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and James Boobo Fay. Cliff,
dude, I'm kind of delirious right now.

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I haven't slept for almost a week. Oh man, I got a

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guest today. He's a fella out
of a native guy out of Alaska.

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He's new to me, he's new
to you. I don't think you improved

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have heard of him. I found
this guy by accident. Apparently he's been

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on in the last several months.
He's been on a bunch of podcasts,

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but I missed him. But I've
been watching his YouTube channel and it is

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absolutely enthralling. I've been learning about
Sasquatch. He's classical. He just really

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dove into this full steam just two
years ago. And he's collected so many

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stories. And it's not just stories
like they're scary stories because, as we

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all know, the further north you
get, there's we all agree they're much

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more dangerous up north. And well, he really throws it out there I

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had to have my phone and computer
confiscated at night so I could go to

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bed because I was literally up like
twenty two twenty hours a day in a

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delirious state, just listening to captivating
encounter after and encounter after encounter. It's

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just amazing. And so we got
him cone on the day. He's going

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to blow your mind. So your
computer has been confiscated by Kreta, I

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assume, well, just I'm not
allowed to have it at night, so

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she's limiting your screen time. I
needed it, dude, I could.

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I was like, oh, man, I was a fat kid in the

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Hershey factory just with the doors locked
behind him, locked in there, just

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eating chocolate all night. Very wonka
of you. Yeah. Yeah, Well,

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I'm looking forward to speaking to this
guy. Fred is his name.

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We'll get to him in a little
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Man, this is a guy's responsibility
for me not getting any sleep for the

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last week. Well, I've burned
up by YouTube hours and I've had a

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few nightmares, but I've also been
super inspired. He's been on the scene

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for a couple of years, but
I just discovered him on accident, and

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I can't believe I didn't know who
he was. But it's he's a guy

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of the last day. He's a
native guy and he's on a mission about

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Sasquatch. I'll let him explain it. He's very articulate. He can explain

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it better than I can. But
we have Fred Roll from up in up

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there above Bristol Bay out of Dillingham, Alaska, and he's here to blow

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our minds. Hey, guys,
thanks for having me. I appreciate you

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guys bringing me on. I'm a
chug Young Tribal Council member from Bristol Bay,

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raised in the traditional way, you
know, subsistence hunting and fishing and

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all that kind of stuff. When
we were coming up and we were little

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kids, especially our aunties seemed ones
to definitely push the narrative about beware the

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hairy man, little people and everything
of that nature. My older uncles and

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stuff like that would rarely talk about
it, but when my aunties would talk

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about it, it was in hushed
tones. They would call it the hairy

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Man. They would never use the
native word for it because it was viewed

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as a bad home and you would
bring it in on you or you know,

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cause something bad to happen to the
family or have a you know,

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a bum fishing season or a bad
hunting season or something like that. So

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you know, there was a lot
of superstition involved. But we were always

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warned about the whistling in the woods, don't follow strange voices in the woods,

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and it was it wasn't like just
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they explain everything. It was more
as you're living life. Something would come

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up, one of the kids would
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you would hear them catching hell from
aunties, saying, hey, you know,

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the hairy man will snatch you and
eat you, you know, things

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of that nature. And as kids, you know, you can easily chalk

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it up to ah, they're trying
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that's I was a savvy little kid. I was thinking, they just don't

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want us having fun, you know, trying to control this kind of thing.

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Well, nineteen eighty three, I
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trail next to my grandma's house,
which was at the end of the airport

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runway and Dillingham at the time near
Squad Creek, and it was a short

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trail that I had to take less
than two hundred yards to get to where

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I was building this tree fort,
and I had an old brailer up up

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in the trees, but I was
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But as I was walking along,
I was kind of staring at my

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feet, just as little kids do, and something I just got a weird

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feeling, and I stopped and looked
up and about seventy yards away in the

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willows, because I had to cross
this little willow patch to get to the

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area where my fort was, there
was a dark shadow there and the first

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thing that popped in my mind was
my uncle Leo, because he was six

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foot something, and I thought I
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I'm caught. But this thing started
swaying back and forth, and then it

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dawned on me, my uncle is
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They had to be every bit of
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thing was on par with those willows. And it screamed at me, and

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it was a short, real shrill, shrieky scream, but it was obviously

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a noise my uncle couldn't make.
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the hell out of Dodge. That's
when it dawned on me that they weren't

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just stories, you know what I
mean. There was there was a harry

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Man out there, and it's to
be taken serious. Later on that fall,

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we were at Black Bluff, which
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River, so you got Angel Bay
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were coming back from hunting camp because
we'd take a thirty two foot fishing boat

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up river just to use it as
base camp and then take skiss from there

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and rip around and get our moose
and whatnot. But on the stern of

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the boat we had like an a
frame built up to where they could hang

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the moose quarters with the tarp over
it. So on our way back down

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we end up getting caught up on
a gravel bar in that title zone and

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the tide was going out, so
you know, they were trying to figure

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out how to keep the boat from
listing over when the water was gone,

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and you know, things of that
nature. So my one of my cousins

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was like, hey, let me
take the kids. I'll take them sport

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fishing rodden real style and get them
out of your guys's hair while you do

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whatever you gotta do to you know, keep the boat uprighted as the water

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went out or whatever. So as
we hop in the boat, we're backing

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away in us kids we're just chattering
away, just you know, being kids,

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you know, worried about getting our
fishing poles set up and you know

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who's going to catch the biggest fish
type talk, and all of a sudden

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there's a bunch of yelling coming from
the boat and we were, gosh,

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maybe forty feet away from the boat, actively in reverse on this with this

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outboard. He threw it in gear
and we went right back up to the

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boat and they shuffling us into the
cabin right. It all didn't make sense,

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and then we started hearing the screaming. Well, there was a hairy

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man up on the bluff, and
initially it was just screaming, I mean

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loud, and we were inside the
cabin of the boat looking up at this

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thing, and all we could see
was a dark silhouette and we kind of

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thought it was, oh, the
Harryman's screaming, who you know, just

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kids. We didn't realize exactly the
danger until the rocks started being thrown.

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The first few rocks that were being
thrown were hitting the water near us,

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and again we're stuck on a gravel
bar. There was a bit of a

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holdover tied, so we didn't list
at all or anything, but we were

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just grounded out real good, and
this thing was chucking rocks and stuff,

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and it didn't get real bad until
one of those rocks busted through the tarp

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and hit so hard it knocked one
of the moose quarters off of that a

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frame, and that's when they shuffled
us, you know, down inside.

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And then that's when you'd hear the
volley of gunfire. I'll never forget just

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as that rock hit and the quarter
fell onto the stern. We were still

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up in the cabin where we could
look out the window because we were watching.

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We're kids, you know, And
I'll never forget the initial gunfire.

