Welcome to softcore History. What is up? Welcome back to softcore History.
It's Halloween, horror month, spooky month, whatever you want to call it.
I am your host for the week, Rob Fox. I'm joined as
always by Dan Rojester. However, Jake Goldman is he loves the show.
Not so dearly departed. He's done. You had off of this bullshit,
this mortal coil that we call softcore history. Shuffled off of it. And
I say that because he shuffles, not doesn't have good body language, good
posture, good speed, yeah, anything anything. He's a shuffler, wouldn't
you say waddler, wadler, a shuffler. Yeah, he's a little he's
a bigger boy. Now all that bread. That's I would say this to
his face. I know you will, you do, and he'll be back
next week. He will. He's not dead, unfortunately, just because I
want him to die, but just because it'd be good for the next two
weeks of content. Well, we would monetize it. Yeah, yeah,
oh my God. Would be at his funeral live streaming. I would live
stream from um. Well, they probably create made him, but if they
did bury him, I would live ours up. Be like Hey, live
from Jake's casket. Yeah, what up? If only he was Catholic?
If you do awake, we could just broadcast with him. I hope you
guys do that for me awake. Yeah, because I'm not going to live
longer for than five years. I don't believe that you will be able to
have an open casket funeral. That's true. I think that's shooting pretty high
for you. Definitely, you'd be able to pull off open casket, that's
true. My head might be like detached from a body altogether. There's like
a weight you just get your head gets crushed in a weight machine or something,
but like an acne anvil. Yeah, or more likely than not,
you're just pulling out onto two ninety where a studio is, and getting an
eighteen wheeler just liquefies you. That's how we're all gonna go, by the
way I supposed to. Not. No, you can talk, that's fine.
I was spooky. Actually, if for the audio people like who is
that? I thought we're in for a two man show. No, No,
we have a lady here. You know her. She's been on the
show many times now. Some of our best episodes. Jesse Wiseman is here.
Hi. I thought you said horror week in its horror Well, I
thought, what's what's more frightening than a promiscuous woman, a woman in charge
of her own body? Scary scary ties. Yeah, she's gotta go.
Um, thank you for having me on guys like your headband. Yeah,
I love a theme. I'll go. I'll go all out for you guys,
and stop at CBS before I come here, Okay, And that's what
I do fore. Yeah. Yeah, I had to pick up some other
stuff and I thought, and it was there, and I said, you
know what, I'm gonna go above and beyond. I love that and just
reach out and grab to get the first thing. Yeah, yeah, first
thing that I saw, and I thought, I'm gonna do it from I'll
be honest, this is probably one of the more impoverished poor people things I'll
ever say. But this is coming from Rob mind you. Yeah, CVS
sometimes pretty decent batier like clothes I bought. I buy socks at Walgreen's What
what dress socks? They've got some good pattern socks like picking up your fucking
pills from the pharmacy. I have on three different occasions bought from Walgreens.
I was about to be ready to agree with him, because I was like,
yeah, for sure, like it's right across from my house, like
maybe food options. Yeah, yeah, it was gonna be like, oh
one selection is not bad selection, I know, and I thought you were
gonna But the one thing that I go, Man, if I ever buy
some clothes, right, shoot me and you go, nope, that's where
I sometimes they have they have good like you won't see it yet because it's
October so it's still ninety five degrees here. But I guess by December,
I'll be wearing pants and they have good just patterned, like kind of dressed
out. He's wearing with your ten of shoes and you know, in pants
or whatever. Great, we're in dress us from c from CVNS Walgreens.
Yeah, I real. He's buying some two buck Chuck Delco. He's been
in dripping for like how he's already a month. I mean he's already super
cunch. Oh yeah, I get MC clothes at the Sea VS. We
had to fucking literally I had to go to the post office to pick up
my mail keys or whatever because in this state or this city, actually it's
not the state. Because we asked her parents about it, and they're like,
what the fuck? Courts parents is very affluent, like totally metropolitan areas
of this state, but yeah, this fucking city or metro area, a
lot of the neighborhoods just have mailbox clusters. They won't bring the mail to
your fucking house. You have to walk out there, like you live in
a goddamn apartment complex, go to your mailbox. I'm sorry, I know,
too good for like a collection of mailbox. All I'm gonna say is
if at a certain price point, don't you feel like or do you are
you just like, yeah, cluster mailbox all the time, Like at a
certain price point, if you spent this money you personally would you be like,
I kind of want just a I'm not asking for much. I'm kind
of already there because I have to walk a half mile to my mailbox.
That's what I'm saying. It's like, and I know that, I know
the post office is federal, and what I'm about to complain about his state,
but with my property taxes so goddamn high, bring my fucking mail to
my fucking door. Listen to you. I mean, he's already got you.
He's always been at the front of my apartment complex, it says luxury
apartments. M doesn't really seem luxury at the front of an apartment. At
the front of any apartment complex, no matter how many homeless people are pooping
and shooting up, it says luxury apartment. There'says like luxury, cosmopolitan,
like the like amazing names that they like. The preserve, yeah, the
preserve languages. It's quite flake lake, no lake, no lake, or
like actually, what the there's like a drainage pond. Yeah, yeah,
they do that and with they'll do that full of mosquito. They'll get pretty
clever with the brook. Oh yes, you know what I it's like,
can't argue. It's just like the gutters full of water. Sure, and
they're like it's a it's a babbling brook. I know. I remember.
I know early on in my time here in Austin, when I still live
in an apartment and with single and everything, i'd go apartment shopping or whatever
when I first first moved here with and you get like a realtor to take
your round. Have you ever done that for apartment shopping? I have not
done that. I was getting my apartments, like yeah, now there's apartment
search firms that give you like a two hundred dollars rebate or something, and
they and they get a commission for sending you basically sure, they don't go
with me, Oh they went with me like I could. I don't even
know the city. They would just send me this and they were just like,
look at all these amenities that you have, like a there's like a
movie room you can rent out, and like this shitty charcoal grill you can
grill at two hundred feet away from your apartment. Knowing now though buying a
house and having you know, having to deal with your realtor, and how
busy they were, right like you know the level well that that real estate
agent had to be at that they were taking someone around to like rent one
bedrooms, right you know that now at the time, you feel like this
is their job, right right? Well, I think there's just a certain
type of person. And I respect this totally. I've been saying I'm a
soft hands on the same way who doesn't get doesn't go to college. But
it's like, I want to work in an office for sure, any likeable,
right, seem respectable, whatever. And those people either work in apartment
complex leasing offices, or they take you around two different Yeah, like that.
It's like that type of person and it's the same type of like they're
on some type of salary. No commission, because if you're wanting to get
commission, you're for sure gonna be like, hey, bro, just get
this place. Yeah, I promise it's the best one. Whatever. Thinking
you to all these different apartments. Literally, it was. It was so
bizarre, it was it was weird. But yeah, anyway, we're not
here to talk about real estate. We're here to talk about spooky things.
And today I'm so happy we have a woman on because I really want to
get your real imctive, that female perspective. Yeah, you're that female perspective
on why. I don't know. They deserved it, probably because we're talking
witches. Well, you brought the right lady on, right, Yes we
did. Like if you wanted anyone to like be on the ladies side,
do not me? Yeah, no joking, you're as I like to say,
and Aunt Karen and Aunt Karen, which you came up with that,
And I don't know if anyone will know it, but I think we should.
We just keep saying it and put it out there. The female white
version of an uncle Tom yeah yeah, and Aunt Karen Trader to your own
January one, getting it. But one day they will be like, we
did that. Someone is going to say that on like MSNBC or something one
god exactly, that was mine exactly. But it's fine. I don't care
because I like there's people that do that. They're like, it's like what,
Oh, I don't even want to give it. I don't want to
call anyone out because so many people do it. But like I remember in
college, we were using the term browning out a lot, and we totally
had come out. We had come up with that on our own. We
came up with that on our own, but it stayed in our circle.
We were we would always say gray out, okay, brown out sounded fucking
gross. Yeah, but we started using the term browning out and then one
day it was on uh it's always sunny, and but like that's not super
clever of a thing, right, do you know what I mean? Like
it's funny, but so we saw it and we're like, oh, they
use it too. At no point where we somehow like yeah, yeah,
yeah, that's what the hell you really want to die on? Is though
we started started brown out well, right, right, But I was saying
like it it sprung up organically amongst me and my friends, and then it
turns out other people use that very logical conclusion of a term I come to
now as a man with Crown's disease. Brennan out is a totally different thing
for me. Is that when I just pass out on the toilet. Yeah,
that's what I always associated. I was like, I don't want to
say browning out just sounds like you shit yourself. Yeah, it sounds like
you got drunken shit yourself. Is that what it was? No, it's
just like you remember parts of the night, but not all the night,
which is how they take said it always sunny too, Okay, but anyway,
whatever this should be you shit yourself. I so drunk you poop brown
out. Do you think anyone that's seen me on the show knows that,
I like, really make it hard for you to get through the story.
No, it's fine. We all do that to each that the whole especially
recently on our review recently that was like it was, it was funny,
but like fucking talk more about the subject. No, No, I've heard
the I mean, fuck you people are like less about the topic more about.
Yeah, just you three as whatever. If you want to know about
it, fucking google it. You're here because you like these two, for
sure. I don't know why you're I'm not usually on even even when Jake's
not here. Rick Cache shots by Jesse. Yeah, I was going,
I was thinking, who are you gonna like direct your hostility? It's hard,
it's really hard. We'll try and point out these women. Oh I
would love too. Yeah. No, that's a great idea. Yeah.
I think that's where aim at the aim at the dead. Yeah. Yeah.
So for my last episode, we talked about the salm less Bury Witches
u which was one of two which trials took place in Lancashire, England in
sixteen twelve. Jesse, you probably didn't hear that episode. Certainly weren't on
that episode. Basically, these are the English version of the Salem which trials
the most famous, which trials in England. Okay, and it's but it's
two. There's the Salmless Fury Witches and whom we're going to talk about today,
the Pendle Witches, and all of these happened around the same Salem was
about I think like eighty seventy years later. But this was the same same
century, sixteen hundreds, but this is early sixteen hundred. Salem was now
if you want to go back and listen to that, it was about three
episodes ago. Uh yeah right, yeah, yeah, three and Jake had
an episode between it. Yeah. So um the Salmlesbury which is who we
talked about last time. To give you a little rundown, Jesse, the
three Salmlesbury witches were accused of turning into dogs and tormenting their accuser okay,
and making their accuser watch them drink in infant's blood until the infant died.
Yes, okay, we uh we actually broke down the best way to drink
blood out of a baby? Well no, Dan, Well yeah, because
Dan's afraid I don't want to be the accusers are saying these are what these
women did, just like out of nowhere. Uh yeah, more started acting
like, well was the teenage girl that accused him. It's always, it's
always, always, always, and don't get me started. Yeah, okay,
carry on drinking well out of the baby. I don't want to be
confused with a pedofi, right, I just want to be a part of
the cold. Dan. We'll happily baby. I actually did see that.
And by the way, I mean that was my first right, was it
not yours? I mean he asked, like where where right? And like
the first thought is like shit, imagine like everyone's in like a blood frenzy,
you know, and they're just trying to get that baby blood as fast
possible, and you just like got to take thigh. That's all that's left,
right, Like it's like you're a you're like a baby dog and you
get the stubby nipple on mom. Not great. You just gotta go,
you gotta go outside. Yeah yeah, but here's the thing. You're hungry.
Yeah, you do it like potato chips. And as I've learned from
having a child, blood in an infant is finite. Quite finite. Yeah,
yep, quite finite. Quite it's like a child on the way,
yep yep. But that's not all. They also tried to make, according
to the accuser, tried to make the accuser drown herself. Then they dug
up the baby that they had drained after they after it was buried in the
cemetery, and use its corpse for ointments. And they also partook in some
orgies with shadow demons. Yes, okay, and this is according to a
teenage teenage girl, a teenage girl talking about check it out and if you
want to know how they got off, Yeah, in a disquieting I have
that written. In a disquieting and surprising twist of fate, these witches were
found innocent and let go. Now. Jesse Dan thinks he knows what happened.
But I've actually I've marinated on it. I have my own theory.
Okay, Well, I'll tell you my theory first, because I think we
may have the same theory. I think we do. Okay, So here's
what happened. Um, after their accuser finished testifying about the evils, these
witches partook in. Uh. The witches fell to the floor and began what
I now believe after further just up review for their view, was they started
a most horrific incantation. They they were out loud casting a spell. Ye
what you thought, That's what I was thinking. He's kind of still my
thunder there. Yeah, I mean I wrote this, it's in here.
