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Want to welcome to the podcast.
One of the great trainers in boxing,

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one of the great trainers in boxing
history, is going to be inducted into

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the Hall of Fame this summer.
It is none other than Joe Goosen and

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Joe more so than the Hall of
Fame that's coming up. You've been in

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the news quite a bit in the
last couple of months because of your association

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as the trainer for Ryan Garcia in
the big fight that just concluded against Tank

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Davis, huge mega fight that over
a million pay per view buys a twenty

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two million dollars plus gate, one
of the biggest fights we've seen in boxing

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in a long time. So,
but more notably in the last couple of

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days has come the news that you
and Ryan Garcia are no longer going to

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work together. That was your third
fight with each other. I was wondering

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if you could just sort of tell
me the details of what went down there,

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how that happened. Did you part
ways with him? Did he tell

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you he didn't want to be with
you? That anybody bothered to tell you?

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How did that happen? And what's
going on with that? Yeah,

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Well, before I even get you
on on that, and I'll be more

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of un happy to discuss that with
you. Just wanted the safe Thank you

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for having me on. Uh,
you're one of the great writers of all

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time. I've known you for what
twenty something years now, Danny who I

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mean, so a long time,
and I appreciate what you do. And

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you're a polific writer by the way, and so you keep me busy reading

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your stuff all the time. But
that being said, yeah, Ryan and

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I said, we had basically almost
a year to date, um run with

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three fights, like you had mentioned, to go for tuna and then tanked.

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Eventually it was an incredible leaving UM. It was, I mean one

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of the most electric clouds I've ever
been in. It was something else that

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night in the pay per view show
and everything shows that the fights sold out

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a an hour's time, so it
was. It was a huge event,

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a huge event. And Ryan worked
very very hard. He really did um

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you know, but he doesn't he's
a steering his kid and he was very

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dedicated and we have a tremendous relationship
and we still do. But Ryan called

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me, I want to say,
maybe Sunday dayDay after days I went in

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the day I did, he called
me about Sunday and the day before the

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news hit about us and not working
together where you know, obviously I will

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always be friends with Ryan. Look, I had Ryan when he was seventeen

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years old in my gym. I'm
the one who encouraged him to turn pro

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before he was eighteen. He was
he had already done everything he could in

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the amateurs, pretty much went to
Mexico, had a few fights there,

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turned pro in August when he turned
eighteen, six years ago. O be

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seven years this August, and you
know Ryan, I had put a great

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offer on the table for Brian and
his family with the investor in cash and

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apartment, you know, the whole
nuye. You know how it was,

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and I didn't get the I didn't
get the deal done with him, although

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I really wanted to. He's one
of the first young guys like that at

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that age that I would ever even
think about, you know, that didn't

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would go to the Olympics or something
like that, or when an Olympic medal

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um. He hadn't done that,
but he had. You know, I

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had a lot of the uh listen, Joe. He had he had like

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two two hundred ten amateur wins.
It's not everybody knows he was a top

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amateur, and I think post people
that have followed this whole situation knew that

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when you did link up with him
as a professional trainer, that you had

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had that experience with him early on
as an amateur. Well I okay,

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not everybody's aware of that. So
but my point being was, look,

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even though we didn't make a deal, and I had put some work into

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it and put a deal on the
table, we stayed fast friends after that.

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Okay. Then when Ryan eventually signed
with Golden Boy, um, throughout

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his career after different fights, he
goes, did you see that fight?

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To tell about? What did you
think? Because that so we stayed very

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friendly even after what was a disappointing
business venture that never got off the ground.

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And I say that to preclude what
I'm gonna say now is that the

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same thing applies here. Ryan and
I will always be friends, will always

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be friendly. We've got a very
good personal connection to each other, okay,

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Um, and I cherished that,
I really do. Ryan is a

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very special kid. He's he's he's
really bright. He appeals to a lot

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of my you know, senses,
and he's um a tremendous tremendous fighter,

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an athlete. So when Ryan called
me Sunday night, we had a very

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pleasant fuck. Trust me, there
was no animosity, There was no harsh

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words. If anything, there was
a lot of things that were un said

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that we didn't have to say because
I pretty much understand him and he understands

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me, and he understands how he
can talk to me. Did you kind

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of know Joe though when he called? Did you sort of know like,

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Okay, I'm getting fired? Basically, No, it wasn't even about getting

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fired. I mean that that's a
harsh term. And of course you can

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look at it. Oh you're not
working for him anymore? You were fired?

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Yeah, okay, you say that, But it wasn't like that,

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say normally, Um, if it's
if it's something that is an irritant and

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it's something that bothers, they were
not going to call you a fighter,

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is not going to call you personally
okay, if they if they like you

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and respect you and enjoy your company
and can appreciate what's been done for him

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through me, and he did the
right thing. He called me, okay,

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like he didn't have his people call
you. He didn't just let you

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hear it from the press. No, by the way, I say that,

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I say that this is what I
love about Ryan. And I told

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him, I said, Ryan,
I said, you're a real man.

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I said, it takes it takes
a lot of looks about to pick up

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the phone and make that call yourself. Okay. And and it wasn't even

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like, you know, the reason
for this, the reason for that.

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And it was very you know,
like I said, we were both kind

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of aware of what the outcome in
this whole situation was going to be.

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I was pretty much aware him.
It was not a shock to me.

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Um. And you know, of
course, if things had turned out differently,

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maybe we'd be seeing a different too. Let me ask you the why.

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I mean, obviously, if you
win, if he wins the fight,

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then you know, usually things don't
change like this. But okay,

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so he asked him, I mean, just to interrupt you one second.

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I mean, that's happened to me, horror, okay, more than once.