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It was just it sounded like a
war. Well, we watched this thing

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drop and it hopped right back up
and started chucking more rocks, and then

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that's when older cousins shuffled us down
below. And I tell you what,

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it was real eye opening as far
as the actual danger versus the perceived danger,

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if that makes sense. And you
know, over the course of the

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years, you'd see them at a
distance. We're from a culture that doesn't

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chase them. Were our oral history
is that of you don't follow them.

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You know they'll steal you and eat
you. They're not our friends. They've

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always been here. I've never heard
an origin story from my elders. They

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anytime I brought it up like where
they come from. They just would always

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say they've always been here, same
with the little people, you know.

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And it's just you said that you're
not from a culture that chases them.

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Are you aware of any cultures that
do? No? No, honestly no.

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So what I meant by that is
we were we were told the dangers

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of it. So I hear things, you know, since I'm older now

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and stuff, But I've heard of
people saying, oh, they're forest friends

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and this and that, and I
don't see that up here in Alaska,

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you know, I mean, for
for crimeany's sakes. Look at port Lock,

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you know port Chatham that you know
there's of course, it wasn't just

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the hairy Man. From from my
understanding, I talked to some elders,

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one from non Walloch and one from
He had lived in Seward, but his

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family was originally from there. And
what I was told behind the scenes,

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you know, from the natives and
not just the historical narrative, but there

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was prospectors up in the hills back
behind you know, Portlock, and these

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guys during their prospecting, from what
I was told, came across a graveyard

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of these things. So I don't
know what truth there is into that.

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You know, Bob Wood mentioned something
when we were talking about it as separate

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boneyard you know, elsewhere, But
you know, it would kind of make

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sense that that would spark this.
I mean, one of the guys was

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decapitated, thrown in the lagoon,
another guy was crushed with his own equipment,

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and just all sorts of things like
that. But from what I was

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told by the natives, it's only
the guys that desecrated grounds that belonged to

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these creatures, and not necessarily they
were just being bloodthirsty and hunting people,

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but they were basically getting revenge for
lines being crossed, so to speak,

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which is I mean, who knows. You know, I wasn't there,

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and either were the people that I
shared it with me. But I tend

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to I tend to believe the oral
history of things versus necessarily something that was

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whitewashed and written down, so to
speak. Sure, stay tuned for more

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Your your home of Dillingham in that
area that I've never been to that

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area, can you describe the terrain
like is it heavily forested or whatever,

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or is it because I know a
Bobo and matt'smen up to I think Bethel

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With is a little bit north of
there, and I understand that that I

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didn't get a chance to go there. I was, I was somewhere else.

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I was over Fairbanks at the time. But yeah, so I'm kind

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of familiar with that general area.
But what was it like there in Dillingham.

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Well, there's places that are heavily
wooded. You got your marshy areas.

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We got a mixed bag, you
know, we got the mountains,

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we got thick forests as well,
big open marshes and swamps. Yeah,

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it really runs a gambit. You
know, it's not particularly one way or

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another. Wet definitely when you're near
the coast. But when you go up

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the Wood River to Aleknagik, you
open up into the Wood River mountains,

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man, and it's just beautiful.
You got go over to Bear Bay and

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there's you know, these fjord style
mountains jettison out of the water with you

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know, trees on pinnacles and it's
just crystal clear water to the bottom.

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It's just beautiful. It's home of
the world's largest salmon return all five species,

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literally millions and millions of salmon every
year return there, Yeah, Bristol

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bag clof Yeah, very interesting.
So you've seen these things. You've described

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two of the sightings you've had so
far, the kind of but not super

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clear up close or anything like.
How many times have you seen these things

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so far in your life? Seeing
them with put your eyes on them at

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a distance? Gosh, at least
a dozen times, you know, anywhere

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between one hundred yards away and multiple
hundreds of yards and about a dozen times

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within i'd say fifty yards. Do
you think you're seeing the same one or

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is there a group of them around
there? Oh? No, this was

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in vastly different areas. Oh,
okay, gotcha. Geographically speaking, his

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sightings are crazy. He's up tons
of them. He wasn't a bigfoot researcher

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per se. He got into this
more as a public service to Warnfield about

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these things because of the encounters him
and his family and other natives he knows

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have had, and you know of
other people of European descent, but especially

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the native tribes friends observe things that
he doesn't realize exactly how special it is,

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like, you know, like you've
heard a few witnesses say it,

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but he's got like eyewitness accounts of
it, and he's he's had many encounters.

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And how about starting off that you
have I'd read back about twenty years

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ago. Uh, yeah, that
was in September of two thousand and six,

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at the evening of September seventeenth.
Actually it seared in my memory one

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because of all the preparation going up. We were supposed to be going prospecting

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for gold, and the original plan
started a couple of years before then,

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in two thousand and four. But
my elder had to accumulate all the portable,

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lightweight, portable sluice box, and
you know, all the permitting stuff

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through you know, the local Indian
tribe and what not to have permission to

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go to certain lands and whatnot.
But so we ended up going in two

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thousand and six, and we left
the thirteenth from Dillingham, the day after

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my birthday. And it took till
the seventeenth to get up there because my

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elder, he was in his sixties, so traveling by water. As I'm

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sure you guys know how being up
here in Alaska, it's cold. It

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doesn't matter what the ambient temperature is
when you're out on the water, it

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can get cold pretty easily, and
so we had a couple pit stops,

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you know, making it our way
up there and whatnot. But when we

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finally got to the area, my
elder had pre selected a retired, like

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no longer functioning salmon counting tower and
this place was a glorified box for observers

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to basically have a dried in shell
and a place to sleep. And outside

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of it, next to the river
bank is this tower that they would literally

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climb every day and stare down at
the river and count by eye each salmon

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that they saw us went by,
which sounds monotonous as hell if you ask

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me, that would be a horrible
job. But anyway, so this little

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place is eight foot square. There's
really nothing to it, like just nothing

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to it dried in shell. So
when we beached at the river bank,

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there's this six sem foot bank that
we beached up against, and our anchor

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line was about ten footed chain and
about fifty feet or so roughly of rope.

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Because this particular skiff was used for
commercial fishing as well, so it

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had to have a long anchor line
to accommodate the tides and whatnot. Well,

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we drugged the anchor and just jammed
it and crammed it into the tundra,

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so we're basically tethered. So because
the Nuyakuk River it's the largest tributary

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to the New Shigek River by volume, and this is approximately two hundred and

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forty eight river miles from Dillingham,
so we were out there. We had

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two different outboards to get there.
One was a prop drive for the deeper

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channels and then the jet drive was
strictly for the nw ya Cuk because it's

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it's got a lot of big rocks
and it's relatively shallow, so you know,

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we wanted something with the you know, shorter draft or whatever. But

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we were there a couple hours before
sun went down, so me and my

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cousin we were worker bees for the
elder. That's just how it is.

