WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:04.160 Hello Good afternoon I' m Kralen Ramirez. We are in one more broadcast 2 00:00:04.200 --> 00:00:07.839 designing, I am here in D Radio, the design in your ears and 3 00:00:08.240 --> 00:00:11.279 I am at the same time very happy, also a little melancholy, because 4 00:00:11.359 --> 00:00:15.359 it is the closing of the season precisely, of the first season of the 5 00:00:15.359 --> 00:00:17.760 year of D Radio. And, well, we are closing with a gold 6 00:00:17.800 --> 00:00:21.719 clasp because there is with us an architect who for the second time is with 7 00:00:21.760 --> 00:00:25.320 us, but it' s been a long time. So I want to 8 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:29.440 remaster this new program to know what it' s doing, what things have 9 00:00:29.559 --> 00:00:33.560 changed, among other things, and this is José Moyau, how you' 10 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:36.920 re doing. Well, thank you very much, Cara for the invitation, 11 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:40.439 thank you for your time. And so with you, we' re closing 12 00:00:40.399 --> 00:00:44.759 with gold clasp very well. I hope so. Make sure you do. 13 00:00:44.840 --> 00:00:46.439 That' s right, hey, well, that' s right. I 14 00:00:46.520 --> 00:00:54.000 ' d like to start this great talk with you wondering who José Oya is, 15 00:00:54.159 --> 00:00:55.960 but my name is José de Arima. I love you, I love 16 00:00:55.960 --> 00:01:00.759 Lopez. They know me as Pepe Moyao. That is my name, which 17 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:07.280 everyone very places, not and who I am because I am an architect who 18 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:12.000 has more than thirty years in professional practice. I have my own studio, 19 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:22.159 which is mo I carry architects and because this one we have been working for 20 00:01:22.239 --> 00:01:29.959 a long time and can only tell you that it is an architecture studio where 21 00:01:29.959 --> 00:01:32.319 we think, analyze and do all kinds of projects and by chances of life. 22 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:37.159 The greatest number of projects that we have as for the part in which 23 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:41.799 they place me is for the whole theme of the centers of spectacle, entertainment, 24 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:49.680 theaters, auditoriums, stadiums, museums, exhibition centers, that is, 25 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:53.599 that they have been buildings. Regardless of how I started in my career with 26 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:57.680 the subject of housing, I worked a long time with the architect, it 27 00:01:57.799 --> 00:02:04.640 doesn' t touch Rasco where we made housing for infonavitfo dresses And this good, 28 00:02:05.079 --> 00:02:12.879 as I tell you, because of chance of life this type of projects 29 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:20.120 took place and we are pioneers in the study in the whole topic of rescue 30 00:02:20.120 --> 00:02:23.400 of heritage buildings, conversion of them. The example is Frontón Mexico. You 31 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:28.280 have what is the Science Museum, model group industry that was the beer factory 32 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:34.319 victory. And so, then, good on this topic and also, starting 33 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:40.639 with the whole theme of the centers of shows, that the first was the 34 00:02:43.120 --> 00:02:49.800 rescue and also conversion of a sports polysport palace designed for the Olympics of the 35 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:53.759 sixty- eight. And that' s where we start with going literal. 36 00:02:53.759 --> 00:02:58.439 That' s where I started with oucesa that wasn' t before. That 37 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:02.879 even began its name was transformed today one of the world' s leading companies 38 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:08.360 in the topic of the center in the operation of centers of entertainment promoters. 39 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:15.840 Anyway, today they have the leaders in this industry. And so, regardless 40 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:22.520 of this I say I work on my own and have been able to develop 41 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:27.919 for others and contest and make other types of properties of these characteristics. But 42 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:32.080 we do everything in the good studio that doesn' t stand out basically that 43 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:37.680 ' s one day good friend told me that says this one hears why not. 44 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:42.639 Instead of quantifying how many square meters of construction, you don' t 45 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:46.240 quantify how many seats or entertainment seats. You' ve done it, and 46 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:47.919 out of curiosity, I' m standing on the edge right now. We 47 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:55.599 carry more than four hundred seventy thousand entertainment seats from an imax room of three 48 00:03:55.719 --> 00:03:59.840 hundred people to what you now have to know your world, like what is 49 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:05.520 today' s Genep Stadium racetrack, which has changed its name from sun forum 50 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:11.400 to GNEP Stadium. That' s right Wow. It' s impressive, 51 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:14.879 because now the square methods as they changed to butaks. No, it' 52 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:15.800 s not what it is. All right, it' s amazing. Which 53 00:04:15.839 --> 00:04:20.879 father and I would like to know how it was that you chose the architectural 54 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:25.800 career for which architecture. In fact, I wasn' t thinking this way, 55 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:28.800 I' m in high school, I' m in high school, 56 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:35.079 I' m six at UNAM, and we were like seven eight boys who 57 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:43.519 were very stuck, very this month and we were all going to engineering. 58 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:48.480 Actually and at the time of filling the automatic pass, because I said, 59 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:56.560 because I don' t know, we all took out ten in physical themes, 60 00:04:57.120 --> 00:05:01.079 but because I had concerns the models that were made in the last, 61 00:05:01.399 --> 00:05:06.959 in the third year of preparation, I the subject of drawing, of art 62 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:12.199 and I liked and then it architecture, but without thinking more or less, 63 00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:15.279 my family, my father was a lawyer, has nothing to do with this. 64 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:20.519 So, laugh and today, because I think the family has some creativity. 65 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:26.519 I have a cousin named Ulysses Moyao. I' m also architecture, 66 00:05:26.920 --> 00:05:30.519 but he' s also a plastic artist. My son, Santiago Moyao, 67 00:05:31.720 --> 00:05:40.959 studied communication and today he is a great illustrator and has his writing and has 68 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:45.279 his graphic novel, Ahorita, which has been published is mandrake and I have 69 00:05:45.319 --> 00:05:48.319 written him and in the illustrator, then skills. I have a niece, 70 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:56.040 my brother' s ija that Andrea Moyao. Also then, everywhere, I 71 00:05:56.040 --> 00:06:00.240 began to see that this, as there is something in the family up to 72 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:05.360 the subject of creativity. And well, then, they have become so natural. 73 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:13.879 And so, well, starting the race. This because I wanted to 74 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:15.759 do what I really wanted to do was footballer. In fact, he was 75 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:18.560 on the Atlante' s pilot team. I mean, all I wanted was 76 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:25.360 to study, try to exempt the subjects so I could have two months of 77 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:30.319 training and play forgiveness. Of course it wasn' t anything that football is 78 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:35.959 today. And just finishing one of the so many unveiled in the first semesters, 79 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:41.720 I went to a three- day sleepless workout and I passed out and 80 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:46.000 when I woke up I said because I have to think more about what I 81 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:55.040 want to do, and I myself made the decision to continue studying and do 82 00:06:55.160 --> 00:06:57.879 it more like a hobby, a sport that I continue to practice to date. 83 00:06:58.199 --> 00:07:00.040 Oh, well, he' s not getting that way anymore. That 84 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:02.680 ' s good, I' m glad you didn' t lose that hobby. 85 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:06.519 What father and then, how about the incursion into the school, how 86 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:13.680 about that introduction to architecture? How they were in the classrooms, because in 87 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:17.240 reality, I think I had the fortune to know in the second semester the 88 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:21.839 career of architect Norato Carrasco, with which I began to work with him. 89 00:07:21.879 --> 00:07:28.959 From the third semester he invited me half, which saw me something in me 90 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:33.720 along with another teacher, who was the architect Juan Tobar and Luis Solis, 91 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:44.519 teachers who began to tell architect Carrasco born look to this boy this and because 92 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:54.240 I nailed I liked one of the most complete architects that I have known the 93 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:59.720 studio in San Carlos. Then he calculated, projected, built, painted, 94 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:07.639 was a bohemian, played the guitar, sang, then torea, so everything 95 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:11.000 that ended with aba, did very well and was a very prepared man. 96 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:16.800 I hide and with him, because I did the whole race. And when 97 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:24.279 the theme of the thesis came, it was my thesis advisor. With that 98 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:30.519 thesis