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Hey, Karen, remember back in
the eighties when everyone was talking about how

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some of those rock and roll albums, if you played them backwards, they'd

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reveal hidden messages. Yes, and
I totally tried that or did you?

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Yeah, I did it wrong.
I don't know. It just sounded like

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I scratched the which I ended up
doing so well, apparently that is actually

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a real thing. Oh and today
we have the absolute expert in the field.

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He actually founded h I don't know
whether they call it a foundation or

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a company that actually dives into this
stuff. And we're going to dive into

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just what these messages are, how
they were discovered, what, if anything

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these reverse messages are trying to tell
us. He's even going to share some

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sound bite examples with us that are
absolutely going to below your mind. Wow.

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It's called reverse speech, and this
phenomenon of hidden backward messages and speech

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is what this episode is all about. My name is Will and I'm gar

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and unlike Boulder and Scully, both
want to believe. So we've embarked on

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a journey of discovery. Welcome to
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present classics from the Skeptic Metaphysician Library. Warts and all. Hey everyone,

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welcome back to the Skeptic Metaphysicians.
I'm Will and we are the hosts for

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the show today. I want to
introduce David Oates, who describes reverse speech

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as another form of human communication.
He actually feels that language is by level,

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it's forward and reverse, and as
our brains construct the sounds of speech,

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it actually forms those sounds in such
a way that two messages are delivered

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at the same time, totally without
us realized it. One message forwards,

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which is a conscious mind speaking,
and the other in reverse, which is

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the unconscious mind speaking. David,
I can't wait to dive into these soundbites.

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Welcome to the show. Thank you
very much for having me. That

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was a very good introduction. By
the way we reverse speech actually is,

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I couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you. Kearn I finally nailed

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one. I think no. I
actually rearranged some of this off you wrote

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and put it into my paraphrase.
Well, David, we're super excited.

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I know. I tried to describe
it the best I could, but give

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us a rundown of exactly how you
see reverse speech. Okay, well look,

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okay, you started off for talking
about those backward messages in music back

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in the eighties. That's where most
people heard about it. The fundamentous Christians

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are on the bandwagon, and I
was saying that these are all satanic,

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and you Saitan speaking for the mind
of mind of singers. And of course

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many of us, as you said, got their turntables back in those days,

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and then wound it backwards, ruined
our records, that's right. So

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I got involved in it at that
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I was running half a half for
three kids, and I've been playing their

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records backwards, and said, well, what do you think about all of

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this? So anyway, I went
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out a record and ran it backwards, and yeah, I could hear what

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was there. I was quite intrigued. And you know, the fundamentals claim

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that it was all satanic, but
gee was I was finding a whole bunch

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of stuff that wasn't satanic. Let
me let me play a message in music

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that is not satanic at all.
So this is the Credent's clear water revival

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backwards it says I believe in my
cool and I played it twice there,

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so, you know, so I
started finding these type of messages and I

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going, well, this isn't satanic, what are they talking about? And

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then in eighty seven I started a
serious research project in it because I was

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quite really fascinated by it. And
then I accidentally stumbled across the phenomenon normal

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human speech, and purely by a
mistake, and that sort of put a

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whole different twist on it altogether.
You know, it's sort of one thing

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to play records back and say,
oh yeah, listen, that sounds cool.

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That sounds cool, but it's something
here in speech it's like, oh

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wow, jeez. This puts a
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And so I started diving into speech
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every twenty or thirty seconds of speech, and I was I was stunned,

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and I was sure that had to
be some work on it somewhere. So

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I went to my local This was
for the days of the internet, of

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course. I went to my local
library look through psychology and linguistic books,

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and there was no mention of this
phenomenon. Anywhere and sorry except for a

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couple of fundamentals claiming it was all
the devil's work, and those, of

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course you can find them anywhere.
So it just sort of dawned on me.

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I had a whole new sort of
phenomenon on my hand that no one

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had ever discovered before. Let me
play you an example in normal everyday speech.