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We unloaded this skiff and you know, part of me wanted to go looking

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for black bear some other stuff,
but it was so close to being dark

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it just wasn't worth it. And
we don't travel on water typically at night

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because it's too dangerous. So we
get inside there and as we were unloading

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and stuff, my elder had started
some salmon chowder or something along those lines,

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and he had it in a big
pot on one of those Coleman stoves.

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Again, everything we had was brand
new just for this trip. We

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were always three peas in a pod
when it came to adventure, you know,

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whether it be hunting baaluoga, walrus, whatever it may be. We

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were always together during these adventures,
you know what I mean. So we

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were I mean his family stuff,
you know. But anyway, he's making

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this the super Steward whatever it was, and we eat and after we're done

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eating, I was it was about
half hour after dark. Maybe suwhere in

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there, and they were playing cribbage
and he was basically given us our marching

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orders for the following day of where
he wanted you know, pay dirt samples

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from, you know, And he
was just just talking out loud, and

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I was. I was standard holding
the shotgun I had just bought. I

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test fired it a couple of times
coming up river, but I noticed it

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was off and it was a Remington
eight seventy. It was the brush stainless

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model. I loved that gun.
I just got it rifled barrel. It

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was going to be my brush gun
for for eternity, you know what I

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mean. I just I love that
thing. Well, I was adjusting that

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rear ghost site. And as we're
doing so, my elders still talking,

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you know, and we're just listening
and I'm just kind of noding along or

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whatever. Well, all of a
sudden, the whole place creaks, just

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like you know, like a stiff
wind was hitting the place. But this

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place was so shanty we would have
known it was windy outside. So when

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it creaked, I looked over where
my cousin was sitting. His back was

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quasi to that window, and from
the top of his shoulder to the top

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of the window, I saw something
dark move and I didn't It was just

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darkness, and it moved, and
he saw the look on my face and

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jumps up and says, hey,
that's not funny because I guess I had

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a shot look on my face.
Well, I said, no, no,

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it's probably a bear. Because we're
on the nuw yea Kuk River.

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On the way up we saw spawn
outs and salmon dead carcass's floating around,

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so we assumed it was a bear. Well, my blood pressure goes up

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a little bit, so forgive me. So I had that shotgun. You

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know, I immediately load that.
He grabs a thirty odd six and we

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had one of those million candlewop power
old old spotlights, you know that took

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the big six volt battery. Well, we we grabbed that, and I

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had my shotgun and I was holding
the spotlight, and the plan was we're

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going to push the door open real
quick and run this bear off. And

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we were half anticipating it to charge
us, but we just wanted to be

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ready. So when I swung the
door open and I started spotlighting to the

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riverbank side first, there was nothing
there, no movement. And as we

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panned to the left facing out this
little door, which this whole place was

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five eighths plywood and two by four
construction. The two windows in the place

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were eighteen by twenty four, eighteen
inches tall twenty four inches wide, and

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they married each other on opposite walls. When we stepped out, we literally

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are one foot out the door,
panning looking for this brown bear that we

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thought. Well, when we pan
off to the left, the tree line

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is approximately fifty yards away, and
as we pan over, all of a

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sudden, there's three sets of eye
shine just outside of the tree line and

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these things. The eye shine was
huge. It was like fence postmarkers.

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Man it was. I couldn't give
a clear description. We knew it was

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a hairy man, but because the
eyes were giving back so much eyeshine,

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that was the main focus when that
light hit them. Now, typically when

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these things are spotlighted in any way, they'll kind of avert their eyes or

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duck behind a tree or something like
that. These things were standing out in

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the open and they didn't appear to
care that they were being spotlighted. But

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so we immediately are right back inside
the door. Now, this place didn't

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have a regular doorknob. It was
a little jay hook in an eyelet that

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kept the door shut right well,
when I stepped inside, I shut that

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I hooked that little jay hook,
and immediately there was like pressure in the

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room. It felt like we had
ear muffs on because when I was talking,

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it sounded like I was talking through
a can or something. It was

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real weird. It was like my
ears hadn't popped from a flight, and

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so even people right next to me
sounded like they were ten feet away.

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Kind of, it was real weird. But that pressure was constant. So

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as I'm talking, I'm telling my
elder, hey, there is eyeshine out

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there. I'm talking. I'm engaging
my cousin who's next to me on my

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left because I had to set that
spotlight down. I had my shotgun off

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handed in my left hand when I
shut that jayhook, And so I'm talking

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and I'm trying to get acknowledgment out
of him of what he saw, because

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I'm starting to freak out at this
point. You know, I'm real animated.

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I'm talking loud, and all of
a sudden, my cousin is under

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that little card table. He was
seized up. He had the rifle barrel

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of that thirty out to six,
holding it kind of like a paddle,

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because when we came in the door, he just kind of set the butt

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stock on the ground and was holding
it by the barrel. And then he

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it was like he got flung under
that table. I mean it was fast

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and it was startling because it just
I mean, he was all of a

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sudden under there, and it looked
like he was having seizure, and just

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the way his whole body was tensed
up. You could see his jaw muscles

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clenched, and he's looking across the
room. But Initially, me and my

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elder looked at each other like what
the hell, And then we looked down

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at him and realized he was looking
across the room, and we both turned

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and the other window. This place
is eight foot square. The window was

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three feet or less from me when
we turned and looked. When I turned

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my head and made eye contact with
this thing, initially it was looking down

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at my cousin, and when my
head turned, it turned its focus onto

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me. Had an ashen gray face, no hair from the bottom of the

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nose around the cheek bones to the
top of the brow a little bit sparse

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on the cheek bone itself heavy heavy
wrinkles, very very heavy wrinkles. Nose

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was flat to the face, broad
nostrils facing down. Its eyes were like

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big black, translucent marbles. The
brow ridge was very heavy, very It

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was weird because initially, when it
looked at me and then it furled its

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brow, I immediately knew what food
felt like. I felt like food.

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There was no mind speaker or anything, but it like it looked at me

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like I got you. Well,
it started moving out of view of the

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window, and just on autopilot,
I shot three times through the wall with

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that shotgun, and again the pressure
in the place was really weird. Because

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anytime you discharge a gun in the
like basically a walk in closet like that

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place was, you know, it'd
be ringing, you know, just me.

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But that wasn't the case. It
was just like a thump, thump,

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thump. Well, when I shot
through the wall, there was immediately

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a very loud scream and simultaneously the
whole place shifted. In remote Alaska,

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you're not allowed to build permanent structures
on state landed. They have to be

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on skids so they could be moved
or whatever. Well, this place,

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I thought it. I thought these
things were going to throw us in the

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river. The way the place shifted. That scream was so loud it reverberated

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through that place. That pot of
stew on that stove, it rang like

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a tuning fork. I mean,
after the scream ended, it dead quiet.

