WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:06.120 Deal Shell is sponsored by Wall Street, Window dot com and listeners like you 2 00:00:06.440 --> 00:00:14.400 Yeah now and nowgrated noise and in all media shuck o'lly. May seventeen, 3 00:00:14.720 --> 00:00:18.399 twenty twenty four. Allegedly, according to that thing we call a calendar, 4 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:23.559 this the Ocelli Effect, going live early on a friar's day. So it's 5 00:00:24.000 --> 00:00:28.960 just after seven pm Eastern time, and you know, normally on this show 6 00:00:29.000 --> 00:00:31.800 we would often cover the news of the day, this kind of thing. 7 00:00:32.399 --> 00:00:37.119 But tonight I'm going live an hour early. I do have phones open, 8 00:00:37.880 --> 00:00:40.560 uh, but I don't expect anybody to call in because it's sort of a 9 00:00:40.600 --> 00:00:44.799 surprise show. I think I posted on Twitter x whatever and also on Facebook, 10 00:00:44.840 --> 00:00:49.079 but anyway, who knows who pays attention there and how badly shadow band 11 00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:53.159 I am. So probably nobody saw it, but if you went in the 12 00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:57.520 live chatroom at Ocelli dot com you might have seen it. Anyway, let's 13 00:00:57.600 --> 00:01:03.200 get to the business at hand before we get to your completely unscheduled, unscripted 14 00:01:03.240 --> 00:01:07.319 calls at eight pm Eastern. What do I have to discuss this evening? 15 00:01:07.359 --> 00:01:11.239 Well, we could, we could open it all up and get into it 16 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:15.480 deeply and go into the news of the day if you wanted to, how 17 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:19.879 about that the Israeli Army finds bodies of three hostages in Gaza, killed at 18 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:25.680 the October seven music festival. Apparently, all right, let's see a video 19 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:30.159 has been released and spread out in the media and is making the rounds. 20 00:01:30.159 --> 00:01:36.959 The video appears to show Diddy Sean Puffy Combs beating singer Casey in a hotel 21 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:42.840 hallway in twenty sixteen, and a man the man convicted of attacking Nancy Pelosi's 22 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:45.959 husband with the hammer, Remember the hammer guy who was in his underwear and 23 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:49.920 all that weirdness that went on. Well, apparently, according to multiple headlines 24 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:53.519 across AP, Washington Post, et cetera, et cetera, I think most 25 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:57.760 of them originating with the AP story. The first line reads, the man 26 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:05.079 convicted attempting to kidnap then house speaker Nancy Pelosi and attacking her husband, Paul 27 00:02:05.120 --> 00:02:08.800 Pelosi, with a hammer, was sentenced Friday to thirty years in prison, 28 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:15.319 thirty years for the hammer attack. That weirdness that we saw out there. 29 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:19.159 Are we going to go into this news No? Instead, I want to 30 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:23.520 dedicate the majority of this hour to somebody of interest. I mean, we 31 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:31.879 could go right on over the rather interesting story of Senator Bob Menendez in his 32 00:02:32.240 --> 00:02:35.800 trial, because it is the year of the lawsuit. After all, we 33 00:02:35.879 --> 00:02:40.879 could go over that, we could discuss the Trumpster and his courtroom appearances, 34 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:45.639 c et cetera, et cetera. But how about we just take a little 35 00:02:45.639 --> 00:02:49.159 listen to a newsclip here. Let's see where's this from. I'm not sure, 36 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:52.960 but let's see. While his trial began this week in New York, 37 00:02:53.159 --> 00:03:01.479 Nadine Menendez's trial date was postponed due to medical concerns that were undisclosed until Thursday. 38 00:03:01.840 --> 00:03:06.439 At tentative date for her trial had been set for July, but it 39 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:10.439 remains unclear she will have recovered from her treatment by that time. This according 40 00:03:10.479 --> 00:03:15.919 to Politico and an article which is titled, first of all, it's under 41 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:22.039 the New Jersey subheadline, Nadine Menendez, co defendant in Senator Bob Menendez's bribery 42 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:28.199 trial, diagnosed with advanced breast cancer. But meanwhile, what has also come 43 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:31.080 out of this news this week is that Senator Bob there says, you know, 44 00:03:31.520 --> 00:03:35.479 the key to the closet with all the gold bars and all that stuff, 45 00:03:35.680 --> 00:03:37.960 his wife had control of it. He didn't even know about it. 46 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:42.319 So maybe he's trying to toss the wife at least partially under the bus. 47 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:46.520 Kind of interesting. The Democratic senator from Jersey, I don't know. Can 48 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:50.639 I play a clip here? Maybe I can play a clip here, let's 49 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:59.159 try. This is a reporter's badgering the couple as they come out, Bob 50 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:02.800 Menendez and Dean on their way out of court. Uh Thursday, I guess, 51 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:06.039 so, I guess that's yesterday? No today? Okay, coming out 52 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:11.120 of court today? Are you riding again? You write every really fight around 53 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:25.439 a rich could all do? About the guys? I don't want the way 54 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:28.720 you lawyers just telling people to get the hell out of the way, et 55 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:32.360 cetera, standard, et cetera, et cetera. And uh yeah, him 56 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:35.199 not answering the questions as they're asking him if he's going to run again and 57 00:04:35.240 --> 00:04:40.560 all that. So that's what the audio clip was there. Do I want 58 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:43.839 to cover all this news for you? Maybe, but not today. Maybe 59 00:04:43.839 --> 00:04:46.279 we'll cover it some on the Friday night show and you can join us at 60 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:50.160 three one nine, five two seven five zero one six. If you don't 61 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:54.199 want to join me for the open mic, perhaps you'll want to join me 62 00:04:54.279 --> 00:04:59.560 for what will be the focus of this hour, which is a gentleman who 63 00:04:59.600 --> 00:05:03.920 passed a a couple of days ago as I speak to you, and here 64 00:05:03.959 --> 00:05:11.360 it is a report from a Pittsburgh, PA TV channel, looks like ABC 65 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:15.720 twenty seven in Pittsburgh, and I'll just play the clip for you and then 66 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:18.519 we'll get into the rest of what I have to discuss for this evening before 67 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:24.920 eight pm and the open mic live show starts. Doctor Cyril Wett of Pittsburgh, 68 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:28.759 who may be the most famous pathologist in US history, has died at 69 00:05:28.759 --> 00:05:32.399 the age of ninety three. As a pathologist, Wegck helped investigate the disappearance 70 00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:36.959 of Jean Benny Ramsey and the death of Thomas Presley and Michael Jackson. He 71 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:44.839 most famously participated in the investigation of the assassination of JFK. Weck never did 72 00:05:44.839 --> 00:05:49.720 believe this single bullet theory. Weck was also elected corner and assistant District Attorney 73 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:56.319 in Alleghany County, Okay. A couple of things they missed from his obituary, 74 00:05:56.480 --> 00:06:00.879 so I will turn around and cover them for you and also place obituary 75 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:08.480 in the live chatroom at O'Kelly dot com, because I think it is a 76 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:12.120 sad, sad day that we have lost somebody who did make a great many 77 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:19.000 efforts to reveal truth to the public about a lot of crimes, some of 78 00:06:19.079 --> 00:06:24.000 his revelations and all of that. I mean, I questioned over the years, 79 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:29.319 