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Okay, so this is just from
a casual room conversation. It's a

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run it forwards. This is just
one of many, many lifetimes where we

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are here to develop the soul basically, and when that is achieved, the

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soul will ascend. I can play
a small clip backwards and you're hearing say,

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yeah, I love each day,
I love you to day, and

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once more, sah, let's play. It gives you goosebumps. Yeah it

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does. It's so clear. I
thought it would be like it kind of

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kind of sounds like it, you
know, And that was the thing about

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it. When I heard him on
the other show, I was amazed,

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like, these are absolutely clear message. And he's got samples of presidential speeches

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and all kinds of things that actually
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is giving to us now David,
you mentioned you stumbled on these things.

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How does someone go about stumbling,
because Karen tried and she ruined her records

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crash. Well, I actually how
I stumbled across it was I actually got

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a track of already a broadcast.
I was looking for some songs from the

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twenties and thirties, you know,
to see if I could find it back

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there. And I was playing this
whole thing backwards. And you know,

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this is the very first one I
found, a famous speech and I plied

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this track forwards. I recognize that
because we all know those famous words,

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and the backwards a whole different message. Man will space walk. So that's

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the first one I found in speech, and so that's how I accidentally stumbled

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across it, you know. And
then I started running speech backwards and I

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wrote my theory. I came up
with a name reverse speech in April of

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eighty seven, and I wrote my
theory, which you so eloquently explained,

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that language is bi level forwards as
well as backwards. This is not a

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spiritual or a Celtic phenomenon. It's
not demons, it's not angels, it's

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not ets. I mean, I've
heard all of them over the years.

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You know, it just simply is
a natural form of language, just just

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as we just as body language expresses
our feelings and who we really are,

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well, reverse speech does that too. It enabled us to see who we

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are on the deepest level. Do
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other on that level too? So? Oh yeah, sure hearing it?

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Yeah, I found entire conversations play
backwards. You know where you're here.

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You'll get to you know, I
would like a cup of coffee or what?

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What would you like to struggle with
it? Yes? Please not quite

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now you did not let me play
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bit longer to play. But let
me play you a reversal. That is

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obviously a question, whereas this obviously
request here it is Okay, this is

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a reporter, another report. This
is a man talking to a reporter who

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suspected of sending his wife a threatening
letter. Okay, i'll play the swords.

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Well, she says, it was
in your handwriting. Well, then

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she should produce that letter, and
let's let's have the letter. Yes,

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do you want to see it?
Yes? Okay, so she says,

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do you want to see it?
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to see it? Do you want
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I want to see that letter?
That clear? Now, what's this?

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I'll play the whole track for us, listen to this. Well, she

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says it was in your handwriting.
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and let's let's have a letter.
This is where the reversal occurs,

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and then she says, do you
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to his reverse message, I want
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want to see it? And that
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know, you might be just about
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would you like a couple of coffee
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thinking that, And many cases we
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other hidden part of conversation that we
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we're hearing these reverse messages each giving
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those messages consciously without even realizing that
we're doing that. Exactly correct. It

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gives a scientific explanation to what we
think is intuition or that hidden knowing this

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is happening through the second form of
human communication. Wow, wow, I

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see you guys, got it.
Look, I think it's amazing discovery.

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It's a revolutionary discovery. Once it's
accepted, it's going to change society's approach

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to us so many different things.
I mean, we're going to have to

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be honest for the first time ever, and that's going to be tough.

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I'll tell you. Do you have
any examples of where someone's saying something and

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then you plant in reverse and they're
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Karen, show me the good stuff, and even all right, all right,

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look, okay, look, I'm
not making any political statements. Okay,

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I'm just playing examples of reverse speech. Here's Hillary Clipton on the campaign

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trail. And you know what,
it also matters when he makes fun of

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people with disabilities, calls women pigs, and she says, and I'll scam

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you, and I'll scam you and
I'll scam you. Hice n't clear.

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I'm sure you'd agree. And let's
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Let's do Trump as well, for
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one I'm Trump I'm looking for.
I don't know this one. Okay,

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here's Trump talking about Mexico is going
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difference. I want to get the
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a year and a half until I
make my deal with Mexico and we probably

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will have to deal san But what
Mexico has been so nice, but he

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says backwards, they will not deal
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Okay, so it was nine when
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for the wall. He knows,
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to do that. And of course, as we know, Mexico did not

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pay for the wall. So the
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So you heard it here. Trump
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for the wall. Fainly it's revealed. So do you think the person has

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to be like thinking this other thing
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he maybe subconsciously he knew they were
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thought that they might. Yeah.
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people are aware of having those thoughts
at the time of speaking. Yes,

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so it can reveal unconscious thoughts.
I'm sorry, unconscious thoughts. But that's

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only like, is maybe twenty percent
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are coming from the unconscious. We're
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feeling. And that's where the real
scary thing about reverse speech can come out.