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After that, my elder immediately is
back in this little cubby area.

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It was a fifty style trailer,
little egg looking trailer that had been guivered

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onto the back of this place as
a little bunk area. It had no

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windows. Every windows that used to
be there were all boarded off for it's

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land of the midnight sun. So
it was designed to be a blackout room

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for people to be able to get
sleep in the long, you know,

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daylight hours up here. But so
he's tucked back in there. I'm freaking

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out. It was. It was
shocking because every fiber of my being wanted

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to run, but it was stuck
in my body. It was like a

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serious electrical shock when this thing made
eye contact with me. Again. I

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had seen these things at a distance, and up until that point, I

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would have said, eh, they
make noise, you leave, You're good,

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you know, they just want you
out of there. Is what I

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would have set up before this.
Well. I put one of the little

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rinking in chairs in front of the
door for whatever reason, and I took

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the other one, and I put
the back of the chair into the little

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00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:51.440
entryway to this cubby hole, and
I sat in that chair so I could

407
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:56.160
see both windows and the door.
I had attempted to grab the thirty odd

408
00:29:56.279 --> 00:30:00.000
six, but he had a death
grip on it and he it was loaded.

409
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.759
I didn't want any accidents or anything
like that. I sat there for

410
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:11.240
more than a handful of hours.
My cousin was he had wet himself.

411
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:18.839
He was incoherent in the things he
would say when he did speak, and

412
00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:22.960
those I hate Coleman lanterns, white
guests. You know, they kind of

413
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:27.079
got to pump up because I literally
had to pump this stupid thing, you

414
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:32.680
know, when it would start dying
down or whatever. I sat there the

415
00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:36.839
only way I could stop shaking,
because when I initially was sitting there,

416
00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:41.559
I was shaking so hard. The
chair was damn near dancing, you know,

417
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:47.400
on the floor because I was shaking
so hard. The only reason and

418
00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:52.920
the only way I stopped shaking like
that was I resigned myself to death.

419
00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:57.359
Man, I did not see the
other side of the situation. I didn't.

420
00:30:57.400 --> 00:31:03.039
I didn't think I was gonna make
it. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot

421
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:06.680
and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
We'll be right back after these messages.

422
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:17.640
How long do you think they hung
out after that close observation, Well,

423
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:22.759
the night wasn't over, I can
tell you that much. So after sitting

424
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:27.319
there for more than a handful of
hours, my cousin started coming around.

425
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:32.680
Now, during that time, I
tried engaging my elders several different times.

426
00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:36.400
When I would try to talk to
him, it would be he would bring

427
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:38.599
up the price of salmon. He
would bring up how many pounds of salmon?

428
00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:44.519
And nothing to do with the situation, right, like a denial type

429
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:48.799
of thing. So anyway, once
my cousin who was under the table started

430
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:52.039
coming around, I started reassuring him
immediately. I was like, I shot

431
00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:55.799
it. It ran away, it's
gone, it ran away. So we

432
00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:59.839
finally get him off the floor,
I get the gun from him, and

433
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:05.039
we're getting him changed out and he's
back more back to himself, and I

434
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:07.839
asked him, I was like,
you know, why did you end up

435
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:09.319
under the table? You know,
what the hell's at? Did you see

436
00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:13.440
the eye shine outside? He was
like, I saw the eye shine.

437
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:17.079
I couldn't talk because from his vantage
point off my shoulder when we came inside,

438
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:22.599
he was looking out that same window
and this thing was a little further

439
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:25.359
away from the window, and it
showed its teeth to him, and that's

440
00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:29.920
what freaked him out so bad.
He said they were big block teeth,

441
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:35.039
like big teeth like ours, and
it just it freaked him out so bad.

442
00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:37.160
He didn't even realize he was under
the table until I was helping him

443
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:40.519
from under the table. Once he, you know, came back, so

444
00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:45.519
to speak. So we game plan
getting out of there. It's pitch black.

445
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:51.200
Our only option is that that skiff
down at the river bank, which

446
00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:54.640
there's like maybe twenty feet a trail
which is a straight little trail to the

447
00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:59.319
river bank and it drops down six
seven feet to this little landing where the

448
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:04.359
skiff is tied off at. We're
we're trying to figure out our you know,

449
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:07.680
way out of there or whatever.
And once my cousin was changed,

450
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:13.160
he brings up, hey, let's
let's beam outside and see what we can

451
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:19.079
see before you know, making this
attempt to leave. Well, we beam

452
00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:21.799
out. We had to kill the
Coleman lantern because we were getting a mirrored

453
00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:25.160
effect. It was bad enough with
just the you know, that big spotlight

454
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:29.519
trying to beam out the window.
But anyway, so we're beaming out on

455
00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:32.440
the riverbank side first, and we're
looking and there was nothing. And so

456
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:37.799
we go to the other side the
walleyes shot through, looking through that window

457
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:42.200
because that was the side where the
three sets of eyeshine were initially, and

458
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:45.039
we're beaming that whole area not seeing
anything, not seeing movement in the trees

459
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:51.000
or anything. Well, off the
back corner of this place on the inland

460
00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:55.680
side, like kitty corner off of
it, about ah gosh, maybe forty

461
00:33:55.720 --> 00:34:00.559
fifty feet was an old outhouse that
long been out of use, but it

462
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:07.240
was still standing there. When we
panned the light back to that point behind

463
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:10.119
that outhouse, and that outhouse stood
about eight eight and a half feet tall.

464
00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:15.679
A short distance behind that outhouse was
this very large, hulking figure,

465
00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:22.880
all pitch black. You can make
out the silhouette shape of like you know,

466
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:28.760
shoulders and the head and the arms. But it was absorbing the light.

467
00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:32.000
It wasn't given back, eyeshine,
It wasn't given back anything. It

468
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:37.360
had to have been thirteen fourteen feet
tall, at least five and a half

469
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:43.119
feet wide at the shoulders. And
once it started moving the slightest bit,

470
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:45.760
we were instantly that spotlight was off
and we were all three tucked back in

471
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:52.639
that little cubby area. We had
barrels crossed. It was dead quiet.

472
00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:58.000
We were freaking out. All of
us were talking, but none of us

473
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:00.639
to each other, if that makes
sense. We were all saying different things.

474
00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:07.360
It was sheer chaos. It was
white and nuncle terror. I mean

475
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:10.199
what absorbed light, you know what
I mean? Like that, Its size

476
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:15.599
was one thing, but it absorbed
light, Like what does that anyway?