etc. But nobody could deny that the guy was an absolute hero all 80 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:33.720 the way from the nineteen sixties to now regarding the Kennedy assassination and this sixty 81 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:41.560 year journey that the public has been on ever since they started telling us live 82 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:45.519 out of Dallas that Kennedy was shot, Oswald did it. The whole weekend 83 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:48.959 closes out with Oswald dying and then of course the national funeral and all that 84 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:57.199 Weck had questions seemingly from then participated in the Garrison trial and his participation not 85 00:06:57.319 --> 00:07:01.920 just being a naysayer and a conspiracy theorist as that TV news report seemed to 86 00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:06.600 represent. There was a lot more to them. Let's see if they did 87 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:14.759 any better the obituary in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette. Let's go to that. 88 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:18.160 And as I said, I do have the live Chatroommetowchelli dot com. I 89 00:07:18.199 --> 00:07:23.360 do believe I posted the link to what I'm about to read to you from 90 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:26.240 there, and it will be in the show notes as well, because we'll 91 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:30.839 make this a separate podcast from the normal Friday Night Melee anyway. Reading from 92 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:38.759 the Post Gazette obituary, Cyril Harrison weckt, a long time and occasionally polarizing 93 00:07:38.839 --> 00:07:45.879 fixture in Alleghany County politics whose forensic expertise was sought in thousands of cases, 94 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:50.839 from that of a slain US president and another involving a murdered beauty queen, 95 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:59.439 to nursing home debts and industrial accidents, died Monday. He was ninety three. 96 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:05.240 From the cloth of a bygone political era, doctor We's flair and unwillingness 97 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:11.399 to mince words made him what many considered a larger than life figure in Pittsburgh 98 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:16.160 and in legal, medical, and political worlds. Quote to me, Cyril 99 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:22.800 always had sort of a veneer of immortality. It seemed like he would never 100 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:28.319 die. He was always larger than life, said Jerry McDevitt, a friend 101 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:33.200 and attorney who represented doctor Weck during a criminal trial in the two thousands. 102 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:35.879 In a way, he was immortal because of what he's done, because of 103 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:41.519 his life, his career. He's one of the leading figures in Pittsburgh history. 104 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:46.960 Quote he just lived a life that's the envy of everybody. Quote end 105 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:52.799 quote. He said. The pathologist a pioneer when he went into the field 106 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:58.240 in the nineteen sixties. Conducted more than twenty thousand autopsies during his career and 107 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:03.679 consulted on postmortem exams for another forty thousand. He wrote dozens of books and 108 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:09.360 hundreds of other professional publications, and he continued his speaking engagements well into the 109 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:15.200 last years of his life. He was the first civilian to examine the evidence 110 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:20.279 in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. He believed that John Benet Ramsay's 111 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:24.000 father killed her, but it was an accident. He opined that Elvis Presley 112 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:28.799 died of an overdose. Now I'm going to pause from the article here, 113 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:33.399 first civilian to examine the evidence in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. 114 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:37.320 Not so certain that that's true. His examination of the medical evidence took place 115 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:39.960 in nineteen seventy two. I know this just you know this is not from 116 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:43.919 the articles for me. Took place in nineteen seventy two, after several years 117 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:52.200 of requesting Burke Marshall, who was the gatekeeper attorney for the Kennedy family that 118 00:09:52.960 --> 00:10:00.440 would only allow researchers with legitimate need and medical backgrounds to look at the medical 119 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:05.080 evidence. Took him until nineteen seventy two to get to actually see what is 120 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:09.759 in existence at the National Archives under the geed of deed of gift. Excuse 121 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:16.159 me left by missus Kennedy. Anyway, Let's get back to this obituary. 122 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:20.960 That was his hobby, said Tim Urick, a friend and a longtime colleague. 123 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:26.279 Quote some people play golf. End quote. He would say, quote 124 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:31.840 this is my hobby. End quote. But doctor Weck also recommended charges against 125 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:37.679 a subcontractor involved in a project that killed an ironworker at the David L. 126 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:43.080 Lawrence Convention Center in two thousand and two. He held inquests into nursing home 127 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:48.399 debts and police shootings. Quote. He firmly believed in the concept of independent 128 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:52.519 medical legal investigations, and that was hard for a lot of people to accept. 129 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:58.679 End quote. Mister Uurrick said. Former Allegheny County executive Rich Fitzgerald offered 130 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:05.200 a simuler sentiment. Doctor Wex's roots were in this region and he never forgot 131 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:09.559 that. While Cyril achieved national fame because of his many high profile cases he 132 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:16.159 consulted on, he always called southwestern Pennsylvania home. Mister Fitzgerald said he was 133 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:20.159 born in Green County, grew up in the city, earned his bachelor and 134 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:24.240 medical degrees from the University of Pittsburgh, and he and his wife raised their 135 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:30.679 children here. Doctor Weck, a Green County native who grew up in the 136 00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:37.679 McKees, Rocks and Pittsburgh's Hill District, is survived by his wife and children, 137 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:41.480 David, Daniel, Benjamin, and Ingrid. Funeral burial and shibba will 138 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:46.720 be private and a public memorial service will be announced in the future. So 139 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:50.559 there's more to that obituary, but a couple of things that they left out. 140 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:56.240 He was part of the official investigation regarding the House Select Committee on Assassinations. 