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I mean you'll start to get personality
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consciously are not aware of, and
then it gets quite threatening. I was

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working with a client the other day. This is how I make my living.

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I use reverse speech in therapy.
I've got quite an active therapy in

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practice. And I was working with
a client the other day and she had

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reversals. Said, I am a
narcissist and I found out. I going,

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oh my god, I got a
play of this. I played a

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t and she went into immediate denial. But a couple of weeks later we

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had another session and she said,
you know what, I've been thinking about

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that, and I can see those
tendencies in me. Yeah. It can

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reveal parts of us that we don't
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to see. So police could use
this for interrogations. Oh sure, sure.

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I worked with a police on not
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dozen. Let me play you an
example that illustrates this. This is this

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is the Scott Peterson if you can
remember the case. Back in the early

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two thousand, Scott Peterson was accused
of murdering his wife, who went missing,

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and he was subsequently found guilty.
Here he is before the trial being

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interviewed by a reporter who says,
did you murder your wife? Did you

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murder your wife? No? No, So he's denying it. No,

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no, I did not, running
backwards and he says, neck, I

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hit hard, and when they found
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yeah, I hit a hard on
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So the use of place in terrogaction
work very very exciting. Okay,

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So I worked with an Australian place
actually liked where the murder weapon was,

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and the reverse was it's in the
cellar, and the place got a search

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war and right of the house and
found it hidden in the cellar. Wow.

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Okay, so you look a little
bit stunned. But here's here's where

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where my skeptical mind comes in,
right, because yes, they all sound

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fairly distinct. I mean I heard
everything that you said, that they said

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backwards, I heard it. I
certainly did. But could this not just

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be straight coincidence that the gibberish kind
of arranges itself into a rate of speech

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that could perhaps have could we could
read something into it? I mean,

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there's a knife was in the cellar. Well, but there's hundreds of thousands

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of hours of speeches. You're bound
to run into a couple that that will

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inevitably say something backwards. Now,
yeah, look, that's a very common

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criticism, ironically when I first went
public, the skeptic where well, these

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things don't exist. We're just imagining
it. Now at least saying that they

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exist. We can hear it.
So that's good. But let's look at

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coincidence. I mean, what are
the odds of running and tape backwards and

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twenty or thirty seconds finding a grammatly
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dialogue? I mean, that's the
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interview is stunning. Here, let
me play you. Let me play you

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an example that is so stunning.
There's no way this can be coincidence.

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Let me play this this. This
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Hillary clinton theme emails. Okay,
so we'll run it forwards. When he

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gave up that email thing. He
said, here, Hillary, and you

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know what that was orchestrated by the
Democratic Party. Okay, so two words

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significant. He says Hillary and email. We run up backwards and he says,

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Hillary, let's see this email.
So one of the odds of hearing

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Hillary and email both forwards and backwards
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to the Fords. You tell me, I'm sure it's astronomical. And I

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will say that the fact that,
like for example, the state of Oregon

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is starting to use it in criminal
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sight unseen. They correlate DNA evidence
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So there is something, for sure, something there. It just blows

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your mind when you think about the
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speaking and somehow subconsciously these messages are
coming out. So maybe all those religious

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people back in the eighties were right. Maybe kiss was the knights in service

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of Satan. I have no comment
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Some things you don't want to hear. There is so much more to dive

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into with the reverse speech, including
examples of premonitions discovered in backwards speeches,

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as well as what it sounds like
when a baby's speech is reversed. You

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don't want to miss those. I
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more amazing conversation on the skeptic metaphysicians. And now back to the skeptic metaphysicians.

