You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network and now it's time for the Paranormal
peep Show. Hi, welcome to the parannor Will peep Show on the parannor
Will UK Radio Network. I'm Neil Gettis Wold and once more I'm joined by
Andy Chaplain. But welcome return to Andy. We haven't seen for a while.
Andy. What you've been up to and where have you been and how
are you? Yeah? I'm pretty good. I've been a busy bunny basically.
So the events are really picked up. There's a lot of my life
is basically whizzing around pubs putting banners and signs up when delivering posters, are
then dealing with event changes and things like that. So yeah, all over
the place. So you've been throwing curved balls in your in your professional life.
Yeah. So, I mean there's this old thing, isn't there about
canceled due to unforeseen circumstances within the psychic world. And there's one of my
venues down south actually that is no longer going ahead because there's a dispute between
the brewing a company. But what we've done we found a different venue up
the road which they're going to now take over and do it. So that's
good, but it just means a lot of racing around last minute and sorting
things out, a lot of fun. Wow. Okay, so your evenings
are a lot busier now because you're folks and a lot more and you're tuned
in events for anyone that's interested. Yeah, yeah, it's good. It's
it's definitely getting and we're always looking for new venues and we're changing our format
a little bit. So we started off first of all just doing psychic one
to one readings, and then we moved on to doing psychic one to one
readings and group mediumship demonstrations. We're now doing all of that plus ghost stories
because some of our clairvoyants are actually paranormal investigators and they've done ghost hunts and
things like that, and they've had a lot of weird supernatural experiences, and
we thought it'd be a fantastic idea to let people at the pubs that come
to our events experience, you know, some of the stories that they've encountered,
including down my hometown in where there's one particular venue where that a skeleton
man has been seen poking behind the doors, and we did a Dickensian evening
probably around about in December time, where we did kind of psychic stories and
psychic demos stuff, and one of our readers actually saw the skeleton man pop
his head round the door, like literally as we were dressed up as psychic
victorians thing, and it's literally kind of like a very pale, very kind
of like gaunt looking almost skeleton type man just poked his head round and disappeared,
and they heard kind of whispering and talking in the corners, so that
yeah, and it was bizarre really, And this is where I swear Spirit
is ramping things up for us to give us ammunition so to speak, or
stories for our events, because another one of our psychics saw traveling back from
a venue in Letchworth too, I think it was Saint Albans, but they
went kind of down a place called Hitchen Road and they saw a spirit walk
across the road, the spirit of a man. And the next day they
found a grave in the field, just like a single, lone grave in
the field of where this actually took place. And they only found that found
that out the day after. So interesting. If anyone does want to kind
of look into this kind of thing or has any venue suggestions and South of
England go to tuned in Events, Tuned with the de tuned in Events find
us on Facebook, Instagram, website still being updated but face Facebook definitely is
that dot co dot uk. Yeah, tune in events dot co dot uk
or on Facebook tuned in Events. There's a group and a page and messages
through that. Okay. So so basically for those who don't know that obviously
we talk quite regularly about this thing that you do. It's it's basically psychic
evenings. Yeah, people coming along for psychic demonstrations, psychic readings and now
you're adapting to actually for people to relate stories and things like that. Yeah,
this is it. So this we do one to one readings, which
is a separate thing, and then we do group demonstrations psychic demonstrations plus ghost
stories and that's another separate thing, but they both happen on the same evening.
Wow, that sounds a good thing to go to. So for anyone
that's you're in the Hartford share it, but you're you're branching out now,
so yeah, we're we're looking into We do mostly Hertfordshire, Essex, North
London, Buckinghamshire, Bedfordshire, Cambridgehire, but we are branching out a little
bit into Kent and kind of East Sussex and Hampshire area as well. Right,
So if you're any of those counties and your fancy taking part in one
of and is tuned in events, go to tuned in Events dot co dot
uk to find out further information. I suppose you have a post in listens
of where you're appearing and things like that. Yeah. As I say,
the website is being updated, so it's better to go into Facebook, so
the latest for all the latest ones and find our group or page. Cool.
Excellent. Well, I wonder if they have anything like tuned in events
up in the North of England because you're you seem to be covering the south
quite well. Yeah yeah, I really touched the north. Yeah, so
we might as well bring out guesting. Maybe you can tell us if there's
anything similar to that other North. So like a welcome Craig Briant as the
Paranormal Radio UK Radio's other show, which is the Paranormal Pendul podcast. Welcome
to Craig Bryant up in Lancashire in the North of England. How are you,
Craig? Great? Thank you very much for having me on. Wonderful
too were to talk to you. Keep you joined us And in answer to
Andy's question, do you have anything like tuning and ends up north that you're
aware of? Not that I'm aware of. My Fred said no, maybe
maybe you need to to branch out to a little bit to further north.
Fantastic. Yeah, I'm sure. I mean maybe that's where Craig can you
know, start his own version of it. Yeah, yeah, you go
correct, Yeah, that's right. It'd be what do they call it when
when you buy a thing in company and you go off on your own franchise,
franchise. There you go, you gotta start franchises, Andy, So
there we go. Cool, Well, thank you for joining us. Craig.
So you're, as I mentioned, you're a member of the Parann the
UK Radio network as well. You're a host yourself now and you've been having
your show. How long you been running your show on the Parann the UK
Radio network, Probably for about two years? Yeah, I don't I'm not
as prolific as some. I tend to sort of do a shot every sort
of two to three weeks. Really, I think I up to about so
I've just recorded episode thirty seven. So yeah, a couple of years.
Wow. And I mean we've been doing us for about since two thousands sixteen
or seventeen, I think, Andy, haven't we do once a month mostly?
So, I mean once a month is old enough to get a show
out. Really, I don't know how these people do it once a week,
you know, like Mark and Irene and other people. But I'm just
too well, Andy's very busy. I'm so busy. So we just kind
of managed to cram it in a little bit somewhere within our busy mouth.
We try and cramming at least a recording to to get out as the people.
So what prompted you to start doing a Paranormal Pendule podcast? Well,
really, it's sort of stemmed from the fact that I wrote a book which
which was something that I've been meaning to do for a long time, and
about three years ago I actually sat down and put virtual pent to virtual paper
in other words, keyboard to screen and wrote the book. And it was
basically a book which was which is about my own personal experiences experiences of family,
friends and people at a sport too when I was When I was researching
the book, very much based around the area that I grew up in,
which is East Lancashire, so the town of Accrington is a sort of center
um. And once I have published that on Amazon, I then sort of
sat there and I thought, right, what do I do next? Or
write another book, or do I try something different? And the idea of
doing a podcast, which was something that I hadn't really thought about in the
past, just suddenly popped into into my mind because I've been a guest on
a number of podcasts up to this point, obviously talking about talking about the
book and being quite new to the whole to the whole scene. Really how
I was in quite a bit of demand, it seemed at the time.
I was doing quite quite a lot of interviews for various different podcasts, and
I just thought, you know what, I'm going to give it a go.
I'll have a go. If it works, he works, if he
doesn't, it doesn't. And you know, I've enjoyed doing it. I
mean, he can be a little bit stressful trying to get guests and fitted
all. And as you say, you know, I've got a full time
job, I'm married, I'm a father. I fact, I've just had
a very interesting conversation with a very stressed out sixteen year old who's going through
his GCSS. So yes, So of course, you know, a life
does get in the way of doing all these sort of things. But I've
spelt some really interesting guests over the last couple of years. I've had some
really high profile guests on there. I've spoken to people about some fascinating subjects,
some really interesting stories, some really interesting points of view, and it's
just been a real pleasure to talk to. I would say probably nine to
five percent of the people I've had on the shore, you know I've been,
have been really really good, and I've really enjoyed speaking to them.
You know, you have a name drop and say who you've had him.
Yeah, I was very lucky to get Paul Sinclaire on quite early on m
Paul reciprocated and had me on his live stream. I've been on the a
couple of times now. I've had Philip Man, Paul. I've had a
local, a local guy called um Oh Simon and Twistle who Yeah, he
has the stories, doesn't even the peoples. Yeah, yeah, he's he's
a local local guide, local paralormal guide from Clitherof, which is the nearest
time to to our hour live it a couple of miles down the road.
Um. So he was actually the first guest that I had on So so
yeah, I've had some really I've had both of the both Philip and Ronald
Kinsella, the Friends of Ours. Yeah, I actually have them on separate
one after the other, so rather than have them both at the same time,
which was which was quite quite interesting, you know, different different points
of view. So yeah, I've had some really interesting, really interesting people
on there. You learn a lot actually, because it's amazing when people bring
their subject to the table and they start to divulge things and just say off
the cuff things that you think, well, that's a bit of the gem
of a story that you've just told me there. And you know, within
the two years you've been running, you know, you've probably accumulated so much
information that you otherwise come across. Oh and I've I mean a good example
of that. The last podcast that it was with a chuck called Dave Hadrian
by no date Yeah, yeah, well newer FO group. Yeah that's the
one. So he um he it just it was one of those podcasts it's
just just went off and it just went off in a direction that I didn't
expect it to go. And he started telling me about various different UFO production
cases. And I hope that as I was sat here, it was going
dark outside, and I was getting more and more because it was audio home
way. Yeah, but I was sort of getting more and more like this
as he was telling me. I was getting actually quite scared. When he
was telling me, I was, you know, there were noises and things
going on all around me and I what have you? Um, And yet
great storytelling really you know, set set the scene really well, really atmospheric,
um, you know, episode really thought provoking as well, and a
little bit disturbing. And I think sometimes it's it's great to go down that
route. You know, you can have the sort of ghost stories which which
I've had, you know, which are so they can be a little more
titillating sometimes rather than being you know, down right oh you know, a
little bit m scary scary. Yeah, I'm thinking I'm like, you know,
scary or worrying or a bit you know, iving disturbing and non nerving.