I was able to win a world architectural competition. And it was out 99 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:33.000 of necessity, because I needed a hundred pesos to print the thesis. He 100 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:37.759 paid me ninety- five centa for the drawing hour and then, living in 101 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:45.240 the hallways. There, at the faculty I saw a UNESCO poster called to 102 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:48.840 make a home rooted in a social and cultural environment of each country and it 103 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:52.919 was a contest for young architects under thirty- five years of age. I 104 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:58.759 was twenty- one years old at that time and this one, but I 105 00:08:58.759 --> 00:09:03.000 had two phases that contest, the national phase, where the first place was 106 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:07.360 five hundred pesos of the prize, third, three hundred, third, fourth 107 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:09.639 and fifth was a hundred pesos and I said, because there is my one 108 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:15.200 hundred pesos. I spoke to him and entered won third place in the national 109 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:20.919 phase. I forgot that there is an international phase and in the international phase 110 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:28.240 won the first place with ten other nine architects. Well, there were fifty 111 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:33.960 - seven countries with five projects each. And the prize was that you went 112 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:39.320 to Tsucuba' s World Expo in Japan, and it was to put the 113 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:45.120 project and there were ten projects and the other nine were teams, many architects 114 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:52.120 already with their studio and I was alone, and because it was my turn 115 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:58.639 to go with that and the jury president of this contest was Kenzo TangerÁlvaro 116 00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:03.559 Cisa, the vice president was Pedro erran Mérez Vázquez and good others more by 117 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:07.399 unknown. That' s why it was the maximum there was at that time 118 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:13.360 and there I had the opportunity to meet Don Pedro and Este, with whom 119 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:20.480 I made a good relationship, but I never worked with him always more well 120 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:26.759 and he was sworn in in that contest and twenty years later, he was 121 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:33.879 the president of the jury of the Guadalajara Auditorium, which I also won then, 122 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:35.960 but the day was the president of the jury and I tell you so 123 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:39.240 many things. Yes, I have been starting to fix the Palace of Sports 124 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:46.480 because I started César Bueno, Alejandro Soberón and Federico González with peán nothing I 125 00:10:46.559 --> 00:10:50.559 was summoned one day to see what could be done with that property. And 126 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:56.120 thanks also to the support of the architect Honorato and Antonia Peir. At that 127 00:10:56.159 --> 00:11:01.120 time he was in Mexico and was one of the architects who made the Palace 128 00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:07.440 of Sports. Happy Candela Pedi Drum Res no, so it' s wow, 129 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:11.279 so what real privilege? And so, then, you start, because 130 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:15.720 it' s done, I don' t mean, the truth is that 131 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:20.240 I think the opportunities when they present themselves, because you have to take them, 132 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:24.440 not and there are times that you don' t meditate on things, 133 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:24.639 but also, because you' re young too. And today, you see 134 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:31.720 how all this is, the success you' ve had or stopped, yes, 135 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:35.679 uh, and this one and you And, well, there we go, 136 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:39.600 I don' t know, come on, yes, yes, yes, 137 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:39.559 yes, so also to class that has also grown a lot. Here 138 00:11:39.639 --> 00:11:46.240 we go clearly, yes, wow, because it was amazing how his start, 139 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:48.840 his career and, above all, the great masters that touched him. 140 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:54.320 Above all it is also to get the fact of entering a contest at an 141 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:58.759 early age, because, unfortunately, I feel, I, I don' 142 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:01.399 t know you, but there aren' t so many architectural contests anymore. 143 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:05.759 Yeah, there' s, there' s, there' s, no, 144 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:11.480 no, no, it' s a time, but I think we 145 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:13.639 should be looking for the opis and I, as I tell you, was 146 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:16.480 more of a necessity issue. And then, then, to enter Guadalajara, 147 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:22.440 because there was no work, because you invent, that is, I, 148 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:31.840 because we are, we have from below, we have done to pure work 149 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:39.399 And this and, yes, contesting, risking, when they ask, well, 150 00:12:39.399 --> 00:12:41.679 you get clicks. I don' t mean, the thing is, 151 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:46.679 I' m over it. I know it' s going to happen to 152 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:52.200 some project development. They ask me to do an analysis and I end up 153 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:56.159 making preliminary drafts and which, fortunately, several have been done no and are 154 00:12:56.720 --> 00:13:03.000 then being done this, since one is going to make up his own work, 155 00:13:03.639 --> 00:13:09.080 of course very well and he was then working with his honorary professor and 156 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:11.279 then, after that, of independence, he does learn how many years. 157 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:18.480 He' d be twenty- two. WOW and here I started in the 158 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:22.480 Rome presenter with good before in a fourth service with a friend, we started 159 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:33.240 doing there a market in his chitepec in models with the government of Lauro Ortega 160 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:39.480 Este as already used the topic that had been world prize and more won and 161 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:45.720 had no work. And I remember that in an interview that Marta Sosa gave 162 00:13:45.879 --> 00:13:52.320 me today, my weasel, she was a show host. Today in culture, 163 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:56.519 he saw the newspapers that came out the name of José Arimatris. I 164 00:13:56.559 --> 00:14:00.279 know him and I didn' t have a job. I remember I told 165 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:03.840 him good because tomorrow I' m going to go to the pinos Miguel de 166 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:09.000 la Madrid, of the President who had received Hugo Sánchez, because it had 167 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:11.039 been the beta Pichichi. Then I said I' m also champion, I 168 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:13.320 ' m from the world and why not. And then, no, no, 169 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:16.960 no, no, I' m gonna help you. And then his 170 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:22.919 help was to have introduced me at the time, in her boyfriend, the 171 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:26.320 graduate Federico González Copián, today also my compadre, because if we made a 172 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:31.879 good friendship and we grew up together, not in other words, and there 173 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:37.080 is always someone who helps you, not the real one, and the truth 174 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:41.559 for me they are very important. Of course, nice and besides, you 175 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:43.600 ' ve had that friendship. Yes, yes, yes, of course, 176 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:46.559 very valuable, really good. Yes, yes, yes, they have trusted 177 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:52.039 And that too, because working with friends, has a double commitment, not 178 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:58.240 to say because, because it is also to be very disciplined, this complimenter 179 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:03.120 and then not to fail of course, And if so with a friend, 180 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:07.080 then and with a client, because it is also me. I think one 181 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:11.000 of the most parenting things that' s ever happened to me is that all 182 00:15:11.039 --> 00:15:16.360 the people he' s worked with have a very good relationship They invite you 183 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:22.879 back to work. This is the case, Ahorita, with Justino Hirshow and 184 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:30.320 Polo Ari, those of the Gir and because I made them Pepsiscenter many years 185 00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:35.759 ago and at this moment we are doing a new project for other centers of 186 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:43.240 shows and because of confidence, because it has worked already gives you results with 187 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:46.159 his partner, Carlos Camagio. Right now, we' re watching this, 188 00:15:46.159 --> 00:15:46.960 are we working, right now, on this project? What a father, 189 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:54.240 and I have a doubt how it is that you are involved in a project 190 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:56.639 since you arrive the client, how you are developing it with your team. 191 00:15:58.360 --> 00:16:03.399 I think that this is how it is definitely posed, because I what it 192 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:08.399 