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But sometimes you can sometimes you can
win and still you know, but

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I guess stand up with with with
without the job as the questions if you're

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if you're still going to have a
friendship of some type, and you know

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you talk about his work ethic and
he's a stand up guy by calling you

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on his own and it sound like
he fought a bad fight. He didn't

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win, but he didn't fight like
badly. He had a great first round.

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He was dominating in the second round
for the knockout anyway, Mike.

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But the point I'm making is,
why can't why wouldn't you, Why wouldn't

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he want to stay together? If
everything was as good as you're talking about

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between you guys, persons, Listen, you know there's always more than one

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spoke in the wheel, okay,
and and and so there's a lot of

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things to be considered, right,
a lot of voices to be heard,

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And I understand that as well.
And so I'm sure it was more than

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just a singular decision. By right. It may have been I didn't have

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and but do you never know?
So, Um, he could have been

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a general consensus on the team's part
regardless. It's okay, I'm fine,

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Um, Like no hard feelings is
your point there is, Danny. I

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can tell you right now, you
couldn't. You couldn't. You could put

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me under a lie detector test right
now, And I can tell you right

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now, I have nothing but admiration
for Ryan go seeing nothing but admiration.

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I believe I really like the kid
a lot. Listen, I like the

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kid. Also, I've known him
since he basically termed professionals, So I

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he's a very likable guy. I
mean, I know sometimes people who have

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never met him or whatever, they
just see the persona on the social media

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and maybe some you know, sound
bites and maybe it doesn't, you know,

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scrub some people the wrong way.
But I agree with you. He's

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a He's a heartfelt, nice kid. Him he is. He's got a

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good heart. And listen, you
know, if he feels bad, he

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needs to go in another direction.
That's his choice. And I am not

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hurt by it at all. I
don't really am not hurt by it at

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all. As he was preparing for
the fight, did you feel like there

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was And you know, it's it's
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like you didn't know each other.
You had worked with him, as you

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mentioned as an amateur, you had
had the two wins together. Did you

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feel it were there any issues in
the training camp that you were maybe not

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on the same page. I heard
some things about how he would only come

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to the gym on days where he
was sparring and not necessarily to do other

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activities in terms of his preparation.
Could you could you shed some light on

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what was going on there and was
there an issue in the camp of any

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kind? Well, I can tell
you something right now. Even a woman

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chanko right sure, Okay. He
lives outcoming in the area is let by

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let him Ventura County. He was
Camlio and he's got a house and that's

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what he's got on his house.
He's got a gym his backyard, Okay,

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and that's where he trains. Listen, Um, I've had I've been

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in plenty of situations where you would
go you need to tell me this guy

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fought that many champions and he fought
out He trained out of his backyard.

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Yeah, okay, Um. I
had Randy Shields, you know, along

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with his father who was his head
trainer and manager. And that's where I

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sold my eleven year apprenticeship with Randy
Shields from basically seventy three. Um,

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whenever he retired in the eighties.
And you know, he fought runs,

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he fought Planner, he fought Anitas, he fought Quavis, he caught bumped,

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us. He caught McQuary six world
champions. Yes, where we trained

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in his backyard. So I think
you mentioned roman Chenko and what roman No,

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I'm just talking about roman Chenko.
Has I said he has his gym

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and his back yard as well.
The guy I started with had a gym

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in his backyard. He fought six
world champions. So are you saying that

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when when he wasn't in your gyms? Man, I'm getting the Ryan part.

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The Ryan part is this when we
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a week, we sparred at my
gym. You know, we you know,

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we we sit. The spine is
conducive to a gym, and and

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it's it's it's you know, we
had the ring and the heat. And

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there's also when when we weren't spine, we trained at his home gym.

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That's so you were going to It
wasn't like he was not with you,

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He just was not at your gym. We never missed a day, dam

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Okay, that's all day. You
fified day that we missed training. Okay,

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that's I think some people heard that
and were like, wow, he's

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like training on his own while Joe
was in his gym, and you only

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were together. I'm glad you asked
me that. Okay, if that's if

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that's the case, um, and
that's the word out there now. Uh,

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Tuesdays, Thursday's, Saturdays. We
would train at his gym in the

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valley, not at my I have
to say that everything else we needed.

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We have the double end of the
f We had the far that you know,

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We had the upper cut bag,
we have the light heavy bag,

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we have the big heavy bag.
We have the myths, we have the

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body cushion. No, we did
everything up there. It certainly seemed like

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he was like he certainly put in
the training because he seemed an excellent condition.

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And I say that because otherwise he
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lot more to make the weight restrictions
that were placed on him in the contract.

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No problem, they we we we
had. We had gotten down the

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thirty nine forty forty one two weeks
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there. We were there the whole
time. All we had to do was

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just cut back um, some of
his eating habits, which were he never

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he never missed the one meal,
um. And we hit it right on

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the dot. Basically, you know, can you can you tell me a

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little bit about the rib injury situation
that that apparently took place with the sparring

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partner prior to the fight that you
know, for obvious reasons, somebody wanted

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to talk about. And I actually
give Ryan a lot of credit because he's

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never really he didn't you know when
when asked those types of questions in the

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post fight, he just left alone
and didn't make any excuse, didn't go

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there. Well, and I see
why, because I have to tell you

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it was it was something that really
wasn't a factor. Um, there's not

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a fighter in this world that doesn't
bruise a knuckle, shoulder pain. You

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did this, You did that.
Everyone you know it, Danny, even

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around a long time, nobody goes
into those fights without a little bit of

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a nagging something or other. Okay, Ryan, he was, He was

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in such great shape and the physical
and otherwise that he never missed a day

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of training. Never. Okay.
So if you even if you had something

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that felt that feels it feels a
little bruised here, all right, if

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he had, if his elbow feel
weird, I'd pull him off a sparing

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for a few days. So let's
let's dispel let's dispel the myth then that

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there was no that whatever happened with
the rib was not in any way the

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type of thing that had the team
or anybody thinking this fighting to be postponed.