Yeah. Yeah, So so yeah, that was that that was a
really interesting power and ass I must start mate, Yeah, it almost it's
like being taken into the Twilight Zone with a lot of this stuff. For
any people that remember the Twilight's album and they did repeat, so it actually
back in the eighties, I think on TV, I think you can catch
episodes of the Twilight Zone for anyone that likes that kind of stuff. On
YouTube. They have great stuff on YouTube. Old films, science fiction films
I've watched sometimes, you know, sometimes better than Netflix because there's something kind
of nice about the at the time that they were made, some of these
old science fiction films, and they're just kind of, I don't know,
this kind of weirdly, strangely comforting. Even though the special effects aren't that
great, there's something comforting about them. I don't want it is. Maybe
it's some nostalgic stuff. I don't know. Yeah, the sort of quite
simple, aren't they. Yeah yeah, but you know it's what we kind
of grew up on that sort of stuff, isn't it. You know it's
like strange but true it slightly different thing. But classical shows. Yeah,
yeah, I grew up watching UFO Space nineteen ninety Yeah. Yeah, Tells
of the Unexpected as well. There were several episodes of those that still resonate
with me today has been quite quite disturbing, so so tooky of disturbing,
Craig. Can you can you rattle through a time of events of things that
you've experienced in supernatural woo in your life? Yeah? Whether it will begin,
um, well, yeah, it began an awful long time ago.
I have been interested in in the paranormal really ever since I was a small
child. I spent a lot of time with my maternal grandparents, and my
grandfather was was a real the good storyteller, and he had an interesting in
ghost stories and local legends up and all those those sort of weird, strange
stories. Um. And looking back on it now, for him to be
you know, recounting these stories to a six seven eight year old child was
probably a little bit scary. But I actually loved listening to these stories that
he used to tell me. And it was really those times that that sort
of started my interest in the paranormal. And then as I got older and
got into my teens, um, these things sort of leaving a little bit
and you have different you know, different interest in life and different priorities in
life and so on. Well, then the mid eighties, I was and
I was at college. I was working part time in It was a very
old sort of members club, UM with you know, a bar and a
big room with snooker tables, and it was a it was an old conservative
club in Acrington. Now unfortunately the building isn't there anymore. It's um it
succumbed to to Arson about well but ten years ago now, I think something
like that. UM. But when I worked there, it was it was
stole very much in its um, in its original grandeur as a building,
and it was it was a really really interesting place just just to be in
there. But I actually had quite an interesting experience with what people now call
a shadow man or a half man. UM. It was at the time
it wasn't a phrase that that was particularly well known. I mean, you
know, obviously back in the mid Ages, we didn't have um, you
know, the Internet, we didn't have um, you know, the the
pex asia that these sort of things have now, UM, And we certainly
didn't have the radio shows on the podcasts and that sort of thing. So
this sudden new this this description has been sort of attached to this type of
phenomenon since. But at the time I thought that I had just seen a
ghost or some sort of some sort of ghostly apparition, And it was actually
whilst I was I was in the club. I was working in the club
one night and I actually saw this figure through. It was sort of like
I was working behind behind one of the bars and in the room next door,
in the adjacent room there was it was quite a large room and it
was worth they had all the snooker tables, so there was those three full
size twelve foot by six foot snooker tables in the secret imagine. It was
quite quite a big room, and there was a sort of waist high serving
hatch at the end of the bar. It was it was only a very
probably I don't know, cook but maybe to me to square something like that
to meters bad to me because it wasn't a particularly big big opening um.
And obviously people who were playing snowker they used to come certain that that was
the part of the bar that used to come to in that room, and
you know, you certain drinks want it, but there was nobody in the
belt the bar this particular evening we were about to close up. It was
only about half an hour before we were due to closed. I mean,
this is back in the day were used to close that, you know,
bars used to close ten o'clock or half ten whatever during the week. Um.
And there was nobody in the snooker room. It was called cletely empty.
There was nobody in the bar area. And I saw this figure through
the serving hatch, stood at the other side of the serving hatch in the
in the snooker room in that area of the building. Um. And it
was sort of very tall, very thin. Um. I could remember seeing
that it was wearing what looked like a hat, a son of like a
sort of Fedora type hat. It wasn't like a top hat or or a
stove pipe hat, like a Dick Tracy type pet. Yeah, yeah,
that sort of thing. Yeah. Yeah. So it wasn't like a Victorian
stove pipe hat or anything like that as he's called the store, Yes,
stove pipe hats. Used to call him the long you know Pi and Bard
Kingdom Brunelle type thing. It was more a sort of floppy type hat.
Um. And yeah, this this figure, although there was no official features,
it was just a very dark outline and a very dark shape. I
could see that it had arms. I could I could see that it had
a torso because I could only see it from the waist up because of where
the bar was. But he was leaning forward and it was almost like it
was leaning through the hatch and looking through on the other on my side of
the hatch and looking down at the floor with its arms on either side.
And this this stayed there for a few seconds, probably about four or five
seconds, and then it just disappeared completely um and we had and he's sort
could did you see through it? Or was it? Could you make it
out of details? So it was solid. It was a solid, dark
shape, so I come to see through it was a translucent trength thill like
that. But there were no facial features, there were no features of clawthing.
It was just a defined black mat um and you know, in the
shape of a figure with with this heart um. And as I said,
this was this was the min eighties, so we didn't have mobile phones or
anything like that, but we did have an internal phone system because the building
was actually on three floors. Now, I'm a seller, and the only
other person that I knew that that was in um was in the building at
the time was the guy who used to run the club. He was a
steward and he was upstairs on the third floor. Um. So I rang
up using the internal fall system and I said, Pindy, come downstairs.
Something really weirds just so he said, yeah, but worth that effect.
I'll keep it clean. Um And anyway back for sex Lettery came through the
door. Um, and it's looked at me and he said blind He said,
you all right, said you like, look like you've seen a ghost.
And that's straight as ly enough. I think I've come and he said,
oh so so he said, well you've seen it as well, have
you? And I said, well, what do you mean? He said,
all right, he said, I've seen it, and it's been seen
back quite a few of the people over the years who've who've worked here,
many of whom have seen it and left and never come back. And he
described it perfectly. And he also described exactly where I had seen it.
So he said through the serving act in the snoo career on the other side,
long tall, thin figure sort of thing, um. And I said,
yeah, that's that's the one, um and um and yeah, that
that was it. I don't think he really scared me at the time.
I was more um curious as a strigued by it. Intrigue yeah, and
then sort of, you know, a little bit perplexed. I think probably
the best best way. And I didn't realist to mention it to anybody else
because he just didn't you know, I didn't want people to to think I
was going a bit dr lally, you know, even though you know what
I'd seen had been corroborated. It's not something that I wanted to want to
talk about. But over the years as sponts sponts people friends who do worked
in the club over the years and you know, associate some what have you,
and you know, they allude to seeing something strange or they alluded to
hearing that somebody had seen something strange. So so it's definite, definitely quite
a prolific sighting if they worked out who it might be, like if there's
any murders, suicide or anything that tragedy that happened, um well, interestingly
for a long time. No, But then when I was doing some reason
search for the second book, than I wrote there's a street very close by
to where the club was called Warner Streets, and Warner Street is probably the
right people who do a lot of paranorial investigations in the Northwest, right and
it's probably one of the most haunted streets that they investigate, and there is
one particular premises that's had quite a lot of investigation done into it. Now.
I interviewed a local medium a couple of years ago, actually was one
of the early podcast interviews started, and she mentioned a entity that they had
picked up on called Josiah and he was described as being a very tall,
thin man with a hat. Now they'd had they'd had this experience, and
in fact, it was quite a violent entity. I think it's the best
best way to describe it was very very classic Poltergist activity. There was a
lot of a lot of movement of things, other things being thrown, and
there was a lot of physical shoving and pushing. And Diane, who's the
medium that I spoke to, her husband was actually physically pushed down the stairs.
They saw. They picked this up at this venue. You're saying,
it wasn't the same venue where I saw it, where I saw the figure,
but it was literally within about a quarter of a mile, right.
But the interesting thing about because the description was was too similar for me,
and I wonder whether this this particular entity is moving about now. The reason
why I'm saying that is because when I did some I actually started to do
a bit of research online into because she mentioned a murder. So when I
started doing some research into this particular murder, it was a letter called Ann
Courts who had been murdered, and there was the murder was that. This
was back in the late nineteenth century. So it's all in the second book,
the whole story. But briefly, what had happened was a young boy
had been charged with the murder because he'd found the body, but she was
still alive actor when he found her. She died later on from from her
own she had been stabbed. And it was only at the trial, which
was at Lancaster Lancaster Castle, that an anonymous letter was received from somebody who
a number of days later after the murder had taken place, had been talking
to what he describes as a very tall, very thin, very gaunt looking
man in a public house in bolt Now, people who don't know the area
in Bolton is probably about, I would says, about twenty miles from Acrington,
twenty twenty five miles. But back in those days before we had major
robes and motorways, you know, it will probably take you a good half
a day to get there by horse or horse and cart or whatever. This
was obviously before the days of motor cars. Um. And this particular gentleman,
this very tall thing called gentleman, had confessed he was drunk in this
pub, this pub, and he confessed to this anonymous letter writer that he
had murdered Anne Courts in Acrington a few days earlier. And the next day
they actually found his body dead on the railway lines in the center of Bolton.