477
00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:22.679
So it was dead quiet. We're
sitting there like I couldn't even tell you

478
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:27.639
what was going through my mind.
There was so much stuff. Just every

479
00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:30.280
little noise we made it would make
your heart skip a beat, you know,

480
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:35.880
just that kind of thing. Well, my cousin starts talking about this

481
00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:39.239
little nail. We've been kicking this
little sixteen penny nail around this place since

482
00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:44.559
we had gotten there. And he
brings up grabbing that nail and trying to

483
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:45.679
nail the door shut. And I'm
like, whoa, whoa, stop,

484
00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:52.119
Stay with me, don't that nail
ain't going to stop anything, you know,

485
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:57.239
Just let's focus on this escape plan
because it stayed so quiet for so

486
00:35:57.400 --> 00:36:01.880
long. After that, we calmed
down and we start revisiting our plan to

487
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:07.519
get the hell out of there.
Well, as we were talking, we

488
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:12.920
had ReLit the lantern briefly to gather
up AMMO and the important stuff that we

489
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:15.639
thought we'd want to take with us. We shut that lamp off and we

490
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:21.119
were talking again. We didn't want
to be looked in on. But as

491
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:24.280
we're talking again, often the near
distance, it sounded like rotor wash from

492
00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:30.199
a helicopter right this bump dom dump
sound, and we were starting to feel

493
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:32.599
it in the ground. Well,
it was one of these things that had

494
00:36:32.679 --> 00:36:38.320
run by and as soon as it
went past, because you could feel it

495
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:43.079
in the ground, they must have
been staged around, because then there was

496
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:49.320
movement all around us in different directions. You could feel different ones weighed more,

497
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:52.480
some weigh less just by the impact
on the ground. And it was

498
00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:54.519
like I heard a buffalo. It
sounded like, just running around this place,

499
00:36:54.599 --> 00:37:00.599
and they would run around and back
off, then run around again and

500
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:02.719
back off, and it was like
the second time of them doing that.

501
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:07.519
We heard one of them sniffing that
U sniffing the outside of the trailer,

502
00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:12.960
that little fifty style egg shaped trailer
that was attached to the back of this

503
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:15.639
place. And to this day,
I can't even have my dog sniffing by

504
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:19.360
my ears. It's a trigger,
you know, it just freaks me out.

505
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:24.679
But so once they stopped doing that
and it got quiet again, we

506
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:30.960
again we're revisiting our plan to get
the hell out of Dodge. Now that

507
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:35.039
time of year, it's about a
twelve twelve light cycle, and so you

508
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:38.519
know, before too long we're looking
at hopefully some daylight. You know,

509
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:44.920
honestly, we weren't. I wasn't
keeping track of how long they were running

510
00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:49.239
around us, how long we were
quiet before we start talking again. I

511
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:54.239
honestly couldn't tell you, because it
was we were freaked out. So once

512
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:59.880
it's quiet and we start revisiting our
escape plan, it dawns on me that

513
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:04.639
we ran that anchor line over into
the tundra and buried it in the tundra,

514
00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:09.039
And so we're basically tied off,
and no one was volunteering to go

515
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:13.760
over there and grab that frigging anchor. I tell you that much. So

516
00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:15.639
I give my cousin my pocket knife, and I'm like, you're gonna have

517
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:20.320
to cut that bow line. So
our game plan was my cousin would go

518
00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:23.559
out first. He would have my
shotgun. I would have his thirty six,

519
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:29.159
and my elder had a shotgun as
well. But it was one of

520
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:31.599
those big ass wing masters. So
we swapped out the bird shot in that,

521
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:39.039
put in slugs in that, and
we're doing all this. We had

522
00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:44.159
ReLit the lantern, and we're doing
all this in hushed tones. We had

523
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:47.599
the lantern dimmed down as low as
it can go without going out and we're

524
00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:52.440
trying to do all this stuff,
whispering, you know, going over our

525
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:57.719
game plan. It was I still
at this point, I still didn't feel

526
00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:00.800
like we were going to make it. I still felt like this is,

527
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:04.480
you know, this is our last
stand. Basically, I didn't know how

528
00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:08.079
they were gonna kill us, but
I I just I still don't know why

529
00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:12.639
they didn't break the place down and
just smack me against a tree. That's

530
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:16.440
what I kept expecting to happen.
I kept expecting the place to blow apart,

531
00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:20.400
one of these things to snatch me
up, and that'd be the end

532
00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:25.559
of it. But it was like, anyway, so we get our game

533
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:30.239
plan. My cousin's gonna go first. I'm behind him. I got my

534
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:35.760
elder shotgun over my shoulder and my
elder behind me. So our game plan

535
00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:38.119
was we were going to go out
the door in one solid unit, just

536
00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:42.360
moving as quickly as we can.
My cousin would jump down, cut the

537
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:47.119
bow line, fire up the outboard
while I helped our elder down this little

538
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:52.800
embankment because again it's six seven foot
elevation, you know, it's more than

539
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:59.000
a forty five degree angle going down
this little cutbank and you know that time

540
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:00.679
of year you get a lot of
on the grass and stuff, so we're

541
00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:06.880
accounting for all this stuff in our
little escape plan. And it's starting that

542
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:13.360
the daylight is just starting to show
itself, so we're calming down even more.

543
00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:17.039
We're feeling more confident and you know, we will have daylight well as

544
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:22.639
literally as we're stacking up to make
this break for it, all of a

545
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:27.360
sudden, it sounds like someone firing
a pellet gun at the wall the door

546
00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:31.800
side, and that's just the little
chenzy door and the rest of the plywood

547
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:36.719
or whatever. It sounded like a
pellet gun hitting it, justack thack,

548
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:40.079
and it was a slow cadence at
first, and then it sounded like a

549
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:45.679
helstorm just and immediately it freaked us
out and we're right back into that cubby

550
00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:52.159
barrels crossed again, shaking, stammering. Not I mean, it was it

551
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:57.480
was like every time we were just
about to make a break for it,

552
00:40:57.639 --> 00:41:00.159
something else would happen that would scare
the arap out of us, and we

553
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:05.280
would retreat, you know, into
that little cubby area. And at that

554
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:08.679
point I was feeling toyed with It
felt like we were being played with like.

555
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:15.480
It was weird. It's hard to
put into words, but I felt

556
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:17.599
like we're being toyed with. I
mean, I know that's kind of I

557
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:21.880
am putting it into words, but
the feeling is a bit different than that,

558
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:28.119
and I don't have the words to
fully explain it. But it was

559
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:32.039
defeating. Of course, we're sitting
there freaked out, but it's dead quiet.