is to listen to the client, try to see things, see his needs 193 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:18.279 and every entertainment center or every property of any kind depends. I think the 194 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:22.960 success of the studio is that I got involved in the first place with who 195 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:25.240 ' s going to operate it, that is, who' s going to 196 00:16:25.240 --> 00:16:27.639 handle it. So, even though it is, for example, Caesar has 197 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:33.000 the arrangement for the cell theater where the musicals are, and then you sit 198 00:16:33.039 --> 00:16:37.240 down and see the whole thing with the director who handles this whole subject and 199 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:42.879 it' s Jame Matarredona. This is how it' s going to work, 200 00:16:44.639 --> 00:16:47.480 which is x things, the needs of a theater. In fact, 201 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:52.000 there was an interesting anecdote. When he talks to Federico, it' s 202 00:16:52.080 --> 00:17:00.120 a project Anton García Abril did. His company is assembly that they are Spanish 203 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:03.759 in a theater, but he loved the dovela And when he tells me this 204 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:06.160 how you see it, I told him, because it doesn' t work. 205 00:17:06.759 --> 00:17:08.799 They tell him but why, because he has no stageya. And then 206 00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:11.640 they told me how. For, indeed, there was nowhere to put all 207 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:17.400 the cloth and then had to. But let' s get you out there 208 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:21.200 and say things this big. And it was an important thing. And one 209 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:26.759 day it' s the Broadway musical theater. Thank you very much. And 210 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:32.240 when we started, for example, the Orpheon cinema was a cinema of the 211 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:37.759 forties and again we have to bring a beautiful and beast. This is a 212 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:42.039 lot before and this and because the people who were operating in this case, 213 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:49.599 Federico Kaime Matar, then it' s a profile. But the other thing 214 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:56.480 is concerts. When you are to do sports, driving with this George González, 215 00:17:56.519 --> 00:18:00.519 who is the director today of Océsar, with pop people from real estate 216 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:04.720 like Mario Villavera, who have and have to manage masses. When Federico, 217 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:10.240 then start to see how you handle twenty- zero people, twenty- two 218 00:18:10.279 --> 00:18:15.960 zero, which is the capacity he has, and then scale to Madonna' 219 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:22.640 s concert, sixty thousand people, and then it would seem that the theme 220 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:26.279 is twenty zero And now it' s sixty zero, because it' s 221 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:30.160 three times the things you theoretically needed. Totally fake here. I mean, 222 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:33.519 it' s not true, it' s not arithmetic. If you don 223 00:18:33.559 --> 00:18:37.319 ' t have to have a logistics, it has to look like where you 224 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:41.200 stop where. I remember what I used to say to the wolves. In 225 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:45.839 that first concert I said you have to get down the stairs before people go 226 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:51.720 up the stairs, because they were also tubular steps. Then the wolf boys, 227 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:56.319 for they stood up and of course people came with the ticket and they 228 00:18:56.359 --> 00:18:59.359 were the next door and all of a sudden, the stairs were full of 229 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:03.880 people. And I trembled because if I could fall into that clear and besides, 230 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:07.759 I was the one who signed as director responsible for today and I remember 231 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:15.240 that in that in that I have many anecdotes and this, but that was 232 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:19.480 that I turned eighty- four hours without sleep to finish, because they did 233 00:19:19.519 --> 00:19:29.039 load tests and moved and loaded and reinforced it and so and it is literal, 234 00:19:29.559 --> 00:19:33.839 I rented a room. There I noticed about viaduct and nothing else. 235 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:38.000 I went to give myself a shower because I could no longer bear the smell 236 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:41.839 and did not eat pure water, because if I ate it made me hungry. 237 00:19:42.119 --> 00:19:51.880 This dream and November 10th of the ninety- three is with being a 238 00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:56.559 concert and this at five o' clock in the morning came five thousand policemen 239 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:02.000 to the test and that same said ok was approved. But you have to 240 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:07.200 fix all the perfect plas that you made. The police ripped off some conchitas, 241 00:20:07.640 --> 00:20:12.720 looted the food and beverage stalls that were already ready. And well, 242 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:21.319 then, arrange And well I can perform the Knowing the concert and ending, 243 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:29.079 Alejandro Sobrón tells me this is the great vision that has the truth. He 244 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:34.720 is an extraordinary entrepreneur and leader. And I remember you told me and this 245 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:38.319 one you wouldn' t like to see here a permanent building. I said, 246 00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:42.640 of course, yes and he says why don' t you do it 247 00:20:42.680 --> 00:20:45.880 and if it' s done, I' ll pay you. I said 248 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:52.200 go and then I armed my team and I still told them engineer tar such 249 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:55.000 tell me how much it costs and if it is done you, I pay 250 00:20:55.000 --> 00:20:59.720 it. That is the back to back, and so it was two years 251 00:20:59.720 --> 00:21:04.480 before the Forum sun Guau could be made. Those are just like those. 252 00:21:04.599 --> 00:21:10.079 I could count twenty thousand and we could keep talking about everything. There' 253 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:12.680 s more shows, there' s more seasons and he' s gonna keep 254 00:21:12.680 --> 00:21:15.440 telling me. That' s right, no, no, I don' 255 00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:18.160 t know about bras, but it' s amazing. I mean, I 256 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:22.119 never really did. I never imagined when I came to the forum. It 257 00:21:22.200 --> 00:21:26.200 ' s me that I' m a lot of concerts and suddenly I wonder 258 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:30.279 how the architect has done it, already or for another forao channel, because 259 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:33.680 for a long time it was closed and then back to life and now it 260 00:21:33.720 --> 00:21:37.559 ' s the Gennep. Not all the time has a success been working. 261 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:45.559 Since the sun forum was born This was intended to make a new mega concert 262 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:51.200 a year. Today, that' s like four. Today it is booted 263 00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:55.759 as the world' s number one, as in the Open Stadium category. 264 00:21:55.880 --> 00:21:59.759 Claro formula one in the last eight years, because it has won the place 265 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:03.240 six times and now. What was done was the project. It took us 266 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:10.200 more than a year and a half since the remodeling began in January and it 267 00:22:10.279 --> 00:22:15.519 has to be ready for the month of August. There goes and if there 268 00:22:17.240 --> 00:22:22.079 is, a transformation in thirty years, more than thirty years that the building 269 00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:30.599 has, because it will have a new cover, it has a new image 270 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:37.039 for what they will be able to see of things and the idea of having 271 00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:45.519 an experience for the viewer much more pleasant. Baths, I' ve multiplied 272 00:22:45.640 --> 00:22:51.839 things, food and drinks, more things. The idea is that the public 273 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:56.480 feels very, very well. Yeah, yeah, the truth is, I 274 00:22:56.960 --> 00:23:02.880 ' m glad that what they' re reforming back to now the EP gene, 275 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:06.240 because last year, it was like eight times at the Sun Forum, 276 00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:11.720 yeah, it was kind of good. You already have to give it a 277 00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:15.400 new view because aside, because it is already something that is very recognized worldwide, 278 00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:18.519 as you mention, and besides not come any artist, no, no, 279 00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:22.599 no, you have to put some sizes of the most top totally there 280 00:23:22.599 --> 00:23:27.720 comes puel mccart and, for example, it is slut in the six aha 281 00:23:27.720 --> 00:23:32.440 number one. Not of things, right now, yeah, gruno, Mars 282 00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:36.000 that you' re going to give the opening. No, uh, well, 283 00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:37.119 that' s not just anybody. And the truth is that I am 284 00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:45.039 very glad that this saying you are still involved in this show thing, because 285 00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:48.680 you were given yes, which, besides, I thank and I think very 286 00:23:48.759 --> 00:23:53.960 father that I have reconsidered the east, because the group, that is, 287 00:23:55.079 --> 00:24:00.640 Alejandro, Federico, Bueno George, all to be doing things again and everything 288 00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:06.519 comes out and the idea was to look for more spaces for advertising. And 289 00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:11.359 well, also that that also of what happens, that I am not only 290 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:17.720 in architect that we design a theater. That' s why we have not 291 00:24:17.799 --> 00:24:22.640 learned when watching Ticketmaster, we made Ticketmaster to understand the SIY all the issue 292 00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:32.079 of how all these ticketing centers, food and beverage topics were sold, is 293 00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:40.359 the subject of marketing, the subject of all the items involved in this production. 