So um, it would seem that the same the same man, the
man who had you know, prated the murder, and obviously he fled the
scene, got as far away as he possibly could a confessed something had happened,
and he ended up being found dead on the railway lines. But then,
of course his spirit has come back and he's haunting that the premises were,
as it turns out, this murder had taken place. But I'm pretty
convinced that it's the same spirit that he's moving around, because it has been
seen or there's been sightings of the tall, thin, shadowy figure in the
area in general, in the sort of you know, half a mile square
area around Worthy the old club was, and this particular shop and Warner Street,
so it's possible they are the same. I can't prove it, but
I think the description and everything else would seem to be, you know,
too much of a coincidence. Tom So it could be the he's frequenting like
where he used to hang out at, Yeah, the air. It would
be interesting. Do do do the venues that this particular entity has been seen,
do they all report the same thing in terms of violent activity or poltergeist
activity? That would be interesting. Well with regards to the because it's a
shop on Wall streets, So with regards to the shop, then the guess
there is um quite a lot of poltergeist activity. And in fact it was
it was hind when somebody decided to go in and foolishly use auigible Yeah,
and he meant things an awful lot worse. With regards to the club where
I used to work, as I said, unfortunately about ten years ago it
burned down and there's nothing there at them and it's it's just it's just basically
a pile of pile of rubble. You know. People have been trying to
get Planet permission to build on the site. Now, that would be interesting
if they do if somebody does build something on the site to see whether there
is any politic gist activity that you know comes forward from from that, because
I've no doubt that whatever the spirit is, whatever the entities is, probably
still in that area. It's interesting. There's two points I'd like to say
about that is. One is at ball Erectory famous the most haunted house in
Britain allegedly burned down and that's how it ended in the nineteen thirties and down.
So you know your Conservative Club burnt down as well. Now, whoever,
you know, someone obviously started a fire at ball Directory, someone obviously
started a fire at the Conservative Club. Who they were, we don't know.
But it's interesting these places a big ghosts end up getting burnt down to
the ground. And I wonder despeculatively that you know, there was a medium
in the town of Chesham where I lived, and he was a very very
good medium years ago that he gave me a reading the Spiritist Church, but
a lot of people not known much about spiritualism or mediums kind of thought that
he was a kind of a witch type bloke and he suffered of far in
his own house, where people literally thrown fire bombs at his house or something
like that, you know, after he had died. Wow, And so
they literally tried to burn down his house. Yeah, he was a really
nice guy and everything just he'd happened to be really talented, accurate medium.
But it's again the people that don't understand these things. It's modern mentality and
fire rules the game, and they'll try and burn it down. So I
wonder if you conservative club the words got round there's something nasty there and they're
trying to destroy it, you know, Um, yeah, entirely possible.
I mean it was. It was empty for for quite a while. He
did actually clause as a as a club, and he became a nightclub for
a for a short period of time. And then there was unfortunately a fatality
outside the nightclub and they they're lost the license to trade. And then it's
empty for quite a while, and it fell into quite serious disrepair. And
I have photographs of have somebody had managed to get inside and take photographs of
it in its stead to disrepair. So that was a bit upsetting, really'd
see that because it was quite you know, it was quite a magnificent building
inside. How old was the building roughly eighteen ninety six. I think he
was built, but it had been a listed building perhaps, Oh yeah,
yeah it was. Yeah, you see, that's that's what one of the
problems with it was because it was because it was a bread too listed building.
Um, people who wanted to take it over and do things where they
couldn't get a planning permission. Yeah. So and so it just he just
laid empty and just fell into fell into a state disrepair. Yeah. It's
interesting because I mean, years and years ago there was a pub in Chesham
called, I think it's still there there the Dragon or something, the Dragon
figure what it was to cook something, the Dragon that we used to do
plays in their years ago. And in the upstairs bar they had found someone
had found old drawings that someone had done on the wall from literally the time
of the eighteen or seventeen hundreds, like we that you'd call them cartoons,
but they weren't. They were literally drawings, you know, quite accurate drawings,
you know, people with like the Dick Turbin hats and they're drawn them
on the wall from their time of you know, and the new bomb.
The guy who took over the pub some years later was saying, oh,
it's a shame you know, I really want to paper over that and you
know, put stuff up there. But I'm not an altar. It's like,
God, you know, don't you appreciate history? You know the I
think they've actually been framed. You've got glass and to protect them because they
were an enlisted thing, you know, And I think when they discovered it
was all in the papers. Well look at these historical drawings. This is
history stuff. And this guy just wanted to take up the whole lot and
just paper it over, not giving it shit as so long as he made
a load of money, he was quite happy to do that. And it's
quite annoying that these people want to do that. So you can see why
that they're It's a very difficult thing when people want to take you over a
listed building about what they can and can't do with it. But I guess,
you know, there could be a thing there somewhere that someone says,
oh, if we fire on the base place that gets rid of the property,
then we've got the actual land that we can then build on, all
the flesh and all nice to what we want. You know, you could
see it like that as well. Now it's interesting you said you saw this
this this guy, but hot on coming through the doorway of the serving hatch
now. And a lot of my research, and you might have heard people
say yourself talking to people that ghosts and spirits, they often cite people stand
doorways or looking through windows and things like that. And in my research it
seems to come up ahead of a lot. And it seems to me that
it's no coincidence that when mediums called mediums, they users what they call a
sance cabinet or a medium's cabinet, which is a bit like a wardrobe before
I coor a curtain or something where they're sitting a kind of framework like structure,
and if the conditions are right, ectoplasmic forms coming out of the medium
will form into some sort of structure of a human being and come out.
They pull the cut and of this cabinet will open the door or whatever it
may be, and step out. It's normally a curtain, but they're forming
in a kind of square box like structure. And I did ask a medium
this because he had one in his own bedroom, and I said, why
do you have this cabinet? What's the idea of it? He said,
well, he's sitting inside in it, it's got to be a box like
structure because it builds up the energy. And so as an analogy, I
say to people that if they want to make a cake, for instance,
they might put the mixture in a tin and they switch their other on and
they open the oven door and they pop in their caked in with a mixture
and they shut it and they've got out of the door shut because it builds
up the energy, the heat energy in this case, and after a time,
the structure of the liquid stuff becomes like a you know, sponge cake
or something. And so in a sense, it's like the structure of this
stuff, the meat, what the media produced, the ectoplasm will become a
solid mass once you built up the energy and henceful state. They open up
the curtains, step out, and I think that they can make similar structures,
all built on a more temporary basis, using things like serving hatchees or
doorways. They can appear in doorways momentarily maybe five or six seconds, and
they they're gone, And it's a way of bouncing the energy I think between
the beams or the structure of the panels and things like that. And it's
there's an interesting thing that they have in Chinese or Japanese folklore, that is,
when they build bridges over rivers, they have a bridge and they'll have
it go sowhere, but then it'll turn right, and then it all turned
left. It won't be a straightforward bridge over a river. In the olden
times, they have a bridge that goes left right, left, right,
left right, and the idea was that is to keep spirits at baker spirits
or evil spirits. So they said could not navigate across this bridge. Then
makes me wonder if there's a similar kind of idea going there with the structure
of the bridge. So it's worth looking into. It'd be interesting that should
someone build on the premises of the Conservative Club, that when they start to
build things that they might still get more ghost signs, even though it would
be a modern building, simply because whatever could be there might utilize the same
structure of doorways or hatchets or things like that, just a manifesting, especially
if they're stuck there. So it's one of those things it's worth keeping an
eye on our guests. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, So your
books, what prompted you to write the books? Obviously you started to accumulate
a lot of stories and presumably wanted to commitment a paper in some form.
Well, yeah, that the story, the story that I've just told you
really was was the furness one, because that was the that was the thing
that had stuck with me for quite a while. But I just I started
talking to family and friends m and I just I literally just started to collect
these stories and I knew that they were there were stories that had never been
put in print before because a lot of them we were very personal stories.
Um. My wife's family, for instance, lived in am very old farmhouse
which had some really interesting poltergeist activity in it. Um and I just I
just started to collect all these stories and eventually I had enough to put into
a book. I put some some feelers out on local social media pages for
the sort of a Slankashire area to see if if anybody would would contact me
with their own personal stories, and I got old life and lots lots of
the lots of people were you know, more than happy to talk to me
about about their old experiences. Some of them were quite um, quite high
open them and one particular lady I spot so about to hope she lived did
where again there was there was massive amounts of poltergeist activities suddenly quiet quite violent,
um, you know. And she did research into into the property and
came up with some really quite fascinating facts and theories about what was causing you
know, these these manifestations um. As you know, as I say,
my wife's family had some really interesting experiences when they lived at the farm.
Um. And so yeah, it was just it was just I got so
many stories that I thought, well, it would be such a shame not
so I actually put them into a boat. And again, very much like
stars in a podcast these days, it's you know, if you have the
time and the aga energy to write a book, you can you can self
publish um. As as we know, you know, you don't have to
find a publisher anymore, you don't have to find an agent. Um.
You can literally do it yourself. And that's what a lot of people do.
Um. And so it's actually quite quite easy if you have the material.
Um, it's actually quite quite easy to write and publish a bookwayes days.
So I thought, well, I might as well do it, because
I've got so many great stories. Um. You know, it just seemed
to share aim, not to not to commit them to to posterity m and
so that was the first book that Ghosts of Accrington. Well, yeah,
the first one is called The Shadow a Man of akron Sha and sorry bigger
one, the Shadow. Yeah. And then obviously that's the you know that
the the titulus story of of of the book, the one the one that
I had UM. And then the second book, which is which is a
sort of follow up to that, which again has got lots of lots of
personal experiences in the lots of local legends, UM, lots of lots of
little bits and pieces from people who've contacted me over the years who've either read
the first book or listened to the podcast and contacted me again with their own
stories basically from from the same you know, from from the area um of
a Clankyshire and also up now where I lived near near Pendle Hill, and
some really interesting ghost stories from from this area as well. I think the
Witches of Pendle Hill is that is that the story that Yeah, there's yet
there's the Pendle Witches, which was it's a very famous trial, the Pendal
Witch trial UM from sixty twelve. So yeah, that the people who were
involved in that all all lived around here. In this area. Was all
based in this area. Um, so I do, I do go into
that a little bit in both books. Um, talk a little bit about
that because obviously it's quite it's quite an immotive subject and you know, a
lot of people find it very interesting and there's a lot of history of that
around here where I live. And I'm very lucky. I look out look
at the office window and I'm talking to you now, and I can see
Pendle Hill from from the window. So it's I'm literally sort of, you
know, a question of a mile away from the hill itself. So for
the benefit of listeners who've never heard of it, you want to give a
brief synopsis of the Witches of Pindulhoo. Yeah, well, I'm back in
in sixteen twelve. It was basically he involved two local families, really two
very poor local families, and a few other individuals we've got wrought into it.