141 00:11:56.279 --> 00:12:00.600 He was part of the legal medical panel there, and you know, 142 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:05.799 there was some chicanery that took place regarding his ability to attend certain sessions during 143 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:09.759 the House Select Committee on Assassinations. He, as i said, got the 144 00:12:11.159 --> 00:12:16.840 legal go ahead to visit with the medical evidence on file at the National Archives 145 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:22.600 under the Kennedy assassination. And indeed he consulted in a great many high profile 146 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:28.720 cases. Also the Duquane School of Legal Medicine is named this serial h. 147 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:33.840 Weck Institute. And I think all of those components are necessary and should have 148 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:39.120 been noted in this obituary, as opposed to taking the time to quote others 149 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:46.559 about the remarkable career of cerro Weck. But in addition, let's visit with 150 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:52.879 a few of Cyri Weck's words, And I'll begin with one of the earliest 151 00:12:52.879 --> 00:13:00.159 things that anybody ever saw again publicly. He you know, actually testified in 152 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:03.559 the clay Shaw trial, and that was in I believe sixty nine. By 153 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:07.279 the time they got him on the stand, he was treated in a rather 154 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:15.840 interesting way anyway. Yeah, he was on CBSTV before that during their multiple 155 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:20.240 specials and broadcasts supporting the Warrent Commission. But they also had to show him 156 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:24.919 as the you know opposition, if you will, the legal medical opposition out 157 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:28.960 there. Here's a doctor that says, maybe this isn't exactly as they're stating 158 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:31.480 it to us regarding the magic bullet. Even before he got to see the 159 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:37.240 evidence, he pretty much nailed it. Now, was Cyril always exactly on 160 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:41.200 point about this? He asked the right questions early on. That's for damn 161 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:45.360 Shore and it had a lot to do with the way others would question it 162 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:50.840 later. It was also, you know, shown in just about every documentary 163 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:58.039 for probably the first forty years of the time since the assassination. I mean, 164 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:01.919 you know, including the CBS documentary. I don't remember if NBC invited 165 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:05.240 them. I don't remember if others had invited him, you know, in 166 00:14:05.320 --> 00:14:09.240 the early or mid to late sixties, I don't remember that. But I 167 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:15.559 do know in the nineteen seventies and ever after, into the eighties and into 168 00:14:15.559 --> 00:14:20.480 the nineties and into the two thousands, if you were assembling talking heads for 169 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:26.679 a documentary piece, a legitimate documentary piece, you almost certainly had to seek 170 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:33.639 out Cyril Weckt. And evidence of that, I'll tell you one of the 171 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:37.320 most again not necessarily most correct pieces of media ever created, but one of 172 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:43.639 the most thought provoking and remarkable revolutionary watershed if you will, regarding public sentiment 173 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:48.080 on the Kennedy assassination, was this thing they called The Men Who Killed Kennedy 174 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:52.919 multi part series, as presented in the United States by the History Channel, 175 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:58.320 and during the very opening of the show, if I remember correctly, and 176 00:14:58.399 --> 00:15:01.320 I have a clip right here, and maybe I'll give you guys links to 177 00:15:01.320 --> 00:15:05.000 the clips. Maybe I won't. Maybe we'll just play some of Cerial's words 178 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:09.360 as they were utilized in one of those documentaries. And again, this was 179 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:16.159 around the twentieth or twentieth between the twentieth and twenty fifth anniversary of the Kennedy 180 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:20.960 assassination, around the time that I actually begin to get active in the research 181 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:24.759 community. Well, doctor Weck had already been there twenty years, you know, 182 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:30.960 actually twenty five years. And he continued on, you know, let's 183 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:37.039 not forget the conferences at Duquane University at the serial WECT, the serial h 184 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:41.759 WECT, excuse me, school of law and medicine. But let's go back 185 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:45.919 in time a little. Remember who we're talking about, in case you're uninitiated, 186 00:15:45.960 --> 00:15:48.320 in case you're one of my listeners who's not fully aware of every character 187 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:54.039 in the Kennedy assassination saga, the media and content that's out there. The 188 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:58.720 remarkable, remarkable individual who wrote, yes, like I said, many books, 189 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:03.200 who wrote many a text who gave lots of opinions, and was involved 190 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:07.720 in a lot of high profile cases quite often after the fact. Let's take 191 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:10.960 a listen to one of the earliest things that a lot of you might have 192 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:15.879 ever seen a clip from the Man who killed Kennedy. If it could be 193 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:19.080 done to John F. Kennedy in nineteen sixty three, it could be done 194 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:23.399 to another president in the future. And we can't afford to have coupdatas in 195 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:30.440 America. No matter how cleverly orchestrated and sinisterly contrived they may be. That 196 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:33.399 cannot be permitted to happen. And the way in which you prevent that from 197 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:37.799 happening is to expose those elements of government and society in this country that were 198 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:44.639 responsible for the killing of John F. Kennedy. Seth eloquent words inserted into 199 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:49.120 the documentary, and that's serial h wack. But let's go for a slightly 200 00:16:49.159 --> 00:16:52.519 more extended piece of work. As a matter of fact, to two thousand 201 00:16:52.519 --> 00:16:56.879 and three, at the fortieth anniversary, there was a gathering. I don't 202 00:16:56.879 --> 00:17:00.679 remember if it was the first one. I don't remember how many they might 203 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:03.919 have had before, but to me this was remarkable, and I know this 204 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:07.839 caught the attention of many people in the research community. In two thousand and 205 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:14.279 three, at the fortieth anniversary, they held an event and that event went 206 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:18.839 on all weekend. A conference at Duquanne University regarding passing the torch onto the 207 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:25.680 next generation. And he even invited Arlen Spector, along with people like Walt 208 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:30.759 Brown, along with people like I believe David Mantick was present. You know, 209 00:17:32.799 --> 00:17:37.759 all the names you could possibly think of, from Josiah Thompson on to 210 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:42.960 Jim de Eugenio who showed up with just if I remember correctly, a handful 211 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:48.440 of index cards. And thankfully this is available out there for purchase. I 212 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:52.079 mean, you can get this whole conference from that weekend. But the tail 213 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:56.359 end of his remarks, the keynote speech, at the very beginning of the 214 00:17:56.400 --> 00:18:03.319 conference, I think is highly revealing and relevant. And I say again, 215 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:07.440 instead of looking at quotations from others or hearing Neo Pine about the impact and 216 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:15.079 importance of Cyril Weck, let's hear from Syria Weck. We talked about the 217 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:19.359 assassination and try to understand it, why it took place, and why it 218 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:23.079 might it have occurred. And may I point out to you again, if 219 