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You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio
Network and now it's time for the Paranormal

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peep Show. Hi, welcome to
the parannor Will peep Show on the parannor

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Will UK Radio Network. I'm Neil
Gettis Wold and once more I'm joined by

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Andy Chaplain. But welcome return to
Andy. We haven't seen for a while.

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Andy. What you've been up to
and where have you been and how

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are you? Yeah? I'm pretty
good. I've been a busy bunny basically.

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So the events are really picked up. There's a lot of my life

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is basically whizzing around pubs putting banners
and signs up when delivering posters, are

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then dealing with event changes and things
like that. So yeah, all over

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the place. So you've been throwing
curved balls in your in your professional life.

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Yeah. So, I mean there's
this old thing, isn't there about

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canceled due to unforeseen circumstances within the
psychic world. And there's one of my

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venues down south actually that is no
longer going ahead because there's a dispute between

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the brewing a company. But what
we've done we found a different venue up

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the road which they're going to now
take over and do it. So that's

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good, but it just means a
lot of racing around last minute and sorting

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things out, a lot of fun. Wow. Okay, so your evenings

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are a lot busier now because you're
folks and a lot more and you're tuned

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in events for anyone that's interested.
Yeah, yeah, it's good. It's

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it's definitely getting and we're always looking
for new venues and we're changing our format

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a little bit. So we started
off first of all just doing psychic one

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to one readings, and then we
moved on to doing psychic one to one

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readings and group mediumship demonstrations. We're
now doing all of that plus ghost stories

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because some of our clairvoyants are actually
paranormal investigators and they've done ghost hunts and

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things like that, and they've had
a lot of weird supernatural experiences, and

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we thought it'd be a fantastic idea
to let people at the pubs that come

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to our events experience, you know, some of the stories that they've encountered,

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including down my hometown in where there's
one particular venue where that a skeleton

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man has been seen poking behind the
doors, and we did a Dickensian evening

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probably around about in December time,
where we did kind of psychic stories and

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psychic demos stuff, and one of
our readers actually saw the skeleton man pop

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his head round the door, like
literally as we were dressed up as psychic

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victorians thing, and it's literally kind
of like a very pale, very kind

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of like gaunt looking almost skeleton type
man just poked his head round and disappeared,

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and they heard kind of whispering and
talking in the corners, so that

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yeah, and it was bizarre really, And this is where I swear Spirit

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is ramping things up for us to
give us ammunition so to speak, or

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stories for our events, because another
one of our psychics saw traveling back from

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a venue in Letchworth too, I
think it was Saint Albans, but they

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went kind of down a place called
Hitchen Road and they saw a spirit walk

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across the road, the spirit of
a man. And the next day they

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found a grave in the field,
just like a single, lone grave in

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the field of where this actually took
place. And they only found that found

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that out the day after. So
interesting. If anyone does want to kind

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of look into this kind of thing
or has any venue suggestions and South of

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England go to tuned in Events,
Tuned with the de tuned in Events find

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us on Facebook, Instagram, website
still being updated but face Facebook definitely is

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that dot co dot uk. Yeah, tune in events dot co dot uk

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or on Facebook tuned in Events.
There's a group and a page and messages

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through that. Okay. So so
basically for those who don't know that obviously

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we talk quite regularly about this thing
that you do. It's it's basically psychic

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evenings. Yeah, people coming along
for psychic demonstrations, psychic readings and now

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you're adapting to actually for people to
relate stories and things like that. Yeah,

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this is it. So this we
do one to one readings, which

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is a separate thing, and then
we do group demonstrations psychic demonstrations plus ghost

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stories and that's another separate thing,
but they both happen on the same evening.

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Wow, that sounds a good thing
to go to. So for anyone

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that's you're in the Hartford share it, but you're you're branching out now,

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so yeah, we're we're looking into
We do mostly Hertfordshire, Essex, North

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London, Buckinghamshire, Bedfordshire, Cambridgehire, but we are branching out a little

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bit into Kent and kind of East
Sussex and Hampshire area as well. Right,

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So if you're any of those counties
and your fancy taking part in one

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of and is tuned in events,
go to tuned in Events dot co dot

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uk to find out further information.
I suppose you have a post in listens

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of where you're appearing and things like
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the website is being updated, so
it's better to go into Facebook, so

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the latest for all the latest ones
and find our group or page. Cool.

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Excellent. Well, I wonder if
they have anything like tuned in events

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up in the North of England because
you're you seem to be covering the south

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quite well. Yeah yeah, I
really touched the north. Yeah, so

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we might as well bring out guesting. Maybe you can tell us if there's

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anything similar to that other North.
So like a welcome Craig Briant as the

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Paranormal Radio UK Radio's other show,
which is the Paranormal Pendul podcast. Welcome

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to Craig Bryant up in Lancashire in
the North of England. How are you,

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Craig? Great? Thank you very
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too were to talk to you.
Keep you joined us And in answer to

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Andy's question, do you have anything
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aware of? Not that I'm aware
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maybe you need to to branch out
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I mean maybe that's where Craig can you

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know, start his own version of
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correct, Yeah, that's right.
It'd be what do they call it when

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when you buy a thing in company
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franchise. There you go, you
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there we go. Cool, Well, thank you for joining us. Craig.

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So you're, as I mentioned,
you're a member of the Parann the

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UK Radio network as well. You're
a host yourself now and you've been having

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your show. How long you been
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Radio network, Probably for about two
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as prolific as some. I tend
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of two to three weeks. Really, I think I up to about so

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I've just recorded episode thirty seven.
So yeah, a couple of years.

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Wow. And I mean we've been
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or seventeen, I think, Andy, haven't we do once a month mostly?

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out. Really, I don't know
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you know, like Mark and Irene
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too well, Andy's very busy.
I'm so busy. So we just kind

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of managed to cram it in a
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We try and cramming at least a
recording to to get out as the people.

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So what prompted you to start doing
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really, it's sort of stemmed from
the fact that I wrote a book which

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which was something that I've been meaning
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about three years ago I actually sat
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in other words, keyboard to screen
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basically a book which was which is
about my own personal experiences experiences of family,

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friends and people at a sport too
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the book, very much based around
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which is East Lancashire, so the
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um. And once I have published
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sat there and I thought, right, what do I do next? Or

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write another book, or do I
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doing a podcast, which was something
that I hadn't really thought about in the

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past, just suddenly popped into into
my mind because I've been a guest on

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a number of podcasts up to this
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book and being quite new to the
whole to the whole scene. Really how

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I was in quite a bit of
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I was doing quite quite a lot
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I just thought, you know what, I'm going to give it a go.

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I'll have a go. If it
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doesn't, it doesn't. And you
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mean, he can be a little
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all. And as you say,
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job, I'm married, I'm a
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a very interesting conversation with a very
stressed out sixteen year old who's going through

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his GCSS. So yes, So
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does get in the way of doing
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spelt some really interesting guests over the
last couple of years. I've had some

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really high profile guests on there.
I've spoken to people about some fascinating subjects,

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some really interesting stories, some really
interesting points of view, and it's

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just been a real pleasure to talk
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five percent of the people I've had
on the shore, you know I've been,

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have been really really good, and
I've really enjoyed speaking to them.

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You know, you have a name
drop and say who you've had him.

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Yeah, I was very lucky to
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Paul reciprocated and had me on his
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couple of times now. I've had
Philip Man, Paul. I've had a

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local, a local guy called um
Oh Simon and Twistle who Yeah, he

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has the stories, doesn't even the
peoples. Yeah, yeah, he's he's

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a local local guide, local paralormal
guide from Clitherof, which is the nearest

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time to to our hour live it
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Um. So he was actually the
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yeah, I've had some really I've
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Kinsella, the Friends of Ours.
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one after the other, so rather
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which was which was quite quite interesting, you know, different different points

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of view. So yeah, I've
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on there. You learn a lot
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their subject to the table and they
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the cuff things that you think,
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of a story that you've just told
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the two years you've been running,
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information that you otherwise come across.
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of that. The last podcast that
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by no date Yeah, yeah,
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one. So he um he it
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just just went off and it just
went off in a direction that I didn't

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expect it to go. And he
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cases. And I hope that as
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dark outside, and I was getting
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way. Yeah, but I was
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as he was telling me. I
was getting actually quite scared. When he

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was telling me, I was,
you know, there were noises and things

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going on all around me and I
what have you? Um, And yet

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great storytelling really you know, set
set the scene really well, really atmospheric,

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um, you know, episode really
thought provoking as well, and a

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little bit disturbing. And I think
sometimes it's it's great to go down that

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route. You know, you can
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I've had, you know, which
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titillating sometimes rather than being you know, down right oh you know, a

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little bit m scary scary. Yeah, I'm thinking I'm like, you know,

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scary or worrying or a bit you
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really interesting power and ass I must
start mate, Yeah, it almost it's

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like being taken into the Twilight Zone
with a lot of this stuff. For

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any people that remember the Twilight's album
and they did repeat, so it actually

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back in the eighties, I think
on TV, I think you can catch

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episodes of the Twilight Zone for anyone
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YouTube. They have great stuff on
YouTube. Old films, science fiction films

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I've watched sometimes, you know,
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of nice about the at the time
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old science fiction films, and they're
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this kind of weirdly, strangely comforting. Even though the special effects aren't that

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great, there's something comforting about them. I don't want it is. Maybe

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it's some nostalgic stuff. I don't
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simple, aren't they. Yeah yeah, but you know it's what we kind

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of grew up on that sort of
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like strange but true it slightly different
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yeah, I grew up watching UFO
Space nineteen ninety Yeah. Yeah, Tells

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of the Unexpected as well. There
were several episodes of those that still resonate

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with me today has been quite quite
disturbing, so so tooky of disturbing,

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Craig. Can you can you rattle
through a time of events of things that

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you've experienced in supernatural woo in your
life? Yeah? Whether it will begin,

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um, well, yeah, it
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I have been interested in in the
paranormal really ever since I was a small

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child. I spent a lot of
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grandfather was was a real the good
storyteller, and he had an interesting in

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ghost stories and local legends up and
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stories. Um. And looking back
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probably a little bit scary. But
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of started my interest in the paranormal. And then as I got older and

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got into my teens, um,
these things sort of leaving a little bit

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and you have different you know,
different interest in life and different priorities in

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life and so on. Well,
then the mid eighties, I was and

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I was at college. I was
working part time in It was a very

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old sort of members club, UM
with you know, a bar and a

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big room with snooker tables, and
it was a it was an old conservative

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club in Acrington. Now unfortunately the
building isn't there anymore. It's um it

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succumbed to to Arson about well but
ten years ago now, I think something

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like that. UM. But when
I worked there, it was it was

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stole very much in its um,
in its original grandeur as a building,

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and it was it was a really
really interesting place just just to be in

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there. But I actually had quite
an interesting experience with what people now call

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a shadow man or a half man. UM. It was at the time

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it wasn't a phrase that that was
particularly well known. I mean, you

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know, obviously back in the mid
Ages, we didn't have um, you

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know, the Internet, we didn't
have um, you know, the the

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pex asia that these sort of things
have now, UM, And we certainly

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didn't have the radio shows on the
podcasts and that sort of thing. So

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this sudden new this this description has
been sort of attached to this type of

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phenomenon since. But at the time
I thought that I had just seen a

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ghost or some sort of some sort
of ghostly apparition, And it was actually

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whilst I was I was in the
club. I was working in the club

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one night and I actually saw this
figure through. It was sort of like

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I was working behind behind one of
the bars and in the room next door,

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in the adjacent room there was it
was quite a large room and it

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was worth they had all the snooker
tables, so there was those three full

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size twelve foot by six foot snooker
tables in the secret imagine. It was

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quite quite a big room, and
there was a sort of waist high serving

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hatch at the end of the bar. It was it was only a very

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probably I don't know, cook but
maybe to me to square something like that

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to meters bad to me because it
wasn't a particularly big big opening um.

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And obviously people who were playing snowker
they used to come certain that that was

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the part of the bar that used
to come to in that room, and

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you know, you certain drinks want
it, but there was nobody in the

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belt the bar this particular evening we
were about to close up. It was

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only about half an hour before we
were due to closed. I mean,

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this is back in the day were
used to close that, you know,

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bars used to close ten o'clock or
half ten whatever during the week. Um.

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And there was nobody in the snooker
room. It was called cletely empty.

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There was nobody in the bar area. And I saw this figure through

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the serving hatch, stood at the
other side of the serving hatch in the

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in the snooker room in that area
of the building. Um. And it

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was sort of very tall, very
thin. Um. I could remember seeing

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that it was wearing what looked like
a hat, a son of like a

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sort of Fedora type hat. It
wasn't like a top hat or or a

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stove pipe hat, like a Dick
Tracy type pet. Yeah, yeah,

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that sort of thing. Yeah.
Yeah. So it wasn't like a Victorian

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stove pipe hat or anything like that
as he's called the store, Yes,

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stove pipe hats. Used to call
him the long you know Pi and Bard

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Kingdom Brunelle type thing. It was
more a sort of floppy type hat.

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Um. And yeah, this this
figure, although there was no official features,

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it was just a very dark outline
and a very dark shape. I

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could see that it had arms.
I could I could see that it had

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a torso because I could only see
it from the waist up because of where

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the bar was. But he was
leaning forward and it was almost like it

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was leaning through the hatch and looking
through on the other on my side of

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the hatch and looking down at the
floor with its arms on either side.

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And this this stayed there for a
few seconds, probably about four or five

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seconds, and then it just disappeared
completely um and we had and he's sort

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could did you see through it?
Or was it? Could you make it

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out of details? So it was
solid. It was a solid, dark

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shape, so I come to see
through it was a translucent trength thill like

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that. But there were no facial
features, there were no features of clawthing.

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It was just a defined black mat
um and you know, in the

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shape of a figure with with this
heart um. And as I said,

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this was this was the min eighties, so we didn't have mobile phones or

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anything like that, but we did
have an internal phone system because the building

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was actually on three floors. Now, I'm a seller, and the only

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other person that I knew that that
was in um was in the building at

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the time was the guy who used
to run the club. He was a

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steward and he was upstairs on the
third floor. Um. So I rang

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up using the internal fall system and
I said, Pindy, come downstairs.

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Something really weirds just so he said, yeah, but worth that effect.

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I'll keep it clean. Um And
anyway back for sex Lettery came through the

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door. Um, and it's looked
at me and he said blind He said,

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you all right, said you like, look like you've seen a ghost.