Um. There was about about twelve people altogether. We tried at Lancaster
and basically it was it was it was a product of the times. James
the first James six of Scotland, James first of England had just comes from
the throne following the death of Elizabeth first Um. He was obsessed with witchcraft.
He wrote the book called Demonology, which it destructed his followers. How
to deal with witches, so all all the things about you know, dunking
witches in in in water, and how to interrogate them, how to use
things like bodkins and that sort of thing to get, you know, to
get confessions out of them. Were to look on the bodies for the for
the marks that they believed that the devil made when when the devil was um
they believe that the devil would would suck the blood of these people in return
for the favors. And basically what happened with these two families there were two
matriarchs of both families, Chattocs on one side and dem Dyke upon the other.
As there were there were none clock locally, and they basically got caught
up in an investigation by a local magistrate and James the first that they had
basically sent an instruction out to all the magistrates across the country to be on
the lookout for people who they thought were involved in witchcraft. Now these may
well ad just been people who didn't attend church believe in it. In fact,
they used to go around to the churches on a Sunday, and they
used to see who was in church. They used to see who wasn't in
church, and the ones that words in church they used to used to question
in terrogate. What happened with these two families were that there were a number
of accusations made by each family towards the other families. So there were things
such as harming life stock, so turning milk sour, causing causing people to
to have illnesses, even in some cases causing death. One particular gentleman,
who was a local merchant, had suffered well. He was called John Law,
and he was on his way to Halifax when he met one of the
old the old women and her daughter some of her granddaughter by the side of
the road. They were begging, and because he wouldn't buy any of the
goods that they were they were trying to sell or go basically give them any
money. One of them it was probably just a throwaway comment set something the
lines of I curse shove or something like that, and he'd literally at that
point had a stroke and fell off his horse. Now, of course they
put this down to witchcraft. They were the local magistrate got involved. He
started to interrogate various members of the two families and various other people as well
who were associates. Um So, probably one of the most famous ones as
a lady by the name of Alice Nutter. Yeah, that's probably where the
phrase comes from. If she was a quite quite well to do widow of
a local Yam farmery are quite quite quite a bit land actually, um and
she was. She was implicated in various different acts of witchcraft as well.
Interestingly, when when you start started to look into what was actually going on,
a lot of these people were actually practicing Catholics and they used to practice
in secret um and so of course it was quite easy for people to accuse
them as well. If you know, whatever you're doing in secret, it's
obviously you know on holey and you're in league with the devil and everything else,
um and and there were a number of quite wild confessions as well.
These some of these people genuinely believed that they were in league with the devil
and that they could cast spells, they could heal people. You know,
they were very much sort of local wise women um as as you call them
now. They were very poorly educated that they believed a lot of what they
were saying. There was a lot of accusations towards um other people. So
there, you know, there were various accusations flying around. I mean one
of them was that m Chattocks used to good or two graveyards and dig up
dead bodies, and they also used to you know, they were involved in
fancy side and all all sorts of stuff. So basically they were all carted
off foot to Lancaster U which is about a seventy mile walk. There is
actually the Pendule which Pendle which way as it's called, which is basically following
the route from clever Or to to Lancaster up over the moors through the forests
of Boland and the route that they took them and they marched them up there
to last Castle. They tried them put them on trial. The main witness
for the prosecution was an eight year old girl who basically Jeanette Preston, who
sorry Jeanette Device. Jenette Preston was one of the accused. Genette Device,
who was, as saying, an eight year old girl. She basically came
out with all sort of wild, wild accusations against her own family. So
her brother, her mother, her grandmother and so on. She said that
you know, various various stories about them being in league with the devil,
and the devil would come to them in various forms. They have familiars,
you know, things like black cats for instance, So that's that's where the
black cat thing comes from. And they used to make portions and spells and
then all sorts of stuff, and she and she was the main prosecution waitress
and off off the back of all this, they were basically convicted of witchcraft
and summarily hanged executed for all of them, all apart from one who actually
died in the cells at Lancaster Castle before the trial. They were held in
pretty deep disgusting conditions throughout thirty months really in dungeons prior to the trial.
So they were in a fairly sorry old state by the time they did actually
get to trial. But but yeah, one of them, um one didn't
didn't managed to get to trial. Sheets she died before the trial took place.
And how did they executive? Was it hanging? Yeah? Yeah,
hang on, yeah, I think there's there's different laws that if you're in
Scotland you burn at the stake or if you're in England, you hang or
something. Um, I'm not sure. I'm not sure about being bettered to
the sake of Scotland in England, nor convicted, which I mean in vertu
commons. Was ever was ever burnt in England? Yeah, they were.
They were all hanged and in fact, torture wasn't allowed to extract confessions in
England. It was in Scotland. So if you look at the Barrack witch
Trials for instance, which was um the witch trial really that started it all
off with James the first he became quite obsessed with this, with this um,
this witch trial. There were there were quite a lot of people involved
in that um and there's some some quite horrific accounts of how they extracted confessions
from from these people. Um. And and they were executed. I think
I think they were hanged as well. I don't think they were burns.
They used to burn, which is on the continents in Europe. Maybe that's
why I'm getting confused yet. And of course of coming Suez, you know,
there was a lot of religious burnings, shall we say, you know,
depending on which mollarch was was sitting on the throne at the time,
and you know certainly. Um, you know, Henry the Eighth panned Mary
Bloody, Mary and Elizabeth. We're all, you know, pretty I'm married
to a history teacher by the way, so so so. Yeah, they
were all fairly, you know, fairly adept at dispatching people by by various
different math. Yeah. There was a very burning was the man one.
Yeah, very very unpleasant method they used in Scotland, which I actually visited
the Sitle. I mean I wasn't looking for I just happened to come across
it many many years ago. I stayed at the Findhorn Foundation, which is
north of Invernest by about thirty miles and next to the Findhorn Foundation, which
is it's kind of a spiritual New Age center where they supposedly had communication with
the Deva Kingdom or Fairy Kingdom to grow huge vegetables back in the sixties and
it grew into the Finderhorn Foundation that it is today. Well, when I
was visiting that, there's a nearby town or village of forests and it's a
really nice little pretty place, all the flowers and stuff like that. But
there's this stone with an inscription on it's literally right outside the police station,
and there's there's a hill which trees sort of like a mile and a half
away, huge hill with trees, and it says this stone marks the place
where this witch, local witch was put in a barrel full of spikes on
the inside, and they rolled her down this hoole. Literally all the way
down this hill, all these spikes were stabbing into a poor lady. And
eventually barrel came to rest where this stone was, and it happened to be
where they put the police station. Whether there was an intentional thing of putting
the police station now, I don't know. But this stone with an inscription
mark was spots. I thought, God, these people were really nice to
each other back in the Middle Ages, so they really had a way of
treating people fairly and with dignity. And yeah, yeah, I mean hanging
probably was was one of the better ways to go, like the wickest way
of dispatching somewhe Well, yeah, but I mean it wasn't. It wasn't
hanging, you know, they didn't they didn't drop them to break without put
them up on a rose. Used to well, yeah, be on a
cart and they just or some they'd just hanging and dangle and it could could
take quite a while. Yeah, but um, I mean there was so
of something pretty unpleasant, you know. Yeah, I mean I was telling
my partner last night about a case. It was only because we saw this
little pig on on Netflix and she likes little pigs, and I said,
did you know that they actually tried a pig in Germany in the Middle Ages
for witchcraft? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, this pig was accused of being
a witch and they actually put the pig in the courtroom in Germany. And
I don't know how what the conclusion were they burned at a steak. I
mean it must have been like a nice barbecue, a nice summer barbecue with
port stratchins and stuff like that. Afterwards, not very pleasant. And yeah,
it's the people that sometimes have the moral high ground telling me that I'm
in league with the devil. When I'm doing my events. There's a pub
I can't go to now because the local Christians have basically said there's a witchcraft
and devil worshiping and all that kind of thing, and they don't want it
done at the pub. These are the people bring in there to witnesses things,
of course, because they know much more than nude about what you actually
do. Yeah, I mean, I just love the hypocrisy of it,
of people who used to hang innocent people by the neck or burn them at
the stake because they thought they had the model big ground. But that's okay
because they do apologized later on a few years later, the Pope kind of
give us an apology and it's all forgotten abound. We can all get on
with our lives. But then they can still come out and accuse you of
all sorts of nasty things. As long as they apologize for it, then
they've got the moral high gram, you see, so they confess their sins.
Anyway, I think we'll draw this first part of the Paranormal Peep Show
to the end that will return in part two. We're talking to Craig Bright
or the Paranormal Pendle Podcast. It's turned out to be very interesting and we're
not just chatting about ghosties, which all about whiches and bigs as, which
is as well. So from well will part that's who go I wonder,
So thanks very much for the moment. Craig, join us in part two
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Neil Gettith Award and Craig from Is It Pendule Paranorsal Radio Show Again,
Paranormal Pendul Podcast Paranormal Pendul Podcast PPPs. Yeah, so mouth wouldn't it?