I wrote this last night. Uh. They repeated to the court again and
again. Cross examined her. Oh I know that spell? Yeahs too,
Yeah, Cross examine her and eventually their spell compelled the prosecution to turn to
the accuser and ask, are you telling the truth this little witchcraft? Yeah?
And the accuser, the teenage girl, was like, JK, no,
I'm not Wow, pretty standard though, dark stuff, dark stuff,
dark stuff, dark stuff. I didn't know that would work. I know,
A good shame it all the time. A good Christian woman, right
would have let the teenage girl testify, kept her mouth what and taken shut
and let God decide decide what you've just taken what she obviously knew was what
she deserved. If it you know, it's like trial by combat, right,
right. If you win, you're right. If you lose, you
were wrong, you were guilty. Absolutely same thing, trial by only letting
on side testify, Yes, trial by combat, Yes, I love those
kinds. Yeah. Um. And by the way, speaking of the cross
examined thing, whatever happened to believe women that teenage girl? Yet? To
believe all women gets confusing in something like this, doesn't it? Yeah,
Which is why I'm actually hashtag believe nobody because are you a woman first?
Are you witch first? Right? Or? Its just everybody fucked up?
And the definition of true quality is knowing that they're fucked up witches everywhere,
fucked up dudes, just fucking insane, especially people. If it's a person,
there's ability. Please. I know you. I knew you would.
What we've met, never met a mistake ever. Ah, Adam didn't eat
the apple, did he? During this time? I think that was like
granted, was a part of Adam. It was his rib, So I
guess technically Adam did eat that apple, right? Do you think that's where
the It's kind of funny Actually Adam took out had a rib removed so he
could get his dick sucked the original Marilyn Manson, Yeah, right, because
he wasn't getting his dick sucked before that rib was. He was like starting
to he only got one out. Fine, Yah, She's like fine,
I will. Now that's an urban legend for white people, but apparently it
crosses cultures but with different people. Who was it for for black people to
cool? Jay? Really? And why did why did we not hear about?
I don't know, it just never got around. It was pre Twitter
obviously. So is there a Mexican one? There's gotta be. Is it
like Wizamo or like Denny Treyho Maybe a tray No, no, because it's
gotta be you gotta it's you gotta track it. Right. So there was
a large segment of people who thought Marilyn Manson was a freak and weird.
And I think in the black community with El cool j you gotta think the
main thing is like he's too like perfect and pretty something because he's kind of
like who just kind of like soft faced, you know what I mean,
Like he's like jacked but neck up. He's kind of terribic, you know
what I mean, it's kind of like a cupid face. So he is
I believe, the first black man to survive a horror movie. Really Deep
Blue Sea spoilers, I mean, that was a bad one. But racistly,
wasn't he the cook? He was the cook? Racistly, although Samuel
Jackson with scientists and he it's eaten. Yeah, yeah, it's just funny.
It would be funny if he was the only black guy in the movie
and he was the cook. Okay, so we can't buy smart sharks,
or we can buy smart sharks, but like obviously the black guy on the
boat's got to be a cook, right, Yeah, no one will go
with any other story. But Jackson was there too. Yeah, that's a
common trope. Black guys get oft in horror movies, so do if you're
you know, permi, if you have sex, you will also die in
a horror movie. Damn. The only thing that could have made Scream better
is if because they were going through the rules of horror movies. I know,
as if they had killed like a black guy first, you know what
I mean, Because they were killing by the rules of horror movies. So
it's like sluts of the innocent girl alone and everythink they should have just literally,
yeah, egregiously oft one black friend in the art Like, look,
we're only following the rules, right, I don't know what to tell you.
The pure innocent girl survived. It just went from a perfect movie to
a near perfect movie in my eyes now. Yeah, used to think thanks
a lot, sad um, but yeah, So these witches got off under
mysterious circumstances, no doubt. But that was not the only which Charlotte took
place in Lancashire at the time. There was kind of a big witch hullabaloo
just around the country. King James the First was the king at the time.
He was obsessed with rich whitches and the devil. He actually wrote a
whole book called Demonology. Okay, so he was an expert on demons and
it was really just people like being a little bit off or having a bad
day, right um or one time shit, like really for real demon stuff
and who King James. Yeah, I mean he wrote about like he got
pretty in detail about things. Yeah. It was like gluten allergies. Yeah,
the wheat of the Lord's earth yeah, yeah, rejects the man or
woman asthma mm hmm. If the heir, if the Lord's air right can
breathe there, yeah, must die. Yeah, I mean it's pretty it's
pretty obvious. Stff. That one is obvious. Sorry anybody, if you're
Italian, Well, that's just because they're annoying. Yeah. So while the
Sumlessburies Witches escape justice, the Pendle Witches still awaited trial right. Uh.
Fortunately for everyone, the evidence against them was perhaps even more compelling and the
evidence against the Sumlessbury Witches. Uh. The twelve witches accused lived in Pendle
Hill, which is another area of the County of Lancashire, England. Uh.
Six of the Pendle Witches were from one of two families, and each
of these families were headed by a woman in her eighties, i e.
A woman who already looked like a witch, right right, which is ninety
percent of the evidence you need. Yeah, right, just an old,
warty, broken down woman sixteen hundreds in the eight Yeah. Bro, that's
a rough life. Yeah, I mean at that point, you're just like
your clothes are more urine than than anything. Teeth, yeah, whatever,
teeth they're left. Yeah, your body starts to like grow roots into the
ground like a tree. It's insane what we can do now to preserve I
think about like my grandma was in a nursing home. One of my grandmas
was in a nursing home before she died. Later, what why'd you hate
her? Well? I didn't my parents did parents. I loved her,
I thought, not enough to take her under your I was in college.
I couldn't do anything. I'm sure. I'm sure he asked to the dorm.
Yeah, but I mean definitely, well I was, you know,
she come to the fraternity house actually, But I mean I guess there were
a couple of times. I you know, if I just didn't ask my
parents for money, they could have put her somewhere nicer. But like,
at the same time, like I don't know, like I was out of
mine, you know, I was out of money, and you know it's
fine, Cord, That's what we all do. Sorry, right, not
inla. She probably didn't know my grandfather was also in the home. Yeah,
no, it just doesn't we don't do it in the same He also
didn't know where it was exactly. And it's kind of just like, look
she did, oh she did. I'm gonna find you someplace nice. Most
I can do for you. Osh, well she You know what they say
about nursing homes. Are you asking? My grandma was getting railed, but
she live in her best life. I doubt it, to be honest,
And I'm not saying that because this my grandma. I doubt it, do
you? This was like an old home. This wasn't like people in their
seventies that down eighty five. No, no, no, I would walk
into this home. I'm telling you, like like they're they're a nursing homes
there. It was visiting day. Yeah, there are nursing homes that are
like retirement communities, you know what I mean, for people who can't afford
their own little condo. Right, But it's still like a fuck city,
Okay, yeah, and then there's this place which was like borderline medical.
She was probably getting her hip dislodged. Whatever. Sure, my grandma was
getting fucking I'm just saying if another older dude could walk, Yeah, he
was in there. Yeah that's fair. Sure, one side of the bed
whatever, what have you there? Your grandma was like an old country buffet.
No, bob, we're just talking about your grandma, okay, if
that's all right? Right, only her railed in the nursing home and likely
the bed she died in. Yes, now you're getting it. Perhaps before
you're getting it. Now you're getting it cause of death. I don't know.
Happy, right, Yeah, Yeah, I'm sorry. I think they
had like a good relationship. You were like almost bringing her home. Probably
probably the last time I cried over to death. Pretty cool, guys.
How long ago was that? I was in college? Yeah, it's been
a long enough. Yeah, I'm not upset. I don't care. Yeah,
my grandma's pussy was getting smashed. Whatever you said it, dude,
you're sick. Fuck, come on, yeah, I'm sure sure, call
her anything weird? Did you call her anything like? No? No,
it was just grandma, Yeah, just grandma to and so actually we have
that current debate going on with my family. My wife and child, like,
what are you gonna call the Well, yeah, grandparents and her parents
have names, and my parents are grandma and grandpa Fox. Yeah. And
she was like, why why don't you want them nicknames? I was like,
because when he's twenty, I don't want him to be like I miss
my people so much. Right, well, you gotta start coming up with
names for like the step grandparent. Right, he's a grandpa. Text that's
good, She's call him big texts. Yeah, yeah, you know it's
something texts. Yeah, whatever, Yeah, that's good. But we have
the same thing, so that might be pretty normal. Like my hippie parents
side are like whatever, you know, And then his parents are like,
it is literally only going to be grandma and grandpa. And if I hear
any other yeah, I'm slapping. Yeah no, I'm just kidding. I'm
not rewarding you for being bad at speaking English up to a certain point.
Ye, right, And I think they're just more like it makes them feel
older or like different, do you know what I mean? If it's like
grandma, that's cool, Like I could handle that, but I'm not gonna
I'm not gonna go down the gam gam road. You can't. And game
game is like a good one, yeah, yeah, an easy one.
Yeah. Yeah. God, it's just like you can't. Look, you
can't take an adult seriously, that's like no, I know they would just
like that. They would still say it. Yeah, it's like Pope,
pope memo. So thankfully when your grandma died from being railed or whatever it
was, we know, yeah, yeah, you were people gam gam you
know what I mean. You're like my grandma, yeah, grandma or whatever.
And maybe she or like you said, she died during sex. She
died looked like you know, cloud after cloud after you hang and beat a
carpetright, just a cloud of dust. Absolutely, and good for her.
And that's the most that you can wish for. I suppose god, damn
it. Uh, thank god. My other grandmother died quickly and violently falling
down some stairs. Stop. My great grandfather, Yeah, that's real.
My dad's grandfather got electrocuted to death during a goddamn flood. Are you serious?
In his basement. He went down to get the meat, and the
water was just all younger. He was younger, yea. And then it's
not open casket no, and then I believe my mom's or my dad's mom,
uh got hit by like a truck. That's how you're gonna go.
I'm gonna go out death and your families. Yeah, I have like dementia
induced death, which is like Grandma falling down the stairs. And then also
my other grand I got two faults. I'm totally gonna fall and die.
That's my grandpa. He didn't die from the fall, but he fell hit
his head on the concrete when he's like eighty five, and obviously brain's not
for sure it's gonna work, okay, So he lasted another like two three
years after that, just rapid decline. Oh my gosh, mine died the
old fashioned booze and SIGs. Dude, I like that. I mean,
I guess, but my last stories are kind of cruel. Yeah, you're
not fall Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna go out violently and also in an
entertainment fashion. Can see Rob going out with like lou Gerrig's disease. I'm
not gonna get it. First off, als is genetics, so that's not
gonna happen unless I get like eight concussions. Mine are the ones that like
my parents then used to be like she fucking smoked cigarettes and drank straight vodka
till she was ninety nine during eight biscuits and grape. So like their death
kind of is used to justify any bad behavior in my family. So I
have that. I mean, I'm kind of the same way. All of
my grandparents made it past ninety except for the one who fell and hit his
head and made it to like eighty six technicality, Yeah, exactly exactly,
So I got all I gotta do is, you know, watch my step
in parking lots and and live in a ranch home, right, and you
can like drink the same yeah whatever, yeah, eat however you want,
and then ones are there worst case scenario. I'm just a little forgetful,
sure, which might be nice sometimes I think, so, yeah, I
want to remember. Just play it off like you have Alzheimer's. Yeah,
I honestly might just fake it. Not Alzheimer's, but dementia, because those
are two separate things. Dementia's just like so dementia is funny because it's like,
oh, it's the thing. It's like, no, it's just your
brain's old. Yeah, I got an old brain. Yeah, we're not
going to cure that, right, But you know, you can manage it.
It's fine. Just be the old guy at the gym, your advantage.
Yeah, exactly, tends to forget about things and just stares directly at
all the girls squadding. Yeah exactly, it's Grandpa's old. He doesn't know.