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And that's straight as ly enough.
I think I've come and he said,

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oh so so he said, well
you've seen it as well, have

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you? And I said, well, what do you mean? He said,

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all right, he said, I've
seen it, and it's been seen

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back quite a few of the people
over the years who've who've worked here,

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many of whom have seen it and
left and never come back. And he

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described it perfectly. And he also
described exactly where I had seen it.

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So he said through the serving act
in the snoo career on the other side,

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long tall, thin figure sort of
thing, um. And I said,

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yeah, that's that's the one,
um and um and yeah, that

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that was it. I don't think
he really scared me at the time.

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I was more um curious as a
strigued by it. Intrigue yeah, and

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then sort of, you know,
a little bit perplexed. I think probably

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the best best way. And I
didn't realist to mention it to anybody else

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because he just didn't you know,
I didn't want people to to think I

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was going a bit dr lally,
you know, even though you know what

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I'd seen had been corroborated. It's
not something that I wanted to want to

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talk about. But over the years
as sponts sponts people friends who do worked

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in the club over the years and
you know, associate some what have you,

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and you know, they allude to
seeing something strange or they alluded to

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hearing that somebody had seen something strange. So so it's definite, definitely quite

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a prolific sighting if they worked out
who it might be, like if there's

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any murders, suicide or anything that
tragedy that happened, um well, interestingly

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for a long time. No,
But then when I was doing some reason

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search for the second book, than
I wrote there's a street very close by

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to where the club was called Warner
Streets, and Warner Street is probably the

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right people who do a lot of
paranorial investigations in the Northwest, right and

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it's probably one of the most haunted
streets that they investigate, and there is

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one particular premises that's had quite a
lot of investigation done into it. Now.

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I interviewed a local medium a couple
of years ago, actually was one

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of the early podcast interviews started,
and she mentioned a entity that they had

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picked up on called Josiah and he
was described as being a very tall,

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thin man with a hat. Now
they'd had they'd had this experience, and

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in fact, it was quite a
violent entity. I think it's the best

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best way to describe it was very
very classic Poltergist activity. There was a

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lot of a lot of movement of
things, other things being thrown, and

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there was a lot of physical shoving
and pushing. And Diane, who's the

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medium that I spoke to, her
husband was actually physically pushed down the stairs.

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They saw. They picked this up
at this venue. You're saying,

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it wasn't the same venue where I
saw it, where I saw the figure,

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but it was literally within about a
quarter of a mile, right.

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But the interesting thing about because the
description was was too similar for me,

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and I wonder whether this this particular
entity is moving about now. The reason

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why I'm saying that is because when
I did some I actually started to do

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a bit of research online into because
she mentioned a murder. So when I

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started doing some research into this particular
murder, it was a letter called Ann

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Courts who had been murdered, and
there was the murder was that. This

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was back in the late nineteenth century. So it's all in the second book,

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the whole story. But briefly,
what had happened was a young boy

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had been charged with the murder because
he'd found the body, but she was

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still alive actor when he found her. She died later on from from her

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own she had been stabbed. And
it was only at the trial, which

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was at Lancaster Lancaster Castle, that
an anonymous letter was received from somebody who

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a number of days later after the
murder had taken place, had been talking

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to what he describes as a very
tall, very thin, very gaunt looking

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man in a public house in bolt
Now, people who don't know the area

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in Bolton is probably about, I
would says, about twenty miles from Acrington,

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twenty twenty five miles. But back
in those days before we had major

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robes and motorways, you know,
it will probably take you a good half

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a day to get there by horse
or horse and cart or whatever. This

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was obviously before the days of motor
cars. Um. And this particular gentleman,

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this very tall thing called gentleman,
had confessed he was drunk in this

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pub, this pub, and he
confessed to this anonymous letter writer that he

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had murdered Anne Courts in Acrington a
few days earlier. And the next day

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they actually found his body dead on
the railway lines in the center of Bolton.

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So um, it would seem that
the same the same man, the

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man who had you know, prated
the murder, and obviously he fled the

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scene, got as far away as
he possibly could a confessed something had happened,

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and he ended up being found dead
on the railway lines. But then,

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of course his spirit has come back
and he's haunting that the premises were,

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as it turns out, this murder
had taken place. But I'm pretty

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convinced that it's the same spirit that
he's moving around, because it has been

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seen or there's been sightings of the
tall, thin, shadowy figure in the

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area in general, in the sort
of you know, half a mile square

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area around Worthy the old club was, and this particular shop and Warner Street,

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so it's possible they are the same. I can't prove it, but

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I think the description and everything else
would seem to be, you know,

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too much of a coincidence. Tom
So it could be the he's frequenting like

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where he used to hang out at, Yeah, the air. It would

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be interesting. Do do do the
venues that this particular entity has been seen,

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do they all report the same thing
in terms of violent activity or poltergeist

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activity? That would be interesting.
Well with regards to the because it's a

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shop on Wall streets, So with
regards to the shop, then the guess

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there is um quite a lot of
poltergeist activity. And in fact it was

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it was hind when somebody decided to
go in and foolishly use auigible Yeah,

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and he meant things an awful lot
worse. With regards to the club where

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I used to work, as I
said, unfortunately about ten years ago it

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burned down and there's nothing there at
them and it's it's just it's just basically

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a pile of pile of rubble.
You know. People have been trying to

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get Planet permission to build on the
site. Now, that would be interesting

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if they do if somebody does build
something on the site to see whether there

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is any politic gist activity that you
know comes forward from from that, because

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I've no doubt that whatever the spirit
is, whatever the entities is, probably

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still in that area. It's interesting. There's two points I'd like to say

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about that is. One is at
ball Erectory famous the most haunted house in

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Britain allegedly burned down and that's how
it ended in the nineteen thirties and down.

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So you know your Conservative Club burnt
down as well. Now, whoever,

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you know, someone obviously started a
fire at ball Directory, someone obviously

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started a fire at the Conservative Club. Who they were, we don't know.

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But it's interesting these places a big
ghosts end up getting burnt down to

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the ground. And I wonder despeculatively
that you know, there was a medium

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in the town of Chesham where I
lived, and he was a very very

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good medium years ago that he gave
me a reading the Spiritist Church, but

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a lot of people not known much
about spiritualism or mediums kind of thought that

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he was a kind of a witch
type bloke and he suffered of far in

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his own house, where people literally
thrown fire bombs at his house or something

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like that, you know, after
he had died. Wow, And so

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they literally tried to burn down his
house. Yeah, he was a really

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nice guy and everything just he'd happened
to be really talented, accurate medium.

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But it's again the people that don't
understand these things. It's modern mentality and

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fire rules the game, and they'll
try and burn it down. So I

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wonder if you conservative club the words
got round there's something nasty there and they're

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trying to destroy it, you know, Um, yeah, entirely possible.

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I mean it was. It was
empty for for quite a while. He

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did actually clause as a as a
club, and he became a nightclub for

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a for a short period of time. And then there was unfortunately a fatality

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outside the nightclub and they they're lost
the license to trade. And then it's

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empty for quite a while, and
it fell into quite serious disrepair. And

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I have photographs of have somebody had
managed to get inside and take photographs of

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it in its stead to disrepair.
So that was a bit upsetting, really'd

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see that because it was quite you
know, it was quite a magnificent building

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inside. How old was the building
roughly eighteen ninety six. I think he

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was built, but it had been
a listed building perhaps, Oh yeah,

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yeah it was. Yeah, you
see, that's that's what one of the

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problems with it was because it was
because it was a bread too listed building.

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Um, people who wanted to take
it over and do things where they

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couldn't get a planning permission. Yeah. So and so it just he just

407
00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:52,799
laid empty and just fell into fell
into a state disrepair. Yeah. It's

408
00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:57,400
interesting because I mean, years and
years ago there was a pub in Chesham

409
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,640
called, I think it's still there
there the Dragon or something, the Dragon

410
00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:07,079
figure what it was to cook something, the Dragon that we used to do

411
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:15,559
plays in their years ago. And
in the upstairs bar they had found someone

412
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:20,920
had found old drawings that someone had
done on the wall from literally the time

413
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,039
of the eighteen or seventeen hundreds,
like we that you'd call them cartoons,

414
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:30,200
but they weren't. They were literally
drawings, you know, quite accurate drawings,

415
00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:32,200
you know, people with like the
Dick Turbin hats and they're drawn them

416
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,359
on the wall from their time of
you know, and the new bomb.

417
00:32:36,759 --> 00:32:38,960
The guy who took over the pub
some years later was saying, oh,

418
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:42,799
it's a shame you know, I
really want to paper over that and you

419
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,920
know, put stuff up there.
But I'm not an altar. It's like,

420
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:47,079
God, you know, don't you
appreciate history? You know the I

421
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,359
think they've actually been framed. You've
got glass and to protect them because they

422
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,240
were an enlisted thing, you know, And I think when they discovered it

423
00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:55,920
was all in the papers. Well
look at these historical drawings. This is

424
00:32:57,039 --> 00:32:59,720
history stuff. And this guy just
wanted to take up the whole lot and

425
00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:01,480
just paper it over, not giving
it shit as so long as he made

426
00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:05,240
a load of money, he was
quite happy to do that. And it's

427
00:33:05,319 --> 00:33:07,559
quite annoying that these people want to
do that. So you can see why

428
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:12,000
that they're It's a very difficult thing
when people want to take you over a

429
00:33:12,039 --> 00:33:16,359
listed building about what they can and
can't do with it. But I guess,

430
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:21,519
you know, there could be a
thing there somewhere that someone says,

431
00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:24,559
oh, if we fire on the
base place that gets rid of the property,

432
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,119
then we've got the actual land that
we can then build on, all

433
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,119
the flesh and all nice to what
we want. You know, you could

434
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:35,119
see it like that as well.
Now it's interesting you said you saw this

435
00:33:35,359 --> 00:33:39,440
this this guy, but hot on
coming through the doorway of the serving hatch

436
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,720
now. And a lot of my
research, and you might have heard people

437
00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:47,720
say yourself talking to people that ghosts
and spirits, they often cite people stand

438
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,480
doorways or looking through windows and things
like that. And in my research it

439
00:33:53,559 --> 00:33:57,680
seems to come up ahead of a
lot. And it seems to me that

440
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,680
it's no coincidence that when mediums called
mediums, they users what they call a

441
00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:05,759
sance cabinet or a medium's cabinet,
which is a bit like a wardrobe before

442
00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:09,960
I coor a curtain or something where
they're sitting a kind of framework like structure,

443
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:15,559
and if the conditions are right,
ectoplasmic forms coming out of the medium

444
00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:19,639
will form into some sort of structure
of a human being and come out.

445
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,559
They pull the cut and of this
cabinet will open the door or whatever it

446
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:25,679
may be, and step out.
It's normally a curtain, but they're forming

447
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:30,159
in a kind of square box like
structure. And I did ask a medium

448
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:31,559
this because he had one in his
own bedroom, and I said, why

449
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:35,840
do you have this cabinet? What's
the idea of it? He said,

450
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,000
well, he's sitting inside in it, it's got to be a box like

451
00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:40,639
structure because it builds up the energy. And so as an analogy, I

452
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,239
say to people that if they want
to make a cake, for instance,

453
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,800
they might put the mixture in a
tin and they switch their other on and

454
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,559
they open the oven door and they
pop in their caked in with a mixture

455
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:52,480
and they shut it and they've got
out of the door shut because it builds

456
00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:55,599
up the energy, the heat energy
in this case, and after a time,

457
00:34:57,199 --> 00:35:00,480
the structure of the liquid stuff becomes
like a you know, sponge cake

458
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:05,199
or something. And so in a
sense, it's like the structure of this

459
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,199
stuff, the meat, what the
media produced, the ectoplasm will become a

460
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:15,239
solid mass once you built up the
energy and henceful state. They open up

461
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,880
the curtains, step out, and
I think that they can make similar structures,

462
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,719
all built on a more temporary basis, using things like serving hatchees or

463
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:29,519
doorways. They can appear in doorways
momentarily maybe five or six seconds, and

464
00:35:29,559 --> 00:35:31,800
they they're gone, And it's a
way of bouncing the energy I think between

465
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:37,960
the beams or the structure of the
panels and things like that. And it's

466
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,719
there's an interesting thing that they have
in Chinese or Japanese folklore, that is,

467
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:45,519
when they build bridges over rivers,
they have a bridge and they'll have

468
00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:49,280
it go sowhere, but then it'll
turn right, and then it all turned

469
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,159
left. It won't be a straightforward
bridge over a river. In the olden

470
00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:54,360
times, they have a bridge that
goes left right, left, right,

471
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,559
left right, and the idea was
that is to keep spirits at baker spirits

472
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,280
or evil spirits. So they said
could not navigate across this bridge. Then

473
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,920
makes me wonder if there's a similar
kind of idea going there with the structure

474
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,920
of the bridge. So it's worth
looking into. It'd be interesting that should

475
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,880
someone build on the premises of the
Conservative Club, that when they start to

476
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,000
build things that they might still get
more ghost signs, even though it would

477
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,760
be a modern building, simply because
whatever could be there might utilize the same

478
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:28,000
structure of doorways or hatchets or things
like that, just a manifesting, especially

479
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,119
if they're stuck there. So it's
one of those things it's worth keeping an

480
00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:35,360
eye on our guests. Yeah,
absolutely, yeah, yeah, So your

481
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,280
books, what prompted you to write
the books? Obviously you started to accumulate

482
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,480
a lot of stories and presumably wanted
to commitment a paper in some form.

483
00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:46,760
Well, yeah, that the story, the story that I've just told you

484
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:52,079
really was was the furness one,
because that was the that was the thing

485
00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:59,440
that had stuck with me for quite
a while. But I just I started

486
00:36:59,559 --> 00:37:07,360
talking to family and friends m and
I just I literally just started to collect

487
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:14,079
these stories and I knew that they
were there were stories that had never been

488
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,280
put in print before because a lot
of them we were very personal stories.

489
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:28,119
Um. My wife's family, for
instance, lived in am very old farmhouse

490
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:37,079
which had some really interesting poltergeist activity
in it. Um and I just I

491
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:44,320
just started to collect all these stories
and eventually I had enough to put into

492
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:51,760
a book. I put some some
feelers out on local social media pages for

493
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,000
the sort of a Slankashire area to
see if if anybody would would contact me

494
00:37:55,079 --> 00:38:00,679
with their own personal stories, and
I got old life and lots lots of

495
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:06,880
the lots of people were you know, more than happy to talk to me

496
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:12,719
about about their old experiences. Some
of them were quite um, quite high

497
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:17,119
open them and one particular lady I
spot so about to hope she lived did

498
00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:24,719
where again there was there was massive
amounts of poltergeist activities suddenly quiet quite violent,

499
00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:30,000
um, you know. And she
did research into into the property and

500
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:37,960
came up with some really quite fascinating
facts and theories about what was causing you

501
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:42,480
know, these these manifestations um.
As you know, as I say,

502
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,039
my wife's family had some really interesting
experiences when they lived at the farm.