Did you have trouble coming up with the name or did it seem just saying
oh, call it Pendel podcast. No, it just it just seemed the
obvious, the obvious name for it really, to be honest, considering where
I live, what influenced my decision to do it? And you know he
just ppp. It just seemed to roll off the tongue. Right, Well,
Andy came up with a paranormal peep show and so we kept that and
then we discovered I think it was last year, actually late in the summer
last year yesterday, somebody else has started another paranoral show in America. So
they had about six episodes out before we found out about it. So we
went and knocked on their door nicely. I think they've had to change their
name now, some they have. I haven't followed it through, so I
don't know quite what's happened to that. But the click we've done, we've
done witches, and we've done ghostly boasters. Maybe we could move on to
UFOs and et s. Okay, what's what's your take on the whole UFO
filled and stuff. Um, well, yeah, they definitely exist. Whether
some of them are terrestrial is an all the matter. That obviously is the
big question. Um were there coming from, whether they are from a different
dimension, whether they are whether you can tie them in with other psnomenas such
as as as paranormal phenomena or um you know, cryptozoology for instan scripted sightings
and that sort of thing, and or there's a lot of theories that there
are they do crossover then to a certain degree, Um, they're They're the
big questions. Are there little green men in flying sources? I suspect that
some of the sightings are probably something along those lines or would be visited by
being some other planets. UM. Probably yes. But to what extent and
for how long this has been going on for? I don't know. I
just think there are some cases that are two UM, convincing, you know,
to be otherwise, to be honest, do you take the position that
it might be from other planets or we're talking interdimensional? UM? I think
that I'm starting to lean towards the interdimensional argument the more I talked to other
people, UM, and the more I talked to people on on my podcast,
because I just think the distances that are involved. Um, if you're
traveling just from from ower star system to the nearest star system, which is
what four and a half lie years away? Is it Alpha Centauria something like
that? Are a star? Um? I mean that as a distance is
just huge anyway. And then when you start to look at just how big
the galaxy is and how many potential stars there are in the galaxy, you
know, you're talking billions and then you're talking about the number of potential galaxies
that couldn't run to billions. You know, the distances involved, I mean,
what sort of technology he's going to be able to cross such huge distances
without there being some sort of I mean I'm no physicist, but you know,
without some sort of time dilation or something like that. But just really
because of the the vast distances involved, unless it's it's a race, who
are you know, are coming from a star system that are literally next door
to us in cosmic terms, you have to start wondering whether these things are
coming through from other dimensions. And certainly, I mean I've spoke to people,
for instance, about time slips. You know where you you've basically got
a a slipping time you know it. He's opening a window into a different
time. And to me, that doesn't seem to be much difference between that
sort of phenomena and opening up a window from a different dimension. It's the
same sort of thing to me, and so it would seem I think more
likely that these things are coming through from another dimension rather than traveling huge distances,
um you know, across to quote doctor who you know, across time
and space, because that's fits what they're doing unless they as of technology that
come into Yeah, yeah, you know, if you if you think about
the idea in spiritualism in sciences, they have reports and I've seen some of
these objects, but I can't absolutely say for certain of these objects are what
they claim to be, but you know, we'll go along with that provides
over for the sake of the arm room. But they claim in certain sciances
to have these thing called apples, which are objects that normally will drop out
of the ceiling in a science room onto the table or on the floor,
and they materialize by the spirits allegedly, and they could be old coins,
newspapers, flower petals. I did meet some people that had been to a
sciance at the time, like the week before, where they said a glass
of wine had materialized in the science room and they were sending it off for
analysis, and you know, it didn't disappear after the things. It actually
stayed there permanently. And there's a place in Oxfordshire where I've been to a
couple of salances and they've got various objects there that they say is adpults and
things. So if the spirits, our spirits are deceased, friends if you
like on the other side, have got some knowledge of moving things through time
and space, as you say, from one location of Earth into another,
literally through the energy in the salence room or something. Then maybe these other
ultraterrestrials, I think they've been referred to by John Keane and people like him,
rather than extraterrestrials, are moving in similar ways, using similar kind of
forces perhaps to bring themselves here, except they might sort of encase themselves in
these metal machines for their protection, because you know, when these apports come
through, apparently they're really hot to touch or something. So maybe these beings
are you know, apporting into our time and space dimensions, and the machines,
the UFOs, the sources if alike, are there to protect them from
the heat build up or something like the entry pointing through our coordinates or something.
You know. Yeah, that's really interesting because one of them one of
the stories that I got involved in UM, and this is in the first
bookbeller Rots. It's it's with regards to to Gauss activity, politic Guist activity
in the Bore. It's the same sort of the thing. There was There
was instance where a um an old Victorian Penny appeared from um from just how
thin air and fell to the ground, fell to the floor um in front
of this particularly gentleman who was who was telling me about the story, and
he said when he tried to pick it all, it was absolutely red hot.
He couldn't he couldn't pick you become touching, it was too hot,
and he just had to wait to leave it for a few minutes where it's
cooled over before he could pick up and look at it. And he turned
it over and looked at it. He realized that it was you know,
for the dates on the penny and size of it, and you know,
well what it was made off. He was obviously an old Victorian um,
you know, old Victorian penny. As he described it, well, it
was exactly the same. It was too hot to touch and it just literally
fell out of fell out of thin air. So that's that's quite interesting.
Yeah. Another thing so that could be quite interesting is how although it's a
Victorian penny, did it look new or did it look old. So it's
a case of was it picked up from the Victorian era and transported here or
was it picked up from a here and now museum and then transported somewhere he
described it as old, so he mustn't have looked at it and perceived it
as being old. So, you know, not transporting through time as such,
or through space or through che makes you wonder about that newspapers because I
mean, if they're going to get really hot as well this, you think
they kind of come out a little bit burned as cloud battles as well.
And that glass of wine might be a bit bubbly by the time that they
going to sip it U. So yeah, I mean, there's there seems
to be different methods. I mean, I knew a guy years ago who
told me, I mean, we're going back off the your fo subjects slightly
back into the wounded houses thing. It all kind of I think one encapsulates
the other a little bit. But this, this friend of mine who's passed
on himself now might add he said that he lived in London and as a
sort of a fifteen year old boy he played with the Mater was in their
house and there's one particular room they would they were told not to go in
it. They couldn't play in there. There's no furniture in there, nothing,
They're just told not to play in there, but of course him and
his friend decided to play in there, and they're the tennis ball. They
were bouncing it off the floor because there was no carpet. It was great
to bounce this tennis ball off the floor. They hit it and it bounced
upwards and just disappeared up to the ceiling. Any thinking where's it gone?
That about? They're thinking, where's this tennis ball gone? In five minutes
later, it dropped out of the ceiling and bounced on the floor and they
picked it up and it wasn't hot, but he said it was soaking wet,
soaking wet, really mysteriously soaking wet, and they I think they fed
it to someone and they were banned from that room. And I might be
wrong, but I think someone put across on the door, but I could
be wrong about that. So, yeah, particular room, there's almost had
like a seance like abilities, this particular room. So it seems to be
there's hot structures in houses where they're particularly conducive for this phenomena. So the
box like structure and the Conservative club maybe you know that serving hatch was conducive
for that phenomen to manifest through that portal. The man with the hat on
uh and this room in this house in London, and now people talk about
earth edges and lay lines crossing and things like that, and it makes me
wonder maybe you Conservative Club and other houses could have been well lay line area.
I don't know. Yeah, absolutely, And I'm glad you mentioned air
lines because again this is something that I've looked into. Now. Interestingly,
there is there's a there's a major lair line which runs through the town of
Acorinton especially it's hasinally built on one of the major air lines. But I
was looking at some various different maps of people who had had, you know,
done research over the years into layer lines, and one quite a few
all pointed to the same thing, which was where I am here. There
are two major lair lines which cross at Pendle Hill. So there's one which
runs north to south and that runs from Castle rig Stall Circle in the Late
district and it runs all the way down south to Beachy Head I believe,
and the other one runs from west to east or east to west on which
which way can have it? From the filed cost which is Preston Blackpool,
that sort of area where again there's an awful lot of paranormal activity. And
there's some quite interesting activity upon more Combay as well, which which it relates
to triangularly UFOs, which has been going on for well over an hundred years
going back to there's reports going back to the late eighteen hundred sixteen nineties were
they were seeing strange triangular objects in the sky. And this was of course
before manned flights, so you know that these were quite strange things for people
to see, and they're obviously documented, you know, and documentary in the
local papers at the time. I wonder what they wonder what they documented them
as, because we would know them as UFOs or some kind of flying vehicle.
I wonder what they would think they were. They well, they just
described them as a strange triangular objects in the sky. They you know,
they didn't have any any concept of man flight or anything like that. Um.
Well, yeah. And then this particularly layer line, as I say,
it crosses the north south one here at Pendle Hill, and then it
continues across the North Yorkshire mowers and intersects the course up on the northeast around
the with the area which is not a million miles away from where a certain
mister Paul Sinclair lives and fat you know, has some quite strange end characters
over the years, so that that area obviously is quite heavily in the thing
by and I've you know, I've spoken to her about this more than one
occasionally. Is are the same opinion that it's definitely or something to do with
it. Um So, yeah, layer lines are interesting. I think there's
a lot of um, there's a lot of geology, geological factors involved,
um that tend to draw in these There are certain hot spots I think of,
you know, of paranormal and GIFO activity, and they tend to run
along these layer lines that tend to be in areas of particular geological features,
whether or not the some sort of natural magnetic fields being being generated. Um.
So I mean, for instance, Pendle Hill again, i'll you know,
talk about something that's that's local, but that I know about the reason
why it's there is because it's a different type of stone to to the to
the store around it. So it's it's basically sandstone, which is on um
limestone. Now I'm no geologists both, you know, is the some sort
of interaction, is some sort of natural um phenomena going on, which which
is which is drawing energy in, which means that we get a lot of
UFO sites in this area, we get a lot of paranormal activity in this
area. And again, you know, I've spoken to quite a few different
UM researchers in both you know, the UFO field and the paranormal will field
and the cryptos who ald your field as well. We've all come to the
same sort of conclusion that a lot of these hot spots there are some sort
of energy there which is drawing these phenomena in. But we don't quite understand
exactly what what this energy is and what's causing it. So it could be
like the lay lines are creating where they cross over, maybe kind of portals
or something. Absolutely and if you look at you look at the layer lines
and you look to see what what features or you know, have been built
on them over the years, or were they intersect or were they where they
cross um you know a lot of them tend to be on ancient burial sites.