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How can you find these messages?
I mean we heard early on that

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Karen ruined her record collection trying to
find these things going backwards. Do you

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just spend your days with records and
playing them backwards? Or do you have

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a machine? How does it work? Well? We have software now that

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finds that we have video software too, which is fantastic to actually see the

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video clips run backwards and the lips
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stunning to see. Anyway, now
I forgot the question, just how do

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you how do you? Right?
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I did modify Cassett players. You
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up, modify it and to play
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control. It was very very amaterition
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we've had software. It's available from
our website where you just go in and

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download the software. It'll play the
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variable speeds. We also have video
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adds a whole new dimension to the
phenomenon. When you see when you actually

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see the lip movement's mouth out,
the reversal, and the body language seeing

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what's happening at the same time,
it's stunning. It takes your breath away,

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I can only imagine. So you're
seeing that these software pieces of software

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are on your site, people can
download it and actually try it for themselves.

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Correct, Yes, go to my
site at reverse speech dot com.

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Also, while I'm advertising my site, I may management decision last week to

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give all of my ten reverse Speech
books away for free in PDA format.

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So if you go to my site
and go to the product sections of the

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page, you can get all ten
of my books. That's fantastic. Yeah,

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we're going to put a link a
direct link in our show notes for

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you, so if you're interested in
his books or the software, you can

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go directly to our website. Skepticmantaposition
dot com and go to his episode page

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and you'll see the link directly lead
in there. But we're not going to

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let you off quite so easily.
I understand that this reverse speech isn't just

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in the English language too, write
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far, we've looked at three different
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you can get reversals in both languages. Sometimes a sentence will start out in

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one day, we'll just switch halfway
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is if it's a natural form of
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all languages. But we've only looked
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know what to tell you. It's
such an amazing, incredible, fantastic phenomenon.

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You know, I've been doing it
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as much today as when I first
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verbeat and repeat what someone is saying, like the teaps that you just plead

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of Hillary Clinton, for example,
or Trump, if I were to see

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the exact same thing that she said
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speech, would I see the scene
several ways to answer that question, We've

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obviously tried that many times. If
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intonation exactly the same way he said
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like in both of you two said
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as we all do in conversation,
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on one but not the other.
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unique, intricate sounds of speech that
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two people can say the same sentence
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can get something close. Yeah,
and you said you use this in therapy.

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So would this be a good or
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one. What did he really mean? That is not chidding, but is

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he really now? Yeah, I
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was. I was a therapist before
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and so it was sort of very
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into taken into that area. So
excuse my cat here, But yeah,

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I've got a very busy practice.
You know, I'm currently working with about

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twenty five clients right right now,
and I work with all sorts of issues

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from oh gee, where working with
a young man now with autism and getting

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some fantastic results with him. See, reversals will tell us exactly what's caused

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it and in many cases tell us
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we just put my cat down for
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example in therapy that shows you how
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The one I'm looking for is,
well, where is it? Where

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is it? Here? It is? This is the one one with money

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problems and she's talking to me about
her money issues. She and I need

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to work this issue out. But
it started to bring up all my money

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fears and stuff. And the thing
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sourcing fear again, I'm gonna go
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grief. So the reversal's telling us
exactly what we need to do to work

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with her money problems, work on
her grief. Now, usually regular therapy,

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it might have taken several sessions to
get to the fact that she had

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grief issues that was causing her money
problems. But reverse fits can tell me

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in just one simple recording, So
there's no way to hide this reverse speech

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then, right, Like, it's
scary, the scary thing that we're broadcasting

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our innermost thoughts to people without realizing
it as we're talking. So it makes

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me not want to say anything.
Karen take over the show. I'm thinking

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about Alexa in the living room,
listening to the conversations. Who knows what

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she's doing. Well, until we
get a lot more analysts out there than

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just me and the few handful of
train you're all pretty safe. It's the

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one that it's the one. What's
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This thank you? Is the immense
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mean, for half an hour political
speech, I'll be spending three or four

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hours analyzing the whole tape. So
it's a very time intensive process. You've

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got to be really patient and dedicated, and you know, I think we

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could probably get speech record training speech
recognition to find it for us. We

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approached Microsoft at one stage to see
if they were interested in going into the

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project with us, but they weren't. So currently it's just a lack of

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funds. That's because Bill Gates doesn't
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You right, Well, I'm absolutely
floored. Could this be? I

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know a lot of people that listen
to the show are probably going to think,

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well, that's that's your higher self
sending messages. It is, Yeah,

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it is, it is. Yeah, it digitaligh self. Well it's

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a look okay, look I say
it's the voice of the unconscious, but

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really it's the voice of the spirit
talking to us. Let me let me

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play one. Have I got time
for one more reversal? Yeah? Absolutely,

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we love these? Please me?
All right? This is this is

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obviously spirit talking. I've got a
very persistent chat. He doesn't want to

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go off my table. All right, So here's analyst talking to his tape

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player. He's right about my money
problems. Does it further for us to

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put more energy and money and effort
backwards? He says, you're frightened?