He's not even looking at you, right, he doesn't even see that
far and right of him. Grandpa does, and he takes the energy back
home to a much less satisfying body, right, but similarly warmhole. Yeah,
just just bring it all back around to do your grandma getting Yeah,
fucking plaid. I'm sorry, grandma, not because he's thinking about the twenty
year old that's squadding at lifetime. Right, you're right, you take that
image back. It's like that scene in the Blade Runner sequel where the hologram
Chick, an ad armist, puts herself over the other like still really hot
chick. Oh yeah, yeah. It's like we're just the episode of Black
Mirror where they can just record everything in their brains and watch it while they're
having sex. So they're just thinking of or they're watching themselves have sex with
another person. As a head sex, I just mount my cell phone on
the headboard. That sure was about us. I just put that cellf on
on the headboard on Instagram profiles that are can you Yeah, imagine Courtney does
the same. Probably I can't imagine because I would never do it. Yeah,
Corney actually makes him wear a mask. No, we just mounted a
television on the ceiling and it just plays. Uh what if she actually she's
was trouble that we live in rig Springs because she loves Coach Taylor. Oh,
I could take her to Home Depot and we could meet up. Yeah.
I actually can't wait to come back from Home Depot one time when she
has come with me and I'm gonna tell her that Coach Taylor was there.
Yeah, I saw him. That's how Kyle Taylor. Yeah you will too.
It's where every time I go star of what Netflix is Bloodline? I
know I did love him in Bloodline. It's only good for an one season,
Yeah, exactly, good and everything. It's good everything. Anyway,
back to the Pendle Witches. Sorry, so these women were in their eighties.
They look gross and old. So they already looked like which is one
of the old bats. Elizabeth Southern's aka Elizabeth dem dem Dykes Demdike's kind of
like the family name, but these women have like different last names. Dem
Dykes. Uh good. She had been regarded as a witch in the area
for over fifty years, and there have been an outbreak of witchcraft in Pendle
recently. It was contagious. Yeah, yeah, it is. They encourage
each other. Right, It's kind of like currently how everyone just thinks mental
illness is cool. Yeah, right, and everyone has mental illness, everyone
has anxiety or depression. Just so it was probably like that for witchcraft.
Yeah, I agree, although I'm fine with the mental illness stuff. Yeah,
trying to get cloud and we'll learn that in this episode. Oh yes,
So these women, these two families of poor women, they were poor
families. Uh, they made their living in part through healing, being healers.
So already kind of on the edge, you know what I mean,
girl, don't get into healing. There's a lot of healers out the tank.
You to fucking you, try to burn you, you try to date
in Austin nowadays, most of those girls are healers. It's a little bit
upsetting that we don't. We aren't meaner to healers now. We should be
now, Yeah, don't think I just don't believe meaner now than we were
back then, because back then it's like we don't fucking maybe the science isn't
there to back it up, right, so sure you can't do your own
research exactly. Literally, it's like, all right, fine, I'll drink
that go blood whatever, because the literal doctor is trying to put leeches on
me and I can't tell the fucking difference between your two solutions exactly, so
fine, and so they come by it honestly, right, right, But
now when we know better now, I think maybe bringing at the stake.
I don't know. I'm I don't think snorton shaved coppers like the move,
right. I I mean, when you were telling Georgia not to eat metal,
I just saw this thing. That's like people took too much of that
colloidal silver ship. Yeah, his ex girlfriend would just feed him so right
up their skin turned blue. So I'm just saying, but whatever, whatever,
maybe that's what you want. Fair. Oh you're having wine. I
thought you weren't having anything hitting me. Now she's shrinking rose. Okay,
perfect, thank you, and then a beer. I'll take a water,
yea sweetheart, you bitch. Stupid, I don't know, stupid, so
dumb it's so stupid morning. Or do you do two days work out in
the fucking morning like a so crowded? I'm alone wolf boy, That's fine.
I mean I do prefer to when I do exercise to do it at
night, Like I'd rather go for a run at night than in the morning.
Also, my body's like a if I do it too early in the
morning, everything aches. Okay, my whole body hurts. It's fair.
Yeah thing, what a sweet should a sweetheart? Talking about the auto focus
though, Um so, these poor families made their living in part through healing.
Uh see also witchcraft. I mean that's witchcraft. But what wasn't witchcraft?
Back down in terms of medicine. So they the dem Dyke and Chattick's
family women, they used a mix of like herbal medicine, herbal medicine,
talisman's. Do you know what a talisman is? No? Uh, It's
essentially like giving someone like a pendant or a rock or whatever, and like
this is magic, hold onto it a crystal. Oh okay, yeah,
like on the thing whatever. It's like giving it to keep this on you
and you won't get a tumor. Yeah yeah again, peopill do that.
Yeah, they have those pink salt lamps. Should we literally have like this
certain crystal that you need for whatever you're like dealing with. Let's find control
healing groups on Facebook half where it's like, guys, I found a tumor
on my baby, and I just I do not trust the doctors by the
way, like it would be like, yeah, we got you. My
baby's brain tumors pushed the ear out a solid fucking four inches, and I
just I need a good crystal recommendation, something I can hammer right into his
ear right. Yeah, well you know this, Jesse, But I'm an
anti vaxer as a dog dad, Okay, mainly because I'm just too lazy
to take him to the vet. What are you really against it? No,
oh, I just have it. He hasn't gotten a vaccine in like
four years. Okay, Yeah, that his dogs. His dog's heart is
more worm than muscle at this point, right now, that's a lie.
That's kind of they're just trying to sell you pills at that point. You're
not giving a fucking heart or medication. No not lord. Uh, all
the dog lovers who listen to this show, please dm Dan about that.
He's thirteen. There's that's worse. It's worse. It's worse. Old people
need medicine, you can, Yeah, you can get away with that with
like a four year old maybe. Dog. Oh my god, that's actually
a fun fact about the Uh you would have burned so many witches, Bob,
Yes, yeah, okay, um so yeah, but all that,
oh, talisman's and charms, which is basically another version of talisman kind of
to treat all sorts of ailments whatever. But that two people back then,
somehow that was sketchy medicine, whereas normal mainstream medicine was again, I don't
leeches blood letting exactly, weird saying cycles back drilling holes like blood letting.
Yeah, just sometimes you just if you're if you're a little crazy, sometimes
you just need a little little air out of the brain. Well we kind
of do that now, right. We have blood boys Silicon Valley. They
blood of bloodletting. Well, you let your blood out and you pump yourself
full more blood. That's blood replacement. They didn't weren't able to do any
of that. It was literally like, let's just get a little of this
blood out of you, bud. You should feel better. It's like you've
got too much. You've got too much, too much blood. Maybe you
want to get a little and you would and you will, yeah, right
before you die. Given blood is weird, man. I one year,
I twice in college because if you were in a fraterious sorority you had to
get blood twice a year for like homecoming in Greek week. It's like a
part of those It was like a weird stipulation. It was part of the
competition, so you got points for doing okay to win. Always a competition,
always, And like two years I passed out while doing it, Like
I was just like didn't have enough blood in me, I guess. And
it was like like halfway through not because of the needle, like halfway through
us for sure, you're a college kid. Like, by the way,
how many times did that happen from like not eating right, not drinking enough
water, drink you know what I mean. Definitely not the needle, though,
wasn't that wasn't the needle. He's too masculine to pass out from that,
Yes, very much so. But then it probably was like a little
bit. I don't like it. I fucking hate it, Like no,
I'm like really yeah, I hate getting like a shot a shot is fine
because that's a little baby needle. But the one in the fuck that shit.
I've seen a lot of the inside of me to the point that it
doesn't really affect me anymore, right, Like I've seen bones go through my
leg. We've gotten a lot of like ivs right just because of whatever,
So have I And I want to ask you, like, can you tell
when the person is going to be able to do it? Yes, yep,
immediately, immediately when they're walking the room, you can see you just
it's something about even if they're acting like it's a swagger about them, it's
something where I just go, oh, man, I'm gonna fucking bruise and
you're gonna miss the like that. Now what do you do, sorry,
Like, what do you do when someone walks in and they look a little
shaky with your epidural? Now that would be that's a no did that happen?
Oh? No not? But I mean, like for your next bag,
for example, cheer a fuck you dude, bogo buy one, get
one snippet. But typically the best nurse for an IV it's like late thirties.
You know, she's done her time and it is you know, a
little weathered about over her job, but late thirties weather, I would go
forties even like I say, late thirties, early forties. But you know
you can tell she's already over being a nurse, right yep, but she
has it downpat like yep. It's what what you want them to do is
know your body but not care about it. Yes, right exactly. Kind
of give you an attitude like you are. You are almost if you're a
fleshy machine and they know right where all your parts are and they're just gonna
when they're like asking, like like I don't want them to ask. If
they ask me like which side whatever I go, why don't you fucking know?
Ye? If they ask where it's a bad sign? Which side do
you know? Which side? Or like hand or aren't like up her arm
and she just picks the spot, she'll see the thing you are. He
sees it. I got it right here, And I'm like, sweet,
you surrender, you going to get right in there. Yeah, they own
you. Yeah, you're not in charge of your body. I don't want
to give a fuck like they don't want to hear like, oh what's the
arm that you like? They don't fucking care. Yeah, I've had that
like a fresh nurse like kind of bend it inside me. It was awful.
Yeah. I've had where they like thought that they got it but or
just was like we'll see and then it's just like a big bulge right there
in your arms. So it's full dude, Sorry, go ahead anyway,
So they were practicing the sketchy medicine and that led to accusations of sorcery.
The main accusers teenage back in girl women just other women, just other women,
women and women on women, women be hating their own. This is
so perfect. They never support It's so fucking perfect. The best part though,
throughout history, they've never supported their own, these women, And this
is why you will continue to lose one hundred percent. You dude, I'm
on your side, you know I am. Yeah, you picked the right
She's a winner. She picked the right side. I've literally completely agree.
Yeah. But more specifically, the people accusing the chatticks Is and Demdikes were
the chattics Is and Demdikes because you see, like, okay, they were
healers and other stuff, which means they were competing businesses. Yes, eliminate
the competition. They were rival families, well, rival poor families, which,
by the way, I don't understand the point of being a rival family
if you don't have money. Yeah, what what someone's going to roll the
trailer parking? Yeah, exactly for what? There's no point. That's so
true. And there's so many rivals, like rival families were like, what
are you there? Good fighting over dude? Literally nothing. I rather be
king of the rats than just another rat. I guess man, I think
I'd rather just go live my if I was a Selco speak right there.
Yeah that is yeah, that's straight up Delco. I'll fight for this fucking
Do you know what I think your best case scenario is in life? Okay,
let's hear it. Have you seen have you seen Mystic River? No,
Sean Penn and Mystic River? Oh good, Yeah, I don't know
what that means. There's just that part at the end where what's her what's
that actor's name? She's so good? All right? So for those in
a movie, give us like the kind of synopsis? What what do I
know? That's a senator? I'm like, what do I achieve? What
is best case scenario? You're the toughest guy in a poor neighborhood. Yeah,
that's not I like, the most successful, toughest guy in like a
a poor neighborhood where where success is Oh, Marcia game measured? Oh yeah
yeah, she's probably measured in just like how badass? Yeah yeah. And
Sean Penn's just sitting there in a tank top all jack, smoking a cigarette,
wondering if he was like, wondering if he Yeah, he's king of
the block. Literally the blood literally and he had just killed this guy he
was pretty sure murdered his daughter, but then was like, oh, he
definitely didn't. And she was like it doesn't matter now she's in Boston.
She's like, it doesn't matter now you're king of the block. Bos strong,
You gotta be strong for the whole block. The same thing, Yeah,
the same two sides of the same coin. And I love that for
you, do you know what I mean? Part of me wishes I was
in that blue collar life. Absolutely what's stopping you? You would be literally
of the block. And he's just sitting there like getting hyped up for this
like king speech and then like and then I'm like, dude, your entire
house is made out of plastic siting and you don't even have a yard,
Like, what the fuck are you king, I know, but like the
other people don't even have the sighting right, work in construction, playing some
Beer League softball, like ended up with a girl I went to like junior
prom with. Yeah, well does happened? Later we'll have to get missed
out later, we'll have to get you to scream? Is that my daughter
in there? Yeah, we'll just see, we'll just see if like we're
right. I'll show you the clip later you'll enjoy it. Maybe we'll show
it on the Patreon to continue it. So they were competitors not only in
healing the chattics Is in the dem Dikes, but also in begging and extortion
somehow ladies, I guess perfect gypsies. Yeah they're kind of gypsy people,
but they're not literally gypsies. But yeah, so maybe they're kind of thinking,
you know, those if those bitches get off my street corner, that's
more pennies in my family cup, right, right. So the dem Dikes
were also not really too fond of the chattics Is because in sixteen oh one,
a member of the Chattis family broke into their house and stole like what
today would be like one hundred and fifty dollars worth of stuff. Okay,
which again that's some king of the block shit, And it's one of those
things where I mean, I'm not going to get too far ahead. But
in the same way that people were maybe using a couple me two things,
was like, look, I know how I can get these motherfuckers. Yes
witch, Yeah, I mean people are all fucking talking about that. You
got to think that was a normal thing at the time to be like,
oh, witch, I'm gonna accuse you of being a witch. I will
write to the fucking courthouse. Look at you. You're ugly. You've got
to leave me. I'm not you. You've got spices in your pocket.