503
00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:52,639
Um. And so yeah, it
was just it was just I got so

504
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,760
many stories that I thought, well, it would be such a shame not

505
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,599
so I actually put them into a
boat. And again, very much like

506
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:02,559
stars in a podcast these days,
it's you know, if you have the

507
00:39:02,639 --> 00:39:07,039
time and the aga energy to write
a book, you can you can self

508
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:10,079
publish um. As as we know, you know, you don't have to

509
00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:14,400
find a publisher anymore, you don't
have to find an agent. Um.

510
00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:16,800
You can literally do it yourself.
And that's what a lot of people do.

511
00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:22,760
Um. And so it's actually quite
quite easy if you have the material.

512
00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:27,199
Um, it's actually quite quite easy
to write and publish a bookwayes days.

513
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,000
So I thought, well, I
might as well do it, because

514
00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:31,840
I've got so many great stories.
Um. You know, it just seemed

515
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:37,519
to share aim, not to not
to commit them to to posterity m and

516
00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:43,199
so that was the first book that
Ghosts of Accrington. Well, yeah,

517
00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:45,400
the first one is called The Shadow
a Man of akron Sha and sorry bigger

518
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:50,320
one, the Shadow. Yeah.
And then obviously that's the you know that

519
00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:54,480
the the titulus story of of of
the book, the one the one that

520
00:39:54,519 --> 00:39:58,800
I had UM. And then the
second book, which is which is a

521
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,719
sort of follow up to that,
which again has got lots of lots of

522
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:08,159
personal experiences in the lots of local
legends, UM, lots of lots of

523
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:14,119
little bits and pieces from people who've
contacted me over the years who've either read

524
00:40:14,159 --> 00:40:19,639
the first book or listened to the
podcast and contacted me again with their own

525
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:25,079
stories basically from from the same you
know, from from the area um of

526
00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:30,480
a Clankyshire and also up now where
I lived near near Pendle Hill, and

527
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:37,159
some really interesting ghost stories from from
this area as well. I think the

528
00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:43,559
Witches of Pendle Hill is that is
that the story that Yeah, there's yet

529
00:40:43,639 --> 00:40:50,679
there's the Pendle Witches, which was
it's a very famous trial, the Pendal

530
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,719
Witch trial UM from sixty twelve.
So yeah, that the people who were

531
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,920
involved in that all all lived around
here. In this area. Was all

532
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,440
based in this area. Um,
so I do, I do go into

533
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:06,840
that a little bit in both books. Um, talk a little bit about

534
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,920
that because obviously it's quite it's quite
an immotive subject and you know, a

535
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:14,559
lot of people find it very interesting
and there's a lot of history of that

536
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,239
around here where I live. And
I'm very lucky. I look out look

537
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,639
at the office window and I'm talking
to you now, and I can see

538
00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:27,440
Pendle Hill from from the window.
So it's I'm literally sort of, you

539
00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:30,840
know, a question of a mile
away from the hill itself. So for

540
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,079
the benefit of listeners who've never heard
of it, you want to give a

541
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,119
brief synopsis of the Witches of Pindulhoo. Yeah, well, I'm back in

542
00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:46,559
in sixteen twelve. It was basically
he involved two local families, really two

543
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:52,159
very poor local families, and a
few other individuals we've got wrought into it.

544
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:58,880
Um. There was about about twelve
people altogether. We tried at Lancaster

545
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:06,519
and basically it was it was it
was a product of the times. James

546
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:09,320
the first James six of Scotland,
James first of England had just comes from

547
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:16,800
the throne following the death of Elizabeth
first Um. He was obsessed with witchcraft.

548
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:28,559
He wrote the book called Demonology,
which it destructed his followers. How

549
00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:32,840
to deal with witches, so all
all the things about you know, dunking

550
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:39,239
witches in in in water, and
how to interrogate them, how to use

551
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:44,239
things like bodkins and that sort of
thing to get, you know, to

552
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:49,280
get confessions out of them. Were
to look on the bodies for the for

553
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,760
the marks that they believed that the
devil made when when the devil was um

554
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,480
they believe that the devil would would
suck the blood of these people in return

555
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:06,000
for the favors. And basically what
happened with these two families there were two

556
00:43:07,199 --> 00:43:10,880
matriarchs of both families, Chattocs on
one side and dem Dyke upon the other.

557
00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:17,920
As there were there were none clock
locally, and they basically got caught

558
00:43:19,039 --> 00:43:24,199
up in an investigation by a local
magistrate and James the first that they had

559
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:30,239
basically sent an instruction out to all
the magistrates across the country to be on

560
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:36,559
the lookout for people who they thought
were involved in witchcraft. Now these may

561
00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:42,199
well ad just been people who didn't
attend church believe in it. In fact,

562
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,679
they used to go around to the
churches on a Sunday, and they

563
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,079
used to see who was in church. They used to see who wasn't in

564
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,079
church, and the ones that words
in church they used to used to question

565
00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:58,400
in terrogate. What happened with these
two families were that there were a number

566
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,119
of accusations made by each family towards
the other families. So there were things

567
00:44:01,199 --> 00:44:08,840
such as harming life stock, so
turning milk sour, causing causing people to

568
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:19,360
to have illnesses, even in some
cases causing death. One particular gentleman,

569
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:28,480
who was a local merchant, had
suffered well. He was called John Law,

570
00:44:28,639 --> 00:44:32,559
and he was on his way to
Halifax when he met one of the

571
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:37,800
old the old women and her daughter
some of her granddaughter by the side of

572
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:43,599
the road. They were begging,
and because he wouldn't buy any of the

573
00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:46,119
goods that they were they were trying
to sell or go basically give them any

574
00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:52,400
money. One of them it was
probably just a throwaway comment set something the

575
00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:57,119
lines of I curse shove or something
like that, and he'd literally at that

576
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,039
point had a stroke and fell off
his horse. Now, of course they

577
00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:07,639
put this down to witchcraft. They
were the local magistrate got involved. He

578
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:14,440
started to interrogate various members of the
two families and various other people as well

579
00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:19,840
who were associates. Um So,
probably one of the most famous ones as

580
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:24,320
a lady by the name of Alice
Nutter. Yeah, that's probably where the

581
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:34,480
phrase comes from. If she was
a quite quite well to do widow of

582
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:39,400
a local Yam farmery are quite quite
quite a bit land actually, um and

583
00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:46,599
she was. She was implicated in
various different acts of witchcraft as well.

584
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:52,079
Interestingly, when when you start started
to look into what was actually going on,

585
00:45:52,119 --> 00:45:55,440
a lot of these people were actually
practicing Catholics and they used to practice

586
00:45:55,719 --> 00:46:02,800
in secret um and so of course
it was quite easy for people to accuse

587
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,480
them as well. If you know, whatever you're doing in secret, it's

588
00:46:06,519 --> 00:46:09,920
obviously you know on holey and you're
in league with the devil and everything else,

589
00:46:10,679 --> 00:46:15,239
um and and there were a number
of quite wild confessions as well.

590
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:21,159
These some of these people genuinely believed
that they were in league with the devil

591
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:27,559
and that they could cast spells,
they could heal people. You know,

592
00:46:27,679 --> 00:46:34,519
they were very much sort of local
wise women um as as you call them

593
00:46:34,599 --> 00:46:38,719
now. They were very poorly educated
that they believed a lot of what they

594
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:45,559
were saying. There was a lot
of accusations towards um other people. So

595
00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:49,639
there, you know, there were
various accusations flying around. I mean one

596
00:46:49,679 --> 00:46:53,880
of them was that m Chattocks used
to good or two graveyards and dig up

597
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:59,840
dead bodies, and they also used
to you know, they were involved in

598
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:04,679
fancy side and all all sorts of
stuff. So basically they were all carted

599
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:09,760
off foot to Lancaster U which is
about a seventy mile walk. There is

600
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:16,840
actually the Pendule which Pendle which way
as it's called, which is basically following

601
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:25,400
the route from clever Or to to
Lancaster up over the moors through the forests

602
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:30,239
of Boland and the route that they
took them and they marched them up there

603
00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:39,760
to last Castle. They tried them
put them on trial. The main witness

604
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:47,199
for the prosecution was an eight year
old girl who basically Jeanette Preston, who

605
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:52,880
sorry Jeanette Device. Jenette Preston was
one of the accused. Genette Device,

606
00:47:53,199 --> 00:47:58,920
who was, as saying, an
eight year old girl. She basically came

607
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,119
out with all sort of wild,
wild accusations against her own family. So

608
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:07,760
her brother, her mother, her
grandmother and so on. She said that

609
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:12,119
you know, various various stories about
them being in league with the devil,

610
00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:15,039
and the devil would come to them
in various forms. They have familiars,

611
00:48:16,199 --> 00:48:22,760
you know, things like black cats
for instance, So that's that's where the

612
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:27,280
black cat thing comes from. And
they used to make portions and spells and

613
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,159
then all sorts of stuff, and
she and she was the main prosecution waitress

614
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:38,559
and off off the back of all
this, they were basically convicted of witchcraft

615
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:49,519
and summarily hanged executed for all of
them, all apart from one who actually

616
00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:57,559
died in the cells at Lancaster Castle
before the trial. They were held in

617
00:48:58,599 --> 00:49:07,039
pretty deep disgusting conditions throughout thirty months
really in dungeons prior to the trial.

618
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:10,079
So they were in a fairly sorry
old state by the time they did actually

619
00:49:10,199 --> 00:49:15,079
get to trial. But but yeah, one of them, um one didn't

620
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:21,679
didn't managed to get to trial.
Sheets she died before the trial took place.

621
00:49:22,159 --> 00:49:25,079
And how did they executive? Was
it hanging? Yeah? Yeah,

622
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:29,679
hang on, yeah, I think
there's there's different laws that if you're in

623
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,559
Scotland you burn at the stake or
if you're in England, you hang or

624
00:49:32,639 --> 00:49:39,280
something. Um, I'm not sure. I'm not sure about being bettered to

625
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:45,679
the sake of Scotland in England,
nor convicted, which I mean in vertu

626
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:51,320
commons. Was ever was ever burnt
in England? Yeah, they were.

627
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:59,239
They were all hanged and in fact, torture wasn't allowed to extract confessions in

628
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,840
England. It was in Scotland.
So if you look at the Barrack witch

629
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:09,079
Trials for instance, which was um
the witch trial really that started it all

630
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:14,760
off with James the first he became
quite obsessed with this, with this um,

631
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:17,920
this witch trial. There were there
were quite a lot of people involved

632
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:25,480
in that um and there's some some
quite horrific accounts of how they extracted confessions

633
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:30,320
from from these people. Um.
And and they were executed. I think

634
00:50:30,599 --> 00:50:32,960
I think they were hanged as well. I don't think they were burns.

635
00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:37,119
They used to burn, which is
on the continents in Europe. Maybe that's

636
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:39,239
why I'm getting confused yet. And
of course of coming Suez, you know,

637
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:45,679
there was a lot of religious burnings, shall we say, you know,

638
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:50,480
depending on which mollarch was was sitting
on the throne at the time,

639
00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:58,280
and you know certainly. Um,
you know, Henry the Eighth panned Mary

640
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:04,159
Bloody, Mary and Elizabeth. We're
all, you know, pretty I'm married

641
00:51:04,159 --> 00:51:07,199
to a history teacher by the way, so so so. Yeah, they

642
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:15,280
were all fairly, you know,
fairly adept at dispatching people by by various

643
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:20,400
different math. Yeah. There was
a very burning was the man one.

644
00:51:20,519 --> 00:51:23,440
Yeah, very very unpleasant method they
used in Scotland, which I actually visited

645
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,079
the Sitle. I mean I wasn't
looking for I just happened to come across

646
00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:30,760
it many many years ago. I
stayed at the Findhorn Foundation, which is

647
00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:37,159
north of Invernest by about thirty miles
and next to the Findhorn Foundation, which

648
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,199
is it's kind of a spiritual New
Age center where they supposedly had communication with

649
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:46,079
the Deva Kingdom or Fairy Kingdom to
grow huge vegetables back in the sixties and

650
00:51:46,159 --> 00:51:50,719
it grew into the Finderhorn Foundation that
it is today. Well, when I

651
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,559
was visiting that, there's a nearby
town or village of forests and it's a

652
00:51:54,639 --> 00:51:58,800
really nice little pretty place, all
the flowers and stuff like that. But

653
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:04,920
there's this stone with an inscription on
it's literally right outside the police station,

654
00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:08,480
and there's there's a hill which trees
sort of like a mile and a half

655
00:52:08,519 --> 00:52:14,000
away, huge hill with trees,
and it says this stone marks the place

656
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:19,840
where this witch, local witch was
put in a barrel full of spikes on

657
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,800
the inside, and they rolled her
down this hoole. Literally all the way

658
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:27,360
down this hill, all these spikes
were stabbing into a poor lady. And

659
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,239
eventually barrel came to rest where this
stone was, and it happened to be

660
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,519
where they put the police station.
Whether there was an intentional thing of putting

661
00:52:32,519 --> 00:52:36,880
the police station now, I don't
know. But this stone with an inscription

662
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,960
mark was spots. I thought,
God, these people were really nice to

663
00:52:39,079 --> 00:52:42,760
each other back in the Middle Ages, so they really had a way of

664
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,800
treating people fairly and with dignity.
And yeah, yeah, I mean hanging

665
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:51,760
probably was was one of the better
ways to go, like the wickest way

666
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:53,840
of dispatching somewhe Well, yeah,
but I mean it wasn't. It wasn't

667
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:59,400
hanging, you know, they didn't
they didn't drop them to break without put

668
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,119
them up on a rose. Used
to well, yeah, be on a

669
00:53:01,199 --> 00:53:07,360
cart and they just or some they'd
just hanging and dangle and it could could

670
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,719
take quite a while. Yeah,
but um, I mean there was so

671
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:14,880
of something pretty unpleasant, you know. Yeah, I mean I was telling

672
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:19,400
my partner last night about a case. It was only because we saw this

673
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:24,239
little pig on on Netflix and she
likes little pigs, and I said,

674
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:28,800
did you know that they actually tried
a pig in Germany in the Middle Ages

675
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:34,119
for witchcraft? Yeah? Yeah,
yeah, this pig was accused of being

676
00:53:34,159 --> 00:53:38,719
a witch and they actually put the
pig in the courtroom in Germany. And

677
00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:42,679
I don't know how what the conclusion
were they burned at a steak. I

678
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,079
mean it must have been like a
nice barbecue, a nice summer barbecue with

679
00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:52,159
port stratchins and stuff like that.
Afterwards, not very pleasant. And yeah,

680
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:57,159
it's the people that sometimes have the
moral high ground telling me that I'm

681
00:53:57,199 --> 00:54:00,840
in league with the devil. When
I'm doing my events. There's a pub

682
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:05,639
I can't go to now because the
local Christians have basically said there's a witchcraft

683
00:54:05,679 --> 00:54:08,079
and devil worshiping and all that kind
of thing, and they don't want it

684
00:54:08,159 --> 00:54:12,719
done at the pub. These are
the people bring in there to witnesses things,

685
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,360
of course, because they know much
more than nude about what you actually

686
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:20,360
do. Yeah, I mean,
I just love the hypocrisy of it,

687
00:54:20,639 --> 00:54:23,480
of people who used to hang innocent
people by the neck or burn them at

688
00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:27,480
the stake because they thought they had
the model big ground. But that's okay

689
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,320
because they do apologized later on a
few years later, the Pope kind of

690
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,719
give us an apology and it's all
forgotten abound. We can all get on

691
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,920
with our lives. But then they
can still come out and accuse you of

692
00:54:36,119 --> 00:54:39,559
all sorts of nasty things. As
long as they apologize for it, then

693
00:54:39,639 --> 00:54:44,280
they've got the moral high gram,
you see, so they confess their sins.