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No, okay, never. So
that tells me that that maybe,

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like you said, there was some
kind of niggle there or some kind of

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little discomfort, but not anything that
was gonna put the fight in jeopardy.

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That it that it can't be used
as any type of excuse for whatever happened.

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No way, No, he Ryan
wouldn't use that as as you said

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it. It's like I said,
uh, I've got fighters in my gym

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right now, everyone's got a problem, right ecasically everyone Okay, understood,

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But but you got to remember these
guys are warriors, and what would put

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you and I down for a week
in bed? They slough off and keep

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you driving. You know, it
could be in bed for a month.

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Man, it's the nature of the
beast. You are going to get banged

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up when you use sparred for two
months. Okay, he's worked for two

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months, three months, you're you're
here, he is, someone's gonna happen.

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You ain't hit a knuckle off of
the head, top of the head.

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You're gonna throw um uh, you
know you're gonna get hit a show

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round could bruise it. In just
a million things that could happen. You

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get a swollen lip, you get
a bruised eye. It's almost impossible to

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avoid it. It's almost impossible.
Let's talk a little bit about the fight

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itself. I mean, you've you've
addressed the split, you've addressed the training

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camp, the perceived rib injury.
Now he gets into the fight and he

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has you know, I gave him
the first round. I think most of

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the judges gave him the first round. He fought very well, so yeah,

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I mean he controlled him with the
jab. He seemed to be,

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you know, trying to trying to, you know, get the distance down,

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and he was doing his job.
Second round. I think you said

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in the first after the round one
in the corner, you know that you

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fought a good round, and you
know that was excellent. Keep doing what

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you're doing. Basically. Second round
domination in the sense had him holding on,

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landed some left hooks, nothing that
knocked him down or anything, but

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was doing image. It seemed like
at least a little bit, and you

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got to be thrilled with what you've
seen through what around in three quarters?

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If I'm not, would you say
so? At that point was thrilled with

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reservations right, and then comes to
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and support the reservation. So when
you saw him get knocked down, you

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knew we'd done well in round one. You knew we'd done extremely well in

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the second round up to that point. And then you see him floored,

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didn't seem too hurt, got up
pretty quickly. He finished around No,

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no, real didn't seem like his
legs were gone or anything like that seemed

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okay. What was your what was
your thought when you came back to the

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corner? Are we in trouble?
Is you gonna shake it up? What

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was your what were you thinking of? What were you tell? Well?

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Man, you know it's the first
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to assess is how how you know
there's certain you know tells that theory're gonna

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be able to identify? And then
what was your thought when you saw it?

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And then I was satisfied that he
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he worked hard every day and he
ran I mean his legs were really

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really solid. Um, he ran
a lot and he ran often. Um,

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so the assessment was good. Now
I think I behavious. I haven't

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occurred, but I think I know
my exportation was probably something along the lines

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of getting back to boxing, right, he which which which was basically in

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a nutshell the game plan to him. You know, you're not going to

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punch with a puncher, even though
he's a great puncher himself, because Tan

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can hurt you with either hand at
anytime. Well, I listen, granted

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that, yeah, and always nobody
dispute that. But then again, you

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know, you also have some physical
attributes that favor you. Um, you

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should put those good use and um, you know, I mean that was

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discussed. Then. You know,
we had lengthy discussions about game plan and

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if you could you know not you
don't have to believer the point, but

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maybe take you know, twenty seconds
and and say what the game plan was.

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Like I said, I think it's
self evident to anybody that knows,

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uh anything about boxing. I mean, I think it's a patently obvious what

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the game plan should be. You
don't you don't have to be a rocket

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scientist to figure it out. I
mean, everyone that you know that I've

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ever talked to that who respect in
the game, including my home thoughts,

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would be what you could probably figure
out as well. So tell me if

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I'm righting the hold on, hold
on him and Danny, Okay, if

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you were me and I'm gonna,
I'm gonna guarantee you're gonna be able to

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give me the game plan that was
discussed in our camp. Tell me in

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so many words and in a couple
sentences, if you were telling Ryan,

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here's what you need to do tonight, go let me hear what you have

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to say. You're the taller guy
with the longer reach, You're a little

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quicker. Stay on the outside,
jab jab pick your spots. If he

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lets the hand down, go with
the left hook. But box him,

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box him, box him. And
if you come back to this corner having

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put your back on the ropes,
I'm gonna I'm gonna smack your face.

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How much do I owe you for
giving me that great game plan? Am

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I right? How much do I
owe you for giving me that great game

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plan? I've known, I've known
you for twenty years. I love you.

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So that's a free boy, Danny. That's what I'm saying. You

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just gave pretty much concise uh rundown
of the game plan okay, and the

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story. I mean, what do
you need to here from? Okay?

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I wanted I wanted to make sure. I don't want to make assumptions.

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But the bottom line is, uh, I guess tried to put it to

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the opposite of your assumption, would
be, would be you know that it

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didn't it didn't work out, It
wouldn't know it would not be very smart.

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But okay, yeah, so there
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now you watch now, you watch
the value hard guy wouldn't wouldn't say that

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to what you just said. You
watch the rounds go by. You know

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he's competing, but he's losing the
rounds. And at what point did you

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feel like, Okay, we're probably
here, we're probably in trouble. Here

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to listen, I try not to
let negative thoughts get into my head.