That's questionable. I'll go right to the poorhouse. You do it to a
guy too, it's a John Proctor. Yeah. Oh. Men. Men
die in witch trials all the time. Why because they also get accused of
being witches or helping witches, being in league with witches. Okay, like
being all we're also being a witch, being a wizard. I guess they
still just called as I know. The worst death of anyone in the Salem
witch trials was an old man actually, the one they got crushed by a
rock. He got crushed to death, so he would not he wouldn't admit
to being a witch because he was an ornery old man and he was like,
I'm not a goddamn witch. You try and get any of our like
like old Grandpa's to admit anything, right, So they kill the fucking death
with the rocks. Well, know what they do is they don't beat you
to death of it. They put a rock on you and they're like you
still think, still say you're not a witch, and he's like, I'm
not a witch and they're like okay, they put another rock on you,
like you're still not a witch, and he's like, I'm not a guy.
I'm not gonna fucking sam with which I'm not a fucking So they just
keep stacking rocks until he gets crushed to death. So cool, pretty rad.
Yeah, Well, if they ran out of rocks and he was just
still holding, you just get fatties, I guess from the town. Yeah.
I mean I think they came with enough to kill someone. So if
you didn't, then it made certainly an old man. Yeah, it almost
proves that you are, Yeah, take too much to get crushed. You're
a witch and they have to kill you in a different way because you're for
sure a witch. Actually, what's funny is he wouldn't admit it, and
the way witches were killed was much more humane. You didn't get burned by
the English. Okay, so the English law didn't burn wishes. That's more
of a mainland europe thing. Like what did they do? They hung them?
Yeah, okay they hung them. Um so Jonah Varca burnt she did,
and I was buy the English. But that was before because right because
she wore men's clothing. Yes, that was actually what she got executed for.
I was wearing men's clothing. I noticed those pants, Jesse. I
mean, I've got a blazer. This is a lot of problem but yeah,
a lot of problematic ship going from CSS on right now. Yeah,
exactly, I've got those super soft good goods from CVS. Dude. Now,
I want to make it clear, I'm not buying like microwaveable socks at
CVS, like I'm an old person in a trailer park. They're just cool.
There's no way to defend it. It's fine, but you're I'm gonna
keep doing it. You're buying your like suit like nice suit socks there.
Sometimes I mean I don't wear it. I don't usually wear him with a
suit because I lack any event to ever wear a suit too. But yeah,
I wear them, I'll wear them. I'm not surprised. We're gonna
play a game. We're gonna play a game called Later, like in an
episode or two. Maybe we'll do a urpr or whatever where it's gonna be
like, guess which of these are from CVS. No, that's a good
one. And I will you Brooks Brother socks that I have, Jay Cruise
socks that I have and CBS socks, and I guarantee you won't get it
right. I can't wait. I will say, though it is a step
up as a man who probably has not worn socks for like eight years.
True, because you were just wearing boat shoes, wearing sperries. Yeah.
So, like because it was Halloween, I was gonna maybe come dressed as
Jake, but then I was gonna be it was like, do I go,
like, do you do the impression of Jake? Do you do the
voice? The bro voice? Oh? Huh yeah, I mean I don't
know, I don't know. I don't know. Um, like me and
Katie usually with our costume, he has oh man what is. He's different.
It's not quite a bro usually no, no, no, no,
his voice is full bro, but his personality is and like yeah kipsterry.
Yeah, so so what did someone he liked he like put He's like bro,
he's like bro face on you know what I mean? Like he looks
and sounds like a robe. Yes, but he's not. But he's not.
But he's really not. Yeah. I mean he can be about like
Collegurtball, but that's about it. It'll come out every once in a while.
Yeah, but yeah, that's my only do you like? My impression
is just him not knowing. I do not know. I don't know.
That's all you need to do, right, It works. He doesn't know.
I don't know. Very rarely does he very rarely doesn't ever know.
Right, But it's a it's it's cute and endearing and you know, Jake,
it's so funny. Yeah. I do love his voice. I do
love the disconnect between his voice and his great character. And as much as
I give him shit, it'd be like if I mean, it's like it's
almost like like an l Woods situation. Sure you know what I mean?
Yeah, Yeah, it's like she gets into Harvard Law. But she looks
and sounds like how she looks and sounds exactly like he's baking bread, Like
I don't so shit, bro like, like I would never say this to
his face. But he's a great guy. Same like, you know,
I hope he doesn't watch this. I'm saying like good things about him and
like we have a thing where I can't do that, so I hope he
doesn't listen. Now, he's great guy. Bread looks awesome, The bread
is Joe bread is good. You know, great job, great wife.
Right, he's got everything, He's got everything. Um, Okay, moving
on from that. Aside the Pendle witch trials, despite all the back and
forth accusing and everything like that that happened, there was a specific inciding incident,
okay, that screwed these witches over. I guess. The good and
kind gentleman John Law, a peddler aka traveling salesman, happened to be in
the area, just a good, god fearing man trying to make a living
sure. Unfortunately for him, he crossed paths with Elizabeth Demdike's granddaughter, Alizon
device named no doubt because she was a device of the devil or devisive in
court no. I think everyone was pretty united about her in court. Her
of all people, as you'll find. Okay, um Alason asked the good
and kind and it's a l i z o n oh okay, See,
I thought you were saying fucking Alison weird now now Alazon, Alison, Alazon
Alason. We give couples now a hard time for the names they pick,
but back in the day just threw anything out. Yeah sounds it's spelled like
a Narni, a lion, you know what I mean? Alazon? Oh
Alazon? Yeah, oh good, Alazon brought it in the save of the
day. She was saving no one though. Alison uh asked the good and
kind and humble, hard working, christ fearing gentleman John Law for some metal
pins. At this time, metal pins were often used in witchcraft for love
spells, divination, uh and healing warts or healing warts or whatever. This
is pre industrial revolution, so these are handmade you know what I mean.
Isn't like factory made pins. Sharp metal pins, Yeah, like you would
maybe sewing or whatever. But they were also used for other stuff like case
and you could I guess maybe like popples or no, for the love spells
and stuff, maybe you need to prick a blood, that type of thing.
Whatever. So she asked him for some metal pins. But this literal
uh angel on earth, John Law was suspicious of the request, as he
should have been. The ratty, this ratty suspicious woman asking him for metal
pins, which everyone knows is for witchcraft. She loves like a witch.
She wants literally just like someone being like hey man, yeah, and she's
asking yeah she or I'm sorry. Accounts of vary, but Law's son Abraham
Abraham claims that she was asking Law just an honest working man who goes to
church every Sunday. She just give her the pins. She just begging for
pins. Alison claims Yeah. Alison, who comes from a family of beggars,
claims she was going to pay for them. Who knows how You're right?
Yeah exactly, Um with gipsy tears do yeah exactly, idiot. Uh
Law, though, smart man that he is, said no, get away
from me, went on his way down the road. Twaiter bitch, Yeah,
I'm done with you garbage. Then, as Alison was standing there Matt
about not getting a hand out, a black dog with flaming eyes appeared.
Okay, the dog spoke English and was like, this is the this is
the modern translation of it. Give me to fuck him up. I believe
he literally said, according to testimony, do you want me to lame him?
That's what the dogs at. What fucking world are we in? Which
is world? When you're fucking make them ups? You guys? Okay,
so she said, well check it out. Most of history is make them
up. Yere by the winners. He's not saying right, No, that's
true. Yeah, he's not saying it's her right yeah. And Alison was
like, yeah, okay. And then she watched John Law stroke out,
Oh he had a stroke, dropped into the muddy road, and was just
by staring into the dog's eyes. No, the dog was like, we
don't fuck him up, and she was like yeah. And then and then
John didn't even have to do anything like with his mind. Was like cool.
Did he become like a smoke monster that penetrated the man's mind? No,
man, it's just it's a dog knows what he's doing. I think
the dog was just able to like, look, if I'm going into this
world, I'm going into the world right, get into it in his in
his mind, the dog just seems like an unnecessary vessel. No, so
the dog was we talked about this last time. You might sit off of
her and puts it on something else as far as like if you're if you're
going to court or what have you. Well, no, no, no,
actually it makes it worse. I have the dog there. So we
talked about this last time. You want to remember on the sum story,
which is episode a common thing in English which folklore. There was a very
different mainland Europe, Catholic Europe especially, but mainland Europe in general had a
different interpretation of what whitches did than than English. In the englisphere and according
to the English, which is usually had what they called a familiar, which
is an animal companion who could speak to them. Think like Salem the cat
there um, that type of thing. So this was a familiar that turned
out to be uh, the same type of familiar they talked about Lair.
It was her grandmother's familiar. Okay, dog with flaming eyes by the name
of Ball, Ball, Ball, the dog all the dog, Yes,
we get alas it was also the devil, but we don't get the person's
names alas on. But they go with ball yeah, but the dog.
Yeah, that's where we lose the creativity. Okay, look, you gotta
you know that's as much. So Law had a stroke, but despite that,
he did manage to get up and make his way to an end to
seek help and rest or whatever. So he gets the end stroked out,
He stroked out and crawled his way. Basically. Yeah. So upon seeing
upon seeing Law stroke out, Alison was like, holy shit, I have
powers. Okay. So here's the thing. We don't know if the dog
was there for sure one way or the other. We certainly don't know if
it had flaming eyes or not. Yeah, if it's gonna be he is
confirmed. Though, is that Law is that als An asked Law for the
pins. They only dispute whether or not it was for free. That Law
said no, That Law then walked away. That Law had a stroke.
This is sure, absolutely true. We are connecting. And Alison watched him
have a stroke and was like, ha ha, oh my god. Okay,
the power I have powers. Whether the dog is there or not irrelevant,
She was like to watching Law have a stroke convinced Alison that she had
magical powers. Open and shutcase, Johnson, Right, yeah, and that
that will come into play later. Law meanwhile, though He had no suspicions
of Alison causing a stroke. He was just like, well I had a
stroke. That sucks really near him? Right, No, he was down
a little bit down. Mean, you could see him. I don't know
how far. I don't know if he was like us to the door or
us to the and I will, but I will say, you guys do
soft pre history, so you probably encounter this a lot. Where like back
in the day, coincidences were like not really thought of in that way.
No, they were like trying to be very often trying to find meaning in
imagining coincidence, which would spawn some weird ass shit. Right. Imagine if
everyone lived their life the way you do. Not you but like the royal
you do when you're upset and a song you like comes on the radio and
you think it's a sign exactly right, Like they just needed. They were
trying to find real meaning, an explanation for every Yes, which is a
dangerous place to be right, not ideal will either blame weird people or come
up with insane shit. Start, yeah, start to believe magic is everywhere,
God is real. Whoa that it doesn't happen? Now it definitely does.
Um, I think I don't think much, but yeah, I think
people try to see you know, gets sound annoying, I guess maybe,
and then it gets dangerous, it does. People do it the same way
now, it's just it's not really like religious anymore. But it's like,
you know, you're such a systemic racism or the deep state or you know
what I mean, or what are you meaning? I'm just saying, like,
what's what's your song? Girl? Yeah, also that people do,
but like, uh, you're right, you're right. I was just trying
to think. I just want to you know. I think back in the
day it was a lot, a lot more problematic, but we can argue
that for sure. I think it's problematic now. Well what we'd like to
say is shit don't change. So people try to put these overarching things onto
life. They try to organize life, and I think, oh, man,
I can't remember the exact quote, but um, just to get a
little deep here and I apologist kind of, you know, please don't it's
a little too philosophical. But at the end of Avengers two, Age of
Altron of Good spoilers that good I actually skipped talking about as Grandma or yeah,
okay, go ahead, Um, vision talks about how humans think order
and chaos are opposites. Okay, but they're not. But really, but
they're not. There are two sides of the same coin. Yeah, exactly,
but they're not. Yeah. Yeah, it's a great speech, really
good philosophical piece of filmmaking. Um, yes, I would check it out,
some of our best work, I think. So I already get too
deep, guys, Um, but yeah. Law had no suspicion of Alison
doing anything. He was just like, oh, I had a stroke.