694
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,920
Anyway, I think we'll draw this
first part of the Paranormal Peep Show

695
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:53,480
to the end that will return in
part two. We're talking to Craig Bright

696
00:54:53,639 --> 00:54:58,239
or the Paranormal Pendle Podcast. It's
turned out to be very interesting and we're

697
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,039
not just chatting about ghosties, which
all about whiches and bigs as, which

698
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:04,960
is as well. So from well
will part that's who go I wonder,

699
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,360
So thanks very much for the moment. Craig, join us in part two

700
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:12,800
on the Paranormal Peep Show, not
the Paranormal Pendule Podcast, on the Paranormal

701
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,079
Peak Show on The Paranormal Peep Show
Minus the Pigs in Part two on the

702
00:55:16,199 --> 00:55:27,800
Paranormal UK Radio Network and Brilliant the
Day The Day by Life the Paranormal UK

703
00:55:28,199 --> 00:55:34,119
Radio Network. Join Andy Ellial every
month on the Paranoral Peep Show part of

704
00:55:34,199 --> 00:55:38,440
the Paranoral UK Radio Network for fun, frolics and lots of information about weird

705
00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:43,880
stuff, UFOs, ghosts and things
that go bump in the night and everything

706
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:51,760
associated with them. Fascinating guests,
fascinating talk, fascinating information. Folks.

707
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:57,320
You're listening to the Paranornal Peep Show
on the Paranormal UK Radio Network with myself,

708
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:04,360
Neil Gettith Award and Craig from Is
It Pendule Paranorsal Radio Show Again,

709
00:56:04,639 --> 00:56:09,119
Paranormal Pendul Podcast Paranormal Pendul Podcast PPPs. Yeah, so mouth wouldn't it?

710
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,719
Did you have trouble coming up with
the name or did it seem just saying

711
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:22,039
oh, call it Pendel podcast.
No, it just it just seemed the

712
00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:27,039
obvious, the obvious name for it
really, to be honest, considering where

713
00:56:27,079 --> 00:56:32,320
I live, what influenced my decision
to do it? And you know he

714
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:37,639
just ppp. It just seemed to
roll off the tongue. Right, Well,

715
00:56:38,039 --> 00:56:43,239
Andy came up with a paranormal peep
show and so we kept that and

716
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,599
then we discovered I think it was
last year, actually late in the summer

717
00:56:45,679 --> 00:56:51,239
last year yesterday, somebody else has
started another paranoral show in America. So

718
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,280
they had about six episodes out before
we found out about it. So we

719
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,800
went and knocked on their door nicely. I think they've had to change their

720
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:00,519
name now, some they have.
I haven't followed it through, so I

721
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:05,559
don't know quite what's happened to that. But the click we've done, we've

722
00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:09,079
done witches, and we've done ghostly
boasters. Maybe we could move on to

723
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:15,840
UFOs and et s. Okay,
what's what's your take on the whole UFO

724
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:22,320
filled and stuff. Um, well, yeah, they definitely exist. Whether

725
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:29,239
some of them are terrestrial is an
all the matter. That obviously is the

726
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:35,480
big question. Um were there coming
from, whether they are from a different

727
00:57:35,519 --> 00:57:42,920
dimension, whether they are whether you
can tie them in with other psnomenas such

728
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:50,920
as as as paranormal phenomena or um
you know, cryptozoology for instan scripted sightings

729
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,559
and that sort of thing, and
or there's a lot of theories that there

730
00:57:53,599 --> 00:58:01,920
are they do crossover then to a
certain degree, Um, they're They're the

731
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:08,880
big questions. Are there little green
men in flying sources? I suspect that

732
00:58:09,039 --> 00:58:14,760
some of the sightings are probably something
along those lines or would be visited by

733
00:58:15,199 --> 00:58:22,559
being some other planets. UM.
Probably yes. But to what extent and

734
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,480
for how long this has been going
on for? I don't know. I

735
00:58:25,639 --> 00:58:34,039
just think there are some cases that
are two UM, convincing, you know,

736
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,840
to be otherwise, to be honest, do you take the position that

737
00:58:37,519 --> 00:58:43,920
it might be from other planets or
we're talking interdimensional? UM? I think

738
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:51,079
that I'm starting to lean towards the
interdimensional argument the more I talked to other

739
00:58:51,159 --> 00:58:55,960
people, UM, and the more
I talked to people on on my podcast,

740
00:58:58,679 --> 00:59:05,800
because I just think the distances that
are involved. Um, if you're

741
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:10,800
traveling just from from ower star system
to the nearest star system, which is

742
00:59:12,719 --> 00:59:15,320
what four and a half lie years
away? Is it Alpha Centauria something like

743
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:20,960
that? Are a star? Um? I mean that as a distance is

744
00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:25,760
just huge anyway. And then when
you start to look at just how big

745
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:30,920
the galaxy is and how many potential
stars there are in the galaxy, you

746
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:37,039
know, you're talking billions and then
you're talking about the number of potential galaxies

747
00:59:37,239 --> 00:59:42,960
that couldn't run to billions. You
know, the distances involved, I mean,

748
00:59:43,039 --> 00:59:47,800
what sort of technology he's going to
be able to cross such huge distances

749
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:54,360
without there being some sort of I
mean I'm no physicist, but you know,

750
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:59,280
without some sort of time dilation or
something like that. But just really

751
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:05,639
because of the the vast distances involved, unless it's it's a race, who

752
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:10,199
are you know, are coming from
a star system that are literally next door

753
01:00:10,239 --> 01:00:16,519
to us in cosmic terms, you
have to start wondering whether these things are

754
01:00:17,239 --> 01:00:23,000
coming through from other dimensions. And
certainly, I mean I've spoke to people,

755
01:00:23,079 --> 01:00:29,079
for instance, about time slips.
You know where you you've basically got

756
01:00:29,199 --> 01:00:37,079
a a slipping time you know it. He's opening a window into a different

757
01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:42,199
time. And to me, that
doesn't seem to be much difference between that

758
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:46,000
sort of phenomena and opening up a
window from a different dimension. It's the

759
01:00:46,079 --> 01:00:52,519
same sort of thing to me,
and so it would seem I think more

760
01:00:52,679 --> 01:01:00,280
likely that these things are coming through
from another dimension rather than traveling huge distances,

761
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:05,800
um you know, across to quote
doctor who you know, across time

762
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:10,280
and space, because that's fits what
they're doing unless they as of technology that

763
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:15,519
come into Yeah, yeah, you
know, if you if you think about

764
01:01:15,639 --> 01:01:22,960
the idea in spiritualism in sciences,
they have reports and I've seen some of

765
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:28,320
these objects, but I can't absolutely
say for certain of these objects are what

766
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,199
they claim to be, but you
know, we'll go along with that provides

767
01:01:30,239 --> 01:01:35,199
over for the sake of the arm
room. But they claim in certain sciances

768
01:01:35,239 --> 01:01:39,199
to have these thing called apples,
which are objects that normally will drop out

769
01:01:39,239 --> 01:01:43,840
of the ceiling in a science room
onto the table or on the floor,

770
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:49,639
and they materialize by the spirits allegedly, and they could be old coins,

771
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:54,000
newspapers, flower petals. I did
meet some people that had been to a

772
01:01:54,119 --> 01:01:58,320
sciance at the time, like the
week before, where they said a glass

773
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,079
of wine had materialized in the science
room and they were sending it off for

774
01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:04,880
analysis, and you know, it
didn't disappear after the things. It actually

775
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:10,480
stayed there permanently. And there's a
place in Oxfordshire where I've been to a

776
01:02:10,559 --> 01:02:15,480
couple of salances and they've got various
objects there that they say is adpults and

777
01:02:15,639 --> 01:02:21,519
things. So if the spirits,
our spirits are deceased, friends if you

778
01:02:21,679 --> 01:02:24,800
like on the other side, have
got some knowledge of moving things through time

779
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:29,760
and space, as you say,
from one location of Earth into another,

780
01:02:30,679 --> 01:02:37,639
literally through the energy in the salence
room or something. Then maybe these other

781
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:43,159
ultraterrestrials, I think they've been referred
to by John Keane and people like him,

782
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:50,280
rather than extraterrestrials, are moving in
similar ways, using similar kind of

783
01:02:51,199 --> 01:02:55,320
forces perhaps to bring themselves here,
except they might sort of encase themselves in

784
01:02:55,400 --> 01:03:00,719
these metal machines for their protection,
because you know, when these apports come

785
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:06,719
through, apparently they're really hot to
touch or something. So maybe these beings

786
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:12,320
are you know, apporting into our
time and space dimensions, and the machines,

787
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,639
the UFOs, the sources if alike, are there to protect them from

788
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:20,519
the heat build up or something like
the entry pointing through our coordinates or something.

789
01:03:20,679 --> 01:03:24,480
You know. Yeah, that's really
interesting because one of them one of

790
01:03:24,519 --> 01:03:30,239
the stories that I got involved in
UM, and this is in the first

791
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:35,639
bookbeller Rots. It's it's with regards
to to Gauss activity, politic Guist activity

792
01:03:35,679 --> 01:03:38,559
in the Bore. It's the same
sort of the thing. There was There

793
01:03:38,639 --> 01:03:47,599
was instance where a um an old
Victorian Penny appeared from um from just how

794
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:52,559
thin air and fell to the ground, fell to the floor um in front

795
01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:57,639
of this particularly gentleman who was who
was telling me about the story, and

796
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,760
he said when he tried to pick
it all, it was absolutely red hot.

797
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,519
He couldn't he couldn't pick you become
touching, it was too hot,

798
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:08,840
and he just had to wait to
leave it for a few minutes where it's

799
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,480
cooled over before he could pick up
and look at it. And he turned

800
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:13,559
it over and looked at it.
He realized that it was you know,

801
01:04:13,719 --> 01:04:15,800
for the dates on the penny and
size of it, and you know,

802
01:04:16,079 --> 01:04:20,840
well what it was made off.
He was obviously an old Victorian um,

803
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:26,199
you know, old Victorian penny.
As he described it, well, it

804
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,639
was exactly the same. It was
too hot to touch and it just literally

805
01:04:29,719 --> 01:04:33,079
fell out of fell out of thin
air. So that's that's quite interesting.

806
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:39,840
Yeah. Another thing so that could
be quite interesting is how although it's a

807
01:04:40,199 --> 01:04:44,119
Victorian penny, did it look new
or did it look old. So it's

808
01:04:44,159 --> 01:04:47,679
a case of was it picked up
from the Victorian era and transported here or

809
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:54,360
was it picked up from a here
and now museum and then transported somewhere he

810
01:04:54,559 --> 01:04:58,639
described it as old, so he
mustn't have looked at it and perceived it

811
01:04:58,719 --> 01:05:03,679
as being old. So, you
know, not transporting through time as such,

812
01:05:05,639 --> 01:05:11,719
or through space or through che makes
you wonder about that newspapers because I

813
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,679
mean, if they're going to get
really hot as well this, you think

814
01:05:14,679 --> 01:05:16,559
they kind of come out a little
bit burned as cloud battles as well.

815
01:05:16,679 --> 01:05:20,239
And that glass of wine might be
a bit bubbly by the time that they

816
01:05:20,559 --> 01:05:25,320
going to sip it U. So
yeah, I mean, there's there seems

817
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,599
to be different methods. I mean, I knew a guy years ago who

818
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:30,559
told me, I mean, we're
going back off the your fo subjects slightly

819
01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:35,159
back into the wounded houses thing.
It all kind of I think one encapsulates

820
01:05:35,159 --> 01:05:40,400
the other a little bit. But
this, this friend of mine who's passed

821
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:44,719
on himself now might add he said
that he lived in London and as a

822
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:46,320
sort of a fifteen year old boy
he played with the Mater was in their

823
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,559
house and there's one particular room they
would they were told not to go in

824
01:05:49,599 --> 01:05:53,199
it. They couldn't play in there. There's no furniture in there, nothing,

825
01:05:53,519 --> 01:05:56,440
They're just told not to play in
there, but of course him and

826
01:05:56,519 --> 01:06:00,119
his friend decided to play in there, and they're the tennis ball. They

827
01:06:00,119 --> 01:06:01,840
were bouncing it off the floor because
there was no carpet. It was great

828
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:05,679
to bounce this tennis ball off the
floor. They hit it and it bounced

829
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:11,880
upwards and just disappeared up to the
ceiling. Any thinking where's it gone?

830
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:15,239
That about? They're thinking, where's
this tennis ball gone? In five minutes

831
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:18,639
later, it dropped out of the
ceiling and bounced on the floor and they

832
01:06:18,719 --> 01:06:21,719
picked it up and it wasn't hot, but he said it was soaking wet,

833
01:06:23,559 --> 01:06:28,639
soaking wet, really mysteriously soaking wet, and they I think they fed

834
01:06:28,679 --> 01:06:31,199
it to someone and they were banned
from that room. And I might be

835
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,840
wrong, but I think someone put
across on the door, but I could

836
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:39,559
be wrong about that. So,
yeah, particular room, there's almost had

837
01:06:39,679 --> 01:06:44,440
like a seance like abilities, this
particular room. So it seems to be

838
01:06:44,519 --> 01:06:49,519
there's hot structures in houses where they're
particularly conducive for this phenomena. So the

839
01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:56,039
box like structure and the Conservative club
maybe you know that serving hatch was conducive

840
01:06:56,079 --> 01:06:59,519
for that phenomen to manifest through that
portal. The man with the hat on

841
01:07:00,239 --> 01:07:03,480
uh and this room in this house
in London, and now people talk about

842
01:07:03,519 --> 01:07:06,760
earth edges and lay lines crossing and
things like that, and it makes me

843
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:12,199
wonder maybe you Conservative Club and other
houses could have been well lay line area.