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I'm always looking for something where we
can capitalizes on. I think you know

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you've seen enough fights. I've been
in enough fights where you don't ever's hope,

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you don't ever go or don't know. I've had rounds where we've lost

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and on going into the tenth and
final round and still win by knockout has

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happened more than a handful of times, okay, Um, or where you've

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lost half the fight in the beginning
and then you know you're gonna come on

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and you know, shifting down,
shift into another gear in the second half

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of the fight. So I'm always
looking for the win or the way to

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pull it out if you are behind. So my whole idea is always,

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um, we've got X amount of
rounds left, what do we even need

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to do here to win this fight? Sometimes he boils down to you saying,

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hey, it's a tenth round.
You got to calm amount body.

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You're down by three to four rounds. You go, look at the burgly

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realsy, we're geting to knock out. You can knock this guy outsiness by

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decision, Okay. I mean so
things of those are the discussions that happen

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in the ring, albeit briefly.
And you know, um, if I've

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ended in the seventh, so that
hold of the tession that would have taken

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place going down the stretch, you
know, never manifested himself for the obvious

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reason that Blake was stopped. All
right, So I want to I want

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to ask you about the knockout.
I mean he obviously, uh, you

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know, he got up from the
second round knockdown. I think it was

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a big enough shot where a lot
of guys might not have gotten up the

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way that Tank Davis punches. He
went down on the body shot in the

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seventh round. It was a really
kind of a weird, delayed reaction.

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Obviously he was It took a couple
of seconds, it felt like to get

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the pain from the you know,
the shot to his brain when he was

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down. Did you think he was
going to get up? I knew it

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was a bad one by the way
he reacted. It was a delayed reaction.

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Um, I've had enough experience with
great body punchers, guys that deliver

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them, and guys that have absorbed, and you'll hear it from every fighter.

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They'd rather get hit on the chin, but on the liver. I

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actually wrote that in one of my
columns after the fight year one hundred percent

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right about that. Yeah. And
if you've ever been hit in the belly,

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just a belly alone, unawares,
hates devastating sense, an expanding pain

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that starts set us, then expands
and just paralyzed. My perception of that

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punch was a lot of people described
that as a liver shot. I've watched

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the replay like a thousand times.
It was one hundred percent not a liver

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shot. It was above the liver
was on the rib, right on the

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rib cage, like right on the
rib cage. Well, no, no,

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Danny, the de liver sits behind
the rib cage. But I no,

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no, I know that. But
it didn't seem like it was in

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the spot where the liver would be
impacted. It was really more than rib

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you know, you know, deliver
is bigger than you think. It runs

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from the bottom of your right rib
the lows s grib up and across towards

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your stren up. So it comes
up and across. That's not a one

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number two. That's why when you
get hit would say look to the body.

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Letsten. He wraps around your elbow
and hits you on the side.

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It's a shock wave from that punch
that then sends the shock wave through your

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body and through your liver. And
this even though you're not see it on

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it correctly, the shock wave hits
it. Not only a great trainer,

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but a great doctor also. Thank
you for the explanation. No and all

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seriousness, So I wanted to know. Then, There's been a lot of

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people. I've read it. I've
heard it from people in the business,

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from fans. This is not my
personal viewpoint. A lot of people look

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at and say Ryan Garcia could have
gotten up and continued, but he quit.

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What is Joe Goosen's take on that
perception. No, No, I've

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seen guys. Look, I've seen
guys. Frank Take on the gold medal

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in nineteen eighty four, the same
year as Tyson was an alternid and my

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fighter my gun was an altid.
Okay, Frank Take won the goal.

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We eventually and he was a Great
Fighter Division World champion sixty and sixty eight

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pound of Frank Take. We went
up against him in ju Live of eighty

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eight for the IBF World titled Mike
Nun Against Frank Take. Mike Nun hit

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Frank Take with the liver shot again, Mike Nun the soutball, light tank

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and Ryan the right hander and Take
the right hander like Ryan, so that

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that's the same set up as the
power hand, the left hand of the

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southball right in front of the sensitive
part of your body, which is the

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right rip cage. So Mike Nun
hit Frank Tape. I'm telling you,

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with a four inch liver shot,
it didn't look like anything. Frank Tape

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could not get up, he cried. At nine, he finally got counted

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out by Mills Lane, the Great
Mills Lane, the soul, and we

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got counted out. And let me
just tell you something. How could you

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imagine a two division world champion,
gold middle winner quitting now? Sorry,

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these liver shops are debilitating. They
are debilitating. No matter what your mind

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says, the body says, no
way, dude, no way, it's

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not happening to you. Are not
continuing you. In fact, I mean

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it's going to take a few more
of the seconds here before I even let

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you catch your well and listen.
I can. I appreciate all of that

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that you've said. I you know, when you get hit with those types

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of shots. I've watched the thousand
times. I understand exactly what you mean.

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I think the reason why some people
question Ryan's heart and whether he could

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have continued is because it wasn't like
he was. This was not Virgil Hill

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getting knocked out by Roy Jones,
where he's laying on the cameras with a

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broken rib. This was Ryan Garcia
hearing nine ten and getting up at ten

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and a half. Okay, look, look, well you're talking about the

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Virgil Hill punch. That was a
wicked whipping right hand. No, no,

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but I'm calling about there's a different
Wait a minute, only you brought

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it up. It was a whipping
right hand by Roy Jones on the opposite

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side of the Liver To hill,
the Virgil Hill, and it was a

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whipping, crushing shot. Okay.
On the other hand, Conversely, when

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none hit Taint that I talked about, he was a four inch stab.

