eventually gets to where he's gonna
do the alternate broadcast and like sits

2144
02:17:13,719 --> 02:17:16,760
down in his room there, but
there's like this huge preamble of him being

2145
02:17:16,799 --> 02:17:22,239
like completely untethered. It. It
was so bizarre. So yes, I

2146
02:17:22,239 --> 02:17:26,360
have seen the Bill on broadcast.
I feel like we should that to me,

2147
02:17:26,479 --> 02:17:28,680
that just says that we should probably
take edibles and record a podcast instead

2148
02:17:28,639 --> 02:17:33,680
of time I wanted. I want
to feel how Bill Walton feels sometimes like

2149
02:17:33,799 --> 02:17:37,959
I just what is going on?
All right? So, uh, that

2150
02:17:37,959 --> 02:17:41,200
probably didn't help you, would you? Like clue number five? Uh?

2151
02:17:41,280 --> 02:17:46,719
Yeah? After a few disappointing playoff
exits, the Blazers traded me to Memphis

2152
02:17:46,200 --> 02:17:50,760
in a quote oath to the city
of Portland to have a team of upstanding

2153
02:17:50,799 --> 02:17:56,840
Portlanders unquote, and given that I'd
been suspended multiple times and been arrested during

2154
02:17:56,840 --> 02:18:00,799
my time there, I didn't hit
the bill. I was traded for Wesley

2155
02:18:00,840 --> 02:18:05,000
Person if that makes any difference.
Oh, this is gonna annoy the shit

2156
02:18:05,079 --> 02:18:07,680
out of me. And it's even
more annoying that's not Zebo because he ended

2157
02:18:07,760 --> 02:18:11,479
up in Memphis. Just keep going. I mean, I'm not gonna get

2158
02:18:11,520 --> 02:18:15,360
this. I still think you might
because you're gonna get more teams. Uh

2159
02:18:15,479 --> 02:18:18,680
Six. I was part of the
first ever playoff team in Grizzly's history and

2160
02:18:18,840 --> 02:18:22,200
was there for two years before being
traded to the Kings for Bobby Jackson.

2161
02:18:22,959 --> 02:18:33,760
Oh, oh my god, why
can't I get this? You got?

2162
02:18:33,159 --> 02:18:37,520
You got three more? I think
at least two of them will help.

2163
02:18:39,520 --> 02:18:43,600
I'm cooked on this one. I'm
not gonna lie you think so. Yeah,

2164
02:18:43,639 --> 02:18:46,600
Well, all right, clue number
seven. I was awesome for the

2165
02:18:46,639 --> 02:18:50,719
Kings, averaging twenty three points a
game. Ron Artest offered to forego his

2166
02:18:50,799 --> 02:18:52,520
salary the next season for the Kings
to keep me. They did not.

2167
02:18:58,399 --> 02:19:01,040
I don't know how many years Wasn't
on the Blazers, was he? No?

2168
02:19:03,000 --> 02:19:07,879
Let me look, I want to
see how many games he played that

2169
02:19:07,959 --> 02:19:09,719
year? He iver was twenty three. Sorry, sorry, this isn't a

2170
02:19:09,760 --> 02:19:13,000
fact check. I trust you,
Mike. I just want to see,

2171
02:19:13,120 --> 02:19:18,360
like, oh, there's a typo
in there. Not twenty three a game,

2172
02:19:18,399 --> 02:19:24,600
it's thirteen for the Kings. Oh
that is that might be my I

2173
02:19:24,680 --> 02:19:26,920
transcribed this from Discord, not on
Mike. But does that change? That

2174
02:19:26,959 --> 02:19:31,760
might change something for you? All
right? Clue eight. After that year

2175
02:19:31,799 --> 02:19:35,440
in Sacramento, I wound up in
Houston, then New Orleans, then China

2176
02:19:35,520 --> 02:19:43,360
and Mexico before retiring after uh not
making the twenty eleven Wolves. Brandon wah