844
01:07:12,239 --> 01:07:15,920
I don't know. Yeah, absolutely, And I'm glad you mentioned air

845
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:17,840
lines because again this is something that
I've looked into. Now. Interestingly,

846
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:25,039
there is there's a there's a major
lair line which runs through the town of

847
01:07:25,079 --> 01:07:30,519
Acorinton especially it's hasinally built on one
of the major air lines. But I

848
01:07:30,679 --> 01:07:38,199
was looking at some various different maps
of people who had had, you know,

849
01:07:38,639 --> 01:07:45,719
done research over the years into layer
lines, and one quite a few

850
01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:50,119
all pointed to the same thing,
which was where I am here. There

851
01:07:50,199 --> 01:07:56,480
are two major lair lines which cross
at Pendle Hill. So there's one which

852
01:07:56,559 --> 01:08:00,840
runs north to south and that runs
from Castle rig Stall Circle in the Late

853
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:10,599
district and it runs all the way
down south to Beachy Head I believe,

854
01:08:11,199 --> 01:08:15,960
and the other one runs from west
to east or east to west on which

855
01:08:16,039 --> 01:08:21,800
which way can have it? From
the filed cost which is Preston Blackpool,

856
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:27,720
that sort of area where again there's
an awful lot of paranormal activity. And

857
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:32,760
there's some quite interesting activity upon more
Combay as well, which which it relates

858
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:38,800
to triangularly UFOs, which has been
going on for well over an hundred years

859
01:08:39,319 --> 01:08:45,720
going back to there's reports going back
to the late eighteen hundred sixteen nineties were

860
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:49,039
they were seeing strange triangular objects in
the sky. And this was of course

861
01:08:49,159 --> 01:08:58,439
before manned flights, so you know
that these were quite strange things for people

862
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:02,720
to see, and they're obviously documented, you know, and documentary in the

863
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:06,720
local papers at the time. I
wonder what they wonder what they documented them

864
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:11,039
as, because we would know them
as UFOs or some kind of flying vehicle.

865
01:09:11,039 --> 01:09:15,720
I wonder what they would think they
were. They well, they just

866
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:19,920
described them as a strange triangular objects
in the sky. They you know,

867
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:26,960
they didn't have any any concept of
man flight or anything like that. Um.

868
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:30,159
Well, yeah. And then this
particularly layer line, as I say,

869
01:09:30,279 --> 01:09:35,720
it crosses the north south one here
at Pendle Hill, and then it

870
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:44,119
continues across the North Yorkshire mowers and
intersects the course up on the northeast around

871
01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:48,479
the with the area which is not
a million miles away from where a certain

872
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:55,920
mister Paul Sinclair lives and fat you
know, has some quite strange end characters

873
01:09:56,039 --> 01:10:00,399
over the years, so that that
area obviously is quite heavily in the thing

874
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:02,880
by and I've you know, I've
spoken to her about this more than one

875
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:06,520
occasionally. Is are the same opinion
that it's definitely or something to do with

876
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:11,199
it. Um So, yeah,
layer lines are interesting. I think there's

877
01:10:11,199 --> 01:10:18,319
a lot of um, there's a
lot of geology, geological factors involved,

878
01:10:19,159 --> 01:10:26,760
um that tend to draw in these
There are certain hot spots I think of,

879
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:30,399
you know, of paranormal and GIFO
activity, and they tend to run

880
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:36,880
along these layer lines that tend to
be in areas of particular geological features,

881
01:10:39,039 --> 01:10:45,319
whether or not the some sort of
natural magnetic fields being being generated. Um.

882
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:47,279
So I mean, for instance,
Pendle Hill again, i'll you know,

883
01:10:47,399 --> 01:10:51,239
talk about something that's that's local,
but that I know about the reason

884
01:10:51,319 --> 01:10:55,960
why it's there is because it's a
different type of stone to to the to

885
01:10:56,079 --> 01:11:00,600
the store around it. So it's
it's basically sandstone, which is on um

886
01:11:03,319 --> 01:11:10,119
limestone. Now I'm no geologists both, you know, is the some sort

887
01:11:10,159 --> 01:11:15,279
of interaction, is some sort of
natural um phenomena going on, which which

888
01:11:15,399 --> 01:11:18,560
is which is drawing energy in,
which means that we get a lot of

889
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:23,399
UFO sites in this area, we
get a lot of paranormal activity in this

890
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:28,239
area. And again, you know, I've spoken to quite a few different

891
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:33,840
UM researchers in both you know,
the UFO field and the paranormal will field

892
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:38,840
and the cryptos who ald your field
as well. We've all come to the

893
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:44,119
same sort of conclusion that a lot
of these hot spots there are some sort

894
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:46,960
of energy there which is drawing these
phenomena in. But we don't quite understand

895
01:11:47,079 --> 01:11:50,800
exactly what what this energy is and
what's causing it. So it could be

896
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:55,960
like the lay lines are creating where
they cross over, maybe kind of portals

897
01:11:56,079 --> 01:12:00,039
or something. Absolutely and if you
look at you look at the layer lines

898
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:06,800
and you look to see what what
features or you know, have been built

899
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:12,279
on them over the years, or
were they intersect or were they where they

900
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:17,199
cross um you know a lot of
them tend to be on ancient burial sites.

901
01:12:17,279 --> 01:12:20,279
I mean, there's there's a panel
burial site right on the top of

902
01:12:20,359 --> 01:12:26,319
Pendal Hill and you're talking two thousand
feet upuff sea level, So you know

903
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:31,359
why somebody would UM. You can
go to the trouble of taking a body

904
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:33,720
all the way up. I mean, I've worked outside the pendal hill on

905
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:36,920
or steep it is, why why
you would want to take a body all

906
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:40,279
the way up there to bury it
on the top of a hill when you

907
01:12:40,319 --> 01:12:43,760
could bury daring in the valley belown
it will be a lot easier to do.

908
01:12:44,319 --> 01:12:47,800
You know, there's a lot of
these questions as to why why our

909
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:54,039
ancestors built these burial sites or at
point built these these stored circles, and

910
01:12:54,159 --> 01:12:58,960
a lot of them tend to be
built on what we would now identify as

911
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:03,039
layer lines. Now, it's interesting
if you've got to take into the account

912
01:13:03,119 --> 01:13:09,359
of also the movement of the Earth
through the Solar System as well, and

913
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,840
I think that might have something to
do with it, because where we're moving

914
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:17,279
through the galactic coordinates moving around,
because our whole galaxy is turning as well,

915
01:13:18,159 --> 01:13:23,680
so we're continually moving. Earth is
spinning and it's also moving around the

916
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:29,640
Sun. The Sun is moving through
with all the spiral galaxy, and I'm

917
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:34,720
thinking that's possibly a factor in the
all this as well, the fact that

918
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:41,039
we're moving. It does for instance, UFOs or hauntings. I mean,

919
01:13:41,199 --> 01:13:45,600
I was thinking about the idea that
ghosts will come out in Halloween or hallow

920
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:48,960
ZEVI if like around October where they
say the veil of the world's the thinnest,

921
01:13:49,079 --> 01:13:53,560
you know, October thirty feet or
something, And I'm thinking, now,

922
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:56,720
why has that date been set?
Could it be that the Earth has

923
01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:00,800
moved into a certain position around the
Solar system or around the Sun, that

924
01:14:00,079 --> 01:14:04,960
that particular point has been found to
be conducive much more to psychic phenomenal or

925
01:14:05,119 --> 01:14:10,479
sight ins or something, because all
our planets or something, you know,

926
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:14,279
and we're leaning into astrology here,
maybe a little bit that we're in a

927
01:14:14,399 --> 01:14:18,279
right style position or something. Could
the energies have some sort of strange flux

928
01:14:18,359 --> 01:14:25,880
pattern that causes these manifestations to occur
more frequency than others. I mean,

929
01:14:26,199 --> 01:14:30,600
for instance, people that work on
hand radios will find that if they start

930
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:35,359
to do their communications in the evening
is because they can send their signals a

931
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:40,520
lot further because they've got the skip
in the atmosphere. The signals bounced a

932
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:45,239
lot off the atmosphere a lot further
in the evening times, whereas in the

933
01:14:45,359 --> 01:14:46,960
day it's you know, it's a
different kind of thing that you're talking about.

934
01:14:47,359 --> 01:14:51,079
So that's an example how communication would
work. That it seems to be

935
01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:56,000
better in the evenings. And they're
also talking about ghosts come out at night

936
01:14:56,079 --> 01:14:59,520
a lot. Is there something to
do with the evening or the nighttime side

937
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:03,680
of things where this phenomena is much
more active or able to manifest. And

938
01:15:04,119 --> 01:15:11,199
again, if we go into the
physical sales idea that spirits tend to occur

939
01:15:11,399 --> 01:15:15,920
in sciences when they draw the curtains
and everything, they block the daylight out

940
01:15:15,239 --> 01:15:19,399
or they don't have a salance at
night because physical light is damaging to the

941
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:24,880
medium and the phenomena, because it
is like exposing old film infulator in a

942
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:29,680
developing room to daylight. It destroys
the film and it has the same effect

943
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:33,800
on the physical manifests in spirits.
So I'm wondering perhaps that you know that

944
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:38,479
the point of the planet in the
Solar system, water where it is around

945
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:41,760
the Sun at a certain time of
year, might have a factor in so

946
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:45,079
many UFOs appearing like in a month
of May or something like that. I

947
01:15:45,199 --> 01:15:48,119
don't know, I mean, has
anyone come up with any research or aware

948
01:15:48,119 --> 01:15:54,000
of that might pinpoint certain factors?
No, not that I'm aware of in

949
01:15:54,079 --> 01:16:00,199
that respectable certainly when you know,
I mean you mentioned about the that time.

950
01:16:00,239 --> 01:16:04,239
I mean, obviously our natural senses
and excuse me, I'm more highlighted

951
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:10,319
I think at night because it's dark, you know, we have to rely

952
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:15,319
on other senses rather than just eyesight
when you know, when we're out about

953
01:16:15,319 --> 01:16:19,600
it, it's dark if you're a
particularly dark area. And I think from

954
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:26,039
an evolutionary point of view, I
think we've always you know, we've we've

955
01:16:27,159 --> 01:16:32,880
we've evolved to be to have more
of a heightened awareness surround us at night,

956
01:16:33,039 --> 01:16:39,920
because that's when we've probably faced the
most danger. So I think it

957
01:16:40,199 --> 01:16:45,199
may well be that we're able to
pick things up more when it's nighttime simply

958
01:16:45,239 --> 01:16:48,479
because we're more aware of what's going
on around us, and during the day

959
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:54,720
we don't have to be quite as
aware in the same sort of way.

960
01:16:55,119 --> 01:16:58,840
But I certainly think that, I
mean, there are theories about ghosts,

961
01:17:00,279 --> 01:17:04,520
yeah, again coming through from other
dimensions, So a ghosts may not necessarily

962
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:11,640
be the room. You know what, what stays behind when somebody dies,

963
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:15,560
the energy that stays behind when somebody
dies, it's more an energy that's coming

964
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:23,399
through from another dimension or from another
time. Like a time slip, but

965
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:29,720
it's not fully manifesting itself. It's
not fully forming, so that you see

966
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,680
that person fully formed, as you
know, I'm looking at you now and

967
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:40,159
you're looking at me. Because it's
not coming through fully, you're only seeing

968
01:17:40,319 --> 01:17:44,439
part of it. So you're seeing, you know, your classic sort of

969
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:51,000
ghosts that he's sort of semi translucently
you can see through, you can see

970
01:17:51,039 --> 01:17:56,119
what's going on behind it, and
it's that filmy sort of shape that is,

971
01:17:56,399 --> 01:18:00,680
you know, part of the energy
of whatever this this bees coming through

972
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:08,000
from its plane of existence in two
hours, but only coming through you know,

973
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:13,680
twenty percent of it's coming through,
so you're only seeing a little bit

974
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:18,359
of its true form. So I
think that's an interesting theory. Another theory

975
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:26,119
that I have is that actually,
when you see a ghost, it is

976
01:18:26,279 --> 01:18:31,760
somebody who is dreaming. So it's
actually so when you're dreaming, when you

977
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:38,319
have a very vivid dream and you're
interacting interacting with somebody in your dream,

978
01:18:39,239 --> 01:18:45,279
you are actually interacting with somebody as
a ghost. Now, I think that's

979
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:57,760
a really interesting theory. Needs one
that somebody mentioned to me off recording when

980
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:02,840
I was doing a an episode of
the podcasts, and I've since gone away

981
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:09,279
and done a bit of research and
tried to find any research that's been done

982
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:16,399
into this idea that when you dream, it's actually your physical it's your soul

983
01:19:17,199 --> 01:19:21,000
that is moving out to your body
and going off to somewhere out the strull

984
01:19:21,079 --> 01:19:29,880
traveling. I was out vested as
as as an entity to people who are

985
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:34,159
awake, and I think that I
found that really really interesting. Well,

986
01:19:34,279 --> 01:19:39,680
there's a story a little bit perplexed
as well, A little bit Yeah,

987
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:43,800
there is a story that was related
to me by an ex work colleague of

988
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:46,760
mine a couple of years back.
I hadn't seen her for Donkey's years,

989
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:51,279
and basically she heard that I did
video and edited and stuff, and she

990
01:19:51,359 --> 01:19:56,319
wondered if I had filmed her seventieth
birthday party. So she got back in

991
01:19:56,399 --> 01:20:00,319
contact me. I basically said yeah, sure, So went around to her

992
01:20:00,359 --> 01:20:02,840
place to discuss the details of where
it all was and you know, put

993
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:08,239
together a plan basically, and started
talking about ghosts or something for some reason

994
01:20:08,279 --> 01:20:10,520
I can't remember why, and she
said, a wife seen a ghost and

995
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:12,960
said app you and she goes.
I said, tell me what you're Saul,

996
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:15,920
and she said, well, she
was about eighteen at the time.