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I just think that was nothing.
So whether it's a whip shot that breaks

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your libs or it's a perfectly placed
stab light on the liver, either one

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of those, uh, will send
you into a ten of town. So

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the only, the only thing,
the only point I'm making is not about

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the last one I want to make. Okay, Not everybody, not everybody

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has to roll around on the Kansas. And he moved, um and with

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good reason, um because he hit
with some guys just are paralyzed by it

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and can't move. I'm only making
them, only making the point. And

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I don't think he quit. That's
not my opinion. And I know I

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know you're not what I'm saying is
that the reason the reason why people say

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that is because he's got up at
ten and a half. That shot just

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he stopped him at his tra access. All the is to it. If

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Ryan could have continued, he would
have. He's Ryan Man, forget it.

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He's he's gotten more than combination at
heart, you know, for for

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ten people. So no, I'm
just telling you right now, if he

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could have gotten up, he would
have fair point. Okay, go ahead,

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I'm sorry, finish. No,
I didn't. I don't want to

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believe it. I just wanted to. I wanted to get the devil's advocate

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and then tell you and get your
impressions of what a lot of people think

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it's because he got up at ten
and a half that he probably could have

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gotten up at ten. But I
agree with you. I don't think he

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could have continued. And he said
as much after the fight. Well,

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here's the thing. Getting up at
ten and a half at having the REP

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three stopping the fight is one thing. Um being down at nine and a

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half and and trying to get up
knowing that another attack is coming through is

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also something that is a psychological thing
as well. But let me just say

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something. A second or two being
down can make a big difference. It's

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just like it's just like Tyson Purity
when he went down from Wilder. I

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mean that extra second, welcome up. I don't know, he was asleep

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and then it was away at at
nine, got up, you know.

410
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,279
So I'm I'm just saying Easton happened
in a second. You can you can

411
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:30,759
feel debilitated one hundred percent, and
then a second or two later you can

412
00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:34,920
feel fifty percent debilitated. So it's
it's one of those things. And I'm

413
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:41,000
just saying that a liver shot was, like you said, thank kids,

414
00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:42,880
as hard as that he's got.
You know, he's only had two fights

415
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:48,359
toil the distance out of one twenty
nine. Okay, he knocks everybody out.

416
00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:52,559
And when you said we did the
barrios with that body shot, he's

417
00:29:52,599 --> 00:29:56,559
a killer body pucker man. And
you get hit right on, right on

418
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,960
the liberally heated and I'm surprised he
I was gonna see him, wasn't.

419
00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:10,359
So Yeah, you just made the
point at least maintain his farm, you

420
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,720
know what I'm saying. Absolutely,
you just made the point about the punching

421
00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:15,680
power that think Davis has. I'm
actually interested. Also, I know he's

422
00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:18,599
talking about Ryan because he's your he
was your guy for this fight. But

423
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,799
being across the ring and watching the
way Taint Davis performed, Uh, I

424
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,119
wonder your your opinion about about his
talent, his ability. He seems like

425
00:30:27,519 --> 00:30:30,480
he's in that position in his career
now where it's going to take something really

426
00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:37,480
special to beat this guy. Yeah, I don't disagree with you at all.

427
00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:42,640
Um, He's he's proven himself to
be, you know, the number

428
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:47,680
one guy. I think at thirty
five, without a doubt, he could

429
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:53,119
probably even move up to forty and
probably just be just as dominant. Um.

430
00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:59,200
You know what it is. He's
Um, he's he's a winner.

431
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,960
Number one, he sent his blood
to win. And then number two,

432
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,519
he's well schooled. He you know, calin Ford did a great job,

433
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:14,640
but he's been with him forever.
He gotta I if my cap to him

434
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,640
because you know he had him prepared. And look, I mean m.

435
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:22,720
Leonard Ellerbe even said it, you
know, he said, look, we

436
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:29,000
knew that Ryan Garcia was going to
be a monster. He was going to

437
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:30,599
be in the greatest shape of his
life, and we knew we had to

438
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:36,400
be So they went to the Maths. We went to the maths and paint

439
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:41,319
Davis, you know, prevailed um
and for good reason. He's a great,

440
00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:47,440
great fighter. I mean, he's
probably pound for pound, one of

441
00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:51,359
the best in the world. Right
now, I would say he's definitely,

442
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:53,039
uh, you know, making his
way towards that level. I don't know

443
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:56,400
if he's quite there yet, but
certainly he's He's making some statements with his

444
00:31:56,519 --> 00:32:01,319
recent performances. I agree. So
now I'll wrap up in just a minute.

445
00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:04,279
But I know, okay, so
going forward, obviously you're not going

446
00:32:04,359 --> 00:32:06,359
to be with Ryan at least you
know, and then you know in the

447
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:07,720
near future. Anyway, you never
know about every union. Who knows,

448
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,960
but yeah, you never know.
I mean that's you know, things come

449
00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:15,440
you know, full sirsal sometimes.
But if it never did happen, it

450
00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:19,440
was a great run. I wish
him well and I know I'm gonna be

451
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:22,319
talking on him soon. And so
I was, what do you what do

452
00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:24,480
you think lunch together? I mean, it's it's that it's that way right

453
00:32:24,519 --> 00:32:28,799
now. We're that cool right now. So since you know him pretty well

454
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,119
obviously, and you know the type
of fighter he is, the work I

455
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,599
think he has, the you know
what his mentality is in the ring.

456
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,920
How how hard you think it will
be for him to redound from this type

457
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:46,720
of loss. But look, there's
only one Tank Davis, uh you know

458
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,960
in the world right now. Um. Are there other fighters that are very

459
00:32:52,039 --> 00:33:00,759
talented? Absolutely? Um, But
I think Number one, Ryan's his artillery

460
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:09,400
works really well against right handers.
Okay, that's kind of where his he's

461
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:14,279
he's at his best now. I
know, we just fought two south Paus

462
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:19,000
back to back and for Tuna,
he just totally, uh you know,

463
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,599
dismantled him piece by piece over you
know, it's a different it's a different

464
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,160
horse than we had in the in
the race the other night. Um.