I mean, there's there's a panel burial site right on the top of
Pendal Hill and you're talking two thousand feet upuff sea level, So you know
why somebody would UM. You can go to the trouble of taking a body
all the way up. I mean, I've worked outside the pendal hill on
or steep it is, why why you would want to take a body all
the way up there to bury it on the top of a hill when you
could bury daring in the valley belown it will be a lot easier to do.
You know, there's a lot of these questions as to why why our
ancestors built these burial sites or at point built these these stored circles, and
a lot of them tend to be built on what we would now identify as
layer lines. Now, it's interesting if you've got to take into the account
of also the movement of the Earth through the Solar System as well, and
I think that might have something to do with it, because where we're moving
through the galactic coordinates moving around, because our whole galaxy is turning as well,
so we're continually moving. Earth is spinning and it's also moving around the
Sun. The Sun is moving through with all the spiral galaxy, and I'm
thinking that's possibly a factor in the all this as well, the fact that
we're moving. It does for instance, UFOs or hauntings. I mean,
I was thinking about the idea that ghosts will come out in Halloween or hallow
ZEVI if like around October where they say the veil of the world's the thinnest,
you know, October thirty feet or something, And I'm thinking, now,
why has that date been set? Could it be that the Earth has
moved into a certain position around the Solar system or around the Sun, that
that particular point has been found to be conducive much more to psychic phenomenal or
sight ins or something, because all our planets or something, you know,
and we're leaning into astrology here, maybe a little bit that we're in a
right style position or something. Could the energies have some sort of strange flux
pattern that causes these manifestations to occur more frequency than others. I mean,
for instance, people that work on hand radios will find that if they start
to do their communications in the evening is because they can send their signals a
lot further because they've got the skip in the atmosphere. The signals bounced a
lot off the atmosphere a lot further in the evening times, whereas in the
day it's you know, it's a different kind of thing that you're talking about.
So that's an example how communication would work. That it seems to be
better in the evenings. And they're also talking about ghosts come out at night
a lot. Is there something to do with the evening or the nighttime side
of things where this phenomena is much more active or able to manifest. And
again, if we go into the physical sales idea that spirits tend to occur
in sciences when they draw the curtains and everything, they block the daylight out
or they don't have a salance at night because physical light is damaging to the
medium and the phenomena, because it is like exposing old film infulator in a
developing room to daylight. It destroys the film and it has the same effect
on the physical manifests in spirits. So I'm wondering perhaps that you know that
the point of the planet in the Solar system, water where it is around
the Sun at a certain time of year, might have a factor in so
many UFOs appearing like in a month of May or something like that. I
don't know, I mean, has anyone come up with any research or aware
of that might pinpoint certain factors? No, not that I'm aware of in
that respectable certainly when you know, I mean you mentioned about the that time.
I mean, obviously our natural senses and excuse me, I'm more highlighted
I think at night because it's dark, you know, we have to rely
on other senses rather than just eyesight when you know, when we're out about
it, it's dark if you're a particularly dark area. And I think from
an evolutionary point of view, I think we've always you know, we've we've
we've evolved to be to have more of a heightened awareness surround us at night,
because that's when we've probably faced the most danger. So I think it
may well be that we're able to pick things up more when it's nighttime simply
because we're more aware of what's going on around us, and during the day
we don't have to be quite as aware in the same sort of way.
But I certainly think that, I mean, there are theories about ghosts,
yeah, again coming through from other dimensions, So a ghosts may not necessarily
be the room. You know what, what stays behind when somebody dies,
the energy that stays behind when somebody dies, it's more an energy that's coming
through from another dimension or from another time. Like a time slip, but
it's not fully manifesting itself. It's not fully forming, so that you see
that person fully formed, as you know, I'm looking at you now and
you're looking at me. Because it's not coming through fully, you're only seeing
part of it. So you're seeing, you know, your classic sort of
ghosts that he's sort of semi translucently you can see through, you can see
what's going on behind it, and it's that filmy sort of shape that is,
you know, part of the energy of whatever this this bees coming through
from its plane of existence in two hours, but only coming through you know,
twenty percent of it's coming through, so you're only seeing a little bit
of its true form. So I think that's an interesting theory. Another theory
that I have is that actually, when you see a ghost, it is
somebody who is dreaming. So it's actually so when you're dreaming, when you
have a very vivid dream and you're interacting interacting with somebody in your dream,
you are actually interacting with somebody as a ghost. Now, I think that's
a really interesting theory. Needs one that somebody mentioned to me off recording when
I was doing a an episode of the podcasts, and I've since gone away
and done a bit of research and tried to find any research that's been done
into this idea that when you dream, it's actually your physical it's your soul
that is moving out to your body and going off to somewhere out the strull
traveling. I was out vested as as as an entity to people who are
awake, and I think that I found that really really interesting. Well,
there's a story a little bit perplexed as well, A little bit Yeah,
there is a story that was related to me by an ex work colleague of
mine a couple of years back. I hadn't seen her for Donkey's years,
and basically she heard that I did video and edited and stuff, and she
wondered if I had filmed her seventieth birthday party. So she got back in
contact me. I basically said yeah, sure, So went around to her
place to discuss the details of where it all was and you know, put
together a plan basically, and started talking about ghosts or something for some reason
I can't remember why, and she said, a wife seen a ghost and
said app you and she goes. I said, tell me what you're Saul,
and she said, well, she was about eighteen at the time.
She got on holiday, I think, to Devon with her family, and
she stayed in this particular small room in this cottage, and it had a
tiny little window at the end where she could see the sea just outside the
window. And she said she woke up in the night and she saw this
old woman sitting in the chair right next to the bed. But she said
the old woman appeared to be asleep like like that, And she also said
that she thought the woman looked remarkably like her grandmother, which was a bit
strange, she thought. Anyway, she got quite frightened of it, obviously,
because she could see this ghostly woman sitting in the chair next to her
bed. So she put her head under the covers and turned over, and
then eventually she fell asleep. Anyway, she woke up a few hours later,
and she said she could see out the window. It's just getting light
now, and she could see that the sea a bit clearer through this window.
And then she remembered about this ghostly woman, and so she tentatively peered
over the blankets and had looked across to see where she had seen her,
and she was still bladdy there. This woman still there, and she said
this time her head was back white back, yeah, like looking upwards,
but still asleep. And she says she watched her she slowly kind of dis
dissolved into nothingness in front of her, and she, you know, she
told her family the next day, and they were all a bit sort of
freaked out by her, suppose, and you know, she said that it
did look like her grandmother owned she was a bit confused by it. So
I can't have thought about this. I thought, well, maybe maybe the
grandmother, like you say, was dreaming of the family, or maybe subconsciously
concerned about her family because they'd gone away on holiday and she was wondering how
they would get her on maybe, or maybe concerned they're okay. You know,
this is the days before we had mobile phone and things, you know,
and so she probably wouldn't hear anything from them for a few days until
maybe she got a postcard through, you know. And so so I wondered
if if the grandmother had gone asleep, maybe dreamt of the family, worried
about whatever, but gone out of her body, gone to her granddaughter Joan
in this case, and ended up sitting in the chair next to her.
But she was still asleep in her mind, and so that the specter of
this astral self was still asleep. But she stayed like a guardian perhaps like
right next to her the whole night, and as only as the daylight came,
where maybe these things that the light is not conducive for these manifestations as
I don't know, but she started to dissolve, and maybe because it was
becoming daylight that the physical granny, if you like, the starting to perhaps
wake up herself, and so that part had to go back to the body.
Was it was it the case that this lady was still alive when they
checked afterwards, Yeah, she was still alive. I mean, she hadn't
said, oh she died while she was on holiday, but she said,
you know, her granny was alive and well, and she just remarked that
this specter looked like her granny. Now there's another story I can tell you
which again supports this idea a little bit. Now this is it concerns my
mum. I've said this a few times here on the Paranol peep Show,
but for people that haven't heard this before, it's quite an interesting story.
Concerns my mum and my brother. Now, my mom passed away suddenly in
two thousand and sixty. I was there at the house at the time,
and I was actually editing a video in the spare bedroom, and so it's
an unexpected death. She died suddenly, and anyway, so obviously, you
know, we have a funeral and everything like that. And it was only
when me and my brother got talking maybe a few weeks later, that he
said that he had been staying at the house maybe three weeks before my mum
had actually died, and he was sleeping in the spare bedroom and he said
that he suddenly woke up and saw my mum, as a young girl,
maybe in her twenties or thirties, coming through the wall, skipping, holding
her dress out, and he said it was like a silent movie, and
she was smiling, skipping, and she came through the bedroom and she just
vanished through the window basically, and he thought, the bloody ELL's going on
this thing, because my brother's quite psychic, he does see things, and
he just sort of what the bloody els at and he kind of thought,
well, that was mum, But as she was all those years ago,
what's going on. I don't record him ever saying that he actually said anythink
to her. But I wondered in hindsight whether whether my mum was testing out
her wings, so to speak, before she then made her final journey to
the spirit world some three weeks later, you know, And this was like
her practicing her out of body experiences. Maybe it's a sign for my brother
as well, to say, you know, it's going to happen soon.
This is a sign or something like that, you know. I don't know.
But again she was still alive and well at that point, and yet
she was cited as a spec So and I do know that there is the
Societist psychical research has a number of accounts of people that have cited speccis or
ghosts. So what do you want to call them? Of the livid?