00:18:23.079 --> 00:18:27.599 you don't know history and you don't place something at the time that had occurred, 220 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:33.880 it's you know, it's like meaningless. Even an argument with your spouse, 221 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:37.319 the loss of a ballgame. Whatever. You got to know what the 222 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:47.599 facts were, what was going on, what was happening nationally internationally. Do 223 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:52.480 we have a real cold war with Russia where there's some people that wanted to 224 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:57.559 drop some atomic bombs even right after World War Two? You remember Admiral Crommelin 225 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:03.559 and General whatever his name was. I'll think of it that one of the 226 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:07.359 drop bombs in it was still we're talking about dropping atomic bombs on Russia, 227 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:10.480 just to you know, we'll teach them they better not make a move. 228 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:15.400 I think he meant to say le may. But look, I'm going to 229 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:18.279 continue on with his statement. I just want to point out that the idea 230 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:22.680 that he only talked about the magic bullet, and he only talked about, 231 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:26.039 you know, the stuff that he did at the mock trial that Bugliosi held, 232 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:33.680 and Bugliosi, you know, continuously mispronounced his name and badgered him a 233 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:37.839 bit and bullied him, as Bugliosi was likely to do. And even he 234 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:41.880 and Bugliosi attempted to be somewhat cordial to one another, or at least Cyril 235 00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:48.599 did. I mean, Bugliosi was flatly a dick. But you know Cyril 236 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:52.680 Weckt was passionate, and I think you can hear the diverse tones in his 237 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:57.519 sentimentality here during this speech. So let's continue on with it. Now, 238 00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:02.319 What if you had somebody maybe we ate it might be a little warming of 239 00:20:02.359 --> 00:20:07.480 that Cold War Cuba, ninety miles away, Havana. Hey, maybe there 240 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:10.680 might be a little bit of a day talent here. Maybe you know, 241 00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:14.400 we might work something odd. We've had dictators, we've dealt with them before, 242 00:20:14.599 --> 00:20:18.559 usually right wing dictators. But maybe we could pick up a lefty two 243 00:20:18.119 --> 00:20:26.400 won't kill us. And then how about the Vietnam War. It's beginning to 244 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:32.160 blossom and burgeon and there's loss and comebo to you. Hey, maybe we 245 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:34.240 might give that a second thought. Maybe we'll get the hell out of there 246 00:20:34.279 --> 00:20:40.000 and come on back home and home. Yeah, hey, what about those 247 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:45.680 Jim Crow laws? What about all those blacks in the South that fought just 248 00:20:45.799 --> 00:20:48.200 like white troops fought in World War Two and got killed? What about all 249 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:52.559 those blacks that can't go in the restaurants, can't go in the theaters. 250 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:55.799 When I went to Montgomery, Alabama, called into the Air Force in nineteen 251 00:20:55.839 --> 00:21:00.240 fifty nine, I had intelligent young man of twenty nine thirty whatever, And 252 00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:07.119 I still I couldn't believe you separate benches, separate water fountains, separate days 253 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:10.599 and entrances to the park and so on and so forth, And there were 254 00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:15.119 things to deal with in America. Those were the things that were happening. 255 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:23.279 When you want to try to understand this case forensic science, John referred to 256 00:21:23.319 --> 00:21:29.200 it. There was no DNA, but there was blood typing. There was 257 00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:33.119 the ability to examine tissues and see what kinds of tissues they might be. 258 00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:40.200 There were things that could be learned. We didn't you know, Conan Doyle 259 00:21:40.279 --> 00:21:45.039 laid out a few things with Sherlock Holmes. We didn't wait for criminalistics to 260 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:48.440 evolve until there was a Henry Lee. There were some things going on back 261 00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:52.079 in those years, etc. That could and should have been done. And 262 00:21:55.119 --> 00:22:00.599 Henry Lely was present at that conference as well. I don't think he gave 263 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:04.039 such a stunning performance doctor Lee at the conference and all, but it was 264 00:22:04.119 --> 00:22:10.880 what it was. Cyril had a lot of respect for Henry Lee. I'm 265 00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:15.759 not sure what I always thought of Henry Lee, but again, you know, 266 00:22:15.880 --> 00:22:18.480 it was it was interesting to behold. So I'm going to rewind this 267 00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:22.359 just a little bit because I got a strange interruption there, But let's continue 268 00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:26.119 on with Cyril's comments home. Yeah, hey, what about those Jim crow 269 00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:33.759 lot blood typing. There was the ability to examine tissues and see what kinds 270 00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:38.640 of tissues they might be. It's worthy to remind people also that, you 271 00:22:38.680 --> 00:22:45.240 know, politically, doctor Weck was a figure in the Democratic Party in Pittsburgh, 272 00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:49.559 but you know, not a Democrat like you see today, more of 273 00:22:49.599 --> 00:22:55.799 a classic sort of Democrat that was a true believer and an idealist. He 274 00:22:55.880 --> 00:23:00.119 seemed to have this idea that we could still correct everything that, you know, 275 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:03.480 there was a possibility of us being a little more evolved in all that 276 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:07.440 kind of thing. Not with the crazy, you know, insane mad scientists, 277 00:23:07.480 --> 00:23:10.720 you know, making a boy and do a girl and all this kind 278 00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:15.680 of nonsense, but I mean literal like the idea that justice could still be 279 00:23:15.759 --> 00:23:19.359 served in America, we could still set things right, we could still live 280 00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:27.440 according to you know, the Constitution as individuals protected by it and protected by 281 00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:33.359 the spirit of it, which is not granted by the government but is literally 282 00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:36.880 granted by virtue of your creation. You know, that kind of thing. 