465
00:33:28,119 --> 00:33:35,200
That said, I just think Ryan's, um, his all of his counters

466
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,799
and leads and what have you all
worked better against right handers. So I

467
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:47,799
think if he can avoid really really
dynamic south pause and there aren't there are

468
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,400
not a lot of them out there, Tank me the best of the bunch.

469
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,680
But I think Number one stick to
right handers. He just works against

470
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:04,720
them much better. Um. Number
two, he's you know, sometimes the

471
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:10,719
great fighters take a loss and turn
those into great advantages for themselves. That

472
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:19,159
makes them apply themselves even more,
learn why things happened for you know,

473
00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:28,280
negatively correct those and try to assimilate
more information to make you a more experienced

474
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,400
and better fighter. In other words, Um, there's a lot to learn

475
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,400
in this game. It's like Lupi
Akino once told me, the great lupiek

476
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,239
in a jury Middlewich Champions. He
said he was he said, Joe,

477
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:44,320
by the time I really learned how
to fight, that I really knew this

478
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,760
game, he said, it was
time to retire. You know. So

479
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,280
there's a lot to learn. And
Ryan is only by the way I think

480
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,920
people forget. Ryan Garcia is twenty
four years old. Yes, yea a

481
00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:59,159
very young and inexperienced fighter, generally
very he's very young. And you know

482
00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:02,280
the differ is in between twenty four, twenty six, twenty seven years old,

483
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:07,159
that man's strength really comes in.
He's gonna be he's gonna be very,

484
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:12,760
very hard to deal with for just
about anybody Else's the toughest fight on

485
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:19,199
the planet. He he lobbied for
and he got it. And um,

486
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:27,719
it shows you his his um athletic
um desires. He wants to be the

487
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,679
best, and he wants to fight
the best to prove he's the best.

488
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:36,199
So I mean he he kind of
willed this fight. That's exactly what I

489
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:37,679
wrote. I mean, he's the
one that he battled with his own team

490
00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:40,480
at Golden Boy to make the fight. He battled to get the deal done

491
00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:45,159
with the Tank side. I mean
I said to Ryan when an interview I

492
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:46,039
had with him, I said,
this fight, if you know, Tank

493
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,400
had to take it. Obviously he's
in the ring also, so you got

494
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,960
to give him credit for making the
fight too. But someone's got to drive

495
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,199
the bus. And Ryan Garcia was
driving the bus. Did he did?

496
00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:02,760
He hoped he initially will the fight
into existence exactly. So it sounds to

497
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,639
me like you think, uh,
maybe stay away from lefties for a bit,

498
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,719
till you learn a little bit more
about fighting them come back. He's

499
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,679
got the athletic abilities and the talent
and the and the technique and all those

500
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,880
things are going to it. Uh. The one thing I wanted to ask

501
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:16,760
you, do you think from a
mental point of view that he'll be able

502
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:21,840
to overcome this? Oh yeah,
yeah, of course. I mean,

503
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,039
namey a fighter besides maybe Mayweather in
the last fifty years that you know,

504
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,599
didn't lose a fight or get dropped. The greatest. Name your top five

505
00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:35,920
favorite fighters and tell me if they've
ever been a dropped or lost. You're

506
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,159
right, I mean most every single
fighter does those. I mean I can

507
00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:40,159
think of a couple of guys are
retired undefeated. Joe Calzagie retired undefeated,

508
00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:43,199
although he did get dropped. I
mean, yeah, you're right. It's

509
00:36:43,679 --> 00:36:46,719
to me losing is you know,
if you if you're if the best fighters

510
00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:51,400
fight the other best fighters, somebody
is going to win the fight and somebody's

511
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:52,280
going to lose the fight. And
that doesn't mean the guy that loses the

512
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:57,320
fight is not a good fighter.
Also, no, exactly correct, and

513
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:04,440
that's what I'm saying. So you
know, uh, I just think that

514
00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:10,639
this is something that's actually going to
drive him to greater heights in all actuality.

515
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,440
I think it's going to motivate him
to make even more of a commitment,

516
00:37:16,039 --> 00:37:24,960
if that's possible, because he's very
uh he's very studious about his his

517
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:31,039
sport and um, he's you know, he is a Ryan is. He's

518
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:37,639
he's a thinker and you know he's
he likes to dissect things and discuss him

519
00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:39,480
He's smart about it. He's got
he's got a good mind. For it.

520
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:45,559
So I I just think he knows
he's got plenty left and he had

521
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:51,000
he had a tough fight with Tank, But you know what, I think

522
00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:55,760
he could go on a winning streak
and then just you know, reclaim a

523
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:00,079
lot of the territory he may have
lost, and then you go on to

524
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:05,880
a championship, maybe even at one
forty. SAME's he's really a welterweight in

525
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,519
waiting. Sure, he's so big, you know. So I have one

526
00:38:09,559 --> 00:38:12,840
more question for you, and then, and I appreciate all the time we

527
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,760
have discussed this on There have been
a lot of people that have made comments

528
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:22,280
about why much of his team,
Oscar de la Joya, Bernard Hopkins,

529
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,639
and Joe Goosen were not present at
the post by press conference. So you

530
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:30,079
don't have to speak for Oscar Dalaya
or Bernard Hopkins, but I am curious

531
00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:31,760
why Joe Goosen was not at the
post by press conference. I personally found

532
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:36,400
it unusually, Dan, Dan,
I will tell you something, There's not

533
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:44,599
any There was never one media event, not one training session, not one

534
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:53,840
visit to wherever we had to go
for publicity interviews that I wasn't at.