Yeah, you know, they're thousands of miles away, and yet they've seen
a ghost or sonzo in their living room or something. Yeah, yeah,
that's right. Yeah yeah, So so yeah, it's um, it's a
rather interesting theory, I think. M Yeah, So with that, I
suppose you could you could account for many more ghost sightings than that we put
down just to being dead people, but in fact very much alive people.
Now I heard on a podcast recently, some people who are discussing the American
Civil War in this medium apparently somehow managed to she saw a ghost or a
spirit of someone from the Civil War times in America, a soldier in the
Civil War, and somehow she managed to communicate with I understand, but the
Civil War ghost will spirit said to them that he could see the medium than
to him, she looked like the ghost, which is a weird thing.
So it's almost like either there are two time zones appearing at each other through
some hole in reality or something or official reality, yeah, or the ghost
is stuck on his plane or something and he can't quite understand where he is.
I don't know. There's lots of theories to that, but I kind
of like the idea of simultaneous time and everything occurring at once as well.
Yeah, there's the famous Roman Ghosts of York as well, which comes to
mind on that one because that was done by the plumber guy Harry Martindale,
who was an apprentice plumber, and as he was working on these pipes and
things in the basement celler of this house in York, he heard a horn
blow in and he can work out where the war noise was coming from Eventually
it got louder and louder and louder. And he looked below him, because
he was up a ladder, and he saw these Roman marching through the wall,
and he fell off the ladder and scurried into the corner of the cellar
where he was, and he said, these Romans appeared to be muddied faces,
the you know, the growths on, you know, like they're growing
beards and things like that. And they took no notes of him, they
didn't even acknowledge him, but they seemed to be speaking in anguage that he
didn't understand. He could actually hear them as well. But these ghosts were
sighted some years later, and they appeared to be the same ghost but they
were doing slightly different actions. This time. They were all asleep on horses,
and the horses were marching them back to the presumably the base where they
go, you know, the fot or something, the Roman four. But
they're also tired. They're all asleep on their horses, and the horses have
just taken a mack. And that's how they were cited by a different person.
But again they were covered in MUDs. And I wonder there's in fact
that they're peering through time because they're not seeing a recording like the stone tape
recording. Yeah, yeah, where don't they wear? It's just a recording
being replayed and played and blaby and this we were doing different act so the
lady were seeing a different episode, but maybe the same characters or even a
different set of romans, maybe from a few years later. So sort of
like a time slip bot or something like that. Yeah, like a time
slip because the interest of the Harry Martindale was working in the cell in the
cold November months, and so you think that if those romans were covered in
mud, it suggests that they were in their month of maybe November, or
in a winter time at least to be having mud on the ground, maybe
the rain and stuff like that. And again they were covered in mud when
these ghosts were sighted seven years later in the January I think in nineteen fifty
seven by the housekeeper on this occasion, but again they were covered in mud
but asleep on their horses. So it's each time that they were sighted in
their winter time from the corresponding winter time of the nineteen fifties, when these
two different people, Harry Martindale and the housekeeper has seen these spirits or ghosts.
So I think that there are literally wholes through time or something they're peering
to a simultaneous broadcast from Roman times. The Romans may even see people from
our future. I mean, it could be that when they're seeing these UFOs,
they could be visitors from our future that appearing from their point of view
in time back to us or something. Yeah, it's a definite possibility that
we're seen forward into time and they're seen backward into time. Another fact,
of course, is whether the ghosts, you know, it's quite a broad
term, goes whether they're consciously aware of the person that's viewing them, or
whether they're in their own little world, which would kind of maybe kind of
signified that they might be kind of like a playback the stone tape theory,
like a literally not really a conscious thing, but you're you're viewing a video.
But when they're kind of like looking back at you and make a conscious
effort to kind of communicate, then we might be talking about something different.
So that the category of ghosts can kind of split, can't it into two?
Yeah? Yeah, I mean I've i've I've I've come across stories of
all the different types of of you know, goals that that I'm aware of.
So I've come across stories of of replays, you know. So the
storm tape theory UM particularly interesting one that's in the first book of a school
UM in uh Tagle Darwin, which is which is close to to Blackman UM.
And this this was very much attached to the place rather than the building.
So it was it was what had been there before UM that was was
influenced in this uh, this loop basically of of of this woman that was
being seen. UM. There was no interaction whatsoever. And it was just
literally a loop that was being seen over and over and over again in this
same place. UM. And then of course as the poltingeist Um phenomena which
m my wife's family there, as I said earlier on they lived in a
farm, I said, a poltgonist or certainly a ghost who was very much
aware of what and and the pretty sure he was a heat um of what
he was doing, because he was he was interacting UM. And he was
reacting to them as well, which was quite interesting. So not only was
he moving things around and he was he levitated a glass that was half full
of whiskey had just been poured on the sideboard and they actually levitated that across
the room in front of my wife's grandparents who was staying at the farm at
the time. But he would react to um, my sister in law,
so then my wife's younger sister, because he always used to They used to
hear him moving about to night, banging, banging, and stomping his feet
around at night in the hallway upstairs. And he would always stop outside my
sister in law's bedroom and bang on the door that she would shout to him
to go away in in you know, not so many and he would he
would go away and stop, so I thought, so he was very much
reacting, you know, acting acting and reacting um in a different way to
just a sort of replay, you know. And and again, you know,
I support to people for who There are other stories in the book as
well. I mean, there's there's one the very interesting one of the lady
who moved into a house with her daughter, her very young daughter who used
who said that she used to play with a little boy. Um, but
this little boy had no legs and when when she she finally saw this this
little boy because because her daughter had been talking about him for a couple of
years and she'd never she'd heard him, she'd never seen him. Bo When
she finally saw him, it was almost as if he was stood in the
room, but the floor level have changed over the years, so he was
stood on a lower floor level as there far. They could only see the
top half of his legs for his sort of knees awards in effect. And
that's why her daughter had thought that that he didn't have any legs. So
it's you know, that's interesting in and you know, she said that he
used to react. Again, they could hear him whistling and singing and all
sorts of stuff. So that, again, I think, so a very
interesting type of of hometon as well. You know, do you have any
accounts of modern ghosts like people that have died, say in the last twenty
or thirty years, where people have been seen Um, No, I haven't
to be quiet on this with you, No, I can't. I can't
think of one off the top of my head. A lot of them do
tend to be um sightings of ghosts that that are obviously from from quite a
while Atoor because of Bear the dressed. Yeah, so for instance, Um,
there's there's an account of again this was at the school. Um.
There are a number of ghosts in that area. Um. And then one
of them was a little boy who used to us to see him, well,
he used to hear him, but they alsously he also used to see
him running around in the school. But he was quite clearly dressed in what
used to describe as Victorian rags, so of you know, from from that
sort of period, um, but very dirty ragged claws, you know,
and you know, sort of sightings stories that I've I've picked up from um,
the area that I live in now around here again that they tend to
be ghosts that addressed in older cloths, not modern clothes. I can't I
can't really think unfortunately, of any of any stories that I've heard. Was
it is that I heard one a couple of years ago. And this this
this hairdresser girl came came to the house here with my girlfriend lives and I
literally was about to start writing my book, and I was was he fishing
for ghost stories? And I thought, oh, hairdressers, they get to
chat to lots of people, but they pick up a few titles here and
there. And this hairdresser girl. I said, oh, was anyone ever
mentioned ghosts to you? And you know that you've cut their hair and they're
telling the ghost stories. And she goes, I've seen one, actually,
I said, all really, She goes, yea, I was living in
this house down this particular road here in Weymouth on the southwest coast, and
she said she was. She was laying on the bed with her door,
like putting her door to bed or something, and she said she suddenly saw
rising up out of the floor right next to the bed, literally coming out
of the floor, this guy who had like a bit of nostoche on him,
and he appeared to be wearing like a T shirt and something like a
modern day hoodie, and he appeared to be sort of coming out of the
floor and I don't know if he was looking at me, sort of went
up until backwards, floated backwards as and she just shit a brick. Basically,
she grabbed her child, ran to the end of the bed, literally
jumped off the bed, ran out the room. She phoned her dad saying,
you've got to come and the f and get me now, because we've
just seen this ghost or something in the house. And she said that he
looked like a young man, maybe in his early thirties, and she had
heard that someone had died in the house of a drug overdose in the previous
years, so we kind of wondered whether maybe that was something to do with
him. But he was a modern day spirit, like a modern day he
had died literally maybe within the last ten years or something, you know,
corn to what she described who he's the T shirt, you know it.
And it was in the bedroom of prisumably that he had died where she had
seen him. So maybe he had become trapped all that was his energy.
I don't know, but it was at that point where they were starting to
relax and you know, fall into a general slumber that this presence became known
to them or something. I don't think she lives there now, so I
don't think she'd probably want to go back there. But yeah, there must
be more, I mean more, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're the
creating ghosts all the time. You got to be well, this is it.