I'm old, walk a lot, you know, sometimes you have a stroke.
Because she wasn't around she stroked out right, She was the one that
was trying to find the meaning in the last point of contact though. Yeah
well yeah yeah. So somehow, for some reason, Law's son Abra Right,
No, so Law's son Abraham came into town to um, you know
about his dad, and for some reason he brought Alison to see his stroked
out dad. In the end a few days later, and Alison, upon
seeing her stroke stroke victim and already being convinced that she had powers. I
guess he was pretty stroked out because she felt really bad and confessed to giving
John while at the stroke. I thought she was going to go in and
finish the job right. No, she had a heart of gold. She
realized that she couldn't handle her powers with great power. One stroke and she
gives it out and she was like, oh my god, Twitter, your
face isn't moving. Half your face isn't moving. This is terrible. I'm
so sorry I did it because you wouldn't give me the pins. She's not
about that life. Yeah, I couldn't handle it, couldn't handle a stroke
victim. So she straight up thought she gave this guy a stroke and begged
for forgiveness. And I have to say, genuinely, this is one of
the worst cell phones I've ever written. She told on herself for something she
didn't do. Really, God, this is that commercial um for sportsmanship where
the ball goes out and he comes out on me. Coach, It's like,
shut the fuck up, just shut your goddamn mouth because the other team
is not going to return the fun favor. No one ever does that,
No, nor should you, No cheat? No? What was it?
Um? What was that movie Something versus Ferrari for Ferrari? And how fucking
infuriating was that? There's just like, oh yeah, that was a movie
where the guy six year old men deep down you know that's what I am,
right, yeah, um, But anyways, it's the same concept where
you know he's about to win, he's about to finally do it, and
hung back to like make it so they both would come. It was like,
you know, some kind of Ford Ferrari in Cahoot's business situation. So
he was like gonna fucking totally pull ahead and then was like, let me
whatever and guess who fucking gun head because they didn't fucking care, right exact,
I will say that, don't fucking do it. Fucks the game up,
dude, I should point. You should say the ball is out on
you if you're like if it's like borderline, but you're pretty sure they already
know if you're playing, that's me, that's me, that's me, that's
me. Because then you want to say you want to sound more credible when
it is a straight up ball and you're like, no, no, you're
gonna be like the guy on your team that's just like, oh my bad,
not bad. He taps his chest and it's like, yeah, we
know what's you're a bad man. Like you said, that's stupid, that's
stupid. Yeah, I'm just telling you sometimes you got to play the game
within the game. Never fucking call the ship on yourself ever, ever,
ever, typically, No, I'm just saying, you only call the ones
on yourself that are already obvious. So it seems like you're giving them if
it's obvious, they would say, sometimes that's what I'm saying in the semi
obvious. Well, you know, like it's not really borderline, but you
there are some people who would be a dick about it because you know that
too, right where there's people who clearly it was probably out on them,
but they're like no, no, like they protest too much on shit.
That doesn't matter. You don't want to be that guy either. No,
you don't want to be that chippy little bitch. You don't want who who
never does anything wrong? Don't say it damn thing. I agree with that
too. Yeah, that's like your whole life. Sorry I didn't I didn't
see That's what which is not great. That's a podcaster I know, like
half of the pot I mean, courney joke about that be like yeah,
Dan's oh actually my my father in law asked, or like he was like
so that damn guy he didn't talk a lot on the podcast. Well,
I try to. It's hard to get a word in with me and Courtney.
You're like, no, that's a stick. He's like, yeah,
I'm on a podcast, but I don't talk. Yeah. But also you
you, you and Jake trample all over my words. Now that's just that's
blaming. Mh. Just get it out in the open, all right,
I'll let you fill the silence next time. You know what I mean?
You know what I didn't go to exactly exactly. He's very thoughtful as what
it is, and again it doesn't work podcast wise. He's thought, he's
thinking about what he wants to say. An intellectual, super intellect. You
definitely abide by that Mark Twain quote basically like no reason to talk and let
everyone know you're stupid. Oh yeah, um oh, I thought you're gonna
say, like I didn't have time to write a short letter. Stay stay
silent, he thought, a fool rather than open your mouth and yeah,
yeah, well no I'm a moron. Well damn it. Oh just be
silent. It is what is so anyway. Naturally, Allison was immediately turned
into authorities for confessing to giving John Law a stroke. She didn't give him
dude. Alison, her brother James, and her mom Elizabeth were brought before
the authorities on March thirtieth, sixteen twelve. The authorities were like, Okay,
we know about the John Law stuff. Did you do anything else?
So then she has to like think back to any coincidence. I guess Alison
was. I guess the first coincidence she admitted to was selling her soul to
the devil. She was like, first place she went, yeah, yeah,
allegedly, and then her brother James testified the Alixon also confessed to bewitching
a child. Uh, Elizabeth who is the daughter Yes, Alison has completely
gasol at herself. Elizabeth who is the daughter of the other Elizabeth, Elizabeth
whatever dem dyke, the old bitch matriarch of the family. Uh. She
said. She was like, yeah, actually my mom has a mark on
her that is definitely from the devil. Uh, consensually sucking her blood?
Bro, Why are they giving up all of this? That was the kind
of culture at that. I don't know. Why are they giving up so
much shit? Is it like when a cop brings you in and they're like,
just tell us now, it will be so much worse. That's what
I mean, which is a fucking lie. By the way, for sure,
don't no cops tell the truth all the time. Don't ever, it's
gonna be so much Honestly, here's here's exactly what you should say if a
police officer tells you just tell us now, or it's gonna be so much
worse for you later. Say this back to them, exactly, why are
you the judge too? You say, am I under arrest? Am I
under arrest? And if you're not, you believe? And if you are,
you get a lawyer. Not ever ever. Just pretty easy sentence to
say to them. It's going to calm the situation down. Okay, I
have a knife. Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one.
Take my blood. Yeah, I'm not blowing. I'm not blown.
Bro. I don't even know each state's different. I forget what it is,
but I think my I work for a really good d you I learned
he's like, don't blow. Okay, so you automatically lose your license.
I think it depends on the state. Yeah I heard that too. You
have a dewey, don't you? For sure? Didn't make a couple couple
for sure back in the day, are they all La A couple mug shots.
You guys tried to look for them. I think you had to pay
for them, but they're in LA. Yeah. Oh, it's like super
easy to find my ex girlfriends mug shots. Really well, it's also super
easy to get into Ui Lax. It's super easy. It's you know,
horrible. It's to the point where like they are dui hunters, dui hunters,
especially where I lived. And then also, I mean, there's no
excuse, which I learned in alcohol school. Totally my fault. But however,
very spread out there, no fucking ubers, no fucking taxis. Well,
eventually they're on the fucking hunt. That's how we, like twelve twelve
ubers cost as much as a d uy in Los Angeles exactly was I mean,
if you uber twelve nights, that's a duy. Yeah, it's ten
thousand right off the bat, and then subsequently like every year. But anyway,
that's how we built the entire city and made it look super nice and
everything that it is. Sure, what do you guys don't you think?
Oh? I just don't think LA looks super nice, not anymore. But
when I was fucking paying them, No, no, no, there are
there are nice little parts of LA that I think are incredible, but like
a city as a whole, I think it's and that's even before like I
haven't any time about like Liberals Room, I'm not even talking about it.
Yeah, I never thought it was like in at buy and large and esthetically
pleasing city. Let me say, like the beach towns then so like Ventura,
either Venice, Orange County, like they literally like in parts of LA
that are like Los Angeles proper that I think are gorgeous, and they used
that little bit, had to like make that part nice for that year of
DUI fucking money, and then they move on to something else or parking ticket,
the parking ticket and DUI. Basically anything nice you see in LA is
because of that. College campuses are built on parking tickets and and MP's actually
and college campers are built on parking tickets and college police departments. They're so
like where I went to college, and I was in like a true college
town. You were at least in Orlando or were you in a like you
don't know where you seefs. It's in a smaller municipality. It's in a
Veto. Really Yeah, Okay, so yeah, so you were kind of
the same way. But uh, these smaller munis or small towns or whatever.
Columbia is not like super small. It's like eighty thousand people, so
it's not like a you know, like five thousand person town or something.
But those police, they it's like a speed trap. But they but for
alcohol. Yeah you know what I mean, h m ips walking through the
bars, checking IDs. They sometimes they would set up walking checkpoints at the
front of the at the at the beginning of Greektown where all the fraternians and
sororities were to catch miners walking home drunk. Dude, knock on what I've
never on through a checkpoint. Yeah, I'll just tell you real quick about
the last one. So I got pulled over for going too slow. Have
I told this? No, I got pulled over going too slow. I
got a Dell Taco burger and was eating it as if I was inside a
restaurant in my car. I mean it was on the highway. I can
waste it yet not highway, but it was like I was almost to my
house. La whatever Echo Park got pulled over, you just covered and lettuce
and oil bro I was point like two five, So like I don't know
and so, but it was it was not for like any other I was
like literally about to turn onto my street, but I was going so slow
and just like I didn't I just didn't know where I was. And I
go, I'm not blowing right, So I'd like go to the station.
Blood bad idea just saying all that to say, just blow right there,
because as you go on, depending on how much you drank, like your
blood alcohol rises. Yeah, so just like get it done right then.
Also, I'm sorry, I think I got it wrong. You should blow
there because the way. So, I worked for one of the best UI
cops in the country when I was in college. Um like, I was
an intern there over the summer and because my mom had been a judge at
the time, and he was in front of her a lot with his You're
like the fucking murdocks. What are you talking about? I was good to
the way. Yeah, yeah, I did anything is legal for me in
missarium. But uh he what he would do is he would essentially fuck all
these cops and get people out of like wild wild DUIs. He would list
them on his website of like the craziest pete thing, like he got one
woman out of a dui who literally crashed into a police car. Yeah,
because here's the thing, here's what every cop does wrong. They don't know.
There is a very specific set of ways to do the sobriety test,
and if you do not do them exactly in the justice system, you got
out of jail for sure. If you do not do it exactly how it's
supposed to be done. And most of these dumb, dumb cops don't know
how to do it right because it's very just like all over the place.
It's probably different for every state too. Nah, maybe every state. Maybe
every state. I don't know though, But if you don't do it exactly
right, the evidence is no longer admissible. And if they if they make
you blow in the field, they won't make you blow in the at the
station. I think is something usually but it doesn't matter. But it doesn't
matter if they fuck up the process in any way, that evidence gone.
Now, Jesse, remember during the protests or the couple that was kind of
holding their guns flamboyantly. That's Rob's parents. That's like, if you want
to give me a picture of like that, I wish their house is dope.
The house was dope their house, so I know the part of Saint
Louis they live in where it's like all it's like in the city, so
it's like sketchy crime, but it's like neighbor Yeah, she's figure on the
chair. Yeah. One of my buddies was like defending them or whatever,
and it was like they're on their property, bid blah blah. And I
was like, all right, well, at least give me this, like
this should have gone something like, dude, that it was the worst triggered
trigger discipline I've ever seen in my life. And I'm not even a shooter.
Those people probably shouldn't. Yeah, exactly, like they looked like they
should have guns carry on right, Yeah, but her in particular, oh
that if anything anybody ran by, I mean they were getting right shot.
And also though the accident the other thing two with those of the mccloskey's their
name, um the Foxes, Yes, yes, yes, yes, might
as well be uh, dude, like stay in your house with guns drawn
ready if people run up, you don't walk out under the lawn and be
like who wants them? Yeah, but if you're pissed because they tore down
your neighborhood, get you're just pissed it the where the country is gone,
then you go outside, right, seems like, I don't know, strategically
not great. I guess if you want a virtue signal, it's a good
way to do things. Sure. Um. Anyway, these witch cops they
weren't dumb, so they got the dem Dykes, they got these bitches,
but they know those other witches. They know the Chattics is or witchy as
well. So they asked the Dem Dikes do you not like the Chatticks is?
Hey, are the Chattucks is up to anything witchy? And Alison was
like, oh, hell yeah they are, right, Alison accused and wittle
the Chatticks matriarchs. So the old Chattucks lady of killing four men via witchcraft.