997
01:20:15,079 --> 01:20:19,000
She got on holiday, I think, to Devon with her family, and

998
01:20:19,199 --> 01:20:23,760
she stayed in this particular small room
in this cottage, and it had a

999
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:27,079
tiny little window at the end where
she could see the sea just outside the

1000
01:20:27,159 --> 01:20:30,920
window. And she said she woke
up in the night and she saw this

1001
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:34,840
old woman sitting in the chair right
next to the bed. But she said

1002
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:41,079
the old woman appeared to be asleep
like like that, And she also said

1003
01:20:41,119 --> 01:20:45,880
that she thought the woman looked remarkably
like her grandmother, which was a bit

1004
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:48,000
strange, she thought. Anyway,
she got quite frightened of it, obviously,

1005
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:51,319
because she could see this ghostly woman
sitting in the chair next to her

1006
01:20:51,359 --> 01:20:55,000
bed. So she put her head
under the covers and turned over, and

1007
01:20:55,079 --> 01:20:59,039
then eventually she fell asleep. Anyway, she woke up a few hours later,

1008
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:02,119
and she said she could see out
the window. It's just getting light

1009
01:21:02,319 --> 01:21:06,359
now, and she could see that
the sea a bit clearer through this window.

1010
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:14,479
And then she remembered about this ghostly
woman, and so she tentatively peered

1011
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:17,000
over the blankets and had looked across
to see where she had seen her,

1012
01:21:17,359 --> 01:21:21,239
and she was still bladdy there.
This woman still there, and she said

1013
01:21:21,279 --> 01:21:25,520
this time her head was back white
back, yeah, like looking upwards,

1014
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:30,199
but still asleep. And she says
she watched her she slowly kind of dis

1015
01:21:30,279 --> 01:21:33,239
dissolved into nothingness in front of her, and she, you know, she

1016
01:21:33,359 --> 01:21:35,520
told her family the next day,
and they were all a bit sort of

1017
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:39,439
freaked out by her, suppose,
and you know, she said that it

1018
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:42,800
did look like her grandmother owned she
was a bit confused by it. So

1019
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:46,159
I can't have thought about this.
I thought, well, maybe maybe the

1020
01:21:46,239 --> 01:21:50,680
grandmother, like you say, was
dreaming of the family, or maybe subconsciously

1021
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:55,079
concerned about her family because they'd gone
away on holiday and she was wondering how

1022
01:21:55,119 --> 01:21:57,920
they would get her on maybe,
or maybe concerned they're okay. You know,

1023
01:21:58,039 --> 01:22:00,800
this is the days before we had
mobile phone and things, you know,

1024
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:04,239
and so she probably wouldn't hear anything
from them for a few days until

1025
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:10,399
maybe she got a postcard through,
you know. And so so I wondered

1026
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:15,039
if if the grandmother had gone asleep, maybe dreamt of the family, worried

1027
01:22:15,039 --> 01:22:18,399
about whatever, but gone out of
her body, gone to her granddaughter Joan

1028
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:23,359
in this case, and ended up
sitting in the chair next to her.

1029
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:28,760
But she was still asleep in her
mind, and so that the specter of

1030
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:32,439
this astral self was still asleep.
But she stayed like a guardian perhaps like

1031
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,439
right next to her the whole night, and as only as the daylight came,

1032
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:41,159
where maybe these things that the light
is not conducive for these manifestations as

1033
01:22:41,359 --> 01:22:45,000
I don't know, but she started
to dissolve, and maybe because it was

1034
01:22:45,039 --> 01:22:47,920
becoming daylight that the physical granny,
if you like, the starting to perhaps

1035
01:22:48,079 --> 01:22:53,119
wake up herself, and so that
part had to go back to the body.

1036
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:56,439
Was it was it the case that
this lady was still alive when they

1037
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,359
checked afterwards, Yeah, she was
still alive. I mean, she hadn't

1038
01:22:59,359 --> 01:23:00,640
said, oh she died while she
was on holiday, but she said,

1039
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:04,039
you know, her granny was alive
and well, and she just remarked that

1040
01:23:04,119 --> 01:23:08,680
this specter looked like her granny.
Now there's another story I can tell you

1041
01:23:09,039 --> 01:23:15,000
which again supports this idea a little
bit. Now this is it concerns my

1042
01:23:15,119 --> 01:23:16,880
mum. I've said this a few
times here on the Paranol peep Show,

1043
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:19,760
but for people that haven't heard this
before, it's quite an interesting story.

1044
01:23:20,079 --> 01:23:25,000
Concerns my mum and my brother.
Now, my mom passed away suddenly in

1045
01:23:25,079 --> 01:23:29,079
two thousand and sixty. I was
there at the house at the time,

1046
01:23:29,279 --> 01:23:33,520
and I was actually editing a video
in the spare bedroom, and so it's

1047
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:41,960
an unexpected death. She died suddenly, and anyway, so obviously, you

1048
01:23:42,039 --> 01:23:44,960
know, we have a funeral and
everything like that. And it was only

1049
01:23:45,039 --> 01:23:47,079
when me and my brother got talking
maybe a few weeks later, that he

1050
01:23:47,239 --> 01:23:51,159
said that he had been staying at
the house maybe three weeks before my mum

1051
01:23:51,199 --> 01:23:56,199
had actually died, and he was
sleeping in the spare bedroom and he said

1052
01:23:56,239 --> 01:23:59,840
that he suddenly woke up and saw
my mum, as a young girl,

1053
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:05,199
maybe in her twenties or thirties,
coming through the wall, skipping, holding

1054
01:24:05,239 --> 01:24:08,960
her dress out, and he said
it was like a silent movie, and

1055
01:24:09,039 --> 01:24:12,920
she was smiling, skipping, and
she came through the bedroom and she just

1056
01:24:13,159 --> 01:24:16,920
vanished through the window basically, and
he thought, the bloody ELL's going on

1057
01:24:17,039 --> 01:24:20,319
this thing, because my brother's quite
psychic, he does see things, and

1058
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:24,399
he just sort of what the bloody
els at and he kind of thought,

1059
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:26,920
well, that was mum, But
as she was all those years ago,

1060
01:24:27,079 --> 01:24:30,840
what's going on. I don't record
him ever saying that he actually said anythink

1061
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:36,840
to her. But I wondered in
hindsight whether whether my mum was testing out

1062
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:42,680
her wings, so to speak,
before she then made her final journey to

1063
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:45,560
the spirit world some three weeks later, you know, And this was like

1064
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:49,000
her practicing her out of body experiences. Maybe it's a sign for my brother

1065
01:24:49,079 --> 01:24:51,720
as well, to say, you
know, it's going to happen soon.

1066
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:55,199
This is a sign or something like
that, you know. I don't know.

1067
01:24:55,399 --> 01:24:58,760
But again she was still alive and
well at that point, and yet

1068
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:01,840
she was cited as a spec So
and I do know that there is the

1069
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:08,439
Societist psychical research has a number of
accounts of people that have cited speccis or

1070
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:10,720
ghosts. So what do you want
to call them? Of the livid?

1071
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:13,479
Yeah, you know, they're thousands
of miles away, and yet they've seen

1072
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:15,359
a ghost or sonzo in their living
room or something. Yeah, yeah,

1073
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:19,640
that's right. Yeah yeah, So
so yeah, it's um, it's a

1074
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:29,000
rather interesting theory, I think.
M Yeah, So with that, I

1075
01:25:29,039 --> 01:25:32,000
suppose you could you could account for
many more ghost sightings than that we put

1076
01:25:32,079 --> 01:25:35,520
down just to being dead people,
but in fact very much alive people.

1077
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:41,680
Now I heard on a podcast recently, some people who are discussing the American

1078
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:46,720
Civil War in this medium apparently somehow
managed to she saw a ghost or a

1079
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:51,920
spirit of someone from the Civil War
times in America, a soldier in the

1080
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:59,079
Civil War, and somehow she managed
to communicate with I understand, but the

1081
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:05,640
Civil War ghost will spirit said to
them that he could see the medium than

1082
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:10,760
to him, she looked like the
ghost, which is a weird thing.

1083
01:26:11,079 --> 01:26:15,359
So it's almost like either there are
two time zones appearing at each other through

1084
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:20,399
some hole in reality or something or
official reality, yeah, or the ghost

1085
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:25,239
is stuck on his plane or something
and he can't quite understand where he is.

1086
01:26:25,319 --> 01:26:27,359
I don't know. There's lots of
theories to that, but I kind

1087
01:26:27,399 --> 01:26:30,960
of like the idea of simultaneous time
and everything occurring at once as well.

1088
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:34,840
Yeah, there's the famous Roman Ghosts
of York as well, which comes to

1089
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:40,960
mind on that one because that was
done by the plumber guy Harry Martindale,

1090
01:26:41,039 --> 01:26:45,359
who was an apprentice plumber, and
as he was working on these pipes and

1091
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:50,279
things in the basement celler of this
house in York, he heard a horn

1092
01:26:50,399 --> 01:26:54,800
blow in and he can work out
where the war noise was coming from Eventually

1093
01:26:55,159 --> 01:26:58,319
it got louder and louder and louder. And he looked below him, because

1094
01:26:58,319 --> 01:27:00,640
he was up a ladder, and
he saw these Roman marching through the wall,

1095
01:27:01,079 --> 01:27:04,920
and he fell off the ladder and
scurried into the corner of the cellar

1096
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:09,880
where he was, and he said, these Romans appeared to be muddied faces,

1097
01:27:10,119 --> 01:27:13,800
the you know, the growths on, you know, like they're growing

1098
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,479
beards and things like that. And
they took no notes of him, they

1099
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:19,319
didn't even acknowledge him, but they
seemed to be speaking in anguage that he

1100
01:27:19,359 --> 01:27:24,359
didn't understand. He could actually hear
them as well. But these ghosts were

1101
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:29,079
sighted some years later, and they
appeared to be the same ghost but they

1102
01:27:29,119 --> 01:27:32,319
were doing slightly different actions. This
time. They were all asleep on horses,

1103
01:27:32,359 --> 01:27:36,159
and the horses were marching them back
to the presumably the base where they

1104
01:27:36,239 --> 01:27:39,840
go, you know, the fot
or something, the Roman four. But

1105
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:42,560
they're also tired. They're all asleep
on their horses, and the horses have

1106
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:45,560
just taken a mack. And that's
how they were cited by a different person.

1107
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:48,159
But again they were covered in MUDs. And I wonder there's in fact

1108
01:27:48,199 --> 01:27:54,479
that they're peering through time because they're
not seeing a recording like the stone tape

1109
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:57,159
recording. Yeah, yeah, where
don't they wear? It's just a recording

1110
01:27:57,239 --> 01:28:00,960
being replayed and played and blaby and
this we were doing different act so the

1111
01:28:00,119 --> 01:28:03,960
lady were seeing a different episode,
but maybe the same characters or even a

1112
01:28:04,079 --> 01:28:09,319
different set of romans, maybe from
a few years later. So sort of

1113
01:28:09,359 --> 01:28:12,000
like a time slip bot or something
like that. Yeah, like a time

1114
01:28:12,039 --> 01:28:15,359
slip because the interest of the Harry
Martindale was working in the cell in the

1115
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:20,359
cold November months, and so you
think that if those romans were covered in

1116
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:25,479
mud, it suggests that they were
in their month of maybe November, or

1117
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:29,239
in a winter time at least to
be having mud on the ground, maybe

1118
01:28:29,279 --> 01:28:31,680
the rain and stuff like that.
And again they were covered in mud when

1119
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:36,840
these ghosts were sighted seven years later
in the January I think in nineteen fifty

1120
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:41,439
seven by the housekeeper on this occasion, but again they were covered in mud

1121
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:45,840
but asleep on their horses. So
it's each time that they were sighted in

1122
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:49,560
their winter time from the corresponding winter
time of the nineteen fifties, when these

1123
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:55,479
two different people, Harry Martindale and
the housekeeper has seen these spirits or ghosts.

1124
01:28:56,159 --> 01:29:00,560
So I think that there are literally
wholes through time or something they're peering

1125
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:06,439
to a simultaneous broadcast from Roman times. The Romans may even see people from

1126
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:10,760
our future. I mean, it
could be that when they're seeing these UFOs,

1127
01:29:11,399 --> 01:29:15,399
they could be visitors from our future
that appearing from their point of view

1128
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:19,840
in time back to us or something. Yeah, it's a definite possibility that

1129
01:29:20,119 --> 01:29:26,479
we're seen forward into time and they're
seen backward into time. Another fact,

1130
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:29,439
of course, is whether the ghosts, you know, it's quite a broad

1131
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:33,640
term, goes whether they're consciously aware
of the person that's viewing them, or

1132
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:40,520
whether they're in their own little world, which would kind of maybe kind of

1133
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:44,239
signified that they might be kind of
like a playback the stone tape theory,

1134
01:29:44,399 --> 01:29:47,159
like a literally not really a conscious
thing, but you're you're viewing a video.

1135
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:50,600
But when they're kind of like looking
back at you and make a conscious

1136
01:29:51,039 --> 01:29:55,520
effort to kind of communicate, then
we might be talking about something different.

1137
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:59,479
So that the category of ghosts can
kind of split, can't it into two?

1138
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:02,560
Yeah? Yeah, I mean I've
i've I've I've come across stories of

1139
01:30:03,159 --> 01:30:08,479
all the different types of of you
know, goals that that I'm aware of.

1140
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:13,279
So I've come across stories of of
replays, you know. So the

1141
01:30:13,359 --> 01:30:17,640
storm tape theory UM particularly interesting one
that's in the first book of a school

1142
01:30:18,119 --> 01:30:26,600
UM in uh Tagle Darwin, which
is which is close to to Blackman UM.

1143
01:30:27,039 --> 01:30:30,520
And this this was very much attached
to the place rather than the building.