560
00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:37.760
After the hell that sound stops,
it goes dead quiet again. I

561
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:40.920
mean, I could hear my heart
beat in my ears. It was that

562
00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:45.559
quiet, that deafening silence. But
again, the whole night through, we

563
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:49.719
had that weird pressure on our ears. It was real weird. It was

564
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:53.239
like we're in ear muffs the whole
time. So we sit in there quiet

565
00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:59.320
and it's dead quiet, and it's
getting lighter outside, and so we can

566
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:01.920
easily see out the window to the
tree line. We can see out the

567
00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:07.760
window to the river bank edge.
Our confidence jumps quickly, you know,

568
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:12.239
because we got daylight. Now these
things can't hide in the dark, you

569
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:15.679
know, we can easily see them. So we're looking outside, you know,

570
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:20.360
we noticed the small rocks from the
hailstorm of little stones. They were

571
00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:23.320
throwing little river rocks at the place. That's what sounded like a pellet gun.

572
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:28.679
So we're looking out we see nothing. So we're right back to our

573
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:31.719
game plan and we want to move
like right now, you know. So

574
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:37.079
we all stack up like we're trained
swat team man. We move so fluidly

575
00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:39.920
and so quickly. We were out
the door. My cousin jumped down the

576
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:45.000
bank. I turn and I had
to set the thirty odd six down,

577
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:50.559
and I'm helping my elder around me
on the riverbank side, and I have

578
00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:53.519
to kneel down for him because he
was getting his footing on the river bank

579
00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:55.519
and he was kind of sliding and
stuff, and I'm holding him by his

580
00:42:55.639 --> 00:43:00.760
arm and his elbow. And the
way I was kneeling down, that stupid

581
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:04.239
shotgun over my shoulder was kind of
pushing me forward, you know, it

582
00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:06.639
making me feel like it was gonna, you know, push me off the

583
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:10.519
river bank or whatever. So once
he had his footing, I grabbed the

584
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:15.199
thirty o six and I scooed it
back a couple inches just to clear the

585
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:20.480
buttstock of the ground, and then
I stood up, well maybe four to

586
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:22.760
six inches. I scooed it back
before standing up, and as soon as

587
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:28.400
I got to full height, this
rock a little bigger than a basketball,

588
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:34.320
whizz by my face, which immediately
everything went slow motion. I locked onto

589
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:39.440
that damn rock and it impacted the
river in about three feet of water,

590
00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:45.320
but it impacted so hard it hit
the bottom and made a loud crash sound

591
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:51.119
before the water could close over it. And it's a relatively fast moving water

592
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:57.639
river there. So that happens,
and that weird ear muff feeling was gone.

593
00:43:57.760 --> 00:44:01.880
I could hear everything. You're still
clear again, right, real weird

594
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:06.800
sensation, very weird, but you
know, everything's happening in slow motion.

595
00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:10.719
So immediately after it impacts the water, I swing to the left because that's

596
00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:15.400
the direction the rock came from.
I'm holding that thirty odd six and that

597
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:22.360
big black nothingness is coming out of
the tree line again roughly fifty yards away.

598
00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:27.559
And at this point, man,
my vision is going tunnel vision hard

599
00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:30.719
anyway. So this thing moving out
of the tree line, I put three

600
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:35.760
shots on it, like bam,
bam, bam. I never have been

601
00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:38.639
that efficient with a bolt action,
but I shot this thing three times center

602
00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:45.440
mass and it did nothing. It
stopped moving forward, but it didn't buckle,

603
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:51.079
it didn't flinch. I heard the
impact of the rounds, like you

604
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:54.320
know, it's a thirty odd six
man one hundred and eighty grain soft tip

605
00:44:54.360 --> 00:45:00.679
core lock round that We've killed everything
with that same round, wallrus, moose.

606
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:07.840
It didn't matter nothing, nothing ever
took rounds like that. So I

607
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:13.280
shoot it the three times and immediately
when it stopped moving forward, it was

608
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:16.159
go time. I jumped down.
My cousin didn't cut that bow line,

609
00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:21.360
so he's got the motor running.
My elder's on the edge of the skiff

610
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:22.960
trying to, you know, slowly
work his way in there. I'm yelling,

611
00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:25.280
I'm throw me the knife, Throw
me the knife. He throws it.

612
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:30.480
I put the thirty odd six into
the bow and I cut that line

613
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:36.119
and I'm putting it the chain into
the skiff, and I noticed my shotgun's

614
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:38.400
on the ground, so I didn't
notice when my cousin jumped down. I

615
00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:42.519
don't know if he dropped it or
he just threw it down out of just

616
00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:45.719
jumping in the boat. But my
shotgun was right there on the beach and

617
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:49.880
it's idling real high, and he's
trying to shift, so I'm yelling at

618
00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:53.280
him, idle down, idle down. I shoved my elder in because he

619
00:45:53.480 --> 00:46:00.639
was he was taking way too long
trying to slowly get into this twenty two

620
00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:05.280
foot flat bottom skiff. I shove
him in. He kind of he jarred

621
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:07.559
his wrist. It was bruis later
on, but he was in. What

622
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:12.519
he immediately did was swing around,
sitting on his butt, facing back towards

623
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:15.079
the bow towards me, and my
cousin was already facing towards me, next

624
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:20.760
to the outboard, and I'm getting
that last bit of chain end of the

625
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:23.719
bow, and I'm mentally thinking,
grab the shotgun, you know, just

626
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:28.880
a passing thought. But he idols
down enough and he shifts, and so

627
00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:32.880
I start pushing off. Immediately his
eyes get huge. My elder's eyes gets

628
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:37.800
huge, and they're looking up over
my shoulder, behind me, up on

629
00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:40.480
the river bank. And as I'm
pushing off, I'm looking back over my

630
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:45.519
shoulder and I see up to about
the knee. All I noticed was the

631
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:51.239
shins of this thing standing there.
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with

632
00:46:51.320 --> 00:47:00.559
Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right
back after these messages. It had very

633
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:07.559
very like black like hair, but
the tips were like an auburn reddish brown,

634
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:12.199
kind of like that orangutang kind of
orangish reddish brown, kind of tinged

635
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:15.559
to the tips of them. It
was real the minute things that you know

636
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:22.079
in certain situations where things are just
like little snapshots. It's like a click,

637
00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:24.760
click, click, little snapshots of
stuff. And that's one of the

638
00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:30.639
ones that stand out. And so
he backs up a little ways and sticks

639
00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:34.119
it into gear. And as I'm
in getting into the bow, I got

640
00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:37.400
the I grabbed the thirty out six
again and I opened the bolt and that

641
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:44.280
tunnel vision, man, is just
it's hitting hard. I'm staring down into

642
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:47.719
the bolt. I'm looking for the
two twenty grain rounds. I'm loading up

643
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:52.840
what I had. Mentally, I
was losing it, man, I was

644
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:59.800
freaking out. Well. As I'm
sitting there on my knees looking down into

645
00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:04.960
the bolt, the boat itself is
weaving back and forth. And see I

646
00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:07.679
thought initially he was just trying to
break friction to get up on step.