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Lean on me, right, lean
on me? Wowow, I think that's

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backwards. That might sir it okay, yeah, that might be one of

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the clearest ones you please so far. Yeah, well, it's the spirit

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talking to him saying, look,
I know you're frightened, I know you're

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upset. Just lean on me.
And there is so many messages from spirit

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in reverse speech. When I work
with clients, you know, I'll find

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a half a dozen direct messages from
spirit to the conscious mind saying do this,

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do that. I mean, look, we all know that still small

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voices within. We hear it ourselves
sometimes, you know, we can feel

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it. And what I'm saying is
nothing new. I'm not saying anything we

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don't already know. We know that
voice is there. But what I am

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saying is now we can hear it
consciously. We can actually tap into that

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inner spiritual self. And wow,
it's just incredible. That's a really good

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point because my next question was going
to be, well, how would you

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if this mechanism is there, what's
the use of it? If we you

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and I just sitting here talking,
we're not consciously aware of the messages that

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we're giving and receiving in reverse speech, So what's the point of it?

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But I guess in some subconscious way
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yeah, that's sort of a philosophical
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I think as human beings, we
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our true innate nature is to be
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we have learned to be dishonest,
and so the body has many mechanisms to

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correct that. Body language, reverse
speech, the other gee. Whereas you

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can use in so many areas of
therapy, why is a person really got

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this problems and issues? Police work? I have business clients I've talked to

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me before they're about to embark on
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in A self says about it a
lot. The list is endless. I

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can get into advertise and why do
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contrary to the advert advertisements and its
inter ded job. Karen and I do

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work in television. So from now
on, any of our average that we

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put out there, we're going to
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seeing the wrong messages out there.
Secondly, I propose that anyone running for

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office has to go through this process
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Anywhere, because I bui things they
played were incredible. And that's just

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a handful I've got. I've got
forty years at work in my computer.

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I've got millions of reversals. I
mean, I've looked at everything from JFK

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to the Moonwalk to nine one one
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all the all the big conspiracy theories
over the years, all of my computer

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and all the answers. Then is
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really shocked. You were surprised.
You that's just really stuck in your mind.

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to play you now put me a
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Quite shocking. Actually, oh no, not shocking. I'm stunning.

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This is a j f K is
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to this, the small one.
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nation has always been committed and of
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around the world. Okay, and
backwards, he says, head is hitting

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the car. Yeah, yeah,
and again. Oh what I know,

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freaky. I just got shivers down
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death. He had a premonition of
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and I'm going to feel Yeah,
but that reversal sent me off in a

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whole new field. I go.
When I found that, I oh my

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god, I can't believe that.
It was shocking. We're not shocked.

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Down's stunning stunning. I think it's
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shocked. I mean that is wow. Holy smokes. When you're analyzing these,

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do you have to slow them down? Yeah? Well you're listening to

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them in reverse, and that's why
it takes a while. Yeah, reversals

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run faster than normal human speech,
and they're about twenty percent faster. That's

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because the syllable count nearly always increases. If you've got three syllable fours,

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you'll have five or six backwards.
There's reasons for that, which I don't

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have time to get into. So
so it gives the So the reverse will

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actually run faster. I'd listen at
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New students will listen at seventy to
seventy five percent of normal speed. So

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yeah, yeah, so I always
slow it down. So where do you

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go from here? You've discovered these
this reverse speech, and you're starting to

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implement it with law enforcement agencies and
things like that. But where do you

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hope it goes from here? Oh? Dear me, boy. Look,

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I think it's such significant and of
such importance that its existence impacts everything.