294 00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:45.559 To be with you, for example, with Fede Valverde, who is 295 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:51.960 in charge of the whole production assembly part, and yes, we have grown 296 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:57.119 up together for thirty years and that has served me, because precisely for when 297 00:24:57.200 --> 00:25:03.599 Guadalajara was the contest. I knew the problems I had, I had been 298 00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:10.599 doing things for fifteen years and I knew the great problem I had of setting 299 00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:15.480 up and disassembly an event. So this is Guadalajara' s Alleyard, the 300 00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:21.359 Telmex has two great manoeuvring countries where you can get there. They went down 301 00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:26.519 stage, let' s say one production and be going out and coming up 302 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:30.519 to the other and having a stage. It is one of the largest scenarios 303 00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:34.559 in the world, because it has twenty background events sixty long, which this 304 00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:41.359 allows me to have. And the concept was to be able to make three 305 00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:45.640 different productions on the same day at different times. That was the concept and 306 00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:52.359 that' s why I won and that place has some mobile buros where you 307 00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:57.920 have sixteen room variables in the same building from 1, 500 to 6, 308 00:25:57.920 --> 00:26:03.680 000. Yes, then you have and that was an international contest organized by 309 00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:11.240 the University of Guadalajara and this and good because it was more than a hundred 310 00:26:11.319 --> 00:26:18.319 projects that presented themselves anonymously and the I knew, since many things or production 311 00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:23.160 and the other that it is not the same to see a play and than 312 00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:27.279 to see a pop where you can have a concert, where you have a 313 00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:32.880 100 degree opening in the room or a play where you need to close. 314 00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:37.519 Then the moving walls are one hundred seventy- sixty degrees, incredible with a 315 00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:42.039 few boxes and then in the back sections. So that' s what we 316 00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:51.279 say, the multifunctionality and that part of what in recent years is yes, 317 00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:55.119 it' s true that you have to do, for example, for the 318 00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:59.680 government, to make a perfect opera room, because you' re between a 319 00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:07.640 thousand two hundred and a thousand five hundred spectators, but it' s a 320 00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:10.240 cavity of twenty- four meters and where it' s not profitable to make 321 00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:15.880 for a people of productions. This is such a small musical theatre, that 322 00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:22.000 is, telcel is a thousand four hundred, yes for but it is a 323 00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:27.000 whole year ok yes then, but a theater for the government, which says 324 00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:33.319 Querétaro, the metropolitan, in what is machis here, in the cultural center 325 00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:40.720 Amexicans of the East. These have been, for governments and have a visual 326 00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:52.400 hearing quality for the public, but they are probably not profitable and rather through 327 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:57.200 subsidies or by seeking sponsors. In other words, the Guadalajara Auditorium is called 328 00:27:57.240 --> 00:28:03.119 the Telmex Auditorium because the University of Guadalajara, despite being the second most important 329 00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:08.039 public university in the country, does not have the locks that UNAM has. 330 00:28:10.279 --> 00:28:15.480 The Sebo Olympic Stadium you can' t call it BBBA Stadium. Yes, 331 00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:22.880 not then, but that part because it allowed to develop a property with all 332 00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:27.799 these characteristics that I say ok I understood good point. That' s why 333 00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:33.160 everything and it' s part of that the Sol forum is born by the 334 00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:37.759 Sol beer. So it is and I heard then kennep thirty years and another 335 00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:44.440 and it is part of what the group of Alexander, on the subject of 336 00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:48.480 selling the name, because there is the Center Exhibitor City Banamex, this persistence 337 00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:55.559 of the cell and so I can go you addition of the Metropolitan, because 338 00:28:55.640 --> 00:28:59.599 it has not been sold and I sold the name to us. Why don 339 00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:02.480 ' t I know, by the way, but they have a really good 340 00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:04.160 place. I mean, it was a cinema of the 40s that you asked 341 00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:10.400 me about, for example, my friend Alejandro Ochoa, because you are born 342 00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:15.119 with these cinemas, that it is a rescue and that fortunately, because we 343 00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:19.559 were also kids. They start making that book of distant spaces. They' 344 00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:25.799 re alive from WAM and they documented all this. And, for example, 345 00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:32.480 another rescue that I find beautiful is the Fronton Mexico. Oh, I haven 346 00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:36.400 ' t had any beauty of being a real estate. Twenty years closed. 347 00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:40.039 That was 20 years. Yes, yes, yes, he was twenty- 348 00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:45.000 sorbed and with serious issues and he' s from the family, cosio de 349 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:48.319 los ingenieros. I also appreciate you trusting me every time something calls me. 350 00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:53.400 It' s an art deco building. We made it multifunctional. He' 351 00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:59.559 s got some removers, some steps down to make some retractable gras by then. 352 00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:06.319 For s has a thousand seven hundred spectators for this bresh, for example, 353 00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:11.759 concerts. You can reach more than six zero spectators, lectures, exhibitions 354 00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:18.400 have been given, I have been killed with scaffolding, as well as branded 355 00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:22.599 exact material jafar and all, and that is part of what I think we 356 00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:30.559 have mounted here in the studio that I say in some I believe more in 357 00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:37.039 furniture today than in the Real Estate ok that is. You don' t 358 00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:44.599 have to make closed systems. We have to make architecture that has the ability 359 00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:48.759 to transform itself and not just in the theme of the entertainment centers. I 360 00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:52.799 am talking about it, for example, in the case of housing, which 361 00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:56.519 are the most important. Suddenly, right now you buy yourself a terra camcorder 362 00:30:56.680 --> 00:31:02.160 apartment, why, because you have the kids or you start newly married. 363 00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:06.039 Ah, so, as an office, what' s her studio, the 364 00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:10.240 studio, your studio, and the main camera? But then it happens, 365 00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:14.480 you have the kids and then they grow up. If you have a chance, 366 00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:17.440 then you buy a house, but if not, if this is your 367 00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:21.119 initial estate, you have to think about origin. Well, if we think 368 00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:25.599 about it and then you evolve, and at the end of you, the 369 00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:30.599 children' s people come in and they' re staying and the people who 370 00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.799 have a case and then, then this one would have to be done. 371 00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:40.519 Some rent the room, next door, others because they move flat and want 372 00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:47.240 an apartment, from a bedroom. And ready and this I' ve always 373 00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:51.680 said the best country house is your friend' s. Then why invest in 374 00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:56.440 a country house you are invited and ready not, because besides, if you 375 00:31:56.480 --> 00:32:02.200 buy a house to go bravo you become slave to that bed house. Yes, 376 00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:07.759 to give it maintenance and it does that how much and you have to 377 00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:10.200 go, well, all that so for it to take advantage of exactly, 378 00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:19.160 because like that all these things here thinking you notice seeing the having so many 379 00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:22.279 properties or things like that is to look