647
00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:14.920
What I found out many years later
was they were chucking rocks at the outboard

648
00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:20.239
and there was a big dent in
the transom and the cowing was cracked on

649
00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:23.519
the outboard. And I learned that
from my cousin years later. But initially,

650
00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:27.639
when I, you know, when
I had that tunnel vision going on,

651
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:30.800
I thought he was just weaving to
you know, break friction and get

652
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:37.800
up on step. But we continued
gaining speed heading down river, and what

653
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:43.679
I saw off to my left hand
side, I saw a movement. Initially,

654
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:45.280
when that black thing was coming out
of the trees, there was movement

655
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:49.599
on its left and right, but
with that tunnel vision, I couldn't make

656
00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:52.679
out exactly what it was, but
I knew it was more of these things

657
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:57.079
moving. And then again when we
were on the boat heading down river,

658
00:48:57.320 --> 00:49:01.239
I noticed movement off to my left, just briefly in the trees along the

659
00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:07.559
river bank. And then once we
got oh jeez, down to where the

660
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:14.679
nu yek Kuk meets the New Shigek
River the confluence there, that's when I

661
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:19.360
was able to calm down, like
enough to where I felt like I weighed

662
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:23.440
a thousand pounds. The adrenaline was
all gone. I didn't have the energy

663
00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:28.400
to barely lift a hand because of
sitting there all night so tense. My

664
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:34.199
hands ached, they were swelling up
from just just gripping that damn shotgun so

665
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:40.480
hard all night, and stuff It
was rough because it killed our relationship,

666
00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:45.320
you know, knowing in the midst
of sitting there, I kept trying to

667
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:47.559
engage them both, you know,
to help me, you know, help

668
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:52.840
me. I just shot this thing
helped me. And again my elder would

669
00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:57.599
just talk about you know, salmon
prices and whatever else. So I didn't

670
00:49:57.639 --> 00:50:01.440
necessarily have the nicest things to say
in those moments, you know, and

671
00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:08.199
then it just it really it ruined
our relationship, which kind of brings you

672
00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:13.880
to this whole mission here on now, Fred, with your channel is you're

673
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:17.400
trying to help people that have gone
through this and destigmatized telling these stories,

674
00:50:17.440 --> 00:50:22.559
and also to get the word out
about the dangers of these things, right

675
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:25.920
exactly, because you know, I
understand superstition. It started from somewhere for

676
00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:30.519
some reason, and I'm sure it
was for a good reason. However,

677
00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:36.639
it's about public safety. Man.
There's these people hearing things that aren't necessarily

678
00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:40.039
true about these creatures and going out
into remote asket thinking they're forest friends.

679
00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:45.519
That's not true. That that's not
true for up here. Maybe somewhere else

680
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:49.199
it might be so, but not
up here, man. You know.

681
00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:54.639
So one of the reasons I started
the channel was because of those forest friend

682
00:50:54.960 --> 00:51:00.719
stories that they just didn't ring authentic, not to me, and what I've

683
00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:07.079
witnessed myself, and what many many
others have witnessed up here, and it's

684
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:10.880
a different level of aggression. And
I think it's directly tied to, for

685
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:15.440
one, the geographic location of the
place. I mean, it's the last

686
00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:19.119
frontier. We don't have the population
you guys do down in the States,

687
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:24.800
and so you know, the short
season, the extreme environment, very limited

688
00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:30.280
time to gather resources, and a
lot of the conflict happens when us as

689
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:36.000
people are out in these remote areas
gathering resources, hunting, berry picking,

690
00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:42.039
fishing, whatever it may be,
and a lot of the encounters happen in

691
00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:45.199
just those environments, especially in the
fall. There's a lot more encounters in

692
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:51.639
the fall around berry picking time and
moose hunting season or our caribou season.

693
00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:54.239
You know, we get a handful
or so in the winter time, but

694
00:51:54.280 --> 00:52:00.320
they're not as prevalent as in the
fall. You know, anywhere between mid

695
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:07.119
August to early October. It seems
to be like when most of the most

696
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:12.639
aggressive encounters happen. Do you think
that's because the people and the Sasquatches are

697
00:52:12.679 --> 00:52:16.039
both going after the same resources.
Oh yeah, one d percent. And

698
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:20.159
then maybe it's different during the winter, like what are the people what are

699
00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:22.519
the people doing during the winter for
as far as resources that might be different

700
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:27.480
than what the sasquatches are up to. Well, I mean some people ice

701
00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:30.599
fish. But you know, this
is Alaska, it's modernized. We have

702
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:34.480
stores and stuff, you know,
so people will either live off of what

703
00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:37.199
they've already stored in their freezer with
it big caribou meat, moose meat.

704
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:42.440
You know, they have a caribou
hunt in the winter, but it's very

705
00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:45.119
very difficult to make happen, just
because of logistics, you know what I

706
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:49.159
mean. You know, you got
to have a great snow machine. You

707
00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:52.719
got to you know, have the
funds to afford the cast to go do

708
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:54.760
it. You know. So a
lot of times in the winter, the

709
00:52:55.320 --> 00:53:00.320
most people go out as usually recreational
you know, out snow machining trappers,

710
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:04.719
right, yeah, Well there's fur
trappers as well, and you know,

711
00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:08.320
there's quite a few of them that
have come forward sharing their experiences. Those

712
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:13.480
ones creep me out because I understand
the fear they dealt with. Some of

713
00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:17.320
these guys, you know, having
them climbing on the roof. You know

714
00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:22.480
that kind of stuff, man,
Jesus, I you know, for me,

715
00:53:24.119 --> 00:53:28.719
if people just even if they look
at it as entertainment, oh,

716
00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:32.880
these are great stories from Alaska.
Well just maybe they listen to it and

717
00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:37.119
if they go out in the woods
and they hear an eight hundred pound owl,

718
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:39.800
they might think of that encounter I
shared and go, wait a minute,

719
00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:44.639
I remember that guy talking about this. This might be something more dangerous,

720
00:53:44.679 --> 00:53:47.920
and maybe they'll get out of there
before you know, potentially something horrible

721
00:53:47.960 --> 00:53:52.239
happens, because we have five hundred
to two thousand missing people a year up

722
00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:58.639
here, you know. And I'm
not saying they're all sasquatch, That's not

723
00:53:58.679 --> 00:54:04.599
what I'm saying. But there's a
large number of missing people that are totally

724
00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:07.920
unaccounted for. Yeah, this whole
forest friend thing that's always kind of thrown

725
00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:10.480
me for a loop because you know, I mean, I don't I mean,

726
00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:15.719
I suspect those sasquatches could have easily
squashed that little building you were in

727
00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:17.440
and taken you all and eaten you, and you know, we wouldn't be

728
00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:21.599
hearing the story today. They didn't
for whatever reason, and good for you.