1144
01:30:31,159 --> 01:30:36,439
So it was it was what had
been there before UM that was was

1145
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:43,359
influenced in this uh, this loop
basically of of of this woman that was

1146
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:46,039
being seen. UM. There was
no interaction whatsoever. And it was just

1147
01:30:46,199 --> 01:30:49,680
literally a loop that was being seen
over and over and over again in this

1148
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:57,239
same place. UM. And then
of course as the poltingeist Um phenomena which

1149
01:30:58,119 --> 01:31:01,039
m my wife's family there, as
I said earlier on they lived in a

1150
01:31:01,079 --> 01:31:05,359
farm, I said, a poltgonist
or certainly a ghost who was very much

1151
01:31:05,359 --> 01:31:11,159
aware of what and and the pretty
sure he was a heat um of what

1152
01:31:11,359 --> 01:31:15,840
he was doing, because he was
he was interacting UM. And he was

1153
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:19,960
reacting to them as well, which
was quite interesting. So not only was

1154
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:27,359
he moving things around and he was
he levitated a glass that was half full

1155
01:31:27,359 --> 01:31:32,720
of whiskey had just been poured on
the sideboard and they actually levitated that across

1156
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:39,279
the room in front of my wife's
grandparents who was staying at the farm at

1157
01:31:39,319 --> 01:31:45,399
the time. But he would react
to um, my sister in law,

1158
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:50,800
so then my wife's younger sister,
because he always used to They used to

1159
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:55,880
hear him moving about to night,
banging, banging, and stomping his feet

1160
01:31:55,880 --> 01:32:01,880
around at night in the hallway upstairs. And he would always stop outside my

1161
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:08,319
sister in law's bedroom and bang on
the door that she would shout to him

1162
01:32:09,279 --> 01:32:15,640
to go away in in you know, not so many and he would he

1163
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:18,560
would go away and stop, so
I thought, so he was very much

1164
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:24,880
reacting, you know, acting acting
and reacting um in a different way to

1165
01:32:25,039 --> 01:32:28,000
just a sort of replay, you
know. And and again, you know,

1166
01:32:28,359 --> 01:32:31,600
I support to people for who There
are other stories in the book as

1167
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:34,880
well. I mean, there's there's
one the very interesting one of the lady

1168
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:40,039
who moved into a house with her
daughter, her very young daughter who used

1169
01:32:40,159 --> 01:32:45,479
who said that she used to play
with a little boy. Um, but

1170
01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:51,520
this little boy had no legs and
when when she she finally saw this this

1171
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:55,479
little boy because because her daughter had
been talking about him for a couple of

1172
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:58,600
years and she'd never she'd heard him, she'd never seen him. Bo When

1173
01:32:58,640 --> 01:33:03,640
she finally saw him, it was
almost as if he was stood in the

1174
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:09,239
room, but the floor level have
changed over the years, so he was

1175
01:33:09,319 --> 01:33:13,840
stood on a lower floor level as
there far. They could only see the

1176
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:16,399
top half of his legs for his
sort of knees awards in effect. And

1177
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:20,960
that's why her daughter had thought that
that he didn't have any legs. So

1178
01:33:21,159 --> 01:33:26,399
it's you know, that's interesting in
and you know, she said that he

1179
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:31,359
used to react. Again, they
could hear him whistling and singing and all

1180
01:33:31,399 --> 01:33:35,840
sorts of stuff. So that,
again, I think, so a very

1181
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:42,199
interesting type of of hometon as well. You know, do you have any

1182
01:33:42,239 --> 01:33:45,600
accounts of modern ghosts like people that
have died, say in the last twenty

1183
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:54,000
or thirty years, where people have
been seen Um, No, I haven't

1184
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:59,039
to be quiet on this with you, No, I can't. I can't

1185
01:33:59,079 --> 01:34:01,840
think of one off the top of
my head. A lot of them do

1186
01:34:02,079 --> 01:34:11,279
tend to be um sightings of ghosts
that that are obviously from from quite a

1187
01:34:11,399 --> 01:34:17,079
while Atoor because of Bear the dressed. Yeah, so for instance, Um,

1188
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:25,279
there's there's an account of again this
was at the school. Um.

1189
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:30,600
There are a number of ghosts in
that area. Um. And then one

1190
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:34,159
of them was a little boy who
used to us to see him, well,

1191
01:34:34,199 --> 01:34:36,600
he used to hear him, but
they alsously he also used to see

1192
01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:42,640
him running around in the school.
But he was quite clearly dressed in what

1193
01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:48,159
used to describe as Victorian rags,
so of you know, from from that

1194
01:34:48,399 --> 01:34:55,479
sort of period, um, but
very dirty ragged claws, you know,

1195
01:34:57,359 --> 01:35:04,119
and you know, sort of sightings
stories that I've I've picked up from um,

1196
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:09,760
the area that I live in now
around here again that they tend to

1197
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:18,960
be ghosts that addressed in older cloths, not modern clothes. I can't I

1198
01:35:19,039 --> 01:35:23,720
can't really think unfortunately, of any
of any stories that I've heard. Was

1199
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:27,760
it is that I heard one a
couple of years ago. And this this

1200
01:35:28,039 --> 01:35:31,600
this hairdresser girl came came to the
house here with my girlfriend lives and I

1201
01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:35,880
literally was about to start writing my
book, and I was was he fishing

1202
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:39,319
for ghost stories? And I thought, oh, hairdressers, they get to

1203
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:42,000
chat to lots of people, but
they pick up a few titles here and

1204
01:35:42,039 --> 01:35:45,680
there. And this hairdresser girl.
I said, oh, was anyone ever

1205
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:48,319
mentioned ghosts to you? And you
know that you've cut their hair and they're

1206
01:35:48,359 --> 01:35:50,680
telling the ghost stories. And she
goes, I've seen one, actually,

1207
01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:53,960
I said, all really, She
goes, yea, I was living in

1208
01:35:54,039 --> 01:35:58,680
this house down this particular road here
in Weymouth on the southwest coast, and

1209
01:35:59,199 --> 01:36:01,199
she said she was. She was
laying on the bed with her door,

1210
01:36:01,359 --> 01:36:04,600
like putting her door to bed or
something, and she said she suddenly saw

1211
01:36:05,399 --> 01:36:09,479
rising up out of the floor right
next to the bed, literally coming out

1212
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:13,439
of the floor, this guy who
had like a bit of nostoche on him,

1213
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:15,720
and he appeared to be wearing like
a T shirt and something like a

1214
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:19,680
modern day hoodie, and he appeared
to be sort of coming out of the

1215
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:23,680
floor and I don't know if he
was looking at me, sort of went

1216
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:29,079
up until backwards, floated backwards as
and she just shit a brick. Basically,

1217
01:36:29,159 --> 01:36:32,359
she grabbed her child, ran to
the end of the bed, literally

1218
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:35,880
jumped off the bed, ran out
the room. She phoned her dad saying,

1219
01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:38,880
you've got to come and the f
and get me now, because we've

1220
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:43,680
just seen this ghost or something in
the house. And she said that he

1221
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:46,279
looked like a young man, maybe
in his early thirties, and she had

1222
01:36:46,359 --> 01:36:50,319
heard that someone had died in the
house of a drug overdose in the previous

1223
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:56,000
years, so we kind of wondered
whether maybe that was something to do with

1224
01:36:56,119 --> 01:37:00,279
him. But he was a modern
day spirit, like a modern day he

1225
01:37:00,319 --> 01:37:03,600
had died literally maybe within the last
ten years or something, you know,

1226
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:08,000
corn to what she described who he's
the T shirt, you know it.

1227
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:13,079
And it was in the bedroom of
prisumably that he had died where she had

1228
01:37:13,079 --> 01:37:15,800
seen him. So maybe he had
become trapped all that was his energy.

1229
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:17,800
I don't know, but it was
at that point where they were starting to

1230
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:24,199
relax and you know, fall into
a general slumber that this presence became known

1231
01:37:24,319 --> 01:37:27,520
to them or something. I don't
think she lives there now, so I

1232
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:30,960
don't think she'd probably want to go
back there. But yeah, there must

1233
01:37:30,039 --> 01:37:34,359
be more, I mean more,
yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're the

1234
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:38,399
creating ghosts all the time. You
got to be well, this is it.

1235
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:41,920
Yeah, it's like an infinite process. Yeah. Yeah. And I

1236
01:37:42,119 --> 01:37:46,399
wonder whether one of the reasons why
we don't say, um modern gorse if

1237
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:53,279
you like so. Also, people
who have just bass recently and addressed in

1238
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:59,680
that sort of attire is because maybe
the longer the here, the stronger than

1239
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:04,680
ender it becomes, and so and
so we see them more because they've been

1240
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:12,439
here longer. It's sort of like
a cumulative effect of the energy that they

1241
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:15,439
need to be able to project themselves. Doesn't sort of become mature, if

1242
01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:20,399
you like, until they've been dead
for a while. Again, it's it's

1243
01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:26,479
a bit of a strange um theory, but he could explain why we don't

1244
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:32,399
see many modern dressed ghosts. They
all tend to be, you know,

1245
01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:40,399
dressed in older period clothing for some
reason. M I'm going to throw a

1246
01:38:40,479 --> 01:38:42,760
spanner in the works. I think
when I die, if I if I

1247
01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:45,239
know when I'm going to die,
you know, I've been given some terminal

1248
01:38:45,319 --> 01:38:47,399
illness and a date. I'm going
to make sure that when I'm in the

1249
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:55,199
hospice or whatever, I'm going to
dress up in medieval clothes when I die,

1250
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:59,000
and I'll be seeing walk in their
grounds. It completely screw up their

1251
01:38:59,079 --> 01:39:02,079
theory about it. He was born
in wearing medieval clothes that, oh my

1252
01:39:02,199 --> 01:39:06,119
god, that doesn't sort of tally
up. They build these reenatment people,

1253
01:39:06,239 --> 01:39:11,199
you know, that don't probably die
on their pretend mattel fields as well,

1254
01:39:12,359 --> 01:39:14,920
because I mean, this is the
thing you know that we you know,

1255
01:39:15,119 --> 01:39:18,920
humanity has been around for so long
now that we must have bucket loads of

1256
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:24,000
ghosts kicking about, you know,
every century, every year must be producing

1257
01:39:24,119 --> 01:39:27,720
that, and it's like a natural
phenomena. Whatever this thing of ghosts is,

1258
01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:30,319
it seems to be a mixture of
different things, you know, one

1259
01:39:30,640 --> 01:39:35,439
one kind of thing doesn't fit all
the descriptions or the things. Some seem

1260
01:39:35,479 --> 01:39:42,520
to be time slips. Some appear
to be repeat actions in time like a

1261
01:39:43,319 --> 01:39:47,520
recording, if you like. Others
seem to be direct communications with spirits at

1262
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:50,039
trapped here on the earth, you
know. So they all seem to have

1263
01:39:50,279 --> 01:39:56,520
different kind of mechanisms are filling to
produce a very similar phenomena, but we

1264
01:39:57,319 --> 01:39:59,920
kind of tire them all with the
same rush. But I think they're actually

1265
01:40:00,079 --> 01:40:04,520
quite different phenomena. Um. So, have you seen ghosts yourself, Craig

1266
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:08,680
come to you know, I mean
you've obviously had people in your family experiences

1267
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:12,880
things. Have you actually seen any
ghost yourself, um, well, apart

1268
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:15,119
from the from the shadow Man,
Yeah, yeah, I mean I have

1269
01:40:15,319 --> 01:40:23,960
seen what you would call poltergeist activity. I've been, I've been in the

1270
01:40:24,319 --> 01:40:31,439
in the vicinity of poltergeist activity happening. UM. One really interesting thing actually

1271
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:36,079
is has been going on UM.
And this is a story that's evolving all

1272
01:40:36,119 --> 01:40:43,239
the time. And it's one that
I've mentioned over the last few UM guests

1273
01:40:43,640 --> 01:40:48,439
spots that have had on various different
people's podcasts. So UM it's sort of

1274
01:40:48,760 --> 01:40:51,880
moved along the live plebit. If
anybody's listening to any of the other interviews,

1275
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:58,920
it's it seems to be moving along. For those that have heard the

1276
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:03,960
story, they'll they'll they'll remember that
I mentioned that about ten years ago we

1277
01:41:04,439 --> 01:41:09,680
bought a piano, but obviously it
was a bit more than I was about

1278
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:14,239
twelve years ago. Name and it
was because about my ast a very musical

1279
01:41:14,279 --> 01:41:18,159
family. She is a very musical
salve. She plays the piano, she

1280
01:41:18,319 --> 01:41:26,800
plays the cello, she sings.
Her parents were in professional were both professional

1281
01:41:27,119 --> 01:41:33,680
musicians, so she comes from a
very musical background. And we bought this

1282
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:36,880
piano. It wasn't particularly expensive,
you know, I mean, we're I'm

1283
01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:42,600
talking an awful lot of money.
It was a secondhand piano. We bought

1284
01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:46,000
it from a piano shop actually there's
a shopping club or that sells pianos,

1285
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:50,319
and I went back to talk to
the guy about this piano a few years

1286
01:41:50,439 --> 01:41:53,840
after we've got it. And then
you'll understand why when I when I tell

1287
01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:58,960
you the story, I did quite
a bit of research on it when we

1288
01:41:59,039 --> 01:42:02,000
first bought it, and we had
it professionally tuned, and the guy that

1289
01:42:02,079 --> 01:42:05,239
came around to tune it when he
when he opened the top, it's it's

1290
01:42:05,239 --> 01:42:09,640
not all right piano. It's not
not another grand piano anything like that.

1291
01:42:11,439 --> 01:42:16,039
But it was built in made sorry
in nineteen o eight in Leipe's sake,

1292
01:42:16,159 --> 01:42:24,960
in Germany by a company called Bluthner. I contacted Bluthner and they gave me

1293
01:42:25,039 --> 01:42:30,199
a history of who they sold it
to, the retailer that they sold it

1294
01:42:30,319 --> 01:42:39,600
to in Manchester in nineteen eleven,
and then who it was sold to who

1295
01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:42,039
bought it from there, And it
turned out it had been in the same

1296
01:42:42,159 --> 01:42:48,039
family form wel an awful long time
from from when it was bought back in

1297
01:42:48,159 --> 01:42:55,760
the back in the pre war up
until the point were this shop that we

1298
01:42:55,920 --> 01:43:00,560
bought it from. He bought it
in a house clear and so it had

1299
01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:04,840
been in the same family for that
for that whole period. M we started

1300
01:43:04,920 --> 01:43:12,680
to have some quite bad luck when
we bought this piano. My wife had

1301
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:16,880
some problems with a job. We
we just we just went through a really

1302
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:24,119
difficult period and I started to think
that there was something to do with this

1303
01:43:24,239 --> 01:43:30,840
piano. I always felt that there
was something attached to this piano. And

1304
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:36,279
as as we know, you can
have you know, various types of spirits

1305
01:43:36,479 --> 01:43:41,760
or entity is attached to objects,
and the classic ones are haunted dolls.

1306
01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:47,239
You know people you know that dolls
specifically because of obviously the luck you know

1307
01:43:47,359 --> 01:43:54,359
they luck human UM. But I
know of stories of spirits being attached to

1308
01:43:54,439 --> 01:43:58,359
other objects, UM. And as
I say, in this particular case,

1309
01:43:58,439 --> 01:44:00,960
I felt that there was something attached. It's piano. Pianos in the dining

1310
01:44:01,039 --> 01:44:03,720
room, which is a room that
we're all going very often, but it's

1311
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:09,279
always freezing cold in there, even
in the middle of summer. And this

1312
01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:12,920
isn't this isn't something that we used
to experience before we got the piano.