535
00:38:54,400 --> 00:39:00,800
I was at everything. Okay,
now, flash forwards. It was a

536
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:08,400
very innocent the thing that happened after
the fight, you know. Of course

537
00:39:09,079 --> 00:39:14,400
Ryan was let out into the locker
room quickly. You know, as I'm

538
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,719
getting out of the ring, you
know, I see Alburn staying ringside,

539
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:24,960
Abner Marz, a bunch of other
people, Cobe Covington. I thought it

540
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,559
was just like okay, before I
even got ten steps out of the ring,

541
00:39:29,639 --> 00:39:32,880
I was there for fifteen minutes right
there room side talking okay, now

542
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,679
going up the aisle, Okay,
you know what's going to happen walking up

543
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,360
the aisle, you know, And
that was just me. So you know,

544
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,400
people are gonna want bub bub bub. You know, I'm talking to

545
00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:45,039
a bunch of different people. By
the time I got back to the locker

546
00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:50,039
room, it was probably I'm figuring
twenty to thirty minutes later, okay,

547
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,960
at least twenty at least twenty,
maybe thirty. So I get in the

548
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:59,440
locker room and it's just packed packed
back back backed. Yeah, you're get

549
00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:04,000
your guy. Connor McGregor was there, I think I see. I didn't

550
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,079
even see him, you know,
it was so packed. Okay, So

551
00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:07,960
I made my way over to Ryan
and he was getting dressed. It looked

552
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,920
like he was putting on a outfit
for you know, going out later or

553
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,519
whatever. Well, coming out to
the press conference first, well okay,

554
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:23,760
well okay, but I never heard
about a press conference. Now, regardless

555
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:30,320
of that, Um, I was
in the locker room act I said something

556
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,840
to Ryan he was getting addressed,
and I said them to a few other

557
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,599
people that were in there, and
you know, kind of shared how I

558
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:42,880
was bummed out with them. And
then I stepped out into the hallway.

559
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,280
There's two exits out of the out
of the locker room, front and back,

560
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:51,119
and you're still in the hallway.
And now I started talking to other

561
00:40:51,199 --> 00:40:54,920
people. I I literally so I
swear to you on every I thought Ryan

562
00:40:55,119 --> 00:41:02,119
was getting ready to leave and go
to um um back to the hotel.

563
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,559
So now and I hear what you're
saying, Joe, I have to ask,

564
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:08,960
Well, you asked me, let
me finish. Okay, all right,

565
00:41:09,199 --> 00:41:13,760
let me finish. So now I'm
in the hallway, and of course

566
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,960
it's attacked out there, and I'm
talking to people blah blah blah. You

567
00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:22,000
know, they're probably fifteen twenty minutes. I go back to like everybody's gone.

568
00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:27,079
I what the hell I started going
down the hallway, ran into some

569
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,800
security guards, and eventually you know, and I talked to maybe fifteen twenty

570
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:37,360
minutes out in the hall and I
said where, I said, have you

571
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,199
seen the Garcia? And they said, oh, they just left. So

572
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:45,039
they just left. I said,
damn, I'm going How am I going

573
00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:46,280
to get out of here now?
Because I was the last one in the

574
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:51,320
building. So the whole time they
were at this press conference, which I

575
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,599
found out later on, I had
no idea. Now people go, well,

576
00:41:55,599 --> 00:42:00,199
wait a minute, aren't there always
press conference? I say that press

577
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:01,840
cover. No, no, Dan, I don't want to be interrupted.

578
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:06,320
I got a train a thought,
go on. Of course there are and

579
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,519
sometimes there aren't, okay, now
that being said, Um, then I

580
00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:15,320
came to find out, oh,
yeah, they were just in the arena.

581
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,079
They had a press conference in the
ring at the arena. In the

582
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,119
ring. I've never accred. So
not only did was I not notified?

583
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:27,920
Not only did anybody? Now nobody
texted me and said, hey, we're

584
00:42:28,039 --> 00:42:30,039
in the arena having a press conference. Where are you. I would have

585
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:32,679
said, well, I'm right in
the hallway here. I had no what

586
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:37,119
do you think I would have hit
out from them because I know that.

587
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:43,000
I'm just saying so no. I
was in the building not knowing where they

588
00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:46,400
were until they left. And then
I found out they had left. And

589
00:42:46,599 --> 00:42:50,159
I don't even know when I found
out they had the press car may have

590
00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:54,199
been later on, so oh,
I mean the press conference out of the

591
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,719
building. There was tons of people
out in front. I had to get

592
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:04,039
escorted across parking lot to the MGM
park where they said go through the front

593
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:06,079
and out the back turn of the
left. He go, because I said,

594
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:07,000
how did I get back to the
MGM? I had a walk,

595
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,079
I hadn't walk, so then of
course I make the wrong turn. I

596
00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:14,119
go a mile. I'm walking the
street, serve back. It was really

597
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,360
a comedy show. I ended up
at the Rio Hotel. One of the

598
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,280
front says, hey, where's the
MGM. He goes, well, this

599
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:22,239
is what I said. Can I
walk into this? He goes, no,

600
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,880
you gotta take a cap now.
I get in the cab line.