283 00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:41.200 He was also Yeah, chairman of the Democratic Party. I believe in Pittsburgh 284 00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:45.119 or in Alleghany there coroner long time, this and that, and at one 285 00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:51.720 point they even tried to destroy him professionally. They went after him in a 286 00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:56.440 court case and really really just about bankrupted them. And still he held these 287 00:23:56.480 --> 00:24:02.000 conferences, by the way, which are highly remarkable and extremely astute, and 288 00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:11.160 even sometimes you could apply for college credits based as part of Pennsylvania's continuing education 289 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:15.559 adult education programs and things like that. You could have college credits if you 290 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:22.000 wanted your time at his conferences converted into them and all that. But again 291 00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:27.880 as a public figure, still astounding the contribution he made speaking, showing up, 292 00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:33.400 going everywhere from the six Floor Museum to different debates, to doing radio 293 00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:37.720 shows, et cetera, et cetera. And a guy who you know, 294 00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:45.359 had a living had a solid set circumstance in his local situation, probably could 295 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:48.039 have ignored all this, probably could have kept his mouth shut. But he 296 00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:52.240 was also again involved in the high profile cases. People would call on him 297 00:24:52.279 --> 00:24:57.440 a lot more often than Michael Bodden, who led that stupid HSCA panel that 298 00:24:57.519 --> 00:25:03.920 they begrudgingly allowed to participate on. But he was part of the House Select 299 00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:07.160 Committee again, the Medical panel. So let's go back to his comments again 300 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:15.799 from two thousand and three at Duquine University opening up one of the JFK symposiums 301 00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:21.359 that they had. There were things that could be learned. We didn't, 302 00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:26.559 you know, Conan Doyle laid out a few things with Charlock Holmes. We 303 00:25:26.599 --> 00:25:30.960 didn't wait for criminalistics to evolve until there was a Henry Lee. There were 304 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:34.240 some things going on back in those years, et cetera, that could and 305 00:25:34.279 --> 00:25:40.440 should have been done, and there are things that still could be done today. 306 00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:44.759 Talk about the single bullet, and I deliberately am not showing my slides. 307 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:48.039 We'll get into all of that in the next three days and so on. 308 00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:51.759 But there were experiments done then and there are experiments that could still be 309 00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:56.319 done today. Oh bullets can do this fine? Is that right? My 310 00:25:56.519 --> 00:26:00.119 favorite slide, which I definitely will show with this conference sometime. My favorite 311 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:07.799 slide is that composite picture where they firing three in using three sets of targets, 312 00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:14.160 cotton watting goat carcasses fracturing one rib to simulate Connley's rib fracture, human 313 00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:22.680 cadavers shooting through the RADII to simulate Conolly's radial fracture. They then selected the 314 00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:27.559 representative bullet from each of those three categories to support their case. A beautiful 315 00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:33.079 slide. There is commissioned Exhibit three ninety nine in all of its grandeur. 316 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:36.039 And you got the two bullets that went into the cotton watting striking nothing, 317 00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:40.839 and you'll see the extrusion of some lead from the base from the impact of 318 00:26:40.839 --> 00:26:44.880 the firing mechanism. The bullet that broke one rib of a goat looks wider 319 00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:47.759 and flatter, you say at first glance, Hey, that's a different caliber 320 00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:51.279 ammunition. Uh uh, it's distorted. And then the bullet that broke one 321 00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:55.440 radius and the human cadaver has the typical mushrooming, peeling back effect. That's 322 00:26:55.480 --> 00:27:00.200 the slide. They won't repeat that experiment. Professor John Nichols, mythologist at 323 00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:04.279 University of Kansas Medical School, he did this clandestinely. He got exactly the 324 00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:12.440 same results. That experiment could be done tomorrow repeatedly. Well, here from 325 00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:19.200 my beloved friend and distinguished colleague, Michael Biden. We'll hear then what the 326 00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:23.400 response is. Maybe Michael has a surprise for me. Okay, So he's 327 00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:26.920 going to talk about Michael Bobden appearing at this conference as well, which I 328 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:30.240 find remarkable. Again, you know, a guy who supports the whole Oswald 329 00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:33.920 did it, but with the help of the mob somehow. Yeah, all 330 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:38.039 that good stuff. And James Starrs even goes in there. I think it's 331 00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:47.559 doctor Stars suggesting that maybe an exhumation of jfk could reveal a great deal. 332 00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:51.920 And it could true. Plus, you know the ever nagging question of what 333 00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:56.440 the hell happened to John F. Kennedy's brain. Sirah Weck is responsible for 334 00:27:56.839 --> 00:28:03.319 that resonating question in my mind. Anyway, back to his opening comments here, 335 00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:04.920 and I'm not going to play them all. I just want to give 336 00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:10.759 you guys a full sense of where Sarah was act, you know, twenty 337 00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:15.640 years ago on this and up until the day he died. I'm certain the 338 00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:19.680 same sentiment prevailed, although it might not have sounded quite as strong twenty years 339 00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:26.039 later, you know, more recently at ninety three. But anyway, continuing 340 00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:29.559 in nineteen seventy eight, I said to my eight colleagues, Yeah, it 341 00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:32.519 was eight to one, as Michael pointed out upstairs in the news media, 342 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:34.720 it was eight to one, and I said at that time, Okay, 343 00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:41.319 you guys are very good, all board certified experience forensic fologists. You've done 344 00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:45.400 thousands of autopsies. I would say probably collectively among the eight of you, 345 00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:48.400 you got one hundred thousand autopsies in place and at your offices from your distinguished 346 00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:52.640 colleagues and predecessors. You may have a quarter of a million more. And 347 00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:56.079 you can go to Europe and Asian Africa and reach out. You'll bring back 348 00:28:56.119 --> 00:29:02.079 to me one bullet, not one percent, not one hundredth not one thousands, 349 00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:07.240 one bullet that has ever done. Would you claim this bullet did that 350 00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:11.359 was twenty five years ago. Well, I'm still waiting for that present. 351 00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:15.000 I'm still waiting for that bullet twenty five years later. And so, my 352 00:29:15.079 --> 00:29:19.799 friends, where are we? And why are we there? Where are we? 353 00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:26.960 Is here at this wonderful convocation with all of these great experts, and 354 00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:30.759 we're going to learn a lot, And why are we here? Well, 355 00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:36.279 we're here. Even those who believe the Warrant Commission was right. I hope 356 00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:42.799 they would be strong enough in their professionalism to say, hey, there are 357 00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:48.680 some unanswered questions. Yeah, we make that quantum leap despite the inadequate and 358 00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:52.599 ut ridiculous autopsy, not recognizing a bullet hole in the front of the President's 359 00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:56.799 neck, thinking that a bullet could be forced out back through a seven by 360 00:29:56.799 --> 00:30:00.319 four millimeter hole in the back when an external carda massage pressure is a applied 361 00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:03.000 to the front of the chest. The next day, thinking that a bullet 362 00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:06.440 traveling twenty one hundred feet per second, going through six inches of soft tissue 363 00:30:06.440 --> 00:30:08.279 in the neck