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It's revolutionary. It's a whole new
paradigm shift once it's accepted. Look,

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you know, my prime emphasis at
the last forty years has to been to

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get it accepted. It's been a
tough road. I had trouble with Well,

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see, I'm not an academic.
You know, I only got through

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high school and that's about it.
So I don't have the PhD after my

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name. So that's unfortunately shut me
off from a lot of academics, which

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is a shame. Monus University in
Australia did a test, did test on

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it twenty years ago and they found
that versals did exist, but they did

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no further testing, which I was
very disappointed about. I've lectured to the

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FBI and the CIA. If actually, if you google reverse speech CIA,

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you'll see my work up on the
sea A website. So I've taken to

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the government. I've taken the business
where is it almost needs to have a

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ground swell movement, I think to
get it accepted. I don't think the

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authorities wanted because it's the red herring. I mean, it's a huge red

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hearring to be great for like interviewing
teachers or people that work with children,

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interview just to make sure that they're
not sketchy, all right, But there's

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no guarantees right that that the reverse
speech message will come out when you do

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things like that, So I wonder
that's the reason you can't really rely on

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getting the messages. So maybe it's
not as Yeah, look, they're not

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always there. It really depends on
the type of conversation. In a very

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lax, casual conversation, you get
a whole lot of them. But if

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someone's very left brain and structured in
there thinking, they'll drop off quite substantially.

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Yeah, And there is no guarantee
you'll find them right at the point

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you want it right right right,
And we're no really conspiracy theory show.

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But one might say that maybe the
powers that be don't want it out there

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because they're afraid of what it might
reveal about what they are thinking. Well,

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I have my own personal beliefs on
that, which should fall along the

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lines of what you're saying. But
if I start talking about them, I'll

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sound like another internet not so they
will leave it quiet, totally understand and

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respect your wishes. We also towe
that line very carefully ourselves. Well,

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I mean, what you're doing is
absolutely fascinating and astounding. You're giving away

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your books, alternate your books on
your site. We're going to add those

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links to the show notes. As
we mentioned before, we'll add all the

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links to people to get hold of
you. But if someone wanted to get

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involved with the reverse speech, are
you currently taking on people? I am

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yeah. I have classes every year. My next class intakers in July,

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so that's like six weeks away.
There's a whole age on my site all

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about the training programs. So yes, I am active actively right at this

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current time looking for new students to
take my July class. So yes,

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and then once they tigue your class, still be able to discover these and

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on their own and use the software
to find Yes. Yes, yes,

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that's the whole gourpense class, to
teach people how to find it, to

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recognize what is imagination, to find
what is genuine. It's it's a bit

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of a difficult skill to teach.
But but I get on there, so

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I would imagine that would be hard. Am I really hearing this? Or

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is that? Am I just right? It's deciphering that. And yet I

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will see that some of the clips
that he's played are absolutely distinct. There's

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no mistique in it. I don't
think that's what I'm say. That's what

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I tell the skeptics. These are
clear. I'm not having You're not having

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to sort of really try and say, yeah, I can sort of hear

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that. You know, You're just
like, these are writ in your face.

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They all are. They're all right
in your face. They're all stunningly

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clear. Yeah, well, I
think we have we're running out of time,

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but I'm curious, do you have
one more that you absolutely you've got

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to share with us before the show
ends? All right, let me play

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you one of my favorite reversals of
old time. This is this is my

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own daughter and she's in a bathtub
and she's trying to pick up a cup.

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She can't pick it up, so
she reaches out to me for help.

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This is force she can speak forwards. She says, David, which

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is my name, David, help
me? You know that one? Oh

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my god, that. Wow,
that's sounded like it was it. Well,

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it's in a bathroom and it's echoing, so it gives that sort of

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eerie yes, oh my god.
Wow. So this is a girl that

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didn't know how to speak yet,
and yet reverse messages was very distinct where

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she said, David help, Well, part of my theory is that children

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to speak backwards before the two forwards. I've got kids speaking in reverse single

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words at four months of age.
Then they get into sentences around about twelve

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months of age. But that's a
whole other show. David, this has

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been absolutely wonderful. Thank you so
much for coming on and sharing of your

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expertise with our audience. I'm going
to download your software and I'm gonna Karen,

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I know, get ready, your
speech is here. I'm going to

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go back. I'm gonna go back
to all of our shows and I'm going

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to play every single one of them. I'm gonna secrets. I don't want

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you to hear what I say,
but I'm going to hear what you say

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all the time. Well, David, thanks so much for coming on me.

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I appreciate and best of luck for
you to you in the future.

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All right, but I can say, and a huge thank you to you.

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together. Well, that's all for
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next episode of The Skeptic Metaphysician.
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