And you know, Alison was credible because she knew the devil right and
she had already like told on herself. Oh yeah, so like supercredible,
like you were saying, like calling yourself out, you know, all going
out now, You're gonna be credible yep for whatever else you yep. Also,
this is the eighty year old woman we're talking about now, that's Alison
is accusing the eighty year old Chattics matriarch, and it checks out because like
who lives out long? Who lives that long? Looks looks like a yeah,
which is a gross. She looks probably always in mourning, like I
said, So she's in black all the time, covered in pe like a
witch would be. Alison also said that the Chatticks matriarch killed her dad,
who died in sixteen o one. Alison claimed that actually her dad, John
Device was so afraid of Anne whittle Um that he promised to pay her eight
pounds of oatmeal a year. I guess unprompted if she promised not to hurt
his family. But in sixteen oh one, apparently he didn't pay up.
Oatmeal didn't come huh yeah, bad oatmeal crop that year. Yeah, and
oatmeal cometh. The oatmeal did not come in, and Whittle the Chatticks matriarch
was like, well, boom, I'm gonna kill you. So naturally,
the Chatticks clan and old Elizabeth Demdike, who was not at the original questioning,
we're all brought in for questioning. At this point. Both Elizabeth Demdyke
and a Chatticks were so old that they were literally blind. God and if
the old yeah, and if the old women in the Salem witch trials were
in any indication. I don't know if you knew this, but several women
of the same age were accused in the Salem witch trials and they were literally
recorded as being incontinent, so they were just like leaking p the entire time
they were being accused of witchcraft. I can't imagine these women were much better
if they couldn't even see. Oh my god, I did so many stuff
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this witchtop. Like all these weird as all started because Alison was like,
oh my god, I gave this guy's stroke and then felt bad and then
it was like I'm a witch. Nothing can unravel like and just like Domino
horrible. That's kind of effect than a woman a common through. I mean,
we can just this is really the ultimate case of a woman apologizing too
much. Yeah, I mean just just not understanding that things that you do
and say can fucking completely annihilate. Yeah, just that that idea did.
We also have a distrust of the blind, or like maybe too much of
a trust in the blind, because like there's a theme of like Greeks,
the Vikings everything, they're like fortune tellers or seekers were always like blind to
shit and like foggy eyed. Yeah you know what I mean, Like their
their dead eyes were like all like misty and milky. Yeah, well very
practically it was because like all of their other senses were right, So like
if you can't see the present, you can definitely see the future. Or
you're just like very in tune and it's like, oh my god, he
knew I was here. Yeah, because he's blind, he like knows how
to like, yeah, you can tell that you're there, like you're at
the door, he can smell you. Because it's fucking ancient times. He's
like, how do you know I was here? Yeah? Did you know?
I was white? No one ever comes around because I'm blind? Yeah
yeah when some other stinky humans for defeating me. Yeah, so I'm I
don't know. Yeah, fucking the past is stupid, um dumb. Why
I love doing this your show because whenever anyone bitches about the present, I'm
like, let me tell you about any other time and fifty years ago,
not even long ago. This is like all the ship now, I always
bring up just fucking wait what it's like, just wait, just wait,
or just like let's just say Nixon if you don't even want to go that
far back of like the craziness of and then pardoning Gerald Fort you know,
like anything, all the ship with the all of them just go oh man,
it just happened, just like right there in fart of your face.
That was insanity, and now we're like trying to find the little fucking things
it was, like, dude, it was straight up in your face scary
or crazy weird not that long ago. But what's funny is the major moments
that are happening now we kind of get tired of pretty quick. Yeah,
but I don't know. I actually wonder if they were the same way.
Like I wonder how many people were, like three weeks after Watergate, were
like whatever watergated out? Yeah, maybe, and maybe that's how he was
able to, you know, like be replaced and then be pardoned. Ye
don't, right, like without people being like even knowing about it. Like
I'm so sick of hearing about JFK's One thing we say is shit don't change.
And that goes both ways. Like in a broad sense, it means
that, but I think it's even more true in a like personal sense,
which is, I know, attention spans are probably shorter now, but I
don't really know how appreciably shorter they are, because even if you don't,
oh it's the cell phones making me do it or whatever. Hey, television's
been around and been rotting our brains. Kurt Vonnegut said that television was the
lead in America's Rome, Roman Wine or whatever. You know. Television turned
off at like eleven o'clock everywhere. But my point is that it's just like
the National where I got out, there were there were op eds written in
the twenties that the dime store novel was making kids stupid, and that's fucking
up their attention to jazz. So nothing that's happening now I feel like,
is weird or out of the ordinary, Like, yeah, really, it's
not that people don't change, or that our minds might not be a little
different, But I tend to err on the side of and I've learned this
more the older I've gotten, um depressingly so, is that I'm not very
different. No, And the thoughts I have are probably like ninety eight percent
pretty common, right right, like your weird anxieties and or your creative thoughts
whatever, largely in line with how most other people think, which leads me
to believe I can I feel like I can safely extrapolate that out. I
mean, case in point, there's psychology books that break people down, every
single person, yeah, into a certain category of I mean there's weird anomalies
a little bit, but even those are very textbooks, right, So in
that alone, you could be like, there's always I'm not fucking special ones
different now, delco you, I will say, again, I don't know
what shit you have. I mean, I could look in the book and
we could like put a couple of different things together. But you're not wrong.
You're special. Thank you. Sure, tell me I'm more special.
Look tell you what I'm special than Rob? Then Rob? Well, no,
just by nature of of your life, Yes, thank you. You
mean we are very uh, I mean text book in what we're trying to
do right societally in life and all of that, as boring as that is.
Although I guess nowadays we're the we're the minority, we're the homeowners exactly.
Yeah, mister Renter over here, So maybe we're fucking special. Yeah,
maybe needs to tell me special. I don't know. Home it's kind
of overrated if you ask me. It seems like a bad time. I
do get angrier now when my dogs say choose siding, sure, like choose
a base board as opposed to in my apartment, we get angry at like
dorkier stuff. It's real stupid. Um Oh fuck was I I forgot what
I was gonna say. But regardless, So the legalities they bring these two
rotting glassbone women in for questioning U and they asked, uh, these people,
they say you're in league with the devil, that you're a witch,
that you're in league with the devil. They just say it. They're like,
yeah, we heard you're in league with the devil? What say you,
old ladies? You know, like that sentence doesn't make sense. Uh
well, Elizabeth Demdike's I guess talked first whatever, I don't know. This
few old woman who was, you know, facing a horrible fate and whose
family, children and grandchildren were potentially in mortal danger responded to the question.
She was like, oh, yeah, I sold my soul to the devil
twenty years ago, oh one of the blind old Yeah. Yeah, ladies,
God stop being fu. She just had a crazy sense of humor.
That's yeah, that's grand right. They couldn't possibly do anything about it,
Oh me, yeah, exactly. Oh people right, by the way,
they're just it just vowels in consonance, arranged adorably. Yeah, because like
the kids couldn't say grandma. She called me Gigu. Yeah, say,
and she sold her soul to the devil. Um, okay, yeah,
Gigu almost sounds racist. Yeah, I'd watch it with gig whatever. We're
gonna clip it, Gigo number two. And will the Chatticks matriarch on the
other hand, Uh yeah, on the other like, yeap, so that's
what the damndike said, and then an whittle Chattis matriarch. On the other
hand, she was like, yeah, me too. Did they just wanted
to I don't understand, but like, I don't understand if they're like,
yeah, they're like, fucking kill me now. The country is completely fucked.
I'm blind, I'm old. Just kill me, dude, just end
me, devil what I mean, what do you want me to say?
Or she was like, yeah, I sold it to the devil because you
know, he said, you'll never lack for anything and you'll be able to
get revenge whenever you want. And I don't know, but I like to
think that the judge was like, you'll never lack for anything. You know,
your poor shit, right, you poor shit. You can't see right
you are? You have peen yourself this entire conversation. You have peed the
entire drilling that you sold your soul for, right, I think you're in
hell already. Yeah, I would hate. I would hate to see the
life that you had before selling, right, what he pulled you up from?
Yeah? Yeah, my god, good for you if he really pulled
you out of something worse than this. What like she's just getting like fucked
by dogs in a gutter and the Devil's like, I can give you an
infinitely better life. Guess what, Yeah, an exponentially better life. But
here's the actually, yeah, it depends on what's being multiplied object. It's
not being fed by ball, right, yeah, old ball, all the
dogs, all the flaming eye dog. So the magistrate decide, decreed that
Alls and Device and Wittle, Elizabeth Demdike and Whittle's daughter and Redfern Uh,
they were going to be tried for malificium uh, causing harm by witchcraft.
The cell phones we're not done though. The cell phones would continue what self
owns Oh, sell phones. So I thought you're saying cell but I didn't
want to That is witchcraft then, yeah, cell phones at that time five
By the way, at that time, I would have sold my soul for
a cell phone other than take pictures. There's no tower, I can't call
anybody else, right I was. I was under the impression you would have
like full internet service and everything too. So you're just like through some dimension,
get five G from modern look up everything, and then you just become
God. We would have a negotiation with the devil. Right, So what
does this fucking thing do? I guess, yeah, fully working iPhone with
internet and sell access and I can call people from the future in a way
to charge it or a way to charge it or check it out. What
if you only have the cell phone for one hundred percent pattery, but like
it's gone after what then you gotta pick and choose where your spots. Oh
Jesus, I guess what? You turn off? Turn on? Turn off?
Doesn't turning it on take up a lot of battery though, Yeah,
it's like starting your car. That's that's a devil trick, right, Like
He's like, I'll give you one hundred percent battery, you can turn it
on, and then you're a dumb dumb and you don't know that you're fucking
up a lout of the battery by turning it on and off so much.
You only need to use it like five fucking times and then you're a mud
person like everybody else gets The key is you just got to do everything up
front and then just write it down. Yes, you got to spend like
five fucking days on power saver. Yes, it sounds like a nightmare.
Actually power saver airplane mode. Never mind devil, I'm good. I don't
want it, Which is why all these people that are like cheering for the
end of the world right now. Uh, if that happens and every like
say, we get we're off the grid completely, no one's gonna be able
to do anything. Oh, I look up how to do everything on my
phone. I'm useless, by the way, anything, I mean, power
goes out, fucking useless. Done. So look, people forgot the freeze
real fast. So, actually, did you see were you in downtown Drip
it all to day? There are a couple of people with Texit signs.
Really, there's a couple of literal I guess literal secessionists on the street or
is that a thing? Yeah, we're technically we aren't. We're a republic,
right what Texas, Texas? That's yeah, yeah, there are several
secessionists protesting in downtown Drip today. It was like three of them. Yeah,
and just no, it wasn't. It was some old white guy,
uh, some like like probably forties fifties Mexican guy and then some middle aged
white woman. Why do we need to do that? I don't know.
According but oh you didn't stop and chat. He didn't get it, just
kept going, kept going to the CBS for by socks, carry out some
nice sucks. But yeah, if all that goes out, I give myself
maybe a week, like I even people are like, oh, ugg find
find your food. There is there is not a single person alive with children
that is like hell yeah. And if you do think that with children,
you're a fucking psycho, you're a fucking psycho. Um. Have you guys
seen the anarchists on HBO yet? Try it? Yeah, it's exactly what
you're kind of saying. Oh, people that like, uh want to have
like a full anarchist society and then they end up doing these weird conferences in
is it Puerto Rico or something? Okay? And is it a doc or
a show? Yeah, it sounds like a documentary in Puerto Rico right now.
It's a doc series. Okay, So there's like four but basically there's
one family that has kids and by the way, no, they would never
but they think they do right. Right, But since they're running the conference,
they're making a fucking bunch of money and they're basically just capitalists. It's
awesome. Yeah. So there's a great saying after Carhart got very in vogue
and popular. Sure is uh And I think I think it pretends pretty well
to the whole let society collapse thing blah blah blah, which is everybody wants
to wear Carhart until they have to do Carhart. Yeah, and I think
that's yeah, that's the answer. Nie, that's that's that's kind of spin
off the Ronnie Coleman. Everybody want to be a bodybuilder, but I don't.
Nobody want to lift these heavy ass weights, right And look, I'm
gonna I'm the first person here. I will tell you right now. I
am a soft hands. Okay, I have a lot of chalysies. I
like society as it, Yes it is, I like it. I do
well on it. Better navigate by the way. I mean, those hand
can you put them up when we're time? Those are soft? Yeah,
velvet, They really do look like they don't even have a wrinkle on them.
No, it's almost like working filtered hands, soft hands that I say
good for you, that means you thank you. We're two gloves with fastline
to sleep everything and made money and hired people to do stuff exactly good.
I'll mow the lawn and be like whoo right even for this podcasting the window
who does the work? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I'm the soft hands
right it me. It's true. It's like you got this production boy.