for the rent and offer this kind 380 00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:24.839 of thing. No yes, and I think that forming we had a great 381 00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:29.440 lesson now, which was about the pandemic, about how to change the spaces 382 00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:32.160 also to the needs we need at that time. We have together, the 383 00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:37.519 work, the exercise, everything inside and suddenly it was like not giving me 384 00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:40.680 the space is not giving me for myself. Then yes, I fully agree 385 00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:45.559 with you. To say, because we need architecture that can be transformed, 386 00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:51.240 not only stays always 100 percent. Not so and we see it now, 387 00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:55.160 for example, right now that we are here in the East Rome colony why 388 00:32:55.200 --> 00:33:00.119 Rome and the Countess come after a hundred years and more than a hundred years 389 00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:05.720 to be in force. And already a great plus was worth. And all 390 00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:12.359 for me, because they are neighborhoods that have an urban structure of origin, 391 00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:17.559 because you see Rome, Axis, Alvaro, Obregón, Orizaba, Plaza, 392 00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:22.880 Rio de Janeiro, Plaser, Luis Cabrera, a grid and you have a 393 00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:30.359 scheme of gardens countess park Mexico, Parque España XS. And then it' 394 00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:34.839 s like it' s been easy compared to the Pedregal. I' m 395 00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:39.759 putting it at one end and here all these neighborhoods are vivable, of course 396 00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:45.480 not all the times walking has connectivity. Sure, yeah, you got subways. 397 00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:49.720 I can tell you about several seasons. I used trobus, it has 398 00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:53.000 ecobic and everything. All right, there' s no public transport in the 399 00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:57.440 Pedregal. Everything you have to go out with a car and push the ends 400 00:33:57.519 --> 00:34:00.519 to make it easier to spread rubs and the Y and in turn, all 401 00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:07.480 those houses that were made in East Rome at the beginning of the century thousand 402 00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:10.679 nine hundred and ten. I saw in a house of nine hundred and thirteen 403 00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:15.800 and today ten. My studio house and across the street is a six- 404 00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:21.400 camera butin hotel with three bedrooms. Anyway they were houses and today they are 405 00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:27.320 little hotels or they are Airby and b and they have gone and then many 406 00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:30.599 are restaurants. You don' t have the rosette in the house this one 407 00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:36.920 that you have the white columa on Facebook married everything there in the Bruges building, 408 00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:40.400 that you have this good one, anyway, if what this is the 409 00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:45.519 dick, which is that it' s down there, and then you do 410 00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:47.519 have everything. And if you want me when I tell them I don' 411 00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:53.079 t have a parking lot in the house, but I have to have a 412 00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:55.679 boarding house and there you find a place and my garden too, because my 413 00:34:55.679 --> 00:34:59.760 garden is chapultepec. What you' re starting to do is you' re 414 00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:01.719 two miles and I' m half and you' re working out going to 415 00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:07.119 run there. Sure, then I tell you you have to start living things 416 00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:15.559 differently. And also how to operate as architects this, how to operate clear 417 00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:21.840 cities, for example, this case of the NFL, because they are many 418 00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:25.920 people who go to the stadium and you have to operate it because not two 419 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:30.440 wide streets or public transport to handle those votes. So they already tell you, 420 00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:36.320 you, we pick up in the antara, we pick you up in 421 00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:37.880 the national auditorium and they go trucks, because you won' t grow the 422 00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:42.400 streets. Yeah, it' s not impossible in this town anymore It' 423 00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:45.159 s impossible to just sit around. A little of that' s like operating 424 00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:49.880 the cities. I also do how to connect it, because I feel that 425 00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:52.360 there are still places like disconnected that the car is indispensable. And it' 426 00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:55.719 s kind of good, because you already have to use the uber or, 427 00:35:55.960 --> 00:36:00.760 the lidio or everyone else or the car of your own to go to these 428 00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:02.960 places, because they don' t have that comicity that they have, for 429 00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:07.360 example, here in the rome and countess, that already begins to see in 430 00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:08.840 the Holy Mary and in the flakes something and they begin to expand more. 431 00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:10.599 But there' s still a lot to be done in the south. I 432 00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:14.440 feel, yes, yes, yes, of course, I feel, but 433 00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:17.079 here in the center north, as it already begins to expand more. But 434 00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:22.639 a lot remains to be done again It is because they have an exact urban 435 00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:27.400 structure, because it has structure the other is the outskirts and also, for 436 00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:31.159 example, another topic is university city. There came a moment, it' 437 00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:36.400 s fifty- three fifty- four x and it worked that spoke very few 438 00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:38.960 cars to me. Passing the time came many cars and saturated all the streets. 439 00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:44.480 Yes and no, I mean, it was a very good proposal. 440 00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:50.119 That' s like a Felitial. The theme of the stadium. It has 441 00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:54.000 a capacity of 3, 000 cars and you do it there and you put 442 00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:59.639 in a pomo abus system or eleven clear lines when it gets there and then 443 00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:01.719 now you transport and you have a clean college image. Yeah, yeah, 444 00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:06.000 yeah, and you don' t have to connect second stories. It doesn 445 00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:10.760 ' t keep as it' s been and it' s exactly heritage that 446 00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:13.880 to me the pumabus thing. It makes me a wonderful thing, wonder no 447 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:16.920 more you have to stick which is the right one, it is not cheese 448 00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:22.960 is the color of the road ready, that architecture, because it is yellow 449 00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:25.199 and such is a wonderful thing of truth to connect your same university. It 450 00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:31.960 ' s wonderful because you don' t alter it any more than it already 451 00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:34.599 is, or it' s really city. The university has not changed so 452 00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:37.719 much, but I made a very good solution, both for those who are 453 00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:40.679 there that for those who visit the university city of connects or because it is 454 00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:45.079 huge, huge and connected from point to point of Universum, which is the 455 00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:51.000 furthest part of this rectory, because it is wonderful that, because there is 456 00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:52.280 a pumabus that goes and brings you, no, then it is amazing. 457 00:37:53.679 --> 00:38:00.239 That is a great solution and that is missing, I think it believes a 458 00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:02.079 very small exercise, but that, therefore, it can be expanded to, 459 00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:07.400 for example, to the mayor' s office that, for example, the 460 00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:10.079 Santa Maria, that there was no ecobici and Ahorita already begins to have stations 461 00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:14.960 and already there is beginning to be more mobility in the streets that was not 462 00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:16.119 before. Not then. So, let' s get a good look at 463 00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:19.920 it. Not because it' s too far away and, maybe, it 464 00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:22.079 ' s a risk wave and now it' s not too passable anymore. 