601
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,920
That took like a half and it
was just a nightmare. And then I

602
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,519
get back where were you with?
I go, why didn't somebody text me

603
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:37,440
and just say, hey, Joe, we're in the arena. There's a

604
00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:42,000
press conference going on. I was
in the building, so this is exactly

605
00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:45,719
what happened. It was a lack
of communication. I couldn't even if I

606
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:51,320
was looking for a press conference.
I got to look at it in the

607
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,559
ring. And that's that. That's
as much as I'm gonna say. Because

608
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:59,599
I've never missed anything with my fighter, especially if they lose, I want

609
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:04,880
to be there for them, and
that was unfortunate that I wasn't. I

610
00:44:05,159 --> 00:44:08,880
literally thought, literally thought Ryan was
just going to pack up and leave and

611
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,599
go to wherever he was going.
Okay, so that's a that's a that's

612
00:44:12,639 --> 00:44:15,559
a long story, but the bottom
line was you said it's these stores.

613
00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:19,159
You know what I'm saying. But
it was miscommunication. You didn't realize where

614
00:44:19,199 --> 00:44:21,679
it was and that it was taking
place then, even though you're in the

615
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,440
building, and that was it.
In other words, it was not a

616
00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:28,199
matter of their sour grapes from either
side because of what occurred in the ring.

617
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:34,039
Is the point, not even close
bummed out. I mean, dude,

618
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,679
to listen, you ask any fighter
that I've ever worked with, I'm

619
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,440
by their side when they lose,
especially when they win. I turned them

620
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,199
over to their friends and family,
and they go party, have a great

621
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,599
time. When they lose, I
know, that's when they need more attention.

622
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,920
Okay, and believe you me,
Ryan was getting a lot of attention.

623
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,320
Like I said, Connor McGregor was
there. I couldn't even see Connor

624
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,920
McGregor in that locker room was so
packed, I mean wall to wall,

625
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:05,079
and nobody stopped. Then go,
hey, I want to make a big

626
00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:07,599
announcement. We've got a press conference. But nothing, None of that happened.

627
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:12,559
Nobody pulled me aside, said anything. Nobody texted me while the press

628
00:45:12,599 --> 00:45:15,679
conference was going on, Hey where
are you Joe? I wish I knew

629
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:17,880
I would have texted you myself.
I know, I'm telling you. I

630
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:21,880
was in the building. I was
the last person out and I ended up

631
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,920
walking what I thought was back to
the MGM. It took me another hour

632
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:29,280
and a half. Basically, Yep, it was. It was like I

633
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:35,199
said it was. It was.
It was a horrible, horrible, uh

634
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,920
circumstance that at the end of the
day when I found out that was really

635
00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:45,199
bummed out. And I explained that
to the closest people concerned with Ryan.

636
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:51,239
And that's that. I mean,
if you rather believe me or you don't.

637
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,159
But that's the damn bottom line.
And ask any of my fighters whether

638
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:59,599
I would abandoned them after they lost
a fight. I totally believe you.

639
00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:00,519
As long as I have known you, I do believe you. I just

640
00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:04,519
was asking because there were people that
were curious and like, hey, that

641
00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:07,199
was sort of you know, surprising. And it wasn't just because you weren't.

642
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,840
There was also because of his two
of his promoters. But you've addressed

643
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:14,719
it, and I appreciate it,
and I appreciate you talk. Like I

644
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,039
said, Danny, I mean,
if if if somebody's really interested in the

645
00:46:17,079 --> 00:46:21,679
story there it is. I mean, I I can't you know, I

646
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,159
can understand why people might have gone, hey, let's say, you know,

647
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:28,920
but that and then had nothing to
do with with anything else that was

648
00:46:29,039 --> 00:46:31,480
you know, like I said,
any extension of what right, what Ryan?

649
00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:37,920
Because Ryan knows how how much I
really, you know, I'm concerned

650
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,440
for him and care for him,
so you know, he knows that I

651
00:46:40,119 --> 00:46:44,760
that's not my opinion, my personality. He knows I'm always there. I'm

652
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:51,039
always there, and so uh,
bottom line said guy, I'm bummed out

653
00:46:51,079 --> 00:46:54,400
that that happened. I'm bummed out
that I wasn't there, and um if

654
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:59,119
I wouldn't know, I would have
been there period. Fair enough, Joe,

655
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,880
thank you very much for doing this
deep dive into everything around the fight.

656
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,840
It was such a big deal,
such a big event, that it

657
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,840
needed a little bit of post fight
autopsy, so to speak, so I

658
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:12,800
appreciate it. No, no,
listen, Danny here here here. You

659
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,480
know, I've known you for a
long time. And the reason I don't

660
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:20,360
mind sharing this with you because number
one, I know you're accurate, okay,

661
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,000
and you're fair, and that's all
anybody expects when you, you know,

662
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:35,400
relay personal information public personal um uh
to to the public. And I

663
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:40,000
you know, like I said,
I trust in your professionalism and I've known

664
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:45,360
you for years, and that's good
enough reason for me to share this with

665
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,639
you, and and quite frankly,
anybody else who's interested. Well, all

666
00:47:49,679 --> 00:47:51,760
I can say this is Joe,
thank you very much, and i'd say,

667
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,639
next stop, Canistoda, New York
for the Hall of Fame induction,

668
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:58,599
well deserved, congratulations on that,
and enjoy your trip to the Law of

669
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,599
Well, let's let's hope, Danny, because I understand it's it's it's it's

670
00:48:02,679 --> 00:48:12,119
kind of a a very securitist route
to get to Canastota, and let's just

671
00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:14,519
hope I can find my way there. It is more, it is more

672
00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:19,760
difficult to find Canastota from southern California
than it is to find the MGM from

673
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:25,880
the Team Obile arena. So good
book everybody again and then uh yeah,

674
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:31,119
well we'll be speaking some and I
appreciate uh uh the new in the interview

675
00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:34,119
with you early, do you bet? There you go, everybody that is

676
00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:37,679
Hall of Fame trainer Joe Goose,
and thank you Joe. You got it. Danny