729
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:27.320
But yeah, I kind of point
out that there's some evidence that they

730
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:30.800
perhaps aren't, you know, out
to get us, and that you know,

731
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:31.559
if they were out to get us, or be very few of us

732
00:54:31.639 --> 00:54:37.320
left, but they are large,
wild, potentially very dangerous animals. I

733
00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:40.920
never quite got these folks that want
to go out and like hug them,

734
00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:44.840
you know, I just don't get
that, you know. Yeah, and

735
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:49.280
you know, twenty twenty hindsight,
of course, we were lured out of

736
00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:52.840
that place. You know, had
we continued, had we not seen that

737
00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:57.159
three sets of eyeshine, we would
have walked right around the corner into this

738
00:54:57.239 --> 00:55:01.480
thing's arms. So I think the
way things played out, and again this

739
00:55:01.599 --> 00:55:09.320
is speculation, but me firing immediately
I think changed whatever dynamic they had mapped

740
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:15.880
out, because obviously they had something
in mind because they attempted to lure us

741
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:20.079
out, you know, and I
think me firing on him changed that because

742
00:55:20.119 --> 00:55:24.519
everything they did after that, with
the running by the throne of the pebbles,

743
00:55:24.519 --> 00:55:28.320
it almost seemed like they're checking to
see if we were going to shoot

744
00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:31.360
again, especially when they were running
around the place. There was another encounter

745
00:55:31.480 --> 00:55:36.000
that same spot, right the same
spot. Yeah, it was further down

746
00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:40.639
at the larger salmon counting tower.
But it came into that place and attempted

747
00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:45.360
to snatch a guy. I don't
want to throw his name out there without

748
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:50.679
giving his permission, but you know
it tore his jacket. That story you

749
00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:53.280
just told us now is one of
the less intense ones because it came from

750
00:55:53.320 --> 00:55:59.679
his mouth directly first person. You
can feel the tension, but there's way

751
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:05.239
the encounters and that up there that
he's documented that are just it shows how

752
00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:09.239
really aggressive and how gnarly these things
really are and how they really are actively

753
00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:14.559
hunting people. Well, yeah,
because it wasn't until many years later.

754
00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:19.920
I had asked a cousin just when
I was starting the channel if he had

755
00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:22.599
any good hairy man stories, and
the first thing out of his mouth was,

756
00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:25.440
have you ever been up to the
New yeark Cook River? And I

757
00:56:27.239 --> 00:56:30.920
kind of chuckled and said, yeah, I've been there, and he literally

758
00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:38.239
told me about their experience a couple
of different ones and named off, gosh,

759
00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:45.880
a couple handfuls of other locals that
have had almost like that experience isn't

760
00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:51.960
unique on that river, because there
was literally a couple handfuls of people who

761
00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:55.079
have had to fire weapons at these
things to keep them back in that same

762
00:56:55.239 --> 00:57:00.639
area, you know, everywhere from
Harris Creek on up to the Falls to

763
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:04.159
New YORKUK Falls. Well, you
know, why don't why don't we keep

764
00:57:04.199 --> 00:57:07.639
you around for our members section and
you can tell us some of those stories

765
00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:10.639
on our member section. But you
know, before we do end the podcast,

766
00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:14.840
we want to make sure that people
know where to find you and where

767
00:57:14.920 --> 00:57:17.480
they can go listen to more of
your of your stories and your knowledge.

768
00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:22.159
So tell us about your YouTube channel
please. Yeah, it's called Subartic Alaska

769
00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:28.480
Sasquatch on YouTube, of course,
and my website is the identical same name,

770
00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:35.599
all lowercase connected Subartic Alaskasasquatch dot com. My tech guy helped me build

771
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:40.000
an interactive map on the website of
Alaska and it has marker pins from everywhere

772
00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:45.199
that people have shared an experience from
and if you click, if you zoom

773
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:49.760
in and you click on the marker
pins, it's embedded with my YouTube channel.

774
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:52.320
So what it'll do is pull up
a little synopsis of what happened in

775
00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:57.840
the area and you can immediately watch
the video, the encounter video. In

776
00:57:57.840 --> 00:58:01.000
regards to what happened in that area, I can't I can't emphasize enough to

777
00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:07.039
go check out that Subarctic Sasquatch Alaska. Well, I just opened it up

778
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:09.360
and I'm looking at the interactive map, and right away I'm pretty much blown

779
00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:13.800
away. I mean, I'm looking
at almost two hundred reports right here immediately

780
00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:16.679
on the map. The fantastic job
on the website. And I'll tell you

781
00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:22.280
and your stories are very very intense, and then yeah, it is just

782
00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:27.159
fantastic listening to you. Here's cousin
story in the member section, Cliff.

783
00:58:27.199 --> 00:58:30.199
It's mind blowing. Fred doesn't,
you know, kind of He doesn't really,

784
00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:31.880
you know, go around and saying
I need this, I need that.

785
00:58:32.480 --> 00:58:37.239
But he is in the spot,
he has the connections. I implore

786
00:58:37.280 --> 00:58:40.559
anyone who wants to contribute to Sasquatch
Research really get some results. Please go

787
00:58:40.679 --> 00:58:44.880
to Fred's page and donate or supported
by it. I just bought a T

788
00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:50.599
shirt last night. He needs equipment. He's also entirely self funded, so

789
00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:53.239
I want to see him get some
I mean, he's in the places,

790
00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:58.480
he's in the spots, and he
can get at least if he had good

791
00:58:58.519 --> 00:59:01.079
audio recording equip But he can get
audio pretty frequently, and he could actually

792
00:59:01.079 --> 00:59:06.159
get video too if he had the
proper year. Yeah. No, I

793
00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:08.440
appreciate that, Bobo. Yeah,
to help Fred out. And of course

794
00:59:08.639 --> 00:59:13.000
these links are gonna be in the
show notes below for everybody to check out.

795
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:15.679
And I hope you do, man, I hope you do. I'm

796
00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:19.039
very, very impressed with the website. I'll tell you that I was going

797
00:59:19.079 --> 00:59:22.840
to shout out Dave, the tech
guy. He made that website happen.

798
00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:24.719
We gotta give a quick shout out
the squatch bait too, helps you,

799
00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:29.679
helps you out with all he does. He's not very good bait. He

800
00:59:29.719 --> 00:59:31.760
has his own opinions and you know
he can't have that out in the field.

801
00:59:32.360 --> 00:59:37.239
But squatch bait is good. All
right, folks, Please join us

802
00:59:37.239 --> 00:59:40.239
at the Patreon section for our members. Here we're going to hear the story

803
00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:45.039
of Fred's cousin. But just is
what the story you just heard on steroids.

804
00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:51.119
So we appreciate supporting us and hope
you support friend as well. Until

805
00:59:51.159 --> 00:59:59.440
next week, y'all, keep it
squatchy. Thanks for listening to this week's

806
00:59:59.440 --> 01:00:02.280
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807
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808
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809
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810
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