would see the starch white call of the President get frightened to 364 00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:12.440 death and pop absolutely dead right in his tracks. And then five months later 365 00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:18.079 that bullet, now having been reinvigorated and having been restored with full vibrancy and 366 00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:21.599 energy, now has picked itself up out of the front of his clothing, 367 00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:23.759 gone through colleagues, has gone through colonies rusks, and in the colonies left 368 00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:27.279 thigh. It's a hell of a bullet. It is, indeed the magic 369 00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:33.359 bullet. It happily and readily accommodates you whatever you need and whatever point in 370 00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:37.200 time it will do that for you. And I hope that my colleagues even 371 00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:41.880 and my friends and others on that side will recognize that, yes, there 372 00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.079 are things that still can be done. Let's put an end to this stuff 373 00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:49.079 then, so there won't be a fiftieth anniversary, and we'll show once and 374 00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:55.119 for all the critic researchers that we got it right. But to those of 375 00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:59.000 us who are among the eighty to eighty five percent of the American public, 376 00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:03.319 they continue consistently to reject the Warran Commission report. Yes, despite all of 377 00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:08.559 the establishments. News media people, despite their Dan Rathers and the Peter Jennings, 378 00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:15.519 the people whose careers and reputations bloomed and blossomed and emanated from their coverage 379 00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:19.119 in those years, they're not about to back off from there. These are 380 00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:23.480 news media megalomaniacs, ego centric people to the ultimate degree. They're going to 381 00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:27.319 choke and swallow and renig and rescind on that. Yeah, sure, you 382 00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:33.000 wait for hellifreeze over before that will ever happen. Okay, those people, 383 00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:38.759 despite them, and they're continuing efforts to show last nights, to show that's 384 00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:44.319 going on right now as we are here gathered once again attempting to whitewash. 385 00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:47.119 And you want to know something, it's not going to make any difference. 386 00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:49.799 Eighty to eighty five percent of the Americans, including the high school kids who 387 00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:53.680 are here tonight are going to continue to reject the Warrant Commission. Is that 388 00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:56.880 heart science? No, it's not heart science. But you tell me how 389 00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:01.240 many subjects you can think of America that I have eighty to eighty five percent 390 00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:07.319 of Americans consistently, repeatedly over decades voting the same way, Black, White, 391 00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:09.920 North, South, Catholic, Protestant, jew North, you name it, 392 00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:15.119 South, whatever religion, whatever group you name it. There aren't eighty 393 00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:17.359 five percent of people who think that baseball is a good sport. There aren't 394 00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:22.319 eighty five percent of people who think that sex is a good idea. And 395 00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:25.960 you got eighty five percent. So it is there, and all of the 396 00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:31.079 apologists are not going to make it go away. See what's remarkable about this 397 00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:36.480 is he's commenting and responding to the media blitz that was already going on that 398 00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:43.880 weekend supporting the magic bullet theory, supporting the Warren Commission, supporting the Will. 399 00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:47.079 They might have gotten some things wrong, but overall, we know Oswald 400 00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:52.200 is the guilty party. Period. We know it. We know it for 401 00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:55.559 certain. As a matter of fact, Arlen Spector famously was going around during 402 00:32:55.759 --> 00:33:00.039 this conference and telling the news media, the gather media that were there for 403 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:04.880 press conferences and stuff. I think it was on the second floor. You 404 00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:10.160 know, it's not a magic bullet theory anymore. It's a magic bullet fact. 405 00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:15.559 This is what happened. That's all there is to it. All of 406 00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:17.759 this stuff you're about to see, all this weekend, all of anything else, 407 00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:23.480 all the questions, they're not relevant because we had the facts in nineteen 408 00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:30.079 sixty four when we presented them to Lyndon Baines Johnson, then President, that 409 00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:36.160 President's Commission on the assassination of his predecessor, the previous president. Right, 410 00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:40.720 we called the Warrant Commission. More fairly, it should be called the dullest 411 00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:47.359 commission anyway. Continuing with Cyril's comments, and why can't we then allow it 412 00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:52.440 to go away? I'll tell you why my thought in closing, because it 413 00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:59.160 was in chest a murder, as was pointed out upstairs by Roger Feinman and 414 00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:00.839 Guy and many as it pointed it out. And you all know this, 415 00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:05.920 of course, but maybe some of the younger people and non lawyers don't realize 416 00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:08.800 there's no statute limitations on homicide. Well even then, you say, hey, 417 00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:14.239 but aren't there unsolved murders, Yes there are, but not of presidents, 418 00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:16.400 not of presidents, of you and me and of our neighbors and our 419 00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:21.679 friends and our relatives. Yes, but not of presidents. Okay, so 420 00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:24.599 as a president was an important man, but so what so? What of 421 00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:29.840 it is? We know, my friends? And it came to be known 422 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:37.599 darn soon that the Russians and the Chinese and the Cubans individually collectively did not 423 00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:45.039 orchestrate this assassination. The plans did not emanate, did not spring from the 424 00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:52.119 fertile Macavelian malevolent minds of the people in Moscow, in Beijing and Havana. 425 00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:59.440 It came to me known, darn soon that Americans were behind this. That's 426 00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:07.320 painful, very very painful. Indeed, where do you go? What doors 427 00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:12.159 do you knock upon? What rooms do you enter? And what are you 428 00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:15.360 going to find as you walk into those edifices? Do we want to go 429 00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:25.519 that way? Oswald's dead. He's been executed by Jack Ruby. It's all 430 00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:31.079 over. This guy two and a half years in Russia, communist sympathizer, 431 00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:37.679 not a very likable person. It's over. Man Johnson wants that report. 