1313
01:44:13,039 --> 01:44:18,840
So there's definitely something which is coming
from it now. We um. We

1314
01:44:19,079 --> 01:44:27,119
both both myself and my wife started
to experience really strange things like sort of

1315
01:44:27,199 --> 01:44:30,840
smells for instance, really strange smells. The smell that I used to get

1316
01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:36,239
was was really heavy perfume. But
the only way that I can describe it

1317
01:44:36,560 --> 01:44:41,359
is it's like the sort of stuff
that your granny would have warned, So,

1318
01:44:42,159 --> 01:44:47,640
you know, that really heavy floral, overpowering perfume that old ladies tend

1319
01:44:47,720 --> 01:44:56,920
to were. I started smelling that
randomly around the house, which was quite

1320
01:44:57,000 --> 01:45:00,119
strange because again before we got the
piano, you know, I never had

1321
01:45:00,279 --> 01:45:05,239
never had that at all. We
started seeing shadows. We've both started seeing

1322
01:45:05,279 --> 01:45:11,600
shadows in especially the lounge. UM. We would see out the core of

1323
01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:16,239
our eye, these shadows moving about. UM. We would be noisies,

1324
01:45:16,359 --> 01:45:21,399
there be doors both then and clausing
you sort of classic sort of haunting type

1325
01:45:21,560 --> 01:45:26,319
stuff. UM. And there did
you find out if there was a lady

1326
01:45:26,399 --> 01:45:31,560
connected to the piano or who it
might have been? UM? I found

1327
01:45:31,680 --> 01:45:39,760
out from the um from the manufacturer
that it had been who who it had

1328
01:45:39,800 --> 01:45:43,199
been sold too, But they only
gave me that They said it was a

1329
01:45:43,279 --> 01:45:47,560
family who lived at Haslingdon has landed
the town on the north side of Well.

1330
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:53,479
He sets north of Manchester basically,
but he's heading towards Manchester. Son

1331
01:45:53,640 --> 01:45:57,600
from where I live. Um,
it's in the Rosendale Valley, which strangling

1332
01:45:57,680 --> 01:46:00,119
us got a lot of r F
activity in him. That's that's different or

1333
01:46:00,840 --> 01:46:03,359
um. But now they only said
that he had been sold to a family

1334
01:46:03,399 --> 01:46:06,760
in Haslingdon. And they knew that
it had stayed in this family because they

1335
01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:11,960
had um serviced it. They've gone
out and tuned it up. They had

1336
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:16,159
their own tuners from from that particular
company, because they had had an office,

1337
01:46:16,239 --> 01:46:19,159
they have an office in London,
because I contacted them in London,

1338
01:46:19,760 --> 01:46:25,159
gave them serial number of the piano
and everything else. So although they didn't

1339
01:46:25,439 --> 01:46:29,640
give me, they didn't for instance, say yes it was sold to a

1340
01:46:29,720 --> 01:46:31,720
lady, or yes it was sold
to a gentleman you know called mister Smith

1341
01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:34,880
or or missus Smith or or whatever. They said. It had been in

1342
01:46:34,960 --> 01:46:41,920
the same family for you know all
that all that time for about eighty years,

1343
01:46:42,039 --> 01:46:46,199
so it had obviously been passed down
through the family. UM. So

1344
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:53,039
the weirdest thing that happened happened about
twelve months ago. UM. And and

1345
01:46:53,159 --> 01:46:57,000
this this was during the daytime.
It wasn't wasn't anything that they're like that,

1346
01:46:58,159 --> 01:47:03,079
UM. And we have a we
have two two doors we have an

1347
01:47:03,079 --> 01:47:05,800
outer door and then the inner door. So it's like a like a vestibule

1348
01:47:08,720 --> 01:47:13,199
we call it, you know,
sort of like it's a space of about

1349
01:47:13,960 --> 01:47:17,159
three foot square basically three foot by
three foot with an inner door, and

1350
01:47:17,199 --> 01:47:20,680
then we've got the outer door.
And the outer door has obviously got a

1351
01:47:20,840 --> 01:47:26,560
got a letter box in it.
And this particular occasion, there was a

1352
01:47:26,640 --> 01:47:30,479
piece of jug mail that had been
shoved through the letter box and it was

1353
01:47:30,720 --> 01:47:33,920
half in, half out. And
the letter box itself is on quite a

1354
01:47:34,079 --> 01:47:39,760
stiff spring. So in order to
build push something through or pull something through,

1355
01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:43,520
you have to do it by force, because if there's a if there's

1356
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:46,680
a letter, you know, my
porstsman just shoves a letter through and most

1357
01:47:46,720 --> 01:47:49,960
of the time it gets stuck halfway
because the spring is that that tight on

1358
01:47:50,039 --> 01:47:55,479
it physically pull it through from side. Now, there was a piece of

1359
01:47:55,560 --> 01:47:58,479
jug mail, as I say,
in the letter box, and I was

1360
01:47:59,039 --> 01:48:01,800
we have a couple of dogs and
I was I was putting the harnesses on

1361
01:48:01,880 --> 01:48:06,520
them again, getting ready to tap
them out for a walk. And I

1362
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:11,239
was in this festival, and I
had the dogs with me, and I

1363
01:48:11,359 --> 01:48:15,720
was doing what I was doing,
and all of a sudden, this piece

1364
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:20,640
of junk metal literally was like an
invisible hand grabbed it and pulled it,

1365
01:48:20,880 --> 01:48:24,600
and it came right across in front
of me face and dropped the floor.

1366
01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:30,039
Now I know there was nobody outside
pushing it through because two reasons. One,

1367
01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:33,079
I could see through the glass there
was nobody there. Secondly, I've

1368
01:48:33,079 --> 01:48:36,199
got a video doorbell, and I
also went back and looked on that on

1369
01:48:36,319 --> 01:48:45,119
the video doorbell recording, and there
was nothing there. And I just know

1370
01:48:45,560 --> 01:48:49,760
that that something had to physically have
grabbed it and pulled it through the letter

1371
01:48:49,800 --> 01:48:56,680
box because there was no There was
no physical explanation as to how it could

1372
01:48:56,720 --> 01:49:00,840
have done it itself. It's as
simple as that. And strangely enough,

1373
01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:04,880
the dogs didn't react at that point. They have reacted to other things,

1374
01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:10,680
and they've done the usual sitting there
looking up at sailing and watching something off

1375
01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:13,760
on one side of the room to
the other, which is quite which is

1376
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:16,600
quite unnerving. But in this point
it may because it was so excited because

1377
01:49:16,600 --> 01:49:19,359
I was getting the weeds out for
him, and there's worth notice said,

1378
01:49:19,399 --> 01:49:24,079
oh, no, cock spaniels are
the very excited anywhere, excited dogs anywhere,

1379
01:49:25,199 --> 01:49:29,000
But they didn't react and to be
honest with you, I didn't really

1380
01:49:29,119 --> 01:49:31,640
think, I know the same as
daft, But I didn't think anything of

1381
01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:35,479
it until I'd been out with the
dogs and then I came back and it

1382
01:49:35,640 --> 01:49:40,319
was still on the mat. I
just left it there, and I thought,

1383
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:44,680
hang on a minute, what how
did that happen? You know,

1384
01:49:45,439 --> 01:49:48,560
this process now, what's going on? How's it happened? And the only

1385
01:49:48,680 --> 01:49:55,720
way that it could have possibly happened
was that some force, like an unseen

1386
01:49:55,840 --> 01:49:59,520
hand had grabbed all of it and
pulled it. And I remember hearing the

1387
01:49:59,640 --> 01:50:05,960
sna app of the letterbox, the
metal brass letter on the spring boy like

1388
01:50:06,039 --> 01:50:12,199
that as it was pulled through.
So you know, that was very odd,

1389
01:50:12,720 --> 01:50:15,479
and I can only attribute it to
the to the same things that have

1390
01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:18,560
been going on around, you know, around the house. And since then

1391
01:50:19,600 --> 01:50:26,960
I've still had the same seeing shadows. And in fact, at one one

1392
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:31,760
Friday evening, I was sat in
the lounge on the own with the door

1393
01:50:31,840 --> 01:50:35,600
into the lounge would beat to my
left and it was all the slightly probably

1394
01:50:35,640 --> 01:50:40,000
about I don't know, maybe about
two feets something like that, just saw

1395
01:50:40,079 --> 01:50:44,359
the dogs going and out, and
I remember sitting there and I was watching

1396
01:50:44,399 --> 01:50:47,039
the TV out of the corner of
me out I could see these the only

1397
01:50:47,079 --> 01:50:55,079
way I can describe them. There
were children's size shadows who that were moving

1398
01:50:55,319 --> 01:50:58,479
towards me, and then when they
sort of got into my main field of

1399
01:50:58,640 --> 01:51:04,279
view, disappeared. But these shadows
that we see around the house and especially

1400
01:51:04,319 --> 01:51:09,800
in the lounge, UM the light
that you support of see them out out

1401
01:51:09,800 --> 01:51:13,079
of the corner of your eye,
and when you try and get them into

1402
01:51:13,439 --> 01:51:16,479
full view, they disappear. It's
like they're always there, just just in

1403
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:21,960
the periphery. Actually, that freaked
me out a little bit more than everything

1404
01:51:23,000 --> 01:51:27,760
else that's happened a little bit because
they were small objects. Could they be

1405
01:51:28,039 --> 01:51:34,600
could they be grays rather than children? Yeah? Yeah, I've had some

1406
01:51:34,720 --> 01:51:40,239
very interesting conversations about grays with UM, you know, with people like Ronald

1407
01:51:40,319 --> 01:51:46,119
and film. Yeah, they're the
on that we're coming to the end now.

1408
01:51:46,199 --> 01:51:49,800
It's really raced through actually of the
paranormal peep shows. So thank you

1409
01:51:50,640 --> 01:51:55,199
Craig for joining us. And when
can people find out about your podcast?

1410
01:51:55,199 --> 01:51:59,680
When does it go out on the
parallel UK radio network? UM normally goes

1411
01:51:59,720 --> 01:52:02,159
out, Well, if if I
get them out on time and I'm always

1412
01:52:02,159 --> 01:52:06,000
getting told off by by Mark for
not putting them out on time. These

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are go out on a Thursday.
Yeah. These are going out every two

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01:52:10,720 --> 01:52:15,720
to three weeks. Yeah. Um. You can also listen to them on

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01:52:15,119 --> 01:52:19,000
more so other podcast catch up services
and things like that sort of thing.

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Yeah. So I'm also I'm on
a website which is Craig Briant dot co

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dot uk. There's details of the
book on the there's links to the to

1418
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the podcast. I'm also on Facebook
as well, so Paranormal Pendle and I

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normally put a post on the with
a link to a new show, so

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when they do go up, usually
with an apology for being late. Um,

1421
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you can usually follow the follow the
lincome there as well. Cool.

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01:52:49,119 --> 01:52:54,920
Any plans for another book in the
pipeline. Yeah, I'm in some research

1423
01:52:55,039 --> 01:53:02,359
at the moment into hauntings around water
interesting. Interesting. Oh cool, Well

1424
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when's that duel? Maybe later in
the year or probably next year, next

1425
01:53:08,399 --> 01:53:12,399
year. Yeah, It's a lot
of material to collate and get together and

1426
01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:15,399
organized before Well. Yeah, I
mean I've already got quite a few stories

1427
01:53:15,439 --> 01:53:21,479
anywhere that I've been that I've been
collating, and I've got some some personal

1428
01:53:23,039 --> 01:53:29,439
uh things linked to the Leids Liverpool
House. But in some of research into

1429
01:53:29,880 --> 01:53:32,239
into the Leads Liverpool calal the history
of that, and there's quite a lot

1430
01:53:32,279 --> 01:53:36,520
of paranormal activity attached to that as
all, which is interesting. So wow,

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01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:40,840
a lot, a lot. I
mean, there's a never ending supply

1432
01:53:40,920 --> 01:53:43,640
of paranal stories. When he starts
digging these things, there's always something that's

1433
01:53:43,680 --> 01:53:45,520
going to turn up. Well,
thank you very very much. Indeed to

1434
01:53:45,720 --> 01:53:50,840
Craig Bryant or the Paranormal Penal podcast, so stay tuned for that if you're

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01:53:51,039 --> 01:53:56,640
interested in find out more about Craig's
interviews and his books and things. We

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will be back next week, next
week, next month, Andy and I

1437
01:54:00,720 --> 01:54:03,079
hopefully on the Paranormal Peep Show.
We're usually around on the third Thursday of

1438
01:54:03,159 --> 01:54:08,000
every month on the Paranormal Peep Show, so stay tuned for that and also

1439
01:54:08,119 --> 01:54:11,840
listening out to all the other brilliant
shows on the Paranormal UK Radio network.

1440
01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:15,800
Is a whole gamut of different shows
of different subjects and things like that.

1441
01:54:15,880 --> 01:54:18,000
If this is the first time you've
heard us, check out the Paranormal UK

1442
01:54:18,319 --> 01:54:24,479
Radio website at pat pa UK dot
co dot uk I think it is,

1443
01:54:24,600 --> 01:54:27,760
or dot com. I can't remember
now that I'm sure a bit of find

1444
01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:30,319
it. So thanks very much for
myself, you'll get us award and Andy,

1445
01:54:31,279 --> 01:54:34,439
yeah, I just want to say
if anyone's got any ghost stories or

1446
01:54:34,479 --> 01:54:39,199
anything, then do give us an
email or contact us. Always look on

1447
01:54:39,279 --> 01:54:42,720
the lookout for new people. We
do have a Facebook group. Andy's running

1448
01:54:42,760 --> 01:54:46,119
that as well, so find us
on Facebook and you can always message Andy

1449
01:54:46,439 --> 01:54:49,560
through that and I'm sure that we'll
be pleased to hear from you. If

1450
01:54:49,600 --> 01:54:53,640
you've got anything you want to tell
us, you will have comments to talk

1451
01:54:53,680 --> 01:54:58,359
about the show. Put me in
the YouTube comments will be interesting to see

1452
01:54:58,399 --> 01:55:00,960
what you have to say. Thanks
very much, indeed, one and all

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01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:02,800
for join us, especially to Craig. Thank you very much indeed to you

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01:55:03,199 --> 01:55:59,239
of listening to us. We appreciate
it. Good night, take care you're

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