465 00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:28.480 There' s ecobic going through the purple trucks and all that and it makes 466 00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:32.360 it more feasible for people to live it as well as here, I don 467 00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:37.159 ' t know what you think. That' s very good. Hey, 468 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:42.119 so to do all those projections you have, you must have a very big 469 00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:45.440 team. How many are in your office today. We are fourteen, that 470 00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:52.559 is fourteen, Very good, but it is again to be forming or talking 471 00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:54.960 and making them, that is to say, but in the pandemic it seems 472 00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:58.239 that not working and doing promotion of things. And that' s it. 473 00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:05.480 We were three ok Raúl, my sister Rocío and I and the guys we 474 00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:10.519 had, because we had a year holding a group like eight, but after 475 00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:16.719 a year it was all over. And the truth is, I decided to 476 00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:23.079 bet. They' re doing promotions. Then, for the opportunity was given 477 00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:34.159 that now what is the parcas clan you know where the wheel is. We 478 00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:38.800 have designed and bet we have now taken almost twelve years to develop an auditorium, 479 00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:45.199 a forum that, therefore, begins to be built at the end of 480 00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:47.599 this year and the time is very father. But well, they' re 481 00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:54.519 betting it and doing so making a hotel for cooked Philia to everyone stuck to 482 00:39:54.679 --> 00:40:01.039 what was this topic tremendously, but if not what I' m trying to 483 00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:07.760 already, at some point in my life it was up to me to have 484 00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:12.440 more than fifty people in the studio working, because it' s the issue 485 00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:15.119 of having to pay a payroll of that size and life is qualitative, not 486 00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:23.559 quantitative. So right now it' s better infrastructure, good teams, committed 487 00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:32.199 people and I have two collaborators so they' re eight years old with me 488 00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:37.079 this light and good raul the new Viridian guys who also have a while and 489 00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:42.280 already with us. But these two people are that they have supported me to 490 00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:47.320 be able to lead and there we are doing several projects in these clear and 491 00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:51.360 yes, right now for the morning, they told them to see what they 492 00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:53.559 have to say things by their name. Occa scene, prostration bow, legs, 493 00:40:55.199 --> 00:41:00.480 backstage X. They are clear guajes, yes, yes, yes, 494 00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:05.159 they have to be used. Yes or yes in architecture, well, that 495 00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:07.559 ' s right. Wow. It' s amazing and good. I thought 496 00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:10.639 your team was bigger than but it' s 14 people. Yeah, but 497 00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:15.960 I have a lot of outside advisors. Okay, it' s the people 498 00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:19.480 in the studio who give you a whole project to executive. Well, then 499 00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:24.000 my people of structures that the company is coffee with the Carlos Arroyo genre, 500 00:41:24.519 --> 00:41:30.159 also learned from it because it was the same. The frequency of music in 501 00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:34.920 structures is another theme. It' s not regulated. The theme of how 502 00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:42.519 to load a grill. It is Leonardo Rodríguez in his Saul, his engineering, 503 00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:47.480 Eduardo Dualdo, Jorge Romero, in what is the acoustic part and special 504 00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:55.800 installations he steps on with Edgar Castillo, everything that had worked and all things, 505 00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:00.639 that are equipment, that are what forms and that, therefore, they 506 00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:05.199 have their equipment. And the truth is, it' s very interesting. 507 00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:07.320 That is, for example, air conditioning would be good. The point is 508 00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:13.800 that it has the air conditioning to a room twenty degrees of tino temperature with 509 00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:16.599 fort x. But it' s not just to make a comfort or, 510 00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:23.159 be it, because your design engineer, who is pepegodinho to explain to you 511 00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:29.840 that the speed of what is injected from air does not have to make noise 512 00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:34.760 well ok suddenly you' re not in an opera, or you' re 513 00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:39.400 in a classical music concert and it' s in the climax, which is 514 00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:42.280 silence, it' s a terrible beat. I mean, then it is 515 00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:50.320 the comfort but also or the scheme of conditions a scenario. Then you don 516 00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:53.679 ' t have to move the curtains. Sure, and when you inject the 517 00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:58.039 air into the room, there' s the procedure arch. Yeah, and 518 00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:01.599 that' s done like a shot of chinos There' s pressure going there. 519 00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:07.000 Then all these things. It' s not the same as working with 520 00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:09.360 someone on condition. You have to explain all these things clear, of course, 521 00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:15.079 wow, yes, that' s a lot of detail and years of 522 00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:20.920 practice too that you' ve seen that good, and there are things that 523 00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:25.320 you have a triple heights in the national auditorium of many theaters all and this 524 00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:29.480 one why set up upstairs if there' s no one clear, because it 525 00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:32.679 matters where people are standing. Yes, exactly, then go we have many 526 00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:39.119 things done and learned over time. And indeed, when we started with the 527 00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:45.199 Palace of Sports, we knew nothing about acoustics or flows, nothing beside that 528 00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:50.519 it was born with the mote of Palacio of the rebounds. True, I 529 00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:54.559 was twelve seconds late, that is, everything was finished the artist singing and 530 00:43:54.679 --> 00:44:00.840 because upstairs I kept hearing the until well, already engineers of are put the 531 00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:06.840 curtains to absorb, not bounce. But that' s how he was born 532 00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:09.159 clear. But you' re learning. Yeah, we didn' t know 533 00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:10.880 anything, and besides, I wasn' t made for that. At first, 534 00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:15.519 it was what sport basketball was for, everything was sports, in cinema, 535 00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:20.920 what was basketball, gym, everything that has questions. And in fact, 536 00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:25.960 we started from first event and it was pan- Americans Wow, very 537 00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:31.599 well arranged the instruction for Americans. And then they already started an inexense concert 538 00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:37.480 and already the opening officer was with Billy Joel well Wow, a great artist, 539 00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:45.920 very well any exact or not exact exact. He' s a great 540 00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:49.079 great real musician that I love and hear I know you' ve done architecture 541 00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:52.000 of all kinds. You' ve already done and I know you' re 542 00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:58.639 the master of all the scenarios and everything, but there' s still a 543 00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:00.320 project that' s your crown jewel, that hasn' t arrived, that 544 00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:01.760 ' s already arrived, which one would be no. I think it' 545 00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:07.239 s good. I would like to do a lot of things not from projects, 546 00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:13.880 but, as you say right now, I think the project has never 547 00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:17.360 arrived, the star project, Ahorita, here we keep doing things. This 548 00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:22.840 one day will come and he won' t decide. Well, life' 549 00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:28.360 s the one who breaks it down and they' re gonna have to do 550 00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:32.400 it. Everyone locates the forsor, but other projects that the fronton are finally 551 00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:38.639 like children, do not have their things that give you illusion. The lining 552 00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:44.880 of the Empire of Acapulco is very beautiful, as you have me very intimate. 553 00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:51.880 They are also spectators of the GNP sand that we made for tennis and 554 00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:57.800 live like this kind of transformations and that we attend all and museums. That 555 00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:01.239 is to say, of course, already to make a museum of science industry 556 00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:07.320 with a theme of water, beer, that was a motadore project that clearly 557 00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:13.199 has already sold it the group Modelo and this one because it has just interested 558 00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:15.960 to the new company to have it. And now it' s a cultural 559 00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:19.800 center there in Toluca. That' s right, but then he hasn' 560 00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:22.320 t gotten to that star project. But which one wouldn' t, Ahorita 561 00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:25.079 would give. I think we need to keep working, but what would be. 562 00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:28.559 I don' t know what' s coming, what' s coming. 