Yeah. He calls me a production boy as you because he's talent. He's
on air. Yeah, I'm on talent. Yeah. Even like researching,
he's like, and for what it's worth, I prefer audio slave. Oh
I like that. Yeah. I like that's a band, right yeah,
it's like wait it is a band, right, yeah. I don't listen
to him. Delco probably knows what. It's probably like every nineties band,
right yeah yeah yeah. They were mentioned in like Empire Records or something blaa
who cares um? So the dem Dyke family decided to have a meeting at
their home, uh, the bizarrely and troublingly named Maulkin Tower. Like,
I don't know how you don't be suspected of being a witch when you live
in a tower, uh, with friends who just want to talk about what
was happening. They were like supporters, like, oh my god, are
you guys okay? Blah blah blah. And James Device, who you know,
told the judge his sister bewitched the child was like, well, we
got to feed the party, so I guess I'll steal a sheep from our
neighbors. It was basically just a gathering to more and whatever. Naturally,
the judge found out and was like, oh, you guys are witches too.
That had to be a witch meeting. Yeah. Oh, the rest
of the witch family met with their friends in a tower. Yeah. What
what am I supposed to think you're doing? Right now? Steal a sheep?
Is that as bad as steal on as a horse. It's not great
because it because it's not as bad, but it's not great because they make
ship forever with the sheep? Right? I think they were pretty well they
killed and cooked it the sheep. Yeah, dumb, okay, go ahead?
Y is what is I guess, I don't know, like sacrificial or
just that's what people No, no, no, they eat they ate it.
Oh okay, yeah, that was like what they did. Yeah,
so Elizabeth Device, James Device, Alice Nutter, Katherine Hewett, John Bullock,
Jane Bullock, Alice Gray, and Jeanette Preston. Uh, we're all
also put on trial for witchcraft. Preston was tried first because she was actually
from a different county, so she got tried in York. I think this
was actually not her first witchcraft trial. She was accused of murdering a child
with magic the year before, but they couldn't pin it on her. Somehow
they got her on this one though. She was accused of murdering a local
landowner with magic. She pleaded not guilty, but someone was like, no,
no. I took her to see the guy's body after he died,
and she touched it and it started bleeding again. So yeah, and I
mean she's already got a record. Yeah, she got a record. And
then James Device, who is maybe the second shittiest part the Device family in
general, is just absolute dogshit in this story, James right, James Device
testified to the prosecutor that she did it, so she was hung. Jeanette
Preston was hung July twenty ninth. It really do be your own sixteen twelve.
Yeah, the others were tried in August of that year, and the
key witness in the trial against them was a little girl. Not a gel
oh, just a little girl. A nine year old girl. Nine year
old, also of the Device family, Jeanette Device device gods worst name than
Janet Device right now, it's not great. A witness that young normally would
not be allowed in trials at the time. Stuff, yes, seem King
James wrote in his book Demonology that you got to make exceptions for witches.
Oh good. Yeah. So first on trial was the Chattock's matriarch and wittle.
She was accused of the murder of Robert Nutter. She technically pleaded not
guilty, but awkwardly for her um, she had actually confessed to his murder
to the prosecutor or magistrate early during a deposition. And deposition in this instance
means a torture, right right, So the rites were read nothing like that.
It really is just just rip your fingernails off whatever. Yeah here,
yeah, yeah, torture the fuck out of you. Um. But here's
the thing, and here's why I think she was guilty even though the confession
was taken under torture, like you know, or why she deserved it.
Like, if you're a witch, just do magic and don't feel the torture.
Yeah, and if you aren't, then you aren't right here, right,
Yeah. So you think she's guilty because she because she didn't took it,
Well, she I don't know. She's a witch. Look, she's
a witch. Let's just be honest with ourselves. She's probably a wit.
Sounds like it. Yeah, I think if we're all being honest, like
every person in this story, it's probably a witch you know who didn't Probably
a witch you know who didn't confess to being a witch. The guy who
got crushed by Rocks. Yeah, so either way, not a witch,
you know what I mean, Like they proved it. Also, dude,
we all know dudes can't be witches. That's true. They don't fall into
that fucking tell on each other, snitch on each other, take each other
down bullshit. Well except James Device, who is a huge piece of ship.
I hear that fucking last name one more time. Oh it's coming up
again, no worrying. There was also this witness, James Robinson, who
lived in the Chattock's house twenty years earlier, and he got tug up somewhere
and came out and got on the stand and was like one time and Wintle
turned my beer sour, And now we know case closed sour beer. It's
a fun thing. We all like it. Husband. You guys are like
it's just like a New Earth thing because it's just something different. I think
it's because like, because can we be honest, we're in the drip,
Like none of these breweries are good. Yeah, Jester King fucking real,
I've never King are good. Look there's a sour that you can kind of
handle everywhere. And that's how it happened. Yeah. See, I thought
you're gonna we're gonna rally the trips with like pitchforks and go after Jester King
for their sours, for witchcraft, for their sours. I would say they're
the sours are the only thing that I can fucking hear. That's all they
do. Really, Yeah, no, no, they do others. They're
like no, like everyone does. Look ipa whatever I'm saying. If I
go to any other I'm not gonna name names, but you guys know them
like any other brewery out here. Yeah, the other one that you us
whatever, We're not a good beer town, despite what we think I totally
just I totally disagree. I think five one two is a great brewery.
I like Pinehouses beers five one two. It's in like Center, Austin,
Okay. So Drip is like I agree, Drips, it's uh the way
that they advertise it is like this is where all the good breweries and distilleries
people decided to move here. Sorry, I will be like, oh shit,
I do agree. I like the distill game and drip. Treaty Oak
is my favorite bourbon from Texas, my favorite place. I love Treaty Oak
Girl and honestly, uh Deep Eddie very underrated vodka, but like how much
can you really fuck up vodka? So I wish there was and maybe there
is. I don't know because I'm live there along Like a good tequila situation
out there, because I like to heal that you don't think there's one,
but I think it's a mescal. What's the I know, Desert door.
But anyway, if I want meska, if I don't want to drink mescal,
I'd rather smoke a scar. I don't think we should be getting tequila
from here. I mean, I think I think good tequila comes for where
it's fucking supposed to come from yeah, and we can just leave it at
that. There's a couple of rum distilleries, but I don't really like rum.
No, no. And the wine's are fine for Texas wine for Texas.
Fine. Yeah. Rum is what you drink on a cruise, like
I don't need to, yeah, and I don't need like a bespoke like
artisanal ru Yeah. Who's having like dai? Yeah, yeah, you're gonna
put it in your penia kolada. Like No. The funny thing is when
you go to like Hawaii. It's funny because like if you're if you live
in Texas and you like, all of a sudden, you're around palm trees
in the beach, You're like, oh, margarita time, exactly. The
margaritas are kind of dog shit out there exactly. So it's like all my
ties and shit and I'm like fuck like all like one or two and it's
like, dude, I cannot drink rum all day or I'm gonna fucking vomit
exactly, and I'm almost forty and I just can't do that. You're not
almost forty. He is almost, he's not. Don't let these motherfuckers tell
you that you're almost forty times thirty six. Baby, dude, that's four
fucking years away. Oh my god, I'm good. You're hanging out with
these young bucks too much. They're like a geezer. Like, I'm fucking
not I get hot. Take neither of them or bucks. Oh okay,
we better, we better carry on. I'm about to throw hands right now.
Yeah, yea. My whole goal is to get you guys some fucking
fight when I come up the show, and I usually get it. So
eventually, Anne Wintall realized she was screwed and just begged the court tab mercy
on her daughter and Red Fern. Uh. Next up was Elizabeth Device,
who was charged with a bunch of random murders. Uh. The man who
wrote the whole book about this, which we talk about last time, this
an the Samlisburys Whitch Trials, wrote that the odious Witch had a facial deformity
that made one eye lower than the other other. So she was ugly.
So she was a witch that checks out. I mean it checks out.
Start hanging every other Elizabeth Device was? This was Elizabeth Device. No,
she was like forties, fifties something like that, like middle age, um,
maybe late thirties, who knows for that era ugly for that time,
right, which is not great, which is like twenty x. Now here's
my thing. Obviously, being ugly makes you a witch unquestionably one percent,
and I believe that to this day. Yeah, for sure. But here's
my question. Does being too hot make you a witch in that day?
Interesting? But I think I'm gonna say I'm gonna say no because I think
I mean, I could say it at the end, but you know,
yeah, um, from the beginning of time too. Now, Okay,
hotness really gets you out of a lot of trouble, a lot of fit,
and you probably aren't accused of things that you shouldn't be because there's always
going to be a guy that when they fucking get you out of it.
If you're an option for men, I want to keep you around. Yeah,
So that's pretty much the answer to that, although they would be accused
more so by the other there when women women, yep, but in the
end would never go There's always going to be some guy that's going to keep
them from me because women hating. Where guys cheat down, women always hate
up. Yes for sure, Yes, that's fair, because yeah, and
that's funny though, because a woman's biggest threat is not the hotter woman,
the woman that his wife or her husband thinks is like super hot. You're
not in the same league. It's what it is is is to like say
you're an eight. It's like the six that's very flirty with your husband.
Yeah, confident always, that's in the issue. Yeah, and even if
it's not an issue, it's like you, bitch, I'm taking you down.
Yeah, it's not the nine and a half. It's not the nine
point five that your husband's like, man Jesus, Yeah, because by the
way, you're never getting her, so yeah, exactly all you want.
He has all these crippling like uh, she has she doesn't think of herself
as a nine point five. Very true. Anyone that's that attractive usually has
these issues where they have self esteem, like just it's just completely cripple.
Very true. Very six. Though, let's get all the attention that feels
herself. Yeah, all the time. So the key witnesses against Elizabeth Device
figured, but go ahead. The key witness. The key witness against Elizabeth
Device was again Jeanette Device, who happened to be her daughter. Daughter was
the key witness then against her mom. Okay, perfect, and you will
probably relate to this tale as old as time. Rip Angel lenswory shoulders.
Yeah, is she the teapot? Yeah? Is y m hm, that's
our our our running bit just died, teish so she can't come after us,
Actually, yeah, Dizzy can. Oh, we'll just keep it going.
Then. So, when Device's daughter took the stand to testify against her,
Elizabeth was essentially like, you dumb little bitch, you're fucking making shit
up. You're gonna get me fucking killed. Sounds that sounds completely It's the
most same thing that's happened this entire fucking episode, right, and then what
happened that rebellious night girl was like, yeah, all right, Elizabeth.
Elizabeth was removed removed from the court. Elizae was removed from the court so
that Jeanette, her daughter, could keep testifying. Answer her. Get this
bitch defending herself out of here, right, They were't gonna fall for that
cross examination, No, no, no, we've heard about that across town
and staying they're fucking innocent. Get her out. So Jeanette then testified her
mom and been a witch for three or four years since since she had been
five or six she had observed or six or seven episode five or six.
Yeah, she's like, oh yeah, and a six year old is of
course the time we were believing that you can become a witch. You we're
not you kind of turn yourself over to the devil and become a witch.
Oh okay, you're not born a which you choose the witch life. Also,
Jeanette testified that her mom had the same familiar named ball, a brown
dog like the one who stroked out John Law. She said she heard her
mom planning murders with the dog. And then James, device Elizabeth's son and
fellow accused witch, also testified against his mom. Apparently he was trying to
turn state's witness, but that didn't work because James also had a torture confession
and his sister Jeanette also testified against him too. So James and his mom,
Elizabeth were sentenced to death and Redfern's trial with the next day. What
because of the girl? Yeah, because the nine year old. I was
like, yeah, my mom has been a witch for like three or four
years. Complicated relationships. Yeah, ab my lucky you're having to who is
there talk to? A talk? And the talk was mean and guilty.
God, we got her h triggered. Yeah, it seems like you gotta
take care of that right now, Jesse with your daughter. Look, I'm
trying to I think it's impossible. I mean, I think a lot of
this was like family stuff and daughters and whatever, accusing do you know what
I mean? Like, how much of it do you think? And I
don't mean this to like even like talking to young women or whatever. I
don't mean the spiritual women. I mean this because I know children, Yeah,
only I can talk to them. Yeah. Right, How much of
this do you think was the child enjoying the attention from specifically much fancier,
higher class people. I think a lot of that, and then it was
all so just a weird relationship. Yeah. Also maybe mom and daughter.
I don't I someone that. But then like if someone else, and people
do this all even to this day, like come in and be like,
oh it was your well, let's say therapy, let's go modern times therapy.