Yeah, it's like an infinite process. Yeah. Yeah. And I
wonder whether one of the reasons why we don't say, um modern gorse if
you like so. Also, people who have just bass recently and addressed in
that sort of attire is because maybe the longer the here, the stronger than
ender it becomes, and so and so we see them more because they've been
here longer. It's sort of like a cumulative effect of the energy that they
need to be able to project themselves. Doesn't sort of become mature, if
you like, until they've been dead for a while. Again, it's it's
a bit of a strange um theory, but he could explain why we don't
see many modern dressed ghosts. They all tend to be, you know,
dressed in older period clothing for some reason. M I'm going to throw a
spanner in the works. I think when I die, if I if I
know when I'm going to die, you know, I've been given some terminal
illness and a date. I'm going to make sure that when I'm in the
hospice or whatever, I'm going to dress up in medieval clothes when I die,
and I'll be seeing walk in their grounds. It completely screw up their
theory about it. He was born in wearing medieval clothes that, oh my
god, that doesn't sort of tally up. They build these reenatment people,
you know, that don't probably die on their pretend mattel fields as well,
because I mean, this is the thing you know that we you know,
humanity has been around for so long now that we must have bucket loads of
ghosts kicking about, you know, every century, every year must be producing
that, and it's like a natural phenomena. Whatever this thing of ghosts is,
it seems to be a mixture of different things, you know, one
one kind of thing doesn't fit all the descriptions or the things. Some seem
to be time slips. Some appear to be repeat actions in time like a
recording, if you like. Others seem to be direct communications with spirits at
trapped here on the earth, you know. So they all seem to have
different kind of mechanisms are filling to produce a very similar phenomena, but we
kind of tire them all with the same rush. But I think they're actually
quite different phenomena. Um. So, have you seen ghosts yourself, Craig
come to you know, I mean you've obviously had people in your family experiences
things. Have you actually seen any ghost yourself, um, well, apart
from the from the shadow Man, Yeah, yeah, I mean I have
seen what you would call poltergeist activity. I've been, I've been in the
in the vicinity of poltergeist activity happening. UM. One really interesting thing actually
is has been going on UM. And this is a story that's evolving all
the time. And it's one that I've mentioned over the last few UM guests
spots that have had on various different people's podcasts. So UM it's sort of
moved along the live plebit. If anybody's listening to any of the other interviews,
it's it seems to be moving along. For those that have heard the
story, they'll they'll they'll remember that I mentioned that about ten years ago we
bought a piano, but obviously it was a bit more than I was about
twelve years ago. Name and it was because about my ast a very musical
family. She is a very musical salve. She plays the piano, she
plays the cello, she sings. Her parents were in professional were both professional
musicians, so she comes from a very musical background. And we bought this
piano. It wasn't particularly expensive, you know, I mean, we're I'm
talking an awful lot of money. It was a secondhand piano. We bought
it from a piano shop actually there's a shopping club or that sells pianos,
and I went back to talk to the guy about this piano a few years
after we've got it. And then you'll understand why when I when I tell
you the story, I did quite a bit of research on it when we
first bought it, and we had it professionally tuned, and the guy that
came around to tune it when he when he opened the top, it's it's
not all right piano. It's not not another grand piano anything like that.
But it was built in made sorry in nineteen o eight in Leipe's sake,
in Germany by a company called Bluthner. I contacted Bluthner and they gave me
a history of who they sold it to, the retailer that they sold it
to in Manchester in nineteen eleven, and then who it was sold to who
bought it from there, And it turned out it had been in the same
family form wel an awful long time from from when it was bought back in
the back in the pre war up until the point were this shop that we
bought it from. He bought it in a house clear and so it had
been in the same family for that for that whole period. M we started
to have some quite bad luck when we bought this piano. My wife had
some problems with a job. We we just we just went through a really
difficult period and I started to think that there was something to do with this
piano. I always felt that there was something attached to this piano. And
as as we know, you can have you know, various types of spirits
or entity is attached to objects, and the classic ones are haunted dolls.
You know people you know that dolls specifically because of obviously the luck you know
they luck human UM. But I know of stories of spirits being attached to
other objects, UM. And as I say, in this particular case,
I felt that there was something attached. It's piano. Pianos in the dining
room, which is a room that we're all going very often, but it's
always freezing cold in there, even in the middle of summer. And this
isn't this isn't something that we used to experience before we got the piano.
So there's definitely something which is coming from it now. We um. We
both both myself and my wife started to experience really strange things like sort of
smells for instance, really strange smells. The smell that I used to get
was was really heavy perfume. But the only way that I can describe it
is it's like the sort of stuff that your granny would have warned, So,
you know, that really heavy floral, overpowering perfume that old ladies tend
to were. I started smelling that randomly around the house, which was quite
strange because again before we got the piano, you know, I never had
never had that at all. We started seeing shadows. We've both started seeing
shadows in especially the lounge. UM. We would see out the core of
our eye, these shadows moving about. UM. We would be noisies,
there be doors both then and clausing you sort of classic sort of haunting type
stuff. UM. And there did you find out if there was a lady
connected to the piano or who it might have been? UM? I found
out from the um from the manufacturer that it had been who who it had
been sold too, But they only gave me that They said it was a
family who lived at Haslingdon has landed the town on the north side of Well.
He sets north of Manchester basically, but he's heading towards Manchester. Son
from where I live. Um, it's in the Rosendale Valley, which strangling
us got a lot of r F activity in him. That's that's different or
um. But now they only said that he had been sold to a family
in Haslingdon. And they knew that it had stayed in this family because they
had um serviced it. They've gone out and tuned it up. They had
their own tuners from from that particular company, because they had had an office,
they have an office in London, because I contacted them in London,
gave them serial number of the piano and everything else. So although they didn't
give me, they didn't for instance, say yes it was sold to a
lady, or yes it was sold to a gentleman you know called mister Smith
or or missus Smith or or whatever. They said. It had been in
the same family for you know all that all that time for about eighty years,
so it had obviously been passed down through the family. UM. So
the weirdest thing that happened happened about twelve months ago. UM. And and
this this was during the daytime. It wasn't wasn't anything that they're like that,
UM. And we have a we have two two doors we have an
outer door and then the inner door. So it's like a like a vestibule
we call it, you know, sort of like it's a space of about
three foot square basically three foot by three foot with an inner door, and
then we've got the outer door. And the outer door has obviously got a
got a letter box in it. And this particular occasion, there was a
piece of jug mail that had been shoved through the letter box and it was
half in, half out. And the letter box itself is on quite a
stiff spring. So in order to build push something through or pull something through,
you have to do it by force, because if there's a if there's
a letter, you know, my porstsman just shoves a letter through and most
of the time it gets stuck halfway because the spring is that that tight on
it physically pull it through from side. Now, there was a piece of
jug mail, as I say, in the letter box, and I was
we have a couple of dogs and I was I was putting the harnesses on
them again, getting ready to tap them out for a walk. And I
was in this festival, and I had the dogs with me, and I
was doing what I was doing, and all of a sudden, this piece
of junk metal literally was like an invisible hand grabbed it and pulled it,
and it came right across in front of me face and dropped the floor.
Now I know there was nobody outside pushing it through because two reasons. One,
I could see through the glass there was nobody there. Secondly, I've
got a video doorbell, and I also went back and looked on that on
the video doorbell recording, and there was nothing there. And I just know
that that something had to physically have grabbed it and pulled it through the letter
box because there was no There was no physical explanation as to how it could
have done it itself. It's as simple as that. And strangely enough,
the dogs didn't react at that point. They have reacted to other things,
and they've done the usual sitting there looking up at sailing and watching something off
on one side of the room to the other, which is quite which is
quite unnerving. But in this point it may because it was so excited because
I was getting the weeds out for him, and there's worth notice said,
oh, no, cock spaniels are the very excited anywhere, excited dogs anywhere,
But they didn't react and to be honest with you, I didn't really
think, I know the same as daft, But I didn't think anything of
it until I'd been out with the dogs and then I came back and it
was still on the mat. I just left it there, and I thought,
hang on a minute, what how did that happen? You know,
this process now, what's going on? How's it happened? And the only
way that it could have possibly happened was that some force, like an unseen
hand had grabbed all of it and pulled it. And I remember hearing the
sna app of the letterbox, the metal brass letter on the spring boy like
that as it was pulled through. So you know, that was very odd,
and I can only attribute it to the to the same things that have
been going on around, you know, around the house. And since then
I've still had the same seeing shadows. And in fact, at one one
Friday evening, I was sat in the lounge on the own with the door
into the lounge would beat to my left and it was all the slightly probably
about I don't know, maybe about two feets something like that, just saw
the dogs going and out, and I remember sitting there and I was watching
the TV out of the corner of me out I could see these the only
way I can describe them. There were children's size shadows who that were moving
towards me, and then when they sort of got into my main field of
view, disappeared. But these shadows that we see around the house and especially
in the lounge, UM the light that you support of see them out out
of the corner of your eye, and when you try and get them into
full view, they disappear. It's like they're always there, just just in
the periphery. Actually, that freaked me out a little bit more than everything
else that's happened a little bit because they were small objects. Could they be
could they be grays rather than children? Yeah? Yeah, I've had some
very interesting conversations about grays with UM, you know, with people like Ronald
and film. Yeah, they're the on that we're coming to the end now.
It's really raced through actually of the paranormal peep shows. So thank you
Craig for joining us. And when can people find out about your podcast?
When does it go out on the parallel UK radio network? UM normally goes
out, Well, if if I get them out on time and I'm always
getting told off by by Mark for not putting them out on time. These
are go out on a Thursday. Yeah. These are going out every two
to three weeks. Yeah. Um. You can also listen to them on
more so other podcast catch up services and things like that sort of thing.
Yeah. So I'm also I'm on a website which is Craig Briant dot co
dot uk. There's details of the book on the there's links to the to
the podcast. I'm also on Facebook as well, so Paranormal Pendle and I
normally put a post on the with a link to a new show, so
when they do go up, usually with an apology for being late. Um,
you can usually follow the follow the lincome there as well. Cool.
Any plans for another book in the pipeline. Yeah, I'm in some research
at the moment into hauntings around water interesting. Interesting. Oh cool, Well
when's that duel? Maybe later in the year or probably next year, next
year. Yeah, It's a lot of material to collate and get together and
organized before Well. Yeah, I mean I've already got quite a few stories
anywhere that I've been that I've been collating, and I've got some some personal
uh things linked to the Leids Liverpool House. But in some of research into
into the Leads Liverpool calal the history of that, and there's quite a lot
of paranormal activity attached to that as all, which is interesting. So wow,
a lot, a lot. I mean, there's a never ending supply
of paranal stories. When he starts digging these things, there's always something that's
going to turn up. Well, thank you very very much. Indeed to
Craig Bryant or the Paranormal Penal podcast, so stay tuned for that if you're
interested in find out more about Craig's interviews and his books and things. We
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