563 00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:31.239 Things have been done, for example. Yes, now with my brother 564 00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:39.320 Honorato, the son of the Masternoda, we were I recently made last year. 565 00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:46.519 This is an airport. He has a lot of experience in the subject 566 00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:51.239 of aeronautics and was my father because we did a collaboration and he focused a 567 00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:59.480 course. Unfortunately, they evaluated it more by topic expensive architectural contests that are 568 00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:02.400 made deep architecture and it will cost what it has to cost, of course 569 00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:07.039 not, if they had not been said, we want it to be with 570 00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:15.840 such a budget and remained very father and then so you also have many projects 571 00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:21.480 that I gave the chair Federico Mariscal two thousand twelve and the chair and I 572 00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:25.000 called thinking and rethinking the architecture. Yes, and several conferences in which I 573 00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:30.079 have been asked to speak, because there are many times talks about parent projects 574 00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:37.599 everything, but there is also frustration. So I' ve presented projects that 575 00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:42.599 frustration is necessary in anyone' s life if you don' t have a 576 00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:45.320 frustration, like you can have a comparison of the father and then gross clear. 577 00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:51.280 And then, put, for example, a multi- function Stimedith Baiseball 578 00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:57.039 in the inkwell was left in the university after it had been approved by UNESCO. 579 00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:05.000 And everything, and because there are variables that don' t depend on 580 00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:07.960 one not another. For example, I taught him a stadium of Mr Hernández 581 00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:14.840 ' s auto end for the team all the messa complete project developed paid me, 582 00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:20.840 we moved a million cubic meters and I had invested ten million dollars it 583 00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:24.280 and simply, because it changed and stayed there I day, but because we 584 00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:27.760 did not finish it. I mean, and he, because he had the 585 00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:30.800 equipment of all the tables and the zacatepec. And well, and this is 586 00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:34.480 for calling you or not then. Suddenly, one day, many years ago, 587 00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:44.800 a friendÁlvaro gave himself an engineer, gave me a little book from 588 00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:46.559 Frank Lock Wright, of all the projects that were not built. It was 589 00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:51.320 a book. Yeah, there' s a lot of things that stayed that 590 00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:55.519 way. The frustration, because you already do it and cham and the trap 591 00:48:55.559 --> 00:49:00.239 are the contests and they will be in a second place, because for me 592 00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:04.599 it is of first loser, since and even with certain number, certain that 593 00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:07.960 it is already in the second to nothing. But because you were in second 594 00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:09.320 place in that try forgiveness, yes, the truth is that those are the 595 00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:14.559 things that it was, for example, in the case of the theater of 596 00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:20.440 o De was an invitation contest and in the end there were three and the 597 00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:25.119 team meridian that I tell them at ease the Bunch and this truth. And 598 00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:31.000 so for one thing, so are these things. They swam And so, 599 00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:36.519 you stay chin and I remember that it was good on February 4, because 600 00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:40.320 the next day it was the university of the plate of all Mexico ok and 601 00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:45.360 they said no longer want to be architect, ah flat, when I decided 602 00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:49.280 I returned from what I wanted to go to the bulls. It wasn' 603 00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:53.360 t at the time. But not anymore. They are not great architects, 604 00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:58.639 no, and good friends, yes it is also that this trade because I 605 00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:04.360 have always said that it is like a pyramid where we all leave the base 606 00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:09.519 that is the one cop the wab that you want. And I see and 607 00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:14.559 then over time I' ve realized that it' s getting the tip of 608 00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:20.239 the pyramid and closing the circle of people who are doing things clearly. Yeah, 609 00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:23.079 yeah, yeah. That happens at least as close to me as generationally 610 00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:32.360 speaking. They are a little more boys Javier Sánchez and Mauricio Rocha de Lona, 611 00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:37.000 very well hears and what he is doing, very ao arquitectos, Ahorita, 612 00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:40.079 because we are with this that told you, Ahorita, about the development, 613 00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:49.840 the asclan. We are with the lining in Cancún and with a entertainment 614 00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:58.119 center so that it is a little waiting for a matter of permits, here, 615 00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:02.920 a rescue, a fronton in the sures of the Lisas Group, but 616 00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:07.960 we are sewn and a good hotel, several things there that we are promoting 617 00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:12.440 there giving it very well. This is because we' re already hired. 618 00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:17.000 Ah good to see the others still and you still do the area to promote 619 00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:22.960 it. Of course, then this yes very well hear, but I think 620 00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:27.199 you don' t need so much promotion, because your work speaks for you 621 00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:30.840 sun, because you have to be anyway having yes, yes, that is, 622 00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:36.119 no. I' ve never been able to get you to finish the 623 00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:39.480 famous geo güey page. It' s all been like this, because you 624 00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:44.719 publish things, uh- huh, but well something has worked out No, 625 00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:47.039 yeah, of course, your work speaks for itself and that well, it 626 00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:49.559 ' s also a way to promote you. And, but then, web 627 00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:51.519 page for what if you don' t need it. I say no, 628 00:51:51.639 --> 00:51:55.760 then in vita. At the moment I was talking to one of the guys 629 00:51:55.800 --> 00:52:01.880 who was right now who said about sales as they do now through social networks, 630 00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:08.360 because yes, many dawn yes, of course, he doesn' t 631 00:52:08.559 --> 00:52:13.480 hear who your five favorite architects are or that you have in your sights. 632 00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:19.599 I believe that of the people who have always admired him, I do not 633 00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:22.400 remember that one day being at the Venice Biennial, which is one thing that 634 00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:29.039 I suggest to you that I had to start enjoying them through that the pavilion 635 00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:36.639 of Mexico was made, this previously nadianal of the Mexican pavilion and presented a 636 00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:39.840 project of mine, that of Fuero de Acapulco. Then all of a sudden, 637 00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:45.559 because I believe a lot in each side, no and that it was 638 00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:52.800 my turn to see it and to buy a book where he had signed his 639 00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:57.760 work Picter Suntor, it is crossing it and you almost put it as if 640 00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:00.119 it were your bread so complete of it. Well, I really like Renzo 641 00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:07.719 Piano very much what the way I analyze and everything about Rogers and Sín more 642 00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:15.400 Rogers than Foster, but Rafael Moneo or I' m going to tell you 643 00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:19.639 a lot of what I have. No and obviously here, because in Mexico 644 00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:25.119 we all in one way have an admiration for what it was there that has 645 00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:32.079 transcended Barragan' s work. Of course, I like everything Agram sol Dowsky 646 00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:39.320 handled, yes, and the way to organize, pcentorize that Don Pedro Ramírez 647 00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:45.039 Vázquez had. Yes, very certain people and right now, because there are 648 00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:51.880 many young people who are doing things and I like the time to knock. 