What's up would your mom do? Well? She was super busy,
Like I can just picture my daughter. She was super busy all the time,
like work all the time, and like you can always find something,
if someone if someone tells you, Hey, you have a problem. This
is the problem. You reverse engineer it back to what that is. You
can always find it to. My mom was always so busy, so busy
cooking sponsibility. She was so busy cooking for I won't but I can't.
I can't, can't she's going to do. Yeah, I can't control what
her and her therapists are going to cook up about what the fuck I did
staying out late with you guys, fucking drinking one. It's like, who
fucking cares? You're a baby, Like you can't even talk. Clip this.
You can play it in therapy, Play it in therapy, I love
you or whatever. You don't even know how to speak English. You're not
even a person right now, really, you know, you're just there.
How old is she? Four and a half months? Oh, she's getting
to be a kind of a person, actually kind of a person. But
as you know, Bob, yeah they're not gonna remember but there all the
time, but all of that. At some point, I think it's around
four or five months the lights really come on. Yes, where it's like
and I have all those apps that are like now, I think it's pretty
pointless to take like when I see a baby, I like Disney World.
I was totally pointless. Oh for sure. I think it's just that,
like they didn't want to leave them home. But if they ever take just
a baby or even any kid under five, seven, I'm gonna say seven,
Um, it's pointless. Yeah. Yeah, they're not gonna remember.
They're not going to remember. It's just for you. You're a Disney adult.
We threw our child one one year old birthday party on't for him.
It wasn't no. I always made those parties and to this day, just
beer and things. And much like your child, I forgot about it didn't
show up, did you. I didn't go. You were invited and you
didn't go. I forgot. He says that, like that's normal. Yeah,
like that's normal. I knew he wasn't. I knew, although to
the point where I was like, you kind of knew, Yeah, I
knew. I knew, and he knew you knew yeah, and he knew
it would fly. And so he was just like m and if you don't
know, now you know, now you know. So. Anne Redfern's trial
was the next day. She was accused of murdering Robert Nutter's father, Christopher
and making clay figures of the Nutter family like voodoo dolls, basically Bob Nutter,
yep, Bob Nutter. Witnesses said she was even more dangerous than her
mom. The Chaddock's family. Matriarn Anne Redfern was like, no, I
deny everything. She was found guilty, Shut up, bitch, Yeah,
we know what's going on already. Alice Nutter was tried next. She was
not poor like the others, actually, which was out of place. Usually
it was just like, you know, knock off these poor bitches. You
know, they're weird, they're gross, they're probably witches. She was accused
of witchy things and murder two, but had way less of a connection to
the stuff than anyone else. Jeanette testified that Alice Nutter was at the Malcolm
Tower meeting, but the truth is probably that she had just stopped by on
her way to something else to check in and be like, hey guys,
everything okay. Nutter. Other than pleading not guilty, he said pretty much
nothing. Wouldn't testify or anything like that. This was probably because she was
still a Catholic okay, and she had been on her way to Catholic Mass
that night. That night, which was illegal because the Church had of England
had separated, but this area was still like a lot of cat flicks in
it, which is why they were probing for witchcraft. And she like that
two of her relatives were actually executed for being Catholic priests years earlier. She
was between a rock and a shark. So she didn't want to testify against
her family, didn't want to say anything. She was a and afraid of
just implicating fellow Catholics at the math Mass in general. So she has Captain
Rause shut she was found guilty. What, Yeah, well she has a
Catholic you don't want to risk. Can't have that in a car bomb somewhere
real quick. Did any of these people have lawyers that were defending them?
So, I don't know how it was for them, but in the Salem
witch trials it was actually illegal for witches to have lawyers. Yeah cool,
you can represent man and yeah yeah, yeah, no, that's really good.
Yeah, that's really good. Yeah, it's a good loophole. Smart,
smart the forethought before because otherwise, you know, I was like making
that role. It's just you gotta cut it off so the devil can't infiltrate
the lawyers. We're just all going to decide what the fuck captain, and
that's it. Yep, pretty much. So then days we still had Alison
device. She had to stand trial. Now since she self admitted. Where
they lenient? Um, I don't know. Maybe they hung her more softly,
Yeah, no, but they hung I guess harder. Well, she
was yea the entire time. She was still convinced she had powers. Again,
straight up confessed on the stand. While John law was in the court,
she was so He's like, please, wasn't you well he acting,
I don't know of what he thought, Probably probably didn't think it was her,
to be honest, she was found guilty. They were all hung.
Everyone was hung, Happy ending, Happy ending. Historian John Swayne. I
copy and paces straight up because I thought it was just a good blurb.
Historian John Swayne has said that the outbreaks of witchcraft in and around the Pendule
area demonstrate the extent to which people could make a living living, either by
posing as a witch or by accusing or threatening to accuse others of being a
witch. Like we talked about, it's really good. Although it is implicit
in much of the literature on witchcraft that the accused were victims, often mentally
or physically abnormal. For some at least, it may have been a trade
like any other, albeit one with significant risk. So it's almost like,
I don't know, dealing cocaine or something like that, or just get rid
of the freaks. Yeah, yeah, basically what they were doing with it.
It's kind of like I think witches in a lot of ways were like
mid level drug dealers in modern time, if you want to put the use
it. Yeah, So they were using that as a front to kind of
get rid of Well, it's just like you were doing something to make money
because you were poor, but that what you were doing make money had more
inherent risk and might get you killed the same way dealing meth or coke or
even weed back in the day. It's like yeah, yeah, yeah,
like it's what could get you killed is your business? Yeah you know.
So, uh, there may have been bad blood between the Dem Dyke and
Chat series because they're in competition with each other trying to make a living from
healing whatever. The Dem Dykes are believed to have lived close Yeah whatever,
the rest of us pointless, but essentially, yeah, they when I said
earlier, that they made a living by extortion. I think part of that
extortion was they think we're witches, so we'll call you a witch. Right
that it was like something that people threw around right the same way. Honestly,
a lot of drug dealers they always have that backcart in their pocket.
I know who the other drug dealers are, and they could always get leniency
and be like, dude, I'll tell you all the other Yeah, people
all turn yep, shut your fucking mouth, rub right, rat your fucking
hormouth, snitch, Dan's dealing protein. I don't know, Oh, are
you dealing back? Are you on the side? Never know, But that
is all I've got for this week. They were all killed, all hung,
all hung after testify, a web of testifying against each other, just
a web of testimony. And is it And you're saying it's similar or like
the which whatever the century? Where? Which is where something that you could
actually use to get certain things? Um, the trials and the accusers and
the things were all pretty similar. Yes, you know, besides Salem.
I don't think this was very similar to Salem, because in Salem, was
it, Well, if you're Salem had something in common with this, which
it involved rival families. M okay, so made a better book, Crucible
and then a play. Was it a book first? It's a book first,
Um, you read it high school. I read the play. Didn't
read the book. It's an actor? Yeah, no, no, no,
oh yes, I don't know what I'm saying. I mean what I'm
saying is essentially people are fucking nuts that none of this strikes me as crazy,
Like it's all crazy, but it's all so crazy that I'm like,
yeah, no, you don't, like somebody throw allegations out, Yeah,
just slap allegations on them. Also, there's Alison's like weird feeling of guilt
for nothing that I mean like that, like they have beaten into her that
like, yeah she didn't she was gaslet. All of these people died like
gaslet other people. The deep irony of this is all of these people died
because Alison had a moment of raw motion but was such a sweet person,
right that she felt bad about it. Yeah, But if you're that fucking
dumb, I fucking can't. She got killed because she was dumb, do
you know what I mean? Liked because she was dumb. In those kind
of instances, you're just like yeah, but then how are you ever gonna
be in the fucking world. Let's say you get away with this? Right?
My god? What is life for you? Too pure for this world?
Honestly, that's that's what's the judge and Jerry probably thought there, like
we can't let you live, can't let you breathe it. I'm sure back
in the day more than now you think about what is the what's the point?
What is your future? Yeah, what's your future? What's the point?
What if I let you go? What happens? What are you going
to actually contribute? You're gonna keep fucking doing weird, dumb You're gonna be
a person stuff. So we're a small community, total heathen out like you
got sorry, which she's a witch. We do two things at the end
of the episode. I don't know if we've always done them when you were
here. The first one is who's today's hitler? Okay, who's the villain
of today today's hitler? Um? Who was U? The youngest gal end
worst name the daughter, the nine year old daughter. That was like,
yeah, only because um, only because I'm I'm triggered by it, I'm
attacked by it. Yeah, And because you could see your kids doing that.
Yeah, and if any like the power that daughters, especially at that
age, wheeled against like their elder, Right, but you only know this
from your point of view as a daughter for now you will understand it from
the other side, That's what I mean. But I'm saying, like the
power that they wheeled like, she definitely completely took advantage of that and was
like I just honestly, when I was writing this and I knew you're gonna
be in the episode, what like, I just imagined you as Elizabeth Device
being like you dumb little bitch. Yes the fuck is wrong with you?
What the fuck I didn't give you enough? You are so dumb? And
then and then there's like there you go and like everything I say would like
reiterate why she do? You know what I mean? Like there's you're you're,
you're in the weeds at that point, Like anything that I say to
try and get her to stop would be the reason why she would want to
accuse me. Yeah, and so Hitler, Yeah, now I'm gonna go
the other way. I'm gonna go with the top broad the eighty year old
which one and and Whittle or Chile or whatever or Whittle that like was like,
yeah, I mean the devil we're in bad twenty years ago. That's
a damn dyke, dum dyke. Yeah, there's a little bit of badassness
to that for sure. I for them, like, I assume she damned
her entire family saying that. T He's not wrong, right, he fucked
the whole family. She sucked the whole family, kind of boned everyone else.
Yeah. I think she was like hers, it's just you know,
like he blew out back. Yeah. Yeah, somebody said something to her
right before she walked in. Yeah, she just like repeated it. Yeah,
this is all just like dumb people's stuff, like an old ladys,
all of the dumb people. It's like an old lady now mean like Dwight
eyes and power. Yeah yeah, it's like, now, yeah, I
killed him. No you didn't. You did. I killed him. I
promise you didn't. You wanted to, you said you, but you didn't
do You didn't do it, Grandma. You were just you just made cookies
and that was hated him and my hatred killed him. No, dude,
it's not how it works. But how do you explain it at that point
in that time, At that time, she said it's possible, and then,
h what did we learn today? Um? It just be crazy?
What did we learn? Um? I think it's just uh, dumb people.
Dumb people are dumb. Dumb people are dumb, but also like um,
communities will go to great lengths to get rid of their they're dumb.
Yeah, I think the best way to get to get rid of your competition
is just just throw out wild accusations. Yeah, they thought it would competition,
although it was really like a man, It's like, I forget the
movie, but there's like where they like shoot each other at the same time
they both die, you know what I mean? Yeah, it no,
not Tombstone, I forget, I don't remember, but it was, but
yeah, for sure, like they try to take each other out and they
just they're both gone, and then they just like ruin entire generations of two
families with dumb with their real, real dumbness, with their real, real
dumbness. And I don't think anyone should underestimate the power a fucking real,
real dumbness to the point of almost convincing other people. Stupidity is much more
powerful than people give a credit. Because for every you who's like that's so
stupid. There's like twenty people that are like, yep, yep, God
damn say well that's all that is all I've got for today, Jesse.
As always, it's a pleasure of absolute pleasure, you guys. This was
fun. I love this show. I love you guys. And like,
I know, we were talking about me maybe replacing Jake, so like,
let's we'll see, let's kind of talk about that after get that, Let's
get those balls. Let's get those balls, running contracts, whatever you send
ball to Jake. Yeah, yeah, worst name for a dog, maybe
he needs. I mean, look, I've been I've been in a dog
park in this godforsaken city. Not trip at this point where I was just
like someone was like pasto, Yeah yeah, pasto. I've heard brisket.
Brisket's cute, but I'm sure overdone, right, No, what's over done?
Like oreo all the bad? Don't name me dog got food, dog
shit? Just name it a normal name, a normal name. Because I
had a fraternity brother who named his dog Yeager, and I hated him for
it. I didn't even like him beginning, but I hated him for it.
Name a human name though. Name it's Scott, right, My dogs
are Jack and Leo. I do like that, like dogs with like for
real human names. Yeah, Carl, yep, it's cute. The next
one, My next dog might be Carl Carl or Willie, Willie's cute old
rally Bob or Bob Bobby, Bob Junior five Bobby five. That is all
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