2177
02:19:43,280 --> 02:19:48,159
mm hmm. I think I think
the Sacramento, Memphis, Portland, Memphis,

2178
02:19:48,239 --> 02:19:56,680
Sacramento is how I remember him and
all the characters stop do you have

2179
02:19:56,719 --> 02:20:03,879
it? Oh no, no,
no, no, no no. I

2180
02:20:01,959 --> 02:20:11,000
I mean the last clue is I'm
currently Damn Stottamayer's top assistant at Georgia Tech,

2181
02:20:11,000 --> 02:20:13,319
which I didn't know. And if
you're not like, yeah, it's

2182
02:20:13,319 --> 02:20:18,559
if I get if I said headband. Would that be helpful to you?

2183
02:20:18,600 --> 02:20:22,360
No, it's just gonna make me. I think the name is just left

2184
02:20:22,360 --> 02:20:24,559
my brain. Yeah, that's that's
a possibility. It's not one that kicks

2185
02:20:24,559 --> 02:20:28,559
around. I'm trying to think of
the I said Isaiah Ryder. Yeah it's

2186
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not. It's not Isaiah Riders a
little earlier. I think I can't get

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I'm trying to think what other possible
clues I could give you that wouldn't just

2188
02:20:37,799 --> 02:20:45,479
give it away? What is it? What's his initials? B W I

2189
02:20:45,479 --> 02:20:48,200
should know this. You just gonna
have to tell me. It's Bonzie Wells.

2190
02:20:48,760 --> 02:20:52,840
Fuck, it's two fifteen in the
morning. Get in my house.

2191
02:20:52,840 --> 02:20:58,840
And I just screamed at the time, Well, sometimes you gotta emote.

2192
02:21:00,799 --> 02:21:05,399
Yeah, he's gonna kill me.
It's gonna come barging in. You're like,

2193
02:21:05,920 --> 02:21:09,479
uh, not a good showing for
us. I guess a player this

2194
02:21:09,639 --> 02:21:13,879
time. I got one after two
clues. You well, you know I

2195
02:21:13,879 --> 02:21:16,280
shouldn't speak for both of us.
Your average guest time was very short.

2196
02:21:18,040 --> 02:21:20,639
That was just a straight up collapse
that I couldn't get. I don't remember

2197
02:21:20,639 --> 02:21:26,200
Bonzie Walls on the Kings, so
only there for a year. I remember

2198
02:21:26,239 --> 02:21:30,440
it. I don't know why I
remember it, but I do remember him

2199
02:21:30,440 --> 02:21:33,680
there, Yeah, the Portland.
I mean, it's so hard. When

2200
02:21:33,680 --> 02:21:37,200
you started just reeling off Blazers,
I was like, Oh, he's gonna

2201
02:21:37,200 --> 02:21:39,799
get another one on like the second
clue, because you were because at no

2202
02:21:39,879 --> 02:21:43,319
point was it was just like a
it was a bad boy team in the

2203
02:21:43,399 --> 02:21:46,319
early two thousands. And I guess
it was smart for you to get to

2204
02:21:46,360 --> 02:21:50,760
Blazers that quick. But would you
imagine there being a team called the jail

2205
02:21:50,799 --> 02:21:54,040
Blazers right now? That would just
be like I can't believe that was ever

2206
02:21:54,079 --> 02:21:58,079
a thing. But and at the
time, it was like this is hilarious,

2207
02:21:58,760 --> 02:22:01,159
Like right every it was like this, this is a cool thing because

2208
02:22:01,239 --> 02:22:03,079
the name is so funny. Now
I'd be like, you'd never Yeah,

2209
02:22:03,079 --> 02:22:09,200
you can't, can't do that.
It's pretty awful. Grant, we've been

2210
02:22:09,200 --> 02:22:11,840
here forever. Would you like to
take us out? I sure would,

2211
02:22:13,120 --> 02:22:16,399
until we meet again in thirty seconds
or so, not that the listener will

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2217
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again checking in, and we'll close, as always with a shout out to

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the one only Frank Milakina and an
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