649 00:53:51.960 --> 00:54:00.280 I like to speak of Mauricio Rocha, of Javier Sánchez himself, in short 650 00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:06.079 several that could be said long list of all the Japanese. They' re 651 00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:08.079 a not- good thing too, yeah? Yeah? Yeah? And that 652 00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:13.400 as a starting point. I' m sorry to understand all these things, 653 00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:19.719 but most of all it' s that movement of provoking and knowing, approaching 654 00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:25.039 projects. Right, I don' t know. It' s part of 655 00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:30.719 what you' ve called me in college and keep studying things and seeing the 656 00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:35.239 moves that are taking place. I' m a fan of the Bauhause movement. 657 00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:40.639 I' ve studied it carefully and going to know the building twice already, 658 00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:45.679 almost going to Germany and asking a friend that I have is Gaspar Woodyno 659 00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:50.800 who lives in Berlin, in Mexican. It' s a wake up in 660 00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:57.880 everything he gets. You call a guide all this and good to visit. 661 00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:00.800 It' s like going to the temple doesn' t have its temples, 662 00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:01.960 of course, yeah, does it? It' s very true. Everyone 663 00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:07.039 has their temples, which only one knows why? That' s very good, 664 00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:09.679 hey, it' s been an amazing conversation and I hope it' 665 00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:13.719 s not the last time, because the last time you were with us was 666 00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:15.639 six years ago. Please don' t spend another six years having you here 667 00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:20.000 with us and keep telling me your anecdotes, because you have so many. 668 00:55:20.360 --> 00:55:23.400 That' s right, we' ll talk about what happens a couple of 669 00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:27.119 months in a couple of months. Please, hey, I' d like 670 00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:34.880 to finish this big talk now. With you wondering or rather what you would 671 00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:38.119 say to the new generations of architects that, just as you want to throw 672 00:55:38.239 --> 00:55:42.159 yourself in the ring of saying well, I want to put myself in office 673 00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:45.039 or already putting it. What would you say to them? I would tell 674 00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:50.199 you a little bit that, as I said poster is that in this trade 675 00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:53.760 we have to be curious and creative. Yeah, and have the curious zero, 676 00:55:54.039 --> 00:56:00.360 not to tell him that it' s really research, analyze the things 677 00:56:00.519 --> 00:56:08.280 that don' t get carried away by the fashions of all the things that 678 00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:17.679 if they' re confusing, to make architecture because you drive a i e 679 00:56:17.920 --> 00:56:21.840 the reddit the I don' t know what each are working tools, of 680 00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:27.559 course, and then suddenly they say good, neither am I a good manager 681 00:56:27.559 --> 00:56:27.800 and everything, but they don' t say clear to solve things. Then 682 00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:30.480 you have to do what I tell you if I' m going to make 683 00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:34.559 a door, when you have to see curious it is, then, I 684 00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:37.480 ' m going to make a door from where, then, a gate of 685 00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:40.440 the door to grab. So, then, to investigate how they' re 686 00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:45.079 done, to have what hardware they handle, blah blah, not just to 687 00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:52.039 be drawing it, it' s not a copy pas Then you have and 688 00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:55.400 it' s all that if I want to make a boob, I take 689 00:56:55.519 --> 00:56:59.599 to the theater and I see and I' m where I' m going 690 00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:05.480 that if I had the chance to go to Australia, of course I' 691 00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:07.079 m going to have a concert at the clear movie opera and I take the 692 00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:08.960 explanation tour, from the backstage of the testime. Yeah, yeah, then, 693 00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:14.360 and of course all that cult stuff, knowledge stuff, at some point 694 00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:21.039 it' s gonna present you something, but you already have a file in 695 00:57:21.960 --> 00:57:25.960 your head of all this information and you can drive it into a creative part 696 00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:30.559 the moment you get it. He' s asking for a pleasant hotel in 697 00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:34.599 the room today too. How you arrived in New York and you have rooms 698 00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:38.800 that are truly unclosed Why, then, because the bed is high and down 699 00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:45.480 the chamber, you guard the matter of the east manalette. Why, because 700 00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:50.320 the square meter is very expensive. There, yes, it is not the 701 00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:52.400 same that you go to a beach that you have, that is, for 702 00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:57.519 example, the Princesses Hotel, which have its rooms of almost a hundred square 703 00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:00.480 meters, but of the old one. We' re not talking about how 704 00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:07.000 to make a hotel clear and all these things, the curious observer being learning, 705 00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:09.559 reading as much as he can and yes, traveling as he can. 706 00:58:09.960 --> 00:58:15.639 I, unfortunately, started to travel to like pleasure and enjoy things, since 707 00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:22.440 relatively already large, but obviously because the people who worked from Sunday to Sunday, 708 00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:25.639 in fact, work Sunday Sunday, but now otherwise, that is, 709 00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:31.360 enjoying the studio, we work Monday to Friday, well we work Monday to 710 00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:37.559 Saturday. Right now, if Monday through Friday, we start at 8: 711 00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:43.159 00 a m we finish at 7: 00 a m, that part of 712 00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:49.519 being ordered that, for example, light tail has it, that is, 713 00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:52.920 boys respect at lunchtime. The idea is two and a half, four and 714 00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:55.880 a half hours of food. Well there in the studio very strange his things, 715 00:58:57.280 --> 00:59:01.679 but we are always talking about food, I as with three of my 716 00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:07.880 collaborators, also with Roberto so that we are talking and we are working, 717 00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:14.119 eating and we are this time hearing all seeing things. Maybe they don' 718 00:59:14.119 --> 00:59:19.440 t happen in the studio. Maybe not calmer now. It' s settled 719 00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:23.480 and yes, I' ve got Marie, who' s a teacher, 720 00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:30.480 the girl who cooks everything for me, who' s over 20 years old 721 00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:32.559 with me, who' s so cute that the batting nanny who' s 722 00:59:32.559 --> 00:59:36.679 now twenty- two. So they' re like those things I' m 723 00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:40.280 doing to you and you really have to take advantage of. Hey, for 724 00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:45.639 example, last night we were invited to bowling and show at the cinema. 725 00:59:46.280 --> 00:59:54.280 You are tired and you say yes, but I went and we see how 726 00:59:54.840 --> 01:00:00.920 the product is again two years ago in the halls, because tar to the 727 01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:05.280 clear day and that invite you to the positions that if you are going to 728 01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:10.679 see new materials, in order to take advantage of everything and for already yahar 729 01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:15.679 as much as you can. Well, that' s a great big real 730 01:00:15.719 --> 01:00:21.320 thing that you keep and learn a lot. No doubt about it. Thank 731 01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:24.800 you very much for being with us and thank you for closing the season with 732 01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:30.840 us. Thank you very much, thank you very much. Thank you for 733 01:00:30.159 --> 01:00:34.800 not and well, thank you very much to the audience that was listening to 734 01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:37.960 us all season, the first season. We listen to each other until autumn, 735 01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:40.639 but John d' Radio doesn' t stay alone. Emiliano and Lorena 736 01:00:40.639 --> 01:00:45.199 stay, who are about to premiere their programs. So summer' s still 737 01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:47.880 here on D Radio. But I listen to each other in autumn for all 738 01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:52.280 the events that are already coming and that we do high coverage here in Drreo. 739 01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:54.159 Really, thank you very much to the audience. Remember that you can 740 01:00:54.239 --> 01:01:00.360 listen to us for all the music streaming Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music, 741 01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:04.199 Google Podcast. Everything that ends in podcast, of going, everything that 742 01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:07.320 ends there with music, there we are, so there is no one, 743 01:01:07.519 --> 01:01:09.079 but it is worth without them not being missed. And so again, thanks 744 01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:13.320 to the architect PP like me for being here with us. Thank you very 745 01:01:13.400 --> 01:01:16.239 much, thank you very much for the opportunity. See you later, bye bye.