432 00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:40.760 Get it in, hurry up, finish it, wrap it up smoothly. 433 00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:46.519 Do you think for one moment whatever any of us here tonight may think about 434 00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:51.519 Jaigar Hoover And I know what ninety percent of us probably think about Jackar Hoover 435 00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:58.199 and about Lyndon Johnson. Were they're two more knowledgeable, politically savvy, powerful 436 00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:02.159 individuals in America? Is there anything in America that if they wanted to find 437 00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:06.400 out, they could not have found out? If Jericho Whover wanted to find 438 00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:08.199 out how many times you had sex with your wife, how many times you 439 00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:12.440 went to the bathroom, whether you carry your lunch to work, I guarantee 440 00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:15.039 you he would have put on sixty or one hundred FBI agents and he would 441 00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:19.239 have found out. My point simply is, well, I don't believe in 442 00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:22.199 my critic research, your friends, one or more of them may believe otherwise. 443 00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:24.920 I don't believe that Hoover or Johnson had anything to do with the primary 444 00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:30.559 conspiracy. Jill Kill Kennedy. Do I believe that they came to know everything 445 00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:34.199 later on? You bet your life there's no way in the world that those 446 00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:37.639 two people would not have come to know. But that was not the time 447 00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:43.239 to get into things, because who knows who was responsible, and maybe you 448 00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:45.800 think you know, and maybe we'll come to learn a little bit more in 449 00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:49.920 the next three days. That's not exactly our purpose, but what our purpose 450 00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:53.719 is is to seek truth, to seek justice, and to come to know 451 00:36:54.159 --> 00:37:00.679 and to recognize what happened on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. Okay, 452 00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:04.559 So with that, I'm gonna pause. There's a couple of callers on 453 00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:07.880 the line, and if you want to join in on this conversation before we 454 00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:13.280 kick into the regular call in show, I have open lines three one nine, 455 00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:17.239 five, two seven five zero one six. And the thing is that 456 00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:21.000 you know, in a few minutes here, let's see what time is it. 457 00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:23.679 Uh Yeah, in about twenty minutes, you can talk about anything you 458 00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:28.079 want. But if you're calling in now and you're on the line now, 459 00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:34.679 I want comments about Zero Wet and his impact on the Kennedy assassination, because 460 00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:42.760 this is a separate presentation to just pay respect to a guy who definitely added 461 00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:49.840 to our base of knowledge, definitely contributed to the base of knowledge for thousands 462 00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:54.719 of other people, and you know, so on so three one nine, 463 00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:58.960 five, two seven five zero one six, I will allow you to come 464 00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:01.920 on and talk about serre wact for now until we get to the open mic 465 00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:08.519 show where you can talk about anything you want. So it looks like I 466 00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:15.719 might have Jimmy James online. Jimmy, is that you, yes, sir, 467 00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:21.639 so, like I said, anything you want to discuss regarding serial whact 468 00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:25.159 right now, but in about twenty minutes we'll have you know, open open 469 00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:31.519 for him. Good. Well, yes, that's for sure what I wanted 470 00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:36.880 to call in about. Of course, it's a huge loss to the community. 471 00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:45.519 Uh. The man was truly genius. I mean right, I mean 472 00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:51.320 in any sense of the word. He truly was a genius. And uh 473 00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:55.400 boy, this is probably the biggest hit to the community since the passing of 474 00:38:55.480 --> 00:39:01.440 Mark Lane. I don't know, it's the top one. I mean, 475 00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:10.880 he's been omni present since I even became interested in this case, this assassination. 476 00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:15.440 He's always been there, right, and now he's not. And that's 477 00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:20.960 not a good feeling for me or I'm sure anyone else in the community, 478 00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:25.639 especially those who knew him personally, and even more so for his family, 479 00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:34.360 Ben and all of them. I'm just sorry to hear this passing. And 480 00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:37.880 I mean we got all those yeah, I mean Jimmy. Look, we 481 00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:40.800 gotta be honest. I mean, the guy was ninety three. It's not 482 00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:45.599 like, you know, nobody's gonna run around saying there's some conspiracy regarding his 483 00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:49.079 death or anything. He was older. This is the way it was. 484 00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:52.880 But you know, truly sixty years ago, this guy got involved right away, 485 00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:58.519 and he was on CBSTV as one of the few people going, wait 486 00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:00.960 a minute, I got questions, you know, in the sixty seven reports. 487 00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:06.360 I remember he was definitely part of that. He participated testified in the 488 00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:12.320 Shaw trial, right he showed up anywhere just about anybody asked him to, 489 00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:16.079 you know, to speak about this, to talk about it, and a 490 00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:21.000 lot of the points that he brings up during these opening remarks are exactly the 491 00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:24.719 same points I guess what he made for decades. And like I said, 492 00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:29.800 they didn't even mention in the obituary that he was part of the House Select 493 00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:36.119 Committee on Assassinations. You know, it's it's wild, it's remarkable. And 494 00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:40.960 here's a guy who certainly could have had his life set and just had been 495 00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:45.880 a local fixture and had been you know, part of the Pittsburgh thing, 496 00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:50.320 and still had that law school named after him, and everything else, but 497 00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:52.440 he continued to do this. I don't know what Ben, because Ben is 498 00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:58.280 mainly the son that's involved, you know, with Duquine and the serial h 499 00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:04.000 weckt, you know, school of Legal Medicine. And I don't know if 500 00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:07.800 there'll be more conferences. I don't know, but I hope so, and 501 00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:12.920 I hope things continue on in his name. And no matter who you are, 502 00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:15.159 whether you agreed with him or you thought he was, you know, 503 00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:19.199 dead on point about everything, or you didn't like if he came out during 504 00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:23.679 you know, this or that controversy, whatever, nobody could deny that this 505 00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:30.960 guy contributed to the overall knowledge base and inspired a whole lot of people to 506 00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:37.360 dig into things that they would have never attempted had he not started the ball 507 00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:45.000 rolling and talking about the forensic pathological areas here the legal medical part of this, 508 00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:49.239 the let's talk about the ballistics, let's talk about the wounds, let's 509 00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:52.360 talk about all that stuff. And like I said, it took him until 510 00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:59.960 nineteen seventy two to even get into the National Archives to see the medical eviden 511 00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:04.199 collection. Right. He applied for years and years and didn't get in there 512 00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:07.800 until seventy two. And another key thing is that, you know what, 513 00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:10.760 when people would always ask what happened to the brain? What happened to the 514 00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:15.159 brain? Well, you know, I think Sarah Weck started asking that question 515 00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:20.199 probably around the time I was born, because seventy two, same year he 516 00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:23.639 got into the National Archives is precisely the year that I was born. So 517 00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:28.639 there you have it. I don't know how anybody could deny the impact. 518 00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:32.880 It is a very sad thing, and absolutely I think that this is a 519 00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:38.880 gigantic hole now in the research community that I don't know if anybody will actually 520 00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:44.360 be able to fill it. But I'm hoping that some people step up and 521 00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:47.960 try to, you know, to fill that gap that is now left by 522 00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:52.400 this man who did this for again more than half a century. And I 523 00:42:52.519 --> 00:43:01.679 tend to think you agree with me, Jimmy. Yeah, well Jimmy might 524 00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:05.199 have hung up, but that's okay. And you know what, I'm gonna 525 00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:09.360 go back to Cyril's comments here and close this out before we get to the 526 00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:15.760 regular open mic. I think this is absolutely necessary to pay tribute to Cyril 527 00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:19.519 Weck, and I think the best way again is to just play you a 528 00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:23.320 little bit of some of the things that were recorded from his own mouth. 529 00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:27.960 There's no better way to go, and you could find just go ahead, 530 00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:30.400 go on YouTube, go on whatever you want, and just type in Cyril 531 00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:34.719 Weck JFK, or if you want, take a look at what he had 532 00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:37.159 to say about John Binay Ramsey, take a look at what he had to 533 00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:38.880 say about Michael Jackson, take a look about what he had to say about 534 00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:42.880 Michael Brown, any of that stuff. Go ahead, through it all. 535 00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:46.559 And I didn't agree with him always, and thought to myself that sometimes maybe 536 00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:52.639 Cyril should have stayed out of certain things. But the man went out there 537 00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:58.639 and made his statements. And you know how many of you would tackle a 538 00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:04.960 law and medicine right as a dual discipline. Not too many. Was he 539 00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:10.039 a genius Jimmy's right. He was man, big, big hole in the 540 00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:15.639 JFK research community. With Sirah Weck having passed away on Monday, I believe 541 00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:21.440 they reported anyway, let's give him the final words on this. What happened, 542 00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:27.599 my friends, was simply the assassination of a president, a president who 543 00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:34.800 was so powerful, so charismatic, wealthy connected. There was no way in 544 00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:37.480 the world that he could be defeated at the polls. And I don't speak 545 00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:42.960 as a Democrat. This is not the purpose of this symposium. We know 546 00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:45.639 that there are people to the right and people to the left, and this 547 00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:50.760 is a mixed bag on this whole Kennedy assassination. There's no one particular political 548 00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:53.199 group that lines up one way or another. The point simply is that that 549 00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:58.440 was one kind of politics, five more years of which were to follow with 550 00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:01.599 Jack and eight more years of which were to be followed by Bobby Kennedy. 551 00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:06.119 And if you were not of a mind to see the kinds of changes that 552 00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:08.599 maybe could be anticipated, whether they would have come to fruition or not, 553 00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:13.599 I don't know. You'll hear from people who are more historical scholars than I 554 00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:15.559 whether or not they would have been a warming with Russia, whether it would 555 00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:19.280 have been a day time with Cuba, whether they would have been a withdrawal 556 00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.519 from Vietnam. The point is it could have been reasonably anticipated over those next 557 00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:27.119 thirteen years. And it wasn't a ballgame. You weren't going to sit back 558 00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:29.800 and say, hey, they're up at bat. Wait do we get up 559 00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:31.840 there? Man, You'll see how many runs we score. No way in 560 00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:37.000 the world was that going to be allowed. There was only one way to 561 00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:40.480 bring back the kind of America that you believe should exist, and not the 562 00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:45.960 kind of America not down that windy, treacherous road that Jack Kennedy and his 563 00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:52.280 brother Bobby were leading us. And the execution is what is necessary because there 564 00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:55.440 is no other way. And the assassination of the president was the overthrow of 565 00:45:55.440 --> 00:46:00.159 the government, and my friends the world over what it has been known and 566 00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:06.039 called and labeled everywhere, but in America, it was a coup'tas That's what 567 00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:08.519 happened in America, and that is why we must still find out, if 568 00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:14.199 it takes another forty years what happened on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. 569 00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:45.320 Thank you, I am merely o'celly all of your indeed the effect. 570 00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:50.800 Stick around and stay tuned to theoceelli dot com radio network because the open line 571 00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:53.800 of Friday Night open Mic is coming up next. You can call in and 572 00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:59.800 join into the conversation at three one nine five two seven five zero one six 573 00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:22.199 and that's the way that is. 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